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Racists For Obama

May 11, 2012 by  

Racists For Obama
STAFF PHOTO BY SAM ROLLEY
Blacks supported Barack Obama over John McCain in 2008 by a margin of almost 24-1.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to raise the issue of racism in this year’s Presidential election. The answer came sooner than I expected. Last week, The New York Times ran the story “4 Years Later, Race Is Still Issue for Some Voters.”

In case you thought the story might be an exposé of the virulent hatred of America by some of President Barack Obama’s more extreme supporters (such as his longtime pastor Jeremiah Wright), forget about it. That’s old news and obviously not worth discussing any more. Heck, for the mainstream media, it was hardly worth discussing four years ago.

Nor was the story about the near unanimity of black voters to support a member of their own race worth discussing. Obama is expected to receive 95 percent of the black vote this year, just as he did in 2008 — no matter who his opponent is or what the issues are. Of course, there’s nothing racist in that.

No, the emphasis of the story was on how a tiny minority of white voters –especially those in “economically depressed regions with high proportions of white working-class residents” — said they wouldn’t vote for Obama because he is black.

So it’s OK for blacks to vote for Obama specifically because he is black. But it’s racist if a white votes for another white because of his skin color. Does anyone see a bit of a double standard here?

Of course, such bias (dare I say prejudice) has been around for a long time. Many liberals believe the only way to make up for decades of discrimination is to go overboard the other way. “Equality” wasn’t enough; we needed affirmative action and a new kind of discrimination.

Thus, it has become perfectly OK for this country to commemorate Black History Month. And, of course, every college that wants to keep its professors happy better offer a bunch of courses celebrating black achievements. But can you imagine the furor that would erupt if anyone dared propose teaching a class on white achievements?

What got the Times reporter so rattled was her concern that Obama’s race could keep him from being re-elected this year. As Sabrina Tavernise explained, “As Mr. Obama braces for what most signs suggest will be a close re-election battle, race remains a powerful factor among a small minority of voters.”

Of course she means a “small minority” of white voters. Had she broadened her survey to include blacks, she could have written that race mattered to “a large majority.” In fact, it matters to a very large majority. Blacks supported Barack Obama over John McCain in 2008 by a margin of almost 24-1. But of course there’s nothing racist about that.

The Obama campaign is doing everything it can to make sure that this particular history repeats itself. There is even a special section on the campaign website on “The Obama Administration’s Accomplishments for the African American Community.” Click here to see what I am writing about.

Then Tavernise hits her audience with the zinger:

“Given Ohio’s critical importance as a swing state that will most likely be won or lost by the narrowest of margins, the fact that Mr. Obama’s race is a deal-breaker for even a small number of otherwise loyal Democrats could have implications for the final result.”

Now that is a bunch of baloney. What are the odds that someone who voted for Obama four years ago (when he carried Ohio by a comfortable margin) will vote for his opponent this year because Obama is black? Does she really think this is something the voters didn’t know in 2008? Her argument that anti-black bigotry could cost Obama the election this year is ridiculous.

If Obama loses, it won’t be because a majority of voters reject his race. It will be because they reject his policies.

What Republicans Should Do

Faced with the fact that blacks will once again overwhelmingly vote for Obama this year, what should Republicans do?

The most absurd argument I’ve heard is that they should select Condoleezza Rice as Mitt Romney’s running mate. Sure thing. And how much of the black vote will go to Romney because he has a black female on the ticket?

Let’s face facts: If Romney got four times as many black votes as McCain did four years ago, that would still be as insignificant as a mosquito biting the Hulk. In 2008, the black vote came to 12.1 percent of the total. Obama captured 95 percent of it. Does anyone think there is anything Romney could do to keep Obama from getting the overwhelming majority of it again?

Nominating Condoleezza as Vice President to fragment the black vote makes as much sense as choosing a union leader to make inroads in the union vote. Or a bureaucrat to get the government worker vote.

If Romney is to have any kind of chance this year, he must select someone who will get potential voters to work like crazy for his election. Those dedicated doorbell pushers and yard-sign displayers aren’t going to come from the liberal side of the ledger.

To use a phrase you’ve heard hundreds times before (and will hear a thousand more times before this November), Romney has to choose a candidate — and stake out positions — who will motivate the base. That isn’t Rice.

Heck, I suspect it isn’t even a black whose views I do support, such as Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell or Representative Allen West. Although any of those three articulate defenders of American principles would sure add some fire to the race. Could you see any of the three debating Joe Biden? Now, that’s a confrontation I’d pay good money to see.

I hope the left will continue to bang on the “if you oppose Obama you must be a racist” drum because the more they do, the more votes it will cost them. This one just doesn’t play in Peoria anymore. In fact, the only place it does work is the Obamas’ former church. Oh, and maybe Al Sharpton’s congregation.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • ash splinter

    is this guy serious? golly gee there’s no racism in white America anymore. he may want to read a few comments on this site. one. two at the most. i could go on but why bother. how’s things going in selling the rubes gold?

    • http://naver samurai

      I see we have forgotten about the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other surly groups as they are part of the white community, I just think they are nutjobs for the left. No racism in white America? You’ve just played the race card by saying white and not caucasian. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Patriot II

        Samurai; just got a joke in my email that explains some things:

        “While stitching up a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, whose hand was caught in the squeeze gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his role as our Campaigner in Chief.

        The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘Post Turtle”.
        Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him, what a ‘post turtle’ was. The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.

        The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor’s face so he continued to explain. “You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he’s up there, he’s elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just Wonder what kind of Propaganda put him up there to begin with.”

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Patriot II, that’s a great joke if you want to call it that. It seems appropriate and true. Can I use it?

      • Sharr

        B.O. 50% Caucasian.
        B.O. maybre 10% black.
        B.O. approx. 40% muslim.
        Face it America.

      • Doris Carman

        How can you say its racist to say “white instead of caucasian” when you say “black instead of negro or African”?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        SIC ‘EM samurai!!! Whatzup Bro? Say hey to sook for me! I’ve been BLESSED with many black friends over ny 53 yrs., having grown up during the late 60′s, early 70′s era when the racial tensions were at their worse, I must say that we’ve come a looong way since the days of the old Jim Crow Laws. As far as we’ve come though, the tensions are in some ways worse than they’ve EVER been! You see you have haters on both sides of the racial devide which will have no part what-so-ever with any part of racial HARMONY!!! From groups like the New Black Panthers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhzJnJIilI, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2n3vJo7Xo&feature=related, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-9EzShQxlI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-9EzShQxlI&feature=related, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VqG_4ADFfQ&feature=related) to the white supremist groups such as White Pride World Wide (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPbMsZM-eO4, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hul16UxbSIk&feature=related, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpt2t_vDo-s&feature=related), so the problem that exists today is worse, in the sense that the HATERS on ALL sides (And it isn’t just black and white!) become more enraged and thus more violent the more that the barriers come down! Racial intolarence has been one of the MAIN sticking points in the incompletion of the American Dream and even more importantly a blatant refusal to obey Christ’s command!!!

        “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” – Gal. 3:28 (KJV)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=AXjrtsCRCL8&feature=endscreen
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V3azb9XXWE&feature=related

        Let us pray; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnPVP23rzo

      • TML

        I really don’t see any racism in that joke at all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        LOL!!! A freakin’ post turtle is a FREAKIN’ post turtle, what in the HELL else are ya gonna call it?!! That was GOOD PatriotI LOL!!! I pray that the doctor wasn’t one of those Kool-Aid drinkin’ libtards!!! HEY KOOL-AID! BEWARE!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-rTHOpgxE&feature=autoplay&list=PL1D442DEEB436DADB&playnext=2

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

        Do you follow satan or God, a simple question for those who think they are smarter then God.

      • http://naver samurai

        Everything for God and country. Always God and country.

    • eddie47d

      Race and racism is brought up every week on this site Samurai so who is stirring up trouble? Besides those groups you mentioned are far right extremists. So what kind of teacher did you say you were? To set the record straight can blacks be racists? Absolutely Farrakhan is a prime example but his influence has never gone main stream like that of the Klan (as an example).

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Eddie I will point out your lie again, KKK is a democratic organization that hides behind the mask so there black neighbors wont string him up when he is not with his other KKK nut job buddies running aroung burning stuff in their PJs.

      • Jody L

        In reply to Brad:
        ‘running aroung burning stuff in their PJs’

        Thanks for making me laugh this morning. That is a funny visual!

      • DaveH

        Eddie says that race and racism is brought up every week.
        So, Eddie, who brings it up? Every time I’ve seen the issue presented it was brought up by a Liberal.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        eddie you are talking thru your hat. While the klan MIGHT have been mainstream at one time it is insignificant footnote now. The klan is less influential now than Farrakhan and WAY WAY less influential than those other bastions of racism Jessie and Al.

      • robowang

        WOW you are ill informed.
        As was noted, the KKK is a SOUTHERN DEMOCRAT CREATED organization. It’s fact, get over it and stop lying to yourself.
        But here’s the kicker.
        I live within 5 miles of what once was the bastion of KKK teritory in Nothern Alabama. 2 decades ago, they wereee very active and actually astopped trafic at the corners to solicit donations 2-3 times a year.
        They are essentially gone, and what remains of the KKK is 90% FBI Informants.
        There IS no KKK left anymore.
        So that canard and straw man is just buffoonery. lil’ buddy.

      • JeffH

        eddie, your continued obsession with “the Klan” is really just that, an obsession.

        …from Ann Coulter: “If it were true that conservatives were racist, sexist, homophobic, fascist, stupid, inflexible, angry, and self-righteous, shouldn’t their arguments be easy to deconstruct? Someone who is making a point out of anger, ideology, inflexibility, or resentment would presumably construct a flimsy argument. So why can’t the argument itself be dismembered rather than the speaker’s personal style or hidden motives? Why the evasions?”

        “With their infernal racial set-asides, racial quotas, and race norming, liberals share many of the Klan’s premises. The Klan sees the world in terms of race and ethnicity. So do liberals! Indeed, liberals and white supremacists are the only people left in America who are neurotically obsessed with race. Conservatives champion a color-blind society.”

        As a matter of fact, what can one expect from silly white liberals at this point, so many of whom are so obsessed with race that they’ve become parodies of themselves.

      • JeffH

        Perhaps most telling is the explanation offered by Representative Allen West.

        “Liberal Racism does not believe in One Nation under God. They believe in a Nation of subjects organized into collective groups under which they shall rule, not govern, in a secular humanist based society.

        Indivisible, Liberal Racism does not believe in “e pluribus unim”, they prefer a balkanized America where they can pit us against each other through their manipulated messages….such as Tea Party racism.

        Liberal racism does not believe in Liberty and Justice for All, they believe in freedom defined by a ruling class elite while creating more victims who become dependent upon their dishonest benevolence.”

        So there you have it. In a nutshell, the Left is obsessed with race because…

        A. Their arguments aren’t nearly as good, so why not change the topic to an accusation of racism? And,

        B. It’s part of an overall strategy to pit different groups against one another, impede any progress toward racial indifference, harmony and acceptance and create strife at every turn in order to create various sub-categories of victims.

      • eddie47d

        There are also 59 right wing conspiracy groups in California Jeff who also advocate for various take overs of government,see commies under every rock,believe in incarcerating their local “enemies” or are just plain paranoid. Some of those 59 are economic based or militia groups so you have plenty to choose from to propagandize your “open mind”. Heck we (Progressives) need a can opener to pry open some of the minds around here.

      • JeffH

        Gee eddie, you’re so far left of left you can’t even keep track of the conversation…think simpleminded.

        You said “There are also 59 right wing conspiracy groups in California Jeff who also advocate for various take overs of government…”.

        59 right wing conspiracy groups in California? Excuse me while I laugh in your face, out loud! LMAO! Considering California is overrun with and wholly controlled by progressives I’d really like, for once, that you could cite the source of your information gathering…think delusional mind.

        You(didn’t)hurt my feelings by mentioning my state, California, but you’re so ignorant you tried…think loser.

        Whatever does your response have to do with your “Klan” obsession or that it is you ignorant liberals that tend to be the ones that bring “race” into a conversation?

        CLUE: NOTHING!

        Stupid is as stupid does…life(eddie’s)is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get!
        Forrest Gump
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

        God proves one thing, everyone knows more then He does, He laughs at your stupid remarks because it has already been spelled out but, then those little gods who know more then the Creator, think they have the answers, foolish, stupid and satanic by nature. Get a life, ask the real God to give you insight and forget your little godhood idea’s.

      • David Deal

        Finally a voice of reason. First of all Blacks vote Democrat overwhelmingly all of the time and they just came out stronger when finally they felt they had a candidate who would really understand them. Is that such a bad thing. Women almost always favor Dems too. And increasingly younger people too because they are less racist and more tolerant and progressive on socail issues. It is the racist extreme right’s attempt to justify their own racism, sexism, and homophobia that drives their twisted efforts to misinform.

