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Rand Paul Calls For Israel Aid Cuts In Israel

January 8, 2013 by  

Rand Paul Calls For Israel Aid Cuts In Israel
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U.S. Senator Rand Paul has long been a critic of American foreign aid spending.

Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) called for a reduction in U.S. aid to Israel on Monday during his first visit to the nation.

Over the weekend, the Kentucky Republican fielded reporter questions which allude to the possibility that he is gearing up for a 2016 Presidential bid, speculation the Senator neither confirmed nor denied. His call for reduced American aid to Israel — an unpopular policy position among most Republicans — came during a press briefing.

Paul said that the $3 billion a year the U.S. provides its Mideast ally could possibly weaken both countries as the United States continues to battle massive debt and deficit spending.

“It will (be) harder to be a friend of Israel if we are out of money. It will be harder to defend Israel if we destroy our country in the process,” he told the Jerusalem Institute for Market Studies, an Israeli think tank. “I think there will be significant repercussions to running massive deficits … you destroy your currency by spending money you don’t have.”

Paul has long been a critic of American foreign aid spending. He penned a letter to fellow lawmakers late last year calling for cuts in foreign aid spending to Pakistan, Egypt and Libya.

The Senator explained in his most recent call for cutting foreign aid that American money is being used to fuel an arms race in the Mideast that will ultimately make the region more dangerous for Israel.

“I’m concerned that some of the weaponry that we are currently giving to Egypt may one day be used against Israel,” he said.

Paul also said that reduced aid to Israel would give leaders of that country more room to make defense decisions without first having to acquire U.S. permission “on bended knee.”

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • THE KENYAN KRUSHER KONQUERS LIBERAL KRAPOLA !!!

    He’s 100% right!!!!!!!!!! WE are broke & can’t afford these things anymore!

    • http://comcast.com thefisherman

      sounds like Mitt a flip floper first you say you do then you don’t Can the Republicans make up there minds>They do not want anyone to apose the Iserals. Rand is like his father blowing smoke up his ass

  • Dee

    Cut off all aid to all countries except Isreal.
    If they can’t cut off aid to all countries, at least cut off ALL aid to Egypt. It is run by the muslim brotherhood.

    • eddie47d

      All we are doing in the Middle East is trying to buy the peace. Some times it works and other times its nothing more than foreign welfare and a cash cow for dictators or even elected governments. I’m not against all aid but unfortunately it does fuel the arms race which fuels the wars we get dragged into. Exactly what is Israel doing with the $3-4 billion we give them every year? This has been going on for a couple of decades now and the same could be said about the money given to President Mubarak over the years. I believe Rand Paul wants serious answers like the rest of us.

      • Toy

        We sure were dragged into that 911 war with Iraq!

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Dee israel gets most of our foreign aid dollars ! And there are one of the ten richest countries in the world .

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      I agree Dee, why support the emenies of Israel and cut off Israel? Rand must be out drinking with his kid these days both sound pretty drunk right now. God Bless Dee and God Bless Israel:

  • Diane Grudem

    Israel has had 60 years to develop industries and create a GDP of their own. Why are we still supporting them to the extent that we do?
    They have a defence program that is adequate for the size of the country.
    It is an error to believe that they need our permission to do anything, Bibi has made that clear. The Gazans have to defend themselves, it is clear that the rest of the Arab/Muslim world is not stepping up to the plate.
    Israel has had adequate time to prove that they deserve the piece of ground that they chose. In their greed, they are oozing over ground that they were not granted in the original agreement and the Natives are understandably uncomfortable with this hostile takeover.
    It is time for Israel to stand on its own or end the experiment. The US has big problems and needs to focus its resources on its own soil or its experiment will fail.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      You got that right !

  • http://Yahoo Maynard Runkle

    The battle for our freedoms is too crucial right here at home for us to be able to afford our expensive meddling abroad. Rand’s dad Ron made that point most forcefully. The biggest foreign drag is Israel. Besides, they are able to tap into the riches of Jews outside their country. We need to draw back and draw down.
    The Middle East meddling in general has been used to justify mangling our rights and freedoms here at home in the name of security. We have looked into the extremist Muslim threat and it is much greater now than when the false flag of 9/11 and the anthrax attacks propelled us down this path. They are still not severe enough to require the horrendous attacks and destruction – the ‘shock and awe’ and the drone killings. These have merely escalated the anger and hostility towards us. That was the intent of the government which planned the destruction in New York and Washington and the anthrax letters: to erect a fear front to justify enormous increases in defense, intelligence and security spending. It has succeeded in undermining our economy, which is a much more frightening danger. Governmental measures are underming our Constitutional guarantees. They have resulted in massive increases in mechanisms to enshrine a Police State: The Patriot Act, clandestine wiretapping, Homeland Security, FEMA and Focus camps, NDAA 2012 and 2013, Government agencies stockpiling hollow point bullets. funding domestic drones, attempts to take away civilian weapons fostered by a plethora of recent strange, unlikely attacks possibly created by some new insidious forms of mind control. The nomination as head of the CIA of a man who favors KGB style tactics, increasing government secrecy and repression of whistle blowers.
    Until our energy needs can be largely met by clean, renewable energy, the environment itself will be another grave impediment to our species and most life forms. Through technological development we CAN harness wind, sun and heat from inside the earth. We CAN use water for clean burning hydrogen as we now know how to produce it and store it much more efficiently through storage techniques which do not require compression or cooling and artificial photosynthesis to mass produce it using free sunlight.
    The filthy fossil fuel folks and ignorance are the biggest barriers to filling our air, land and water with pollution . We must not surrender to either their propaganda or our own lack of knowledge.There is still a window of opportunity but it is closing quickly.

