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Reporter Arrested On Capitol Hill

February 3, 2012 by  

Reporter Arrested On Capitol Hill

Throwing aside the First Amendment Wednesday morning, lawmakers at a hearing on Capitol Hill directed police to arrest a documentary film crew that was attempting to film a hearing on fracking, a controversial method of drawing natural gas from the earth.

The Huffington Post reported Wednesday morning: “Josh Fox, director of the Academy Award-nominated documentary “Gasland” was taken into custody by Capitol Hill police this morning, along with his crew, after Republicans objected to their presence, according to Democratic sources present at the hearing.”

According to the Los Angeles Times, Fox and his crew had joined other media in the Rayburn building on Capitol Hill to record the hearing by a House subcommittee on Science, Space and Technology, led by Representative Andy Harris (R-Md.), a vocal proponent of fracking. Police reportedly arrested the filmmaker at the request of House Republicans who said he lacked the proper press credentials.

House Democrats have criticized the Republican decision.

“I have served in the House of Representatives since 1992, and I had the privilege of chairing the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties. In all that time, I cannot recall a chair of any committee or subcommittee having ever ordered the removal of a person who was filming a committee proceeding and not being disruptive, whether or not that person was accredited,” said Representative Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.). “The proceedings of the House are open to the public because we are the People’s House.”

Fox also released a statement reading, in part:

 

The First Amendment to the Constitution states explicitly “Congress shall make no law…that infringes on the Freedom of the Press”. Which means that no subcommittee rule or regulation should prohibit a respectful journalist or citizen from recording a public hearing. This was an act of civil disobedience, yes done in an impromptu fashion, but at the moment when they told me to turn off the cameras, I could not. I know my rights and I felt it was imperative to exercise them. When I was led out of the hearing room in handcuffs, John Boehner’s pledge of transparency in congress was taken out with me.

 

Fox is charged with unlawful entry, his court date is set for February 15.

“Gasland” trailer below:

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • s c

    New York, you SURE picked a ‘winner’ when you elected Representative Nads. Is he so incredibly stupid that he thinks the House is REALLY “open” and that Americans will rally around the idea that the House is the cherished monument of people who know who’s who and what’s what?
    Nads, you make me glad that conservatives don’t believe in that Big Tent theory. You prove Groucho Marx’s opinion that he wouldn’t be a part of any ‘country club’ that would have him as a member.
    Go home. Get a job. STAY at home. YOU can be replaced by a small monkey with a keyboard, Nads.

    • Karolyn

      I don’t get why you have a problem with somebody standing up for what’s right. Don’t you have anything else to say about this topic other than dissing somebody who came out on the side of freedom?

    • mark111

      Whether one agrees with fracking or not, the fact that someone was arrested to be removed from a Congressional hearing open to reporters and the public is a violation of the Constitution. If the meeting was open to credentialed reporters only and he did not have press credentials then he should have gotten the credentials prior to being there. If he had them and was arrested and removed, then the Constitution was violated.

      I personally think his Gasland film was sensationalized and possibly deliberately misleading as hydraulic fracturing has been used for decades in the oil and gas industry. That being said, whatever issues there may be that have occured and polluted water supplies need to be investigated and the companies responsible held accountable. Justice has unfortunately become very influenced by money.

      • Karolyn

        You might have a different opinion of fracking if it was your water that was catching fire. Big money can skew facts however they want to win the war for more money. It may have been used for decades; however, there was no one to speak out about it. With some issues, it takes a long time for a crusader or crusaders to be brave enough to buck the system and expose wrongs. Most people don’t have the guts.

        • Sirian

          As so many others Karolyn, five years ago, if that much, you wouldn’t have had the slightest idea as to what “frakking” was. This is what irritates me to no end. Environmentalists jump on a new subject and push the jeezers out of it even though as mark111 said, it’s been used as a means to get natural gas for decades. If it is such a dangerous method of gaining extra gas (explosions all the time) don’t you honestly think that the oil & gas industries would continue to use it? If it is so detrimental to the well being of “humans”, no matter where they may be located, then why have we not heard of the “pandemic levels” of health problems directly contributive to that process of acquiring natural gas. Oh, they’ve been covering this problem up for years and years? Please. . . give it a bit more thought Karolyn.

          • Flashy

            “If it is such a dangerous method of gaining extra gas (explosions all the time) don’t you honestly think that the oil & gas industries would continue to use it?”

            yes.

          • Karolyn

            Is it really necessary to reach “pandemic” levels? Every life is important. More and more is being learned and publicized about the threats to health that Big Pharma and Big Corp are perpetrating, even though it is played down by government and conservatives.
            Here is an unbiased blog on fracking which presents pros and cons for both sides:
            http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4275

            You see, I do investigate both sides of issues before making my decisions.

          • Sirian

            Flash-o-man-o,
            As usual, you’ve given this very little thought. Typical. OK, then in reference to your statement – “yes” – then exactly what are you basing this answer on other than opinion? Can you factually show me that it is a very, very common thing that drilling rigs drilling for natural gas, frakking or otherwise, are blowing up all the time. Presumedly you are seeing evening news reports all the time of such accidents. Really? What station please? If it so terribly dangerous then what is the average life expectancy of natural gas well drilling roughnecks in the U.S.? Be sure to list the specific number of frakking rigs that blow up? Can I expect a factual answer? From you? LOL!!!

