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Rand Paul’s Inspiring Stand

March 15, 2013 by  

Rand Paul’s Inspiring Stand
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“For the first time since the election, I actually have some hope.” That’s what one long-time conservative said to me after Senator Rand Paul’s 13-hour filibuster last week.

My friend is far from the only one to feel that way. Paul’s dramatic gesture had conservatives, libertarians and even many on the left cheering his principled stand. And no wonder. Here’s how Paul opened his lengthy marathon on the Senate floor on March 6:

I rise today to begin to filibuster John Brennan’s nomination for the CIA I will speak until I can no longer speak. I will speak as long as it takes, until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important, that your rights to trial by jury are precious, that no American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court.

Who on Earth could dispute that? Well, as it turns out, Paul’s challenge to unrestrained government power makes some Republicans very uncomfortable. Two of the more outrageous attacks came from establishment Republicans John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

The day after Paul’s marathon effort, McCain pontificated, “I don’t think what happened yesterday was helpful to the American people.” Later, he inserted his foot even further into his mouth, when he told one reporter: “It’s always the wacko birds on right and left who get the media megaphone.” When asked to name names, McCain didn’t hesitate. “Rand Paul” was the first one he mentioned.

McCain’s buddy and Old Guard collaborator Graham went even further. He denounced Paul’s demand for clarification on warrantless domestic drone strikes, saying, “I do not believe that question deserves an answer.” Oh really, Senator? Sounding more like a spoiled child than a U.S. Senator, Graham added that Paul’s filibuster had convinced him to vote in favor of confirming John Brennan as CIA director.

In one of the most dramatic contrasts I’ve seen in many a month, McCain and Graham were hobnobbing with the President at a gourmet dinner while seven other Senators joined Paul on the Senate floor. Six of them were Republicans: Mike Lee of Utah, Ted Cruz of Texas, Jerry Moran of Kansas, Marco Rubio of Florida, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. One lonely Democrat, Ron Wyden of Oregon, was also there. Here’s a tip of the hat to all of them.

While that was happening on Capitol Hill, McCain and Graham were dining with Barack Obama at the Jefferson Hotel in downtown Washington. It seems the President decided to call a time-out in his constant campaigning against the Republicans and put on a show for some bipartisan support. Obama even agreed to pick up the tab.

It was no surprise that McCain and Graham were among the first to be invited. It’s always going to be “business as usual” with these guys.

And isn’t that the point? What happened a week ago Wednesday is that one outspoken and determined person showed the world that you don’t have to go along to get along, that you can receive enormous public support when you take a principled stand for freedom.

Kentucky’s senior Senator, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, hasn’t always been one of Paul’s more ardent admirers. But he was effusive in his praise of his colleague last week.

“I wanted to congratulate him for his tenacity, for his conviction, and for being able to rally the support of a great many people,” he declared. In a not-so-subtle reference to Graham, McConnell said that the support Paul received demonstrates that “this is a legitimate question.”

BuzzFeed spoke for many hopeful conservatives when it wrote: “Republicans rallied around Paul in a way that hasn’t been seen on the national stage in years and could provide a glimmer of hope for a listless party.”

From where I sit, it looks like a lot more than a “glimmer,” my friends. BuzzFeed seems to agree, because it went on to write, “‘There was a hell of a lot of team play tonight,’ a senior GOP leadership aide said Thursday morning, acknowledging that Paul’s filibuster had given the GOP a much needed jolt of energy.” Indeed, it has.

The next morning, the White House finally did what Paul had been demanding for months: It issued a statement confirming that the President does not have the power to use drones in this country to kill American citizens.

Attorney General Eric Holder issued the actual response, which White House Press Secretary Jay Carney read during his daily press briefing. “It has come to my attention,” the attorney general wrote, “that you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no.”

Doesn’t sound like much of a concession, does it? But it was enough for Paul to declare it “satisfactory.”  He said he would no longer oppose a vote on the nomination of Brennan to head the Central Intelligence Agency. Brennan was easily confirmed later that week by a vote of 63-34.

So was all of this much ado about nothing? Not at all. Paul spoke to the fears a growing number of Americans have of their own government. Near the end of his 13-hour marathon, he declared:

Certain things rise above partisanship. And I think your right to be secure in your person, the right to be secure in your liberty, the right to be tried by a jury of your peers — these are things that are so important and rise to such a level that we shouldn’t give up on them easily.

In fact, we shouldn’t give up on them at all. When Paul seized the moment, he drew a line in the sand that inspired a lot of us to stand up as well. Thank you, Senator.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Robert Smith

    If a Democrat had done it the label “stunt” would be all over it from the right.

    Once again we have an example of the extreme holding things up for their own ego.

    Rob

    • STMA

      Since when is it “extreme” to want to stick to the Constitution? If the exact same issue was fifibustered by a democrat, it wouldn’t have been called a stunt, it would have been cheered by the same people who cheered Paul (conservatives don’t stoop to the level of libs- threats, name calling, etc.). The difference is you won’t see any demos filibustering in favor of the constitution, they (and yourself, obviously) are against America and our Constitution, whether they realize it or not. You need to realize you aren’t going to get any special favors when the SHTF, you will be in the streets with everyone else wondering what the f*ck happened (that YOU helped to cause). Anyone that thinks the Constitution is “extreme right” are victims of twisting by the left. The Constitution is dead center- no laws at all is “extreme right”, controlling EVERYTHING with laws is “extreme left”. Please get a clue- if it’s not too late already. I don’t appreciate being dragged into your “utopia”- go find another country where you are appreciated, because it sure ain’t here. Now go play in your sandbox while you still can.

      • redhawk

        Well said, STMA! Right there with you! Government DOES have a place, they’re just not in it these days. Too big, too oppressive, too confusing and wayyyy too expensive.

    • redhawk

      Say what you want Mr. Smith. If a liberal would have had the courage to ask the same question he or she would have gotten the same or greater round of appreciation that Senator Paul got………. and blank stares of disblief from from his own comrades! That’s what it’s come to. Do you believe that the most basic function of government is to protect it’s own borders & citizens or have a tool to murder them?

      • David Haas

        The Ron Paul/Rand Paul voters were told to stay home and not to vote for Romney saying he was no different from Obama. Also, Rand Paul was on the liberal media television stations bashing Romney just weeks before the election. Also, conservatives like Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh were bashing and trashing the hell out of Romney as well. All of this was irresponsible, unpatriotic, and inexcusable. Thanks for another four more years of Obama.

        • tony newbill

          Romney lost because of his Historical Hypocrisy , and those you pointed out say so were just telling the truth . Its because of the suppression of the truth by all in positions of power and influence is why we have a dumbed down society that is now dependent in one form or the other on Government , and why we have debts that are the result of a Deconstructed Industrial Complex thats No just an assembler of Parts from foreign countries that hate the Western nations , and Romney was a Part of this development and why he also lost !!!!!!

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear David Haas,

          You write: “The Ron Paul/Rand Paul voters were told to stay home and not to vote for Romney saying he was no different from Obama.” Either your memory is fuzzy or you weren’t paying attention. The Ron Paul voters were told to stay home by the Republican Party establishment via their treatment of Ron Paul (stealing primary victories and denying him a speaking slot) and Ron Paul supporters (ignoring them and moving off the floor into the cheap seats). You will find that few Ron Paul supporters are supporters of Rand anymore, seeing him as a sellout to the party apparatchik. Ron Paul voters are an independent lot and can’t be “told” anything. They are not sheep who follow someone’s bidding.

          You write: “Also, Rand Paul was on the liberal media television stations bashing Romney just weeks before the election.” Rand Paul endorsed Romney and campaigned for him, drawing the ire of Ron Paul supporters. Again, you have no clue what you’re talking about.

          You write: “All of this was irresponsible, unpatriotic, and inexcusable.” Refusing to compromise on principle is not “irresponsible, unpatriotic, and inexcusable.”

          You write: “Thanks for another four more years of Obama.” Your ire should be directed at the Republican Party which produced a statist candidate who was pro-abortion, pro-war, pro-gun control, pro-big government, and a collectivist Federal Reserve stooge. No lover of liberty could support that.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

  • http://none Susan

    How about a stand against the spraying on the American people, Aluminum, Barium an Strodium, go.to Www. Why in the world and what in the world are they spraying, very hazardous to humans, animals poisions the ground. Poison in the air we breath causes Alzheimer’s st an early age respiratory infections and problems, your kids are breathing this, Obamas on record with his bioengineering zar he is in the first video on what in the world are they spraying, no one does nothings congress passed this bill and it is costume us 5 billion a year in taxpayer dollars. So we can die off quicker, Obama is a control freak and so are all who follow him

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Susan may be the lady who speaks to us in “Sprinkler Rainbow Conspiracy Youtube”. Google it for one of the most alarming clips you will ever see—-it’s only two minutes long and is a revelation. Is that you in the clip, Susan?

    • Vigilant

      Well. There are rare occasions when I must agree with RBT. That rainbow conspiracy theory is the best example of complete ignorance I’ve seen in awhile. I think the siren in the background is the funny farm vehicle on the way to this woman’s house.

      Susan (and others who subscribe to these crazy spraying theories), just once try to consider this: the pilots who are allegedly doing this would realize that their own families would be put in harm’s way. Additionally, if government is to be made a scapegoat, tell me the last time you saw a politician in a hazmat suit to avoid these supposedly harmful droplets.

  • Alex

    !PLEASE! Now—-all of you Fright Wingers push as hard as you can to see that Paul, this idiot son of a racist and foolish Texican becomes the GOP standard bearer at your 2016
    convention!

    It will be great fun to see Hillary beat the pants off of him that November…

    • Peter 10-nov-1775

      And who always goes around saying the sky is falling? Oh, right – it’s the derange-o-crats on TV, again! In the words of your goddess, pelosi, we all have to take a haircut, we have to pass the bill to see what is in the bill…
      Dumber than a box of rocks {sorry rocks}.

    • Robin from Arcadia IN

      Alex…. When the truth about Bengazie comes out, Hilary won’t have a leg to stand on! The GOP has faultered in the last few years. The pendulum is about to swing back and in full force.

      • DaveH234

        God save us from that outcome!

    • redhawk

      Alex, what’s frieghtening is that this question had to be asked al all. It’s right & peoper to ask, simple questions and straight foreward questions and expect simple, straight forward answers. That’s something this administration seems unable to do. Answers to what happened in Bengazi were NOT simple or straightforward, answers to Project Gunrunner never came at all…… Even answers to where were you born, were not simple and straight forward! Why shouldn’t folks be concerned aboout the veracity of this administration and it’s supporteds?

    • redhawk

      Heh , heh ,heh! Alex, do you mean the hero of Bengazi, the White Water beneficiary, the tireless diplomat that couldn’t bring people together to pass Nationalized healthcare in the 90′s at the height of the Klinton power years, the raving psychotic that others in the Whitehouse shrank away from when they saw her coming or the one who got passed over for even a runnung mate for presdential elections? God help us all if we ever elect such a power monger! But wait, the current insturment of destruction & division got in somehow, so I guess anything can happen if you have enough money. No birth records, never help a job, …… as I said, God help us!

  • Right Brain Thinker

    “So was all of this much ado about nothing?” It sure was, Chip—MUCH ado. Paul made some good philosophical points but the whole thing was really a “political stunt”, as some astutely called it. Paul spoke to the paranoid fears a SHRINKING number of Americans have of their own government, and, if the Republicans grasp at him as another “patch” on their sinking ship, they will take themselves farther down the road to irrelevancy and political oblivion. .

    “When Paul seized the moment, he drew a line in the sand that inspired a lot of us to stand up as well”. Sure did, but the “lot of us” need to look around and see how few in number they really are, and how foolish they are to seize on the insane idea that the President of the United States is going to use DRONES to kill Americans on American soil.

    (PS I just read on a wing-nut site that the drones are going to use nuclear-tipped missiles—-we are going to double down on what we did to Japan and do it here in America!—-to Americans!!!!—-horrors—-spread the word)

    • rendarsmith

      AGAIN, you have it wrong! A shrinking number? More like a GROWING number! More and more people are losing faith in the government. Paul is gaining more and more support. If it was much ado about nothing, why is it gaining so much attention? It must have done SOMETHING!

      That Kool-Aid is rotting your brain.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        rendarsmith and tony sameoldbull are in fine fettle today. Talk about Kool-aid—they have both OD’d this AM.

        I’m done on PLD for a while, so won’t have time to deal with them—-going to the gun store to look at some guns—-some fine 12 ga autoloaders out there—-especially the Benelli and Beretta police models—not cheap at $1200+ but feel way better than the US equivalents. The gun stores in VA all look like they’re closing up, the walls are so bare—-they have only 10% of the stock they had before the election. Go figure.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Hey all,

        I’m back from gun shopping. Managed to resist the Benelli autoloader and its $1269 price tag. Got a nice Remington Model 870 pump gun instead for only $445. 18″ barrel, 7 round magazine, black synthetic fore end and stock—-put the hunting shotgun on consignment—-nice clean Franchi 12 ga autoloader for $450—-almost enough to pay for the new gun! Life is good!

      • Vigilant

        No Brain once again prefers to push his opinions as if they are facts, with “Paul spoke to the paranoid fears a SHRINKING number of Americans have of their own government.”

        “Americans’ concerns about the threat of big government continue to dwarf those about big business and big labor, and by an even larger margin now than in March 2009. The 64% of Americans who say big government will be the biggest threat to the country is just one percentage point shy of the record high, while the 26% who say big business is down from the 32% recorded during the recession. Relatively few name big labor as the greatest threat.” (http://www.gallup.com/poll/151490/fear-big-government-near-record-level.aspx)

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vigilant is back, this time quoting a FIFTEEN MONTH OLD poll as if it had any significance today. How much time did you spend cherry-picking until you found one that you THINK says what you want it to say? And a closer look at how the data breaks out across party lines and across the years from the previous polls makes Vugilant look even more foolish, because this outdated poll says some things to us that he does NOT want us to believe.

        Vigilant once again prefers to push his opinions and support them with some clip that he has not really read or understood rather than try to argue in his own words. I would suggest that Vig look at a much more recent “poll”, the one held in November that put O’Bama back in the White House for some clues about what the country thinks about “big government”.

        • vietnamvet1971

          RAH, RAH, RAH, RAH, Oblammers # 1 Fan. The Truth will come out eventually Big Boy the whole Truth and not the LIES and Cover ups for this Muslim, Homosexual, Baby Killing Jerk. OOPS… it slipped out. Have a good day.

      • Vigilant

        “Vigilant is back, this time quoting a FIFTEEN MONTH OLD poll as if it had any significance today.”

        Well, No Brain, suggest you revisit that graph. It marks a secular trend of FORTY SIX YEARS that even someone with your myopia can see is an upward trend of distrust of government. To find fault with a poll because it wasn’t completed at 12:00 AM this morning is truly a disingenuous attempt to delegitimize the FACTS that you refuse to see.

        It has significance to someone with normal intelligence, so you may be excused from the discussion if it taxes your faculties.

        Are you suggesting that since the end of 2011 the fear of government has suddenly plummeted? You are indeed delusional and in a state of denial.

        “How much time did you spend cherry-picking until you found one that you THINK says what you want it to say?”

        It was the very first Googled item, lame brain, and it contradicts EXACTLY what you said. Fear of government is growing, not shrinking. You advanced an opinion, I countered with fact.

        “And a closer look at how the data breaks out across party lines and across the years from the previous polls makes Vigilant look even more foolish, because this outdated poll says some things to us that he does NOT want us to believe.”

        There’s not ONE thing in that poll I seek to hide, because it proves my point. Perhaps you’d like to clue us in as to just what you’re fantasizing about. It would be refreshing for once if you departed from the norm and took me on with a factual argument instead of making a wild claim you cannot support.

        I encourage everyone to open that URL and read the facts. YOU will look the fool, not I. “Americans’ concerns about the threat of big government are near record-high levels.”

        “Vigilant once again prefers to push his opinions and support them with some clip that he has not really read or understood rather than try to argue in his own words.”
        No Brain’s a bit rusty on debate tactics. I suspect he took his cue from the 10th grade sophomore debates he witnessed when he was still a paid programmer of callow minds.

        The poll results are FACT. No Brain imagines he finds fodder somewhere in poll results of which we will remain ignorant until he divulges the basis for his incorrect assertion that I have “not really read or understood” it. But that’s NB’s M.O.: he makes assertions hoping that he’s not called on details and facts to back him up. I’m calling you on it now, No Brain: Provide JUST ONE detail about that poll that negates the poll’s own conclusion, i.e., that “Americans’ concerns about the threat of big government are near record-high levels.”

        Alas, we seem to get a glimpse of the basis for his faulty conclusions when he says, “I would suggest that Vig look at a much more recent “poll”, [sic] the one held in November that put O’Bama [sic] back in the White House for some clues about what the country thinks about “big government”. [sic]

        Nothing like the apples and oranges argument, eh, NB? Rising distrust in government by partisans of BOTH parties is somehow negated by 2012 election results? I assure you, if you are receptive to even a smidgeon of logic, that both Republicans and Democrats have been put in office by the electorate since 1965 in the face of rising fears of government overall. Or perhaps you don’t know how to read a graph.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Sorry, Vigilant , but the poll in the link is FIFTEEN MONTHS OLD, and shows data from previous Gallup polls going back only a few years. Where did you get 46 years? And getting bombastic about “finding fault with a poll because it wasn’t completed at 12:00 AM this morning is truly a disingenuous attempt to delegitimize” is just evasion—-polls that are that old are interesting from a historical viewpoint but you are just trying to make a big deal out of this “tidal wave” of distrust of government.

        And this whole comment is just a chest thumping demonstration by vigilant because he perceives that he has caught me in some HUGE error. Pretty hypocritical for someone whom I have caught many dozens of times in far bigger errors (and he has never admitted it once).

        Vigilant is showing that he can make jokes with, “It would be refreshing for once if you departed from the norm and took me on with a factual argument instead of making a wild claim you cannot support”, since that is the exact opposite of the way our discussions go—he is the one who offers “wild and unsupported opinions” and I shoot HIM down with facts.

        He is SO happy with the little bone he has found that he beats the whole thing nearly to death. Let’s make him happy by awarding him some points here. How about 10? or even 20?

        That makes the combined score for all our “jousts” around RBT~300, Vigilant -20

        Of course the gratuitous and excessive use of so many ad hominems will result in the loss of some points—-I may have missed some but I saw lame brain, no brain, myopia, normal intelligence, lame brain, fool, no brain, no brain, no brain, NB. That’s ten, so the revised score is RBT~300, Vigilant-10 (At least he’s ahead of Frank Kahn)

      • Vigilant

        NB says, “Sorry, Vigilant , but the poll in the link is FIFTEEN MONTHS OLD, and shows data from previous Gallup polls going back only a few years. Where did you get 46 years?”

        Let me lead you by the hand. The graph plots poll results going back to 1965. 2011 minus 1965 = 46 years. Do you need the URL again? It’s
        http://www.gallup.com/poll/151490/fear-big-government-near-record-level.aspx

        Here we have a science teacher who doesn’t know how to read a graph. And he accused me of not understanding what I read!

        “He is SO happy with the little bone he has found that he beats the whole thing nearly to death. Let’s make him happy by awarding him some points here. How about 10? or even 20?”

        Proving NB wrong is so bruising to his ego that he can’t even admit defeat with honesty. He covers his embarrassment with a speciously magnanimous gesture of “awarding” me points to mollify me.

      • Vigilant

        Tweaking No Brain’s tail is an enjoyable pastime, but I fast weary of it because it’s like taking unfair advantage of a challenged individual. I simply light the fuse, stand aside and watch the Fourth of July whirligig sputter and fuss until it dies an ignominious death.

        Get ready, NB, I’m going to use a quote, which by your reckoning means I can’t put it into my own words:

        “Heat is in proportion to the want of true knowledge.” – from “Tristram Shandy”

        Laurence Sterne was speaking to YOU, if you can figure it out.

        So now, folks, let’s go to NB for the last word, which he ALWAYS takes, invariably fooled into thinking that I’ve been hounded from the playing field by his arguments, and failing to notice that I have simply wearied of child’s play.

        NB’s childishness:

        Strike one: posting videoclips as distraction, inevitably failing to address facts presented, taking the argument off into the non sequitur weeds, and failing to admit defeat when confronted by superior intellect.

        Strike two: keeping a score card of silly win/loss stats when only HE determines the winner.

        Strike three: assuming victory because I let him have the last word.

        NB, you’re out!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Deleting “old dead threads” from the inbox and discovered that Vigilant sneaked back in for a feeble attempt at saving face on this one. Sorry, Viggie, but I noticed.