    • Ivan Hubscher

      There is nothing for clarity of mind that is better than a nice long rant such as yours. It is clear where your sympathies lie. Try to focus on the actual story, though.

      Is Rand Paul correct, or not, to cut offf aid to all the warring factions in the Middle East? Should a country of 7 million having their very right to life threatened by 1.5 Billion moslems be an exception to the cut?

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Maynard Maynard I was with you up to the point when you started hugging the trees !

      • Howard C

        Good one Jimmy. I’m right there with ya.

  • czman75

    Dude lost me as a supporter. Cut spending to any and all countries except Israel! especially to the palastines!

    • Bob

      Your so right we cannot afford foreign aid and we certainly don’t need to be the policeman of the world. If we pulled our troops home to protect our country we have free medical, a real school system and social security. We are controlled by neocons and lobbyist and it is ruining our country. It’s all about cutting spending but they hit the youn and the old and the poor first but don’t cut any of our wasteful government programs….sickening!

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Czmam isreal is the first country we neen to cut off ! Googel USS Liberty for starters , As soon as them zionest are finished sucking the blood out of America they well side with China .

  • Mendy Hecht

    I’m Jewish so I can say this without getting called a Jew-hater: The best thing that can happen to Israel is for them to lose Financial (not moral!) Supporter in Chief Uncle Sam so that they can finally take the kid gloves off and put the terrorists down real hard once and for all without having to worry what Uncle Sam will say. Sen. Paul, like his father, is dead-on one that one, exactly as he said. The funding gets in the way of tough defense decisions. Cut the funding–and free Israel to defend herself once and for all.

    • Don.W

      Mandy even if the US cuts funding it will not leave Israel free to do what it should with the Hamas Terrorists and others of the same ilk. You have forgotten the UN also known as the Arab Club and the EU. They will stand up and start shouting followed by more Resolutions against Israel.

      If I remember correctly there have been 21 Resolutions against Israel and about 1 against Syria, who, by the way have killed over 60,000 plus of their own citizens in the last few months. None against countries like Bahrain, Zimbabwe, Congo etc, etc.

      I understand that the EU is considering sanctions against Israel for defending itself, it had the cheek to ask why only a small handful of Israelis died where as almost 300 died in Gaza. It seems to forget that if it had not been for the Iron Dome in the last attack by Hamas Israel would have had thousands killed.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        That is because iseral is the bad guy in the middle east , and needs to be put in there place . that well happen when the Persians nuke up . ( i hope it is real soon )

      • eddie47d

        Don :No they won’t be sanctioning Israel for defending itself but for their expansions in the West Bank.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.ruiz.3701779 Tony Ruiz

      His dad is an idiot

      • momo

        Compared to the current crop of corrupt politicians, Ron Paul was a paragon of virtue.

        • Bob

          The Pauls are patriots that believe in the constitution and the bill of rights that’s why the news media and the debates were so jaded! Go figure.

    • Ivan Hubscher

      Mendy, although your sentiment may be correct, in general, the preamble to your comment sends a message that you are not on the up and up.

      Being Jewish has nothing to do with the question at hand. Does the concept of cutting foreign aid to all but the most dangerous situations make sense? Does the USA have the luxury of spending huge sums of money it does not have? Would Israel be more free to deal with terrorists if it did not accept forein aid from America?

    • Bob

      Mendy being a jew can you tell me why all the jewish politicians want to take our guns away after the holocaust.

      The Night of the Broken Glass (Kristallnacht)–the infamous Nazi rampage against Germany’s Jews–took place in November 1938. It was preceded by the confiscation of firearms from the Jewish victims. On Nov. 8, the New York Times reported from Berlin, “Berlin Police Head Announces ‘Disarming’ of Jews,” explaining:

      The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been “disarmed” with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment.1

      On the evening of Nov. 9, Adolf Hitler, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, and other Nazi chiefs planned the attack. Orders went out to Nazi security forces: “All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately . . . . Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire . . . . The Führer wishes that the police does not intervene. . . . All Jews are to be disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot immediately.”2
      All hell broke loose on Nov. 10: “Nazis Smash, Loot and Burn Jewish Shops and Temples.” “One of the first legal measures issued was an order by Heinrich Himmler, commander of all German police, forbidding Jews to possess any weapons whatever and imposing a penalty of twenty years confinement in a concentration camp upon every Jew found in possession of a weapon hereafter.”3 Thousands of Jews were taken away.

      Invading Nazi troops in Holland in 1940 immediately nailed up posters announcing a ban on all firearms. From Die Deutsche Wochenshau, May 15, 1940.
      Searches of Jewish homes were calculated to seize firearms and assets and to arrest adult males. The American Consulate in Stuttgart was flooded with Jews begging for visas: “Men in whose homes old, rusty revolvers had been found during the last few days cried aloud that they did not dare ever again return to their places of residence or business. In fact, it was a mass of seething, panic-stricken humanity.”4
      Himmler, head of the Nazi terror police, would become an architect of the Holocaust, which consumed six million Jews. It was self evident that the Jews must be disarmed before the extermination could begin.

      Finding out which Jews had firearms was not too difficult. The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in 1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners. Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938.

