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Republicans Vow To Cut Back Federal Spending To Reduce $1.3 Trillion Deficit

October 25, 2010 by  

Republicans vow to cut back Federal spending to reduce $1.3 trillion deficitPresident Barack Obama's administration recently announced that the Federal deficit hit a near-record $1.3 trillion during the 2010 fiscal year.

The government had to borrow 37 cents out of every dollar it spent, according to media reports. While the deficit was $122 billion less than last year's $1.43 trillion record setback, Republicans are hoping the deficit totals help their party gain power in Congress in November's midterm elections.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and acting White House budget director Jeffrey Zients defended the Obama administration in a written statement, claiming that the recession, high unemployment and the financial crisis inherited from George W. Bush's tenure contributed to the deficit.

"These abrupt and shocking changes in our fiscal situation cannot be dismissed as 'inherited' problems when the tally of the majority's spending spree has climbed into the trillions," Senator Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) told The Associated Press.

The Congressional Budget Office reported earlier this month that Federal spending increased by 9 percent in 2010. Food stamp payments rose 27 percent while unemployment benefits went up 34 percent.

According to The Wall Street Journal, Republican candidates for Congress have proposed a variety of ideas to reduce the deficit, including a lower Federal minimum wage and less spending on education.

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  • s c

    First, The Obummer’s economic boy toy, Geithner, is a liar. Anyone who believes the overly aromatic bilge put out by this administration is a fool of his or her own making.
    Second, Republicans who make political vows owe it to America to sign a contract stating that if they don’t ‘deliver’ in one year or less, they are to be taken to the nearest firing squad and immediately “dispatched.”
    THE RNC is posturing, and they are trying their best to delay the inevitable. Believe those weasels at your own risk. As for this administration, it’s the other side of the same coin, and that coin needs to be melted down.

    • jamie

      S C do you really think you can get out of a mess this large in 1 year?? It took years of mismanagement to get this country to this point. Dan AZ its Reagan…not Regan…and i agree his presidency was forgetable…except for the debt he added to this country and the depression his tax cuts put this country into…just like the Bush tax cuts…which we can see haven’t added any jobs over the past 9 years. You all keep saying Obama shouldn’t blame anyone else while you blame Obama…kind of ironic don’t you think.

      • Bill sanders

        You are misinformed. Reagan’s and Bush’s tax cut rates both INCREASED revenues to the Federal Treasury dramatically. If spending would have been restrained accordingly, we were be on sound financial footing today. Reagan had to deal with a Democratic Congress and Bush did too during the last two years of his presidency. Prior to that time, the economy was booming, but I’m quite sure a koolaid drinker like you would claim this to be a mere coincidence, right?

        • jamie

          Both the Reagon and Bush tax cuts led to recessions Bill. Whose fault was it when Bush and the GOP congress and senate voted to raise the debt ceiling in 2003 and 2006?? I guess thats Obama’s fault as well. You people would rather lie than admit the truth. Job’s under Bush we’re negative for the full 8 years even with the so called job creating TAX cuts. The only thing that got cut was the American people…cut free from there jobs.

          • Craig

            Tax cuts lead to recession? LOL….go figure, another liberal economics illiterate. Just because Reagan or Bush had tax cuts and in both those presidency there were recessions, does not mean the tax cuts caused them. You clearly have a remedial understanding of cause and effect.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Jamie,
            By all indications It’s your fault !

          • coal miner

            jamie,

            Reagan went from a “B” movie career to an “A” career as a political salesman for corporate wealth and control of the government. In the turbulent social climate of the ’60s, his wealthy backers (who regarded him as a prize race horse for a right-wing coup for the super rich and corporate welfare) watched as Reagan won the governorship and masterfully was guided in the use of wedge issues such as “Guns and God” to lure the emerging displaced middle class into voting Republican.

      • http://naver samurai

        Here I’m posting and there’s another lib drunk on kool aid. Bush, baaaa! Reagan, baaaaa! Tax cuts, baaaaa! Deficit because of tax cuts, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can you sheeple find somewhere else to go and try to sell your crap? Believe me, we’re not buying it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • jamie

          Yea you GOP’ers don’t care for the truth very much…the truth doesn’t make you look as good as you want to look so you try to change it and hope no one will catch it…sad Samuria the truth is the truth…and the Repub don’t look to good when the truth is spoken.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Jamie… Do you live under a rock? You don’t even have to have hard core evidence to see what has happened in the last 10 years. You just need to be alive, breathing, and aware, which the latter you seem to lack. You can spin it all you want, but the worse of the worse has happened in the past 4 years, 2 of which was under a Democratic Congress/ and Bush, the second half was all the Dems in power with the mantra of hope and change! I am not even going to defend any of the GOP who have lost their common sense along with their dignity by not voting the will of the people and especially those who no longer have morals, ethics, or standards. Most the liberals have already lost these traits. November 2nd is going to be a rude awakening for many. The American public has had enough and you can go back under your rock and pretend everything is okay, since you can’t seem to sort out fictional from nonfictional!

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Jamie, I’ll repeat, by all indications it’s your fault !

          • http://naver samurai

            Well, your false messiah Obama bin Laden doesn’t look too good either, moron! You tell me when he has said said the truth and I’ll sell you some swampland in sunny Florida. Complete with gators! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • J.Michael

        Jamie, you’re wasting your breathe. most of these retards just get on here to rant, not solve or make sense. they are totally pathetic. some people on here actually do pay attention, but they get blamed for “drinking the koolaid”. the retards listen to rush limburger. psychoman beck and fox airheads. they are the real problem with America.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          J. Michael… If Conservatives are the “real problem” in America, what is your contribution that makes you so special and places you above the ‘real problems’?

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          J. Michael It’s also your fault.

        • http://naver samurai

          I strongly suggest you look in the mirror and self evaluate yourself on that comment. You lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists are just po’d because the balance of power will shift from the extreme left to a more “right” direction next month. You all don’t really know anything about this country and have been trying to destroy it from the inside out for many years now and it’s time we took this country back. Back to the ways of our founding fathers. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • eddie47d

        There are allot of misspoken statements about who is to blame.We have a fairly good political system yet all they do is poke each other in the eye and claim victory.Either the business community steps up and creates jobs then nothing will change. No matter who is in power.That’s been a given for 12 years or more. The good ship USA is slowly sinking and all that the politicians do is buy more corks to plug the holes.

        • a progressive nightmare

          You sure this is eddie47d? For once, I agree with you. Get the government out of OUR business and let FREE AMERICA ROLL baby.

    • slickporsche

      I should be a process of ridding ourselves of the worst ememy first, and then the next.However the republican party can be a good party again if taken over by average “Joe America”. We have several problems, and that would be career politicians/attorney’s,outside interest,from other groups like the unions, and then there is the foreign money that shapes our elections. None should be allowed. I also think from experience, that any laws,or bills that were passed will only be modified but never repealed. I do think we are being lied to again.

  • Dan Az

    Two years later and he still blames Bush and after 4 yrs is he still going to blame Bush or will it be Regan? Does he really think blaming others for his mistakes will make it better? And how can a tax cheat that cant even use turbo tax think that he can manage this countries economy when he cant even balance his own check book.Know worry blame it on someone else they wont notice. What a bunch of morons.

    • hflashman

      Reagan gave us record deficits and three recessions. Bush I tamered down on the size of deficits, and two recesions. Clinton had one recession…and gave us a surplus. Bush II wrecked the economy, wrecked our national security, gave us record deficits, auto and financial industries on the brink of shut down, and damn near tok us into a Depression. (not to mention TARP I…the greatest transfer of wealth in history)

      Obama began with an economy spiraling down, 800,000 a month in private industry job losses, and mired in two wars. In less than two years, we have gains in private sector jobs instead of 800K/month losses, the economy is coming back, our auto industry is back solid, got back most of the TARP I money, made money on TARP II, revamped the financial industry, ended one war and successfully prosecuting the other, started the long road to real health care reform, began energy policy reform and, in essence, is bringing us back fom the ruination of Bush II.

      Conservatives and the wacked so much want everyone to forget Bush II…we will suffer because of that monster for decades. True patriots and people who love this nation don’t want us to forget Bush II. And we shouldn’t. Just as a woman would never forget the rape on her body…we shouldn’t forget the rape of 2001-2009 by the GOP.

      • Bill sanders

        You should move to Cuba – you would be more at home there. Bush ruined our national security? Not one American was killed at home in seven years after 911 due to a terrorist attack. Many have been killed during Obama’s brief term. Our friends are worried we won’t support them and our enemies no longer fear us. If your belief was true, why do two thirds of military personel vote Republican? This is why Democrats try everything to stop their votes from being counted. If you are taking medications, stop. If you’re not, better start.

        • jamie

          Bill what attack happened on the mainland since Obama took office??? I’ll help you…none…what attack happen in Bushes first two years…that’s right 9/11 happened under Bush and a GOP congress and senate. Also Bill the men and women of the military donated more money to Obama 7 to 1 in dollars over McCain in 2008 so thats also wrong. Your not very accurate with your accessment Bill. We’re you awake during the Bush years?

          • TIME

            Jamie,
            Your outright Ignorance is totally exposed by your post.
            If you don’t know what your talking about perhaps you should learn prior to posting pure worthless rhetoric that makes you look like an Idiot.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Jamie… What is wrong with you? Are you on meds? You don’t think that the attack in Texas by Maj. Nidal Hasan wasn’t an attack on our country? And what about the underwear bomber in Detroit? And the bomb plot in New York City by Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani. You really need to get out more!

