Republican ‘Leaders’ Cave Again

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The dirty deal has been done. By a “bipartisan” vote of 81-18, the U.S. Senate on Wednesday afternoon approved a bill to raise the debt ceiling and end the partial shutdown of the Federal government. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the Republican leader in the Senate, joined Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) in crafting the compromise.

Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who led the battle to defund Obamacare, said that he would not try to prevent a vote on the measure. I’m sure he and his colleagues in this fight, especially Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), have gotten tired of being portrayed as “terrorists” and “extremists,” even by people in their own party, as they tried to fight for principle.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) wasted no time in waving the white flag of surrender. He said there was simply no point in continuing the battle. “We fought the good fight; we just didn’t win,” he said. He later added, “There’s no reason for our members to vote ‘no’ today.” Later that evening, the House passed the Senate bill by a vote of 285-144.

Barack Obama couldn’t help chortling. The President said he would sign the legislation as soon as it reached his desk, adding: “We’ll begin reopening the government immediately.”

The measure allows the government to continue borrowing money, but just through Feb. 7. You can bet that the Obama Administration will blow past the $17 trillion debt ceiling in a matter of days (if not hours). But it won’t be able to continue the spending spree after Feb. 7, unless and until they can get Congress to agree to raise the debt ceiling again.

The measure also funds all of government, including Obamacare, as the President demanded — but only until Jan. 15. The measure requires House and Senate negotiators to get together and produce a longer-term budget and deficit-reduction plan. They have until Dec. to wave their magic wands and conjure up something both sides can support.

So is this the ignominious defeat for conservatives that it’s being portrayed by the left? Not on your life! All this compromise has done is kick the can down the road for a bit. Boehner himself acknowledged this when he said: “I know this isn’t everything we want, but we’re going to live to fight another day.”

The battle isn’t over — not by a long shot.

Meanwhile, let me mention two events this past weekend that dramatically illustrate the huge gulf dividing this country. One was a glimpse of the best of our past; the other was a frightening look at a possible future.

The encouraging one took place on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., where White House operatives have tried repeatedly to shut down the World War II memorial. Once again, some elderly members of the Greatest Generation stormed the barricades that had been erected to keep them out. They were joined by younger veterans of more recent conflicts, many of them marching on prosthetic limbs.

Not only did they push the barricades aside, in a marvelous demonstration of a “we’ve had enough” spirit, they carried them down the street and stacked them up in front of the White House. One marcher stuck a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag in the ground. Another added a hand-painted sign, “Return to Sender.”

Aren’t you delighted to see people refusing to put up with the petty shenanigans of our would-be masters, who want to make the government’s partial shutdown as painful as possible?

That is the feel-good story I wanted to share. The other one is not nearly as uplifting. It took place in Louisiana, where thanks to a computer glitch, people using the debit cards that have replaced food stamps — the electronic benefits transfer system — suddenly found that their cards had no spending limits.

Rather than refuse to let people use them, several Wal-Mart stores decided to put people on the honor system and let them use the cards for their usual purchases. Fat chance. You can guess what happened next.

Dozens of people raced through the stores, pushing two and even three shopping carts. They stripped the shelves of as many goodies as they could stuff into their carts, then headed for the check-out counters.

Only a few of them made it through the lines and out the store, however, before the glitch was corrected and credit limits were restored. When that happened, most of the disappointed shoppers simply abandoned their goody-laden carts and walked out of the store.

Isn’t that a perfect example of the greedy rapaciousness that our entitlement society has produced? You won’t be surprised to learn that a lot of the food stamp recipients were furious when they learned that they weren’t going to get away with all the loot they wanted to grab.

Before I close, let me remind you of some recent history that the mainstream media has been ignoring.

First, despite the fact that Federal law requires Congress to pass a budget every year, the Democrats who control the Senate have refused to approve one for the past five years. And don’t blame this on that obstreperous Republican majority in House; that’s only existed for the past two-and-a-half years. Prior to 2010, Democrats controlled a majority in both the House and Senate, and they still refused to approve a budget.

Second, it’s simply not true that it was the refusal of House Republicans to approve any spending bills that led to the current partial shutdown of the Federal government. In point of fact, the House repeatedly passed legislation to fund every single Federal program, with one exception: Obamacare.

But early on, Obama and his advisers decided on an “all or nothing” strategy. They refused to budge an inch. There would be absolutely no give and take this time around. In fact, for most of the prolonged controversy, they refused to even meet with the Republican leadership. Is it any wonder that things have been at an impasse for the past month or two?

And when Republicans finally threw in the towel and decided to give the Democrats almost everything they had been demanding, guess what? Obama demanded even more.

Yes, now that he thinks the Republicans are on the ropes, Obama is demanding that the budget cuts he himself proposed two years ago — the ones now known as sequestration — must be rolled back.

By the way, isn’t it interesting that during the debate over defunding Obamacare — an incredibly unpopular law that was crammed down our throats without a single vote in its favor by any Republican — Obama and his supporters insisted that no changes would be allowed. It’s the law of the land, they said, passed by Congress and signed by the President.

But sequestration is also the law of the land, passed by Congress and signed by the President. The big spenders in Washington don’t like the limits it places on them, so of course it should be changed, if that’s what they want.

Does anyone detect a little bit of hypocrisy here?

Have all the posturing and politicking over the past few weeks accomplished anything positive? Well, yes. According to the latest opinion polls, a majority of voters now want to kick all of the politicians in Washington out of office.

Sadly, it’s highly unlikely that they’ll still feel this way 14 months from now, when they will actually have an opportunity to do precisely that — at least for every member of the House and one-third of the Senate.

Oh, sure. There would be a few guys (and gals) I’d miss, if by some miracle that happened. And we’d probably even get a whole new group of baddies trying to spend us into bankruptcy.

But it sure is a delightful fantasy, isn’t it?

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Personal Liberty

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Harold Olsen

    Of course the GOP “leadership” caved to Obama and the left. That was the plan all along. Anyone who doesn’t know that is a moron. The GOP has become the serf branch of the Democrat party. They do as their masters and their god and messiah tell them to do.

    • FreedomFighter

      At least we have a little more time to get prepared for what is coming, many now not prepared, should do so, the writing is on the wall in bold letters. Buy long term storage food, guns, ammo, water purification, survival gear, then gold and silver, get your money out of paper – if its not in your hand you don’t own it.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • KG

        Do you have any children or grandchildren? Do you tell them “Well, you might as well give up”? Does ‘preparing’ really do anything more than confirm that you are a loser in life and wish for a grand re-set so as to propel yourself towards some kind of world where YOU may be a leader or someone important?

        Yous guys are pathetic.

        • rwm44

          yes i have kids and they know what to do in an emergency how many people out there have no backup water or food or money to flee if the situation turns ugly. much better to be ready than dead. just wait till the next storm knocks out power for a few days you will see who wont last in an emergency

          • FreedomFighter

            Yes, the worst thing that has happened to me about being prepared is that every year when I rotate out canned or packaged goods I take it all to the local food bank or church charity group to feed the homeless and needy.
            I have found no downside to being prepared
            Laus DeoSemper FI

          • KG

            Well, that’s nice. So you give all of the old, puffy, rusted cans of pork-n-beans to the food bank. My, you have the heart of a grinch.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But why haven’t you stopped the poverty so that the food banks don’t exist? You and your Dem/Prog/Leftist ideologues have been promising the nation that if you were given power and a bigger government all poverty and injustice would be abolished. Are you admitting failure?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Good point, Nad.
            We currently have the highest poverty rate since 1967:
            http://dmc122011.delmar.edu/socsci/rlong/data/Inequality/HistoricPovertyTrends.htm

          • KG

            Of course not. Our work has just begun. Ask any older American who depends on Social Security if their poverty has been abolished. Ask any unemployed factory worker if the injustice of their situation is abolished.

            The only failure I see is capitalisms failure.

          • Barakolips

            You liberal boobs are always crying about the poor getting the shaft , why dont you take in some homeless into your home if you feel so sorry for them? You will also need to feed them since they are broke. You wont mind will you? More homeless all the time, here in California, Oh it must be Bush and the Koch brothers fault .Lol!

          • FreedomFighter

            KG you have won this weeks Progressive Liberal Idiot Video Boob AwardDream a little dream of me

            Laus DeoSemper FI

        • FreedomFighter

          I will tell any that will listen:Be Prepared and Never Give Up, cause shtf will happen, just a matter of when, where, what.
          In pages of history it is replete with stories of those that did not prepare and died useless pointless deaths from self delusion.
          Laus DeoSemper FI

        • Nadzieja Batki

          But you are desperate. Aren’t you getting what O promised you? O must be late giving things to you.
          It doesn’t appear as commenters on PLD are stealing anything that O is giving you.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Cagey feigns concern for the Children, while simultaneously mortgaging the futures of those who he hasn’t aborted.
          Evil, KG is thy name.

          • KG

            What? I thought you were a Murray Rothbard free Marketeer?

            quote: But should the mother decide that she does not want the fetus there any longer, then the fetus becomes a parasitic “invader” of her person, and the mother has the perfect right to expel this invader from her domain. Abortion should be looked upon, not as “murder” of a living person, but as the expulsion of an unwanted invader from the mother’s body. Any laws restricting or prohibiting abortion are therefore invasions of the rights of mothers.
            – Murray Rothbard on Abortion

            When you only think about yourself that makes sense. But if you are concerned with the future of our children, I would think that their access to healthcare would be a concern. But for conservatives like you, that right is reserved until they are born. Because at that point, the ‘free market’ takes over.

            And you want to call ME evil?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Abortions have nothing to do with the concept of Free Markets, KGB. But then why should that deter you from saying such nonsense, when nothing else does?

            “1.4 Abortion:
            Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration”.
            http://www.lp.org/platform

            Yes, KGB, you are Evil.
            So, are you saying that you are Pro-Life, Cagey?

          • KG

            “Mourn the dead, fight like hell for the living.” – Mother Jones

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That wasn’t an answer, Cagey.
            What else would I expect from you?
            Of course you can’t answer, because either way I have you.
            This is what you can expect, Folks, when the Socialists have finally taken full control of your lives.

          • S.C.Murf

            you are evil kgb and you will be dealt with at the White Throne Judgement and remember there will be no hiding

            up the hill
            airborne

          • KG

            John 10:25-29
            King James Version (KJV)
            25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
            26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
            27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
            28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
            29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

            Revelation 4:10-11
            King James Version (KJV)
            10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
            11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Cagey boy, I asked you a question.
            Are you saying that you are Pro-Life, Cagey?
            Be a man, Cagey. Answer the question.

          • KG

            I don’t need to answer a question to prove any ‘manliness’ I might have. If anything, my rights as a Man would preclude any confession on my part.

            The Bible mentions two stories of infanticide – one when Moses was being born and the other was when Jesus was being born. G-d never said to stop these “retroactive” abortions. So, if G-d saw it fit to allow such actions without interference in His plans, what make me able to make the same judgement?

            If people were paid decently instead of what the ‘market’ will bear, then more people would be willing to make a family and care for a child.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            In other words, Cagey, you are pro-abortion and you won’t admit it, because then your previous comment will show you to be the colossal hypocrite that you are.
            But not to worry, Cagey, we already know that, so there’s no reason for you not to be honest except that it would be a deviation from your normal behavior.

          • KG

            I’m not being a hypocrite as much as Republicans are hypocritical on the same subject. They profess to be ‘Pro-life’ but when it comes to actually taking care of the baby that’s born, why, then the ‘free market’ takes over. And especially if it’s a minority baby. As long as it’s a fetus, it has ‘rights’. But as soon as its born, sorry, but you will have to fend for yourself. Besides, isn’t ‘Hunger’ a motivator?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More Bat Guano from Cagey.
            If we truly could throw people like Cagey off our backs and get back to Free Markets, the economy would boom. But then the Leaders and their Shills would have to start working for a living. Oh, the horrors!
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • KG

            You are still trying to fit what you believe to what reality is. It will never work. Never has, never will.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More nonsense from Cagey.

    • Bull Frog BoxCutter

      Yes, you are right, but they put on a dog & pony show for awhile, so they can say as the Boehner The Bum said, “we put on a good fight…BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…”…yet, because of MSM, they get all the blame anyway!!

      “There is no middle ground in war” -Winston Churchill & make no mistake this is a war!!!

    • Shorty Stuff

      You are right. Every republican that voted for this betrayed all conservative principles, and are no better than the liberals that are destroying this country. That goes especially for Boehner the Betrayer. He could have single handedly kept the libtards on the ropes and forced a showdown on Obamacare. But he caved like a good little lapdog and licked his master’s boot.

      MOLON LABE

      • smilee

        DREAMER!! He lacked that power and that is what the tea party does not understand, they seem to think they can bully their way to success. This huge defeat for them should wake them up but I’m not sure they are smart enough to realize what they are up against.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          But it has been you Dems/Progs/Leftists and RINOs who have bullied the nation into becoming what you wanted it to be. You have made it a mess. What is funny is that you don’t even like the mess you made otherwise you would be content.

    • smilee

      The wise ones in the GOP understood for the good of the country the tea party destruction had to be stopped so they helped in giving them a good hard spanking and thus the reason for all the whining of the tea party backers on here as they know deep down they got put in their place..

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are wanting that the Tea Party be the scapegoat for what you Dems/Progs/Leftists and RINOs wrought in government.
        But what you are actually doing is making the Tea Party grow and you and your Dems/Progs/Leftists and RINOs are being shunted aside as useless.

        • smilee

          They are to blame so they are not the scapegoat, Dream on silly as that is all you have now!!! They are a dying breed!!

        • Bob666

          Yo Nads,
          every poll from six different polling organization disagree with you on that comment.

    • Liz

      I’m sorry, I have to disagree, I think the Rhinos always planned to agree with O’Bama and Reid but not ALL Republicans. I believe those that finally gave in did so because they cared about our Country’s working people and our rating. The Democrats counted on this and that is why they did what they did. The Progressive Liberals don’t care what happens to us as long as they get their way, just as the Nazi’s brainwashed the German people and took care of the Jews. This Administration plans the same for all moral people and Christians.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Well, you’re close, but the reality is that both the GOP Leaders and the Democrat Leaders serve themselves and their Crony Capitalists. The Republicans have been doing it since the 1850s and the Democrats caught up a few decades later.
      Both parties throw just enough crumbs to the voters to get their votes.

  • vicki

    When it comes to principles there is only 1 good fight and that is the fight you WIN.

    “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no
    vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of
    justice is no virtue!”

    • KG

      This is why Johnson won. If Goldwater was president, we would not be here today.

      • vicki

        Tell that to the millions of children murdered each year in a supposed medical treatment called abortion.

        • KG

          The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword: their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.
          — Hosea 13:16
          You will destroy their descendants from the earth, their posterity from mankind.
          — Psalm 21:10
          Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies. Like a slug melting away as it moves along, like a stillborn child, may they not see the sun.
          — Psalm 58:3, 8
          E’phraim’s glory shall fly away like a bird — no birth, no pregnancy, no conception! Even if they bring up children, I will bereave them till none is left. Woe to them when I depart from them!
          — Hosea 9:11-12, RSV
          Give them, O LORD — what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. E’phraim is stricken, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit. Even though they bring forth, I will slay their beloved children.
          — Hosea 9:14, 16, RSV

  • peter

    This is nothing more than another soap opera! There are quite a few candidates for Oscars here! Hang in there – the next episode is a humdinger!

  • WTS/JAY

    Obama administration caught in blatant software piracy; script powering Healthcare.gov ripped off from UK company….Friday, October 18, 2013

    by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
    Editor of NaturalNews.com

    The Obama administration has been caught red-handed engaged in software piracy. Computer code used on Healthcare.gov was stolen (and then modified in an effort to conceal the theft) from a UK company called Spry Media.

    To my best knowledge, this story was broken by WeeklyStandard.com in a blog authored by Jeryl Bier.

    The computer code that was stolen is called DataTables, and it is exclusively provided under a GPL v2 license which requires anyone who uses the software code to keep the copyright notice visible in the code itself. This allows the original author of the code to receive attribution for creating it.

    An analysis of the code running Healthcare.gov reveals that the Obamacare development team maliciously removed the copyright notice and credit attributions from the code while copying and using the rest of the code. In the field of journalism, this would be called “plagiarism.” In the field of computer software, it’s called “piracy” according to the U.S. government.

    Here’s an image capture of the copyright notice which is supposed to remain in the code: http://www.naturalnews.com/042564_Obamacare_software_piracy_computer_code.html

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Since when is Government held accountable for breaking its own laws? Laws are for us peons.

  • KG

    There is no hypocrisy in Politics. As Maciavelli noted almost 500 years ago:

    If men were all good, it would be good to keep faith with them, but as they are all bad, and would not keep faith with you, you are not bound to keep faith with them.

    • FreedomFighter

      Isaiah 26:3-4
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • HueyDude

        Not all powerful men are good, bu tthose that have power receive such power from only one.
        Daniel 2:37-38, Daniel 4:25, John 19:10-12.