        • shavager

          Get your facts straight bubba, it’s NOT Tea Party or Conservatives that’s trying to FORCE Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham or Ann Coulter OFF THE AIR, it’s NOT GOP trying to STOP reporting about OWEbumbler’s background of radicals from his muslim communist daddy, or about his self admitted COMMUNIST mentor Frank Marshall Davis, or his former “green czar” self admitted COMMUNIST Van Jones, it’s OWEbumbler’s former media advisor Anita Dunn that says Mao Tse Tung is her “favorite philosopher”–the same MAO who MURDERED MILLIONS in China, it’s OWEbumbler’s regulatory czar Cass Sunstein who says YOU are PROPERTY OF THE GOVT., OWEbumbler’s “science czar” John Holdren believes in FORCED STERILIZATION AND ABORTION, BELIEVES IN FORCING FAMILIES TO BE LIMITED TO 2 CHILDREN. It’s LEFTWING radicals and communists that DOMINATE the DemocRAT party destroying private and public property at Occupy protests, that threaten and beat Tea Party group members and Conservatives–$7 MILLION in damage to capital in Madison Wisc, $5 MILLION more damage in California. It’s NOT GOP, Conservatives or Tea Party members arrested and charged with attempted bombing of a Cleveland, Ohio bridge, it’s NOT Tea Party or Conservatives threatening RACE WAR or putting out BOUNTYS on people NOT tried or convicted in Fla for a tragic event. It wasn’t Tea Party, GOP or Conservatives with batons threatening voters at the polls in Pennsylvania in ’08, or participating in voter FRAUD LIKE ACORN HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          David Deal, people vote Democratic because they feel like they’re going to get more of what they already have: more freebies and more rights; things like abortion, free birth control, all of the social give away programs, now it’s going to be nationally recognized same sex marriages, all the while the good ole government will finish tightening down the lid on real freedom in this country. We’re losing our right to free speech in this country and part of that problem is due to all of this political correctness stuff. We certainly don’t want to hurt anybodies feelings by saying the truth now do we? We will lose our right to decide what kind of medical care we want and who we want to give it if Obama care passes the Supreme Court. What are they going to do: lock somebody up if they don’t buy into Obama Care? What about our rights to a fair trial?

          My son related a story about a friend of his in the radiator repair business. Somebody spotted some anti-freeze on the floor of his shop and the EPA came in and fined him $45,000 dollars and when he complained that it wasn’t fair they told him that it wasn’t a matter of fairness or guilt it was a matter that if they showed up he was going to get fined for something.

      • vicki

        Very funny eddie47d, and you are correct that the race card is played often in the comments on this site. I have been informally tracking the first use in each thread and as far as I can tell it has always been played first by a liberal. I have even pointed out the “first use” in some of the threads. Once in a while a faux conservative will play it but further sturdy of their writing shows them to be agents provocateur.

      • CitySurvivor

        Back in the late 80′s, the “head” of the KKK, David Duke ran for president. He entered the DEMOCRAT primary along with Jesse Jackson and the other “usual suspects”. A few years later he won a state position in an area of the LA bayous while running as a republican. Ever since that day he was known as a “republican”. Duke hadn’t been involved with the 3 k’s for years, when he won, but whenever his name is brought up by the media, he’s an “R”. During his “hate” years, he was a prominent “D”.

      • eddie47d

        No Vickie it is ALWAYS brought up by the author,the headline of the day or the pictures being used. Now tell me you didn’t notice that.

      • eddie47d

        CITY; That can’t be denied but that is also not the issue. In the old days they were CONSERVATIVE Democrats and now they are CONSERVATIVE Republicans. He didn’t change sheets only the party.

      • vieteravet

        you forgot NBPP, black theologians like wright, there’s alot of black racists. Two reporters get attacked in Virgina by 30 or so blacks. A white kid gets set on fire because he’s WHITE! Go to Philly and spend an evening in center city, you’ll believe they are racists!

        • truesoy

          vieteravet,
          Although it makes for an excited race issue that a white boy was set on fire by racist black boys, it did not happen, at least I can’t find it nowhere.
          On the other hand I found an story from MO where a 13 year old was set on fire but not because of race, but because of bullying by another boy that happens to be white. Yes vieteravet, the suspect is white 17 year old boy named Joseph Gardner.

          Source of my information: kmbc 9 news MO.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • shavager

            There you go again–February 2012, Kansas City, Kansas–13 year old white boy burned by two blacks with gas–KC police detective investigating case is Stacey Taylor. How ’bout some MO? April 5-Toledo, Ohio 78 yr old white man beaten by group of blacks yelling: “this is for Trayvon”. April 9–Gainesville, Fla–white male beaten by 5-8 blacks yelling “Trayvon”-he has permanent facial disfigurement. March 17-St. Patick’s Day–white man beaten unconcious and robbed by 4 blacks. April 23, Mobile, Alabama–Matthew Owens in coma, critical condition after being beaten by group of 20 blacks wielding pipes, bricks, chairs–”That’s JUSTICE for Trayvon.” Now we have 4 blacks in hoodies beating and stomping a white soldier in Tampa Fla. in past couple of days. J.Christian Adams, former DOJ lawyer says Eric Holder has a “HOSTILITY” towards bringing cases for prosecution if victims are white and the perpertrators are BLACK. He says Holder’s attitude is “giving the gangstas the green light”.

          • vieteravet

            Who the hell is this Truesoy? I read his comments, and he’s really stupid or a flat out liar. When you suck at teat of Obama, you’ll believe anything. Good posts shavager!
            From and old MSgt.

          • truesoy

            viteravet;
            …and who is this ‘truesoy’. Well, it’s me.
            About the case of the white kid set on fire by two 16 year old blacks in Kansas city, Kansas as more questions than answers, and the police is still investigating, though no arrests have been made.
            One question the detectives have about the story is how, by account of the victim/mother, he was able to put out the fire using a ‘gasoline soacked shirt’. This don’t make sense, does it? Another piece of the puzzle they can’t figure out is how anyone could be doused with gasoline as he claims, yet received only first degre burns.
            No one knows much about this case yet, but one thing for sure, it has served to inflame racial tensions.
            There are those who see their agenda served by this, and are ven insinuating of a covered up by a police unwilling to arrest ‘blacks’ for hate crimes. Obviously this is only for the weak of mind to believe for the police can’t arrest without a suspect.
            This is not a ‘Zimmerman/Trayon’ like case
            But one thing for sure is that many people are starting to question the veracity of the claims made by the victim and his mother.
            However ie star of a hate crime to later find out it wasn’t so. Remember the ‘white girl’ who was forcibly tattoo by ‘black’ Obama supporters during the 2008 election to later find out it was self-inflicted? is not the first time that a ‘black’ is said to be the culprit when he is not, but we will eventually know the truth.
            You know, and I’m not saying it could not be true, but that it is to ‘conveniently timed’, not to question it.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • Jeff

        Let’s see. The last time we knew for a fact that overt racism was a major fact in American political life was during the 60s (remember George Wallace, Jim Crow, etc., etc.). Remember how the racist South used to vote Democrat because of antipathy to Lincoln? Right after LBJ passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts (1964 and 1965), Southern Democrats all became Republicans. Within a few years, the South was solidly Republican. What changed? Did the people change? Somewhat they did, but the racist attitudes didn’t change that quickly. Face it, the entire conservative movement since about 1980 owes its vitality to racism – not as overt as prior to 1970, but just as real.

        • Deerinwater

          I’d say that was a fairly accurate assessment Jeff. The problem seem to be there really is no single party that fills an one persons “shopping list”

          If the race issue is satisfied there will be something else to divide the people. It could be the “fairy” issue, the pro choice or right to life as they call it.

          This dividing is deliberate, entrenched power does not want a united people.

          When you couple these dividing issues with a candidate that is willing to say what ever is necessary to get you vote ~ Houston , We’ve got a problem.

          Even the Tea Party movement has bee infiltrated by these “people” .

          Governor Rick Scot of Florida is showing his “conservative muscles” one minute and influence peddling the next and giving things away the next.

          As too with Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin, ~ they haven’t behaved well when no one was looking either.

          Governor Rick Perry has managed to start drawing a health state pension before he even retires.

          This behavior is discouraging when it comes from people claiming a higher calling and a watch dog for the “peoples money”

          There is a lot of clean house that needs to take place. ~ We can’t believe what these sons of bucks say. ~ too many lie! You can’t take them at their word or the company they keep.

    • Warrior

      I for one am so past this “race war” issue. I’ve moved on to the “war against fat people” I’m in favor of putting ropes in front of the bus and instead of the fat kids getting on the bus they will have to get in front and pull the bus. Now that’s what I call moving “Forward”.

      Oops, I just had a “progressive” moment!

      • Average Joe

        “Oops, I just had a “progressive” moment!”

        Ok, that’s it…30 whacks with an idiot stick! We’ll have no more of that around here! ;)

      • http://naver samurai

        D’oh! :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://www.facebook.com/joelscopeland Joel Copeland

        LOL

      • Nanna Gail

        Gee wiz Eddie: I don’t know about your suggestion of puting the “Fat” kids in front to tow the bus. How far do you think they would get before collapsing? :) And before anyone starts getting on my case, I am NOT saying they should be put to towing the bus.

        I had never been fat in my life. But once I got over my mid to late thirties, I started gaining weight. Then I had my son at age 40 years and metablism brke down completely, thus I gained a lot more weight, which I have been trying to lose ever since.

        My in-laws have gone to great pains to make hurtful suggestions about my weight. Now, because of the stress they caused me, I have gained MORE weight.

        See, my point is, the more you use something against someone, ie: WEIGHT, RACE, etc., the worse it gets.

        But Liberals and the Leftists, will never understand that.

        Let’s just forget about race and concentrate on finding a way to rid America of these disasterous Marxists.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

        Forward has been used by Marxist, Communist and all those who want a one world government ruled by the little god satan, he has so many fooled it would be laughable if it wasn’t for where they will spend eternity with their little god.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Ash , the reason you see this is because minorities have gotten a free ride for many years, decades and now Obama plays the race card all the time. Affirmative action has destroyed many companies from growing as they should have and minorities took positions from many whites that were better for that position. If you read my post in here yesterday I wrote about the damage affirmative action has done through the words of a friend of mine that is in upper management for one the major mortgage companies. He has blacks coming back from lunch high and drunk and fall asleep on their key boards, (more like pass out) and can do nothing to these idiots without getting sued, Employers with over 50 employees are suffering bad from this exact example. It is rediculous. Look, that was 200 years ago, get over it. How can I be blamed because some black guy’s great, great, great grand father sold him into slave trade. Get pissed off at their own ancestors and leave us alone.
      Hech the black slave back then was now in a better world than he left, doging spears, tigers and the threat of his grass hut being burnt down by another black. They still kill off their own race right here in America more than any other race. You are delusional.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Brad:
        You say Blacks come back from lunch being drunk or high. Well, at my Job, it’s whites that are doing the same thing. Heck, my white boss is so incompetent that he lets clients leave doors to the work facility unlocked and wide open after work. As a result, my facility has pest problems plus homeless people wondered in a couple times. Thus, this dilemma goes both ways. However, you’re right about abolishing affirmative action. We need a policy of neutrality that enforces the 1964 civil right verbatim which was created to enforce the 14th with 1st amendments of the constitution. Thanks!! TGIF!!

      • paintedponey

        Right on Brad, Continue to say it like it .

      • Mike in MI

        Brad, I’m not sure they appreciated being in a “better place than Africa”??? Having your freedom forcibly taken from you – like Obama is trying to do. You don’t seem so happy about it. Look at it this way:
        wouldn’t you rather be in a situation where you don’t have to dodge nearly so many of the slings and arrows of malicious fate, have to work so hard for your bread (up to $500.00/month provided by the state), have to slave 30-40 years to pay off your mortgage instead of having Obanksterama it pay for you out of his “stash” he saved just for you, save to send your kids to school (Obama will loan them money and let them skip out), etc. All those wonderful things – but you still think you want to stay in your present status instead of giving up some of your freedoms in exchange for Obama’s, Reid’s, McConnell’s, Boehner’s and Pelosi’s help? Funny, it’s difficult for you to understand the once free African’s dislike of being shipped over here to work for some brain-baked “Suthun’ gennimun”.
        However, I wonder about one odd matter regarding our neighbors whose forbears were forcibly removed from Africa:
        Why are their kids now turning in droves to Islam? Hasn’t anyone ever told them that muslim raiders used to travel all over Africa hunting down the natives like animals for the purpose of taking them to inlets and coastal meeting places. There they’d wait for the ships to come and the Muslims sold their human wares to the freightlines.
        And NOW they want to put themselves under that domination again – and pay off the imams to make them slaves anew?????????

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          so what is your point Mike, that they are just idiots without any pupose at all? It was their own ancestors that put them in slave trade in the first place.

      • sarge

        Hey Tony if its a white screwing up FIRE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO CHANCE OF GETTING SUED!

