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Removing The Scales

July 2, 2012 by  

Removing The Scales
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Like Saul, the American people are now being led blindly to Damascus.

As [Saul] was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, but get up and enter the city, and it will be told you what you must do.” The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing; and leading him by the hand, they brought him into Damascus. (Acts 9:3-8, NASB)

Like Saul, the American people are now being led blindly to Damascus. Unlike Saul, their journey is not heaven-inspired.

Americans have been brainwashed by constant fearmongering from government propagandists to believe there are terrorists under every rock who are driven by a desire to kill us because of our way of life. This is part of a disinformation campaign.

What Americans aren’t told is that those terrorists have been created in response to American imperialism. And what’s worse, they have been aided and abetted by agents in government or on behalf of government — both in the United States and other countries — through training and the supply of weapons and explosives.

In reality, the United States’ goal is to control the Mideast and North Africa. It uses terrorism in other countries and the threat of terrorism — and actual false-flag incidents — here to achieve this.

America’s goal is to factionalize and destabilize the region for America’s benefit and the benefit of Saudi Arabia and Israel. These countries, along with Turkey, essentially own American government through bribes, cronyism, weapons purchases, etc.

The United States began its Mideast coup in 1951 when Kermit Roosevelt, a grandson of Theodore Roosevelt and a CIA agent, was sent to Iran to organize a revolt against that country’s democratically elected prime minister, Mohammed Mossadegh, after Mossadegh nationalized Iran’s petroleum assets, cutting out the British petroleum company that would later become known as BP.

Mossadegh, TIME magazine’s “Man of the Year” in 1951, outraged Great Britain by his actions. But England and America feared that a direct military response would provoke the Soviet Union. So Roosevelt went in and used payoffs and threats to organize a series of street riots and violent demonstrations. These created the sense that Mossadegh was unpopular (he wasn’t) and inept.

By the end of the year, Mossedegh was forced out. He spent the rest of his days under house arrest. The United States installed its puppet, Mohammed Reza Shah, as Iran’s dictator, and Roosevelt’s success ushered in a new mode of empire building that continues to this day.

For years afterward, the United States continued to employ this tactic to subjugate other countries and exploit their resources. But rather than using direct CIA involvement as in Iran, more subtle means were used. Large corporations, aided by CIA front groups and using money from the U.S. Treasury laundered through the World Bank, went in and bought off the leadership of targeted countries with pie-in-the-sky infrastructure improvement projects and bribes. If the leadership balked, jackals — CIA operatives — came in and offered presidents and prime ministers “deals they couldn’t refuse.” Those who did refuse died under mysterious circumstances or saw their countries attacked by the United States in “police actions.” 1

Most of the so-called Arab Spring revolutions that began last year were similar operations. It’s easy to see which ones were backed by America and which were spontaneous revolts against totalitarianism. For instance, in Bahrain, where a U.S. puppet rules and the U.S. Fifth Fleet is based, anti-government protesters were shot by government forces — aided by American military personnel, arrested and fired from their jobs. This story barely made a blip in the mainstream media. In the stories that did run, the revolts were couched as Iran-inspired unrest.

Yet when anti-government protests began in Egypt, Libya and Syria, America and/or NATO intervened on the side of the protesters. That’s because it was time to remove a puppet (Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak) or do away with recalcitrant leaders who refused to play along (Moammar Gadhafi in Libya and Bashar Assad in Syria).

If you don’t think America didn’t control events in Egypt, you aren’t thinking. The same tactics Roosevelt used in Iran in 1951 were employed in Egypt: Agents provocateur sowed the seeds of unrest to destabilize and overthrow a government — in this case one that had been a useful puppet of America and enriched by American dollars for many years.

The U.S. government is publicly bemoaning Egypt’s takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood. But the Muslim Brotherhood’s ties go to the top of the State Department. And the revolution led by the Muslim Brotherhood, the April 6 Youth Movement and Kifaya were funded and directed by the National Endowment for Democracy, a State Department/CIA front group. Some of these players have ties to American CIA operations as far back as the 1999 bombings of Yugoslavia and the caretaker government installed in Serbia. (As an aside, the NED and/or other CIA front groups and some of the same players behind Arab Spring organized and funded the Occupy Wall Street movement. Details of all these ties can be read here and here.)

Egypt’s new president is Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohammed Morsi. Morsi’s wife served in the women’s division of the Muslim Brotherhood with Saleha Mahmood Abedin. Abedin’s daughter is Huma Abedin, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s deputy chief of staff and the wife of disgraced former Congressman Anthony Weiner. (Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was also on very friendly terms with women’s division and invited them into the White House.)

In March 2007, Seymour Hersh wrote about the U.S. alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Arabia and their efforts to destroy Shiite Muslims and factionalize Muslim countries. Quoting Vali Nasr, a senior fellow with the Council on Foreign Relations:

“The Saudis have considerable financial means, and have deep relations with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis”—Sunni extremists who view Shiites as apostates. “The last time Iran was a threat, the Saudis were able to mobilize the worst kinds of Islamic radicals. Once you get them out of the box, you can’t put them back.”

The Saudi royal family has been, by turns, both a sponsor and a target of Sunni extremists, who object to the corruption and decadence among the family’s myriad princes. The princes are gambling that they will not be overthrown as long as they continue to support religious schools and charities linked to the extremists. The Administration’s new strategy is heavily dependent on this bargain.

Nasr compared the current situation to the period in which Al Qaeda first emerged. In the nineteen-eighties and the early nineties, the Saudi government offered to subsidize the covert American C.I.A. proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Hundreds of young Saudis were sent into the border areas of Pakistan, where they set up religious schools, training bases, and recruiting facilities. Then, as now, many of the operatives who were paid with Saudi money were Salafis. Among them, of course, were Osama bin Laden and his associates, who founded Al Qaeda, in 1988.

This time, the U.S. government consultant told me, Bandar and other Saudis have assured the White House that “they will keep a very close eye on the religious fundamentalists. Their message to us was ‘We’ve created this movement, and we can control it.’ It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs; it’s who they throw them at—Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”

In Libya, the U.S./NATO-financed and armed “rebels” were al-Qaida forces who had previously fought against American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. They routinely attacked civilians and laid blame on the Gadhafi government. Once they had sufficiently destabilized the country and Gadhafi brought out his military in an effort to retain power, America intervened for “humanitarian” reasons. What’s humane about NATO bombs falling on and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians was never explained. Nor was why the United States was supposedly fighting al-Qaida forces in the so-called “War on Terror” while supporting them in their effort to overthrow a popular leader in Libya.

Now that Gadhafi is gone, the Muslim Brotherhood is moving in to fill the political vacuum.

The United States is now using the same playbook in Syria, but with a twist. Heavily armed Syrian rebels are massacring civilians — as rebels did in Libya — and blaming Assad. Evidence of U.S. and NATO intervention comes in the form of the weapons the rebels are using.

According to Debkafile, British special forces have been operating inside Syria since May 26. And in an apparent false-flag operation, NATO member Turkey sent one of its planes into Syrian territory where it was shot down in a Gulf of Tonkin-style false-flag incident designed to give legitimacy to NATO intervention.

Turkey’s involvement is especially insidious given revelations by former FBI interpreter and later whistleblower Sibel Edmonds. In her new book, Classified Woman, (which I will review Thursday), Edmonds says she stumbled upon evidence that Turkish elements had ties to 9/11 that reached up through the FBI, the State Department and into Congress and the George W. Bush Administration.

What she found was that people in American government were willing to sell — or facilitate the sale of — arms and information to the highest bidder regardless of whether the buyers were enemies or friends. When she tried to report these revelations to her superiors, they shut her up. Finally, she was harassed, fired by the FBI, gagged by the Department of Justice and the courts and stymied in her attempts to report to Congress. Even though she could name names, the 9/11 Commission wouldn’t consider her testimony, Republicans in Congress ignored her because she was naming Republicans, and Democrats in Congress wouldn’t touch her because some Democrats were involved.

The problem the American war machine now faces is similar to the one it faced in 1951. Russia — with China’s backing — has said “no more” to American imperialism and indicated an American or NATO response in Syria or Iran might provoke a military response. A miscalculation by either side would have tragic consequences for the world.
Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and the Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.”  And the Lord said to him, “Get up and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying, and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him, so that he might regain his sight.” But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem; and here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.”  But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name’s sake.”  So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”  And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; and he took food and was strengthened. (Acts 9:10-19, NASB)
Americans have been propagandized into believing the country’s motives in the Mideast are about defeating terrorism and spreading democracy. But the motives are much more sinister.

And just like Ananias had to be convinced that the stories he had heard about Saul no longer applied, Americans must understand America’s motives aren’t as altruistic as they’ve been led to believe. They must remove the scales from their eyes and see the Mideast situation for what it really is. It’s not about fighting a War on Terror or about humanitarian intervention.

This must be understood, and America’s leadership must be stopped before it gets to Damascus.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Eric Jones

    Mr Livingston aside from the realigus angle i couldnt agree more.

    • gerryrichard

      Interesting….the “religious angle” doesnt appeal to you,eh?….it is only because of that so called angle that the point is made…or maybe the atheists can concoct a better basis for the argument,you know,those that believe “nothing doesnt exist”?

      • Robert kepka

        As a nation that embraces all religions, even the religion of atheism, there is something those who object to religion are missing. When we approve of a religion that brings theocracy in place of our government we must reject that religion. If those atheists believe they would have a better life under Sharia I suggest they go to a Muslim country to live and see how they like it. Our nation was without doubt founded under a Christian religion which allows for diversity. The religion itself was not brought into our government but the moral laws common to every human being was brought into our government.If a Godless way of life was good for humanity then the soviet Union should have been a paradise.There is no doubt, religions including the Christian Religion, have in the past gone overboard in promoting their religion We are now seeing that with the Muslim religion. Their success will be determined only if we let it happen The atheists should make a decision under which religion they would be better off because neither is going away.

      • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.frana Eugene Frana

        To Robert kepka; Atheism in not a religion, no matter how much anyone wants to pretend it is. Also, as an atheist myself, and all the stuff I’ve read from other atheists, I can GUARANTEE you that I know of NO atheist that will live under “sharia” law! Do you know who says that kind of crap about atheists? Certain religious right christians that just want to stir up trouble on people that won’t join THEM.
        ON another note; Joseph Stalin was a trained Catholic priest. He found a way to gain power by using Communism (NOT American atheism) in the government. Then he open up over 800 Catholic Orthodox churches in Russia once he gained his power.

      • Richard Pawley

        To Robert Kepka: I agree with what you say. The atheists in this country are quite naive if they believe eliminating Judeo-Christian teaching will result in the vacuum of nothingness or atheism. Nature abhors a vacuum and it is probable that Sharia Law will replace the freedom that Judeo-Christian law gives (not churches with their many varied teaching) if it is eliminated. We are already seeing that in the crime statistics over generations. There are already areas in London and other cities in countries of Europe where law enforcement does not enter. They are controlled by Sharia Law.

        About 75 years ago Jesus told a woman in England that “All my followers know and love the simple rules I taught when I lived on earth as a man. Many of them would be confused by all the rules of your churches. In all things simplify!” (from GOD CALLING, edited by A. J. Russell.

        There is more I could say but what would be the point. God even loves atheists but they will miss so much because they reject all that He could do for them. If they were not a religion (or anti-religion) they would not be organizing and trying to organize to copy the worst that “religions” have done in the past. I have read that one Christian said that the problems that are coming, from the severe inflation to weather changes to the destruction of Los Angeles in a few years, to WWIII, to food shortages, etc. that even the atheists will be crying out to God to make it all stop (that they will eventually know it’s to much to all be just coincidental). In any event time will tell as it always does and we are living in some of the most interesting times in the history of the world. May God bless you.

    • KG

      Although it’s probably been said, the fact that the Republicans were planing to turn America into what it is today, i.e. the “Plan to Revitalize American forces”, should not be overlooked. Because if you really look at who has been doing all the undoing of what we call America, since the beginning of the ‘Conservative” movement, the Republican party has been complicit in it’s destruction. Beginning with Nixon, continuing and expanding under Regan/Bush, we have come to the ultimate goal of the Republican party – to destroy the great legacy of Roosevelt. A man who was reelected by the American people in record majorities 4 times. And help restore the American Dream to ALL AMERICANS.

      Those who insist that the parties “…are basically the same know nothing of history. Right now, there is a clear choice – either continue as a wounded nation, or seize the opportunity to turn our country into a true Republic “…of the People, by the People, and FOR THE PEOPLE!” No wonder the Republicans are attacking the second greatest president – Abraham Lincoln. Abe saved our nation just as much as Roosevelt did. Now, do the really RICH people like these men, no instead they HATE these two men. So there is a clear difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

      Status Quoe – Republican
      A different, yet proven, direction – Democrat

      I wish more Dem’s would step up and call you guys on your crap.

      • rocketride

        KG’s off his/her meds again. (Or is it still?)

      • Robert Smith

        Really? Off meds?

        Surely you can come up with a better argument than that or the points will stand.

        Rob

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        I agree, Robert. Rockectride’s response to KG wasn’t a very good one. But if KG isn’t off his meds, then what could be the reason for KG’s idiotic, and less-then-accurate, comment?

        On one thing, i will, agree, with KG. There has been a coordinated, and methodical-commitment to the destruction of America; but to suggest, or rather insist, that it is not a coordinated effort, and that, it is a not a monstrous conspiracy, a conspiracy, btw, that could only be achieved by the full cooperation of those who control our political-system, is to either expose yourself as a liar, or a half-wit! At the risk of providing the wrong answer, or offending KG, as to which of the two possibilities KG might be, i will respectfully withhold my opinion.

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        KG, you made the following statement:

        Status Quoe – Republican
        A different, yet proven, direction – Democrat.

        Lets take your first sentence: Status Quoe – Republican. to me that means freedom to pick and choose what you want, Work to provide for your family. A Strong Defence. Less Government intrusion.