          • s c

            J, don’t you get tired of getting caught with your pants down around your ankles? That wet paper sack you’re trying to exit is way too tough for you, guy.
            Your White House Savior has plans for invading Mexico so he can try and make himself look like a ‘leader.’ If he could tear himself away from his handlers and CLOSE America’s borders, we wouldn’t have to be so concerned about drug pushers, potential terrorists or murderers who cross our borders when they feel like it.
            If you live long enough to be seen as an adult, you might be able to contribute something other than the PREDICTABLE garbage that spews out of your childish mouth. Read a book at least once a year, and stop hanging around people who keep you dumbed-down and will use and abuse you at will.
            On your best day, you are nothing more than a progressive shill, Bubba. I’m sorely tempted to ask if your parents had any kids who lived – but I won’t (THAT wouldn’t be “nice,” would it?).

          • 45caliber

            jamie:

            You are a little out of date. No attacks in the US since Oblama took over? How about the Christmas bomber who tried to blow up a plane over Detroit? How about the car bomb in New York City? The fact that the bombers were both idiots doesn’t change the fact that they tried!!

          • jamie

            45 caliber, S C and Robin this ones for you three silly GOPer’s. Since Obama’s been President we haven’t had an attack against the main land from an outside sources. The US Army was attacked by another member of the US Army. Attemps have been made but no one has made even a ripple like 9-11 since Obama took office. I guess you three hate the fact that Obama had 3 pirates killed to save and American captain. Something your beloved Bush never had the stones to do. S C you say stay on topic as you insult everyone. The topic is will the Repub cut back spending this time? They didn’t last time so why would they this time. OH by the way your an IDOIT S C. It comes out in every post you type.

          • 45caliber

            Jamie:

            You still didn’t address the underwear bomber and the car bomb in NYC. And Oblama gave the order to kill the pirates? Not in this lifetime! He simply delegated that decision to the officer in the field. BIG DIFFERENCE!

          • http://naver samurai

            Gee, now we have flush the toilet and jaime on this site. It’s like having tweedle dee and tweedle dumb on this site. Except which one is dee and which one is dumb? Or are they interchangeable? Jaime and flush, could you cite your sources you have for this information that you posted? Have you two been asleep for the last 2 – 4 years of the dems in power and in control of Congress? I’ll be waiting for your answers and please, don’t just let me those darn crickets in the background. They’re annoying! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • HFlashman

          I’d love to know what you see as a stronger National Security due to Bush/Cheney cabal.

          Treasury drained from a war we were lied into.
          Financial collapse of banking system
          Losing 800,000/ month private sector jobs
          Unfunded mandates to states (mandating higher state and local taxes)
          Financial, health and safety regulatory collapse
          Manufacturing collapsing
          Credit gone

          All that affects our national security.

          the we can talk about Bush/Cheney being the best recruiting poster bin Laden could have ever wished for.

          Torture becoming approved state act.
          War of Agression against Iraq
          Nonprosecuted war in Afghanistan
          Millions of displaced and refugees uncared for in the above two wars
          Broken treaties
          Broken promises and alliances
          Sweetheart support and threats on international deals for those favored corporations … and throats cut for those not paying off the WH cronies
          Homeland Security created to spy on our citizenry
          Constitutional Rights ignored
          State sponsored encouragement of hate and fear against “them”
          More terrorist attacks in eight years than the previous two administrations combined

          Yeah….. it’s to be expected we could overcome in less than 18 months the screw job Bush/Cheney did to us. uh huh. Sure.

          Frippin’ idiot.

          And on and on …

          • Conservatives United

            FLASH IN THE PAN. Your BS is funny.HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA. LIBTARD TALKING POINTS ARE NOT FACTS, EXCEPT IN THE FRIED BRAINS OF LOONY LEBERAL.

          • HFlashman

            CU…just what that I wrote are you saying isn’t a fact?

          • http://naver samurai

            Why do you always talk about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan Edduh? Don’t forget that many of your looney libs voted for those wars also. Also, Bush just didn’t go blindly into those places. We already had a plan before going to Afghanistan and kicked the butts of many terrorists. Iraq was to free their people and take out Saddam, mission accomplish on those notes. Also, we went on the same info that Clinton had with him. This info was also gathered by the British, Israel, various muslim states, and our own CIA, so what’s your point? Blame Bush, baaaaa! Iraq and Afghanistan, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! How about you tell me how this POTUS has changed this country for the better and I’ll tell you where he lied and messed up. I guarantee I’ll be writing more than you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • mrdave98765

        What I don’t understand is how you can keep your head stuck in the sand and still drink all that cool-aid.

        • jamie

          TIME your the ignorant fool on this posting. Everything on my post is correct. Bush was President for 9-11. The men and women of the military did donate more money to Obama than McCain by a 7 to 1 margin. These are both FACTS. LOOK them up. If you were alive for 9-11 you should remember who the President and congress and senate were. Like most GOPer’s you refuse to admit what your side has done to this country. Talk about having your head in the sand. If all your have to add to the discusion is insults why speak at all??

          • Craig

            The military people hate the chocolate Marxist. Why in the hell would they give that lying Marxist prick money?

          • Karolyn

            Wow, Craig! Do you have a pipeline to God so you know what everybody’s thinking all the time. The military hates Obama? How do you know.

          • Conservatives United

            Jamie you are a complete MORON. THE MORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH, THE DEEPER IN THE HOLE YOU GET. AS THE SAYING GOES, IF YOU FIND YOURSELD IN A HOLE, STOP DIGGING. Look up the facts. Provide us with the location of you SO CALLED TALKING POINTS THAT YOU CALL FACTS. YES I MA SCREAMING AT YOU, SINCE YOU DO NOT LISTEN. GET THE CRAP OUT OF YOUR EARS. MAYBE THAT WON’T HELP, BECAUSE YOUR HEAD IS ALSO FILLED WITH CRAP. NO BRAINS RESIDE THERE.

          • 45caliber

            Considering that about 90% of the military is conservative, I find those figures of yours highly suspicious. Few libs join since they believe that anyone who goes in will come out with mental problems; they come out as conservatives!

          • Craig

            Karolyn if you even the slightest clue and stepped out of the basement once in a while, you would know that most in the military do not like the chocolate Marxist and his Marxist America hating agenda.

          • HFlashman

            Factcheck.org
            Obama approval rating troops in active theatres overseas 55%
            Obama approval rating US troops based domestically 49%
            Overall Obama approval ratings/military 52%

            Yawn….now what was that CU and Craig were BSing us about?

          • http://naver samurai

            This comming from the party of the same morons that wouldn’t count more than 10,000 absentee ballots, from the military, in the 2000 election in Florida? Are you all crazy? I know for a fact that if they had counted those votes, Bush would have won and no recount would have been necessary. My wife and I also receive e-mails from our friends still in service and they hate Obama bin Laden. Many of them are voting patriotic or aren’t voting at all. Are you sure you want to stick with this lib BS you are posting, hmmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Karolyn

        That’s what I don’t get, Flash. How can anybody be expected to reverse such a downward spiral in a short period of time? I too believe the economy is coming back. Sure, it’s taking a long time; but you can’t expect miracles.

        • HFlashman

          Because their Masters haven’t programmed them to be anything but led by fear and hate. That and theyrefuse to be accountable for their acts. They think in very simplistic terms, and grab onto anything which supports…however false…that it wasn’t their fault.

          It’s like they still believe Reagan to be something than a disaster to this Nation. He was an actor and gave a good con job. Look at the facts, and they refuse to believe them. They’d rather believe the fairy tale con job rather than admit reality.

          • Bus

            I think it will take a complete collapse of the government to fix the problem. We are all too selfish and worried about our own piece of the pie to make any real sacrifices and its the entitlement payments that will wipe us out, just like the overly generous penion plans are killing the budgets in various cities.
            Imagine the outcry if a politician suggested scaling back social security? The public just won’t put up with it, so we’ll all be holding on to our hope for change until the entire thing collapses and we end up with nothing.
            This is why democracy’s generally only last one or two hundred years.

          • Conservatives United

            FLASH IN THE PAN.

            BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,

          • http://naver sook young

            I really want to thank HFlashman for descirbing this administration very well. I couldn’t have said it better. By the way he is on all issues, counting women’s issues, I’m surprised that the people have put up with him as long as they have till now. His wife is not a good example of an American woman, as she only speaks out evil words and cares nothing for their own children. She would be the equivilant of Marie Antionette, Eva Braun, Mao’s wife, etc. Let’s vote them out of office and send them home next month and in 2012! Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • slickporsche

        If I had my way, all liberals, and Democrats would get the firing squad, with fully automatic weapons, and all weapons are loaded. You can be the first!

        • HFlashman

          Slick … Just remember…a UNION member made that Porsche. And you’re paying the Muslim Imams and supporting terrorists every time you put gas in it.

          • coal miner

            Hflashman,

            Don’t forget,their hero,Ronald Turn Coat Reagan sold us out to the Japs and Chinese.He wasn’t above other underhanded tricks.This one he pulled on Jimmy Carter.Here it is.