      • http://none 1 Son of Liberty

        Right on brad! Just look what it did to the auto industry. My mother had to stand and wait for a car in the repair department. The super would not let them sit down and wait for a car. After affirmative action got all the blacks in the plant they would sit and wait for a car in the repair dept. After that everyone would sit around. One would come to work drunk every day and drank at work on break and at lunch. They could not even fire a total drunk because of his race. Now that’s racist to the extreme. The way I see it the auto bailouts were just to help the blacks some more. The ratio of blacks working at the big three coincides with the downfall of the American auto industry. Poor quality and recalls are a result of AA. Just the way I have seen it.

        I will probably buy a foreign car next time since the racist in Detroit have threatened to burn the city down if the state has to take over the city. That’s because the Governor is white. They want tax dollars from the rest of us through the state but want to spend it a they please. I am against any of my tax dollars going to Detroit because of the racism there. They tried to burn the city down in 67 and they are doing it now. The liberal media just doesn’t report on it.

        The problem is the millions in water bills unpaid and the millions in taxes. Lets face it black just don’t pay their bills. Proven fact just check the records in Detroit. Every few years they have a tax amnesty in Detroit. I guess the city I live in would be broke if we just didn’t pay our bills and to reward our irresponsibility they gave us amnesty on the taxes and water bills. since most of the workers who are supposed to collect taxes and such are black they just don’t do their jobs either. it’s a vicious cycle of incompetence and irresponsibility. Facts are Facts

        Not a Racist
        Just not silent anymore.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          1 son – yes it is a huge issue. WE bought foreign cars this time around built right here in America by Americans because I will not support the union thugs. I know that hurts the union workers that have very little to do with the bosses. But you have to start at the bottom to get to the top at all cost.

      • CitySurvivor

        Brad…1 Son……Just bough my 1st Hyundai….(No obama motors cars ( I traded my Buick),
        ever, for me or family.) It was made in the USA. I know, I know…FORD isn’t OMotors, but they’ve built their last 2 state of the art assembly plants in Mexico and Brazil. GM’s building in China and Mexico and who knows where Chrysler’s churning out their drek.

        I don’t feel guilty at all. This is my 1st “non big 3 ” car I’ve ever purchased. (I’m 65 yrs old, vet, college, all that stuff…..do I fit into a “demographic” ????…lol…)

      • Jeff

        Brad:

        You are deeply in denial and need help. Yes, there is dysfunction in the Black community but is that due to some defect in Black people? Or is it more likely due to generations of Government policies designed to subjugate Black people? You throw out 200 years as a figure as if it means something. Effective slavery didn’t even begin to end until the 1960s. It’s only been the current generation that’s grown up without the oppressive baggage of segregation and overt hostility from people like you (at least a lot more of them). The stories you tell about Black workers getting high at lunch sound like the apocryphal stories the Gipper used to tell about Welfare Queens, Big Black Bucks, etc. If you think the Reagan campaign (launched in Philadelphia, Mississippi) wasn’t racist at its core, you’re not really thinking.

    • Patriot II

      Ash, what’s your point? speak plainly not in Riddles that only people who understand you, can understand. People like you who speak like you do, obviously have a Mental Illness.

    • Flashy

      “Obama is expected to receive 95 percent of the black vote this year, just as he did in 2008 — no matter who his opponent is or what the issues are. Of course, there’s nothing racist in that.”

      And Ron Paul garnered a large majority of the white supremist vote. Is that meaning Paul is a white supremist racist?

      And Romney will garner almost all of the Mormon vite…does that mean he is anti christian?

      Jeesh ….

      • Doug

        And don’t forget flushy obamalamadingdong will get all the turds votes from turds like you! You know what they say turds that plop together stay together. People who cry racist are usually the racist and I can tell you there way to many racist black people.

      • DaveH

        Flashman, as usual, cites a fabricated fact.
        Show us some proof, Flashman, that white supremists vote for Ron Paul.
        You surely don’t expect anybody on this board (except the Progressive Zealots) to take your word for it, since you have no credibility?

      • JeffH

        Stupid is as stupid does
        Forrest Gump

      • eddie47d

        Flashy’s point was valid but as always it goes over the heads of Conservative who are deliberately racist . They won’t admit it Flashy even when it smacks them upside the head.

      • Flashy

        http://newsone.com/1748295/top-10-racist-ron-paul-friends-supporters/

        Here ya are DaveH. Now…does that prove anything about whether Ron paul is racist/ of course not. yet it does with President Obama?

      • toptiermentor

        No what proves it is racist is that Obama has hurt all americans, but especially hurt “his” people because of his policies. What also is sad to me is that Obama’s actions and words are so incredibly racist. He is the most racist leader we have in our country right now. His actions, words, lack of actions prove he is a racist of the worst order. He is unfit to be our president. One need look no further than Eric Holder and what he has been doing to confirm this. The really bad thing about Race & Obama is that millions of whites voted for him because of his words. They also found it to be cathartic and refreshing that an african american could be president. Obama has been such an incredible failure that now many of the more ignorant whites will never vote for an african american again no matter how qualified they are. So who has set “race” back in america more than Obama? Nobody………..he is the king.

        • Bobby

          i would never vote for Mitt Romney for any reasons why would I vote for him and have no connections or anything in common with him, that just not going to happen.

      • DaveH

        From Flashman’s link:
        “Ron Paul (pictured) has a lot of racist supporters, including white supremacist website Stormfront, conspiracy theorist group the John Birch Society and neo-Confederates who believe that the South was right during the civil war. And the support is mutual. While Paul would like you to believe that his connection to racism ended with his newsletters, he has continued to address this group well into the 21st century. Take a look at Ron Paul’s top 10 most-racist supporters”.
        I think the “neo-Confederates who believe that the South was right during the civil war” says it all about the author’s credibility. The South WAS right. They simply did not want to be part of the Union any longer. They wanted self-governance. But Lincoln wanted to Force them to stay in the Union, and Force them he did at the cost of more than 600,000 lives.
        For those who have been thoroughly Propagandized, but would like to learn some reality:
        https://mises.org/store/Product2.aspx?ProductId=172

      • DaveH

        And we all know that a Liberal calling a group racist is meaningless, like the boy who cried wolf. What Wikipedia says about the John Birch Society:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

      • DaveH

        Stormfront really is a racist organization. But then the question is — does Ron Paul solicit their support? I doubt it.
        http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/28/stormfront-founder-ron-pauls-views-coincide-with-ours-on-most-issues/
        Here’s your homework assignment, Flashman — find proof that Ron Paul solicits the support of Stromfront, and show us the link.

        So you might ask yourselves — Why would Democrats fear Ron Paul? He’d butt the Government out of their drug choices, which Liberals say they want. He’d butt the Government out of victimless crimes, which Liberals say they want. He’d quit using our military as the World’s Policemen, which Liberals say they want.
        So what are these Liberals afraid of? Oh yeah, he would stop the redistribution of other peoples’ money. And he would greatly diminish the size of Government. They can’t have that, can they?

      • DaveH

        And, Flashman, Obama proved himself that he is a racist when he did his knee-jerk support for black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., and declared on national TV that the police had “acted stupidly.”, when he had stated earlier in the same speech that he didn’t know the details of the case. And it was none of the Federal Government’s business in the first place.

      • DaveH

        And then there’s this. An admitted Black racist intimidating people at a polling place:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
        What does the Obama administration do about it? They drop the charges.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        DaveH – I think obama’s obvious racist behavior particularly so early on in his “presidency” cast a large shadow of his own division from the American people. He isn’t the leader of a Country, he’s trying to be just some sort cool retro guy with black folks – probably has some problem mentally feeling that he’s neither white nor black —- he had the power to make an incredible difference instead he squandered it and made a difference of another kind – taking the US back 50 years to separate the races.

      • DaveH

        Glad you brought that point up, Libertytrain.
        Obama campaigned on the agenda to bring the races together, yet he has created more racial tension than I can remember in my lifetime.
        Even his More Perfect Union Speech did nothing more than to dredge up old complaints basically blaming Whitey for all the Black Man’s failings:
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23690567/ns/politics-decision_08/t/more-perfect-union/#.T66A5-jO1VU

        We all need to recognize that Government is in the business of fomenting trouble so they can come along with the “solution”. We need to get the Government Meddlers out of the equation if we ever hope to get along with each other.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        I’ve actually become embarrassed for what he did to his father’s side of the race issue – set back all the work done by so many people during the 60′s – we had come so far and he tore it to shreds in an instant. Backward man rather than a forward leader —

      • JeffH

        Libertytrain and DaveH, I believe there is no doubt about Obama’s intentional use of ethnic division. It comes straight from his tutored radicalism, his embracing communist and Marxist ideologies from both Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky.

        It is all about destroying capitalism, primarily thru the radical labor movement, by creating a false division between “black and white” Americans…racist politics. They attack the rich, they attack corporations to create class division and then they use the racial political tool to create a false black/white division.

        Setting blacks against whites against Latinos can only assure that political and economic equality of the races, as well as between rich and poor, will face inflexible and unyielding barriers to realization.

        The ultimate results of this divisiveness are an agitated and emphasized concept of racial interests, both black and white, and a lack of cohesiveness in the labor movement. The emphasis on race identity obviously cripples the labor movement (and thus class identity) as an exclusively realistic mode for change.
        http://www.essortment.com/race-marxism-39720.html

      • DaveH

        I can’t remember how young I was when, after hearing Liberal Classmates complain about Big Bad Business, I asked — if the Businessmen were dangerous to our well-being — what about the Leaders who had the Power of Force to back them up? But I was at least in my early 20s if not earlier.
        It bewilders me how people can embrace any kind of political agenda that puts so much Power in Leaders’ hands.

    • Cliffystones

      Hey Ash Sphincter!

      Where do all us Crackers sign up to join the great white male conspiricy? As a Honky WASP male I want to start reaping some of those wonderful white man only benefits.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Me too Cliff I sure would like to qualify for some of this Small Business Loans that only the minorities qualify for.

    • Jody L

      So are you saying that only whites are racists, but not blacks? Get a clue!

      • Deerinwater

        I know very few people that are not predisposed to favor people that reflect the qualities they find in themselves.

        Is this what we are attempting to discuss? This human tendency to see our world in a subjective manner?

        Is anyone suggesting this is improper , out of the ordinary or unusual?

    • DaveH

      Sure, there’s racism, Ash:
      http://www.bestandworst.com/r/104739.htm

      Notice that even those who self-identify as Black, say Blacks are more racist.

      • Bobby

        Since blacks are so racists I’ll be glad to see them get started burning down this country beating whites to a pulp, hanging them if you see them talking to a black women burn some symbols in the white man’s yard, denounce whites when you can, refer to them as crackers or honkies, Have marches and scream black power black unity, black separation the hell with intergration that crap doesn’t work establish a miltary unit to defend themselves from opression avenge the death of Travon Martin by any means necessary, and turn this damn country into a real battleground , if you going to be called a racists then get started you already have the title stop sitting back and let these people kill your sons and walk all over you. They think you are the most racists then prove it with honor.

      • DaveH

        Seek help, Bobby.

        • Deerinwater

          Of coarse black are racist, not at birth but they are taught to be just like all the rest of us.

          Is it time to quit this teaching? Tall order, I’d think.

    • http://firefox wog1

      Some think that racism only applies to one side. That no matter what the blacks do they can never be considered racist. They are the victims. Well they are more racist than any whites that I know. Anyone who trumps that race card is racist. That is why the blacks vote 95% for Obama. I will bet that 95% of them have never thought about why they are voting they way they do except that he is a black president. They use the race card to manipulate. Remember Obama is half white though you would never know it.

      • eddie47d

        Louis Farrakhan is a black racist and he doesn’t deny it. David Dukes is a white racist and doesn’t deny it. Some of us know who they are and then there are some who just can’t admit what is going on. That includes black and whites.

      • JeffH

        DUMMY ALERT!

        Hey eddie, aren’t you the one who’s brinking Farrakhan and Duke(think KKK obsession again)?

        DUH! Not sure how your comment fits in with wog1′s comment…can you explain and tie them together…if possible?

    • Sharr

      B.O. 50% Caucasian
      B.O. maybe 10% Black.
      B.O. approx. 40% Muslim.
      face it America.

      • Patriot II

        Sharr; 100% One Worlder, minion for the Elite Insanely Rich-”Wolf is Sheeps Clothing”, not even a Liberal, just a Liberal Poser because the Libs a buying his Crap that they are eating under the sand where thier heads are.

      • bill

        Sharr,

        Muslim is not a race. Quit showing your ignorance.

      • louie1

        Not Muslim, Sharr, but A-RAB.

    • http://msn sophillyjimmy

      Racism beget racism ash, when I get those intimidating looks from homies, I just look at them and they think this white guy is crazy because he is not afraid of me (us), so it is not so much of me being a racist, it is I am not afraid of racist and if they want to get it on I am ready and able, since I know they bleed and hurt just like me .