        Now for your second sentence: A different, yet proven, direction – Democrat. (A SOCIALISTIC STYLE GOVENMENT WHERE THE MEMBERS OF THE ‘PARTY’ HAVE EVERYTHING THEY WANT AND THE REST ARE SLAVES! NO THANK YOU!) Bigger govenment. Government telling you must do something or else (Nazism, or even Communism), Taking you hard earned wages and giving it to someone that is to lazy to work (Making you a slave), A WEAK DEFENCE. In other-words turning the US of A into a European style sespool.

        Well, KG, I much rather vote for a stable economy with jobs and freedom than vote for someone who hates America and what it stands for.

        US Combat Vet: ’68-69 Vietnam (1st Cav Div (AM))

      • David

        You are blind as a bat!!! Democrats are as bad if not worse than Republicans!! Republicans use the World Banking System to rob Americans of their ability to create wealth and better themselves, while the Dems promote socialism and fascism to put us all under government control!! If you believe the dems are better than the repubs, you are as blind as the story implies!! Lincoln was no hero!! He was the first president to defy the Constitution and States Rights and presidents Wilson and Roosevelt began the march toward socialism!!!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Surely you can come up with a better argument than that or the points will stand.”

        The pot calling the kettle black. RS you have made the same statement yourself many many times.

      • Robert kepka

        If you can not see beyond political party you have a problem. These two parties are not what they once were. There is a common enemy that has usurped these parties. It is only for those light thinkers,that embrace the Rep vz Dem facade, that it is perpetrated in their behalf. If you think organization like the Bilderbergers, Council on Foreign Relations, Etc. have no effect on our political parties and therefore our government, Why do you think they exist. Check out the past Presidents who have been members of the Bilderbergers and the past members of the supreme court or the members of congress who have been or are members off one or more of these organizations. Please educate yourself.

      • BigBadJohn

        John Says:

        “Lets take your first sentence: Status Quoe – Republican. to me that means freedom to pick and choose what you want, Work to provide for your family. A Strong Defence. Less Government intrusion.”

        Then what do you call Bush’s and the republicans wire tapping everyone in the USA – without a court order?

        What do you call the patriot act imposed under republican rule?

        What do you call NDAA that strips the right of Habeus Corpus, which was written and pushed by republicans???

        Sorry not my definition of freedom. BOTH PARTIES are out to take away you freedoms and civil liberties!!!!!!

        • macgyver1948

          BigBadJohn… You said “Then what do you call Bush’s and the republicans wire tapping everyone in the USA – without a court order? What do you call the patriot act imposed under republican rule? What do you call NDAA that strips the right of Habeus Corpus, which was written and pushed by republicans???”.

          I also call it big GOP Government intrusion. They seem to want smaller government except when there are things, not restricting them, they want to restrict and intrude upon others who aren’t them. To bad there isn’t all the room we need to show the Great GOP, and others as well, hypocrisies.

          And I agree with the following old guy when he said:
          “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin said this.

          I see violations in the US Constitution with things Bush and Home Land Security did with that wire tapping thing alone but there are more. But what do I know? I will never see any kind of alignment between the Founders and the current TP and GOP.

      • Cliffystones

        Sounds like a wonderful, logical well thought out constructive argument.

        In a reverse-parallel universe!

      • Cliffystones

        That would be “KG”s original diatribe.

      • independent thinker

        “Then what do you call Bush’s and the republicans wire tapping everyone in the USA – without a court order?”

        This has been going on since at least Kennedy and possible as far back as Truman it just became common knowledge under Bush.

        “What do you call the patriot act imposed under republican rule?”

        Could not have passed without massive support from democrats.

        “What do you call NDAA that strips the right of Habeus Corpus, which was written and pushed by republicans???”

        The democrats in the Senate could have easily blocked it if they had wanted and obama could have refused to sign it.

        You did get it right in your last paragraph both parties are to blame.

      • Stuart Shepherd

        KG, thank you for that typically condescending supercilious PC robot green energy for brains lecture! You’ve proven, once again, that at least half of the liberals suffer from an effective intelligence level of a 2 year old and at least half of them suffer from evil motivations (like our President).

      • margie

        What diatribe!

      • chester

        It seems that every ttime a Democrat, or anyone with leanings in that direction steps up and says something intelligent, they are listed as a Koolaid drinker from the sixties, when that was a nickname for acid droppers and other dreamers. The Democrats as a whole have a better vision for what the country can and should be than most anything I have seen on here, but even they are not perfect. That is the very reason this country was and IS based on the art of compromise. When both sides feel they have been shafted, it is a good chance you have a fair agreement. Perhaps what we have in the House and Senate should relearn that lesson.

      • Tomas

        Hmmm, how ’bout this? Use your brain. Look at the results of ALL of government interventions into our lives. Does the end result change just because a dem or repub majority was in power? Your two examples were times when extraordinary things were occurring. WW2 (promulgated by the us, history boy, war started in part due to hitler becoming unresponsive to his former sponsors) and civil war, war against states rights as much as slavery. Obviously slavery is immoral and has no place, but aren’t erosion of states rights part of the path that has led us where we are? Right now, and since about 1913, it has been government vs. liberty. Liberty has lost, government and it’s unconstitutional intrusion has exploded into our lives. And your answer is to make sure dems stay in power? How cute. Both parties have the same goal, just different pr departments.

  • Harold Olsen

    According to the Obama regime, WE, the American people who oppose Obama’s Nazi policies are the real terrorists.

    • Norm

      Obama’s policies??
      Where were you when Bush and Cheney declared war on half the middle east? Listen to Romney’s sabre rattling. He and McCain would have us in war forever.
      Even though the US is broke, there is always a few trillion to fight needless, fruitless imperialistic wars.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        The point Harold is making, Norm, is that obama is no different from Bush/Cheney/Mcain/Clinton, and soon to be Romney; all, “establishment” puppets!

      • TIME

        Dear Jay,
        Right on!

        Peace and Love

      • BigBadJohn

        Jay,
        I agree there is no difference in the policies of the last two administrations. However. re-read what Harold said – he is clearly trying to blame Obama.

      • EdinNola

        Where do all these dolts crawl from? Bush launched our forces with full authority of the U.S. Congress. (Something Obama failed to obtain – TWICE). The fact is that he arrived at his decision to do so on the advice of the head of the CIA, George Tenet. George was an inexplicable hold over from the Clinton Admin. and was obviously serving another master when he advised Bush to go into Iraq as he did.

        Soros and his minions, and I suggest you may be one, have blown that falsely into a Bush fiasco, when in fact the real problem has been with “reconstruction”, again on the advice of Progressive advisors.

        Most of the crap you people put out is a flat out lie. Soros had a personal problem with Bush and spent a heck of a lot of money to slander Bush in any way possible, including hiring delusional bloggers to run their mouths spreading every detrimental lie they could possibly dream up to disparage him. Grow up man. Bush has not been in office for almost four years and the country has been sold out – virtually destroyed by Obama. If you can’t see what is right in front of your eyes, then I pity you.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        True, BBJ, I was primarily responding to Norm’s response to Harold which wasn’t in keeping with the point Harold was making, which was; according to President Pinnochio’s policies, anyone who criticizes his policies, is a terrorist!

      • Average Joe

        Norm,

        George W. Bush did NOT order 241 drone strikes,launch FBI raids on antiwar activists, expand the Patriot Act, authorize the assassination of US citizens abroad and appoint Monsanto executives to the FDA….

        You’re thinking about Barack Obama.

        Don’t get me wrong Norm, I wasn’t happy with Bush anymore than I am with Obama. I am simply pointing out that both Bush and Obama have the same agenda…and that maybe you need to wake uo and stop falling for the Left/Right, Democrat/Repiblican paradigm. They were/are all complicit in taking our nation down the wrong path. It is time for a new direction and new policies for America…and I don’t see that happening by re-electing Obama or by electing Romney….a politician is a politician.
        If you truly want change, you must vote for a Statesman rather than another Politician.

        I am voting for America.
        I am voting for a Statesman.
        I am voting for Ron Paul 2012!

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

        Norm; As a former Marine I’ve always said it’s better to fight your enemy there then here on our land, seems your another blame Bush idiot? Carter didn’t do anything, took a Repulican to put the fear of God in Iran, now we have a idiot-in-chief muslim who wants to break America, so he can be god, both of you are a joke, a bad joke at that.

      • Michael Beglin

        Obama has intensified every plan of attack started by Bush. Obama is more like Bush than Bush is. Obama has lied about every single thing he promised during his campaign. Both parties are corrupt. We need term limits on every government seat from dag-catcher on up. Without that, there will be no return of our freedoms unless We the People are willing to declare war on our own government. As our government grows increasingly out of control, our options are becoming more limited. Ron Paul won Iowa. How long until we were told that? The media lies to us every day, and most people believe every word.

        We need to bring our troops home, from everywhere, and fix America before we worry about taking over the world. Our country falls apart while we spend trillions killing people. Where are our REAL choices?

      • Deerinwater

        Jay says:
        July 2, 2012 at 9:44 am
        The point Harold is making, Norm, is that obama is no different from Bush/Cheney/Mcain/Clinton, and soon to be Romney; all, “establishment” puppets!

        Response; maybe so Jay ~ but he’s no republican and not marching lock step to GOP music. For if he were, what all the fuss about?

        And don’t count you chickens before the hatch (again) Romney has much working for him, ~ like being your only contender, The American people have yet to speak. Money can only sway results in a general so much being much more effective in a midterm election.

        So what you think about that Nancy from Nebraska?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        deer says: but he’s no republican and not marching lock step to GOP music. For if he were, what all the fuss about?

        Ok, so he’s not a Republican/Establishment/Puppet, he’s a Democrat/Establishment/Puppet. Great, thanks for clearing that-up, deer!

      • independent thinker

        “However. re-read what Harold said – he is clearly trying to blame Obama.”

        As is correct for obama is president and has been for three and a half years more than enough time to own the problems and progress or lack of it in solving them. Bush did what Bush did now obama is doing and he gets the blame.

      • Tomas

        Ironic you talk of endless wars if Romney or McCain were in power, yet Obama is currently in power and has extended current wars (Iraq troops are still present, though many moved to afganistan), and started even more,in just 3.5 years than bush did in 8. If you were intellectually consistent, you would chastise Obama at least as much for the same thing you state to abhor in bush. I think the truth, based upon your statements, is that you are fine with multiple, interventionist, undeclared wars, as long as your team is the one starting them. Fine piece of logic there buddy. Good luck with that. You are well qualified to be a democrat drone. Just replace the word obammy with GOP (no other change in thinking required) and you could be a useful idiot for the republicans should you wish to change sides.

    • Mimi

      I for one do not want to live in a socialist country. I do not want to stand in line for three days for one loaf of stale bread to feed my family. I don’t want to have to wait for six months to see a doctor. I want to work. I want to be a productive member of society…and not for some labor union. It’s coming if we don’t change course…..in November!

    • Greg

      To independent thinker: I call it a lot less intrusive than passing executive orders like being able to lock up a US citizen without a trial for just a thought of being a terrorist. And remember, Osama thinks a terrorist is anyone who disagrees with him.

      • tesmith47

        the same as bush

    • Bob in Boston

      It’s not just Obama – all of Congress, dem and repub, are bad. Anyone who still thinks there is a difference and votes down party lines is a stooge. That would be like thinking Romney’s policies are going to be any different than Obama’s – complete gullibility.

      Think about it – the top two things conservatives complain about (ObamneyCare and Obama using his attorney general to attack the 2nd amendment with Fast and Furious) were literally invented by Romney. Romney literally *invented* them!!!

      Our only hope for true change is/was Ron Paul, but all of you sheep believed the “he’s unelectable” propaganda even though Dr Paul has been elected 12x more than Romney, ended up winning more delegates in 11 states, and was polling better against Obama than Romney up until late May.

      You sheep who let the liberal media pick Romney for us are the real source of the problem and now we’re all screwed because you’re so gullible. Now we’re stuck with Romney, who nobody with both a brain and a conscious could vote for.

  • Michael J.

    Dear Bob,
    Thanks for the confirmation, I think.
    As I have said previously on numerous occasions, the push is to remove dictators who are not on board with the NWO game plan of world domination. And replace them with maleable, easily purchased politicians who just happen to be in this case The Muslim Brotherhood.

    The Muslim Brotherhood will someday realize the betrayal of being slow boiled like a frog as we have been. Though they are now jubilant over the recent turn of events, they should at least suspect the price to be paid for such an easy victory made possible by those they consider enemies.

    Egypt, Lybia and Tunisia are the new Troy, and they have just received the gift of a large wooden horse.

  • MAP

    With the downfall and collapse of the Soviet Union, this country has assumed the role of the most evil force on the planet. But just as destruction fell upon the atheistic Soviet empire, destruction will eventually overcome this evil, atheistic empire as well. At our core is only greed and a lust for power. There is no real ‘America’ left. Our overlords have purposely destroyed it all. Only propaganda attempts to fill the void, just as the Soviet government did the same. And, like the Soviets, at our center lies only emptiness, the emptiness of the secular, abstract, athiestic, leftist state. Alas, history will not be kind to us, nor should it.

    • rendarsmith

      True wisdom in those words. You are right. But how to put an end to this madness?

      • Steve E

        When MAP wrote “Alas, history will not be kind to us, nor should it.”, That may be what will need to happen for people to “put an end to this madness”.

      • Robert kepka

        We could put an end to this madness but it can not be done through either of the two political parties we now have. The power lies with the political parties and both have been taken over by the NWO.. As long as we continue to vote these two parties into office we will continue to lose this nation. it’s the Party who controls who you vote for. No matter how many party candidates run for office it will always be the “party pick” who gets the nomination. mention of third party and the party generates the fear the opposing party will remain in office even though both parties are responsible for the destruction of America. If those masses of freedom loving people on these blogs were united in an alternate political party this nation could be saved otherwise it is only a matter of time until we no longer exist as a sovereign nation.

      • Marten The Canadian Libertarian

        There is only one solution, get rid of your General Secretary “Obummer”

    • my 2¢ worth

      Just to steer off course for a minute:

      “overlords have purposely destroyed it all. Only propaganda attempts to fill the void”…

      … And the world had the gall to blame EVERY German citizen for the atrocities of their leaders.. Soon, it may be our turn unless we can somehow find a way to end the madness.

      … Now back to our story…

  • http://httpaol.com sean murry

    So we are on his enemies list because we oppose him.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Pretty much!

