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Razing Cain

October 13, 2011 by  

Razing Cain

It strikes me that as long as the race card remains in the American socioeconomic deck, liberals will play it like they were splitting a pair of aces at a Vegas blackjack table. President Barack Obama has skated past disasters which would have sunk some Presidencies as if they were involved in a scandal to falsify testimony in front of Congress to hide a nine-figure boondoggle which armed narcoterrorists and caused the deaths of two Federal law enforcement… ooh, this is awkward. But I’m a racist for mentioning it. The Tea Party is racist, too. You’re racist for nodding your head at the opening sentence. To be fair, there is real racism in America. There are real victims who really suffer, but Obama is not among them.

If you’re looking for the face of true targets of racism, 2011-style, look no further than Herman Cain. Cain’s campaign attracted little attention at its outset, deservedly so. Cain was a successful businessman and known conservative among those familiar with him. But he was hardly a national presence and even less of a political force. Cain has come on strong of late, and he has begun attracting attention from the deepest pits of the Democratic Party.

Cain is a conservative, and liberals hate him for it. Indeed, the very same Democrats who employ the brickbat charge of racism in defense of every entry on Obama’s prodigious resume of failure are running out of a playbook most Americans haven’t seen since Robert Byrd was still playing with Klansman action figures.

Comedienne and leading liberal philosopher Janeane Garofalo noted Cain’s growing surge in early August by declaring on Keith Olbermann’s nightly hatefest: “Herman Cain… is being paid by somebody to be involved and to run for president.” She’s saying Cain is no more than a paid minstrel, dancing like a calliope monkey. For his part, Olbermann wondered if Cain suffers from “…delusions of grandeur or are (Republicans) just taking advantage of him?” Of course, Olbermann never considered the possibility that Cain is an intelligent businessman who created his own personal and financial successes through hard work and dedication. For the record, Garofalo and Olbermann, in addition to being Democratic heavyweights, are only slightly darker than Edgar Winter.

But nothing could have prepared me for putty-faced liberal sock puppet Lawrence O’Donnell’s assault on Cain last Thursday. O’Donnell, whose racist streak is well-documented, once claimed Michael Steele was “dancing” for his “real master… the Republican National Committee.” To suggest that O’Donnell peppered Cain with racist invective is to suggest that Obama is on the fence about Saul Alinsky. O’Donnell attempted nothing less than a prime-time lynching. In questioning Cain’s commitment to racial equality, O’Donnell attacked Cain’s father for successfully keeping Cain focused on individual achievement, saying:

Where do you think black people would be sitting on the bus today if Rosa Parks had followed your father’s advice?… You watched black college students from around the country and white college students from around the country come to the South and be murdered, fighting for the rights of African-Americans. Do you regret sitting on those sidelines at that time?

The same man who thinks Scott Brown is a disgrace to the Senate seat once held by Clarence Thomas lynch mob member Ted Kennedy did everything but set a cross on fire on his set. It’s worth noting that O’Donnell’s program is preceded by Al Sharpton’s hour of rage. To my knowledge, Herman Cain never smeared human feces on a teenage girl in furtherance of a fraudulent conspiracy; but evidently, Sharpton exemplifies the white liberal ideal of a “good” black man. Granted, Sharpton is filth; but who the hell is O’Donnell to think Cain, Obama or even Sharpton want, need or care about his estimation of their racial credentials?

To Cain’s credit, he remained composed and dignified throughout O’Donnell’s spectacularly bigoted ranting. If some liberal talking hairdo took a shot at my old man, I admit I would have struggled to keep from knocking his teeth out.

During Tuesday night’s Republican Presidential debate, the other GOP contenders began focusing their discontent on Cain. But their objections had nothing to do with race. Congressman Ron Paul quite reasonably socked him for his unnerving defense of the Federal Reserve. Cain faced opposition to his 9-9-9 plan. (He should; the Fair Tax is a better system). They treated him in the same manner they treated each other, like a political adversary.

They treated him like an equal. There’s another “teachable moment” for the Democrats.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    If the Republicans work at it the USA might just end up with a “Black” President after all, not a “not black enough” one.
    Obama must be laughing at the lack of “competition” in 2012.

    • DanB

      I think if Cain actually won the nomination, Obama would not run for reelection. They would not want their fraud exposed on racism. They would run Hilary maybe and then just double down on calling Cain a Republican “plant”–to use a more polite term. Sure, they could do this with Obama running too, but I think there would be too much risk that it would backfire and destroy their propaganda on race issues. So I think to minimize the risk they would run a white woman against Cain. That way if their fraud on race is exposed, they stand a chance of getting the races to forgive, forget, and believes the lies once again a bit sooner…. That is just my thought. Just like if Michelle Bachmann won the nomination, I think they would stick with Obama….

      • Alice

        Liberals are so steeped in their own idealism they would not realize that their racism was exposed. It is thanks to Republicans that laws were passed affording minorities equal protection against Democratic opposition. One Democrat issued bats to be used on minorities who tried to take advantage of their new-one freedom. Liberals have convinced themselves that they freed the slaves, achieved civil-rights, and are the only hope of the black man. They have no problem rewriting history. They believe their lies, so they will not feel a bit guilty. They believe black people cannot succeed without liberals and they feel that poor white people are only just a little more capable. Hence, their insistance on telling all of us what to think, buy, use.

        • eddie47d

          Speaking of rewriting history very nice try Alice but not even close. To change the subject. Since Ben think Lawrence O’Donnell speaks for all Democrats then Breitbart speaks for all Republicans.I don’t really think all will accept Breitbart’s trash talk about blacks but the author left that equation wide open.

          • Average Joe

            …and as usual, Eddie47d…doesn’t think at all…..at least he is fairly consistant…..

          • eddie47d

            The truth must hurt A J. or you snapped your mind shut as soon as the author spoke. Which is it?

          • Average Joe

            eddie47d says;

            “The truth must hurt A J. or you snapped your mind shut as soon as the author spoke. Which is it?”

            I am not sure about your world eddie, but in mine there are more than two options and I choose option number 3…the author is an eddiot…er….idiot.
            Nice try though, maybe you can get a job as a poll taker….with your limited options for thought and responses.

        • theotherrhalf

          Well, it certainly wasn’t the southern clan members who freed the slaves.

          • EdinNola

            Are you talking about the then branch of the Democratic Party called the Ku Klux Klan?

          • libertytrain

            are you talking about a Southern family? Are you talking about the KKK – you may want to research when the KKK began.

        • LANI

          Many Many Many blacks don’t even realize they have been voting for the Very Party (Democraps) that tried to keep them slaves,to keep them at the back of the bus, to make them drink out of a different water fountain then the whites etc. when in truth the Republicans fought for there Civil Rights. The Dems continuously kept Robert Byrd (member of the KKK) at a high position in their party. Gores father was against their Civil Rights…. and they continue to vote for these fools????? they don’t even realize they are being used. And that is sad

        • LANI

          You are right Alice. The Dems fought Civil Rights for Blacks. One of the Dems who continued to be voted in high places by the Dems was RObert Byrd YES a KKK Member. Gores father was against Civil Rights for blacks. It was the Republicans who fought for Civil Rights. So its unbelievable that so many blacks vote Democrap, the very Party who tried to keep them at the back of the bus! They are only being used.

          • Alex

            You are not paying attention, LANI.

            The Southern White segregationist Democrats are a thing of the past.

        • mishu

          Alice, as an “African-American”, I view your response as an effort at reverse psychology. Your comments are on par with conservative talk-show hosts. Liberals are less likely to vent their oppositions as do conservatives. Liberals are less likely to address an issue e.g., abortin as being against “family values” and then build a base for removing laws that are aimed at addressing needs of people in this “democratic” republic. Herman Cain is a “black” that does not identify with people of color. He held a position that was probably one-of-a-kind among people of color and he snubbed his nose at those “beneath” him….yes ma’am you know nothing of relationships among people of color who are in different “classes”…you should understand the writings of Willie Lynch…they hold very true today…
          Mr. Cain and Clarence Thomas are in the same boat. Clarence Thomas insist that affirmative action had no bearing on his pursuit of a career and how did he serve that premise he voted to dismantle it…

          • Doug Rodrigues

            I like Alan West, Herb Cain and Ron Paul because none of them are two-faced double talking obfuscating Lawyer Politicians. The average blacks won’t vote for West or Cain because they got themselves out of the black victimization mentality and made a success out of themselves. Good for them. If blacks can’t understand that, then they can go on being a victim forever. The Democrat Leadership wants them that way.

        • skip

          A great week for gun-toting – only 8 shot dead straight away in Seal Beach, and of course, it wasn’t the guns the shooter used – it was him. Which is the point why we really ought not carry guns – because it us presumably sane humans who pull the triggers, it seems, not the neighborhood dogs. It really is a shame that the eight ladies getting their hair done, or the stylists doing their hair, didn’t have their Uzis at the ready, or this whole catastrophe could have been reduced to only a couple of people dead rather than the wholesale massacre that took place.

          Also, a great week for Herman Cain – now that we know that his funding almost in its entirety comes from those protectors of personal liberty and great humanitarians, the Koch Brothers! Any surprise there? When asked how is plan will work, at the debates, at least Herman’s answers were honest – “I have no idea!” Right on Koch Brothers – you’re right on your usual target – by the time you two guys and your fellow travellers are finished with this nation and the electoral process, democracy and the USA as it was conceived will be in the distant rear view mirror, and a kleptocracy of the hyperwealthy will have all of us in what was the middle class as serfs and slaves. Buying our votes at $1,000 a pop is a good investment for you. What are you going to do when you and your kleptocratic buddies do own the entire world? Let us in on the secret, please.

    • http://MSN.com Linda K

      I will not vote for Cane to be next president of U.S. We already have the black president who brings our society into poverty and turmoil. People should think before vote. I believe we need a conservative president with good experience and knowledge.

      • Alex

        By your ignorant non-logic, since both Georges Bush and Ronald Reagan were White disasters, we should never elect another White to the presidency? Silly.

        • Alice

          Stupid rejoinder. The logic of failing to elect another black president because a pseudo black president has attempted to put our country out of business is illogical. But, to suggest that Reagan was a disaster shows that your grasp on history in the reality is poor. So, I take it you are a liberal. No liberal hesitates to rewrite history to suit his/her own ends. Look up the party that freed the slaves, pushed integration and equal protection for all races. Then look up the party that resisted to the point of blood all attempts to make all men equal under the law. Guess what, you will find some big, fat liberals in the history books trying to keep black people in the back of the bus – That is, if you read a book written when truth still mattered.

          • eddie47d

            There are Democrats and Republicans who shaped the lives of blacks Alice and there are blacks who shaped their own lives. Both parties have also shamed themselves on the race issue.

          • http://personalliberty Jan

            RIGHT ON ALICE….”LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER” that is why they can not believe the truth. Iwould not vote for Cain, not because he is black, but because his 999 program would hurt the middle class and help the rich!!!

          • Alex

            Ronald Raygun tripled the national debt and traded arms for hostages and then traded arms for DRUGS to keep his illegal war against the peoples of El Salvador and Nicaragua going.

            Ronald Raygun is charring in Hell right next to Adolf Hitler and Paul Tibbets.

          • Alex

            Also, Alice, please stop pulling the old Democrats-as-enemy-of-Blacks card. That tea you’re gagging on is really kool-aid.

            Yes, Lincoln was a Republican. Yes, most of the Southern White supremacists were Democrats.
            How about the Whigs? You, like so many Fright Wingers, are living in the past. Republicans have only hurt Blacks (and women and Latinos) for decades. Things change; idiocy, apparently, does not.

          • Curtis S

            Alex? You wrote… Paul Tibbets? The World War II pilot who dropped the first atomic bomb? Paul Tibbets, a man who never glorified what he did? A man who simply followed orders and helped end the war in the Pacific sooner than anyone expected? A man who saved what military experts estimate to be the deaths of around a million US servicemen who would have had to invade Japan like the Allies invaded France at Normandy? Never mind, the millions more Japanese civilians that would have perished in the proposed invasion (it was code named “Operation Downfall”… Google it). Paul Tibbets most certainly IS NOT roasting in hell. (Besides, if “war is hell”, he was already there.)

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Alex,
          Right on. Both father,son team George BushSr, George Bush Jr and Ronald Reagan were white disasters.

          • http://personalliberty Jan

            Another liberal who does note know what he is talking about.
            coal belives Obama is a great leader??? how Pathetic.

          • http://personallibertydigest galien val oliver

            alex,, everytime you open your mouth you show your stupidity

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Alex
          Cain’s 9-9-9 plan:
          If you are rich Ayou will love it,but if you are poor you better look out.

          Oct 12, 2011 · Cain’s 9-9-9 plan: Good for the rich, bad for the poor … Obama may still be the only choice; Story … presidential candidate Herman Cain’s …

          http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/10/12/127065/cains-9-9-9-plan-good-for-the.html

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Jan,

            I am neither a liberal, a conservative or a moderate.I despise all governments whether its capitalism,Marxism or fascism.We considered all governments evil and one day hope to eliminate them. so if you got any more stupid insults, let me know .I’ll be glad to answer you, on your level.I am an anarchist and I belong to The International Workers of the world.We have no sacred cows on the right or left.

            How to Be an Anarchist. “Anarchism does not mean bloodshed; it does not mean robbery, arson, etc. These monstrosities are, on the contrary, the characteristic of mob rule,not anarachy.…

            http://www.wikihow.com/Be-an-Anarchist

          • speedle

            Actually Coal I suspect you don’t even know what an anarchist is. Most Real anarchists can’t put two meaningful words together (examples can be seen at any of the “Occupy” neer do well get togethers). You actually wrote real sentences, so I suspect you are somebody with a computer and not much else to do to attract attention.

          • mishu

            Cain insists on 9-9-9 flip it and it becomes 6-6-6…the man is mad!!!!!

      • Patriot II

        Linda you say: ["I believe we need a conservative president with good experience and knowledge."]

        You just described Cain!, but yet you just said you wouldn’t vote for him?? Whats’ up? are u confused??

        • Bear

          Linda does not sound so confused as she seems to be afraid of having another “other than white” president. For most white people, we have moved past color, something that I wish more black people would do. But as long as we have individuals like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Rev. Wright, we’re going to have racial tension in this country. There are black groups, magazines, pageants and colleges that openly discriminate aginst any color other than black. Now, that statement is not racial, it is simply a fact. If we could get rid of the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons, and the rest, we could start getting some relief from the turmoil that they create. After all, it’s how they make their living. As for Herman Cain, he will continue to be under attack because he is a succesful person and because he is black. Haven forbid we should have anything occupying the oval office other than a lawyer or a comunity organizer. We must have someone with experience in finance and business to show the leadership needed to recover from these financial problems. More beurocrats with ideas of increasing tax grandeur must go. I don’t feel comfortable with Romney or Perry. I feel they might be too closely alligned with the financial elements that have so far created the problems we now have, I.E. the Bilderbergs, Soros, World Banking commission, etc.. I would love to see a ticket with Gingrich and Cain but don’t believe it will happen since Gingrich is competeing for the first chair too.