          • Flashy

            look at the question asked. I did not state it was occurring all the time, but do i think the liability losses are weighed in a cost benefit analysis? Absolutely.

            Rephrase the question. Do you honestly think if tobacco companies believed cigarettes ruined health and lives they would produce and sell them?

            Why do employers use undocumented workers? Because even if caught, the cost is less than the gains made.

            The company makes X in profits. They calculate the cost of litigation and settlement (Y). If X is greater than Y, there’s the decision.

          • Thinking About

            Sirian, you forgot your references also and I do not accept unproven sources as YouTube. Practice what you preach.

        • wandamurline

          If the meeting was closed door, then you are not invited to attend. If it was an open meeting and other press was in attendance, then you should have the right to film…but, you must keep in mind that when you film someone to show others, you must also get their permission to use their faces in your film. People who are being filmed have some rights as well. I am not sure exactly what was going on….maybe the film crew for a documentary is not considered the news medias…not enough information. I do know that if the environmentalists continue to stop the production of oil, gas and coal…winters are going to get much colder when you don’t have heat, and summers are going to be hotter when you don’t have air conditoning, not to mention walking or riding your bicycles when gasoline is not available. I can remember when Carter was president…interest rates were 21%, our military was a joke, and you had to wait in line for gas with the hope that the station you were waiting at would still have some when it became your turn. Most Americans have not had to go through bad times until now…and believe me, it is going to get worse should the imposter in chief get another 4 years to tear down America.

          • Flashy

            “you must keep in mind that when you film someone to show others, you must also get their permission to use their faces in your film”

            Not when the person is a public figure or the meeting is a public meeting.

          • Joe H.

            wandamurline,
            If they continue to try to close down gas wells and exploration, you better PRAY for GLOBAL WARMING!!!

          • Preston

            2/4/12, God forbid we get 4 more years of BO&Co. Civil war will erupt. What we need right now is max energy production; that means KXL, more drilling/fracking, and yes, ‘alternative sources’ where applicable.

        • ChristyK

          Althogh I disagree with Gasland and think it was intentionally misleading, I will defend his right to be there and to film.

          Fracking did not cause the flame in the water. In many water systems, the break down of organic matter can release methane and cause the water to be able to be ignited. It has nothing to do with fracking. The fracking process happens thousands of feet below the aquafer and has no effect whatsoever on water quality. The companies that use fracking do constant testing of the nearby water and it has never been shown to have any effect on water quality.

          • Flashy

            Ummmm….there’s enough anecdotal evidence to suggest fracking does indeed leak into water supplies, causes emissions which are harmful to health and safety, disrupts communities and local economies, and plunders the local resources leaving the consequences for the locals after the company clears out.

            I suggest you read up on the process and the stories being told in Pa, NY, etc .

            When done in Texas and Okla., the drier states, the process did not have such immediate consequences and may not show for years. But in the moore liquid states…the effects show up much quicker.

            Why do you think the companies are hesitant to reveal the chemmies they use in the fracking process?

            As well, do you really believe the stress fractures caused by fracking leak only one way?

          • eddie47d

            Since this Trailer on Gasland was mostly filmed in Colorado I can attest that it is true. That gentleman whose faucet caught on fire is in Weld County just north of Denver County. The gas company at the time took no responsibility and denied it was because of drilling. Actually it was but oil and gas companies duck and cover all the time. It did wake the State up to fracking and tough new laws were brought about because of the abuses. There we go again laws and regulations to protect the health and well being of our citizens.They are needed no matter who says they are not. As you can see in this Trailer there are many wells in Colorado. About 21 thousand pumping gas and oil on the Front Range so they are not going away and fracking will still be with us. Natural gas is big business here and not the enemy but we do demand responsibility from these companies who weren’t to responsible a few years ago.

          • Joe H.

            ChristyK,
            Years ago in FT. Meyers Fla, the water there was so bad that you had to let it set for two hours minimum before drinking it and a full day in the fridge was better. they finally had to go to munincipal water system to correct the problem. What a mess.
            Oh, BTW the problem with the water? It was natural sulfer in the water.

        • meteorlady

          OK Karo where and when did water catch fire? Was it actually fracking that caused this?

          See I live with these wells all around me and they tested our ground water monthly for the first year after they started the process and found nothing. The community where I am is surrounded by the Brazos River and some of the wells actually went below the river and came onto our side to get the natural gas. Still no pollution because they were well below the ground water tables.

          With all that said, I do have a problem with fracking… it uses HUGE amounts of fresh water. That water is then recovered and dumped into waste water disposal wells. Those wells are also monitored and nothing has been found, but the fact remains that there is only so much fresh water around, especially in Texas, and it needs to be reclaimed instead of dumped.

      • Karolyn

        sc – You still did not respond to my question. Why are you dissing Nadler for standing up for our right to attend hearings?