  • Jonathan

    Well the Soviet’s are waking up thank God. Vladamir Putin wont be played for a fool. Their making him look like the bad guy but if you listen to what he is saying you see otherwise.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      So True !

  • roger gunderson

    Our legislators and Presidents are 99% of whats wrong with America.

    • RealitySux

      I simply can not believe that we’re so stupid, so mind controlled.. So.. Unlucky as to vote in nothing but crooks, gangsters and warmongers.. Sometimes this ‘control’ is even bigger than any President (or at least I would hope, else it would be true that it was all of us who created this political chaos by being led by our ears and fooled by our eyes). I want to believe that it’s a small group who’s in control and are paying for the souls of the leaders with gold and blackmailing those who refuse with their life.. Lord, if it isn’t, if the best we can do is vote in that which we abhor then our days are truly numbered because no longer do we have trustworthy advocates to get our butts out of this bad omen.

  • tncdel

    I’m surprised that Mr. Livingston is that out-of-touch with Islam so as to be clueless about the fact that it commands ALL Muslims, not just some or a few of them, to kill, oppress and annihilate all who refuse to believe as they do.

    I’ve studied the Quran cover-to-cover to see exactly what it does say. So I speak from knowledge, not ignorance or misconception. If you don’t have time to spare studying the Quran, just listen to this 8 minute tutorial titled, “Three Things About Islam,” and it will tell you all you need to know about it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

    • nc

      tNCDEL, I am more surprided that bush, cheney and rummy didn’t read the koran before they went into Iraq with an undersized, under equipped invasion force! Mistakes that cost many lives and much money! “Chocolates and flowers” was a bad bad call besides the ultimate bad calls of the WMD and 9/11 connection FOR AN IVASION !!!. BUT bush is gone and those mistakes and others no longer affect us today! YEAH, RIGHT!!!!

      • BigBadJohn

        NC says
        “cheney and rummy didn’t read the koran before they went into Iraq with an undersized, under equipped invasion force! ”

        Simple common sense SHOULD have ruled. The three main factions in Iraq have been fighting each other for 1500 years. The ONLY way Saddam could keep control was with an iron fist. But Bush/Cheney sold America the idea that the Iraq people would lay down their arms and welcome us as liberators.

        How many of you bought into that line of BS?????

      • Sun Tzu

        There are certain truths that prevail regardless of political affiliation and they have been known and accepted for thousands of years. War, even by any other name, is still war and a nation, any nation, should never enter into it for any other reason but to be victorious and vanquish their enemies. If you do not go to war for complete victory (by any means), then you should not wage war, because the odds have already turned against you and you’ve already lost.

        The U.S. has done this repeatedly since Vietnam, and we’ve learned squat from our mistakes. You cannot fight a “Politically Correct” war…..the whole concept is absurd, but that’s what we do. War is a nasty business….it’s not polite, it doesn’t have rules, it’s not civilized and if you’re not prepared to do what’s called for then stay out. When we do go to war, it should be for complete victory. The generals should do their job, I think they know what needs to be done……the politicians should butt out. We always manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

        We have become a nation of girly men, sissies and whiners……weaklings with no stomach to even get our own house in order, but have the audacity to point the finger at others at dictate to them what they’re doing wrong. A typically prime example is radical Islam. These folks have made it abundantly crystal clear what they plan on doing to us, they’ve carried out past threats and yet under the cloak of PC we still want to join hands and sing Kumbaya. I don’t know whether we have the stomach and fortitude left to save our nation, but it won’t happen by capitulating….with our enemies or a tyrannical government, that’s certain.

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          Very, very true. However, this is what you get when you elect someone that has never worn the uniform of his/her country. You get a politian that thinks that they know more about how to fight a war. They also look down their collective noses at anybody that does know something about fighting a battle or war.

          WAR IS THE RESULTS OF WHEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS (COUNTRIES) FAIL.

          US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68-’69, Doorgunner, 1st Cav. Div (AM)

          • macgyver1948

            John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) — I just want to know, according to you, what is the difference between Romney’s and Obama’s military experiences. What is your point? Presidents have advisors with so-called expertise for reasons. No one can be an expert in all areas.

            Romney Military Service

            Mitt Romney has never served in the military.

            • Before joining college, Romney had received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon ‘minister of religion’ for the duration of his missionary work in France, which lasted two and a half years. At the time, there was an agreement of sorts between the church and the Selective Service allowing exemptions from the draft for missionaries. Before and after his missionary deferment, Romney also received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies.

            • In April 1965, Romney registered with the Selective Service but was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. When he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew a high number in the annual draft lottery and at that time no one drawing higher than 195 was drafted.

            John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) SAYS – Very, very true. However, this is what you get when you elect someone that has never worn the uniform of his/her country. You get a politian that thinks that they know more about how to fight a war. They also look down their collective noses at anybody that does know something about fighting a battle or war.WAR IS THE RESULTS OF WHEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS (COUNTRIES) FAIL.US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68-’69, Doorgunner, 1st Cav. Div (AM)

            There go again telling us what you think others are thinking. You must really enjoy your mind reading ability so congratulations on that. There seems to be so many great mind readers on your side of the aisle. Imagine that. What would we do without you and your great super powers?…

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Gee, tncdel, i live in a neighbourhood that’s predominantly Arab. Yet, i haven’t had one, so much as look at me side-ways. In fact, i’ve had a few invite me to dinner. Wow, what a shocker, i’m still breathing! Perhaps you’re talking about the radical fringe with respect to Islam; a fringe, may i add, that’s been created, and is controlled by the Western-military- coalition.

      • Vicki

        Try Dearborn, Michigan. Perhaps the religion of peace there might be enlightening.
        http://www.radicalislam.org/news/american-muslims-stone-christians-dearborn-michigan

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Vicky, how can you be certain the whole thing wasn’t staged?

      • RealitySux

        Staged? By the protesters? Possibly but it was mob violence that caused the escalation. The only way you can determine the truth is by acquiring the entire tape that was recorded.. I don’t mean the part where we came in.. The gathering was already in progress. No one goes to a festival with the intention of looking for trouble, I don’t care who they are.. What was done, what was said prior to the recording? What drew the crowd to these protesters? Yes, they were wearing Christian garb, carrying posters and banners but that wouldn’t draw a crowd unless the they were itching for a fight.. Was something said that opened the door to resentment? We’ll never know because I doubt THAT had been recorded. The protesters probably brought it on but it became a mob scene the fist time something was thrown.

      • Vicki

        Jay. As I suggested. Go there. Live in the neighborhood. View the festival and let us know if it was staged.

  • nc

    Mr. Livingston, if we didn’t have covert opertions we would be the only powerful nation in history not to have them . Sadly in todays’s world they are a necessary evil when even our ally(?) Isreal had been caught spying on US on several occasions!
    We were warned by our own Generals that the bush foreign and military policies in Iraq was creating more terrorists than it was killing! AND WE ALREADY HAD MORE THAN WE NEEDED!
    Arab Spring up risings over the years have been inspired , to name a few,by the US, Britian, Russians and other Arabs. Religion and power made them important to the Arabs and oil and location made them important to the “out side ” interests!
    Politically in the US they are just “footballs” with little meaning to the average citizens who fall on both sides according to whatever daggers THEIR LEADERS are throwing,

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      nc, what you refuse to understand is that if we did not engage in these evil schemes (covert operations) we would still have GOD’S protection! We could have lived in peace and prosperity under GOD’S grace but we let evil take over our country at the highest levels. By the time even some of us have realized it, it may be too late to turn back. I don’t think we can save our country, but many souls can be saved by turning to GOD. Prayer and repentance are the only things that can save any of us. I will pray for you that the scales may be removed from your eyes.

      • Flashy

        Errrr….Nancy. What gives you the idea that your God is interested in the US? You do realize do you not that in war, each side believes a god is on their side.

        Wow …

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Flashy, in case you didn’t know it, the U.S. at it’s inception was dedicated to GOD!

      • MAP

        Flashy, since you are an atheistic leftist, you believe no god is on our side. Hence, you worship only the state. You jump at the word given by the Democratic Party as though from god. Indeed, it is your replacement god, just as it was for the Soviets. You and your nonsenical, evil talk is to be feared. We will never return to a country through the godless, evil Democratic Party. Your talk is as false and devoid of truth as the worthless party you represent.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Actually, Map, Atheists believe themselves to be gods, and they project all the God-like qualities, and characteristics through the State. One need only look to the current administration to confirm my assertion.

      • Mike in PA

        I have to agree with MAP, we should start a gihad against against the US Govt. and when we take over we can exterminate the non believers.

        • http://stevor.wordpress.com stevor

          Be careful with that idea. The New World Order wants to take over and the USA is the main object in their way. How to defeat the USA so the NWO (run by the UN and backed by the IMF/World Bank) can take over? Split up the USA (divide and conquer)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Mike in PA, how about we take back our Government, and stop the slow, extermination of Americans?

      • Deerinwater

        You don’t have God’s protection anymore then anyone else Nancy, It is written that God has preparing you a “place” and that is about all the ‘protection’ you might hope for.

        Bad things happens to good people everyday. While I’m not suggesting there is no such thing as divine intervention, God does really care which world you live in, this one or the next.

        And don’t be going around calling people atheist just because they don’t agree with you unless you are willing to accept this same judgement in kind. You such know that by now.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Deerinwater, I didn’t call anyone an atheist. I merely pointed out that this country was dedicated to GOD at it’s inception! It’s a fact! Look it up! I believe that GOD has protected this country for many years but has now removed his protection just like he did with Isreal in the book of Isaiah.

      • nc

        Nancy, where was the protective God on 12/7 /41 and June 6. 1944 when thousands of his “chosen{ Americans died for the cause? Those who rotted in the jungles of Asia and were denied even a “Christian” burial? HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THE FACT THAT MOST OF THOSE OF THE GREATEST GENERATION VOTED FOR THE GREATEST LIBERAL FDR AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES?? ALL IT LEAD TO WAS THE CREATING AND MAINTAINING OF THE NUMBER ONE NATION IN THE WORLD! WHAT RESULTS WERE YOU WING NUTS LOOKING FOR??? THE KOCH-ROVE- LIMBAUGH INFLUENCE???? ‘
        If you are waiting for the Ron Paul- true conservative influence you must wait until they are large enough that they can’t hold their convention in a phone booth!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/david.houston.731 David Houston

          It was not God that caused these things you mentioned to happen. FDR knew of the attack from the Japanese on Pearl Harbor before it ever happened! He allowed it to happen so he could convince the American people that we needed to become involved in WW2 and the war against Germany! He is also responsible for those soldiers who rotted in the jungles of Asia!! I know because my father was a surviver of the Baatan Death March and spent 3 years in a Japanese prison camp!! I agree bad things happen to Godly people, but when the evil rulers that we have had in this nation for the last hundred yrs or more, that have worked so hard to take God out of the nation and cause the people to turn their backs on God and accept the God known as the federal government, and those people buy the lies and allow it to happen, then God has no choice but to turn his back on America and it’s people and allow them to have the government god they have asked for!! That includes the destruction of our currency, Constitution and our lives!!

      • Karolyn

        So glad I don’t believe in YOUR God.

  • Vigilant

    “Bandar and other Saudis have assured the White House that “they will keep a very close eye on the religious fundamentalists. Their message to us was ‘We’ve created this movement, and we can control it.’ It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs; it’s who they throw them at—Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”

    Sounds like a good plan to me. Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad should have been wiped out long ago.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Vigilant says: Sounds like a good plan to me. Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad should have been wiped out long ago.

      And kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? The military-industrial-complex may not be so easily convinced.

      • Vicki

        Our forefathers DID warn us against a standing army.

  • Flashy

    OMG …. aide from completely ignoring the falsehoods perpetrated by the Right during the Bush II/Cheney regime..WHICH BEGAN this so-called War on Terrorism and was the prime reason to rip our Constitution to shreds and frighten the people into accepting draconian curtailment of our Rights, freedoms and liberties…this article completely ignores the realpolitick of the 50′s as well as calls for sympathy of the butcher Qaddafi and for the support of Assad of Syria ? (not even a “hands off” stance…but active support to halt the US aiding in his ouster!)

    “That’s because it was time to remove a puppet (Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak) or do away with recalcitrant leaders who refused to play along (Moammar Gadhafi in Libya and Bashar Assad in Syria).”

    let’s look at the reality of the situation. Even if we accept the premise the we were actively involved in beginning the removal of Mubarek, playing the game of International politics, was there a referable option/ A dictatorship, unpopular, was about to end. Mubarek was dying. What would the replacement regime be? Definitely a priod of unrest and instability. And we’d have no influence and ran a huge risk of a very anti American regime taking Mubarek’s place.

    Would it not be a huge irresponsible act to not intervene as we did and thus have influence over any new regime? Think about that risk. Egads…

    Qaddafi. OK…this lunatic madman had supported terrorism for decades. Responsible for the Lockerbie plane going down, hundreds of terrorist acts, and a major source of financial aid and providing safe haven to terrorists. Reagan tried taking him out in the 0′s, and Bush II labelled him as part of the “Axis of Evil”. And this article makes him out to be a frippin’ martyr????? Are you kidding me ?

    And would it not be best we maintained an influence over a new government in Libya? no loss of American life, part of a coalition, yet we maintain a significant influence over the ultimate outcome of any new regime makeup. The hype of ‘al qaeda’ being part of a any new government is, i would suggest, something to be taken with less than a grain of salt. Much akin to WMDs in Iraq.

    Assad. OK…so we’re supposed to not take advantage of turmoil involving Assad. We are not to take interest in cutting off the supply of aid and arms to Hezbollah and Hamas. We are not to take an interest in keeping pressure on Iran as well as ease dangers to the fragile Iraqi regime we just fought and lost American lives for. we are not to assist an ally…a NATO ally, as the borders between turkey and Syria grow more tense with each passing day.

    Toss in a few biblical quotes, ignore realpolitik and US security, and call for support of a foreign policy based in ignorance and which can only create HUGE risks and dangers to our nation.

    And it receives support from many posting in this forum. Wow …. absolutely amazing. Disgusting, and amazing.

