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Random Musings on the Date Which Lives in Infamy

December 7, 2009 by  

Random Musings on the Date Which Lives in Infamy

Sixty-eight years ago today, at about 7:55 a.m. local time, Japanese bombs began falling on the United States military installations Wheeler Field and Hickam Field in Hawaii, signifying the beginning of the attacks on Pearl Harbor.

That attack—which killed 2,390 sailors, airmen, soldiers and civilians—officially drew America into World War II. Until Sept. 11, 2001, that attack was the deadliest on American soil (2,976 died that day). As war was declared on Japan the next day, President Franklin D. Roosevelt called it, “a date which will live in infamy…”

On Aug. 15, 1945, President Harry S. Truman accepted the surrender of the Japanese. One of the terms of the surrender was that Emperor Hirohito would be allowed to remain on the throne.

Gen. Douglas MacArthur first met Hirohito on Sept. 27, 1945. In a black and white image preserved from that meeting, a casually dressed MacArthur towers over the diminutive, formally attired Hirohito. As historian Carol Gluck told the Public Broadcast System (PBS) in a documentary on World War II, “What does it say? It says, I’m MacArthur, supreme commander of the Allied Powers, and I’m in charge.”

The Bow Seen Round the World

Last month, President Barack Obama met Japan’s current emperor, Akihito, who happens to be the son of Hirohito. A color image of that meeting shows Obama bowing at an almost 45 degree angle to the son of the man who presided over a country that dropped bombs on our countrymen.

What does that image say? As an unnamed expert on the Japanese empire told ABC’s Jake Tapper (as reported on Tapper’s blog), “The bow (Obama) performed did not just display weakness in Red State terms, but evoked weakness in Japanese terms… The last thing the Japanese want or need is a weak-looking American president and, again, in all ways, he unintentionally played that part.”

Unlike President Richard Nixon’s bow to Hirohito or President Bill Clinton’s bow to Akihto—who both bowed slightly, as equals—Obama bowed as an inferior.

Never mind more than 200 years of U.S. State Department protocol that said “thou need not bow,” three presidents have. But the most glaring bow is Obama’s, who also bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia last spring.

What would Thomas Jefferson—who penned in the Declaration of Independence the words, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…”—say about Obama’s bow?

The Founding Fathers, after having suffered under the rule of a king, didn’t take kindly to royalty. As Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution says, “No title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States…”

Those statements answer the Jefferson question. Even better are the words of President Theodore Roosevelt: “If I see another king, I think I shall bite him.”

Now Will Obama Bow to the Global Warming Liars?

Having spent his formative years in Indonesia rather than the U.S., Obama apparently doesn’t understand that Americans are subservient to no one. This thought causes great consternation as Obama heads to the United Nations (U.N.) Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen this week.

As I wrote in U.N Using Climate to Push One World Government Reforms, Obama is expected to bow to the climate change/One World Government crowd even as the house of cards that built up the man-made global warming hysteria comes crashing down.

In case you missed it—and it wouldn’t be surprising considering the U.S. mainstream media has ignored the scandal—emails between man-made global warming proponent scientists have either been hacked or leaked. The emails show what many—including me—have said: that the “science” of global warming has been completely fabricated, with numbers fudged and critical opposing views deleted or omitted.

Man-made climate change “science” is the abode of today’s anti-capitalist, anti-freedom communists. The so-called consensus of global warming science has been created on a fraud of speculation and corrupted data.

That Obama’s team would continue—in the face of forced resignations of the proponent scientists and calls for investigations—to claim man-made global warming is settled science demonstrates the Copenhagen meeting is not about climate change at all. It’s about control.

Or, as global warming skeptic Lord Christopher Monckton claims, “a world government is going to be created.”

Rather than a bow, if Obama agrees to this it’s more of a bend-over-and-grab-the-ankles moment… for all Americans.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Carol Siira

    Obama can bow all he wants if he feels like a servant. I bow to no foreign country and I do not accept Obama’s policies, therefore I am not under his “rule”. They can form all the new world orders they want, the only members will be them. Proud to be American and not ashamed or embarrassed at all.

    • http://Carterwimpedout USPatriot

      Sorry to inform you that Carter wimped out. New case with CRIMINAL Charges in Monroe, TN. Grand jury to hear case today. See http://prosecuteobama.org/

    • denniso

      Carol…Obama is not ashamed of being American, he merely showed proper respect to another leader in his country,much like when your buddy Bush walked hand in hand w/ the Saudi King some yrs back. You don’t know that Japanese bow to one another rather than shake hands…it doesn’t mean one is superior to the other,it’s simply custom. Despite your angry rant against Obama he is indeed your president,and if congress passes a law and he signs it then you are obliged to obey that law,or you can choose to go to jail.Just like always… Simple!

  • PhilDru

    I notice on the big three newscasting, (ABC anyway) there has been NO mention of Pearl Harbor Day. The media must be in PC mode in a real big way, hence PPOTUS (Presumed President of the United States)bowing to Akihito.

    • s c

      When you’re in the hip pocket of those who hate America [a good way to define most media-types in the US], it should come as no surprise that they have ‘other’ things to push in the name of ‘news.’
      It’s no secret that the American media was prostituted many years ago. The fact that many Americans don’t yet know that is a testament to the temporary power of those who hate freedom and fear what will happen when media whores are put on public trial (AND comrade obama is revealed to the rest of the world how truly INFERIOR he is).
      Hint: Cuba is just a short, small carbon footprint away. So where are the news articles covering the many, HUGE CARBON FOOTPRINTS made by those tree-fondling, mama earth-lovers who went to Nopenhagen?

    • Joe H.

      PhilDru,
      Probably not enough room after all the important stuff like TIGER!!!

      • Claire

        I am so sick of the Tiger news. What stupidity. Nothing like airing dirty laundry. What about Sanford, Ensign, and all the other politicians that are/were womanizers? Give Tiger a break–he is not the first and he sure won’t be the last.

        • DaveH

          Most importantly, it is between Tiger and his Wife, nobody else.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And Dave, you and I both know how the liberal press operates. When someone is successful, they cannot stand it and they go on their seek and destroy mission, because they dont like success, or they wouldnt back the party that seeks to punish all that succeed.

  • http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/ Publius Huldah

    At the link is an article discussing the treaty making powers of the United States in the context of the “climate change” treaty of Copenhagen. I show how to determine whether a treaty is or is not part of “the supreme Law of the Land”.

  • http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/ Publius Huldah

    Sorry, the link didn’t appear. Here it is:http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/

  • Bob Ivy

    It is morally wrong to bow to qnother person. One person is not superior to another. We are equally important as individuals. I think President Obama bows and downs our country overseas because he has a great need to be liked and accepted. That shows also when he gives a speech. He uses the word “I” a way too much. He obviously requires a great deal of attention and praise.

    • kodiak60

      That’s because he’s been diagnosed as a complete narcissistic individual… he cares for no one but himself. Charles Krauthammer, a regular panelist on Fox News Channel, is a licensed psychologist, and he diagnosed him as such, just on his behavior… similar to the FBI’s Behavior Analysis Unit (BAU)… writings, actions, vocal patterns, etc.

      • Danny B

        If you watch Fox news I diagnose you as ignorant.

        • Trisha

          If all you watch is the major networks you aren’t getting the facts. That makes you ignorant

          • denniso

            Fox news doesn’t even pretend to be unbiased. They are owned by a rightwing propogandist..everyone who can think knows that!!

          • http://n/a Winnie

            My God!!!! And you call yourselves “Americans”? “Christians”? Take a lesson from the Son of your God, Jesus Christ. He washed the feets of his people. He would bow down to the poorest, dirtiest, non-whitest person in the world. And you sing his praises. He never in his whole life put anyone under or above Him. He was never “superior” to anyone. His weakness was His strength(if you call bowing to others a weakness). Money was not His god. He did not have to win at all costs. All he wanted was for us to treat His children good and show them respect. Shame on you “real Americans”. How about becoming the citizens of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Each and everyone of you are all citizens of the United States of America. Remember that ARROGANCE is one of the capital sins.

          • s c

            Winnie, if you are TRULY concerned about the way most Americans see comrade obama, then kindly get in touch with him and remind him about the downside of RAW ARROGANCE.
            I get the impression that you’re just another progressive ultraliberal with way too much free time on your ‘concerned’ hands. If comrade obama is above being ARROGANT, I’m a weekend
            community organizer.

          • http://n/a Winnie

            to sc and lowell. sc, take a good look at your past president and vice president. They are the definition of arrogance. For Cheney, the only good american is white and christian. Arrogance does not bow down to anybody but their own and even then, maybe not. Better to be tuffy than to try and understand the ways of the people.

            To lowell, have you listened to glenn, palin, cheney limbaugh, and the other “real americans”? They are white, christian, and arrogant. And for your informatiuon, I am a Yupik Eskimo born and raised in Alaska both Traditionally and in the Roman Catholic religion. I learned about and experienced racism from the white folks of the good old United States of America.

          • Joe H.

            Winnie,
            Have you ever listened to Rush? Obviously not!!! The Mr. Snerdly he speaks to on the show is a B.L.A.C.K Man!!!! Rush has enough money to hire who he pleases and HE controls his show. He hired a black man because he wanted to!! Don’t be illiterate!!!

          • http://n/a Winnie

            So what! He’ still white, christian, and arrogant.

          • DaveH

            Wow Winnie, talk about being a bigot. Oh, I know, only white people can be bigots.

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Dave H. Again, I learned well about racism and bigitry from the white folks of the good old US of A

          • DaveH

            Have you ever heard, Winnie, that two wrongs don’t make a right?
            I have long known that people have some sort of inherent need to lump people together. If we all had the same skin color, we would discriminate based on nose size, or some other superficial difference. What productive purpose does it serve to carry on with such prejudices?

          • eyeswideopen

            Winnie, darling, these men won’t let you call a spade a spade, when it comes to the Bush family. You are right, if you look at the Republican party legislators, they are white, old, and profess to be Christians. Notice hardly any women in office, which is to their advantage. My girlfried in Germany, reads these posts, has been getting the newspapers from here and she can’t believe that the Republican dare to call themselves Christians. She is really upset that Richard Cohen has gotten Uganda to pass a law to kill gays. Prejudice is born out of fear of difference. I can imagine the racism you have endured, and I am sorry for that.

          • http://aol Don

            Dave, you definitely win on name calling.

          • denniso

            Eyes….nice comment and I salute Winnie as well. It is amazing to the rest of the world that we have so many so called Christians that are nothing but violent hypocrites.

          • Claire

            Community organizers do a lot for their community.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Jesus Christ did all these things you mention, as His sole purpose was to come and to serve man. He taught us not to be prideful or arrogant. This man now in office is the most arrogant man I have ever seen as our President. Arrogant and prideful, and pride comes before the fall, and he is falling even as we speak. Ive said it before, I dont mind the cultural bowing thing, but I abhor it when he bows with his words, and throws our country under the bus to try to warm himself to our enemies. That act is destestable.

          • eyeswideopen

            Sounds like a socialist program that Jesus was teaching.

          • http://aol Don

            Has Obama killed 100,000 men, women, and children in any recent war for any reason? If he has, he really is arrogant that is if you value life?

          • denniso

            Beb…you’re joking,right??

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No, BO is destestable. Fact.

          • DaveH

            Are you saying you don’t know that Denniso? Because you sure can’t think.

          • Joe H.

            Gee denniso,
            that sounds like what I said about snopes being owned by a dem husband and wife team. You said that didn’t matter. Oh I get it now it doesn’t matter if YOU recommend them. Right!!!! Got it! I call you what you are but Bob would probably remove it!!!

          • Claire

            Trisha–right on! You are absolutely correct!

          • eyeswideopen

            Hands clapping.

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Anne

          Watching Fox News has opened millions of peoples minds. However, Arguing with Idiots, Glenn Becks book is so appropo in your case. Open your mind. Don’t be indoctrinated to believe what others are trying to tell you. Use your own common sense. We were promised Change by the current administration and the only change I see is devastation to this great country. We are being sold down the river and drowning in debt because of them.

          • Dave

            We need to be rid of this fool ASAP!!!

          • Claire

            We were sold down the river a long time ago.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Oh my gosh. You said Glenn Beck. Dont you know the liberal hate him, I mean, just because he opens his mouth and speaks the truth, and reveals all those dirty dark things the democrats stand for, and he also speaks out when the republicans do things wrong, but the left hates him for this, and attacks him all they can, because for some odd reason, they just cannot accept the truth. That is why they like ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN and MSNBC. Youve got a better chance of getting more truth out of the National Enquired than these media outlets. That I know is true.

          • coal miner

            Anne,

            Glen Beck was on headlines,he was so drab and colorless most people can’t remember him. They kept saying Glen who?.He either quit or was was on the verge of getting fired.

        • Duane

          I’d lot rather watch Fox news then the rest any day. At least they smile at you and none of the others do. Fox I believe delivers the truth, and the others, they make up the news. Besides, Fox has some best looking ladies that I’ve seen, and they all like to smile. Must mean that they are happy at their jobs.

          • Claire

            hmmmm wonder what they’re on?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            At least Fox does what they say. They report the news, and let me decide how I feel about it. The other networks bring their reports with a total left wing slanted bias, and pollute the minds of those who dont take the time to investigate the truth. This is the only reason Obamination got elected. Change-change-change, broadcasted over these networks over and over and over again. Propaganda at its best, and the uneducated bought it.

          • coal miner

            Duane,

            May be gas.These gals may trying to keep a straight face and have to do every thing they can, to keep from laughing.Fox is a comedy.I think Homer Simpson will eventually replace Glen Beck.Keep your fingers crossed.

        • DaveH

          A personal attack from a Liberal? Wow, that’s novel.

        • Nanoo Geek

          EPA has issued a Finding, saying they will regulate Greenhouse Gases under the Clean Air Act

          The EPA sees greenhouse gases a public threat
          1:34 pm ET 12/07/2009 – MarketWatch Pulse News Bullet

          Will citizens recognize that Emperor O, and the EPA have launched the equivalent of Pearl Harbor upon “we the people” ?

          • Valverde

            Apparently, none of them have read or even heard of the emails that the so-called scientists sent to one another that laughed at those who thought that global warming was a hoax. That should have let some of the gas out of their balloon, but it doesn’t seem as though it happened. BO is marching to Copenhagen as though he knew what he was talking about and we are about to be ripped by Crap and Trade that will further ruin us. The really stupid part of this is the fact that Crap and Trade will take away the power we will really need when the global ice age hits. Buy a bunch of coats and blankets, folks. You will need them because you won’t be able to heat your homes. I betcha the White House won’t be lacking for warm air. Of course not, neither will the whole city of Washing-town P.C. If there is global warming, that is where the hot air is coming from Washing-town.

          • DaveH

            Valverde,
            They haven’t heard about the Emails because they don’t watch Foxnews.

          • Claire

            Remember the old adage—believe half of what you see and none that you hear.
            I believe this applies to a lot of what we read, and certainly on what we watch on cable news.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            It definately applies to what one hears on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC.

          • DaveH
          • Curtis S

            Sorry to interupt you kids with some new FACTS. 2009? The warmest year on record. The first decade of the 21st century (which isn’t over yet) is the warmest on record. What knid of mental gymanstics do you all have to do in order to keep from being able to recognize and admit that global warming / climate change is real? You may not like Kyoto or Copenhagen, but instead of moaning about the medicine what’s YOUR solution to the problem?

          • denniso

            All they want to do is deny global warming because Limbaugh says so.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Curt, baby, youve got to be on crack. 2009 was so much cooler than 2008. Dont you remember Al Gore on TV all year in 2008, because it was a warm year. But this year, 2009, temperatures around the country were a lot colder than previous years. Here in Indiana, I believe we only hit 90 like 4 times. In 2008 there must have been at least 10 days where it hit 100 or close to it. But all in all, and Ive seen it over and over again on the weather channel, how this year, 2009 has been cooler than recent years, so I really dont know where you are getting this from, unless you did a type and meant 2008 or some other year, but not 2009. No way, no how.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          If you dont, then you blindly accept what one side, the left, has to say. Therefore, you shall never know the truth.

      • Claire

        Charles Krauthammer–turtle face?

        • DaveH

          Claire, shame. Charles suffered a paralyzing diving accident in his first year of medical school and was hospitalized for a year. He is a paraplegic. I’m sure you weren’t aware of that.

          • Claire

            DaveH—No, I did not know that. I am ashamed. I try not to call anyone names but I did. I guess I should practice what I preach. I stand reprimanded.

          • DaveH

            Claire,
            I know you are a good person. I wasn’t reprimanding you, just informing you.

    • Bruce

      Dear People, Have any of you done any looking into the Copenhagen agreement? If you have then many of the comments made above would not be here.
      Let me spell it out for you so you all get it; #1, When signed by #44, the “United States Constitution and Bill of Rights” is then {Nul and Void.} Thats right folks the UN One World Government is then in place and we are just one more cog in that wheel.
      If that fails to get you.

      Lets now toss in the few other goodies; You will only be allowed to use a % of energy based on what the “ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT” feels you should have.
      Now the straight talk, do you own two homes, or even say a rental. How this will effect you, your energy allotment will be based on a single home, thus you will have to (split your enery allotment) between the two.
      Yes, you can in fact buy extra credits thats a fact, do you have any idea what thats going to cost you? No, but heres a good base idea for you to kick around, think 30 – 60% above your base cost, of what will more than likly be going up at least 20% I feel it will be more in line with 50%.

      Ok not quite up to par yet, well here’s just a tad more for you. Thinking about selling your home someday? I bet somewhere along the line you will. So how its written is; (complying to the green effect to promote a positive enviroment to reduce carbon foot prints.)
      Whats that mean?
      Its simple if your home was made prior to 2006, you are more than likly going to need to refit your home to “GREEN STANDARDS”
      Now whats that mean to YOU, well heres a base list; {replaced pluming, replaced heating and cooling systems, replaced windows, replaced insulation, replaced wiring, replaced wood and plactic products, Replaced lighting, Replaced drywall, replaced paint, replaced roofing.)
      Ok are you getting it yet?

      Lets say not yet, so you now have replaced your home and now can’t afford to sell it as now you have more invested than its worth on the market.
      Well then you have to have an inspection to be sure you meet GREEN STANDARDS, oh and YOU pay for that too. If any part fails, well you will be fined.