    • http://yahoo catsueme

      Yep, you’re right… but you must not stop there. In case you have’nt being looking or listening the black comunity has it on racest act going, but I suppose thats alright because you’re the minority. Well this is one guy that does’nt buy that load of do do. Racism is just thatno matter who does it. What you must realize that black workers will not hire a white person no matter how qualifed they are. A friend of mine runs a day care and had to go fill out some forms that were difficult to understand. While he was waiting to talk to the worker (black) while she was filling out this form for another person(black). When she finished my frien ask her for some help and she informed him she was’nt thewre to help him fill it out. Now who coould he complain to as her boss was black and her boss was too. Befopre you say this is only on enstance let me assure you that this is common place. I went into a new McDonalds the other day and saw 13 workers (black) including the supv. Do you realy beleive their were no young white wishing to get a position there. What I see when Black mgn. are hired no whites need to apply. So you see what you see in others,you ignore whats happen in yoou’re own race.
      Have a nice day.

    • Blue

      Obama won in 2008 because he is black. There is discrimination in America, but it goes both ways. I could care less what the color of a person’s skin is. It is their heart that means the most to me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

      We are all one race, different colors? Yes but, all with the same DNA going back to one person, God is right, man is wrong and that is proven with any type of racism.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

      Why does everyone think this ass—- is just black, he had a white mother or are people to dumb, stupid and anti-christ to know or care? His human father was a Marxist, a Commie and he is a bastard by the term itself. So he uses race to get what he wants, his real father is satan who lies and hates all humans of all colors, get a brain, a life and give up on satan’s will for the will of God.

    • Matt

      Ash, There is racism around the world; always has been, always will be. The point here is that the blatant lack of acknowledgement of the obvious racism of the most racist element, which is from black Americans, is what is so absurd. Not one race in the United States has ever shown so much bias in a presidential election,

      Black America will now be forced to prove what is more important to them; morals or color. I have little confidence that Martin Luther Kings dream of an America where a mans worth is based on the content of his character will be realized in the next election. Even with President Obamas self revelation of his lack of moral convictions, I believe that black voters will choose color over content by a 95% vote.

      Can you give an example of racial bias any more aggregious than the black vote of 2008? Slavery never enjoyed that kind of support. It only had around 50% support, and are you aware that only 3% of Americans owned slaves? White bias has never been at 95%. You will be hard pressed to find an arena in America with more bias than black America.

    • vieteravet

      I could care less what hsi color is- am I voting against his black half or against his white half-not; I vote against him because his policies are halfassed!

      • Deerinwater

        And which policy is it that you object to the most?

      • DaveH

        Helping himself to other peoples’ money. You know, Deer, Theft.

      • http://MSN Mike

        Anyone who votes for someone just just because of their skin color is a racist.There is no argument that can change that. Look at most of the big cities in America that are having tough financial times. What do they have in common? They are all run by Democrats promising something for nothing. Thrown in that the black leaders of these cities still get around 80% of the vote from those that look like them, and you have good old fashion racism, If you had a white candidate that was caught on tape smoking crack with the feds would he ever get re-elected? Especially if her were a Republican..Hell no! But because he was black he was set up my the white man. It’s not 1960 anymore people. Yew, there is still racism in the country, but not it has shifted, It’s whities fault when Katrinas hit, not the dumb ass mayor. Blame who’s at fault, white or black, don’t listen to losers like jackson or foxx or west. It” sad to see that those who have received so much for doing nothing for so long are going to do so little little except to fight back against those trying to make them get up on their two feet and make something of themselves. Then along comes Jackson and sharpton, along with 15 white democrats to say that republicans hate black people, Throw in that loser Kanye West and Jamie Foxx and now you have a movement. Please, those of you who are black and support planned parenthood, go back and look who founded the organization and what the purpose was when it came into existence. Maybe it will open your eyes but I doubt it. Information is power and listening to msnbc will keep you living in the past. Bush did a lot of things I disagreed with him on. But he never tried to divide a country along racial lines liie this clown has done. I would give anything to have carter in office over obama but there are too many stupid people that can’t see past the color of ths liars skin. Enjoy socialism people. You have no idea how many generations you are going to ruin my putting this empty shell back in 0ffice.
        at least he can still go hang out with jayz and beyounce during our next embassy attack. Priorities and priorities after all. God help us all since Obama doesn’t believe in God.

        • Deerinwater

          Mike says; “Anyone who votes for someone just because of their skin color is a racist.”

          Well that is true Mike, in much the same way that anyone that “wouldn’t vote ” for someone because of skin color is a racist.

          Your posting is loaded with “racism” and clearly you are racist as well, ~ which is okay ~ as most people are on so level, ~ but most people manage it contain it, while some people feed it with anger and then attempt to deny it. Can you explain that?

        • Jeff

          “Yew, there is still racism in the country”

          That is obvious when one reads these blogs.

          • Shavager

            Jeff, we have a NATION hater as president, BaROKE OWEbumbler said in his book “Audacity of Hope” page 261: “I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION.” How much UGLIER can it get with 2700+ Americans MURDERED BY MUSLIMS ON 9/11?? How much UGLIER can it get with 13 MORE Americans MURDERED BY A MUSLIM AT FORT HOOD or an American Ambassador RAPED, TORTURED, MURDERED BY MUSLIMS in Libya?? He is telling us “God Bless America” TO OUR FACE and “Allahu Akbar” BEHIND OUR BACKS! He is ARMING the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda affiliates with weapons–Syrian rebels are armed with American Stinger missiles–reported by Russian news agencies and the NY Times has reported the Muslim Brotherhood connection to OWEbumbler’s weapons connection. TWO HOURS after the Libyan attacks OWEbumbler KNEW the Ansar al-Sharia terrorist group was claiming responsibility, HE LIED TO AMERICA for two weeks about a protest over an anti-Islamic video that NO ONE but the OWEbumbler administration has talked about. Video of the attack on our American embassy and MURDER of 4 Americans–HE WENT TO BED WITHOUT EVER SENDING HELP!! His EXCUSE for the FBI not getting to scene of the MURDERS for two weeks–the FBI couldn’t get visas!! HE IS AIDING THE MUSLIM TAKEOVER OF MIDEAST COUNTRIES!

          • Samdromeda

            Don’t worry. Europe is going to do another Crusade with the blessing of Rome. T hey will take over the Middle East while our Oil Baron president is shipping oil and liquid natural gas to China and laughing all the way to the bank. If anyone disagrees we have privatized prisons with investors who laugh all the way to the bank. Europe will be keeping a close check on us. We have joint military cooperation, a German base, on American soil. You will become the property of the state under eminent domain. The corporations already own your land. All the owners thereof have to do is take it. Wherever there is oil the people will be moved aside at minimal cost. Fascism is coming to America. I disagree with Mitt on one point. Corporations are not people. Corporations are property. The employees are property also. States Rights are really the rights of the corporations to control develop and exploit. If you do not believe me check your state laws. They stop local communities from protecting themselves from the chaos that the oil companies did in Venezuela. Let a local state Governor put oil interests under state control and he will die like the former leader of Libya. There are powerful forces in our government that will sell mom, apple pie and the girl you left behind in order to maintain free reign over resources, food production and birthright. The downside is drought and flooding and wildfires. But let the oil flow by all means. We will build our military to protect our oil while it is being sold to China by business interests who psychologically lay the reason for our national INDEBTEDNESS
            on the backs of the people and actually attempt to turn them against one another through our political process. The president may reign but he does not rule. He is an administrative inconvenience that captains of industry and the Pentagon endure. Exploiters love to keep the people sedated and distracted so that they do not wake up and
            make them stop with extreme prejudice.

          • shavager

            Samdromeda, we’re tired of ya’ll on the left making these claims about “oil guy” president and “crusades” against muslims–radical Islamic govts. are taking over mid-east countries–THEY ARE NOT PEACEFUL!! The Indians killed Custer because they didn’t like him–MUSLIMS are killing Americans because they hate us, they hate anybody who’s not a muslim. OWEbumbler has driven up EVERY AMERICAN’S cost of gas and energy prices with his moratorium on oil drilling, obstruction of the Keystone pipeline,refusing to renew coal mine contracts, reduction of oil production ON PROPERTY OWNED BY AMERICANS. He BLEW $90 BILLION on “green energy” companies–of the top 36 companies that got Fed TAX dollars–21 ARE BANKRUPT and the other 15 are ON VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY! Just a few: Solyndra $535Million, A123 Systems $279Million, LG Chem $151Million, Solar Trust got $2.1BILLION to build world’s FIRST solar powered plant, Abound Solar $400MILLION,ENER1 $118.5MILLION, LSP Energy $2.1BILLION, Azure Dynamics $120MILLION–ALL OF THESE ARE BANKRUPT!! The U.S. could spread windmills and solar panels from coast to coast–it would only provide 5% OF U.S. ENERGY NEEDS. U.S. has abundant fuel sources HERE–it’s time to use national resources, END OPEC IMPORTS AND BILLIONS OF EXPORTED DOLLARS USED TO SUPPORT TERRORISM and SPEND IT HERE IN U.S.

          • Samdromeda

            Your post proved my point. You need a more gestalt view. Nothing I said was liberal. But then again you probably do not know what a conservative is. A house divided cannot stand. Your vote does not matter in the grander scheme of things. The supreme Court can override the electoral college. You have been thoroughly brainwashed. Re read my post. I have read both of yours. The election will not change our national impetus towards oblivion but the oil companies will succeed because they have the power through the constitution and state laws. There is no private anything. People can be moved off of their land just as sure as the Native Americans were moved off of their land. There is no political party that can prevent this. Mitt knows this. Elections are about building a negative case against your opponent. It is a competition after-all. Team building is a part of that process and to be an effective team member you must thoroughly believe what is said. If any message becomes unfavorable we can just Etch-A-Sketch it away and float something else. It is a process of convincing and influencing. That after-all is a part of the definition of brainwashing. Everything has form and function apart from party rhetoric, which is a tool in the ether of the nebulous process. Be informed but do not be a pansy.

          • shavager

            Samdromeda, don’t preach me your “doomsday”, federal govt owns everything mantra. Where were YOU when OWEbumbler signed executive order 13528 establishing “Council of Governors” (Jan 11, 2010) for SYNCHRONIZING and INTEGRATING state and federal military activities IN the U.S. combining National Guard, homeland defense and civilian support activities? Military has no business “synchronizing or integrating” with civilian law enforcement except in only very limited exceptions allowed by the Posse Comitatus Act. Where was your outrage when OWEbumbler signed the National Defense Authorization Act after we were told he opposed it, then when he signed it we were told it wouldn’t be used against American citizens because it didn’t apply and when he ADMITTED it applied to citizens, he said he would not choose to use it. It’s so vaguely worded even the ACLU, Mother Jones, Huffington Post and other lefwing groups are opposing it BECAUSE IT AUTHORIZES FEDS to DETAIN, INCARCERATE AND HOLD YOU INDEFINITELY even if you are an American citizen despite claims it doesn’t apply. Under this administration Bible groups have been arrested in Michigan for handing out Bibles, College Dean at Fla International University wants students who believe in God and Creation FAILED and not allowed to graduate, while in Minnesota teachers will use a two day conference for using dolls for diversity games and attend workshop on how to teach ISLAM in social studies and world religion. Meanwhile in Virginia a teacher who has been promoting OWEbumbler in her classroom, previously tried indoctrinating students in Islamic thought and prays to Allah in front of her students, has been arrested and charged with assault on a 10 year old student whose arm she jerked, causing an injury that dripped blood, while trying to force the girl to participate in an Islamic hand sign. The girl has a disorder and was unable to meet the teacher’s demands. And in Minnesota, Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison calls a former U.S. Marine Major who’s a candidate competing for his office “low-life scumbag” and “gutter dweller” as well as “liar” and “stupid” during a debate with retired Major Chris Fields. THE UNCIVILITY inspired by a president who said “I want you to argue with them and get in their face”–Sept 17,’08 and “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”—June 14,2008.

          • Samdromeda

            I did not say that the government owns everything . Do not put words in my mouth. Where were you when these events happened? Yes the world is destabilized and there is an increase in the degeneration of human behavior and character. It will continue to happen because [1.] A nation divided cannot stand and [2.]everyone is doing what seems right in their own eyes. That includes all the individuals in government and both political parties. Homeland Security is universally applied. 911 was the trigger. The order the president signed was just a link in the chain. There was a president that said that Americans are becoming ungovernable. He Launched Homeland Security. Be assured government of and by and for the people institute means to control the people so that business can go on as usual. We are having crop failures. Which candidate will bring us into a state that balances the weather? When idolatry enters our political process beware.
            The priests of some of these shed blood and feel justified in doing so. How many virgins will you sacrifice to the volcano of the American Political Process?

          • Jeff

            Uncle Bumbler:

            Just because you like to look back to your Edsel as the ultimate in personal transportation, some of us under 80 look forward to more efficient uses of energy and to the use of renewable sources of energy. Oil is a diminishing and increasingly expensive resource. If we exploited every inch of drillable land in the U.S., do you think the price of gas would diminish sufficiently to offset the diminution in lifestyle? I don’t think a 10c reduction in the price of gasoline is much of a trade-off against having oil derricks in everybody’s yard. We’re not going back to sub-$1.00 per gallon gasoline no matter how much you wish it could happen.