    • MAP

      Flashy, a fanatic liberal that believes what the Liar-in-Chief says, that sniffs the propaganda and finds it pleasing, that believes that the government is the solution to our problems, that believes the Democratic Party is non-evil and, naively, not part of the plutocracy, that believes there are actually two parties in this country… Such a deluded visionary has zero creditability. Unlike you, Mr. Livingston lives and breathes in the real world, not that world created as a replacement by the sinister Democratic Party. For someone to believe in that mockery of reality would mean they are both gullible and a fool and, therefore, wholly unworthy of trust. Your type is truly disgusting and amazing.

      • Flashy

        MAP…you are so typical of those who require to be told what to think. You criticize yet offer no alternative solutions whatsoever. When you have something wortwhile to contribute, let us know. It will be an occasion of warrant.

      • FreedomFighter

        Map

        Flash is running on a tour-de-force his masters have shown concerning who actually runs America, they do, they being the satanic bankster elites.

        The masters have shown they control congress, the president, and the supreme court and will do what they want when they want even if 70 percent of the American people are against it

        They demonstrated to the wolrd they are in change and will implement the agenda

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • nc

        Map, do you have an opinion of the morality of the Republican Party also? Do you have a party? Is there another country you would prefer to live in? The USA is a terrible place to live in if “number one in the world” is some how beneath you!!

      • MAP

        Flashy and NC, two mindless puppets for the Democratic Party and the evil, sinister people behind it. NC, with his normal flag waving. NC, if this country is so great then why is your party trying to destroy everything it ever represented? Why is everything we ever considered to be ‘American’ under attack by your godless, evil party? You two are as big a jokes as the worthless party you represent. For anyone who has not read it, I recommend, ‘The Tortured Christ’. I believe you can get a free copy on the net. The author, Richard Wurmbrand, spent 6 or 8 years in a Soviet prison, his crime being he was a Christian. Christians were tortured and executed on a daily basis. The book is a must read for anyone wanting to understand the direction this country is headed, a direction the Democratic Party is determined to take us. When the book was first published, there was very little parallel between the US and the USSR, but today the parallels are striking. It puts into perspective the evil voices of such state worshippers as Flashy and NC.

      • Mike in PA

        Yes First the athiests and then the Liberals. Today America, tomorow the world.

      • Flashy

        OK MAP and FF, just what would you two geniuses do in the foreign policy arena concerning Iran, Egypt, Libya and Syria (and don’t forget to include Hezbollah and Hamas in there as well). And while you are at it, detail how that all would connect with the relations concerning the Saudi’s, the Yemeni’s, and the Jordanians. I’d ask you to also connect with our Russian and Chinese containment policies, but i doubt you guys will even answer because you have none other than toss America to the wolves…

    • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

      My how you can expound higher intelegence ,, Get your head out of your butt and waste some more good air. Sheeesh

    • Opal the Gem

      And Flashy who has been proven a lier many times over by many different posters, who has negative credibility, who is prone to overlong posts saying little of substance puts up another huge pile of steaming brown stinky drivel.

  • Robert

    Out of the two ( our government and terrorists ) I fear our government more. Let me explain. The terrorists would like to kill me (us) at least we know what they want. Now as far as our government, well with the current dictator in the White House who knows what future freedoms, liberties, property, and rights we will continue to lose. I can shoot back at a terrorist, my government I can’t. Each day more and more is being taken away from the American people and it sure as heck is the terrorists doing it.

    • BigBadJohn

      Agree, Remember the build up and war in Iraq “if you are reading this in English thank a soldier” As if the Muslims could mount an invasion force to take over the USA. They were playing on fears of the public to the greatest extent.

      Our government propaganda is much more of a threat to you and our freedom than any terrorist threat!

      • nc

        Big John, the biggest laugher of all was “We have to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them (the muslims) over here!” We were already spending billions on home land security “to fight them over here” and like you say the 5 biggest Muslims nations in the world didn’t have combined navies large enougn to get enough “troops” on our shores that a well trained sheriff’s department could put their a$$e$ back into the sea!
        The wing nuts are the biggest koolaid drinkers in the world!! FAUX NOISE IS THEIR HEAVEN! SUCH SMALL MINDS!!

        • Robert kepka

          There is no need for a navy to bring an invasion force of Muslims. They are here now and they are taking over by stealth. Dearborn Michigan is an example. They take over a city by populating it, they then control the local government. It is being done in other parts of the US. and it is being done without firing a shot. They then are able to elect Muslims in congress. Within a few years your voice will be gone. Wake Up America!!

      • BigBadJohn

        Robert, You are correct. But isn’t that our form of democracy? This year was the first year in the USA that people of color (all races) had more children than white Americans. The ONLY way to stop the spread is mandatory birth control. Are you willing to go that far for the white race? Or do we let the majority rule as is our heritage?

        • http://www.facebook.com/david.houston.731 David Houston

          Our heritage is not majority rule!! We are a republic! If we were operating like the founding fathers intended, we would still be a republic! The founding fathers never intended for the majority to rule. They intended for the individual states and their people to decide what was right for that particular state. They never intended for the federal government to have power over the states, thereby giving the feds power over everyone to impose their will!

  • Robert

    *correction: and it sure as heck is the terrorists going it. * and it sure as heck (isn’t) the terrorists doing it .

    • Steve E

      I too fear the government exponentially more that I fear terrorist. The government can do much more bad things to you (and has done) and get away with it a lot more than a terrorist can.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Our government has given our enemies (I refuse to say “terrorists” because I feel that our government are the terrorists) plenty of reasons to hate us. For many decades, they have reassured us and told us that they were protecting us. They told us that we were wonderful, that we were the heroes of the world. Only lately are some waking up and removing the scales from our eyes. Our government (on our behalf) has committed many atrocities. When we label this country or that country as our enemies, we must keep in mind that the majority of their peoples are as helpless against their governments as we are against ours. It is the “rulers” who want to be “superpowers”. It is their greed and lust for power that cause the wars and the need for covert operations. I believe that the vast majority of people anywhere in the world just long to live in peace and take care of their families. Those who lust for power detroy life for everyone else. As long as we believe that OUR leaders are not among those who lust for power, that they are only “protecting” us; “we” are no better than “them”!

      • Mike in PA

        Amen Nancy

  • JON

    What fear mongering?!? I just do what the Master Borg tells me to do. ;-)
    The “War On Terror” is just a buzz phrase to keep the masses ill at ease. It is not a winnable type of war, just one that keeps the powers that be continually infusing billions, if not trillions of dollars, into the Military Industrial Complex. If it wasn’t so damn profitable they wouldn’t be doing it. Money isn’t the root of all evil, the love of money is.

    • Norm

      Money talks – S**t walks. Welcome to the USA.

    • Steve E

      If the government didn’t use terrorist to scare you, they would use Klingons or something else.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        It’s probably coming. People eventually become immune to the fear of that which they’ve become exposed to for an extended period of time. I recommend reading Michael Crichton’s(sp?) book, “State of Fear”.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Precisely, JON!

    • Vicki

      Jon writes:
      “The “War On Terror” is just a buzz phrase to keep the masses ill at ease. It is not a winnable type of war….”

      Well. Actually it is. But we must do it ourselves. Individually
      https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/not-afraid/

  • Fillmorehagan

    There is no war on terror. A monstrous hoax and a big lie. the US government has no problem with terror as long as the “right” people are terrorized.

  • http://pauljones5627.wordpress.com pauljoneswright

    You of course fail to see that is was religious intolerance and right wing blind faith that started America on this path in the first place, as best personified by the election of 2000 and politicians like Sarah Palin, and all claims by any relgion to an exclusive monopoly on access to the Divine will ALWAYS lead to this path of destruction…and that the Founding Fathers for the most part were in no way what you would define as mainstream dogmatic “Chrisitans”, as they knew better than most from the very recent crusades and religious wars of Europe, combined with the many myriad anti scienctific and spiritual seeking persecutions, tortures and executions, and were in fact open minded spiritual seekers, defying the conventions of their time, conventions of intercine blood and cultural genoicide…which brings us to today. Also, how do you define “nothing”? For some, nothing means no-thing, which is just an acknowledgement of a spiritual realm or force beyond the physical…so in that sense nothing does not exist(nothing being just an empty vaccum) but no-thing or the non material does. I like this quote, “Spirituality is the search for God, an ultimate reality, a transcendent dimension of the world, an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his being, or the deepest values and meanings by which people live. Spirituality is often experienced as a source of inspiration or orientation in life. It encompasses belief in immaterial realities or experiences of the immanent or transcendent nature of the world. Spirituality is more personalized, less structured, more open to new ideas, and more pluralistic than religion. Faith is retarded thinking that keeps you away from God. You have to become faithless, in order to start your journey to God! You have to discover God your own way without intermediaries. God’s truth should replace faith. Religion is spiritual slavery. Church is the business of religion. Religious monopoly turns bishops to ayatollahs, and churches to Sodom and Gomor. Spirituality and metaphysics should replace religion. Spirituality is not related to religion. Spirituality and religion lock horns! Many people define themselves as spiritual but not religious. Spirituals believe in the existence of many different spiritual paths, emphasizing the importance of finding one’s own individual path to spirituality. Most people identify themselves as spiritual but not religious. Religion is a memeplex organized by churches, whereas spirituality is defined as an internal individual search.” This being said, is it not odd that most relgious monopolists of the extreme Conservative variety current political foundations are now rooted in something that is very close to social darwinism…and has been defined as such by some…the atheist materialist Ayn Rand.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      There is only ONE path! I don’t care how you find it or where you get on it but this “new age” psychobabble will not lead you to the true GOD! Don’t influence people to “do their own thing”. There is ONE GOD and He has made himself clear. Look for the truth!

      • RichE

        Nancy in Nebraska,
        Sorry to butt in, but shouldn’t “Look for the truth” be “Wait for the truth”? Seven thousand years of recorded Chinese history, five thousand of Jewish and no truth found. Me thinks God has everyone on a goose chase.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        We don’t have to “wait” for the truth. It is already here. Those who seek it will find it!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        What is, “Truth”, RichE?

        • RichE

          What is truth? What works and what is believed to work.

    • James Taylor

      “Professing themselves to be wise they have become fools.” “Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth have taken council against the LORD and His annointed saying lets us break their bands assunder … ”

      It amazes me how foolish we have become … but it shouldn’t.

    • daniel

      Christ said that He is the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Him. Also stated is that the paths of destruction are many but there is only one that leads to salvation. To make it clear to everyone He also said that all who call upon His name shall in no way be turned away. Since these words were spoken by our Saviour I have a tendency to believe Him over man.
      Time and again I have seen the results of mans’ wisdom and it frightens me. Spiritualism is an open can for anybody to define in any manner they want. Being religious as such does not count much either. You can be very spiritual and religious just by the washing of your hands. Your hands can be clean but not the rest of you.
      Faith is an altogether different matter. Where your faith is is also where your treasure is. Your faith should be a reflection of your life and vice versa. It seems that you have done a huge amount of comparing religions to find the “answer”. That is a good thing but do yourself one better. Christianity is the only religion in this world that has the Creator paying the price for sin. Man cannot earn salvation or atone for his sins so God has taken it upon Himself to do just that. No other religion can make that statement.

      • Robert kepka

        It’s the Father who brings you to the Son and the Son gives it to whoever He will.

    • Mike112769

      I agree. Very well said. Religious institutions of all types now preach only intolerance. The churches where I live now run credit checks on you before you can join one. That says it all. Christians are just as intolerant as muslims. I am waiting for their “holy war” to begin in Dearborn any day now. What type of god demands you kill for him? None worth following. Most religious people were raised in church, so have been brainwashed since infancy. You cannot reason with a person that thinks they are doing god’s will. Peace and good luck to you my friend.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        Christ gave a blueprint for our ethical conduct yet so-called Christians seem to largely be ignoring it. In the Lord’s Prayer he asked us to forgive those who trespass against us. He asked us to love our neighbors and even our enemies as ourselves. Yet we get professed Christians like Mike in PA who said “We should start a gihad (sic) against the government and when we take over we can exterminate the non-believers.”
        We complain about the radical Muslim terrorists yet why is our behavior in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan considered to not be terroristic? Do you think the people whose houses are broken into and the males above a certain age taken away, possibly to be imprisoned or tortured, or the people who hear bombs dropping all around them and possibly killing or maiming them and/or their families and neighbors are not terrorized.? What about the little children the drones killed in Pakistan?What about the cases as shown in the video leaked by Wikileaks with helicopter crews wiping out innocent journalists and civilians and even children? Do you think they inflicted a bit of terror in that slaughter?
        Why are we doing this? Because the more violence and havoc we inflict, the more future terrorists, who follow the natural tendency to seek revenge, will be created. Then our military-industrial-financial masters can send us to fight them, and the profits and oil they control will continually increase.
        What if we wise up and see that both political parties are engaged in this deception? Both direct our fear and insecurity against a foreign menace: First the Communists, now the
        terrorists which the ignorant equate with all Muslims. Their arrousal of our insecurities have allowed them to plan ahead for those of us who have the veil removed from our eyes. Police State tactics are pretty much in place now, not for the bugaboo terrorists, but for those of us who have gotten wise to their manipulations. Our political parties claim to be different yet they gave overwhelming bipartisan approval to appropriate $63 billion for domestic drones to intimidate, harass, arrest, even kill US citizens. The FEMA camps await those who refuse to hate and kill the chosen targets. Prolonged detentions with no trials. Executions without recourse. The use of the military for domestic control is already being espoused. You’ve heard the propaganda about how all those trained killers from the trumped-up wars are such excellent capable leaders. Excellent and capable of what? Ruthless obedience to their master’s orders.
        Christians, be true to the Saviour. Democrats and Republicans unite against the destruction of our Constitution.

      • Matrix

        Mike

        God has never been responsible for the murder of his own, only man could conceive such insanity.

        It is man who blames religion for his hatred and prejudice of his fellow man.

        God would never except this injustice and would surely eliminate such prejudice with extreme prejudice!

        The true gift of our Lord is conscience, and it is we that make the judgment on our own behalf, never on our Lords.

        History, as in current events has been blamed on many Gods and wars on many religions, but truth is truth, and God is the only truth!