      But wait theres even more, this is all based on total lies, why to gain control of the world the Whole Global Warming thing.
      Millions in poor nations and JFTR we are in that boat now are going to loose what ever they had as investments! Yea Baby now thats just super.
      But heres the back hand deal, YOU as Americans oh and just for the record that also included Europeans too, we have used our share of energy in case you failed to graps that “CARBON FOOT PRINT” factoid.
      Thus you will all be faced with a NEW TAX, aka the “Carbon Foot Print Tax” though I don’t have the exact name of this new tax yet it sure sounds good right?
      Think of this TAX as a war reprations TAX your going to be paying places like MEXICO, or Africia for your being alive.
      Will the people of these countrys get this money, “NO” but the governments will and they are not going to spend it on the PEOPLE, as they have never done so yet, and are not going to do so any time soon.

      But wait, theres more the people of these areas will be slowly eliminated by what ever method, do you think the press will be showing starving folks from Africia where your Trillions of TAX dollars are going?

      Vote in 2010, yea; ok what ever, do you really think your VOTE is worth the paper its on? Get ready folks for the NEW WORLD ORDER, its over, now the deal is going to be sealed.

      Dear Joe, there is no differance between Bush and R McD.

      • Joe H.

        Dear Bruce,
        No the lack of difference definitely goes to O-man. he is definitely a clown and a joke!!!

      • Cribster

        Although this is a word that stirs my ire that was a very “comprehensive” list Bruce. Well done!

      • Sukhotai

        Bruce,
        The only eror with what you are saying is you fail to mention that the congress of the United States must ratify his signature for it to be held as valid. We can all still hope that they are not all as ignorant as Mr Wonderful. Like the other earlier gentleman said, “I” do not accept his word or signature for anything, nor did I give him permission to commit me to anything.

        Sukhotai

        • DaveH

          Sukhotai,
          Many of the Congressmen are indeed ignorant or malicious. We just need to ride herd on them to make sure they don’t vote away our Sovereignty.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Bush and R.McD are both loved by most Americans.

        • Joe H.

          Berberoni,
          then is it o.k. if I compare him to Barney the purple dinosaur? There’s actually an I hate Barney club in Fla!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I havent like Barney since he threatened Ian St. Ian.

        • Claire

          Ronald McDonald is loved, I’m not sure about Bush since there is no comparison between the two.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Actually, while Ronald has helped many, Bush has saved many many more.

        • Rod James

          Beberoni, I wonder if most Americans would love Bush if they knew some history about the family.The library of congress and the national archives have much information on how Presscot Bush and George senior were WAR PROFITEERS courtesy the Nazi Party. They were on the board of directors for the Union Bank(the Us branch of Fritz Thyssen Nazi bank)
          The Union Bank was siezed by the US government under the trading with the enemy act in 1942. There is plenty of proof that they both knew they were traitors but profit was number one for them.They also on behave of BBH (part of the Harriman conglomerate for who they worked)put pressure on President Roosevelt to cancel plans to save Jews.

          • Claire

            Rod James—you sure didn’t get a reply on this one.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I think he did. If you can read, its there.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If you believe that kind of crap. Which left wing liberal wrote it? John Kerry? John Edwards? So going on what you say about the past, I should hate the Germans because they kicked my great great great grandfather out of Germany and took his castle and his fortune from him, and told him to leave or die. So since the previous Germans were this way, do I hold the current Germans guilty of this? Of course not. I dont need 90 acres and a mule to be made whole. Those were those people then as was my great great great grandfather, and those over there now and myself here are totally different people. So your supposed connections mean nothing to me, other than you are full of hate. Give it a rest. Bush is gone ok, its over. Find someone new to blame for your feeling like a failure.

          • Rod James

            Beberoni, That kind of crap (which is what their actions were) is on file in The Library of Congress and The National Archives so it is FACT. Sorry to pop your ballon on your much loved hero Bush but don’t cry there are other WAR PROFITEERS and TRAITORS for you to cheer for.
            Also Bush started shredding the constitution with the Patriot Act and as I have said doesn’t matter Rep or Demo President does what he is told so Obama will tow the line for the Global Elite lets say financial power brokers.

          • DaveH

            OK Rod, first of all I dislike the Patriot Act a lot. But you know what? I would take somebody eavesdropping on my conversations any day over the theft that your party promotes. If they aren’t taking peoples’ money outright through spending and taxes, they are taking it surreptiously through spending and borrowing which produces the hidden tax of inflation which destroys peoples’ hard earned savings.

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, I am surprised that anyone would dare to state the truth about the Bush’s. I am still upset with myself for voting into office a draft dodger, with no integrity or ethics, who caused this country to loose it’s moral base and get involved in a war with an innocent country. Thanks for having the guts to print the truth.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You and Rod need to go light another fire, sit around and sing kumbaya, bash the military and freedom, then call on them to come save you like the Frenchmen do, because that is how you sound, just like them. Slam,slam, slam, then “help me Mr. American, save me”. Yep, thats you.

      • denniso

        Bruce…where in hell do you get this junk from that you spout?? There is no truth to any of it, at all. Do you just make your rantings up out of thin air or are you getting it from some delided hero of yours??

        • DaveH

          Let’s see some supported facts Harpy.

          • Rod James

            DaveH, To what party are you refering? I have never stated supporting any political party! Evesdropping on phone conversations is a small part of the Patriot act the powers that be can grab you or any American citizen call you a terrorist and send you of to god knows where without legal representation or even a phone call! You have less and less rights as a US citizen every day which is exactly the opposite of what America used to stand for FREEDOM!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You might have less, but I dont, nope, not at all. Why, they can listen to every phone call I make, who cares. I dont, but I guess thats because Im a law abiding citizen with nothing to hide. I could care less. If it means catching someone doing something they shouldnt be doing, most likely illegal and damaging to this country, Im all for it. In fact Id be willing to pay taxes to support it. In fact, Id like to hear the phone calls between George Soros and the White House and high ranking democrats right now. I think all of us Americans should be entitled to hear them. You blind followers just might find out a thing or two.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, looks like Rod, isn’t going to let you spew your normal crap without calling you out. This is going to be interesting.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You and rod have no clue. But Im glad you found a bandwagon to ride on, after all you are a follower.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The physical act of bowing down doesnt bother me near as much as does the words he uses that bow us down before the world. His apology tour needs to end as soon as possible. Our enemies now laugh at us. I long for the days when they hate us again.

  • Ed Douglas

    What else is new?

  • David Long

    Let us not raise cultural ignorance to an art form, and inflict harm on ourselves and our country. When you walk into a Japanese person’s home, out of respect, you take your shoes off. It’s a cultural thing. When you enter a Jewish synagogue or Christian church, out of respect, you wear appropriate clothing and behave in the appropriate manner. It’s a cultural thing. When sitting in an American classroom you remove your hat to show respect to the teacher. It’s a cultural thing. When you are careful never to give insult by showing an Egyptian the bottom of your shoes when sitting in his or her presence, it’s a cultural thing. Our downed WWII pilots were treated more harshly than they otherwise would have been by the Japanese because they were culturally unaware that bowing in the Asian culture is a sign of respect and not weakness.
    How does it help the interests of the United States if, out of our cultural ignorance, we require our representatives to begin all diplomatic missions by insulting their hosts? The answer is obvious.

    • DaveH

      Respect goes both ways David.

      • DaveH

        Here in the US we believe in individual freedom and equality. We need bow to no man.

        • RedRiverD

          Hey Winnie,
          Did it ever occur to you that it isn’t arrogance to KNOW the CUSTOMS of other countries and act accordingly.
          It has to do with perception by them, not arrogance by us!
          They will perceive us as subservient if we appear that way from our officials. DUH!!!!
          BTW do you remember 9/11? That is what happens when you don’t act properly to the
          foreign people.

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Red River, it is because of the attitudes and actions of the top American leaders that you are perceived to be arrogrant and above the rest of the citizens of the world. 9/11 happened not because freedom of the USA is hated but because of the arrogance the americans show to other cultures and to other countries. I know that the majority of the americans are good and decent. It just takes a few of your arrogant leaders to make them all look bad. You always have to show the rest of the world how strong and powerful you are. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Remember that phrase? When your forefathers came to North and South America, they forgot to follow their own saying, instead they tried to kill all the original peoples.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No, 9-11 happened because there is a band of people called muslims that seek to kill all who do not think like them, and seek to take control of the world. Has nothing to do with how they are treated or were treated. Nothing to do with that at all. It has to do with a bunch of cold blooded murderers who get a thrill out of killing innocents. Come on man, whats wrong with you. These guys willingly and knowingly strap bombs on the back of their 10 year old children and march them into a bus and blow it all up. And you defend them with this statement you made? Your one sick puppy pal. You need help.

          • Norm

            Beberoni
            9-11 occured because a small group of radical Muslims (15 out of 19 were Saudis who were trained in Afghanistan) attacked America to avenge America’s support for Israel.
            To most arabs, including our friends like Jordan, Eygpt, and Saudi Arabia, Israel is the “little satan”. They believe the Israelis occupy arab land and many are willing to die to see Israel destroyed.
            Israel will never be destroyed as long as the US supports it. We supply money, weapons, technology, and military insurance. We,the US, are therefore the “big satan”.
            As horrible as 9-11 was, it was a brillient move for our enemies. The total cost to their side was less than 1 million dollars and their casualties were miniscule. We’ve invested nearly a trillion dollars and thousands of men and women have been killed and maimed. Whose winning?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            We are, because we are trying to make a difference in the world for freedom for someone other that ourselves. If you dont recognize the giving in that, then I cant help you. If you determine winning and losing by money, then money is your God, and your in deep weeds.

          • Rod James

            Hey Beberoni!!, None of need your help.Your no phyciatrist just arrogant and oppinionated. GIVE US A BREAK!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Berb, if you think the Iraq war was to help someone achieve freedom, you are really smoking the happy weed way too much.

          • denniso

            Beb…you think we’re winning?? We’ve lost thousands of soldiers and maimed another 80,000 and we’re not done w/ the wars!! How the hell can we be winning?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            We have lost more people to car crashs in the same period, should we ban driving cars? Almost as many soldiers died during the Clinton admin, and we werent even in a war then. Hows that stack up for you? How did that happen. Please explain away in your left wing liberal diatribe. Peace is only obtained through force, always has, and always will be that way. Sometimes things get ugly, but its got to be done. Or, we could just keep standing there as they punched away hitting us in the nose time and time again, and just reach for another cigar, and just keep looking the other way, while they set up shops and blow up World Trade Centers, and still you want to take it and not do nothing. That is what truly amazes me. You would have our innnocent people blown up and dead, and you want to say, “gee whiz, if we do nothing theyll go away”. Think again. Gimme a break.

          • denniso

            “almost as many soldiers died during Clinton’s time”???Now that’s an outright lie. Almost no soldiers died during his term. Look it up before you spout..You’re doing what Limbaugh does..Wrong!!

          • http://aol Don

            Not Muslims – radical Muslims.

        • Norm

          Keep buying Toyotas dave.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Quite a good car. I myself prefer Honda, and if lefty’s like you really were interest in the truth Normy Boy, most of your so called “American made” cars, contain more foreign made parts, including those cheap “made in Taiwan” parts, than Honda’s or Toyotas, that are made in mass here in the United States, with American made parts and American Labor. So go stuff yourself in a trunk pal.

          • Norm

            Beberoni
            I was an engineer for a large bearing manufacturer for over 20 years. We made bearings for Ford, GM, and Chrysler. One our plants also made bearings for Honda (they needed more American content). They required that we use their machinery for several operations. Their methods were crude and outdated by our standards. Quite frankly we made beter bearings with our equimpment and processes than they did.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Some American companies remained making good parts Norm. As well they should. All of them should, but unfortunately they dont. But when it comes to good reliable cars, the proof is there Norm. Nobody makes a car that outlasts the Honda’s, Toyota’s and Mazda’s. Sorry, fact is, Ford, Chevy, Pontiac, Chrysler cant touch them. I dont make this up, its just the way it is. I have seen with my own eyes, nice looking Honda CRV’s with 500,000 miles on them, and still running great. Ive yet to see an American made car do that, not that maybe a few have, but most of them conk out at 150,000 miles. But this is just recently. For years American made cars wouldnt get to 80 to 100 thousand before they were shot. Like my wifes Chrysler Plymouth Reliant K Car, bought brand new in 1984 I believe. It was in the junkyard at 65,000 miles, and that was when Lee Iacocca said Chrysler was the best on the market, 7 year 70,000 miles warranty, only they didnt warranty it when it died, because all the oil changes werent done at the dealer.

          • eyeswideopen

            Norm, Berb, thinks if it has American parts, it’s ok to purchase. He doesn’t quite get it that if Honda is on the car, Honda gets the profit. But maybe Honda is giving him free koolaid. lol.

          • DaveH

            I quit buying American autos 30 years ago, because they were crap. Beberoni is right. If you want to buy crap cars for some political reason that is fine. I believe in your freedom of choice, even if you don’t believe in ours.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Dave is right, again. I also like to shop at Walmart. In your eyes, that makes me bad also, and of course, in your eyes, Walmart is bad and should be punished for being successful, as is the democratic way. You would like to take their profits, and give them to, oh, say GM and Chrysler, who have shown they dont know how to successfully run a business, yet you on the left, want to , and do, reward them. And you seek to punish the successful, like Walmart, Toyota, Mazda, Subaru and Honda. Maybe its because you on the left are such failures, you always need someone to give you a hand out and help you out, because your too busy curling up into the fetal position to help yourselves.

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          These people need to do a little reading on customs. The depth of the bow and how it is executed are what determines what it represents. A deep bow with eyes cast down is a bow of defeat or submission. A short bow with the eyes cast to your opposites eyes is a bow of respect! O-man did a very deep bow with his eyes cast down so what did he project to the Japanese???

        • denniso

          DaveH..you are indeed one very tough hombre!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Actually, Dave is a smart hombre and he speaks the truth with what he says, and he researches before he opens his mouth, so he knows what he is talking about.

      • DaveH

        By the way, due to my immense respect for individual freedom, I think that is Obama’s business if he wants to bow. I believe those deep bows make him look buffoonish but that is his choice. I personally think he has his sights set on being the world leader but only Obama knows that for sure.

    • AZ Rifleman

      Like sending a bunch of videos and an I-pod as gifts to the queen of England ?…

      • Joe H.

        AZ Rifleman,
        Yeah and they wouldn’t even work over there!!!! What a dip!!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yeah, videos of himself.

  • Joe H.

    I suppose that the murder of innocent women and children can be explained away that way also? I suppose shooting prisoners for not talking is explained away that way too? give me a break,David!!!

    Norm,
    Yes I know Bush is Gone, He was replaced by Ronald McDonald!!!

    • Claire

      Ronald McDonald is a good guy. He has helped a lot of kids and their families.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You mean the murder of all the innocent women and children on 9-11. All killed by a foreign invader, in pursuit of his muslim ideals. I hope thats what you meant, if you are indeed, a true American.

  • Robert

    To all those who served and died in WWll, my appologies for this knucleheads actions. You truly deserve better from a US President.

  • http://AmericaTakenDown&ChinaOnTheRise RoseC

    It really doesn’t matter which party you belong to, only that you love your country and want to preserve your freedoms. As a second generation patriotic loyal American who loves her country and the American people, I do not believe that we must bow to leaders who “hate” or “like” Americans since it is not presidential nor protocol and unnecessary. I haven’t read that the leaders in the Middle East apologized for their act of war against the American people and agreed to put an end to such acts as they continue to plot or maybe, I missed it. Remember, these monsters killed and injured thousands of innocent Americans, high jacked our planes, and used our tax dollars to attend our schools and live on our soil with hate for Americans in their heart, yet they’re not being tried for hate crimes, as well. They traumatized the American people on 911 which we first experienced on December 7, 1941. And, recently, our U.S. military men and women were slaughtered or injured and left unarmed on a U.S. military base and their families and peers traumatized by a alleged enemy combatant who used U.S. tax dollars to provide for his living and pay for his education. Yet, I haven’t heard that our Commander-In-Chief or public servants in the White House are attempting to stop the trial of three heroes, three United States Navy Seals, who put their lives on the line for all of us. These heroic U.S. Navy Seals according to the news watched four civilians including one U.S. Navy Seal heinously tortured, murdered, dragged through the streets of our enemies where our U.S. Navy Seals were sent to do battle. Yet, to add salt to the wound, the U.S. military court scheduled the trial to begin on December 7, 2009? It matters not what party you are – you only have to have common sense and love your country and the men and women who protect you from another 911 attack or another Ft. Hood or mall attack or whatever, so you can remain safe, so far. In my humble opinion, there is some thing wrong with this 111th U.S. liberal democratic Congress who have turned their backs on their constituents and the American people and are shoving fraudulent climate change, financial unsustainable ObamaCare down our throats that will destroy the free enterprise healthcare industry; ENDA, Cap and Trade, and so forth against the objections of the majority of Americans, but do they care, I thnk not. Vote out every liberal democrat and any conservative or Republican who votes Yes for any of these agendas they trample on the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights as well as those who don’t defend our U.S. military men and women in 2010 & 2012.

    • Carl Casino

      Well said Rose C.
      I will do my best to remove ALL incumbents from office. unfortunately I live in a district that was created to insure a dumb-o-crat is elected.
      I would say God bless America but since America has deserted God I don’t see why God would care one way or the other !!

      • Joe H.

        Carl,
        God loves people and this country is it’s people!!! As long as there are people that love God and his Son he will always love America!!! Read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. God told Lott if he could find One BELIEVER he would not destroy the city!!! Only when he could not find even one, God turned the city to SALT!!!

        • coal miner

          JoeH,

          He didn’t destroy it fire.He turn Lot’s wife into pillar salt.

          • coal miner

            JoeH,

            He destroy the the twin cities by fire and turn Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt. Sorry about the misprint.

      • eyeswideopen

        Carl, don’t feel bad, I live in a state that due to gerrymandering, it is always the Republicans who win. Just keep voting, eventually we can get the turn over going.

        • DaveH

          Then work to change that gerrymandering. It is ridiculous and should be eliminated.