        Viggie again impresses us with his colorful language that says nothing with, “Tweaking No Brain’s tail is an enjoyable pastime, but I fast weary of it because it’s like taking unfair advantage of a challenged individual. I simply light the fuse, stand aside and watch the Fourth of July whirligig sputter and fuss until it dies an ignominious death”. Nicely said, but nothing but “strutting”.

        And yet more strutting by Viggie with, “So now, folks, let’s go to NB for the last word, which he ALWAYS takes, invariably fooled into thinking that I’ve been hounded from the playing field by his arguments, and failing to notice that I have simply wearied of child’s play”.
        Hmmmmmm—-why can’t Viggie accept that he HAS been “hounded from the field” and leave gracefully—-this is not the first time it has happened to him. I TAKE the last word only because Viggie runs out of arguments and abandons the game—-that’s his problem, not mine, and I leave it to others to explain to Viggie that he is the “child” here.

        “Strike two: keeping a score card of silly win/loss stats when only HE determines the winner” Silly? If so, why have you not once challenged “the score”? Perhaps because even you can see that I have EARNED the points? And that you also see that I have been generous with you?—-that if we picked over things more closely you’d “lose” by an even bigger margin?

        “Strike three: assuming victory because I let him have the last word” LOL Here Viggie is, sneaking back to take the last word so that HE can claim victory.l Loser!

  • fred d

    I don’t live where I can vote against either of these two rinos. If I did, I would. Mccain has my reapect for what he had to endure in service to our country but nothing he or Graham have done in the political arena warrants anything but contempt. I sincerely hope that the voters in their states support real conservatives to replace them. We are living in a time when our country can not afford wishywashy mambypamby politicians who worry about political correctness and gaining favor with the media instead of standing up for what is right.

    • redhawk

      GREAT! post, Fred! Respect where respect is due. but contemp where contepmt to due. Thank you Seantor Paul!
      Imagine where we would be if McCain had gotten elected to the White House. About the place….. sliding down the slippery slope of Socialism.

  • vietnamvet1971

    Yes, We do have a Constitution & Bill of Rights whether Obozo & the Liberals like it or not.
    But with their mind set that they “Know whats best” for us poor peons and can save us then we are not Free to have any freedoms. The Big, Bad, Behemoth, Bloated, Bankrupt Gimme-mint is a Monster created by the “Career Politicians” and they can not nor they do not want to Tame it. It is a Crime the amount of money WASTED by the Inept Politicians.And they play Political Games with it to enhance their Evil Motives.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      I hope v v1971′s comments don’t lead to a deluge of “parrot talk” on this thread, because that’s all he has done here—parrot the same tired old right wing talking points. We won’t have enough crackers for all the “Pollys” who will want them if they all chime in with more stupidities.

      (And I will repeat yet again, those who use terms like “Obozo” are hardly worth listening to in the first place)

      • Peter 10-nov-1775

        [personal attack has been removed]

      • redhawk

        Well, Right Brain (Thinker I don’t know about), the Socialist minded folks seem to NEED to hear the same things time and time again because they seem to forget we are a republic and have a Constitution that was intended to limit the very thing they seek above all others……. POWER. As for thre Trailer Park comment. that IS offensive ….. Red state or blue state.

      • tony newbill

        Peter RBT is a Legit Indirect Investor Profiteering off the OBama bailouts and Federal Reserves QE Keynesian spending Policy … its all part of that Fundamental Transfer of wealth that we were told was the Hope and Change that would Save the World starting in 2008 that has saved only the Elite and Government and Bureaucracy that has consolidated the Change out of our Pockets into their possession while they Promised us lots of Hope .

      • vietnamvet1971

        Who died and left you the GOD of Know it ALL? I may not be as smart as you Liberal loons that are so educated you don’t know the difference between A Hole in the ground and your own B Hole. Any ways it is my Opinion and I served my Country Honorably and I can say or call the Little Boy president what I want to. He gives me NO Respect so I will give Him NO Respect. So If I hurt your “Politically Correct” feelings who cares, matter of fact here’s a quarter call some one who cares.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        vietnamvet1971 says, “Who died and left you the GOD of Know it ALL?”. The same person that died and left YOU knowing so much. Being an old grunt and having “served honorably” myself, I DO know what a hole in the ground is for. You don’t have to be “educated” to have common sense and be “smart”, v v, all you have to do is use your brain to the best of its abilities—try it and surprise yourself.

        I’ll repeat it, anyone who “served” and refers to the TWICE elected President of the United States as “little boy” is one of those “b holes” you’re talking about. What branch were you anyway? Didn’t it have any pride?

        This president you disrespect was in grade school when you were in Nam—-what kind of “disrespect” has he shown you personally that you think you can talk like that?

        You haven’t hurt my “Politically Correct” feelings because this has nothing to do with political correctness. What is hurt is my “feeling” that someone who wore the uniform can say such out of line things. Please tell me you weren’t a Marine.

        That’s the quarter—–l spent it on a call back to YOU—-thanks.

        • vietnamvet1971

          Well we have a live one here or like you said just another Ole Fart. Who cares about you or the Boy president. Hope you enjoy your Boy for 4 more years. And while you are at it be sure to Kiss gently as he is a Homosexual.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Well, I tried. vietnamvet1971 won’t listen and insists on showing us that he is one of the WIFI (particularly the WI part). I hope to heaven that his so-called “service” was not as a Marine. The ghosts of Smedley Butler and Chesty Puller will be rolling over in their graves if it was.

        I’d still like to know what “disrespect” the President has shown to this WIFI—-his failure to answer that question seems to show us that he was just running his mouth, or maybe it’s just that he lacks the courage to answer—that wouldn’t surprise me..

  • http://www.whyintheworldaretheyspring.com Susan

    Please check this website out I beg of you all who love your Country, your kids, grandkids. Care about there health. This is a large assault on our liberty, You see Obama wants Gun Control, He wants and the progressive movement behind him, to control the nations food supply all the Government regulations have killed our farms. We have less farms in the USA than ever. You control the food, guns, you control the people. I have allot of pics and documentation that this is true, but no senator or co.gress candidate will do nothing, cause they voted for it, they don’t read the bills, they just pass them..

    • Right Brain Thinker

      I said in another comment, “Susan may be the lady who speaks to us in “Sprinkler Rainbow Conspiracy Youtube”. Google it for one of the most alarming clips you will ever see—-it’s only two minutes long and is a revelation. Is that you in the clip, Susan?”

      Susan has not responded, but her latest comment is making me more convinced that she is in fact “Rainbow Sprinkler Lady”. ‘fess up, Susan!

      • Bob666

        Yo RBT,
        Would Susan be one of the pledges for the Voodoo girls?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Could be, devil#Bob. She hasn’t shown as much “talent” as the others yet, but she does have potential. Did you look at the “Rainbow” Youtube clip yet?—-several of the voodoo girls could be the lady in the clip—-Steph, Alondra, Jana—-all good possibilities.

        “Yo RBT,Would Susan be one of the pledges for the Voodoo girls?”

    • Alex

      No offense, Susan, but you sound an awful lot like someone who lives in a Red State trailer park. Just sayin’….but you need lay off the Kool-Aid and have a strong cup of joe with two heaping spoons of reality with a splash of coherence.

      You see, Susan, ANYbody can contribute ANYthing onto to World Wide Internet Web— just look at me….

      • Capitalist at Birth

        What exactly is wrong with a red state trailer park? Are you trying to demean people who live in mobile homes?

      • Bob W.

        You need to come out of your coma.!!

      • Flashy

        CB..here you go…enjoy

        http://trailerking.www4.50megs.com/

    • redhawk

      Keep the faith , Susan! Your observations are right on. It’s ALL about power and conrtol in the District of Socialism.

    • tony newbill

      Susan when you speak what is only Obvious it sends these Lefty trolls that are here to try and take the focus off the truth by making it look like a Joke about fear mongering when its really happening , and they get all worked up and start having to get out the antidepressants spouting off all these remarks that are really just to make themselves feel better while the meds kick into gear and settle their Oh My God they have tarnished the Teflon KING’s Bhagawan like image ……… Keep up the GREAT WORK Susan !!!!!

    • DaveH234

      Susan is correct on the food situation. If the GMO farm conspiracy continues we may, none of us, be able to grow food crops. It started decades ago and was pushed even harder during Reagan’s Admin. by giving patents for living organisms credence. All the Big Farma was in line the day it went down and now have the most control, not the government, over our future. Basic food groups like Corn, Wheat, Rice and other staples are all under their shadow. They even pushed for the Ethanol use in gas as another “Cash Crop” from their patent control. Small farmers took a hit with the approval of patented food.

  • Flashy

    Someone should ask Paul a simple question…what created the issue which everyone with an ounce of common sense would already know the answer to?

    Did Paul ask the question of Brennan in confirmation hearings? Not that anyone knows of.
    Did holder receive any written question or was Holder asked the question in any hearing? Ummmm…look long and hard to see if you can find it.

    Where oh where did Paul think this was even a question? And if Paul thought it was such a huge issue, and he thought (with few others) that a POTUS had such authority….did Paul introduce any legislation restricting those “powers”? Did anyone of the house or Senate?

    Hmmmm…. the coffers of the extremists are getting thin, they need to crank up the money machine by creating an issue from no where, frightening people needlessly, then getting the wacked crazies to send in more cash.

    And to think…it boggles the mind anyone would think to refer to Paul as anything but a wacked extremist. Anyone think he is something other than a wacked extremist … ok, where’s his bill introduced banning such Powers, and if he introduced one, who bottled it up?

    uh oh…facts once again ruining a good rant by the panicked crazies

    • Alex

      nice

    • Freedom Fighter

      Flash you can spew a load of cow chips on demand, to bad nobody is buying cow chips.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • jopa

        Yes Flash, Freedom Fighter doesn’t like cow chips he is into Fox news and he love BS.Or should I say Bull Chips?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I am forced to wade through piles of right wing bull and cow chips every time I visit PLD. I keep calling it “horsepucky” because that passes the filters and I like horses more than cattle. It’s also more euphonic than “bullplop” (which is what it is until it dries out enough—”plop”)

        By the way—-Flash, Jopa, Alex, or anyone else out there with a brain. Have you looked at the Rainbow Sprinkler Conspiracy clip yet? It’s worth it.

      • Flashy

        OK…. RBT, you’ve absolutely convinced me with the Rainbow Conspiracy…wacked and crazed is too mild of a descriptive term to use. I thought using the simile’ of the government failing us because they don’t have an effective shield to protect us from invasion from Outer Space was extreme enough…now, I realize I just may have given the “movement” more to warn us about this administration being traitrous.

        They’ve sold us out to Muslims, the NWO, space aliens, multi-nationals, Israel, Iran, …implemented a complete takeover by the commies, the nazis, China…

        We have FEMA detention camps, a UN treaty to disarm us and use UN troops to take over and complete the coup, plans to use the US military for a coup (thus we need guns to protect against elite military troops), its the Jews, the blacks, the Muslims, the commies, the nazis, the gays and lesbians and the world at large all planning to take the freedoms of Americans (white, ultra christian, gun totin’). A President who is born in another country (no proof..yet there is absolute proof…somewhere. it’s a secret and hidden you know). Rampant voter fraud (never mind there are no facts on that…it’s a fact because who would vote for sanity and reason?), Newtown was a government plot. Oklahoma City Bombing was a government plot, 9/11 was a government plot . We can cut out all spending by the government and maintain economic prosperity, taxes on the rich are not needed, Taxes on the poor aren’t enough, Obamacare is a scoialist plot and it’s best to let millions go without medical care, no abortions because it is against Biblical law, Sharia law is a danger of being put into place ….

        Am i missing anything? Oh…the War on XMas … There is so much to fear and send money to extremist wacked organizations to battle against

      • Michael J.

        Flashy,
        Though you babble and spew, your numbers are few…
        A mere 20%, who can’t pay their rent…
        Liberal communist minority, dependent upon conning a conservative majority…
        Restless useful idiots all, don’t know they’ll be the first lined up against the wall…

        Look at it this way, think of the cash you’re saving on provisions and ammo that can be used to purchase liberal favorites like Feta Cheese, Starbucks coffee, artificial stimulants and pleasure lubricants.

    • Flashy

      FF…please point out the legislation Paul or anyone else introduced prohibiting using drnes on American soil. If it was an issue, before he stood and spouted off for a day, wasting taxpayer money, you’d expect such legislation to be in the coffers. Holder sent a letter which, in essence, called Paul a frippin’ idiot…and more than a few Senators took the podium and said he was an idiot.

      So c’mon big guy….where’s the legislation if this was an issue instead of being made out of thin air? Paul might as well spouted off about aliens from outer space and we didn’t have a anti space alien protection shield in place…about the same relevance.

      So why aren’t YOU asking that same question? Why are you not spouting off about Paul wasting taxpayer monies when the issue HADN’T BEEN AN ISSUE until he began his ranting reading Alice in Wonderland.

      • Freedom Fighter

        Im impressed more cow chips…I no longer give a “real response” to your shill-a-thons anymore — waste of time, you learn nothing.

        I don’t like arguing with a worm tongue democratic operatives who’s only purpose is to obfuscate, ridicule, demean, dilute or misdirect others mind from truth – no more gorilla mind games playing with you.

        Whenever God shines his light
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz2rYVFRIR4

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

      • Right Brain Thinker

        And another Truth Fighter runs for cover. Too late FF, Flash has nailed your hide to the wall—-get some of your mindless motivated reasoner buddies to come pry you loose. Then go hide and chant your little mantras until you feel better.

        • tony newbill

          Flash RBT the US Constitution Protects us from the USE of drones on American Soil the Senator was Filibustering that be Acknowledged by the Bhagwan and cultist members …..

      • Flashy

        Tony…i’m confused. if the US Constitution protects us from the use of attack drones without due process (which i argued a few weeks ago it does when the issue of suffing a hostile American overseas was a topic…funny watching the change of positions from the extremists as they could not bring themselves to agreeing with Admin policy, even if they had supported the use in past)

        Where’s the issue? Paul and the wacked extremists MADE IT UP. they created it, told you you had to be scared of it, assured you they would fight against it, and then hit you up for money because of it. IF it was even a question, and they were so opposed…don’t you think they would have introduced legislation prohibiting it?

        As i stated..it was about as much an issue as the lack of a space beam protective shield guarding against invasion by space aliens. And y’all are scared of an issue that is entirely fiction.

        I laughed when I read the article and how the letter from Holder was portrayed. Funny as hell. truly. the letter was about as smooth of a smack down as the political arena has. Made Paul, his ilk, and anyone who believes it was an issue out to be total complete fools.

        Smack down big time. And…the extremists and crazies are trying to twist it into something else. Hilarious…simply, without question…hilarious

        • tony newbill

          Flashy Common Man , With all the Terminology that’s been going on in the DHS regarding what they consider terrorists like Tea party right wing groups , veterans lone wolves which is about as broad as you can get in making anyone a suspect for a hit and When the Bhagwan was being ambiguous about this , the Clarification Senator Paul was after had to be Demanded for Liberties sake, and you are more worried about the Bhagwans Image than the Liberty of the Nation ????

        • tony newbill

          Flashy Bhagwan is the fool in all of this because it looks like he was trying to LUMP right wing tea party groups and veterans into the same category as those who did 911 and it back fired when Senator Paul asked for the clarification !!!! Eric Holder clarifies policy on drone attacks on U.S. soil

          http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/07/us-usa-congress-holder-idUSBRE92614B20130307

      • redhawk

        That legislation was introduced and signed into law over 200 years ago. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no ………. (Ammendment #4) it’s just the duty of every elected official to uphold it. That the question had to be asked at all is the scary thing and a measure of the divided state of affairs across this country. The Second is unquestionably under attack so why not the 4th, or the 22nd? Mr. Holder sure didn’t care to answer them. Questions like this should be in the forfront of every politicians mind every day and they should NOT have think about the answer. That same response could have been given weeks before and averted this whole thing but no, the libs have to test the wind and push the envelpoe of political correctsness. If Senator Paul had not shined the light on this, Mr. Obama might very well have tried to get away with it. Hell, he might anyway if his history is any measure of his future.

        • tony newbill

          We Need a Filibuster on this NOW !!!!!! You Call this a FREE society ???? Oh I guess the 51 % that don’t pay fed taxes need to know how they are going to keep getting their handouts huh ??? Hey did you know the Middle Class are these people that Bhagwan is going to Spy on …. nice little Greedy Bhagwan we have huh ???

          EXCLUSIVE – U.S. to let spy agencies scour Americans’ finances ,

          http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/13/usa-banks-spying-idINDEE92C0EH20130313

      • Flashy

        “That the question had to be asked at all is the scary thing and a measure of the divided state of affairs across this country. ”

        Errr…and why was it asked? When did it become an issue Who made it an issue? Why wasn’t legislation introduced banning such if it were an issue?

        hink about this and try to explain it in a logical manner.

        We have bin Laden’s son in law. We’re bringing him here to stand trial in a civilian court. The wacked right is up in arms about it. They say we should toss his tush into a military detention camp and ‘interrogate” him for information…before trial and without any civilian trial. Then we have an “American’ snuffed overseas, in a terosit camp, meeting with terrorist leadrship, as he was actively involved in finalizing a plot to attack us on our soil. Egads! We don’t know for sure..we should have waited for an attack, and we should not have snuffed him..we should have captured him (leaving aside the small detail of how)..and brought him here to stand trial in a civiliian court. We have the extremist right saying we shouldn’t be knocking off terrorists overseas who are actively engaged in planning attacks against us. Yet, they are standing ready to scream if there is an attack against us. And, without rhyme or reason, we have the wacked extremists making up some wild outlandish issue which they are hyping as “proof” that this administration is out to get us…all without any legislation or herings on the issue.

        Go ahead…tie all that together into a logical manner. And you wonder why 80% plus of Americans think y’all are lunatics..

      • James L Smith

        How is more laws going to help? they ignoor the constitution so what makes you think they’ll obey new laws.

      • Michael J.

        Freedom Fighter,

        Day-in-the-life of an Obamadrone:
        I awoke this morning from a horrifc nightmare that involved a donkey, an elephant and no lubricant. After shaking it off, I rushed to starbucks for an Allende. After consuming the Liberal laced morning cocktail, I was helpless against the urge to proceed to the Smart Car dealership where I purchased a Smart car so that I might have a place to adhere my Obama/Biden bumpersticker. After accomplishing all of these feel good items, the warm and fuzzy combination of the mornings events compelled me to hurl my newly purchased Bullet Bug down the interstate doin 98, Donning a green bud grin while texting a significant brother, oblivious to the danger I exposed my fellow travelers to as I weaved in and out amongst them oozing a consistent drool on new-car-smell upholstery.

        After my ride to terrorize the working people on their way to and from work, and with a buzz not net deminished, I zipped into the next Starbucks (Starbucks caffiene buzz last 15 minutes, that’s why all Starbucks are 15 minutes apart) to put the WiFi into HiFi. And then like A Flash I logged onto PLD for another round of blocking constructive commentary by injecting Alinsky tactics into every crack and crevice. Why do I?… you ask?… Since I don’t work for a living, but instead, I now vote for a living… gotta do sumthin!!!

    • James-n-Q8

      [personal attack has been removed]

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I assume “wrong brain” refers to me? RBT is quicker, but James must try to match the other fools with some “cuteness”. Since he hasn’t said anything beyond making those “troll” sounds that the parrots of the right wing circular firing squad are always spouting, I won’t say more—-he won’t listen anyway.

    • redhawk

      Flashy, I can believe you could post such words here! Mr. Obama who won’t even protect our borders. has proven time and time again his desire to ignore the Constitution.and even, too often, the rule of law. Many people are afraid of the lieral tidal wave trying to sweep through this country. The Attorney General has already proven that he will ignore the law and hide behind executive privilidge where people serving the US have died because of his policies. He refused to answer simple questions even though compelled to do so by the courts, and Mr. Obama aided and abeted him. Crimes at the highest level. Real Americans deserve better than that and Senator Paul is ready to see that they get it. Why wasn’t a simple answer to that simple question simply forth coming? Everyone knew this filibuster was coming for weeks, there were no secrets. The POTUS can raise absolutely millions of dollars in a single event in support of his pet policies (and liberal lap dogs) and use his bought and paid for media to spread his socialist agenda. Why is it not right that senators can’t use their considerably less resources in the same manner? It’s WAY past time that we ask basic and simple questions of leaders because to many sure seem to care very little for American institutions or traditions. Since when is it extreme to uphold the Constitution? Sheesh!

    • Bob W.

      The question was refined, but , yes the subject was broched in the initial hearings, and not satisfactorily answered.

    • http://twitter.com/Bellearitz K Bright (@Bellearitz)

      Actually, yes, that question WAS asked and not answered. It was asked again over two months and they refused to answer.

