Reid: Senate Doesn’t Have The Votes For More Gun Control

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Following the shooting tragedy that occurred at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, some top Democrats wasted no time in calling for a renewed Congressional fight for tougher gun control laws. But on Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said that gun control legislation doesn’t have the votes to be approved by the Senate.

Therefore, Reid said, he has no intention of bringing new gun control legislation to the Senate floor very soon.

“We’re going to move this up as quickly as we can, but we’ve got to have the votes first,” Reid told reporters. “We don’t have the votes. I hope we get them, but we don’t have them now.”

Reid said that when the gun control debate does make it back to the floor, background checks are at the top of his legislative list.

“Background checks. We want to stop people who have mental illness from buying a gun. We want to stop people who are felons from being able to purchase a gun,” he said.

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  • Elvis Presley

    Mental illness to stop gun ownership, but the lRS must believe that conservatives, Christians, and patriots are not mentally sound, so the big question is will they be allowed to own guns based on administration standards?

    • ch2801

      Communist Russia determined who was mentally ill by ordering their communist psychiatrist to determine they were.

    • 5live5

      By what reid said, I then take it that liberals won’t be allowed to own guns? I mean, they’re ALL crazy, right?

  • Alan

    Just how do you suppose determining who is suffering “mental illness” will be achieved? And even more specifically, just what exactly will qualify as “mental illness”? There are plenty of people in our society who are “mentally ill” although they are not necessarily homicidal sociopaths nor suicidal manic depressives. By government standards I suppose anyone who is against their agenda will be deemed “mentally ill” and therefore subject to forfeiture of their 2nd Amendment rights. They really think they’re clever, don’t they?

    • Deerinwater

      Documented ~ would be my guess . ~ The prescriptions that you have been prescribed by a physician.

      it could get dicey ~ better stock up now ~

      of course ~ have no documentation that you own firearms is the best way to go. ~

      and so , ~ for the record , ~ I have a Red Rider BB gun and a 177. air rifle made in some place that I can’t pronounce. ~ Eurasian somewhere.

    • Deerinwater

      Documented ~ would be my guess . ~ The prescriptions that you have been prescribed by a physician.

      it could get dicey ~ better stock up now ~

      of course ~ have no documentation that you own firearms is the best way to go. ~

      and so , ~ for the record , ~ I have a Red Rider BB gun and a 177. air rifle made in some place that I can’t pronounce. ~ Eurasian somewhere.

      • 5live5

        If Ohbummer asks where it is made, tell him Uranus!!!

        • IsThisAmerica

          LOL!

      • Mole Johnson

        You could put somebodies eye out with those!

      • Alan

        Absolutely deerinwater! My point is that anyone who has ever used an anti depressant, a medication which is far too over prescribed, will find they no longer have the ability to purchase a firearm. That’s one big chunk of the population left unarmed. Like you I own several BB guns and a Marksman brand air rifle. Hopefully DHS won’t start stockpiling BBs and pellets in order to keep them out of our hands as well…..lol!

    • chocopot

      “By government standards I suppose anyone who is against their agenda will be deemed “mentally ill” and therefore subject to forfeiture of their 2nd Amendment rights.”

      Correct, and it will be those on the Left who set the standards. Just like in the Soviet Union. Anyone who represents a threat to total control by the Left will be deemed mentally unfit.

      Just like good communists everywhere have always done, they will advance their agenda (in this case, total disarmament of the general population so there will be no threat to their rule and total control) on top of the bodies of the innocent. I find it hard to believe that these mass shootings, which have been deemed “random,” really are “random.” The timing is just so damned convenient.

      • Alan

        I agree chocopot. It really requires a lengthy stretch of the imagination to find all of these recent shootings not to be connected in some way. Not that I’m some kind of paranoid conspiracy theorist mind you, but I am lucid enough to place suspicion where suspicion is due.

  • Deerinwater

    Hmm? I better race out and get more guns. ~ at 65 , I haven’t exactly been a Saint and any fight that I get into anymore would not last more than 10 seconds.

  • Say-ers

    In all the talk about gun control, this administration has not offer one word about solving the bad guy problems of this country. We have hundreds of gun laws in this country, both Federal and State, that if enforced, would help keep the guns out of the hands of the felons and youth of the troubled cities. It is very discouraging to read that a 14 year old kid just shot another 16 year old kid over gang territory or drugs. BACKGROUND CHECKS? How insulting. To address this problem you have to roll up your sleeves and be prepared to do double duty to get the job done. I think they want registration so they can confiscate the guns from law bidding citizens. Harry Reid is a gun guy. He built a state of the art gun range in Nevada. Now he wants more gun laws? I don’t think so!

