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Reinstituting Slavery In America

July 30, 2010 by  

Reinstituting Slavery In America

I suppose you thought the idea of American slavery ended in 1865. A United States Congressman wants to reinstate it.

Ethically-challenged Congressman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y) last week introduced in the Armed Services Committee H.R. 5741, also known as the National Service Act. The bill would require two-years of mandatory government service—either in the military or some as-yet undefined civilian service that promotes national or homeland security—to everyone between the ages of 18 and 42 if the President declares a national emergency.

No choice. No way out. You’ve got to do it if the President declares a national emergency.

Rangel, who opposes the excursions in Afghanistan and Iraq because he believes blacks and the poor are doing the majority of the fighting and dying, has long sought to institute a draft. In the past he has stated, in effect, that by instituting a draft Americans would be less likely to support wars.

That may be. But forced labor at the point of a gun is no different from what blacks suffered under the hands of slave masters for most of a couple of hundred years in America.

It doesn’t matter if it’s the Federal government or a plantation owner, forced labor is slavery. Giving it a fancy name doesn’t change that.

And one other thing: with growing disenchantment over the fascist bent of the current administration and its assault on the rule of law, this country is likely to soon see a popular uprising. That would be the perfect excuse for the President to make his emergency declaration.

And if you’re thinking that you might resist the “draft” remember, President Barack Obama fancies himself as another Lincoln. Well, just look at what Lincoln did during the draft riots in New York.

He ordered five regiments of troops fresh from the battlefield at Gettysburg to quell the riots. The troops shot somewhere between 300 and 1,000 civilians.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    Maybe if we translate, slavery is a bit too harsh. It’s not as though Uncle Scam owns us – yet. Uncle Scam’s growing powers have eclipsed our right to be free, but it doesn’t mean the old fart doesn’t love us. It’s just that the old sunny beach of a miserable bastard doesn’t have any tact.
    He thinks he can do whatever he wants whenever the mood strikes. Now, if they’d do it right, they’d extend the upper age bracket up to 65, and Uncle Scam could technically put lots of people back to work.
    All together now, praise be to Overlord Rangel and to his boss. They know what’s best for America, so let’s get in line and bow to the master – slave master, that is. Get your chains right here. Line up, folks.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Just think, if they did that the next pres could draft Nobama!!! It would almost be worth it to see him in combat!!! Almost!!! Imagine, PVT Nobama!! HAHAHAHA!!!!

      • s c

        That’s not a bad idea, Joe H. If we have to endure Herr Obummer’s redistribution of wealth scam, then it’s perfectly logical to redistribute the misery at the same time (we must be ‘equal’).
        Anybody know if new recruits still do KP and clean toilets? I’d like to think that certain jobs that act like ‘equalizers’ are still a part of the military. It’s entirely possible that a Haavid education and community organizing skills could result in spectacularly clean dining halls and toilets.

        • Paul

          Draft Obama?
          He’d get out of it.
          Foregin nationals can’t be drafted…

          • Harold Olsen

            Actually, they can. Or, at least, back in the sixties when I went into the army, they could. If they lived in this country and were of draft age they had to register and could get drafted. The only way they could get out of being drafted was to go back home to whatever country they came from. Many foreign nationals went in because it was a quicker means to citizenship. If you joined the military, you could become a citizen. I used to have a supervisor. He was from Canada and was drafted and went in because he wanted to become a U. S. citizen. He served in Vietnam and spent 28 years in the U. S. Army, coming out as a Command Sergeant-Major.

      • albert j. beddy


      • Another Donald

        Won’t happen. They can’t draft foreigners.

      • Bob from Socal

        Thats not a bad idea. If you remember, Elvis did his patriotic duty when called upon by the good uncle. Thinking of Elvis reminds me of a phrase that I would like to hear: “Obama has left the building”.

    • Side Winder

      Hey Bob Livingston…
      This is off topic but pertains to this month’s issue of the Bob Livingston Letter…

      You stated:
      “The vaccine Gardasil, prescribed to prevent cervical cancer in young girls and women, is as ludicrous as it gets. But wait, it’s approved for boys too, even without female organs! The propaganda says it prevents genital warts which are as rare as the Black Death.”

      While I am not advocating vaccines….The idea in vaccinating boys as well as girls is to prevent the spread if the virus. There are a couple of strains of HPV that cause cancer.
      And for the record…its not as rare as the Black Death….in fact HPV is quite common.

      This is taken directly from the CDS’s site

      Genital human papillomavirus (also called HPV) is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI). There are more than 40 HPV types that can infect the genital areas of males and females. These HPV types can also infect the mouth and throat. Most people who become infected with HPV do not even know they have it.

      HPV is not the same as herpes or HIV (the virus that causes AIDS). These are all viruses that can be passed on during sex, but they cause different symptoms and health problems. Other HPV types can cause cervical cancer. These types can also cause other, less common but serious cancers, including cancers of the vulva, vagina, penis, anus, and head and neck (tongue, tonsils and throat).

      So whether or not the vaccine is actually effective….HPV can cause cancer in both males and females. And HPV is the MOST common STP…not as rare as the Black Death.

    • Gerald Nelson

      Maybe Charlie is too busy with his stealing lying and other criminal actions to understand: “We have an all volunteer Military. We do not select by Race, Color, or Creed who enters or dies for our country. I served20 1/82 years and I would still give my life for my country!

      • Gerald Nelson

        I meant 20 i/2 yeaes

    • http://none Gerald Nelson

      Maybe Charlie is too busy with his stealing lying and other criminal actions to understand: “We have an all volunteer Military. We do not select by Race, Color, or Creed who enters or dies for our country. I served20 1/2 years and I would still give my life for my country!

    • bobbie

      hahahahaha. that is a very funny way to address this. The prez has gone mad, or maybe he always was. His cohorts are leaning so far to the left that they are in danger of falling over. This country needs to be give back to the people. Barack Obama is NOT for the American people. I bet the voters who thought he was the second coming are ruing the day!. God help us all. Because HE is the only one who can. We are too lambish to help ourselves

    • http://Draft Rev. Jim RObins

      I served in the military during the last draft that this country had. Though I was not drafted, I volunteered and remained in the service for over 32 years of service. What is being proposed is nothing short of a dictatorship. Here is a reminder. The Constitution gives Congress the power to make law, not the Judicial Branch nor the Executive Branch. This administration has violated the Constitution over and over, and continues to violate it. We must replace those in Congress that seek to under mine the Constitution, including the President. So it dosen’t suprise me that Obama is trying to form his own private army.

    • Ida Red

      Walter E Williams had an interesting quote in his column today by Booker T Washington. “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs,and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” When this was stated by Mr Washington, I have no idea, but it certainly seems to apply to many of the ideas of today.

      • meteorlady

        I think by now most Americans see Jesse, Al and the Rev Wright types for what they are. Opportunists and money makers. Exactly where does Jesse have a church? What about Al, where does he find the time to show up for every little thing that is covered by the new media. As for Rev Wright – he is a racist bigot and should be shown more for what he is.

        They all make a living and gain notoriety and power by keeping the race card in play.

  • Viktor Leben

    Hitler did the same thing. Herr Hitler sent young people from the cities to help the farmers. They cleared alot of land ! They helped the farmers ! The young people got physically fit ! Later on those young people joined the German military … the rest is history !

    Great idea ! Just what we need …. Heil Obama !!!

    • TIME


      Thats 100% dead on they were called the RAD, but first there was the DJ, German Youth, then the HJ the Hitler Youth.
      Oddly enough when German Officers were questioned after WW II the only ones that they had any fear of were the Youth that had gone to NPEA schools, National Political Education Schools.
      Same gig differant uniform as old Charlies plan.

      Oh but what wait Stalin also did a like project called “Youth to Serve,” this special gang of unemployed youth had the power of life and death over all people in Russia.
      All they had to do was report that someone was NOT a good little Marxist, and BAM it was off to a camp for them.

      Then think back to the special times after Friday the 13th that King Philip the fair of France had brought about. Is it not strange the same name pop up way back then; the Rothschilds who were granted the Knights Templars banking system from King Philip and how strange is it that they are still in the banking biz, oh wait they own the WORLD BANKING SYSTEM, and our FED, who would have ever thought.
      These are also the same people who George Soros works for now you know the guy with Mover and all his other special units, that got Barry Soetoro elected too! WOW – do we ever learn or are we just doomed to spin in the same cycle for ever.

      I have to question if the human race is ever going to get smarter..

      When you have a lump of coal to sell as a golden egg, the best method of doing so is to make that lump of coal look really good to the completely ignorant members of the society, and you can have a PHd and still be as dumb as a box of rocks, as a matter of fact 90% are.

      Just tell these persons its special coal with Great Power and is far better than Gold and they will be “paid” for thier service and that will be very good as there are NO JOBS for them keep in mind that the number of young folks with out work in the USA now is well over 45%. In Germany in the 1930′s that number was just 51% how close are we now here in the USA – Oh the class of 2011 will put us right over that number.
      And notice that Barry Soetoro has not been able to show a stable government to anyone who owns a business, thus ZERO JOB growth,
      WOW how strange is that?

      So what better way to completely take down any country than have the YOUTH learn to HATE anyone who has something more then they have.

      Its the Great equalizer.

      Don’t you just love Barry Soetoro the media, Geroge Soros and his boss’s? Oh hell its just like old times sitting around the fire burning Witches.

      • TeresaE

        Time, your words tell of sad days in our human history. Yes, there are plenty more, but these all mark the beginnings of something that smells evil.

        Shame most Americans get their history lessons from the tv, or 30 second newspaper articles.

        Things just keep getting worse, laws keep crushing and no one is safe of this coming future.

        We could stop it if we collectively teach our children to THINK, quit asking the government to help/protect us and pull ourselves away from our 24/7 entertainment lifestyle.

        I can do what I can, but sadly, I know most won’t do a damn thing to stop it.

        Just like history has shown us.

        • poppaman

          Althogh of a milder political bent than most of the posters here, much of what is said does make sense. I too oppose “Mandatory National Service”: I’m old enough to remember the riots in Chicago and Washington, but young enough to have escaped the draft during the Vietnam era.

          Compulsory National Service is indeed slavery: what’s to stop the powers that be (whether McCain, Obama, Palin or ????? from issueing a “stop loss” order and extending the servitude indefinately? When my grandparents fled Czarist and later Boleshivik Russia at the turn of the last century, it’s exactly this type of compulsory service they were escaping (as described by both my late grandfathers). Look what happened to Russia (aka the USSR).

          While manuy of the beliefs stated in theis forum are a bit too far to the right for my liking, I do agree that the concept of and definition of Liberty and Freedom has been and continues to be eroded/changed/re-defined and not for the better. This is a process which did NOT start with Mr. Obama: it didn’t start with “Dubya” or Clinton either – this goes way way back to Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon days nad has not stopped despite “changes” in the leadership of the government.

          • Side Winder

            Thank you poppaman for your contribution.

            You are didn’t start with Obama or Dumbya…
            Its started long ago and does not play favorites to either of the 2 parties who serve 1 government. The parties are one in the same. They are Washington.

            We all know the Draft promotes a bad attitude within the military. I believe this to be a passing phase…I wouldn’t get too concerned about it. Obama is full of lofty ideas…but his trademark is, nothing takes root.

            He’s a Jimmy Carter.

      • Ted Crawford

        True Time,! We might also remember April 17, 1975! Soloth Sar, AKA: Pol Pot, took control of Cambodia with just such an army! The Khmar Rouge were an army of teenagers! They were given total control over all adults, who were either killed outright or sent to work camps and worked to death!
        In what I call an interesting aside, Why do all these left-wing despots feel the need to change their names?
        Soloth Sar, AKA: Pol Pot
        loseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili (Georgian), losif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Russian) AKA: Joseph Stalin
        Barry Soetoro, AKA Barrack Obama

      • Amy Emerson

        Your comment is one of the best I have ever read. Keep on!

      • Side Winder

        Hey Time..

        “Oh but what wait Stalin also did a like project called “Youth to Serve,” this special gang of unemployed youth had the power of life and death over all people in Russia.
        All they had to do was report that someone was NOT a good little Marxist, and BAM it was off to a camp for them.”

        This sounds a little like our own InfraGuard…here in the US, post Bush/911 era.

        A massive spy apparatus of “Concerned Citizens” who report local activities to the Federal government. Many involved are business leaders, who will report attitudes and opinions of employees to the Fed, all in the name of enhanced “Security.” Nothing like being afraid to speak your mind. And this creates a situation that is ripe for abuse.

        This spy apparatus is massive, and for the most part remains hidden from view, but I can assure you, its in place and working.

        It was fascism there in Germany, and its a form of Fascism here now, in the US.

        Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

      • JeffH

        TIME, I think a better idea would be, along with a volunteer army, to require that every civilian adult male aged 18-40 be issued M16A4 rifles with 30-round magazines and 1000 rounds of M109 ammo and would be required to spend 1 day a month learning how to safely operate and shoot it. To be used only in case of a national emergency or an attack on US soil. Toss in the M9 for good measure.
        There could be some special exemptions based on certain beliefs which would need to be pre-determined.

        • TIME

          Hi Jeff,

          I wouldn’t have an issue with that system, it could even be expaned. I do feel that everyone should know how to use a GUN, the better folks understand a gun and what they can do it would have a solid impact on all Crime.

          I also think that every American kid should be made to go to a country where the standard of living is based on a $900.00 per year earning cap. Why?
          So that the spolied rotten kids here in the USA can see just what it’s really like to live in conditions that you would never even allow a dog to live in.
          ** I strongly feel that this would stop all the class wars that have been going on here in the USA for years, created by “Politicians.”
          {See my last few statments noted **}

          I also feel that the criminals in Congress and the Senate should be exposed to the same treatment as anyone else in this country.
          That way thier behavior of thinking they are the ruling class would stop in a nano second. I added this as we are on a Charlie issue; if any of you did what he has done, you would be fined crazy amounts of money, as well spend many years in jail.

          From the countless post from many brain dead twinkies here that seem to glorify these criminals as Demi Gods through stupid stubborn ignorance of party affiliations they need to be exposed to the truths that the scum in DC is nothing less than the same scum found in prisons all over the world.
          And did I note that to use a name thats not you own, is a Federal crime, think Barry Soetoro.

          Afterall the population follows its leaders behavior, so if the leaders are that blantant in their criminal behavior what type of behavior can we really expect out of its citizens.
          Think about it folks? I mean really think about that and drop the BS pose of the we won BS. We have not won, we have lost!
          A criminal is a criminal no matter what label you give them.

          As well I strongly feel that before any kid gets their High School Diploma they should spend 100 hours picking up road side trash, so as to understand that being a pig is just that.

          They should also have to take a class in understanding money, banking, saving money, and buying power, and budgets.

          They should also be required to take business class’s so they can grasp that all business no matter what size have limits to what they can do.
          A class in Common sense should be taken as well, plus a class in proper behavior towards others and their property. “RESPECT.”

          All these class’s will be far better than the crap they teach, where History class’s now teach that World War II was won by the “United Nations.”
          Or that science is rock soild fact, when in fact 85% of all science is nothing less than opinions based on outlandish theories from EGG HEADS with frail egos.

          I also think that each kid should know all the words for the Pledge to the Flag of their nation. In plain words they should understand RESPECT, ** “with out RESPECT, there can never be TRUE FREEDOM.”

          **Understand your special Gifts that God gave you, as the next person may not have your Gifts, and so the thick headed grasp this a simple example.
          I can play 7 instruments, I have never had a single leason. I play by whats called a Natural ear and perfect pitch.
          Yet in math I suck, my wife is great at Math and yet she can’t play any instruments.
          I also have 20/8 vision I am 60 years old I have never worn glass’s, yet my wife can’t see with out glass’s and has been that way forever.

          These are the base reasons that Socialism fails, we are not all equal in all respects.

          We are only equal on the base that no matter what skin color or race, we are all HUMAN. Thats its folks plain and simple.

          We don’t need to spy on our neighbors, we need to help our neighbors when they need help and do it with a smile.

          We don’t need to draf our kids, as we don’t need to have wars to impose our will on others.