        The responsibility of humanity is us and our conscience.

        The truth goes no further!

        Lay blame on those men that have corrupted man and religion in his personal goal of being God, not on the Lord that gives him life!

        Man has always been the reason for the destruction of man, but in the end, we will all be judged by our own actions, and will neither lay blame on our Lord or our fellow man!

        In the end our actions or inaction stand alone!

        • http://gravatar.com/macgyver1948 macgyver1948

          Matrix…. Although I agree with you totally in that it is not God who is to blame I feel in your loyalty you are missing the point. It is never God who would be so greedy and intolerant or others because those others do not agree with Him. God very much allows for many different religions and it is not He who has that evil “Only our ways are right” attitude. God would be that selfish and disrespecting.

          But where you might not see the point is it is the people who run the churches/Mosque /temples who can be selfish and greedy and “Holier than thou” in their business of running the church. It isn’t all churches but throughout history there have been many and this is still going on today.

          If only all the people who run the churches/Mosque /temples and claim to be of God would really be. Those who blame God are wrong but it isn’t only atheists who are so wrong. And, why are there so many Christian types of churches who claim only they are right and any who aren’t of their church would have to be wrong? What would be the need for all the differences? Maybe you could explain that because I never could understand it.

          In other words, why can’t we all just get along and respect each other’s beliefs as much as we want our own respected? That is all denominations within a so-called same kind of religion and for all different religions. The hypocrisies are staggering. To each his/her own faith and I am very much with God and my religion but I respect the right and the beliefs of all faiths equally. I just wonder why other seem to not be able to or just do not want to. I feel if people do not respect the rights and beliefs of others as they want for themselves they do not deserve ANY respect for what they believe, or for themselves, but I will still give it until…

          I bet in the eyes of God there is no one right religion.

      • Matrix

        Mac

        God is real and so is satan.

        The battle has always been between good and evil.

        You are good, but know many evil.

        God is pure truth and evil knows his power!

        In the end of time God will show his glory to all good, and his vengeance to those who corrupt his word!

      • Mike112769

        MACGUYVER1948: Very well said, and thank you.

  • robert

    we the people who are the real government,we have a saying were i come from,it statesONLY IF WE THE PEOPLE ALLOW IT,to all freedom loving,god fearing american citizens.to the nra,aarp,amac,teabaggers,john birch society,all legal militias,americans,time to talk/communicate/plan/prepare,enough treason,corrupt politicians,ask yourself when was the last time any politician,done anything for we the people,thats what i thought you said,NEVER,we are the real govt.remember only if we allow it.god bless ron paul,sheriff joe and cold case posse,chuck norris,brian terry and family,all american veterans/citizens.one nation under god

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      “We the people” ceded our power long ago. I don’t know if we can ever get it back because the majority are perfectly happy letting someone else do it. Other than that, I agree with what you said.

      • Vicki

        of course we can get it back. Look at the world of the 18th century. Look at the superpowers in that world. Look at how many actually supported the King of England.
        History can and will repeat itself.

  • http://pauljones5627.wordpress.com pauljoneswright

    So, is when the heretic hunting and persecutions make their usual appearence? Hey, they both have something in common after all…and this is why the elites, as you described, have had such an easy time marshalling the hate necessary for the conflicts you now currently comdemn. But don’t bother thinking about how we got here in the first place…that would mean putting aside the extreme nationalism Jesus condemned, both in words and deeds.

  • jorind

    Bob your current article is complete and total bull pucky.

    • Steve E

      I have some beachfront property on the Moon I will sell you at a good deal.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Well that settles it. The great “jorind” spoke.

    • Mike in PA

      Is not Is not

  • Mike Austin

    It is easy to spin past deeds and situations into a conspiracy. Not that I believe a word the govt says. The line ” What’s humane about NATO bombs falling on and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians” fails the smell test badly and puts Bob’s whole argument in a weak position.
    The CIA has been involved in regime changes. ie.. Chile that cannot be denied. The only recourse is a small govt so the roaches has fewer places to hide.

  • Michael Lewis

    Join Downsize DC Campaign:

    Tell Congress you’ve already won your war on terror, by NOT being afraid.

    https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/not-afraid/

    “Courage is grace under pressure.” — Ernest Hemingway

    Terrorists aim to cause fear, and by feeling fear we’ve given them what they want.

    We believe it’s possible to win the war on terror instantly. All we have to do is stop being afraid, and stop acting out of fear.

    This makes sense not only in terms of defeating the terrorists’ intentions, but also in terms of managing the terrorist threat.

    To us, America’s fear of terrorism is like a cat being afraid of a mouse. Actually, it’s worse than that, because all the terrorists in all the world amount to no more than an anemic mosquito on the snout of a whale.

  • RichE

    …and the dichotomy, chill or kill. Admirable Mr. Livingston, I salute your leadership in convincing the Military-Industrial Complex to manufacture things of peace and not war.

  • Dave

    What is really needed in this country is a main stream tv news show that tells the truth and can expose all the lies. If the public understood the truth about the FED, Social Security and that the new health care law and the others just mentioned are all just ways to fund big government, eslave the masses, things might change.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      It will never be allowed!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        True! But one can dream, can’t they?

      • Vicki

        No need to dream. We have the worlds largest network. And we are using it right here. Right now. The Internet. Freedom of the press is for those who own the presses. And now we ALL have our own press.

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        There is an alternative TV station you can watch that presents the “truth”, or certainly an opposing view to the main stream, namely Link TV . Or you can try Current TV, it will unfortunately be similar in format to the other stations but with an opposing view.

        If you think that Fox IS fair and impartial, I guess we are sunk!

    • 45caliber

      Dave:

      Sadly, that was what our “free” press was supposed to do – keep us informed of all such things. They were to investigate any suspected problem or illegal act in government and let us, the people, know so we could keep it straight and get rid of those who were crooked. Unfortunately, the crooked people have taken over the MSM and have used it instead to try to enslave us to government control and power. I’m sure Benjamin Franklin and other such editors are rolling over in their graves at the course MSM has taken now. They are as bad or worse than any news media run by Russia or China ever was.

  • Quidnunc

    Contrary to your statement in the email update,we are being stalked by terrorists. The key fact you have missed is that the terrorists work for the government and we are paying for the priveledge of being stalked. Day by day our freedom diminishes with no clear end in sight. Getting rid of the current crop in the WH and senate may help but the real question is for how long.When the doorbell rings and the visitor says we are from the government and we’re here to help you, run for your life.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      I don’t think they well ring the doorbell , they well kick it down the door in the middle of the night .

  • http://gravatar.com/stevor stevor

    Nice comments from others. I agree that ALL our “choices” for president have just been which Puppet we want and it doesn’t matter because they’re ALL OWNED by the New World Order folks.
    What I don’t get is whether the NWO folks actually WANT Islamists to take over and if not, what do they plan to do with them after taking control of the middle east and africa

    • Michael J.

      stevor,
      Politicians can be purchased cheaply, Dictators can not. Politicians can be monetarily incentivised to write and pass legislation that slowly hands over sovereignty to the NWO. Dictators on the other hand, feel they own the land, it’s resources and the people who inhabit the land. Most dictators are already very wealthy, what could you offer them that would convince them to hand over their country and the gold mine they are accustomed to robbing?

      The answer is nothing, you instead encite their own populace to over throw them and allow a group like The Muslim Brotherhood to believe they’ll be in charge. At least for a little while, until you corupt their members one at a time slowly, imperceptively, until their regime becomes like a house riddled with termites and ready to colapse, like ours.

      • http://stevor.wordpress.com stevor

        Thanks for your reply.
        So, hillary and the others who cozy up to Islam are just setting them up for a BIG FALL? Hillary has such close ties to Islam, her lesbian lover, Uma Weiner, being close to them.

      • Michael J.

        Stevor,
        Woe be unto anyone who does business with the Hildebeast. She worships only herself and Saul Alinsky.

  • Jimmy The Greek

    This is first rate ! I am so happy to see there are other people in America that see what is going on in the world and who is responsible for it and are not afraid of pointing them out ! I tend to be more on a street level and just say what i think , then i end up being called a Nazi , anti semitic , and even a communist . However you folks with much more schooling can say it on a much better level and not have stones thrown at you . Well i just got called to run a load to the port , so i got to run . THANK YOU ! THANK YOU ! THANK YOU !

  • Deerinwater

    There is a lot of fear mongering taking place but to what certainly our government might be engaged is unknown, while I know it’s not a exclusive government tactic but used often by political affiliations, in particular the GOP which capitalizes on “fear” at every opportunity that presents itself.

    Would examples help?

    Watch our national news cycles and you tell me who is doing it.

    The current administration ran on “hope & change”, I suppose that could be construed as fear mongering to some very cleaver people. Of course the administration office is only a small part of government and while it accept the responsibility of government, it cannot completely control what any single government official might say or do.

    The problem Mr. Livingston, seem to lie more with US news media and the political predisposition each one takes on offering viewers Hard News while it’s actually little more mislabeled commentary , if not by embellishment or out of context sound bite, by simple omission.

    If you want to know what kind of bad day Al & Tipper have had, watch FOX, for MSN will not cover it. If you want to know about Florida state republicans under Federal indictment for fraud and theft or 150 thousand dollars, watch MSN because Fox will not cover it.

    Death Panels? ~ Red Scare? ~ McCarthyism? distrust in government, distrust in neighbors, the FDA, FCC, SCC, HLS, CIA, CNC and on an on it goes.

    Judas Prudence is healthy but who’s to say when it’s been taken too far and people start reacting like a deer in headlamps, frozen in place unable to make a sound decision?

    This battle for minds and votes through national public news media is tearing us apart today. Where is “the” Walter Cronkite when we need him most? Would current News Media permit us to have such New Man?

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      While lack of media coverage contributes to the problem, it comes nowhere near to BEING the problem. You say, “Judas Prudence is healthy but who’s to say when it’s been taken too far and people star reacting like a deer in the headlamps, frozen in place unable to make a sound decision?” I think the term you were looking for is Jurisprudence which is defined as “the study of law”. How has the study of law gone too far? And why would it cause people to react like a deer in the headlamps? If you want someone to read your post and take it seriously, do a little research first so that you know what you’re speaking about.

      • Deerinwater

        ~ I might well be wrong but Judas prudence that I suggested is a little more complex the jurisprudence , as Judas held serious doubts and reservation in both his position and any final outcome, offering any judgement somewhat more intensity on a more personal level. Thanks for your insightful input Nancy. Different region of the country perhaps?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Huh?!?

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Yes deer, where is the most trusted communist, Walter Conkrite, when we need him.

      • Deerinwater

        More Red Scare Jay? ~ It runs deep doesn’t it buddy?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Denial, self-delusion, deer? It runs deep, doesn’t it buddy?

      • Deerinwater

        I feel certain you know more about such things it then I do Jay.

        If you like a little spin on your News, fine by me. But when you loose (again) from being misinformed , please blame yourself and not other people that have attempted to redirect you.

        There is not against the law to be wrong, ~ I’ve learned to depend on you being wrong. While I hate that for 12 years some of our best have bleed out on foreign sand for some fools notion of what Aluminum Tubing meant.

        That we act as if we have concern about spending money today while the Cost of War to the United States shows the total amount of money spent at $13,482,275,623,280

        … the War in Iraq ($804891903238) and the War in Afghanistan ($543335659090). to date.

        http://costofwar.com/en/

        You explain to me Jay why I should take you serious at this point, You are having far too much fun spreading fertilizer at other peoples expense.

        • macgyver1948

          Deer. I like your response to Jay but I want to say to him— So Walter Conkrite is a Commie, is he Jay? Political affiliation is always a choice so I wonder if Walter Conkrite knows you chose his political affiliation for him. Spoken like true tea there Jay…

  • 45caliber

    The government and the media has been working for years to frighten the people of the US into giving the government more power to “keep them safe”. While I seriously doubt that the government goal is control of the Mid-East, it is certainly being done for some reason. And I find it sad that some people are believing this.

    • Deerinwater

      You are right 45, ~ it usually to justify spending or secure a position of committing to a purpose or direction is which spending will occur and some position of power will be obtained.

  • SJJolly

    History shows that one can sell the American public **anything** if you scare them enough. And lots of organizations — not just the federal government — are pumping out fear-inspiring propaganda, to sell their brand of snake-oil cures.

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

    Anyone who has a quran knows that the god of islam wants to rule the world and those who worship him are blind, hateful murderer’s from the word go, they follow a false god and a book of lies, so yes we have something to fear even if they aren’t under every rock, look at out they acted in Deerborn Michigan, hateful and spite in every arab eye. Don’t want to be Americans, want to control this land for thier god, period:

    • FreedomFighter

      Right on target

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Benjamin, that, is a racist statement. Not all in Islam aspire to such madness. There is the radical fringe in all religions, political movements, and special-interest groups. You wan’t to talk about radical-religious-fanatics, who wish to take over the world, and everything in it, and wipe-out anyone who stand in their way? You need look no further then to the “environmentalists”! They make even the most radical of islamists, look like pimple-faced, boy-scouts!

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

        Jay, that remark doesn’t fly with this jarhead, you think everything is racist, and that is just stupid blind left wing crap, Islam is in many lands, not just arab lands, I know, was almost killed in indonesia for being a Born Again Believer, were they racist or just evil? Israel is a nation of compassion, islam converts via the sword coal miner who brain is still in the dark ages or in a deserted mine somewhere, You and Jay should get together and have a dumb party for the blind and uneducated.

      • James Taylor

        Please be accurate with your statement to Benjamin Fox … his statement couldn’t be “RACIST” since Islam ISN’T a race …

      • 45caliber

        Jay:

        You are right. There is only a small minority among the Islamic worshippers that want to destroy the rest of us. But you are also wrong on the main matter.

        They have controlled Islam since Mohammed’s day by terrorism (government by fear). The rest of the Islamic people have been under this for about 1200 years now. While they may not actively support and believe the same thing as the ones who do, they will not identify them and will obey their orders. They are fearful for the lives of their families and have 1200 years of proof the bad ones will kill in retaliation if they do anything other than what they are told. So, in affect, we have all of them to worry about even though most are really good people.