          • Christine

            I agree that Herman Cain is an accomplished gentleman and he says many things I agree with. Unfortunately he has praised Alan Greenspan and the Fed too often and then lied about some of his previous statements. I think he may be one of those insider bankers and don’t trust him anymore.

          • Average Joe

            Bear,

            Pull up your pants son…your rascism is showing. Whether you believe it or not….the world doesn’t revolve around color…except through the eyes of rascists.
            Since the shoe seems to fit you so well….wear it.

          • Marty S.

            What about a Cain President and Paul V.P ticket- that could be a workable combo eh?

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Linda… Our sitting POTUS is neither black nor white, and his skin color has absolutely nothing to do with his abilities to lead our country. He is not a leader is what is wrong with our country. I am lily white, and I have been watching Herman Cain and I think he is what our country needs. He could be purple for all I care. He is motivated and not a politician, which makes him an even better pick. I pray that our next president will be one who loves America and stands with America and our allies. Barry doesn’t do either….

        • wally stewart

          your 100% right

        • Jana

          Robin,
          All of the ones posting above you are liberals who would bring dissention to Conservatives. They have tried to take this topic over.
          You can always tell WHAT they are by how they talk.

        • independant thinker

          I am not a big fan of Cain but if he gets the Republican nomination I will surely vote for him over obama.

        • JoanBarry

          I agree Robin. I am very impressed by candidates Herman Cain and also Michelle Bachman. (This has nothing to do with race or gender.) They are both clear in expressing their belief in conservative economic and social principles and have a plan and agenda on how to undue the harm done by Obama should they be elected POTUS. We need a leader for President, with more focus on families to return the USA to it’s greatness.

        • http://personalliberty Jan

          Oh yes Cain tells it like it is, BUT his 999 tax plan
          would hurt the middle clasS and help the rich.. so you
          figure it out. We need a true conservitive who cares
          about the middle class and the seniors fo this country.
          And especially one who would support our TROOPS.
          AND PROTECT OUR BORDERS.

          • JustJoeKS

            What are you smoken??? Why would lowing your income tax to 9% be a bad thing? I wish I only had to pay 9% taxes. I’m paying over 30% now!! That would be a big increase in income for me!!
            Why would this hurt the middle class? The middle class pay around 25% right now, it would be a big decrease in taxes!! Even with the 9% sales tax, you still only pay 18%. Plus lowing the corp tax to 9% would help companies.

        • theotherrhalf

          No, he is a businessman who is strongly aligned with the Federal Reserve.

          If you liberty people want liberty you should be aligning yourselves with Ron Paul a libertarian.

          Cheney made his war happen so that Halliburton could profit. The republican backer/no taxers should have seen this one coming.

          Power to the capitalists for making money, but I think you need to pay fair too.

          As for the TP pubs, they gotta start playing nice. Go for the jobs program. Get people working. Fix the economy and let the bush cuts expire.

          Downsize banks, get rid of the Fed, and make corporate personhood illegal. Get the lobbyists OUT of Washington. Tis where your problem lies.

          http://www.getmoneyout.com/

      • Ace of Spades

        Have you read Cain’s resume? To the top of four different fields and brought two companies out of possible bankrupcy. Head of Fed in Kansas City. How much more experience does he need?

        • Dreamtime

          Head of the FED in Kasas is the WORST experience. The last thing we need is a FED insider as president.

          • s c

            D, there is no Fed in Kansas. The Fed you’re talking about is in Missouri. Kansas has a Kansas City, and so does Missouri. Just a reminder, as utopians will slam us for anything. Now you know what you needed to know.

          • Ken Howes

            Cain’s experience in the Fed is a plus. He would be entering the presidency with far more knowledge and experience in federal finances than Obama had–or than either Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Ford or Carter had. (Nixon with eight years as VP, during which time he frequently had to act as president for the aging and increasingly infirm Ike, was different.)

            As to the issue of representatives, our Constitution is a compromise. The big states wanted representation to be by population; the small ones wanted it to be by state. So the Senate is by state and the House is by population.

            Why are we importing more? In large part because of federal and state regulations. The Johnson Battery case is instructive. There was a company making batteries in Vermont, paying its employees pretty well. Now there was one room where people were handling the chemicals that would go into the batteries. The people who worked in that room were paid a very high wage. The company, however, would not permit women under 45 to work in that room, because there was a specific risk that if a woman handling those chemicals bore a child, there would be a significant risk of birth defects.

            A woman sued, saying this was discrimination. The court agreed, and ordered the company to allow young women to work in that room. The company asked, “Does this ruling mean that we are not liable if a woman who works there bears a child who has birth defects?” The court answered, “No, you’re going to be liable.” Within weeks, Johnson Battery started its manufacturing operation to Mexico, and Johnson Battery no longer makes batteries in the United States.

            That’s one case, but things like it are all over this country. If you want manufacturing to come back, you have to undo all that stuff. Do you think companies really want the delays, risks and expenses associated with manufacturing things in, and transporting them from, China, India, Vietnam, Hungary, etc.? No. But they’re not going to put up with the BS that liberal legislation and regulation have produced. And that’s why we’re importing more. GM started importing vehicles made in Belgium. Belgian workers are paid pretty close to what Americans in similar jobs make. But there are all sorts of regulations and work rules that GM won’t have to deal with if they make the cars over there. When will liberals get it?

            It also doesn’t help when the Obama administration gives huge loan guarantees to a company that is producing “green jobs” not in the US but in Mexico, or to one that is busy going bust–but both of whose owners were big Democratic bundlers.

        • Pepper

          Do any of you stop to think it is not about color or party. Have any of you “researched” Who and what the “Federal Reserve” really is and how it works? Bernie Madoff was an “experienced” business man. Should we hire him for prez? I would think that most of you on this website want less Gov and are intelligently conservative. Please go find out how the Federal Reserve really works, then get back to me.

          • Bus

            I agree, this knee jerk reaction to anything related to the Fed is silly. Do any of you know how a person gets nominated to head up a branch of the Fed?
            I agree that the Fed should be audited but its a pretty good system and I would much rather have a quazi-private business running our money supply than congress, at least it is still somewhat market driven.

          • Average Joe

            Bus,
            Have you ever read the Constitution? If so, do you actually understand it? I am highly doubtful on both counts, otherwise you wouldn’t make such an ignorant statement. I’ll “try” to make it easy for you, not that I believe you will grasp the concept…but, I’ll try…. Please take note of “Clause 5″ and see if you can wrap your brain around it. (though I am doubtful that you have that much brain capacity). BTW, an “Act of Congress” does not supercede the onstitution…and the Federal Reserve Act was just that…an “Act” and not a Constitutional Amendment…therefore, Clause 5 still stands as law…..

            Article. I.

            Section. 8.
            Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

            Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

            Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

            Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

            Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

            Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

            Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

            Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

            Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

            Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

            Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

            Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

            Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

            Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

            Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

            Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

            Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And

            Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

          • Average Joe

            BTW, I forgot to mention that under Clause 6, the Federal Reserve shoulf be prosecuted for “Counterfeiting”.

          • mishu

            I recall when Jimmy Carter was elected. Before he took office he had selected people for his cabinet. He was visited by some “bigwigs”, they went over his list of cabinet members and after they left, Carter said he was almost in tears at who his cabinet members were. President Obama has been in office now for 2 yrs and 9 mos and has ’til yet, to appoint a full cabinet…the conservatives block him at every turn, he still has not appointed federal judges to the bench because the conservatives will not accept his nominees….think about Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush (and the list can go on and on), they had few problems appointing their nominees to become cabinet members…

        • Ken

          The fact that he was the chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve is exactly why we shouldn’t vote for him. The Fed is corrupt and behind all of our current financial woes. I don’t get why people don’t understand that. A simple economics class would fix that for all but the most ignorant voters. Did anyone ever think that Hermy might be the Fed’s choice for president? As a plant for them, he could continue the corruption by ensuring that an audit is never signed. Plus, he flip flopped and lied about the issue. In his book, he calls those who want an audit “stupid”. Then, he lied about it during the debate. Now, he just says that it’s not important. How could it not be important? For all of you Christians, how could you not see the developing new world order? How could you not pick out Perry, Romney, and Cain as their plants? So far, only the candidates approved by the nwo get elected, and look where we’re at.

          • Bus

            Yeah Ken, he’s a puppet for someone who can really think because successful blacks certainly can’t be given credit for doing anything on their own.
            Now in Obama’s case, our affirmative action president, I might agree with you. But Mr. Cain seems to have actually shrugged off his victumhood and pulled himself up by his own bootstraps rather than falling into the liberal black attitude that the country that had enslaved his great grandfather needed to take care of him.

          • Christine

            I think you may be right. Cain praised Alan Greenspan as his favorite Fed Chairman. Greenspan has stated that the only purpose of income taxes is to control the population. We don’t need tax income because we can simply print money when we need something. If Cain likes Greenspan (who he worked under as the Kansas City Fed Chair), then I don’t like Cain.

            Cain also called anyone who wants to audit the Fed ignorant. Then recently he lied and said he didn’t say that. There is video on the web showing his statements. I had thought he might get my vote, but several recent statements relating to the Fed and lying about those statements means I can’t trust him. There is only one trustworthy candidate. Ron Paul for president.

          • theotherrhalf

            I know! They are so afraid of the NWO but they are helping to creating it.
            Oh well at least if we get left behind there won’t be anymore hatred coming at us from the right.

        • George

          As assistant head of a Federal Reserve branch, the PRIVATE CORPORATION that has almost ruined this country, should DISQUALIFY Cain as a presidential candidate. If you are unfamiliar with this, I would suggest the book Creature from Jekyll Island or the movie Monopoly Men to find out the largest swindle of our lifetimes.

      • ALL AMERICAN

        Are you crazy? Mr Herman Cane is the obvious choice for a Conservative, no-nonsense leader. Does anybody know that he is extremely smart and has degrees to show in mathematics and engineering? Yet, Mr Cain holds his toungue and is very humble/composed. I will vote for him, and so will many others I know. Watch the debates. Do your due diligence to study this great man. When you are done, you will see this logical/common sense choice.

      • LANI

        I would vote for Cain. Its not the color of the man, its his beliefs and his integrity and his love for this country.

      • Donna

        Totally agree with you!

    • Bear

      Peter, Very interesting indeed. For all of those “happy to be black” progressives like Oprah, Cain would really be the first Black President. Obama is the hybrid model that requires too much fixing and costs too much to operate. He needs top be placed into the “cash for klunkers” program. He’s a defective import.

      If Cain wins the Republican nomination, I will back this man completely. He represents me and what I stand for because I am an American small business owner.

      • LANI

        I am just in disbelief that Oprah still would help BO for President in 2012. She is nothing I thought she was all these years. I stopped watching her after BO became President. I am so disappointed in her.

    • Ellen

      I have read way down at comments…..How I wish we all could, would, step back and look to see who, first and foremost, are humble, kind, patient, real truthfully HONEST individuals. Their lives (not always perfect, who is?) BUT who really know that there is a HIGHER BEING…trying to live their lives Honoring GOD…God says “a country who does not Honor HIM HE will not Honor….Look at America at present…Where is GOD….I Pray we all will pray first….One who Honor’s God….Not AGAINST honoring GOD is the KEY…by the way that KEY was Hung on a TREE….

      • theotherrhalf

        But in your mind Ellen the only God is the one you believe in. You should challenge yourself more often.

        • Ellen

          The one I know in my heart….The one who created You and me….The one I wish ALL could know….He loves you!!!

  • James

    I hope Herman Cain wins the 2012 election! Herman Cain tells the truth, and that is why he is a threat to the Democrats, and the status quo Democrat blacks.
    U.S.N. Veteran

    • Phil

      The reason the contenders and Dems are after Cain right now is because he does make sense and they are all scared. I WILL VOTE for Cain.!!!!

      • Alex Frazier

        You know, Ron Paul has been telling “the truth” for thirty years. Herman Cain gets a little media attention, and people like you come out of the woodwork. What “truth” has Cain told, exactly? That Washington doesn’t work? We all knew that already. I can’t think of anything else the man has said in any of the debates that has been groundbreaking.

        So what does Cain stand for that is so suddenly spectacular that he’s now the candidate of choice for you when Ron Paul has had the qualities we’re ALL looking for for three decades?

        • DonnieB

          He is a black Conservative. That is something that the media tries to smear. You just can’t have a black man that didn’t use Affirmative Action and praising the Left. The mainstream media and the Dems want him to go away. It is certainly harder (and less believable) to suggest that Cain is a racist. This takes away a bludgeon that the liberals use against GOP candidates.

          Your hint that Cain only said something that everyone knew. So did Obama. The big difference here is that knows something about management of large businesses ( ie a country) where Obama had none unless you count managing a mob on the street.

          If Cain wins the nomination I will gladly vote for him or any of the current crop of candidates. Some I like better than others but all of them have a better idea than the socialist that we have now.

          • Rosco1776

            And a former fed insider, no thanks!

            Ron Paul 2012 or BU$T !!

          • Ted Crawford

            Rosco
            Are you aware that when a company hires someone for their Cyber Security they prefer convicted hackers? who is the best Tax preparer to have? An ex-IRA accountant! In both cases it’s because the know the ropes and where all the skeletons are buried!

          • Fly By Night

            If Cain and Obuza had a debate on television then all that will come of it will be that Obuza and Cain will quote about “The Pot Who Called The Kettle Black—and vice-a-versa (if ya all know what that means):->

          • Average Joe

            Ted Crawford,

            “In both cases it’s because the know the ropes and where all the skeletons are buried!”

            And…how to keep them hidden….

            In the future, finish the statement…don’t leave us hanging….

        • Michael Lewis

          I admire Representative Ron Paul and his Constitutional views; but what has he accomplished in 30 years? We do need to restrict the Federal Government to its Constitutional enumerated powers and that would solve our deficit and debt problem; but how do we get from here to there. I believe other candidates have demonstrated real accomplishments and are more likely to get the nation moving in the right direction.

          • Alex Frazier

            He’s accomplished a few things, but primarily, he’s generally fought against in a congress full of betrayers who want to do what they want to do, despite the constitution.

            The way to get from here to there is to elect an entire congress of Ron Paulish members. When the congress and the president all care about freedom and the constitution, most of these problems will eventually go away.

          • theotherrhalf

            He is denied press. The Fed doesn’t like him. Corporations don’t like him.

            Because he CANNOT be bought like every other candidate out there. So the support he gets is strictly grass root, small dollar donations. the way it ought to be. I am probably a liberal libertarian but I can get behind a republican like that. I know he’s not pulling stuff out his @$$ like the rest of the candidates. Only talking points that the campaign manager gave them that day. (Perry) Not gonna beat us over the head with a bible (Bachman) not suspect about the Fed (Cain) Not a flip flopper mormon who is not mormon enough for the mormons.(Romney) lol
            And I may not agree with him on all his issues, but you know where he stands. And I think that deserves respect.