        • Vigilant

          “sc – You still did not respond to my question. Why are you dissing Nadler for standing up for our right to attend hearings?”

          Uh, Karolyn, they had no press credentials. I suppose you would also try to legitimaize OWS protestors into the Peoples’ House too?

          • Karolyn

            If it was a conservative filmmaker who was doing a film on how wonderful the Republicans were, would you feel the same way? My question was why would anyone not stand behind someone else’s first amendment rights. As Nadler said: it is the people’s house. What did Nadler say that brought the wrath of sc is all I want to know?

          • Flashy

            The ‘credentials’ argument fails. The crew was never asked for credentials, and to garner them takes approx. five minutes with proper identification as “media”, which the crew had.

            The GOP members plain out and out did not want their involvement with their controllers made so openly public. Hope y’all are proud.

          • Vigilant

            “Fox and his crew had joined other media in the Rayburn building on Capitol Hill to…”

            Flashy, what part of “other media” do you not understand? Kills your argument, for sure.

          • Vigilant

            Karolyn syas, “My question was why would anyone not stand behind someone else’s first amendment rights. As Nadler said: it is the people’s house. What did Nadler say that brought the wrath of sc is all I want to know?”

            First Amendment my backside. It was about not having credentials, period. He was charged with unlawful entry by Capitol Hill police who also gave him a court date to appear on the 15th of February.

          • Joe H.

            Vigilant,
            Careful there!! you’re speaking common sense and surely you know karolyn doesn’t process common sense!!!

      • APN

        Mark111 said: ” If the meeting was open to credentialed reporters only and he did not have press credentials then he should have gotten the credentials prior to being there. If he had them and was arrested and removed, then the Constitution was violated.”

        Where does it state in the constitution that only credentialed reporters should have access to our representation? I think the constitution gives ANY American Citizen access to a public hearing.

        Or did I miss something here?

        • Vigilant

          Yes, you missed something here.

        • c.w.s.

          APN… the Constitution states that each house make make the rules of it’s proceedings… also, the freedom of press is the freedom to publish the information presented, it does not carry with it the absolute “access” to information…

          Back on Sept 10, 2001, one of the Islamic leaders that was thought to friendly to the US was assassinated by a ‘news’ crew. Supposedly, on that same day an unidentified news crew showed up and asked to interview President Bush, but was turned away. Without some sort of clearance, I’d side with caution in certain situations. That said, Mr. Fox is/was a known entity and I suspect that political philosophies played a great hand.

      • c.w.s.

        you say that hydraulic fracturing has been around for decades…TRUE…BUT. The chemicals used in this process are considered to be ‘proprietary’ and not even the federal government is allowed to know what chemicals are used. Now, if you’re some giant chemical corporation and you have millions of gallons of hazardous waste product that will cost billions to dispose of…hmmmm…let’s see now, where can we get rid of this….

        This is NOT the same as the hydraulic fracturing done with just water when a home’s water well doesn’t produce the desired gallons per minute.

        Like all documentaries, the film may be hyped, dependent upon one’s predisposed beliefs. I am a firm believer in the Constitution, but am not convinced that this particular case has freedom of the press merit. Congress has always required preregistration for press, even in OPEN meetings. This case will hinge upon if Fox’s request was intentionally delayed I believe.

      • James

        Mark111, I fail to see how arresting someone could be a violation of the Constitution. It restricts Congress from making certain types of law, it says nothing about personal donduct. Your thinking is classic, anything one thinks is bad, is also unconstitutional.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Pretty obvious the Republicans don’t want anyone to have easy access to the truth about fracking. It’s been this way since Cheney’s secret energy meetings where they (corporate energy officials and that Executive Branch) drew up the rules that make fracking so controversial.

    • Vigilant

      The public and those with press credentials had access to the meeting. I didn’t hear the Repubs bitching about that. Next time, Mr. Sarvis, don’t make your baldfaced lying so obvious.

      • Flashy

        Vig

        1. the crew was never asked for credentials
        2. They were the only film crew there (ABC was there but had no film crew present)
        3. With proper ID, credentials takes about 5 minutes to garner (I know … I used to live in DC and attended a few committee hearings in the galleries)

        Live up to the fact…

        • Vigilant

          He was charged with unlawful entry by Capitol Hill police who also gave him a court date to appear on the 15th of February.

    • vieteravet

      Do you think, the meeting was not to be filmed, the other reporters may not have used video. When he was instructed to turn off the cammera and he didn’t, that is where the problem arised! You don’t know the whole story. You’re basing your assumption on one side!

  • ARMY1971

    We have the same anti fracking crowd here in NY state. We are about as broke as can be, no private sector jobs, cops, teachers etc making over 125k per year. And we find one thing that would maybe solve the problem, and the envrio nut jobs will not let us do it.

    • s c

      Army1971, do you think the two utopians above read your comment or understood it? All they seem to care about is ‘Big government, more power to the government, higher taxes, generational servitude, less freedom for those who demand freedom and MORE dumbed-down, ignorant, brainwashed lemmings to keep Constitution-hating, worthless, utopian career criminals in office.’