      THAT is why the filibuster. Why was the answer important? Because when ( and I do believe it will be “when”) they start murdering US citizens on US soils it establishes that they knowingly and with forsight did so – knowing that it was an act of murder, mass murder, and treason against the USA. THAT makes it an attack on the USA by traitors.

      Just like Brennan took his oath on the older version of the Constitution before the Amendments (Bill of Rights) – as if it would free him from having to recognize them. It was jsut window dressing and the Oath is a lawful requirement and it requires that the lawful Constitution be upheld. The Preamble to the Bill of Rights:

      Preamble to the Bill of Rights

      Congress of the United States
      begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
      THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
      RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.
      ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

      He can try all he wants to go around that, and I believe he will. But that will NEVER make it lawful.

      • tony newbill

        Even if Bhagwan orders the Military to seize control of the assets of the citizenry in the event of a economic collpase or assault on the homeland they will stand down and refuse the order !!!!!

    • TML

      Flashy says, “… he thought (with few others) that a POTUS had such authority….did Paul introduce any legislation restricting those “powers”? Did anyone of the house or Senate?”

      The obvious answer to that is such legislation would be ‘restricting the Presidents’ war powers, and most people are sadly against doing that even in the face of perpetual undeclared wars, interventions, and imperialist foreign policies.

      Flashy says, “Where oh where did Paul think this was even a question?”
      Flashy says, “…what created the issue which everyone with an ounce of common sense would already know the answer to?”

      Let’s see… in the midst of perpetual wars, and a government who says your right to trial can be suspended without being charged for a crime and only suspected of being an enemy combatant, while having already assassinated an American citizen on foreign soil, and then actually contemplated doing so when Dorner (a cop killer/murderous criminal) was said by some to an enemy combatant… that is what created the issue which everyone with an ounce of common sense would want to know the answer to, and why is wasn’t just a few others.

      I suppose the only thing that need further be made clear at this point is, what constitutes an American citizen being considered “in combat”

  • Peter 10-nov-1775

    The heck with the country-being on the inside with ‘the massa’ in the big house is all important.

  • http://PLD FRENCHIE

    YA KNOW, IT’S ACTUALLY SCARY TO THINK I VOTED FOR McCAIN IN ’08. BUT THEN AGAIN, WHAT OTHER CHOICE DID THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT LEAVE ME WITH ? I’M THINKING THAT IT’S ABOUT TIME TO PUT “THE MAVERICK” OUT TO PASTURE & ALL THE OTHER RINO’S RIGHT ALONG WITH HIM. GRAHAM CAN KISS MY A$$ AS WELL !!! WHY WOULD (SUPPOSEDLY) REPUBLICAN SENATORS NOT SUPPORT RAND ? IT MAKES NO SENSE. GOD KNOWS RAND’S QUESTION & POINT WAS SPOT ON. IT DESERVED AN ANSWER WITHOUT HAVING TO FILIBUSTER FOR 13 HOURS. BUT TENACITY LIKE THAT IS WHAT IT’S GOING TO TAKE TO GET ANSWERS FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION ABOUT ANYTHING, LET ALONE SUCH AN IMPORTANT POINT. THE GOOD THING ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS, NOT ONLY DID IT EXPOSE A COUPLE RINO-CRATS FOR WHAT THEY ARE, BUT IT SENT A MESSAGE. IT PUT THE WHITE HOUSE ON NOTICE THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO QUIETLY GO ALONG WITH THE PROGRAM, EVEN WHEN HORRIBLY OUTNUMBERED. THERE’S STILL A FEW THAT HAVE THE RIGHT IDEA & OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE BALLS TO ACT ON IT. THIS IS A GOOD THING, PEOPLE. MAYBE IT’LL INSPIRE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME THING & MAYBE MORE WILL BEGIN TO GROW A SPINE. WE CAN ALWAYS HOPE, ANYHOW……………………………..

    • Alex

      Please—-Eye cannot hear your words when you are SCREAMING SO LOUD!!!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Ditto. I never read the all large case posts.

      • Bob W.

        Alex & Cap.,
        I think you both are just being CHILDISH!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I agree with Alex and Cap, and I’m over 70 and long past “childish”. That’s what makes CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON so hard to read—-the SHOUTING. Caps should be saved for words that need emphasis, since we are so limited in what we can do with text on this site.

      • Vigilant

        RBT, who claims that he is “over 70 and long past “childish,” contradicts his claim with “(PS I just read on a wing-nut site that the drones are going to use nuclear-tipped missiles—-we are going to double down on what we did to Japan and do it here in America!—-to Americans!!!!—-horrors—-spread the word).”

        …And does it again with his posting of a wacko rainbow conspiracy youtube video.

        Now tell us, my childish friend, what do these things have to do with the discussion thread? Obviously, nothing more than attempts at diversion, false association and straw man arguments. Saul Alinsky would be proud of you.

        RBT is not averse to this intellectual dishonesty, which seeks to conflate the legitimate with the truly wacko in order to discredit. He also breaks the so-called liberal credo by violating their own rule against stereotyping. But, I suppose that breach is allowable under the “end justifies the means” maxim of the left.

        Flashy on March 15 at 09:32 AM continues with RBT’s persiflage by providing a list of things as if Conservatives and Constitutionalists buy into all of the claims as a package. Here’s news for you: they don’t. Attempts to paint all right wing folks with a broad, stereotypical brush is a cheap, disingenuous trick.

        And RBT’s “By the way…Jopa, Alex, or anyone else out there with a brain” comment takes the cake. He denies that he is a committed leftist, but makes his bed with jopa and Alex, whose comments over the past three years that I have been here clearly indicate an anti-capitalism, America-hating, pro socialist stance that is undeniable, repeat, undeniable.

        Seems so often the way to tell a leftist and paid shill is by their strenuous denials that they are such, and the delusion under which they labor that their positions are “centrist.”

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vigilant, who has said that I am “stalking” him, appears to be stalking ME as he sneaks back into quiet corners of dying threads and spouts foolishness.

        Vigilant has been sharing too many brain waves with Frank Kahn, apparently, because Vig can’t recognize the satirical intent of the “nuclear-tipped drone missiles”.

        And I did WHAT again with my posting of a “wacko rainbow conspiracy youtube video”? Posting that was childish? Au contraire, Vig, it is an educational clip—-designed to show everyone just what kinds of “wacko” individuals reside on the “government is bad” end of the spectrum with you. I have looked at much “stuff” like it about chemtrails, FEMA camps and trains, fluoride in water, etc., and think the world should know who we are letting vote in this country.

        OH LOOK!!! An ALINSKY reference!!!! Talk about diversion and things that are not relevant to the thread, Vigilant has to parrot some of the same old same old And Vigilant follows that with some circular logic that isn’t even worth addressing. Just more pseudo-intellectual blah blah blah.

        And speaking of pseudo-intellectual blah blah blah, Vigilant has used a word that I have NEVER EVER heard used or even seen in print until I looked it up! He’s a good “looker upper” he is, especially when he needs to dress up the poverty of his arguments with “flashy” words, and he must have a thesaurus to go along with his dictionary.

        Here’s a flashy word for you, Vigilant—-I came across it while I was looking up “persiflage”—-it’s “pyrrhuloxia”—-feel free to use it even though it refers to a genus of finches and has no relevance to anything said on PLD (like much of what you say).

        Flash is speaking truth when he says that Conservatives and Constitutionalists buy into “packages”. There is much “evidence” and “proof” out there for such an assertion, much more than one can find to prove that it is NOT true. Painting all right wing folks with a broad, stereotypical brush is only slightly “unfair” in view of the fact they THEY THEMSELVES do it TO THEMSELVES allo the time and even seem to revel in it. Look at the 2012 Republican primaries for evidence of “broad brush wielding” by righties against righties that approached the level of comedy.

        And Vigilant has been coming around here for THREE years and no one has slapped him down until now? I “make my bed” with anyone who respects truth, who examines facts in a rational manner, and forms supportable opinions based on facts and argues them. I have even agreed with Vigilant on more than one occasion. What I cannot accept from him is his “broad brush painting” of anyone who doesn’t agree with his “right wing talking points” as an “anti-capitalist, America-hating, pro socialist”. What is “undeniable, repeat, undeniable” is that Vigilant is a hypocrite and so blinded by confirmation bias.that he can’t even think straight enough to make good arguments.

        And “strenuous denials”? LOL All us “leftists” hardly need to work up a sweat answering Vigilant’s horsepucky—–he’s easy.

      • Vigilant

        No Brain says, “And speaking of pseudo-intellectual blah blah blah, Vigilant has used a word that I have NEVER EVER heard used or even seen in print until I looked it up! He’s a good “looker upper” he is, especially when he needs to dress up the poverty of his arguments with “flashy” words, and he must have a thesaurus to go along with his dictionary.”

        Well, that’s a relief, with No Brain’s penchant for making up words, I thought he had never invested in a dictionary. You forgot to thank me, fool, you just learned a new word. And congratulations, you may be teachable after all. Enjoy your new word, and find conversations into which you may insert it.

        A word, BTW, that I’ve been using since I was a teenager. That’s right, you were deprived by being brought up in a household whose parents were not as intelligent as mine. Poor No Brain.

        Another aside, I haven’t used a thesaurus in quite some time. Of course, No Brain will say, “I’m not calling you a liar, but I don’t believe you.” That’s like saying, “you are correct but I don’t believe you.” Go figure; that only makes sense in the atrophied brain (?) of NB.

        Bottom line: he’s furiously jealous because he’s met someone smarter than he.

        P.S. Where’s that puerile score card of yours?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vigilant says, “Enjoy your new word, and find conversations into which you may insert it”. That will never happen, Vigilant, because I am not a pseudo-intellectual phony like you that uses “flashy words” to disguise the poverty of his arguments (or have I said that before).

        You can claim that you have used that word since you were a teenager but I don’t believe it. I AM calling you a liar. I could walk into the English department of any five high schools and likely not find a single English teacher that could define it, and if one could, not one of them would ever say they had used it. And now Vigilant’s parents are more intelligent than mine? How smug! (Unless his parents are standing there helping him, they will be of little use anyway, since it appears that Vig has inherited little real brainpower from them.)

        More mindless chest beating with “Bottom line: he’s furiously jealous because he’s met someone smarter than he”. I have met quite a few folks who are smarter than me, Vig, but you’re not one of them. In fact, you don’t seem quite as smart as WTS/JAY, someone that you sound more like every day. About the only thing I might envy about you, Vig, is your ability to stand up and throw horsepucky—-at that you are a bona fide champ.

        “P.S. Where’s that puerile score card of yours?” I’m not using it here because all the gratuitous ad hominems and mindless chest beating in this comment have put you into minus territory on this one. Don’t want to cut into the 10 you have built up from the “poll” question.

      • Vigilant

        “I could walk into the English department of any five high schools and likely not find a single English teacher that could define it, and if one could, not one of them would ever say they had used it.”

        Indeed. Nothing new there. Try fifty schools and you’ll probably come up with the same result. Why does that not surprise me? Even YOU, the great sage, seer and soothsayer of a “former educator” never learned that punctuation goes WITHIN the quotation marks, not outside. And you graduated from high school at a time when an education still meant something.

        Today’s English teachers are the product of a dumbed down university education…as are MOST teachers. In most states the requirements to obtain a teaching certificate are lower than those to get a degree in business administration.

        Major in English and you don’t even need to read Shakespeare or the classics any more. I’ll wager that the folks in my graduating class from high school today know more about proper English and literature than do the “educators” who populate our programming mills.

        A number of high schools now have combined English and Social(ist) Studies, which shows you how much importance is attached to the ability to communicate, a skill of greater importance in this world than many another. Add to this the union-fomented opposition to periodic teacher certification and you are left with no mystery as to why so many high school seniors are functionally illiterate.

        Face it, NB, you are awed by my ability to express myself with clarity and exactness, and your shortcomings simply provide you with one more reason to play Saul Alinsky and target the individual, not the message.

  • Freedom Fighter

    We need to keep shining the light on these democrate and republican Communist/Socialist/Facist cockroaches and the rats in the whitehouse.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

    • truesoy

      Freedom…

      It seems you don’t know the definition of any one of the political systems you enumerated. Nor you know the definition of conservatism either for if you did you would know is closer to communism and/or fascism than you think, except for using God in every other sentence.
      So, what are you gonna do in 2016 when another democrat gets elected to The White House, and possibly a democratic Controlled Congress? Will you be planning to move to Somalia by any chance? I believe this is true ‘conservative republican paradise’. It has next to no government at all.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • tony newbill

        Truesoy please tell me how Communism and Conservatism is the same regarding private ownership of tangible wealth and the idea that inalienable rights given by God versus a handout by a Communist dictatorship is the same ??

      • http://twitter.com/Bellearitz K Bright (@Bellearitz)

        “The time to be concern about the 1st amendment is past, and so is the same for the 4th, which basicale voids the second by default. And for that thank Bush and the Patriot Act. But again, it was supported by you all conservatives and supposedly patriots.”

        You are incorrect. Just like with Obama, we did NOT support Bush. Matter of fact we fought before Bush was replaced by Obama to have him arrested and prosecuted as a traitor, murderer, war criminal, etc.

        Then we went to Obama immediately after he was sworn in asking for the same and he pardoned Bush. Then Obama not only continued with the Bush policies, he extended them. We went from having Special Operations in 70 foreign nations to having them in OVER 140 foreign nations. WE still have GITMO and it is still being used. Obama extended and added to the Patriot Act. NDAA, etc.

        If you know your history, and shame on you if you do NOT; Obama has implemented most of what was in “Mein Kampf”. But then so did Bush 1, Clinton(s), Bush 2, and now Obama. They did it slower here in the USA BECAUSE we are armed and they had to “dumb down” the populace.

        Registration –> confiscation –> democide (death by government).

        Feinstein is also a traitor to the USA as is EVERYONE in the legislative branch and some in the judicial branch. Yes, I can back that up.
        IF you are assisting think of this; one day we will hunt all US traitors down, arrest and prosecute them. There will be NO WHERE on this planet they will be able to hide. We will never stop hunting them unless there is proof of their death. Those who actively worked against the USA: the Bush’s, the Clinton’s, the Obama’s, and those in their adminstrations – we will PUSH for the death penalty.

    • macgyver1948

      Freedom Fighter… And we need to keep an eye on the Nazis on the Right as well. What good does it do to label people especially when we do not really know they are what we are labeling? You need to get to know the definitions and Commies before you call the ones who aren’t out of their politics. But I suppose that is what your higher ups want of you.

      • tony newbill

        what has created the great divide in the USA is NOT FOLLOWING the Constitution !!!! So we end up with extreme opposition to each others NEW IDEAS !!!http://www.dsausa.org/

        • macgyver1948

          tony newbill… Yes, the great divide, I agree. But so much of that is from the huge money that buys our representative’s(?) loyalty and souls and that woks against us forming more than just the divide. The Founders so much warned us about the evils of corporations and we still haven’t learned.

          For example but very much not limited to:
          “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

          Thomas Jefferson got it right when in 1802 he wrote, “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property—until their children wake up homeless in the continent their fathers conquered.”

          And why do we go on forgetting this:
          “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln

          • tony newbill

            pretty good quotes to think about Macgyver thanks .

          • macgyver1948

            tony newbill … The founders and modern Tea, so unlike the original, are at severe odds when it comes to liberty and corporations. Modern Tea owns and controls over 270 elected GOP in Congress, through mafia like pledges and other things, and the Founders would not like that. I’m glad you like the quotes…

      • Bob666

        Yo Mac,
        looks like you’re having too much fun!

        • macgyver1948

          Bob666… How’s it going? I do have fun but I wonder about the logic and thought processes often here. When people assume labels for those who do not agree with them there is loads of nonsense.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            Been reading the post tonight and I have to say that I mourn the death of common sense. there are some very “special” people here today!

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… I have been reading a bunch of them too. No hate or lack of sense here. What is the message, for example, in referring to Obama as “boy”? I guess it escapes me, LOL…

  • James-n-Q8

    Don’t look now folks but, that buzzing sound you hear are your president’s drones circleing
    overhead. Holder and company will say and do whatever they think they can get away with. Then, like the cockroaches they are, they scurry under the refrigerator when the lights are turned on them.

    • http://twitter.com/Bellearitz K Bright (@Bellearitz)

      True.

      But the significance of the answer to Rand Paul by Holder shows that they are aware that it IS unlawful which then would make those an attack on the USA by traitors to the USA.

      • Shane

        They still avoided the truth……….‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no.”

        Engaged in combat……….who will define that term…..what are the guidlines?

    • http://yahoo.com Maynard

      It is untrue and irresponsible to call the drones “Obama”s”. I deplore Obama’s use of them but the fact is that $83 billion was appropriated for drones under a BIPARTISAN vote. If Romney were elected, we would be under just as much a threat as we are under Obama.
      Rand Paul has not had the courage (or maybe he realizes it would be fighting the brainwashed public too much) to call for us getting our troops home and stop meddling in other countries unlike his father Ron has had.
      I find something unpleasant about him, but I am trying to think only about his policies.
      Furthermore, he is all for meddling in a women’s right to choose if she wants to keep a pregnancy or not. A woman should have the right to choose and tell me, what harm is it in using the morning after pill which he also opposes? If the woman uses it, we do not know whether she is killing a tiny, microscopic zygote or not. It is far more harmful to bring a child into this world without all of the support in place for it to prosper than it is to prevent its growth beyond that primitive state. An ounce of prevention is a pound of cure and a stitch in time saves nine.

  • STEVE E.

    Rand Paul would make a great President, however, there are too many RINO loving Repubs that will not vote for him in the primaries to get him to the general election. This will result in another loss for the Repubs in 2016 because they will nominate another RINO to run. I believe the Repubs are dead in any Presidential race that I will see in my lifetime.

    • http://twitter.com/Bellearitz K Bright (@Bellearitz)

      Remove them (the ones from your state) as per law.

      Federal law regulating oath of office by government officials is divided into four parts along with an executive order that further defines the law for purposes of enforcement.

      5 U.S.C. 3331, provides the text of the actual oath of office members of Congress are required to take before assuming office.

      5 U.S.C. 3333 requires members of Congress, and any individual who accepts office or employment in the Government of the United States or in the government of the District of Columbia sign an affidavit that they have taken the oath of office required by 5 U.S.C. 3331 and have not or will not violate that oath of office during their tenure of office as defined by the third part of the law,

      5 U.S.C. 7311 which explicitly makes it a federal criminal offense for anyone employed in the United States Government to “advocate the overthrow of our constitutional form of government”, or “is a member of an organization that he knows advocates the overthrow of our constitutional form of government”.

      18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath of office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: (1) removal from office and; (2) confinement or a fine. (“Whoever violates the provision of section 7311 of title 5 that an individual may not accept or hold a position in the Government of the United States or the government of the District of Columbia”)

      The definition of “advocate” is further specified in *Executive Order 10450 which for the purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. 7311.

      *(“WHEREAS the interests of the national security require that all persons privileged to be employed in the departments and agencies of the Government, shall be reliable, trustworthy, of good conduct and character, and of complete and unswerving loyalty to the United State”
      (2) Commission of any act of sabotage, espionage, treason, or sedition, or attempts thereat or preparation therefore, or conspiring with, or aiding or abetting, another to commit or attempt to commit any act of sabotage, espionage, treason, or sedition.
      (3) Establishing or continuing a sympathetic association with a saboteur, spy, traitor, seditionist, anarchist, or revolutionist, or with an espionage or other secret agent or representative of a foreign nation, or any representative of a foreign nation whose interests may be inimical to the interests of the United States, or with any person who advocates the use of force or violence to overthrow the government of the United States or the alteration of the form of government of the United States by unconstitutional means.
      (4) Advocacy of use of force or violence to overthrow the government of the United States, or of the alteration of the form of government of the United States by unconstitutional means.
      (5) Knowing membership with the specific intent of furthering the aims of, or adherence to and active participation in, any foreign or domestic organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons (hereinafter referred to as organizations) which unlawfully advocates or practices the commission of acts of force or violence to prevent others from exercising their rights under the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State, or which seeks to overthrow the Government of the United States or any State or subdivision thereof by unlawful means.)

      Executive Order 10450 provision specifies it is a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 for any person taking the oath of office to advocate “the alteration … of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means.”

      Our form of government is defined by the Constitution of the United States; so according to Executive Order 10450 plus 5 U.S. 7311 any act taken by government officials who have taken the oath of office prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 3331 which alters the form of government other then by amendment, is a criminal violation of the 5 U.S.C. 7311.

  • Theresa

    We need a lot more examples like Rand Paul. He is the first one that has got any money out of my pocket and that is hard to do. But then again he is the first one that has actually done something.