            Aside from the “October Surprise,” when Reagan negotiators allegedly convinced the Iranian mullahs to hold onto our hostages until Reagan’s inauguration day (they were literally released after he was sworn in), the GOP had perfected the selling of a myth about America — and they had the hale and hearty actor to sell the product.

          • http://naver sook young

            Can you cite a source for that or are you still groping your way in the dark? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Teresa

        flash wrote:
        Obama began with an economy spiraling down, 800,000 a month in private industry job losses, and mired in two wars. In less than two years, we have gains in private sector jobs instead of 800K/month losses, the economy is coming back, our auto industry is back solid, got back most of the TARP I money, made money on TARP II, revamped the financial industry, ended one war and successfully prosecuting the other, started the long road to real health care reform, began energy policy reform and, in essence, is bringing us back fom the ruination of Bush II.
        flash, the economy was already on a downward spiral due to your pal Clinton…Obama is destroying the private sector jobs and pushing for nothing but union and socialized, government control.
        Despite what you THINK the economy is NOT coming back but the worse in history! Our auto industry, which is now the government auto industry is nothing but solid it is a joke, A $41,000 “all-electric” car heavily hyped by the Obama administration is now being dubbed a “fraud” because it requires gasoline for the driver to get anywhere.
        The war ended when BUSH said it would end you idiot..not Obama! And the surge is because of BUSH not Obama! Obama freely admitted he was against the wars..remember! The so called Real Health care reform is the biggest violation of our constitutional rights ever violated. Is nothing more than the governments seizure to exploit us into slavery and unionize us under government control! As far as Cap and Trade, a freaking joke…nothing more than the politicians and the elite to make billions off us, it has already been proven to be a fraud, you need to do your homework, look and see how much Obama and Clinton and Gore and others stand to gain when the bill passes. You just go right on with the right and keep blaming Bush for all your problems…you need to keep on searching if you seek the real truth!

        • Conservatives United

          Teresa, According to you and FLASH IN THE PAN, that is a job loss understand Bush of 76,800,000 jobs lost during the 8 years in office. Do the math!!!!! When numbers are pulled out thin air, the results are BS like this. Also this economy is not gaining jobs, as just last month it lost 95,000 jobs, as per the Bureau of Labor Statistics and others. Check it out. Unemployment has gone up from 7.7% to the current 9.6% under the ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE’S REGIME. You can check those numbers out at the same place.

          • Conservatives United

            Sorry Thersa, I mixed what you had quoted from FLASH IN THE PAN, With what you said later. Your thoughts are correct.

          • Teresa

            Did you even read what I wrote? Where did I say anything about not loosing jobs under Bush???
            Despite what you THINK the economy is NOT coming back but the worse in history! Our auto industry, which is now the government auto industry is nothing but solid it is a joke, A $41,000 “all-electric” car heavily hyped by the Obama administration is now being dubbed a “fraud” because it requires gasoline for the driver to get anywhere.
            The war ended when BUSH said it would end you idiot..not Obama! And the surge is because of BUSH not Obama! Obama freely admitted he was against the wars..remember! The so called Real Health care reform is the biggest violation of our constitutional rights ever violated. Is nothing more than the governments seizure to exploit us into slavery and unionize us under government control! As far as Cap and Trade, a freaking joke…nothing more than the politicians and the elite to make billions off us, it has already been proven to be a fraud, you need to do your homework, look and see how much Obama and Clinton and Gore and others stand to gain when the bill passes. You just go right on with the right and keep blaming Bush for all your problems…you need to keep on searching if you seek the real truth!

          • 45caliber

            Teresa:

            What is really sad is that GM has the patents to build a really good economical electric, gas, or combination car that would get wonderful milage. I know of them buying up those same patents. But they can’t use any of them. The government would get upset since it would cut into their fuel taxes collected. Consider – if you doubled the milage a car could do, you would cut the taxes in half. All the libs shudder at such an idea!

          • HFlashman

            CU….you simply don’t have the reading comprehension of a first grader do you?

            Shrub’s last month in office..Janaury 2009. The US lost 800,000 jobs. Now, can you name what months under Bush the US had positive job growth? (LOL…go ahead…they are few and far between) Fact…since Arpil 2009, the private sector added jobs. The negative job numbers the past few months was that Government cut jobs.

            Jeesh…

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Flushman, it’s your fault as well .

      • a progressive nightmare

        More stupid FLUSH crap!

      • coal miner

        hflashman,

        Way to go,you are hundred persent right.

        • http://naver samurai

          Same old unfounded crap from the left wing extremists who will lose big time next month! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Bleh

        Clinton Surplus is a Myth.
        The National Debt still rose during his administration, he borrowed from trust funds. With a little slight-of-hand he fooled you with smoke and mirrors. You see, he paid down the Public Debt and borrowed far more in intragovernmental holdings. Thus the rise in the National Debt each year of his administration.
        When you borrow money you must pay it back, thus no surplus. It was all smoke and mirrors, the oblivious lap up the kool-aid and bleat about it.
        This nation has not had a surplus for at least a 100 years, you can find it all on the US treasury website.
        If the Government fails to pay back what it has borrowed in intragovernmental holdings, then we are in for some serious problems when institutions like Social Security inevitably go to cash in their securities.
        Quit bleating and start reading.

    • http://www.productivitysystems.com Steve Thompson

      I tire of the blame game. Neither Bush nor Obama is responsible for a global economic downturn, caused in large part by the paradigm shift from an industrial age to an information age – which enables government and industry alike to accomplish the jobs held by manual laborers by as much as 50% fewer employees, the jobs held by postal workers to e-mail-savvy correspondents, the numbers of troops required to accomplish missions by US-based drone pilots,, the manually-created medical records by government-mandated computerized electronic medical records (and on and on…).
      We need to stop blaming an individual, and seek a viable solution on which we can all agree. This cannot occur until the Congress is no longer controlled by attorneys adept at bending the they’ve created and obfuscated to their own individual benefit. This is a group problem, not an individual problem, with our Congress
      We are saddled with a Congress who’s members continue to think their prime objective is to pass as many laws as possible (and to continue to do so by buying their individual constituencies at the expense of the larger good (and this problem existed long before either Bush II or Obama stumbled into office in close races that stemmed from a confused electorate who (perhaps until the Tea Party influence is felt) are bent of forcing the traditional Congressmen (and women) out of office in hopes of creating some sanity in a Congress that truly represents the people.
      Perhaps those who think that two additional Amendments to our Constitution are warranted will become a majority that just must be heard: The proposed 28th Amendment: ” Congress shall pass no law affecting the US population at large that does not equally apply to the members of Congress; and Congress shall pass no law that affects its members that does not apply equally to the US population at large”. And the 29th Amendment might read: “
      The present Congress has exempted itself from Social Security (they have a “better” retirement plan for themselves, from the effects of the Health Care Reform Bill they so readily foisted upon the rest of us who face fines if we don’t participate, from Medicare (they have a “better” plan for their members (both active and de-activated), from being held accountable for outright lies told in order to gather votes for election or re-election, and you and I both could go on and on in finding relevant examples of Congress’ self-serving, politics-come-first (and I come first) agendas.
      As a group, members both of the Senate and of the House of Representatives have participated in (and continue to participate in) these self-serving practices, almost without exception. They’ve proved they just won’t listen to admonishment. They’ve proved they will not hold sacrosanct the trust of our having elected them to represent us by voting them into their offices by their daily actions… and, in this global paradigm shift in the economy, and faced with a fundamentalist Islam faction bent on the destruction of the Western World, the Democratic way of life, and the economy that makes it all possible, we can no longer apply the remedies that worked in the affluence of days gone by.
      Perhaps it is time to replace the present members of this self-serving body with members who represent the US citizenry, and who are intent on creating and maintaining the greatest good for our country. Someone wisely pointed out that the special interests so readily served by the Congress we elected to serve the citizens could be stifled simply by saying “No” to the money offered to them to forsake their Public Trust.
      Leave the present members in office, and suffer continuing consequences (I doubt they CAN change the way they conduct themselves in office). Instruct the members elected THIS November that we’ll be watching their every official action. It’d be interesting to see a recall election for a member of Congress mid-term…

      • http://none Mike

        wow a glimmer of intelegengence there. Better stifle that before they come knocking on your door.:)Other than that totally agree about the shift in the paradime. Alot of unemployment can be reduced by re training but you wont get either side to agree to that they are too busy trying to create a new entitled class.Me I finally shifted to a type of work thats growing big right now (salvage).Hard dirty work but also well paying if you take the time to do it right.Thanks again for the well written comment only wish more in and out of politics shared the view then we might get something done. Mike L.

      • Teresa

        very well written!!!

    • sylviam

      I think blaming Bush has to stop. He was fighting a WAR, *BOTH HOUSES WERE DEMOCRAT* that refused to FUND OUR TROOPS at war. That WAS & IS deplorable. Now we are in a mess again THANKS to OBAMA and he is FLYING ALL OVER THE PLACE TO HELP HIS CRONIES TO GET BACK IN OFFICE, We THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR ALL OF IT, it has to STOP we can’t even buy a plane ticket to anywhere, So why should we pay HIS way to ANYWHERE. we should not be doing that either.
      NOT A DAMN THING THIS ADMINISTRATION SAYS OR DOES IS TRUE NOR DOES IT WORK. FLUSH the Damn TOILET.
      GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • Conservatives United

        The bill for the ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE flying all over the country trying to get his marxist commies back in office should be paid by the SOCIALIST DEMONCRAP PARTY. Not a single cent of it should be on the backs of the taxpayers.