    • IsThisAmerica

      They don’t enforce anything on the books. They want to rewrite them to fit their agenda.

  • Robbie

    There is rage in the land. Mentally ill folks and even quite sane people who lose their cool temporarily should not have it so easy getting a weapon. At the very least there should be a waiting period. You buy a gun but don’t get ownership for, say, 5 days. Something like that would give rage people a chance to cool off and possibly save lives by preventing these mass murders by gunfire.

    • 5live5

      Why should I have to wait because some dude can’t control his temper? That’s total BS!

      • Robbie

        Because it could save lives – lives of the fellow patriots folks like you are always crowing about. Try to be a little less selfish and little more concerned about others. “WE the people” and all that stuff. Thank you ever so much.

        • 5live5

          What could save lives is when convicts of violent crimes connected to guns are released from prison, especially early, there is a list sent around to all FLL, telling them this guy may not legally own. What will save lives is busting more of the trunk lid sales that go on in almost every city. What will save lives is stopping the government from selling arms to Mexicans illegally just to see where they end up. But of course, those would take WORK and PREVENTION that is NOT against the constitution!

    • chocopot

      You are delusional. If the person is so determined to kill or cause mayhem, they will either bide their time until they get the gun legally, or they will go out and get one illegally. Has the desire to buy and take illegal drugs ever been stopped because the drugs are illegal? If you want to buy something, if there is a market for it, whether it is illegal or not, there will always be someone ready, willing, and able to sell it to you. The only people inconvenienced or harmed by all these crazy laws (22,000+ nationwide and counting) are the law-abiding citizens. There are enough restrictions and limitations already.

      • Robbie

        You seem to think that laws against illegal activity don’t work. BUT THEY DO. Not always of course but they do work. Is it your feeling that we might as well do away with ALL laws simply because some folks will break some of them some of the time?

        • chocopot

          “Is it your feeling that we might as well do away with ALL laws simply because some folks will break some of them some of the time?”
          Those are your words, not mine. Murder is illegal in all instances, but it still occurs, doesn’t it? You cannot legislate human behavior. You can only punish them after the fact. Denying me my rights so you can create another useless, ‘feel good’ law will not solve anything, nor will it stop potential criminals.

          • Robbie

            The law allows society to punish those who break that law as well as “convincing” many not to break that law in the first place. If you did away with all laws simply because some folks break them the result would be pure chaos and anarchy.

          • chocopot

            You are having a one-sided discussion. YOU are the one who keeps talking about doing away with all laws – not ME. All I am saying is that adding more useless, ‘feel good’ laws onto the untold thousands already on the books will only diminish my rights, not stop any criminals.

    • Anonymous

      The news report said the killer came into the building wearing a backpack. He went upstairs to the 4th floor bathroom and reassembled his gun there. Would Liberals like you feel better, if the killer had armed a bomb, instead of putting his gun together? That way he could have leveled the whole damn building and killed everybody. Someone who is OBVIOUSLY mentally deranged (Don Berry) can kill anyone they want and there’s nothing you can do about it, except shoot them first. McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel fuel, 911 killers used box cutters (no guns either time hmmm), both killed WAY MORE PEOPLE WITHOUT GUNS being used at all. But with the Liberals La La land fantasy of peace and harmony and disarming the HONEST PEOPLE, you get scenes like we had this Monday….

  • hippybiker

    Another large dangerous negro on mind altering drugs who hated America. Too bad they didn’t blast him before he killed 13. Oh, that’s right. Bill Clinton outlawed military personnel from carrying firearms on bases. Didn’t seem to bother this particular mutt.

    • Mole Johnson

      The military is disarmed, the American people are next …

      • Don Berry

        Grab those guns a little tighter Einstein. The jack-boots will be here any minute…LOL!!! …idiot…

  • Don Berry

    When a tragedy like this happens, and your first concern is about your guns, then you have some seriously effed-up values…

    • 5live5

      No, when the first concern of the government is to CONFISCATE said guns, then THEY have some pretty effed-up values!

      • Don Berry

        No, people die and all you care about is your damn guns. Precisely the effed up I referred to. Maybe some day someone will use one on you. See what it feels like.

        • Sasuke

          Actually Don, I know what it feels like and that is part of why I carry one every day. I choose to defend myself and others from those who would do us grave bodily harm. I won’t give up my natural right or the means to defend myself and my family for any reason.