      • KG

        Ezekiel 23:20
        King James Version (KJV)
        20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.l

  • jerry1944

    There sure is a lot in the gop that for sure don’t care about the ppl. Like about 81 I think. But the ppl don’t care if the ppl they vote for cares about the country it looks like. But comes eletion time I guess we will see. But so many ppl don’t remember how there candidate voted and listen to the lies of how they are going to fix a problem. When really its the name and job the lie to get

  • Dale DuBois

    Mitch McConnell traded our future for what he received for Kentucky.

    • Buxom Betty

      Yeah, but Cruz, Lee & Paul are the dangerous ones!!! Alas,There must be a catastrophe, a real purging & intense economic suffering for these venal paradigms to finally be laid to rest!!

      “There’ll be no mutant enemy we shall certify, political ends as sad remains will die.” – Jon Anderson of YES, from the album, “Close to the Edge”, 1973

      • Don 2

        Before you start calling Cruz, Lee, and Paul dangerous, try coming to grips with how close you are to that edge, Betty Boop.

        • Buxom Betty

          No you misunderstood, I was being sarcastic…I love those guys & hate the McConells of the GOP!!

          • Don 2

            My apology Betty.

  • John

    The tea party extortionists lost and rightly so. Ted Cruz and the rest of you extremists owe the country 24 billion dollars for the money you have cost the country. I hope you will be writing a check soon.

    • laboop

      You commie POSs owe us 7 trillion+ dollars obama, reid, pelosi stole from the country – I hope you choke on obamacare.

      • John

        Sore LOSER! lol

        • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

          Hey, to you & all the LOONY TUNE LIBS…though you treat govt. spending as though it was with Monopoly money, this is NOT A GAME!! Sooner or later the crap will hit the fan & you or your equally brainwashed progeny will suffer as China takes over the world’s economy!!

          • John

            Then why was the GOP acting like children playing a game, didn’t get their way and held the country hostage?

          • Don 2

            You’re the hostage nitwit, and Obamacare is your cage!

          • John

            Calling me names and violating the site’s policy does change what the extremists in the GOP did. I think reigning in how much insurance copanies can fleece you and not being turned down for private insurance is a good thing. Also not laboring emergency rooms with the uninsured is also a good thing.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Poor little sensitive Dem/Prog/Leftist is being called a nitwit and it hurts his little feelings. It doesn’t bother you more that you are stupid.

          • Bob666

            Well nads,
            does it bother you that mentally, you dwell on another planet?

          • WTS/JAY

            Don’t you have anything better to do than stalk women, Bob?

          • Bob666

            I don’t stalk anyone Jay,

            I could ask you if don’t have anythng better to do than stalk Smilee

          • John

            Nah, I just consider the source.

          • Don 2

            Merriam-Webster – Nitwit: A scatterbrained or stupid person. I wasn’t calling you names, I was simply stating a fact.

            Think you’re going to reign in how much the government can fleece you?

            Did you know that Obama waved the maximum co-pay for the first year?

            Did you know that many hospitals and doctors are already demanding full co-pay before treatment?

            Did you know that some individual co-pays are $4,000.00 or more?

            Did you know that healthcare has gone up in 45 states because of Obamacare?

            Do you know anything? Yes, you do. You now know who is a nitwit.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “extremists”
            “acting like children”
            “LOSER!”
            “Moronic, selfish, arrogant, authoritarian”
            “extortionists”

            Just a few of the names called by our sweet innocent John.

          • John

            Well, like most conservatives, you don’t bother to put those words into context.

            The GOP who shut down the Gov are extremists judging by their current approval rating and what they have done.

            When you don’t have the votes to repeal, you shut down the Gov to defund…. Childish…

            “LOSER” That comment was made after I was attacked… I should not be allowed to defend myself DaveH? Only you are allowed to attack? Is that it?

            “”Moronic, selfish, arrogant, authoritarian”- I call it like it is…. That is Cruz and Co to a tee…
            “extortionists”…. When you shut down the Gov because you don’t have the votes to repeal and you demand defunding ACA and then you will fund the Gov…. Sounds like extortion to me. What is that called in your world DaveH?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re a hypocrite, John. Own it.

          • John

            Where in my posts am I a hypocrite DaveH. Do tell

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            John says — “Also not laboring emergency rooms with the uninsured is also a good thing”.
            Who do you think pays for those people under Obamacare, John? Manna from Heaven?
            As a result of the Moral Hazard created by perceived Freebies, even more people will flood the already overtaxed hospitals looking for care on the most benign ailments and injuries. And, of course, rationing will be the inevitable result. So the people who actually do the paying will have to compete with the parasites to seek treatment.

    • denise0513

      Thank you so much! I didn’t know standing up for the American people was considered extortion. Thank you for the education.

      I left the democratic party years ago. I refuse to affiliate myself with ANY party. I vote on the person who best stands up for the Constitution of the United States and I can honestly say I have yet to find a democrat that does just that! If that makes me a “Teabagger”, let’s make TEA!
      This shutdown, which democrats have blamed entirely on the republicans, did not have to happen. Obama and the democrats are the ones to blame. They refused to vote on some of the appropriation bills sent over to the senate and when they did vote, they voted it down, simply because they wanted ALL or NOTHING! They voted for nothing and then sold it as the republicans failing to negotiate. It seems to me that Obama (the empty chair) and the democrats (empty heads) REFUSED to negotiate! It seems not only have some bought the BS from the democrats, but they have consumed it as well!
      I wonder if it will take much effort on the part of the democrats to make people buy the “Let’s hand the country to the illegal aliens”. aka immigration reform. John, I sure hope your job is secure and your healthcare is what you like for once this bill is forced down our throats, you will get to pay for the health insurance of these illegals and maybe even be forced out of a job by them as well!

      • John

        If this shutdown was on Democrats in ANY way… What were Democrats holding hostage in order to keep the Gov funded? 400B dollars in defense spending cuts? Ending 35B a year in big agro subsidies? 4B dollars a year in Big Oil subsidies. Nope… The GOP held this country hostage because of funding a law that was constitutional and passed by Congress and signed by the president. The only “negotiation” here was how much the Dems were going to hive up. The GOP were not giving up a thing. This whole mess was caused by your side’s zealots. Your side has no credibility when it comes to smaller gov or fiscal responsibility

        • rwm44

          John the first house proposal was to fund the whole govt except obozocare ,but reid and obozo said they will not negotiate .how can the dems not be responsible

          • John

            You said it right there…. The House was willing to fund the gov ( the responsible and right thing o do) if the Dem’s ok defunding ACA (Dem Loss)

            So what I said was correct, the GOP held this country hostage unless the defund a law that was passed.

          • rwm44

            john obozocare is not the same law/tax that was voted on and passed why wont the left let the original tax loose on the public what are they affraid of

          • John

            Dance all you want, make up unsupported items about why the GOP held this country hostge all you wish. Most people know it was the extremists in the GOP that are responsible.

          • smilee

            You cannot pass bills that do not have a snow ball chance in hell of becoming law and say we did our part now you either do as we say and we give you nothing. else. The house GOP refuse to go to conference with the senate and you cannot negotiate without meeting with the senate.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          There was no need for the shutdown which actually costs the Government more money:
          http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2013/0930/Federal-shutdown-won-t-save-taxpayers-money.-It-will-cost-them.-video
          It was purely theatrics to alarm and manipulate an ignorant populace who somehow think that our situation will become less dangerous by adding even more debt to the balance sheet.
          And the main problem with John’s thinking (or lack of) is that this fiasco isn’t a “my side, your side” thing. All of us, except the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists, are being screwed.
          There are many ways in which both “sides” are being stripped of their wealth by the PTBs. To get some education about Economic reality, read this:
          http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

        • denise0513

          I guess you missed the part where I said I had no political affiliation, since you insist on saying “your side’s”. You must have also missed the part where the House funded the ENTIRE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, minus obamacare and that bill got voted down by the democratic senate and if it hadn’t Obama promised to veto. but feel free to blame the “other” side. You have learned well from your lord and master Oblamebush. What part of the Constitution confuses you about the power of the purse strings? For years, the House has influenced how much funding is given to anything. Oh, that’s right. Oblamebush is in office so he should get everything he wants, just like the spoiled child!

          • rwm44

            never heard that “oblamebush” but love it

          • denise0513

            Isn’t that what he does best?

          • John

            Really? I see someone was watching Hannidy the other day.

            Obama gets everything he wants? Really?

            How about a cold dose of reality?

            “Overall, President Obama’s judicial nominees wait an average of 116 days on the Senate floor for a vote, according to the White House, more than three times longer than President George W. Bush’s judicial nominee average wait time of 34 days.”

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/how-controversial-are-president-obamas-judicial-nominees/

            Use of the Filibuster

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/the-history-of-the-filibuster-in-one-graph/2012/05/15/gIQAVHf0RU_blog.html

            Thanks to blocks by the GOP in the Senate.
            But according to you, Obama gets everything he wants….
            The House has blocked everything from jobs blls, to gun safety measures to immigration reform.
            Why you can make your statements…. they have little to do with fact or reality.

          • denise0513

            First of all, it is Hannity and I don’t watch any mainstream media!
            When I stated he wanted ALL or NOTHING, I was referring to government funding and the debt ceiling. Please don’t try to tell me he didn’t get all he wanted with this latest financial go round. Here’s a little REALITY for you! He got the government funded. He got Obamacare funded and he got complete control of the debt ceiling, like he wanted. The American people got SCREWED! He gave up NOTHING! We didn’t get ANY cuts in the budget! He gets an exemption for his own damn healthcare plan, which does NOT bring down healthcare costs but does provide more money to insurance companies. Congress doesn’t have to have it either. Big businesses got a one year delay and the everyday American got it shoved down his throat!

            “Gun safety”. Are you serious? He wants to remove our right to bear arms. He and the democrats call it safety and people like you suck it up!

            “Jobs bill” Maybe another “shovel ready” plan that doesn’t exist and probably never did! (talk about a waste of taxpayer dollars)

            “Immigration reform” You must be referring to his “allow illegals to stay and get on a pathway to citizenship”. I say NO! I don’t believe in rewarding bad behavior. I didn’t reward my kids when they were bad and yet this idiot and his cronies want to reward illegals at the expense of legal Americans. They go around preaching about how their plan will be good for the economy and increase wages. Please do the math for me. 20+ million LEGAL Americans looking for work. Add 11+ (probably more like 20+) million illegals. Yep. Your chances of getting that job just got a whole lot slimmer. Due to the fact that there would now be over 30 million people trying to get that job, the employer now says, “$7.25 per hour. Take it or leave it.” He can do this as he knows damn well that someone in that line will take it. Please explain how that increases wages. I keep hearing that illegals do the jobs Americans won’t do. I say BULL! I know young men who would love the job in construction but can’t get one as the illegals have them. Now, if they do the jobs Americans won’t do, that must mean they are low paying. Come tax time, they would get the Earned Income Tax Credit. Sure, let’s just hand them more taxpayer money. Then there is obamacare. Illegals out on a pathway would not be counted in the employee count for businesses. You don’t think the employer would not give the job to one of them rather than a Legal American just so their employee count would be low? Illegals do not have to pay for obamacare. Legal Americans have to pay for obamacare. when it comes to ILLEGAL ALIENS, I say they need to go! If one knocks on the door, requests permission to enter, pays all the fees, waits their turn and then assimilates, by all means, Welcome to the USA. If one refuses to knock on the door and request entry but enters through a backdoor or open window, they have committed breaking and entering and should pay the price. They have NO RIGHT to come here and DEMAND anything of us!

            About that “fact or reality” statement. I think it is time for you to come out of Obama’s butt and catch some air or maybe it is already too late for you!

          • John

            I give facts, you give GOP bumpersticker talking points

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        For Free Markets, Limited Government, Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, and the PEACE which comes naturally with those — Vote Libertarian.
        http://www.lp.org/
        http://www.lp.org/platform

    • patsch13

      Is that all you have, John? Let’s review what this administration won’t do to bring the economy back:
      – after $600 million to set up a website, it still doesn’t work. It was budgeted for $168 million, and premiums are not saving anyone money

      – no energy independence–which would provide full-time jobs
      – ObamaCare has caused employer hesitancy because no one knows anything about it–including the dems that unanimously voted for it
      – pumping the economy with $86 billion dollars every month–that will eventually lead to hyper-inflation, and that hurts everyone, but mostly seniors and savers
      – how about raising the debt ceiling, after 5 years of not generating a budget? What the hell’s that all about John?

      Grow up son, you have a lot to learn–oh, and stop using the democrat talking (attack) points. It makes you sound small-minded.

      • John

        Hmmmm standard attack points? You mean the ones you are using? Grow up… The adults got the gov funded as it should have been all along. Stop whining and try to convince the majority that the tea party are not just a bunch of extremists. Win a national election. Then you can get your way crybaby.

        • hippybiker

          I won’t be nasty, John. I will just ask you a simple question. Have you been grocery shopping lately?

          • John

            Why yes I have. GOP and Democrats, conservatives and liberals have all participated in selling out this country. Reagan did it with tax cut and spend policy and deregulation. Clinton also did it with his deregulation/trade policy.

            Who pays congress to pass the trade laws, tax loopholes, the deregulation so the banks, mortgage firms and Wall Street can screw this country? The wealthy and corp interests do.

            Your hero Ted “24B ad campiagn for Ted” Cruz certainly didn’t care about deficits when he signed on to the Iraq war that will cost this country 3T dollars when its all said and done, nor the Bush tax cuts during two wars that robbedthe treasury of over 1.7T jobs.

            Our HC system works really well if you have a great deal of money. Its broken and needed to be fixed. The ACA is not perfect but it does reign in costs over the long term. And for that law, the GOP and their extremist allies held this country hostage. The GOP are in the wrong. Ted Cruz on cares about Ted Cruz. Wise up and get over yourself

          • John

            1.7T dollars, I mean… The Bush tax cuts yielded few jobs.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “deregulation”? You haven’t got the slightest clue what you’re talking about, John. We haven’t had “deregulation”. There are just different regulations. And, as always, they are created to favor certain Crony Capitalists against their Market Capitalist competitors (those who survive by pleasing their consumers).
            http://www.scribd.com/doc/144210931/Wayne-Crews-Ten-Thousand-Commandments-An-Annual-Snapshot-of-the-Federal-Regulatory-State-2013

          • John

            Oh I understand now…. so you think an act like the Gramm-Leech-Biley Act is an “addition to” not a subtraction of regulation. I see…. well… That’s a nice sophomoric attempt but no cigar.
            Crony Capitalists? You mean the GOP and Democratic parties as a whole right? I hate to break it to you… Ted Cruz is just as guilty of Crony Capitalism, as is Michelle Bachmann and the rest of the tea party fringe. They just happen to get paid by those you agree with.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Crony Capitalists can only receive special privileges from the Government. As Government shrinks it is less able to give them that special protection and privileges. So while Ted and Michelle could be Crony Politicians, the fact that they want to shrink Government makes it less likely.
            The Glass Steagall Act was a political move by the Rockefeller group to hobble the Morgan group. For the full story read:
            http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf
            starting at page 308 — “BANKING AND FINANCIAL LEGISLATION: 1933–1935″.
            “The Banking Act of 1933 had three major provisions: (1) the compulsory separation of commercial and investment banking; (2) the provision of federal “insurance” to guarantee all bank deposits; and (3) prohibiting commercial banks from paying interest on their demand deposits. The compulsory separation clauses (a) severely restricted commercial banks from buying securities—except, cleverly, that government securities were exempt from this restriction; (b) prohibited commercial banks from issuing, underwriting, selling, or distributing any securities (again, government securities were exempt); and (c) prohibited any investment bank, that is, a bank that does underwrite corporate securities, from ever accepting any deposits”.

            There has been no solid evidence that the elimination of the part of the act that restricted commercial and investment banking at an institution had anything at all to do with the banking collapse.
            http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=216%20

          • John

            All that Mises crap aside so you agree, Ted and Michelle are the same kind of crony capitalists… Good… Ted is paid by big oil, defense and the big banks if you look at who funds his election…
            Interesting that Cruz does not call for the end to oil subsidies, cuts in the defense budget (the largest single expenditure) or and end to farm subsidies (35B a year)
            Why is that DaveH?
            Any idiot can say “I want smaller Gov” but unless they can fully explain what that looks like as far as what programs, roles get cut… when then they are just an idiot repeating talking points someone else gave them.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            John says — “All that Mises crap aside so you agree, Ted and Michelle are the same kind of crony capitalists”.
            Obviously your reading comprehension is not good, John. Maybe that’s why you are so ignorant.
            I said they “could be”.
            And when are you Liberal Progressives going to wise up and quit with your Argumentum ad Hominem, like “All that Mises crap aside”? When you make statements like that, you show your ignorance to anybody with half-a-brain.

          • John

            You first DaveH. Lead the way.