        • 45caliber

          But you are missing the main plank in the Socialist Dimocrap platform. That’s to tax – everyone else.

          • Conservatives United

            I certainly know that. As a business owner for many years in one of the most liberal high tax states in this country, Wisconsin, I have stated for years, that if they can tax you out of business, they will regulate you out of business, and if either one don’t work they will tax and regulate you out of business. WI is has been top 5 or 10 ranked in highest taxes for decades, and do a real good job with overbearing regulation. Add that to the Federal burden, and you want to leave as I did.

    • Marten

      Yes Dan Az, it’s like the old adage ”Justifying of self…is blaming someone else”

  • http://none Alex

    When will you Teabaggers understand that it takes a lot of money to send our young mercenaries killing and raping their way through foreign countries?

    • http://www.personaliberty.com frank

      Alex spoken like a true communist comrade .You are a dirt bag !!.

    • Bill sanders

      You cowards who wouldn’t lift a finger to defend your country should shut up and support those brave men and women who do!

      • Ameican Veteran

        I served and if i wasnt so old i,d do it again. i served for you, i sacrificed for you, so you could stay safe and warm at night and have the freedom to spew your retarded cowardly bullshat on here.

        • sylviam

          THANK YOU VETERAN, for your service, as the wife of a VERERAN I can feel your pain and anger, half or more, that spew the SOCIALIST bull s-it would not serve in the military or even try to watch any-ones 6. I wouldn’t want them to either for they would fold every time some one would set off a fire cracker. SEE THEM RUN, WATCH THEM WHINE,by the way—GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • 45caliber

            I joined while the draft was still going on. As a result, there were about as many liberals as conservatives in the service.

            And you are right. They would fold the moment that the shooting started. I’ve seen them hiding and crying behind trees, etc.

            I once mentioned to a West Point graduate that only about 10% of the troops were actually any good in combat. He agreed and told me that they were taught that in school. The rest are necessary, though, to distract the enemy from shooting at the good soldiers. In other words, the liberals make great targets.

      • HFlashman

        More lies and hate bred by ignorance eh Bill?

        • Craig

          Flashdud, you lie and spew the best, you should know, eh boy?

          • HFlashman

            Craig..go ahead and cite aything you believe I lied on. Facts are facts. You can choose to ignre them, but they are reality. As for spewing hate…other than referring to people as to the levels of their comprehension..I don’t believe I would fall into the “spewing hate’ catagory. Especially in comparison to the Users of this board.

            Have a great day…and remember…

            Vote early, vote often…VOTE DEMOCRAT !

          • Craig

            Flash dud. nothing you post is reality based. As to finding your lies lies, that would be a full time position. Liberals are lairs, that is a fact. You are just incapable of understanding that reality.

          • Craig

            Voting dumbocrat is like committing intellectual suicide. I ain’t that stupid. We all know you are.

          • JLC

            Flash — “Vote early. Vote often” you say! Is that how democrats wine elections? Where I live, I am only allowed to vote ONCE!!

        • Conservatives United

          Yes FLASH IN THE PAN Facts are Facts. 8 years of Bush X 12 = 96 months in office X 800,000 jobs per month lost = 76,800,000 total jobs lost.

          Where did you get these phony facts. From the lips of the ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE, QUEEN PIGLOSI, HORSE THIEF HARRY, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC????????

          • HFlashman

            CU….just so you don’t have to read it again…I’ll write slow so maybe this time you understand. Bush’s last month in office, 800,000 jobs lost. Do you want me to take you by the hand and tell you how much job growth there was under the entire 8 years of Bush?

          • http://naver samurai

            I guarantee we have lost more jobs under Obama bin Laden than under Bush. Here in my hometown, we had lots of good paying factory jobs when Bush was president and now we have none. The only ones that seem to be hiring are part time jobs and the service industry. I guess it is OK for someone to work at McDonalds for minimum wage instead of a factory for $10 – $13 an hour starting off? Try supporting a family on that pay. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • mrdave98765

      What I don’t understand is how you can keep your head stuck in the sand and still drink all that cool-aid?????

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        mrdave98765, His head is not stuck in the sand, he was born with his head up his “como se llama”, that’s the reason he suffers from cranial, rectal insertion.

    • s c

      A, like so many other progressive retards who dare to show up on this website, your comments have nothing to do with the topic. Chill out, pull your swelled head out of your @^*, take another Prozac, and go @#^* yourself, comrade.

    • http://naver samurai

      Do you know the difference between a soldier and a mercenary, moron? A soldier does his job because he’s trained to do it and a mercenary does his job because he loves it. Who the h*** are you to say some crap like that? I’ll bet that you don’t have or didn’t have the balls to sign up now do you? You just look at what those fool terrorists do in those countries, then you can compare what we do to what they do. Alex, you are nothing but a lib, gay lover, baby killer, marxist, who has no hope of knowing what this country is about or how it was founded. Remember moron, next month the tide is going to turn from the forces of darkness (Obama bin Laden), to the forces of light. I only hope that you are knowledgeable enough to see it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • libertytrain

      Why are gay people sending out mercenaries – You words are so confusing. What does that have to do with anything on this site – something you read on NAMBLA?

    • 45caliber

      Alex:

      Mercenaries are people who fight solely for money. Our “young mercenaries” aren’t. They are patriots who believe that they are helping our country – which you obviously don’t. It doesn’t make you a patriot to refuse to defend the freedom we all want and love.

      • Karolyn

        They might believe that’s why they’re fighting but it is not necessarily the case. Many of them join for the educational and other benefits and want to retired with a nice pension at an early age. If they have to fight, they will because they have to, but are they really protecting our freedom? Or are they protecting the US’s position in the world and profits for big oil and contractors that profit from war? And what does that war do to them? Changes them forever into possibly someone who is a very sick individual. I think what we hear is a very small tip of the iceberg.

        • sylviam

          are YOU CALLLING MY HUSBAND A *SICK INDIVIDUAL*? If so I beg to differ with you. HE IS A PATRIOT, THEN NOW & FOREVER. Can you say the same, doubtful but do not lump all VET’S in the same heap, because you will lose everytime. IF YOU dissagree with the MILITARY at least tell the whole TRUTH.
          GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • Craig

            Never mind Karolyn. She is like all other libs, they have no clue what they are babbling about. Nothing they say is truthful or reality based.

        • 45caliber

          Karolyn:

          The only people I saw come out of the military as a “very sick individual” was sick before they got there. What you are referring to, I think, is some lib who went in and came out a conservative after he saw what the libs were trying to do to the military.

          Unless you are a vet yourself, you would do best to keep your opinions to yourself. You aren’t qualified to comment.

          • Karolyn

            Oh, so you haven’t seen the reports of how badly some of the returning vets are doing? PTSD. Inability to adjust. Anger off the charts. My point is they should not have to go to war for somebody else’s profits.

          • 45caliber

            As I said, they had problems when they went in. All the war did was accent them. But most do NOT have problems. The media and the libs just try to insist that they do. to justify themselves.

          • 45caliber

            Oh, and Karolyn? Only the liberals talk of protecting someone else’s profits. What profits are you talking about? There isn’t anything in Afghanistan we can make a profit from! And Iraq’s oil? All that goes to Europe and/or Russia. We don’t get any of it so it really doesn’t matter to our soldiers, does it? Soldiers don’t fight for profits for someone else. They fight for family and friends.

            Until you actually go and see for yourself, you have no background to make any comments. All you do is “suppose” they fight for those reasons, which is basically insulting to all of them. And it is actually also insulting to yourself since you are basically telling all of us that profits is the only reason YOU would fight for!

          • http://naver samurai

            They act that way because of arses like Karolyn treating them as they return. If they are treated as scum and not like heroes, how would you act in this case? Oh, I forgot! You’re not a patriot, just another coward and traitor we have to deal with. Don’t any of you moron libs tell me that stuff. I’ll stick it somewhere up you where the sun don’t shine. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Marten

          Hello Karo, Millions of fluoridated Zombie Americans choose DEATH instead of CHANGE…….Light&Love

        • Teresa

          Karolyn, I am going to say it you stupid B#$%@. I am the great, great niece of Sgt. York, my father served on the USS Enterprise…all 10 of my uncles served in the military and do you know why? They did it for OUR individual freedom, not for political gain…mine and unfortunately yours too. So while you sit there and talk about your opinion on why someone joins the service you need to reconsider. If a person only enlist to get a better education and early pension then they are joining for the wrong damn reason to begin with! Go to college! You have not one single idea about self respect and pride and honor apparently! When you lie your head down at night in the comfort of your home you remember the soilders and vets whom sacrafice their lifes that YOU are able to do that while you sit that and wish for a socilist government you idiot!

        • http://naver samurai

          Bring that unpatriotic lib rhetoric to my house b****! I guarantee you a swift and propper response. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://www.productivitysystems.com Steve Thompson

      I love your sense of humor – too bad others don’t see that in your message…

    • AngryBlueCollarVeteran

      Shame on you. I have been spit on by little cowards like you while in uniform. It took everything I had not to hurt you.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Alex… You are clueless. My dad, a WW2 veteran served; my father in law, a Korean war veteran served; my son a Kosovo veteran served; and the list goes on and on in my family! I am proud of each of them and owe my freedom to them and their sacrifices. A capitalistic society is too good for you!

