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Report: Healthcare Reform Will Increase Spending, Not Lower It

April 27, 2010 by  

Report: Healthcare reform will increase spending, not lower itThe Obama administration’s newly passed healthcare reform bill received more bad publicity last week, as officials with the nonpartisan Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) released an assessment indicating that the legislation will actually increase spending over the next decade.

In the report, Rick Foster, CMS’ chief actuary, estimated that projected healthcare spending would increase by 1 percent over the next 10 years to $311 billion. Last month, the Congressional Budget Office reported that the new law would decrease spending to an estimated $222 billion, Fox News reports.

The report also indicated that by delaying the implementation of most of the spending provisions until 2014, the administration is hiding the true cost of the legislation, according to The Hill.

"Because of these transition effects and the fact that most of the coverage provisions would be in effect for only six of the 10 years of the budget period, the cost estimates shown in this memorandum do not represent a full 10-year cost for the new legislation," wrote Foster in the 38-page report.

He concluded that the proposed Medicare cuts may be "unrealistic," as they could force about 15 percent of healthcare providers into the red, "possibly jeopardizing access" to medical care for senior citizens.
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  • s c

    This will be another topic that will be debated time and time again. Most people will readily admit that while politicians share many common traits, one thing particular is true when it comes to new-and-improved government programs. The federal government has a consistently bad habit of underestimating budgets. It uses whatever accounting tricks are available. Politicians will use a new program the same way a pimp uses a prostitute [food stamp fraud, social security, war on poverty, new deals, bubbles created by elected criminals].
    In this instance, no matter what the boys in the White House say, the only way to make this garbage work is to alienate their backers and find ways to be fiscally responsible (good luck). Obummer is hosed if he does, and hosed if he doesn’t. Enter another weasel trying to squirm out of a problem he was ready to “solve” when he ‘hit the ground running.’
    Boring. Predictable. More sludge atop the septic tank.

    • Jana

      sc,
      We all knew this was going to happen. At least those of us with any common sense and can add.

      • TIME

        Jana,
        Ditto that.

        I have spoken over the last year with a lot of people who own small business that employ common American people.
        Folks who make from $35K to $200K per year they will be having to let go of as much as 40% of their work force if not more.
        Thus the real true cost of the HCR is not even on the books yet.

        The HRC that has been passed by hook and by Crook – let alone the Climate Control bill that’s in the Senate now, that was passed by congress; are clearly meant to destroy the Middle Class business owners of America.
        You know the ones that are not in the Super Wealthy Progressive Democrat gang – or that 2% we keep hearing about by why of harping by the ignorant persons here.

        So in a twisted way even as gullible as these nut jobs are – they do have the idea, just the wrong players. Strange how that works.

  • Chaos Factor

    Leave it to Fox news to twist the story

    • Warrior

      Chaos,

      You should watch Glenn Beck, he rocks!

    • http://naver samurai

      Chaos Factor, this is my first time writing you so listen up! This health care plan will not just raise federal spending, but it is unconstitutional. If you read the 10th Amendment, the Federalist Papers, and about our founding fathers, you’ll see that they believed in limited government and not the way “Osama” is going these days.

  • Chaos Factor

    Washington post… The healthcare will cut the deficit by 1.2 trillion over the next decade..

    • TIME

      CF,
      Sure it will – and the Social Security is not really broke!

      Strange how the Wall Street J states that the HRC bill is a Super sucking sound comming out of the Tax Payers pockets that will cost up to 70% PLUS or MORE, and some figure it will be double to what was stated. Even the media is now starting to wake up some, when it hits their pockets they will really wake up.

      But with fine minds like yours adding 2+2 to equal 1 – perhaps you should take some math class’s when you come out hiding in your Mommies basement.

      Or perhap just look at how many business are closing daily right now.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Time,
        CF also believes in Santa Clause and the easter bgunny!!! Like Lionus
        In the peanuts cartoon he believes in the Great Pumpkin!!!

        • TIME

          Joe,

          Yea, I see it all now waiting under the Great Plumpkin for the goodie bag to open and drop a special penny in his pocket.

          What a bloody womb bat the fruit cake is.