  • Ivan Hubscher

    Dianne Grudem, you need to reread your history books. You do not get to write your own. Israel has nothing to prove to you or anyone else. The Jews were given that land by G-d, Himself and ARE the natives there. Although there were some Arabs there as well, they refuse to play nice.

    The Arabs are intent on killing their neighbors while the Jews are retaliating in self-defense, in which I guess you do not believe. Besides, all this has nothing to do with the subject of foreign aid.

    The United States needs to all but eliminate foreign aid to all countries with very rare exceptions. You, however; are just interested in cutting off the only real ally we have in the area because your sympathies lie with the bullys.

    • Coalminer

      Wrong Ivan,

      What Right Do Zionist
      Jews Have To Palestine?
      From Jason Collett
      colletts@mweb.co.za
      11-9-3
      What title-deeds do the Jews of today actually have to the land of ‘Israel’? The idea that a people can possess some kind of ethnic ancestral right to a territory supposedly vacated by their forebears some millenia previously, implying a right in perpetuity, can have no legal basis. Or otherwise Americans of European ancestry, to name just one group of people, will have to pack their bags.
      According to Dr Alfred Lilienthal in his book The Zionist Connection, “The Jewish population of Palestine [what is now Israel and the occupied territories, the West Bank and Gaza] at the time of the Balfour Declaration in 1917 was a mere 7 percent of the 700 000 inhabitants. The rest were Muslim and Christian Arabs•At the time of the (US-dominated UN) partition vote in 1947 there were only 650 000 Jews in Palestine while there were 1,3 million indigenous Palestinian Arabs, either Christian or Muslim. Under the partition plan, 56 % of Palestine was given for a Zionist state to people who constituted 33 % of the population and owned about 6 % [six percent] of the land• These UN figures have never been in dispute•”
      But there is a further issue, which also (YET AGAIN!) demonstrates the fundamentally questionable foundations of Zionism.
      Jews are actually not even the modern descendents of the Israel of the Biblical ÎOld Testamentâ:
      According to both the early-20th-Century popular historian H.G.Wells and the Hungarian-Jewish intellectual and author Arthur Koestler, amongst numerous others, the people known today as Jews are primarily the descendents of a Turkish tribe known as the Khazars. The Khazars have no historical connection to Palestine. They converted to ÎJudaismâ between 620 and 740AD, and have no genetic connection to biblical Israel, and hence to the narratives of the Bible and the ÎHoly Landâ. Koestler actually devoted an entire book called The Thirteenth Tribe (1976) to the fact that the Jews of eastern European origin, who are known as the Ashkenazi Jews and who make up about 95% of the Jewish population of today, are of Khazar origin. In other words – virtually all of the Jews of the modern world have no Hebrew ancestry, and no ancient connection with Palestine.
      Does it matter? Does world peace matter? Do the human rights of a violently oppressed people matter? Does anything but sport and television sitcoms matter?
      Arthur Koestler was by no means the first to draw attention to this particular issue. He quotes from twentieth-century works on the subject by, amongst others, Professors A.N.Poliak of Tel Aviv University, D.M.Dunlop of Columbia University in New York, and J.B.Bury of Cambridge University. The courageous Jewish anti-Zionist commentator Dr Alfred Lilienthal raised the issue fifty years ago and has continued to do so for decades. In fact, the famous H.G.Wells in the early 1920âs in his popular Outline of History described the Jews as Îa Turkish peopleâ and stated that Î(to the) Jewish Khazars.. are to be ascribed the great settlements of Jews in Poland and Russiaâ (chapt XXXII:8) and ÎThe main part of Jewry never was in Judea, and never came out of Judeaâ (XXIX:1).
      Lord Moyne the British secretary of state in Cairo declared on June 9, 1942, in the House of Lords that the Jews were not the descendants of the ancient Hebrews and that they had no “legitimate claim” on the Holy Land. A proponent of curtailing immigration into Palestine, he was accused of being “an implacable enemy of Hebrew independence.”(Isaac Zaar, Rescue and Liberation: America’s Part in the Birth of Israel, New York: Bloch, 1954, p. 115). On November 6, 1944, Lord Moyne was assassinated in Cairo by two members of the Stern Gang led by Yitzak Shamir, latter to become premier of ÎIsraelâ. (This assassination was not unique in the history of Zionism. In September 1948 Count Folke Bernadotte, appointed by the UN as mediator between the Zionist settlers in Palestine and the native Palestinians, was murdered on orders from the same Yitzhak Shamir. Count Bernadotte was the head of the Swedish Red Cross and had risked his life to save thousands of Jews from German concentration camps. This set a precedent and encouragement for the Zionist use of assassination as a convenient political instrument, which the US and European governments have in effect condoned since then.)