            I read something the other day that I thought was a great idea. Have the republicans choose the democrats and have the democrats choose the republicans, this was in reference to the get nothing done super committee. But I think it applies to where we are at as a country.

        • s c

          AF, chill out, dude. What needs to be said is that we elect a president AND a VP. You don’t get one without the other. The trick is to elect a GOOD president and a GOOD VP.
          The worst example of electing a prez and a VP who was pushed aside to protect the monumental ego of the prez was FDR. As it turned out, HST was not a bad president (for a ‘Dem,’ that is).
          Look what we have NOW. We have two LOSERS. I may not know who owns their collective rumps, but it’s NOT the American people, AF. Chill out. You weren’t being slammed.

        • Vic Bailey

          Alex, you are right 1,000%, but as usual people overlook what has been in front all along. STUPIDITY helps. If they would look and Ron Paul’s record they would see REAL PRSENDENTUAL QUALIFICATIONS, that we haven’t had in the Whitehouse in about 47 years! So I say to all
          “RON PAUL OR NOT AT ALL”, because allthe rest that are running are ALL PUPPETS, NOBODY pulls Ron Paul’s strings, that is why I like him! Semper Fi.

          • theotherrhalf

            YEA! I changed party affiliation so I could vote for Paul in the republican primary.

        • justlittleoleme

          Okay you guys keep bringing Cain as being in the fed, fine. I could find negative and good about all the candidates. Those of you for Paul what about Ron Paul saying Iran should be able to have Nuclear weapons. What is he thinking? You are not dealing with a country with reasonable logic you are dealing with a country who wants war, bring in chaos in order to bring in their Imam. Would you let a teenager who wants to use the gun to kill other teens (let’s say this teen has expressed that desire and he believes it is right)get a gun. I will vote for Ron Paul if he wises up to that point. I do not want someone running our country who will not deal with Iran and their trying to get nuclear weapons. What good is a great economic United States (I think Ron could accomplish that) if we are attacked. Ron Paul must deal with that point. Granted pretty much everything else he says I love but not this one. Their are a few other things I don’t like but I could deal with those. Study out Iran and their president’s belief. Yes normally I say a country has the right to get them because they are acting in their best interest for protecting their country but not Iran, the president uses belief and many of their people to run their lives and not common sense and reason. I want to hold all the candidates to the fire before I fully decide. I have a favorite now but I am still deciding and may change my mind later.

          • Andrea B

            If you think Iran having ONE nuclear weapon is a threat to the entire free-world, it may blow your mind to know that the United States spends 15 times more on defense than the top six enemy-states– combined.

            Once you realize the true resources of our ‘threats,’ you will also realize the mountain of propaganda that is required to feed into the fears created by (you guessed it) the propagandists.

            For instance, did you know that Iran doesn’t even HAVE a way to get a nuclear weapon in the air? Iran doesn’t have an ‘Air Force,’ or any other organized military. They don’t even have the capabilities to refine their own gasoline!!!

            Following YOUR logic, we should probably attack them because they have tons of sand, and sand can be very harmful if it gets in our eyes. Nevermind the fact that they can’t blow sand in our faces from the other side of the planet…that’s not important here…just the fact that sand could hurt us is enough reason to blow them off the map. Oh, and don’t pay ANY attention to the embassies we’ve built on their holy lands…don’t pay ANY attention to the bombs WE’VE been dropping on THEM for the past decade…after all, little details like facts should NEVER get in the way of a ‘good’ little propagandist.

            RonPaul2012.com

        • Aix Sponsa

          The Republican Party needs a person who is competent AS WELL AS ELECTABLE. If they are not really careful it’ll be another “perot win” like ’92.

          • http://personalliberty Jan

            100% RIGHT. THEY NEED TO GET SOME ONE TO STAND UP AND SAY..CONSTITUTIONAL ALL THE WAY.And who would close the
            borders immediatly. Put the naional guards on both BORDERS
            and also insist on E-VERYFY FOR EMPOYERS AND LANDLORDS!!!

        • JoanBarry

          Ron Paul does tell the truth as he sees it, but mostly he is overly critical of all aspects of the current state of our government and system. He gives us his personal opinion of things, rather than putting out a plan like Cain, Bachman, or Gingrich to move this country forward to a position of strength and admiration in the world. Whoever is elected needs to start immediately to undue the harm done by Obama, financially and socially rather than just complain and blame the last administration.

          • theotherrhalf

            Have you even listened to him speak?

          • Alex Frazier

            If you go to his website, you’ll find that he has a significant plan, and addresses all the issues on the table. He’s not winging it with a catchy slogan. He’s ready to put Washington to rights, and has a detailed plan on how to do it.

    • James

      I didn’t write this, I’m the constitutional, biblical, Bill of Rights James.

  • M.Alice Woolard

    First let me say I am white & 74 years young!!! I do not see the color of HERMAN CAINS skin when he speaks,just the words, he is what this country needs, A non polition getting the mess that has been caused for us with carrer politions, they should be limited to 2 terms and their retierment should equal what A person who works 30 years get on social security.

    • Alex Frazier

      Please explain what Cain is going to provide that this country needs, that won’t be likewise provided by an experienced House Representative like Ron Paul, who has fought for our constitutional rights for thirty years.

      What is Cain going to do besides add an additional tax burden?

      Non-politician? He was part of the Federal Reserve. They pull the strings of the politicians. You kid yourself.

      • Ted Crawford

        You keep repeating yourself Alex. Here is what you aren’t considering; Many of us believe, very strongly, that NO ONE, not even with the sometimes brilliant fiscal policies of Rep. Paul, who is so unconcerned with a Nuclear armed Iran or North Korea can be allowed anywhere near any seat of power! The plot reported yesterday just proves up that point!

        • ALL AMERICAN

          Ted, Ron Paul sunk the ship the moment I heard him say he wasn’t concerned with a nuclear Iran or N Korea. Nice comment, Sir.

          • Texas_Gundealer

            And unfortunately you keep repeating yourself Crawford. You sound like one of the news anchors and even debate monitors who constantly twist Ron Paul’s words around, it is not that he would not be concerned it Iran had nuclear weapons it is that they don’t have the capabilities as of yet (we have more pressing issues at hand than worry about what ifs, like the economy and getting people to work) of course you in your simplistic thinking would not catch the subtlity of the wording used, plus the only time you hear Paul defend his position is one min at a time in debates. Also, if you have ever looked at his foreign policy he states that commerce and diplomacy amongst all nations is key to security because we have open communication with everyone, and if Iran doesn’t want to get on board and continues to shrug off our advances for peace and is Hell bent on our destruction Paul then believes on declaring war because then and only then is our national security at stake. He believes in only going to war with a clear objective and exit strategy and not dragging it on like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t know Cain’s exact stance on the wars but i do know that he lied during the debate on his stance on the Fed, he likes Greenspan, and as far as people touting him as a great economics expert I’m not sure how that phrase and his clear support for the TARP bailouts could go hand in hand unless you are Paul krugman

          • James

            Who are we to tell Iran: “You can’t have a nuclear power plant?”

        • TML

          North Korea already has neclear weapons. It amazes me that people who whine so much about lost freedoms are also in favor of his country acting as a despot against other countries… to say what they can and can not do. Perhaps the real problem in this country is people such as yourself who are willful hypocrites to their own cause. Stop letting your fear drive your reason. This is the home of the brave, not the home of the fearful.

        • theotherrhalf

          And you got it right. How convenient that Saudi prince would be threatened on US soil. Saudi’s walk around Iran free all the time. You just want to believe the propaganda machine.

          You’ve finally got a politician among the rest who will tell you the truth and you don’t want to believe. But what the heck, why should I think you are none other than part of the machine?

          Remember this Cheney needed a darn good reason to invade Iraq. And 9/11 wasn’t good enough so he created WMD’s to convince the public.
          Same BS, different day.

          • Doug Rodrigues

            You forgot to mention that Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Madeline Albright, et al, were saying that there were WMD in Iraq that had to be removed. Don’t try to rewrite history.

      • Wargi

        I do agree with lots of Ron Paul ideas, but not all. I also believe Cain has more realistic views of what can be accomplished, so I will vote for Cain and you go a head and vote for Paul.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Wargi… I find myself saying the exact same thing. I can agree with some of Ron Paul’s ideas, but not all of them. I know he has remained true to his beliefs, not flip-flopping, but he goes further than I think is safe for our country. Cain getting the Republican nomination is really going to stir up the black community. So many thought that Obama would be their savior and it’s not working out for them. Herman Cain is a realist from what I can see, and his background should be exciting for anyone who wasn’t born with a silver spoon in their mouth!

          • Raymond Agnew

            Yea lets elect former Private Federal Reserve Bank K.C. Chairman Herman McCain as POTUS then the Feudalist Private Global Banking Cartel will have total control because they will finally have one of thier own as POTUS !!! They already own & control the Media,Congress,The Courts,The State Department & the rest of The Federal Government!! Yes Vote for Slavery & Surfdom lets get it over with.

        • Bob

          I agree with Rom Paul on most things, but not national defense. Even on National defense Ron Paul would better than what we have.

          • Aix Sponsa

            “Better than what we have” is not just what we need. This Nation needs a strong Commander in Chief of a strong military. Someone who is willing to face every nation nose-to-nose. Lacking such, economics will be superfluous behind the smoke of muslim terrorist bombs right here in OUR NATION. Few look past the diversionary rhetoric to comprehend that the USA is in a dangerous situation militarily and politically, as well as financially. The nations of the world are laughing at the USA. Our CITIZENS are at the verge of losing our country and lifestyle as we have known it. If things don’t change soon, I predict civil war.

          • eddie47d

            Ron Paul believes in a very strong defense for the protection of this country. He also believes all other countries have a right to defend themselves and no one should dispute that. I believe he would build up our defenses in America and make us even more ready for anything that would come at us. What he is against is our foreign adventurism and draining our resources on other nations.He takes the act of war seriously and would respond accordingly.

          • Average Joe

            eddie47d,
            Dammit eddie, stop saying logical things…you’re starting to scare me now….and it’s about time! See, we can agree on some issues…scary huh? ;)

        • theotherrhalf

          OK

      • Patty

        Cain should be President and he should appoint Ron Paul as head of the Treasury Dept. All of the people running today should be appointed to his cabinet in the post/position best suited for them. Cain continues to say that you need to surround yourself with good people. They have some good people running, it is just that they could benefit this country in cabinet positions better than as President.

        • JoanBarry

          Patty, I agree. All the candidates who don’t receive the nomination for POTUS and VP (if they are truly sincere in what they are saying) should serve in positions in the administration commensurate with their skills under the newly elected President. We need them all the true constitutional conservatives to help return this country to it’s greatness, with a strong leader as President like Herman Cain.

          • theotherrhalf

            Yea Bachman & Romney can spearhead of the Department of Religious Education, 999 upside down.

      • Cliffystones

        Alex,

        I like both Ron Paul and Herman Cain. Just because Cain worked at the Federal Reserve doesn’t mean he’s one of the bad guys. I worked for GE for several years and I certainly don’t care for the way that they do business either. The up side to Cain working at the Fed is that he has insight as to what needs to be changed.

        Paul is absolutely dead-on with his platform. It’s his delivery and how he articulates his positions that bother some folks. The Iran nuclear comment is a prime example. I understood where he was coming from, but I cringed because I knew that the vast majority of simpletons out there would not.

        • Patriot II

          Cliffy,

          Well put!

        • Pepper

          Again People, Go research WHO and What and How the Federal Reserve works! Then get back to me! You have heard of the fox guarding the hen house?

          • VIC

            Let’s give CAIN the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he has a plan regarding the FR but won’t give us a clue until he is elected. Listen, the FR is very powerful and rich. John Kennedy was getting ready to sign control of the FR over to congress when he was killed. Then, LB Johnson would not sign the bill. So, I want to believe that CAIN is very well aware of the situation and will act when appropriate. I think he is very, very intelligent. I will vote for him and trust him.

      • JoanBarry

        The thread here is not about Ron Paul. He is a good man and has fought hard for his principles in Congress, but he is not the “leader” we need at this time and unfortunately he is not electable after his statement that it’s OK for Iran to make atomic weapons.

        • TML

          “his statement that it’s OK for Iran to make atomic weapons.”

          For anyone who is a constitutional conservative and believes in freedom and liberty; to say anything else would make that person a hypocrite.

          You can not stand for freesom and liberty in one hand while in the other seek to act as a despot and rule over other countries.

          • TML

            *freedom

    • Vagabond

      M.Alice. I am 76 white red kneck country boy from N.C. and I was never prejudiced till the likes of al sharpton jessie jackson louis farahkan and their ilke came on the scene. I admired Dr. Marten Luther King and I think Herman Cain is the best damned thing to come down the pike in my short life time. yes I do hope he is the nominee for the Republican party. but it wont happen the leadership in the GOP just seem to keep shooting themselves in the foot. I E last election,

      • Patty

        Make sure you vote in the PRIMARY. That is where the “pick” is decoded. VOTE YOUR PRIMARIES.

        • independant thinker

          Exactly. As I stated above Cain is not my first choice for the Republican candidate but he is infinately better than what we have now.

          • Aix Sponsa

            Cain, Allen Keyes, Col. West, etc.. there are many who would make good leaders. At least they have the integrity to stand up for what they believe and not waver.

    • http://huh? Rodger

      amen

    • rosina

      Agree Alice.
      Especially about two term Congress people and retirement on SS-the same one we are stuck with.
      I would hope also, that this EXECUTIVE Privilege be outlawed so that we can go back to three EQUAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT-as it was supposed to be, so that THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES–and one cannot takeover the other two and create a dictatorship, which this present one is doing every day.
      I would hope that a Republican President will do this.
      No more Rxecutive Orders.
      No more czars.
      Also, I think a ‘debate’ between Cain and the O would be an eye-opener.

  • AJ

    Janeane Garofalo noted Cain’s growing surge in early August by declaring on Keith Olbermann’s nightly hatefest: “Herman Cain… is being paid by somebody to be involved and to run for president.” She’s saying Cain is no more than a paid minstrel, dancing like a calliope monkey. For his part, Olbermann wondered if Cain suffers from “…delusions of grandeur or are (Republicans) just taking advantage of him?” OMG is Garofalo equating Cain to Obama? After all Obama is George Sorros’s hand puppet. He is Sorroses “paid minstrel, dancing like a calliope monkey.” And it is evident that Obama has delusions of grandeur. Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

    • Vic

      Didn’t Howard Cosell get fired for calling someone a monkey?

      • Aix Sponsa

        Times have changed. Now only the N word is off limits to whites. Blacks use it continually, and they can call us “crackers” etc. of course.