    • George E

      Chaos,

      The Congressional Budget Office gave their estimate of savings ($1.2B over 10 years) under a set of unrealistic and unreasonable assumptions provided by the Congressional Democratic leadership. In other words, the books were cooked to get a favorable answer from the CBO. This was a political move to fool partisan supporters as well as uninformed and wishful citizens into supporting the bill for passage. Unfortunately, it worked, but we’ll all pay the price of this awful law, not just those who supported it.

    • Ricketts

      The fact that the FEDERAL deficit may be reduced by 1.2 trillion over the next decade does not mean the costs of healthcare will go down, just that the government will pay less, reports say up to 32 million more will be FORCED to pay for healthcare whetether they want or need it, many more will be added to the Medicare/Medicaid roles while more hospitals and providers get less money for all they do, forcing them to close or stop accepting government healthcare plans. Why people do not see that all our costs are going higher as the government destroys another great part of our capitalist country, Healthcare, with this ill-concieved, blame insurance co and providers, “reform!”

    • http://naver samurai

      Time to put your money where your mouth is, fool! Tell us the “FACTUAL” sources you are using so I can look these things up myself. OOPS! I forgot! Libs don’t use facts and just make things up as they go!

  • Raggs

    The health of people is the last thing on the minds of the “elite” in the house… This was always about a government program..

  • Chaos Factor

    Ford motor company posted A 1.2 billion dollar profit last qtr….the economys
    is picking and of course that will anger you rightys…. But you’re angry about everything anyway……… Good Job president Obama…..never before has a president had more problems to deal with( left by republicans) and he’s doing a great job…so , you rightys are happy that the economys improving ?..

    • http://?? Joe H.

      CF,
      Obummer had NOTHING to do with Ford Motor Company’s success in the last year. Thyey did it all on their own. Yet the company he did help had tpo lie about paying back their loan by using money from another loan, both government money! That’s Obummers type of help!!!

      • American Liberal

        Joe… Wrong… The point being , more Americans are now able to buy cars from Ford…. President Obama just gave more than 95% a tax cut…so we should thank him…I assume you don’t make 250,000 dollars a year… I don’t.. So I got a tax cut…however painful it is for you Joe, you can’t deny the economy is much better off now than the day Bush left office… Right?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          amalib’
          yeah that 300.00 cut sure enabled them to buy more cars yesiree!! you betcha!!!

        • George E

          Liberal,

          The economy does appear to be improving, however, that’s usually what happens after a recession. Most recessions don’t last more than 2 years according to the data I’ve seen. This one has been about as bad and long as any since the 1930′s.

          History tells me that our government generally does things that make these recessions worse than they might otherwise be by pandering to populist opinions at the time, like forcing companies to pay for more worker benefits or pay union wages, taxing imported goods, creating government jobs, and the like. Actions like this government has taken, and continues to take will likely put a drag on the economy and could throw it into a second, and possibly deeper recession, much like the well-intentioned (I assume) actions taken by FDR in the 1930′s did at that time.

          I’d be slow to give this government, or any government credit for improving the economy, unless they reduce spending, debt, and taxes (keeping them aligned with spending so the debt doesn’t go up), and unleash the American worker to create and be productive in building and sustaining businesses in a free market economy.

          Also, all this talk about “fairness,” meaning same results rather than equal opportunities, will do nothing but drag down our economy and culture.

        • Childoffreedom

          Most “tax cuts” are lies. There was no tax cut by the Kennedy Administration. They imposed a 15% “interest equalization tax” which more than wiped out any new “credits”. They inflated taxpayers into higher tax brackets. Yet the mainstsream media continue the lie and love to talk about the “Kennedy tax cut”.

          New credits that only some taxpayers can take advantage of are not tax cuts. Tax cuts are when the rates are cut and there is no bracket creep, so that all taxpayers can pay less.

          The Juan Peron Obama Administration is lying again. In 2009 I had less income than in 2008, but paid more taxes.

          Impeach the scumbag.