      • Karolyn

        That’s BS, sc. It’s just common sense that people should not be allowed to make money at the expense of others.

        • Lastmanstanding

          Still at Americorps?…or did you retire from the dole and get a job?

          • Flashy

            Lastmanstanding..

            OK, so you are batting the trifecta. You don’t know anything, you have no desire to know anything, and you’ve just proven the prior to character traits.

            You should change your nom de plume. To FirstCowardRunning … more fitting.

          • Joe H.

            Typical progish thinking flushy!!! You don’t have anything to back up your wild asertions and nothing intelligent to say so you make personal attacks!!! you’re getting REAL good at it flushy, but it is so boreing!!!

        • Vigilant

          Karolyn says, “That’s BS, sc. It’s just common sense that people should not be allowed to make money at the expense of others.”

          That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen come out of your mouth! What is Capitalism if it’s not people being “allowed to make money at the expense of others?”

          • Karolyn

            Vig – By “at the expense of others,” I mean off the misery and ill health of others.

          • Vigilant

            My apologies, Karolyn, I jumped the gun. You’re right.

            That’s not to say that I believe the jury’s in on pitfalls of hydrofracturing yet.

        • meteorlady

          So Karo – it’s OK though for other to make money at my expense? It’s OK for other to take the money that I make through education, hard work and enterprise when they contribute or produce nothing in return?

    • Doc Sarvis

      Actually, it is people who want to be able to drink their water without it harming them who have concerns about fracking.

      • Karolyn

        Not to mention the possibility of fracking causing earthquakes like in Ohio.

        • Flashy

          let’s see

          Earthquakes, water pollution, water aquifer destruction, cancer causing chemicals emissions, farmland destruction, community land use destruction, devastation of community economic base …

          Now why would the GOP want to gut First Amendment rights, stifle that news, and keep us unknowing ?

          • Dale on the left coast

            Flashy . . . absolutely NUTS!!! Fracking has been going on all over the world for 60 odd years . . . Gasland is done in true Michael Moore style . . . fiction pretinding to be science. Kind of like the Gorebull Warming thing that made Fat Al 100 Mil.
            Somebody needs to put the Enviro-Whacks back in the box.

          • Flashy

            Dale..have you seen the documentary?

            i haven’t. I came by my information by reading news articles, scientific articles, and other various sources. None of this is rocket science to find. Your problem is you don’t want to find information…you find it easier to be programmed.

          • eddie47d

            Sure fracking has been going on for many years but the damages done are also real. Name calling won’t get you no sympathy from me Dale. Environmentalists and reporters are important in keeping these companies in check for they aren’t always responsible. I like most Americans appreciate a warm house so I have no dislike for those who provide natural gas.I do have problems with oil and gas companies who abuse their status and don’t clean up after themselves.

          • vieteravet

            The things you named had been discounted by the feds (Obama’s boys).

        • meteorlady

          Earthquakes now? WOW – never had one of those here where I live and we are probably the largest area where fracking takes place. I did read about that and most scientists believe that it is not true.

    • Karolyn

      So it’s OK to create jobs for some while ruining others’ lives?

    • Flashy

      Army…tell you what. About a quarter kile away from your home, i’m going to break up the ground rock starta, pump stuff underground 9which i won’t tell you what it is), it may turn the water a little differetn color and tase…but don’t worry…whateveri’m putting into the ground is safe..but I won’t tell you what it is. And of course, the cracks i’ll create in the strata leak only one way…we have a process that defies natural laws y’see…

      Then I’ll take all my money made selling the gas etc to Californians and Texans.., and see ya later !

      Two things. Why don’t they tll anyone what they’re putting into the ground in fracking? Why can’t they adgere to local land use laws etc instead of asking for state and federal exemptions from local land use laws?

      Army..if these guys are enviro nutcases as ou calim, then there is nothing to hide is there? So why keep this hearing out of being reported?

      As for this article…i posted it yesterday. Was told i’m making it up because i didn’t post the news sources. betchya no one apologies or fesses up to being uninformed. Wanna take the bet?

      • Mac

        What a numbskull; “a process that defies natural laws” indeed. The frackers ARE using natural laws. Too bad you don’t understand the scientific articles you read.

        • Flashy

          Ahhhh…so the stress fractures releasing the gas only act one way eh? Let’s the gas out, and nothing seeps in? I see …

    • Flashy

      SC…i’m going to make stress cracks in the gorund right next to your water supply. Then i’m going to pump chemmies into the ground . I’m not going to tell you what chemmies. trust me though, they’re safe. And those stress cracks? Why…they only leak one way! i have a secret process that defies natural physics y’know.

      Then, after taking all the money made from selling the gas out of state, I’ll disappear.

      So…you gonna let me do this and wish me well?

      • meteorlady

        One small little thing here. Fracking is WELL BELOW the water table. So how does is seep up levels of ground. I always though water ran down. Another small point – why are water trucks running down here all the time collecting the fracking water and disposing of it in waster water disposal wells? We have been tested monthly for one year, they every six months for two years, nothing was found in any of our water, including the river they went under.