      • http://naver samurai

        My father did 32.5 years with the navy, counting 3 tours of Vietnam. My uncle served 24 years with the air force and also did 3 tours of Vietnam. Both of which fought during the Tet Offensive. My great uncle fought against the Japanese at a place called Guadalcanal. And continued all the way to the capturing of Iwo Jima. My grandfather served with the Marines on the Western Front from 1917 – 1918. There are so many veterans in my family (I have records going all the way back to before the Revolution.) there’s no way to list them all here. We are all proud of them and my 20 years in the army. Don’t forget you lib slimeballs that it’s these veterans that gave you your freedom and you haven’t earned anything, morons! Being born in this country just isn’t enough. Don’t forget, many people with anchor babies say the same things you do. Just a bunch of cowards and traitors. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • alpha-lemming

      Good point. A tactical nuke has gotta be a LOT cheaper.

  • Mick

    Alex says:
    October 25, 2010 at 9:29 am
    When will you Teabaggers understand that it takes a lot of money to send our young mercenaries killing and raping their way through foreign countries?

    ****************************************************
    Alex,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I can see that you have a lot of respect for those men and women in our military, too bad they also will have to be maimed and killed to protect the freedom of speech you just used to put them down………….

    • Al Sieber

      Good one Mick, couldn’t of said it better.

    • Ameican Veteran

      I would teabag palin shes a hot bimbo nothing more.

      • HFlashman

        I’ll agree with the bimbo portion of that statement. Hot she ain’t…someone should send her a paperbag to improve the looks.

        • Karolyn

          I’m tired of hearing that whiney voice!

          • Craig

            We say the same about you Karolyn and about all you uneducated, know nothing libtards.

          • Karolyn

            Craig – I don’t have a whiney voice.

          • 45caliber

            Karolyn:

            You are definately whining on here whether your voice is whiny or not!

        • Craig

          Well, looking at liberal women, it clear a knowing imbecile like you flashdud would have no idea what a hot women looks like.

          • HFlashman

            I woud refer you to Obama Girl, the Dixie Chicks, etc etc ..

          • Craig

            Proves you have no clue what is good looking. Typical lib looks for the ugliest women and claims they are hot.

          • slickporsche

            Hey libs aren’t you nearly late for a date with the firing squad.Get to it your death awaits you. What a glorious day it will be. More garbage thrown out.

          • Craig
          • jamie

            I have to agree Palin has a little to much age on her to be considered HOT. Plus as soon as she speaks she looses what hot she once had.Tell me this Craig if the Quiter runs for President will you vote for her?? Are you affraid she’ll quit again?

          • 45caliber

            Well, flash, I’ve seen a lot of what I would consider bad looking women find men. And if you consider Oblama girl and the Dixie Chicks as hot, I can see why.

        • alpha-lemming

          Sounds like you’d rather have one of those hot-libettes (Garofalo?? Behar?? Hill-dawg?? Dwarkin?? Poopie Goldberg??) take a strap-on to ya.

      • Conservatives United

        How about Michell the Teminator????? Would you Tea Bag her??????

        • http://naver samurai

          How about Hillary or Michelle?

  • LES

    The Repubs tried to introduce a balanced budget amendment in mid 1990s but the vote that defeated it was cast by Byrd of WVA. They also tried to cut spending which apparently was the purpose of their election but everywhere they tried to cut the people said NOT MY MONEY CUT SOMEONE ELSE. AARP was one of the worst when they thought their government welfare would be cut. So if you think anyone elected now will be able to reduce spending think again. Everyone will will be complaining just like the 90s, so it will revert to business as usual. The only thing that can stop it is complete bankruptcy by the US

    • jamie

      Don’t tell me about the 90s Les. Tell me why the CEO administation didn’t do the job they we’re hired to do and reduce our deficits when they had total control of the govenment from 2000 to 2006? They did just the opposite and increased the deficit by more than 100% while giving away no money down mortages and huge tax breaks to the top 1%. If the REPUBs could or would fix it they would have when they had control of everything.

      • Conservatives United

        Giving away no down mortgages. Compliments of Freddie and Fannie, and the idiots in congress controlling it. That would be Chris DODO Dodd, and Barney Criminal Enterprise FAG Frank. Guess which party they are from, yes The Socialist Demoncrapic Party, Now also know as the PARTY OF FOOD STAMPS, Compliments of Queen Nancy Piglosi.

        • HFlashman

          CU…that just shows you have no clue what caused the financial meltdown.

          • http://naver samurai

            So he forgot to mention Clinton and Carter’s blunders, but we know what he’s talking about. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • HFlashman

      The so-called “Balanced Budget Amendment” was another con job. The GOP didn’t expect it to go anywhere. And it didn’t. Do you really think the US Constitution would have been amended? And…looking back…we didn’t need it because the Democrats GAVE US a surplus going into the 21st century…which the GOP promptly blew to increase the wealth and power of the wealthy elite who bought them.

      • ValDM

        Flashy,
        I have told you and told you: there WAS NO SURPLUS. The “surplus” you refer to never was. It was budgeted money that was never SPENT. That doesn’t mean there was EVER a BALANCED budget. We were STILL borrowing money hand over fist, BUT we just had money THAT WAS BORROWED, which was in the budget that WAS NEVER SPENT. That’s what you’re so all-fired up about. NO SURPLUS. NEVER WAS. Just MORE political grandstanding.

        • 45caliber

          Agreed. But to a liberal, if they don’t spend it all, it MUST be surplus or they would have spent it

        • Conservatives United

          And to add to that CUTS really mean reductions in the proposed increases, NOT REAL CUTS IN EXPENDITURES.

          • 45caliber

            Exactly.

      • a progressive nightmare

        Flush…….LMAO!!!! You cannot possibly believe that WE THE PEOPLE are this stupid, can you? LOL!!!!!

        • HFlashman

          prog. Nightmare…I don’t believe the American people are that stupid. But certainly many of those posting here are …

          • a progressive nightmare

            Let’s see…Stupid people on this thread? You, Eddiedum, Dumnisso, Eric B, Karolyn…..Should I continue?

          • http://naver sook young

            How about Norm, frownlee, eyes closed tihght, rob smith and others? Sometimes I think that they are more ignorant than than anyone other libs on this site. HFlashman, can you explain in detail why you think our economy is in the dumps without any politics in you answer? If you do, don’t forget to place blame onto whoever did something and not just the last administration, OK? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

    • http://www.productivitysystems.com Steve Thompson

      “Government Welfare”? I paid into Social Security and Medicare for 40 years! How is it you see my collecting on those mandatory contributions as “Government Welfare”?

      • HFlashman

        Steve !?! Don’t you know anything? SS and Medicare need to be eliminated ! Criminey ! They’re cutting into the subsidies and tax perks for Big Corporate America and the wealthy elite fer chrissakes …

        • Craig

          More clueless babble from Flashdud.

          • Conservatives United

            The term FLASH means something real quick. If that is the case, why is this MORON still here.

        • 45caliber

          Only if you also eliminate the tax for them.

        • 45caliber

          Actually, they cut into the money the libs can use to pay Welfare recipients to vote for them. You should know that!

    • slickporsche

      That will definitly happen under this administration.

    • Conservatives United

      AARP is a wing of the Demoncrap Party. The head of AARP a few years back was justifying his $700,000 a year salary. WHAT A SICK JOKE THEY ARE, EXCEPT NOBODY IS LAUGHING.

      • 45caliber

        Most elderly in the AARP don’t realize what the leadership is. Unfortunately. When it started it had good people. Now? You are right about them.

  • http://personalliberty.com Juan

    The conservatives must look at defense pork, not defend it.

    i.e., The US Navy is proposing 2 East Coast bases-within 300 miles of each other – for the new Marines F-35B. These bases are Cherry Pt and Beaufort, SC. The Cherry Pt people do not want the training squadrons. The politicians in SC has pushed the idea of the Beaufort base closing if it does not take the recommended Navy’s Alter #1 in the final EIS: That means 106,030 flight ops per year over Beaufort: We have no OLF and Cherry Pt does. These jets are at least twice as loud with longer duration than the F18s Beaufort has. Health and safety issues abound. Tourism, the main industry, will lose. The training squadrons must practice touch and go over the community. Not so at Cherry Pt – they have an offsite landing site with no permanent housing!

    Why pay for the revamping – millions short term /billions long term of dollars – for 2 bases when one is enough? Esp. since the F35Bs are predicted to cost $200 million each after testing, and millions to maintain and use.( Probably a short life for the plane due to costs and testing failures. Software=7.5 million lines of code. Chinese have already hacked the system design and electronic data.)

    Beaufort is a small, historic 299 year old town with diverse culture, appealing natural environment.

    Send all F35Bs to Cherry Point, a military town, twice the size base as Beaufort. And Cherry point is set-up for these costly and high maintenance jets. Save Beaufort’s F18 base as is. We do not need a 71% increase in noisy jet traffic annually. SAVE TAX DOLLARS. Cut the pork!

    Save Beaufort, SC !

    • Ameican Veteran

      Better yet why dont they use one of the military bases they shut down, makes sense to me.

    • Karolyn

      Juan – Vote for Sheheen!