        • http://naver samurai

          Hey, the issue isn’t a failed economy, the economy will rebound, but the real question is how much more dependent on the government to meet our every need will we be when it returns? I can guarantee you that next year when Bush’s first tax cut comes up for a vote, “Osama” will let it expire. If that happens, whatever gains the economy would make to that time will vanish right before our eyes. Leave it to the Loony Libs to mess things up so bad that it takes a total change of personnel in Washington to even begin cleaning it up.

        • Another Vet

          OK Son, Obummer gave no tax relief, as a matter of fact Obummer, Pelosi and Reid were cooing about “rolling back ALL the Bush tax cuts” since the Dems took control of Congress 6 tears ago(ahemm…I mean years ago). This would have, until the mid-term relief of Congress, returned our tax rates(EVERYONE’S TAX RATES) to Clinton era levels – a level only surpassed during WWII – which noone seems to remember! My poor retired parents were paying 85% of their Social Security in TAXES! You had better remove your head from that dark region where the sun never shines and THANK THE REPUB’S for saving the middle class from “THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICA’S HISTORY”(as reported by EVERYONE, not just repub’s) from taking place and destroying growth incentives for business owners. I’m sure you think that all business owners are “rich” but statistics confirm that over 80% of ALL businesses belong to SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. Join in the Obummer CLASS WARFARE lie and you will receive what you have sown!

    • Warrior

      How dare those greedy capitalists!

    • http://naver samurai

      Dude, do you ever use facts for your rebuttles? Bush took over trying to clean up Clinton’s mess. Bush took over for an administration that could have taken out Bin Laden, was very morally and ethically inept, had women running to and from the White House for the presidents recreation, etc. Bush gave us tax cuts for all Americans, stimulous spending checks of $600 twice, and more protection than this fool has ever, or will ever, do. Don’t forget, next year the first of Bush’s tax cuts expires. What do you think “Osama” will do?

  • Dr. Jack Kevorkian*

    * Attention*…I will be setting up appointments ( manditory) for end of Life dates as is required of All republican, conservative and Tea party members… Please Contact your local disposal office..failing to do so could be punishable by fine and prison …don’t forget to fillout your census report..

    • Raggs

      Pathetic!!!

    • Warrior

      That’s funny Jack – Let’s check back on this thought in 2020.

  • Chaos factor

    Associated press… Gm reported they paid back the goverment loan with stocks due to increased sales and Gm spokesman say the company expects to post a profit next qtr…..

    • Raggs

      Thats a good thing, but I have wondered how many government hands will remain in the industry?

      • Chaos factor

        Warrior… I’ve watched plenty of Glenn Beck… Listened to Rush… Almost every day…my opinion is Both are racist Anti American and are just dedicated to riling people up anyway they can….Glenn Beck said: I couldn’t give a Rats behind about the political process, this is an entertainment company” unquote…… To me that says he’s a fake and just cares about the 32 million dollars he made last year…and Rush?.. He’s just evil..with a big mouth and bigger belly..

        • Warrior

          I have yet to see anyone dispute the facts that Beck presents. Everyone just demonizes him as a right wing radical.

    • Warrior

      Mr. Gullible? How much was GM given? $50+ Billion. Now, see if you can determine how much was paid back. Also, did the gov sell our stock in government motors yet?

      • Chaos factor

        Warrior…it’s a fair question..google the story… Personally… I don’t care how or with what it was paid back…. I’m just happy it was paid back…shouldn’t we all be ?

        • TIME

          CF,
          So if you have ten dollars in your back pocket that you got from a friend as a loan – then move it to your front pocket, that means what?

          A) That you can move your pockets around?

          B) That you can move money around?

          C) That its not your money to move around anyway?

          D) That its fun to try and fool simple minded people?

          If you went for a or b your wrong, if you picked C
          that would be correct.
          If you picked D then you are the problem.

          But who cares who pays it back right?

    • Another Vet

      And so Gov. Motors goes on by DEPENDING ON TAXPAYER MONEY – and YOU think that’s OK? “It is no coincidence that our present troubles parallel and are proportionate to the intervention and intrusion in our lives that result from unnecessary and excessive growth of government…”! I’ll bet YOU have no idea who said this and when! I lived thru the same garbage when Carter was in office and this is just a magnified version. Look at the disaster he left us – and we are STILL trying to cope with! Libs just keep pushing the same agenda and incur the same results. Government is too big, too powerful and too expensive. Noone can be blind enough or stupid enough to recognize this – unless you are a SOCIALIST… AND can’t read ANY HISTORY book to realize how bad and dangerous socialism is. Try this one – “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy, it’s inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” I’ll help you out, Winston Churchill – he was another of those conservative HERO’S from WWII! He also said “A man who is not a liberal by the time he is 20 has no heart. A man that is not a conservative by the time he is 40 has no brain.”