            Think of those Little Bumblers to come. They might like to live on a planet where the ice caps are intact and where historic coastal areas (like Florida) remain as they’ve been throughout recorded history. I know, you don’t believe in global warming because you dislike Al Gore. You know who used to believe in actual science before the Tea Party convinced them that pretend ignorance was the way to go? John McCain and Mitt Romney.

            All that being said, oil production is up in the U.S. Companies that held onto federal oil leases without using them are being forced to fish or cut bait. Yes, there was a moratorium on deep oil drilling following the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history. It’s called sanity, something you know little about. Your favorite politicians actually apologized to BP because Obama “forced” them to pay for their mess. I suppose W wouldn’t have? “I’m sorry all that water got in the way of your oil.”

          • Shavager

            Jeff, we have enough oil reserves to supply U.S. for the next 120-200 YEARS–America will have adapted to new renewable energy sources LONG before then. Hundreds of trucking companies have converted to natural gas but gas remains the cheapest affordable source for majority of Americans. There is NO national structure to serve electric cars across the U.S. and citizens are NOT buying up those autos. OWEbumbler gave $2.1 BILLION to Solar Trust for the world’s LARGEST SOLAR PLANT–Solar Trust CLOSED in BANKRUPTCY on April 12 this year! Only 7,671 Chevy Volts were sold in 2011, FEDS and OWEbumbler bought a large number of them in a “stealth” bailout. Reuters News Service reports Chevy LOSES nearly $50,000 ON EVERY VOLT SOLD! UH, Jeff–LG Chem and A123 Energy–manufacturers of the Volt’s electric battery ARE BOTH BANKRUPT! OWEbumbler LIED IN HIS HEART with his claim that more oil production has happened under his administraton–MOST of the increase in production has happened in the Bakken oil reserve in Montana and North Dakota ON PRIVATE LAND BY PRIVATE COMPANIES AND INDIVIDUALS. He has CUT production on OUR FEDERAL LANDS by 50% and the MORATORIUM in gulf YOU claim is because of the Gulf spill–HE’S ILLEGALLY VIOLATING FEDERAL COURT ORDER TO RE-OPEN THOSE WELLS, the spill is LONG past and no longer any problem. By the way Jeff, Deepwater Horizon spill was in 5000 foot deep water, YOUR president BORROWED $2 BILLION to give to communist Brazil to DRILL OIL 15 MILES DEEP in the ocean–IF he claims it’s a threat to environment with drilling about 3 MILES deep at the Deepwater Horizon-WHY would he want Brazil drilling 5 TIMES DEEPER–and a spill from those wells off Brazil would be a FAR BIGGER DISASTER AND HARDER TO SHUT OFF OR CONTROL!

          • Jeff

            Uncle Bumbler:

            Maybe Obama is satisfied that neither BP nor Halliburton will be involved in the drilling off the coast of Brazil. And the oil produced in the U.S. is not for us alone. It goes to the world market where there’s lots of oil from Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Canada, Russia, etc. Our production will not have a great deal of impact on the world price of oil.

          • Jeff

            Uncle Bumbler:

            I’ve so missed your charming repartee. Did you put in a wake-up call for two weeks before the election? Make sure you go to the polls to keep those Blacks, Mexicans, students, and poor-looking old folks from voting. Heck, Rick Scott will probably let you bring your shotgun. After all, it’s in such a good cause!

            Still crazy after all these months? Obama is still a jihadist in your view. Colin Powell endorsed Obama again. Didn’t you used to think he was “one of the good ones”? What do you think the quote from page 261 means? Obviously, to you it means Obama has declared war on the U.S. To a sane person, its meaning is quite clear. Obama will defend the rights of Muslims to live as Muslims in the U.S. regardless how many Bumbling Bigots decide to blame the actions of bin Laden & co. on any “Muslim-looking” person they can find. Half the time you morons attack Sikhs thinking they’re Muslims.

            Remember the Neimoller passage:

            When the Nazis came for the communists,
            I remained silent;
            I was not a communist.

            When they locked up the social democrats,
            I remained silent;
            I was not a social democrat.

            When they came for the trade unionists,
            I did not speak out;
            I was not a trade unionist.

            When they came for the Jews,
            I remained silent;
            I wasn’t a Jew.

            When they came for me,
            there was no one left to speak out.

            I believe the quote you are using to accuse Obama of disloyalty is in the same vein.

          • truesoy

            Jeff..

            Once again I feel compelled to respond to Uncle Bumbler’s post.
            He/she seems to be a person in need of a justification to ‘hate’ withouth appearing ‘reacial’.
            His claimed that he read the ‘audacity of hope’ written by Obama is light yers away from the truth. He seems to be ‘parroting’ some ‘right-wing’ talking points, that’s all.
            It is simply not true that Obama ever wrote ‘he found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against his mother’s race’. The other statement that Uncle Bumbler quotes is not exactly the way it was written and it changes what Obama actually wrote.
            Maybe some research by Uncle Bumbler would have produced the facts, but instead he chose to take at face value that that would re-inforced a set of beliefs he’s alredy suscribed to.
            Jeff, go to Snopes.com. Therfe you’ll find the answer, and if still in doubt get the book.
            Maybe Uncle Bumbler could do the same, but I doubt it. He hates to burst his bubble.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Jeff

            I bought the book, probably in 2008, but I haven’t read it all. I’ll check out Snopes, and maybe they identify the passages the right wing is so eager to bastardize.

          • shavager

            Jeff, you should check out JZ Knight-the “mystic” teacher formerly know as Judith Darlene Hampton and her virulent anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, anti-homosexual RANTS on youtube. She’s a BIG OWEbumbler, DemocRAT party supporter who threatened Catholics: “We will come on you in a terror. We will bring…St. Peter’s church down and we will swallow it in the sea”. She has donated more than $120,000 to DemocRAT party and OWEbumbler campaign, was photographed with OWE back in Sept. last year at campaing event. She maintains she talks with a Lemurian warrior “Ramtha” who lived more than 35,000 years ago and runs the school “Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment” in Yelm, Washington–the video made at a Washington state event was vulgar, profane and antagonistic toward Catholics, Jews, and homosexuals. So much for OWEbumbler’s followers and DemocRATS NOT being RACISTS. Sound like a bunch of looney, cult followers.

          • Jeff

            I don’t know anything about her, but assuming she’s saying the things you suggest, she sounds nutty. I would say she represents the tiniest sliver of Obama supporters. Now, ask yourself this. Of the good old boys (you probably know some) who don’t like Blacks, can’t stand Mexicans, and aren’t too fond of Jews or ethnic Catholics, do you think most will vote for Romney or Obama?

          • Shavager

            Jeff, I’m a registered democrat voter, have been for nearly 40 years now–the DemocRAT party is full of those kinds of people! Martin Luther King was a REPUBLICAN, former KKK member late Senator Robt Byrd of Va. was a DemocRAT, Al Gore’s daddy who refused to support any civil rights legislation DIED a DemocRAT. GOP just elected two black Congressmen, Alan West and Tim Scott, not long ago Indian ancestry governor Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal were elected, black mayor Mia Love of Saratoga Springs, Utah is now running for the House of Representatives and who can forget HERMAN CAIN, former presidential candidate who won several primaries–ALL WITH REPUBLICAN VOTES!

          • Jeff

            Uncle Bumbler:

            So you’re the last surviving segregationist democrat? Congratulations on your longevity. Now, who was the last Democrat you voted for for president? Strom? George? How about Jimmy Carter, a southerner?

            I think we’ve covered this “southern strategy” history before but in case there’s anyone under 50 reading this (highly unlikely): No white southerner would vote Republican for 100 years after the Civil War because Lincoln was a Republican. Therefore, all the racist segregationists were democrats and southern Blacks tended to be Republicans. Those southern democrats were an embarrassment to the northern party, so the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were passed by Northern Democrats and Republicans. Because LBJ was a democrat, the democrats got most of the credit/blame for civil rights and, as LBJ accurately predicted, he ceded the South to the Republicans for at least a generation.

            Within a few years of passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964, all the southern democrats became republicans, starting with Strom, and they soon became the base of the party. Meanwhile, the Republicans moved decidedly to the right, banishing all the Northern moderate Republicans (the Rockefeller folks) from the party.

            Robert Byrd was a KKK member early in his life and regretted it the rest of his life. But he made up for it over the last 40+ years of his life. He didn’t say he wished Strom Thurmond had been elected President in 1948 the way Trent Lott did. No, the “states rights” battle cry of the segregationists has been fully co-opted by the Republicans.

            So, why are you still a democrat? Why not follow the lead of Strom, Ronnie, and countless others?

            BTW: I checked out that woman and she seems a bit nutty, like a lot of religious folks just looking to separate the superstitious from their money, but I don’t see any references to anti-Semitism. You’ll have to “enlighten” me in that special Bumbler way you have.

          • Jeff

            Uncle Bumbler:

            Nearly 40 years? I’ve been voting for 40 years and assumed you first voted around the time of Noah. Does that mean you never got to vote for Tricky Dick?

      • deerinwater

        DaveH says:
        May 12, 2012 at 11:47 pm
        “Helping himself to other peoples’ money. You know, Deer, Theft.”

        LOL , okay ~ So what is it that makes the current thieving administration more a thief then past administrations David? Please enlighten me how this is occurring today that has not been standard practice by prior administrations, administrations that you more then likely voted for and supported.

        I’m looking forward to your reply David ~ I will wait here for your return.

    • Bob

      Wait a minute! Isn’t Obama also half white???

      • Jeff

        What a profound insight. Does that mean Romney is half human?

  • Harold Olsen

    Not voting for a candidate because of their race IS racism. And, there are many people in this country who will not vote for Obama because he is black. The trouble is, many of us won’t vote for him because of his policies and his seeming goal of destroying America. Black people vote for him because he is black. And THAT is just as racist as a white person not voting for him because he’s black.

    Obama is a racist and has played the race card numerous times. Such as screaming racism when his policies are criticized. Sure, he may not be doing it personally but he has numerous surrogates doing it for him. If he loses this year, I would not be one bit surprised if he screams racism and files a lawsuit to have the election overturned and he declared the winner, citing he was voted out of office because of his race and a person can not be denied a job based on race.

    However, I don’t really believe we will be having an election in November. I’m expecting an October surprise from Obama. That October surprise will be a manufactured crisis that he will use as an excuse to declare martial law and find it necessary to “postpone” the election. The trouble is, the postponment will be permanent because I do not believe Obama plans on leaving office as long as he’s alive. He now has the power and he is not planning on giving it up.

    • eddie47d

      You can think what you want and I believe you are 100% wrong on the elections being cancelled. That you by saying that are spreading racial fear. If he is defeated he will leave office like any other President unless one of your extremists buddies want him to leave feet first. Yes that is blow back for you to chew on since that is exactly what has been mentioned by commenter’s in the past.

      • http://Yahoo Bob Herring

        Lets stop talking Black and White….lets talk and vote on the issues….even if we do not agree…that is ok.

      • Phil

        Racism:? Minorities and stupids will get this muslim re-elected, maybe. Most of them lead such hum-drum existences that they need something, anything, to obsess over.
        Got to take a stance somehow, somewhere, for something. And voting for the muslim makes “me feel good”. Hows that for an informed intelligent political viewpoint??

      • DaveH

        I wonder what it’s like to have such an illogical mind?
        Eddie says — “You can think what you want and I believe you are 100% wrong on the elections being cancelled. That you by saying that are spreading racial fear”.
        What? What does Harold thinking the elections might be canceled have to do with spreading racial fear, Eddie?

      • JeffH

        DaveH, I’m sure you know what a Yogi-ism is(Yogi Berra)…”it ain’t over ’til it’s over”. Well, the ignorant liberals are stuck with eddie-ism’s…or should I say…they can’t be fixed, theirs is forever.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw

      • http://msn sophillyjimmy

        Why would he leave office fet first eddie, he will do nothing if he loses except pack up to return to Chicago or to his country of birth Kenya.

        If anyone wants to start a problem as long as they leave my family, me and my home alone, they could do what they want but involve me and I have something waiting for them and I am one hell of a shot, and I don’t hold a pistol sideways so stray bullets hit innocent kids nearby.

      • eddie47d

        Thanks Jimmy you just proved my point.

      • louie1

        Yes, I’ve heard that before – about Bush from my very radical, flaming Liberal brother. I told him and I’ll tell you that death threats against a president are far more predominate coming from Liberals than Conservatives and much more frequent from hateful, vitriolic Libs. Shame on you, you foolish, brainwashed child.

        • Deerinwater

          It should be easy enough to prove without lying about it then. You have make the statement, now it time for you to prove it.

          Otherwise, your argument is employing the “My daddy is bigger the your daddy” approach to supporting it’s self.

    • sesame

      You need to get your hunch-meter adjusted.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

        I don’t have a hunch meter, I have the Word of God and He knows all, is all and the little gods can do what ever, won’t happen, God wins, everytime, Israel attacked 5 times, win them all without the weapons to fight back and you think you know all and are all, I laugh and cry because of your self godhood that will never win, will never solve anything and will bring about destruction like you have never seen or hope to see, your self godhood, your lack of real brain power will destroy you and all you think you know.