        • Claire

          My town is totally Republican. But hey, that doesn’t bother me, I will still vote for whomever I want and I will certainly do my best to vote for the one I believe will do a good job. Our Republican sheriff got re-elected –shortly after he crashed his car into a telephone pole. No arrest, no DUI, no nothing. Came out smelling like a rose. Unbelievable, but not surprising here.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Then move to Illinois where it is fixed for the mob and democrats, who are one and the same, to run things. You would be at home there. Of course crime is rampant and they are broke, like every liberal state. But hey, youd like it Im sure.

          • Claire

            Beberoni–If you had bothered to read any of my posts you would know I live in Illinois. You would also know by now that I have been a registered Republican for 30 years. You would also know that I voted for Bush, both times. You would also know that instead of clinging to a certain party, I now vote for the person I believe will do the best job.

  • lowell

    all are below him 1 john2:49…. 1john 5:22 He never bowed down to any one! We are to bow down to him,psalms 95:6,7……..Weakness…I think he said bowing to the wrong one is weakness…judges 2:19…exodus 23:24……I could go on…..but he said REPENT ask for forgivness and then you the emeritus favor of GOD would be extended you. There is nothing wrong with opposing your enemies, even though you pray for them to change their ways and seek the kingdom of GOD. There is no capital sin, sin is sin.
    He is superior to everyone……….

    • http://n/a Winnie

      He is superior and he is the one to give us the seven capital sins, pride being one of them. Learn a bit more about your religion.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        He also allows for righteous anger, learn a little more about yours.

        • http://n/a Winnie

          Thou shall not kill. I was taught very well by the Christians. That is why I will walk in Christ’s way the best i know how. Walk in your Christ’s shoes for a mile.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And so then how do you decipher it when God directs Gideon, David and Solomon, Saul and others, to attack the enemy, and kill everyone of them, man, woman and child, and they are ordered to leave no one alive. I read that plain as day. Also, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. In fact, the reason we are in this mess today, is because Solomon, who was the smartest and richest man ever in the world, disobeyed God, and kept some of these foreign women for himself, when he was supposed to kill them all. He also allowed them to keep their false gods, from which the muslim religions and others were spawned. So your sentiments have no weight to them. You are correct in thou shalt not kill, as a direction not to go out and just kill someone. However, if someone is trying to kill you, you better be ready to fight, and Im sure God would want us to fight to preserve our life. You are prostituting the scriptures with what you say.

          • eyeswideopen

            Berb, the difference is that God, is not directing anyone to kill anyone now. The Bible is great history, but you need to acknowledge that he is not speaking directly to anyone on earth at this time, ordering torture or killing, that is all being left up to us.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Oh my gosh. If you really truly believe that God is not talking to anyone on the earth this day, you surely live in a world of darkness. I talk to Him and He to me every single day of my life. How dare you say or insinuate that God doesnt talk to any of us. You are a lost soul if you really believe that, because once again, you speak an untruth.

  • http://GoGov.com Betty Betts

    I remember sitting in Camp Curtin Junior High School autorium in Harrisburg Pa. and hearing President Roosevelt say about the attack by Japan on Pearl Harbor. “This is a day that will live in Infamy”. If Obama gets his health bill, cap and trade bills passed people will say “THIS IS A DAY AND A PRESIDENT THAT WILL LIVE IN INFAMY”. He cares nothing about America, God or the sacrifices of our military over the years to protect us. What church does he go to? Does he even mention Pearl Harbor? He just BOWS DOWN TO THE SON OF THE MAN WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PEARL HARBOR.
    AMERICANS WILL NEVER ALLOW OBAMA TO TAKE OVER THE OUR GOD GIVEN LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE.

    • http://papasi57@yahoo.com si

      you said it !!!! but he …. obama … is just a puppet for more powerful forrces!!

  • gofer

    Obama bowed like a female. Men bow with a slight tilt of the head and body. The women, being subserviant, do the full waist bow like Obama. It was broadly acknowledged as a major faux pas. The Japanese were taken aback by this and many said as much. Obama is cold and unemotionless and his boring teleprompter speeches are nerve grating.

    They are in Copenhagen trying to stop something that isn’t happening and hasn’t happened in over 10 years. The IPCC never forecast this flatlining of temps.It’s a HUGE lie and we will see the fruits of it with taxes added on everything and prices increased on EVERYTHING, especially, electricity and gas.

    This will rightly be referred to as the “Age of Insanity.”

    • http://n/a Winnie

      gofer, tell the Innuits that there is no global warming.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Hey Innuits, there is no global warming. There, I told them for you.

    • Joe H.

      Winnie,
      Explain the FACT that temps have dropped .5 degrees F in the last ten years!!!!

      • http://n/a Winnie

        Joe H. No need to explain. The polar bears are dying because of global warming. Even my grandson knows this fact.

        • Claire

          Winnie–I agree with you. I believe there is global warming. Polar bears are dying. Do people care? No. But, I care.
          And remember, you have a right to your opinion just like everybody else on this site. So keep voicing your opinions.

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Thanks Claire. Now finally someone with common sense.

          • denniso

            Claire and winnie are right..there is global warming. Even if JoeH were correct, 10 yrs of temps don’t mean much of anything. It’s the long term trend that matters,over 250yrs or so. The global climate never follows a straight line..there are many variables and hence many short term fluctuations in the climate.

          • DaveH
          • DaveH

            Would you Liberals please make up your minds which weather catastrophes we are headed to?
            “Certain signs, some of them visible to the layman as well as the scientist, indicate that we have been watching an ice age approach for some time without realizing what we are seeing.” — Betty Friedan (“The Coming Ice Age,” Harper’s, Sept. 1958)

            Even in the 70′s the Liberals were gnashing their teeth about Global Cooling.

          • Curtis S

            Dave H thanks for link… I loved this quote from that article from YOUR link…
            “I don’t think there is any question polar bears are in danger from global warming,” said Andrew Derocher of the World Conservation Union, and a professor of biological sciences at the University of Alberta in Edmonton. “People who deny that have a clear interest in hunting bears.”
            Bear numbers on the west coast of Hudson’s Bay had shrunk by 22 per cent over the past decade, he said.
            “They are declining due to global warming and changes in when the ice freezes and melts in Hudson’s Bay,” he added. He and other scientists in his group are concerned that the retreating ice in the Arctic may pose a danger to future generations of polar bears because of ‘habitat loss’. “The critical problem is the sea ice is changing. “We’re looking ahead three generations, 30 to 50 years.

            Good article! It proves climate change is real and adversely affecting the polar bear population.

          • Curtis S

            By the way DaveH do you just read the headlines or do you actually read the ENTIRE article? I mean, do you just stop reading when you see what you want to see or do you plow through to the actual end of an article?

        • DaveH

          You’ve counted them?

          • Brian O

            Claire
            Wow! you say “hate is part of the problem”.
            Yet you abhor others. Dosen’t that seem hypocritical to you?

          • DaveH

            That’s a Liberal for you Brian. They are above the rules. Their rules are only meant for their opponents.

          • Claire

            DaveH–Go ahead, call me a liberal if it makes you feel better. Me above the rules? Not hardly. What about yourself? I do not profess to walk on water–I am not always right, and neither are you. So now you think I am a liberal–well, I have news for you. Just because I have an opinion concerning some of the people you idolize, that does not make me a Liberal, a Republican, an Independent, or anything else. I read all of these posts, I am trying to determine which way I do want to go. I do value the opinions of others on this site, that is why I am here. If I post something that you do not agree with, so be it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Claire, Claire, Claire. Ive read your posts also. You are a liberal. You are a flaming liberal. Why deny it? Have you read the words you put down in your posts? Liberal Claire. Sorry, got to call a spade a spade here. Liberal, no doubt about it. How can you even refute that. Come on now.

          • Claire

            Geez, flaming Liberal!!! Sure I have voted for a few Democrats in my lifetime. I believe all of us have. And, as I said before, I no longer go with any party even though I am a Registered Republican. I truthfully believe both parties have sold us out. I have gotten to the point where I vote for the person I feel will do the best job. But this no longer applies because whomever we vote for does not turn out to be the person you thought they would be.
            Go ahead, call me a flaming liberal. I’m strong, I can deal with it.

          • Claire

            Brian–yes, abhor means hate and that is exactly what these men put across to the public. It is a constant barrage of garbage that tries to promote and keep inner turmoil within Americans. Sure, I should practice what I preach, but sometimes it is a matter of civility and telling the actual truth, not some twisted form of the truth.

          • denniso

            Claire is one of the most civil and articulate people on this site.Don’t accuse her of incivility. Look at yourselves!!

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Denniso, I am with you on this, Claire is the only level-headed, common sense person. Puts me to shame on what I have said about the white folks of our past. But, as I’ve said before, there are many good and decent white people in the United States and Claire is one of them. Whether she is white or not.

          • coal miner

            winnie,

            what tribe are you?I am from European and cherokee linenage.

          • Claire

            Winnie==thanks for the compliment, sometimes they are few and far between in this world. I am white, but that really does not make any difference. I am of German, Irish, Swedish, and Danish descent. Quite a combination!! And I am proud to be an American. One of our friends (I co-own a show dog with him) is engaged to a part Cherokee lady. She is really a nice person! Bubbly personality and very attractive. She has dark black hair, and very pretty eyes. They have visited with us a number of times. I am very happy for my friend, he is a super nice guy too. They should have a good life.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And all the lefties stick together, united in their attacks. Isnt it a beautiful thing, watching them follow the script to the T?

          • eyeswideopen

            Claire, abhor defination is : to harbor stongly negative feelings. Sweetie, you are no where close to being as hypocritical as some on this post. Some just hate Dem’s because their ex-wife was one. See what I mean? Dave labels everyone a liberal when they don’t agree with him, he see’s a liberal behind everything that goes wrong. He calls denniso names all the time, and you are one of the most courteous on this site. Don’t let those that are hypocrites get you down, they show their hate with the words they use and the labels they attach to the non sheep. I appreciate your viewpoint, so please don’t stop. Radicals bring out the worst in everyone.

          • Claire

            Eyes–No one will get me down. As I have always said: Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me. Gosh, now I sound like my Mother. I find that the older I get, I remember all of her sayings. “Can’t get blood out of a turnip.” “Usless as tits on a boar.” ” Colder than a witches’ tit.” She was a character. I miss her sense of humor, her personality. She was always on the ball, ready to take anything or anyone on. She was a fighter. She was an original–logical, rational, common sense, all that mixed together. Our family get-togethers have not been the same without her. It is like a big gap. God, I miss her.

          • DaveH

            So you think calling someone a Liberal is name-calling? LOL.
            You said it, I didn’t.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No. The left believes that their crap doesnt stink, and that all should do as they say, not as they do. They are the hypocritical party.

          • http://aol Don

            That statement didn’t make sense or were you upset about the “high fives” these ladies were giving themselves? Or was it your favorite mantr?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Its true. You on the left find yourselves beyond reproach. All you do is right, and all those on the right do is wrong. You see how you think things should be and expect all of us to think as you think and do as you do, because you say so. Its not working, sorry. Some of us can actually think and dont follow blindly, and arent quickly led amuck by millions of dollars of television commericials chanting “Change-Change-Change”. Unemployment up from 4 percent to over 10 percent and about to get much worse when the Bush tax cuts are soon to be rescinded. Hows that change working for you now? Its not working for America, and the facts show that. Blind followers.

          • denniso

            Beb…what a fine and intellectual statement you make.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thank you denniso. Thank you very much. First nice post Ive seen by you. Maybe Dave and I are getting through, or maybe its Rush, Glenn and Sean doing it. Doesnt matter, as long as someone gets in and helps you out of the dark cloud your under. Thats what is most important.

          • Claire

            Curtis S —there is certainly something going on. I dread early spring anymore. Tornadoes in January and February in the upper midwest? Unfathomable, but it is happening. Tornado Alley has become larger in depth and width. We were hit in March 2006. It was bad but it could have been worse. We were home at the time so we were able to get the dogs and ourselves to safety. We have to keep a constant watch on the weather all year long it seems. A tornado can pop up any minute and anywhere. Thank the good Lord we have the sirens but they are beginning to scare me more. I have found out that when the sirens go off I realize how “fast” I can be. We have more warmer days during the winter. And the winds–they have been brutal this year. Plus all the rain. I realize we need rain for sustenance but we have had our share this year. Yup, the weather has become unpredictable.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Winnie, be advised. The polar bears the environmentalists are prostituting, died as the result of an arctic storm, and there were three of them. As of today, the artic caps are growing and getting so thick, that parts of them are breaking off because they cant hold their own weight, due to them getting so big. Your left wing Al Gore-Ites, show this and tell you they are melting, but they are not. They will also show you footage of what appears to be melting ice, which is pretty much what snow and ice does everywhere in the summer. I know here it will snow 2 feet or more in the winter, and it melts in the spring. Same with a lot of the scenes these environmentalist show you. They show you polar bears swimming, like all the ice melted, and its not true. This is what they do, they swim to places. If you watch the right channels, you will see what I did this year, that most of them are having to walk 20 miles across frozen ocean to get to open water, and its getting more and more ice every year. So this melting crap is flawed and most of it an out and out lie, using clips that are anything but what they are portrayed to be, and those like you that choose to blindly believe, instead of researching this and finding out the truth. If you want to know, its there, but you wont get it from the environmentalists or Al Gore. They need to convince you and millions of others to believe it, so they can make money, and that is the cold hard truth. Check into it, and youll find the truth.

          • Curtis S

            Could you provide a source for your information? Or is this your opinion?

          • Rod James

            I think the question is if Global Warming is MAN MADE or a natural change in weather patterns. The evidence is strong that there is global warming but the experts in Coppenhagen are deciding how much it is going to cost each of us as a penalty (or money grab). Enviro Hero Al Gore has gone from a nearly broke,failed politician to multi millionair due to this problem. It’s kind of ironic that he is a major player in the new field of Carbon Trading.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And your grandson knows Obama is the best president ever also, doesnt he? Gimme a break.

      • libertytrain

        Joe – Michael Crichton, he was a scientist as well as an author, did a fascinating speech on global warming back in 2005 – and of course, over the years prior to his death – just Google Michael Crichton – speeches on Global Warming – it was an enjoyable read – He was an amazing man.

        • denniso

          Liberty…Michael Crichton had a degree in biological anthropology,not even close to climate science or physics. He got an MD degree from Harvard. That’s true of most of the critics,they’re not climate scientists…they’re geologists,MD’s,biologists,engineers,etc…or worse,no science degree.
          Please open your mind and read this:

          http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/science/earth/09climate.html?pagewanted=3&hp

          • libertytrain

            denniso – I’m not questioning his degrees, medical background, scientific background, only suggesting his article was fascinating and he was a brilliant man. And I was talking to Joe.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If you really choose to believe what the NY Times writes about things, God help you. Your looking in the wrong place if you want the truth. Seek out some geological scientists, not Al Gore’s on the pay scientists. The facts are, since the 70′s, the planet has cooled, the ice caps are growing so big they are breaking off because they cant hold their own weight, then they grow back bigger and bigger. Look into it, but only if you want the truth. If you dont, just keep listening to Al Gore and keep giving him money. Him and the environmentalists like it that way. They dont want you to discover the truth, as it will expose them for the money grubbers they are.

          • DaveH

            Oh yeah, the World Meteorological Organization, an agency of the United Nations which has been pushing the concept of Global Warming for 3 decades, says “the decade of the 2000s is very likely the warmest decade in the modern record”. Of course we can trust them, can’t we? The treaty would only give the United Nations more power. They wouldn’t be lying to us to get more power would they? We all know how much politicians can be trusted, right?
            Somebody’s not being honest here:
            http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/

          • DaveH

            Here’s another:
            http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTlhOTNiOWFlMmMzNmJkOWM3ZTk5NWJkNTU2Nzk5NWI=

            So who are we to believe – The United Nations which has had its eyes on our money, our freedom, and our sovereignty since its inception, or other sources?

          • coal miner

            Denniso,

            I am not questing global warming,but how do you explain the snow storm in the midwest and freezing weather?Canada also experiencing severe weather.I live in Tennesee and it seems a lot colder than last year.They said Mars is getting warmer.Some are saying it is sun spots. Please respond.

          • DaveH

            For those who really want to learn (that leaves you out Denniso):
            http://www.prisonplanet.com/lord-monckton-prosecute-the-climate-change-criminals.html

          • denniso

            Coal miner…Global warming is very complicated. That’s why the deniers can twist the facts around and it;s difficult for we lay people to really follow it. First, warming doesn’t mean that everywhere is warmer all the time. For instance, we’ve been a little cooler, but other parts of the world are hotter. Australia is burning up w/ major fires and drought for the last several yrs. Scientists think that generally warmer temps lead to more turbulent weather. The ocean is warmer and that affects the ocean currents that have a large influence on weather systems around the globe. Wetter, dryer patterns reversing previous long term patterns. Read the article I put the link to above. Read the EPA climate site. Don’t pay attention to sites sponsored by energy companies or political parties,they have a bias.
            Basically, I trust actual climate scientists who are doing the complex research,though they aren’t infallible, more than I trust the naysayers who almost always have NO relevant science education or training. Good luck Miner.

          • denniso

            Coal miner…If you’re going to look into warming,try to read the actual science or people you trust to interpret it. Here’s a good site.
            http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/co2.html

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Be careful, the global warmers will tell you that warming makes things colder. Arent they just wonderful?

    • Claire

      gofer–I believe the age of insanity has been going on for a long time, no doubt longer than you care to admit.

      • eyeswideopen

        Claire, you are correct. Read the evironmental decisions made in 80′s and you will see that they were made to fiscally help the corporations.

  • Palin12

    You must be insane to vote for Barack Hussein.

    • Claire

      And insane to vote for failin Palin.

      • Joe H.

        Claire,
        I usually get along with you but I have to say even Palin would be better than Osama Bin Obama!!!!

        • Claire

          JoeH–and I usually get along with you. I would have voted for Hillary before Palin.

          • Palin12

            Oh no, not the Hildebeast! The most corrupt first lady of all time….whitewater, travelgate, investigations on and on. Hillary Pantsuit thinks she’s entitled to be president just for being a first lady. Name me one thing she’s ever accomplished other than marrying Bill Clinton and riding his coattails.