    • nc

      Theresa, Rand Paul rose and said he was rising in an attempt to stop the approval of the President’s nomination for SOD! He talked 13 hours, sat down and the nomination went through!

      Talking 13 hours continuously for a losing cause IS NOT a record! My first wife talked continuously for 10 YEARS with the same results!

      • http://twitter.com/Bellearitz K Bright (@Bellearitz)

        You are incorrect, he got an answer, which is what he was filibustering for. The answer was that it was NOT lawful to murder US citizens on US soil (Holder) by drone or other means.

        In case you thought that it ONLY applied to DRONES murdering US citizens or those who legally have a right to be here – it did NOT. It would have meant that they thought that they could murder American citizens on US soil by any means they felt like. When he got that acknowledgement from Holder – it mean that when (and I do believe it will be “when”) they do murder US citizens on US soil they are doing it with the fullknkowledge that it IS murder and mass murder.

      • Hedgehog

        Nc; I agree with your first wife. You are definitely a lost cause!

        • tony newbill

          Hedgehog I think that is a great analogy of Gods ability to make sense of what NC said !!!!

      • ch3330

        Can’t speak for the second talker, but I suppose she was wise to talk her way out of a bad trap.
        As for Rand Paul, if you believe what you say, you missed the essence of his effort.

  • nc

    Chip. we live in blessed times! We have been privy to the arrival of the two greatest leaders in the history of conservative Republican politics!! Mr. Ron Paul and whats’s her name from Wasilla! As “Crazy” Crystals would say “Whatever happened to her?”
    Do you have any idea what it costs to run the Congress for a day and Ron Paul shut it down to read Alice in Wonderland?? Most people who have a question write a letter! Not Ron! But we know where he is from so what are the odds he can’t write?

    • Alex

      A+

      • redhawk

        Alex, do you have any what it cost taxpayers for Michelles BD bash or the Obanas lavish vacations? Don’t come here and pander to this bunch of above the law eletes. This question was out there for weeks and so was the threat of a fillibuster. All it required was a simple answer. This government deserved to be shut down and for way more than a day for it’s lack of caring. We live in uncertain and divisive times thanks to an administration that wants to push it’s weight around at will. That’s not politics nor is it anything but bullying! Senator Paul had an obligation to ask what the highest lawer in the land thinks. These kinds of questions need to be asked more not less and you know what? Democrats should be asking just as much as republicans. I promise you, if a democrat stood up and asked the same questions he or she woule be applauded just as loudly. Protecting it’s citizens and their way of life is THE NUMBER ONE JOB of any government.

    • Freedom Fighter

      What will it cost to let our great country be taken over by socialist/communist progressives?

      Our Freedom and Liberty, its priceless.

      What will it cost to let Obominiaton drone kill Americans?
      What will it cost to lose the 2nd ammendment or the 1st?

      It will cost generations thier freedom and liberty, a day of congress is a tiny price to pay to slow or stop the agenda.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        When we decide it was perfectly alright to put our hands in our neighbors pocket and steal his wealth, all that we needed was some politicial hit men to do it for us. Government can commit no crime that we can’t do ourselves, and be legitimate that is.

      • nan nem

        Amen to that, Freedom Fighter.

      • truesoy

        Freedom,

        The time to be concern about the 1st amendment is past, and so is the same for the 4th, which basicale voids the second by default. And for that thank Bush and the Patriot Act. But again, it was supported by you all conservatives and supposedly patriots.
        I thought you’d like to know.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • http://twitter.com/Bellearitz K Bright (@Bellearitz)

        You are correct! Thank you for your service and for keeping your oath.

        It is past time to bring Bush 1, Clinton(s), Bush 2, and Obama in for treason against the USA. It is past time to also prosecute Bush 1, Clinton(s), and Obama and each of their adminstrations for Murder, Mass Murder, War Crimes, and various other criminal and civil violations. Why not Bush 2? Because Obama pardoned his crimes so we can ONLY prosecute him for treason.

        The laws are there (and they are lawful here in the USA), and the proof is there also.

        You probably already know the treason ones, the oath breaker ones, etc as I have posted them here MANY times.

        Here are some more to ponder:
        18 USC § 241 – Conspiracy against rights: If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
        If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
        They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

        U.S. Supreme Court CAHA v. U.S., 152 U.S. 211: “Generally speaking, within any state of this Union the preservation of the peace and the protection of person and property are the functions of the state government, and are NO PART of the primary duty, at least, of the nation. The laws of congress in respect to those matters DO NOT extend into the territorial limits of the states, but have force ONLY in the District of Columbia, and other places that are within the exclusive jurisdiction of the national government.”

        Rost v. Municipal Court of Southern Judicial District of San Mateo (1960): “The Legislature, either by amending or otherwise, may not nullify a constitutional provision”

        Eisner v. Macomber, 252 U.S. 189 (1920): “Congress … cannot by legislation alter the Constitution, from which alone it derives its power to legislate, and within whose limitations alone that power can be lawfully exercised.”
        They can pass all the legislation they like BUT it is only lawful in D.C. and other properties owned by or ceded to the federal government!

        Fina Supply, Inc. v. Abilene Nat. Bank, 726 S.W.2d 537, 1987 it says “Party having superior knowledge who takes advantage of another’s ignorance of the law to deceive him by studied concealment or misrepresentation can be held responsible for that conduct.”

        Rubinstein v. Collins, 20 F.3d 160, 1990 “Knowing failure to disclose material information necessary to prevent statement from being misleading, or making representation despite knowledge that it has no reasonable basis in fact, are actionable as fraud under law.”

        Brookfield Construction Company V. Stewart 284 F Sup. 94: “An officer who acts in violation of the constitution ceases to represent the government.”

        • tony newbill

          K Bright they will all hide behind this globalist ideology that all forms of freedom is threatening the Earth and its ability to sustain humanity if any of these laws are used to bring justice for the Usurpation of Individual Rights under the Clauses you state .
          When they talk about climate change being a threat to the Eco system its This fundamental they are really talking about . The fact that the USA has sustainable rates if you enforce Immigration rules is a topic in this at the end …….

          “Science Summit” on World Population:
          A Joint Statement by 58 of the World’s Scientific Academies

          http://dieoff.org/page75.htm

      • macgyver1948

        Freedom Fighter… Freedom and Liberty, per our US Constitution, is what gives you the right to call people “socialist/communist” and you and many others on your side of the aisle do but does that make you correct about them especially since most Liberals and Democrats in general are not? They have the same right to call you a Nazi so who would be more right? Real Liberty and Freedom is when each of us has the right, without being concerned, to speak his mind freely. Calling people what they are not just because you do not agree with them, or is it that they do not agree with you(?), is never really liberty or freedom equally for all. Maybe it is a Golden Rule thing but it is not showing in the calling people “socialist/communist” when they really aren’t.

        • tony newbill

          Macgyver you are right in the sense that many democrats are trapped in the hypocrisy of their Party , this guy tells that story quite well …… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96d_CzrfxsM

          • macgyver1948

            tony newbill … You say “Macgyver you are right in the sense that many democrats are trapped in the hypocrisy of their Party” First off I did not imply that let alone say that. Actually I do not agree but that is my right. Also many on the Left believe that about the Right, that the Right is “trapped in the hypocrisy of their Party” and that shows we are all equally entitled to our beliefs. It is what we each choose to believe. Just ask religious fanatics who say “only we are right and if you disagree with us you have to be wrong”. Those are people I do not want to be around whether it be their religious or political views.

            Thanks for the link. I like a lot of what this guys says here but some of his implications are only his opinions. I have so many reservations concerning the use, especially the potential for misuse, of drones. And I dig Martin Luther King Jr too.

          • tony newbill

            The Constitution is to keep the Hypocrisy of any Ideology in a movement from Usurping the rights of Citizens while they pursue the freedoms of this Great nation .
            It can be said that in this Global Market scheme the rights of the Citizens is being usurped when the Multi nationalists and Our Government Do NOT write Policies in trade and Tax code that enable the Citizens in the USA to make use of their nations wealth in Resources and make those resources into products that are used here and abroad ,

          • macgyver1948

            tony newbill… I kind of like what you say here but it is so broad and generalized it could go in many political directions…. It is a Citizens Government or at least it was created that way. The politicians and those they appointed have forgotten that over the years and the sad part is we let them…

      • macgyver1948

        Freedom Fighter… You are so right with your implications of cost in losing the First Amendment. We will lose it all if we lose any of it. We cannot allow that to happen here. Hitler used Free speech to the max in his attempt to steal Germany because he knew how powerful and effective Free Speech is. Then, when he was successful in stealing Germany especially since he lost the election by a nice margin, one of the first things he did was eliminate Free Speech for those who did not agree with him because he knew how powerful and effective Free Speech is. Again, we cannot allow that to happen here and not even to any degree. It doesn’t help to name call or label people just because they do not agree with us.

        As for the Second Amendment, no one is suggesting that we do lose it but we should be watchful…

    • tony newbill

      NC why is Obama stockpiling AMMO for decades and Centuries of WAR ?

      It has now been confirmed that the goal of the Department of Homeland Security is to purchase a total of 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. A portion of that ammunition is hollow point bullets, which have been banned from use in war by international law. Another portion is specialized sniper ammunition.
      In case you have a difficult time comprehending the significance of 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition, allow me to give you a couple of comparisons. During the height of the war in Iraq, the US Army fired less than 6 million rounds per month. That means DHS has enough ammunition to supply the US Army for 266.67 months (22.22 years) of intense war.
      Currently, the DHS uses approximately 15 million rounds of ammunition every year at their various training facilities. At that rate, they have enough ammunition for 106.67 years of training.
      So ask yourself, what is the justification for the purchase of 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition by the Department of Homeland Security, especially when some of it is illegal to use in war? Now ask yourself why Sen. Dianne Feinstein is so concerned about private citizens stockpiling ammunition, weapons and using high capacity magazines when the federal government is doing the same time only a thousand times more?

      Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/9856/warning-signs-obama-poised-hostile-military-takeover-us/#ixzz2NcJynpBf

      • nc

        tony, we have for decades had weapons at the disposal of our Presidents capable of killing millions in minutes! Even poisons for the water supplies ands sprays from the air and the death total of AMERICAN CITIZENSfrom the use of those weapons is??? More wackos have killed themselves worrying about them than have died from them!
        You need to buy Brandon’s kit on HOW TO LIVE LIKE A MOLE and dig yourself a hole in the desert! I understand that Sam’s Club has a real bargain on canned beans and beef jerky! UNFOUNDED FEARS ARE TREATABLE!!!!

      • truesoy

        tony,

        Man, you can’t believe everything you hear.
        Here is the scoop. The reason Obama is stockpilen bullets is not to use against us. No!. The truth is a bit more complicated. See, a while back, just right after the election, Obama, weak as he was on our defense (all republicans know that) removed most security from Area 51, and we all know what’s in there, or wha/who was there, right?. Well, because of the lax security,(Obama’s fault), one of the ET’s escaped, and apparently, although we caught him, but not soon enough, he was able to establish communication with his home planet. The people there were so pist at us for the unjustified imprisonment of one of their own and the subsequent ‘waterboarding’ that he was subjected to by order of VP Cheney during the Bush administration, that the Obama administration fears, and justifiable so, an invasion from ET’s home planet.
        Well, I hope you feel better now that you know the truth.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • macgyver1948

        tony newbill …Yes Home Land Security is establishing stock piles but they aren’t just starting that any more than they are just now starting to weaken the Constitution. We should remember who Home Land Security was established under and it wasn’t Obama. Mush of the damages started by them was started in their beginnings and they are continuing. I believe the weakening of the Constitution without full citizen’s permission, since the Constitution is there to protect us from Government and not the other way around, is treason and they could be considered domestic enemies but what can I do about it more than this?

    • Liberty Lover

      It costs the country so much more when the Congress is in session than when it isn’t.

      • macgyver1948

        Hi there Liberty Lover… Yes it does cost us more when Congress is in session but they are not so accountable for their spending it seems. I think we should not pay or benefit them while they are not in session as well as make they obligated to all they obligate us with, such as Social Security, and we would watch how fast the budgets get adjusted.

  • VENOM

    McCain is a senile pile…

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    ” In the beginning of change, a patriot is a scarce man, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot”… Mark Twain At the run of up to the American Revolution, it’s said that Samuel Adams was that man. He was voicetrous to the point he rallied the people to arms and he didn’t care if the slimey red coats were listening.Then we had Patrick Henry: “Give me liberty or give me death”. Now, we are being deluged with edicts and decrees in the name of law. Politicians go through the motions of making “laws” but their not laws. Law in America has to pass the Consitution muster to be law. Law isn’t one persons opinion vs. anothers, as it is today. That’s democracy without moral or constitutional bounds, lynch mob justice. Do we want poiticians having charge over our lives, liberties and properties that rule with their feelings? This isn’t saying the republicans or liberals are wrong. All the people are dead wrong because both groups interpret the constitution and their laws as they see fit. Law starts with the Transcendental law, God’s law. The constitution was originally written so that it would be in accordance with God’s law. Now? We’re disobeying what politicians call laws when we don’t bow down to thier edicts and decrees. We’re ignoring our wall against tyranny, our Constitution. We’re not living in accordance to American law. When they obey, say we have to have the courage to say NO, YOU OBEY

    The founders started the revolution when conditions were far less than those we are enduring. Read the Declaration of Independence. Read your Consitution and see for yourself where in the constitution your turning a blind eye to the American law. Satan has persuaded his legions and they are running rampant over us.

    • truesoy

      Christian American;

      Where do you get the notion that The Constitution was originally written so that it would be ‘in accordance with God’s Law?
      Have you read the Constitution?
      In my opinion you’ve spent too much time in the loony bin.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • Jana

        truesoy,
        If that’s what you think good for you.

        • truesoy

          Jana,

          It is not just what I think. It is a fact.
          Christians have to get in touch with reality when attempting to advance either a religious and/or political agenda for to do otherwise can only damage their credibility.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Jana

        truesoy,
        Sure!

      • Jana

        truesoy,
        t is not just what I think. It is a fact.
        Christians have to get in touch with reality when attempting to advance either a religious and/or political agenda for to do otherwise can only damage their credibility.

        Sincerely,

        I misread your post yesterday, I thought you said they are not in touch with reality.

        Your comment makes no sense either way actually.

        • truesoy

          Jana;

          My comment makes sense. This is what I meant:
          The fact that christians believe that our government should be based on religious ground (christianity, that is), is a fantasy. This is why I urged you to get your religious and your political beliefs in line with reality.
          See, Jana, our country was not founded as a ‘christian government’. Ours is a secular form of government, and christians should be honest to themselves and others and accept that reality, period.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            truesoy and perhaps Jana… Anyone who reads the Constitution will see there is nothing religious specific in it. There is no mention of Christianity or Jesus in it. The Founders wanted our country to be guided by morals and we know you do not have to believe in God to live a moral life. truesoy, you are so right when you say “secular form of government” because, as the Founders knew, for it to be a religious specific nation of any kind it would render “Freedom Of Religion” worthless and religious liberty would matter only to those of the ruling religion. History shows that so often. We must have “Separation Of Church And State” and with what that has been going on we need that added to the Constitution more than ever.

            We cannot have any religion influencing law making because if we do we will be influencing what may not be observed by other religions. It needs to work both ways equally, Government cannot tell a religion what and how they can be either, baring hurting people.

            We have see that some Christians claim that other Christian faiths are either not Christian enough or they aren’t Christian at all, as if they had God’s permission to say so. We saw this in the last Republican Presidential debates and it can only be imagined how those American Citizens who aren’t Christian at all will be treated. This has to stop in our country for Religious Freedoms and Liberty to survive for all equally, as the Founders wanted.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            Very well stated.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… Thank you… I have a copy of the Constitution on my hard drive and I have read it often enough to know what I mentioned is not in there. I am no expert but I can read but I wonder why so many people misread or reinterpret the Constitution to justify something in their existence, why they see something that isn’t there, as well as miss what is. It surprises me in that too when people reinterpret or redefine scriptures in my bible to justify something there as well. They are the same kinds of people in that regard. Go figure human psychology, LOL…

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            In the many books that I have from my upbringing is a five foot shelf of books-fifty volumes called the Harvard Classics. While this set was published in 1948 and the one volume in this et has the Constitution, the Federalist papers, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights and does not have revisions after 1948, I have read it several times.

            There are several people on this site that read things in the these documents that I have yet to see, but they also read things in the Bible that I have not seen as well. There is obviously something that you and I have missed?

            Maybe voices in our heads?

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… When I see people insisting this is a country of “my religion, how we choose it to be” I wonder if they have a clue of what real Liberty is. I have heard so often people insisting there are things in my bible that aren’t and never were in there until their religion came into being centuries later. What right do they have to say what other people’s religious scripture and traditions really mean? This is the same thing when these same kinds of people insist there are things in the Constitution that aren’t.

            I have an analogy/question/food for thought for those who insist this is a Cristian country contrary to what the Christan Founders wanted. To illustrate, what if the Founders were Jewish? What if the thinking is as it is for those who see things in the Constitution that aren’t there? What if there were misinterpreted things in this US Constitution that were taken to mean it has to be A Jewish way because this is a Jewish country? The Sabbath needs to be on the Seventh day of the week, Saturday to us, as God demanded in Genesis. I could give other examples but I bet you get the cutting point. How would Christians, the minority, then feel? I bet they would feel they have less Liberty than the Jewish people of the country. How about if Jewish leaders here influence American Law in deference to Christian beliefs, how would Christians feel?

            I will briefly bring up a couple of things from history. First the Pilgrims escaped religious persecution and those persecutions were from other kinds of Christians in England. I guess the Pilgrims weren’t Christian enough for the persecutors then as Mormons here today aren’t for some Christians today.

            Second, Puritans in the 16th century, who also fled persecutions of their own before coming to the new world decided that “Old Testament” scripture should heavily influence American Law in New England here. See http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48955806.html for a nicer description of that. The problem was that they took “Old Testament” scripture too literally and the Founders had to make Constitutional law secular because they knew there would be too much one sided influence in law making and perhaps that “Old Testament” scripture was too strict for a free society.

            We know that Roman Catholic Law must have been “too strict” or there wouldn’t have been so many new Christan Protestant religions springing up separating from the Roman Catholic Church. I am thankful for that secular thing the Founders came up with. We just cannot read into the Constitution what will favor our religious beliefs because, as history often strongly shows, those who aren’t of our religion will not be as religiously free as “we” are.

            There are so many reasons, historical and common sense ones, why America CANNOT be of a specific religion or allow any religion to influence law making. Those who claim to be Libertarians, whether of the party by that name of just greatly for Liberty itself, should understand that. “Separation Of Church And State” must totally prevail or we might have Government influencing religion here as it did before. As with many things, the Constitution is here for us to be protected form the Government and, in this case, form other people’s religion, whatever religion we are.

            “Maybe voices in our heads?”. Yeah, could be, LOL…

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… My second example’s paragraph should have ended this way.

            “The problem was that they took “Old Testament” scripture too literally and the Founders had to make Constitutional law secular because they knew there would be too much one sided influence in law making and perhaps that “Old Testament” scripture was too strict for a free society which is made up of people of many different religions and origins”

          • truesoy

            macgyver1948;

            You make a good point. Hopefully Jana reads it and thereby get something from it.
            And really we don’t have to look too far nor too hard to see the abuses and the destruction caused by religion.
            Sadly, christians in our country, because of their mistaken belief about the foundation of our nation, will turn it into the christian version of a muslin country.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            Truesoy … I grew up in NYC, lived in a few different states since growing up, and I have known many Christians who are not in it for the reasons you state but sadly I agree with you when you say about many “Sadly, christians in our country, because of their mistaken belief about the foundation of our nation, will turn it into the christian version of a muslin country”.

            Jihads come in many languages and cultures, we just need to remember the Crusades from history to know that. When I see religious groups trying to claim ownership of America as their kind only I remember history and fear for Liberty and Freedom, I fear for those of us who aren’t them. I am so glad and proud that my religion does not do that here.

      • Jana

        truesoy and macgyver,

        I never said there was anything religious in the Constitution. It is founded in the principals of the Bible however.BUT, you would have to actually read the Bible to find this out.
        Several of our founding fathers were actually men that believed in Biblical principals and therefore this comes across in the Constitution. There is no way that you can have strong beliefs and they will not come through anything you write, say, or do.

        One more point, there are a lot of very good people out in this world who have very good morals and are very good people who do not know the Lord, and who do not read the Bible.
        I have never ever stated differently!

        But for you to make the statements that you are making is idiotic as you are not addressing the facts. The facts are the Biblical principals. Look at the Ten Commandments and you will see how we used to follow most of these, however as we have become a more uhhh “enlightened” society we have negated most of these out of our lives just as now they are trying to take the very name of God our of our vocabulary.