    • OldNYFirefighter

      The only monkey is Janeane Garofalo! She is an obnoxious person & way left Liberal/Progressive with the common sense of a flea. Anyone listening to her rants needs psychotherapy themselves. There is no such thing as a “perfect Candidate”. Some are better than others. Paul seems to prefer isolationism & there is no way that will work when you have rogue nations like N. Korea, Pakistan & Iran. Any one of these nations sees us as a big mouth coward, especially since Obama has been in office. Ignoring these countries will entice them to use nuclear weapons because they see Obama as weak & a paper tiger. Paul will ignore Iran until we have a nuclear detonation in this country, at least that is the impression he leaves me with. Cain & Paul have a lot in common as far as both believe in smaller government, are Constitutionalists & believe our Second Amendment rights should not be infringed. Neither are RINO’s & will try to restore Constitutional principles. Neither can do it if Socialist Democrats or RINO’s are left in Congress. It is up to us to make sure we replace as many of them as possible with Non-Politicians & Non-Lawyers or we will be in the same leaky boat.

  • Alex Frazier

    After carefully considering all the candidates, Ron Paul is the only one I have found to be a quality candidate.

    Bachman and Romney have both betrayed the public trust in voting for unconstitutional legislation; one for the Patriot Act that violates our fourth amendment right, and the other in imposing madated health care and voting for gun control legislation in violation of the second amendment. Cain, I believe, as Paul sarcastically stated, is a Federal Reserve inside man. I find the deliberate and conspicuous absence of any mention of his Federal Reserve experience in his campaign personally disturbing. Additionally, if anyone takes the time to do the math (adding together state and federal sales tax, state and federal income tax, state surtaxes, property taxes, excise taxes, etc.), depending on the state you’re in, his 9, 9, 9 plan imposes a collective 40-50% tax burden across the board, to all income classes. Although “fair,” it isn’t very realistic when lower class citizens barely make enough to survive paying virtually nothing in taxes at the present. And there’s nothing to stop the federal government from raising 9, 9, 9 to 15, 15, 15 or worse over the course of time. After all, income tax started at 1%. Gingrich is too wishy-washy. He has a history of voting for liberal legislation. Perry strikes me as hot-headed and perhaps a touch arrogant. While I have no personal gripe with the death penalty, I think the way he stood behind it, for example, gave off an air of “I won’t be proven wrong.” When one considers Texas, through the innocence program, has had quite a few convictions overturned, that’s not one of those hard lines you want to take. Santorum is for continuing the wars in the middle east, so he’s out of the race as far as I’m concerned.

    I think a Paul/Huntsman ticket is the way to go. I think they would be a powerful team.

    But all this careful thought and consideration was actually motivated by racism. I just don’t want the black man voted in.

    And if you believe that, I’ll give you a banana.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You are dreaming. Paul and Huntsman, neither one have a chance of being on the Republican ticket. You should find another candidate to support who is not off the deep end. If you do not, Romney will win the nomination, which leaves us with the choice of the lesser of two evils in November 2012. Gingrich is the most intelligent and knowledgeable of all of the other candidates put together.

      • Patty

        Cain is lacking in foriegn policy. He should appoint Gingrich to that post. He should surround himself with the best and the brightest. Gingrich would do well there.

        • s c

          Patty, elected leaders have a knack for attracting “advisors” whose rumps belong to ‘elite’ intellectual think tanks. They’ve had ready access to the W H and Congress for many generations.
          Obummer’s ‘source’ is Zbig. Gingrich is history. Let him stay there. He knows he’ll never get elected and take up space as a prez.
          Why saddle anyone with Gingrich? As long as a president (or a prez) is cursed with advisors who have already sold themselves, there is no way life will get better in America. A branch of those pimps cursed America with the Fed. Do I have to explain what’s wrong with the Fed?

        • Bob

          Gingrich is too much a RINO remember he brought us ETHANOL and all the billions of dollars damage is has done, and the environmjental damage, and just plane wast of money looking out for his BIG CORN buddies. As far as a running mate strong on international affairs, how about Allen West for VP. While I’m at it put Ron Paul in charge of the Federal Reserve, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio for Attorny General.

      • Robert

        What you miss is that Gingrich is a member of the world globalist elite as is Romney, you gain nothing by one over the other. However, since Ron Paul is not a globalist member, he has no chance. Do not know where Cain fits in yet.

      • Patriot II

        Capitalist at birth:

        I would prefer Newt to all of them, but he is probably unelectable because of his past and his past is probably the reason why he should be elected. Kinda danged if you do ,danged if you don’t!

        We can’t be Isolationinsts, and retreat to a Defensive only position.
        which is the reality of the way people are seeing in the Position Ron Paul is taking although he is right on Principal for sure.

        The best defense is a strong Offense, which we are doing with our military and have been doing since WW II, but we are not doing it the smart way, and we are over dsoing it. So Paul has an even bigger point than he relaizes, but he needs to lean a little more to the Offense side to be electable.

        In a Basket ball Game, Pauls team would be the one that stays under their own basket all the time, tries to keep the other team from scoring, but does not take the Ball down to the other side to score points. That is Noble if you want to save ther strength (Not spend Money) of your Team, but does not win the game, becuase you can count on the other Team slipping one by ya. I know alot of you will stand opposed to me on this philosophy and I hope you do, so we can have a constructive debate on that aspect.

        • Bob

          Newt is a RINO for one he gave ethanol and the disaster that is, looking out for his BIG CORN buddies. I don’t want him.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          While I agree with Ron Paul of most issues, his approach to Defense is what scares me. If Romney is the nominee, which the mainstream press, including FNC is trying to insure, this country is still in deep doo doo. One can only hope that our fellow Americans will come to their senses before it is too late. Cains answer to the question on who he would appoint as the Chairman of the Federal Reserve was most disappointing, to say the least. He is also a fan of the “Fair Tax”, of which I am not. There is no tax that is more regressive than sales taxes of any kind. It shifts the burden of taxation to the middle and lower income levels than income taxes. I would prefer a flat income tax with an exemption of the first (whatever amount seems reasonable) amount of income, with limited deductions (ALL Medical expenses including insurance and Medial savings accounts, State and Local Taxes, Home Mortgage interest with a limit, Charitable Contributions, and Non Reimbursed Business expenses, and Self Retirement contributions) with the elimination of FICA and Medicare taxes completely.

          • mickey

            So what is it that actually scares you about Paul and defense? We can’t keep bombing countries and spend money then expect revenue from trade. I have no problem with a strong home defense and taking to arms for those that threaten us. Even Kennedy didn’t fire the first bomb when Russia threatened so why are we bombing countries that aren’t threatening? We need to be ready, for sure, but why be so offensive to everyone?

            Look, we could be isolationist. We produce everything basic thing needed. We need trade to make production work in our favor. So Iran has nukes. Are they aimed at us or Israel? If Israel needs us, we fight. There is no reason to keep spending money on war when we don’t have any money. Constant wars doomed Russia and now we are doing the same thing.

          • TML

            Capitalist at Birth says “You should find another candidate to support who is not off the deep end.”
            Capitalist at Birth says “While I agree with Ron Paul of most issues, his approach to Defense is what scares me.”

            Your fear drives your reason, but at least you admit your hypocrisy

          • Average Joe

            TML,
            Are you kidding?….CaB has already called the police 4 times this week…because he thought his shadow was stalking him….. ;)

    • Vagabond

      alex you can quit campaigning for Ron Paul. yes Ron is a good man. but he has some ideas that turn people off. who the hell wants a President who thinks it’s ok for iran to get the nuclear bomb? thats not the only weird idea he has either but that’s the worst,

      • Alex Frazier

        People see one little surge in the polls, and all of a sudden they are for the new wind of change. I’m not a Ron Paul campaign person, or a groupie, or anything like that. I’ve done the homework, and I’m intelligent enough to understand these policies.

        When you folks criticize Paul’s foreign policy concerning Iran, what you all fail to acknowledge is that we are broke. Broke is broke is broke. It doesn’t matter how you try to justify continued military action, we are still broke.

        So IF we begin military action against Iran, that means no less than ten years worth of military spending (since it’s been ten thus far in Iraq, and we still aren’t gone from there). We spend something to the tune of a trillion dollars a year on our current military exploits.

        Since both the long term and immediate crisis in the United States is economic in nature, continued spending would be a disaster. According to Keynes’ own theory, government spending is the instrument by which inflation is effectuated. The purpose of inflation is to put idle cash to work; i.e. to confiscate savings that Keynes believed were counter productive to a healthy economy.

        According to the CPI, our rate of inflation had climbed to nearly 4% anually beginning the year Obama took office, up from a previous 2% approximate anual inflation. A 2% anual inflation causes a doubling of consumer prices within 36 years, which means at an average and managed inflation rate, you can expect to see the prices of things you purchased as a child almost triple by the time you’re a senior citizen. At 4% you can expect to see them quadruple or quintuple since the price doubles every 19 years at the higher rate.

        And it’s relatively common knowledge to anyone who keeps up with this stuff that our ACTUAL rate of inflation is closer to 9-10% due to manipulation of the CPI figures that don’t include certain products.

        War with Iran means that by 2032, we’ll be paying $10 for a gallon of milk, $8 for a gallon of gas, $4 for a loaf of bread, etc. And that’s only figuring at a 4% rate of inflation. It doesn’t address the actual rate. Nor does it take into account the compounding effect that’s already started with the interest payments on the bond maturities from all the money we’ve already borrowed. As things stand right now, from 2000 to present, I am paying three times as much for gasoline, twice as much for electricity, twice as much for a gallon of milk, three times as much for a pack of cigarettes, etc. The other day I bought a can of Hunt’s Tomato Sauce, and it cost me $1.28 when I used to buy the same can for $.58 in 2000. I still have the bill stubs and credit card receipts for all this stuff in a shoebox from 2000. I looked at them just the other week.

        So the fact is, inflation has gotten nasty already. We’re seeing price doubling over a mere span of ten years. Based on actual prices of actual things I have purchased myself, that’s an effective inflation rate of 9-10%. If that rate of price increase continues, a $.25 gumball will cost you $10.00 within the next forty years. It means that a $100 electric bill will cost you $260 by 2022, a mere ten years from now.

        I don’t like the idea of Iran having nuclear weapons any more than anyone else does. Ron Paul doesn’t like the idea either. But a war with Iran is going to keep us on the path to destruction. We can’t afford the war. That’s all there is to it.

        If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you.

        • mickey

          I don’t know where you live but the things I was buying for 4 for a $ are now $1.25 each. That’s just since obama has been in. lol

          • Average Joe

            And it’s going to get a lot worse…before it gets better.

            I am stocked for about 3-4 mos…and will continue until I have at least a 6 month supply of food…..when the SHTF…I’ll be eating…while those who don’t see what’s comming or simply shrug it off, (it can’t happen here mentality)will be fighting for every bite of food they can find after about two weeks. For those who may wish to share my food, you have two options…Option#1 What have you got to trade?( guns, ammo and other survival gear accepted) Option #2 How would you like my lead supplies administered unto you?..Shotgun,steel jacket or hollow point? Trying to get my food any other way than option #1, automatically sets in motion Option #2.

      • mickey

        How many other countries have nukes? We are the only country that used them.

      • TML

        “who the hell wants a President who thinks it’s ok for iran to get the nuclear bomb?”

        You mean, such as this President?

        “And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?

        Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.

        She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

        She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

        She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.

        She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

        Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

        But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

        She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

        She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

        She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

        She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

        The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force….

        She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit….

        [America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind.” – John Quincy Adams

    • Carl

      You are very delusional thinking that Huntsman, The Liberal should be on any ticket…………………

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Everyone:
    With the exception of Ron Paul, Herman cain is turning out to be an excellent candidate. As a matter of fact, he looked the best in the last debate. Maybe, Herman Cain and Ron Paul could form a ticket to
    win in 2012. Let pray so. Thanks!!

  • CP

    I will say Mr. Cain is the perfect conservative. He “saved” a business, but how many people did he put out of work while “saving” the root business? When you close or force out of business a quarter of your stores, that says a lot about your plans for the country as a whole. This is the man who will close social security because it isn’t profitable, and will probably do much the same for any other office that might be set up to help the poor. I have heard a few words out of his mouth, and read a lot more, and am so glad the ultra right, such as the publisher of this magazine, love him. I do NOT like Obama, but will vote for him before Cain.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Once again, you prove your ignorance and stupidity. Why are you on this site in the first place?

    • Vagabond

      CP the better question would be how many people kept jobs because of his actions.

    • DonnieB

      CP, you will (with your vote) ‘cut off your nose to spite your face’? So you think that a presidential candidate (back in the day)should have said , “I won’t put these buggy whip manufacture res workers out of work”? This sort of logic is what leads to the problems we have now. Crony Capitalism. Read the Constitution, the governments shouldn’t be involved with picking winners and losers in business. The FEDERAL government has very few mandate or even allowed function. Most of those functions involve protection of its citizens.

    • s c

      C, your rant labels you a ‘perfect utopian.’ The fact that Cain saved a business puts him head-and-shoulders over and above the LOSER who doubles as your current false god. At least Cain has REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE. Your false god has theory and wacked-out followers. BFD!
      Like icon, like follower, eh? We didn’t get anything with Obummer, and you seem most content being a willing flunky for that posing, non-leader LOSER. What an accomplishment. May you two be happy together – somewhere else.

      • justlittleoleme

        People why are we downing everyone here. We are all trying to come down to the best candidate. Let us point out things nicely. Realizing we are all human beings who make mistakes. Make this a learning process and not a battle. Stop calling names or putting others down. Let us use this mind setting. How about this we say what we like and don’t like about candidates and then keep an open mind to what others are saying. Research ourselves and respect others for whom they will vote. I have faith in Americans that we will come to the right decision. Let us not get stuck on someone and start battling each other but debate in a healthy manner. Let us hold the candidates to the fire. If we get stuck on one person right now we haven’t held them to the fire and it only becomes a war with words and not a learning background. Most of all pray on the matter since God knows all. Those of you who don’t believe in God go with your gut. Isn’t it great that we live in a diverse country? Go America. We can get it right this time.

    • Ted Crawford

      CP
      If you had a Cancer in your foot would you demand that it be removed so you might still survive, or would you allow it to grow and destroy your entire body? A portionof a company that is closed can, when the company becomes profitable again, be reopened. If the compaany fails then, not only that small portion of people will lose their jobs but, everyone within the company will be unemployed!

    • Patriot II

      CP, He was there to prune a tree. You don’t cry for the dead unproductive branches after you cut them out. Dead unproductive branches do not produce fruit. Trimming dead unproductive branches out of all Gov would make us productive, just as it did for those businesses! Are you one of those people that think the reason people are in business is to create jobs for people rather than make a profit?

      That is what is wrong in this country, Ignorant people (Libs and Dems)
      think it is the Government’s job to create Jobs. That is the whole Problem in a nut shell. We need to be talking about being productive And concentrate on that, which will bring growth. Amazingly simple!