          • Cliffystones

            I’d find it amusing just watching him try to touch his nose :))

        • Nadzieja Batki

          If the government is funded as you say, then why are you on this site commenting as if it isn’t. You don’t believe O and his handlers.

        • patsch13

          I haven’t seen you note anything that this administration and the “winner” of the election has done to improve the economy. What do you have? Anything? The winner is losing his mojo–and his approval ratings. They’ve been falling precipitously.

          The tea party politicians are doing what they said they would do when campaigning for office–unlike the campaign promises your President said he would. Does growing the economy, creating jobs and relieving middle class tax burden ring a bell? How about decreasing the cost of health care? C’mon John, I’m begging you to show me something that has improved our country’s economy.

          How about our standing in the world, and the peace President Poser was going to broker around the world. You have to admit his foreign policy has been a failure, and that due to his inconsistency, we are viewed as weaker to our enemies and allies.

          • John

            1) When Obama took office, this country was bleeding 400000 jobs a month. After the stimulus was put in place, the bleeding stopped and now we are adding jobs.

            2) He put in new consumer protections against predatory lending and credit schemes.

            3) he funded companies like Tesla, and in the case of that company, they are getting set to revolutionize the auto business.

            “If the current laws that govern federal taxes and spending do not change, the budget deficit will shrink this year to $642 billion”

            http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil…-Baseline2.pdf

            wait! what?!? 642 billion? That is less than half of Bush’s 1.4 trillion dollar budget deficit. So the Repubs were threatening to destroy the economy with default not to reduce the deficit but to reduce it faster? But deficit reduction was their back up excuse to destroy the economy with default. Their first excuse to destroy the economy with default was to defund Obamacare. Well I guess Obamacare cant be that bad if they had to go to their back up excuse.

            So, President Obama has reduced the deficit every year and maintained positive GDP and Repubs are not happy? mmmm, that just doesn’t make any sense. Lets look at Bush’s last budget with President Obama’s first four as a % of GDP.

            Fiscal year_______2009___2010___2011___2012___ 2013(est)
            Total Revenues___ 15.1____15.1___ 15.4___ 15.8___16.9
            Total Outlays_____ 25.2____24.1___ 24.1___ 22.8___22.2
            Hope that helps you

    • Don 2

      And your share of the $17 trillion national debt is $123,000.00. Pay up!

      • John

        I am Don, its called taxes… And paying for what you spend… The GOP should try it sometime.

        • Don 2

          Since you still owe $123,000.00, you haven’t paid for squat, but your children and grandchildren will.

          • KG

            Thats why we need Universal Healthcare – to make sure that our Children and Grandchildren are healthy enough to work and pay lots of taxes for our Social Security!

          • Don 2

            KG,

            Social Security is a net loss for the worker. If you had invested those contributions to S.S. over the years and earned interest on them, you would have been much farther ahead. If I collect S.S. someday, it won’t be because my children and grandchildren are paying for it. I already did that. The government then proceeded to steal it.

            What makes you think that just because of Obamacare, the freeloading 46% will suddenly be working and paying taxes?

          • John

            Tell that to the people who lost it all in the 2008 collapse. They trusted the private sector just like you do…. They were bamboozled just like you would be. SS is a great safety net. It is proven through the reduction of elderly poverty before and after it was implimented.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Then as far as you are concerned there is no poverty, your visions of SS have solved poverty.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Typical Liberal Progressive Doublespeak. The collapse wasn’t the result of the Private Sector, John. It was the result of the Crony Politicians and their Crony Capitalists who have teamed up to rob the citizens blind with the complicity of ignorant Progressive Followers who don’t have the slightest clue what is really going on.
            http://mises.org/daily/5938/Seventeen-Years-of-Boom-and-Bust
            Social Security is NOT a safety net. It is worse than a Ponzi Scheme because at least Ponzi Schemes are voluntary:
            http://mises.org/daily/5658/Is-Social-Security-a-Ponzi-Scheme

          • KG

            Get off of your ‘hobby horse’ of so-called Moral Superiority and see the world for what it is instead of what you would LIKE for it to be.

            I thought you were a typical Ayn Rand/Von Misies sycophant, but you are actually a selfish, self-centered egoist. OOOPS, they are both the same! My bad!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have not said anything about Ayn Rand, but don’t let the facts get in your way, Cagey. You are Evil, KGB, and you prove it every day.

          • KG

            What you have NOT said about the patron Goddess of Libertarianism could fill volumes.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you ever tire of your nonsensical lies, Cagey?

          • John

            Hmmm… so the deregulation of the banks was caused due to the banks lobbying for these new relaxation of the rules through money and political influence in Washington DC. Are the banks not the private sector now?
            What you say makes no sense.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Different Banks, different Crony Capitalists. Not all Crony Capitalists support the same Crony Politicians. Like any rival gangs they have their conflicts.
            It makes no sense to you, John, because you have not put in the necessary reading and thinking to learn what’s really going on.
            If you want to learn, it’s all there. Here are just a few books you should read if you want to become more aware:
            http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf
            http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Wall%20Street,%20Banks,%20and%20American%20Foreign%20Policy.pdf
            This one isn’t Free, but it will give you a good understanding of how Government uses regulations to aid their Crony Capitalists:
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382156033&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff

            Or you can just be an ignoramus and keep repeating the Propaganda that Crony Capitalists and Politicians feed ignorant people so they can take advantage of them.

          • Don 2

            Tell it to the people who invested their money in gold. If you bought an ounce of gold ten years ago for $400.00, it would be worth $1,317.00 today. You decide what to invest in.

            Social Security Disability is expected to run out in 2016. When S.S. itself runs dry, what kind of a safety net will that be?

          • KG

            Social Security is paid for by payroll taxes – the taxes that EVERYBODY who works for a living pays. If you make enough, you pay Income taxes. The Payroll taxes are what pays for Social Security. So, as long as there are people working it will ALWAYS BE THERE.

            Here’s the Gipper explaining that fact:

          • S.C.Murf

            kgb if you truly believe what you just wrote then you ARE an idiot.

            up the hill
            airborne

          • KG

            I don’t believe it, it’s a FACT. Something you seem to have a problem with.

          • Cliffystones

            And die quickly and cheaply at the first disease diagnosis! Rah, Rah!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What a parasite you are.

          • Bob666

            I bet that he does not pass bad checks in Texas.

          • rwm44

            kgb i would rather have my kids NOT have to pay excessive taxes to support someone who was not willing to save for their future as they are being taught to do

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Surely you don’t expect a Liberal Progressive to care about children, Don?

          • John

            Its interesting that you say that DaveH. I am a liberal and a progressive…I know what I have done for children who are not my own.
            Since you are a caring libertarian/conservative, I would like to know what you personally have done for children as a group. Maybe I have been doing the wrong thing all these years.
            Please enlighten me. Thanks!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And I know what you have done to children, John. That is to doom them to a life of turmoil, indebtedness, and weak economy.
            What have I done for children? I have done my best to enlighten ignorant Propagandized people to the reality that Leaders and their entourage of takers are ruining their prospects for a happy prosperous life, in the hopes that if enough people wake up we can get back to prosperity so their children will have a good life.
            I could describe how much of my life was devoted to entertaining mine and other people’s children, but it really would be meaningless in the scope of these comments, and it’s none of your business, John.
            At any rate, my sound bites could not possibly enlighten a man who refuses to learn, but for those who aren’t similarly hobbled, I suggest reading this:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • John

            So nothing…. I see…. So instead of presenting anything factual. You call names, condescend and act morally superior to anyone who doesn’t believe as you do.
            Mises is very fascinating…. How come I have never heard of them? You have linked many posts to Mises. Can you tell me which major economists employ Mises teachings? How about a country that exhibits Mises philosophy?
            Its sounds to me you do a bit of propagandizing yourself DaveH.

          • Jana

            Another meaningless tactic!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That would only be the case, John, if the information I present is false. Feel free to prove it so.

          • John

            No DaveH, you contend that what you say is true…
            You prove that liberals/progressives don’t care about children. Site something credible for once.
            You prove that mises is anything but theory in the world of economics.
            You still have not even said what constitutes small gov. You run around like a child screaming “I want small gov” yet you can’t even explain what that looks like in the real world.
            Explain in detail what small gov looks like in a country of over 300 Million people and the largest economy in the global economy DaveH. Stop dodging and start explaining… Unless you are just a propagandist repeating talking points you are regurgitating which is what I suspect.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Who most advocates aborting babies — Liberals or Conservatives?
            Who most advocates the Government spending money they don’t have, thus putting off repayment to the future where our children and grandchildren will carry the burden regardless of the fact that they didn’t even have a vote in the matter — Liberals or Conservatives?
            You Prove, John, that Socialism hasn’t been a failure throughout the world wherever it has been fully implemented. Those of us who don’t base our knowledge on Hopes and Dreams know that it has been a failure. Yet you ignorant Liberal Progressives think that somehow it won’t happen here.
            I have offered vastly more references to back up my claims than you Liberal Progressives have. Those readers, whose minds aren’t closed like steel traps, know that.
            And those readers who take the time to read the various articles and books that I linked to will know just how ignorant you are, John. I could care less if you seek improvement or not.

          • John

            “Who most advocates aborting babies — Liberals or Conservatives?”

            Proof from a source that liberals advocate aborting babies?

            “Who most advocates the Government spending money they don’t have, thus putting off repayment to the future where our children and grandchildren will carry the burden regardless of the fact that they didn’t even have a vote in the matter — Liberals or Conservatives?”
            Ronald Reagan- Put in place tax cut and spend policies and as a result, he tripled our debt.
            George H Bush. Continued Reagan’s bad policies and doubled the debt again.
            George W Bush, Implemented Reagan policy on steroids… Got us into two wars and still had tax cuts in place… Apparently Conservatives like to saddle the cost of the war on credit and on the backs of the military alone to the tune of 2.5 to 3 Trillion dollars.
            So conservatives have a much stronger record of spending money we don’t have. Oops.
            So wait… where have I ever said socialism is a successful system??? Oh wait…. you are a conservative and you are incapable of understanding that its a mix of the two system that built this country and has had the greatest success.
            I see little in the way of actual info with Mises…. Plenty of theory, nothing of any factual nature… Sorry DaveH. You simply are a dreamer of wanting a system that will never happen. Not in this day and age.

          • John

            DaveH,
            Still no explanation what this “small Gov” looks like. Fess up…. You really have no clue do you? You just come out and want this “small gov” because its what your handlers demand that you say as a part of the professional nihilism that the conservatives are engaging in.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry, John, but you have proven yourself to be an ignorant zealot. Everybody knows who advocates “Free Choice”. Your avoidance of answering that question is meaningless.
            And under Reagan the National Debt increased by $1754 Billion in 8 years, or $219 Billion per year.
            Under Obama the National Debt has increased by $6339 Billion in less than 5 years, or $1334 Billion per year. The National Debt has increased at 6 times the rate under Obama as under Reagan.

            John says — “Oh wait…. you are a conservative and you are incapable of understanding that its a mix of the two system that built this country and has had the greatest success”.
            Oh wait …. John is a Liberal Progressive, so he thinks his conjecture is valid proof of anything.
            History has proven that Socialism doesn’t work in any quantity. The proof is right here for anybody to see in this ranking of countries from Least Socialistic (most Economic Freedom) to Most Socialistic (least Economic Freedom):
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
            If you lost a finger, although being undesirable, it really wouldn’t impact your life much. You could go on to be a very successful person with that missing finger. But the Liberal Progressives, in their infinite wisdom, would proclaim that your missing finger made you the success that you are.
            Thank God that I’m not a Liberal Progressive.

          • John

            Lol…. Name all the Obama spending that caused the increase

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Obama is the President. He could stop the excess spending easily if he wanted. Witness the Debt Ceiling battle in which he did everything he could to preserve the spending.
            Do you Liberal Progressives every accept responsibility for anything?

          • John

            After you can’t find the spending that caused the deficit to rise, since Obama was elected, have the yearly deficits been going up or down?

            Also, please cite anything I have said that makes me a zealot?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          When the bill for $123,000.00 is called up it for what each American owes it is for this moment in time and it is increasing even as I write the comment. So it is already way past $123,000.00.
          No American will be able to pay what the government spends.
          Care to make yourself an indentured servant to the STATE?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You aren’t paying for what you spend, John. If you wanted to do that, you would shrink Government dramatically and buy what you want in the private sector with your own money — not other peoples’ money.

          • John

            Define “small gov” for me. Be specific. So many small gov types talk in wonderful ambiguity.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Small:
            : little in size
            : few in number or little in amount
            : not very important
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/small

            For the first 100 years of this country’s existence Government spent less than 5% of the GDP.
            Government now spends 40% of GDP. Is it any wonder the economy sucks? Can you work as productively with a 40-pound ball chained to your ankle?

          • John

            So you can’t specify what this small Gov is… you merely give a dictionary reference.
            Ok… just so I understand the knowledge level I am dealing with here.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            John,
            I could beat you in any mental contest that didn’t reward lying and cheating. I can make that claim confidently knowing my level of ability and the fact that you adhere to the Liberal Progressive agenda which tells me immediately that you aren’t too bright.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            John,
            I could beat you in any mental contest that didn’t reward lying and cheating. I can make that claim confidently knowing my level of ability and the fact that you adhere to the Liberal Progressive agenda which tells me immediately that you aren’t too bright.

          • John

            More name calling and bravado that stems from….. nothing….
            Gotcha…. Must be scary for you when you have to deal in fact instead of myth, theory and propaganda.

          • Jana

            You are just using a tired old tactic that losers use when they have nothing else to use.

          • John

            Which is what? I am not the one trying to blame Obama for what conservatives did by shutting down the Gov. Your side lost, the people of the country lost as a result of your side’s stunt and the GOP are rightly being blamed by the majority of people.
            But conservatives are wonderful, they never take responsibility for anything they do. Its always Obama’s fault or Harry Reid or Pelosi…
            Well this time, The American people saw conservatives for what they are, child-like, arrogant, authoritarian…
            You will have to deal with that reality Jana.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Must be scary to actually have an open-mind and read stuff that goes contrary to that cushy little world that you’ve grown accustomed to. You know, John, open-mind, that condition that Liberal Progressives claim but really don’t have.

    • dontdoitagain

      They can take it out of the 84 billion dollars that the country is paying to Wall St. every month. Isn’t it great? The feds print up counterfeit money and give it to Wall St. to buy up real property with. Then the serfs get to pay that back with interest. Money laundering at it’s finest. My story is true and yours is, well, HOGWASH!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I believe the American people should be paid back for the waste and mismanagement that O and his handlers have cost the taxpayers.
      You are also telling on yourself that you are not paying any taxes otherwise you would object to the money wasting.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Unless you’re part of the Elite who are riding on everybody else’s shoulders, John, you will lose also. The people who you Liberal Progressives claim to be helping will be the first to be thrown under the bus when the economy collapses. They will not have the necessary skills to be part of the new survival economy so they will suffer more than anybody else. When that time comes, maybe sooner than you think, you can proudly proclaim — “I built that”.

    • John

      Where do you get this crap from? Do all conservatives receive a propaganda sheet everyday?

    • WTS/JAY

      John: Ted Cruz and the rest of you extremists owe the country 24 billion dollars for the money you have cost the country.

      How so, John? How did you come to the conclusion that the country is owed 24 Billion dollars?

      • John

        From various news sources, that is how much this stunt the GOP is responsible for, cost this country… Pro Iraq war (2.5T dollars and counting) Ted Cruz is the stunt’s ringleader… so he and the rest of the 80 or so House members who signed the memo from rep meadows in July that they would shut the Gov down over ACA should pay for the damage done.
        But then again, when does a conservative take responsibility for anything? Blame Obama is your refrain…

  • patsch13

    They must have some dirt on McConnell–or he is pathetically unqualified to be the minority leader. When Harry Reid–who I think is really Jimmy Carter’s mom in disguise, can take your lunch, it’s a sad testimony to your manhood.

  • Louis Lemieux

    The far right, too many of them anyway, can’t accept a black president and it’s destroying the Republican Party.

    • hippybiker

      Louis, your village called, they want their idiot back.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Typical answer of someone who lacks logical argument for his convictions.

        • hippybiker

          No, my comment was spot on. You would think after over 5 years, race baiting idiots like you would stop with the inane drivel. Or, as Einstein said…”Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.” We conservatives don’t care for Mr. Obama because of his skin color. We don’t like him because he is an unqualified street hustler, who is in the process of destroying the country I grew up in. Open your eyes, moron!

        • hippybiker

          No, my comment was spot on. You would think after over 5 years, race baiting idiots like you would stop with the inane drivel. Or, as Einstein said…”Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.” We conservatives don’t care for Mr. Obama because of his skin color. We don’t like him because he is an unqualified street hustler, who is in the process of destroying the country I grew up in. Open your eyes, moron!

          • Louis Lemieux

            Most Americans do not think Obama is destroying their country and, contrary to you, I’m one of them.