          We need to stand as a United force for GOOD in the world, or what we as a nation started out to be, that is before the Progressive’s and “World Bankers” got into our lifes by way of the POLITICIANS.

          Nothing of value is FREE, and Nothing is ever really FREE. There is always a Cost.

          • Al Sieber

            Time, damn good post. I see you’re the same age as me, I pretty much raised my kids like you said in your post.

          • JeffH

            TIME, thanks for a very good post. I’m 60 also and was most certainly raised without a silver spoon and learned early about respect and values and that I had to work hard to achieve the “material” items I needed and enjoyed. Raised outdoors, hunting, fishing and camping…respect the land and landowners and respect the natural resources, and most of all give respect to get respect.

        • Ida Red

          Switzerland’s method is every males servers in the military and upon the completion of service he keeps his issued rifle and is expected to keep it with ammo for the defense of their country. Also the crime rate is very low there as almost every home has a gun.

          • Lewis Munn

            The Swiss example for civil order is very good…but hard to find praise for it over here. And too, they have a pride for their country because they are trained that way and learn their history well.

            But I have noted that certain philosophies popular here with many leaders are just the opposite of what really works. We no longer teach our great History, we downgrade it. We no long build up our great leaders, we tear them down. We run after every strange religion and then pride ourselves in how much good we do not do! We put people onto the Supreme Count of the land who cannot seem to recall if they wrote a note or not, but think the handwriting might be familiar!! Does a person who does not know what they have said really belong on the highest court of our land?

        • Publius

          They do that in Switzerland. Check out the Swiss crime statistics…..

      • http://none Jonathan

        Subject; Fourth Branch of Government

        Most US Citizens know, that; The Federal Reserve Board, dictates the creation of United States Currency, and manages the US monetary policy.
        The Federal Reserve Board is operated by seven governors and a chairman; it is a private, non government enterprise. Reference The Treasures of Zion.
        The Federal Reserve Board is not a US Government function – it is not a duly Elected Government body of Seven Governors and a Chairman. Therefore, it is in the position of a private, unconstitutional Fourth Branch of Government. The US Constitution clearly states, that America has “Three Branches of Government – not Four!
        (The executive, the legislative and the Judicial)
        As/per the US constitution, only the Congress can create currency, and this authority can not’ be delegated. The Federal Reserve Board charges a fluctuating prime rate of interest for imaginary loans to the US Treasury, without investing a single solitary penny of their own.
        Under the sixteenth amendment of our constitution (which was passed by Congress on the 23rd of December 1913 while opposing congressmen were away for the Holidays – US Presidential candidates can now borrow money for their individual presidential Campaigns. Also; since 1913 US citizens must pay taxes on their income.

        It is my understanding, that – this is how it is done;
        When our Government runs out of money – The Congressional Budget Committee decides to ask the Federal Reserve Board, for a specified amount of money. ( there is no transaction of real money or anything of value)
        The Federal Reserve Board authorizes the funds by writing an “un cashable check” to the US Treasury. The US Mint, prints “Federal Reserve Note” dollars (Fiat paper Money) to cover the un cashable check. That is why US dollars say; “Federal Reserve note”. (not backed by Silver (or) Gold )
        Then the “Federal Reserve Board” collects the “Prime Rate of Interest” that we have to pay, (in income taxes) for the use of our own sovereign currency.
        That is why Americans have to work sixteen hour work days – Just to make ends meet.
        The US Mint should print “sovereign US dollars” that would not have to pay “The Prime Rate Interest”. Our own’ sovereign currency, “should not be authorized” and created by The non govt. Federal Reserve Board. It is unconstitutional.
        The Federal Reserve Board, “could be paid” for financial advice and management services only – they “should not” collect ”Prime Rate Interest” for the use of “our own” US sovereign currency.
        Prohibited by the US constitution – “Fiat paper money” is not backed by Silver and Gold Reserves.
        The Federal Reserve Board is managed by Seven governors and a chairman – Alan Greenspan now replaced by Mr. Bernanke. As per Judaism, they are (the Seven Governors the Seven Spirits, the (Seven Stars) the Angels of the Seven Churches, the Seven Stars in the constellation of “Orion.”
        Revelations chapter 1 verse 20 says; The Seven Stars (of Orion) are the Angels of the Seven churches. The FED has it’s own Inspector General – totally removed from our bonified Justice system. The Federal Reserve Board and the “Twelve” “Federal Reserve Banks” are “private” non goverment institutions.
        Totally “unconstitutional” – they function, as an illegal “Fourth Branch” of the United States Government. (As they say; What fools these mortals be) End
        Contribution by Jonathan

        • meteorlady

          JFK signed an Executive Order (I believe it’s 11110) which would have made it illegal for the government to borrow money from the Federal Reserve. That would have effectively put them out of business. Just 5 days later JFK was dead (not promoting conspiracy). When LBJ took over he never enforced that EO and to this day I believe it has remained because no one want to bring it to light in order to repeal it.

  • Michael C

    Can we get these clowns out before they do anymore damage. I’m retired AF and this is totally wrong.

    • http://drudge 2 sides

      Michael, retired AF and you think a draft would be bad? Why, I didn’t retire from the military but I learned a good portion of what I am today there. Personnally I think that is what is missing from todays youth. You have the school boards telling your children ” you do not have to tell your parents anything, just tell us and we’ll help you. Your parents cannot touch you just tell us and we’ll help you”. Michael not just kids but the adults of today take no responsibility for anything, for instance no-fault auto insurence. Granted some people do not need to be exposed to the military but most do. It gives you a much better perspective of what you really have in this country and what it is your defending. I disagree with all of you.

      • JC

        2 sides, the problems you pointed out have more to do with school board and other government policies. THAT is what needs to change.

        “Forcing” people into the military seems like a furtherance to government issued mandates, issued priveleges. It makes us inventory, not sovereigns. When do our “rights” kick in?

        • TeresaE

          What rights?

          We let those go years ago to protect us from drugs and prostitution.

          Morality fueled government growth. Utter failure, but hey, now the government can lie to you, deceive you, entice you to break the law, then arrest and jail you for it. For nothing more than human nature and thousands of years of culture.

          We traded rights for alleged safety. I tried warning people back in the early 80s about warrantless searches and entrapment and its eventual destruction of our freedoms. I was told, “if you’re not guilty, you have nothing to worry about.”

          BS then, and how’s it working out for us? According to the jails and prisons full of non-violent, bs offenders, not very well.

          • JC

            Exactly. You can not legislate morality…but you can control people with endless / senseless laws.

          • Ted Crawford

            One of our Founders put it very well, I think, Teresa “Those who would trade Freedom for security, deserve neither”!

          • marvin

            TeresaE a law is only good or bad if it is enforced take the federal immigration law, it gives states rights to help enforce it but only if the president wants it enforced as per arizona, now go rob a bank [federal bank law]city county state will all enforce that federal law, to me a criminal is a criminal reguardless be it speeding dui bank robber or illegal alien, the federal law sez a documented alien must have papers with them at all times but not in arizona acording to holder, most states have a road block law were they stop ever vehical and ask for proper papers ins card dri lic auto reg ,but arazona can not do thie it is profiling it may disrupt some poor undocumented and heaven forbid we piss off a hispanic it ok if your white or black but no mexicans like the illegal they interviewed on tv been here 9 year was afraid he would be deported,but after 9 years still speaking in spanish great american really wants to be an american,no one is above the law not reid not rangel not pelosie and not obama the laws are suppost to be for all not just us law abiding citizens,but what do i know most of my famly were here befor the white man

          • Side Winder

            You are right on Theresa.

            And for once…JC…I actually agree with you.

          • DaveH

            If you believe as I do, that Government has no business protecting people from themselves, Vote Libertarian:

      • Eagle

        2 Sides, I am retired Army, and what you said about the military being good for those who have not had discipline in their lives, may be true for some; but the military should not be used for correcting the attitudes of the irresponsible.

        I had to deal with many of those who you describe, and most of them were a detriment to the mission at hand, as there attitudes carried over into their job performance.

        The military men and women that I come in contact with today, are a far cry from the average soldier that I dealt with in South East Asia in the 70s; they are much more professional, and have a higher level of dedication, as well as respect for each other.

        I do not want to see a draft instituted that I know will make our Armed Forces less efficient than they are; but I recognize that the Marxist element in the US would love to see that happen.

  • Joe L.

    Ever known anyone who had to do “community service”? That’s involuntary servitude. And slavery is supposed to be abolished? Re: Hitler’s “Youth Program, we have it here today in its entirety. It’s called the C.A.R.E Program, a literal translation from the German, and it’s taught in schools all over the nation. The hypocrisy is as thick as week old gelatin. Let’s see, what’s that statement about repeating history…

    • pennsyltuckian

      Community service is for criminals to avoid going to jail. Are you really that stupid as to equate treatment of criminals to the average American. You must be a dimwit dumbocrat to make that comparison. Mandatory service is slavery pure and simple. Just because Obumbler’s idol der Fuhrer did it doesn’t make it right. Shall we call them the Obumbler Youth?

      • JC

        Wow, did you ever read Joe wrong.

      • meteorlady

        I don’t think you quite got what Joe said…..

  • Ken
  • Steve

    Personnally I would like to see everyone serve two years in the military before you earn the right to vote. Too many stupid people are allowed to vote. That’s how you get some idiot running the country.

    • DaveH

      So you think the military makes people smarter? More like makes them dependent and more dangerous.

      • Don Tremaine

        I served in the Navy during Vietnam. The treatment I received was what I deserved. With out this time I spent in the military I’m not sure I could have become the person I am today. The military, at least in the earlier years, taught self discipline, honor, self worth, how to endure hard times, and helps build a stronger character. I meet people all the time that need these thing but never got them from school, parents, life, or the workplace. As much as I hated the life, the lessons learned were invaluable. I believe that joining the Navy was the best mistake I ever made and I would recommend everyone to make that same mistake.

        • Pathfinder

          Well said Don!!

        • Allan

          I agree Don. It wasn’t until ten years later that I realized the value of the military. It taught me how to adapt to adverse conditions, to complete things I’d rather not do, and cooperate with people I wouldn’t have chosen as mentors or friends — in other words, to find out things I was capable of. I really appreciated my privileges and opportunities as an American when I got out. I feel a lot of liberals we hear from are people who never had to adapt, and who have developed a continuous sense of entitlement. During my service I was in some countries with mandatory military service. Soldiers did humanitarian and public projects, and here in the U.S. would receive a large college stiped. Is it more a form of slavery than high school is? Maybe it could be an option instead of grades 11 and 12. More than a few kids are unmotivated and simply biding their time during those years. Many cultures have initiation processes that help their young mature and involve service to society. I’m sure some would call it slavery regardless. Maybe we’ve been conditioned by liberals to think that doing anything we don’t want to is slavery.

          • DaveH

            It is, if somebody else is forcing us to do it against our will.

          • DaveH

            From the :
            Slavery; the condition of an individual who works for another individual against his or her will as a result of force, coercion, or imprisonment, regardless of whether the individual is paid for the labor.

      • Recently Retired Veteran

        The military cannot make you smarter, that is your choice. Military service offers endless higher education opportunities, if you choose to take advantage of it. It offers leadership training, if you choose it. It offers professional advancement, if you choose. It offers the opportunity to share a common experience with some of the finest individuals our country can produce. If you choose to serve, it will give you invaluable experience. And, in the end, you serve in defense of everyone’s freedom to choose. I’m fairly certain of the choice you made. Your welcome…

      • DaveH

        I realized after reading my comment that it looks like I’m dissing soldiers. I’m not. It’s just been my experience that many of the people who join the services get used to being told what to do, and have a hard time in civilian life where they have to make their own decisions.

    • JC

      Here’s some Military wisdom for ya!

      “I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.”

      “Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear – kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor – with the cry of grave national emergency. ”

      “It is part of the general pattern of misguided policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which was bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear.”

      ~ Douglas MacArthur

      “My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military.”

      “There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights.”

      “War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.”

      “I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else.”

      ~ Gen. Smedley Butler USMC

      “A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned – this is the sum of good government.”
      ~ Thomas Jefferson

      • eddie47d

        JC; “our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear” D.A. That fits Bush/Cheney to a tee.

        • JC

          Take off the blinders eddie…it fits EVERYBODY.

        • TeresaE

          Reagan had us afraid of drugs and alcohol and grandly increased the size of the government.

          Clinton it was gangs and early terrorists, grandly increased the size again, while increasing Reagan’s buildup.

          Bush used terrorism to go after a guy that shamed his daddy, and he managed to nearly double the size of the government if you include the MILLIONS employed as contractors in thousands of different government roles.

          Obama is using “fairness” and “change” and keeps us in perpetual finger pointing while ONCE AGAIN increasing the government and their role into our lives and choices.

          Save the children, whales, baby seals, wolves, forests, blah, blah, blah has created a massive government industry of catch, punish and suck money from us.

          Wake up. It is US (non-government) vs THEM (ALL government reliant/paid minions).

          Finger pointing serves to accomplish NOTHING, except darkening the blinders in your own “red v blue” diatribe.

          • JC

            Amen THAT!

          • Side Winder

            I really like what you are saying on this page….seems some people actually do get it.

            And JC keeps making a whole lot of sense all of a sudden too.

          • Al Sieber

            TeresaE, good one, keep them coming.

          • DaveH

            Actually, Teresa, the “War on Drugs” was started under Richard Nixon.

        • marvin

          eddie47d the federal goverment lets millions walk across are southern border and will do nothing to stop it, as per trying to stop arizona from enforcing there laws ,an uneducated mexican,will make a good uneducated liberal dembocrat,wonder are all the nice hard working famly loving illegals just comeing here for work and for you to pay for them to have kid, or could it be that some are not what obama and reid and pelosie and you liberal bleeding hearts try make us dumb uneducated american think

          • meteorlady

            Don’t also forget that they will make up a large low cost labor pool for corporations which drives our wage scale down and we will end up working for lower and lower wages until we have reached the level of Mexico and other third world countries.

        • meteorlady

          Edie – they are gone – they were no worse or better than most other presidents/vice president. Take off the rose colored glass and do some research.

    • Harold Olsen

      Military service should be a requirement for anyone running for president. I don’t like the idea of being in the military and serving under some idiot who has no idea what it’s like to serve.

      • Amy Emerson

        I agree that any president should have to serve their country in order for them to be “commander in cheif” of said military.

    • john

      I read a science fiction story along the lines of mandatory service for two years. This service did not have to be in the military, it could be in any one of many community service type programs.
      If you did not do the two year service you could not vote. Because you were not a full citizen. With the service you were.

    • http://msn Joe Melton

      No one should be able to hold a job as Seantor, Congressperson Vice President, President, and his staff who has never serve our country in the Military. Also think this shpold apply to our state goverment also. If you don’t love Americab enough to serve it in the Military what make us think you love it enough to serve it in public office. All should have two years of Military servie as soon as they get out of high school. If you don’t serve you don’t vote. This is not salvery this is training.

      • Lewis Munn

        I served in Teaching our youth in a technical school. I did my job too well, and was fired by the Union because the kids were getting too good an education.

        Dunno about teaching, but I see the Unions have kinda taken over and are still tending to lop off the best so the poor workers do not look so bad.

        So what does our Government want to to? Put in Unions everywhere, to keep our country under control and lop off the best so the sluggards don’t look so bad.

        If you keep knocking off the good workers, and learners, pretty soon you have naught bet a fetid slough of slowing declining mediocrity.

        And we are pushing to make Union Bosses the Rulers of our country??

  • Larry Hanneken

    There is nothing wrong with a military draft. I am a Korean War Veteran and I was drafted in 1952 I served in the ARMY in KOREA for 16 months.It is wrong to put our troops in harms way for up to 5 tours in those hell holes where we are fighting. The rules of engagement are very different than they were in KOREA. If we took fire from a building we would flatten the building. Both of these countrys are not worth fighting for and losing our boys for. When we leave it will go back to what it was. I say get out and bomb it back into the stone age.