      • Aix Sponsa

        True. Unfortunately 50% of the American people are lazy bums who expect the rest of us to pull their weight. I’d like to think only 20% but if you experience the “common lower class” across the USA, observance gives knowledge. Learn from the experience of others… observe the nations of the world who have gone from abundance to poverty, and DO NOT DO WHAT THEY DID. (but we are)

      • mickey

        This is true. Basically the US was a great market incentive to other countries, we have an infrasture to die for, we had money to spend. Now we are over saturated with products. I have five microwaves for one person, six tvs. We had a demand for our products. Now it is a supply that has overburdened us. Supply side economics does not produce the higher profit, fast food and filling stations do, but that is another story.

        We need education to compete and to produce for developing countries. As long as we keep bombing them, we will have no market. While we spend money on bombs, Russia and China are out looking for trade in the very countries we bomb. So where are the jobs going? To other countries.

        • eddie47d

          That was brought up yesterday Mickey.Why did China get the mineral rights in Afghanistan while we are doing the fighting for that countries survival. The corrupt Kabul government made the deal when China gave the lowest bid. Capitalism and back room deals at it’s finest.

  • s c

    Ben, utopians have devolved enough that something most interesting is in their near future. As a group, utopians attract a wide variety of ‘types,’ and they’ve been able to play their game for many years and get away with it. Now, because of their wannabe “infallible” approach to race, they have put themselves into a corner.
    Very soon, they’re going to have to CHOOSE (LOVE that word) between blacks and hispanics. One group will get ‘most favored status,’ and the other will get a much-needed slap in the face. The slap won’t be dished out due to “social justice,” so to speak. The intended recipients need to be aware of the inherently immoral and defective mentality that makes up the utopian psyche.
    It truly stinks, it preaches equality, but uses pc techniques and an approach that would make Hitler and Lenin proud.
    ANY cause that celebrates the idea that NO black can be a conservative, NO woman can be a conservative and the idea that NO ONE who has a conscience can be a conservative amounts to a plan that has a built-in time bomb in it. The inevitable result is simply a matter of time. BOOM! At long last, B O O M !

  • Scott

    Herman Cain helped save Godfathers Pizza from extinction and I think that he can do the same to save our country from being owned by China. He backs Israel and doesn’t care about the well being of terrorists. He would cut the military loose to get this war on terror over with for good.

    • Vic Bailey

      Big difference in saving a company and saving a country that you DON’T have the experience! Also to Vote for Cain is a Vote for The New World Order, UN Agenda 21, Federal Reserve as is(destroying our country), Big Government! I’ll stick with Ron Paul, that believes in our Constitution and the people and NOT the government! Semper Fi.

      • Aix Sponsa

        What American Citizens MUST come to realize is that the very FIRST step to saving this nation is a strong COMMANDER IN CHIEF. The entire political system is trying to convince everyone that economics is the primary step… wrong… It is important, but we must be respected in order to be the world’s leader. Respect is the basis of our money value in the world. Right now the USA is losing respect exponentially.

        • mickey

          Yes, we need a leader not a controller. As far as respect, we have control over that–each of us. Too many are still looking at the government to tell us what to do when we know how to spend our money ourselves and whether to buy bread or chips. Respect begins at home, not with the government.

    • mickey

      So just what is the “war on terrorists”? We have Clyburn, comrade Waters, etc calling TPers terrorists. If you look at the old films from the 60′s and 70′s, you will hear all the talk about terroists. We’ve always had people who would do us harm but look at who is saying it and who is profiting from it. It certainly isn’t us–we are being divided neighbor by neighbor, slowly but surely, we will be reporting our neighbor for any infraction.

    • TML

      “Herman Cain helped save Godfathers Pizza”

      Seriously? OMG… he saved a pizza business, he MUST be able to save the country.

      Yes… that’s sarcasm

      • libertytrain

        well at least he actually worked in a business and saved a business….unlike some people……. :)

        • TML

          It’s ashame some people consider the government a business.

  • Terry MD

    If you study Cain’s background, he is a product of the Federal Reserve and will do more of the same of of what this country has been getting. Anybody who defends the Federal Reserve is no friend of the Constitution or the American people, they are a friend of the banking cartels. The Fed came into power with deception and a lie and has been stealing from the people since 1913. Was never ratified by the states and took 20 years to bankrupt the country from its corrupt beginning. The first partial audit shows all types of corrupt dealings. For Cain to lie during the debate when questioned by Paul shows me even more of his deception and that he would care about the people and the constitution about as much as Obama. Wake up America to who the lame stream media is telling should be the nominee and pick the candidate who represents true principles, not just wears a suit and is good at being a liar.

  • WYOMING COWBOY

    Mr. Cain is a true gentleman. I will vote for Mr. Herman Cain. O’Donnell is nothing but a third class jerk. You are right Mr. Crystal. I would have knocked his teeth out. I don’t possess as much self control and respect as Mr. Cain showed O’Donnell. And garofalo….barely merits mention. Did I say “PIG?” Where is the lipstick? As the old saying goes, “It’s hard to soar with the eagles, when you have to work with the turkeys!” Mr. Cain exhibited the ultimate in composure and courtesy. Certainly, unlike his critics.

  • oldbill

    9-9-9 would be the most regressive tax increase in history. It would be a fantastic boon for high income earners, and the deathblow to savers. Recall the 10% luxury tax on yachts by Bush I. 100,000 people were put out of work and ten thousand businesses went bankrupt. That was an excellent example of how a national tax on sales can kill commerce.

    A family of four with a modest income of $100,000 would see their taxes increase 40%.

    I’m ready for 9-9-9. Are you?

    • Sam I am

      None of these idiots get it!! We need SPENDING CUTS and ABOLISHMENT OF THE FED not TAX INCREASES that just get carted off to the provate federal reserve.

    • Average Joe

      oldbill,

      Am I ready for 999?….Not in this life. Please take the time to go down to the bottom of the page and read my post with a link exposing the 999 plan for what it really is.
      Also, since it will be an “Act of Congress” that would implement it, what makes you think that they can’t keep upping the percentage whenever they decide that they need more money to spend?(like everytime they pass anything…they always need more of our money).
      Spending is the problem, plain and simple….they get plenty of tax money…but the continue to spend more than they take in.Somewhere along the line, you must say enough is enough…period…stop the spending!

  • oldbill

    I’m white, sixty-four and I grew up in Atlanta. I was in the last segregated high school class in Decatur, Georgia. Politically I way to the right of ultra-conservatives. However, playing the cards we are dealt, I want the best choice of candidates between the Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and other parties.

    I would have no issues voting for Herman Cain for President. We have no way of knowing what the practical issues of politics would do to him, I an confident that he would enter the office with oneness of purpose, and not become a different purpose once he is elected.

    As to whether or not Mr. Cain has foreign policy credentials, his company, Godfather Pizza delivered Pizzas to the worst housing project on earth, Eastlake Meadows. If he successfully handled this, he would have no problems at all dealing with the Palestinians or the Iranians.

  • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

    The fact that his “economic advisor” turns out to be yet another Fed Crony does not endear him to me – Cain has flat out lied rather than recanted his calls for making the Fed transparent. I would – in a sense – concur that the Fed does not need to be audited – but not in the evasive manner Cain says – what is needed is for the Fed to be coerced into fully disclosing its internal audits so everyone can clearly see what a FRAUD it really is.

    I am no Paul sycophant – there are position he takes that I deem less than ideal – but pragmatism says he is the best we have going.

  • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

    positions*

  • http://none BAP362

    Herman Cains 9-9-9 is going to severly hurt poor people at the grocery store. Most lower income people spend a big chunk of their income on food. Here in Illinois the tax on food will increase 9 times from 1 per cent to 9. How would you like buying a 200,000 dollar house and pay 18,000 in sales tax. I wonder what that will do to the housing market.

    • Wargi

      Is that a new house or a used house? If its new, yes it is $18,000, but if it is a used / resold home it is “ZERO” listen closely and if you can sit down and really look at the numbers. If you are worried about the tax on food then you have been using my tax money to supplement your life and now it is time for you to start paying for youself.

      • mickey

        I worked 3 jobs most of my life. I figured one was for expenses, housing, etc, one was for tax, and the other was what we had as discretionary income. At that, I figured I was lucky to keep 35% of my income. Now I live for $25 extra a month while my retirement income is reduced 17%, 7 state and 10 Fed, every month plus the utility taxes, road taxes, local taxes.

        • Aix Sponsa

          AMEN brother. That dollar we worked for and saved now is worth about 3 cents.

          • mickey

            Yes, and it is due to inflation not in value.

    • Patriot II

      BAP,

      If the exemptions to the 999 were groceries and a basic poverty level exemption that was eaqual for all would you be for it?

      • mickey

        The basic premise for taxes is to pay for things we need as a community and are unable to perform ourselves. We need to look at what we need (just like the states) and live within what we can afford. Why welfare? Without it, the boomers survived. So why are 50% not working? Minimum wage and the interference by government has a lot to do with it.

        For example, if we were to go “green”, we would live like the Amish, no utility bills. No utility bills and more employees on the street. If we all have electric cars, then the corn industry, the oil industry goes bust.

        • Aix Sponsa

          Hey, does anybody realize that the population is growning exponentially, and that right now there is less than 3 weeks food reserve for the United States? That FEMA is buying survival food at unprecidented rates? We are a nation/world of consumers who are wasting everything at an ever increasing rate. Look at the “land fill mountains” being created. It won’t be long and this nation will be sitting in the dark and walking, and protecting your home gardens from looters. Wake up America. It is later than you think.

          • mickey

            Yes, we are in trouble. Anyone that hasn’t stocked up on food will know it. I started back when obama went into office. I’m an oldie and know how to survive but these last generations poo pooed their elders and now don’t know how to take care of themselves. The worse part is it won’t be the neighbor who invades that home garden, it will be those on food stamps that think they should have more.

        • Patriot II

          Excellent Point Mickey!!

  • Sam I am

    Come on, everyone knows blacks who are conservative are uncle Tom traitors to their race and their family. They might as well have run their brothers and sisters in the back with a knife.

    • mickey

      Funny, most blacks I know (even the so called hispanics) are working poor with conservative values in the home. (Welfare excepted, but that is both black and white) Why they continue to vote socialist, I do not know.

      • Patriot II

        mickey, It is becuase they are misinformed, buyt he Liberal media, who work for Obama and the Libs, who work for OWG to cause internal strife so that we can fail as a nation so they can expoit us even more. Pretty simple huh!

        • mickey

          Nah, the liberal media is only part of it. It’s the local leaders that keep it going along with the Sharpton’s, Jackson, etc. Slowly blacks are beginning to realize that these leaders go home to mansions while they are left in the ghettos. No climbing out of it without a change in mindset.

          • Patriot II

            Mickey: I agree, and pray that they will slowly rise up out of the pit that Al, Jessie, and the like continue to try to keep them in., and realize that.

      • Aix Sponsa

        Why they vote socialist? The same reason they play the lottery. Hoping to get something for nothing, because that is their only hope of a better life.

        • mickey

          I would rather say it was their teachings and not hope. Teachings are a limator, hope is not.

    • Walt

      It seems to me that conservative blacks are the only blacks with intelligence to get ahead and earn their rightful place in American society.

      Blacks who advocate “redistribution” (taking from achievers to give to non-achievers), socialism, reparations, etc. are simply blacks who lack the intelligence to compete in society on an equal footing. Their answer for their lack of hard work, discipline and intelligence is to cry out that white society is unfair and racist.

      Socio-economic inequality is not just based on skin color. Many folks from India are darker than many African-Americans and still compete sucessfully in American society. How many folks from India do you see on welfare, in prison or handicapped by drugs? Miniscule if any.

      Cain should be a proud example to African-Americans on how a black man can rise up from poverty to achieve greatness in American society. Instead he is called an “Uncle Tom”?

      Shame on you.

      • mickey

        Hmmm didn’t Lincoln do this? It doesn’t matter, we just need equal opportunity for the doors but it will not happen as long as civil leaders divide on color. Asians beat the crap out of us and many came here without one word of English, no separate classes in two languages either.

        lol I know white people that are darker than blacks. There are just those that let something (anything) get in their way of success and there are those that don’t. Success can be as much as Cain accomplished and as little as raising a family without drugs or prison sentences and working.

  • Jonn

    I’m a 63 year old baby boomer military brat independent who realizes we have all been duped by the gop and main stream media, including Fox,for many years. In Dr.Ron Paul, we finally have a chance to elect a very HONEST, true constitutional conservative. All these “polls” are skewed because the establishment is scared to death of Ron Paul. You’ll never hear them try to debate him on the issues because they can’t win. Many Americans are fast catching on to the scam. Come voting time, true patriots, college students, military personnel, anti-war people, anti-drug war people, sound money people, anti-fed people and many people who have never voted before will come out of the woodwork for Dr.Ron Paul, not Herman Cain.

    • mickey

      I certainly hope you are right. He knows the ropes and knows what needs fixed. Instead of government, people are still in the mind set that government is a social club.

    • bob wire

      WOW! a breath of fresh air just blew in! I didn’t think I’d live long enough to ever hear that!

      Good for you Jonn! I’m a class of 65 myself and a VFW.

      My major concern with Ron Paul is can he be effective? For as we see today entrenched power on Capital Hill has the nation held to zero yardage while the rest of the world moves on. We are stuck in a quagmire of disingenuous rhetorical political rhetoric while dark cloud gather and block the sun.

      • mickey

        The pols will adjust. We all will have to adjust to doing more with less. Do I think he will be effective? Yes, he knows who the players are and how to deal with them. He will be a leader and not a media hog for the sake of art.

        • bob wire

          I hope you are right. ~ but that not being a media hog i like but it could cause him problems. Maybe Cain will let that mouth overload his a$$ets in the run up to the primaries.

          Whoever the final candidate might be, they will be going head to head with Obama on the ‘issues’. I don’t see Cain skating through that encounter or Ron Paul for that matter.

    • Patriot II

      John, I apprecite your effort but you are not making any sense.
      There is no Doubt that the Main stream Media is clearly opposed to the GOP who are made up of Conservatives like Ron Paul. Do you even watch Fox news? Do you know who the Tea Party is and what they stand for? The Tea Party is constantly being brought to the forefront of the News with Fox News. Ron Pauls son Rand is a Huge Tea Partier.

      I am in Line with the Tea Party, and I get informed about all the good they do by Fox News. The Mainstream Media attacks the Tea Party.

      Are you confused? you must be thinking that College students will vote for Ron Paul Lol! some might, butin my opinion, the overwhelming Population of college students are Liberls becuase that is what the Colleges teach them.

      • mickey

        Oh, I think they will vote Paul. They have seen what has happened in these last years with obama and no jobs after all that money spent. College life only lasts so long and not being able to get jobs to help them through brings a lot of reality to light. Plus the stupid teachers tearing up property in WI didn’t help the comrades. Liberals are not all that bad but the socialists are showing their true colors. There is a turning point for all of us and I think WI and the NY fiasco is the time.