          • Don 2

            You have a point Louie Left. Most Americans do not connect the dots. They do not see Obama as the one destroying the country, even though it is his policies that are doing exactly that. They see Obama constantly campaigning and preaching to mush brain 18-20 year old audiences who haven’t got a clue, and most likely have never paid taxes. He rages against some invisible evil monster that he is constantly trying to tame. They see Obama as a victim, not the true Great Destroyer that he is. Like you said Louie Left, you are one of them.

          • Louis Lemieux

            In 2010, a poll of Tea Partiers found that more than half said the policies of the Obama administration favor the poor, and 25 percent thought that the administration favors blacks over whites — compared with 11 percent of the general public. Their racial paranoia has long been clear.

          • smilee

            I’m sure the vast majority of Americans share thiat view with of him with you

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “thiat view with of him with you”.
            Can you translate, Sleepee? I don’t understand ebonics.

          • Jana

            What?????

          • Cliffystones

            Most Americans? You are deluded sir. I have yet to meet ONE that supports what this administration is doing. So name names.

          • Snoopy Sanchez

            It’s probably about 50-50, of course, as Romney said those 47% sucking on Uncle Sams teats would never think Obummer is destroying anything!!

            Me Snoopy Sanchez, me proud Hispanic American who can think for himself & has not been brainwashed by Libs & MSM…me hate Obama & DEMS & Amnesty!!!

          • rwm44

            Most Americans do not think Obama is destroying their country ,most Americans know it

          • Louis Lemieux

            Americans who know Obama is destroying their country do not think.

          • smilee

            as Einstein said…”Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.”

            Like the crazies in the house voting over 40 times to repeal Obamacare.

            The moron here is you as your analysis has no basis in fact

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Or the crazy Liberal Progressives who keep on growing Government ever larger in the vain hopes that next time Government will actually fix the economy.

          • Don 2

            Reminds me of you, going to Libertarian/Conservative sites over and over again, and expecting your lies to be believed.

          • smilee

            Not at all your all much to stubborn to see the truth but it does keep me abreast how radical you all are so I do not forget that danger in our society.

          • S.C.Murf

            smelly we were going to call you a moron but we found out you’re more off than on

            up the hill
            airborne

          • Jana

            Yet, here you are on this site saying the same dull things over and over and over again.

    • dontdoitagain

      Louis I mean this in the kindest of spirits… Name one single country, run by a man of color, that is a superior country deserving of emulation. Why is that? It’s not that they are all stupid. Do you want to live in a “black” neighborhood, even if you are black? No? Why not? Name the last time that whites ran amuck and torched their own neighborhood. I’m just stating the obvious, not making a judgement call. I don’t have the hubris to come to a conclusion about why this is. Skin tone, epidermic melanin, whatever, shouldn’t cause any problems, but it seems to. Very odd.
      As to somehow the color of a man’s skin rather than the content of his character “destroying” the Republican party, that’s such a childish thing to say. It’s power mad people who are destroying the Republican party, (and the entire country) not a skin tone. Get serious. Obama is lacking in character…

      • KG

        When the people who have no voice in their Government wish to speak, the only thing that people will hear is a broken window.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You didn’t say anything by stringing words together.

          • Bob666

            Nor did you!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          No doubt you know all about broken windows, Cagey.

      • Louis Lemieux

        One has to be blind to believe whites have never turned on whites before. Just look at our Civil War and WWI and WWII.

        You say: “Name one single country, run by a man of color, that is a superior country deserving of emulation”. My answer is: U.S.A.

        Obama is not lacking in character!

        One Tea Party participant actually described the mythical America he pined for this way: “Everybody is above average. Everybody is happy. Everybody is white. Everybody is middle class, whether or not they really are. Everybody looks that way. … Very homogeneous.”
        “Reactionary conservatives” believe “social change is subversive to the America with which they’ve become familiar, i.e., white, mainly male, Protestant, native born, straight. ‘Real Americans,’ in other words.”

        • Hey, Porcupine

          “Obama is not lacking in character”……Well, I know of no other prez that would’ve not been involved in what was going on in Benghazi starting at 11 PM the night it happened & the next morning would’ve got on a plane to go to Vegas for a fundraiser while our brave people’s lives were in danger in a middle eastern hellhole!!

          Obummer is the worst leader this nation has ever had, he is lazy & does not get involved when he should, he does not care..everything he does, EVERYTHING is politically motivated…EVERYTHING is about the next election..he is a BUM!!!

        • Cliffystones

          “Obama is not lacking in character!”

          No, Obama IS a character. A pathetic, narcissistic one at that.

          • JeffH

            ROFLMAO! Good one!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The Liberal Progressives will be touting that same line when the US has become a third-world country.

          • Louis Lemieux

            It won’t happen. Get it out of your head!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sure it will, Louis. Where do you think the $17 Trillion is going to come from to pay off the National Debt?
            That’s $54,000 for each citizen — man, woman, and child.
            Or, to put it another way, $167,000 for every average family in the US.
            And that doesn’t even count the future unfunded liabilities that are accruing ($126 Trillion) which amounts to over $1 million for each citizen.

          • Louis Lemieux

            The wealth is there. Money is just a variable substitute for it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Translation:
            Lewis feigning knowledge.

          • Louis Lemieux

            I’m intelligent enough to understand that the U.S.A. is not the only industrialized country with a sizable debt. For instance if I owe you money and you owe me money, we’re not poorer because of that.

      • Snoopy Sanchez

        Yet, when Obummer was exposed as a follower of The Wrong Rev. Wright & sat for over 20 years in the pews of his church listening to his vitriolic racial hatreds & screeds spewed upon all races & ethnicities except blacks, he was still able to keep running & still beat Hillary The Harlot & then get elected twice. He was able to babble some nonsense & be forgiven!!! Could you imagine if a white man or woman did the same type of thing??? They would have to be resign from running.

        Yet, Bush because he was a white Texan male, to the Libs & MSM media he was automatically a misogynist & racist..never mind his best friend was a black woman (Condie Rice) & as prez of his Yale fraternity kicked out 2 guys who kept using the N-Word, & sent more money in aid to Africa than all other presidents combined…..Oh Yeah, I forgot, since Rice is a conservative, she’s not a REAL BLACK!!

        The Genie is out of the bottle & has been for many years now..because of the LOONY TUNES LIBS/PC/PROGRESSIVE/DEMS in all areas of our govt., society, economy & culture, there is forced diversity & social engineering & white western men are always the devils,& slavemasters & exploiters..&.now,blacks mostly & some other peoples of color & their apologists are the biggest racists around & do not deal in truth & real justice

    • spacegasp

      Carson/West 2016 (Hey Louis, I`m “far right”, and Carson and West are black….so…that means that…..um….you`re an idiot) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124geu01qFk

      • Louis Lemieux

        I don’t believe in calling anybody an idiot, I try not to judge anyone because how their minds are wired is not for me to understand fully.
        It looks like you fail to notice I said not all of those on the far right: “too many of them”.

        • FUK FACE HARRY

          Well, I do believe in calling a spade a spade (pardon the pun)…YOU ARE IDIOT!!! It has nothing to do with Obumnmer being Half-black….he’s a delusional devil & law breaking tyrant & a power elite puppet who is morally & fiscally bankrupting the republic!!!….Yes, The Lord encourages us not to judge, but I don’t think in the realm of politics that holds…The Lord has also said, “By their fruits, shall ye know thee.”….& Obummer’s fruits are toxic & poisonous!! Alas, he is not an idiot, but knows exactly what he is doing..it’s folks like you & any others voting for him or giving him a pass & his media lapdogs that are the proverbial “useful idiots” !!!

          • smilee

            I think your handle says it all about your lack of character and common sense.

          • FUK FACE HARRY

            No, ye of the brainwashed set…it refers to Harry Reid, one of your govt. heroes & saviors!!

          • smilee

            You really do love Harry don’t you

          • Louis Lemieux

            I don’t think you’re an idiot. Who knows? You and I, we both could be mistaken! ॆ

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Actually you do believe in calling anybody an idiot contrary to your pious denial.

        • Jana

          And YOU are a racist. YOU are the one bringing up the fact that Obama is black. We are talking policies here and YOU are talking color of skin. What is wrong with YOU?
          I don’t like Biden’s policies. He is white!
          I don’t like Pelosi’s policies. She is Hispanic.
          I don’t like Harry Reid’s policies. He is white.

          I don’t like smilee’s policies and I don’t know what color he is and I don’t care!

          • Karolyn

            Nancy Pelosi is Italian. Pelosi is an Italian name, and her maiden name is D’Alessandro.

          • Jana

            But she herself is not. Her family comes from Mexico.

          • Jana

            Karolyn, You are right. She is Italian. I looked it up. I always thought her family was from Mexico. So I was wrong on that one. Thank you.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Jana, the deranged Pelosi is not Hispanic. She is Latina (Italian).

      • smilee

        There is an exception to every thing so that means nothing

        • spacegasp

          Everything that comes out of 30 Rockefeller is a preconceived narrative intended to create a desire for change, but it`s based on a lie. I would hate to think that I have wasted 30+ years of watching the “Establishment”s tactics regarding news reporting for nothing. And there`s nothing they hate more than the Tea Party movement.

          • smilee

            The tea party is doomed to failure it is only a matter of time before it is dead!!

          • spacegasp

            That`s what the Establishment wants.

          • smilee

            I think it is the american people as they are the real establishment, beware their anger in Nov 14

          • Don 2

            Right…..we’ll see you in 2014!

          • smilee

            The tea party odds for success in 14 plummeted so you may not get what you want!!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So speaks a “man” who is afraid of the Tea Party.

          • smilee

            It is all but dead so what is there to fear??

          • S.C.Murf

            Just a matter of TIME before you are dead also smelly, then the Lord God will make all things known unto you and you will realize hod dumb you sound. Good luck

            up the hill
            airborne

          • Jana

            Then why oh why do YOU keep bringing them up? If they are so dead then why are they on YOUR mind so much?

          • smilee

            So why are you asking?

      • rwm44

        if carson runs he will get my vote. hopefully all the obozo voters that voted by race only will vote for him too as he will be the first true black president not a mixed race mongerel

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You have O as president so why are you not accepting him as black president, he belongs to your Dems/Progs/Leftists and RINOS and you don’t seem to be content with having O.
      You keep tossing O like a hot potato.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Another Liberal Progressive Racist speaks his piece.

      • JeffH

        Too much Chris Matthews?

    • S.C.Murf

      LL he’s not black

      up the hill
      airborne

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      He is White Negro outside, but BLACK-BLACK inside!!!

  • Korporal Knish

    Again & again, the bias of the MSM is killing our Republic.,..as Chip states, the GOP was more than willing to keep govt. going, except for O-Care & offered piecemeal legislation to keep important funding as it went along, yet it was the GOP that were “extremists, radicals, making people suffer”…it is this poisonous paradigm that continues to give OBOZO & his corrupt cabal cover to do pretty much whatever they want to, whatever law they want to break, whatever scandal they want covered up & squashed…they know they will never be held accountable for anything they do or say!!!

    • Don 2

      Boehner said from the beginning he would not let the government default, but Obama and the Democrat/Communist party were more than willing to let the country go over the cliff for their pet project, Obamacare.

      Anyone ever wonder how all those “Closed Due to Government Shutdown” signs were printed and erected in a matter of days? The government cannot requisition anything that quickly. They were purchased long ago.

      • John

        “Pet project”? You crack me up when you call the most significant law in decades that.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          It is a “pet project”. Pet projects do become disasters.

          • John

            Iraq was a failed pet project.

            Funny how all conservatives know its a failure before the law has a a chance to work… Or not work… If it fails after it has been given a proper chance to work, then, by alll means, lets go in a different direction. Fear mongering only helps those who profit from the chaos. Ted Cruz comes to mind here.

          • Jana

            Such as any involvement in the Middle East that Obama is so fond of getting us into right now.

          • John

            What country has Obama invaded and occupied? Obama is getting OUT of Iraq (should have never been there in the first place) and Afghanistan (Bush bungled that one badly)
            Spending went up under Bush, and spending is going DOWN under Obama.

          • Jana

            Wow you certainly live in fantasy land.

          • John

            Another useless tactic. I asked you a question and you have nothing to offer but a lame retort?
            But typical with conservatives…

        • Don 2

          When it got down to a simple proposal requiring Congress to live under the same Obamacare law that they foisted on the rest of America, the Democrats refused that as well, and were still more than willing to go over the cliff. Now, if you see that as a good thing, calling you an idiot would be way too kind.

      • hungry4food

        Boehners backed into a corner with what Dennis
        Kucinich says Why Obama is not negotiating with Republicans , because all he
        has to do is threaten to veto anything he doesn’t like and fortce the Congress
        to change our Obama will say it was the Republicans fault he has to do what
        Dennis Kucinich says Obama can do , so this is a Great tool to use to get what
        he wants like a KING without being one !!!!

        Would a default give Obama unprecedented presidential power?

        http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/americas-newsroom/index.html#http://video.foxnews.com/v/2747976637001/would-a-default-give-obama-unprecedented-presidential-power/?playlist_id=86909

        The Only way to Counter the Power that the President has

        with the threat of Default is to pass the Legislation in this Next

        Link.

        Sequesters, Shutdowns and Defaults

        http://leconomistamascherato.blogspot.com/2013/10/sequesters-shutdowns-and-defaults.html

        There is
        bipartisan support for this , but when the goal of control of population
        through financial oppression as this link represents is the intent then
        creating the debate to include this line of thinking needs to be involved .

        http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html

        See How the Main Stream Media is promoting this philosophy
        too ? This is why they are Bias with the Liberal points of view and are calling
        for Bigger Government Solutions !!!!

        http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44990504/ns/us_news-life/t/seven-big-problems-billion-people/

        http://www.today.com/id/44990504/ns/today-today_news/t/seven-big-problems-billion-people/

        http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/01/seven-billion/kunzig-text

  • Ronald Reagan

    “Hey, Wood, how come it is House Speaker John Boehner, [Senate] Majority
    Leader Harry Reid, Senator Ted Cruz, etc., but just Barack Obama? Can’t
    bring your petty self to call him PRESIDENT Barack Obama?

    Wood, your are pathetic!”

    • Cliffystones

      He doesn’t deserve the title, let alone “outhouse digger”.

      • smilee

        Your opinion but under our law he is your president!!!

        • Sarah417

          No, hes your president. To me he is a Marxist wannabe and he will find out that Americans won’t be pushed around.

          • smilee

            Your state of denial prevents you from knowing he is also your president!

        • JeffH

          There’s no law that says anybody has to call him president…but I’m sure you wish there were.
          sleepee = govt. force

          • smilee

            Your right but never the less he is still you president no matter what you call him Get used to it!

          • JeffH

            Sleepee, he may be the governments POTUS in name only but he’s a laughingstock to me and the rest of the world.
            He’s a hyrid communist…Get used to it!

          • smilee

            He is highly respect across the world as all polls show, your imagination has tricked you again to blind you to that fact. The tea party though is in not respected across the world though and they are the real laughingstock. Apparently you did not pay attention again

          • Barakolips

            Your just another Obama nut licker.

          • JeffH

            Apparently, sleepee, you don’t pay attention and you DO believe the propaganda you’ve been spoon fed.
            World leaders do not trust Obama’s words or his actions – just like most of us.

            How are they supposed to trust and work with someone who won’t even be honest with his own countrymen and who claimed he would be so different?

            They all saw him on TV blaming a video for Benghazi, then saw him lying saying he said it was terrorism all along. They all saw him on TV setting his red line, then they all saw him again on TV denying that he set it. He said the “world” set the red line.

            In other words, he basically threw every other world leader under the bus, making them feel if they don’t agree with him then they will be blamed.
            That’s his idea of how to gain backing and support!

          • smilee

            Sorry but Pew Research in its last poll shows Obama is the most respected leader in the G-20 countries with the chancellor of Germany in second place. That is not propaganda as Pew is universally respected by all. So you are lying again. Your opinion of Obama is not based on fact but on your hatred and bias towards him and I would not be surprised if you also are a racist and that contributes to you inaccurate take on him.Your whole post is BS and untrue!!

          • JeffH

            Sleepee staggers along under the stupor of an ignorant liberal racists acid trip babbling away and tosses in the race card to boot with “I would not be surprised if you also are a racist”…Whouda thunk it?

            Here’s the scary reality for the ignorant sleepee and his/her racist ilk: the right’s and my opposition to Obama has always been predicated upon his bad policies and not upon his race. One would think the ascension of Herman Cain proves that to be the case. Conservatives didn’t mind a black president…they just didn’t want a communist/socialist/Marxist progressive one.

            I’m not the least bit surprised that you are a brain dead ignoramus.

          • smilee

            You never said one word rebutting what I said in my post just a personal attack which clearly illuminates brightly you complete lack of character. You really do not know anything intelligent to say

          • JeffH

            You’re just an ignorant progressive hypocrit smelly.
            smelly, I don’t argue with the intellectually challenged, rocks, hammers and complete idiots like you.