  • Chaos factor

    You rightys want the economy to fail…to bad for you…

    • George E

      I don’t know anyone who wants the American economy to fail, other than possibly George Soros who knows how to make a fortune by shorting the economy, or otherwise politically depraved person…..

    • http://?? Joe H.

      CF,
      yeah, that’s the way to go if you can’t dispute what he answers then accuse, accuse, accuse!!!!! Alinsky primer!!!

  • JPW-

    The HCB is a good plan but would have been much better for America with the public option that the republicans had taken out.Now they won’t even debate the Wall street reform bill on the senate floor but are willing to behind closed doors.Did you ever wonder what they don’t want you to hear.Now if that does’nt convince you who is on Wall streets side thereis no hope for you.

    • Chaos factor

      Jpw.. Good point … I think their might be plenty the republicans don’t want us to hear..I’d sure like to know a few things… But because of Deregulation we may not learn a lot..

      • http://?? Joe H.

        CF,
        A good post? why? Is it because you don’t want to work and thereby earn your own coverage so you want US to pay for it???

    • Warrior

      Did you see ALL those Goldman Sachs people now in the administration?

      • TIME

        Aarrior,
        Yes – but is it not rather strange that Goldman is a large player in the Climate controll bill that the senate has now?

        Oddly also that BarryO is the one who set that stage for the next act how many years ago?
        Also that Al Gore is in it up to his ears, also that George Sorass is in there and the special Joyce 501 C 3 for investments and oddly it was BarryO that as I said set the stage for this special play.

        So the boatload of crap going on today in DC where the big special senate is going to spank Goldman, yet its just one more act in the play to fool the stupids.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      JPW-,
      It’s not that they don’t want reform and you know it!! It’s just that they want to make sure that fannie and freddie have tighter controls so we don’t have another fiasco like we already did!!! Remember? Housing melt down, sound familiar now? you know, what started this crappy economy?

    • http://naver samurai

      I suggest that you remember what this healthcare fiasco is violating. The 10the Amendment to the Constitution, our founding principles of self reliance and personal responsibility, and our founding fathers beliefs in limited government. You should also try to read the Federalist Papers, Constitution, and many other things before you come back onto ant site like this. Let’s get back to the ways of our founding fathers and not the whims of these spineless traitors and cowardly libs in office. The Second American Revolution has begun!

  • Chaos factor

    Raggs… I don’t think the government really wants to be involved in car sales… This administrations has it’s hands full already… Were all sick of bailouts..

    • Warrior

      Can you say “Electric Cars”?

  • Chaos factor

    If we don’t start regulating Banks and Wallstreet you can ” Bank ” on it that were gonna be here again in the next decade with the same problem… Unregulated greed…if you put a fox in the chicken coop he’s gonna steal some chickens sooner or later…. Just the way it is…

    • Another Vet

      Wow Chaos, you are a piece of work… It was the Feds that created this atmosphere of greed thanks to Barney Frank and the libs wanting to “create affordable housing” by loosening the fed guidelines on Freddy and Fannie loans! More than 16 times this was brought to the house floor and squashed by the libtards. Barney said “this is a shell-game being played by the Republicans…” and there was no fiscal problem with these programs. Noone with two brain cells to rub together can possibly believe that gov. can fix our problems thru legislation. They need to keep their hands out of business and promote personal accountability.

  • American Liberal

    Chaos.. Rush is a windbag…period

    • Warrior

      Don’t listen to Rush. You should listen to Beck – He Rocks!!

  • Chaos Factor

    Raggs: quote: Thats a good thing: unquote… Wow, Raggs… You actually said something positive… Good for you… Progress….. It is a good thing…don’t we all want this bailout nightmare to end?… I’m sick to death of bailingout wallstreet and I’m sock of Wallstreet collecting bonuses after we had to bail them out at our expense…we just found some common ground..