        • Aix Sponsa

          Listen, college students want good jobs, and they believe that government makes jobs. ONe problem our nation has is that because of the VietNam war we gave 18 yr olds the right to vote. If they can die, they should vote, right? Trouble is that the hippies of the sixties are running this country, their children and grandchildren are voting. 98% of 18 yr olds are just children. They have little or no understanding of political matters, and are swayed by the fancy political rhetoric and pretty faces of politics. They were not taught and have no understanding of the foundation of this Nation nor any even half-way reasonable understanding of the Constitution or the economics system of a business/nation. Most cannot even balance a checkbook, and few respct a credit card. In fact, half cannot read, write, and do simple math without a calculator. The “great social experiment of the ’60s has come to fruitition.” Our country is morally, socially, economically, and spiritually bankrupt. As a Nation we have sown the seed of destruction and now we must reap that harvest. God help us.

          • mickey

            And government took a lot of that away from kids. I lived the 60′s, more importantly, I lived the 50′s. We all had jobs as children, now it is child abuse to expect a child to be productive, have pride in work done. I remember when CA was a drawing that kids went to to return home to sanity. Now CA is home.

    • Vic Bailey

      I agree with you John, just like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would NEVER stand a chance in this day and age, because people are TOO stupid to know what is good for them, they have to take the word of the Bias Lying Socialist Media, because they are too lazy to check a REAL Candidate’s Record, Ron’s is SPOTLESS and Above Reproach. Yet the dumbass people believe the media! America loses! Just like the last time the media BLINDED the people with the BRIGHTNESS of Bama, WELL, Where is all of that brightness now? Semper Fi.

  • Had it

    It is probably too late to hope for a George Washington to show up, but that is what this country needs in a president, TRUTH NOT BS, COMMON SENSE NOT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. We seem to be slow to get smart.

    • Alex

      Slaveowners need not apply.

      • mickey

        We are all slaves now so that is a mute point. Besides, blacks weren’t the only ones under slavery, just that term caught on and propagated by terminology and not by reality. Those coming across the border are the new ones and blacks turn a blind eye to the human trafficking, the sex traffice, etc, and not one word from the blacks so their day is over.

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    why do we give american taxpayer money to foreign countries? it should be ours to keep. Perry will rise again

  • Alex

    Isn’t it cool that Ron Reagan is SO much smarter than his evil father?

    • Capitalist at Birth

      According to whom?

    • Patriot II

      Alex, you are using sarcasm right?

  • mickey

    I’m only some what impressed with Cain. I agree the left is paranoid about what makes a good candidate, lol, based on skin color. That said, the FED government is not an easy task to turn around. There are the czars that want to expand their control, we have politics in every corner. The Fed is not like a giant corporation where your word goes. I admire Cain for what he did but we have already had one inexperienced, learn on the job, in the WH.

    While I wouldn’t vote for Hillary now, she at least knew how to govern and organize on the ground running.

    As far as Paul and Iran with a nuke, well, how many countries have them now? And we are the only country to have used them. We are in the ME to test Russia, to see if Russia would threaten us if we went in. We went into Kuwait and Iraq as paid military for the Saudis so they wouldn’t get their hands dirty.

    the more I look at 911 tapes, the more I read, the more photos I see, I find it next to impossible for the Towers to have come down with the airplanes. Why didn’t the Pentagon collapse the same way?

    Are we supposed to go in and bomb an entire state because some fool planted a bomb in one of the cities? Think about it, we took out US friendly, albeit, despots, leaders and are continuing to do so while the spread of radicals is welcomed by obama into the US.

    These continuous wars are doing no less than spreading control of radical Islam throughout the world. Europe is at least getting smarter with their migration policies while the US is spreading Islam and sharia law???

    I’m not really against Cain, just need someone in there that knows the ropes. Career politicians can be replaced and many in the Repub party have as much to fear in losing their jobs as the comrades on the other side. Too much money is in the voting process on both sides.

    Money is just another type of Ponzi scheme. Every time it changes hands, it is taxed. The 999 doesn’t do much for me since the next time they want something else, they will raise the 999 to 12 12 12. I remember when my state started the 1% state tax-a temporary tax, now it is 7% plus all the local taxes added in. It won’t end until the FED is gone.

    On another note, why do we need so many reps? We have great communications now, so why do we need to continue to pay so many?

    • OldNYFirefighter

      Trying to compare the Pentagon with the Twin Towers is like comparing eggs to a bowling ball. Two distinctly different structures. The Pentagon did collapse where the plane hit & entered & it was a hardened structure, unlike the Twin Towers. It was 4 or 5 stories & all collapsed into the impact area. The Twin Towers were designed to withstand the impact of aircraft in service at the time they were built, not aircraft today wiich is 4 to 5 times larger, heaver & with 5 or6 times as much fuel on board.. The design of the towers is such that the impact severed much of the supporting superstructure, which was external. Beams do not have to melt to fail, just soften enough to sag & shear connectors (bolts or rivets)that hold them together. Being a firefighter for over 40 years has proven these fact from actually seeing similar results in structure fires. You will also note that buildings continue to fall for many days after an earthquake, not just during the quake. They fail due to damage that finally over-stresses the structural integrity of the materials used to construct them. I along with other firefighters have watched video from multi-angles hundreds of times trying find suspect evidence of explosive demolition & haven’t found any to support that theory. Building demolition never starts at the top or midpoint of a building, it always starts at the bottom. This collapse started at the points of impact, not above or below them. Watch the videos frame by frame to see the starting point of each collapse. The debris seemingly blown out was from air being compressed as each floor collapsed on the ones below it, as well as ruptured natural gas lines. Talk to some structural engineers before making a decision based on speculation. If I thought our government destroyed it, I would be demanding restitution for the families of Brother Firemen that died in that collapse.

  • bob wire

    I read the first 3 paragraph and thought who in the hell wrote this crap! ~ and so I looked to see. ~

    When will I ever learn to look first!

    As always, “Over the top Ben!”

    Well, someone on the staff had to write about Cain’s at this point, it might as well be you as I take you both equally serious.

    Cain will work for good media interest, giving the talking heads good air time. Leno and Letterman is always looking for timely material.

    And too, Americans that voted in “W” for two terms makes anything a possibility.

    It’s a good thing that a lifetime is so short sometimes. I think I’ll run out and max out my credit limit today. I feel frisky.

  • http://aaachoicerealty.com Joan H. Brown

    I am a devout Mitt Romney supporter. He is the most like Ronald
    Reagan, whom I consider America’s greatest President. Mitt Romney’s
    Dad was head of American Motors and when Chrysler was about to fail,
    George Romney took over Chrysler and made it one of the most successful auto makers in history. I believe that Mitt, a great problem solver, can take over our failing country and make it great again. At Mitt’s suggestion, his wife, Ann had a muscular problem and he suggested she take up horseback riding. Ann went on to win the U. S. Olympic Gold Medal in Horsemanship.

    As a Georgian, I am very proud of Herman Cain and believe he would
    make a good President or Vice President. He passed so many hurdles
    in his life to be where he is today. Should Mitt win the Presidency,
    I would like to see him considered for Vice President or Secretary of Commerce.

    I am also impressed with Rick Santorium. He is an impressive and
    brilliant candidate.

    • http://Personalliberty Tony

      To Mrs. Brown:
      No disrespect intended but Mitt Romney is not an effective nor electable candidate. If you analyze his record it’s not too good. For example, when he was the ceo of the Bain Corp. he laid off 3,000-5,000
      workers. He cut wages by 5% and benefits by 10%. The ironic thing, the Bain corp made a 25% profit. Then, when he was the governor of Mass., this state was in the bottom five of job creation. In addition, that nerdy individual Mike Dukakis created three times more jobs then Romney did. Finally, Romney care is the basis for Obamacare.
      Heck, Romney advisors assisted the Obama administration with this. Finally, Mitt Romney advocated to let the Auto industry collapse. If that would of occured, we would be in a very deep depression. Thus, in a debate with Obama,Romney would be creamed. Now, Herman Cain has created 25,000-30,000 jobs through his business ventures. Also, he turned around the fed. reserve in K.C. In addition, i can be corrected if wrong, but i heard he was the two time mayor of Macon, Ga. where he turned that city’s budget to be productive. Therefore, Herman cain would be more viable than Romney for the Repub. nomination. Actually, Romney would be better as the Commerce sec. Alright, thanks for your time. Cain and Paul unified in struggle in 2012. Thanks!!

  • Jim

    The color of anyone’s skin makes no difference to me. I would vote for any color – white, black, yellow, striped, polka dot, green. AS LONG AS HE/SHE LED THE COUNTRY!! We neaed a leader not an apologist or continual campaigner.
    Herman Cain has some good ideas and puts them out there. Romney is going to put his forth soon. He and Perry are fighting each other and some others are doing the same. We need one who will work instead of gouging.
    Cain is the only one I like and will vote for.
    Ron Paul says other countries making the bomb is none of our concern. Anything that can be used against us or our allies IS our concern. It is not like the cold war when we and Russia were the only ones who had it. We cannot be lax in our defense.

    • mickey

      I think you have misunderstood Paul. He is for a strong defense but for us and not the world’s unpaid policeman. Most countries have bombs of some sort, lol, it is the stick and rocks and body blower uppers that are winning and a bigger threat than nukes.

      We were uninvited in most of these wars, perpetrators, not defenders. We thumb our noses at wars where people are slaughterd by machetes yet go in full force over politics. Oil isn’t even an issue any more since we now know we have plenty and so does Canada and Mexico.

  • Morduin00

    Cain seems to me to be a good man and a strong candidate.

    All of you NWO types that also complain about the fed, how come there is no mention here of Paul being a Freemason? Aren’t they part of the NWO crowd?

    If you ever listen to what Cain said, his 9-9-9 plan is a stepping stone to the fair tax. It is anticipated that removing the current tax code, with its innumberable taxes, would in and of itself reduce the cost of goods by an amount more than the proposed 9% fed sales tax proposed in the 9-9-9 plan would increase prices. Currently we are already paying at the register for our current taxes… before we even hit the sales tax. For example, look at your cell phone bill. How many taxes are imbedded in there? How much of your gasoline costs are built in taxes? Here in PA, gas taxes are around 44%. I would take Herman Cain’s 9% national sales tax plus my 6% state sales tax over the current 44% anytime.

    How many of you that are commenting on

  • Anthony A Capobianco

    Cain and his 999 plan need to be put into action now! The American people need help now! Otherwise, by Cain not coming forth now, tells me that he is not sincere and honest about what he preaches while out campaigning. Just like all the rest of the 2012 presidential election nominees.

  • Patriot

    Cain views mostly mirror my own, he is a self made man with solid principles and has always told the truth! Our country needs to get back to commonsense principles and solid core values. I have not made up my mind yet, but; I really like what I am hearing from Mr. Cain. Besides I would like to see someone other than a career politician in the White House. When both sides of the political establishment in addition to the our “National Media” are trying to trash Mr. Cain, then I know we are on the right track. Lets’ see how this plays out and back anyone but Obama! We need to save our country, Now!

  • James

    Contrary to what DanB said, I think Michelle Bachmann could win hands down. Her pledge to walk into the EPA office, turn off the lights and tell everybody there, their fired, and to repeal Obamacare, would capture the votes of all conservatives, and certainly all white women.

    • mickey

      While I agree the EPA needs new leadership, I’m not convinced it should be done away with. Just since Monsanto, et al, have been in charge of our food, I’ve noticed a great change in the close fields. Hardly any mice, hardly any bees (they disappeared and are now black and white). All this crap is in the run off of fields into drinking water. Companies used to dump everything into the rivers, now the farmers are.

      OTOH, this crap of going after “raw milk” producers and any one else that tries to look out after his/her health, needs to stop.

      • Aix Sponsa

        Hey, I agree that the CDC, FDA, EPA, etc. need to have their plugs pulled. Their facist dictatorship BS needs clipping immediately. BUT they do “some beneficial acts” that cannot be eliminated.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Question: How do you think the muslim world would respond to a female president going toe-to-toe and eye-to-eye with them in issues of nukes, terrorism, etc. They tolerated Albright and Clinton…. but a female president as the most powerful person in the world..? The USA is not an isolationist Nation and never will be.

      • mickey

        The same as they would tolerate a female doctor if their lives depended on them Ever notice how many Indian (from India) doctors here are female?

  • Dreamtime

    If Cain’s 999 plan was implemented it could be one of the worst things to every happen to America. ADDING a national sales tax to the already existing income and corporate tax will INCREASE government’s taxation POWER. Every program that the Federal government implements GROWS, history has proven this. The 999 tax will become the 10-10-10 tax and then the 11-11-11 tax. You’ll be paying taxes on your home and food and everything you buy. In addition to income tax, if you own a business, you will be the tax collector for the federal government. This ADDS to their power and will put even more burden on your buinesses. Cain was the head of the FED in Kansas. This guy is an insider. His skin color doesn’t matter AT ALL!

    • Morduin00

      In the debate, Mr. Cain stated several checks and balances that would be in place to prevent tax creep under his 9-9-9 plan. If you did not see the debate, the checks and balances were the following… super-majority vote in congress to raise the taxes (built into the 9-9-9 plan), his oath to veto any such bill, and one other… that I cannot at this time recall (sorry). Remember the 9-9-9 plan is only a stepping stone to the fair tax.

      As far as being an insider, you can make that claim on anyone that runs for the office of president.

      • mickey

        They all seem to like to talk about tax. But why do we have a tax??? Partly to pay their salaries. Have you heard anyone but Paul give part of his back?

        • Morduin00

          The founding fathers favored a consumption tax to provide for the general running of federal government and the SPECIFIC responsibilities afforded the fed under the constitution (eg the common defense). It wasn’t until 1913 and the 16th amendment that the income tax was implemented.

          The founders never intended service in the federal govt to be a career but a duty. Time to elect a congress that feels the same way.

          • mickey

            Time to limit the number of representatives so no state has an unequal representation. I don’t think our forefathers thought about the movement of people to influence elections.

          • Morduin00

            @Mickey

            The did do that. It was enumerated in Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution. It was meant to be based on population. The House of Representatives were intended to reflect the will of the people. However, I don’t think they imagined the redistricting that is going on now… however, that is more a state’s rights issue.

            In addition, the Senate was not intended to be elected by popular vote but rather by the legislature of their state. The senate was intended to represent a state’s interest in the federal govt. Unfortunately, that was changed in the 17th Amendment.

            IMO, we need to have the 17th amendment repealed.

          • mickey

            Morduin, let’s face it, the movement of people skew the representation. We need to limit the reps for districts (enlarge the districts). We are no longer represented equally by state if CA and NY have the larger percent of reps. What they say, goes. If illegals are granted benefits in CA, ok, but it should not influence what other states do. This can only happen if CA has a larger support (vote) in the House. I agree, the Senate should be made up of state’s interests and not act as reps.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Huckabee’s Fair Tax is the model to strive for. I wish he were electable.