          • smilee

            You never said one word rebutting what I said in my previou posts just a personal attack which clearly illuminates brightly you complete lack of character. You really do not know anything intelligent to say

          • JeffH

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkkkk!

            I don’t argue with the intellectually challenged, rocks, hammers and complete idiots like you smellie.

          • Jana

            Why should he, you never do.

          • smilee

            i DO IT ALL THE TIME, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?????????

          • Jana

            Watching you melt.

          • rwm44

            slimee this topic really bugs you doesn’t it

          • smilee

            NO, but holding a mirror up so you can see your own stupidly pleases me and that really bugs you doesn’t it.

          • rwm44

            slimee no stupidity here so it doesn’t bug me
            did mommy make grilled cheese and tomato soup for lunch and nappy time

          • smilee

            You forgot to look in my mirror!!

          • JeffH

            sleepee says “You forgot to look in my mirror!!”
            You do mean the cracked one?

          • Jana

            Oh wow!!!! That is way too funny. smilee is losing it now!!!

      • Ronald Reagan

        What a brilliantly nuanced reply! You must be the towering intellect of your trailer park.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      No Wood is not. You may elevate O but in your comment you are admitting that you would diss the other men mentioned. This is still America. Contrary to your tribal chieftain/god mentality we do not have tribal chieftain/god and elevating O won’t make him so.

      • Bob666

        Wow,
        to someone, that comment makes sense.

      • Ronald Reagan

        I admire your rejection of the crippling conventions of clarity and good grammar in your posts.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      More like Gang Leader Obama.

  • mark

    Was anyone ever in doubt on the outcome of this farce? The whole conservative movement is gutless to the core. They’re all talk and zero action. Like most of the posters on this site. “We have to impeach Obama,” everyday the same nonsense from the same cowards who do nothing everyday of their lives. There is a yellow streak three thousand miles wide right down the middle of the conservative movement. A yellow streak only matched by utter impotence and wet-your-pants everyday cowardice.

    • spacegasp

      I`ll cave your face in, you blind obedient schmuck.

      • smilee

        OH! tough man!!

        • spacegasp

          No, just a normal man`s reaction when some dip schidt is insulting good people, and supporting slimy weasels.

          • smilee

            There is nothing normal about you, normal people do not act this way.

          • spacegasp

            Normal people get angry when insulted.

          • smilee

            LOL!! your a joke

          • spacegasp

            Am I supposed to be anything special?

          • Ron

            don’t even try to debate smilf and his friends, their stupidity shines like the sun! example…..You have smilf and 4 of his buddies on here that are really, really, i mean really stupid…and you have (i’ll use) TheOriginalDaveH who is pretty intelligent…smilf and his buddies think that because it is 5 to 1 in their favor that makes all of them smarter than TheoriginalDaveH!! They have been taught that from birth and all the way thru school..if they went to school!!! I was taught 2+2=4…they were taught it could add up to something else and they believe it! Intelligent people use common sense and the basics…they were taught all things are right..just depends on how you look at things….so they argue for stupidity because it could be right and then try to convince intelligent people that they are not wrong.

          • Ron

            don’t even try to debate smilf and his friends, their stupidity shines like the sun! example…..You have smilf and 4 of his buddies on here that are really, really, i mean really stupid…and you have (i’ll use) TheOriginalDaveH who is pretty intelligent…smilf and his buddies think that because it is 5 to 1 in their favor that makes all of them smarter than TheoriginalDaveH!! They have been taught that from birth and all the way thru school..if they went to school!!! I was taught 2+2=4…they were taught it could add up to something else and they believe it! Intelligent people use common sense and the basics…they were taught all things are right..just depends on how you look at things….so they argue for stupidity because it could be right and then try to convince intelligent people that they are not wrong.

          • mark

            Oh yeah, you’re a real internet tough guy. All you characters are, as you accomplish zero to change America everyday. Go out in your backyard and wave your gun around. Climb down into your bomb shelter with some more dried food and canned fruit waiting for the UN and FEMA to take over America. Go ahead, I guess that makes you feel like a man.

          • spacegasp

            Not quite sure of WTH you`re talking about.

    • John

      Gutless? No…. Moronic, selfish, arrogant, authoritarian… Yes

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But you have O and yet you come to this site and comment as if you don’t have O as president. Why is that? You keep reminding us that he cannot be impeached yet you are not content in any way. Why is that?

      • smilee

        News Flash!! Unless you a foreigner he is your president too!!

        • rwm44

          slimeedoes that mean GW Bush was your president .I remember seeing lots of bumpers stickers stating otherwise

          • smilee

            Sure he was, do you believe every tidbit of propaganda you see??

    • S.C.Murf

      The only one gutless is you markie. You like your handouts so much you are afraid to make a stand for the good of mankind.

      up the hill
      airborne

      • smilee

        Another stupid assumption with no facts to support it!!!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      A Welfare party member talking about other people taking “zero action” — Priceless.

      • smilee

        Another stupid assumption with no facts to support it!!

        • JeffH

          Just another meaningless comment from a long line of meaningless comments from a meaningless and irrelevant commentor…aka sleepee.

          • smilee

            Another stupid assumption with no facts to support it!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, Sleepee, I assume you are stupid. The facts lie in your stupid comments.

          • smilee

            As determined in you stupid little brain, that means nothing!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m not the one who votes for a system (Socialism) which has failed everywhere that it has been fully implemented. Without the coattails of Capitalists to ride on, the Non-Productive Socialists don’t have a chance.

          • JeffH

            You want the facts?

            Here is just a sampling of your(not you’re) meaningless words smellee:
            “There is nothing normal about you, normal people do not act this way.” Looking in the mirror?
            “Another stupid assumption with no facts to support it!!!”
            “Another stupid assumption with no facts to support it!!”
            “I agree! They most likely were paid to say that, remember this is the Hannity show famous for propaganda because the law does none of what they say it does.”
            “NO and it is the truth, satan is the master of liars so he must be your master!”
            “Your(you’re?) confused it is not going down the drain, the sky is not falling!!”
            “As determined in you stupid little brain, that means nothing!!”
            “Sure he was, do you believe every tidbit of propaganda you see??”
            “OH! tough man!!”
            “There is an exception to every thing so that means nothing”

          • smilee

            It’s true, You have a problem with that??

          • JeffH

            Thank you smellee for finally admitting your comments are meaningless. Even an ignorant progressive shill gets it right at least once.

          • smilee

            I always get it right on here that is real easy with you jerks.and your statement is a lie, shame on you!

          • JeffH

            Conservatives find it hard to comprehend how and why you ignorant liberals lie so easily. Many liberals just like you seem to lie without the slightest guilt or compunction.

            For left-wing politics, lying goes back to the Russian Bolsheviks or earlier. The masses were lied to because the ruling elite (or the ruling elite to be) felt that the ends (Marxism) justified any means, and the masses were too stupid and ignorant to know what was good for them. But the ruling elite knew exactly what was good for them. Leftists have a rather low opinion of the masses, the average citizen.

            Liberalism is like a religion, and it has zealots as fanatical as any other religion. But unlike most religions, liberalism has no moral code. The closest thing to a moral code in liberalism is “don’t get caught”. Ethics are situational, and totally up for interpretation. The truth is subjective, and the truth is merely what you want it to be. To the fanatic the leftist cause is so noble, so sacred that any lying or cheating for the leftist cause is justified.

            When a liberal lies to the American public, he is in effect saying, “You are too stupid to know what is good for you. I know what is good for you. I will say anything I need to say to convince you my way is the right way.”

            If liberals were honest about their vision for this country few people would ever vote for them. Liberals must lie to us in order to impose the tyranny of liberalism upon us. – Author Izzy Weird

          • smilee

            You are looking more with each post that you are a know nothing ranting lunatic. So Sad!!!

          • Jana

            Some Liberals even CALL themselves Christians, but we know them by their fruits. Actually today’s Liberals are taking God out of our society, so it makes you wonder if they are following the true Christ or the spurious Messiah.

          • JeffH

            You mean fruits and nuts don’t you?

          • Jana

            That fits smilee to a T! hahahaha.

          • Jana

            But remember JeffH, smilee already said in another post that truth was irrelevant to a liberal. That came out of his own post.

  • red neck

    Well… I’m surprised that the GOP once again caved… I recall my post last week that stated as such…. Face it people obama-care is here to stay while I will do everything possible to remove as many “repubs” from the office that they do not deserve.

    • rwm44

      obozocare here to stay hopefully all those who are forced to use it will help to remove as many “dems” from their offices that they do not deserve

      • red neck

        I have to agree with you on that as well.
        It is such a pity that the American people have no true representation.

    • smilee

      They did not cave they were beaten and forced to their knees. it was total surrender by total defeat. . Your solution suggestion i’m sure would be very welcomed by democrats.

      • momo

        Total defeat? The spending caps are still in place, and in 3 months they’ll be at each other’s throat again.

        • smilee

          Caps were not part of this fight so that means nothing!! Nor does your statement detract from their total defeat.

          • momo

            Keep dropping the acid smilee, Obama and the rest of the Dems want the spending caps removed so they can spend away. What did Obama gain? 3 months and the show starts up again. Obama’s Chinese bosses are already making noise about how screwed up the US government is, maybe they’ll invest their money elsewhere.

          • Sarah417

            They already have. They’re buying gold. Probably what was in Fort Knox.

          • momo

            Correct Sarah, and after they buy enough gold they’ll pull the switch and get rid of those worthless t-bills. Any loss on the t-bills would be made up on the appreciation of gold.

          • smilee

            Sure they do but it was not a part of his deal. No he knocked the wind out of the tea party and even though he only got 3 months the gov will not be shut down again as the non crazies in the GOP will not cater to the tea party next time, after all they did not support them in the end and they will not repeat that nonsense and will not repeat their mistake. ,You just do not understand this!

          • momo

            Oh, I think I understand alot more than you do. How old are you smilee? 12? Or do you just have a brain of a 12 year old? You think Obama and the other idiots who run this country give a flying $#@$ about you or anybody else? Grow up. Obama, Boehner, Pelosi, McConnel and all the rest of them are owned by Wall Street and the Chinese and march to their drum. China and the other BRIC countries are already cutting deals to use their own currencies for trade among themselves, instead of the dollar. How long before they”ll want to get ridr of the dollar altogether. The only thing that was accomplished by this BS show the idiots put on for our enjoyment was Obama got a bigger limit on his credit card, which is analogous to giving a teenager, with a maxed out card more credit.
            Here’s a serious question for you smilee, do you think we’ll ever pay off that 17 trillion (and growing) debt? And how are we going to do it?

          • smilee

            Debt limit needs rising because we do not have enough tax revenue to pay back what we already have spent. We cannot pay back near as fast if we do not raise the debt limit so we can pay it back or raise taxes in lieu thereof so we do not have to borrow so much or grow the economy so we get more tax revenue but all the GOP wants to do is slash everything when a balanced approach is the only thing that will work. tax revenue to pay our bills. The problem being you do not understand this is about paying existing debt not cutting spending or allowing anyone to spend more.

          • TML

            You are completely back-asswards, sonny.

          • smilee

            HOW.??? you do not understand how the economy works so your statement is just hot air and meaningless.

          • momo

            How can issuing more debt to pay off existing debt ever get us out of the hole? If our illustrious leader wasn’t a community activist and had actually run a business maybe he would have learned something about economics along the way. Instead, he’s like all you liberal dunces, we’ll spend our way out. Yeah, let’s print more money, issue more debt and we’ll be on the road to economic recovery, that always works…NOT. And we wouldn’t have this existing debt if the dumb a$$es that run this country didn’t get involved in foreign wars they didn’t want to pay for, promise every dumb a$$ who can vote a freebie, or come up with dumb a$$ regulations to put businesses out of business…look no further than West Virginia, the whole state is out of work.

          • smilee

            There are three way you can pay your existing debt (we are not talking about future spending just what you have already spent and are in debt for) . You can find a way to make more money thus you have more money to pay down your debt or you can go borrow more money and pay down your debt thus increasing your debt but that keeps you from becoming delinquent. but either way you get them paid and it is the same .government. Their income comes from taxes to pay their existing debt but if not enough then you have to borrow more and pay it and if you do not then you become delinquent and that is what raising the debt limit is about and it has nothing to do with future spending. Whine whine whine when you have so understanding of what this is all about. So sad!!.

          • momo

            Where did you learn economics from a coloring book? The debt isn’t static, its growing everyday. There’s only two ways to attack it, increase revenues or cut spending. This borrowing so there is no default just puts off the inevitable, the government will either default or inflate their way out of it.

          • smilee

            I never said the debt is not growing how the hell did you get that so confused? When you have a debt you either got to make the payments or become delinquent if you do not pay the payments, Raising more revenue cutting expenses and borrowing more to pay the bills are your your three options, The GOP refuses to raise any new revenue and recently tried to denying borrowing r and have cut spending greatly so they have really made a mess out of a problem that could easily be solved if they would be cooperative. You are another who does not understand this very well and are listening to much to far right propaganda.

      • red neck

        The GOP has done nothing but make fools out of themselves, throwing a temper tantrum without any substance and nothing to back it up with. They have simply laid down and rolled over. And for that they should be ashamed at their selves.

        • smilee

          I could not agree more sir!!

      • Barakolips

        That’s five down arrows for you now.

        • smilee

          The bigger the down arrows on this site means I got it right

          • Jana

            smilee: ” being liberal is irrelevant to the truth” remember, these are your words of wisdom!

          • smilee

            Your Words are the words of a fool as in reality being liberal is the knowing the truth!!

          • Jana

            Well then smilee go look in the mirror, as those were your very own words. So now who is the fool???

          • smilee

            you!!!!

  • karma

    It’s nice to see you spin this in a way that make the Republicans look good. Kudos to you!. Obama would be the happiest man to see the m take up this fight in 2014, that way everyone would punish them for this and vote them out of office. Something tells me you would not want this. Face it , they lost and move on and try a better tactic in 2016.

    • S.C.Murf

      Spoken like a true government taker now you can continue to receive your welfare. Go somewhere else and make that popping sound please

      up the hill
      airborne

  • flashy

    No hypocrisy at all. the crazies held a gun to their head and said ” ignore that the law was passed as it should have been with due process, let us destroy what millions want, or we’ll bring down the economy of this nation and the world”. In other words, the crazies tried extortion because they couldn’t follow the Constitution and do it ad it required.

    Ask the crazies what it is with Obamacare specifically Americans don’t like , whst they the crazies would change ? Blank looks. The Individual Mandate. They want it delayed for one year. ummmm, it would cost $63 to opt out of the mandate. lol.

    Obamacare affects 14% of the People. Most would hsve no change to their insurance. It affects less than 10% of businesses.

    It’s a disaster. and won’t work rant the crazies. ok, not only do the crazies offer no alternative, but even with the computer glitches, one state , Oregon, in two weeks have a 10% drop in the uninsured.

    Meanwhile, the extortion attempt was a failure. The crazies lost in 2012. They lost in the early battles of 2013. They just had their heads handed to them in one of the soundest whoppings in political history. all because, rightfully, they are small in number, everyone knows they’re nutscases, the People resent the dictatorship the lunatics want to install…and the only way their adherents can win is by wild gerrymandered districts and voter suppression!

    • chaz

      Hey genius are you just reporting what the dumbocrats told you to say? Listen my policy is going from 177/month to 425 per month. And my deductible went from 1000/year to 6350/yr, I am also stuck with pregnancy provisions even though I am a man. So where the hell does your information come from flashy?

      • smilee

        Flashy just told you the truth, get you head out of the sand so you cans see and hear. Your increases had nothing to do with Obamacare as it regulates neither premium cost, deductibles or copay’s These changes are most likely the choice of your employer, many are doing that and using Obamacare as their whipping boy in hopes they will not get the blame when they make you pay more and get less…

        • flashy

          Smilee…when someone cites those types of numbe4s, when questioned it isn’t because of Obamacare. Hannity had six people on his show, reciting tales of horror about Obamacare and how it ruined their lives. they cited horrific costs, doctor changes, etc.

          Afterwards, they were contacted separately and their health policies checked on. Amazing…none proved out, all will receive less expensive,more coverage policies. Four of the six never bothered to check 2hat they could receive nor the costs involved ! They got their “information” from Fox News prior to going on Hannity. All false !

          The crazies are crazy. They make it up, fantacize their martyrdom, and rip apart the Constitution. Then say it’s everyone’s fault but their own…f

          • momo

            Holy crap, flashman admirs he watches Fox. Careful flasho, your friends on the left will burn you for heresy!

          • Barakolips

            Lol !

          • smilee

            I agree! They most likely were paid to say that, remember this is the Hannity show famous for propaganda because the law does none of what they say it does.

        • S.C.Murf

          And you are full of [expletive deleted] smelly. Pure lies. Your master satan is also a deceiver.

          up the hill
          airborne

          • smilee

            NO and it is the truth, satan is the master of liars so he must be your master!