  • bonniewheeler

    Our nation has been kept safe because of our strength – Others knew they couldn’t win against us therefore any attempt would be useless. We are a antion that others envied because of our strength and reliance on God. That is, up until the last election Let’s clean up Washington before Obama brings us to our knees because of his personal agenda which has always been anti-american. Let’s end his reign of terror against America in the November election and put real patriots in Washington

    • 45caliber

      I agree with your arguement up to a point. Yes, we were the strongest for many decades but that all went away starting with Carter – or even before. Each Demo President and a few of the GOP ones have weakened us. The terrorists aren’t worried about that strength though and never were. After all, Allaha is on their side so they haven’t anything to worry about. Besides, we can’t really find or identify their leaders. So why should they worry about that? Right now our military is very weak and all we’ve done is demonstrate that. And Congress, who insists on running all the wars starting with Korea, is even weaker. They are willing to put any citizen in danger except themselves. And all war decisions are made solely to advance their control of their party and the government, not to win.

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.houston.731 David Houston

        Our military is not weak; we just have them spread too thin across the globe! If we would bring them home, we would still have the strongest military in the world and we wouldn’t have to spend so much to sustain them! Our homeland would be way better protected!

  • jim t

    Must be lots of raw materials over there that the 1% wants. They control the law makers, so to war we go.

    • 45caliber

      jim t:

      I’m sorry if I burst your bubble, but the Middle East isn’t there for us to strip. If we had gone to war over the raw materials, we’d have all the oil we wanted from Iraq – and we don’t have any. The only ones who MIGHT have an interest in the oil are the One Worlders, primarily from Europe. The only way we’d be fighting for the raw materials would be for them, not any corporations here in the US or the people who run them. It really doesn’t matter how many times you and others insist we are there solely for the raw materials. As long as we aren’t taking them – and we aren’t – the argument is a falicy.

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        The USGS (US Geological Survey) has spent the last 8 years surveying, with US military protection, Afghanistan and has uncovered an absolute abundance of raw materials there – gold, silver, lead, a vast array of rare earth minerals, copper, tungsten and especially, lithium, an essential for future high capacity vehicle batteries and many more.

        Initially the Chinese have opened up a copper mine to extract an estimated $29 billion worth of the material. If we are not there to avail ourselves of those resources, then just why are we STILL there? And with all the moneys we spent, lost and wasted in Iraq, why are we getting no return on the investment?

        • tesmith47

          BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD CONSIDERS BOMBS, MISSILES AND DRONES AN “INVESTMENT”

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

    The only thing I can say,get out of the Middle East and stay out.Stop backinging Israel.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      The middle east hates Israel without reason and your support shows your a anti semite with a hate agenda, go back to the mines idiot.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        The political definition of a Semite is one who is a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.

        It is one who is a descendant of these people. They are a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language. These four groups make up the Semitic peoples of the earth.

        The term Anti-Semitic is used only of those who dislike or hate Jews, or as a weapon against whoever the Jews don’t like.

        There are four groups who are considered Semitic. If I hate the Arabs it is not Anti-Semitism but if I hate the Jews it is?

        If the Semitic people are comprised of four groups, then any hate toward any group needs to be classified as Anti-Semitism.

        Therefore, if the Jews hate the Arabs, then they are being Anti-Semitic, if the Phoenicians hate the Akkadians, it is Anti-Semitism. Eclectic definitions of Anti-Semitism must not be tolerated in favor of one race.

        It is obvious then that the term Anti-Semitism has been fostered on the non-thinking public as only alluding to the Jews which makes the modern definition a well-planned deception.

        The other well-planned deception is that if you oppose Israel, you oppose God. Nothing could be further from the truth.

        http://www.scionofzion.com/anti-semitic.htm

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        Benjamin Fox
        This may be a surprise to my granddaughter and her husband. My granddaughter’s husband is a Humanistic Jew, and my granddaughter recently converted to the Humanistic faith. They both are anti –Zionist and vehemently opposed to Israel’s Illegal Occupation of Palestine. In my youth I lived with two women, both came from Orthodox Jewish families, had children by them.That makes them half Jewish .You call me bigot or an anti-semite?Why I Have to hate my children and grandchildren,better rephrase your post.
        Benjamin Fox
        This may be a surprise to my granddaughter and her husband. My granddaughter’s husband is a Humanistic Jew, and my granddaughter recently converted to the Humanistic faith. They both are anti –Zionist and vehemently opposed to Israel’s Illegal Occupation of Palestine. In my youth I lived with two women, both came from Orthodox Jewish families, had children by them.That makes them half Jewish .You call me bigot or an anti-semite? That would mean I have to hate my children and grandchildren,better rephrase your post.

        • http://stevor.wordpress.com stevor

          Thanks for the insight into being Jewish. I don’t trust what we read in the Mainstream Media. I also read how the Zionists are behind the takeover of the world by using/buying the USA politicians. I also got the impression that Netanyahu is a “bad guy” with the Neocons and would have no problem starting WWIII.
          I’d appreciate what you know of such things as to who the War Mongers are and who just get blamed. Also, if you have any insight in if/how Islam is being used, that’d be great to read, too.

        • macgyver1948

          I have to preface my comment. I was born and raised in the conservative Jewish tradition and will always be. I cheat on the kosher laws and I will take what that will give me. I and my family, both sides, believe we go back in linage to Abraham. So what? It means only to us what it means.

          What I do not ever understand is there are still some idiots who believe that if you are Jewish you are automatically in favor of Zionism. I agree with some of what the Zionists do but when they display bigotry I am against them for that. I am against all kinds of bigotry, the Christian kinds too, so it doesn’t matter what color your religion is I am against bigotry. I wouldn’t believe you hate your Jewish family just because you may not like Jews. Where did Benjamin Fox get that impression, I missed where he was coming from but I see his “response” to you. :-)

          With that said to coal minor something in the article that is interesting. I respect all peoples right to believe how they choose to believe in God. I suppose, though, you would have to believe in Jesus to believe Jesus spoke to Paul or Saul after Jesus died but I respect the right of all who do believe. I think for the most part we Jews would just like the same level of respect. As for me personally, if anyone would not give equal respect for another’s religion or how they feel or believe they deserve none for themselves. Don’t just assume if a person is Jewish he is a Zionist but he could be.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Coal . . . will that save Dearborn from the musslem menace?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

        Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

        Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

        This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.” -Albert Pike- an excerpt from a letter to Mazzini-

        http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

        • RichE

          “The Third World War” sounds like it could replace Mario brothers.

      • catman11

        Dale on the left coast says:

        July 2, 2012 at 2:49 pm

        “Coal . . . will that save Dearborn from the musslem menace”?
        Dearborn? What are you talking about?

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Even if there were no Muslims , Dearborn could no be saved !

    • Mimi

      Israel is our ally….or was. Obummer is changing that, too! He’s an atheist, I believe. He’s a elite radical socialist who is trying to get rid of all religion. I believe he is a terrorist sympathizer since he does little to keep them out….but TSA is free to harass and harangue good American citizens for the dumbest (expletive deleted). TSA should be abolished. They’re a waste of time and taxpayer’s money.

  • Joszeph

    Disinformation? Wow! You left out the most important part. Who pulls the strings of these nasty little creeps in the Senate, House, Supreme Court and the entire administration of the current and past presidential Puppets? Only one word please.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Zionest !

      • Deerinwater

        Hahaha! you are so bad! ~ honesty will get you nowhere here jimmy. In a single word you are guilty of TMI (too much information)

  • Thinking About

    The NRA scares everybody that will listen hoping for more donations. The neo-nazi run around with their bully games. The self ordained militia plays cowboys and indians thinking they are keeping America safe, where does their money come from to support their habit. The doomsday group thinks they can conquer anything and are prepared to replimish the world with great new citizens and the rest will be dead. What do you expect, there is no reasoning with any of the extremist. The Muslim are labeled as ultra conserative and the self proclaimed conseratives here in the USA are introducing sharia type laws in many states. We have enough problems right here in the USA to last forever and not many smart decisions being made.

  • Dale on the left coast

    “Americans have been brainwashed by constant fearmongering from government propagandists to believe there are terrorists under every rock who are driven by a desire to kill us because of our way of life. This is part of a disinformation campaign.”
    Really Bob . . . intelligent Americans understand that izzzzlam is a Political movement, bent on controlling the world some day. Been watching Europe . . . many countries are now facing izzlamic takovers in the next few decades.
    No terrorists in America . . . wrong, there are many camps, schools and mossques funded by Saudie and iranian money bent on destroying our democracy and our way of life and creating a global kallifat . . . they have told us so many times . . . are you not listening?
    What the feds have been doing for decades is allowing a massive infiltration of Illegal Aliens . . . many from the ME access to the USA by wide open borders.

    “What Americans aren’t told is that those terrorists have been created in response to American imperialism”
    More nonsense Bob . . . there were musslim terrorists before America existed. Today there are Brotherhood sympathisers in the WH.
    Dearborne is a sample of what is growing fast in America . . .
    “Imperialism” . . . is what Britain, Portugal, Spain, France and others did in the world in past centuries . . . American has never been and Imperialist nation . . . they have acted as world police for feckless Euros and paid the costs . . . but imperialist . . . so NUTS ! ! !

    As for Damascus . . . does it not say in the scriptures it will be obliterated from the face of the earth? . . . . possibly in the not-to-distant future.

    • http://www.facebook.com/david.houston.731 David Houston

      Bob is right Dale! You need to go back to watching the propaganda news and keep drinking the cool-aide!! The US has been interfereing in Arab nations for more than 50 yrs!! If the Chinese sent people into the US to create a coup to oust the leaders that we had legitimately elected, do you think we would be happy about it and accept it with open arms? I don’t think so! I think we would hate the Chinese as much as the Arabs hate us!!

    • Robert Rashbrooke

      I agree that the Nations you specify have been Imperialist at some time in the past.

      I disagree with you that America has not been Imperialist in its relationship with the rest of the world. Just because the US has not militarily invaded these other countries in EVERY instance but has used covert operations to achieve their interference, albeit with the intent of benefiting the US by that involvement, still makes it imperialism.

      It is that Imperialism that has caused the rest of the world to come to dislike the USA, even whilst treating US citizens well.

      • tesmith47

        you are righton target!!! that is exactly the problem we are having wih th muslim world

  • RichE

    Mr. Rober Beckwith,
    Can you prove any of Mr. Livingston’s accusations? It would only take one to change your mind.

    • Deerinwater

      Well, Mr. Livingston is speaking in metaphor with accompanying commentary on serious events in some effort to wake people up to the fact they are being mislead and used while pointing the finger of guilt at government itself.

      In so doing, he is not wrong or completely right. Both of our political parties find themselves compromised and beholding to powers that are hidden from our view and out of sight. That is politics. that is the way it has always been and the way it always will be.

      It is the public fight that maybe, ~ on it’s best day, affords our government some notion of balance. I think that it really sucks, but I didn’t have much say in the matter and nobody asked me. I was left with only two choices, I pick one ~ just like you.

      Both parties are whoring, ~ you wish to believe the DNC is the biggest whore of the two, while I surly would disagree. While I think the GOP has the right idea, if you to be a whore, you might as well be an expensive whore and not a cheap one like the DNC, people don’t respect you for being cheap. ~ You earn respect by breaking in off in their assets. otherwise they (some people) believe you are a chump. That is the DNC weakness, no killer instinct.

      Romney would put a whole town out of work by 10 am, ~ throw his head back and laugh asking where are we going for lunch?

  • macgyver1948

    For Robert kepka specifically but to all in general… – I am neither Muslim or in any way Christian and I very much intend to stay that way because, in a way, I promised God I would. Take that however you like but I am happy with my religion. And, it is my Constitutional right.

    With that said, I support the US Constitution for so many reasons. I want, although it isn’t happening, total separation of church and state. I want both Government and “church” to totally stay out of each other’s affairs, no influencing the other at all, unless one or the other breaks the laws and I want our country to always remain very much influenced by morality.

    I have said this because your statement, Robert kepka, at the very least, sort of kinda implies the only choses of religion are Christian and Muslim which greatly insults all the other God-loving and God-based religions. I will never make that choice but I will defend the legitimate rights of both. As for atheist. God gave them the right to make that choice too and although I do not understand it I will respect their rights also as long as they too live with morality in their actions and, hopefully, their belief systems.

    The successes and failures of any religious fanaticism, as very much exposed by history, were made to occur by honorably and moral causes, or not, who were determined enough to be who they were. One of the reason we went to war against King George was because he insisted his Christianity was the only right kind. Also (different occasion), The Pilgrims needed to escape England because they weren’t the “right” kind of Christianity for the regular folk in England. These are just 2 big reasons why no religion should be influencing law making just from our history.

    In contrast to how you put it, which I feel is way to limiting and narrow, I feel the choice should be between morality and the evil kinds. Also the “ONLY OUR WAYS ARE RIGHT” kinds usually prove to be evil. And then we each should choose our own faith and how we relate to God from there. That is real Americanism and liberty when it comes to religion.

    I too do not believe there are terrorists under ever rock. And the more I believe that the more I feel we need to not jump into any more foreign wars. We are still feeling the huge economic crunch from the bush wars but more importantly the American lives that were lost, were even 1 life was way to costly. Go after the terrorists who attack us but we are not the world’s police.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Well Sead .

    • Robert kepka

      In reading your post I am not sure what your disagreement is about. I am not a religionists and have no church affiliation, I must say I have found God in most religions however religion is man’s doing the Spirit is God’s doing.

      You use the term morality but do not define what the right morality our laws should be based on.. Laws are based on morality and religion is the basis of that morality. If we are only to base our laws on each individual’s morals we could not have a functioning society We would revert back to the law of the jungle. The reality is there are two major religions influencing laws and personal behavior. Christianity and the Muslim Religion with it’s Sharia Law. Personally I find nothing wrong with the 10 commandments I do have a serious problem with Sharia Law. You want Separation of church and state, well our constitution provides for that but it is not what is politically being promoted by the politicians. It simply means congress can not pass a law mandating a state religion. Not that we can not pray or have religious Christmas scene or a prayer in a public place. The public owns the public places. So how should the government tell the public what it can do and not do as long as the public is not causing some physical harm to someone else?