    • AVCurmudgeon

      OK, pay attention because I only want to have to say this once: Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is not “in addition to” the existing taxes, but in place of them. Overall, if fully implemented, it would significantly reduce the overall tax burden (essentially, 17% tax as against 35% or more).

      Is it realistic? As a stepping-stone toward a flat tax (which Cain says is his goal) it makes sense. Art Laffer agrees it would boost the economy. Will Congress pass it in Cain’s form? Who knows? Will some future Congress monkey with it? Probably. That’s what Congress does.

      As others have pointed out, the virtue in “9-9-9″ is that Cain is putting forward a clear plan. Like it or hate it, he’s taking the risk of doing so, just as Ryan took a risk in putting his budget forward earlier this year. If you want candidates who mumble generalities, vote for Romney. If you want a guy who is willing to put his cards on the table, vote for Cain. If you want perfection, just stay home and look in the mirror.

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    the most important thing right now is to get mr 747 out of office and go to a day care center and replace him with someone with common sense and american values
    semper fi

  • Landrew115

    If anyone has taken the time to stop and listen to all of the candidates you will notice that not one of the candidate actually answers a question directly except Mr. Cain. If you listen to Romney he deflects a direct question with rhetoric. Cain will state if he doesn’t know the answer and that he would get smart people to help him get the answer. The rest of the candidates give you a rhetorical answer. They will tell you what they think you want to hear but won’t tell you how (that is because they don’t know). Not one of the candidates can actually give a straight answer on any question because they honestly don’t have an answer (mainly because they are clueless due to lack of information or access to information) but you will never hear them say that. Cain at least tells what process he would use. No one else does that. So they pick on him because he gives a method. One they don’t have or understand. Except for Cain not one of the other candidates explains what they will do or how they will do it. Not one of them. Cain be it right or wrong has an approach. Show me one other candidate that does and does it openly. I don’t feel like I am being snookered by Cain. All of the others have at least a bit of political background which automatically makes them from my viewpoint untrustworthy. They speak with forked tongue because they don’t want to be pegged down about anything so they keep everything very vague and subject to interpretation. If one interprets incorrectly well that is not what was meant so on and so on.

    • mickey

      There is just so much about the government most do not understand. To speak in specifics without the actual knowlege, we have campaigners. One has to move around government positions to know how the whole system works. These candidates don’t have enough information to make a binding commitment. Even Clinton was surprised at the lying done by Bush I and the seriousness of the economy.

      Government was actually set up to be duplicative. This kept the checks and balances from going too far one way or another. Take out all those duplications and we get one stream. Over employed? Yes, but this is in the nth degree now. Now we have czars making public policy with no checks.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Landrew, thank you for your enlightened presentation of the situation.

  • kral2004

    give him a chance, I like both Paul and Cain, Ron Paul has been telling the truth for a while now, he just comes up with some statements that I don’t like. Give Cain a chance to explain his 999, its probably just a basic begining, but we DON’T need another far left liberal, Socialist, Progressive, Commi, National Socialist (NAZI), or any entitlement lover along with there BIG government…… Oh yes I belive Cain, if elected would be the first black president as Obama is Bi-racial I think …Would love to see Senators restricted to 2 terms and Rep’s to 6 terms, like president is restricted to 2 terms, just a thought…..

  • home boy

    as you can now see , unless the repubs control both house and senate nothing gets passed. the system needs to be changed. if the politicians are the problem the get rid of the political system and bring in a system where there is no pork to hand out, no vacations to give to get a vote. cut the government in half. to bad this will never happen . people refuse to give up what they have, they will not sacrifice their well being to do whats right. only GOD can solve these problems and thats coming sooner tahn you think.

    • Sail2pete

      You hit the nail on the head Home Boy and without knowing it. It isn’t the fact that we can’t get work done in Washington because we need a majority of one party or the other to do it. THE FACT IS THE PROBLEM IS THE TWO DOMINANT PARTIES WHO LEGISLATE TO WIN POPULAR SUPPORT AND NOT TO DO THE COUNTRY ANY GOOD. IT IS THE PARTY FIRST AND THE COUNTRY LAST AND THAT IS WRONG. GET RID OF ALL PARTIES AND LET US HAVE JUST ONE PARTY — THE PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES — Sail2pete

  • http://msn Robert Ivy

    Talk about bullying tactics, these folks mentioned in this article are the heighth of bullys. Slinging accusations, and unable to back them up with fact like Brother Cain can and does.

  • mickey

    It’s easier to turn a company around than a government. First, a company still has structure. It still has accountants, lawyers, and company guidelines. Points of sale losses and employee impact losses are viable solutions to a company bottom line.

    A country OTOH means a lot of job losses, Take out the tax people alone and we have 80,000 (??) in one swoop that loses jobs. People have a lot of money invested in accounting education and years invested. Same with everyone else in government.

    To make some of these changes would require a reduction in populace. We have way too many people to support with our economy. That means–get rid of those with no right to be here. Then we would require fewer services, fewer schools, fewer teachers, and our resouces spent on improvement for the new numbers.

    However, were we to view House Representatives equated with numbers of people, review this need for representation, why would we give CA and NY the advantage? We know the wooing going on with migrants with CA and NY. If it continues, based on numbers, we have two states that can greatly impact everything the other 48 states do. Take away that incentive, give each state 3 reps and we are on equal ground. I doubt that CA and NY (and take away the FED dollars for welfare) would think they would profit from new bodies.

    We no longer have families with 6 and 7 children because they are not needed to farm the fields so why are we importing more?

    Any talk of tax without addressing the issues that tax dollars are used is meaningless.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Which great Democrat icon was it that said, “It takes 10 yrs to destroy the economy and 10 years to bring it back”? If you study the situation, the economy really started in the toilet in the late 90′s after the Dems initiated poor financial programs during the 90′s that finally hit the flat-rock. Bush got blamed for the crap of the 90s that precipitated the ’98 downturn. Struggling to devert or delay the downturn, DC did a lot of wrong things that we will pay for forever. Now we are faced with finding a way to begin that upward trek of 10+ years to stability. Unfortunately, this is probably our LAST and only chance. I hope we actually have an 2012 election. Grandpa often said, “The next depression will make the ’30s look like a church picnic”.

      • mickey

        It started long before Clinton and the repeal of Glass/Steagall. Some good things came out of all this and some very bad things. Politicians have wanted the US as controller of the world since the turn of the 19th century. Hitler was the one who almost pulled it off. obama is following his routine with different terminology. We just have to be prepared for bloodshed.

      • mickey

        We are in a depression. Take away the soup lines (food stamps) the housing subs and we have the depression. The difference is (and the movie on CCC is telling) that people were hungry back in the 30′s. They are well fed today and not so willing to pay the price for food.

        • Alex Frazier

          It’s not a depression. It’s a recession. The difference is that prices fall in a depression because no one is buying, and this leads to unemployment and bankruptcy, whereas prices are sticky in a recession. People are able to buy, but fearful of doing so when they don’t know what is going to happen. Just enough commerce continues to keep the more stable businesses from going belly up.

      • mickey

        Well, the 20th century, sorry.

  • Texas Truth Seeker

    How many of you out there really know the facts? Facts concerning the
    powers out there that want to control every aspect of our lives and intent on destroying us. The GMO food thing is something you will never hear in the debates. Why is that? Ron Paul is the only hope for this country with our help of course. Have you ever thought about why
    any of the main stream media (even the so called fair and balanced) never give him the time of day? If they really cared about LIBERTY,
    wouldn’t they at least tell you what his platform is? SHAME ON THEM.
    With this said, shouldn’t this tell us what is going on????
    DR. RON PAUL FOR 2012 THE ONLY TRUE STATESMAN FOR OUR COUNTRY.

    • mickey

      It’s interesting you bring this up. A very long time ago, I did a research on Latin countries and what happened to a country that could not support itself with food production. They starved to death. Here we have among us whole industries that are destroying our soil and no one blinks an eye. I laughed when I heard farmers were to practice “dustless” farming because any one in the country knows that is nearly impossible. I have since stopped laughing as roundup permeates the air, my land, and my health.

      • Average Joe

        The simple solution…Boycott Monsanto and all of their products….including all GMO foods…if in doubt …don’t buy it!
        Buy your food from local producers. I may cost a bit more but at least you know where it came from and how it was raised. Ask them if the use “growth hormones” to produce more meat or milk….if they do, don’t buy it…period! The only way to stop their insanity, is to hit them where it hurts…in their wallet! I have been doing this for years now and encourage everyone to do the same (I also keep a small garden to feed myself and my family and friends.
        Good luck! let’s hurt these fools financially!

  • mike swann

    All I have to say is if you voted for Obama, don’t bellyache. Everyone was warned about his association with Marxist, anti-American groups. Everyone called Sean Hannity a nut when he revealed Obama’s background. O told everyone he was going to raise txes, price of energy, transform this country but no one got the message. I don’t like being bitter but I resent my fellow Americans for being so gullible, to this silver tongue devil. He despised this country, he babies up to Muslims, has made us sthe laughing stock of the world. Even if he isn’t the anti_Christ, he could be.
    This crook has been allowed to take over banking, auto industry, healthcre, energy. Look up what his part in CCW “green fraud” along wit many Goldman Sacks employees, Franklin Raines, Jim Jones who ripped Fannie and F off for over $170 milllion and laundered the money into CCW. Many Demos and rich New Yorkers belong to this. Everyone said Glenn Beck was nuts for telling this. I checked it out and is for real.

    • mickey

      obama isn’t the only one and he had a lot of help. He is just more blantant about it and laughing at all of us thinking we are weak and can’t do anything about it. This is not Hitler’s Germany.

    • bob wire

      If you can’t see through such personalities as Hannity & Beck and look to them for information, I seriously doubt there is anything I might say or do to ever change your mind. So I won’t begin to try.

      Everyone is permitted to complain about anything that they might wish. Everyone is allowed to offer decent if that’s what they wish to do as that is one of your freedoms.

      I voted for Obama, I was given no choice and I don’t regret it for one minute.

      However,I do regret how people have reacted to Obama, but let me be clear it’s “their reacting” I find most regrettable.

      I am most willing to vote for someone else but not simply to please you. Offer me a candidate worthy consideration this time.

  • Tom

    “Cain faced opposition to his 9-9-9 plan. (He should; the Fair Tax is a better system). They treated him in the same manner they treated each other, like a political adversary.”
    Here is a small but very good example of WHY REPUBLICANS can’t get it together!
    TAXATION IS THEFT to start with Mr. Crystal. Secondly, when you choose to “qualify” and define your personnal opinion you INFLUENCE the weak and lazy. WHO GIVES A RIP if the so-called “FAIR TAX” is better, thats your opinion.
    This is the sort of “reporting” that helps to FURTHER fragment conservatives in America. Besides the smart conservatives don’t claim to be republicans anyway. Its the fence sitters people like you, drive to the democrats. The fence sitters vote for “cool names”, beautiful people (although that DOESN”T explain Michelle Obama)or any of the myriad lame, stupid reasons for electing the current poster child for birth control.
    Maybe you should self-edit before the story runs. Words are like bullets, once they leave your mouth, or fingers, you can’t get them back!

    • Average Joe

      Tom says,

      “Here is a small but very good example of WHY REPUBLICANS can’t get it together!
      TAXATION IS THEFT to start with Mr. Crystal. Secondly, when you choose to “qualify” and define your personnal opinion you INFLUENCE the weak and lazy. WHO GIVES A RIP if the so-called “FAIR TAX” is better, thats your opinion.
      This is the sort of “reporting” that helps to FURTHER fragment conservatives in America. Besides the smart conservatives don’t claim to be republicans anyway. Its the fence sitters people like you, drive to the democrats. The fence sitters vote for “cool names”, beautiful people (although that DOESN”T explain Michelle Obama)or any of the myriad lame, stupid reasons for electing the current poster child for birth control.
      Maybe you should self-edit before the story runs. Words are like bullets, once they leave your mouth, or fingers, you can’t get them back!”

      Isn’t this like the pot calling the kettle black?
      While telling Mr. Crystal not to esouse us with his opinion, you turn right around and give us yours. Is your opinion somehow better than Mr. Crystal’s opinion? Do ya think maybe you should take your own advice?
      Don’t buy a vowel…buy a clue!
      BTW, in my post (just above yours) there is a link (which ran the numbers on 999) and no matter whether you like it or not, 999 won’t work, so, it isn’t just an opinion…it is a fact.Before you do it, whining isn’t pretty…don’t do it.

      “Words are like bullets, once they leave your mouth, or fingers, you can’t get them back!”

      • bob wire

        I shot an arrow into the air, it fell to earth I know not where
        for so swiftly it flew the sight, could not follow it in it flight

        I breath a song into the air, it fell to earth I know not where
        for who has eyes so keen and strong that they might see the flight of song

        Long~long after in an oak, I found the arrow still unbroke
        and the song from beginning to end, I found in the heart of a friend.

        “longfellow”

    • bob wire

      “WHO GIVES A RIP”

      I believe that’s what we are trying to determine Tom.

      One on my closest hunting buddies, who’s about as redneck conservative as any might wish to be, speaks of taxes this way, “after they stolen my money, I don’t give a damn what they do with it”.

      I’ve try to convince him to see it differently but to no avail. But over the passing of time I’ve come to understand his viewpoint. Government has never shown an interest in helping me with my losses but most willing to help me with my gains. Once my money is taken , I lose all control of it, so what’s the point?

      Perhaps I’ve not lost enough, perhaps I’ve not big enough? I’m in the middle holding up both the wealthy and poor it seems.

  • robert

    yes i,m a racist,i racist my 55 chevy every other month at englishtown

  • kennyhen

    This is a WHITE country. The only way to keep it WHITE is to elect a WHITE president. If Cain runs, we’ll have black vs. black. Now what’s that gonna get us?

    • AVCurmudgeon

      Um, I dunno. How about: it gets us to electing someone as President who is up to the job? You really should check the Klan hood at the door, bro.

      • Average Joe

        I believe he is a liberal shill….he goes to conservative sites, posts an ignorant rascisist comment under an assumed name….the runs out and say something…”See how rascisist those conservatives are?”
        Yes kennyhen, we’ve got your number…..now, go play in traffic (preferrably on a NASCAR track…during a race).

        • libertytrain

          I agree Joe – probably one of the basement staffers at work…

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain–Personally, I will vote for Ron Paul, never Cain.

          • http://deleted Claire

            For once I agree with Michelle Bachmann–Cain’s “999″ plan is “666″ upside down.

    • Alex

      This is Not a White country, “kennyhen” (half-male, half-female?).