  • American Liberal

    Chaos:.. Don’t you remember the fuss the republicans put up when President Obama tried to put a cap on Wallstreet bonuses ?… The republicans would sell their souls to protect Wallstreet..

    • George E

      Liberal,

      I believe a more accurate interpretation is that Republicans understand that in a free market economy, the government has no business dictating to private sector companies how to run their businesses. Of course, if the government doesn’t follow free market principles, then anything goes. One has to doubt this government’s commitment to free market principles given their willingness to run shod over companies and investors.

    • Warrior

      Hey Lib – check out the Joyce Foundation and the Chicago Energy Exchange. Goldman Sachs? No they couldn’t be a part of this could they?

    • http://naver samurai

      Lib, what about the heart and sould of our economy, small businesses. Overburdened by overregulation over every aspect of their lives? “Osama” wishes to increase this burden and others on we the neglected people of America. Our founding fathers believed in limited government and not the controlling of businesses. Get things right before you waste our time with these liberal lies!

  • George E

    Is anyone really surprised that this law is going to cost a fortune and probably put our government into default unless they drastically cut back on other entitlements? I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s a financial “freight train” coming at us……

  • American Mom

    I do not understand how a bill missing the Doc. fix information numbers and several other key important data numbers can be so hard for anyone to understand that if your missing data in the equation when you add the data in it will change the end result! The reality is the CBO can only give answers based on the data it is provided. If you fail to give it all the data it can not make a true clear estimate. This is what happened, the writers of the legislation even admitted to leaving several factors out! When the data from medicaid and medicare released to show there will be large increases in cost it is not a surprise. Everyone who watched the funny math criminals of Bernie M. or of fat cat wall street schemers knew that if our elite elected were held to the same standards they would GO TO JAIL. The sad part is so many kool-aid drinking progressive left wingers brains have been unable to understand if you put all the card on the table, increase the number of people covered and benefits there is absolutely no possible way it would not cost more, THAT IS WHY THEY HID DATA OR LEFT OUT INFORMATION when they submitted to the CBO. If a lying progressive is selling you snake oil and saying it will be the miracle cure understand they do care about the reaction the snake oil will give you but the dollar they make. Politics is the same the evil, vile, violent, thug Progressive Pres. Obama and his fellow “travellers” are out to destroy and “fundamentally change” our nation and they are destroying it piece by piece till they collapse it and take over with complete government control. It is up to each American citizen to PEACEFULLY STAND UP, USE YOUR VOICE, YOUR PEACEFUL ACTIONS and fight against tyranny and oppression and on the side of freedom and liberty. If you do nothing, they will destroy America, the choice is in your hands, they have shown you they will lie, cheat, and go to any level to destroy our economy and our freedoms, PEACEFULLY STAND UP AND USE YOUR VOICE TO LET THEM KNOW that you will not allow the progressive left to destroy our nation. Watch Fox business and understand the dollar is in crisis and we are but a breath away from economic collapse with the large debt and interest payments we can not sub stain, when the dollar collapses it will be the crisis they are preparing for now. That is why on page 1311-1314 a private funded army was put in the health care bill. LOOK IT UP! TEACH YOURSELF, JOIN A CHURCH, A TEAPARTY, BUT UNDERSTAND WE ARE IN CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER! peacefully stand up.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      What you are asking us to do was already done and made no difference. What do you think the Tea Parties were started for and spoke up against? Made no difference! what do you think all the polls showed when Americans spoke out against this? Made no difference! How many good Christian men and women spent hours of prayer in all the churches asking for this to be stopped? Made no difference! Sorry, that change that Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of the Democrats promised us is on the way. Prepare!!!
      But keep praying, for only divine intervention can save us now, even to late for the November elections to make a difference, we’ve gone to far. We’re now in GOD’s hands only, may he be merciful to us, don’t give us what we deserve, and take this country back from allah and his cohorts.