    • 45caliber

      Juan:

      We do look at defense pork – and we don’t like it. But there is so much other pork that also should be considered. Like Welfare.

    • Bleh

      Guess the fools who built their houses next to an Air Force base were deaf at the time. Either that or they are simply clueless. Either way if you choose to live near an Air Force base you must comprehend they have jets and jets are loud. If you do not, you are a complete moron not deserving any leniency.
      Freaking move if you do not like the noise. The simplicity of the solution to the problem is outstanding. The monumental stupidity shown by the idiots complaining is also outstanding.

  • Karolyn

    Yeah, right, let’s spend less on education. The kids are already unable to spell when they leave high school.

    • Mick

      Karolyn…..Damn right !! obviously all of that money we wasted on education didn’t pay off,,,what make you think that throwing more money at it will help them learn, many teachers can’t even spell thanks to the UNIONS interference and their low standards…….
      A good swift kick in the pants and discipline with no electronic distractions would be much more effective it sure worked in the past.

      • Karolyn

        Mick, I was being sarcastic. Here in SC, we need the money. Our schools are worse than Georgia. My friend has to buy something or bring something to school every week for fundraising. I know what you’re saying about the union. Tenure should be taken off the table unless you’re a good teacher. The head of education in Washington DC (I forget her name) has done miracles with that system by making teachers and principals accountable. She should be a role model for every school system. I think she even fired the superintendent of schools or some higher up in the system. Our students need to be up to par with other countries like China. Part of that comes from the way they’re raised. That goes to how the parents were raised and on adinfinitum.

        • 45caliber

          The problem with the school system is two-fold. It is teachers who are care only about the money and 3 month vacations and parents who don’t care if their children learn to do more than fill out a welfare application form. Money alone won’t do a thing but cause the teachers to ask for more of it. And schools should be about teaching, not administration. When I was in school, There were two staff people – secretaries for the superintendent and pricipal – other than the superintendent and principals. Now there are as many staff people as teachers in many schools. Why?

        • libertytrain

          I think you are speaking of Michelle Rhee, unfortunately she was pretty much forced to resign when the Mayor lost his bid for reelection in D.C. – She resigned a week or two ago. She was very impressive and her departure should be considered a great loss for the education system.

        • HFlashman

          Check out the new movie “Waiting for Superman” …

        • Marten

          Hi,remember the Country you live in, was built by self-educated men!!Not College grads…Majority of Americans are still clueless as to what is happening to their Country and why!!!!We had better learn how to hang together or we will hang separately!!!!

          • Karolyn

            Marten – I believe I recently read that a couuple of the founding fathers did go to college.

          • 45caliber

            Karolyn:

            A couple did. But not most of them. The problem today is that the High school degree no longer means they have an education. I’ve seen kids graduate with a 2nd grade education because they were simply pushed through without making them repeat anything. So most businesses ask for a min. of 2 years college to insure they have simple math and writing skills.

        • a progressive nightmare

          and now you are comparing us to China? Only a progressive fool would make such a statement.

      • Conservatives United

        Mick, As former teacher, my wife and I had 46 years in teaching. You are so correct that we already throw far too much money into the government schools INDOCTRINATE INSTEAD OF EDUCATE. Your last statement is very true, as I an some of the teachers I taught with back in the 1970′s and early 80′s used to say. MANY OF THESE KIDS NEED A GOOD KICK IN THE A$$.

        • 45caliber

          But that might harm their self esteeme! As if they don’t already have too much of it.

    • slickporsche

      Actually a lot of that is thier own damn fault. Kids are also raised different now days and that has alot to do with it. How many of them really want to learn. Probably only a few. Like the old saying goes, “you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink it”.

      • 45caliber

        It goes back to the parents. I heard a man on TV talking about voting against a school tax. “Why should I want to pay for a new school? My kids don’t need an education! As soon as they get old enough to have kids of their own, they can go on welfare!”

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Anyone who gets voted in had better believe that they will be under a microscope. Thank God for Fox News and the few papers that still report the news and not spin it. America is awake now and they don’t like what they have been sleeping through!

    • jamie

      Robin why were you asleep at the wheel? Your party had control. Why didn’t you stand up and ask questions when it was happening? OH thats right you were asleep. But now that there’s a DEM in the White House you decide to wake up and complain about what the Repub have done. Let me let you in on a couple of secrets in the GOP world. You were in control during 9-11-01. You were in control for no money down mortages in 2003. You were in control when the debt ceiling was raised twice in 2003 and 2005. You were in control when we lost 8 million jobs over 2 years. Take responsiblity for what the GOP has done and quit blaming the fire department for trying to put out the fire your party lit while you were sleeping.

      • ValDM

        Janie,
        You’re only partially correct: the financial meltdown that was started with no-down mortgages and mortgages that were made to people that the banks KNEW would never be repaid, was signed into law by your very own Bubba Clinton.

        • jamie

          The Fair Housing Act of 2003 was signed as you may figure in 2003. Bubba was gone for several years by then. But as usual you GOP’ers are confused or just plain out lying.

          • ValDM

            Jamie,
            Wrong you are! Look up the Glass-Steagal Act signed in 1999.

          • HFlashman

            Val..the Glass Steagal Act is not ‘no down mortgages caused the meltdown’ as the above are trying to claim. BTW…the erasure of Glass Steagal was pushed hard by the GOP…they sponsored the bill. And to the shame of Clitnon, he signed it.

        • HFlashman

          Sigh….once again…this shows that people don’t have a clue what caused the financial meltdown…they listen to what the GOP Masters program to think and say.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Jamie… I was not asleep then and I am not asleep now. The pilots that trained for the 9/11 mission were in our country, training, learning how to fly aircraft while President Clinton was in office. He didn’t see it coming, nor did anyone else. If they did, someone was tying their hands preventing it from not happening. You are so wrapped up in your liberal ideas that you can’t see that there is enough problems that finding people to blame is easy from both the GOP to the libs. I find that the libs are just more self-serving and that those who follow the liberal agenda are easier to sway. I don’t put all the blame on the liberals. I even voted for Clinton the first time around. I come from a strong Dem background. But alas, I have see the error of my ways. I could no longer support liberals when they are against the standards I have. If the Republicans are not in line with my views and morals, I’ll leave them behind, too. I am not stamped with GOP on my forehead. I will put my trust in God and those who meet my criteria.

      • http://naver samurai

        If you really think things are better under Obama bin Laden, then YOU are the one asleep at the wheel. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    DEFICITS!!!!!!!

    Ir is about time you noticed!

    1980=1000B of Debt
    20 years under 3 R Presidents Added on 9000B.

    Those 3 created an average of 99,000 net new jobs per month

    Two dumb D Carter Peanuthead + Clinton Hick created 222,000 per month

    OUCH! Facts sho do hurt.
    olduglymeanhonest mad mad mad

    • 45caliber

      Swinney:

      Like most libs, you seem to fail to understand that CONGRESS is the one who spends the money, not the President!

      • Karolyn

        Gotcha 45! Then why do you people keep blaming Obama for all the spending? Hm?

        • Craig

          Because he has a dumbocratic majority in both houses and he keeps claiming that those are his policies. You ain’t very bright are ya?

          • Karolyn

            Craig – 45′s post still negates prevous statements that Obama is responsible for everything. I am VERY bright. I’ll match my IQ to yours any day.

          • Brad

            Karolyn,

            OHmama’s 09 budget proposal had 1.45 trillion in deficit spending and in 10 his budget proposal was 1.3 trillion in deficit spending, his party his budget, his congress supported it, it was OHmama and cogresses fault plain and simple.

          • Brad

            even though congress controls the purse strings, all the extra spending is what’s getting this country into trouble, it has to end. Seems to me your IQ is in the dirt, Karolyn.

          • Brad

            Karolyn,

            Who signs each spending bill? The President he can veto anything, so why isn’t OHmama vetoing these spending bills?

          • http://naver samurai

            Oh Karolyn, can you answer Brad’s questions or are we going to continue hearing those darn crickets in the background? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • alpha-lemming

          At least part of that is explained by his penchant for creating new cabinet positions, bye-passing Congress, and spending via presidential fiat.

        • a progressive nightmare

          karolyn, Bright???? Is that why you live in a trailor in the woods, had a failed business in PA and then depend on US DUMB PEOPLE to support you?

          It’s the THC my friend and you are smart enough to understand what I just said.

      • jamie

        GOP had control of the congress for bushes first 6 years. They only increased the deficit every year of it.

        • http://naver samurai

          Too bad in 2007 when the lib, gay lover, baby killer, marxists took control of the House and Senate, spending reall got out of control then. Not so much at the start, but now there is no end to it. Tell me, moron, where are we going to get the $1 trillion dollars we need to fund Obama bin Laden care? Can you tell us? Why do you think he wants to cut the tax cuts passed under Bush in 2001 and 2003? He wants to spend that money, overburden the average American taxpayer, rip up the Constitution, and make us such a debtor nation that we’ll never recover. If we did recover, it would take many years in the making. Do you know that we owe China some $10 trillion dollars? That’s more of a debt than any other administration in our history. You igorant fools are just po’d that next month there will be a major shift in power and a major victory for the patriots and God fearing Americans in this country and on this site. You have a clear cut case of crainial rectumitis and need to go to the hospital before it is too late. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • jamie

        Bush should have vetoed all the spending when he was President…congress may bring it to the table but the President has to sign it…and when he does he’s agreeing with it. See President Clinton veto record against the spending GOP congress he had to deal with…bush never vetoed one bill from 2000 thru 2006. Another fact you GOP’ers hate to admit.