    • AttilaTheHun

      I have not served in the military. I’ve worked with military people through most of my three and a half decade career and have been greatly impressed with their thoughtfulness, courtesy, and devotion. I am extremely grateful for their contributions and sacrifices.

      I was in an engineering college in the early ’70s when the draft was still in place. As you can imagine, most of us students weren’t thrilled with the concept of being drafted. I had a very interesting demonstration in an economics class. At the time, $10K was a pretty reasonable starting salary for engineers.

      The professor asked how many students wanted to join the Army for $5K/year. A few were already in ROTC and were already essentially in the Army and put their hands up. The professor raised the amount to $10K and more hands went up. $15K, more hands. $20K, more hands. By the time he got to $25K almost everyone in the class had their hands up.

      The professor then commented that the Army could have all of the manpower it wanted *if it paid enough*. He said the draft was really about theft – the government is stealing the value of the draftee’s labor.

      If the projects that we’re talking about having young people do that require a draft are worthwhile doing, then the price should be paid by everyone, not just a group that’s just unfortunate enough to be at a certain age.

      By the way, women don’t have to register for the draft. If a man doesn’t register, then there are a bunch of sanctions. Time to fix that.

      • Allan

        Your professor wasn’t factoring in all the compensation. In addition to various discounted services military personnel get while serving, in exchange for three years of service they are eligible for four years of college tuition and fees plus a $1000/mo living expense stipend. That’s pretty decent compensation for three years of work at that age. The govt will also pay half of the difference between the most expensive state college tuition and a more expensive school of your choice.

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    • Harold Olsen

      Vietnam was different. By then the idiots on the left wanted a “humane” war. I was in the First Air Cavalry Division, the First of the Eighth. We were not allowed to fire our weapons unless we had permission. Even if we were under direct attack, if we fired our weapons without permission we could be court martialed and even charged with murder if we killed any of the enemy. From what I hear on the news our people in Iraq and Afghanistan have it worse than that.

    • meteorlady

      So we seem to be doing quite well with an all volunteer military. Why would we need a draft?

  • DaveH

    Is this the path to the “Civilian National Security Force” of which Obama spoke?

    • DaveH

      And these are the same people who wouldn’t have anything to do with requiring welfare recipients to work for their money. What a bunch of colossal hypocrites.

      • JC


      • eddie47d

        If there was a National Service then those folks would be the 1st to have to serve. (National Service for all no exceptions,if it was implemented).

        • DaveH

          There’s a big difference between requiring somebody to work if they want the money of others, and forcing them to work (money or not).

    • RivahMitch

      Exactly, the brainwashed National Socialist Youth of America, courtesy of Obummer and his fellow progressives. It’s the totalitarians dream. The reral idea behind this isn’t Military service to defend the country. It’s Civilian Corps service to expand and defend the government and brainwash everyone while they’re “serving”. When the “Community Organizations” (can you say “Acorn”) show up in your communities or at your front door to “meet your communities most pressing needs”, you’ll catch on.

    • Robert

      Arm yourselves. The revolt is coming.

      • Another Donald

        I believe robert is right. I’m watching desent grow in the local saloons and halls. Where most civil unrest starts. It takes two to get three then four to open their eyes. Take off your blinders people right after you pull your pants up.Look whats happening 545 Rule 300,000,000 americans. We out number them. Let them here our cry’s. Freedom Liberty.I’d still rather have a veteran in a foxhole with me.

        • Amy Emerson

          I’m with you on this one! We DO outnumber the scumsukers that took over our country. If a bunch of us marched on Washington to rebel do you think that they could kill all of us?

          • Side Winder

            The problem Robert…is your bolt action single shot rifle….or even your semi auto isn’t gonna cut it.
            You face weapons you cannot even fathom. I’m not even talking about electro fire Gatlin guns…you face weapons of propaganda.
            You move against the government…you will be branded the next Bin Laden.

            Its ineffective foolishness.

            Its actually not a conspiracy. Its that things just changed in response to economic problems 70-80 years ago, and were never explained to the public.

            Change it back. Use the economy as a means of change.

      • Al Sieber

        Robert, some people say we can’t win against the Govt. but how come we can’t win in Afganistan? with all the technology we have we can’t beat them, either could Russia. a armed revolt would be the the last desperate resort.

  • http://MSN John AZ

    Not a bad idea really! Our youth could learn life skills vs. sitting at home, playing video games and doing nothing with their lives. Let’s face it, unemployment is rampant for career persons and even worse for high school graduates. Why have them waste away doing nothing when they could be learning, building and improving their communities, states and the Country?

    If a national emergency DID come our way our nation would benefit from having a skilled and trained reserve force to meet any challenges that our nation may face.

    Strickly voluntary of course, with maybe some sort of college tuition waivers or some other incentives. How about “you work one year and you get one year of paid college”. Not a bad idea. This would help the less privileged kids who want to go to college, but have no money. Anyhow, something to explore for our the future of our country!

    • DaveH

      It would be the perfect path to indoctrination of our youth.
      Our country was established on the basis of Individual Liberty. Government is already grossly oversized. We need less Government interference in our lives, not more.
      If Government would butt out of the Marketplace, the job market would explode. There would be work for anybody who desired to work. Look to Hong Kong for proof of that:

      Obama and Gang know exactly what they are doing. They want nothing less than total control of our country. With that total Government control will go the economic malaise that strikes all Government-dominated countries. So, do we want to give up our freedom as well as our prosperity? I say “Hell No!”.

  • Fred – WWII Vet

    A two year stint in public service would be a good thing. Military is not the only option, however it does give one a perspective that is usually not acquired by other means. The purpose would be to have a trained reserve of people, readily available, to DEFEND OUR COUNTRY – not to be convenient aggressors. What is wrong with paying some “dues” to live in what once was the greatest country in the world. Hopefully we will get back to that position – but I don’t see it happening until we go through a real wringer and get rid of all of the criminals who are currently in office and at the head of such organizations as Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, CFTC, SEC, et. al.

    Steve is right – why not “earn” the right to vote? Anything you get “for free” is worth exactly what you pay for it.

    • DaveH

      The Criminals are in charge of the Federal Government. And you want to give them more troops?

      • DaveH

        It’s easy to see from several replys on this board how Hitler could achieve his goals. Well-meaning but misguided people fall right into line with despotic leaders.

        If Charlie Rangel’s pushing of this bill doesn’t wake people up to reality, we are doomed. It’s surprising that he has the time to push bills while being investigated for 13 ethics violations.

        • DaveH
        • TeresaE


          Well meaning, apathetic, not wanting to see evil when it knocks on their door and easily led by the nose.

          THIS is how Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, Castro, Chavez, et al, come to power.

          Apathy, indoctrination, domination, horror. Plays out over and over again.

        • Allan


          People are just speaking from military experience. I don’t see a difference between different kinds of troops. In general, liberal/progressives want to decrease the size and capability of our military. They fundamentally disrespect it, and the military perceives that despite liberal lip service. Would current politicians attempt to use the military to quash civil unrest? Possibly. But they’d have to overcome staunch patriotism to do so. I think it would be much more difficult to pit our military against fellow citizens than assumed. I trust our military a hundred times more than I do our politicians. I still think the solution we are looking for to the Marxist problem begins with term limits.

          • DaveH

            I hope and dream that you are right about the military, but they have typically been indoctrinated with the concept of “following orders”, so I have my doubts.
            And Term Limits would accomplish nothing. Imagine if the current crop of Democrats had term limits on them. They would have nothing to lose and would behave worse than they already are behaving.
            There is no substitute for educated voters, and that is what Obama fears most. Which is why he hates Foxnews and the Internet.

          • dan of arizona

            If our troops are abroad then there plan is to use the UN to keep us in line fat chance but they also no that. There is no way that our military would ever consider standing against there own people,they are our sons and daughters. Yes they do follow orders but when this usurper truly shows his face then the orders change there are presently about three million UN troops here now standing by to suppress our citizens when this starts they think they can control all of us to obey them.The way I see it they are only a small imcompetant army that couldnt organize a group of boy scouts they are only 1% aginst 300 million spread out to thin in numbers the kill ratio is against them a thousand to one they have no problem of taking our lives because we are in every nation doing the same thing to them just following orders.

    • Amy Emerson

      Earn the right to vote???? If you are born in this great nation than you are an American Citizen automatically. If you mess up and commit crimes, than you lose your privilidges. I still haven’t seen a Birth Certificate for our Commander in Chief and wonder why anyone running for that position shouldn’t be forced to serve the country they command????

  • EverAfterPatrick

    Don’t even need to consider Rangel’s attempt to reinstate the draft to look for slavery currently imposed upon the People by the feds. Stop Loss in the military now extends the enlistments of military members without their consent.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      Rangel is a puppet master,owned by those in power(all those above the laws of this nation,just think this crook in government,is pushing to genocide a new generation of possible american breeders,WHY? maybe to insure that the monkeys in power will get the edge by getting leagal citizens killed of all races,and replace them with non citizens (new slaves with no rights,the finale answer to the people that can hide their kids in colleges or in non fighting military postions in non dangerous jobs while either way,the nation loses and this two bit flea bag,that got elected pushes this draft stuff,and who will want to be put in harms way,for the way this communist agenda is being pushed,so it cant be called fighting for freedom,maybe its called being a person,with no freedom of choice,maybe rangel and everyone in government should be required to send their grandchildern and family members and themselfs to Iraq and AFGANISTAN,only when pigs have wings will that happen,i vote to send rangel and his family instead of one american to die for these left wing bolshevics in power.

  • John Stasny

    “Blacks and poor are doing the majority of fighting and dying.” Well maybe so. So to even things out we need to re-institute a draft. Hey nobody is pointing a gun or threat of prosecution to the people in our military. THEY ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS! Let’s all get that through our heads, especially Rangel’s.
    Maybe it’s time to stop obama his commie plans are already affecting our freedom. He and his fellow democrats have no regard for us, our freedom, our opinion. I would not miss a single commie liberal if God struck them all down this minute. Everything that comes from their mouths is pure idiocy.
    We need to get a handle on Afghanistan and either fight or get out. obama is micro managing that war just as LBJ did with Vietnam.
    Why can’t Americans read and learn from History and stop repeating the mistakes??? obama is carter on steroids or worse, Americans were warned about him during he campaign and NOBODY listened. Now all we do is bitch. Rangel’s bill is pure idiocy. obama may like it because he knows he doesn’t have the military behind him in his quest to be president for life and he needs somebody who will back him. Without the possibility of armed backing he would never last. November can’t come soon enough and hopefully after November we can start reversing the insanity that has racked our country for almost 2 years. Hopefully before the violence starts.
    Please my fellow Americans, please see what is in front of your eyes and don’t behave as you all did during the campaign, saying to yourselves that it is al rhetoric.

    • Truth Eludes Some

      Just a note to John S – good comments and we’re on the same page, but noting that the statement about blacks and the poor doing all the dying is patently inaccurate, even during Vietnam, which has always been portrayed as blacks and poor getting shafted. I AGREE that us working class and poor often fill the ranks, but it’s far more CLASS than color – 1964 to 1975, whites were 73% of the population, suffered 72% of all VN deaths, and 74% of total casualties. Blacks also suffered in proportion to their percent of the population; latinos and asians were greatly underrepresented in VN casualties. Today, service people – who I’ve trained much of the last decade – appear WAY smarter and perhsps better educated (not the same as smart any more), and, with a volunteer force, as represented across the class and race spectrum. Combining Desert Storm with Iraq/Afghanistan today, whites are the only group OVERrepresented in the casualties – watch ANY documentary, any film, any newsreel…like Katrina, it’s European-Americans doing most of the dirty work of combat and rescue. This is not a discussion of race, just statistics – but it is also easy to see why Obama is rightly concerned about not having the military on his side…most people of European descent tend to be conservative, and will not kowtow to a socialist, liberal, marxist, etc. They don’t care that he’s of mixed race; they hate Biden as much as Obama (aka Dope and Strange, not hope and change).
      Folks, it is time to prepare – emergency preparation (food, medicines, water) includes, also, personal protection tools: firearms, unarmed combat skills, ability and mindset to survive…please remember, Obama and company will lose this year and 2012 IF they do NOT legalize illegal immigrants, so they will be rolling the dice with a vengeance to exert their power and control over us in very short order, essentially to steal power regardless of election results. Without an ounce of emotion or cynicism, I say: PREPARE NOW, because one always prays for peace, but ALWAYS prepares for war. Forget political parties now – it’s traditional Americans against the encroaching worldwide socialist/marxist movement, as evidenced most profoundly in what is happening in South America. The American Century (when we ensured relative stability in the world) is OVER. PREPARE…now.

      • Eagle

        You are right on the money on this issue. I just read that Obummer has hired an individual to oversee elections in November, that has already been connected to election fraud in the past.

        Oh, you can bet that the progressives and the head Marxist have some shinannigans up their sleeve for the upcomming elections; and we need to be ready for it.

        I just hope that we can get rid of at least most of the subversive elements in our Government this election; it would be the peaceful way to go.

        I also have a strong feeling that if the progressives pull off a rigged election, that there could very well be an uprising of sorts, and although I could understand why, I know that it won’t be a pleasant thing to observe.

        Sometimes I feel that this Administration thinks that such an action would be a good reason to declare Martial Law, but that could prove to be Barry’s worst and final miscalculation.

      • Eagle

        You also mention what is happening in South America, and I think that you are referring to Hugo Chavez. I witnessed first hand what his buddy, Mel Zalaya, tried to pull in Honduras.

        Basically he went against the constitution, the congress and the Supreme Court, and wound up getting escorted to another country in his pajamas early one morning; and the rest is history.

        Perhaps we could take a lesson from Honduras !!

  • Ned

    The idea of having to earn the right to vote sounds too much like “Starship Troopers” where to earn citizenship you had to have served in the military… Although I believe a two year stint in the armed forces or some other service would actually be a good thing for most of today’s youth, the best “carrot” would be education assistance commensurate with time served, rather than the right to vote. Of course, this would probably finish bankrupting the country, with everyone on the government payroll…

    • DaveH

      We wouldn’t need the carrot if the Government would just butt out. Starvation is a great motivator to those who just don’t want to work.

      • Bud in San Antone

        Amen Brother

  • Jimmy

    When we went to the All Volunteer Force in the 70′s and eliminated the draft we left the era that said “every man was obligated to serve his country…we left the belief of duty, honor , and country first. We left the belief that one owes this country something for living in freedom. Many gave their lives over the years for this country.
    Anyway, this idea could help the Islams and Illegals develop something for this country.
    There is a price for freedom. People have forgotten that.

    • DaveH

      Let’s get this straight. We are NOT Free if people can force us to do things we don’t want to do!

      • GreyChief

        Does that include those people in the government who force us to pay taxes?

        • Amy Emerson

          I’ll say “Amen” to that!

        • DaveH

          Especially if it is money taken from us to give to other people who are providing us with no goods or services in return.

      • Another Donald

        You mean like taking almost half your pay check or maybe the army of IRS agents siezing everything you own?How about your farm for growing food the government doesn’t know about?

    • JC

      Like the Muslim Colonel who shot up Ft. Hood?

      • libertytrain

        He was a Major – not a colonel – probably would never had made colonel with his history.

    • JC

      Sorry Jimmy, I don’t mean to come off as arguing with you, but you’re operating on a false premise. What we owe America is the defense of our way of life. Not interventionist foreign wars fought by Americans forced to be there.

      • eddie47d

        JC,Good reply on our envolving ourselves on foreign soil. Would any President in the future be more inclined to go to war if we had a National Service?Is it worth taking a chance to find out? Maybe not! On the other side of the issue we have too many Americans who take and take and don’t give back. Too many citizens take money they didn’t earn or don’t deserve.That includes state welfare and corporate welfare. The Dems.protect those who are permanently entrenched on welfare and the Reps.cower over corporate welfare (criminality). Our sense of pride in working and being fair about it is sorely lacking. I see allot of lazy kids out there who could care less about what lies ahead. I also see mature adults who don’t have a clue.Would National Service stir them to act responsibally or are we as a nation too far gone?