    • CJ

      Harold, I’m with you. I’ve said for some time that I expect a major event where ‘some official’ will demand a ‘postponement’ of several things, election included, because it will ‘be unwise to change leaders in the middle of a crisis.’ I also believe that a correction of a poor outcome for Obama, based on racist assumptions for the loss, would be as racist an event to force us to accept him. Fortunately the Bush election didn’t set the president of courts reversing an election results.

      • vanessa

        CJ they kept counting the votes over and over again and Bush was leading in every count. Sooner or later you just have to give it up. Im not a Bush fan but if Algore had been pres. we would have ALREADY been living in tents with no electricty.

    • nc

      Harold, You say Obama is “seeming to be out to destroy America”.Do you have any idea how long your argument has been going on that Democrats in the White House will “destroy America” because they are socilalist? Only since FDR. 80 years. 7 Democrat Presidents who, not only DID NOT ruin our America, but helped keep it number one in the world. AND THEIR RECORD WITH MANAGING OUR FREE MARKET SOCIETY IS PLAINLY SET OUT AT “BULLS, BEARS DONKEYS AND ELEPHANTS” GO SEE WHERE OUR AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE EARNED ABOUT 41% MORE ON STOCK INVESTMENTS DURING DEMOCRAT ADMISITRATIONS THAN THE REPUBLICANS ADMINSTRATIONS SINCE 1929! DOES THAT APPEAR THAT SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN BAD FOR OUR ECONOMY? EVEN TAKING OVER IN THE MIDST OF OUR SECOND WORST ECONOMY. OBAMA HAS PRESIDED OVER THE DOW RISING FROM 6547 TO OVER 13000. THE STOCK MARKET LOVES THE DEMOCRATS! ALWAYS HAS! RIGHT?????? THE FIGURES ARE THERE ! GO SEE THEM.

      You are predicting no elections in Nov. due to an Obama take over, Mr Livingston is predicting a big move by Dr. Paul in the Republican search, others here are digging holes in the ground and prepping for all kind of doomsday events. What do think the odds are than any of the events predicted here at Paranoid Central will take place?? How many devout Christians have seen the coming of days in EACH OFTHE YEARS since the Bible came into print in the 1500s?? Makes one wonder where people get their information and how much kool aid was involved! Doesn’t it??

      • CJ

        NC, your conclusion takes the assumption that elections are between good and bad choices, when in fact, most are a choice of the lesser of two evils. It can not be assumed that the unchosen candidate would have done a better job when the winner turns out to have bad consequences, and the opposite conclusion is just as irresponsible.

      • DaveH

        So NC shouts out that “THEIR [Democrats] RECORD WITH MANAGING OUR FREE MARKET SOCIETY”.
        As if shouting somehow makes him right.
        Right off the bat, I can see that NC doesn’t have a clue because we haven’t had anything close to free markets since the Progressives took over in the late 19th century.
        For those who would like to be more knowledgeable than people like NC:
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

      • Dave

        The economy (good or bad) has much more to do with the control of congress than it does with who happens to be President. The economic gains of the late 1990′s had much more to do with the Republican Congress and luck (the advent of the internet) than it did with Clinton;s attempts to derail it. Obama has done more to damage the US economy than any of his predecessors. If he has another 4 years as a lame duck, he will sink it!

      • DaveH

        And again he lists his “BULLS, BEARS DONKEYS AND ELEPHANTS” citation, as if the New York Times biased compilation somehow proves that Democrats are good for the economy:
        http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html
        Note that I am aware that the Republican Leaders as well as the Democrat Leaders are misleading the citizens, and in fact both groups are (in conjunction with their Crony Capitalists who help get them re-elected) taking advantage of the rest of us with their Market Interventions.
        There are at least 3 glaring problems with that biased article:
        1) It takes time for austerity methods to become fruitful. The Republicans could simply be doing the right things — tightening up on the purse strings — which results in financial pain for many that then (due to ignorant voters) results in them getting replaced by Democrats. About that time, the measures have started to result in Prosperity, just in time for Democrats to claim the credit. And Vice-Versa.
        2) The author of the article completely leaves out which party was controlling Congress during those years. How convenient, since Congress is responsible for passing the Spending Bills. For those who would like to see the makeup of Congress since 1855:
        http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html
        3) What kind of Republicans were they? For instance, even the author of the article makes this disclaimer — “As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index* would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only, although that would be $51,211 if we exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression”.
        But Herbert Hoover was a Big Time Progressive. You would know that, NC, if you read “A History of Money and Banking in the US” which I provided a link for.
        And Bill Clinton who was credited with the largest increase had a majority Republican Congress for the last 6 years of his 8 year term.

      • DaveH

        Oops, I put two links in my comment, and got bit by the “Awaiting Moderation”, so I will break it into 2 pieces.
        And again NC lists his “BULLS, BEARS DONKEYS AND ELEPHANTS” citation, as if the New York Times biased compilation somehow proves that Democrats are good for the economy:
        http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html
        Note that I am aware that the Republican Leaders as well as the Democrat Leaders are misleading the citizens, and in fact both groups are (in conjunction with their Crony Capitalists who help get them re-elected) taking advantage of the rest of us with their Market Interventions.
        Comment continued below.

      • DaveH

        There are at least 3 glaring problems with that biased article:
        1) It takes time for austerity methods to become fruitful. The Republicans could simply be doing the right things — tightening up on the purse strings — which results in financial pain for many that then (due to ignorant voters) results in them getting replaced by Democrats. About that time, the measures have started to result in Prosperity, just in time for Democrats to claim the credit. And Vice-Versa.
        2) The author of the article completely leaves out which party was controlling Congress during those years. How convenient, since Congress is responsible for passing the Spending Bills. For those who would like to see the makeup of Congress since 1855:
        http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html
        3) What kind of Republicans were they? For instance, even the author of the article makes this disclaimer — “As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index* would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only, although that would be $51,211 if we exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression”.
        But Herbert Hoover was a Big Time Progressive. You would know that, NC, if you read “A History of Money and Banking in the US” which I provided a link for.
        And Bill Clinton who was credited with the largest increase had a majority Republican Congress for the last 6 years of his 8 year term.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          that is very true DaveH,and W had a 100% democratic congress his last 2 years iin office. In fact democrats have had the purse srtings more than republicans for the past 100 years plus. That is the reason we are in the big trouble we are in.

      • independant thinker

        I would say we have between 75%-95% chance of an “event” shortly before the election. While I do not go so far as saying that “event” will be used as an excuse to postpone or cancel the elections It definately would be used to promote keeping obama in office because “we need continuity of leadership”.

      • shavager

        The stock market fell so much under Bush because of the mortgage collapse of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac mortgage giants that are DemocRAT created, DemocRAT controlled and collapsed under DemocRAT controlled Congress. Bush had ZERO to do with the collapse–Sen Chris Dodd and Rep Barney Frank in House LIED to America about the financial consequences looming even as BUSH was warning in ’06 and ’07 before the collapse came in ’08. DemocRATS forced banks and financial institutions to give NO downpayment, NO CREDIT mortgage loans to low income and ILLEGALS. When the recession started with skyrocketing gas prices, it triggered interest rate increases and crashed the economy over foreclosures and losses to mortgage industry and financial institutions. That’s NOT BUSH’S BABY–that’s a DemocRAT baby that OWNS 97% of mortgages nationwide.

      • shavager

        Nc,FDR gave America ten years of depression with his huge spending programs, even his own advisors admitted later that it was a mistake. LBJ gave us the Great Society and HUGE welfare society–took the Social Security retirement plan and “transformed” it into a TAX-giving the DemocRAT Congress authority to “steal” SS contributions and spend it in the general revenue. Carter gave the U.S. 2 1/2 years of RECESSION, a failed presidency that foreign enemies saw as WEAK and encouraged the Mullahs to overthrow the Shah of Iran and take 66 Americans hostage for 444 days till the fear of Reagan made them release the prisoners immediately upon Reagan’s election. Don’t you remember: “what’s black and white and glows at night?” The answer: “Iran after Reagan becomes president.” Carter gave us the worst recession since the FDR depression–10-12% inflation rates, 12%+ UNEMPLOYMENT, 21% INTEREST RATES till Reagan cut INCOME TAXES and nearly doubled federal revenues during a time of growth and prosperity that is the HIGHEST in the 20th century. Clinton listened to his economic advisors in first term, left the economy alone for most part, middle of second term decided Washington could SPEND YOUR TAX DOLLARS BETTER THAN YOU COULD–raised income taxes and put the U.S. into a Recession by fall of 2000. W. Bush came in and cut INCOME TAXES in 2001 and business taxes in ’03–America saw second HIGHEST period of economic growth in 20th century behind Reagan’s. Some people sure have SHORT memories–I remember the 32 hour work weeks during Carter’s term when companies in construction in N.Fla. depended on 50 hour work weeks to make any money. Employees had to choose between family healthcare plans and groceries, long gas lines, buying gas on every other day based on street addresses being even/odd numbers. This president is an economic DISASTER, not because he’s unqualified and ZERO in experience, but because he is a protege of Francis Fox Piven’s strategy to COLLAPSE our economic system under HUGE WELFARE DEBT–he’s got the HIGHEST WELFARE/FOODSTAMP LEVELS IN U.S. HISTORY NOW!

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          shavager, I remember those days to and I like your comments. What I remember was enjoying my children and being a Scout Master and working and making a decent living under the Reagan and Bush administrations. Somehow, the federal government, while a source of irritation, had not yet become the threat to our freedoms that the government poses today.

          • Deerinwater

            “shavager, I remember those days to and I like your comments. What I remember was enjoying my children and being a Scout Master and working and making a decent living under the Reagan and Bush administrations. Somehow, the federal government, while a source of irritation, had not yet become the threat to our freedoms that the government poses today.”

            If you only understood the “implications” of what you are saying “Katrael” it would fix a lot of what ills you.

            I remember those days Reagan and H Bush and early W Bush days as well but not it the same way. All of my friends did well at Lockheed, Bell, Chace Volt, water dept. fireman, school teachers, city and state employee while the private sector suffered greatly.

            There was enough government money floating about, the outcry from the private sector was muted by those who enjoyed the status quo. We were simply labels as under achieving malcontents with our complaints that something was seriously wrong.

            We watched on as our friends bought lake property, boats and threw weekend parties, skiing the river. ~ invited along, I did what I could, contributing 20 gallons of gas, a case of beer and food previsions but there was no way that I could keep up with my friends as they lived large and had a grand old time.

            For a night out, there were limo’s $350.00 , $250.00 bar taps being common. Many Americans did truly enjoy a good life while the private sector watch on. We had to shop at the same stories and pay the same price they paid while their income was doubled ours and sometime tripled.

            I remember how “good” it was for some people. It went a good 25 years that way and for a select few, it still goings on today.

            That is took so much time for this “darkness” to reach your door step, you should be thankful. But what we see is you judging your own affairs as indicative of what all good solid citizens have had to come to grips with at this moment~ while you’ve been on a government money skate for the last 15 years.

            It been only in the last 5 years my friend have witnessed this same darkness that graced my door 30 years ago.

            I would not expect you to enjoy it much. I surely didn’t, but I have manged to live with it by scaling down my hopes and dreams and some serious down sizing. In a way it’s a blessing of sorts, ~ you learn want is truly important in life and what is really worth keeping.

            I hated loosing the woman and her children I loved dearly and the house but She seemed unable to adjust to the circumstance that was out of my control. It took 7 years to get a grip on what happened and a new attitude and today I’m better for it. While I seriously doubt if she is any better off or any happier then the day she left.

            She had been replaced, 4 times since then and I would change it for the world, while I still miss the kids.

            So I do feel your pain my friend but this isn’t about you or I but a nation of people that has entrusted leadership to the wrong people going back several years.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, there you go again accusing somebody of something without a shred of evidence to prove yourself anything but a liar. First, lets address this issue: you said, “All of my friends did well at Lockheed, Bell, Chace Volt, water dept. fireman, school teachers, city and state employee while the private sector suffered greatly.” If anything you only prove my point about the government. These people who worked for these that you listed then have benefited from a system that this big government created while it stole from everybody else to finance these people’s lifestyle. And you want bigger government who will only steal more? And I never said who was responsible for my good life back then. I did not give credit to anyone I only said that it was during those days of Reagan/Bush that my life was economically more comfortable. I of course can’t speak about everybody’s circumstances. There can be no doubt that a dollar then bought more than a dollar does today. I’ve lived for 35 years in a rural agricultural part of west central Georgia and in one of the poorest counties in the country and life there was probably as good as it could have been during those years. I worked for fifteen years for a private company who paid my wages during that time. I also ran a business and helped work the family farm.

            Next issue, and this is the one that makes you a liar: You said, “But what we see is you judging your own affairs as indicative of what all good solid citizens have had to come to grips with at this moment~ while you’ve been on a government money skate for the last 15 years.” I never mentioned other people I was merely agreeing with somebody about how my life was back then and I never made a judgement about anybody else so what you said is a complete fabrication. Also, how in the world can you say that I’ve, “been on a government money skate for the last fifteen years.”? That also is a complete fabrication and therefore a lie and told to mislead others reading your reply which makes you a liar.