    • GregS

      It’s been said before, but it needs to be repeated like a mantra for the next six months:

      The ONE thing that we can ALL do is to REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER! The Healthcare Bill should be the ONLY defining issue. EVERY congressman or senator who voted FOR it should be voted OUT of office. NO exceptions!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

    So whats new? The three states that have similar health care laws have already stated that the costs have run two to four times the estimated cost, except for the state that talked the federal government into providing a huge amount of the funds for those costs, Massachusetts. The Democrats ignored these warnings and not a single Representative or Senator even had the courtesy to read the bill before they voted on it, the ones who voted against it claimed the ones in charge of both houses, the Democrats, never gave them the time to read it before requiring a vote. So tell me why I should be surprised about what you are telling us now? Sorry to have to tell you this, but you’ve just hit on the tip of this huge ice-berg. And has anyone thought about how big a deficit the rest of the world is going to accept from us until they stop accepting our currency and therby causing the collapse of our dollar and destoing our economy and society as we now know it. A hugh change is coming and you better be prepared for it or you just won’t survive. When it comes, please don’t forget to thank Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of the Democratic Party for passing this white elephant before even the public had a chance to read it and see what they were forcing on us. To late now, what will be will be, better hunker down, that change is-a-coming.

  • Charlie

    WW II Battleship sailor tells Obama to shape up or ship out !

    This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii
    for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.

    Dear President Obama,

    My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don’t believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.
    I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos’n Mate. Now I live in a “rest home” located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.
    One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man. So here goes.

    I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.
    I can’t figure out what country you are the president of.
    You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:
    ” We’re no longer a Christian nation ” America is arrogant” – (Your wife even
    announced to the world,” America is mean-spirited. ” Please tell her to try
    preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the
    globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from
    tyranny and hopelessness.)
    I’d say shame on the both of you, but I don’t think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

    After 9/11 you said,” America hasn’t lived up to her ideals.”
    Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn’t mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

    I don’t think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

    Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

    Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don’t, I’ll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue . You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

    And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don’t want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts , who was putting up a fight? You don’t mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don’t want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

    One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you’re the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you’re not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you’re thinking of.

    You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.
    You’re not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That’s not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.
    And I sure as hell don’t want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle…

    Sincerely,
    Harold B. Estes

    Respect our seniors He said it all!

    • Dorothy

      Thank you Harold Estes for serving in our great country and helping to
      keep us free and strong. The current person inthe white house is not
      FOR America at all. When someone gets the nerve to take a pot shot at
      the so called leader, I hope his wife is standing in front of him, and
      takes the first bullet! They both hate America and she has even said
      those very words on TV. The way some of these contributors to this
      site give me the heebee jeebees, the way they think! We are in a lot
      of danger of losing America, the land of the free and the home of the
      brave. Again, thank you Harold for serving our country!!! The rest
      of you can go to hell!!

  • JeffH

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    liberals like to show their hate
    in support of the promise to fill their plate
    nothing in the world could ever be free
    not even health care for you or me

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    Obama has studied Alinsky and Ayers
    rules for radicals and muslim prayers
    the words from his mouth ring truth no more
    he’s a Marxist believer deep in his core

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    government growth and government control
    these websites are filled with his government trolls
    if we lose in November we’re pretty well done
    hang on to your money and cling to your guns

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    pride in America is what we say
    we want a free market not government pay
    so praise ole glory and the red white and blue
    lets show our pride, take back America too

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people
    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    Glory glory hallelujah the truth keeps marching on

    • http://naver samurai

      That’s very funny and keep them coming! Let’s keep fighting against the left. We don’t want any change except to get our country back to the ways we were founded. These ways and beliefs encouraged people to come to this country from all over the world. Now, “Osama” just wants the only people to come here to be illegals from south of our boarder.
      Libs might as well give up. I’d rather die trying to save this country than let it be destroyed by these fool libs.

  • http://www.cheflloyd.com/ Rob

    What you are asking us to do was already done and made no difference. What do you think the Tea Parties were started for and spoke up against? Made no difference! what do you think all the polls showed when Americans spoke out against this? Made no difference! How many good Christian men and women spent hours of prayer in all the churches asking for this to be stopped? Made no difference! Sorry, that change that Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of the Democrats promised us is on the way. Prepare!!!
    But keep praying, for only divine intervention can save us now, even to late for the November elections to make a difference, we’ve gone to far. We’re now in GOD’s hands only, may he be merciful to us, don’t give us what we deserve, and take this country back from allah and his cohorts.