          • denniso

            One huge diff between Palin and Hillery..Hillery has a decent education and she can actually think pretty well.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Then that is all you have to say. It is totally clear now, that you are a sick individual. You would vote for Hillary? Read the book “Hell to pay”. You need to understand it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Ill vote for her any day. Are you one of those that are scared to death of her, just because she actually represented the people she was elected to represent, and that she actually balanced her states budget, and that your party spend a billion dollars trying to destroy her and her family and couldnt do it? Be prepared. After all your attacks, she will be back, and stronger than ever, and this time, she wont be held back by a 150 year old man running as #1.

        • DaveH

          The dummies have been giving her free publicity for a year now. How could she ask for more? Many people who previously might not have voted for her are probably listening to her speeches now out of curiosity. And when they see that the negativity has mostly been unfounded, she will probably get more votes than ever.
          http://www.thecypresstimes.com/article/Columnists/A_Time_For_Choosing/SARAH_PALINS_APPROVAL_RATING_HIGHER_THAN_BARACK_OBAMAS/25863

          • Claire

            Dave H–Again, you hit the nail on the head.

          • eyeswideopen

            Except she just stated during a recent speech that she “has been so busy raising children and running a state”….oops, she forgot that she resigned over four months ago!!!! LMAO, she is so funny and soon enough people will see that she can’t keep her facts straight, and they will have to acknowledge that American has qualified women who would be acceptable canidates for the office.

  • SIG

    McArthur was an arrogant SOB and that’s wha got him fired. I was there and watched his swagger.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Not sure what point you are trying to make with this, but your statement is true. MacArthurs arrogance and pride got him fired.

    • Curtis S

      SIG you were where when you watched McArthur?

  • D Ikeda

    I am an American who has lived in Japan half my life at this point. My British mother lived here as a child before the war. My father fought in WWII and lost his leg in France. I personally think the American’s are making way too big a deal of this! He was attempting to be deferential in a polite way (!) Something American diplomacy has been low on for quite a while. Furthermore the Emperor has no power in current Japan – zip , nada, nothing. He is simply a figurehead.

    Now in 2009 as compared to the war years, Japan and America have been allies for over 50 years. Japan is host to many bases that are crucial to the US presence in Asia. They don’t have to continue that status. They could change their mind. And with China looming as a potentially not so friendly future world power I think it it totally appropriate to be deferential and kind to one’s allies in Asia.

    • Claire

      I agree with you. Perhaps this is what Obama is doing-he is not kissing butt, he is trying to get along with Japan and China. China owns us lock, stock, and barrel, thanks to PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT here in the U.S. People can’t see this, they don’t want to see this. They are so filled with hate for Obama that they can’t think of anything else. What you have said in your post I have heard before from some Japanese people here in town. They cannot understand why Americans are so full of hate for their Presidents.

      • denniso

        The vast majority of Americans do not hate Obama. It is mostly the extreme rightwing who hate any Democrat and set out to destroy them as soon as one is elected. They follow the lead of Limbaugh,Savage and the other wealthy radicals,who smile at their good fortune created out of their hatefilled and lying spewings.

        • Claire

          denniso–don’t even mention the names of Limbaugh or Beck to me. I abhor both of those radicals. My dogs are certainly more mentally stable than they are.

          • DaveH

            Isn’t abhor the same as hate?

          • Brian O

            We can all have disagreements but can you refute with facts what these men are saying? If so please enlighten me.

          • DaveH

            Of course they can’t Brian. If they had any facts they wouldn’t need to mount their personal attacks.

          • denniso

            I’ve listened to Limbaugh for yrs to see what his blind followers are hearing. He is in the same league as Himmler and goerhing,from Hitlers minnions. He is not very smart but very clever at twisting and manipulating actual facts. If he didn’t spew hate and demonize people he wouldn’t have a show. The only ‘facts’ he states are ones that are not contoversial or that have no bearing on his rant against Obama and ‘liberals’. For instance,yesterday he said there were more women involved w/ Tiger Woods. That may be a fact,but it’s totally irrelevant to any political point. The majority of his ‘show’ is vitriol and hate and bigotry directed at whomever he doesn’t like.
            He and the other hate jocks are using you people to line their pockets very nicely.

          • DaveH

            Unlike Denniso, who is full of love and respect for his fellow human being.

          • eyeswideopen

            Brian, just heard that a movie about Beck in New York only had sold 34 tickets and his Tv viewer have declined by 30% recently. Just a few facts about the beloved crying and conspiracy loving Beck.

          • DaveH

            Eyes,
            Do you think anybody on this board actually buys into your misinformation?
            http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/10/ratings-show-how-quickly-glenn-beck-began-to-dominate-5pm-cable-news/30141

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            But Claire dear, you complain, complain, complain about haters, then you state you hate Limbaugh and Beck. You ommitted Hannity. I mean if ever there were 3 more truthful guys, Ive yet to see them. Why do all of you on the left hate it when someone tells the truth? I really, for the life of me, do not understand why people hate the truth. Amazes me.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The Chinese know they have to be careful with us. Their whole economy depends on the good old USA buying their stuff. This is why they dont demand their money, it would collapse their economy. Their money’s worth would more than double, and their stuff would cost more, and no one would buy it, and they would be done. Check it out, its all true.

        • Claire

          I hope you are right on this. The fact that we owe China so much money really bothers me.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yes, it does me also. And we shouldnt, and we definately shouldnt keep making it worse and adding to it. There is no reason to. Stop taxing so much, let business have their money, let people have their money, and the economy would get so strong and the government out of debt, but they keep wanting to take more and more from us and from business’s, and give more and more to people that dont want to work, to people that have never paid into the system, and to foreigners that not only never paid any money in, they never will, they just take out. This stupidity has got to stop. Drill and use our oil, stop buying theirs. Stop paying farmers not to grow corn, and start growing it again and selling it cheaper here, and selling the excess overseas as an export. There is so much that could be done, but it doesnt seem that the Republicans want to, and the Democrats definately arent going to, because they LOVE their tax hikes, so Im thinking Dave is on to something here.

          • Claire

            beberoni: Good post even though you called me a flaming liberal.

  • coal miner

    Winnie,

    You are correct.I got Native American blood in these veins and indians have been lied too.They had treaties and countless of promises that were broken.

    • DaveH

      Miner,
      Most of the Indians that I have known were very nice people. But knowing human beings as I do, I doubt seriously that they are as innocent as you presume. Have you ever been in a court of law? Or even witnessed a dispute amongst friends or neighbors? Both sides fervently argue that they are the victims. Now, think about the fact that those events occurred hundreds of years ago and none of us were witnesses. How can anybody really know what was fair and what was not?
      It’s past history. Let’s try to do better in the future.
      We certainly had nothing to do with those events.

      • http://aol Don

        There were people that wrote back then. Go to the library and read about it.

        • Claire

          I have read a lot about the Native Indian. And I do believe we killed the majority of them because they were not like us, and we believed them to be uncivilized and mainly to take over the land they had been occupying for years and years. It is only natural that they fought to try and to keep their land. We defeated them and sent them to reservations. Of course they are bitter. It was a major blow to the Native Indian. Can you imagine how they felt? Can you imagine how they feel today? Everything they had for years and years, taken away. We damned near wiped them out along with the buffalo. I only hope and pray they realize that there are still some of us that have compassion for them. I also hope and pray that we take care of America’s treasures–her land, her people, and her wildlife. We have a beautiful country and we must take care of it and each other.

      • denniso

        DaveH…Famous qoute..if we don’t learn from the past we are doomed to repeat it. The last Indian wars were only 140 yrs ago.Don’t you think records were kept and people wrote down what happened..it’s not exactly the dark ages. Anyone who reads knows how poorly and savagely we treated the real citizens of this country. Just because you don’t like knowing what our white ancestors did to the natives doesn’t mean you can dismiss it to the trash heap of history.

  • Merl Elton

    Many Japense cars are made in America creating thousands of jobs here. Japanese cars are usually more reliable and more refined than US cars. American cars are faster but often use more gas and are not always as safe as foreign cars. Foreign cars often have more attractive and classier styling. Many foreign cars; not German cars, are much cheaper to repair and insure than American cars. When the US can match Asian cars for longevity, practicality, quality, and thrift consumers will return; we are not there yet.

    • http://aol Don

      I just bought a Toyota, and my car salesman said that Toyota has more Americans working for them than any company in America. (No – the government is not a company – just not yet.)

  • Merl Elton

    Part of what has caused the high rate of unemployment is the unfair balance of trade; global competition, jobs being eliminated due to automation; jobs going overseas to increase profits; uncontrolled immigration, and the fact that the population has exceeded job growth. It also does not help to tax small business and fine them for not having health insurance or being unionized. The jobs exodus began long before W or Obama; it was given a huge push by Regan and with Clinton through NAFTA. Dems and Reps are just as guilty over the economy. Sometimes I wonder what is the difference between a Dem and a Rep although Reps claim to be conservative; they often do not act on their so called principles as in the case of McCain who is not a true Rep or a conservative.

    • Claire

      Merl–Good point. You are on the right track.

  • Merl Elton

    The significance of the Pearl Harbor attack is that its horror resonates through subsequent generations; as will 911 if accurate history is allowed to be taught. These catastrophic events should never be dismissed or forgotten; because it is said that he who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.

  • coal miner

    DaveH,

    You just stuck your foot in you mouth again,I listen to that reactionary mouth of yours and nothing comes out but s***T.When I saw a fellow miner got crush up in a mines years ago, because the company I work for didn’t follow the regulations set foreward to protect their employees.It is a disgrace.That why unions are needed.You need to go peddle that poisonous libertarian Scab philosophy some where else.It is scab and anti people. You want people join the libertarian movement, you drive people away.You are rude and arrogant. You should rename the American liberitarian Party to American Nazi Party.You never did dangerous physical work in your life.Don’t call me a liberal,I voted for Nixon.He is the only one I ever trusted.

    • DaveH

      Such venom from such a fair and balanced guy.

      • DaveH

        Makes me want to become a Union member. Not!

      • DaveH

        And by the way, I don’t want your kind in the Libertarian Party. We believe in individual liberty, and individual responsibility. We don’t force our way on others like Union thugs do.

        • Claire

          Dave H–You know I think I have to agree with Coal Miner on this. Perhaps if the Union was involved maybe these 27 miners would not have lost their lives. Sometimes these mining companies do not do right by their employees. By this, I mean practicing safety measures, providing good equipment, etc. I remember reading about this and watching it on TV. It was tragic.

          • DaveH

            Claire,
            The beauty of freedom is they don’t have to work for those companies if they think their lives are in danger.
            Under Libertarian philosophy the main (perhaps sole) purpose of government is to protect the citizens from the force of others, both from non-citizens and citizens. Voluntary Contracts. Get it?
            Union thugs are on the other side of that equation.

          • Claire

            DaveH–Sometime people do not have a choice. They have to work where there is work. Even years ago, it was not easy picking up and going (moving) somewhere else to find a job. Sometimes people do like their jobs and they stay. Sometimes people stay where they are because of family. A lot of factors come into play when you choose your life’s work.

          • DaveH

            So, Claire, it’s alright to force yourself on someone else because it benefits you? Pretty good rationalization.
            My brother-in-law was a staunch Union guy. He told me one time that if he had to kill somebody to feed his family, then so be it.
            An extreme (but true) example to be sure, and I’m not implying you would agree with him.

        • eyeswideopen

          DaveH, too damn bad, you can’t keep out those you don’t like. Your party is open to everyone,,,, supposedly, at least according to your party platform. Did they make you the national decision maker for the party members? If so Congrats.

          • DaveH

            Why would thieves and bullys want to join a party that advocates protecting individuals from them?

          • denniso

            DaveH…I thought the libertarians believed in leaving people alone and stand for individual freedom? How would the party protect individuals from bullies and thieves? You gonna have the same size judicial and prison system that we have now??

        • http://aol Don

          Dave in my opinion the Libertarin Party has something in common with all the other parties – their mottos are good – but it is the leaders and spoke people that make or break the party. Therefore, Coalminer might have a point.

  • Claire

    Palin12—Why, I believe they have accomplished about the same.

    • Claire

      Nothing!

      • Palin12

        Sarah became governor of the largest state in the country on her own, not because of who she is married to, unlike the Hildebeast. On a side note, her book was #1 at Amazon and B&N, at the same time Dirty Harry Reid’s book was number 500,000 or so.

        • denniso

          Palin’s book is full of 1/2 truths and misinformation.

          • Palin12

            How do you know that? Have you read it? Or did some liberal lunatic tell you that?

        • Claire

          And she quit too.

          • Claire

            She realized she could make more money on the “other side of the fence” with less responsibilities. I can’t blame her for wanting to make money but then again, how much money does a person need to be happy, truly happy? Sure, people are curious about her, and they like the newness. But “new” becomes old after a while. We must think logically and rationally when we vote. Put parties aside.

          • Palin12

            Barack Hussein Obama should have quit too when he was in the Senate! From the very moment he got there, he spent all his time campaigning for President. The few times he performed his job as senator, he voted “present”. What a waste of taxpayer dollars!

          • Claire

            I believe ALL politicians have wasted our money.

  • Claire

    Palin 12–Now you have me laughing! Hildebeast!!!

    • Palin12

      I have names for all the loonies in Washington, glad you enjoy! Don’t even get me going on that toothless homosexual in massachusetts.

  • Claire

    Jim says–Barfing Bush! Priceless!!

    • jim

      Claire, Your didn’t like Bow bama too?

      • Claire

        Yes, it was cute. I already answered you on this.

        • Claire

          I answered Samuel’s post. Sorry, I thought it was yours. Anyway, they are both funny!!

  • Claire

    Beberoni–I beg to differ with you on the Chevys and Fords. My son has a 1990 Pontiac Firebird that has held up quite nicely. He also has a 2000 Ford SUV that has held up too. My old ’94 full-size Chevy Van has 197,057 miles on it. It has been all over the USA hauling show dogs. And it is still going. The ’92 Roadmaster has about 40,000 miles and it purrs. But I don’t like it–it is huge. I look like a dwarf in it. I’d rather drive my old van. The Jeep has been a good one. It has about 60,000 miles on it. Other than normal maintenance we have not had any problems. But maybe I better shut my mouth. Something may happen tomorrow.

    • Claire

      And I still want a HUMMER!!!

    • Claire

      beberoni—Egad!!! How could I forget!!! I love my ’69 Chevy Camaro Rally Sport with the hideaway headlights! It is charcoal gray, black vinyl top, black leather interior. 350 4-barrel. It will haul. I am so silly but we bought it new for $3600.00 back then. Unbelievable. And look at the prices today!

  • http://aol Don

    DaveH, your suggested readings usually are contradicting and opinionated. The commentator about global warming said one thing, but when I looked up the links, the information said something else. The commentator said the oceans are getting cooler, but when I looked at his facts, it said the oceans have been getting warmer. The other links said that the 8 warmest years have been in the last decade. Other sites I have been reading said the oceans have been getting warmer, too. One fourth of the ice caps have been getting larger, but three fourths have been getting smaller. This is why some polar bears are thrivng and some are not. The commentator about Obama bowing sounded like a Japanese Glen Beck – he was just as rediculous.

    • DaveH

      I post those links so others can decide for themselves. If I stated only my own opinions you would accuse me of being biased. I give the readers choices. I thought the Obama bowing video was a little strange myself, but entertaining and thought provoking. I know that you, Denniso, Eyes, and Norm would prefer that the readers be spoonfed only with your propaganda. Sorry, it isn’t going to happen that way.

    • denniso

      Don, thanks for the good comment. I’ve given up looking at those biased links,now you see why. The global warming deniers will continue screaming just like the flat earthers still do,science and the world will move on.

    • James

      Don, Oceans are getting cooler because more icebergs are melting in them, while the land is getting warmer. The temperature differential between oceans and land is what’s causing the more damaging storms, several weather forecasters have remarked on this.

  • Claire

    Dave H–It is not a matter of forcing oneself on another. It is simply doing what you feel you have to do. It is doing what you want to do.

  • DaveH

    Andy Stern. He wants the workers of the world to unite. Damn our Sovereignty:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSllsTLkBsw

  • DaveH

    If you like the force of Big Government and Unions, then Obama is your man:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJ5GnAUDQc

  • David Hall

    Why are alot of people, soooo surprised about Obama running around the
    world bowing and kissing hinnies, (same thing) to all these world leaders, when he is selling us out (U.S.A) every step of the way. It’s
    to be expected of him (Obama). Our Generals and troops better beware,
    because if he will sell out our liberties and freedoms, he’ll damn sure sell out our troops! Come on you, liberal goones, I ready for ya!

  • Merl Elton

    The Stimulus Bill gives politicians millions of our hard-earned dollars to play around with. Already millions of dollars of so-called stimulus money grossly lost or unaccounted for. Nice work if you can get it.

    • denniso

      I wonder, did you complain about all the waste and insider deals involved in Iraq w/ haliburton,Blackwater,etc…?? Probably not. The repubs are so pure and clean they never fall prey to greed or corruption or backscratching!! Or, maybe you and the other carpers here don’t mind when your tax money is wasted if it goes to war and munitions and explosions and guns and killing and the military industrial complex…because that’s what America is supposed to be all about.

      • David Hall

        LOOK DUMBNISO, BUSH MADE PLENTY OF MISTAKES, AS ALL PRESIDENTS DO, MANY
        PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR BUSH, INCLUDING ME, DIDN’T AGREE WITH GOING TO
        WAR WITH IRAQ. IT STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN. BUT BUSH, DIDN’T COLASPE &
        DESTROY OUR NATION, LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMS! MAN, YOUR LIBERALS COULDN’T SEE S**T IF IT WAS ON THE END OF YOUR NOSE. OBAMA IS CONTINUALY SPENDING TRILLIONS WITH NO END, END SIGHT. DO THE DAMN, MATH, MAN. PLUS, IS WELL ON HIS WAY OF CONTROLLING, EVERY ASPECT OF
        OUR LIFES. EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THE BIOGRAPHY OF HITLER, WHAT HE DID
        AND HOW HE CAME TO POWER. IT ALMOST A CARBON COPY OF WHAT OBAMA IS DOING. YOU VOTED FOR THAT, FILL IN THE BLANK, AND IT’S ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES YOU’LL EVER MAKE. MAN, YOU PEOPLE ARE AS BLIND, AS A DAMN GOOSE IN A HAIL STORM.

        • denniso

          David Hall…chill out dude! Then actually look into what Bush/Cheny did w/ surveilance of Americans,busting the budget,ignoring the warning signs of the bubble about to burst because they don’t believe in regulating biz. Get back to me in a yr or so after you’ve done your homework.