        • Bleh

          jamie do you think Obama and your beloved Democrats are blameless?
          If so then Explain why the Obama Administration’s debt is more than every other Administration combined?
          Why have they increased the deficit and the debt when they should have be cutting it back the debt and eliminating the deficit?
          If your heroes were really all that and a bag of chips then why is it a Third Grader’s math skills are superior to this Administration’s?

    • slickporsche

      Please add: and very dumb.

    • alpha-lemming

      Three outta four is still pretty good olduglymean.

  • 45caliber

    Right. It’s all Bush’s fault – despite all the new spending like Oblamacare, stimulus that doesn’t work, etc.

    • HFlashman

      45 … despite the number of times the Big lie is told…facts are facts. The Stimulus did and is working. But then…you don’t want to hear the truth…

      BTW…Health Care Reform is just beginning. The one criticism which i think was error was they knocked out the public option and instead caved in to the GOP and the owners of the GOP ..the health care insurace companies.

      Just thik of the massive shot in the arm this nation would have had knocking out health care costs for employer provided basic health insurance. To me..that alone would save almost $250/employee/month.

      • Craig

        LOl…the stimulus is working? You are such the ignorant liar.

        • Craig

          And whos definition of “working” are we using? I libs? HAHAHHA.
          The economy is still very weak and barely moving into positive territory. Not one thing Oidito has done can be directly tied to any good that is going on in the economy. The fact the the stimulus took HUGE amounts of money and produced minuscule results at best, is not what one would call “working”. So once again, we see you have no clue about reality.

          • Craig

            Oidito should be Oidiot.

          • 45caliber

            What is really sad to me is that IF the stimulus money is working, it is providing jobs paying minimum wage at a cost of millions per job.

          • Bleh

            Craig – They are using Wall-streets definition. Wall-street is doing great with record profits.
            However Mom and Pops are going out of business, unemployment is rising, strip malls are getting stripped and so on….
            These people have their mouths glued to the BS the media spews..

        • Conservatives United

          Craig you shouldn’t call FLASH ignorant. He just can’t help himself, after all he is a product of the LIBERAL LEFT GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS. They do not teach critical thinking, or taking responsibility.

      • slickporsche

        Flashman, who is going to pay for all this??? Where will the money come from? Do you still believe in the “tooth fairy”?

        • HFlashman

          Who’s going to pay for all of this? Every idiot who has voted GOP the past 8 years. And every working person in this country. If I had my way…the only ones who would be paying for all this would be those who voted GOP the past 8 years.

          • http://naver sook young

            We can always take the money out of Obamacare and then there will be plenty to go around. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Teresa

        Please in God’s name tell me HOW the stimulus is working??? And also, common sense if you add millions of more people to mandatory health care reform how on earth is saving money???

        • Teresa

          Oh, I remember….all those monkeys got jacked up on free cocaine…and all those freeways to nowhere…yea thats right…and let’s not forget that the Unions got their fair share.

      • ValDM

        Flashy,
        Yeah, I’m really looking forward to having a gov’t. worker without a medical degree, telling me what kind of care I get. Sounds reasonable, does it?

        • Conservatives United

          It will probably be a ILLEGAL that can’t even SPEAK-A-DA-ENGLISH.

        • HFlashman

          Val…so you’re saying the VA and Medicaid won’t ever see you or your family apply for benefits?

          Quit the lies…you don’t have to tell the truth…that would be too difficult for you, just quit the lies.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Zombie…

      • 45caliber

        flash:

        WHERE is it working? It sure isn’t working around here! In fact, no one can tell that ANY jobs were made or saved – except in the government.

      • alpha-lemming

        An old adage says (still true today): You’ll never know how expensive something really is until you make it free.

    • Marten

      We’ve been warned by Dr Ron Paul…do you remember???

  • slickporsche

    The other problem is the health care is not a problem and is one of the best in the world, however, the insurance industry and the unions are the real culprits,or problem. Oh and don’t leave out the government and their restrictions.

    • Karolyn

      Slick, I knew I could find an answer to your post, because the US does not have one of the best health care systems in the world! The following is from Mercola.com, one of the most respected medical websites online.
      “America ranks 49th in life expectancy worldwide, putting it lower than a dozen other developed nations.

      However, researchers determined that obesity, traffic accidents and a high murder rate may not be the main causes — the U.S. didn’t stand out as doing any worse in these areas than any of the other countries studied.

      Instead, poor health care may be to blame. Factors such as costly specialized and fragmented care are likely playing a large role in the nation’s poor performance.”
      http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/10/25/us-performance-on-life-expectancy-and-health-care-costs.aspx

  • guyb

    What do you mean were out of money,I still have checks….. That in a nutshell is the way the far left democrats think….. Hey were running out of money and I want to spend some more,Oh we can print all we want?? America,we have a flag burning president who is in charge of our fighting men and women who put the lives on the line everyday for our flag… How can this be,isn’t that like putting a drug addict in charge of the fda or muslims in charge of our home land security?America, I believe we have finally awaken to this problem…. I will not let acorn or the black panthers or any other racist group stop me from voting for who I choose to vote for…. NOV is coming….

    • Karolyn

      Who said anybody would interfere with your voting. You are paranoid.

      • Teresa

        why is that being paranoid, fraud happens every single day, the military is not even being allowed to vote and their vote should come first. illegals are being allowed to vote. DNA is being taken from democrats due to fraud.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Karolyn… You have not heard of voter fraud or voter intimidation? It must be great living in your world.

        • Karolyn

          Show me.

          • Brad

            Karolyn,

            You need to see this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU&feature=pyv&ad=3265020430&kw=black%20panther if this isn’t voter intimidation then I don’t know what is.

          • Karolyn

            I watched it Brad and another one. All you have to do is call the cops. This was a case of an arrogant Black Panther. No matter who is doing the intimidating, it is not sanctioned by either party; and again, all you have to do is call the cops. Big deal. It’s sure not as bad as it was in the first quarter to half of the 19th century.

      • 45caliber

        You are not paranoid if people really are out to get you. And we’ve already seen proof that people will go to polls to try to turn people away that won’t vote their way.

      • a progressive nightmare

        I REALLY hope that one of you marxist THUGS attempt to interfere with my voting come November. MUDHOLE stomped in the arse is an understatement.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    It would be easy to restore the Republic and balance the Budget..I guarantee It could be done in less then 2 years too..problem is politics! Corruption! Zombie Americans! Poisened Kool Aide! LOL

    It could be done with the right President & congress in less then 2 years. Can the Fed, End the wars, bring troops home, build a superior defence system, can all forms of welfare, transition off the Soc sec plan, End the Federal Income tax, can the labor board & Board of Education. Simple! :P

    • 45caliber

      It would be a start.

    • Marten

      Yep and the cool-aid is fluoridated….

      • Bleh

        Its is also laced with aspartame I bet.

  • Conservatives United

    FLASH IN THE PAN states that under Bush the country lost 800,000 jobs per month private sector jobs. Lets look at what FLASH IN THE PAN’S numbers really mean. Bush was in office for 8 years. That is 96 months. 96 months X 800,000 jobs per month lost = 76,800,000 total jobs lost. THATS SEVENTY SIX MILLION, EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND JOBS LOST.

    ALL I CAN SAY REALITY IS COMPLETELY LACKING!!!!!!!!!

  • http://none Mike

    Once again I had to read the article then all the comments. Then had to go back and re-read the article:) The defict is the culprit here and I will admit that alot of the problems have stemmed from what both parties have done. That the new conservitive Republicans can see the problem at all gives me some hope for this election. Most people are blind to the fact that you cant spend your way out of debt(try it with your own bank account not mine please)I have to look every day for ways that I can cut my own spending to make what I have last from week to week much less at the end of the year. Thats just basic economics you cant spend what you dont have. Many in congress and senate have forgotten this basic princple. Their answer is lets just borrow and print more (makes sense in fairy world). This in turn lowers the real time value of our currancies by the power of 10x the amount that is printed. We must come to our senses somewhere and cutting spending is just the start. As for social security it was originally put into a lock box for a reason. Now our poloticians have pried the lid off the box and steadly empited it for their own use. To you or I that would land us in jail for theft.Just like with any other program though they pry the lids off the box I.E the american taxpayer and economy for use as they see fit(still theft)Untill we reign in this behaviour not support it the economy will still be flat to dead. Get the government out of our pockets,health,bedrooms and lives. Set the tax rates at something susstainable and stop spending what we dont have and then just watch what happens to the economy. Mike L.

    • 45caliber

      If we could do all that, our economy would sky rocket!

      • http://none Mike

        Yea 45 Kinda makes me wonder some days what will happen if we were to have a major disaster here in the U.S.Not talking something like Katrina(and we see how good the goverment handled that one) I am talking really major Imagin the fallout from a haiti sized quake in California or god forbid a nuclear device going off in one of our major cities. With all the debt we have now that would collaps us. Just a point to ponder for thoes here that see this deficit spending as such a great and wonderful thing. Mike L.

        • 45caliber

          Yeah, I know.