        • Dennis48e

          I live close to a fracking area. There has been a possible link to earthquakes in the disposal well area (and I emphasize POSSIBLE) but the water testing has shown absolutely NO contamination from the disposal wells.

    • http://priscillaking.blogspot.com Priscilla King

      We have similar concerns in Virginia, but there have to be solutions that don’t cause earthquakes.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Cause Earthquakes???? That is patently nutty . . . next you’ll be telling us that is causes continents to move . . . LOL

        • Flashy

          And you know this how Dale?

      • eddie47d

        Here we go again!! There was a direct link to that earthquake in Ohio and fracking in that region Dale. Number two as I have stated before there were 67 earthquakes in Oklahoma per year before 2009. In the last 3 years with the increase of fracking there are now 1,047 per year. Coincidence ,maybe not!

        • Joe H.

          eddie,
          I live in northeast Ohio where that quake, if you want to call it that, occurred. I have been watching the story locally since it happened and I have seen nothing that states a DIRECT link between frakking and that quake. Post up or shut up!

        • meteorlady

          Earthquakes are caused by shifting plates. Did it ever occur to you that the plates might be getting tighter like, you know, happens along the pacific coast? Why none in my area?

  • Maryland Freestater

    As an ex-filmmaker myself, and a resident of the DC-Baltimore metroplex, it’s been hard to film ANYTHING in DC without a permit for the last 2 decades. Long before 9/11 DC has been cracking down on ‘unlicensed’ film makers, which IS another infringement of civil rights. One literally has to use a small HD camcorder or a DSLR which shoots HD movies to acquire decent footage in DC.

    Second, despite the fact that Mr. Fox and his crew were well-behaved, he SHOULD’VE (if indeed he didn’t) applied to film these proceedings. If denied, he should’ve then used ‘button-cams’ or in the sleeve ‘lipstick’ cams. I agree, these types of hearings need to be documented – evil does not well stand the light of exposure (nor does it appreciate it).

    Even Michael Moore, as much as I despise him, has the right to produce films of controversial things: that he would aim his lens at the Obama Administration, transparency my a$$.

    • Joe H.

      Maryland,
      Yes, he has the right to film any kind of documentary he wishes, I agree. What he DOES NOT have is the right to misquote people as fact, report people out of context and outright LIE and say it is FACT in a documentary!! In “911″ he misquoted police and quoted dozens of people out of context and outright LIED and claimed it was Gospel!! He is an overstuffed biggot that has no buisiness being a documentary film maker!!

  • jay Lindberg

    I have no problem understanding why Pro Fracting Repuglicans don’t want their picture associated with fracting. Some Irate citizen might shoot at them. Politicians are a lot like lawyers. The only thing they understand more than money is a legitimate death threat.

    • Flashy

      Death threats? Where? by whom?

      You do realize that most of the terrorist attacks and crazed shootings the past 30 years have been by right wing extremists do you not?

      Death threats…jeesh … if it were that controversial, why is the process allowed without a full understanding of the process, chemicals used, and potential harm to people, the environment, the communities?

      • JayP

        Really? OK, name one, name just one person who was a right-wing exremist who is responsible for for a terrorist attack or a crazed shooting.

        • Flashy

          LOL … I will refer you to yesterday’s Liberty Digest where there was an article on the subject.

          The vast majority of domestic terrorist attacks and/or crazed shootings the past 30 years were right wing extremists.

          Think about it…you’re in a public meeting and someone you label as “liberal” starts raving about shooting you because they dispute your views, you laugh it off. Some right wing nutcase says the same thing, you start thinking about maybe packing iron to protect yourself.

          • http://priscillaking.blogspot.com Priscilla King

            Proving one of my favorite points. “Liberal” doesn’t actually mean “left-wing”; it means “characteristic of free people,” which implies generous, tolerant, not desperate enough to be hard to get along with. However, threats from left-wingers can be deadly serious. There was nothing liberal about the Soviet Union, Red China, or any of the countries they took over.

          • meteorlady

            Pricilla – characteristic of free people? Hmmm…. is that why my government forces me to give my hard earned money to others who don’t work and don’t want to work. Is that why I am a slave to the cities, counties, states and federal government? Free people? Is it honorable for others to expect me to support them when they had the same opportunities as I did? Is it even moral of these looters with their hands out to expect me to keep working to support them when they do not wish to take responsibility for their lives? Is it logical for me to work to support the many families who have more children than they can afford and expect me to keep them in food, clothing, housing, health care and all the other social programs that have put us into economic decay? Free? I’m a slave to the looter in our society and they count on the fact that I am a producer and will continue to produce. Their lie is that they have not done a single thing for the poor.

          • Dennis48e

            “The vast majority of domestic terrorist attacks and/or crazed shootings the past 30 years were right wing extremists.”

            Flushy I just re-read the article. Show me where it says what you claim.