        • truesoy

          Jana,

          …in other words according to you if it has moral values it must by ‘biblical’ inspired, right?.
          Look Jana, I’m not knocking you for being a christian, but what I’m knocking you out for is that you, like most conservative christians, read to much into the bible and pretend to see things that are not there. That is being delusional.
          By the way, I do read the Bible (both old and new testament), and maybe you should too.
          Ps.- I also read The Constitution, and maybe you should too.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… I didn’t mean to imply that you were in disagreement. I know most, if not all, of the Founders were Christians and they were very influenced by their bibles. The 10 Commandants is from Torah and they probably knew that too. A lot of our laws are biblically influenced and I am not implying they aren’t. I am saying the laws cannot be influenced by any specific religion, there is a huge difference and I stated my historical reasons for that. The Founders deliberately left out the words Christian for libertarian and Freedom reasons from the Constitution or if they placed those religious specific wordings in the Constitution we would not have Liberty or Freedom for all in the religious sense.

          I am not telling you how to believe, I would never do that. But I am just saying do not tell others how they should. The Founders didn’t do it so too we shouldn’t. By suggesting America is a Christian country is doing just that, limiting religious liberty and freedom for the many Americans who aren’t Christian.

      • Jana

        Bob666,
        This right here is why people including me, have a problem believing you know what it means to be a Christian. You always side with anyone who comes against Biblical principals, Gods Word in any way, or standing up for the Lord.

        You say you have the Federalist Papers and have read them, but yet the most important of books, the Bible or the Torah you haven’t read or studied them. If you really had, you wouldn’t talk the way you do or appear to stand against God every time.

        • Bob666

          Yo Jana,
          “This right here is why people including me, have a problem believing you know what it means to be a Christian. You always side with anyone who comes against Biblical principals, Gods Word in any way, or standing up for the Lord.

          You say you have the Federalist Papers and have read them, but yet the most important of books, the Bible or the Torah you haven’t read or studied them. If you really had, you wouldn’t talk the way you do or appear to stand against God every time.”

          Respectfully-No, I do not agree with you.

          “If you really had, you wouldn’t talk the way you do or appear to stand against God every time” I DO NOT stand against God-I do take great exception with hate filled people like Sammy and Alondra who talk the tak, but do NOT walk the talk and claim to know who does and does not have a pass to heven.

          “the Bible or the Torah you haven’t read or studied them” While I do not read the Koran, Bible or Torah every day, week or month. I have spent a chunk of my life reading all three.

          “You always side with anyone who comes against Biblical principals, Gods Word in any way, or standing up for the Lord.” One of the potential benifits of a forum like this is the spirit of debate and I try to challenge people to think about their positions. God knows where I stand and that relationship is sound. Living your life is not about quoting scripture, it is about showing love and sharing, -What would Jesus do?

          You have always shown me respect and I have always tried to do the same.

          On a last note, I was in err regarding a post to you a few days ago regarding a post from another person, Maynard I Believe, and I thought you were refering to another post all together and on that one-I was wrong.

      • Jana

        macgyver,

        to answer your question, Jesus became our Sabbath.
        This is why we study our Bible to know these things.

        • vietnamvet1971

          You are correct about Jesus being our Sabbath / REST we are to Strive to enter his Finished Work on the Cross / REST

        • macgyver1948

          Janna… Let’s be real. Jesus became the “Sabbath”, as you say, to those who choose to be Christian and follow him, not for anyone else. For example, as a Jew I cannot accept Jesus for anything according to my Hebrew Bible and our Hebrew teachings. Jesus as the entity you believe is no where mentioned in the Hebrew Bible but our bible talks about that kind of entity and how God forbids us to. It is a matter of “to each his own faith”, as we each choose to believe, for each of us.

      • Jana

        truesoy,
        No!
        Evidently you didn’t read my entire post so I will repost some of it here for you ————–
        One more point, there are a lot of very good people out in this world who have very good morals and are very good people who do not know the Lord, and who do not read the Bible.
        I have never ever stated differently! ——————–

      • Jana

        macgyver,
        You stated——— I am saying the laws cannot be influenced by any specific religion, there is a huge difference and I stated my historical reasons for that. The Founders deliberately left out the words Christian for libertarian and Freedom reasons from the Constitution or if they placed those religious specific wordings in the Constitution we would not have Liberty or Freedom for all in the religious sense.————
        Answer: I have no qualms with what you say. In fact I agree with you.
        You state—————-
        I am not telling you how to believe, I would never do that. But I am just saying do not tell others how they should. The Founders didn’t do it so too we shouldn’t. By suggesting America is a Christian country is doing just that, limiting religious liberty and freedom for the many Americans who aren’t Christian.—————–
        Answer,
        That is not my job to say that America is a Christian country. I have always thought it was founded in Biblical principals, and that many of our founding fathers were Christians.

        You stated———Janna… Let’s be real. Jesus became the “Sabbath”, as you say, to those who choose to be Christian and follow him, not for anyone else. For example, as a Jew I cannot accept Jesus for anything according to my Hebrew Bible and our Hebrew teachings. Jesus as the entity you believe is no where mentioned in the Hebrew Bible but our bible talks about that kind of entity and how God forbids us to. It is a matter of “to each his own faith”, as we each choose to believe, for each of us.———

        Answer: Pardon me, I was not aware that you were a Jew, or I would not have answered that way. I would have stated that to Christians Jesus is our Sabbath.

        We have traced my ancestral heritage back to my great great grandfather and his brother were named Israel Salomens and Levi Salomens.

        I observe Passover as this is a Commandment that has not been abolished. I do not insist anyone follow my beliefs, but if they say they do but don’t, then I will say something as the Lord leads, but other wise, each person has to live their own life the way they see fit to live it.

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… To be honest I thought you were thinking in those terms (“Pardon me, I was not aware that you were a Jew, or I would not have answered that way. I would have stated that to Christians Jesus is our Sabbath) but I wasn’t sure. I do not expect people to automatically know I am Jewish. I do get called an heathen atheist at times, by what I can only assume is by narrow or very closed minded people, for some how what I say and how I word it but I can take it. Thank you for not. Some people just assume only their ways are the right ways according to how God wants it so when I say something that contradicts what they believe they jump to the dark side. I am used to it.

          I am the same as you in that no one has to agree with me or follow as I believe. I also understand and except that you feel Jesus is your Sabbath, not that you need me to.

          You end by saying you observe Passover. Jesus did according to the Christian Bibles. I have read 2 Christan bibles cover to cover, the Catholic and the King James Version, and there are many things that do not make sense to me. For one example, the Last Supper was in fact a Passover Ceder and to my understanding Jesus presided over it because it was very important to him per Hebrew tradition and teachings. What I do not get is why is that is ignored by so many of those who follow him? Why is much of what he practiced, taught and observed are no followed by those who follow him. This is just one thing I do not understand but there are may other things I see as contradictions between your bibles and mine. Oh well, maybe it is not for me to understand.

          By the way, as far as why many Christians do not follow what Jesus practiced and taught, as a Rabbi, while he was alive is because of Paul and his gospels. I have a fair understanding of them at best and maybe we shouldn’t go there because we Jews cannot accept anything of what Paul said, especially what he says about his vision and conversation on the Road to Damascus. There was way too much denial, well, elimination of Judaism in those gospels, for Jews, including Jesus’ brothers, Peter and James, to accept those gospels as anything but insults and if we did believe Paul we would most importantly be saying no to God. To us Torah was never replaced or altered or “fulfilled”.

      • Jana

        Or, unless someone brings it up to me, or says something that is just so wrong that I can’t stand it, which is no different than anyone else on this board.

    • http://twitter.com/Bellearitz K Bright (@Bellearitz)

      “Politicians go through the motions of making “laws” but there not laws. Law in America has to pass the Consitution muster to be law.”

      That is the one thing that most people do not seem to understand. Just because Obama, or congress, or the supreme court says it is “law” – does not mean that it is lawful. The ONLY laws that are lawful in the USA are those that are in * “pursuance thereof” the US Constitution. The federal government is ONLY supreme in its US Constitution assigned duties, and then ONLY when they are in * “pursuance thereof” the US Constitution. Everything else is just usrpation – and NOT lawful.

      *(the act of pursuing; especially : a carrying out or into effect)

      What does that mean? It means that the Patriot Act is not now, nor has it ever been lawful here in the USA. That Bush then was usurping powers and faking legitimacy as Obama is now (as did Clinton and Bush 2). That the NDAA is not lawful. That any warrantless searches, spying, tracking, etc are NOT lawful here in the USA. That the TSA is NOT a lawful agency, and it is also doubtful that the DHS is lawful.

      It means that many LEO’s have been made criminals for acts committed against their own people, assisting in the destruction of our nation – SOME willingly and knowingly, but others through ignorance. That many innocent, and some not-so-innocent people must be released from imprisonment. That many LEO’s and Military will one day face arrest and prosecution exactly like those who were involved in Nazi Germany – will run for the rest of their lives as we search for them until their deaths are proven or they finally face arrest and prosecution. Then they will learn (as they should have already known) that “just doing my job” and “just following orders” are NOT a defense.

      No LEO or Military can say that there are too many laws to know what is lawful, or anyone else for that matter. The only thing they need to know is the Bill of Rights, and what duties was assigned to what branch of the federal governmnet. If it does not meet that criteria, it is not lawful here in the USA.

      18 USC § 241 – Conspiracy against rights: If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
      If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
      They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

      U.S. Supreme Court CAHA v. U.S., 152 U.S. 211: “Generally speaking, within any state of this Union the preservation of the peace and the protection of person and property are the functions of the state government, and are NO PART of the primary duty, at least, of the nation. The laws of congress in respect to those matters DO NOT extend into the territorial limits of the states, but have force ONLY in the District of Columbia, and other places that are within the exclusive jurisdiction of the national government.”

      Rost v. Municipal Court of Southern Judicial District of San Mateo (1960): “The Legislature, either by amending or otherwise, may not nullify a constitutional provision”

      Eisner v. Macomber, 252 U.S. 189 (1920): “Congress … cannot by legislation alter the Constitution, from which alone it derives its power to legislate, and within whose limitations alone that power can be lawfully exercised.”
      They can pass all the legislation they like BUT it is only lawful in D.C. and other properties owned by or ceded to the federal government!

      Fina Supply, Inc. v. Abilene Nat. Bank, 726 S.W.2d 537, 1987 it says “Party having superior knowledge who takes advantage of another’s ignorance of the law to deceive him by studied concealment or misrepresentation can be held responsible for that conduct.”

      Rubinstein v. Collins, 20 F.3d 160, 1990 “Knowing failure to disclose material information necessary to prevent statement from being misleading, or making representation despite knowledge that it has no reasonable basis in fact, are actionable as fraud under law.”

      Brookfield Construction Company V. Stewart 284 F Sup. 94: “An officer who acts in violation of the constitution ceases to represent the government.”

      “All the people are dead wrong because both groups interpret the constitution and their laws as they see fit.”
      Not one branch has been given the power to “interpret” the US Constitution, though the judicial branch was given the power to make sure that ALL laws, bills, treaties, etc are in “pursuance thereof” the US Constitution. The rest is just usurpation.

      I think a lot of people are unaware of exactly what is our government, it is a constitutional republic. The breakdown is:

      Three Branches of the American Government: We the People, The States, The Federal Government. It is further broken down into:

      Each state; Executive, Legislative, Judicial

      The Federal Government; Executive, Legislative, Judicial

      • nc

        K Bright, if you are CHARGED with being one of the “Two or more people who conspire to do injure” (YOUR CITE) to our country, do you want to be tried under the way prescribed by the Constitution? In the Federal Courts all the way to the US Supreme court if necessary or just be pointed out as being GUILTY by some nut job on a political web site who thinks he knows the “LAW”??? UNDER THE CONSTTUTION IT IS THE COURTS WHO DETERMINE THE LAW, NOT THE PRIVATE CITIZENS, REGARDLESS OF THE THEIR NUMBER UNLESS THEY USE THE SYSTEM LAID OUT IN THE CONSITUTION to uphold or change the law!
        Have you ever been in a law library and seen the volumns and volumns of cases decided by the federal courts including the US Supreme Court where one or more sides in the cases were told BY THE COURT that THEIR interpretations of the Constitution were incorrect?????
        Therefore the TRUE MEANING of the Constitution is not always so easy to determine or BE EXACTLY WHAT WE BELIVE IT TO BE OR WANT IT TO BE!
        It may not be the be the only system in the world but it is way the Hell in front of what ever is in second place!

  • Theresa

    Excellent!

    • http://yahoo.com Maynard

      You need to revisit Eisenhower’s message. He was not warning against scientists at all. He was warning agains the “military-industrial complex.” His message was that the business community had become oriented toward an emphasis on military pursuits. This happened because of the needs of WW II and the subsequent Cold War. This emphasis resulted in our economy being dependent on military preparedness at the expense of other priorities. We used the threat of Communism to drive this engine.
      When JFK pulled back from unreasoning bellicosity and put forth his theory of coexistence, it was anathema to the die-hard Cold War Warriors. They proposed Operation Northwoods, which would have had us perpetrate atrocities on US citizens in Miami and Washington, D.C. and down an aircraft claiming it was filled with college students to blame it on Cuba as an excuse to invade. JFK shot the project down. He was soon assassinated and his goal of bringing our personnel home from Vietnam by the end of 1963 was countermanded. (The Freedom of Information Act revealed the document he had signed in the ’90′s ordering our personnel home.)
      Vietnam was presented as a threat using a false flag, the Gulf of Tonkin Lie, in which the American People were told the N. Vietnamese had attacked our ships in the Gulf of Tonkin. We now know this was untrue. The real function of the war was not to stop communism but to feed the war machine. The Domino Effect sounded valid in theory but the years since have shown the Vietnamese and other South East Asian countries could not or did not wish to unite.
      When the communist threat was no longer creditable after the fall of the former Soviet Union, a replacement was needed. The US public were tired of the huge debts we had accrued from our heavy emhasis on the military and wars. That is why the FBI gave Muslim extremists real explosives to use in the World Trade Center in 1993 killing six and frightening the public. We know this because Amed Salem was our plant with the extremists and he recorded both sides and made the information public. No FBI were publicly punished for having them use the real explosives. But the Muslim threat was a good replacement for the communist threat and had the added bonus that some of the target countries had huge oil deposits. Advancing this agenda resulted in the Gulf War against Saddam Hussein who had been elevated to leadership through support from our own government’s operatives when we felt he was useful because he was not a religious fanatic and was willing to oppose Iran after they got rid of our puppet, the Shah. We again used a false story we now call the Incubator Babies Lie claiming the Iraqis were throwing premature babies on the floor in order to steal the incubators. It was never brought out to the American public that the Kuwaitis were using special drills that could go down and then over into Iraq to extract oil from inside Iraq. The countries in that area had had borders set up for them by the British and they left a lot of disputes unresolved.
      By the end of the 20th century, certain political scientists were seeing the need for military expansion. Because of the theory of Peak Oil, which was the realization that oil supplies would become scarcer, they looked to use our military superiority to expand our control of oil deposits. They realized that the American public would not go for this “absent some catylyzing and catastrophic event like a new Pearl Harbor.” Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and many dual US Israeli citizens signed a paper using these words. They called it the Plan for a New American Century (PNAC). It was this philosophy that led to the biggest false flag operation in history, 9/11. It worked like a charm but our economy was strained to its breaking point and the world economy is in a very precarious position as well.
      It is the scientific community that could prove our saviors, despite the fact that their efforts have so long been dedicated to evil purposes like weapons of destruction.
      They can get us away from filthy fossil fuels. The threat of global warming is real – the last three decades have each been the warmest on record and each succeeding generation has been warmer than the last. The polar ice caps have been shrinking, tropical storms appear to be more numerous and more severe, and some low lying Pacific Islands are being threatened by the ocean’s rise. In fact, there are islands in the Chesepeake Bay that are now inundated. The worst thing about fossil fuels, however, is beyond their green house effects, they are filthy. Scientists have developed a new way of getting hydrogen gas which burns clean and is in every drop of water. It is called artificial photosynthesis and uses clean free sunlight much as plants do. The filthy fossil fuel industry is very powerful and will resist hydrogen. It is safer than gas because of its light weight. In an accident it will fly high above the victims, unlike a gasoline fire.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    I agree, Senator Rand Paul is our best hope for the future of this country, now that his father, Ron Paul, has retired.

    Despite President Eisenhower’s warning in 1961, the scientific community has quietly led this once great country into servitude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOLld5PR4ts

    For additional information, see http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2204 and
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2339

    With deep regrets,
    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NSASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

    • Michael J.

      omanuel,
      The scientific community cooked their own goose by becoming reliant on government grants to supply their bread and butter. Subsequently selling their soul to the Devil (Rothschild), over the Global Warming Hoax, they have lost all credibility with everyone except other drones on the dole. No one ever sucessfully outlives a bad reputation.

  • truesoy

    Chip…,

    There is nothing ‘libertarian’ about ‘conservative’ values. They are far apart, and if you believe otherwise, then, you are delusional.
    When ‘libertarians’ speak of cutting expenditure, they mean cutting expenditure. On the other hand, when conservatives talk about cutting expenditure, they actually mean shifting spending to programs that are dear to them. And when ‘libertarians’ say ‘live and let live’, and when the ‘conservatives’ agree, but only if in accordance with ‘conservative’ values; whatever that might be. So much for that libertarian ‘value’.
    It is therefore evident that the ‘conservative’s definition of freedom has a lot of conditions attached to it. But not so for libertarians.
    Although it was an heroic act on your part to try and dilute the true face of conservatism by sprinkling a little libertarian on it, its not going to work.
    Conservatism is too much like communism in many ways, and although they run parallel to each other, they still run in the same direction.

    Sincerely,
    Truesoy

    • Jana

      truesoy,
      You are getting Conservatives mixed with Republicans. Two different groups there.

      • truesoy

        Jana;

        No, I am not confusing conservatives with republicans; each is one side of the same coin. They are both interchangeable.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • Jana

        Like Liberals Socialists and Communists. they are certainly interchangeable.

        • truesoy

          Jana,

          Again you make the same mistake all conservatives make, although they should know better, and some do but it does not serve their agenda to say otherwise.
          Socialism is not a political system, it is an economic system. Communism is a political system.
          Example of socialist countries, France, Israel, Germany, etc.
          Libertarian has its roots in the liberal thinking of the times of John Locke, although maybe not true liberal by today’s standard. However, many of those ideas were very liberal by the standards of the time (different societies, and different needs).

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

        • macgyver1948

          Ah Jana… you say “Like Liberals Socialists and Communists. they are certainly interchangeable”. Lumping them all together like this is not realistic. It is like saying your conservatives are certainly interchangeable with Nazis. It is so easy to make that connection especially when one’s side is what guides us and we do not check it out for ourselves. I am more Liberal than I would be Conservative and I have known so many Liberals over the years and none were “Socialists and Communists” but all loved Freedom and Liberty equally for all. Most Liberals voted again for Obama because they saw he was more for them than the Right is with their total allegiance and loyalty to the big Corporations. That is why Obama won again, from what we see both sides doing and not just saying.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            well put. Part of the problem on this site is; everyone trys to lump people together on both sides in a one size fits all group and you just can’t do that and be accurate.

            Are you tire yet? Jana can wear you down, but that being said, I believe her to be well intentioned.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… I see Jana as well intentioned and I also believe she is sincere about her feelings. She can be interesting and I don’t expect her to agree with me so its all good as long as she, well we both, keeps it on an adult level.

            You are so right, people who generalize do lump others all together and they have no clue about any of them as individual. I am not sure if it is because it is just so much easier for them to lump all those who will not agree with them together or it is because they are told to by their chosen side. It really doesn’t matter since, if they do it fro either reason, those that do, what they say is meaningless and without merit.

      • Jana

        truesoy,

        Description of socialism – American Heritage® Dictionary:

        Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
        The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.—————-

        Socialism – Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster …

        Definition of SOCIALISM
        1
        : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
        2
        a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
        b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state ——————

        Our country has fought too many wars against Socialism and Communism to fall for that nonsense now in our Country.

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… These definitions of Socialism is in their extremes. Socialism in it purest definition is a system of distribution of goods and services with generalized government guidelines and control. We have had that here since our country’s beginnings. If we do not have some laws and guidelines by government there would be so much more corruption and pollution by our corporations and we would be so much more cheated and denied by them. I think our government over does it with some regulations but we do need control.