      Much old documentary evidence exists on the subject of the Khazars dating from the ninth and tenth centuries and earlier – from Arab, Byzantine, Hebrew, Russian and other sources. The conversion of the Khazars to Judaism is described in the so-called ‘Khazar Correspondence’ dating from the tenth century between Hasdai Ibn Shaprut, the Jewish chief minister of the Caliph of Cordoba in Spain, and Joseph, the king of the Khazars. In this the king traces the ancestry of his people not to Shem, father of the Semites, but to Japheth, Noah’s third son. The Book of Genesis (10:2,3) itself also describes Ashkenaz as a descendent of Japheth, rather than Shem. In other words, the Jews are not a Semitic people, but their contempt for the Arab world and their bitter and violent war of dispossession against the Palestinian Arabs could be termed Îanti-Semiticâ.
      The Khazars were formerly well known as a powerful people who, at their peak, ‘controlled or exacted tribute from some thirty different nations and tribes’ (Koestler), and were the supreme masters of the southern half of eastern Europe for more than a century. The Caspian Sea is still known today in Arabic as Bahr-ul-Khazar, ‘the Khazar Sea’. These people controlled trade on the Dnieper, the Don and Volga Rivers between the Swedish Vikings, known as the Rus (the founders of Russia) in the north, and Byzantium-Constantinople (capital of the Eastern Roman Empire), Persia and Arabia in the south. The extent of trade along these rivers is indicated by the very large number of Arab coins – approximately 50 000 ö found, strangely enough, in Sweden and dating from Viking times.
      After their conversion to ‘Judaism’, a religion based primarily on the teachings of the Pharisees and the Talmud, the Khazars adopted circumcision and became known as the ‘Jewish Khazars’ and then later simply as ‘Jews’. Before the conversion, the ‘Jewish’ population of the entire region was sparse; afterwards, understandably, it suddenly became large. Writing in the tenth century, the Muslim chronicler Muqaddasi says ‘In Khazaria, sheep, honey and Jews exist in large quantities’ (Koestler p 43).
      After being defeated by the Rus around 965AD, the power of the Khazars waned, and a gradual migration commenced westwards and north-westwards into Eastern Europe – the Ukraine, Hungary, Poland and Lithuania. Koestler shows that Yiddish (the former Jewish lingua franca of eastern Europe which is classed as a German dialect) developed not in Germany but in Poland as an amalgam of German, Hebrew and Slavonic (Russian and Polish) – the strong German basis of the language being the result of the German social and cultural prominence in the main cities of Poland in medieval times (Koestler chapt VII : 3). Hebrew itself was only used for liturgical and rabbinic-scholastic purposes, not for everyday communication. No archaeological or other evidence exists of the use in biblical times of the six-pointed ‘star of David’, the emblem of the Ashkenazi Jews and the Israeli state, and the yarmulke, the skullcap worn by Jewish males, likewise has no biblical foundation. So neither the use of Hebrew nor the star of David, or the wearing of the yarmulke indicate any historical connection with the territory.
      Koestler says: “The historical evidence.. indicates that the bulk of Eastern Jewry – and hence of world Jewry – is of Khazar-Turkish, rather than Semitic, origin.”
      (p 175). This of course poses various interesting questions on many issues, including that of the violent and manipulative Jewish takeover of Palestine during the last century. The reason these questions are not asked is that the story of the Khazar conversion is generally so little known. The academic, church and media establishments generally have shown no interest in correcting such an awkward and fundamental misperception, the source of so much suffering and spilt blood. They consider the issue to be unimportant or potentially dangerous in spite of the shocking human-rights outrages that the mainly Khazar-descended ‘Israelis’ and their Khazar-descended international Zionist supporters have perpetrated against the native people in Palestine over the last century.
      Is there any doubt about the issue?
      The British journalist Douglas Reed, former chief Central European correspondent of the Times, in 1950 wrote “The Eastern European Zionists are not Semites (though the Arabs are), have no semitic blood, and their remote forefathers never trod Palestinian earth.”
      Mr Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish industrialist born in New York, wrote in the Economic Council Letter published there of October 15 1947: “These Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection with Palestine. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the Promised Land. They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar Kingdom.. The Khazars were a non-semitic, Turko-Mongolian tribe.”
      Mr Freedman was challenged, unwisely, by a Zionist objector. He invited his challenger to go with him to the Jewish room of the New York Public Library. There they could together examine the Jewish Encyclopaedia volume I pp. 1-12, and the published works of Graetz, Dubnow, Friedlander, Raisin and many other noted Jewish historians, which, as well as other non-Jewish authorities, “establish the fact beyond all possible doubt.” (Somewhere South of Suez (1950) pp349-350).
      If the Khazar account is untrue, we can be sure that a swift and comprehensive rebuttal would have followed Koestler’s book and Lilienthal’s long-standing allegations, let alone those of H.G.Wells. Can anyone name the book or books in which such a rebuttal appeared?
      To confuse the Jews of today with the Hebrews of the Bible is like believing that the Cherokee ‘Indians’ not only follow the Hindu religion but will eventually return in triumph to the valley of the sacred Ganges•