          • David Hall

            Denniso, Hey dude, I’m as cool as a cucumber. Bush, spent cump change,
            compared to what your messiah and his angels are spending. Yeah, your
            one cool dude, ain’t cha? Man, I tell ya, I wish, I could see and understand your great wisdom in messiah Obama and his angels. Cool dude, you got it all together, ain’t cha, boy?

          • denniso

            Bush?Cheny spent chump change?? SO, 1 trillion on the ‘drug plan’..another trillion on an illegal war in Iraq,before it’s done…1/2 a trillion on the beginning of the financial bailout…another trillion for tax cuts for the wealthiest,that helped cause the budget deficit. SO,let’s see,a little higher math and you get,WOW,only 3 1/2 trillion $$. Yep,looks like chump change to me too.

          • David Hall

            Denniso, where did you did those numbers, out of a comic book? Even, if
            the numbers your quoting were true, 12 trillion deficit and climbing,
            minus Bush’s so-called 3 trillion, is cump change compared to what your
            messiah obama and his angels are spending. Just, like you wrote, American people can count their money after your, spend and tax, commie
            is done in 3 yrs. Like, I say, numbers don’t lie, people do, especially
            when they’re cooking the books.

  • coal miner

    Beb,

    I have being working in the union coal mines every since I was seventeen years old.I don’t have black lung.The reason,unions would make the mine employers follow the health regulations,scab mines usually don’t.Unionized mines are the safest and cleanest places to work in.We even rival factories.If scab employers would think of their employees and instead trying to save a few lousy illegal bucks,the public wouldn’t have to foot the bill on black lung payments.Everybody comes out a head on that.

    • David Hall

      Sir, anytime the federal government puts regulations on any industry,
      Health, factories, oil companies, colleges, public schools, state, county and federal prisons, trucking industries, and automotive industry, THE CONSUMER ALWAYS FOOTS THE BILL, ALWAYS! Why do you think,
      an automobile costs so much? Sir, think about what your writing. Some
      of us were born at night, but not last night.

      • denniso

        Brilliant!! I guess you need the definition of consumer…That is EVERYONE who lives in a given society. Everyone who lives is a consumer and to live you have to consume and it is products produced by business that we all consume..so of course we ‘foot the bill’.Business makes a profit on what they sell to ‘the consumer’…US! Businesses are made up of people who are also CONSUMERS. Having decent wages or safety regs or pollution regs of course adds $$ to the cost of goods,but it is spread among everyone,even the people who make the products,because they are also CONSUMERS. The prices of cars are cheaper than they were 50yrs ago when you figure in inflation..which you have to do to compare real costs. If you want to turn things back to the 19th century,move to a 3rd world country and see how you like it. I don’t think you will.

        • David Hall

          Hey , how you get your panies in a wod. I AGREE, damn explain it to your buddy Mr. Coal Miner. He was writing about his union health-
          care and said it wouldn’t cost us a dime. It will if the Federal Government Regulates it.

          • coal miner

            David hall,

            You are sticking your head in your know what again. You have to have regulations,any fool knows that.Denniso, don’t pay any attention to this mental charlatan,just laugh and go on.I never have been inside a hospital becuse of health illness do to my job.There are alot of people drawing black lung and it is costing the public tax payer.If these companies would follow these guide lines and safety-health regulations ,we wouldn’t have these problems.Please David, don’t run your mouth about something you know little or nothing about.If you know how silly that sounds.You would be embarrassed.

          • David Hall

            Coal Miner, Read what I said, MY POINT WASN’T ABOUT TO REGULATE OR NOT
            TO REGULATE. MY POINT WAS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT (REGULATES) IT’S PASSED TO THE CONSUMER, PERIOD, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE’RE GOING TO PAY. AND, SIR, YOU TOO DAMN OLD, TO BE CALLING PEOPLE A FOOL, FOOL. YOU NEED TO TO CAREFUL. DRINK SO WARM MILK, YOU’LL BE O.K. MERRY CHRISTMAS & MANY HAPPY NEW YEARS!

          • denniso

            The facts of life are that working people and consummers pay for everything..of course. Who else would pay? Corporations make profits off of us buying their crap..gov’t is only the representative of the people,they don’t pay. The question id,do you want to pay for necessary products AND breathe foul air and drink toxic water and screw the climate to hell,OR, pay for products that cost a little more and breathe and drink clean air and water and have a healthy earth??

  • http://www.TheObamaFile.com Beckwith

    To Denise — Here’s what the Chairman of the Communist Party USA has to say about Obama:

    Sam Webb, Chairman of the Communist Party USA says that slightly over a year ago, the American people elected a young African American to the presidency and increased the Democratic majority in the Congress. Obama’s victory represented a repudiation of right-wing ideology, politics and economics and a setback for neoliberalism in both its conservative and liberal skins.

    This victory was a long time in coming. When it finally happened it did so not only because of the brilliance of the candidate, but also due to the broad shoulders of a people’s coalition.

    The swing in the political pendulum ushered in the possibility of a new era. After 30 years of right-wing dominance, the balance of political power tilted once again in a progressive direction.

    Though that tilt wasn’t far enough for a people’s agenda to be easily enacted, political advantage did shift, and that’s no small accomplishment.

    Perhaps it is obvious, but if McCain and Palin had been elected, a public option would not be in the center of the conversation — in fact, health care reform wouldn’t even be on the agenda. The Employee Free Choice Act would be off labor’s wish list. The stimulus package would be far smaller and unemployment much higher. There would not be a Puerto Rican woman on the Supreme Court. Our government would be actively supporting the coup regime in Honduras, and relations with Cuba would be frozen or worse. Legislation extending hate crimes to include anti-gay violence would still be on the “to do” list. And not a word would have been mentioned about the abolition of nuclear weapons.

    In short, Obama’s election has made a difference, and the progressive movement has space to dream again. There are limits and obstacles to be sure, but what should frame our outlook are hope and possibility. The great reformer of the 20th century, Rev. Martin Luther King, taught us this lesson.

    There’s more — http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/1070

    Obama’s agenda is the agenda of the Communist Party USA — how nice!

    Check it out, the Chairman of the Communist Party USA says progressivism IS communism.

    • James

      Beckwith, I would suggest Obama’s election represented a repudiation of our middle-east war policy. Obama was elected because he promised to end those wars and bring our men home. Now that he has renigged, he’s fair game. Commensurate with that, PM Tony Blair is now being investigated for the role he played in our invasion of Iraq. He is now saying that whether there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq or not, the war still was still the right thing to do. Isn’t that saying ‘please don’t hang me’?

      • jim

        Hi James, Tony is saying it was the right thing to do, not don’t hang me. I know you’re disipointed that we haven’t surrendered yet, just wait 18 more months and Afganistan will be done. I’m not sure when Obama will think he has convinced the sheeple that we should quit in Iraq.

        • James

          Jim, Both Bush and Blair knew that Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. They knew that Congress would never authorize military force there unless Iraq was a threat to the United States, hence the need for the WMDs. In Bush’s speech to Congress in 2003, he intimated that Secretary George Tenet had confirmed that Iraq had such weapons. However, Mr. Tenet has, since, written a book wherein he denied ever saying that. At that time, there were no al Qaeda or Taliban rebels in Iraq, and let’s remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.

          • jim

            Hi James, Since you want to beleive that Blaire and Bush knew that there were no wmd’s and just wanted to go anyway for what ever reason you are mistaken. Iraqi scientists, who had defected to the U.S. had testified that he had them. I don’t know if they thought to be accepted by us they needed to say that to make them seem more valuable or why they said it. On a segment on 60 Minutes,(no freinds of the Bush administration) the FBI agent that spent alot of time with Sadam after he was captured why he led people to believe he had them, even at the risk os the U.S. and other countrys invading. He replied that because he feared neiboring countys like Iran and the Saudis, he wanted them to think he had them. Hezbala and Hamas had training camps in Iraq, maybe not involved in 911, but terrorists and potential threats all the same.

          • James

            Jim, The reason we invaded Iraq was because Israel perceived Iraq as a threat to them. President Bush knew perfectly well that Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, and also that bin Laden was in Afghanistan. He dispatched our military ‘advisors’ there in December 2001, just three months after the 9/11 attack. Commander Dalton Fury was one of those, and in his book “Kill Bin Laden” (2008), he described in great detail, his mission there. They were fairly sure that they had killed bin Laden, but not positively. We now know that our forces there did kill bin Laden on December 13,2001, which was the same day the obviously phoney bin Laden made his first television appearance.
            We attacked and killed bin Laden, in his sanctuary in Afghanistan, over two years before Bush invaded Iraq. Think about it.

  • David Hall

    Forgive me, Mr. Coal Miner, I forgot, I was trying to communicate with
    an Obama man, again. I put it this way, so an earth-worm can understand it. WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTY REGULATION, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT COUNTY, PAYS FOR IT. (COUNTY, TAX-PAYERS). WHEN YOU HAVE A STATE REGULATION, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT STATE, PAYS FOR IT.(STATE, TAX-PAYERS). WHEN YOU HAVE A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REGULATION, THE
    CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, PAYS FOR IT. (U.S.A. TAX-PAYERS). WHY DO YOU THINK, PEOPLE WITH A BRAIN THAT WORKS, ARE FREAKING
    OUT ON YOUR SPEND AND TAX, OBAMA MAN. WE U.S.A. (TAX-PAYERS) HAVE GOT TO PAY FOR ALL THIS!

    • william

      you are probably referring to the health care issue, right? You see, I am one of those Americans w/o health insurance. I’d prefer to see it play out. Regulation could be a better way possibly. But I’ll give you a “f’rinstance” I went to the hospital with a ‘cold’. Was admitted. Had 7 or 8 breathing treatments because I also suffer from asthma. The total of the bill was $10,000. I won’t go into detail but the itemized items were priced ridiculously high. I suppose it was high to pay for those who couldn’t pay (myself being one). Something has to give. Make insurance affordable for all. But I don’t really have the answer. W didn’t have the answer. But does Obama? Don’t know but at least he’s trying.

  • william

    why do you let pepperoni continue making crack pipe jabs at denniso?? I hope it is not because he disagrees with you, is it?

  • Jack Carter

    Obama’s reign may be coming to an end as Judge Carter presides over the birth certificate trial in California.
    We can’t shed this tick fast enough!

  • Norm

    This is plain nonsense.
    Let’s not forget that the American taxpayer rebuilt Japan, after WW2, into the industrial giant that it is today. And how concerned are you about the Hondas and Toyotas that almost bankruped the American auto industry? Turn on your Hitachi, Panasonic, Sony etc. electronics and ask why there is no longer a US electronics industry. Check out the inbalance of trade with Japan.
    And you worry about a “bow”, that means no more than a handshake?
    How about George W. Bush KISSING Saudi Arabian king Abdulla on January of 2008? Lest we forget, 15 of the 19 who carried out 9/11 were Saudis — bin Laden (also a Saudi) family members were immediately rushed out of the country to secure them from retaliation.

  • Norm

    Jack
    Your hitting the punchbowl again.

  • http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/ Publius Huldah

    Correction: Re the supposed trial Jack mentioned which is supposed to take place this January where Judge David O. Carter is the judge:

    Judge Carter granted Defendants’ (Obama, et al) Motion to Dismiss on October 29, 2009. You can read Judge Carter’s 30 page Order Dismissing Plaintiffs’ case at this link:

    http://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/Cacd/RecentPubOp.nsf/0/8fc0c9eea056e9e78825765e005ccf99/$FILE/SA09CV00082%20DOC(ANx).pdf

    The Link I posted earlier today was to the docket sheet of the U.S. Supreme Court for another Obama birth certificate case which, about a year ago, it refused to hear.

    Sorry for the confusion! PH

  • http://nil Deacon/Brother Ludano Dan Flores Biding, esq.

    Deacon Ludano Dan say’s bowing to an equal is manifestation of cowardness and imcompetence, per see.

    I must have rmembered when WW II broke in I was about 11 years old s roman Catholic parenthood no more or less, indeed. It was in our darkness hour of our Philippine history, these Japs atrocties deemed they killed ever person young and old alike they found in the streets because they don’t have God, these Korean and Japs soldiers alike were brutal, they robbed our rice staples in the wild rice plantation in our field took it in their war shipped in the Pacific oceans managed to run amocked, thinking they would fled to destiny of death.

    USN and heavy fighter places spotted them bombed the devil’s runway.

    The rest of this criminality now in archived not to be forgotten.

    It was written in blood.

    Deacon Ludano never bow to anyone to this people they must show respect in time of peace and tranquility.

    May God bless to the victims of infamy.

    Submitted by:

    Deacon Ludano Dan Flores Biding, esq.
    York South-Weston ON Canada

  • Joe H.

    May all of our true heroes that died as a result of the cowardice of Japans leaders rest in peace as we reflect on the days we were a true world leader and not a laughing stock as we are under this person we have in charge now!!!!

  • http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/ Publius Huldah

    Jack,
    I am bombarded with emails saying things which are not true. Someone just makes this stuff up.

    The TRUTH is that Judge Carter dismissed that case a year ago. Here is the link to the Court’s Docket Sheet. There you can read Judge Carter’s Order (30 or so pages) dismissing the case. He also blasted one of the plaintiffs’ counsel.

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htm

    I am a lawyer, and so believe NOTHING I hear about a case unless I see it on the Court’s official docket. BTW, a “docket” is the official listing of all the papers filed in a case. With on-line dockets, you can often read the actual document!

    The People must stop passing on unsubstantiated rumours. I never pass on anything unless I have documented that it is TRUE.

    So, Friend, let this be a “teaching moment”. PH

  • Chester Campbell

    Let’s concentrate on the horrendous things Obama has done to hurt this country and not weaken the case by dwelling on trivialities. I was in World War II and it was a completely different time when MacArthur met the emperor. Today Japan is a valued ally. I have a Korean daughter-in-law, and when I met her parents in Inchon they bowed to me in greeting and I returned the bow. This is not like meeting European royalty. The bow is an Oriental greeting like our handshake. Everyone does it to everyone else. There is nothing subservient about it. So forget the bows and hit Obama where it hurts–bailouts, deficits, crashing dollar, healthcare, etc.

  • David A. Celaschi

    He(bo) needs to be removed (REMOVED) from the office of our country,along with all the rest who do not support our constitution and our laws (of the people, by the people,FOR THE PEOPLE)not for them selves.I do not have to name them, you all know who they are.When is every one going to wake up and see this for exactlywhat it is!These self proclaimed Hitlers are TAKING our country away from us for them selves!Where are our leaders ,our armies our GENARALS,whom are supposed to do the job they swore to do,UP HOLD THE CONSTTUTION OF THESES UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!Ijust find it very sad and dis-heartening that we are just going to stand by and let them do it,but we are!Where in GODS name is our courage! This is not revelation, yhis is REVOLUTION.As in the ppast its time to stand up and be counted! If we can’t stand then,then we are all lost. They are not going to hand it back to us!we are going to haveto take it back, as we have allways done!

  • Norm

    Joe H
    George W Bush is gone. The laughing has stopped.

  • David Long

    Let us not raise cultural ignorance to an art form and inflict harm on ourselves and our country. When you walk into a Japanese person’s home, out of respect, you take your shoes off. It’s a cultural thing. When you enter a Jewish synagogue or Christian church, out of respect, you wear appropriate clothing and behave in the appropriate manner. It’s a cultural thing. When sitting in an American classroom you remove your hat to show respect to the teacher. It’s a cultural thing. When you are careful never to give insult by showing an Egyptian the bottom of your shoes when sitting in his or her presence, it’s a cultural thing. Our downed WWII pilots were treated more harshly than they otherwise would have been by the Japanese because they were culturally unaware that bowing in the Asian culture is a sign of respect and not weakness.

  • Bill

    I not only find the information from you very informative I do feel it is absolutely necessary for survival today. Thank you for your efforts

  • johnson

    obamas objective is to bankrupt America so as to accomplish his muslim objective

  • DaveH

    Nicely said Chester.

  • Samuel

    What’s the difference between obama and his dog Bo?
    Bo has his papers!

  • http://shirleypalalsathena@gmail.com Shocked and Puzzled Lady:

    thank you, Publius….TRUTH is so very hard to find. Even in the days of Isaiah in the Bible, he said “truth is no where to be found”. Let us all be careful and mindful.

  • Average Joe

    Publius Huldah says:
    December 7, 2009 at 8:15 am,
    If you are a lawyer(?), please tell me what the New Jersy case that you mentioned….have to do with the California case which was filed in Santa Ana Federal Court in October of 2009? I will conjecture that 1) you didn’t read the post entirely 2) you are not a lawyer, or 3) Just spouting to hear yourself. Which is it?
    The Californisa Case was filed by Orly Taitz on behalf of military personel wanting clarification as to whether or not Mr.Obama is in fact qualified to hold the office of President/Commander in Chief of the United States of America. The Judge in that case is a retired military officer and stated on the record that this was indeed a serious matter and denied the Attorney’s for Mr. Obama a request to dismiss the case. The Case is scheduled to be heard sometime in January 2010.As a Lawyer I would think that you would have noticed the mention of the California case…but you didn’t, you brought up the New Jersey case concerning Denofrio. I sure am glad you are not my Attorney.

  • Trisha

    It is worse now…I wish we could laugh….we will never laugh about this presidency; we will look back in horror.

  • William

    Now the crying has begun.

  • AZ Rifleman

    So has the respect…

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Thank God for a man like George W. Bush, who actually had a pair to stand up to these terrorists and show them were not going to sit on our duff like Bill Clinton and take it anymore. Now, the dems are planning their cut and run strategy, and have even went into an all time low, telling the enemy what our plans are. Un stinking believable. Sick, sick, sick.

  • Earl G

    Not only did the USA fund Japan’s resurgence as an industrial power, we have spent the last 68 years defending their shores with our military; at what cost? If your interested in true Japanese wartime behavior well beyond that of the Bataan Death March, check out Imperial Army Unit 731. At 64, I’m not here because of the Japs, I’m here in spite of their best efforts.

  • Neil

    Obama bowed because HE is inferior. Unfortunately, that makes the rest of us look inferior!