          We need to make the regulations more realistic and fair for all concerned but the TPGOP wants regulations lifted all together for the corporations. Try living with a job where the salaries have no minimum wage, as they would love, and see how hard their apathy for that/us will carry you through. Try living with no regulations and, for example, you might see what unfairness in daily living is really all about. The extremes are not workable but the Far Right is working toward a total Plutocracy and that will resemble so much Fascists/Nazis or Communism for the rest of us who are not of them for it to make any difference to us, we will just be tools and equipment for them in their inventory.

          The Fascists/Nazis, the very far Right, and the Communists, the very far Left, take their Socialisms to the extremes and hopefully neither will prevail here, nor will Plutocracy.

          How is this for a liberal view? I hope you are correct when you say “Our country has fought too many wars against Socialism and Communism to fall for that nonsense now in our Country”. Please include Fascists/Nazis and Plutocracy in your statement because they can all be the same to our American downfall.

        • truesoy

          Jana.,

          This that you described as socialism is the most general and extreme of terms for it. however there are others more liberal definitions of it.
          Government regulations for the private sector in order to better serve the good of society is NOT taking over the means of production.
          When our government builds roads and highways to improve our transportation system, and to benefits both, individuals and the private market (government – tax payers $ – to build our interstate highway contribute to the creation of millions of business, but don’t take my word for it, and next time you get in any of those highways look to each side for all those businesses to either side, and also notice those big trucks passing you that wouldn’t have been there without that ‘socialist’ investment). and it certainly does not mean the government is taking over the means of production, to the contrary.
          When our government invest in medical research and development it serves the greater good of society. Or didn’t you know how some of the life saving medicine and other medical advancements were made possible? I think you don’t know that, do you?
          Or how about our space program? this was / is a government venture for no private enterprise have the money nor the desire to take up such a task, And why would they when even if they had the money it would have been a shaky investment with no promise to their stock holders of any return for the investment,at least not in this life. So, what the government does is to set a pathway by which eventually private enterprise moves in.
          Another example of government involvement in the private sector for the benefit of society was the financing and construction of the railroad to connect the East and West coasts. Now do you think private enterprise would have done it? Heck no. Imagine how it would have been a Mitt Romney in the mid 1860′s; lets try it., Mr. Romney would say: Mr. President why would somebody in the right mind would do something like that, building thousands of miles of rails through desert and nowhere land? this is the biggest waste of taxpayers money. The President is a socialist, he’ll continue, and the bill to build the railroad is voted against.
          Well, we all should be glad there was no Mitt back then, or we would be living in a total different country. Ps.- most banana republics have that same mentality that if it not serve an immediate need and/or if it does make a profit for the few that owns everything, then is not worthy of doing.
          Like I told you before, not all that is socialist is socialism for control and/or ownership of the private means of production by government as in communism, and that is why a mentioned France, Israel and germany which are not communist and neither the government neither owns nor controls the means of production, as an example.
          For additional definition on socialism go to The Free Dictionary.
          And remember that there is a purpose and role for government other than wars.
          Ps.- and if you know the bible and are as religious as much as you imply, then you should have noticed the at times Jesus sounded more socialist than the people you call socialists.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Jana

        truesoy,
        Ps.- and if you know the bible and are as religious as much as you imply, then you should have noticed the at times Jesus sounded more socialist than the people you call socialists.——————————

        You have to prove this one!

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… This could be a matter of personal definition. Jesus was for socializing and helping the poor so much more so than he was into helping the wealthy and the big companies… Does that sound familiar?

        • truesoy

          Jana.,

          The prove you seek is found in the life and teaching’s of Jesus.
          Read the Bible.
          Of course not all teahings of the Bible are love and sharing, specially from the Old Testament, and that regardless of what the new one says, it was still about the same God..
          Most of it was of a violance nature, and where all ‘divine’ problems came with human solutions. This was usually done by raising an army and waging war for a ‘land grab’ including orders from the Lord to kill all the men, and all the women, and all the children, and all the infants, and all the animals too. Interesting, won’t you say?.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Jana

        macgyver,
        We are all for helping the poor, or at least we should be, but that does not make us Socialists.
        truesoy said that Jesus sounded like a Socialist and I want him to prove what he was talking about. Talk as you know is cheap and proving something you think is there is sometimes hard to do, but I am always up for learning. So if its there I would like to learn about it.
        I am not talking about the type of liberal socialism either that truesoy was selling earlier in what our taxes pay for. If that indeed is a type of socialism I don’t like that either, but that is bad enough. Our Government is becoming more and more Socialized in redistributing the wealth, which bothers me a great deal, but to tell me that Jesus sounded like a Socialist ok, I want proof so I can learn, or if the case be I can refute.

        Is that not fair?

        • macgyver1948

          Jana,,, I figured what you were asking truesoy and I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I can’t prove what Jesus was in any way, or wasn’t – I just go by what your bibles say of him, but I know he was working more for the poor than the wealthy. The wealthy do not need the help that the poor and middle class do but the wealthy and the big corporations always want bigger tax breaks and other gifts from the politicians and they can afford to get them where the middle class and the poor cannot.

          It is fair what you ask.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,Kana & Truesoy,
            Most every story that I recall about Jesus was feeding the hungry and healing the sick. I don’t recall helping the wealthy and the romans (the government) tended to his greatest problem. Jesus was about love and inclusion of everyone.

            Sadly, that doe not seem to be what I experience today with many Christians.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… You are right. Jesus did work pretty exclusively for the poor but accepted everyone. Many of the wealthy, and the Government/Romans of course, could have been considered why the people needed help.

            Also, you seem to share a feeling with Gandhi. I bet Jesus and Gandhi would have been friends if they knew each other. I also think that about Jesus and Buddha but what do I know? There are the so many years between the 3 of them so who would know, LOL.

            “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians­. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” – Mohandas K. Gandhi

      • Jana

        Bob666,
        You are right. Sadly. Jesus was not about helping monetarily, his was a spiritual help, which did encompass everyone rich, poor and middle class alike.
        When he went in to the Temple to read the scriptures, it was the Old Testament or Torah that he read by the way.
        I am going to get a Torah. I have a lot of books that I call my tools in my library but not a Torah and I am missing a very important tool. I do have the Interlinear Hebrew-Aramaic Old Testament. It contains all of the Hebrew and Aramaic words which have been preserved by the Masoretes known as the Masoretic Text. I love it. (But I still can’t speak Hebrew :)

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… If you could afford the scroll version of Torah that synagogues use it would be great but they are so expensive. I have a good book version I got from Barns and Noble, as well a bible study of it. But for the most part a Hebrew Bible, considering the first five books is Torah, would be fine for reading. Many Christians refer to Torah as the 5 Books Of Moses. But you may already know this

          Shalom…

      • Jana

        Bob666 and Macgyver,
        Sorry if I seem pushy at times. I guess that comes from being a mama and a wife. You know us wives we don’t think you men can get along without us. I will try to do better, but its hard. :)

        • Bob666

          Jana,
          My family would tell you that I was born to disagree. But that being said, you have always treated me with respect and I have tried to reciprocate in kind. I am not against Christians at all, but I do have a problem with those who claim to be and demonstrate un-Christian behavior.

          While I have never been a fan of the Catholic Church, I am excited about the new pope as he demonstrates much of what I have been taught that a Christian should be and emulates a life of what I was taught that Christ lived. Mac makes some very good and valid points as a Jew and having grown up among Jewish kids, I was always impressed with their required study. Living amount many as neighbors, Jews show a greater consistency to faith than most Christians that I know and the thing I like most about them is they respect my beliefs even if they do not agree with my faith.

          I don’t feel a need to wear my faith on my sleeve and that is probably in part to a conservative Presbyterian upbringing. While I do not buy into all of the written words of the bible, I respect those who do, but have very little tolerance with those who push their beliefs on others or try to judge others by their standards.

          I firmly believe that our founding fathers wrote the first amendment the way they did for a very good reason and I will always carry a respectful debate with anyone, But I havenot and never will back down to a bully. Feel free to disagree where you want-I appreciate a good debate.

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… I have had one mama and three wives so I know what you mean. To keep this interesting just be whoever you are.

      • Jana

        Bob666,
        You stated:
        I don’t feel a need to wear my faith on my sleeve and that is probably in part to a conservative Presbyterian upbringing. While I do not buy into all of the written words of the bible, I respect those who do, but have very little tolerance with those who push their beliefs on others or try to judge others by their standards.—————

        Actually, I don’t even like getting into debates over the Bible or religion etc., but when someone puts something out there that I know is wrong, then I step in, or, someone brings it up to me. I do not wear a tee shirt that states Christian on it. If someone can’t see that i am a Christian by my actions, then I am failing. I have very little tolerance for those who push their beliefs on others or is bullying me or someone else either. One thing I am reminded of is Jesus did not come to judge or condemn and he didn’t send anyone in His place to do it either, especially me. We do have discernment that we are to use and I have seen all of us use that.

        I am also excited about the new Pope. I am not Catholic either, but I do believe God cares about who it is that will be the leader of such a large religious order. I have been praying for him.

        I am glad to be able to discuss things with you and macgyver. Even though we don’t agree on the majority of issues, we can be civil to each other and even may learn a thing or two from each other.

      • Jana

        truesoy,
        I asked for proof. What you gave is your opinion. If you can’t give proof then say so. Put up or shut up as the saying goes.

      • Jana

        macgyver,
        Jana… If you could afford the scroll version of Torah that synagogues use it would be great but they are so expensive. I have a good book version I got from Barns and Noble, as well a bible study of it. But for the most part a Hebrew Bible, considering the first five books is Torah, would be fine for reading. Many Christians refer to Torah as the 5 Books Of Moses. But you may already know this————————-

        Actually no, I didn’t so thank you. Then that means with the Hebrew manuscripts that I have, then I have it. I love the Old Testament esp the first 5 books, but actually all of it. I do love history.

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… History can be great stuff… We hope what we read of it is as close to the truth as possible, or is it what the writer of it wants future generations to believe, but we really don’t know that. But it is very interesting..

          My dad told me several times I analyze things too deeply, too much, but I have always wondered about things, the whys, who as well as the whats. For example I have wondered why Torah is called The Five Books Of Moses by some. Moses did present it to the world and all but we Jews believe God wrote it and taught it first here to Moses and told him to share it, pass it on to all who would want God’s Laws. So I guess Moses was the first rabbi (the main function of a rabbi is to teach and explain Torah but he has other functions as well. The word rabbi translates to “teacher”).

          I wondered why it was referred to as the “The Five Books Of Moses” as I would wonder who should take ownership of a letter dictated by a manager to a secretary. Who owns that letter, the taker or the author? Silly, huh? My dad might think so, LOL.

      • Jana

        truesoy,
        One more point. I have never claimed to be religious. I am a Bible believing Christian. That is all. No organized religion here.

      • Jana

        macgyver,
        No, I don’t think its silly at all. My husband analyzes and re-analyzes things Biblical, political, and mechanical. So I am used to that. I have found you are the type of people that figure out the questions to ask and sometimes even come up with the right answers. :)

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… Thanks for saying what you think my type is… I can only hope they are the right answers but I do not always know. I do come up with questions though and that leads me to the hunt which might be why I love history and science so much. I am still not sure politics is not much more than a tool for the very wealthy and powerful and BS is their main game but I still question a lot there too.

        • macgyver1948

          @ Jana, Bob666, truesoy, Jeff and, well I just wanted to share this letter/article with all concerned Americans,
          888
          I cringe every time I read or hear someone say “we should forget about history, it’s in the past so leave it there”. Something like that. We will never learn or improve if we forget, or not learn from the lessons of the past, but I figure those who say forget history are only doing so to get us to forget the mistakes of their side as well as to put down the opposition whether warranted or not. I won’t go into the still fiscal causing damages by the Bush Jr Administration on many fronts now even though we are are still living them as they continue to grow but the below letter is important.

          History shows many presidential policies did not go into effect until during the next administration’s term but at least many policy’s effects continue into the next administration. As a veteran myself I almost cried while reading the below article and the letter written by an Iraq War Vet, soon to die from his wounds, which inspired the article. As an American I am embarrassed, a the very least, by the Bush Jr Administration for many reasons. Please do not make the mistake this vet is in a league by himself with his concerns and opinions because you would be so far wrong, as you would be for telling people to forget the past.

          I just felt this letter is way too important to not pass along.
          Steve, known here as Macgyver1948
          888

          Iraq War vet pens ‘last letter’ to Bush and Cheney
          Article at http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/iraq-war-vet-letter-bush-cheney-tomas-young-154541674.html

          An Iraq War veteran who joined the U.S. Army two days after 9/11 has written a powerful open letter to former President George W. Bush and ex-Vice President Dick Cheney accusing them of war crimes, “plunder” and “the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.”
          Tomas Young, who was shot and paralyzed during an insurgent attack in Sadr City in 2004, five days into his first deployment, penned the letter from his Kansas City, Mo., home, where he’s under hospice care.

          “I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney,” Young wrote in the letter published on Truthdig.com. “I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.”

          The 33-year-old, who was the subject of Phil Donahue’s 2007 documentary “Body of War,” continued:
          I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues.
          Young believes he was injured fighting the wrong war:

          I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love. I would not have to lie in my bed, my body filled with painkillers, my life ebbing away, and deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands of human beings, including children, including myself, were sacrificed by you for little more than the greed of oil companies, for your alliance with the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia, and your insane visions of empire.

          “When Tomas Young saw President Bush on television speaking from the ruins of the Twin Towers, his life changed,” his bio on the “Body of War” website reads. “As his basic training began at Ft. Hood, he assumed that he would be shipped off to Afghanistan where the terrorist camps were based, routing out Al Qaeda and Taliban warriors. But soon, Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq.”

          In an interview with Truthdig.com, Young—who suffered an anoxic brain injury in 2008—said he had been contemplating “conventional” suicide, but decided to go on hospice care, “stop feeding and fade away.”

          “This way, instead of committing the conventional suicide and I am out of the picture, people have a way to stop by or call and say their goodbyes,” Young said. “I felt this was a fairer way to treat people than to just go out with a note.”.

  • Uknowho

    It was nice to see a “proper” use of the filibuster after years of misue by the GOP in the Senate.

    But the reality is that this as much as show as much to get confirmation everyone but conservatives already knew… No drones will be used to attack Americans on our soil by the Obama Administration.

    I guess after having an embarrassing 2012 election showing in the middle of a recession, conservatives need something to feel good about since their numbers that keep the GOP in positions of power are shrinking.

    • tony newbill

      UKNOWHO the Old guard of the RINO Repubs have bought into the idea of globalism and bring all freedoms under control of a central Government to save the earth from Overpopulation thats why they have done nothing to stop this trend , “Science Summit” on World Population:
      A Joint Statement by 58 of the World’s Scientific Academies

      http://dieoff.org/page75.htm

      • Uknowho

        Tony,

        I do not see what you are seeing from that link. I do see and agree with the idea that overpopulation is a serious issue and humanity needs to control our own growth since we have no predators that hunt us.

        We as the human race can either control population through contraception and beling logical about things, or nature can do it for us through war, disease and starvation.

        Its our choice.

        • tony newbill

          UNKOWHO UHO take those blinders off . Its because of your Ideology of supporting something or someone thats keeping you from seeing the trees man !!!! Heres the link that was at the bottom about the USA needing a Immigration policy thats Enforced to curb overpopulation of illegal immigrants that are dodging the process of immigrating into the USA . http://dieoff.org/page54.htm

      • Michael J.

        You Know Who,
        The next filibuster should be aimed at aquiring a legitimate birth certificate… now that we’re on a roll… while he’s on the defensive, his feet should be held to the fire. Wouldn’t you agree AKA Dave67???

      • Uknowho

        Tony,

        So now we are moving to illegal immigration? Why don’t you tell the GOP front group, the US Chamber of Commerce to push for not hiring illegals? Because the jobs the illegals are doing are jobs Americans do not want to do. Are you going to pick vegtables in Yuma AZ? Are you going to landscape personal property? Does working washing dishes appeal to you?

        I am all for curtailing illegal immigration, you just need to prepare yourself for much higher food and services prices as a result.

        Michael J,

        Stil clinging to the BC nonsense? Sheriff Joe Arpio had is waste of tax payer money investigation debunked in the latest round of racist inspired forged BC investigation to delegitimize Obama. Obama is a citizen of the United States. The right wingers will just have to deal with it.

        Unfortunately the children in the GOP and on the right need to understand you do not filibuster just because you don’t get your way everytime.

        • macgyver1948

          Uknowho … But the TPGOP filibuster is there to make the Left cave, fall asleep, give in and anything else they can do so the Left accomplishes nothing for us. Even if the GOP fails for us the TPGOP wants Obama to fail no matter what. That is the purpose of the TPGOP filibuster, just one of their tools to make him fail at all cost to us.

  • http://Yahoo Robert Hall

    Rand Paul awaken a sleeping Giant in America. This love of our Constitution is very mush alive, and many people who love God and country understand that this Administration is attacking the very freedom that we fight for to keep for our children and their children to come. God Bless You Rand Paul and God Bless America.

    • tony newbill

      Robert Hall they are usurping the rights of free people because that Individual inalienable rights given to us by God is standing in the way of their Ideology of bring Control to a world they think is in collapse because of OVERPOPULATION . This is why God is denigrated too because to create a New philosophy around the Idea of ZERO growth and allowing Big Government to control all forms of Freedom to prosper has to be abolished and the belief of God Commandments stands in the way of their achieving this goal !!!

      “Science Summit” on World Population:
      A Joint Statement by 58 of the World’s Scientific Academies

      http://dieoff.org/page75.htm

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        You are HERE….god’s kingdom is NOT HERE!

        “This is not the “place” you are looking for….”

        Move along……move along….

      • Texas Ride

        Tony, you are talking about “overpopulation?” There can’t be overpopulation when our government pays derelicts to reproduce! And, the more they breed, the more money the government takes from taxpayers to support them. Afterall, these women can’t make near the money at a real job! Popping out a dozen or so kids brings in a six-figure income and new cars.

        I am sure government has their reasons for breeding these derelicts and then start running them through government indoctrination centers as soon as they can walk. Maybe they can be taught to chant some tribal, “obama songs.” But, that will be about the extent of the education they get. Government sure isn’t planning on them learning how to read or write.
        They will be nothing more than programmed ” human-drones.”

      • Texas Ride

        I read your link, Tony. Yes, the globalist want to take control of the world and their EXCUSE will be the protection of the environment and problem of overpopulation. But, the United States and other European countries don’t have overpopulation problems.

        What the “world wants” is to have the wealth of successful nations REDISTRIBUTED so that everyone can live off of other people’s money! Lazy countries are envious of the wealth that is generated by countries with intelligent and hard working citizens. This is nothing less than “welfare for the gimmes” only on a worldwide level.

        These “international gimmes” feel the need to punish those nations that are the greatest providers of food, medicine and technology for the rest of the world. They are too stupid to think beyond what they can get in the short term. Even more pleasing to them is being able to see prosperous nations “punished” because they have had it too good! Sound familiar! We hear the same thing from the illegal, black/brown, muslim usurper that is squatting in the oval office.

        Lets look at this overpopulation problem a different way. Number One country in population growth is Zimbabwe at 4.3% growth, followed by Niger and Uganda! These are the countries that can LEAST AFFORD growth in population. The United States is #122 at 0.963% growth in population. The EU is 0.098% growth in population and is on the way to extinction.

        The United States isn’t responsible for countries that have out of control birthrates! The governments of countries like Zimbabwe, Niger and Uganda are the ones that need to be held accountable! The birthrate of Zimbabwe is not a worldwide problem, it is zimbabwe’s problem. And, don’t try to tell me how much energy each U. S. citizen uses equates to an “injustice” to Zimbabwe. There is no correlation. The U. S. produces its own energy, it takes nothing from Zimbabwe or any other country. Each country like each individual must be responsibe for making their own “beds” so to speak.

        If our government allows the U.S. to be ensnared by a plot to redistribute our wealth to the world, it is unconstitutional and it would be treason committed by all in Washington. It seems that is the plan “and it has already been decided” by those globalists that really own this country.

        Our founders knew that it was of great importance to keep our distance and not become involved with foreign countries and their problems. Americans had better come out of their collective coma or we will lose our sovereignty and our freedom. America will be dominated by “A World Government” that has long hoped for revenge and the demise of our prosperous nation.

      • nc

        Tony, I will have to say that the God(?) I was taught about as a child was certainly for POPULATION CONTROL especially using against little children> I used to shudder when they told me how he went about killing innocent children in Egypt just because HE had the A$$ at their leader! And when HE decided that Noah had the only children worth saving and drowned all the others ,even pregnant mothers, without even saying what they had done to “deserve” HIS wrath! Something tells me that the four year olds at that time were not “whoring around” !