      • Coalminer

        It belongs to the Arabs and only to the Arabs.Thi is historical fact no Biblical myths.

      • Coalminer

        It belongs to the Arabs and only to the Arabs.This is historical fact, not Biblical myths

      • Jimmy The Greek

        You Sir are 100% on the money Thank You .

      • Ivan Hubscher

        Jason Collett, I take it you speak at least Afrikanz because your English is foaming at the mouth. I speak more than four languages with Hebrew being one of them.

        I do not have the time at the moment to deal with all the froth. But ask you two questions, now. 1 Do you have any idea what Khazer means? 2. What title-deed do you have to the land of ‘South Africa’, where you or your father forcibly removed the unarmed Africans who were there before you?

        I will address the rest of your nonsense later when I have more time. Jason, you are obviously not a real African, but you are a real racist!

      • Coalminer

        Ivan,

        You can read Hebrew,read this.
        יהודים ‘אין זכות או תביעה לפלסטין

    • Walt

      “The Jews were given that land by G-d, Himself and ARE the natives there.”

      What absolute crap Ivan! How far back to you want to go to justify land claims? The Jews have had a tenuous foothold, at best, on that real estate as recorded in history. The Egyptians, the Caananites, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Turks, the European Crusaders, the Arabs and finally the British have all laid claim and controlled this piece of dirt at one time or another.

      The vast majority of Jews who currently inhabit Israel are not really racial Jews, 95% of all modern Jews are not true racial Israelites, they are Khazar Jews descended from Esau/Edom. The Khazar Jews, or Eastern Jews, were an ancient warrior race of Turkish (Edomite / Idumean – Esau) origin who had interbred with the Ashkenazim and converted to Judaism en masse at the end of the 8th century AD.

      And to your point about God “giving” this land to the Jews, lets also recall that this land was already inhabited by numerous Caananite kingdoms when the Jews strolled into this area from the desert, after their exile from Egypt. Supposedly, as the Jews claim, they were instructed to lay waste to all the Caananite kingdoms by God, killing everybody, including every man, woman, child and all their animals. Really Ivan, do you actually believe this? Just because it was written on some scrolls by the very folks who slaughtered so many innocents?

      If so, you believe in quite a different brutal and blood-thirsty God than I do.

      • Coalminer

        Right Walt.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Thank you Walt !

      • 2forEnglish

        WoW – and here I thought I was on a message board that attracts people who actually think for themselves, reject popular left wing bias, and who hold truth, justice and personal freedom in the highest regard. I was under the impression that it was only the brainwashed leftists who were ignorant enough to buy into the hideous propaganda of all the hate groups throughout history – that have spread their intentional fabrications about the “Greedy Jews” being responsible for all the ills of the world. I come here to this message board with the hope of reading words of great wisdom from high minded, upstanding, neighbor loving, defenders of the Republic – who are not only intelligent, but also a bit more emotionally refined than the hate filled, clueless, Obama-worshipping. ComuNazi liberals who are all over the main stream media message boards – hating Jews, Israel, and freely spreading Hitler’s world! I must say after reading your comments as well as those of a few others, I think I have come to the wrong place after all – either THAT………… or maybe YOU are in the wrong place – for you have infused Personal Liberty Digest with a whole new flavor that I haven’t tasted here before. Make no mistake about yourselves (particularly You, Coalminer, and Jimmy The Greek), YOU are ANTISEMITIC HATE MONGERS whom have expressed a desire to see Israelites and Jews – in general, eradicated from this earth. I hope you all get personally – REPEATEDLY sodomized by Ahmadinejad – YOU KNOW………..as an appetizer………… before – he nukes Israel!!!!

      • Charlie

        Walt,,,
        Can you or will you define the word Jew as defined in The Bible?,,,hint, those people in the state of Israel ARE NOT bloodline Jews… Well , who are they ? hint, bloodline lineage of Esau , brother of Jacob Israel… The state of Israel people are mostly the people King Jesus pointed out at Revelation 2:9, 3:9…
        1 Chronicles 16:13 tells you who God’s Chosen people are,,,also King Jesus says at Matthew 15:24 who His people are…

      • Charlie

        2forEnglish,,,
        How about you showing us the Bible definition of the word Jew ? Now don’t call Me anti-Semite ,,,I am of the lineage of Shem, at least mostly …Now remember there is a lineage split by God at the tower of Babel and a lineage split by God at Esau and Jacob Israel…
        OK? go…

    • Coalminer

      Ivan Hubscher:

      http://www.religioustolerance.org/god_cana.htm
      Mar 22, 2003 … “When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to … has found 600 passages of explicit violence in the Hebrew Bible [a.k.a. Old … Jewish and Christian conservatives generally believe in that the authors of the Bible

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Yes Ivan and god gave me the tool boots on the Gorge Washington bridge !

      • Ivan Hubscher

        Why do you not take your tool and your boots and jump? Focus on the question at hand. It was foreign aid, not your zenophobia.

  • Terry Bateman

    If Rand Paul deleted all federal spending on international affairs it would save $56 billion
    a year. The federal deficit is one trillion dollars a year. And he announces reductions in
    aid to Israel during a trip to Israel? And Obama gets blasted for being unsupportive of
    Israel? We can tell what Rand Paul’s political future is: A road to nowhere.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      56 billion is a good start , and think how much more could be saved when we don’t have to fight wars for the zionist state !

      • Ivan Hubscher

        Big Shot! are you not the same moron who wanted to jump off the GWB? You don’t even know how to spell the name of the first president, George Washington. Yet you can’t wait for the Iranian maniacs to get the nuclear bomb.

        You aren’t smart enough to understand that after Jerusalem is nuked, they will nuke the GWB with you, your tool, and your boots still trying to jump off.

        We have gone so far afield of the original question of foreign aid because you and your xenophobic ilk only want to kill Jews by whatever means. Talking to you is a waste of time because you are inviting the Islamo-Nazis to destroy you. Unfortunately, a lot of innocent people will pay the price for your treachery. Wake up, you idiot!

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Terry Bateman,

      You write: “And he announces reductions in aid to Israel during a trip to Israel?” It would go a long way toward propping up the Social Security system you were so worried about the other day.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Terry Bateman

        Obama propped up the Social Security program by raising SS witholding back to
        6.2% from 4.2%.If I had my way, all income would be subject to social security tax
        witholding. That would double revenues for Social Security.

        I am quite surprised that libertarians oppose Israel. How do libertarians feel about
        God, school prayer, posting the ten commandments in public places, teaching
        creation from the Bible in public schools?