        • RichE

          Eric Robert Rudolph (born September 19, 1966), also known as the Olympic Park Bomber, is a far-right militant responsible for a series of bombings across the southern United States between 1996 and 1998, which killed two people and injured at least 150 others in the name of an anti-abortion and anti-gay agenda. The Federal Bureau of Investigation considers him a terrorist.[1]

          • Flashy

            Link to Southern Preposterous Lie Center removed.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Flashy,

            I have purposely removed your link to the Southern Preposterous Lie Center. Links to that dishonest anti-American organization are not allowed here.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Joe H.

            Flushy,
            Takedown, breakdown, shakedown, YOU’RE BUSTED!!!!

      • Dale on the left coast

        Flash . . . really??
        Virtually all attacks in the last 50 years . . . moooslime terrorists, anarchists (certainly not right wing) like Bammy’s buddies Dorn and Ayers. Socialist anti-semite, like the shooter in NY museum a few years ago . . . and the nutty leftie drugie that shot the congresswoman in Tuscon. Can’t remember any right-wingers shooting anyone, unless you dopy lefties think moooslime terrorists are right-wing . . . lol

        • Flashy

          Argue with Mr. Liovingstone…it was a Liberty news item on this site yesterday.

          Jeesh.

  • Gayle Nasca

    Does anyone know the method that was previously used to extract natural gas? There weren’t problems ages ago with fire coming out of faucets and waterways being contaminated so why not utilize the older method of extracting?

    • Dale on the left coast

      Fire out of faucets . . . it is usually called fraud.
      Rarely are there incidents of Methane Gas in wells . . . methane is a product of DECAY . . . not related to Natural Gas exploration or Fracking which has been going on for 60 years.

      • eddie47d

        Let’s see you light a match to an open natural gas line and see if your face looks different.

  • Rennie

    Most of the problems I have heard about fracked wells come from too much pressure being released, why don’t they drill without fracking first? I support property rights and energy developement BUT we have existing proven areas that should be used, before establising new ones. I would embrace gas developemnt IF we were converting all our nuclear plants to natural gas however, the risk and pollution is far less. BUT a contaminated well and USGS verification of fracking causing localized earthquakes are issues that violates your neighbor’s property rights, regardless of the aesthetic/traffic issues which are normal NIMBY criteria. Ruin the groundwater (one of teh most precious commodities on earth) and the land is useless. Yes, some wells may already have methane or natural gas present, but they will not have the barium and radium fracking releases from the bedrock, but unless you can prove your wells didn’t have contamination BEFORE fracking begins within ten or twenty miles, the gas company lawyers will convince the courts they are not at fault. They claim they can seal their wells, but what about when the earthquakes (any pulverized and lubricated layer under pressure will move) start shaking those wells and everything else? This is stupid, we have plenty of hydropower going to waste because they claim the scale is “unpractical” (just look at what goes over any canal spillway wastegate), they want to force us into expensive nuclear when they know manmade global warming is a hoax, we have plenty of coal, yet they are closing coal plants down. Use the resources already developed, I saw Obama telling another unchallenged lie the otehr day about how little oil teh USA has, he obviously in legalese was excluding all teh reserves locked up by environmental regulations, which of course will not prevent russian or chinese firms from tapping just over the international boundary lines, and with horizontal drilling they could be drilling under our beaches as you are reading this. At the same time as we hear how badly they need this natural resource, the plans are to build pipelines (more taking of private land) so they can export it from the NYC area. Yeah they offered big money for leases to struggling landowners that thanks to a $10,000 minimum agricultural income requirement will now lose their ag exemption on property tax (I know of no farmer paying $10,000 to lease someone else’s pastures or croplands), but I’m willing to bet their property taxes will be increased enough to take away all that lease income. Even thriving farms are apt to see less annual profit than from the gas leases, and that could be the next “tweak” that they lose their ag exemptions too. And if the water goes bad, no dairy farm, no microbreweries, no yogurt or milks plants, everything is done. If fracking presents no threat, than why are the NYC and Syracuse reservoir watersheds offlimits, but not every other community’s water supply in NYS? Put an end to global warming crap, and Pickens, Buffet, Soros and others will just have to find some other scam to profit from, as they are playing boths sides in the fracking issue to their own benefit and everyone else’s loss.

  • Don

    I hate to see anyones rights imposed upon, but, this incident could have been staged by the Obama crowd, and i suspect that it has now opened a big can of worms. Oh well, it took some heat off Eric Holder.That’s what these people do, they see things are getting too hot for one event (gun walking), so they start something else.

    • Flashy

      Uh huh …so the GOP is now working with Obama to stage something like this?

      Do you guys stay awake at night thinking of new inventive ways to try and smear Obama?

      • s c

        f, your false W H god does a swell job of smearing himself daily. We reserve the right to remind ALL utopians that it takes more than a prostitute press to inform Americans.
        O is your god. You can have him. America’s whore media is also ‘yours.’ You know what you can do with your icons. Do you need to be told how far to jam them? Experience tells me that you do – daily.