          I once sat down and tried to determine what to do with the debt. And I came up with the following: 1) pay if off (yeah, right!) 2) declare bankruptcy (and the courts would give most of the US to other countries), 3) pay it off with the bonds we own in other governments (don’t expect them to pay, though), 4) repudiate it (see 2), 5) have a civil war (looking more likely every day), and 6) dissolve the country like the USSR did (possible).

          Take your choice. I don’t see any other ways.

          • http://none Mike

            45, I dont see it as bleek as you do though I undestand the feeling. as to answers here are a few.1)Do away with all unconstitutal spending I.E any department not provided for in the constitution.2Welfare means testing. By this I mean if you are not physicaly handicaped and are capeable of providing for yourself be phased off welfare within a 6 month period(also drug testing)I feel somewhat it is our duty to help the ones Really not capeable of helping themselves. Though alot more could be done by community outreach than goverment in this area.3) Stop all forigen aid (handouts)other than disaster relief. And alot of that could be cut back by real oversight as to where the monies actually go.4) End dependence on forigen oil by exploting our own home grown resources. Not the current adminastrations GREEN Dream of windmills and electric everything.(I could write a whole book on this subject but not really sure I could sell it )5)Secure our borders now and find a humane way of dealing with the illegals here now( Another book of ways to deal with this includeing deportation and quicker reviews of current applications for citizenship)6)Return powers origanally given to the states too the states via a 10th amendment commity I think these steps could go a very long way in returning us to solvancy(Not easy at least a 10 year plan but doable with the right persons in power) Just my thoughts on it and thanks for your input 45 Mike L.

          • 45caliber

            mike:

            I’m not saying that we couldn’t pay off the debt; I’m saying that our politicians won’t since they couldn’t have all that money to use buying votes. Otherwise I agree with you.

            But consider: It takes three things to make a viable country. 1) population 2)raw materials 3)military

            What part(s) of our country would have all three? Texas and …

          • http://none Mike

            Well Most of the southern states anyway we have coal and some oil here in Tn.natural gas as well :)A little lighter note imagin the wind power from one political speech or the natural gas we could harvest from the house and senate:)

          • Craig

            But Mike, if we cut out all foreign spending, who will rebuild the mosques and show African men how to properly wash their private parts? This is pure evil

          • http://none Mike

            Exactly Craig :)

  • dahni uru

    You may not like the bell shaped curve, but it works the way scientists, mathematicians and economists believe it works. I’ll hold to what I say about human attributes on the bell shaped curve. I would like to think that I could skew the attributes to the right and eliminate the lower 16% where the attribute hurts those both in that category as well as the upper 84%. Go here to see what I am referring to overall: http://www.tafinn.com/andyfinn-us/Writing/personal_development/important_human_attributes.htm
    Consider a few attributes, such as: Commitment, Respect, Honesty, Empathy, Fairness, Helpfulness, Pride, Resourcefulness, Intentionality (Motivation), Self-Responsibility
    None of these are subject to philosophical or political or social manipulation, IMO. I wish I could feel that it isn’t so, but all my experiences support my position. My main point is that we must support our civilization in such a way that it will support us. I believe that if we spent as much money and energy supporting the upper 84% (per individual) as we do in supporting the lower 16%(per individual), we would have much better return to civilization as a whole.

  • dahni uru

    Consider the distribution of the human trait of ‘willingness to work’. Maybe 6% show a very strong willingness to work; and find satisfaction in the process and the product of the labor. The next 10% are willing to work, but it’s not the most important thing in their lives. The middle 68% know they have to work in order to survive, and know that they are responsible for their own survival. However, they do not identify themselves by their jobs. They work to earn money to enable them to buy stuff that enriches their lives.
    The next 10% find the requirement to work to be onerous and frustrating. They would much rather let someone else support them while they enjoy life. They will work for short periods of time, because as soon as they earn a little money they need to take time from work to spend it.
    Finally we have the 6% least interested in working. They will be lazy and irresponsible under even the most dire circumstances.
    There is no way that the government can get the least responsible 16% to do more than seek free support. But they will vote for anyone who promises to support them.
    A lot of people in the middle 68% will also vote for anyone who will guarantee their job security first, irrespective of other possible needs such as National Security.

    • Karolyn

      Where did you get your stats from Dahni?

  • Miriam

    I would like to share few quotations with you all:
    “The world is mada of people who never quite get into the first team and who just miss the prizes at the flower show”

    “A reputation once broken may possibly be repaired, but the worl will always keep their eyes on the spot where the cdacks was”

    “He who would climb to a lofty height must go by steps no leaps”

    I already voted and I am proud that I did. Let take them out.

    My LOVE and GOD Blessings to you all and may GOD Bless THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    Miriam

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    Yeah: And one of the first things we’ll do is eliminate the so-called
    fund the first lady enjoys. Would you believe that the information I have received shows that she has a budget and staff exceeding $6,000,000./year! That’s got to stop.

    Also, where does “President” Obama get the justification for spending the government’s time, personnel and equipment for a “personal” agenda, namely campaigning for his own personal political party. He wasn’t elected to go campaigning around the country. Get back to the oval office bud and “try” to do your job.

    Draper

    • 45caliber

      He hasn’t done that yet. How can you say he needs to get back to doing it?

    • Bleh

      Please let Obama continue to flit around the country campaigning. If he is doing that, then he won’t be signing legislation detrimental to this poor country of ours.

  • Miriam

    Some errors in the quotations. I do not know why this occur.
    “The world is made of people who never quite get into the first team and who just miss the prizes at the flower show”

    “A reputation once broken may possibly be repaired, but the world will always keep their eyes on the spot where the cracks was”

    I am looking forward to Tusday!

    GOD BLESS AMERICA!

  • Miriam

    A message to our President:
    We the people are demanding for you to do your job and yea; Yes we can take Our Country back.

    Words just words, but empty words.

    We need a Commander on Chief not a Campaigner on Chief.

    May GOD Bless Us all and THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA;

    Miriam

  • http://none Mike

    45 I left a reply up top there for you see if you follow my thinking on this. Mike L.

  • babybikerbabe

    WOW – I wish people on the far left could recognize that not everyone who disagrees with them is a Republican. Many are, but not all. And, I also wish they understood economics better AND how government really works.

    In defense of Obama – he does not spend money. He has no power to allocate a dime. Congress and Senate appropriate and spend. So Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush nor Obama are doing the spending.

    They can promote programs and bills – absolutely. They can voice their preferences and use their political clout to “get what they want” – no doubt. But it’s our “career” politicians who have been expanding their reach both into our lives and our pocketbooks.

    I recommend going out and seeing “I Want Your Money”. A newly released documentary that compares and contrasts Reaganomics to Obamanomics. Quite interesting and completely factual. Non-partisan with great cartoons that poke fun at both sides. This is a conservative perspective for certain, but the facts speak for themselves.

    While you’re at the movies, don’t miss “Waiting for Superman”. This expose’ on our public education system is a clear example of throwing good money after bad. Adjusted for inflation, the average cost per student has more than doubled since the 1950′s. Our drop out rate has conversely increased something like 1500%. MONEY is not the answer to everything and our public education system is a prime example.

    I struggle with how to create the balance between capitalism – which I love and know to be the BEST economic model, especially for the individual – and corporate greed. It is the “I Want More”s that have created the “need” for government oversight and regulation. And why is that? I offer that it stems from individual moral decay and a system that is overly concerned with being “fair”.

    I’ve read every spiritual writing out there – I cannot find “fair” in any of them. If you do, show me. “Fair” is a concept of those who want you to believe that you deserve what your neighbor has without putting forth the time, effort or sacrifice to achieve it. Equal opportunity should be the focus, not equal outcome.

    Smaller-limited government, fiscal responsibility, personal accountability, less regulation and daily intrusion into our lives. That is all many of us desire. Add to that the knowledge that we are leaving this world BETTER than it was when we came into it.

    Yes, the Reagan years were good and properous for the majority of Americans. But we have to go all the way back to FDR to see when the runaway train left the station.

    Read more – get the facts – and don’t believe it because someone said it. Verify, confirm, question.

    A good day to you all.

    • http://none Mike

      Baby, I hope you go back and check this post for comments. Because its a good one in my opinion. George Bushes compashonit conservitism was a bad thing in alot of ways for he comprmized what I think were his origanal core beliefs and values for acceptance in the washington crowd. Not only did this lead to things like the growing of the welfare state and Tarp1.But a further slide twords what conservitives fight against most socialisim. As for corprate greed creating the need for regulation I have to agree in some ways. But it also leads down that slippery sslope as well. I think there is a diffrence between regulation and Overregulation. This also swung the doors wide open for graft such as donating to a politican for favorable regulation laws. Thus putting the bought polition in the pocket of the corperation. We see this in the case of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac and the banking industry as a whole. To give you just one example of this check the intrest rates at your local title pawn shop and some of your credit card compines (title pawns up to 200% in some cases and most credit cards with shifty intrest rate ploys can go as high as 100%)When people started to give an outcry about this as being preditory they went to their local politition and cried foul. What happend? Its now leagle for them to charge these rates(for a cut I am sure)and the people took it in the shorts. So yes by all means regulate but make it fair across the bord. Not so many years ago this was called Loan Sharking and people went to jail for it.Now with the polititons involved its just become good buisness pratice. Thanks for the well thought out comments and for seeing it for what it is sometimes (the 2 headed beast called goverment)Mik L.

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