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Terry Bateman,

          You write: “If I had my way, all income would be subject to social security tax witholding. (sic)” So you support government theft?

          You write: “How do libertarians feel about God, school prayer, posting the ten commandments in public places, teaching creation from the Bible in public schools?” You would need to ask one. There are probably as many answers as there are libertarians. I cannot speak for “libertarians.” Only myself.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Ivan Hubscher

        Bob, I sent you a private email discussing Xenophobia and racism. How about a comment about coalminer?

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Ivan Hubscher,

          You write: “Bob, I sent you a private email discussing Xenophobia and racism.” I will look for it.

          You write: “How about a comment about coalminer?” What type of comment would you have me make?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Ivan Hubscher

            Bob, is this not your BLOG? By asking what kind of comment is expected, you give the impression that you support the VICIOUS LIES and DISTORTIONS that coalminer has inserted into a discussion about foreign aid.

            As the blogger, it is your responsibility to keep the threads on topic and civil. By the way, I have not received your private response yet.

            Incidently, your response to 2forEnglish asking if she believed in the “theft by the government” is not dissimilar from Clinton distributing billions of taxpayer dollars to the enemies of the free world.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Ivan Hubscher,

            You write: “Bob, is this not your BLOG? By asking what kind of comment is expected, you give the impression that you support the VICIOUS LIES and DISTORTIONS that coalminer has inserted into a discussion about foreign aid.” Indeed it is. And as such I try and be as lenient as possible in allowing for discussion. After all, the word “Liberty” is in the masthead. Feel free to correct any “lies and distortions” you care to comment upon.

            You write: “By the way, I have not received your private response yet.” And I have not received your private message. Send it to yousoundoff@personalliberty.com and I will respond when I have the time.

            You write: “Incidently, your response to 2forEnglish…” I don’t believe I have responded to 2forEnglish at any time.

            You write: “…asking if she believed in the “theft by the government” is not dissimilar from Clinton distributing billions of taxpayer dollars to the enemies of the free world.” Two wrongs do not a right make.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

  • Steve

    Is there anything in the constitution about giving foreign aide? I think its one of those things the government does, but no constitutional basis for it.

    • Coalminer

      Ivan Hubscher and Bob livingston.
      Gentlemen:

      I am opposed to any kind of bigotry or racism and I also despise misogyny, homophobia, etc, There is no room in my heart for any form or any kind of bigotry.My religion and philosophy is agnostic-pantheist,we believe in nature and the universal creator,every living thing is unique.So spare me the name calling,Ivan.Any comments,Bob?

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Coalminer,

        You write: “Any comments,Bob?” The discussions would be much more enlightening if commenters refrained from resorting to ad hominems. Unfortunately, people hiding behind their keyboards are much less civil than when standing face-to-face.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        P.S. I have been considering an ad hominem-free day in which all comments containing ad hominems are removed. Unfortunately it would probably work the moderator into the grave.

  • Linda

    We should support Israel our only FRIEND IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
    We MUST CUT AID TO PAKISTAN,EGYPT and LIBIA .

    Our aid to ISRAEL should & could be under the table . Thank you LE

    • Don.W

      Thank you young lady, we always appreciate what support is offered us. Have a safe day.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Under the table ? better it be with around 5 ICBMs out of the sky then all the problems of the middle east would be solved !

      • Don.W

        You really are an complete idiot and anti-semite to boot.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Anti- Zionest !

    • Coalminer

      Linda,
      Baloney!

      • Toy

        Libya didn’t need any AID until we flattened it and killed its leader.
        Remember the USS Liberty!

      • Toy

        Libya didn’t need any AID until we flattened it and killed its leader.
        Remember the USS Liberty!

    • Charlie

      Linda,,,
      Do a search on USS Liberty and see a act of war against the US Navy by Israel in 1967…

  • Coalminer

    2forEnglish,That might come to a susprise my children whom are half Jewish and my granddaughter who had converted to Judaism.She and her husband are Non Zionist Jews.They are oppose to Israel.They believe Jews have no rightful claim to the so called home land known as Israel,it belongs to the Arabs.They belonged to the Humanistic Jewish faith.They are Pantheistic in belief,they believe that universe,nature and God are the same.And that is my belief also.

    • Coalminer

      Make no mistake about yourselves (particularly You, Coalminer, and Jimmy The Greek), YOU are ANTISEMITIC HATE MONGERS whom have expressed a desire to see Israelites and Jews – in general, eradicated from this earth. I hope you all get personally – REPEATEDLY sodomized by Ahmadinejad – YOU KNOW………..as an appetizer………… before – he nukes Israel!!!! 2forEnglish This is a reply for that silly rant of yours.I am not anti-semitic,anti zionist, yes

      • Coalminer

        Anti-zionist Jews:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dGFADOpJNo
        Jun 23, 2011 … About the Author(s)/Editor(s) & “Rabbi Oucast” Jack Ross attended … ElmerBerger was undoubtedly the best-known Jewish anti-Zionist during most of … Transforming America’s Israel Lobby:

    • 2forEnglish

      I don’t care what new age cult you say you are in………. referring to the Israelites as “Zionists” IN ITSELF…………is antisemitic and you are a complete traitor and a moron for perpetuating Hitler’s grandest lie of all – that the Jewish people are a RACE! You are so misguided it is not even funny, you should just join the KKK ……….for that way you don’t have to participate in this farce of a cult that uses the word “Jews” in its title – just so it can justify its antisemitic march against the Jewish people and their HOMELAND of Israel!!!! I’ve got nothing else to say to you as it’s clear to me that you and your little buddies are modern day agents of Hitler, who just look for topics that pertain to the Jews in any way – to use as a sounding board to spread your hateful message. The topic was of some interest, UNTIL…….. I noticed people like you using it as a public arena to spout off against the entire CONCEPT of Israel……….. though I, myself was already aware of both Ron and Rand Paul’s views on the topic of “USA giving foreign aid to Israel”. I will not be responding to anything else you have to say – as I simply won’t deal with those who prove themselves to be part of the IGNORAMI movement!