  • http://personallibertydigest Gottaplenty

    Can’t you just imagine what a great country we would have if these Karolyn, Karen Flashy, Gayle,and all these othyer super intelegent libs was in charge of all these different things they try to convince you they know all about. Trying to stop any progress in any field is all they seem to follow up with.I would bet my wooden watch none of them has done one dam thing in their life toward the betterment of anything . They grab onto a buzzword and begin a mindless movement . What would happen to a country with this kind of boobs running it. Just wait till the next election and if the Dimmwitt gets reelected you will see just that type of intelegence running your life….

    • Flashy

      Seen those employment figures just released today have you?

      We hit the worst economic recession since the Depression, Obama saved it from going into a Drepression, and despite three years of constant harassment and opposition on every single program proposed…we’re coming along.

      Just think of how far we’d be if the GOP and the Right wing had even attempted to work together in compromise.

      best thing you could do gfor this Nation?

      Take a seat in the back and quit whining, let the Moderates and progressives get some work done to fix what y’all broke.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Flashy . . . real unemployment is DOUBLE DIGITS . . . some states as high as 25% . . . you live in a dream world . . . O’bammy is a friggin disaster . . . saved us from Depression . . . 48 million on food stamps . . . to them this is a depression. O’bammy has spent over 5 TRILLION DOLLARS in just over 3 years . . . gone 1000 days without a Federal Budget . . . this is insane and unsustainable . . . welcome to the united states of Greece!!!

      • Wil

        Flash,do they teach that doublespeak in schools now or is it a liberal continuing education class?Face it,America has somehow avoided bankruptcy and a depression despite Obama’s best attempts to bring it about.The Republicans have brought up numerous good ideas,that would have helped,unfortunately they were stalled at the desks of the obstructionists Harry Reid and Nanct Pelosi.And how are we “coming along” when every executive decision and illegal appoitment by your puppet-in-chief is shutting down more jobs?

      • Firefly

        You won’t be singing his praises when you see how high the price of food is when all the insane waste of TRILLIONS results in the inevitable inflation that it must. Some of the very rich have already moved their moeny and themselves out of the country before it all hits the fan. We are on the verge of WWIII and we really can’t afford it anymore. Johnson tried the guns and butter routine and it didn’t work but his war on poverty has never ended BUT IT WILL before this decade is out and maybe sooner. Actual unemployment may be well over 20% and the real debt is that every taxpayer owes over 1.2 MILLION dollars – and impossible situation that not even the Republicans can now prevent. I only hope they can slow it down a bit. Someone has said it is better for our nation to sink like the Costa Corcordia than like the Titanic. Small business are drowning in government regulations and fiat money. I hope we can make it another five years but I have my sincere doubts.

    • Karolyn

      I will say it again. Would you have loss of life and health over creating jobs?

      • Wil

        Karolyn,where has it been shown,beyond a reasonable doubt,that there has actually been any loss of lives or health due to fracking?I do believe that many of us would put jobs ahead of unsubstantiated conjecture.

        • Karolyn

          I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying that if you were the one found to have “barium, arsenic, and VOCs (volatile organic chemicals) in Carl’s blood. Strontium, uranium and radium were found in their water. They’ve been told to expect to get leukemia within two years.”

          http://shaleshockmedia.org/2012/01/28/carl-stiles-fractivist-rest-in-peace/

          Anybody can find a myriad of cases, most of which are kept under the rug and receive little to no publicity because: Guess who calls the shots? BIG MONEY!

    • Wil

      Ever seen the movie Idiocracy?

  • http://personallibertydigest Gottaplenty

    When did all this frakking hype become popular?I had a freind back in the 1960s that was a frakking specialist. We never had the EPA into every ones lunch bucket at that time but it was growing. We never heard of any damage to anyone from frakking . Only in the last few years the progressives seem to get a following of dupes that think if they can get enough attention they might get famous. Basicly just pure B.S. Have any of that group ever worked in that field? very doubtful, even worked.

    • Karolyn

      We didn’t have the internet in the 60s, so people knew very little of what was going on, really.

    • eddie47d

      They weren’t using the same chemicals or drilling as deep back then either. Fewer water supplies were effected.

      • Dennis48e

        Deeper drilling puts it further from the water supplies not closer.

  • LOLLOLLOL

    Hey Flashy & Karolyn…the “chemicals” they are pumping into the ground that you are so concerned with are called S.A.N.D. It is a substance commonly found on the ground. You may have seen a similar substance in places like oh say…the beach. The difference between this S.A.N.D. and the substance you see in your kids S.A.N.D. box is that they call it, oddly enough, “Frack S.A.N.D.”. It comes in various types..20/40, 30/50, 40/70 etc and is purchased all over the country and shipped all over the country. So until I I hear about S.A.N.D. boxes exploding around the country and people being poisoned at the beach I will not be wasting too much time worrying about the S.A.N.D. that is being blown hundreds and even thousands of feet into the ground to hold plates apart to let gas escape so we can bottle it and use it for energy. The oil industry uses it too…no need to worry, it won’t poison the other S.A.N.D. on the mainland or the bottom of the ocean. The only other chemical involved is made up of 99% water…and is also blown thousands of feet below the earths crust…you twits most likely drink out of the toilet so you don’t need to be concerned about things that far underground.