  • Frank

    Military service gives you a job skill that can be applied to civilian employment (other the the combat arms). It also instill’s a sence of Pride and Honer. You also get the exposeure of other people’s point of view from different parts of the country. You Learn, grow and mecome a better person then the idiot who sits on a couch playing video games and does nothing but complain ahow NOT have any skills or a job. As far as I’m concerned, If you want any rights, then DEFEND them!

    • Truth Eludes Some

      This is a good debate, compulsory versus volunteer service, and there are some good views each way. Would have been no contest that a 2-year hitch would be good for ALL, except no one (for GOOD reason) trusts the gov’t anymore. One way to distill this argument is to differentiate between compulsory MILITARY service (traditional kind, with all the positive effects), and compulsory NATIONAL service, which has Obama’s vision of robotic adherence to his politics written all over it…we’ve all seen the brainwashed black kids strutting stupidly to the Obama rap. I recall Jim Jones and his coolaid in a South American jungle, killing all of his acolytes. The guy in the White House is fully that delusional, except his education under marxist authors and socialist manipulators (Rev. Wright, for instance) means he’s way slicker, and now has immeasurable power to corrupt due to a numbingly STUPID voting public giving it him. The Founding Fathers wrote about the absolute REQUIREMENT that the public be EDUCATED, so to make sound choices…unfortunately, the education of which they spoke was resembled NOTHING that is happening today in our schools, which have, in most instances, become training labs of socialist activism for the naive and ill-informed. Our kids are, intentionally, being denied a full view of American “exceptionalism”; even with the mistakes, abuses, and warts, NOTHING in human history comes close to the freedom to choose and prosper that exemplifies the American experience.
      A POSSIBLE OUTCOME: Not saying it’d be easy or peacful, but dividing the country into two autonomous regions (traditional American/democratic, socialist marxist progressive) would at least RECOGNIZE that the two sides are nearing a structural INability to co-exist under the same gov’t. Mutual military (if it was allowed to function as such) assistance, disaster assistance, economic trade, but nothing else. Yeah, that’s a long way off, but does anyone doubt that some type of separation is in order? States could start by creating economic trade pacts (as is happening around the world…some PARTS of countries are creating zones with PARTS of other countries, due to mutual language, or cultures, etc). Start with pacts, then discuss autonomy, then full independence if full states vote to do so. In other words, a form of “soft secession” that ultimately becomes permanent. Just a thought – I’m not a genie (in fact, I have no hair), but my older military, law enforcement, intel analyst eyes tell me change similar to this will come, eventually. Remember, Western Canada HATES the Quebec gov’t (Frenchies), and talk is rife on the Canadian internet about their own secession thoughts – Western Canada is much like American conservative regions, so we traditional types might end up with a country just as large and resource-rich, but configured differently. We must all recognize that times have, indeed, changed, and the slimy left, by controlling much of education, has had a truly corrosive effect on the intellectual acumen of many young people…hence the whacko environmentalists, self-absorbed feminists, black revolution-theology, illegal alien lobbies, etc. It is said not to waste time debating lefties, because their arguments are so weak that they just scream – so don’t waste time, and prepare, educate, get in shape, get armed, get INVOLVED, folks.

  • Mary Kotarski

    I agree with Larry Hanneken – bomb them back into the stone age. They aren’t that far from that anyway! Get it over with, get out, and bring our troops home. We need to fight the war on the Mexican/U. S. border. And believe me, it is a WAR! I totally support our troops, law enforcement personnel, etc. Get rid of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Period. We will never win any wars again with the current “rules of engagement”. It’s just not possible.

  • JC

    “Rangel, who opposes the excursions in Afghanistan and Iraq because he believes blacks and the poor are doing the majority of the fighting and dying, has long sought to institute a draft. In the past he has stated, in effect, that by instituting a draft Americans would be less likely to support wars.”

    That line of thinking is all by itself completely bent and twisted.
    First, what makes him think Americans are in support of these wars now?

    And how is mandatory conscription going to change the fact that people do not want war to begin with?

    A righteous war will not need conscription. Americans have always stepped to the plate to defend America. Ah! But there it is….we’re not defending America these days are we?. (unless you buy into the manufactured terrorist threat) We’re feeding our best and bravest to a corporate war designed to keep us in fear and enrich the corporate elite. I know that will get a lot of arguments but this isn’t about patriotism, it’s about justice, and we’re seeing very little of that coming from DC. We need to stop screwing around in the affairs of foreign governments and we might stopp earning the enmity of the planet.

    And an afterthough from someone infamous…

    “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
    ~ Hermann Goering

    Mandatory Conscription equates to the ultimate “tax”…your very life.

    • DaveH

      Excellent comment, JC. I’m proud of you.

    • Fatboy

      In response to all of the JC’s of this the greatest country in the world I make the following statement:

      I am an 81 year old God fearing American who voluntarily joined the US Army some 64 years ago and at 17 years of age I along with hundreds of other young men under the age of 19 were the first of what you would call Charlie Rangel’s slave troops, only they called it Universal Military Training {UMT’s} back then. They did not teach us any private sector job knowledge in the 6 months of specialized training, but they did teach us discipline and otherwise made men out of boys.

      I do not remember any blacks being in that group of UMT’s and there was no girls, but I am in support of some type of voluntary system that offers our young men and women of all ethnicity a private sector job skills training program along with military discipline. Most quality apprenticeship programs are for 4 years and I would think that 5 to 6 years of combined military training along with private sector job skills training would be the right mix wherein they could step out into civilian life to make a quality living for themselves and their future family. I would expect the military to work with private sector Companies to offer assistance in finding them a job. Every one that took advantage of this program would be offered $75,000 dollars toward a college scholarship or $50,000 dollars in cash; both being as non taxable income upon their Honorable Discharge from the armed services. The young men and women would be obligated for the next 6 years or so to serve in the national guard and to go back into the armed services if America went to war up through the age of 35 or so. I would make a similar offer to the illegal’s in this country with the following changes; they would be eligible for full citizenship with no strings attached and otherwise the same benefits as aforementioned if they served 8 years in their initial enlistment.

      The JC’s of our America do not see the many atrocities that have been committed against this God fearing country of ours over the past 40 plus years by the Islam extremist as a war, but I do. These actions were not criminal actions they are terrorist trying to intimidate us and in time their goal is to eradicate all Christians and Jews of the world and if we would let our fighting men and women fight this war in Afghanistan and any other conflict as a war by simply bombing the place out of existence from which enemy fire comes without fear of being criminalized. Otherwise I agree with some of what Mary Kotarski says when she says that we will never win any war again with the current “rules of engagement”, it isn’t possible. I won’t go so far as to say bomb the current enemy back into the stone age but that does have some merit. If we could fight this war as a war that we wanted to win we would get it over with, get out, and bring our troops home. We need to fight the current war on the Mexican/U. S. border as a war and believe me, it is a WAR! I agree with her on the following; I too totally support our troops and all of our law enforcement personnel, etc.

      • JC

        With all due respect Sir, I do see it. I see it very clearly.
        What I would like everyone to see are those cases where we ourselves antagonized those situations in direct conflict to our Constitution.
        I consider myself an American Patriotic to the Founding principles of our nation and not a life to be thrown away for an entry in someone’s corporate ledger. I will gladly risk my life to protect America…on American soil.
        Unless of course we get another Hitler…a declared opponent with a declared army in a declared war. That would change the situation wouldn’t it?

        • Al Sieber

          Good post JC, stand your ground.

        • DaveH

          Very well said, JC.
          I believe that our greatest threat comes from within our own country. It is unlikely that outsiders would dare to mess with the US.

        • dan of arizona

          I agree

  • M.L.

    “Blacks and poor are doing the majority of fighting and dying?” Guess again. I was a child during WW11, and like the Dems. accuse the tea party of, I saw a sea of white only dotted with people of color in every branch of the service and well as every war or conflict this country has ever indured. It’s not that I mind, it is just that thr white people have been also doing the heavy lifting in this country for the most part and I won’t allow it to be pushed aside any longer.

  • Poorgrandchildren

    Slavery is already prospering in our formerly great country. Forcing A to pay B’s bills forces A into slavery to B. On the other hand, voluntary charities create safety nets without also creating a slave class, a parasite class, and an arrogant and criminal political class.

  • Gene Wood

    Black trash will forever be slaves to the democratic party who have used them for political gain for decades. They’re simply too freaking ignorant to see that. BlaCK TRASH DESERVE WHAT THEY AX FER.

    • JC

      And white trash? We have that too, just in case you hadn’t noticed.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      This exactly what we need…
      Another dime store eugenicist with delusions of Godhood.
      Gene(pecker)Wood, the National Alliance ex-pat, who attempted to wrap his raggedy little behind in the Constitution.
      If I were black, I’d be a runaway slave, (this translates that I’d run away from this so called two party system just as fast as I could.) But before I started my sojourn, I’d make sure that I take out the trash.(White, that is).

      • JC

        And that makes you no better than Gene.

        • Dr. Mabuse

          I would re-make you. But thats just an exercise in futility.

          • JC

            What are you talking about?
            Are you on something?

          • marvin

            Dr. Mabuse i am an equal opportunity hater i hate stuped white people and stuped black people i hate people that have no respect for the rights of others and i hate uneducated know nothing name calling bigets that say stuped things inlighten your self skin color does not make you a better or worse human,only the person them self can do that

  • Bob L

    Hummm, Would Charlie think being required to bust up big rocks into little ones when he goes to prison as a form of slavery?
    Maybe since he is a senior citizen they will just let him sort rocks according to size instead of having to swing a hammer.

  • charles payne

    I served as a obliagted volunteer when the draft was in effect. Two years of three hots and a cot at minimum wage might do wonders for our spoiled brates.

  • dean

    looking for the real slave trade in america, go to Youtube and type in “Big business of being behind bars. It is an amazing exposure piece on what real slavery in this country has become.

    • DaveH
      • DaveH
        • Duende

          Boy.. what a cover up that youtube piece is. Of course they have their asses covered. I’d be disappointed if they didn’t. I’d just like to see the money being spent on wars collectively thrown into a world wide space program that will allow us to divert/destroy these threats. NOW that’s a war on terrorism I can get behind.. not this other B.S.

  • H Kirk Rainer

    I am familiar with a form of slavery that has existed for some time in America (1990s); yes, a legalized form of slavery….

    When a state-licensed marriage (with children) is dissolved through no-fault divorce, the children are often AWARDED to one spouse or parent (as with other property…); moreover, a PRICE is put on the head of each child (called child support).

    The federal model matches child support collections by each state; thus, the state can augment general revenue by collecting child support. The state (or federal agency) uses divorce (and child support) as a tax (revenue)– the children as PROPERTY…. The more ASSESSED (and collected), the more benefit to the state.

    Yes, I am familiar with a form of slavery…

    • Wanda Murline

      I am familiar with another form of slavery and it is called entitlements from the federal government. There are people in the US who have never worked a day in their lives…their entire life is subject to the whims of the government…ie food stamps, medicaid and SSI. They believe that the government and the tax payer owes them a living. When you are dependent upon the government to exist… then you are still on the Massa’s plantation, both blacks and whites…you are essentially a slave because should something happen to the Massa (government), you would have no one to support your existence… and that is slavery in the 21st century.

      • TeresaE

        I love you Wanda. You get it.

      • marvin

        Wanda Murline you should not talk about obama like that his dad was poor his mom was poor his famly was poor he has never worked never had a job been on the public tit all his life went to collage at tax payer expence never help any one but the black people if you can call it help now a multi millionair

        • Bud in San Antone

          Billy Jeff Clinton same story. Always lived in public housing until he left office, that’s when he bought his first home.

  • http://libertyalert Betsy P

    Where are we? iran? Who is presidant? Ahmadinejad? Civilian National Security Force = Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps

  • http://gmail i41

    Tes, My children have served in the milarty and 2 are in the milarty now, all tell of some of the spoiled brats that have signed up. They have never had to do any physical work, had to follow a command, with out mouthing off. It would do the worthless sorry brats that, play games and don’t have a marketable skill of even picking up garabage, would be able to follow a command. With all the mamby pamby feel good teaching in schools, this would be a welcome change, it would be a mandatory sign up if they drop out of school. Everyone get sent to a Marine training camp for the first 6 months. Next everyone who dropped out will get a GED before getting out of boot camp. The other branches can draw for their equal shares. Marines get first draw, since their DIs are the most caring and understanding and do need some bright officers. With in a few years USA would have a good smart work force.

    • dan of arizona

      With all of the laws that have been passed, to protect our young now shows that there is no common sense taught,the lack of work ethics that they have, the lack of true understanding of who we are and where we are going is because of progressive thinking.We all should have stopped it then but no one knew that being brought up during a time which only one member of the family was needed to work for support of the family back then.During that time we where taught common sense from our mothers but with the times of today both are needed to try to maintain the cost of living and the lack of family growing together,and the lack of unity of family values are just a thing of the past. this was there plan

  • FreedomFighter

    Mandatory goverment service – enslavement.
    Mandatory healthcare —— – enslavement.
    Absolute control of money – enslavement.
    Absolute control of business -enslavement.
    Absolute control of education -enslavement.
    Absolute control of media -enslavement.

    As I have said, enslavement to the state is what these Marxist/Progressive communist want, politics and Marxist utopian goverment enforced by the barrel of a gun.

    These people must be removed from power, by vote, by the US Militar or by the free peoples of the United States of America.

    Laus Deo

    • Bud in San Antone

      Or voted out by Mr. Colt,

  • Jim

    The idea of any minority being drafted or more serving in the military is completly false. As a Navy Recruiter, we had goals and it was always more causcian to any minority you want to name including women. I would have been drafted, but I volunteered to join the Navy first. In those days, you were looked on as a coward if you waited to be drafted. I think they need to reinstitue the draft in a way, but no deferments for the rich or those in college. We have a better military now, because the ones who are there, want to be there. Believe me, this is far better for the military. But why should only 1/3 of the population ever be the ones to defend this country. No easy answers to any of this. Get a few Congressmen or their sons in the military and things will change in this country. Whats the bet on that ever happening.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      Great post my man, succinct and directly on point.
      In answer to your last question, in Vegas this is whats known as a sucker bet. LOL !!!

    • JC

      The next time we actually need to “defend” our shores…there won’t be any need for a draft. All we have to do is get Washington out of the way and let Americans do what they do best…preserve liberty.

      • JeffH

        JC, amen to that.

  • bill mullins

    I like Heinlein’s idea (see “Starship Troopers” – the book not the movie) for national service. Heinlein posited a United States where merely being born here DIDN’T automatically make one a citizen. Being born here (or being granted residency here) only made one a resident. Oh, you got pretty much all the freedoms and civil rights. You just did not get to participate in governance. Residents didn’t vote, didn’t serve on juries, couldn’t be lawyers or judges or hold ANY public office – elective or appointive. IMS residents couldn’t be law enforcement officers, either, since that is part of governance.

    In Heinlein’s universe the way to become a citizen was to purchase your citizenship! With the most precious coin of all. (Here we bring in Rangel’s little scheme) You paid for your citizenship with TWO YEARS OF YOUR LIFE! No exceptions. And disabilities did not disqualify one for such service. If you had the wit to desire citizenship and were able to communicate that desire, accomodations would be made and a place found for you.

    One more thing. Citizenship has its priviledges. It also has its RESPONSIBILITIES. One of the most important is voting. Skip more than a couple of opportunities to vote (and medical conditions that precluded you being able to vote could get you a waiver so long as they were not permanent) and you lost your citizenship – since by your actions you had demonstrated your desire no longer to BE a citizen.

    Maybe after the republic is rebooted we ought to consider this.

    What do you think?

    • GreyChief

      Sounds like Heinlein has a good idea. I haven’t read any of his books, but I intend to do so.

      In my own experience, I first enlisted in the USMC during the days of the Cold War Draft. There was supposed to be “UNIVERSAL Military Training”, but there were too many exceptions. It was a common practice for guys in my age group to marry early to “beat the draft”, then wind up with children and a divorce within a few years. Oh well, ‘out of the frying-pan . . .’ .