      • S.C.Murf

        Chaz every TIME flashless farts he gets more info.

        up the hill
        airborne

  • S.C.Murf

    All this crap just proves that the repubs and dems are one and the same. See what Mitch McConnell got for his vote just a couple billion for his home state. The complete DC gang are evil and corrupt and it will not change they are as one and to intrenched. And one has to stave off the likes of bobbie trip 6’s, smelly, kgb and the rest that are still acting like children and playing the game of my side won and yours didn’t. Well boys hate to tell you this but you all lost. TIME for all of you to make that POPPING SOUND please.

    up the hill
    airborne

    • nc

      S.C. Murph. What part of math do you not understand? The repubs and dems represent 99% of the popular vote in our past national elections! That leaves you and yours representing the remaining 1% here and YOU are ORDERING the rest of us to make the popping sound!
      You remind me of the male ant crawling up a female elephants leg with rape on his mind!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Apparently, NutCase, the part of math that you don’t understand. Being in the majority does not correlate to being intelligent.
        The people below the 99th percentile are not smarter than those in the 99th percentile. In your case, NutCase, it is likely that you’re lucky to be in the 50th percentile.

  • Jeff Noncent

    well well here we go again no one has a guts to stand for liberty, freedom, and the old constitution of America, the president has this nation under his hand, and when this nation is going to down to drain we all going to cry why we didn’t fight for our freedom, by than its going to late can anyone see that happening?

    • smilee

      Your confused it is not going down the drain, the sky is not falling!!

      • TML

        The national debt is reaching 17 trillion and with current revenue and spending, the deficit is just under 1 trillion. That would be the equivalent of a household that brings in $55,000 annually and spends over $70,400 per year, with a total credit card debt of $335,500…. but naaaaa, we aren’t going down the drain. Hey, hey… I got an idea…. Let’s borrow even more money!

        • smilee

          The current revenue is not stuck in place and will increase and it would happen much faster if the GOP would quit insisting we honker down on the economy and if we do everything we could to expand it that would change. There are many ways to do it if they were not so ignorant and stubborn. We have done it before and it can be done again. So your numbers are just game playing they have the effect of running in place as you get no where.

          • TML

            Come on, smilee, this is simple math. No amount of increased taxation will make up the trillion-dollar deficit without damaging the economy. We can’t tax or borrow our way out of this… we must control spending. Spending and deficit has been on the decline ever since the House was taken over by the GOP in 2010. So, they are doing their job if you ask me. Yet, even if we were to eliminate the deficit, that still leaves us with the national debt, which currently totals approximately $150,000 per person in the United States, which means we need a big surplus. Yet, now here comes Obamacare on top of Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid (both totaling more than the deficit by themselves) and Defense spending (which is more than every other country on earth). And government throwing more money into the economy via bailout or stimulus, and sticking its nose into one industry after the next, legalized counterfeiting, or borrowing more money is not the solution. We can either work together by “hunkering” down on spending, while trying to make it as painless as possible (the opposite of what Obama is doing), or we can continue on this seemingly carefree path, until nature takes its course with financial ruin or even collapse. And then it is really going to hurt. You think the non-essential government shut down was bad?

          • smilee

            Our spending and taxing on a per capita basis are both the lowest now than it has been since the early fifties, we have cut a lot of spending and taxes and thing are now way out of balance When you hunker down you slow down growth, you slow down hiring, thus you reduce tax revenues, in short you make thing worse. Every economist will tell you the best way to get out of debt is to grow the economy and hunkering down does just the opposite and that is what the GOP advocates and why this recession is being dragged out much longer and making bigger deficits thus a faster growing debt.. WE had greater debt after world war two by percentage of GDP and Eisenhower raised taxes real high while at the same time increased spending real high (interstate highway system and many others) this expanded the economy producing jobs and tax revenue and we paid that huge debt way down to manageable size in a short period of time. Republicans do not think that way was anymore, We are still the most wealthy nation on earth and can afford what we have taken on if we do not strangle our economy and out government which is what the GOP and especially the tea party are doing to us and thus putting us in danger of bankruptcy. You just do not understand how the economy works and you ideas are dangerous to our future. Obama understands this and that is why he had to say hell no and mean it and give us a second chance to get it right but with the GOP obstructionist mentality it will not be easy maybe not possible and unless the the tea party dies.

  • smilee

    “is this the ignominious defeat for conservatives that it’s being portrayed by the left? Not on your life! All this compromise has done is kick the can down the road for a bit. Boehner himself acknowledged this when he said: “I know this isn’t everything we want, but we’re going to live to fight another day.”
    ‘The battle isn’t over — not by a long shot”.

    DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD BE STUPID ENOUGH TO SHUT IT DOWN AGAIN IN Jan. That is not going to happen! The battle is really over but the rhetoric battle will continue but they will be believed less.

    “First, despite the fact that Federal law requires Congress to pass a budget every year, the Democrats who control the Senate have refused to approve one for the past five years. And don’t blame this on that obstreperous Republican majority in House; that’s only existed for the past two-and-a-half years. Prior to 2010, Democrats controlled a majority in both the House and Senate, and they still refused to approve a budget”.

    Both houses got to pass it so you cannot in all honesty just blame one house as it is not true. Remember the filibusters in the house prior 2010 , the GOP sure could stop it and they did repeatedly. The law you speak of is
    just plain silly as it has no enforcement mechanism so it is worthless and means little, more like procedure than law. The Constitution
    does not require an annual budget it does require that appropriation bills be
    passed before any spending can take place and that is why Obama had no choice in shutting down all that was not appropriated for, conservatives kept saying he did it just to cause pain when he was following the Constitution while they were advocating that he should not, that he should break the law. Much of the gov had appropriations already in law and that is why they were not shut down Obamacare could move forward as it was funded.

    • Vis Fac

      SMELLY you have yet to answer my questions yet continue your inane rhetoric further demonstrating you are a COWARD and a FRAUD

      Here are some FACTS for you to chew on you won’t like them If you aren’t too much of a coward you’ll read the entire content I’m sure you wont be shocked by this scientific study

      http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/10/pew-report-republicans-smarter-than-democrats-tea-party-more-educated-2509406.html

      This information supports what I have been saying for years and you liberals are going to first hate then deny its content. Ether way you LOSE

      I OWN you SMELLY because you are a COWARD !!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • Charlotte Juett

    And at the same time, they gave Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling every time it gets close, and will have to vote to keep the lid in place. This will make keeping the debt ceiling in place vulnerable to a Presidential veto and it would take a 2/3’s vote in the House to override it and that is not likely to happen.

  • Fedup

    I can’t wait to help defeat McConnell’s sorry ass!

  • Alex

    The Teabaggers are as irrelevant as Sarah Palin.
    Whiners and losers. Make that sore losers.
    No one of sound mind cares to listen to your uneducated moaning.
    Watching the Reich Wing eat itself alive—finger-pointing, back-stabbing,
    self-immolating—-is great fun for the rest of us, the smart people.
    Things will NOT get any better for you—your War on Women, your War on Science, and your War on Reason are unattractive lures. Y’all are toast…

    Ted Cruz / Josef Goebbels 2016

    • Vis Fac

      ALEX in La La Land

      IF the “Teabaggers” and Sara Palin are so irrelevant then why are you scared to death of them? You liberals spend too much time and energy abasing them to NOT be scared to death of them. otherwise they would be a non issue. No ALEX in La La Land you are scared [expletive deleted] only you won’t admit to it.

      2014 will prove you were right to be afraid ODUMBO has been found out the DUMBOCRITE party has been found out and people are now realizing the prevarications perpetrated by their own party and they have been sold a bill of goods by the DNC I will be smiling with glee when you realize you have no support for your inane agenda.

      Now I asked you certain questions and you have been skirting them (like the little tu tued fairy you are) time to man up and stop being a coward and answer my questions instead of providing your pre-programmed rhetoric

      I OWN you and you are scared to death.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      It never ceases to amaze me that morons like you are the first to assail those who you disagree with you “think” you know the whole story

      • Sarah417

        Alex, you have no idea how strong the TEA Party is. The TEA Party is not just a single entity, but everyone all across the United States.

        All of you are running scared and show it by calling us names, berating us every chance you get, making fun of us. You have nothing of substance inside you. You have only hostility and hatred. We win, you lose.

        • Vis Fac

          I’m not ALEX in La La Land but thanks for the support.

          ALEX in La La Land rbrooks and SMELLY are all deathly afraid of Us Tea Party members. In fact they believe they are the smartest people on the planet.

          Please review the information this link leads you to you will find out the real truth at Before it Was News http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/10/pew-report-republicans-smarter-than-democrats-tea-party-more-educated-2509406.html

          this information supports what I have been saying for years and the liberals are going to first hate then deny its content.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Sarah417

            Thanks. Checked out the link. Very interesting. I hope more people on this site check it out as well. Now start posting this link on liberal sites. I don’t know how.

          • Vis Fac

            I hope so too !! I see ALEX in La La Land has given you a down vote. A down vote from a LOSER is always a positive thing !!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Alex

            This study by Pew Research contrasts Democrats and Republicans—what on Earth does that have to do with me?

          • Vis Fac

            EVERYTHING it was profiling YOU and it sailed miles over your head because you are too stupid to grasp anything simple You always cite polls and scientific studies yet can’t seem to grasp how they work . Now how’s about you answering my questions COWARD
            I OWN YOU

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Sarah, you are correct. The Dems/Progs/Leftists are like predators that are deprived of their prey and their last ditch effort is snarling and growling.
          But as much as the Tea Party movement is growing it has to beware that it doesn’t get infiltrated as the Republican party did and ended up doing the Dems/Progs/Leftists whims and bidding.

          • Jana

            Actually we learn a lot from people like smilee,momo, flashy, Alex, etc. We have learned how morally bereft the Liberal Socialists minds have become. They have shown us how devious, distorted, and tricky Liberals really are. The so called party of tolerance is in
            reality, narrow minded, bigoted, biased and racist.

            They have learned the tactic of accusing us of being exactly what they are. They try to turn it around and confound and confuse the issues. They have become master of this strategy. It has to be a strategy as all of the Liberals are doing it.

            The Conservatives thought we were supposed
            to play fair, but we are catching on fast. The little Socialists don’t like it.
            Isn’t that just too bad?
            Isn’t that just too sad?

            So as we learn how to communicate with this
            intolerance on their side, they then become foul mouthed and vulgar, more offensive, even trying to play the RACE card and lie. As smilee said, “Being
            liberal is irrelevant to the truth.”

            We have learned a lot about Liberals on
            this site. We have also learned why Liberals shouldn’t be in control, because in reality, they are nasty. As smilee said, “ Now your getting nasty. It sure shows a lack of charcter.”

            All you’re doing Liberal Socialists bullies, is giving us the reason and greater fortitude to stand up for truth, honor, our Great Country, and our Constitution.

            GET USED TO IT!!!

          • Sarah417

            I couldn’t agree more.

          • nc

            JANA, you are forgetting something very basic! The Constitution is also the Constitution of the liberals. This country is also OUR country! We are bullies because we used the Constitutional 60 plus votes to pass legislation that you don’t like and that is bullying??? Do you know what your side would have done if they had gotten those 60 plus votes in the Senate in the last several years! YOU WOULD HAVE KILLED THAT LEGISLATION!! BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE “AMERICAN WAY’ IF YOU HAD DONE IT AND NOT BULLYING, RIGHT?????
            Do I smell a double standard here?????Do I smell bigotry for your side???

          • Jana

            We do not call you racists. We are not trying to turn this country into a socialist country!
            What’s so sad is you realize you are a bunch of bullies and you are proud of it. You are the epitome of the bigot and the double standard but are too ignorant to see it.

          • Jana

            By the way, Thank you for proving me right!

        • Alex

          Sarah417, When I first came across the PLD I was alarmed at the amount of pure hatred expressed by most of its followers (let me state here most emphatically that I am not without guilt in that regard and have been called out many times by fellow PLD posters for my anger and vitriol–of course, mine is justified and underscored by reality, but I do apologize just the same. I admit to not always being rational in my thoughts, but it would be extremely rare for me to post something as ‘fact’ when it is not, and i will always admit to those few errors).
          Anyhow, my shock at the lies being passed and the anger being fomented by the Fright Wing was quite alarming.
          “Wow—this country is really stupid,” I thought, “we’re dooomed…”
          Thank God Eye have come to see that you poor, misguided, superstitious unimaginative people are no more than a very loud and hysterical gang. No, child, the “TEA Party”, as you choose to refer to the mob, is
          decidedly NOT “everyone all across” the White Estates of Amerikkka, but just a shallow, hate-filled granfaloon guided by such delusional foma as “American Exceptionalism”.
          The American Right is becoming less-relevant by the day, but you just don’t get it. Gerrymandered congressional districts will only last so long. You will not be taking the Senate, and as more and more state house look to Progress, a more realistic set of district lines wilol take shape, negating the only real power left to the Right.

          In short: you’re soon to be a Historical footnote for future generations to study a time when Ignorance, Hatred, and Greed had such a loud, shrill and lonely voice.

          If you really DO believe in the strength of the Teabaggers, I urge you to PLEASE start your own, third party. You can hold your rallies at Nuremburg….

          • NC

            Alex, What never ceases to amaze me is the tea party groups’ necessity to feel that liberals fear them! What is there about them that we should fear? It certainly is not their leaders! Michele Bachmann and Caribou Barbie Palin????? Cruz and Beck???? Really??? Every time they open their mouth 100 more comedians get work!!
            I certainly don’t fear them! I love it when they drop their “pearls of wisdom” on the public!! INTELLIGENT ADULT INDEPENDENTS ROLL THEIR EYES IN DISBELIEF THAT BACHMANN AND COMPANY CAN BE THAT STUPID! I WISH THE TEA PARTY CONTINUED SUCCESS AS THE ANCHOR AROUND THE NECK OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! SEE THE LATEST POLLS!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Which of the 57 states do you live in, NutCase?

          • Sarah417

            Very Good.

          • Sarah417

            You can only make fun of us and call us names. You have nothing inside of you other than hatred. You cannot even come up with an intelligent conversation other than bashing us. I win, you lose

          • NC

            Sarah417, I DO NOT HATE YOU! I PITY YOU! I PITY YOUR INABILITY TO REALIZE THAT THE MODERN WORLD IS LEAVING YOU BEHIND!
            The young people of today are living in their world and you people want them to live in yours and the one taught by your parents! AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN AND YOU CONSERVATIVES ARE LOSING THEIR SUPPORT BY TRYING TO FORCE THEM TO LIVE THERE!
            The young females want to run their lives and not be dictated to by some old white guys or mothers who have surrendered their rights to oppressive husbands! They have lived in those homes and have seen it in action! The young males have their educations and their expanded knowledge of the technical world! DON’T BE TOO STUBBORN TO LISTEN TO AND LEARN FROM THEM!
            THE CONSERVATIVE POSITION OF “OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY” IS AS DEAD AS LAST YEARS BIRD NESTS!
            IT’S WHAT JINDAL (R) CALLED CONSERVATIVES TAKING IGNORANT POSITIONS THAT ARE KILLING THEM IN THE ELECTIONS! ABORTION AND IMMIGRATION ETC. ETC.!!

          • Jana

            No, nc, no pity just hate. Your screaming temper tantrum proves that.

          • Sarah417

            NC, you have it all wrong as usual. The TEA Party goes by the Constitution. All men/women are created equal and as such the Constitution gives everyone the right to achieve to whatever level they are able to achieve, but the catch is that you must achieve it yourself and by hard work. No one is going to give it to you. No Obama phones. No handouts. Now I know you are going to misread the last sentence. There are some who truly need help, but this government has created too many welfare cheaters. Let’s back up four sentences. Hard work. This government makes it impossible to find work and those that work have been laid off or cut to part-time because of this government. Shall I go on?

            My grown children are high-tech. No one, not even the GOP is going to take away their gadgets. Guess what in this high-tech world my children are Devout Christians with upstanding morals, ethics and good citizens of their communities. Can you say that about yourself? Shall I go on?

            No one is keeping women from abortions. A women can get an abortion whenever, whereever. Too many women are using abortions as a means of birth control. That’s OK too, BUT I DON’T WANT TO PAY FOR IT. Shall I go on?

          • Sarah417

            The first thing Obama did once elected was to do away with the educational voucher system in Wash,DC. This means that parents who want a better education for their children are unable to put them in better schools. Now, was that an honorable position to take? He changed the welfare laws that Clinton put into place. That being welfare recipients no longer have to work at getting jobs. Was that an honorable position to take?

            I don’t expect you or any other liberal to understand morals, ethics, character, common sense when it’s right in front of you. So be it. I love the Lord with all my heart. I win, you lose.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            One big Argumentum ad Hominem. But what else can we expect from Alex?
            To see what Alex and his ignorant cohorts (not the Leaders who know exactly what they are doing for themselves) are taking us to, just look at the economies of the countries at the bottom of this list (the ones with the Biggest Governments):
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          • Sarah417

            I can tell from your writing that you are not an American. You are a poor misguided soul. I can’t imagine the kinds of people you have come across but it hasn’t been good.