      I think you may find we have to make decisions in this physical life and that is our responsibility. We have shifted that responsibility, through the years to our elected officials and we are now bearing the fruits of our neglect.Spirituality does not mean you have to disengage from the physical world although there are those who choose that path.

      • macgyver1948

        Robert kepka… I am sorry for what I might have implied. There isn’t enough room for all to be said here with full meaning at times.

        You said I use the term “morality” but I do not define it. I suppose I take it for granted at times most people know how it is defined, BUT. I agree with you that we cannot individualize morality because I believe both Al Capone and Adolf Hitler felt they were, in their demented minds, moral. They both went by how they choose to define “morality” and they wouldn’t care how others felt.

        For these same reasons we cannot allow groups of people to define it either for all of us, with one exception. That being in our government’s totally UN-biased law making – good luck with that. Some other group may not agree with the first group and so on. I am including the many different religions and denominations. They should ONLY define their morality within their churches and not impose it on others. For example – I am Jewish so I will use my religion as a defining entity for this comment. Suppose we decide that all people will have to accept the Sabbath day to be Saturday as God tells us to in Genesis and Jesus taught in the New Testament.

        How would that work for Christians who have decided it would be better for them to move it to the first day of the week? This is why I have so many times said, well one reason, we must add “Separation Of Church And State” to the Constitution so this will not happen. Your morality and belief system might not work for me.

        You said to me “You want Separation of church and state, well our constitution provides for that but it is not what is politically being promoted by the politicians. It simply means congress can not pass a law mandating a state religion”. It is not in the Constitution so politicians might not be so concerned with it. I understand it works that way about congress but it also means, in a yin-yang sort of way, no religion can influence law making. I believe this because of the things I mention above.

        You also said “Not that we can not pray or have religious Christmas scene or a prayer in a public place”.  I am very ok with that but just do not try to get me to believe the Christian belief of Jesus being the Hebrew Messiah and in the virgin birth. Not only would we have problems if you did but also we would if you treated me as less of a person, with a lessor religion, for not believing what you choose to believe. I have been told often enough, and treated badly as well by so-called “moral” Christians, for believing the Jewish way. This is so very wrong in a free sociality.

        I feel we should base a lot of our laws on The Golden Rule. Let’s all treat everyone as we would like to be treated, as people and in all our business dealings. You also said “Personally I find nothing wrong with the 10 commandments”. That is very nice of you but I would never insist that you realize that “the 10 commandments” is just a small part of Torah and that there should be laws to insist that you follow all of Torah and insisting that Jesus said we should (because God wanted it for us always), saying that because you might believe in Jesus.

        Simply put, it is American(ly) immoral for any to insist their ways of believing and accepting God are the only right ways for all and their ways should be infused into law. We often have religious organizations trying to do just that and there are members of Congress obliging as they can. Personally I would like for prayer to be brought back into schools but it must be silent prayer and no religion-specific being mentioned.

        Finally, you say “ we have to make decisions in this physical life and that is our responsibility. We have shifted that responsibility, through the years to our elected officials and we are now bearing the fruits of our neglect.Spirituality does not mean you have to disengage from the physical world although there are those who choose that path”. I agree with this very much but I personally hope I will never depend on a politician for my spiritual guidance, that I totally leave up to God. Thank you and again I am sorry for the misunderstanding on my part.

  • Proud American

    George W Bush and Dick Cheyney were and still are the worst fearmongers. The only reason those creeps kept Osama bin-Laden alive and never killed during their terms in office. Only the current occupant of the White House had the guts to have bin-Laden killed by the SEALS.

    • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

      Right on.

      • Robert kepka

        GUTS??? All a part of the game plan. Wake up!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/david.houston.731 David Houston

      You had better wake-up son! The imposter in the Whitehouse and the republicans before him, all work for the same global elite and are keeping America on the same path to a one world government! It probably wasn’t even Bin Laden they killed! Why do you think they buried him at sea? No evidence to prove they didn’t kill him!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        They didn’t kill Bin Laden, David. The whole thing was a pathetic attempt to draw the country around the impostor that sits in the White-house! Btw, what happens to ex-cia operatives? Cia operative-Bin Laden-aka-Osman.

        • http://www.facebook.com/david.houston.731 David Houston

          You hit the nail on the head!

      • Deerinwater

        Right! and we didn’t land on the moon either! ~ and I’ve got steel jacket 7.65 NATO round I dug out of the grassy knoll, bidding starts at 25.00 dollars , do I hear a bid.

        • http://www.facebook.com/david.houston.731 David Houston

          You better get the flouride out of your water and clear the fog from your brain!

    • Robert kepka

      You are right. But don’t you find it strange Obama perpetuates the same thing? Don’t you think It just might be possible there is something more than these two parties perpetuating this fear.

  • http://Yahoo Maynard

    Facts can overcome delusions. Open your mind. It is like a parachute. It doesn’t work when it’s closed. The Moslem religion is very close to Judaism and Christianity. They claim kinship to the Jews, which includes Christ, because they believe they are descendents of Abraham through his son Ismael. They believe in the Ten Commandments. Allah is just another name for God as is Jehovah. Sure there are radical off shoots. That happens in any religion. Look at the Zionists and some of the “Christians” among which you can find examples on this blog site. Preaching hate and violence goes against Jesus’ teachings.

    Our government has engaged in false flags for generations. Have you heard of Operation Northwoods proposed by the leader of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962? He wanted to shoot down a plane, set off bombs in Miami and Washington and blame it on Castro to justify a US invasion. JFK said no. He was soon assassinated.

    Johnson went along with a couple of false flags to get us into war in Vietnam and to come in on the side of the Israelis in the ’68 Yom Kippur War. You all have heard of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident which did not happen but got us on board to escalate the Viet Nam War.

    Less well known: A US ship was attacked by the Israelis. The plan was to sink it and blame it on Egypt. A Russian spy ship came along andthe Israelis withdrew. The ship limped into harbor but the crew was forbidden to talk about it. Years later you can learn about it right on the Internet.

    In ’93 the WTC was bombed by extremist Muslims. What most people failed to notice was that the FBI was recorded on tape telling Egyptian Army Officer Salem, an undercover agent, he had to give them REAL BOMBS. The FBI wanted to make this atrocity big. Why? To get the fear and hatred of Muslims stirred up.

    Jumping over the false flag of the Oklahoma City Bombing for now, look into 9/11. I have given out facts that it was the most horrific false flag in history till my fingertips are numb. The WTC towers could NOT have exploded outward, as they clearly did, without explosives. I have gone into great detail. I have challenged you to prove me wrong. Noone has answered me or even bothered to mention them. On a few other sites I get called looney. NOONE has challenged any of the data I cited or even bothered to call me names. I feel ignored, but that’s not the problem. The problem is unless people wake up to the realities, they will not take action to make the necessary changes.

    So, why does it not seem to matter that our government deceived us into hating the Muslims and in the process enriched the elite more and has taken many giant steps toward a police state using “terrorism” as their excuse? Bob Livingstone told you why. Let’s hope you will LISTEN to him.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Thank You ! You are not crazy.

  • richard

    The US is finished, Too many people who are just too ignorant. Besides, our system isguarantees money will always rule us. If we are to be saved, we need to throw out the entire government along with all the buracracies and start over with a better government structure, I dont see any leader with the intelligence to do that Pat Buchanan is right, With all the 3rd world immigrantes we have let in the past 40 years (over `100 milliion of them) there is now no unity in the US, only diversity which leads to adversity which leads to chaos and destructon

  • http://NONE COFHOPP

    I’VE READ MOST OF THE COMMENTS AND I HAVE TO SAY THERE ARE SOME MANY VALID POINTS ABOUT WHO’S TO BLAME FOR THE STATE THAT OUR COUNTRY IS IN. BUT I THINK YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE BIG PICTURE HERE AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO GO BACK FURTHER THAN OBAMA, BUSH, REAGAN AND SO ON; A LOT FUTHER. LETS TALK ABOUT KARMA. THS COUNTRY WAS IN PERFECT HARMONY. THE NATIVES HERE HAD A RESPECT AND LOVE FOR ALL THE PROVISIONS GOD HAD GIVEN THEM. THEY TOOK CARE OF EACH OTHER AND THEIR ELDERLY. THEY SHARED ALL THEY HAD AND TAUGHT THEIR WAY OF SERVIVAL TO THE IMMIGRANTS ( YOU WKNOW WHO THEY ARE ). THE NATIVES TOOK ONLY WHAT THEY NEEDED, NO MORE NO LESS; AND WERE A BLESSED POEPLE. AND THE REST “IS” HISTORY. THE HEARTLESS ACTS OF SELFISH, GREEDY SCHEMING, LYING, MURDERING, RAPING, CONIVING IMMIGRANTS IS WHAT HAS BEEN AND IS HAPPENING TO THIS COUNTRY. “KARMA” COMING BACK FULL CIRCE. ALTHOUGH ALL ARE NOT TO BLAME; ALL WHO NOW LIVE HERE AND HAVE COME TO LOVE THIS COUNTRY WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES. OUR ONLY HOPE IS TO TURN FROM OUR WICKED WAYS AND TAP INTO THE GOD CONSCIOUSNESS OF MAN. YOU KNOW; THE VOICE THAT SHOWS US WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG. START OBEYING THAT VOICE WHICH IS THE VOICE OF GOD AND MAKE THE RIGHT DESCISIONS FOR NOT ONLY AMERICA BUT ALL COUTRIES WORLD WIDE. GOD JUDGES THE HEART OF MAN; AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE ON THIS DESTRUCTIVE PATH KARMA WILL PREVAIL.

    THERE IS A CD CALLED “911 TRUTH” AND ONE BY ZEITGEIST WHICH TELLS YOU ABOUT THE KIND OF SICK TWISTED WORLD WE LIVE IN. 911 TELLS IN DEPTH WHO WAS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE TOWERS COMING DOWN. I CAN TELL YOU NOW IT WAS NOT “BIN LADEN”. AND ZEITGEIST TELLS YOU ABOUT THE IMMIGRANT FORFATHERS OF THIS COUNTRY. IF YOU CAN FIND IT PLEASE PURCHASE IT, WATCH IT AND SHARE IT. YOU WILL BE VERY SURPRIZED, OR SHOULD I SAY SHOCKED!!!!!

  • Rebecca

    This form of “brainwashing” is called bullying and/or EMOTIONAL, VERBAL and MENTAL ABUSE. I lived this way for 48 years of my life and this is obvious because of the nauceous feeling I get every time I hear the “big O” speak and read all he is trying to force down our throats.

    Just like in my past life… If they said it.. I was to believe it and do as they said.. PERIOD with no thought in my brain. Just follow blindly. Well I have gotten past and over all that and I refuse to ever go through it again.

    Wake up America !! Emotional, mental, verbal and every other abuse is wrong. Stand up and take back our country !

  • Linda Turner

    Author made a typo in the beginning of this article. Should have read, “Americans have been brainwashed by constant fearmongering from REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDISTS.”

  • David Jpnes

    I was very impressed with the thoroughness of this article. While there is not much we as individual citizens can do on our own to combat this corruption in our government, there is indeed hope. May I point out two important things that may have gone unnoticed by the casual reader. First, it was God (Jesus Christ) who blinded Saul, and it was also He who restored his sight. Simularly, it is God who has blinded us as a people to the hidden power (Mystery Babylon) behind what we see as our government, and He will likewise remove the scales from our eyes. God said He would bring down Mystery Babylon in an instant and this is as certain as if it has already happened. God is sovereign and his plan is unalterable.

  • SJJolly

    In Egypt, “Agents provocateur sowed the seeds of unrest to destabilize and overthrow a government.” No credit given to a big jump in the price of food, giving the Egyptian masses the choice between possibly getting killed by Egyptian security forces while protesting for change, and staying home and slowly starving.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.neibel Michael Neibel

    There is no grand conspiracy by our government to control the world for any evil ends. What we see are the logical, consistent results of an epistemology of pragmatism. Pragmatism was sold to Americans as a new, enlightened form of practicality where one eschews principles in favor of acting without reference of wider principles or long range consequences, to “do something”, “whatever works for the expediency of the moment” on the spur of the moment and to hell with the results. This is why we have a State department et al running around the globe trying to put out fires, and playing perceived enemies against each other, making deals with despots, and all sorts of bad practices.

    The real villains are the university professors who since WWII have been teaching pragmatism to millions of unsuspecting students who then go into the world with their shoot-from-the-hip method of thinking and acting and worry about the rightness of wrongness of it later if at all. Of course the solution here would be to get the government completely out of education and let that industry discover a rational curriculum.

    Pragmatism however isn’t the only major bad guy. The other one is the notion that the principles in the Declaration have no legal import (which unfortunately is technically true because our founders failed to explicitly wed those principles to the Constitution) which means your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and your government’s sole responsibility to “secure these rights” can safely be ignored.

    Without the explicit guidance of these principles government sees its job as protecting us from harm, but what kind of harm? Any kind that hurts. This morphs to harm not only caused by others but caused by yourself. Yep the government can even protect you from your erring self. (Hence all the laws that are for our own good whether we like it or not) But even the idea of self morphs from your physical well being to other parts of your self like feelings for example. That’s right! The government’s job now is to protect feelings by creating emotional crimes like hate speech and so on. There is only one end to this progression, dictatorship.

    Pragmatism must be exposed for the anti-reason, anti-mind epistemology (method of thinking) that it is and the principles of the Declaration must be explicitly attached to the Constitution.