      I went through boot camp with 13 graduate engineers. They had accepted deferments, and in return had obligated themselves to serve at a later date. Now they were in their 30′s and that day had come.
      Boot camp was a lot tougher on those ‘old men’ than it was on the rest of us, in our teens.

      I saw one of those engineer/maggots studying his Guidebook, and asked him why he even cared to do anything more than the minimum to get by. His active duty obligation ended with graduation from boot camp, and he would have merely been kept on an inactive reserve status until discharged in 6 or 8 years.

      It has been over half a century since then, but I still remember his answer:

      “I always try to do the best I can with whatever job is assigned to me. Right now, I’m a recruit. My job is to be the best recruit I can be. I’m going to do that job.”

      That’s the quality of people you get with a draft.

    • Bud in San Antone

      Robert Hienl

    • Bud in San Antone

      Robert Heinlein, a great sci-fi writer from my home town of Butler, Missouri.

  • crystal

    Presently, Rangel has too many problems to introduce anything and hopefully he won’t be a congressman too much longer (but one can only hope). Before he introduced this piece of legislation, he should have introduced legislation that would force females to sign up for “Selective Service.” The law as it stands states “If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service.”

    Since so many females feel they should receive equality with men, let them receive the whole package and not just pick and choose what they want.

  • Wanda Murline

    I lived in the days when the “draft” was the 60′s you didn’t have a choice. We were in an awful war in Viet Nam…a war we could not win because Lyndon Johnson (Democrat) was getting rich and stopped allowing us to bomb North Vietnam. Later the North Vietnamese stated that had we continued to bomb them, they would have surrendered. Anyways, there was what was called a “lottery” and that was birthdays…if your birthday came up, you were called to duty to fight in Viet Nam. It was terrible because the guys didn’t want to be there. Others like Clinton ran to Canada to avoid the draft. This didn’t work them and it sure as hell will not work now. Autrocities of all kinds happened during that war..and the main reason was because the soldiers were “forced” to participate in a war we were not allowed to win. Never Again.

    • eddie47d

      Clinton went to England on one deferment. Cheney got 5 deferments so who’s the biggest looser! Anyway most on this site could care less if anyone serves which puts a far greater burden on those who are now in the military. It’s like saying; Your doing a great job soldier and we’ll stand behind you all the way;but don’t look for reinforcements because I won’t serve.

  • Bruce Eden

    Why Is Nazi Collaborator Kapo George Soros, Obama’s Puppeteer, Still Alive?

    Written by Bruce Eden

    Why is Nazi Collaborator Kapo George Soros, Obama’s Puppeteer, Still Alive? Radio and Fox TV talk show host Glenn Beck says that a watchdog steered him to the collusion … between Barrack Obama, George Soros, Al Gore, Goldman Sachs, Franklin Raines (super crooked Fannie Mae head), CCX (Chicago Climate Exchange), and Generation Investment Management (GIM-London based co-founded by AL Gore).

    The “privately-owned” Chicago Climate Exchange (“CCX”) is heavily influenced by Obama cohorts Al Gore and Maurice Strong. For years now Strong and Gore have been cashing in on that lucrative cottage industry known as man-made global warming. Strong is on the board of directors of the Chicago Climate Exchange, which Wikipedia-describes as “the world’s first and North America’s only legally binding greenhouse gas emission registry reduction system for emission sources and offset projects in North America and Brazil.” Billionaire George Soros is heavily invested in Brazil’s state-run oil company, Petrobras, that is taking over the Gulf Oil rigs that Obama has put moratoriums against drilling. Soros has $900 Million invested in Petrobras. He also received $2 Billion of American taxpayers’ monies from the Obama Administration, in order to buy and build more Gulf oil rigs that are drilling even deeper than the current BP oil rig that caused the disaster.

    Soros is involved in the Chicago Climate Exchange (“CCX”), which if the Cap and Trade Bill is passed, will give the names in the cabal $10 TRILLION per year in profits–on the backs of American taxpayers. This constitutes a fraud, embezzlement and extortion by the Obama cabal.

    Soros has warrants out for his arrest in Italy, France, Belgium, Thailand and other countries for manipulating these countries’ economies and financial markets to the point of collapsing those countries’ economies. Soros is manipulating the American financial markets as well as manipulating Obama administration policy and agenda. Soros has come out and said that in order to have one-world government, we need to collapse the American economy. He is doing this right now by manipulating the derivative market and causing trillions to be shifted out of the American economy and into the World Bank and other clandestine banking organization, as well as lining his pockets with insane amounts of money.

    But, the worst thing about George Soros is that he is/was a Nazi sympathizer that killed many Jews (his own people). The proof is in the “pudding”. In a CBS 60 Minutes interview by Steve Kroft, on Dec. 20, 1998, terribly shocking admissions came out of Soros’s own mouth. Britain’s own Hungarian Jewish emigre’, Soros is known, by his own admission, to have had his character shaped, still today, by his experience during the Nazi occupation of his native land. Then, by his own admission, during those awful months, teenager Soros had been employed as a supposed gentile, in assisting the implementation the Nazi program of looting, and then exterminating, Soros’s own fellow Jews.

    What came out of Soros’s mouth in that interview was a set of cold-blooded admissions which should have shocked any reader of celebrated U.S. journalist Ben Hecht’s account given in a former best-seller documentary, Perfidy!, on the Eichmann case. When Soros was questioned by Kroft, as to how he reacted to this experience as a teen-age runner for the Eichmann apparatus, Soros displayed not only his total lack of conscience at the time, but insisted, still in 1998, on justifying, still today, what he had done for the Eichmann apparatus back then. That CBS interview elicited from Soros’s autobiographical accounts, presented an image of Soros’s mind which, still today, makes the blood run cold.

    CBS’s Kroft asked Soros:
    “And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.”

    Soros replied:
    “Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that’s when my character was made.”

    Soros had gone on in that broadcast, to reply to Kroft, that he felt no guilt whatsoever. In fact, according to the introduction to his father’s book, which Soros himself wrote, “these were the happiest days of his life.” Soros had added: “It is a sacreligious thing to say, but these ten months [of the Nazi occupation] were the happiest times of my life…. We led an adventurous life and we had fun together.”
    So, the question begs: Why is George Soros still alive? Why hasn’t the Simon Wiesenthal Center and/or Nazi-hunters arrested Soros, tried him and executed him? Soros was a Nazi collaborator; a Kapo.
    The Kapo’s task was to carry out the orders of the Nazi SS and to ensure absolute control over the prisoners in the work camps and concentration camps. Many of these Kapos tyrannized the Jewish prisoners with a cruelty equal to that of the SS, motivated both by the desire to curry favor among the SS as well as by sadistic inclinations. The term Kapo became synonymous with a cruel and egocentric person who oppresses, tortures, and exploits others. This definition fits George Soros to the tee. He is an egomaniac who oppresses and tortures others for his own benefit, profit and sadism.

    As a fitting reputation to Simon Wiesenthal’s book of memoirs, “The Murderers Among Us”, published in 1967, George Soros, made his billions at the expense of human beings and is therefore a “Murderer Among Us”.

    So, I ask the question again: Why is George Soros still alive?

    Bruce Eden

    • FreedomFighter

      Please forward to the CIA, obviously they dont read here.

      Laus Deo

    • BigIron

      Rather than Obama’s “puppet” I would say that Obama is the “puppet” and that SOROS is one of the “puppet masters” pulling the strings in DC. SOROS is one of the “money changers in the temple”; one of the players in the NWO group. (?I wonder what, if any, is the significance of the fact that his name is the same spelled forward or backward?)

      SOROS said that ‘the only way for one country to have prostperity is at the expense of some other country’!(wish I had the exact quote)

      This is very true if one has a “debt based” monetary system which is what we currently do have thanks to people like SOROS. It is also one of the major reasons for our decline and has been for over 200 years.

      It is NOT true if one has a “wealth based” monetary system (another alternative) which I believe our Founders (at least Jefferson and others) intended that we have. In a “wealth based” monetary system it is possible for one or more countries or peoples to have prosperity without affecting in any way any other country or people due to their prosperity.

      • JeffH

        Well said and well known…there is so much info to be found on Soros that exposes his anti-American and manipulative work. Pretty disgusting that he has bought and manipulated Dems and Republicans alike. I’d like to see Soros’ IOU box.

    • Amy Emerson

      I wish you would publish your comment in more places. It’s extremely educational. The description of Soros is a henious and frightening one.

  • B. G.

    The handing writing is upon the wall. Many judgments have already begun, and many more of much greater magnitude shall SOON follow. The reason is because OF THE ALMIGHTconsist of these three: 1. God the father (Jehovah), 2. God the Son (Jesus Christ), 3. God the Holy Ghost are not only almighty but also HOLY! . They do rule in the affairs of nations, and when this happens what they decide is supreme.

    • Amy Emerson

      G-D is in Control.
      He is the One who Governs
      He is the One who is Omnipotent.
      He WILL destroy our enemies.
      It is written.

      Until then, may all of us keep the faith!

  • Kat

    I think it is a great idea. We live in this country and we should support it as best we can. This is not slavery, but part of our duty as American citizens. Would I enjoy my time in the military? No, but I would do it because as a daughter of a retired military man and having lived overseas nearly my whole life, I would consider two years just a small price to pay to live here. Live in a few other countries and you would be grateful to be allowed to stay here.

  • Jud

    The Future Obama Hilter Youths will be trained to kill, Guess Who?
    Training criminals with no morals or conscience ..need I say more….

    Any Illegal Immigrant ages 18 to 35, male & female given amnesty should spend 2-3 years in military,
    learn english, learn about our Constitution, Rules of Law, at least 5 years before they are allowed to vote.
    And all gov. welfare, food stamps, public housing helps etc. etc. should stop when they become citizens.
    They can sink or swim just like the rest of us. NO Hand outs.

    • Amy Emerson

      You said it perfect.

  • Harold Olsen

    I only partially agree with Rangel on this, and I feel like I want to cut out my tongue for even saying that. I hate agreeing with anyone of his ilk on anything.

    I always thought it was a mistake to discontinue the draft. I wouldn’t mind seeing it reinstated but not like Rangel wants it.

    I enlisted into the army on my last day of high school in 1967. I went into the army that September. A year later I was in Vietnam. My older brother got drafted two months after I went in and ended up in Japan for eighteen month. I spent three years in the army, while my brother spent less than two years.

    Back then, you had a six year military obligation. Once you served your active duty you went into the active reserves until you fulfilled you military obligation. In Washington State, where I live, when my brother and I got out of the army, we did not have to enter the active reserves. Our state had more reservists than they need so we we in the inactive reserves, meaning, were were through serving in the military.

    Right now, with an all volunteer military, reservists are activated and sent overseas and don’t know when they are coming home or when they get to go back to there lives.

    Here’s the way I always felt the draft should work. In peacetime, you get drafted and serve a minimum of six month active. Then you spend the rest of your military obligation in the active reserves, going to your monthly meetings and your weekend service. In war time, you go in for two years and then go into the active reserves for the rest of your military obligation. You get your lives back.

  • John Despard

    Why not instead of having lifelong civil servants and politicians running our country we relegate their duties to everyone. Everyone could serve two years doing service for our country. Those choosing to delay their service to later in their lives could serve as judges, legislators and in the upper parts of the executive branch. Having people doing these jobs all their lives has lead to an aristocracy that has little in common with most of us. Whether we are talking about the lower class welfare mothers and children or the upper class corporate executives most people in this country depend on tax money. It is time all should give back to the country.

    • BigIron

      My preference to a DRAFT would be that in order to vote, hold public office or a position of public trust one would have to complete, between the ages of 18 and 45 years, one year of Basic Military service followed immediately by one year of Civil service within that same training group**. Ten years additional Military Reserve service would also be required with revocation of granted privileges for failure to complete the reserve requirements**. This would be required of both men and women with NO exceptions.
      **certain limited exceptions may reasonably need to apply.

      I also favor term limits of two non-consecutive terms for all publicly elected offices. I also reject paying for their retirement, healthcare and any other perks; just pay them enough so they can purchase their own for the time they are in office.

  • Gus

    What a smart way to shift the spotlight from Rangel’s Ethics trial to this controversial restoration of the draft. Excellent timing, but let’s first put Charlie Rangle in JAIL where he belongs.


  • http://charter howe

    There is lots of talk about the evils and merits of the draft VS the all volunteer military, but the truth of the matter is the individual is pressured to make a decision under a draft system. The military gives excellent training and benefits, and the chow halls and barracks are very competitive in terms of quality and servability. I was a ghetto rat who joined the military voluntarily at age 17 with my mothers permission and that was a God sent for me because I was close to becoming as bad as the gangs I hung around with. I learned many trades, I was paid well, I got lots of free educational benefits and the opportunities were huge. Oh yes, I also learned something that is becoming extinct in our great nation and that is Responsibilty, accountability, team work and religious and racial tolerance. I spent 29 years in the military and earned a decent retirement that has sustained my family for decades. There was a draft when I enlisted, but there was never a need to draft people who were not volunteers. This draft deal should be used only when America is faced with all out war and then there can be no argument about protecting the homeland. The benefits and the duty in the miltary is the great attraction, however the downside is the possibility of going into a hostile environment like Iraq or AfGanistan, or in my case it was Vietnam. I got lucky because the Cong were having a bad hair day. Life outside of the military is just as dangerous for many people, because of the nature of their activities which places them in a high risk category and you know what I mean. Charlie Rangel is without a doubt an unrepentant crook, but the draft he is pushing for would make sense as long as the President doesn’t get to use his emergency powers to recruit people to help him take over all functionality from the 50 states. The Congress should be the people who decide when draftees should be summoned even at the expense of lengthy debate, because the President is not only a radical but gives him dictatorial powers that bypasses the elected representatives of WE THE PEOPLE. No one man should be given that much power, because power does corrupt and we can ill afford to have an ideology uprising on either side of the isle.

    • BigIron

      HR-5741? DRAFT? See my comment further down the list. The DEVILS in the DETAILS and SATAN is in the house. HR-5741 is NOT a reinstatement of “YOUR FATHER’S DRAFT”. It’s a bill allowing OBOZO to create that private army he’s been wanting and to do it on the taxpayer’s “dime”!

  • Brian

    My whole family thinks every 18 year old living in the U.S. should have to serve in military. It’s not slavery its education. Just like school. We have to wear seatbelts in cars, helmets on bikes, for protection, think of the education and the safty of knowing how to care for yourself, loved ones, on if need be country. Maybe just maybe our crime might go down if all know how to defend themselves. (pipe dream I know but still ) Besides it would help eith many of our health problems like obesity. I know it has it draw backs but think when our nation was youmg everyone was the military. Thank you for your time.

    • Eagle

      One thing that must be addressed when you consider drafting everyone into some form of Government service is what the cost will be.

      We have less than one percent of our Countries population currently in the Armed Forces, how can we possibly afford to increase that percentage considerably, when we evidently are having a problem financing what we have now.

      The wise alternative would be to forget about the draft, and consolidate the Branches into one “Department of Defence” in order to eliminate the redundancy that we have now, and make the DOD more eficient.

      Another wise thing to do would be to downsise Government as well.

  • Doug

    This story connecting a draft to slavery is a bit much. I was drafted in 1971 into the Army. I got out and went back to college. If there is a draft there should be lottery as in the past. Not forcing everyone going into service. The Military is forbidden to act within our country. The Youth corp stuff is of Hilter and Stalin, a way for the federal government to control the masses. But there is nothing wrong with a military draft in a national emergency of declared war. Note: I said declared war, not all these undeclared wars going on.

    • BigIron

      See my comment further down the list. The DEVILS in the DETAILS and SATAN is in the house. HR-5741 is NOT a reinstatement of “your FATHER’S DRAFT. It’s a bill allowing OBOZO to create that private army he’s been wanting and to do it on the taxpayer’s “dime”!


    Robert, slavery has never ended since the begining of mankind, we just allow legislators to B.S. us into believing they are our “BUDDIES” and throw atta boys @ US and give us fancy titles so we suckup the swill they pour down our throats…

    Over 600,000 died in the Civil War conflict which resulted in all of us being fitted out with heavy duty horse collars so we could “TOTE THE LOAD” better to enable our BOGUS representatives to LORD over us instead of being our guardians of our Pseudo civil “RITES”(sp).