  • DaveH

    Japan did not almost destroy our auto industry. The UAW did that, and it continues.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Correction, we rebuilt them, but not into the industrial giant they are today. You see Norm, we taught them the American way of doing business back then, when we were on top of everything, and that way was to build quality products at a good price and to stand behind those products. Hey, give them credit, they listened. Meanwhile, our companies, ie GM, Chrysler, Ford, etc, all decided to produce cheap junk and charge more for it, sacrificing quality control, and really not caring. That is why they are in the shape they are in, along with being dictated to by their union workers as to when they will work and how hard. It used to be that other countries wanted things tagged “Made in USA” on them. Then somewhere in the greed mix, our companies decided to send their rejects over seas, and started selling them junk also, and they stopped wanting our inferior products. We lost our way of doing business, and the Japenese embraced it, and now look at how things are. Instead of paying attention to good business practices, we cared more about political correctness, government red tape, rules and regulations, and taxes of all kinds and basically the government now hamstrings our business’s with too many taxes, and punishes those that are successful, and rewards those that fail, again, ie GM, Chrysler. Its a shame, and with the guys running things now, its not going to get better any time soon.

  • denniso

    You ranters have nothing better to complain about?? Obama showed cultural courtesy in Japan, nothing more. They bow to each other there rather than shake hands..so what??? Obama did both in a show of respect to a leader of one of our very important world allies. I know, we are the top dog and the top dog never cowtows to anyone..but you know what? The disrepectful thugs Bush/Cheny are gone,so get used to a more civilized gov’t!

  • Duane

    Neil,
    I’m not inferior to no man. I’m just as good as any man. At the end of life, we all get the same amount of real estate, 6X6X36!! Obama will get his and 3 days after he is dead, he too will be forgotten!! Since he is the WORSE president that this country has ever seen, I just hope his ugly picture isn’t put on the wall beside the rest of our presidents. Oh, I almost forgot, Clinton and Carters picture should be taken down also!!

  • Claire

    A person only looks inferior if they are inferior. I believe Bush bowed to someone also a few years ago.

  • Claire

    It certainly doesn’t make me look or feel inferior. It doesn’t bother me. The economy and lack of jobs bothers me. We have more important things to hash around.

  • DONELL DUMOND

    A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT WILL BE CREATED AT THE COPENHAGEN SUMMIT IF PRESIDENT OBAMA AGREES OR SIGNS A TREATY. FREEDOM AS I HAVE KNOWN IT SINCE CHILDHOOD AND WHAT I WAS TAUGHT IN ELEMENTARY AND HIGH SCHOOL WILL BE LOST FOREVER. THE WAY THE U.S IS HEADING IS VERY DANGEROUS. THE PEOPLE OF THE U.S WHO HAVE KNOWN AND APPRECIATED FREEDOM FOR OUTSIDE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTIONS ARE CONCERNED. WHY DOESN’T OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS LISTEN TO THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS. THE GLOBAL WARMING, OR SHOULD I BE POLITICALLY CORRECT, THE CLIMATE CHANGE CONFERENCE WILL RAISE THE COST OF U.S GOODS AND GIVE TO THE POOR NATIONS.

  • denniso

    johnson…you need help dude!! what a bunch of paranoia emanating from you and others here. Get a grip and do some independent thinking and reading. You’re over the edge!!

  • DaveH

    Typical Liberal comment. No facts, just personal attacks.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Norm, pass denniso the crack pipe. Its his hit.

  • James Kenderdine

    You ignore the significant differences in the circumstances in which they met with the Emperor of Japan:
    MacArthur was the Supreme Commander of the Allied Armies which had defeated Japan and forced her to surrender and a long and bitter war.
    President Obama was a visiting Head of State observing the customs of the country he was visiting. I have lived in Japan, and there EVERYONE bows to EVERYONE. It is a sign of mutual respect, much as a handshake in the US and Europe.
    There is a time gap of 54 years between the two meetings-almost a full generation. And the current Emperor is not the same one who allowed WWII to start and who surrendered.

    To characterize our President’s action as “more of a bend-over-and-grab-the-ankles moment” displays a woeful ignorance of both history and Japanese culture.

  • DaveH

    Donell,
    Man-Made Global Warming has been thoroughly debunked. The only people who still fear it are those who haven’t bothered to do any research.

  • DaveH
  • denniso

    David…you love the military,so don’t you trust that they are comfortable w/ Obama? If he were doing what you foolishly think he’s doing,wouldn’t the generals be up in arms? You’re out to lunch and off the wall.

  • DaveH

    David,
    It’s probably quite a conflict for military personel because they are trained to follow and in the oath to uphold the Constitution, they also swear to obey the President.

    “I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

  • DaveH

    Respect? Like you show for the other commentors? Ranting? That’s funny because a rant typically is a mindless tyrade against others and that fits your comments to a tee.
    I’m glad that you post on this board Denniso, so fence-straddlers can see what Liberal Leftists are all about. No facts, just attacks. No wonder the Democratic Party has been perverted into the Party of Force.

  • coal miner

    denniso,

    They shouldn’t throw stones at President Obama.We can all remember George Senior with the Japanese Prime Minister,George Senior was having lunch with him,only George was under the table.He really show that yellow streak up his spineless back,he actually puke on him.We can always wait to the next Republican President to perform the same act,only this time with the Arabs.

  • AZ Rifleman

    Civilized Government ? All I’ve seen so far is a bunch of crooks, criminals, and folk’s that don’t know how to keep promises…

  • James Kenderdine

    Get real – it was the genius of Todada, founder of Toyota, and his staff plus the lack of vision, and hubris, of the auto company executives that crushed the US auto industry. GM, in a joint venture with Toyota, took a pickup truck assembly plant in California that it was planning to close as “unprofitable” and using UAW labor and Toyota management turned it into a very profitable affair.

    Then, in the genius (and hubris) that GM has displayed since the 1950′s, it shut down the joint venture and closed the plant.

  • DaveH

    This is an interesting take on the bow:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO8_E2NDNO8

    Read some of the comments. Eye-opening.

  • Norm

    Keep buying Toyotas and living in fantasyland.

  • Norm

    PS. Who taught the Japs to build cars??

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Once again Dave, you hit the nail on the head and speak the truth, but the libs on this site wont have none of it.

  • DaveH

    Like you do any reading Denniso. If you did, you would know that the Democratic Party is the party of the 3 w’s, the wanters, the whiners, and the wasters.

  • http://shirleypalalsathena@gmail.com Shocked and Puzzled Lady:

    I read a lot, listen to various newscasters (left, right, Christian, whomever) a lot and think a lot….trying to know the truth. Some of the truth is:
    1) Our President Obama does not seem to be proud of or love America
    2) Our President Obama is not really helping America; in fact, several things he’s doing and ordering are harmful to us
    3) He also IS very narcissistic-acting and is not even SOOO qualified
    in certain matters, i.e, military
    4) He kowtows not only to Emperor Akihito but to Muslims everywhere and their agenda who only want to kill and destroy ALL unbelievers!!!

  • DaveH

    Another personal attack and unsupported statement from the Liberal Denniso. Surprise, surprise.

  • Dan-o

    It’s idiots like denniso who are passive to what is going on and when it all falls apart there sitting and saying what happened this is is not what i wanted boo who. People its time to get your balls of the mantle and get bussy.

  • Pat R

    Denniso:

    Consider this while you are drawing from your “pot-pipe” or is the kook-aid?
    I can assure you that the Military is not tooo happy with the “commander-in-reign” They are committed to America; not to Obama!
    How could they feel any desire to be led by this person who has almost condoned what the Fort Hood jihadist has done to our Soldiers on American soil? Obama refuses to use the word “Terrorist” and exemplifies his “true” Muslim breeding condoning Jihads and Shariah law.

    Maybe the “party-animals” crashing the White House dinner was just a
    trial run; to see how easy it would be to get in. Maybe the next time there will be a different outcome!!

    Is the United States Military pleased with this leadership (with no
    leadership qualification on military matters)? HELL NO!!!!

  • AZ Rifleman

    There’s a big difference between comfort and loyality…

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I think if he walked out in front of them on the field of battle, in a place not seen by all, they would frag him. I have no doubt about this. He handcuffs and hamstrings our military, and sends young men into the deathbowl, while giving the enemy our withdrawal plans, which if you have anybrains, means we arent here to win, and many of our soldiers are being ordered not to fire. He and his democrat ilk have done their best to turn this into Vietnam II, where we have no intention of winning, and our guys are put at risk and not allowed to fire. They have to read Miranda rights, like these guys are U.S. Citizens or something. Its all wrong.

  • RedRiverD

    You know, as President of this Great Nation, you would think that this guy would have at least LEARNED the “CUSTOMS” of the countries that he is visiting so as not to look too stupid. Guess not.

  • Norm

    What does YOUR ranting have to do with the price of rice in Japan?

  • s c

    Perverts, preverts and inverts. What a grand legacy the democrats have given America.
    Granted, we have our share of flaws, but when it comes to making ‘friends’ at any cost [dead voters, switching sides when it's convenient, spending other people's money,
    recruiting mental defectives for czars, indebting future generations to a life of indentured servitude, lusting for absolute power, reversing policy but denying that they did it and using fake environmental issues as a religion] nobody does it better than democrats and their camp-followers known as progressive ultraliberals. In the truest democrat sense of the word, what a legacy these people have created.

  • Robert

    The problem is that neither one is doing anything for us.
    They both have wedge issues to keep the masses divide.
    -Both sides allow the WTO to control our trade. (unconstitutional)
    -The CFR to create policy for the greater good. (unconstitutional)
    -The federal reserve to control our currency. (unconstitutional)
    -They both take our rights away in the name of saftey.(unconstitutional)
    -Do nothing to protect our borders.
    -Subsidize the banks and wall street.

    We need to see through the smoke and understand that they have a global agenda and they don’t care about the USA.

  • DaveH

    It is simply a tool in the hands of the politicians who want to finish taking what’s left of our freedom.

  • s c

    DaveH, you’ve found a good way to define 99.99% of all progressive ultraliberals. That is, people who don’t like to read, may not be able to read, can’t find the time to read, confuse reading with being a conservative and
    wouldn’t be caught dead reading (especially if they’re elected and are taking up valuable space in Washington).
    Do you think comrade obama will take time to READ anything in Nopenhagen?

  • DaveH

    I am currently reading the book “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming” by Christopher Horner. It is riddled with statements from environmentalists. You should read this book if you want a revelation on just how wacked out these environmentalists can be:
    http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Global-Warming-ebook/dp/B000RH0C40/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260223277&sr=8-2

  • Joe H.

    RedRiverD,
    Yup just like your hero, IT WAS OUR FAULT WE GOT ATTACKED!!! GET REAL!!
    Don’t be lame!!!

  • DaveH

    Yes, James, I am real. Are you? Of course GM management deserves some of the blame, but the bullying self-interested Unions have made it very difficult for even great managers to prosper.

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5218

  • DaveH

    I buy the best cars for the lowest prices. If you want to do otherwise Norm, that is fine with me. You can waste your money all you want, just don’t waste mine.

  • Curtis S

    The Japanese committed war attrocities on the Koreans too. Why have you erroneously lumped Koreans with the Japanese? They were never allies in World War II.

  • Rita Atwell

    Remove from mailing list.

  • Jerry Semenick

    If something isn’t done soon we will all be slaves to the tyranny of obama,there is only 1 way to bring down the greatest country in the world and obama is getting closer and closer to doing just that.
    IT IS TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK

  • Eddy

    You are dead wrong ! 3 days after Obamasan is put to rest. He will not be forgotten, the party will still be going strong. He will rot in hell for what he is doing to this great country of ours. Since he’s just another foreigner he can’t appreciate it as it’s been for over two hundred years. He can bow down and kiss as much ass as he wants but he’ll never ever be a true American just another wanabe.

  • lowell

    to winnie, although I have written an earlier post at 11:47, I picked up on your post that you say ” son of YOUR god and also ” non-whitest” person” seems to me I see a person that loves hussein obama and is black…..does race always have to be included in your bigoted remarks. Shame on you, America is yrying to get by that type of rhetoric

  • http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/ Publius Huldah

    Hi, Average,
    Sorry about the confusion. I posted above the link to Judge David O. Carter’s October 29, 2009 Order dismissing the case against Obama, et al in California.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Show me an honest attorney and Ill show you an honest politician. As of 2009, it hasnt been seen yet.

  • http://n/a Winnie

    lowell look back to my reply to sc right after my comment for my reply to your reply. You can walk in my mukluks any time and then tell me what racism means to people who are not of the white descent.

  • gofer

    There has never been a President that we know so little about. He has spent thousands to block release of ALL his High School and college records. Any sane and unbiased person has to wonder WHY? WHY would anyone spend so much money to prevent information from being released that would clear up suspicions in people’s minds?? It’s like someone accused of a crime preventing information that would CLEAR them from being released. It’s OBVIOUS that there’s something that he doesn’t want people to know!

  • Norm

    DaveH
    Fine Dave, but don’t cry and point fingers when the unemployment rate is double digit. Try thinking “team America” for once in your life. Personally, I’m “set” for the rest of my life. But I actually care about other Americans. Strange concept I know.

  • DaveH

    Oh yeah, you’re so compassionate. That’s why you want to steal other peoples’ money (through higher taxes and more government spending), diminish their savings (through inflation caused by too much money creation), force them to buy products they don’t want (health care insurance), and the many other things that the party of force (the Democratic Party) rams down our throats.
    Don’t flatter yourself. You don’t deserve it.

  • eyeswideopen

    Norm, have you forgotten that DaveH, believes that the big corporations should function without any restrictions? That is why he is anti-union. He wants the big corporations who get government subsidies to keep the strangle hold on the middle class. He doesn’t see anything wrong with the major corporations getting 92 billion in subsidies in 2006. He believes in socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.

  • denniso

    Corporations don’t like unions..DaveH doesn’t like unions. DaveH wants giant corporations to have all the power. He’s opposed to real working people.

  • DaveH

    Eyeswide,
    As usual you are lying. I have not said that and you know it.

    Denniso,
    I’m opposed to people who want to force their way on others. I see you have learned Eyes tactic of putting words in my mouth.

    Is that the best you Liberals can do?

  • Norm

    Beberoni
    Sounds like your bowing to the Japanese as well as Obama.

  • Claire

    My husband and I busted our butts to always buy American cars. We NEVER bought a foreign car. We supported American car companies our entire married life. Then, all of a sudden there was the gas shortage? The foreign car companies moved in and almost everybody bought one. Everyone went crazy for the Toyota. America imported millions of foreign cars and exported very few. Now what the heck was fair about that? Now, our American cars have foreign parts and that gripes the heck out of me. But what can you do? We will still purchase a car with an American name and try never to think about the foreign parts. Through all this mess, we simply made China and Japan richer.

  • Claire

    Now you are talking sense. It was greed that killed our auto industry. Right along with the unions. Everybody got greedy. They wanted more, more, more. We shot ourselves in the foot over it all.

  • James Kenderdine

    Actually, we helped to rebuild their country so we could fight the Korean War. Japan became our forward logistical base, rebuilding combat damaged trucks, tanks, planes, weapons, tents, kitchens – you name it, they rebuilt it. The brass (from artillery shells) and the stuff beyond repair were their raw materials (the Koreans collected the brass from small arms for the same purpose-that’s how both countries were able to produce so much brassware for export.

    To meet DOD quality targets, the Japanese started learning statistical quality control – importing US brainpower to teach them – and US business practices. They fell in love with SQC and pushed it way beyond were we took in during WWII. They modified the second to fit their culture and resources, which lead them to develop the theory of “lean production”, the successor to “mass production”.

    The Japanese people today are not the same people who started WWII in the Pacific half a century ago. The Japan we see today is not the same Japan that committed the acts that have been described in this discussion. After half a century we ought to be able to forgive their behavior before and during WWII. I say “forgive” NOT “forget”. We should never forget history-or try to sanitize it. When we do that, we set ourselves up to make the same mistakes again.

    Never forget that WE imprisoned our own citizens in concentration camps during WWII because of their ethnic origin, that we used “weapons of mass destruction” (fire bombing cities in Europe and Japan, and atomic weapons against the Japanese). Our leaders made those decisions during the war because they believed they were choosing the path that would end the war with the least cost of human life (not just ours, but also of our enemies). War is hell, but remember that Jesus had to go through hell to get to Heaven.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I see them as the wankers.

  • Valverde

    You forgot the wussies.

  • Norm

    Shocked and Puzzled Lady:
    Opinion is not fact. Try dealing in the real world.

  • Joe H.

    Norm,
    Your words are no more fact than hers. The first three can’t even be argued!!!

  • coal miner

    Shocked,

    I think you are indeed puzzled,I think you meant George Bush Senior or That dipstick son George Junior.Only we had to paid for that entertainment.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Shocking you say that Norm. You only deal in opinions, as we all have yet to see you put down something factual in all your posts. Just left wing liberal propaganda diatribe.

  • Norm

    Respect for Bush/Cheney? Surely you jest.

  • Norm

    Beberoni
    What part of the military did you serve In?

  • Rod James

    Beberoni, I think you should have said Thank Satan for a man like George Bush!

  • Claire

    Beberoni–have you heard anything about Bush/Cheney knowing about 9/11 before it happened? Have you read that they were warned beforehand?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    He might read it if it is put in his telestrator, but I doubt if he would understand any of it. When he reads his telestrator, he is doing just that, reading. There is no heart in it, its all just like a play to him and his democrat lefties. They have no heart, just the quest for control and power, and it shows oh so bad.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    To a true Christian it doesnt mean a thing. People of God dont see in colors, as they dont exist. Its what is inside that counts. All that is outside and seen is perishing and will cease to exist, but what is inside and not seen, that is eternal.

  • Valverde

    Oh, get over it.

  • http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/ Publius Huldah

    Folks! Look at some of the comments above. Has anybody noticed how some of you take advantage of the anonymity of the internet to be rude and insulting?

    Ought not we be polite and courteous to all – even to strangers?

    If not,why not?

    Some of you have engaged in conduct on this page which is far worse than my inadvertently posting a wrong link!

    Part of our problem in this country is the collapse of good manners.

  • Rod James

    As Robert said any US government Republican or Democrat is only out to take care of the Global elite and does’t give a damn about US citizens.Any signs of caring about what the people think is only for SHOW which is THE GAME OF POLITICS!
    Wiseup America! The country has been Hijacked by WORLD CLASS TERRORISTS who are out to milk every last cent from the people and the country.