            The rest of your post, while a tear jerker, is not relevant to anybody but you. You seem to want to blame everybody else for your misfortune while not taking any responsibility. I don’t know anything about you but what you’ve written and it’s been my experience with people that they are rarely totally innocent. Maybe you are but there’s no way to know.

            Finally, I wake up every morning praising YHWH for my blessings. I don’t feel like my life has been cursed. What I see looming, even knocking at my door, is a government that wants to enslave it’s people including me and my family. It wants to tell me and a host of other good people that we can’t teach our children how to farm. You know, that food you eat may come from one of those farms. It wants to destroy our right to decide how we will get our healthcare and force us to become a part of it’s tyrannical system. The evil criminal government wants to turn our families and neighbors into snitches and stooges to inform it of when we may be breaking any of it’s monstrous mountain of immoral and evil laws. There is far more wrong with the system than anyone could post on this site but I’ve taken a small swipe at pointing out some of the evils of our system.

          • Deerinwater

            “And you want bigger government who will only steal more? And I never said who was responsible for my good life back then. I did not give credit to anyone I only said that it was during those days of Reagan/Bush that my life was economically more comfortable.”

            First off, I was not singling you out Katrael, ~ You have done that, not I.

            And when did I ever say that I wanted bigger Government? That is something you have assigned me. Next to 30 % of my fellow countrymen, my single biggest enemy is government.

            I want more responsible government.

            You have taken an adversarial turn because you did not approve if my personal testimony. I understand your disapproval, I didn’t like it much either, it really wasn’t very flattering in the way some people have been so slow to wake up and hear the wolf scratching at their door and act alarmed by his presence so near while he’s been chewing on their neighbor for years and it was ignored ~ thinking the neighbors had it coming or was lacking in some way.

            No! That not very flattering and doesn’t impress me much when I hear people sounding the alarm that something is seriously wrong a good 20 years too late.

            And now , today I’m suppose to listen to what you have to say? ~ Why is that?

            How can you now be that clever? When you didn’t even sense there was a problem until it can a knocking 25 years later at your door?

            I don’t hold it against you, if the roles were reversed it might well be much the same.

            But you really do need to understand ~ you are LATE with your “alarm”.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, you used a pronoun of the second person singular or plural that is directed to the one or ones being addressed. In other words you choose to lie again about your posting not being directed at me. You said, “That is took so much time for this “darkness” to reach your door step, you should be thankful. But what we see is you judging your own affairs as indicative of what all good solid citizens have had to come to grips with at this moment~ while you’ve been on a government money skate for the last 15 years.”

            Again you have proven yourself to be a liar.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, again I should have waited until I read more of your post because you said that it is my false belief that you don’t want more and bigger government. Here’s the next part in your latest post to me: ” I want more responsible government. ” Again you show yourself to be a liar.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, I’m not going to let you get away with your deceptions. I originally posted my comment to someone else who I was in agreement with and merely made the point about my perception. You chose, as was your right, to respond to me and since then you’ve been double talking and posting outright lies. It’s you that said you play the devils advocate and not I so now I know that the devil and those who speak for him are liars and that is the devils stock and trade…lies. Live in your filth.

          • Deerinwater

            You frame a single lie or deception that I have made and we can discuss it, ~ How does that sound? Until then, we are done here.

            I’ve other matters to address and under time restrictions for absurd nonsense.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, thank you for admitting this: “You frame a single lie or deception that I have made and we can discuss it, ~ How does that sound? Until then, we are done here. I’ve other matters to address and under time restrictions for absurd nonsense.” Is it absurd nonsense to address the lies that someone makes and to call them out for them? And what’s to discuss? Not only did you admit to lying but you admit to being the devils mouthpiece then you lied about how many times you did lie. Do I have to dig up your posts to remind you about the frequency of your lying? It would appear that this propensity toward your lying is pathological in nature?

            I harbor no ill will toward you but I feel that it is my duty to inform others that you should not be trusted, even your comrades who like your rhetoric. I don’t feel that you should wonder whether I’ll respond directly to you anymore but only to address anything you post about me or others that I know is a direct lie. I hope you can find peace in that twisted life of your?

          • Deerinwater

            There is no “admitting” Sir, you have been asked to frame your “allegations” for discussion or there will be no discussion of lies and deception. You have been called out and refuse the challenge.

            You are clearly 100% Republican Katrael regardless what you elect to label yourself today. That you hide in the company of shape shifters and dot connectors today makes you one of common garden variety and nothing unique at all but quite banal and trite.

            You are not fooling anyone here. In the last 30 years it’s been made clearly obvious that the GOP and their supporters has the capability to fabricate allegation of lies, wrong doing and misconduct faster them they can be debunked. We are not falling for your diversion.

            You can frame it or you are just talking out your backside. Unable to dazzle with brilliance , you attempt to baffle with bull4hit. My most flattering term for you would be simply a “Rancher” that enjoys shoveling manure.

    • Maryland Freestater

      God I hope you’re wrong about that! I really really hope Obama doesn’t try doing something like that: and if he does, the American populace needs to stage a Million-armed-Man March on 1600 Pennsylvania: That’s the ONLY way getting rid of an Emperor Obama would work.

      From some of the things I’ve been seeing on YouTube, I’m beginning to believe some of the ‘conspiracy theories’ regarding planetary realities I’ve seen – this latest on the federal persecution of Sheriff Arpaio for enforcing laws the gov’t won’t. Was Breitbart murdered? Agenda 21?? Obama and his czars have to go, lest America does because we won’t survive as a nation and culture if he gets reelected or suspends the constitution.

      And as far as the ‘racism’ theme today, well I guess add me to the ranks of racist – I REFUSE to vote for Obama ‘cos he’s RED.

      • ralph herman

        In the south we had a term “high yellow’ for mixed race people,not red that was a native american.So all of you chicked littles run ,run the sky is falling but only if the American Talaban that is the republican party wins anything.My family is working again and how is that bad.FOUR MORE YEARS OF PROGRESS AND TAX THE GREEDY RICH WHO DON’T REINVEST IN THIS COUNTRY.

      • Paul B.

        Poor Ralph… Red as in Communist. DOH.

      • http://msn sophillyjimmy

        Well put Frestater.

    • vanessa

      Yes you are right. I just heard something this morning that originated from law enforcement that stated marshall law will be coming this summer.

      • vanessa

        My reply was to Harold hes got it totally right.

      • Paul B.

        Not sure about that, but if it does, I wouldn’t be surprised it if isn’t created by the Progressive Movement OWS. They are already gearing up of major disruptions across the country this summer, once all their little minions get out of school.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Paul, they’re going to hit us on many fronts. The occupiers will create social unrest. We’ll have race riots when the Zimmerman verdict comes in. The economy is about to crash. They’re trying to stir up more terrorism. They’re covering all of their bases. Martial law is coming. Which excuse will they use? Who knows? It’s all about them being able to control us. It won’t stop at trying to control crime and unrest. It is about utter control over all of us. Here is a quote from “Jesus Christ Superstar”. “They only need a small excuse to put us all away.”

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      The idea that we won’t be having an election is not yours alone. A lot of people are concerned about the same thing. In fact there’s an article going all over the Internet about a secret source at the department of homeland security saying that they are expecting and preparing for a civil war. And this source says that he’s not sure there will be an election. I’ll post a link to one article but it’s all over. If you want to google it, go ahead.

      http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/we-are-preparing-for-massive-civil-war-says-dhs-informant/question-2635869/

      • http://msn sophillyjimmy

        All of these things could become a reality Nancy but as long as the 2nd amendment stands all of these tyrants will see the rest of America ready to take them on, and there are allot more of us then them so I say bring it on if that is what you want, we will have something for them.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        My Dad always taught me, as long as there was a gun registry, all the enemy had to do was get the list. Then they would know exactly where to go to confiscate all the weapons. Now, I’d like to think that people are not going to let anyone take their weapons but if a team similar to a SWAT team shows up at your house, you will not be able to stop them. You might be able to shoot a few of them but you will be dead too and they got your guns. So much for the revolution.

    • Patriot II

      Harold, Don’t you mean” “Voting FOR someone BECAUSE of his race IS Racism” ?

    • Ancestors are angry

      I believe the black and white president issue has not happened this whole time, is because everyone knew this would throw a tailspin in this country!!! Obummer was supposed to help us all become thankful we are Americans. He made it all worse. Yes I said ALL!!!
      Let’s not lose everything our fellow Americans worked for to get us here. (before 2008) thanks all politicians!!!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      He pulls that (expletive deleted) and I bet he won’t be alive long.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      The T.S.A. is the National Police Force. Check it out, find out why they are increasing their numbers and their technologies. Lee Belinger’s web site can provide you with all the information, you need. Whatever you do, you must be prepared for the worst case scenario. I have been building up my supplies for four years. Buying ammunition, food, water, camping gear etc. As much as I could afford. Better to be safe than sorry.

      • truesoy

        Have you thought about the NSA and the Patriot ACT?. Food for thought.
        And it was not Obama’s.
        But you all loved Bush, right? that’s his baby, and it is coming of age. Sing happy birthday, now, and do so every year from now on.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

        • shavager

          Yeah, and Conservatives OPPOSED both NSA and Patriot Act programs just like the left did–on CONSTITUTIONAL GROUNDS, not just because it was Bush. But YOU don’t CARE now that it’s OWEbumbler doing it, you march right in line behind the PIEP PIPER of socialism who’s playing George Soros’ and Maurice Strong’s TUNES of communist propaganda. Birds of a feather, FLOCK TOGETHER–OWEbumbler is supported by Ahmadenijad of Iran, Kim Jung IL, jr of N Korea, the American Communist Party, SEIU and most union leaders, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Vladmir Putin of Russia–the KGB president, HAMAS, Hezbollah, MoveOn.org, OccupyWall Street, Center for American Progress,Apollo Alliance, ACORN, Tides Foundation,Joyce Foundation,Green Alliance, etc–ALL socialist/communist leaders or organization–majority of whom George Soros finances and controls.

    • Steve E

      For the past 3 years I too have thought about Obama cancelling the elections, especially if he is loosing in the polls. I sure hope we are wrong about that. This is one of the few times I hope I wrong. I’d rather be wrong in my prediction than to say “I told you so”.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Scares the crap out of you, doesn’t it? It does me! That would mean that we are already a communist country and that it all happened while we weren’t looking.

      • truesoy

        Steve E,
        Let me tell you the solution to your fears.: “get off the pipe”!!!.

        • Deerinwater

          “For the past 3 years I too have thought about Obama cancelling the elections”

          well, that’s three years longer then Obama has thought about it.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Hey Deerinwater, why don’t you teach the rest of us to read minds? How do you “know” what Obama’s thinking about?

          • Deerinwater

            The same way you do evidently.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, let’s see… yep, I’ve been tuned into the right mind all of the time and Obama’s been planning on destroying this evil colonial power for much longer than the last three years. I think you need to recalibrate because you’re not reading Obama’s mind.

          • Deerinwater

            Must be these cheap Walmart batteries in my crystal ball. I guess he could find the time to work it in, he’s got 5 years. I was thinking that Obama had plans to met up with Newt and Alice Krandam on the moon. Maybe he can do it before he goes.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            That’s what you get for shopping at Walmart. You’re not one of those Walmartians are you?

          • Deerinwater

            actually, ~` sometimes , but rarely ~ my sweetheart make a weekly pilgrimage though, every week without fail.

            I went with her once ~ we have separate houses so it was like a baby shower attendance, supportive role thang. yes baby, ~ nice ` you bet, Okay darling, if you want too Kitten. okay! Great! ~ it’s easy enough and worth it, it makes her happy. I prefer a happy woman over an unhappy woman any day.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, there is nothing fundamentally wrong with shopping at Walmart vs shopping with any other retailer. Just pokin fun at ya.

          • Deerinwater

            I can see the appeal Walmart offers everyone, especially the ladies and children. I think retailers have concluded women and children account for much of retail sales so it understandable.

            As for myself, I love women and children, they put color in my “would be” black and white life so i’d be most unwise to object while down deep I understand the political nature goes against small local business interest.

            I think Walmart understand this and has attempted to address it and offer a neighbor friendly image. How significant it truly is, is debatable. Did you know that Walmart is the State of Arizona second largest employer? The largest being Government it’s self?

            Doesn’t say a lot for Arizona does it?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, this just some more confirmation of what I already knew: that bigger is not always better. Too much government and too much Walmart. The only way Walmart could redeem itself with the communities and the small business that it displaced is to go out business. What the real problem with Walmart is: that the local people decided they’d rather have lower prices instead of local businesses so it’s a problem consumer mentality more than it’s a problem with businesses.

            Then again I’m going to put a large part of the blame on our government. It’s tax and regulation policies drove corporations out of this country seeking cheap labor so they could compete with cheap imports where the foreign governments didn’t have all of the business stifling taxes and regulations that US business have to find ways of making the consumer pay.