    By “RITES”, my jist is so they can Bury us when we FAG out under the attrocious burden we carry to allow them all the comforts royalty portray….

    We now can understand why our presidente BOWS to other nations Royalty
    because and due to the fact we are now a PAUPER NATION of Scroundrels and MISSFITS led by a Gang of FELONIUS GANGSTERS….

    Profiling and EXspunging are common terms when hiding or twisting the thought waves of their Loyal Followers into voting group similar to Robots in a TRANCE….

    They have now EXPUNGED worthless paper or INFO which may or may not be folonius and punishable and incaration bound when convicted..

    When it comes I.D. ing any one or group, The Term “African American” is the most odious form of Profiling ever invented….It proves out that whence a title is bestowed upon a subject, the will act on command like trained SEALS never balking or disputing commands…

    My father was convicted by false testimony in 1921 for breaking glass at Gulets Green Houses in Lincoln, Illinois and was sentenced to 1-10 years in that Hell Hole State Prison in Illinois. $2,500.00 was required to buy out the Judge, Proscecuting Attorney and Warden…for a crime he never committed as stated in deposition in 1973 by a neighbor witness at the complex…at time of alleged incident.

    Attempts to get those court records EXPUNGED has been futile…and severly damaging to family as his brother committed suicide as a result…My Dad took his own life at 47 years when I was in the army at Camp Gordon, 1952 when I borrowed $80.00 to attend funeral from red cross and drew only 3 dollars a month for over a year and wasn’t corrected till a finance officer checking my pay records found them to be irregular.

    To add insult to injury, I had Captain Maclaughlin, my CO place this money in company safe at 7718 UAREUR Signal School,Hq&Hq company safe in Ansbach, Germany.. Several months later I requested my money and I found he had purloined my hard earned funds, where upon he stated, “what Funds”????That was a real let down in 1950′s dollars when Joy Perfume was selling for $15.00 per OZ….at the PX..

    If one wants a bed of roses, one must put up with the thorns..

    Any comments always welcomed…CUZIN ERN

  • Jason White

    When I moved to Israel, I volunteered to be drafted early. I did my national service, then signed on for another year. I did reserve duty in a combat unit till the age of fifty.
    All members of society should serve and be ready to defend their country. The west is facing very difficult times in the future.There should be an army that is prepared to defend the country as well as help in natural disasters. That is not slavery, but it is the price of liberty.And liberty is not cheap.Either everyone serves or no one should.

  • Jonathan

    A conscript is a lot less likely to perform his best than a voluntary
    soldier. A servant fighting to defend a master may not make his best
    effort, but a man fighting to preserve his freedom, family, country, and
    fellow man will perform much better.
    One voluntary soldier is worth more than ten conscripts.

  • B. G.

    Why can’t we see these things as judgments of God? Why will we not wake up! God is NOT DEAD, and HE IS NO FOOL! We hate him AND he knows it! Let’s face it; most people in America hate God! How do we know this? We know this because they hate his laws, they hate his judgments, and they hate his precepts. These demonstrate His character, his essence. To hate these is to hate him, WHICH MOST DO! By the way, today God is not hated just a little, He is hated MUCH! God is hated desperately. Don’t believe it? Just speak about his character as is demonstrated by his laws, judgments and precepts. Just do that thing. Everyone who does this learns quickly that the people of this generation hate God desperately, and especially here in the USA. So the people of this day are going to pay. Our REBELLION, our SELFISH WILL SHALL SOON BE BROKEN! HIS WILL SHALL PREVAIL. Since we will not obey the “GOOD GOD” of our fathers, Jesus the Christ, the only Son of the true and the living God, therefore, we, our sons, and our daughter shall learn how to obey a “BAD GOD”! The dictates of the global regime now brewing such as Obama now represents will tolerate no disobedience whatsoever.

  • Duende

    Rangel is totally opposed to the war AND to the draft. He’s pushing this bill to put it in front of lazy americans who are fine with getting our young men and women shipped off to make oilmen, bankers and other elites wealthy (if this is an alien concept to you please read Smedley Butler.. War is a Racket. his guys a legend of the Marine Corps and a true patriot.

    Rangel is hoping that if americans are faced with having their kids taken forcefully there will be the kind of opposition that ended the Vietnam fiasco.

    Regretfully Rangel is the wrong messenger at this place in time for a bill that hopes to work a reverse psychology on the public.

    • Thomas G Kroger

      Yeah, sure, Rangel is a man of principle who is opposed to the war and to the draft…and hopes to end both by this in-your-face piece of proposed legislation. The fact of the matter is that he (Rangel) is a totalitarian scumbag that has been on the wrong side of every major issue. He looks just like what he is – namely a pimp.

      • Duende

        Hey.. Rangel isn’t a man of ethics for sure but I can’t compare avoiding taxes and parking a car illegally to knowingly attacking a country and killing innocent civilians like Obama and Bush (and many others) are/have doing/done.

  • http://aol William Bryant

    I was drafted in 1966 along with everyone else 18 years old. The area I grew up in and the people who lived there, including my dad, made
    it real understood if you avoided the draft, leave and dont come back. Have you noticed the willingness and ability to work left our young folks about the same time the draft stopped. And during the draft years you dident see kids living at home into there 20s and 30s. I wonder could the draft actualy have been good for kids.

    • BigIron

      See my comment further down the list. The DEVILS in the DETAILS and SATAN is in the house. HR-5741 is NOT a reinstatement of “your FATHER’S DRAFT. It’s a bill allowing OBOZO to create that private army he’s been wanting and to do it on the taxpayer’s “dime”!

  • Buddy

    Wow What a mix of commenteers! Going from “War Mongers” to “Peace at any price” people. Is it any wonder why public policy is such a monstrosity!?

    And we know that slavery isn’t good, unless done by the government collectivist. Unless it’s done by US!

  • eddie47d

    Not very many are volunteering for military duty (maybe a few unemployed).It won’t be long before no one shows up;then what would Chip Woods do? Comparing service to America in the same breath as slavery is absurb.Corporations (cotton farmers) brought slavery to this country. Maybe our founding fathers turned a blind eye to this but many did not like it. National service would be a good way to serve America but also a very expensive government program. So it’s hard to be passionate for or against a plan that could end up doing just as much harm as good.

    • JC

      eddie47d says:
      July 30, 2010 at 1:34 pm
      Not very many are volunteering for military duty

      Maybe they’re figuring out that these wars are corporate wars?
      Maybe they aren’t interested in dying for accounting entries?
      Just a thought…

      • JeffH

        JC, it was just a matter of time before…foot in mouth…happened.

    • American Citizen

      It wouldn’t cost any more and maybe less than our present military costs us. After serving their stint, they should be able to choose whether to stay or leave the service.

  • David J. Sanchez

    What can anyone say but here goes another hypocrite progressive-democrat sleezy Congressman spouting off more drivel to the American people. We need to maintain the strongest military in the world and use them strictly to protect all legal Americans from foreign harm and not fight wars at the whim of those who profit on warmongering. That’s why I always say that we learned nothing from all the wars or police-actions we have been involved in since W.W.2. Dave S.

  • Nancy

    It seems to me that Obama, etal is doing all in their power to put all the working class back on the plantation; the elite master and we the slaves.

  • Flying Eagle

    The american people should continue listening to Glenn Beck, he is a brave man who is unmasking the false patriots. AMERICA WATCH OUT!!!! Barak Obama is a commie, he won’t disclose it now, not now, it is not time for him to do that, but he will do it in due time, you bet he will. It happened in Cuba and Venezuela, none of those guys did it at the beginning, they just waited and when they had the right card on hand,it is, their armed forces, militia, their police and secret service on their side they flately told the people I AM COMMUNIST AND THIS IS A COMMUNIST COUNTRY, just like that, they are very smooth operators.AMERICA WAKE UP!!! Those around Obama, following his instructions, are either commies simpathyzers, fellow travelers or true commies. Charles Rangel is one of Fidel Castro’s cuba most ardent defender and supporter, same as Christopher Dodd, Jeff Flake, some of the members of the Black Caucus, the NAACP, in other words the enemy is within.

    Thanks God Charles Rangel is out of commission, when in Cuba he spoke against this country, its laws and indicated the US should be a second Cuba and what this country needed is ruler like Fidel Castro. But he did not speak about Castro’s crimes against his own people. Yes, Charles Rangel wanted to reinstitute slavery in America, but not black slaves, just white slaves, it is his goal, their goal.

    Flying Eagle

    • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

      Glin Beck Is A Well informed Indavidule Like Many of Us He Has Never Sean With His Own Eyes What Sometimes By Accedent Others Have Stumbled across whin i was in Calif a Few Years Back i ran across a fence near Watsonville Cal with signes warning Civillions to Keep away from the Airea Funny theFence Was Bult as to Keep Someone From Getting Out no as to keep people from Getting in Same type of Compounds in Ky As well as tenn Indeana those are only the ones i Personaly Sean.Gess what there Hasbeen others who Has both sean some of these Places and was Lucky to had a camera with them.

  • Keith

    “RANGEL To Face Trial for ETHICS VIOLATIONS” see right hand column, “Featured News”
    Who is this Fool ??

    Do you know ??? IF YOU VOTE ! You are part of an AMERICAN MINORITY

    I pray that You The People of this Republic, HELP me change MY MINORITY status.

    God Bless or Volunteer Military,Veterans,POWS&MIA

    (and NO, Idid not vote for obama)

  • Marilyn

    Hmm. Still another reason for the present administration to change Amendment II. Without guns, we cannot resist. Think about it.

    The first to be taken into the supposed draft should be our Judical, Executive and Legislative Branches. Geez Crimeny, don’t these idiots have children and other family members with some backbone to tell them to stick it. Or would family members of the fed administration be exempt from such a draft? You know what I’m talking about. The plantation owners and their families never picked cotton or tobacco or removed tar and turp from pine trees. My forefathers were Palatines. They were slaves in New York… I think our forefathers (black and white and other races) have done their and our time as slaves. NO MORE!

  • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

    I to am a Viet nam vet i was Drafted but during Basic training i Extended my time for another yeari served a totle of 3 yrs 2 monthe and 9 Days i got out of the U S Army in 1983 I joined the U S Army National Guard then in Resigned in 1990 7 years later After seing the Death of John F Kinnedy Assanated then Robert Kinnedy Assanated and Edwerd Kennedys Chances of Becomming U S Presedent Crumble i Started Reshing And have been Following the Democratic Coruption of this Country As Far Back as Woodroe Wilson and Theador Rosevelt John Kennedy Gave a Speech Warning America abought the powers of the Secrate Socities and ieleate Clubs Such as the Free Masons the Iluminities the Bulderbergers The Cross And Bones and Maney others and there Dangers Befot the Death of Robert Kinnedy He Wrote a Book Named To Seek A Newer World. near the End of the Book He Stated hit Plan to Write another Book to Exspose the Ileate Secrate Sociteys His Brother Spoke abought as well as to Exspose the Names of Many Corupt Government Indavidules in the American Government So Now you Know why the Kinnedys Were Assanated .then The Book Written By A Member of Bill Clintons Masonic Group the name of the Book was Named Clinton and His Men the Clinton Years As Govener and some Covering Bill Clintons Drug Running Days By the Way Good ole Hillery Was Involved as well.Do Some Research of your Own DEmecrates Main Agenda is to Inslave the Intire World For the Purpus of there Controling of the One World Order also Known as the One World Government.Totle Controol Of All Human Life.and the American People Are Falling For the Scam jUST LIKE THE gERMAN pEOPLE fELL fOR HITLERS POWER Grab of THE lATE 20,S AND THE 30,S He Like Obama Has Manipulated Millions to Fall For His Lying Tactacts He to will Get Rid of many of his own Cabnit Members as he has been doing all along Just look at the CharleyRangel Case Look at Joe Biden He Is Kept in the Background as much as possable Since He Sticks his Foot in His Mouth to Often Just Like Billy Carter Jimmy Carters Brother Pissing against the Airport Wall .You people also need to Read a Book Named THE FINAL MOVE BEYOND IRAQ By Mike Evans you will larn a lot abought your Progressave sosolist Hitler Style Regine Mentered By People Like Henery Kissinger and Others Guiding Obama through the Steps to Control the Intire World through the Bulderberg and other Elite Socities start with typing in on your Computer The Free THEN type in then type in the
    Wakeup America Wake the Hell UP Befor its to Dam Late

    • Eagle

      Robert, you have obviously been doing some reading on the relevent issues of our time of Marxist influence, and its true, more of us need to wake up to what is really going on, instead of being distracted by some of the rediculous entertainment that we have today.

      I would, however, respectfully suggest that you check your posts for reasonably proper spelling, grammer, and punctuation before submiting you posts.

      You obviously have something to say that should be made known, and I get your point, but some may have difficulty in getting your message Lad!

    • Bud in San Antone

      That piece of s–t Clinton was not and is not a member of The Masonic Order.

      • Bud in San Antone

        I forgot, I’m surprised Robert Williams can reed.

      • JeffH

        He was a member of the Masonic youth organization, the Order of DeMolay…doesn’t that count?

  • Ellen

    This retoric coming from a man that is so deep in illegal and immoral issues. The American people always respond to a national emergency, (i.e., 9/11, Katrina, border safety, fires and earthquakes), we always help each other and would do so if it became necessary as partiots to step up to the plate and fight for our freedom and country. Mr Rangel should resign his position in Congress and take his hateful actions with him. These people in Congress are becoming a national emergency to us already.

  • BigIron

    People, The DEVIL is in the details and SATAN is in the (White) house.

    This is not a re-enactment of “your father’s draft” so don’t be fooled into thinking that it is. What it is a very clever ruse to get the “patriotic” on-board with OBOZO’s desire to create his own private army. The way the bill is worded, the POTUS can do anything he jolly-well wants to do; this places entirely TOO much power in the hands of the POTUS, any POTUS but especially this one with his tyrannical “leanings”!

    The point below, excerpted from the bill, is phrased in a way that is entirely too broadly constructed and is open to massive abuse (read that as Obama’s personal army and do it on the taxpayers “dime”) without even having to work for it!

    Text of H.R. 5741: Universal National Service Act

    (3) The term ‘national service’ means military service or service in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and service related to homeland security.

    The section ” … that, as determined by the President, … ” means “OBOZO” can do whatever he, in his infinite wisdom, finds expedient to his agenda! duh!

    Text of H.R. 5741: Universal National Service Act


    Deemer Rangel sems to think that these men and women who express a love of country and are willing to go in harms way are just to darn patriotic and I am sure if he is able to reinstate the draft all who are inducted will be “unionized”….the Deemers are going to need every vote they can scrounge up come November and the opposition every musket they can find to keep it a legal election.

  • James A Graham

    04-11-2010 7:44 pm – Jon Voight
    Jon Voight was a guest on the Mike Huckabee show on April 10th, 2010. On the show he read an open letter to America and to barrack Obama where he discussed the future of America and the need for us all to get involved in our individual states Tea-Party movement in order to save our nation.

    Below is the text of the letter:


    “In one year, the American people are witnessing the greatest lie that is cleverly orchestrated by President Obama and his whole administration. The lie is a potent aggression that feeds the needs of people who either have not educated themselves enough to understand the assault upon us all or the very poor and needy who live to be taken care of.

    President Obama feeds these people poison, giving them the idea that they are entitled to take from the wealthier who have lived and worked in a democracy that understands that capitalism is the only truth that keeps a nation healthy and fed. Now the lie goes very deep and President Obama has been cleverly trained in the Alinsky method and it would be very important that every American knows what that method is.

    It is a socialistic, Marxist teaching and with it, little by little, he rapes this nation, taking down our defenses, making new language for the Islamic extremists. The world looked up to us as a symbol of hope and prosperity now wonders what will become of the entire world if America is losing its power.

    The American people who understand exactly what is taking place have come together in the thousands, vowing to try to stay together as a unit of love and freedom for all men and women, from all walks of life, shivering to think that this once great nation will be a third world country.