  • denniso

    Talk about cynical!! There always has been plenty wrong w/ any gov’t…it’s formed by humans after all,why would it be perfect? you guys think that the new president is out to get you, when the exact opposite is true. He and us are trying to clean up the disaster that Bush/Cheny left behind..he’s trying to get the economy moving again and help even you shouters. Have any of you noticed that your IRA’s and pensions are healthier and larger now after the market has recovered 60% from it’s low 8 months ago? You should be thanking Obama for doing something about the economy,rather than sitting back and enjoying the perks of his job,like most repubs have advocated..’let the market correct itself’, they whine.

  • Claire

    I believe the corruption has been going on for many years. It didn’t “just” happen.

  • Claire

    AZ Rifleman—and this has been going on for years!

  • DaveH

    Denniso,
    As usual you have no clue. The financial markets are up in nominal value because the dollar is worth less. And as you Liberals are always fond of saying when Obama is accused of causing the high unemployment rate (10%), he’s been in office for less than a year. The jury is still out and will be for some time.

  • Average Joe

    Publius Huldah ,
    Thank you for responding. Although I did a little research on the California case, which as you pointed out has been dismissed (yes I still believe the courts are corrupt as well, since there hasn’t been a Constitutional court system since 1938…U.C.C. now rules the courts [my favorites being UCC 1-103 and UCC 1-207 which I use to my advantage on a regular basis]). I would like to point out that the link you posted was actually concerning the Donofrio case in N.J. which was why I questioned your post.

  • http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/ Publius Huldah

    Yes, I know, Average Joe. I receive an enormous amount of email about this case or that case, and yesterday I got one which said Justice Scalia promised that the Supreme Court would hear the birth certificate case coming out of New Jersey. So,I sent that person the link to the U.S. Supreme Court docket showing that the Supreme court denied Cert. (“review”) a year ago.

    So when I answered “Jack’s” note above, I clicked on the wrong link. But now you have the correct link to Judge Carter’s October 29, 2009 Order dismissing the California birth certificate case against obama.

    On another topic, and only because you brought it up: forget the UCC – you are barking up the wrong tree altogether. PH

  • http://n/a Winnie

    Take a good look at your “true” christian leaders, bush and cheney then tell me that they are christians. They killed millions in the name of nine eleven. Your forefathers were “true” christians and they tried to kill the Native Americans for living on “their” America that Colombus “discovered”.

  • Joe H.

    Claire,
    Can you name the car with the most American made parts on it as of two years ago? Try Honda!!!!!! FACT!

  • denniso

    DaveH…where are the ‘facts’ from the ranters above??If you weren’t so biased you might be ashamed of the company you’re keeping.

  • Claire

    DaveH–why do you call everyone a liberal if they don’t agree with you? Just because there is a difference in opinion does not necessarily mean they are Liberal. I disagree with some of the posts, but I don’t call them Republicans or Liberals. People disagree with me, but that’s o.k. We all have the right to voice our opinions.

  • Joe H.

    Berberoni,
    They’re both extinct animals!!!!

  • Joe H.

    DaveH,
    I guess he forgets all the protests earlier this year by military people about O-man not being eligible or the fact that he was shredding the Declaration of Independence!!!

  • Joe H.

    Pat,
    careful there dude you don’t want to invite trouble!!!

  • Claire

    Pat R—Joe H is right, be careful what you say. Otherwise you may be held accountable.

  • Joe H.

    Berberoni,
    See my post to Pat above!!!

  • eyeswideopen

    Berb, come on, the Republicans were all for staying in Afghanistan, what, now you decided you don’t want to stay? Every Repub Senator was giving Obama, crap, because he wouldn’t decide to send more troops after McChrystal asked, and now that he has agreed to send 30k, you are unhappy? Darling, Bush, made this a Viet Nam, war by starting with Iraq, you remember that war don’t you? The one we are fighting for no reason…….

  • Joe H.

    Norm,
    I could ask you the same question!!!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The one that has never lost a battle, the U.S. Navy from 1977 to 1981, achieving the rank of E-5 over 4 years. How about you, Pal? And girlscouts dont count.

  • Joe H.

    Rita,
    If you don’t want to know you don’t care!!!

  • Joe H.

    Winnie,
    Yeah and there has been more good done by Christians than any other religion in history!!! I am sorry if you think we are all guilty of your racist attitude but before you think that, I am part native American!!!

  • http://n/a Winnie

    To Joe H. I am fullblooded Yupik, a Christ admirer. The best way of life used to be the Spiritual way of the indiginous peoples of the world.

  • DaveH

    Winnie,
    Do you honestly think that was a one-way street? The American Natives never attacked the whites?
    You are obviously very bigotted. Yet you expect others to treat you fairly? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

  • Norm

    Winnie
    Many narrow minded extremists who are motivated by unproven dogma are evil whether they are Muslims, Christians ,or any other religion.
    Incidenally there also are good Christians and good Muslims and good nonbelievers.

  • http://n/a Winnie

    Dave H. The Native Americans never attacked the whites. They helped them to suvive the first few years on the Turtle Island. Then the whites got greedy and started killing for the land. When the Natives couldn’t be eliminated, the “Great White Father” made treaties which they are destroying to this date. The great white father never kept his word.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    So you think we should do as Clinton did, and just keep letting these guys blow up stuff right and left and do nothing? Do you really feel that way? Do you think Truman was a war monger for dropping the big ones on Japan, when in reality he saved millions of lives? Is this how you really feel? Are you going to call Jesus a murderer, when he sends the angles opening up their vases and pouring them out upon the earth, causing millions to perish. Will He be a murderer in your eyes then? You just dont get it Winnie. You cant curl up in the fetal position and hope it goes away. Sometimes one has to stand up and be a man and fight for what is right, and I believe that God fully supports that. He does not want us to be doormats for people to walk on, and you need to understand that. Sometimes, bad men have to die.

  • Curtis S

    The leading cause of death in the history of the world? Religion. The religion causing the most deaths? Christianity. Refer to the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Spanish and the Incas and Aztecs, Northern Ireland and so on and so on. Nice work.

  • denniso

    Bush/Cheny are phoney Christians,like many in this country. If they were actual Christians they could not have willingly and so casually killed 100,000 or more Iraqi civilians..women and children included. Real Christians don’t kill for political or monetary gain..real Christians give away what they don’t need to the poor..real Christians follow Jesus and turn the other cheek. Bush/Cheny and the rest are cowardly hypocrites and nothing more.

  • denniso

    DaveH..the unions are not perfect,but they fought to provide decent,well paying jobs so that the millions of workers could actually buy things like cars and contribute to the economy. You would prefer slave wages,because that is what your supposed ‘free market’ had given us 100 yrs ago.

  • DaveH

    Denniso,
    You are right about the fighting part. Unions typically achieve their goals with force and intimidation. They do their best to bully others who would be more than happy to work for the wages the Union workers turn their noses up at. Like those people don’t deserve to make a living?
    And with an Economics degree (sure) you should know that if Union workers get higher wages they must by necessity be paid by the consumers who buy their products. The Union workers gain, the rest of us lose. And worst of all, they are driving the very companies that provide them their jobs into the ground.

  • denniso

    With the rise of unions after the war we developed the largest and wealthiest middle class in history…how did that happen if unions bring the country down as you wrongly alledge?? We have the lowest union membership in decades and our middle class is hurting. What gives,DaveH??

  • DaveH

    What gives is that anybody can, as you do, use unsupported statements in an attempt to make a point.

  • denniso

    DaveH…You disagree w/ my comment about the rise of unions coinciding w/ the historic rise of our middle class??Open a history book. Until unions gave a modicum of power to workers,the corporations had absolutely all the power and control over workers..read!!

  • Joe H.

    Gofer,
    Try millions to block them!!!

  • Claire

    Gofer—where did you get this information?

  • Claire

    JoeH–Great. As of two years ago? I should have made myself more clear-I am speaking on the late ’50s, ’60s,’70s—before we began importing so many foreign cars. My beef is that we did not export as many American cars. Yeah, I know, gas. I will keep my ’69 Camaro Rally Sport with the hideaway headlights, my ’94 Chevy Van that rides like a caddy, my ’92 Buick Roadmaster with very low mileage (a behemoth but nice, I bought it from my sister when she had her stroke and could not drive anymore) and our ’98 Jeep. Sure, they are older cars, but they are good vehicles, back when they made them good.

  • DaveH

    Claire,
    If not for the imports, we would have to take mortgages out to buy our cars. It is just a fact of life that when you protect people from failure they work less and produce less, and companies are people. We are doing our domestic companies no favors by protecting them, just as we do our children no favors by spoiling them.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    This is true Joe. There are more foreign parts on so called American made cars than on Honda’s and most Toyota’s. In fact, not only that, but the American made cars have those wonderful parts that say “made in Taiwan” on them, and we all know how good they are.

  • jim

    Coal Miner, The last time a republican embarased us was decades ago. the last time a Dem did , was like, I don’t know, months ago?

  • Claire

    coal miner–I remember that! I laughed and laughed. He vomited all over the guy! It was funnier than heck! Keep voicing your opinions-that is what this site is all about. You have your freedom of speech just like the rest of us.

  • jim

    The difference between the Barfing Bush and the Bow bama is one was unintentional, the other was as planned.

  • Claire

    This was for Beberoni.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    You are correct Claire. The corporates got greedy, and sucked money out of the company via those million dollar bonuses. The union got greedy and held the companies hostage by shutting them down with a strike, and the company gave them those rediculous retirement benefits, and mortgaged their future, and now they are paying for it. However, I do feel that these retired union guys should get what the company agreed to give them, and I find it repulsive that they are allowed to cut these retiree’s benefits, and give more to the current worker, when the current wages should be slashed, and those retired guys should be allowed to collect on what was bargained in good faith. Both the companies and unions involved here are rotten to the core, but the company should not be allowed to alter the retirement plans of what has passed, only those to come in the future. Its not right.

  • denniso

    Joe H…so, you’re worried about your people going over the edge too?
    Crackpots!

  • DaveH

    No, Joe was just worried that she would have to endure a personal attack by the board Harpy.
    I like it myself, as you are waking people up to the character of Liberals by example.

  • eyeswideopen

    DaveH, as a Libertarian who is looking forward to a country with anarchy, it isn’t a stretch that you would be liking the sounds of violence against the President of the United States of America. Freely elected with a historic majority. Those like me, who are unhappy with their party, watch what people from the Libertarian party state, and when they condone violence, it means that your party is not what you profess, it is a scam just like the other two.

  • DaveH

    You’re one sick puppy, Eyes. As usual trying to put words in my mouth. Keep it up and you will have no credibility with anybody who actually reads my comments. You already have no credibility with me.

  • denniso

    Rod…you’er right..Bush thinks he talks to God and God tells him who to invade..more likely he talks to the devil(if he were real),based on what his 8 yrs looked like. The worst president ever in our history..mass murderer and a fool to boot.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Obviously, you and denniso are satanic brothers, because you wouldnt recognize the hand of God if you seen in right in front of your face, and you obviously dont appreciate the fact that someone sacrificed their popularity to do what was right for this country. And you probably dont see that the democrats are doing everything in their power to sabotage all the gains in both Iraq and Afghanistan, because they do not want it to turn out well, so that they can continue to point the finger at Bush. If they would have stayed the course, he would be recognized as a great liberator, and they couldnt have that now, could they. Of course not. You two losers belong together.

  • Claire

    Joe H—this is exactly the hateful stuff that bothers me. All this hate and there are so many dysfunctional people out there. The dysfunctinal people are as bad as the terrorists. Think about it.

  • DaveH

    Claire,
    Tyrannical leaders like people like you. Beberoni was just stating probable reality. He’s right, our good soldiers are being put in grave danger. Only the leaders’ lives count? Remember, they are supposed to represent us, not themselves.

  • Claire

    Dave H–What do you mean “people like me?” I do not condone tyranny of any kind from anyone. And I certainly And yes, our soldiers come first. You know I believe that, and we should bring them home.

  • denniso

    daveH..simply put, you’re WRONG once more on global warming!! READ the actual science and turn off Limbaugh and Beck. You’re deluded by your allegiance to those blowhards and other fools, and of course, the energy corporations.

  • denniso

    James..good comment, now watch the hooligans attack you for your rational tone.
    Winnie below…Your right, most of these people profess their love of jesus and then spout hate and fear.

  • DaveH

    They aren’t attacking other commentors personally, like you do. Sure I’m biased for my own beliefs, as are you. The difference is that I’m not attacking commentors other than those like you who draw first blood.

  • denniso

    Wrong DaveH..I actually will listen to people who disagree w/ me…if they are civil toward me or others,including the president.If,like most of the shouters here,they call respected people vile names and toss out violent rants,then they don’t deserve a civil response. Simple enough??

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Your holding on to the crack pipe far to long, give it back to Norm.

  • denniso

    JoeH..just more lies. NOT TRUE claire.

  • Claire

    Norm–good point we taught them so well that they outdid us.

  • Claire

    Part of the problem in this country is the hate.

  • Claire

    Gofer–I want to know where you got this information. I live in Illinois and I know what is going on in the political world here and I have never heard this. What source did you find this from?

  • DaveH
  • Claire

    Limbaugh? Beck? Hannity?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Illinois? They havent know the truth about politics and things there since Al Capone and the mob bought Mayor Daly, and they still own every Illinois politician to this day.

  • eyeswideopen

    Claire, he won’t answer as he has no facts. LOL.

  • DaveH

    Claire,
    MITI (Japanese government agency) about 5 decades ago told one of their car companies that Americans would have no interest in Japanese cars and they should abandon the export idea. MITI also attempted to prevent a small firm from acquiring manufacturing rights from Western Electric to produce semiconductors. The firm persisted and was eventually allowed to acquire the technology. The name of that firm – Sony.
    Big Government at work.
    http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Japan.html

  • Claire

    Funny. As an owner of multiple dogs this is a good one.

  • DaveH

    Denniso,
    I don’t expect to wake you up. My comments are for the people whose ears aren’t bookends to a vacuum.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Its a lie denniso, the planet has cooled since the seventies. Check it out, and discover the truth, or buy into it and write Al Gore a check. Thats what he wants, thats all he is in it for. A little bit of cash.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Pal, seriously, look into what the geological scientist say about this. Almost all agree that its a lie by Al Gore and the environmentalists to further their liberal agenda to make money for themselves and their organizations. Now Al Gore will bring in scientists who grow cultures in petrie dishes, but they dont know squat about this, as do the geological scientists that study this stuff. They seem to almost all say, that the planet has cooled since the 70′s, and that the polar ice caps are growing bigger each year. Check it out, if your at all interested in the truth. Or, just send Al Gore a check in the mail, as thats all he is in it for, is to get rich. Bank on it.

  • DaveH

    I’m sure tired of that manipulative label. So it’s alright if somebody does you harm while saying “I love you” with a smile on their face?

  • Claire

    No, it is not alright. However, what you say may happen in everyday life.

  • Norm

    Back to where – the stone age?

  • James

    President Obama’s bows are symbolic. He is lowering the United States to just another nation of the world. He isn’t unique in that respect, that’s been going on for decades, he is just announcing it. Our entangling free-trade agreements have made us dependent on foreign countries for things we need to survive. Our national borders are now non-existent. Our military forces are being used to remove heads of nations that the United Nations doesn’t approve of, whether such nation is a threat to the U.S. or not. The Korean War was fought, with no act of Congress whatever, President Truman just did it.
    The United States is being dissolved into a one-world system, this has been going on before most of us were born. Now that it is more obvious, we are seeing American’s reaction to it.

  • coal miner

    Norm,

    Hang in there.They talk about Union workers not producing as well as Scab workers.I know better.We out produce every scab mines around.We had a better safety record too.There were three companies that out produce ours and had better safety records,they were also union. I wouln’t dream of working in a non union mines,they are dangerous and a health hazard.Most of them violate every rule in the book,a frightful example of that occurred in Perry county, Kentucky.Twenty seven miners paid with their lives as result of a explosion,They didn’t have it rock dusted down.This happen when I was young.A unonised mines would have most likely prevented this neeedless tragedy.They would make the company go by the rules or risk shut down.

  • denniso

    DaveH..so, that’s your problem! You actually give credibility to a site like that,put up by an Obama hater. You’ve got to be kidding!!How can you verify anything on there unless you look at other journalistic and credible sources?? You can’t!! Don’t bother w/ the site people.it’s totally bogus!

  • denniso

    Claire…as you’ve said, it’s all about hate. Look at this and other pages on this site. The vast majority of comments are utterly hate filled toward Obama,Pelosi,Reid,Biden.Boxer..words like traitor,treasonous,communist,Muslim,antichrist,hanging.References to guns and armed revolution,taking back the country by force if necessary, and on and on. Some comments bad enough that you can imagine that someone is taking names. Calling individuals names here is one thing..inciting violence against our president is quite another. Do we forget our modern history of violence toward political leaders, or do some of these people here want that to happen again? Judging by their comments and vicious hatred of Obama, I think that may be the case.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Biden? Those people are hate. They are so filled with hate and lies, they reek of it when they open their mouths. All they do is benefit themselves, not America or the people they are supposed to represent. They are all filled with hate.

  • DaveH

    Don’t leave out Denniso, Beberoni. His comments are mostly venomous personal attacks. From my own experiences with Democrats, I think he is fairly representative.

  • eyeswideopen

    Daveh, your personal reactions have to do with having a Dem wife, who had an affair and took you to the cleaners for child support etc. You cannot be considered non-biased towards Democrats. Be honest, that has colored your whole perception of a political party. Not everyone acts like your ex-wife.

  • DaveH

    EyesWideShut,
    Who said I wasn’t biased against the Democratic Party? And I will be until they quit being the party of thieves and bullies.
    By the way, I have a higher opinion of my ex-wife than I have of you.

  • denniso

    Boy,oh boy..another ditto head. Turn off Limbaugh dude!!!

  • http://aol Don

    If this one world government was runned like the “United” States, would you still be against it? I know some people in Texas and Alaska wants to break off with America as well as others, but if you do like the concept of “United” States, would you be against a world government like our country? Probably, you like the concept of being on “top?”

  • libertytrain

    Denniso – why are you here if you need to call people names – hardly an eloquent argument for your point of view -

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Why, does his speaking the truth scare you?