  • t.e.smith

    the enemy is the system of capitalism, it pits us working class folks against each other using the ideas of religion. patriotism foreign terrorist or any thing else.
    a good example is the murder of Libyas leader Quaddaffi,:he had been smeared as a terrorist and as blowing up the lockerbee airplane.
    the real reason for this demonnizing is more complex the white power structure was still mad at him for helping the black revollutions in s. africa and rhodesia, he sent arms and money, and provided safe haven for the liberation forces , including Nelson Mandela who had been labled a terrorist by the same white power structure I.E. s.africa, usa. england,.
    france , etc

    2. these same government wanted him dead because he was proposing a united african currency based on GOLD which africa has a LOT of. this would of caused a massive los of wealth and leverage to western powers and especially usa.
    3.some Libyan arabs do not like africans, and Qaddafi earned their hatred by reminding the arabs in Libya that the land originally belonged to the africans and by providing equal elp to the african population of Libya. also Qaddafi was not a very religious guy so the religious muslims who already had a ax to grind with Qaddafi, made a deal with western powers to overthrow Qaddafi. just like religious muslims made a deal with western powers to over throw the LEGALY ELECTED socialist government in Afghanistan.
    and to top it off the story about who blew up the lockerbee plane is a flat out lie, who says so? ex cia agent, Susan lindauer (google her on you tube , she is the real mccoy!!)

    • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

      smith, after reading your comment I get the feeling the you are one of those idiot OWSer, the ones that want to sit back with their hands out waiting for small pittance that the Government wants to give you. You say that Capitalism is a system that pits one worker against another. Well, duh, thats the way it is suppose to work. You need work harder so that you can advance to a higher level experience and more pay. So, Sir(?), I suggest that if you don’t like it move to say Cuba, or even China where the Govenment tells you where you can live, how many children you can have, work, as to work they will tell you where you have to work, and what type of education you can have. Oh, they also tell you if they deem you smart enough that you can go onto a higher grade.

      Oh, why do these Governments send their children here to our Universities to get degrees in Medicine, Engineering, and other speciality fields of study?

      So, smith, why don’t you get up from in front of your xbox and go get a job any job. Oh, you say that you can not make a living on minimum wage; well, DUH, minimum wage is just that. Its how a company can aford to hire an inexperienced person (they need to train that person), then after that person has been there for a while and the company see that that person has what it takes to advance further that person will get a raise. Hell, when I started working the minimum wage was 90 cents an hour and when I got my first raise to $1.50 per hour 6 month later I was elated. When I left that job I was making some where around $8 per hour.

      I only worked there in the summer while attending High School and I left to enlist. When I joined the Army in ’63 I made a grand total of $50 after taxes (Before taxes it was approximately $75). That was as an E-1.

      US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68-’69, Doorgunner, 1st Cavalry Div. (AM)

      • Deerinwater

        We were loosing dry ground fast, it was the usual 2:45 PM rain shower during monsoon, ~ but this time , it came down heavy and didn’t stop . The roads disappeared, then the rice fields disappeared, the berms covered over with flood water, it became to dangerous to move about, the fear of stepping off in a deep hole or ditch with full field gear too great.

        Finding a small piece of defensible high ground for 15 soldiers proved next to impossible while knowing Charlie was out of his tunnels and on the move. We hunkered down , (there was no digging in) post 5 perimeter guards , four sectors and a rover.

        It was during this tropical storm, that I did the math, ~ .17 cents per hour 27/7 with perks!

        • tesmith47

          no, i want a BIG hand out, JUST LIKE THE CAPITALIST GET

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Idiot, before you stick your foot any deeper in your mouth do more reseach about the US, we are the most giving country in the world. Every time there is a disaster: earthquake, monsoon, etc. we send aid in the form of money, people, medical aid and the equipment to help rebuild that area. Oh, and just think about it the US also gave material to help build Europe after WWII. We even wrote off the debts owed us from all the material we loaned our European allies during that war. All, so look and you’ll see just how many of our brave and honorable citizens have given their lives so that most of Europe is free. Also, look further and you will find out just how many have died defending your rights. So, sir(?) stop you bitching and get off you lazy behind and go get a job any job.

            US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68-’69, Doorgunner, 1st Cav. Div. (AM) “GO FIRST TEAM!”

          • tesmith47

            I suggest you take your own medicine, as a % of gdp, the usa is about 19 or 20 in the list of developed nations

            BAM! another myth shot down!!!!!

          • tesmith47

            btw , I dont need a job, I am relatively wealthy; high six figures

          • Mimi

            I agree, we should let them fight their own flippin’ wars. Stay out of it completely.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    This thread is the great example, of Socialism, that is gripping our Country today…
    TALK, TALK, TALK, bout, Each other! No real point & No, Solutions that realy fix anything!

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Nancy in Nebraska says:

    July 2, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Deerinwater, I didn’t call anyone an atheist. I merely pointed out that this country was dedicated to GOD at it’s inception! It’s a fact! Look it up! I believe that GOD has protected this country for many years but has now removed his protection just like he did with Isreal in the book of Isaiah.
    =====================================================================

    Nancy: The God of the Native Indians? Than maby, You you are right… Before the Christian God came, & messed up everything, With their link to the Bible!

  • http://wtfoverbymkh.wordpress.com calihurder

    American imperialism? Really Bob? You just lost me. Like some of your ideas but this is just …well…stupid. Honestly.

    • tesmith47

      in your heart, you know Bob is right—— at least this time

      • http://wtfoverbymkh.wordpress.com calihurder

        Cant say that I do. the US is the most giving nation on earth. That I do know.

        • tesmith47

          Yeah, i guess you could say that the usa is “the most giving country in the world”,
          it’s just that most countries dont want what we have been “giving ” for the last 50 years, invasions, regime changes, covert operations, subversion, bombs , missiles, us troops, hipocrasy etc. etc.
          dont believe me? ask south america, ask the caribbean, africa, asia , s..e. asia, middle east.

          • http://wtfoverbymkh.wordpress.com calihurder

            billions in aid, food, medicine, doctors, nurses, firefighters, rescuers, teachers, researchers, freedom, democracy, purple thumbs, end to tyranny and the ONLY thing we EVER asked for in return was a place to bury our dead. BTW: What f’d up school of misinformation did you learn that BS from?

          • macgyver1948

            calihurder – WOW, you said, referring to what we have given to other countries, “billions in aid, food, medicine, doctors, nurses, firefighters, rescuers, teachers, researchers, freedom, democracy, purple thumbs, end to tyranny and the ONLY thing we EVER asked for in return was a place to bury our dead.”

            Yeah a place to bury our dead during the war. My dad’s brother was killed by Nazis in WW2 and he stayed there for quite a while until the family could bring him back. Man those Nazis wanted to take everything from everybody who wasn’t them.

            These are all great things you mention, even purple thumbs to indicate one had voted once already in an election. I wonder about Democracy though. Democracy, along with freedom, perhaps the best of what you suggest for the long term, if not an immediate need, because it strongly implies “choice”. I hope you do not mean if they, whomever they are, do not accept it they are nasty and we should not be friendly until they do. It would be hypocritical on our part if we do that.

            Since Democracy is about choice it must be that without conditions. 236 years ago we fought a Revolution because we were damn tired of not having choice. I see many here today wanting to take choices away from us if we do not agree with them, or aren’t as they are. That is not Democracy or freedom. We cannot force our ways on anyone, there, wherever, or here in the USA.

            I just want to add this. I have often heard people ask “do we have a right to voice our opinion for the results of an election or for what politicians do with their power if we choose to not vote?”

            Well, as American Citizens we have the First Amendment to give us the right to say what we want. I will be voting and speaking out because they are different issues.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        That is beacuse we are paying “Ransom” to the rest of the world! Restition for the Ego Maniatic Politicans… Run by Criminals!

  • Bill

    Islam is a religion, but it is also a political control mechanism in the Middle East. There is no real freedom even for men and certainly zero freedom for women. The most abused women in the U.S. is far ahead of any women in the Middle East. There it is legal to beat the wife. In the U.S. it is not legal to beat a woman. In the U.S. a woman can file for divorce, but not in a Muslim country. Read Nonie Darwish’s book for examples. Muslims are peaceful until they are capable of being in control, then they crush all resistance and other religions.
    Kill the infidels!! And they do. Most of these people are terrorists or will be terrorists. They are doing what they do for 1400 years.

    • tesmith47

      Bill, you are spouting anti muslim hatred. until lately the same sorts of rules applied to american women and all blacks. The west, including the usa has a history of attacking countries of color and then getting upset when they fight back, (the british in kenya, the usa in viet nam and all of south america, the belgins in the congo the french in mexico and hati etc.)the big difference this time is that the people fighting back this time have money and resources to actually hurt western countries a little bit!! and lust like all bullies when they get hit back they moan and groan about how terrible the other guy is.
      !!!.
      there is no doubt the usa has the military to destroy the Muslim resistance, but for once in the last 100 years us americans get a little bit of how it feels to be attacked.

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        Idiot, the US Military did not invade Vietnam, we were asked to help defend those that couldn’t against the Communist from the North. If you took the time to do some research you’d find that the NVA (North Vietnamese Army) Regular or Viet Cong would some times enter a village were they would tie the Headman to a pole and make him watch as the raped and killed his wife and daughters (some as young as 5) just because he or someone in his village help the Americans. Oh, after they were done they would kill him. As they left the village the told all the young men.

        Oh, before you say anything the US military did do some herendious things and those that did we’re punished.

        US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68-’69, Doorgunner, 1st Cav. Div. (AM).

        • tesmith47

          wrong, again. the us sent “advisers” to viet nam in the early 1950s (after the French got smart and got the hell out) because of the rubber plantations that american corporations were heavily invested in. and also because of the prevailing attitude in the west that white countries should not loose wars to colored countries and colored colonies should not be setting an example of successful revolutions against white colonial domination. (the Kipling syndrome)
          do some reading about Presidents Wilson and Trumans attitude and reply to Nguyễn Sinh Cung aka. Ho chi Minh for help against the french, and in starting a democracy

          • macgyver1948

            tesmith47….. I do not like supporting John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.): unless he sounded intelligent and I agreed with him, rare I know. I just want to comment on something you said to him.

            I never really liked what The US called the Vietnam “thing” in the early days, or any other time for that matter. They called it a “Police Action” and they didn’t send anyone over in police uniforms. And the majority of the “advisors” were Special Forces, as in Green Berets. In the early days of our involvement there was a sort of slow down with the French getting out of town until The Tet Offensive* was launched. From that point on it was called what it really always was, A WAR FROM HELL.

            The war was for Western Corporations, mostly the US ones (nothing new there since then) and it was packaged as an Action of defense against the commies in Vietnam. We came to the aid of the South Vietnamese but we here were in no danger, just like with the Bush wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Funny how that happens when the truth to go to war will not work but we were needed there by the corporations.

            Will we be needed to go to war against Iraq soon? Being Jewish personally I want Israel protected but I hope and pray we do not start the thing with Iraq. We do need to defend our friends and allies but we do not have moral justificatrions to start wars as we have for the almighty dollar. Self defense (here) and helping our real friends and allies is all we have for justification.

            *The Tet Offensive was a military campaign during the Vietnam War that was launched on January 31, 1968 by forces of the People’s Army of Vietnam against the forces of the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), the United States, and their allies. The purpose of the offensive was to utilize the element of surprise and strike military and civilian command and control centers throughout South Vietnam, during a period when no attacks were supposed to take place.

            This really was what heated it up and some of our corporations got what they wanted.

          • t.e.smith47

            I can appreciate your calm rational reponse (vs some others response)and you are pretty right even thoughI would say what really got it going was the Tonkin Bay resolution, where we lied about one of our ships being fired upon..

          • macgyver1948

            t.e.smith47… There is so often a “lie” in the ointment when it comes to political or corporate “justifications”.

            Tonkin Bay was an excuse and The Tet Offensive was the shout heard all the way to Washington DC for the get-go. I’m not so sure if there is a difference. Any way you look at it war is hell.

  • Oldbutnotadumbutt@2012

    It’s time for a clean Sweep in Washington D.C.We Should have term-Limits on Both ,the senate and the House.One thing that history teaches us is that power ,and money is not always handled wisely.It takes a special breed of men,and women to do that.I remember in the 1960′s a young President said”ask not what your country can do for you ,but what you can do for your country”I would advise we study what this President said,more closely as Nov.draws nearer.,If we feel that people in high places have lied to us,come Nov. vote them out of office.”I didn”t vote for that snake we now have in the ‘White”house,nor will i vote for anyone that comes close to being like him.

  • Oldbutnotadumbutt@2012

    P.S. WE should learn to mind our own bussiness,and stay the hell of fighting so many dam wars.!!!!!!!

    • tesmith47

      i agree!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joelscopeland Joel Copeland

    Why is it that everyone here is fighting amongst themselves over religious or political differences? We ARE being enslaved by a group of individuals who wish utter control of the world’s resources and population. They are entrenched in every country, under every government. Those who understand this must choose “liberty or death,” lest they become slaves chained to blocks being used to create monuments to the rulers of the Earth. “Let my people go” must once more become a rallying cry for freedom; and we must lavish a justice upon the wicked oppressors to rival the drowning of the Egyptian soldiers when God drew His hand back from the parting of the Red Sea.

    • macgyver1948

      Joel Copeland … Wow I like what you are saying. Whether we are lefties of Tea party followers (I do not mean TEA leaders) it seems as though we are on the same side, we want a free and democratic America. We just see it as happening differently.

      We first have to learn to respect how others want their freedoms and liberties and we can’t think and feel “only how we see it is right for all”. That in itself is total UN-American crap. That very much includes whatever religion we have chosen for ourselves.

      We do have common enemies here and the different sides of the aisle are not seeing that if we argue so much over who is right. We need so much Government reform it is choking us all. We need to bring America back to how the Founders envisioned America and we need the Constitution to be realized that “We The People” own it and not the government.

      I like your use of “Let my people go” and it could once again become “liberty or death” if we allow things to continue. We all, on both sides of the aisle, have to tell our so-called Representatives they work for us and if they do not start listening to us we will do the Donald Trump thing – “You’re fired”. And we have to always be consistent about that. Since we are on slogans I will end with “United we stand, divided we fall”. When we get our country back and we do it as the Founders intended we can have our 2 party system with different points of view, as it should be, not as it is.

      • tesmith47

        unfortunately the original vision of america included theft of indians land, chattel slavery for blacks and rape , full citizenship for only land owners who happened to be white males, and no rights for their white females..
        btw. a slightly later view of america included maximum exploitation of working class white males.

  • Oldbutnotadumbutt@2012

    I Will Agree With on That Tesmith47!!!But you forgot about all those Chinese we blew up in tunnels while we were working on our early railroads!!!!

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