    This will be the first president to ever weaken the United States of America. President Obama uses his aggression and arrogance for his own agenda, against the will of the American people when he should be using his will and aggression against our enemies.

    Every loving American for peace and truth and the security of our nation must come out and join the Tea Parties in their states. The opposition will continue their tactics; they will lie and plant their own bullies amongst us. Everyone must pay close attention to who stands next to them. We can weed out the liars and agitators.

    Let us all stay in Gods light. Let no man put asunder. We can and we will prevail. God bless us all!”

  • Buckeye Chuck

    Remember in the 2004 campaign when Mr Bush promised there would be no draft? I heard about people voting for kerry because they were afraid there would be a draft. Isn’t it ironic? The only ones I ever hear talking about & promoting the draft are “democrats”.

  • James A Graham


    New Immigrants
    This is a very good letter to the editor. This woman made some good points.

    For some reason, people have difficulty structuring their arguments when arguing against supporting the currently proposed immigration revisions. This lady made the argument pretty simple. NOT printed in the Orange County Register ……………….

    Newspapers simply won’t publish letters to the editor which they either deem politically incorrect (read below) or which does not agree with the philosophy they’re pushing on the public. This woman wrote a great letter to the editor that should have been published; but, with your help it will get published via cyberspace!

    “David LaBonte”
    My wife, Rosemary, wrote a wonderful letter to the editor of the OC Register which, of course, was not printed. So, I decided to “print” it myself by sending it out on the Internet. Pass it along if you feel so inclined. Written in response to a series of letters to the editor in theOrange County Register:

    Dear Editor:
    So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren’t being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.

    Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people like Mr. Lujan why today’s American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when
    there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.

    They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture. Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity.

    Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out. My father fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy, France and Japan. None of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan. They were defending the United States of America as one people.

    When we liberated France, no one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only Americans. And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country’s flag and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl.

    And here we are with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges. Only, they want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country! I’m sorry, that’s not what being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900′s deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life. I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags.

    And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of Liberty, it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the immigration bill. I wouldn’t start talking about dismantling the United States just yet.

    Rosemary LaBonte


    I sincerely hope this letter gets read by millions of people all across the nation!!

    • American Citizen

      Send this as an e-mail to all your e-mail buddies, they will send it on, and so on and so on so that it will go around the world eventually.

    • Deborah

      me too :)

  • James A Graham

    We rarely get a chance to see another country’s editorial about the USA

    Read this excerpt from a Romanian Newspaper. The article was written by Mr. Cornel Nistorescu and published under the title ‘C’ntarea Americii, meaning ‘Ode To America ‘) in the Romanian newspaper Evenimentulzilei ‘The Daily Event’ or ‘News of the Day’.

    ~ An Ode to America ~

    Why are Americans so united? They would not resemble one another even if you painted them all one color! They speak all the languages of the world and form an astonishing mixture of civilizations and religious beliefs.

    On 9/11, the American tragedy turned three hundred million people into a hand put on the heart. Nobody rushed to accuse the White House, the Army, or the Secret Service that they are only a bunch of losers. Nobody rushed to empty their bank accounts. Nobody rushed out onto the streets nearby to gape about.

    Instead the Americans volunteered to donate blood and to give a helping hand.

    After the first moments of panic , they raised their flag over the smoking ruins, putting on T-shirts, caps and ties in the colors of the national flag. They placed flags on buildings and cars as if in every place and on every car a government official or the president was passing. On every occasion, they started singing: ‘God Bless America !’

    I watched the live broadcast and rerun after rerun for hours listening to the story of the guy who went down one hundred floors with a woman in a wheelchair without knowing who she was, or of the Californian hockey player, who gave his life fighting with the terrorists and prevented the plane from hitting a target that could have killed other hundreds or thousands of people.

    How on earth were they able to respond united as one human being? Imperceptibly, with every word and musical note, the memory of some turned into a modern myth of tragic heroes. And with every phone call, millions and millions of dollars were put into collection aimed at rewarding not a man or a family, but a spirit, which no money can buy. What on earth can unites the Americans in such way? Their land? Their history? Their economic Power? Money? I tried for hours to find an answer, humming songs and murmuring phrases with the risk of sounding commonplace, I thought things over, I reached but only one conclusion… Only freedom can work such miracles.

    Cornel Nistorescu

    (This deserves to be passed around the Internet forever.) It took a person on the outside – looking in – to see what we take for granted!


    • American Citizen

      I saw one from a Canadian some time ago extolling the U.S. on my e-mail. E-mails get around better than putting stuff like this on youtube or facebook, although they help, too. A lot of people don’t go to those sites.

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    Most of what I was going to say, has already been said. So, I will just add this to the pot. Everybody in this country, between the ages of 16 and 80 should register for the draft and serve 2 years in the military, then come home and serve in the reserves, for the rest of their natural born lives. The draft starts with the oldest people and the youngest stay at home as reservists to protect the citizens and our borders. The oldest get sent into battle. If we can’t afford body-armor or ammunition, we tell them to whine the enemy to death. Because most of them will die, the government won’t ever have to pay them social security benefits, thereby being able to keep the money and send it to Catholic (politically correct name for Muslims in Indonesia!) missionaries in India, to perform research on the sex lives of tsi-tsi flies, and other important US government research programs! Yup, that’s the ticket!

  • Recently Retired Veteran

    Folks, look up the Basij in Iran, the potential parallels are disturbing. More and more, it seems as if this unscrupulous administration and unethical congress are pushing us precariously close to the tipping point of a popular uprising. What better way to control that, than by forced conscription? Far more disturbing would be the following declaration of martial law, halting elections.
    I’ve served in many parts of the world where political power is derived from the barrel of a gun and I must say, the signs are becoming ominous. I served our great nation for more than twenty years, under arms and increasingly, I’m having a harder time recognizing the very nation I’ve defended.
    Be vigilant people, I have the feeling our liberties are very close to the edge…

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    Charlie is correct about poor people being drafted. Their parents didn’t have the funds to send them to college (John Kerry, etc., stay in school so you don’t have to go in the military, etc.), or to England to go to school, some other foreign land so they could shirk their responsibilities. But, charlie and his buddies are dead wrong about black people when he says there were more of them in the military then white people or that they took the brunt of death and other war casualties. CHECK THE FACTS, FOLKS! This is just anti-white racism. The numbers do not reflect that. Now that we have the Internet, anybody can verify anything that anybody says about anything. Isn’t life wonderful!? Just another black politician blaming the white man for things that never happened. While I am on the subject, Sherrod did say after her video was aired, that while on the job as a federal employee, she “did” provide less service to white people then to blacks. So, if she agreed that the video was correct, then what is all the hub-bub about? SHE ADMITED THAT SHE DID IT! And, now the big boss is apologizing to her, for what? What will happen, will be that she’ll take a higher paying job. Or, in other words, rewarded for being a racist. Who was that white guy that lost the bid for the presidency recently, after saying Strong Thurmond (90+ y/o senator) was a good guy? Well, the boss-man is proving his character for those who take the time to watch. The black professor is arrested for disturbing the peace by screaming profanaties at the police, and the big guy praises him. Now, Sherrod agrees she abused her federal public office, by giving less service to white people, and she is praised by the big guy. What’s next? The New Black Panther party kills 50 white people and the big guy gives them all medals of honor? Sorry, I might sound racist, but I am not. Just pointing out what I am seeing on the news. I must be the only one who is paying attention! Sorry if I offended anybody. And if I did offend you, then, HUH! You should be offended. This stuff is not right! I don’t have any white guilt left anymore. It left me during these last 18 months, COMPLETELY!

    • Bud in San Antone

      We’ve lost three great senators in the recent past, Thurman,Kennedy and Byrd. Please, Lord take about 50 more of them home.

  • Rod

    The way to get around all this crap is: Demand to see the (certified) copy of o-BUM-a’s birth certificate and the birth place he mistakenly put on his passports from 1988 to 2008. Not to mention his (so called)
    collage papers. We can do one more thing! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! in Nov. take back Congress and the Senate and make this dude a LAME DUCK! OH,
    and one more thing,we can IMPEACH this criminal!

  • http://LibertyDigest Michael G.

    Slavery is not something I’m in favor of. Yet a few years ago I read in a book that was a somewhat ‘dry’ read the following statement: “The democrat has always been the party of pro slavery. This has never changed.” Since that reading took place a while back I’m probably somewhat paraphrasing it. But, the idea has not changed. Please don’t yell at me for the statement. I didn’t make it, but it fits today. The comment came from a book titled: “Road to Disunion; Sessionists at bay 1776 – 1854. (Sorry, I don’t remember the author’s name.
    The draft did do one thing. It caused a lot of liberals to flee the country, many of which never came back. Perhaps we should try that angle again, Hummm?

    • Peter

      To Michael G.
      The Democratic party used to be the Rooster Party which was full of KKK folks. George McGovern headed it and evolved it into a palitable party of the south. So I guess you could say they they were pro-slavery. That has changed now. The Socialists have taken over the for at least this term, the blue dogs are fighting to get it back. Remember, Obama could have never even dreamed of getting elected if he ran as the socialist he is, so he put on the guise of a Democrat and won us with words dripping with honey.

  • Peter

    Mr. Rangel just wants to be cliche like the Europians who already have manditory service in the armed forces for all in most Socialist governments. I mean, where do they get “this would be a great idea”?
    I just goes to show you how the tables are being turned on us and now we are expected to serve the government instead of them serving us. And hey Charlie,park that P. O. S. in someone elses garage, like your own. Oh that’s right, they don’t have parking garages in those expensive apartments you own in NY.

  • Bryan Snider

    We are all already slaves to the fed, believing that the fake money doled out by the masters that claim it is valuable currency.
    Also, great economies/countries have been built on the labor of slaves. American manufactures are now taking advantage of slave labor in China/Asia because our plantation owners (feds) tax them for manufacturing in the US. Bring back “MADE IN AMERICA” our unemployment would disappear and our economy would boom again.

  • CJM

    Who does Charlie Rangel think he is anyway? There are fewer black military personnel in the first place, and fewer yet in the war zone in the second place. Another thing Rangel doesn’t address is the fact that blacks do not adopt their orphans, yet yell bloody blue-blazes when they find out that more whites open their homes to these unfortunate children. Blacks also do not contribute to the transplantation programs (kidneys, etc)but are ready to accept anything they can get from other donors. As for slavery, blacks OWNED blacks (and the archives are full of details) as well as white indentured servants—and what does Rangel say about that part of history? Not a word; he just can’t contaminate his semi-black appearance with that horrid word “white.” Does this so-called senator from NY actually believe he is 100% African??? Guess again, fool, there is no such thing as pure when speaking of race. And another thing, not believing in political correctness, there is NO such thing as “black” or “white” races; the appropriate terms are Negro and Caucasian. There is also no such thing as a “hispanic” race since those individuals are classified as Caucasian….some folks need to get over themselves because they are certainly not unique as far as the HUMAN race is concerned.

    • Eagle

      My sentiments, exactly!!!

    • Deborah

      BRAVO! Stuck to the facts…always works for me!

  • Bill Willison

    When I was young we had a mandatory 8 years of service, 2 years active
    6 years inactive reserve’s.
    I joined the Co. National Guard, then went in the U.S. Navy. I never
    had to register for the draft, by the time I got out of the Navy I was
    to old

  • Larry Templeton

    I thought that the civil war ended the slavery issue. Now Rangel is trying to institute it via 2 required years of servitude in his HR 5741 National Service Act (aka Obama’s civilian army). Apparently it is for everyone and not just in times of war. Is this like National Socialism in Germany?
    Also to increase the enslavement the Obama Administration is aparently trying to eliminate the Bush Tax Cuts. If they are not reinstated then starting on January 1,2011 we will have to work 144 days to pay the federal tax instead of the current 127 days (39.6% tax bracket). This administration definitely wants all tax payers to work more for less.

  • Gary

    Some parts of that draft sound OK. Would be a great way to get the gangs off the street and teach good old fashioned discipline again. maybe reduce the population of our jails.

    Older recruits would increase the military talent.

    • Bud in San Antone

      Even draftees must have good moral character and a reasonably clean police record. Guess what, the good guys will go and the gangs will stay behind. See the movie Cold Mountain. Yes, I know it was the Civil War, but nothings changed.

  • Stephen Russell

    In a way I love the idea, since they get the welfare cheats into some Workplace.
    Otherwise NO.
    Love 2 see this blowback on some labor group etc.

    Hey why cant I do TAD for US military, enter Basic( minus PT or modified PT) attend classes & serve 4 years as NCO or CWO type from ASVAB Tests.
    Id do that Big time.
    My Service choice is Air Force since Im near Plant 42, Edwards AFB.
    Id like that & support our forces in Afghan.

  • Charles Says

    I believe if Bob checks Executive Orders by George Bush a Republican before Election 2004 or near that time period he will find the Draft is in effect but not being used as such. I think he will also find the age was raised to 44 maybe by another Executive Order by same. At least one paper article I read at that time said that. It’s easy to search George’s Executive Orders do it yourself. This is the trouble with News Media they can report anything. I try to call a spade a spade don’t matter who. The Democrat needs to read also, I can’t say I checked out other article.

  • Robert Paiva

    Today I’m 67 years old, I went through the US MilitaryDraft of the 60,70′s, of the Vietnam Era, although, I enlisted in the US Army November 1967. Any General will tell you that an all volenteer military is the most diobolical and murderous military that there is, and will usually accept all orders without question and will even turn on their own people in their home country. But a Drafted Military will think twice before turning on their own people, because History has always proven this to be the case! Although, there are always some exceptions to the rules of human military responses because there will always be those who that have been drafted just like to have the excitment of the kill. Most Demoncrats and Republicans have always been against the Draft – but actually there needs to be checks and balances in the actions of the military personnel – believe it or not I believe in the draft and I’m a Republican and My Mother in 1964 Chicago, Ill wanted me to burn my Draft Card and flee to Canada – but I chose to serve so I inlisted in the US Army, today I live on my DAV Pension and I’m not ashamed of my actions, but I’m Ashamed of this Present Administration of 2010. Here is something I have always noticed of the Demoncratic Socalist Party is that they want you to serve but they also want you to DIE and not LIVE. When I returned home after first being in Vietnam and then Korea I was spit on at the Seattle Airport by some doper-diaper-punk in 1966, and then when I got to Chicago I walked through the Riot that was blamed on the Puerta Ricans on Division St. near Damen Ave. but was started by some Illegals Wet Backs from Mexico, today I live here in Arizona. Boy Oh Boy What a Transition>

    • Robert Paiva

      Here’s a reply to my own statement, if you think that if a person is of foreign natonality he can’t be drafted think again if that person is in the US on a Student Visa and leaves his student status to go to work here in the USA this person is subject to the DRAFT! If the person is a Visitor on a visitor’s PassPort of another country and desides to go to work here in the States that person is subject to the DRAFT – SORRY BUT THAT”S THE LAW. IF YOU’R A CRIMINAL INCARCERATED YOU CAN GET A DEFERMENT AND BE DRAFTED BY A JUDICAL ORDER IF YOU HAVE A SPECIALITY THAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTS! DO I BELIEVE IN THE DRAFT -YOU BETCHA – BECAUSE YOU’LL APPRECIATE YOUR COUNTRY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT MUCH MORE! HAD THERE BEEN A DRAFT I DON’T THINK THE MUSLIM LOVER – ISRAELI HATER OBAMA WOULD BE THE WAY HE IS TODAY! HE WOULDN’T BE THE U.S. PRESIDENT!

    • Eagle

      Robert, during the Vietnam conflict, one of the biggest problems we had was with some of the men killing their own leaders. This was usually done during active combat; but I do remember the XO of one of the units I was in, finding a claymore on his desk when he entered his office in the morning; luckily for him, it didn’t explode.

      I am not saying that it does not happen today, in our all volunteer Military, but there are no where near the reports of such as there were back then. I come in contact with Military personnel fairly often, and I don’t see the evidence of what you are claiming.