  • AVCurmudgeon

    The interesting subtext to all this is that the liberals are painting the GOP into a corner. If we nominate Cain (as I think we should) we’ll have Sharpton and Smiley and the rest attacking him for not being an “authentic black man” (after all, he only comes up from dirt-poor Georgia, not the balmy climes of Hawaii and Singapore). What happens if we don’t nominate Cain? They will attack the GOP as racist for rejecting a viable black candidate. I’m not saying race is a reason to vote for or against Cain, just noting that the liberals have put the race card on the table and will play it for all its worth regardless of what conservatives do. The answer? Stick with our principles.

  • kennyhen

    Seriously, do you really think that any American with half a brain will ever vote for a BLACK president again?

    • Average Joe

      I don’t know…do you have half a brain?…if so, maybe you can answer your own silly questions instead of bothering people who happen to have……”whole” brains.

  • kennyhen

    Hey AVCurmudgeon, Obama isn’t an “authentic black man”. Isn’t he a halfbreed? I will say this, at least Cain is a “pure black”. (I think I’ll leave you with that and crawl back into my cave [I miss my pet dinosaur], as it’s killing me not to use ethnic slurs.)

    • Alex

      kennyhen (what is a kennyhen, like a hermaphrodite fryer?)—Cain is a “pure black” man? What, are you six years old?

      As we all came from Africa, and since Black can mutate to White (and NOT vice-versa) we are all essentially Black, even ‘White’ people like you and your momma.

  • Alex

    Campaign season for the Reich Wingers!
    Boo soldiers serving in combat!
    Cheer the deaths of the uninsured! HAA! And you were sniveling about “Death Panels”!
    Pigs.

    • Realist

      Alex, you are the busiest troll on this board but you are interesting.
      Do you have anything constructive to say or are you just deliberately being a shill for the party of loneliness?

  • http://gmail.com Sancheleezy

    Racism is definitely wrong and only a moron of low I.Q. spends their time here wallowing with hatred due to the color of their skin. But what is even worse to me is the media and the elites ignoring and marginalizing candidates that they do not want in the White House. Representative Ron Paul is that candidate. I think that this is a much worse problem than any perceived racism.

  • Buck

    I wasn’t around when the first republican president officially ended slavery , nor when certain democratic presidents reinstituted segrgation . However I was around when the repulicans passed the civil rigts legislation in the sixties with extreme resistance from the democrats . This leads me to believe that ALL democrats are racist , regardless of color , and indeed this is what the democratic party constantly pushes , then lie about . What I find so hard to believe is the number of people that fall for it . There is not A democrat in existence with any honor or integrity unless he or she is a deaf , blind ,mute .

    • Patriot II

      Buck; You made my day!!!, thanks!!

    • bob wire

      yea it made mine too!

      If you was around in the 60′s you wasn’t paying attention Sir. For if you were,~ you would know your statement to be false.

      “However I was around when the republicans passed the civil rights legislation in the sixties with extreme resistance from the democrats .”

  • JohnB

    I wholeheartedly agree with your argument. It’s a reflection of the problems in the country when you see the inability to see Herman Cain as an individual and judge him on his merits as a presidential candidate rather than use racist vocabulary and dismiss him automatically because he is a republican. I may not agree with Cain (especially his view of Alan Greenspan being a great chairman of the Fed and his defence of the Fed) but that is far different from not seeing his humanity and not respecting him from what he has accomplished as a person. That being said, I’m voting for Ron Paul. :-)

  • moonbeam

    I’m sorry, but I can’t help but have a good chuckle. If only I could get all of the above on video, I would be RICH!!!!

    I really have respect for you all that you don’t get mad and out of hand insulting each other in that oh so casual way. I think Eddie is having a good time and knowing how to push yer buttons. Then the nice-nasty and sarcastic rebuttals that follow are to die for. It’s all good.

    I was feeling a little down, came here and started reading and began to rotflmao. Thanks Guys, I needed that!

    Now I’m ready to participate and sling my own hash.

    • bob wire

      Well,jump in anytime moonbeam and start shoveling. It takes a good Rancher to know how to shovel this ~”stuff”

      Government investigates a Texas Rancher !

      The Texas Department of Employment, Division of Labor Standards claimed a small rancher was not paying proper wages to his help and sent an agent out to investigate him.

      GOV’T AGENT: “I need a list of your employees and how much you pay them.”

      RANCHER: ”Well, there’s my hired hand who’s been with me for 3 years. I pay him $200 a week plus free room and board.

      RANCHER: “Then there’s the mentally challenged guy. He works about 18 hours every day and does about 90% of all the work around here. He makes about $10 per week, pays his own room and board, and I buy him a bottle of bourbon every Saturday night so he can cope with life. He also sleeps with my wife occasionally.”

      GOV’T AGENT: “That’s the guy I want to talk to – the mentally challenged one.”

      RANCHER: “That would be me.”

  • Millennium One Thousand

    Listen to this, my friends. Imagine the debate between VPO Biden and Bachman followed by a debate between a true born and raised in America Cain and a birther. Mr. Biden, who is WH employee Obedin Huma Weiner? Who released the names and addresses of the family members of now deceased Seal Team Six?
    Mr. Obarna, who is WH employee Phillip Weiner?
    Mr. Obarna, how does it feel to be working in the WH with a continuous WH occupant of 32 yrs in the WH, double the 16 yrs of FDR?

  • Landrew115

    Some ideas:
    So the American people have a dilemma, that is how do we get things fixed? This idea crosses all boarders. It doesn’t matter if you are Rep/Dem/Ind. What we the people need to do is look at our representatives. If they have more than 12 years in office it is time for them to leave. Here is why. They know the system and they know how to work it. It is called corruption. So vote them out. Get rid of them. Next whomever we hire needs to sign a document that is reinforceable and states the following: Pass a law for term limits 2 six year (Senator), 6 two year (Congressman/woman), No Retirement Plan (the job is a privilege not a career), any law passed applies to all persons incuding the people that wrote it (that should make them stop and think, something these morons in power are currently incapable of doing) hence why we need to kick them out. This will take about 6 years to do because of how the system is set up. We also need to make the current retirement plan null and void. It is rediculous that a member of congress only has to be in office for 2 years to get a retirement plan of X dollars a year for life. Does anyone outside of the government have such a plan? No wonder we are broke.
    Illegal immigration issue: Simple when they are caught don’t ship them back (that apparently is a waste of time and money). Rather lets put them into a labor camp for 5 years. This camp will be used to rebuild our crumpling infrastructure. Since the idea of 5 years of labor imprisonment doesn’t sit well with the illegals they may reconsider coming here. For the business people that hire them, they get the privilege of working side by side with their illegal labor just to show them our appreciation for their unethical behaviour.
    Health care: Repeal Obamacare first and foremost. Write a tort law to limit the excessive suing (this will bring down insurance costs). Allow inter-state insurance plans. Remove the ability of the FDA to receive private funding (corruption).
    Taxes: Delete the IRS, institute a flat tax of 12.5% that is permanent. In order for the government to raise the tax it will need to be approved by popular vote of the people. Congress would not have the power to arbitrarily raise the tax without a popular vote. Any attempt of the government to do so without this vote would force the individual(s) who attempted the change to be banned from office and jailed. This would stop future congresses from being free to just raise taxes for whatever reason. Pass a law for a balanced budget.
    S/S: Are you 65 and a legal American? No – you don’t get it. Yes – you get it. Simple! That is what it was meant for when it was started not what it is today with total corruption.
    Welfare(or handouts): You want help OK. But you have to give something to get something (your lunch isn’t free anymore). 40 hrs of your time for your community allows you your help. Can’t work (prove it) then another plan will be used to handle your special case.

  • Free Man From Elite Influences

    Be Crystal says, It strikes me that as long as the race card remains in the American socioeconomic deck, liberals will play it like they were splitting a pair of aces at a Vegas blackjack table. If you’re looking for the face of true targets of racism, 2011-style, look no further than GOP Presidential candidate Herman Cain. You got balls Crystal, for someone of the Jewish faith, whose religion has been a champion of the African-American race, even while owning them. You and the precious GOP are going to try and take away everything that the lower and middle classes have benefitted from, all the while the GOP will be holding Herman Cain’s purse strings. Boehner cannot fart without Tea Party permission. Now Tea Party’ers will shoot down any proposal Cain tries if they don’t like it. I cannot wait for Cain and the debates, so we will see the man’s chains. So Uncle Tom (Herman, enjoy your slave (Tea Part) masters.

    • libertytrain

      I find it an absolute hoot to see racist comments from the left like yours…so blind to your own selves…. Wow…do you read or think about what you write?

      • Free Man From Elite Influences

        libertytrain, hey. What fight did you fight for that you call yourself libertytrain? Sitting back and letting the rich and corporate America destroy this country by not giving the American people a chance to work and make and earn money, because corporate America and the GOP do not like Obama, who, by the way is black. John Boehner, Newt (a amphibian) Gingrich, Perry, Cantor, etc, etc, etc,are punishing the people who want jobs, because they do not like Obama’s policies and want him to fail. Oh!, by the way, the names I mention all happen to be white. So who is the leftist and racist? I guess that sheet you wear (KKK) keeps you from seeing things clearly.

        • libertytrain

          I believe it’s you with the sheet over your eyes….

    • Renie

      Free Man – an elitist, an anti-semite, and a racist apologist for the Dems. Quite an accomplishment!

      • Free Man From Elite Influences

        Renie, that’s right you white bigoted GOP kiss-ass, and I’m proud of it, so what are you goin to do? Nothing!!!!

  • Renie

    First, there is no perfect candidate. IMHO Herman Cain is the perfect anti-Obama, precisely because he’s black, he’s really pulled himself up from nothing, has lived the American dream (study hard, serve your country, work hard, and you’ll be successful), and has an open and transparent history. Where’s Obama’s history?

    While I like 80-85% of what Ron Paul says, it’s the 20% looney that turns me off – he’d be another Obama in the international realm, except that he probably wouldn’t apologize. But the fact that he actually believes what Osama Bin Laden said about the reason that the Islamoterrorists attacked us is because of our presence in the Middle East shows me that he has a disturbingly vast ignorance of Islam. Until he sits down with, say, *Allen West* and is schooled on the facts of Islam, he will always remain a fringe candidate to me.

    • Free Man From Elite Influences

      Hey Renie, you do not like Cain or Obama, because they are black So who is the leftist and racist?

  • Jimbo

    Americans are expected to be “color blind” in everything they do. So why is it no one is talking about the fact that perhaps 95% of black americans will ONLY vote for a black candidate? Even when the candidate is someone like tax cheat Al Sharpton? Why do so few blacks fail to see Obama’s criminal behavior? Why is it that we have black only sports teams, when there are plenty of capable white players? (Example: Syracuse women’s basketball team) Why is it black produced television and movies usually portray whites as bumbling idiots, stupid, inept servants, or overt racists who have gained their wealth at the expense of blacks? Why is it the black community is so silent when black on white violence occurs, like the recent brutal assault on a white transexual girl by two black women?

    I’ve seen racism by whites against blacks. But much more of the opposite. It’s time for it to end, and for us all to be Americans, rather than white, black, hispanic, or asian americans.

    • Ranger 1

      Good question. . . . . Actually, let me offer the physiological and anatomical explanation for why the vast majority of NFL, NBA, and Olympic athletes in events like the 100, 200, Triple Jump, Long Jump, High Hurdles etc., are almost all of African descent. In a nutshell; they’re superior athletes in those events that require quickness. Anatomically, for example, African athletes, particularly those from West Africa who constituted most of the slave labor for much of the New World, simply have skeletal muscles which are shorter in the belly of the muscle, with longer connective tissue attached to the bones (tendons). That means, when they send a nerve impulse to the biceps, for example, saying “contract”, the muscle, comprised mostly of white “fast twitch” fibers, contracts more quickly, exerting pull on the tendons, thus flexing the elbow joint more quickly than either Caucasians or Asians can. The reason for this is that those cultures in Africa placed a heavy emphasis on quickness (hunting primarily with spears can do that) so Natural Selection played a key role in selecting for the “quickness” genes. O.K., that explains west Africans, but in those same Olympics, you’re going to notice all the distance events dominated by Kenyans, Ethiopians, etc. from East Africa. Guys (and gals) who may stand just under 6 ft tall but weigh under 140 lbs. In those cultures, the selection was for long distance running (with long distances to cover and no other means of transportation, that’s not too surprising. Thus, their muscles primarily contain red or “slow twitch” fibers, enabling them to run fast for very long distances. So, until genetic engineers can help parents select “preferred” genes to include in the genotypes of their offspring, I guess we’ll just have to settle for cheering for the home team, regardless of the amount of pigment in the skin of the athletes!

  • Sail2pete

    Sail2pete says:
    October 16, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    You hit the nail on the head Home Boy and without knowing it. It isn’t the fact that we can’t get work done in Washington because we need a majority of one party or the other to do it. THE FACT IS THE PROBLEM IS THE TWO DOMINANT PARTIES WHO LEGISLATE TO WIN POPULAR SUPPORT AND NOT TO DO THE COUNTRY ANY GOOD. IT IS THE PARTY FIRST AND THE COUNTRY LAST AND THAT IS WRONG. GET RID OF ALL PARTIES AND LET US HAVE JUST ONE PARTY — THE PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES — Sail2pete

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  • Ranger 1

    Herman Cain’s policies include; among other things, lowering the tax rate on the wealthy while increasing the rates for the middle and lower classes, plus getting rid of Social Security and Medicare! Does anyone with at least a three digit I.Q. think he could possibly win an election when the voters finally understand his positions? (I know; ” Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter”) I like Sail2pete’s concern about our 2 major parties. Our body politic kind of reminds one of recess time in the 4th grade, with all the kids out on the playground. The vast majority are just “going along to get along”, which represents the majority of voters. There are, of course, a small group of bullies, who try to win through intimidation (Republicans), and a small group of “Gutless Wusses” who simply fold under any pressure (Democrats).

  • Damocles

    Herman Cain is not an, “African-American,” nor is he a, “Black-American!” Herman Cain is “An American!” A man who has used his talent to better himself in the business world, and provide for his family. He is, in fact, the consummate role model for the so called, “American Dream!” The fact that he displays Honesty and Integrity, and is not a career Politician, is enough to garner MY VOTE! If all American Citizens would follow the example of Herman Cain, this Nation would be Great Again!

  • Delfin J Beltran, MD

    There exist some basics that need clarification. USA is not a Democracy. The Constitution defines the USA as a Republic, Thus the correct label that should be substituted every time an author calls the USA a democracy would be, ” Constitutional Republic “. The Constitution and Declaration of Independence refer to each human individual as, ‘ created equal’ not as being equal. I was taught that only the ‘sex bed ‘ and a .45 were equalizers, added to that should now be added Politically Correct Speech which has proved to be nothing more than fascist propaganda speech. Would any persons spouse or parent agree that their spouse or child was equal to any other person and thus deserved equal respect and benefits? These concepts had been created for political clout by bullies ignorant of humanities values and warped by personal power over others, the definition of bullying.

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