  • James

    Denniso, I don’t listen to or follow Limbaugh, so I don’t know what you are referring to. The trend towards world-government and the dissolution of individual nations, as we know them, has been going on since the creation of United Nations. The evidence of that is the European Union with its ECU, the proposed North American Union, by President Bush in his meeting with Canada’s and Mexico’s heads of state, with the Amero as its currency. In my opinion, this rampant deficit spending of the U.S. Dollar is intended to bring about its destriction to facilitate the North American Union agreement.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    What a fine and intellectual statement you made.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Then you are a closed minded dummy that has no interest in the truth. I worked in union shops, for two different unions for 13 years, and it sucked. I watched guys cost the companies I worked for thousands upon thousands of dollars, because “its not my job” mentality. I watched the fat lazy guy with 20 years in stand around and collect the same pay, but not have to work, because “Ive paid my dues, its your turn”. Excuse me? You think because you work somewhere 20 years youve got the right to show up, not work, and collect a paycheck. Id fire a guy like that on the spot, but wait, the union protects the lazy worker that doesnt want to work, just get paid. Ive seen it over and over, so dont try to refute it. Its a union mentality fact. Been there, done that, lived it and breathed it, and it sucked. I was told on more that one occasion, not to be so productive, because it made the other guys look bad. Again, excuse me? What kind of baloney is that. Then, I was kept from advancing, because it didnt matter if you were smarter, more capable, more responsible and more willing to work hard. Nope. All that mattered was how many years you had it. That is so wrong. Ive been out of the unions for 14 years now, and Ive more than doubled my pay, not because everyone got paid and I got it too, but because I worked hard and applied myself, and my employer recognized it and I advanced, from being the truck driver to the head of purchasing, with a few steps in between. This is the American way, advance people because they succeed and work hard, but you union and democrats want to punish people like me, and reward those who dont want to work, ie all the democratic handouts to those who are too lazy to go look for a job, and the gimme jobs to the fat lazy ass in the union with 20 years in that just shows up and gets a check and doesnt do much work anymore. This is so wrong, and when guys cost a company thousands of dollars, and the company cant get rid of them because of a union, something is very wrong. I know I wouldnt tolerate this if I owned a company, would you? Id close the doors first, you can bet on that. You can hide behind your union security, and I admit it is a good gig for the lifer union guy, I mean getting paid while others work harder, yeah, youve got it made. But its bad for the company and its bad for the country. Unions used to be for the good, but since the infiltration and taking over by the mob, they are no good for nothing. By the way, our non-union company, pays our guys more than the union electricians make around here. And they dont get laid off like the union electricians. And the boss actually knows their name, their wife and kids name, and cares about them. And they get paid holidays and vacations, which the union guys dont. And they are driving around in brand new 26 thousand dollar vans with company gas cards, not spending their own time and gas to get to job sites. You keep your union, Ill take the reward system for working hard anyday.

  • coal miner

    Beb,

    You don’t get it.Only a fool would Work in a non union mines.Tell it to those 27 miners who lost their lives This company was told a week before the accident they were in 38 violations,they bought the inspector off.That was a scab mines not a union mimes.These scab mines used to have the reputation as the most dangerous occupations.Union Mines are not only better place to work, but have a safety record next to none.The most dangerous occupation now are taxi cab driving,Seven-eleven jobs and policemen.I have no used or respect for a scab who walks accross a picket line.I am like Jack London the writer,he said the lowest thing on earth is a scab. WE UNION PEOPLE MADE FACTORIES AND COAL MINES A BETTER PLACE TO WORK IN!A HELL LOT SAFER.

  • DaveH

    Beberoni,
    Right on! That was a fantastic piece of work. That has also been my experience with Unions. I got away from them early in life, and stayed away. I was warned by a Union decades ago about how the company might want us to go up on dangerous scaffolding. Their fear bewildered me, because I would just say no if I thought it was life-threatening. If I lost that job, so be it. I don’t need a Union to protect me. My experience with Unions is that they are the ones (with their bullying ways) who I need to be protected from.

  • DaveH

    By the way Miner,
    You have proved my point about Union bullies with your “scab mines” comment. That says it all. If somebody doesn’t belong to your group of thugs then they are the enemy.

  • eyeswideopen

    Berberoni, and you stayed in that job for 13 years, why? Where was your integrity then? So, it was ok for you to use that company for your own benefit is that right? But anyone else who needs to do the same thing is wrong? A little hypocritical don’t you think?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    To you I admit I know nothing of the coal mining labor, either union or non union, but Ive seen enough of them on TV that you wont get me to work in one. Id flip burgers for 3 shifts before Id willingly die of black lung. But the unions in automotive or manufacturing, they are the real scabs. They cause constant hurt to the companies they work for, and the would never heals, just a constant scab, because they continually cause pain.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Either that, or in hiding, because it seems they are pretty darn exclusive and hard to find.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And these men and women in the military, let there be no doubt to any of you, that these sons and daughters are the cream of the crop, the best of our youth. They deserve to be allowed on the battle field to do what it takes to survive and to win, not to worry about coming home to face a trial because they shot an enemy combatant, that now the democrats what to give a lawyer, pay for it, and prosecute this soldier for doing his job.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I have heard that many things were sent to the Clinton cabinet about it, but that they never forwarded this intelligence to the Bush admin until after the fact. And I do know that we had all kinds of faulty intelligence, no doubt do to the fact that, if you didnt know, the intelligence community was cut in half during the 8 years of the Clinton admin, and was left in pieces when Bush came into office. So I can see why the intelligence coming in wasnt all that good back then. So go ahead, and blame Bush again. Oh yeah, and throw in Cheney too, because God knows, if you hate one you hate them both. Get over it Claire, they are gone. You cannot blame the current mistakes being made on them. Our leadership today is totally unqualified and it is showing. They make mistakes at every turn, and now have even gone as far as to inform the enemy when we are leaving. Nice professional military move. Unbelievable.

  • eyeswideopen

    Berb, you are something else. Who do you think issued the departure date for Iraq? Yup, your good o’ boy, Bush. You are living in a fantasy world, get in touch with Bush, as he needs people like you to help him try and re-write history.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    One again eyes, you are lying. The democratic congress wanted to issue a date to pull out, and annouce it to our enemy, but the Bush admin refused to do it. You are in error, and your hatred consumes you.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Back to where we were respected and not laughed at like today.

  • denniso

    Norm..that’s right, if they got their way we would live like people did 100 or more yrs ago. No rights for anyone but white males,women controlled by their husbands,lynchings w/ no trial,child labor,no workers rights,etc…I am still amazed that these people don’t understand what they’re really fighting for..everything that is actually against their own self interest and for the benefit of giant corp’s.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Nope. Checked it out. Its all true.

  • http://www.TheObamaFile.com Beckwith

    You wrote, “So, that’s your problem! You actually give credibility to a site like that,put up by an Obama hater.”

    Typical leftist ad hominem attack. When you can’t attack the facts, attack the messenger.

    I’m Beckwith. I operate The Obama File and I am not an Obama hater — or any other kind of hater. As my “About” page states: “My agenda is simple and clear. I am opposed to a socialist sitting in the Oval Office — especially one that employs teams of lawyers and the legal system to hide his questionable background from the American People.” — I wrote that in Spring 2007.

    I know you have never even visited my website. If you did, you couldn’t have possibly written this nonsense: “How can you verify anything on there unless you look at other journalistic and credible sources?? You can’t!! Don’t bother w/ the site people. it’s totally bogus!”

    Also from my “About” page: “The overwhelming number of items in this archive are from mainstream media sources and what I believe are reliable, if sometimes partisan, blogs. I make every attempt to provide attribution and/or links to the original source. Many of the items in this archive have multiple sources/links. If the reader finds content that is incorrect, I will correct or delete it upon the submission of two links to reliable sources with more accurate information. I want the stuff in here to be as correct as possible.”

    But as far as credibility, there is this simple fact: “The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials.”

    Even you must admit that the The United States Library of Congress is a credible source.

    The selection document is available by link from my “Home” page and “Latest Obamanations” page.

    In other words, Denise, like most of you blind, emotional Obots, you simply don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

    My archive and I have more credibility than the ineligible usurper, that you so blindly follow — and I definitely have more credibility than you, a low-life libelant.

    So folks, I invite you to visit The Obama File, and decide for yourselves.

  • DaveH

    So what’s your angle Denniso? I give Coal Miner credit for coming clean and admitting that he is a Union member. How about you? SEIU? ACORN? What is your position at the trough? You fight so hard to promote the Democrat agenda of theft and control. What is your reward?
    Of course I don’t expect you to tell the truth, these are just rhetorical questions.

  • denniso

    Beb..the site is packed w/ made up crap on Obama. It’s a joke..you could fake one too.

    DaveH…you have an angle,you’re trying to recruit people to your ‘party’, I don’t. I actually care about the country and the well being of other people,especially the less fortunate,of which there are tens of millions in this richest coutry on the face of the earth. I also care about the entire earth;humans,plants and animals,rivers and mountains,because though the health of the earth is of value in it’s own right,it is also crucial for the well being of all human life here. I care about all the litle kids who will have to make their way in a too violent and polluted world…I even care about your grandkids for their innocence.

  • denniso

    Beckwith…I just saw your comment. Lets debate the issues! First,though, you said you’re not an Obama hater, then you launch into a tirade that sounds like hate to me. You say you’re opposed to a ‘socialist’ being in the presidential seat? Obama is NOT a socialist…that’s your first lie, and some people actually believe you. Obama is a liberal Democrat and capitalist..he was paid some millions for his 2 books..he took it, didn’t he. If you call someone a socialist,especially the president, you better back up the absurd comment w/ a list of things that make him a socialist though his political career..not such nonsense that most of these followers here recite repetitively…’owning the car companies’,’bailing out the economy’,’socialized healthcare’. We are in the middle of the largest recession since ’29. Extreme measures were needed to prevent a depression that would make ’29 look like a picnic. Do you call Bush/Cheny socialists for starting the bailouts and trying to help the car companies? If Obama were a socialist,so what? didn’t 53% elect him? Don’t we have freedom of speech? There’s nothing that says we cant have a socialist or communist or Amish or whatever as president. You’re pushing fear!
    I briefly did look at your site..it was obvious to me what it is,a biased and not totally truthful rant against Obama designed to stir up volatile and emotional people. I’ll do you a favor and look again for the curiosty of it. I’ll check back here manana.

  • denniso

    I guess Beckwith is gone…maybe he’s too busy correcting all his misinformation on his ‘truthful’ site.

  • DaveH

    Similarly Beberoni, the Bond holders of GM got screwed. Good people invested their money in GM Bonds thinking it was a safe investment. It needed to be because the return on investment was pretty skimpy. Bond holders are supposed to get first claim on company assets. Instead the Unions were favored. The very last people that should be rewarded in GMs case.
    http://reason.org/blog/show/obama-to-uaw-xoxoxo

  • DaveH

    Nice comment James.

  • Claire

    Yes, Illinois. Do you think I’m happy about it? NO. I am well aware of the corruption here. I live with it every day.

  • coal miner

    Beb,

    There is no way Al Capone bought Mayor Daly off and took over Chicago.Al died in 1948 0r 1949 of syphilis of the brain. He had been in jail since 1930 and most of the 1940s.He was found guilty of tax evasion and sent to federal prison.

  • eyeswideopen

    Claire, that’s why you are enjoyable to converse with.

  • eyeswideopen

    Hey, Dave, I just found out that Charles Koch, the 9th richest man in the world, is who funds the Cato Institute that you rave about and refer everyone too. After reading about him and his brother, and how they use their money, sounds like you are supporting someone who is as bad as George Soros. Actually they have more money, so they are a bigger threat. Maybe you should check them out. Or did you already know that your beloved institute is controled by the super rich?

  • eyeswideopen

    We haven’t had the respect of the world since WW2. Get real, or better yet, go live overseas and live with the europeans, see what kind of respect you get. Do you think the phrase “Ugly American” was made up by us? LOL….lol….

  • DaveH

    The Harpy returns.

  • Curtis S

    Hey Eyes, I like the Cato Institute because that’s where one of my heroes works. I would be disappointed if PJ O’Rourke worked and wrote for a bunch of wankers.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Sorry eyes, once again you are off the mark. There is no one as bad as George Soros anywhere, and there is only one party in bed with him, the democrats.

  • Claire

    Eyes—I have never heard this here in Illinois about Obama blocking his school records. I have made a few calls tonight and no one knows anything about it. But you can bet I’ll find out for sure. I have my ways. I am not from Chicago, but I have relatives, and friends up there. I’ll find out if there is any truth to this. I have an inquiring mind!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I guess youve never heard how mobsters still ran their gangs from prison did you? It still happens today with the gangster rappers dudes, they are put away, and still run their gangs from inside. Shouldnt be able to, but they do. And Capone and his ilk, they did what they wanted and he still had power in the joint, until his brain turned to jello from syphillis. But his gang still owned the politicians, and they still do to this day. Anyone that doesnt know that, is either a liar or in denial. Right eyes?

  • Curtis S

    Hahaha. Jon Stewart absolutely skewered that report tonight! Thanks for reminding me.
    Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Americans say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming. Thirty-five percent (35%) say it’s Very Likely. Just 26% say it’s not very or not at all likely that some scientists falsified data.

    59% + 35% + 26% = 120%!!!!

    If you’re quoting polls that add-up to 120% you’re in trouble!!! lol

  • denniso

    Liberty…are you saying that dittohead is a bad name? The limbaugh lovers call themselves exactly that. I use it when it’s so obvious that the person,like many here,is just regurgitating what they hear their hero spout. Hate,fear,lies.

  • libertytrain

    Even your question is like a little kid suggesting to his parents that to call someone a specific name is kind of ok. I’m suggesting that you are equal in your assorted name-calling throughout these several weeks or months – and don’t see you or eyes, for that matter, as “mature” in presenting your opinions. You two, in particular, resort to insults and a mannerism that smacks of just plain “snotty” – which is entirely self-defeating and very childish. You both say things like “they started it” – So that’s grownup? … A mature way to state your case? I don’t think more of your opinions, as a result, I think far less -

  • denniso

    Liberty…I’m not overly concerned about you caring for my comments,it’s up to you..as for your ‘snotty’ comment…Some of these people talking about ‘armed revolution’ and ‘taking back our country’ and calling your president vicious names and making threats, are so childish and offensive that it’s like talking to bad children..how can one not sound a bit condescending or ‘snotty’ when confronted w/ such stupidity and wackiness?? would you prefer I talk like the gun nuts and wannabe revolutionaries using threats,violent terms,etc?? I think you are maligning Eyes wrongly..she is almost always civil and courteous and only uses a few pretty tame words when she is attacked by your buddies. Look at their posts!

  • denniso

    James..if you don’t listen to Limbaugh you’re in a minority among most here. I listen a little so I can detect his talking points among his followers and it’s very easy to see. You hear what he says through other people who do listen,and he then affects what even non listeners think and say..the odds are you talk to friends or others who listen to his malicious nonsense…think about it.

  • James

    Denniso, My religious and political persuasion developed from over 50 years of research. I was a religious patriotic rightwing extremist before Rush Limbaugh was born. If his and my opinions coincide, fine.

  • James

    Denniso, I dont listen to radio commentators, no particular reason I just never got started doing it. I’ve found the best source for knowledge is books, sooner or later truth gets published. I looked up Mr. Limbaugh on Wikipedia this morning and noticed that he wasn’t treated very favorably. The article didn”t mention a single political position that he opposed or favored. That’s a sure sign he’s a patriot, they didn’t want to help his cause. So it’s quite possible that I would agree with Limbaugh on most issues, but I’ve never read or heard anyone that I agreed with completely.
    The article gave Limbaugh’s birthdate as January 12, 1951, that’s the year I celebrated my 23rd birthday in Korea. I was lambasting presidents Truman and Eisenhower before Limbaugh started kindergarten.

  • denniso

    James, thanks for your service in Korea. But, Limbaugh isn’t treated favorably on wikipedia because he’s a hatemonger and liar and manipulator, not because he’s a patriot. Look up the KKK and see if they are treated favorably,don’t think so. Are they,therefore, patriots?? Hitler? Another patriot because he’s not treated favorably?? Limbaugh is a little,rich,drug addict,hitler wannabe. I would worry if you agree w/ anything he spews.

  • James

    Denniso, You obviously don’t think much of Mr. Limbaugh, your labeling him as a “hatemonger” and a “liar” might well-be reasonable. But name-calling without knowing the subject matter leaves one guessing. What is it that he hates? What has he lied about? Knowing that, I might agree with you.

  • James

    Denniso, if you can’t inform us of something that Mr. Limbaugh has lied about, shouldn’t you question your own position? Seriously, tell us one thing he has lied about.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    They were when there was a plan in effect to actually win the clash and get the terrorists out of there. The current plan calls just to run some guys in, run them out, and cut and run, and they have even announced that to the enemy. If you cant see that, they you are curled up in the fetal position again.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Come on man, Jon Stewart? Like he is a reputable guy to follow. Really, the ha ha is on you. He is like listening to Al Franken. Oh sorry, you probably find him wise also. So to you then, I have to say…….HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Your choice of inspiration wisdom is lacking.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    It was made up by the press, when they swung to the left, and decided to massacre the American image of us to the world, and the liberal media has been damning America ever since. Now both the media and the democrats are bashing America even to our muslim enemies abroad, and this is unacceptable. You say since WW2 we have lost the worlds respect. I would agree, because you see, if politicians and the media rallied against America back then like they do now, theyd be thrown in jail for it, and rightly so. But weve become so politically correct, and prostituted the freedom of speech thing, that it is utterly rediculous, and you know it. Someone could approach me and say “All you Christians should die”, and it would be totally acceptable by the law and the police and the politicians. But you approach a gay or a muslim and say “all you gays and muslims should die”, buddy your going to jail for a hate crime, I guarantee it. So much for freedom of speech. The Bible tells of this, when it says “In the end times, right will become wrong and wrong will become right”. Really, one doesnt have to look to far to see that now, does one?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Actually, if you look at the truth of matters, white males are pretty far down on the pecking list these days. I couldnt tell you the amount of times I was prejudiced out of something in this life, just because I was a white male. So dont go there.

  • libertytrain

    Bebe – might add before we “don’t go there” being a white female – I have experienced a ride in that same boat in my early life – I suspect many of us did but it is politically incorrect to discuss that side of the coin.

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