  • http://www.adorableaccess.com/ Sarah

    JPW-,
    It’s not that they don’t want reform and you know it!! It’s just that they want to make sure that fannie and freddie have tighter controls so we don’t have another fiasco like we already did!!! Remember? Housing melt down, sound familiar now? you know, what started this crappy economy?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Hey Sarah,
      Polly want a cracker?? BAAAARRRRAAACCCCKKKK!!!! too bad you haven’t got a brain in that big head of yours!!!

      • JeffH

        Joe H., you’re a good guy. Do’t let anybody tell you any differant.

  • http://gmail i41

    What do you expect with a muslim marxist, socialist communist, fake president. He is loved and held in high estemn, by all socialist liberal democrats, because they have never seen a government program, paid by taxpayers, they never liked. The socialist simpleton pinheads on the site don’t have any facts, or understand history, and want to give rights to non citizens and terrorists, or will hold socialist communist democrats accountable for designing social programs and ruining our economy, with keeping fanny and freddie programs going, instead of disbanding them. Slobbering Barney and Chris the Crook, or Rangle the tax Dodger, they all follow the democrat mantra,”don’t pay your required taxes, cut special deals, and run a male positution ring out of your basement”, any suprises yet?

  • Stephen Russell

    HC spending will triple since it has NO competition & offering these cures/therapies etc:
    Spa Visits for Health issues
    Massage for Health
    Sex for Health?
    Herbal RX
    Chinese medicines.
    Organic diets.
    Whole grain diets.
    Spicy food diets.
    workouts
    Smoothies in diet.
    Au Natural Living outdoors at lakes, rivers, oceans.
    Natural Vit D.
    Bionics.
    Implants for Health.
    Telemedicine for tracking care over long distance & more

    Win Win for ALL

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Bob Livingston,
    would you please have them check and see if there are posts being copied or if there is a glich in the system?? thanks in advance!!

    • JeffH

      It’s one of the libs playin games…notice they’re steppin up the game and putting more hacks on this site. All in the interest of disruption.

  • http://naver samurai

    Bob Livingston,

    Thank you for this post! Keep them coming and don’t be dismayed by the futile attacks from the libs on this site. Just remember the mission and everything will come out fine.

  • http://www.indexaudio.com/ Simon

    I suggest that you remember what this healthcare fiasco is violating. The 10the Amendment to the Constitution, our founding principles of self reliance and personal responsibility, and our founding fathers beliefs in limited government. You should also try to read the Federalist Papers, Constitution, and many other things before you come back onto ant site like this. Let’s get back to the ways of our founding fathers and not the whims of these spineless traitors and cowardly libs in office. The Second American Revolution has begun!

    • James

      Simon, Well said! Congress has been operating outside of its constitutional powers for decades, but most Americans don’t know that. They think we are a democracy where Congress has power to do whatever the most people want. The powers enumerated in Article I, Section 8, do not include healthcare, and the Bill of Rights says Congress has no power over the rights enumerated therein, but most Americans believe the Bill of Rights is a proclamation to the States as well, and thus tolerates federal infractions of it. If Congress has enacted a law which seems offensive, odds are it’s also unconstitutional.

  • James

    There seems to be unanimous consent that the U.S. is going to hell in a hand-basket, but I see no recommendations as to what should be done about it. Any ideas?

    • Another Vet

      Try this on James,”…It is my intention to curb the size and influence of the Federal establishment and to demand recognition of the distinction between the powers granted to the Federal government and those reserved to the States or to the People. All of us need to be reminded that the Federal government did not create the States; the States created the Federal government.” R Reagan If the libtards in the BIG cities want this socialist crap they can have it. But they should not be able to impress this garbage on the rest of the country. Why, when the Dems lose, do you hear about eliminating the Electoral College? The sheer number of people in those cities that can water down the value of my vote. When I vote locally my vote has far more weight – limit the Fed so you have a real voice in how YOUR GOVERNMENT works….

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