            The TEA Party (Taxed Enough Already Party) only wants our government to return to the laws of the constitution and the bill of rights. We want lower taxes and our government spending to diminish. If our government had been following the constitution for the last one hundred years than we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in. If only Obama could bring himself to be human and go back to the constitution we would have a chance to get out of this mess we are in. Is there anything radical in what I have just told you? I think not. I have hope.

          • Jana

            If we had people using a little common sense and voting what was best for the country instead of what was going to be given to THEM, then we wouldn’t be in this mess.
            This is for momo.

      • Alex

        Farce, this is the second or third time you have mentioned questions posited by you that I seem to be skirting. Either Eye did not see them, answered them and you missed it, or perhaps I did in fact disregard them but that is unlikely.

        Please, sailor, ask aweigh…

        • Vis Fac

          EWE don’t know the difference between your A$$ and a hole in the ground let alone the difference between a Marine and a Sailor. And given the fact EWE have been liberally indoctrinated have my doubts EWE could comprehend the content. I now EWE’ve seen the questions but were too COWARDLY to respond so just for the sake of my satisfaction that EWE won’t answer Ill pose them yet a third time

          Why are EWE liberal? Again I EWE as I have asked others and have yet to receive responses other than what “EWER” idea of a response should
          be. Why are EWE the first to use pejoratives to assault others (as EWE’ve done here) when EWE have nothing to support EWER argument then become incensed when others respond in kind??

          Aside from receiving free welfare, free food stamps, government support, having no personal responsibility, believing that EWE know everything and have
          authority to dictate others how they should live, and in lieu of providing solutions to problems (that EWE continually ignore) that would actually work instead
          enacting inane ineffective statutes. In short what have EWE provided that could be considered positive towards society?

          Why is it that EWE continue to champion for the safety of our children then reverse YOUR concerns when it comes to government sanctioned murder of millions
          of innocents children through Planned Parenthood? EWE certainly make a lot of noise when a nut case goes off and murders school children but deafly mute about murder by abortion. Why is that?

          Another thing I have asked and again EWE liberals never have any response. What are EWE going to do when (not if) the money runs out and there are no more
          people to tax that pay YOUR entitlements, print more paper? When asked about the bankruptcy of Detroit EWE liberals continue to blame it on mismanagement
          forgetting Detroit has been managed by DUMBOCRITES for more than 50 years yet
          STILL do not except responsibility!!! Why is that?

          Personally; I think the biggest draw to liberalism is the lack of having to except personal responsibility for oneself and assign blame of YOUR failure on
          others.

          This eliminates the need to be proficient in school or at ones job. The old reliable liberal trademarked maxim ‘It’s not MY fault”. We all know it is an excuse for EWE to cop out.

          I am of the opinion that people with weak character weak minds and compromised morals are those who embrace liberalism. They are most often angry at success and because their lethargy and indolence will never let them achieve success so they hate,
          abase and ridicule those who have. We all know most people like to take the easy way out and in that respect the “most” here in the nation embrace liberalism.

          Since liberals feel (subconsciously) inferior and as misery loves company; liberals try to control others through statute inflicting as much misery as
          possible.

          Again; and I don’t expect a response: I would like to know why EWE think our Constitution is out dated and why EWE are willing to cede freedoms which when
          lost can never be regained sans revolution as our forefathers fought for. If EWE
          are at all honest with YOURSELF EWE will see EWE are in error a grievous error that can be fatal.

          EWE might want to visit this website (or not) as this information supports my position of your being STOOPID http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/10/pew-report-republicans-smarter-than-democrats-tea-party-more-educated-2509406.html

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I love this sentence:
            “Pew Survey confirms to a wave of surveys and studies, the GOP are better informed, more intellectually consistent, more open-minded, more empathetic and more receptive to criticism than their fellow Americans”.

          • Vis Fac

            As you can see we have a lot of descent from SMELLY rbrooks KG and ALEX in La La Land. More than likely licking their wounds because the science that like to refer us to is weird science aka pseudo science.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

    • JeffH

      Yale Professor: Media Biased Me Against Tea Party, But They’re More Scientifically Literate

      Yale Law professor Dan M. Kahan conducted an analysis of the scientific comprehension for various political groups (published by Yale’s Cultural Cognition Project). One particular element of the results was particularly surprising according to the professor: the revelation that Tea Party supporters were slightly more scientifically literate than the non-tea party population. He admitted that years of mainstream media bias had skewed his opinion:
      http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/yale-professor-media-biased-me-against-tea-party-theyre-more-scientifically-literate

      “I’m a little embarrassed, but mainly I’m just glad that I no longer hold this particular mistaken view.” – Yale Law professor Dan M. Kahan

    • WTS/JAY

      Lol! You sound like you’re scared to death, Alex. You’re afraid that the pendulum is swinging back to the right, aren’t you? Don’t you ever tire of going around and around on the political merry-go-round that goes nowhere? Is insanity preferable to freedom and control? Heavy price to pay for security…? I know, what security?

  • Ron

    don’t even try to debate smilf and his friends, their stupidity shines like the sun! example…..You have smilf and 4 of his buddies on here that are really, really, i mean really stupid…and you have (i’ll use) TheOriginalDaveH who is pretty intelligent…smilf and his buddies think that because it is 5 to 1 in their favor that makes all of them smarter than TheoriginalDaveH!! They have been taught that from birth and all the way thru school..if they went to school!!! I was taught 2+2=4…they were taught it could add up to something else and they believe it! Intelligent people use common sense and the basics…they were taught all things are right..just depends on how you look at things….so they argue for stupidity because it could be right and then try to convince intelligent people that they are not wrong

    • Ron

      “they” refers to smilf and his buddies

  • Vis Fac

    PATHETIC I’d just as soon shut everything down and start over but no one has the cajones to do it. I’ll give up all my government aid safety and interference in our lives to be able to live free. I can provide for myself I don’t need a thing from government!!!

    Libertas inaestimabilis res est
    Semper-Fi

    • Karolyn

      Well not everybody can be like you.

      • Vis Fac

        Why not? I am not a special person. If you want something bad enough you can attain it all it takes is willpower and tenacity. Of course if you are waiting for someone to do it for you then you’ll be waiting an eternity. Our liberal friends cannot grasp that concept !!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • NC

          Force, You say that if you want something bad enough you can obtain it by willpower and tenacity!
          Why can you get the type of government you want?
          Why can’t you get the type of country you think we should be?
          Somebody with more “willpower and tenacity” beat you to it and got what THEY wanted INSTEAD OF WHAT YOU WANTED?
          LET ME GUESS WHAT YOU THINK IS THE ‘REASON”! YOU THINK THEY STOLE IT FROM YOU! THEY USED 1913 CONSPIRACIES AND FALSE FLAGS AND FEMA CAMPS AND GUN CONFISCATION AND STOLE YOUR COUNTRY!
          What we liberals do grasp is that we delivered you the number one nation IN THE WORLD AND WE own the OVAL OFFICE!
          TELL US, MR. TRUE CONSERVATIVE, ONE MORE TIME, REAL SLOWLY, WHAT IT IS WE DON’T “GRASP” ABOUT RUNNING A COUNTRY AND WHY YOU “TRUE CONSERVATIVES” HAVE NEVER WON THE CHANCE?? IT MUST BE THE LIBERAL “WILLPOWER AND TENACITY” THAT DID IT!

          • Vis Fac

            DETROIT Nuff said. Too many STUPID PEOPLE LIKE YOU in this country voting to end our way of life MR NUT CASE

            Now answer and defend this.

            Why are you liberal? Let me ask you as I have asked others and have yet to receive responses other than what “your” idea of a response should be. Why are you
            the first to use pejoratives to assault others (as you’ve done here) when you have nothing to support your argument then become incensed when others respond
            in kind??

            Aside from receiving free welfare, free food stamps, government support, having no personal responsibility, believing that you know everything and have authority
            to dictate others how they should live, and in lieu of providing solutions to problems (that you continually ignore) that would actually work instead
            enacting inane ineffective statutes. In short what have you provided that could be considered positive towards society?

            Why is it that you continue to champion for the safety of our children then reverse your concerns when it comes to government sanctioned murder of millions
            of innocents children through Planned Parenthood? You certainly make a lot of noise when a nut case goes off and murders school children by deafly mute about
            murder by abortion. Why is that?

            Another thing I have asked and again you liberals never have any response. What are you going to do when (not if) the money runs out and there are no more
            people to tax that pay your entitlements, print more paper? When asked about the bankruptcy of Detroit you liberals continue to blame it on mismanagement
            forgetting Detroit has been managed by DUMBOCRITES for more than 50 years yet
            STILL do not except responsibility!!! Why is that?

            Personally; I think the biggest draw to liberalism is the lack of having to except personal responsibility for oneself and assign blame of your failure on others.
            This eliminates the need to be proficient in school or at ones job. The old reliable liberal trademarked maxim ‘It’s not MY fault”. We all know it is an excuse for you to cop out.

            I (as well as many others) am of the opinion that people with weak character, weak minds, and compromised morals are those who embrace liberalism. They are most often angry at success and because their lethargy and indolence will never let them achieve success so they hate, abase and ridicule those who have. We all know most people like to take the easy way out and in that respect the “most” here in the nation embrace liberalism.

            Since liberals feel (subconsciously) inferior and as misery loves company; liberals try to control others through statute inflicting as much misery as possible.

            Again; and I don’t expect a response: I would like to know why you think our Constitution is out dated and why you are willing to cede freedoms which when
            lost can never be regained sans revolution as our forefathers fought for. If you are at all honest with yourself you will see you are in error a grievous
            error that can be fatal.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

  • Sarah417

    A news reporter stated that they monitored for two weeks the continuing resolution going back and forth between the WH and the House. they discovered that at the last minute just before the continuing resolution was signed Mitch McConnell had tacked his pet project of three years The Ohio River Dam bill on to it for a whopping 2.92B dollars along with a Civil Liberties Oversight for 3.1M dollars and Colorado received 450M dollars for road infrastructure. That is our fraudulent congressmen at their very best.

    Now, who do you think is going to pay for all this? Not me. I don’t pay taxes and you can bet all those people on welfare don’t pay taxes either. I believe they said half of America doesn’t pay taxes. So who pays for all this? Why, the stupid people that voted for this Marxist in the WH.

    So, whos going to pay for Obamacare? Not me. I have health insurance. And you can bet all those people on welfare aren’t going to pay either. So who pays for all this. No me. I didn’t vote for obama.

    Who’s going to pay for the student loans that will go into default? No me. The American taxpayer will be paying, but half of America doesn’t pay taxes so who’s going to pay for all this?

    • Phillip Bari

      It all be passed down to our children.

      • Jana

        What are 20 somethings don’t comprehend (and they vote) is it’s going to hit them hard too!
        They keep thinking its going to be passed on to someone else.
        WAKE UP

  • Phillip Bari

    Back in the 60’s it was what you know, to get a job.
    In the 70’s it was who you know.
    In 2008, It’s whom your blowing.

    The only losers as always it’s the American People . Trying to make
    their dream come true, But the Government under Obama is tearing that
    dream away from the tax payers and passing it to Millions of Illegals,
    and the freebees that won’t work for a living.
    My heart is true to The USA, and the hard working people. My God bless them all
    and May the Devil receive them at the Hill, congress, senators, and the Leader from behind Obama.
    The tax payers are out numbered buy the 53 % 95% black’s 22million Illegals, 24 million Muslims.

    Then we have over 1.3 million Hamish, that won’t vote. This poor
    Country that is the youngest country is dead, because of the greedy
    Politics, that won’t follow the Constitution Laws, They just think of
    what they make, and pocket, steel from the tax payers. America has
    become the early Rome.
    Our leader’s name is not Obama ,it’s Judas. he has betrayed America.

  • JeffH

    Barack Obama and the Bad Ideas of Progressivism

    Barack Obama’s serial gross incompetence has elicited all sorts of explanatory theories. He’s a closet socialist, an Alinskyite radical, a secret Muslim, or an anti-American internationalist. Though some of Obama’s words and deeds give support to all these speculations, I prefer a simpler explanation.

    I mean a Progressive of the sort that flourished between the 1890’s and 1920’s, and that laid down the principles and tactics that have animated modern Democrats for decades: faux populism laced with class warfare, disregard for the Constitution, and the desire for a mammoth federal government. These are just a few of the old Progressive ideals that comprise the political philosophy of Barack Obama and much of the Democratic Party.
    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/bruce-thornton/barack-obama-and-the-bad-ideas-of-progressivism/

    • nc

      JeffH, simple minds have only simple explanations! It is the complexity of the modern word that has the conservatives in the dark! The 18th century way just doesn’t cut it today!
      There is not a single true conservative among our leaders that lead us to become the most envied nation in the world! Plenty of Progressives

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Spoken by NutCase, the guy who knows all about simple minds, as his ears are bookends to a vacuum.

      • Jana

        You said it. ” There is not a single true conservative among our leaders that lead us
        to become the most envied nation in the world! Plenty of Progressives” That momo is the problem. We have nothing but Communists and Socialists as well as Muslim Brotherhood and Progressives running this country into the ground right now. How very sad.

      • Jeff

        You should check with Original Recipe daveH on that one. He thinks all the right answers are simple – simple enough to put on a bumper sticker!

  • rwm44

    where did all the trolls go ? their mommy call lthem in for lunch and nappy

    • WTS/JAY

      Lol!

    • Jeff

      Reading newspapers perhaps?

  • Chuckb

    If there is any doubt in your mind where the Republican party stands, that is the old guard, they have disclosed their ability to again cower in defeat.

    One has to look no further than the pork added to their districts. McConnell even gained a new dam.( 2.2 billion)
    The Messiah and his pawns even threw Colorado 450.million for flood relief, that was well over the $100.million the law allows.

    And all the little pawns who think they are in line for free Healthcare, well, think again.
    Most of the polling that the Bolsheviks use to scare the timid Republicans was also a farce, People did not want Obamacare, yet, the pollsters showed the majority of people they polled were totally against the people who were trying to stop this disaster.

    The pollsters showed all the natives were in favor of everything the Messiah wanted. Now we have a third world majority in the country, We are no longer a Republic, we now are considered an Islamic Democracy. Barry has become the new Idi Amin. One wonders how the Communist Jews who control him, will they be able to hold their control?, or fall under another Stalin? they should visit the history of the Soviet Union, starting in 1917. Is there another Hitler in their future?

    • dontdoitagain

      Thank you so much for mentioning Idi Amin. He was one of the “leaders of color” I was thinking of in another post. He, Robert Mugabi, Kofi Anon, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, the moonbat from N Korea etc. Now that the O is blaming whitey for everything that is wrong in the world and inciting his followers, not to take advantage of the perks offered them, (by the hated whitey) but to feel hatred and to indulge their violent tendencies, we are fast going down the road of Idi Amin. Idi Amin emulated Hitler in many ways, but somehow he got a free pass by the world because of his skin tone. The saddest story I read was about Idi’s “purge” of a certain group of people (whites) when he told them that they were being “relocated” and to bring their valuables with them to the airport. There were stacks of goodies left there by the murdered people he had lured with promises of escape. It does remind me of Hitler.

      BTW how’s that anti apartheid working out for all those Africans? Now that they are all starving and being murdered by their own people? (and, apparently by the blue hats)

      • Jeff

        I don’t know that Idi Amin got a “pass” as he is generally reviled as one of the craziest leaders of all time. It is true that because most of his victims were Black, he is not considered “evil” in the Hitler or Stalin sense, but that is more because he wasn’t nearly as dangerous to us or to the world as a whole as the earlier European versions.

    • Jeff

      Chuckie:

      Thank you for making clear the unity of so-called “conservative” views with the kind of racism/Anti-Semitism/homophobia/sheer idiocy your posts routinely exhibit. Is Obama Hitler or is he Stalin? Is Chuckie a drooling idiot or a moping moron? You are certainly a paranoid schizophrenic. Anyone who believes anything you post would buy the Brooklyn Bridge from Ted Cruz!!!

      • stalinarota14 humanrights

        I bought the golden gate bridge from Sen. Ted Cruz

        • Jeff

          Well, the House Repugs certainly did.

      • stalinarota14 humanrights

        learn Spanish.. our next national change from anglo American minority to the brown spansh speaking majority. who is a SAR or DAR? a culture shock.. a clash of language, border, culture by Michael Savage.. the savage nation..

  • WTS/JAY

    Many people seem to believe whole-heartedly in the false left-right paradigm of American politics, as if the two major political parties are in opposition to each other. In fact, such a notion couldn’t be further from the truth and the two major parties are more like one party with two different faces and the same agenda to push forward. They are only but two different sides to the same coin, giving the illusion that government is balanced with a major opposition movement.