          • Don Berry

            If you’re still alive and answering here then you don’t know what it feels like to be killed by a gun. If you did then I’d predict you’d feel a bit differently about the damage & death they cause.

          • Vash the Stampede

            Sorry but dead people don’t feel any thing. Only the living.
            Firearms don’t shoot them selves. They are tools like hammer’s and saws. A person needs to be involved for it to work.

          • garygerke

            You thinking process is very, very flawed!

          • Don Berry

            I’d say the same thing…about you.

          • Frank Staples

            Guns don’t cause damage and death, Don…only thugs, criminals, druggees, etc. using possibly a gun as a tool, cause damage and death. We, in our small town, have had five shooting deaths in the last five weeks…all but one, if I remember correctly, had to do with drugs! Guns don’t kill people…they are just a tool and I don’t believe I heard you arguing about the guns that cops carry!!

          • Don Berry

            If you need a gun to protect you in your small town, full of drugs & drug dealings, maybe you chose the wrong place to live…just sayin…

          • Merle Dickey

            Well Don where do you live that is so safe? You shouldn’t mind telling us so we can move there since it is so safe.

          • Don Berry

            Suburban Midwest is all I’ll say. If you can’t be confident that you can lock your doors and get a good nights rest, without paranoia requiring a firearm at your side, it doesn’t matter where you live: MOVE!!

          • Merle Dickey

            Safe? Like the two little girls that were shot down in OKC for what reasons no one knows? What about the farm couple in Kansas that were burglerized in ther own home and beaten up badly, what about the Australian athlete going to college in OSU and shot by the punks that were bored!!Don, I’m sorry for you, you are totally out of this world. I wish the world was like you seem to think your little patch is but unfortuately it isn’t .I hope you have good law enforcement to protect you because you couldn’t protect your self if something happens. And it will in your little patch of the world , sooner or later.

          • Don Berry

            One word: paranoia. Try…try…to have a good night…

          • Don Berry

            Here ‘ya go folks, this is truly the nuts & bolts of your beloved guns, used in the real world: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/michigan-concealed-carry-road-rage-two-dead_n_3956491.html

          • Merle Dickey

            Last post to you . Your so thick headed and narrow minded that I won’t waste my time to talk to you. You believe what you want. I am very comfortable in my world.

        • Frank Kahn

          We care about what is RIGHT.

          • Don Berry

            “RIGHT”??? According to whom? A bunch of paranoid gunoholic nutbags who care more about their metal penises than the people those weapons kill? Precisely my observation: effed-up values. BTW, thanks for making my point…

          • Frank Kahn

            Lets see who is paranoid. You are a sissy, a pathetic wimp that is scared to death of freedom. You are the one that has a problem with phallic symbols not us. We are not afraid, because we have the ability to protect ourselves from liberal nut cases that continually go on shooting sprees. You have a serious problem with unreasoning fear of tools. You are sick. You are unstable. Let me guess, you are a liberal democrat. You believe that guns are evil. You think that climate change is real and man made. You think it is terrible when children are killed in a school but you support a woman’s ability to murder her unborn baby. You don’t care about anyone else’s rights, just yours.

            I will defend, with all my guns, your right to be a whiny, paranoid liberal, but be careful if you try to remove my right to bear arms.

          • IsThisAmerica

            More gun control will never solve the issue of criminals, gangs, and illegals from having one. That is our 2nd amendment and do not try to take it away. Locking up criminals, illegals is a good start. We must have self defense against these people.

          • Frank Staples

            Jeez, I couldn’t have said it better!!

          • Don Berry

            Afraid? Let’s see, who is the one hiding behind his metal penis, namecalling, and assuming things about those who advocate control of your little metal dick. There’s a coward in the room, all right…and he hides behind his gun…

          • Frank Kahn

            Ah, another phallic challenged person.

            When it is dark outside, do you grab your metal dick (flashlight) to make you less afraid?

            Do you even realize how stupid it is to claim something is a phallic symbol, just because of its shape?

            If I defend myself with a pipe, is it a phallic symbol? Would I need to use a 2X4 board because it is not round?

            Do I use a gun (phallic symbol), to hunt, because I can’t pee far enough to kill a deer?

            When a group of people decides to beat the crap out of you, you will be scared. When they decide to do it to me I will be calm.

          • Robert Messmer

            Actually Don as long as it abides by the Constitution of the US, I am all in favor of gun laws. So just what type of gun control are you advocating?