    • NymRod

      You know full well there’s more to it than just sand.

      • Flashy

        if it’s just sand and water, wonder why the companies refuse to disclose the chemicals? It’s far more than sand and water…

        • Joe H.

          flushy,
          you say they refuse to release the chemical lists? I just typed Chemicals used in Frakking? into my search engine and found a long list.
          www,earthworksaction.org/issues/detail/hydrolic…-cached

    • Karolyn

      I expect you believe everything the oil and gas companies tell us. You probably also believe there’s nothing wrong with GMOs and Big Pharma is on our side.

      • Mac

        Karolyn, You must also believe in “chemtrails” – airplanes flying over the country at high altitude, spraying “chemicals” that just MUST be poisoning us all. You conspiracy theorists are all just NUTS!

        • Karolyn

          No, I don’t believe that one or HAARP. However, I do not believe that Big Pharma or Big Corp. has our best interests at heart. and I certainly believe that what the American people know about a grea many things is just the tip of an iceberg. All that matters to the Big Guns is $$$$$$$$$. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if you believe that all the medications pushed on us are good for us.

  • LOLLOLLOL

    Yes…water

  • LOLLOLLOL

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!! THOSE EVIL CAPITALISTS THAT ARE TRYING TO HELP CREATE ENERGY AND JOBS AND STOP FUNDING TERRORISTS ARE POISONING OUR SAND AND WATER WITH……………….SAND AND WATER? Click below…pay particular attention to the “HIGHLIGHTS” box on the right side of the screen.

    http://energytomorrow.org/energy/hydraulic-fracturing?gclid=CIqXn–ngq4CFY2b7Qod6WBM7A#/type/all

    • Flashy

      Nice piece of advertisement. Says nothing…

      • Dale on the left coast

        Flashy . . . after watching the mickey moore movie did you check you local banks for guns?
        Gassland should be called Neverland . . . its mostly Made Up Nonsense!!

        • Flashy

          Quite honestly, I have never viewed a movie by Michael Moore nor this Gasland movie. I tend to research my own and come to educated informed decisions and opinions. i don’t need folks to tell me what to think.

          I did, however, see the documentary “Superman”, and “Supersize That”. Followed up and discovered both were factually correct.

          That’s one of the main differecnes between Progressives and Moderates versus the Right..we don’t need people to tell/program us how or what to think.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            That is really funny because that is exactly what you have been doing by your posts. Our way of thinking is wrong but yours is right and we better listen to you otherwise you will make us.

          • Mac

            Flashy, how can I believe anything you say if you can’t get the names right for the movies you HAVE seen? There have been a number of “Superman” movies, none of which are related to the documentary “Waiting for Superman” which must be the movie you are referring to. But the description of that movie seems to be about the idiocy of counting on winning a lottery- much like waiting for the government to come to your rescue instead of actually working. There is no movie by the name of “Supersize That” either. You must mean “Supersize ME” – a documentary about overeating, which has nothing to do with fracking.

          • Karolyn

            I believe “Waiting for Superman” is about the education system and is a very good movie.

  • Texas Bluebonnet

    Eddie says the environmentalists and reporters are keeping the public informed about the drilling companies who are ruining the water and causing earthquakes. Where are those same reporters who should be “vetting” Obama, Eric Holder, and all of their thugs and Czars? Our Constitution is being shredded by this Administration and the main-stream media are looking the other way–or are actively supporting all these communists in our midst.

  • Thinking About

    The vetting process is over on Obama and Holder. Voters made the selection on Obama and Holder had his hearings. Where was the reporters or more important where was the investigation into a no bid contract Halliburton had in Iraq, etc. Where was the investigations into the outing of a CIA employee whose husband did not give the report wanted by the White House. Where is the investigation into reports of WMD’s in Iraq which never was found but the reason the USA invaded Iraq. Don’t come up with Congress was the reason Bush went into Iraq, the final decision came from Bush.

  • roadkill

    As far as Nadler’s statement that the dems are for the people, what a fantastic lie !! The Gasland man did create a quite controversial film; it spread like wildfire here in Pa igniting the the treehuggers & like liberals who want us dependent on the freakin Islamists. Wiithin the last 8 months, Anadarko drilled 3 gas wells 465′ from my water well. Yes, I was concerned over well ruination; so far , nothing has happened. Penn State has tested my water 3 times and they are doing a 4th one soon. I tested daily for total dissolved solids in the water, but nothing showed up. Our area is penetrated by many dozens of wells. A well fire occurs occasionally, but is not an every day occurence. Yes, many of the drillers are being fined for problems they create. These 3 wells took approximately 30 million gallons of fresh water. My feeling is that the Republicans wanted him ousted because he misconstrues the reality of things. House dems want the worst to come out plus as many lies as can be made up. One must remember that democrats are now above the law; it means nothing to them to be illegal. Nadler hollers about the First Amendment violation when it is he and his lame brain leftist idiots who are trying to stifle all truth by any means possible, Fairness Doctrine, internet takeover, media bias, etc.

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