    Think about it for a minute… Both major political parties only differ on relatively unimportant issues, while they work in tandem on the interests that contradict our own, generally those that benefit corporate and special interests at the expense of our own interests. Both Democrats and Republicans seem to work together on issues that are extremely important to us, though we don’t really get the implications of these issues because there is no opposition to these issues or the opposition that there is, is effectively suppressed and ignored.

    There are fundamental flaws with our current system and these flaws are detrimental to not only our well being, but the well being of our country, our freedom and our way of life. However, these flaws will never be addressed, as there is no effective opposition to address them and these flaws happen to benefit the agenda and entities that both parties are in collusion with.

    While we bicker back and forth about the most unimportant of issues, our system is being raped and in danger of crashing down on us.

    Our mind is of three categories: What we know, what we don’t know and what we don’t know we don’t know. Not knowing is unfortunate; not knowing that we don’t know is tragic.” –W. Erhart

    What major accomplishment has either party contributed to the American people? Now, with that in mind, what have they contributed to corporate and special interests? Both major political parties seem to put corporate and special interests far above the interests of the people and these interests almost always contradict each other.

    In fact, for anyone who can take a minute or two to research, you would see the same lobbies and corporations contribute equally to both major parties and in return, these major parties contribute back, on an equal footing.

    The Democratic party doesn’t contribute any more or less than the Republican party. The people of this country are merely divided in two, distracted by non-sense and conquered by influences that control it all.

    As far as opposition, where was the opposition for the Iraq war?

    What about the bank bailouts or the Obamacare that really only benefits the insurance industry?

    How about the Patriot Act, HGTP Act or the plethora of other unconstitutional policies brought forth by those controlling the government?

    Where was this so-called opposition with 9/11, NAFTA, anthrax, warrantless wiretapping or the other seemingly important issues that go against the interest of the people?

    Tell me, was this country better off with the Republicans in control, as opposed to the Democrats?

    What about with the Democrats as opposed to the Republicans?

    When you look at the issues that are really important to the preservation of liberty and freedom in this country, if you even know what they are, is one party really better than the other and is either party working for you or the interests of the country as a whole?

    We are stuck in an endless cycle of Republican versus Democrat and the only things that seem to get done, are the things that benefit the elites and their corporate vessels.

    The Republicans will be on top for a time, only to have the people become fed up with the direction of government, then the Democrats come in to do the same exact thing. The pendulum quickly falls back to the Republicans and so the cycle continues, all the while the only losers are us, the American people…

    http://airspoon.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/the-two-party-system-two-sides-of-the-same-coin/

    • KG

      Just answer the question: Is there a Republican way to build a bridge, or a Democrat way to build a bridge?

      If you are honest in your approach, then your lies about both parties being the same will melt before your eyes.

      • WTS/JAY

        Your question presupposes that there is actually a two-party system and that both parties are diametrically opposed in philosophical views and moral conviction(s). Since it is clear that you believe it to be so, and i don’t, then it would better that your question, which clearly reveals your gullibility and your delusion, be answered by you…?

        • KG

          So, since you didn’t answer the question, I’m assuming that you believe there is no fundamental difference between Mr Obama and Mr Bush.

          • WTS/JAY

            I have, answered your question, and you have acknowledged as much by your second, and rhetorical question. Btw, when will you, answer your question?

          • KG

            To be, or not to be–that is the question:

            Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
            The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
            Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
            And by opposing end them. To die, to sleep–
            No more–and by a sleep to say we end
            The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
            That flesh is heir to. ‘Tis a consummation
            Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep–
            To sleep–perchance to dream: ay, there’s the rub,
            For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
            When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
            Must give us pause. There’s the respect
            That makes calamity of so long life.
            For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
            Th’ oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely
            The pangs of despised love, the law’s delay,
            The insolence of office, and the spurns
            That patient merit of th’ unworthy takes,
            When he himself might his quietus make
            With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
            To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
            But that the dread of something after death,
            The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
            No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
            And makes us rather bear those ills we have
            Than fly to others that we know not of?
            Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
            And thus the native hue of resolution
            Is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought,
            And enterprise of great pitch and moment
            With this regard their currents turn awry
            And lose the name of action. — Soft you now,
            The fair Ophelia! — Nymph, in thy orisons
            Be all my sins remembered.

          • WTS/JAY

            10 Interesting Facts About Shakespeare:

            1. Although Shakespeare is known to even every kid, but nobody in the world knows his exact and actual date of birth.

            2. Anne Hathaway (Shakespeare’s wife) was three months pregnant when they got marriaged. Shakespeare was eight years younger than his wife.

            3. Many facts of his life are unknown and are referred to as Lost Years.

            4. His father was a money lender and was accused of lending money at the rate of 20% and 25%.

            5. William Arden was a relative of Shakespeare’s mother and was executed for plotting against Queen Elizabeth 1.

            6. Shakespeare and his company built two Globe Theaters.

            7. Shakespeare never published any of his plays himself.

            8. Shakespeare and the famous Globe Actors were implicated in the Essex Rebellion of 1601.

            9. Many politicians and authors don’t believe that Shakespeare himself wrote his plays.

            10. All of Shakespeare’s family members were illetrate.

          • stalinarotahumanrights

            I love Shakespeare.. lets be …

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        That makes no sense, Cagey. Par for the course with you.

  • Diane Ringen

    I do look at the best of what our country has been. the pride, the patriotism, the satisfaction that comes from hard work and a job well done, I am terrified about our future!

  • JeffH

    A call to arms: Emboldened tea party moves to finish off weak Republicans

    “Our country can’t afford any more bad votes that stem from old friends and back-room deals,” said Daniel Horowitz, deputy political director of the Madison Project. http://madisonproject.com/ “And as witnessed from the recent budget battle against Obamacare, we cannot win against Democrats if we don’t grow our conservative bench in the Senate.”

    The “tea party” lawmakers say they could have won if all Republicans had stuck together, and the lesson they draw is that they need to oust those who surrendered.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/17/tea-party-determined-not-chastened-after-loss/#ixzz2i6zRpbbj

  • WTS/JAY

    Obamacare levies fines on non-profit hospitals that offer free healthcare to the poor…

    It’s one of the lesser-known provisions in the so-called “Affordable” Care Act, but it’s having a major impact on charitable hospitals. Obamacare actually fines hospitals that provide free health services to the poor.

    from Daily Caller:

    Charitable hospitals that treat uninsured Americans will be subjected to new levels of scrutiny of their nonprofit status and could face sizable new fines under Obamacare.

    A new provision in Section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code, which takes effect under Obamacare, sets new standards of review and installs new financial penalties for tax-exempt charitable hospitals, which devote a minimum amount of their expenses to treat uninsured poor people. Approximately 60 percent of American hospitals are currently nonprofit.

    Charity for the uninsured is one of the factors that could discourage enrollment in Obamacare, which requires all Americans to purchase health insurance or else face new taxes themselves from the IRS.

    “It requires tax-exempt hospitals to do a community needs survey and file additional paperwork with the IRS every three years. This is to prove that the charitable hospital is still needed in their geographical area — ‘needed’ as defined by Obamacare and overseen by IRS bureaucrats,” said John Kartch, spokesman for Americans for Tax Reform.

    “Failure to comply, or to prove this continuing need, could result in the loss of the hospital’s tax-exempt status. The hospital would then become a for-profit venture, paying income tax — hence the positive revenue score” for the federal government, Kartch said. “Obamacare advocates turned over every rock to find as much tax money as possible.”

    read more: http://poorrichardsnews.com/po

  • Bob666

    Poll: GOP bitter over tea party

    By JOSE DELREAL | 10/16/13 5:12 PM EDT

    The tea party’s approval rating is spiraling downward — and that’s just among Republican voters.

    The conservative group’s favorability has fallen a dramatic 20 percentage points among moderate and liberal Republicans, down to 27 percent from 46 percent in June, according to a new Pew poll released on Wednesday.

    The tea party’s favorability among all voters is 30 percent, down from 37 percent in June. The groups’ unfavorability has risen among all voters to 49 percent from 45 percent in June.

    The new poll numbers follow a two-week government shutdown largely blamed on tea party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and House conservatives.

    Cruz’s own favorability numbers are a telling example of divisions within the Republican Party. Among tea party voters, Cruz’s favorability now stands at 74 percent, up from 47 percent in July. His favorability remains at 25 percent among mainstream Republicans, according to the Pew survey, down just one point from 26 percent in July.

    The survey of 1,504 adults was conducted Oct. 9-13 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/poll-gop-tea-party-98409.html#ixzz2i7wijkum

    For those who can’t deal with reality, vote down here.
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    • Jana

      Bob can you tell us how many on this site are even members of the TEA Party?

      I am not, although I certainly support them. You did say one thing though that makes a lot of sense,
      “The conservative group’s favorability has fallen a dramatic 20
      percentage points among moderate and liberal Republicans, down to 27
      percent from 46 percent in June, according to a new Pew poll released
      on Wednesday.”
      If they are liberal they are considered RINO’s anyway. A lot of people who say they are moderates are really not, they are liberals and might as well be Democrats. If they think like a Democrat why oh why don’t they go ahead and join the Democrat party?

      Thanks for the update.

      • Bob666

        Yo Jana,
        One question for you.

        You have made numerous comments regarding your dislike of John McCain. Given your choice between Obama & McCain, who would you have preferred to be the president?

        • Jana

          Neither. They are both the same as far as I am concerned. Same for Romney. He really didn’t want the job. I have no idea why he even ran when he really didn’t want the presidency.

          • Bob666

            Jana,

            I guess that you missed my point.

            You don’t get the candidate that you want, you the get the candidates that you end up with and if you’re lucky, the candidate that best aligns with your personal beliefs and agenda gets elected.

            What you have a shot at in 2016 will probably be what you refer to as a RINO unless the TEA party hammers out another ultra conservative and that is their agenda.

            if so, get use to the term President Clinton.

          • WTS/JAY

            Bob: You don’t get the candidate that you want, you the get the candidates that you end up with and if you’re lucky, the candidate that best aligns with your personal beliefs and agenda gets elected.

            Wrong Bob! What either side gets, is a candidate(s) that best aligns with the personal beliefs and agenda of the lobbyists and their giant Corporations that they represent! I had no idea you were so NAIVE, Bob. Are you sure you’re a Libertarian? You sound more like a lobbyist to me!

            Bob: if so, get use to the term President Clinton.

            No Bob. If so, get use to more raping and pillaging!

          • Bob666

            Yo Jay,

            “Wrong Bob! What either side gets, is a candidate(s) that best aligns with the personal beliefs and agenda of the lobbyists and their giant Corporations that they represent”!

            On that statement, you are correct. But the bottom line is; it gets down to elect-ability, a viable candidate that will garner the most votes.

            since you chose to respond for Jana-who would you have been happier with Jay?

          • Sarah417

            Sorry, you’re both wrong. The person with the biggest bank account wins.

          • Bob666

            Yo Sara,
            Thank you, I could not have said that better.

          • Robert Messmer

            Or at least the biggest bank account supporting his campaign. It is was just personal account we would have had Ross Perot as President.

          • WTS/JAY

            Bob: On that statement, you are correct. But the bottom line is; it gets down to elect-ability, a viable candidate that will garner the most votes.since you chose to respond for Jana-who would you have been happier with Jay?

            Hmm, now you sound just like KG, Bob.

          • Jana

            I didn’t miss your point. It’s a moot point so I answered the way I wanted to. Just like you do.

          • Jeff

            Except for a few details. With McCain, we’d still be in Iraq; plus, we’d be at war with Syria and Iran, bombing them to the tune of a septuagenarian singing Beach Boys music. Of course, the poor would still have no shot at insurance and kids would be cut off because of a pre-existing condition. But a moron like you could still call him a commie, so it’s all good.

          • Robert Messmer

            And with ACA the poor still have no shot at insurance since it is not about healthcare anyway.

          • Jeff

            I’d love to discuss this with you, but I’m pretty nearly sane!

          • Robert Messmer

            Ok when you do regain the rest of your sanity, we can continue the discussion.

          • Jeff

            If you’re sane then read your posts before they go out because your crazy twin is posting some pretty nutty stuff.

          • Robert Messmer

            Enlighten me with your opinion concerning “some pretty nutty stuff”, please.

          • Jeff

            “And with ACA the poor still have no shot at insurance since it is not about healthcare anyway.”

            The ACA is not about healthcare? Is it really about giving the UN dominion over your precious bodily fluids? I rest my case.

    • WTS/JAY

      Bob: The tea party’s approval rating is spiraling downward — and that’s just among Republican voters.

      It’s supposed to spiral downward, or be the cause of discontent among the brainwashed, how else would they be able to maintain the dialectical-process in motion and achieve their pre-scripted diabolical-goals?

      http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm

      • Bob666

        Yo Jay,
        How is that working for your and the American people?

        • WTS/JAY

          More importantly; how is that working for you, Bob?

          • Bob666

            Oh yes, answer a question with a question.
            I rest my case……

          • WTS/JAY

            What case, Bob? Do tell!

          • Bob666

            It flew over your head Jay

          • WTS/JAY

            How news really works…

            CNN: Obama appeals to Pepsi fans.

            FOX-NEWS: Obama declares war on Coke.

            MSNBC: In about an hour, we will have live coverage of Obama drinking the best cola. All who disagree are racist.

            REAL NEWS: 18 DIE IN U.S. DRONE STRIKE IN PAKISTAN.

          • Bob666

            The point being?

          • WTS/JAY

            Flew over your head, Bob?

          • Jeff

            Arguing with Jay is like arguing with a table except the table will say fewer dumb things. Unfortunately, our eyes and ears have to be assaulted by the idiotic posts and comments of the likes of Jay, Louis Gohmert, Steve King, et. al.

          • Bob666

            Actually,
            He is quite the politician, noticed how he answered a question with a question to sidestep an answer (that was probably bad anyway). I do believe that he gets caught up in the argument and loses tack of why he is arguing with you.

            Kind of like the GOP and Obama, if it was the GOP’s idea and Obama supports it, they turn 180 degrees and come out against it.

    • Sarah417

      You miss the whole point. There is a difference between Constitutional Conservative and the Republican GOP. TEA Party members wouldn’t vote for one Republican House member including Boehner. Cruz’s rating is up among TEA Party members. The GOP is dead but not buried. Soon, very soon.

    • Lock & Load in Arizona

      Do you really believe the polls? They are reported by the same people that tell us Obamacare is going to be good for the country. Politicians and Americans (I’m not sure I can include politicians in the group of Americans) need to ignore the polls and just do what we all know is RIGHT for the USA. We cannot sustain the spending coming out of DC.

      Like they said… LOCK and LOAD!

      • Bob666

        L/L,

        “They are reported by the same people that tell us Obamacare is going to be good for the country”.

        I have not reported any such polls and the polling sources that I use make no such statements or results. This particular poll is trending in the same direction that five other independent and diverse polls are reporting.

        Will you be claiming election fraud when Hillary Clinton gets sworn in in 2017?

        • Scott

          God help us if she does

          • Bob666

            Better get on your knees and start praying.

      • Bill

        Good comments, Lock and Load

  • hambone

    The movie “Idiocracy” comes to mind.

  • Jeff

    Why put “bipartisan” in quotes? I understand how much you despise bipartisanship because it implies compromise, but one uses quotes around a word that doesn’t quite fit. How can an 81-18 vote be anything other than bipartisan?

  • jerry1944

    Just wait till we get enough Real Conservatives Like T Cruz and M Lee in the place of the flag waveing mods in office

  • stalinarotafor humanrights

    political enforced medical reform is terrible..it is equal economic opportunity.. it is a threat to freedom…what’s next? Labor Camps??

  • stalinarotafor humanrights

    I made a Typo… it is not an equal economic opportunity..

  • stalinarotafor humanrights

    the government needs to stop intruding into the private lives of people. We have a crime problem. Many criminal minded people work in the Government and in the medical System. They use false documents and smear tactics of race to gain access to the most vulnerable the homeless, the mentally ill, the elderly, those African Americans are organized and pick there victims secretly and are protected by the corrupt Obama administration where “whites’ are mistreated and labeled by bad names. Together the Asians, Hispanics, African Americans, and the majority. The Anglo americans are the minority. Who can trace the ancestry to the American Revolution. SAR and DAR..? we all are immigrants….Many poor Whites are discriminated by Asians,African Americans, Hispanic… Ever been to Cuba for Medical care? or Chicago? Who will be the next community organizer??Learn Spanish if you want to participate in the Welfare State of CA… Foodstamps and the overpopulation of needy children on Welfare..many undocumumented immigrants use Mexico to enter the USA from all nations not just Mexico.. it is an economic industry to get into the USA and use false documents, The constitution needs to change, The children can only get entitlements if both parents were born in the USA.What is going on now is children supporting their parents with Welfare, health care, crime, and food stamps. Many homeless shelters are for immigrants. Who can pay or be the next victim of crime every day.