          • chocopot

            Ever hear of the Constitution? My rights are superior to your ridiculous ideas about what my rights should be.

          • Merle Dickey

            There you go!

          • 5live5

            don, the only point that has been made is on top of your head! do you lock your doors at night? Why? you obviously don’t think there is a need form it. Are you always aware of your surroundings when you walk somewhere? What’s the need? I own a gun to protect my family and myself from the would be idiots that may come through my door at night with a knife, bat, board, and yes, a gun! Outlaw guns and I will not have that protection. in that case I might die without having a chance to even try to help them. Is THAT what you want? Are YOU one of the perps that may someday want to break in to my house?

          • Don Berry

            More paranoia from another gunaholic. If you fear for your life at night, maybe you ought to pick a better place to live. Unless, of course, your reasons are all so much bs…

          • Merle Dickey

            I think Don is so old he can’t reason anymore and realize we are living in a dangerous country now.

          • 5live5

            Merle, I noticed he didn’t address my question on whether he was one of the perps that may try to enter my home. Perhaps he IS???

          • Don Berry

            You’ve got nothing I want, Rambo, trust me on this.

          • 5live5

            I don’t know that do I? I only have your word for that. Besides I DO have something you want, MY GUN!! You are trying to take it just as sure as you broke into my house tossed it and stole it! You might not be willing to admit that but it is very true!

          • Don Berry

            The danger comes from all the gunoholic crazies out there…starting with the ones on this forum.

          • Merle Dickey

            What I don’t understand Don Is why would you stay on this forum? Not all of us are gun nuts but you are packaging us all togather. My father gave me a mossberg 410 when I was 10 years old. Took me to shooting ranges, hunting with him , tukey shoots ,where a year later I won the big bird. I had gun training from the police dept. Then when I was 12 we moved to oregon and I had another gun training class . Married a serious hunter, packed in miles to get an elk , which we ate.but the problem is the world is different now. I live in a very good neighborhood but we have a loaded gun locked away that we can get to very quickly,because the mexican gangs are spreading out to rob and beat up in the nicer neighborhoods. ( I ‘m sure I just offended some one but it is true) I’m not a nut but a strong defender of our 2nd amendment. If the government under this idiot we call president is allowed to recall the 2nd amendment then it will go on from there, until we no longer have a constitution or protection of any kind.

          • Don Berry

            The blanket statement I’m making about you is that you all are more concerned about hanging on to your precious guns than you are of the death & misery they cause…which reading the posts here, is absolutely true. I have gun training also…doesn’t mean that they’re any less useless to me. As far as the 2nd amendment, it was written with flintlocks were the contemporary weapon of the times, and formal law enforcement was non existent. Feel free to hoard all the flintlocks you want, and enlist in the “militia” (military) you desire – that’s what was stated by the forefathers. …and bastardized by the NRA and it’s sheeple: you.

          • Merle Dickey

            Yes I will hang on to my guns not only because it is a right but because I will makes sure my family is not attacked with ” the death and misery” as you quoted.The government just came out with figures that guns have saved folks from bodily harm in over 300,000 cases compared to the 11,000+ gun related deaths. I will respect your decision not to have a fire arm but you need to respect those of us that are not nuts and are responsible gun owners . Good day.

          • Frank Staples

            Hey dumbwad….when you hear a bad sound at night just who exactly do you call??? Serious question and I’d like you to answer it publicly. I’ll be willing to bet good money that you call a man with a “what was that again?”, oh yes, a man with a GUN!!

          • Don Berry

            It’s like this, “dumbwad”…I haven’t had to call anybody…ever…for a “bad sound at night”. You are paranoid & delusional. Just like the other paranoid gunoholics on this discussion. Guns mean more to you than the people they kill. YOU…sir…are the problem….aided and abetted by your metal dick.

          • Frank Staples

            You really are pathetic, Don. You seem to be hung up on “metal dicks”. Oh well, you’re not my problem as you don’t live in my town…just means I don’t have to bother myself or my friends to protect your sorry butt.

        • 5live5

          Not if I get to mine first. You however have no chance! Why don’t you put up a “gun free zone” sign in your yard and see how long you last!

          • Don Berry

            Haven’t needed a gun in 60+ years, and got over whatever paranoia I had, decades ago. Unfortunately, I can see you have not…another paranoid gunoholic, hiding behind his little toy, talking big. Spelled c-o-w-a-r-d…

          • Merle Dickey

            This is really about the(attempt) taking away of the 2nd amendment when you get down to the bone of it.