      • Ivan Hubscher

        2forEnglish, your assesment of coalminer is correct! However; having set himself up to appear as some kind of scholar makes others believe his venom.

        He uses DISCREDITED sources and UNSUBSTANTIATED statistics to try to prove his pathetic point. He never had any interest in discussing the subject of the article on forein aid. He just used it as a springboard to inject the VIRUS of his hate.

        What a virus does is disrupt the natural order of an organism. This makes his kind a disease which needs to be treated before it INFECTS those susceptible.

      • Walt

        2for English says:

        “Make no mistake about yourselves (particularly You, Coalminer, and Jimmy The Greek), YOU are ANTISEMITIC HATE MONGERS whom have expressed a desire to see Israelites and Jews – in general, eradicated from this earth. I hope you all get personally – REPEATEDLY sodomized by Ahmadinejad”

        Is your above comment to my historical references an example of the type of “high minded” input that you would like to see more of? Please reread my input! It represents historically accurate information, which does not imply hate, racism or any desire to “eradicate” anybody.

        I don’t know if you are Jewish or not, however, your comments are consistent with traditional Jewish behavior to throw out the word “ant-Semite” at the slightest criticism of anything Jewish. Just for the record, I believe that Jews have contributed immensely to Western civilization in many, many ways; such as in the sciences, in literature, in the arts and in particularly in the finance arena. However, like many cultures, there are good folks and bad, even among the Jewish people.

        Are we anti-Italian if we mention that Italians are the predominant members of the Mafia?
        Are we anti-Black if we mention that our prisons are mostly filled by African-Americans?
        Are we anti-Hispanic if we mention that the drug trafficking is done mostly by Hispanics?

        These are facts…plain and simple. There is nothing in my original comments that suggests a racist or anti-Semitic position about Jews.

        I would suggest that if your are so ready to pounce on anybody that even mentions the word “Jew” or “Jewish”, that perhaps you should find another message board to contribute to. As for me, I will not be intimidated, or silenced by your rediculous comment:

        “YOU are ANTISEMITIC HATE MONGERS”

    • Coalminer

      I Misspelt surprise.

  • Coalminer

    Walt,you speak volumes.I think we ruffle a view feathers on the subject of Zionism.The truth will set you free.Ivan doen’t know the truth,all he can do is rant,rave and call people names.Shalom (peace)be with you.

  • Coalminer

    I meant ruffle a few feathers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

    Coalminer;
    I have seen much of the historical fact you have presented, from other scholarly sources, and in my limited knowledge of history still believe it to be historically accurate, and therefore logic dictates that there is at least a legitimate question of who has a ‘right’ to Palestine. I guess that makes me an anti-Semite for saying that and if I was a Jew I’d be demonized with the label of Self Hater!
    The hysterical, mouth-foaming, hateful invective of the Ivan Hubschers of the world seem to carry much wieght in our politically correct world – I wonder why?
    What really troubles me is the seemingly anti-Semitic stance taken by many liberals and the blindly supportive stance of Isreal and Zionism taken by many conservatives. I count myself as a conservative and a Christian with an interest in ideas of Ludwieg Von Mieses et al.
    I also realize Isreal represents – sort of – an ally in the middle east against the very real and scarey threat of expanding Islam/Sharia. But I also realize that if Winston Churchill hadn’t gotten that bribe from that rich Zionist, and the British Mandate had some other outcome, that many of the problems in the middle east just wouldn’t be there – I think.
    As for all the foriegn aid to Israel, I think that is a part of the problem of American Empire building, and does the support of Isreal represent legitimate hegemeny or a mistaken – and doomed to destruction of America – pursuit of Empire?
    In any event, the last thing America should be doing now – for America’s sake – is to be giving away it’s wealth, to any body, until it can fix it’s own problems. If America can survive this onslaught of the NWO and regain it’s health and wealth, then by all means help the world, but she can’t really help anybody if she’s sick herself.
    I hope for the best for America and all who believe in freedom and goodwill and hope that all the men and women and children in the world who are good people have the chances to fulfill their own destinies and dreams.

    • Coalminer

      Dan Mancuso:

      Thank you.I couldn’t said it any better

    • Walt

      Excellent analysis Dan. Thank you for your contributing thoughts.

      The issue of Israel is a difficult one for many Americans, since the Muslims have been on the warpath for decades against the West. Most Americans look at the hundreds of violent acts perpetrated by the Muslims globally, their intolerance towards all cultures and religions, and tend to side with Israel, which is politically structured as a Democracy.

      To the Muslims, Israel represents a “Western foothold” in the Middle East, no different than when the Crusaders held Jerusalem. They are dedicated to removing this “foothold” at any cost, regardless of the cost in blood and treasure to both sides.