      • Jana

        nc,
        It is very sad that you were not taught how to discern what the Word was talking about. The whoring around was not with other people, it was with false gods. These people had sold out to worship false gods and do sacrifice to false gods. Satan would use these people to corrupt the bloodline that Christ was to come through umblical cord through umbilical cord from Eve to Mary. Satan wanted to destroy that blood line any way he could. He would have had the Israelites (the family through which Christ was to come) intermarry and start worshipping false gods too.
        You must remember, God made our souls, He can destroy them. All of those souls are in heaven on one side of the gulf or the other awaiting judgement day. Judgement day is good for the ones who know God and have been faithful and fearful for the ones who have not.
        God loves us so much that he even gives the ones who have never been taught a chance in the Millenium. Another great study. This just shows what a wonderful, LOVING and awesome God He is.

  • foxhandler

    one long-time conservative said to me after Senator Rand Paul’s 13-hour filibuster last week.- sez Chip Wood
    Well Chip, watch TV and see all the long time Republicans saying that Rand Paul (and Ted Cruz) have exceeded the bounds of reason and civility. It is easy to find one person to agree with you, then you write your op-ed as if all conservatives agrred with you. Unless you live exclusively in your own bubble world, that is not the case. You can have selective perception, but reality may end up seeping in. Perhaps it will arrive sooner than you think.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Of all of God’s creations, only man is possessed of reason. Because reason is God’s link with man, it follows that reasonable people would listen to God, not Satan. When man listens to the persuasion of Satan instead of God, you get what we’ve got.

      • Jana

        Exactly!

      • nc

        Christian, what happens if man’s ability to “reason” has actually resulted from evolution instead of a religious belief? If man’s ability Is from God(?) why did it take so long for MAN to discover basic fire or the basic wheel? Why would God(?) give man a “limited ability” to reason?

        • truesoy

          nc,

          Good point…

      • Vicki

        nc says:
        ” Why would God(?) give man a “limited ability” to reason?”

        Upon what evidence do you presume to know that God gave man limited ability to reason?

      • Jana

        Vicki,
        He may be going by personal experience. However he certainly shouldn’t push THAT on to all of man kind.

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… Very good point on your part. None of us should push our personal beliefs on any others

      • Jana

        Macgyver,
        That is true. Conservatives generally don’t push, that is why they have been walked on for so long. Now that we are starting to push back the liberals don’t like it.

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… I do not care if it was only fighting back. This is one Liberal who would stand up for those who are fighting back. It is when I am told I am wrong if I do not agree with them, well when they get angry because I do not agree with them, I get defensive myself. We have to have the liberty to have differing views or this country or we wouldn’t be any better than Stalin’s Soviet Union or Saddam’s Iraq where they pretty much always got unanimous wins in their elections. I do not even want to go into what Hitler’s people would do if people would disagree wit them. We need more than one party with different slants on issues but what had become so wrong here is “if they do not agree with us they have to be wrong and we have to defeat them even at the expense of what is needed for the country”. Guess which side I see that attitude and practice so much more than the other.

          Thank you for not getting childish by name calling and insults as so many on this site do when they see they are disagreed with.

      • Jana

        Macgyver,
        I too appreciate the same from you. I enjoy responding to your posts as you are a gentleman. We can agree to disagree on certain things without getting mad, and I know it is a fact that we cannot have everyone in this country as Conservatives with conservative values, or everyone as Liberals with liberal values. It does take both to keep a good and fair balance. I am a realist. It is when it goes overboard either way is when it goes out of balance.
        Have a nice day.

        • macgyver1948

          Jana…. I will agree to disagree when I disagree with you, and you me, lol… It should be that way. The Founders did not agree all the time with each other but they eventually saw the need to compromise in order to benefit a great new country. I do not see this kind of necessary compromise going on these days in Congress.

          With that said I see Obama doing what many who reelected him for when it comes to helping those on Social Security and Medicare and jobs and in national Health Care and in other domestic ways. Those things should not be compromised because if we do so many will hurt so much, even with a little compromise, and all who will be getting their ways if those compromises are agreed to will the the big corporations. I have some problems with allowing our military being able to arrest and detain our US citizens for as long as they want without due process, it’s a damn anti liberty thing for me, and this damn potentially dangerous drone thing.

          I included National Health care because it was Obama’s turn to get something going. President Reagan said we should have national health care and the GOP tried and failed with their version in the early 1990s, there were too many problems with it. They came up with the Mandate and not Obama, even Romney used it in his RomneyCare for Massachusetts. There were several GOP things forced in to ObamaCare as a compromise if it was going to be allowed passage by the House GOP and I hope Obama can filter out much of the bad stuff in ObamaCare during his second term.

          Ok, I think there is much with what I just said you do not agree with but that is ok, you never have to, :-)…

    • alpha-lemming

      Republicans and conservatives are not synonymous……. Reagan was the last conservative standard bearer…. won in 2 landslides. Every………. not some, not most…. E-VER-EE candidate since has been a mushy moderate at best or prog-lite (McLame = exhibit-A) at worst. I believe there is near unanimous applause from conservatives, and am not surprised at the snubs by poser status-quo, prog-RINOs.

      • Jana

        You are so right, republicans and Conservatives are two different sets of people. Yes, the Conservatives do agree with Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

  • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

    Kudos to Dr. Rand Paul. I wish we could clone him.

    • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

      What do “kudos” buy? You sound like a “ditto head”…..

      Hey Bob, you recruiting “ditto heads”?

      And while were are on the subject…….

      How does it feel to be a ‘top libertarian” site,……when you are NOT
      a “libertarian”?

      So many mysteries, so little time.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        ooppppsss. forgot the apostrophe

        we’re……

        missed another big chance ( never, ever ) Vigilant

    • Texas Ride

      Galt obviously doesn’t contribute much in his own world. Surely, he doesn’t have time to work or be productive because he makes every other post.

      Maybe the name should be changed from “Personal LIberty” to something like “Galt Unglued.”

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        Pretty sure that record is already taken……as of this posting there will be
        295 responses……..but then you have never been real good with “evidence”……

    • nc

      Carlucci, I ,too, wish you could clone him and run him for President every four years as an alternative to the Republican’s candidate because they won’t nominate him. It’s call “The Democrats’ Dream Ticket” or “A Free Pass to the WHITE House” We Democrats are depending on you people to do the right thing and not bow down to those stinking Republicans who ignore you!

      • macgyver1948

        NC… Wow, do you really mean clone Rand Paul? We would have a bunch of people doing 13 hour filibusters forcing nothing to get done. We have too much of that already denying needed work in Congress for us. The Drone issue is scary for its probabilities of things going wrong but he needs to learn how to get his points across in so much less time.

      • Mike in MI

        mac1948 –
        It COULD NOT be any worse of a bottleneck than Hairy Reed refusing to bring anything to the floor.
        Were it not for such things as the craven president craves, nothing would be entered for debate, consideration or action. Like a budget – for four years. That ‘s something no legitimate government can function without (where freedom is a value and a continuing right or expectation).

        • macgyver1948

          Mike in MI… It could also be said the TPGOP filibuster is also a deterrent to progress. It could also be said “anything Obama puts forward or has his name attached must be defeated even if the passing would help the country” can also be a deterrent to progress. I guess it depends on the side we choose to be so faithful to without checking anything out for ourselves.

          I think we all should look into what is behind what our side says as well as what the other side is really doing with their words for their real reasons and not just their stated reasons (this for both sides). That was a mouthful but I bet you get my point. I just do not totally trust either side but I feel more comphy with what one side does more for us, the non affluent, than the other.

  • ONTIME

    The R’s are gaining steam, it took a Democrat to tell them to stop paying a money sucking lobbyist consultant to tell them how to lose. 4 million conservatist stayed home when Romney ran, his consultants advised him not to confront the Faker in the WH, he left tons of political ammo to rot along the rails because he acted like a whipped wuss. This ruined his advantage, his campaign and his respect, Romney is a good leader but how he could not have that anger to restore this Republ;ic at any cost as many of us had is one for the ages, the RINO’s and the consultants sold him out, he has only himself to blame for acting as though “nice guys win”. RINO’s and libs are bad news, they are of the same cloth,and will conspire to lie together in order to keep power, control and make sure WTP will support their lavish lifestyle and continue to be incumbent elites….we need to reorganize the way our elected leadership holds office to regain our representation..

  • mark

    In 1964, Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater took a principled stand and refused to make any concesssions to cowardly compromise. He carried 6 of the 50 states (Arizona, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina) and received 39% of the popular vote vs. Lyndon Johnson’s 61%. plus 44 states and the District of Columbia. I would predict a similar outcome if Rand Paul is the Republican standard bearer vs. Hillary Clinton in November 2016. Although I am a Democrat, I will contribute generously toward Rand Paul’s candidacy, sincerely praying for a similar outcome.

    • Old Henry

      And by the Summer / Fall of 1966 everybody was wondering how Johnson got elected as nobody voted for him. Yet one more example why we need voter control.

      As Ron White stated: “Stupid is forever” and judging by our electoral process there are a lot of very, very stupid voters.

      • macgyver1948

        Old Henry… “voter control”? Really in a free nation? Well, Stalin, Saddam in Iraq and others had that and that is why they were always, again and again, voted in unanimously each time… Is that what you want and mean? It cannot work here and never should to any degree.

      • Mike in MI

        Well, Old Henry – (and anybody else who’s got eyes to see and ears to hear)

        With all this stuff coming down and another megalomaniac in a high position of world influence who has his own brown-shirted PRIVATE ARMY in the wings

        it is becoming very clear that there is only one vote that counts.

        That vote is the vote an individual makes regarding God’s Word and the Lord Christ Jesus.

        I’ve been studying Quantum Mechanics/ Phenomena lately, trying to find out everything I can about the relationship between God’s Words/Wisdom and energy/Quantum Phenomena. Get anything you can by Gerald Schroeder (“The Hidden Face of God”) and Henry Stapp (“Mindful Universe”). There is apparently a direct correlation between photons of energy and God’s Wisdom/Words. It opens the door to marvelous things, incredible stuff when one lines himself up with God and obeys

        • macgyver1948

          Mike in MI … Well Mike in MI, I have “eyes to see and ears to hear” and I too have a keen interest in Quantum Theory. I have read often enough from famous scientists, and not so famous, of the Physics and Quantum arenas who have said the more they learn about the Universe the more they see God in it. I really like that. But no where do I read or see, from my studies as limited as they are, does any of it include Jesus in any way, just as Jesus is no where mentioned in the US Constitution, a deliberate action by our Founding Fathers.

          If you wish to believe in Jesus as your Christian Bibles say that is so much your right and I would stand up with you as an American and more so, a person of God, to support your right in that. But for so many of us who are not Christian we too have the right to believe as we choose. My Bible and religion forbids us from accepting your Jesus as anything more than a man from history, a religious man but non the less just a man.

          Enjoy learning about the relationships between God and Quantum Theory, as I do, but lets not place what isn’t as is. But you do have the right to believe as you choose as all of us do.

      • Vicki

        Science: Faith made manifest.

      • Mike in MI

        macgyver1948 –
        mac, and I’m sure I’d be proud to stand with you, too. It’s a bit late Sunday so maybe you won’t see this. But, anyway, I know there’s nothing about any specific names of heroes, redeemers, specific religions or anything such like in the founding documents – that by design. They knew all kinds of people would want to be free to stand for whatever they deemed right and good. I can’t argue that – won’t. I took an oath some 48 years ago to protect this nation, its Constitution and everything that goes with.
        I stand there on that to this day. I’ve stood there in action, study, work and service to the things I can see God has enacted and been active in.
        Those who participate in trying to defile that are going to have to deal with the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ to the extent I can see in His Word that I can pray, speak and act versus what they might do. I have seen beyond a shadow of doubt that is something to be considered – deeply – by any adversary.
        What you think, believe and aspire to is your business. I assume whatever you call your Bible has specific pronouncements regarding things that will bless people whose deepest desire is to just be RIGHT.
        If so we’ll be shoulder against shoulder. If not, soldier against soldier.
        I know that my God has raised Jesus Christ from the dead, like He promised. He has manifested himself to me many times, like he promised. I’m not special – His promises are.

        I’ve seen God manipulate matter and energy, gravity, electro-magnetism and do the sorts of things the Word says will happen when I call on His ability in times of need.

        How about you?

        • macgyver1948

          Mike in MI… I was in the US Air Force from 9/1966 to 8/1970 so I know of the oath you speak. I still will defend the Constitution because my oath didn’t come with an expiration date of 8/1970, or any kind for that matter.

          With all that said I cannot accept Jesus, my Jewish faith will never allow it, but I would fight all the way for your right in that. We would be the citizen (old man now) army defending together for all US Citizens rights to accept and believe as they choose. I believe what it says about God in Genesis so I also believe He can do whatever He chooses since he created physics with “Let there be…”.

          You included “What you think, believe and aspire to is your business. I assume whatever you call your Bible has specific pronouncements regarding things that will bless people whose deepest desire is to just be RIGHT”. Yeah, we all have that and that is basically true of the religion we each choose or why would we choose that particular religion to be part of? It is the one that makes the most sense to us. There are so many different religions and denominations within many religions for us to choose, which many seem to be the only right one, so why choose one we think could be wrong? You can “know that my God has raised Jesus Christ from the dead”, as you say but I do not believe that but again I would stand up for your right in that. I feel I know what my bible says is from God just as much as I think you think that of yours.

          This is “How about you?” of me.

          • truesoy

            macgyver…

            …so you are jewish, and don’t believe in Jesus as anything but a man. Well, I guess you are ‘doomed’. LoL.
            See, this the problem with organized religion, they either demonize one religion, or belittle it, or they instill fear and the flames of hell on an individual to persuade a change of heart and religion. And that is exactly why they condemn the jews to the eternal fire of hell in the on hand, while on the other they profess their love for you. Go figure.!
            With friends like that…..

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            Truesoy … Very interesting expose, “Well, I guess you are ‘doomed” LOL.. I have heard from Christians often enough that I can stay Jewish but in order to save my eternal soul I have to take Jesus into my heart. What a major contradiction, being Jewish and accepting Jesus as anything but a man from history.

            Once when I was at a friends home she was watching Van Ippy, or some such spelling, who is a good ‘ol TV Evangelist. Well, when he was getting close to finishing for the day he said he hoped all Jews would join them in Christ. He really didn’t know what he was asking.

            My friend asked me why I was laughing… I really didn’t want to go into it with her, she is a devout Christian and I felt anything I said, although truthful, would be upsetting to her. Being my good friend I didn’t want that. But I have had these conversions with proselytizers before and since they had no respect I didn’t care with them.

            The fact is it is a mortal sin for Jews to accept Jesus in those ways. Our Bible says so in many ways and places. The First Two Commandants, found within any copy of Torah where the 10 Commandants comes from, are indicating that. The Golden Calf Story is symbolic for it in its showing God’s anger with the Israelites for building and creating a thing that is not the single entity God and praying/worshiping it. God wanted to kill all of them for that, thus the mortal sin part. It is in our bible but I suppose those who try to recruit/convert Jews do not want to see it there for themselves so they don’t for others either.

            I am not saying it should be this way for those who aren’t Jews but we really should respect, and not insult, other peoples faiths. I asked one proselytizer what his Christian Bible, his religion, says about those of his faith who knowingly try to get others to commit mortal sin. He said, with deep thought on his face, “I suppose that would be a mortal sin for the doer”. Good for him but it got him to stop being disrespectful and insulting to me. LOL…

            It is ok to ask once but once you know the person is happy with their religion and then continue you are being insulting and disrespectful. Believe me, Truesoy, I would rather be “doomed” by mere mortals who know nothing for sure than by God who is for sure and all knowing so they can say all they want. We really need to do the “to each his own faith” thing, a Golden Rule thing, for this “Freedom Of Religion” to work for all of us.

          • truesoy

            macgyver..

            I hear you and respect your beliefs, and the beliefs of all other faith, including christians and muslims that will in turn respect other people’sreligious beliefs withour wishing nor causing harm to others. I know that for some this is hard to do, e.g., the people of the muslim faith by the most part, although maybe not all, but, by the most part; and what I fear is that christians here, maybe unnoticed to them, might be striving to become more like them.
            Look, these are the reason I don’t believe in religion because it trumps logic and common sense. To me religion is man’s attempt at defining what God is or is not, and the way I see it, no one man knows better than another.
            The Bible was a story that was for many, many years was verbally told and passed on from generation to generation, and we all know how stories changes from one week to the next, so now imagine a story that went on for years before it was written. See my point? We also have to remember that Emperor Constantine had a hand in formulating the Bible as we know it today as a tool for peace among the pagans and the christian faithfuls of the time to keep society together in order to preserve the empire. Hence the council’s decision on which of the many bibles in existance at the time would be either included and/or excluded from the new version.
            The Bible was, and it still is, a poweful tool for controlling society by fear/threat of individual damnation for those that refuse to heed it’s messege, for even children will be made to pay for the ‘sins’ of the parent. Kind of ‘socializing punishment’ by an individual’s act.
            One thing I want to clarify, though, is that my lack of religious beliefs should not be misconstrue as not believing in the existance of a “God” of which we as human don’t know much about it, if anything. It is all speculations. And on that note I will admit, that yes, I do question many times the reality of it all because there are more ‘why’s’ and ‘how’ than there are answers.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            Truesoy… Yeah, it is like a game of telephone when stories are told. But many of the Hebrew Bible stories were written down way back then because that is what those people did, write about their lives and adventures.

            We have to respect all other’s beliefs or we deserve no respect for our own. It should not matter so much what was really done back then since we cannot really know.

            It is interesting that you bring in Emperor Constantine. Those were interesting times. During the second and the third centuries it was the beginning of the fall of Rome, the economic system was collapsing and the people were growing more impoverished, well, not so much the aristocracy. In regard to that times haven’t changed. Paganism, Rome’s dominate religion, was dieing out. Constantine was not the first emperor to be concerned but he and his people were the main re-constructionists of what could be said was Rome’s evolution into what it evolved into for survival and still is today.

            In the latter part of the third century Constantine and his people felt for Rome to survive in some form it had to unite all of Rome in some way. They decided it was to be a new religion and a common book of rules, a bible so to speak. They wanted to maintain their superior power and control over the people so they called together representatives of the different religious groups.

            There are historical accounts of what went on, things like the Jewish representatives walking out because they couldn’t go along, but those details are maybe for another time. In time Constantine asked for all the stories of Jesus. They chose the ones that best suited their purpose and edited what they felt needed change. In time that collection of stories became the first sanctioned Christian Bible, the Catholic Bible, which seems to be the common foundation for all future Christian bibles. In time the remaining future Roman emperors finished what Constantine and his people begun. Anyway this is the historical accounts in brief. Interesting stuff, history. I am not sure if ever before or since the work of a few were ever more influential in shaping both history and future events than what Constantine did. For example though, we can get into what the Crusades were about but that would take too much time now and there are so many similarities in what the Crusaders did, and for whom, and what the “for whom”s predecessors were about and how they did “things”.

            Truesoy, you are so right when you say “Emperor Constantine had a hand in formulating the Bible as we know it today” “to preserve the empire”. Not just a hand though.

            Although I am very much Jewish in my way I understand how you can not be associated with a religion but still very much be a believer in God. After all, God created spiritually and man created religion, the two are not connected in concrete. Seeing all the so many different religions and especially the many denominations, all of whom seem to believe only their ways are the right ways, bares that out. I think it is just that we each find our own ways, or not, in accepting God and respect all others in their ways equally. What else can we do so even Jesus would be ok with?

          • truesoy

            macgyver,

            Thanks, for you made a good point and also added additional detais about the Council of Nicaea, like the jewish representative walking out because he did not agree. I also appreciate that you understood what my point was and we were also able to discuss it wjthout religious bias, for this is something that might construe as an attack on God by some people, e.g.- my aunt is a very good person, but also very religious and and very catholic, she attends church services most times twice per week, although lately, because of knee problems she has slow down a little, but she’ll never accept my opinion, therefore I have to be careful not to express it and/or my thoughts in such matters because she will probably feel offended and will resent me. She believes the Pope is some sort of a saint and/or holy being, therefore I refrain from expresing any opinions/comments on matters of religion.
            Ps.- most times I only express my opinion on religion when somebody brings theirs up as a way to justify inposing their beliefs on me, and/or to effect political changes/policies based on those beliefs.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            Truesoy… Often I just keep my mouth shout so I wont be taken as offensive , just to keep the peace. Sometime it just doesn’t pay to enter the war or even defend your position.