  • Animal

    From what I have seen of this administration, “undefined civil service that promotes national security” does not seem like the draft that we experienced in the day. The way they are acting with us down here on the southern property line, I dont think they give much of a damn about “national security”. Do yall? Sounds like to me they want to have enough drones on hand to fire upon americans . The blue helmets are coming. Train your kids yourself, how to walk, talk, think, act and shoot. Can you and do you really think it would be a good idea if this F**king idiot who has never served have a “private” army? How fitting to have your own kid march you off to the death camp. WAKE UP AMERICA LOCK AND LOAD

    • Bud in San Antone

      You’re my favorite Animal.

    • slickporsche

      What is needed, and now, is a full blown guns and ammo revolution to retake our republic. Voting is what got us here in the first place.We need to start fresh and install a new goverment that will run by our bill of rights and the constitution. To accomplish that Animal will reguire a real fight and the spilling of much blood. I’m ready Lock and Load!

  • slickporsche

    Someone tell the difference between the blacks and the poor. There is none! I think in all honesty the civil rights bill of the 60′s should be repealed, and if you don’t like it, then you know where the dark continent is.

    • DaveH

      Obama would love that. Then he could get the full force of the Armed Services to back him up.
      The only logical way to get our country back is to educate the people.
      Force should be used only as a last resort if our voting rights are taken away. And even then it would still be a crap shoot. After all the bloodshed there would be a high-probability that we would have just exchanged one dictator for another.
      And by the way, Slickporsche, I think you are a Liberal Plant here to disrupt the board and make the conservatives look like the kind of people that Pelosi accuses them of being.

      • DaveH

        That comment was meant for your previous comment.

  • GreyChief

    The only question in my mind about O’s “Civilian Defense Force” is:

    Will they wear black shirts or brown shirts?

    I’m sure they will be used as an army of thugs to keep the civilian population obedient to government authority.

  • jopa

    Oh my gosh slavery.Not only that ,also Rep, Ryan of Wisconsin wants to have five pound blocks of cheese given out to anyone on welfare or unemployment.His idea is to have all recipients rounded up on the fourth month load them all on trains and send them to constipation camps.His idea of ethnic cleansing.Want to buy a bridge???

  • Da Norseman

    Charlie Rangel has a problem of his own by putting himself above the law and exempting himself from paying his fair share of taxes. It goes to show that Rangel is pocketing more of our hard-earned money for his own good and getting rich off our backs.

    It’s time to stand up, America, and impeach these liberal idiots in DC, like Rangel, for abuse of power and tax evasion. They say they fight for us? What a bunch of B.S.!!! They’re fighting for us because they want more money out of our pockets. That’s what they want!!!

  • Marauder

    Socialism (aka communism light) IS slavery for all but the wealthy elite class. This may explain why congressional and other rich liberals want to establish it here, but it doesn’t explain why the average citizens, or those liberals who fancy themselves so “intelligent,” want the same thing.

  • http://gmail i41

    What is the difference betwwen black and being poor? It is called motivation. they have had the victumology crap laid on therm since the late 30′s by the dspcialist democrat party. There is afferminative action, no matter how damn lazy or dumb go get to go to the first of the line, Freedie and Fannie help blacks get shacks with no job or work skills except play games with their balls, want to start a businesses, they got 110% financing, money for living and business venture,will not go to school or stay in school, if they go to college it is paid for just like the Indains. Business require 100 hours weeks at the job, not 40, a concept that is hard to fathom for a lot of people of all colors. I have heard from all “minorities of the racist crap just because of my color I don’t get a chance. Well I will not put you on a 500,000 dollar machine when you show up for work late, have a crap attitude, don’t know how to operate it, have no work skills. That is why minorities stay at the bottum rung, to much free money from the taxpayers. Indians, blacks, and now mexicans want all the government hand out with no work involved, same goes for the white welfare rats and farmers subsidizes. All thanks to the socialist democrats and their marxist leaning attitudes. Onumnutts and his marxist mamee are living proof of the spending on someone else dime. Putting all tyhe gang bangers that get arrested for creating problems give them 4 years of non stop boot camp, cleaning tagged areas, parks, picking up road ditches in west of the Missiouri River to the Cal. bordern=, from Canadia to the Mexican border, winter start in south nd move north. Add an additionjal 4 years for attempted escapes. save states and government funds and have clean enviorments.

  • Da Norseman

    If one studied the history of other nations that transitioned over the years, One would have to look at Imperial Russia in the few years prior to the 1917 revolution – rich vs. poor. There were protests by the poor for a “better” life and opportunity for all and the redistribution of wealth to tax the rich and feed the poor…and look what happened. The poor prevailed, the tsar abdicated and over the next 74 years, Russia became a real hellhole as part of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

    As a result, there was no better life when communism prevailed. There was still serfdom and peasantry – in other words, slavery. The private life was dead as the worker and his family were “owned” by a co-op set up by the community under control of the central government in Moscow. Wealth was redistributed to man according to his needs for the community.

    If anyone read and understood Marx’s writings in the “Communist Manifesto”, One would know that this would not lead to a better life. This promotes the ideology of man exploiting man as in the case of slavery or serfdom, as well as governmental greed, which Marx, himself, promoted through his writings.

  • Mel

    I believe in Mandatory National Service (MNS) – including females. The leavening of rich and poor, majority and minoroty, in the equivlent of Army Basic Training teaches our self-centered younger generation the importance of teamwork, and respect for others. In the late 1940s, “Universal Military Training” was proposed, with 6 months of active duty and being on call for the next 18 monhts. The measure did not fly, but the Korean War instituted The Draft. Our national leaders would be better for the experience of MNS, and the country would benefit from the equivalents of the Peace Corps, Appalachian Corps, and CCC. Now, how to fund it is a differnt matter.

  • Catherine

    Lincoln ordered troops after many African Americans were beaten and murdered and an African American orphage was burned down. Mobs were destroying and burning property. Original opposition to the draft got out of hand and the local NY police force was not equiped to control it.

  • Da Norseman

    Even during peacetime I support mandatory basic military training for disrespectful youths once they’ve reached 18 to learn to respect their elders. A good culture shock is what they need once they arrive at any of our training centers and received by military instructors who would break them down and build them up again. With the instructor as the authority figure, inductees, no matter how self centered they are, would be too scared to say or do anything that would get them recycled back to the receiving area where they would have to start the whole process all over again. They would have to learn to keep their mouths shut and do as they are told once the instructor barks out the orders. After graduation, they can either choose to remain in military service on a voluntary basis or return to civilian life as respectful citizens.

  • chuck b

    da norseman

    have you looked at some of this scum in the cities, i doubt if they could stand up under basic training. a lot of these young people were born of drugged out mothers and they unfortunately do not have the faculties, drug burn out from the mother, they would just as soon kill as look at you. even the toughest marine di would fail. this problem has been going on since the sixties. what the answer is i couldn’t say.
    otherwise i agree. six month’s mandatory military training for all.

    • Da Norseman

      Absolutely! That has been a problem, especially in the inner cities where drug dealing has been the norm as well as unwed mothers birthing the so-called crack babies while constantly getting that high during pregnancy. Such young life is wasted and so little has been done about it over the last forty years. Drug dealers control these areas where, in many cases, law enforcement officials usually avoid. There are some that would say it would be better to isolate these areas from the rest of the world rather than deal with it. Most of these children born to drug mothers usually do not live very long and are either physically handicapped or suffer from brain damage.

      Otherwise, the disrespectful kids I was referring to are those that are brought up as such that their parents cannot control them and would just give them anything they wanted. They are disrespectful to their parents, and are usually the skateboarder types one would find at shopping centers and other places where they are not allowed to skateboard or loiter. While most of these kids will leave if you ask them to, there are some that become arrogant, testy and sarcastic as if to say, “What are you gonna do about it?” and give you that dirty look. These arrogant kids as well as the bully types are the types that qualify for mandatory basic military training no doubt.

  • jeff

    who thinks slavery is over.look at this there is millions of illegals here. the americans are working to pay taxes to the government and we have the highest debt in history.they do what ever they want with the tax money that is supposed to be there for retirement and dissability but it will be gone long before then.then what.?that is the question.the government officials make a very high income.but what about the people it is we the people that make the world go around.

  • coal miner


    The “Four Freedoms”
    Franklin D. Roosevelt’s Address to Congress January 6, 1941
    Chapter 36

    In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.
    The first is freedom of speech and expression — everywhere in the world.

    The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way — everywhere in the world.

    The third is freedom from want — which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants — everywhere in the world.

    The fourth is freedom from fear — which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor– anywhere in the world.

    That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb.

    To that new order we oppose the greater conception — the moral order. A good society is able to face schemes of world domination and foreign revolutions alike without fear.

    Since the beginning of our American history, we have been engaged in change — in a perpetual peaceful revolution — a revolution which goes on steadily, quietly adjusting itself to changing conditions — without the concentration camp or the quick-lime in the ditch. The world order which we seek is the cooperation of free countries, working together in a friendly, civilized society.

    This nation has placed its destiny in the hands and heads and hearts of its millions of free men and women; and its faith in freedom under the guidance of God. Freedom means the supremacy of human rights everywhere. Our support goes to those who struggle to gain those rights or keep them. Our strength is our unity of purpose.

    To that high concept there can be no end save victory.

    From Congressional Record, 1941, Vol. 87, Pt. I.


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  • GW

    Governments 1st duty is to protect the people, not run their lives…President Ronald Reagan

  • GW

    The happiness of society is the end of government…President John Adams

  • GW

    An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens…President Thomas Jefferson

  • GW

    I voluntarily served my country during the Vietnam War in the USMC. I have come to believe that the draft is irreconcilable with both the principles of a free society and the provisions of the Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government given powers to conscript citizens. The power to raise armies is not a power to force people into the army. The draft is a totalitarian institution that is based on the idea that the government owns you and can dispose of your life as it wishes. Our freedoms come from God and not our corrupt FED government. Although Washington is taxing us all into poverty, they still do not own us or our children. Besides I would never choose to serve under a Muslim President that has never served our country himself and issues executive orders like he is a King.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    I am glad that people are getting the fact that honest Abe was a tyrant. He didn’t get asassinated for that part, but for the fact that he got a little too big for his boots and wanted to print his own money. Anyway, the Jackass in the white house said from the beginning that Lincoln was his favorite guy,that told me everyting I needed to know about him, before he ever started campaigning for Jackass-ship. I am so sick of these creeps and perverts they can all go *#^k themselves. My advice, if they make this a law, is for everyone to simply disobey it, the time is coming when we will have to say enough of the madness. Yes, they will bring the big guns out, like they did before, but do people want to live in a Marxist totalitarian America? Do you want to live free or do you want to be branded and used like an animal? Sorry, none of my ancestors owned slaves so I don’t have any “white guilt” but I do think it is time to move on, that dead horse has been a pathetic policital ploy for far to long!

  • GW

    We are fast reaching a boiling point in our Country that very much mirrors what was happening prior to 1861. The issue is this, States and individual rights. We have a tyrannical central government in Washington that is taxing and spending the Country into third world status. The federal government is trampling our Constitution. We have a judiciary that NEVER was granted the powers that they have usurped, ruling the Country by fiat, and a “lil boots” President who is incompetent, arrogant and dangerously ignorant of American history. We The People will have one chance in November to peaceably clean house and IF the entrenched evil in Washington is not removed from power? Then true Patriots will have to rise to take back our Country or lose it forever. Individual acts of resistance would be a waste of your life BUT if the Peoples’ resistance is nationwide and massive? Then We The People can bring justice to those traitors among us and restore the Republic. ALL totalitarian governments will eventually come for the Peoples teeth, which is their firearms. The Redcoats attempted to take away our ancestors guns and that is what triggered the American Revolutionary War. When the Socialist in Washington attempt to take away our guns via a declared National Emergency, that will be the Patriots call to arms. Don’t think for a moment that our military will side with the Socialist. They will not. This President is despised by our military. They swore an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States and to protect the citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic. The domestic enemy is our own power drunk, tyrannical, federal government. IF you do not believe that history repeats itself? then you are doomed to repeat it. Washington is not listening to the people and in fact ruling over us like tyrants. How long do you think it is before the people reach a breaking point? Thomas Paine said it best over 200 years ago, “It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his Country from its government.

  • DaveH

    The bottom line is that the elected leaders of this country are making slaves and fools out of the citizens.

  • http://none Phrofit

    The Crows set around and kaw & car make noise,and hold court, to
    find the one that did not sound the warning. The question is who let
    this happen ?—– How can they be punished?

  • David Warheit

    I think that I never realized just how much “ultra conservatives” hated America until I read this article. According to Mr. Livingston, citizenship is a one-way street. If this country were ever invaded and its citizens were called upon to defend it, why Mr. Livingston would be nowhere to be found. I suppose he has never even responded to a jury summons much less served on a jury; pure slavery.

    As for the notion that this nation “is likely to soon see a popular uprising”, besides splitting an infinitive, it sounds like Mr. Livingston is issuing a call for treason. If you hate your country that much, sir, why don’t you leave?

    • Deborah

      Dave, I like Livingston. These are not fictional characters we are dealing with and your way of talking is treason. We the People have tolerated this far to long. We voted, in Texas, against high taxing and bailouts, they did it anyway.
      We have a elected a illegal align as president. POTUS look it up!
      Had to be born on our soil, mainland
      Had to be born to two naturalized citizens.

      He is/was indonesian. He was born in KENYA! Their officials spoke and I listened.
      There are other things that does not add up for him holding the office, one being the fact he has foreign influences. The Supreme Court Justice Alito even pointed this out!
      He has established a new government and new military. You tell me who has committed treason again!
      YOU side with our enemy. As he has labeled Americans terrorists to the outside world, I seen it myself, you wasn’t listed as exempt!
      We have Muslims chanting in American streets “Death to Americans” and “Die Infidels”.
      You remind me who is the traitor!
      Sounds like you don’t know much about America and her people. Perhaps, I’ll be detained, I don’t know…but until then, and then after, I AM AN AMERICAN! Proud and I believe in all My Lady Stands for. Her People being at the top right now.
      We, I pray, will prevail.
      God Bless America and God Bless her People.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

    Why else do you think Billary is pushing so hard to get the UN arms treaty ratified…disarm and control. Of course the lib’s will respond here with all the usual anti gun bs. We recently had some Americorp youth “assist” us with a problem, we didn’t ask for them we were just told they are coming and to work them in somewhere. They spent most of their time secluded from the rest of us. It was really hard to carry on a conversation with them, maybe my 30plus years of law enforcement bluntness was not politically correct. I actually found myself choosing my words very wisely, when the opportunity for a converstion did arise, as if I was being recorded or notes were being taken on us. We were all on edge so maybe it was just my imagination. However, I was reading their mission statement afterwards and noticed there was a requirement to respond to “public safety” incidences, I didn’t know they were cops, or trained in those areas. Kinda makes you say hmmmm. I apoligize to them if I am totally off base.

  • Deborah

    What about the handicap, physical and mental?
    Can’t you just see this happening? He calls for a natural emergency and I’m taking it that somewhere in the states we are shooting it out!
    This is total Bull POOP!

  • meteorlady

    “Rangel, who opposes the excursions in Afghanistan and Iraq because he believes blacks and the poor are doing the majority of the fighting and dying, has long sought to institute a draft. In the past he has stated, in effect, that by instituting a draft Americans would be less likely to support wars.”

    WOW – way to use the “poor” and “black” to get a draft. These people signed up for military duty all on their own so why does Rangel think he’s the champion for these people who exercised their free will?

  • Jeff

    These laws are for those who refuse to put the number of the beast in their hand or forehead, no one else.

  • Bob Mueller

    Obama proposed during his presidential campaign a domestic force as strong and as well equipped as the US military. Under orders backed by the similar military justice procedures, a domestic corps service person can be compelled to do and enforce STUFF: Read the particulars contained in the Declaration of Independence to color your imagination.

  • David Snyder

    My mother & I argued over this from the draft abolition in 1973 until her death in 2003.She thought I was obligated to believe in the idea of compulsory service because she did.My feeling was then & is now,that it makes one property of the US Government.

  • Brandon Neiman

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