      Israel, on the other hand, has not exactly been “our friend” throughtout the last 60 or so years. There have been numerous cases of Jewish-Americans who have been caught spying on behalf of Israel, including members within our State Dept. and military. Let’s also not forget the Liberty incident, where Israel attacked an American warship and tried to make it look like it was the Egyptians who did it. Again, American politicians turned a blind eye to “our friend”. I could go on with several more examples, but I think you get the drift.

      As to providing foreign aid to Israel, I tend to side with you on this issue. America is providing financing aid to Israel, Pakistan, Egypt, Russia and dozens of other countries with borrowed money. How rediculous is that?

      Much of the “foreign aid” is obligated to be recycled back to purchase military hardware from our own American companies, like Boeing, General Dynamics, etc. So in effect, foreign aid is an indirect way to shuffle borrowed “monopoly” money from the Federal Reserve, to large companies in our own military/industrial complex, of which President Eisenhower warned us about. Passing on the bill to our grandchildren, so dictators can fatten their Swiss bank accounts and American bankers and CEO’s can pay themselves tremendous salaries.

      In addition, we provide military support to Afghanistan, South Korea and Nato. Hundreds of thousands of our military men and women are positioned around the globe at tremendous expense to our economy, so that Europeans, South Koreans and others can sleep well at night, knowing that American patriots stand on the wall to protect them from evil doers.

      This is exactly how Rome eventually collapsed. It’s time we realize that we can no longer run a global empire, buying influence on credit, providing aid to people that spit in our face, and plot behind the scenes to undermine our way of life and culture.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

        Walt and Coalminer;
        In that profound and heroic speech by President Eisenhower, on his last day in office, he changed the term he coined at the last minute – the “Millitary-Industrial-Complex” – from the more aptly named, “Millitary-Industrial-Congressional-Complex”!
        Have you read Michael Collins-Piper’s book on the JFK assassination called (I think) “The Final Solution”? He of course was labeled an anti-Semite for his efforts, but I found his premise believable and scarey. This is still on topic with aid to Israel. I would appreciate any feedback from you guys on this.

      • Coalminer

        Dan Mancuso

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_pNihprbG4
        Jun 21, 2012 … in this 56 minute interview, Mr Tillawi discusse with Mr Piper about his book ‘The Golem’. The book discusses about Israels nuclear arsenal and Zionism.

      • Coalminer

        Dan Mancuso

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcuyVjphpl0
        May 18, 2012 … Michael Collins Piper on The Intel Hub Radio – Zionism and the New World …Michael Collins Piper, Judas Goats on Texe Marrs showby …

      • Coalminer

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2v2VSAgFAY
        Dec 5, 2010… to be a connection between Zionism and Nazism and here is the proof. … The Illuminati & Dajjal Part 18 (Skull & Bones, Nazism and Zionism)

  • Coalminer

    What ever happen to Liberty Train and Eyes Wide Open?

  • http://google Sandra

    1440 BC The Hebrew Israelites came back to the land promised to Abraham by Yahweh God of the chosen people and the Christians. The area was called Canaan. Later changed to Palestine by the Romans. Islam didn’t come around until 650 AD. Jews have a legal right to the land. Israel is the only democracy in the region and America should support their ally. The rest of the Arab nations are radical terrorist. Rand Paul should have his salary cut off along with the rest of the globalist regime in DC. I am African American, republican ,conservative, Christian and I love Israel.

    • Coalminer

      Sandra,
      That is not true.That is like saying that the American Indians a thousand years from now and lay claim to what is known as United States,telling the fellow citizens this country no longer belongs to them. They have to get out.You got your sources from the Bible which is not only inaccurate,but pure fiction.

  • Terry Bateman

    Yes, Bob. I support “government theft” from our paychecks to pay for social security,
    medicare, medicaid, etc. because it forces people to set aside money for a pension
    after their working days are over and a health care plan. Millions of people would enter
    their retirement years with absolutely no income and and no health insurance if they
    were not forced to have social security and medicare deducted (stolen) from their
    paychecks. They would spend all their paychecks and not set aside one dime for
    retirement.

    Terry Bateman

    • Walt

      Just curious….how do millions or perhaps hundreds of millions of people around the globe manage to live without Social Security and Medicare in their own countries? Is not having these programs an automatic death sentence on these populations? How did hundreds of millions of Americans survive old age before, from the period of the 1620′s util the 1930′s?

      Part of the answer is that in 2nd & 3rd world countries, as well as in American family units prior to the 1930′s, families were more inclined to save for their old age, the children of older citizens participated in supporting their parents and healthcare was more affordable.

      Once the government and the insurance industry got involved in providing “alternatives”, the incentives to hold the cost on healthcare was dropped, the family unit was destroyed, and children no longer felt obligated to contribute to supporting their aging parents.

      • rvncibeib1sgret

        Walt says (in part)Part of the answer is that in 2nd & 3rd world countries, as well as in American family units prior to the 1930′s, families were more inclined to save for their old age, the children of older citizens participated in supporting their parents and healthcare was more affordable.
        ______________________________________________________________________
        Nowadays Walt, The amount that the government took from a workers wages (and the amount was matched by his/her employer), was all the savings that a person could afford because they clothed and fed those kids, and had little else leftover to save much less to pay the bills. Kids rarely support the parents nowadays and chances are more adult children remain with their parents until they are very elderly or worse. You can’t punish the retired for relying on their social security if that is all they have. It is after all, their money too.

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