            I never mean to be offensive when I offer a piece of history. I can’t prove the history, as interesting as it is, but it can be learned from. In this case, concerning the Emperor Constantine, it explains a lot of inconsistencies, even contradictions, to me between the Christian and Hebrew Bibles. For example, what was Constantine’s favorite Pagan holiday and what does that have to do with December 25th? How can Torah be eliminated for Jews, by the spirit Jews speaking to Paul, when Jesus lived by it all his life just to come back in a so-called vision to Paul and contradict his entire Jewish belief system from when he was alive? Wouldn’t the living Jesus, knowing his future if he was what is claimed of him, make a better impact (more believable), something, if he told his followers before he was crucified that he would come back and tell of the no longer needed Torah? Paul was no where near popular when he told of his chat with the spirit Jesus in the Jewish Communities, not even among the remaining disciples.

            These things, and a lot more, make no sense to me but it doesn’t have to because I am not Christan, I just have to respect the beliefs of those who choose to be. But I can get some explanation and understating, at least, from learning about history and, in these cases, what Emperor Constantine had done. The Council(s) of Nicaea were an interesting part of history as well. There were very important reasons why the Jewish contingency walked out and I bet the living Jesus might have also for the same reasons if he were alive at the time in 323 or so CE.

            Go easy on your aunt, :-). Popes are picked by men so they decide who are the saints, not God. Let’s remember from history it was men who made up the notion of demi-gods, in many different cultures, so they could bettor control the people in some ways. The Pharaohs of Egypt, some of the Emperors of Rome and then there were the Greeks and so many more. The unexplainable immaculate conception of demi-gods worked in so many cultures to justify that control. Perhaps this is why God told the Israelites, through certain Hebrew Prophets, that the Hebrew Messiah would be a mortal man, with two mortal parents, chosen by God when God is ready. We Jews do not know about any other Messiahs.

    • http://yahoo don

      if hillary gets to be president, we will be stuck with more of owebunholes failed policies. a democrat would be about the worst thing we could have again. has stood for the people many times. i don’t agree with the right to work thing , but unions should not be totally forced on everyone. its needed in places and not others. i like his fight for gun rights. i think he’d make a better president than we’ve had in a long time. would anyone call owebunhole great? would anyone call the second bush great? would anyone call clinton that great? would anyone call the first bush that great? i think rand would be like his dad in some ways. i saw him in topeka last year. in his speech i’d bet the people were brought up 20 times. look what happened to him. big money,media , and the republican party pushed him out. they’ll probly try it with rand. the voters need to ignore the beauty padgent atmosphere that is created in primary and national elections and vote rand paul in. most younger candidates are our only chance. the older bought off ones need to be gone. i think rand paul is our last chance or this country will go down.

  • Freedom Fighter

    In an essay published by the United States Army Combined Arms Center, Pryer laments how the use of unmanned drones – which kill 50 innocent civilian for every suspected terrorist – are perpetuating wars and endangering America’s global reputation. He then makes a stark warning that the drone strike program is merely a pre-cursor to the kind of nightmare technocracy depicted in the Terminator movies.

    “It seems heart-breakingly obvious that future generations will someday look back upon the last decade as the start of the rise of the machines,” writes Pryer, adding that the US government is developing, “robots so advanced that they make today’s Predators and Reapers look positively impotent and antique. These killer robots, though, will share one thing in common with their primitive progenitors: with remorseless purpose, they will stalk and kill any human deemed “a legitimate target” by their controllers and programmers.”

    http://www.infowars.com/us-army-colonel-issues-warning-about-remorseless-killer-robots/

    I firmly believe Rand Paul knows the above, and the death, horror, military robots used on American soil will bring, and the power it will give their controllers, once in place the upgrades will begin – remorseless killer robots that never tire, never give up, never stop until you are dead.

    Do you actually trust anyone with that kind of power and why would any free people ever want them flying over head or running up an down your street? It is insane, it is tyranny in the making, it is the death of freedom.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    There are plenty of smart conservative people that have backbones to take on the media and liberial idoits. But as with both party control members, who do the choosing, they want people who will embrace their mentality of seniority so sit and vote the way they want. It goes down to city, state, and of coure federal offices. If you want to be elected to any office Kiss azz, fawn, and behave like a muslim female. Timefor term limits, but will nevver happen because it will never get to the floor in either house even if citizens of the state vote for term limits, as what happened in the late 80′s and 90′s. Tax Cheat Tom Daschle took it imediately to the SCOTUS to get the voters wish nullified.

  • http://personalliberty Alondra

    Braking news:

    Three people are Criminally Charged with the Voter FRAUD.

    Poll Worker voted 6 (SIX !!!) times for the FRAUDULENT “president”

    America, the Kenyan FRAUD in the White House.

    Please feel free to spread the GOOD News.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfePEOAXWiU&feature=youtu.be

    • jopa

      Alondra:It is not Breaking News when the source is Afterbirth.com and Fox no news.You are just so silly

      • Jana

        This just goes to show that you can’t fix stupid or ignorant! Some people don’t care that others are voting more than once.

        This particular woman did vote 6 times and was proud of it and saw nothing wrong with it and was a voting judge. There were more that did it too.
        There is an investigation going on now.

      • Michael J.

        jopa,
        You’re wrong again, as usual. Alondra’s post IS breaking news while your trailing trash more closely resembles breaking wind, as usual.

  • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

    Rand Paul in 2016? with or without that judge idiot….

    and the Hillary v. Jeb face off…….what fun!

    Meanwhile…….

  • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

    Yo Wood Chip.

    My great and good friend….STOP IT, STOP IT NOW……Vicki

    pointed out that, your president, had a list………

    How come this thirteen hour diatribe, didn’t ask for those names……?

    Why do non sequitur’s generate such attention….

    Why are you all so, stupid!!!!!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

      Gotta wonder if this crap makes the week end cut?

      BTW anytime you idiots up in facebook land wanna play in the big
      leagues…..bring it on.

      Or are you working your way down to being the big TWIT?

  • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

    For the “functional illiterate” from “face book”…..Rick Stanley

    if you look real close there is an e-mail this author link

    ole wood chip doesn’t usually give feedback directly

    Bob usually picks his spots….with the more foolish socio commie progressives

    You could just share with me….if you are looking for an intelligent analysis…

    you have to come DOWN from your face book cloud?

    • Michael J.

      Re-galt,
      By disparaging the less literate than yourself, you desecrate the memory of the fallen past patriotic multitudes that made your freedom of speech possible.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        HHHHMMMMM curious but I didn’t get the impression that I was protecting
        very much at all………and certainly not the “right” to illiteracy……it is true,
        I don’t know how the “fallen” feel about it…….and many of them, didn’t choose
        to volunteer, so they might not agree with you either.

  • Ann Jones

    I am so thankful for Senator Paul and his resolve to defend these basic rights. Finally! Hope and someone to believe who is a Congressman. Rare!

    • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

      I’m sorry….which basic right was he protecting……freedom to sound like
      an idiot for 13 consecutive hours?

      So how many americans on american soil are on the hit list?

      Oh, I’m sorry….did Rand Paul forget to ask that question, while filibustering
      a confirmation hearing……

      rand paul in 2016…..you go girl

      • redhawk

        At a minimum he was protecting the 4th Ammendment but by extension our entire way of life. This administration seems hell bent on establishing new social norms. But norms by defination must include a statistically derived % of the population. I, for one, just don’t see the numbers nor the data to support any of that. So it becomes a simple pissing match with the POTUS at at that point & that is outside of his job description and oath of office.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        Really……because if he was doing THAT, he is 75 years too late…..

        http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

        as are you.

  • http://personalliberty Alondra

    BRAKING NEWS BRAKING NEWS BRAKING NEWS

    Yesterday Orly Taitz attended CPAC convention and met and talked with the Member of the Judiciary Committee Congressman Louis Gohmert, Senator Jim Inhofe, Congressman Steven King and retired Senator and current president of the Heritage Foundation Jim DeMint.

    Orly asked them if members of the Congress and the members of the Judiciary Committee indeed felt that it is proper for O’Homobama to use the SSN which NEVER was assigned to him and failed to pass the E-Verify system, which is operated by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) in partnership with the Social Security Administration (SSA).

    She also asked Congressman Louis Gohmert if he knew that in January Department of Justice appeared before Judge England, stating that THEY REPRESENT the U.S. Congress and on behalf of the U.S. Congress THEY OPPOSED THE INJUNCTION of the certification of Obama’s electoral votes.

    Gohmert stated IN FRONT OF ALL THE REPORTERS that he NOTHING new about these issues and that the Department of Justice NEVER gave him any Court papers or reports.
    Congressman Steven King took the documents and promised that his staff will review all the info and will prepare an executive report.

    Again, the Department of InJustice went behind the U.S. Congress’ back and LIED in the Court that they represent the U.S. Congress, but never gave them any pleadings or documents.
    Conclusion: the Department of InJustice acted as a private criminal defense attorney for the Kenyan FRAUD and Taxpayers paid the bill.

    “Magna est veritas et praevalet” – “The truth is great and shall prevail”

    “Fiat justitia ruat caelum” – “Let justice be done though the heavens fall”

    • Bob666

      And when Orly Taitz left, they all busted out laughing and asking the uiversal question; what planet is Orly Taitz from and is it in our solar system?

      • macgyver1948

        Bob… Orly Taitz has to be in some solar system if it exists as a planet. If in ours it might stay on the opposite side of the sun from us sharing our orbit so we can’t see it, LOL… Sorry, I am in a particularly good mood today because of events, :-)…

        • Bob666

          Yo Mac,
          “I am in a particularly good mood today because of events”

          Glad to hear, we all need a much better than average day from time to time.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… Yeah, I have those good days fairly often so its a good thing but a lot of the time we have to make our own…

    • jopa

      Alondra:Your little post lists almost all of the elitists in the GOP from Orly Taits to Louie Goober, and even Jack Inhofe.Was there no room in th clown car for Donald Grump.You are just too funny.LMAO of what you think is news when the rest of the world moved on and dropped this particular nonsense.

  • FreedomFighter

    Alondra, notice that as soon as you put some truth up on the board the LUNATIC leftest shill scumbags plaster the board with idiot-postings drowning or trying to, the truths…and they do it for minimum wage – disgusting human beings become trators to America for minimum wage.

    My only hope is the occasional reader that joins the discussion read enough to know whom they are and just skips over the garbage.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it until ALL republicans and democrats no longer support the duopoly.

    Rand Paul has been placed (willing or not) by the bought and paid for tea party to further divide the “movement”. His speech along with the attention he received very well should be applauded for raising awareness regarding the droning of America but that’s it! As long as he remains a Republican he is NOT the answer as leader of the grassroots movement. No action for the good of “we the people” will ever come to fruition as long as it comes from a “dem/rep” and even has a hint of being at odds with the oligarchs policy agendas. The only way we, as common Americans, will have a voice again is through a third party. The duopoly will only allow a voice if it suits their agenda and if a voice sneaks through and gets too far, they have and will changed the rules again. The current two party system is a broken, corrupt hoax meant to keep us distracted by pointing fingers across party lines while “we the people” continue to suffer and the continuation of endless debt, endless war and endless overreach of government continues unimpeded.

    Say NO to Rand Paul in 2016. Say NO to another Clinton in 2016. Unless of course you are happy with where we stand as a country. If so, by all means, vote Duopoly in 2016! More importantly, if you wish for some positive change soon, vote third party in your local elections. Local third party candidates are well aware of the corruption and will openly oppose them.

    If anyone would like to make a case for voting Dem/Rep in 2016, I’m all ears………….. :)

    • Bob666

      Yo Rev,
      in a strange way, you make a point. I dont believe that it would work, but it is no stranger an idea than many presented here. We do agree that both parties are bought and paid for.

      • Michael J.

        Bob666,
        Not only are both sides bought and paid for, but paid for by the same source. Indeed, both parties exist as the flip side of the same coin.
        The only real bickering between the two is over who’ll get the best seats at the annual Bilderberg/Rothschild meeting, where as the MSM bickering is merely theater designed to maintain the illusion of choice by the people.

        When participants here wallow in the false left-right paridigm, the elite string pullers win

        • macgyver1948

          Michael J… One of the biggest differences between the sides is how they present their loyalties to the public, and the degree, but in fact it is really for big money. Politicians owe a lot for winning. We knew, for examples, that again with little bush and how he rewarded big oil and Obama with the auto guys. It is sad we are choosing the lessor of the evils as we each see it…

        • vietnamvet1971

          I agree with your opinion, Both parties are no different and playing us for Fools. But we can see their Evil motives.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Some of what you say about the republicrats is true but we need to work from within as well as from without. Four times I have run both the senate and congress and I can assure you I had a lot of followers I didn’t stand a chance, Like Stalin said: I don’t about the voters, I’m more concerned with the vote counters.In a moral political world things would be different. When you run for office the best that you can hope for is the opportunity to get your message out. The tea party, the liberarians, the constitutionalist have members but how many of them have read the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence, or even the bible. They are made up of people reacting, not acting in an organized and disciplined way. Rand Paul’s message can bring people to the Tea Party movement which probably is our best chance. The Tea Party is made up of distraught Republicans. Canididates can run on many party lines. Once a balance of power is attained, you can dictate to evers their.

      • RevNowWhileWeCan

        The Christian American,
        I live in Tampa. I saw first hand when you try to work within the confines of a corrupt party. If you do not represent the greater party agenda, they change the rules. These party’s are corrupt to the core and intentionally flawed. The grassroots is not represented in the Tea Party. The Tea Party is just another Republican hoax placed by the hierarchy of the duopoly to appease true conservatives within the party and to further fool grassroots Republicans into thinking their party is still the way to go. Change cannot come from the grassroots unless the duopoly allows it. I have only the history of the two party’s to make my point.

    • V. Chandler

      True, but a third party cannot win.

      • Vicki

        I bet the Whig party wishes that were true.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    The root of society’s demise is government deception that started in 1946 about energy in the cores of heavy atoms (Th, U, Pu), planets (Jupiter, Saturn), ordinary stars (the Sun) and galaxies (Milky Way).

    Why? Fear that humans might misuse nuclear energy to destroy life on Earth, including the lives of our political leaders. Here’s the rest of the story:

    http://orach24463.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/fear-and-loathing-of-humans-the-pathology-behind-the-climate-change-movement/

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2199

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  • J.D.

    Rand Paul has backbone to stand up for our constitution and rights as citizens and this
    The courage and integrity that America needs to stop the free fall !!!!

    • jopa

      J.D.: Rand Paul has minimal grey matter between the ears and the more he talks the more obvious I am right on.

      • dan

        ….pot calling kettle obamaaaa ?

  • http://www.booksbyoliver.com OhioRiver

    Yes, there is a little “hope” from Senator Rand Paul, but it’s going to take more than one member of the senate and many more in the congress to keep this ‘hope’ alive. Hopefully, there will be a ground swelling of support because the people needs need leadership.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Thanks, Chip.

    Senator Rand Paul and his father, Congressman Ron Paul, are only politicians that are now speaking the blunt truth to the American public:

    You have been enslaved while worrying about natural climate changes, doing drugs (including alcohol), taking mood-altering psychotropic drugs and watching reality TV shows, gladiator sports, playing video games, etc:

    http://orach24463.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/fear-and-loathing-of-humans-the-pathology-behind-the-climate-change-movement/

    With deep regrets,
    Oliver K. Manuel

    • Jana

      Add Ted Cruz into that too. He is getting a lot of flack from the Republicans as well as the Democrats for his honesty and his stance.

      • jopa

        Jana; Cruz is just another Joe McCarthy and you are all just a bunch of Commies.

      • James

        Cruz, astonishingly a Harvard grad so he must have a brain somewhere, is not a hope for the GOP. He is guilty of willful faux ignorance to pander to “believers”.

        What has happened to the GOP is the replacement of reason and intellect with ‘values’. This has played nicely into the hands of those orchestrating the larger picture, which is the shell game of keeping the true believers focused on social issues while pursing the concentration of wealth. “Values” enable believers to pick and choose what they want to believe, where even a college education can be rendered dysfunctional, and in the case of creation ‘scientists’ it reinforces beliefs as most appear to be engineers. The paranoia, bizarre beliefs, unsupportable statements, disregard for mainstream sources of information and knowledge, and the reinforcing cycle of extremism all have the trappings of a cult. The infighting is a symptom of the religious like belief systems, which seems to result in increasing tribalism. This is actually embraced as the alternative is the society at large, emphasis on large, where a body of knowledge like science tends to result in more widespread agreement and international cooperation.

    • FreedomFighter

      We are not totally enslaved yet, we are still armed — slaves own no guns. Yet they are very close, very close indeed to total enslavement. of Americans. Take the weapons from our hands and total enslavement begins in earnest, so does death on a massive scale, so they can reach that utopia number of 500 million — now 6 billion plus humans.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        I guess since time began tyrants have risen to the surface looking to conquer the world only this time it could be in their grasp, if their Creator let them. With each new thing they invent to put men in bondage, physically and mentally they get puffed up thinking their goal is just over the horizon. Are men getting enlightened to who they are? Can men look at their Leaders as termites, destroyers, or do they look at them as something better than themselves? Our Creator puts us on an equal plane. If we look at some people as some sort of divine beings, shame on us. We’re putting the rope our own necks if we do that.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    These cowards are trying every trick today to stay in power:

    http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/345-7/

    • NMBC

      Some politicians will jump on the band wagon, and say whatever they think you want to hear.

      The Democratic Party had 55 Senate votes and needed 4 more votes to confirm Chuck Hagel (He was an AIPAC’s Lobyist) and he did; he is one of the 4 Repulbicans who helped to confirm the AIPAC lobyist.

      From the Dailymail:”Former senator from Nebraska approved to replace Panetta with support of four Republicans after bitter confirmation battle. Just four Republicans crossed the political divide to back Hagel as he won a 58 to 41 vote in America’s upper chamber. They were Thad Cochran of Mississippi, Mike Johanns of Nebraska, Richard Shelby from Alabama and, surprisingly, Tea Party favourite Rand Paul from Kentucky, who had been one of Hagel’s staunchest critics.”

      American have more Generals who could fill this job, but Rand Paul refused to open a hearing for nominees.

      Rand Paul’s 13-hour filibuster last week did not serve any purpose, because the Republican party did not have enough votes to stop the nomination.

      • NMBC

        This is how the filthy rich are brainwashing you to promote their candidates.

        Rand Paul is one of the elite candidates who is constantly used by the leftwing media. Just like his father (RON PAUL) used to do. As long as they reduce the Republican party’s votes. They don’t operate as a team, so the rightwing to split the votes.

        http://personalliberty.com/2013/03/18/at-msnbc-opinion-dominates-coverage/

      • http://yahoo don

        mnbc, i don’t think rand or ron are bought off by anyone. they claim to be constiutionalists. is a mccain anything like that. i is probly one of the bigges bought off congressmen there is. i saw ron paul in topeka last year during his campaign. in his about 45 minute speech the people were brought up. i don’ see where you come up with him and roand as bout off. all bs.

  • Bobbie Hammond

    Finally we have someone with the guts to stand up for the constitution and the people of America!!! Keep standing, Rand Paul, and get more of the people in Congress to stand with you and fight for us before we get to the point of no return!! Thank YOU!!

  • tncdel

    That’s all well and good, but Rand Paul cherry-picks on which tenets of the Constitution he wants to uphold. On domestic national defense Paul has chosen to join the ranks of TRAITORS who put the interests of foreign nationals here illegally.

    Anyone with an IQ above that of a turnip should be able to realize that amnesty would only serve to attract millions more job-stealing illegals here.

    The ONLY way to stop the illegal alien invasion: MAKE THINGS AS TOUGH AS POSSIBLE on the illegals, so they will self-deport back to Mexico, etc. at their own expense because they get to hate it here so much. We certainly can’t afford to deport over 20 million illegals. Plus most would only come right back if we tried.

    Ted Cruz, the man who served as the anchorman for Paul’s 13 hour filibuster is who we should support for president in 2016. Unlike Paul, Cruz is OPPOSED to amnesty, even though he is Hispanic, because he puts America first.

  • tncdel

    Edited:

    That’s all well and good, but Rand Paul cherry-picks on which tenets of the Constitution he wants to uphold. On domestic national defense Paul has chosen to join the ranks of TRAITORS who put the interests of foreign nationals here illegally first.

    Anyone with an IQ above that of a turnip should be able to realize that amnesty would only serve to attract millions more job-stealing illegals here.

    The ONLY way to stop the illegal alien invasion: MAKE THINGS AS TOUGH AS POSSIBLE on the illegals, so they will self-deport back to Mexico, etc. at their own expense because they get to hate it here so much. We certainly can’t afford to deport over 20 million illegals. Plus most would only come right back if we tried.

    Ted Cruz, the man who served as the anchorman for Paul’s 13 hour filibuster is who we should support for president in 2016. Unlike Paul, Cruz is OPPOSED to amnesty, even though he is Hispanic, because he puts America first.

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