          • 5live5

            Well gee big man you scare me!!! NOT I’m not scared, I’m smart. If you got over your paranoia 60 years ago, then leave your doors unlocked and put a sign saying “Gun free Zone” in your front yard and we’ll see who lasts longer, you or me. I served eighteen months in Viet Nam as a door gunner on slicks and believe me, I’m NOT a coward. I just don’t trust the whole world like you mindless obots!

          • Don Berry

            Not trying to scare you Rambo, I’m a peace loving individual. You all are the chickenhawks, hiding behind your iron. I’m saying is a man’s right to life trumps your right to own your weapon of choice, and all you bozos come up with all these insane arguments why it does not. Enjoy your delusions.

          • Merle Dickey

            No he is realistic Don which I am beginning to think no one likes you and you are a bitter (maybe ) old man I feel sorry for you.

          • Don Berry

            If no one of you gunoholics here likes me then I’m fine with that. You all don’t want to know the truth, or you wouldn’t be logging on to a Libertarian blog. Bitter? Me? Don’t think so. Happy to have lived in a peaceful world (at least so far!) and I intend to keep it that way. I’m glad that we Americans are out from under the thumb of the Koch-sucking Republicans, and look forward to better days ahead, now that the truth about the Teapublican party is out for everyone to see. I know this sort of talk gives all you Faux Noise sheeple fits, but the leadership today (except for our obstructionist congress) suits me just fine.

        • Merle Dickey

          It will be the government that shoots me if I get shot.

    • garygerke

      Don, you give this tyrannical government an inch in more control and they will have taken a mile. This government defies the Constitution and the will of the majority of people in the US, you need to step back and see what is really going on!

      • Merle Dickey

        He is too thick headed to listen to any kind of reason. He can’t believe this isn’t 1950.

    • chocopot

      Another indoctrinated fool.

    • Johnny O’Brien

      Pinheads like you make me sick with your holier than thou mindset.

      • Don Berry

        So sorry if I rain on your parade….NOT!!! Gunoholics make me sick…period.

        • Merle Dickey

          Don, I have a good idea . Just stay in your house with all your doors locked and just make your statements on the internet then we will all be safe from you! You say you have no guns which I hope you don’t because you would be a scarey person with one.I’m glad I don’t live close to you.

  • Ranchman

    This is the guy who the NRA gave an A rating to? Reid would do all he
    can to help Obama disarm every single American. I’m sick to death of
    hearing the words “gun control,” they’re hollow words meant to cause
    division among the people. If Obama decides to try anymore of his
    legislative actions against our firearms rights, he’s going to push us
    into fighting back, for real this time.

    Molon Labe!

    • Merle Dickey

      Reid has changed alot since Obama and Pelosi became his masters

  • Larry

    Reid should be in a Nursing Home and not try to work a very unfortunate event caused by what obviously was a deranged dude.
    Very sad the level to which these people stoop.

    • 5live5

      Only if they put him in a gag and straight jacket!

    • Mole Johnson

      Harry is a weasel, just like Barak!

    • chocopot

      I must disagree. Reid should be in a jail awaiting execution for high treason.

  • justus brother

    Where were the background checks when Obama and Holder gave the guns to the Mexican drug cartels?

    • Mole Johnson

      Are they doing background checks on the Syrian rebels?

  • BHR

    It is always sad when anyone dies from a gun shot, a car accident, a boating accident or eating to much sugar an becoming a diabetic but that is life, we can not make laws to control every situation but the liberals would like to. We have so many laws now, society has become bogged down and it is becoming difficult for our country to function. We need less laws not more. We need people to get along better, for that we need a President and liberal legislators to stop promoting class wars, dissension among the different races and promoting unions and government workers over private citizens. More gun laws are only away for liberals to control private citizens. Our liberal government has been promoting hate. People have become very fearful for their future and full of stress. With the American society becoming so stressful people on the edge are acting out. The answer is not more gun laws but less laws in every area of our lives.

  • Cory

    But wasn’t the rifle used supplied by the Government?

  • Cory

    But wasn’t the rifle used supplied by the Government?

  • Guest

    Aw hell, with the way things are going, being able to think for yourself is classified by the government as a mental disorder. And, if you question the government or disagree with them? Better lock you up, throw away the key, and use a bit of ECT therapy to scramble your brain from thinking outside the box. But perhaps I should not give the Feds any ideas.

  • D. Geils

    Harry and Nancy have been working on destroying US longer than BO.