          • Deerinwater

            Finding myself a small local merchant , I agree completely. Being service oriented, I only had to compete with Sears and other larger interest. So it wasn’t exactly the same by comparison and of course, after Sears was done beating people up, my business flourished, I only had to live through it for 10 years and complete open charge accounts. Sears is now out of the Service business much like Bell Telephone, having gone on to greener grass and fatter profits.

            I can tell you an interesting story. Some 10 years ago my current lady friend worked at a meat processing plant, she was paid well and had worked her way up to processing management material. (she’s a little 105 pound wild cat) She overseen a production line. ~ It was a Private company owned by two men that did custom processing and packaging. They filled Sonic, Burger King, etc orders. They soon accepted a Walmart account, The Walmart account soon dominated the bulk of their work which seemed okay, until Walmart bought one man’s interest in the plant and slowly managed to acquired 51% of controlling interest in the plant. Then Sonic & Burger Kings business grow less important and less competitive price wise. Then, the plants employees were confronted with lay offs, and fewer people asked to do more work and pay reductions as Walmart management took over. And that is how Walmart can buy a meat processing plant at 50 cents on the dollar and offer very competitive retail prices. The low prices paid by a neighbor losing their job or now underemployed with all the ramifications associated with being underemployed.

            That is what is not pretty about Walmart. Strangely, she shops Walmart.

          • vieteravet

            Drowning deer, First allowing fags to serve openly in the military. 2- Obamacare (yuo have to pass it brfore you can read it). 3- Leaking info to Iran about Isreal’s possible attack. 4 – Creating an enemy list of Romney’s donors and acting on them. 4- His racist bunch of cronies at the DOJ. 5- His pro!motion of class warfare. There a whole lot of $hit I hate about the Kenyan Village Idiot

          • vieteravet

            Sorry about the spelling flubs – it’s late, I’m doing this in the dark because my grand daughter is sleeping in a portable crib in my bedroom.

    • truesoy

      ‘You are expecting an election surprise from Obama”; really?.
      You should worry less about Obama and worry more about your ‘conservative americans’, because they are threatening ‘armed’ revolution if Obama gets re-elected. Those are the trully scary fellows you should worry about.
      Now, that is what real conservatives think of the constitution. Surprised?

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • JeffH

        truesoy, Really? I mean really? Been reading your posts for a while now and have yet to see you make a comment based on nothing more than your opinion.

        Try finding some facts for a change…or are you jusy cozy with your own self ignorance. You have no one to fear but yourself.

      • http://msn sophillyjimmy

        Truesoy, take another hit off that crack pipe since you have to be high to have heard the conservatives are going to take up arms if our candidate loses, remember who was doing the intimidating at polling places last November in Philly, it wasn’t the conservatives it was you liberal and radical New Black Panther Party. And let the try to intimidate me, I will have something for them and it won’t be the lever under the big D

    • http://msn sophillyjimmy

      I do believe that is his objective Harold but he will need 4 more years to have his wish come true and I don’t think that will happen.

      • truesoy

        I often wonder what makes a conservative a non-believer about the political shortcomings of their ideolgy and the subsequent negative consequences of the implementations of said agenda.
        Here I refer to the blind faith you exhibit on a cause of which you know nothing, apparently. Thereby I ask you, do you really know the reason why you are a conservative, or do you just think you do?.
        Aside from the fact you’re calling me a ‘lying ‘crack head’, and for which I take no offense, being tha I know you don’t know any better, I will tell you that facts are not on your side, and neither is credibility. But I still don’t fault you, other than your failure to, with due dilligence, secure/search for the truth in the right places.
        The issue here is what the Republican Party in Green County, Virginia said in their march newsletter.
        Yes, they advocated ‘armed rebellion’ if Obama was to get re-elected. There is my proof, need I say more?. They, the republican party said it, not me. Maybe now it is time for me to ask, who is smoking crack?
        This doesn’t say much for the self-appointed defenders of the Constitution, does it?. Nor it speak too highly about you, and/or the likes of you (JeffH included here) that fight for a cause about which they do not know all they should know.
        Please know the people you are supporting, and their agenda; they are not on your side.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

  • newspooner

    We must destroy the culture of racism. Start by getting rid of the racist questions on the Federal Census. Continue by ridding all government documents and licenses of all references to race in identification (e.g. the federal firearms purchasing forms), and wrap it up by totally abolishing “affirmative action” and any other government programs that use race as any kind of qualifier, identifier, categorizer, or quota determiner.

    Individual racism is bad. Institutional racism is worse. Governmental racism is the worst of all.

    Have you ever noticed that Libertarians are the least racist of any associaton of people?

    • Vigilant

      “Have you ever noticed that Libertarians are the least racist of any associaton of people?”

      And upon what research study/poll/statistical analysis do you base that statement?

      • Maryland Freestater

        I’m a card-carrying Libertarian and I canand WILL state that with impunity!

        Much of our racial problems were created by Dem. Pres. and ‘progressive’ Woodrow Wilson, the Godfather of the UN (League of Nations) when, in 1911, Wilson revoked the rights of Black Americans and institutionalized James Crow – forbade blacks from serving in the military except in menial roles (cook, ship’s steward) and marginalized them in all aspects of life.

        Libertarians don’t give a hoot about skin color, and would have done away with anything which marginalized Black people. I myself would make Maryland a meritocracy and a color blind stste – ‘quotas’ and ‘minority set asides’ both send the message that nonwhites (or ‘blacks’) aren’t good enough to compete with white people (or any others for that matter) and that’s still tatamount to telling dark-skinned people they’re inferior: set-asides invite corruption and waste because some company should not win the bid just because the ownership is minority if their product is shoddy.

        I have personal experience with both of the last two conditions I’ve mentioned. So while I’m NOT citing CATO for why I believe and think Libertarians to be nonracist, I’ve never met one, at least here in Maryland or reading about Libertarian issues, to show a hint of racism.

        Same for sexism – Libertarians regard sexuality as a personal matter which the gov’t has no right poking its nose into at any and all levels; parents need to make choices on how to raise their children. Don’t like gay marriage, well, don’t marry a Gay!

        Finally, don’t confuse prejudice with reacism – not the same. I am one of the MOST prejudiced people I know, yet the least racist simultaneously. I judge people according to their actions, not their paint jobs. If your actions say one is an a$$hole, then you’re an a$$hole and stay away from me ‘cos you have bad breath. Then if one is a decent human being, well I’m hip with that and we can be friends.

      • ash splinter

        Vigilant- I guess libertarians aren’t racist as a whole-Just Ron Paul & his son Rand.

      • DaveH

        Ash, I would have to qualify your remark as an outright Lie, since I can’t believe that even an ignorant Liberal could innocently believe that.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFPMNDIbGJ8

        The truth is that Big Government Leaders has been using the Race Issue to get elected at the expense of the Blacks since at least the Civil War. By passing legislation favoring certain minorities they just create resentment among the non-favored classes, and that intensifies and prolongs Racism.
        And by “protecting” Blacks (or women, or other minorities) the Government actually keeps them from bettering themselves and striving to succeed which results in their being captured by poverty and the misery that results from being dependent on the Dole.
        If not for meddling Politicians, there is no doubt in my mind that our racial problems would now be mostly non-existent.
        I believe that most of the Leaders could care less about Blacks, they just want their votes.

    • Malmo Boeung

      I listed my race as “American” on the last census. Bleep them!!!!

      • newspooner

        That was good on your part. Other clever responses to that racism might include “human” or “GFY!”.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          when asked “SEX” I alwasy write “not since Thelma Lou left town” LOL

      • JeffH

        :) Ditto that on my census form also.

      • http://none 1 Son of Liberty

        That’s what I am “American”. What if all of a sudden we had Polish Americans, German Americans, Irish Americans, Greek Americans, Mexican Americans and lets not forget White Hispanics…..LOL. We don’t have enough months to go around for every possibility. Maybe Black history month should only be a week. In the scheme of things compared to other races that have contributed for thousands of years to be fair they should only get one day for the two hundred years they have sometimes contributed to. Romans, Greeks, Persians Spaniards and other ancient races surely have much more history and have contributed to higher mathematics, astrology and the arts. Two hundred years is a drop in the bucket compared to contributions of other races. Fair is Fair but not with Affirmative Action stopping equality.

    • CJ

      Unfortunately for your ‘head in the sand’ perspective, racial demographics are necessary to prove or disprove racial bias isn’t taking place. Without it, there would be more accusations of racism, not less. You can’t have it both ways. Racism is in the attitudes of people, not the statistics.

      • newspooner

        Nonsense! Stop apologizing for racism.

      • DaveH

        We can’t have a “color blind” society, as MLK advocated, if we are constantly reminded of our differences by Power-seeking Big Government Leaders.

      • JeffH

        DaveH…exactly right!

    • Anastasia Beaverhouser

      lol-you live in a dream world……race is asked on many documents because it is a description of the person….so on important documents we need this. Who isn’t proud of what race they are? In your line of thinking then the male/female part should be slashed from all documents also.

      • newspooner

        Nonsense! Descriptions can be tallied without categorizing by race. Don’t apologize for racism.

    • Flashy

      “Have you ever noticed that Libertarians are the least racist of any associaton of people?”

      then the vast majority of posters on this board aren’t Libertarians …

      • Paul B.

        You just can’t help yourself Flashy from pushing that racism button. I believe it is a component of your genetics. You Rev Sharpton have a lot in common… di you school together???

      • Flashy

        Merely pointing out the obvious. I didn’t bring it up, just stating the obvious result …

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Why are you on this site. I don’t understand why anybody reads or responds to your inane posts.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Capitalist – Flashy has stated a few times now that he is here because he is paid to do “research” for his job …… and you’re right he is kind of a goof – but proves why we aren’t impressed with the left with each of his posts.

      • eddie47d

        Flashy hit the nail on the head again! Great aim!

      • DaveH

        Perhaps, Flashman, you could show us how you come to the conclusion that the “vast majority” of the posters on this board are racist?
        Until that unlikely event, I will call you a liar and a slanderer. Yeah, I know, so what’s new?

        • Deerinwater

          That’s the unusual nature of bigotry, the inflicted are the last ones to know, assuming they might ever know.

          This oblivious nature makes bigotry a hard nut to crack. Chip’s thread is predicated on the oblivious nature of bigoted racism, metering the time that it might raise it ugly head like he was waiting on a train to arrive at the depot.

  • MAP

    Well Chip, since you see through the racism hoax, with its double standards and absurd contradictions, I suspect you will not be voting for Obama. You, obviously, have intelligence beyond that of the ameba or liberal, which is to say the same thing.

    • Maryland Freestater

      PLEASE refrain from insulting single-celled Americans! They have feelings too!!

    • truesoy

      Yep, I would have never known there is no racism here had you not told me so. And you are not a racist, either, right?.
      By the way, have you noticed how beautiful a day is in wonderland?

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

  • Power To The People

    Actually there is only one race….the human race. There are color differences of skin pigment. So if almost all people of one skin pigment vote for the candidate of the same….or similar skin pigment….maybe its bias??

    What ever…..in our double standard country, one pigment class has a right to do this while the lighter pigment class does not. Go figure.

    • Vigilant

      “What ever…..in our double standard country, one pigment class has a right to do this while the lighter pigment class does not. Go figure.”

      In the voting booth, the “lighter pigment class” has just as much right to select a candidate as any class.

  • Martha

    Obama isn’t black, he’s half white. It’s time for a real black president.

    • Vigilant

      “It’s time for a real black president.”

      No, Martha, it’s time for a president and Congress that take the oath of office literally and seriously. Skin color is irrelevant.

      • Maryland Freestater

        LIKE!

      • Patriot II

        Vigilant; Right!, also the President should be a resident of the United Sates as well!

      • JeffH

        Hear Hear! :)

    • louie1

      Actually, it’s time for a 100% American president. Color really doesn’t mean much, only patriotism and putting our country first and foremost.That’s long overdue.

      Personally, as a white 75 year old Conservative, I believe a good ticket fitting those qualities would be Alan Keyes and Alan West and I don’t give a hang about their colors, only their Americanism. Real defenders of this country have become few and far between and that gray half-breed in the Oval Office is far from being a defender of our country when he’s methodically destroying the Constitution and the laws of the land. He makes me physically ill and I just hope i outlive my illness long enough to see Obama ejected from the White House through our election process. If we can eliminate The Spanish vote counters owned by George Soros. Don’t the Lefties realize how much harm they’ve done to our country themselves and their families by putting the Fraud-in-Chief in office? Horrible.

      • Deerinwater

        “. Don’t the Lefties realize how much harm they’ve done to our country themselves and their families by putting the Fraud-in-Chief in office? Horrible”

        What is horrible is that you fail to recognize the racism in your posting or in Martha’s.

      • http://none ann anderson

        Amen, Color is the outside superficial, it’s whats inside that really counts and if Obummer was white, I still would not of voted for him and his communist, socialist policies and his
        record of freeloading and having a very thin resume.

      • whydoubt

        So, let me get this right – the only way “Black America” could disprove the warped accusation of being wholesale Racist in 2008 would have been to vote AGAINST every logical policy-related argument and support John McCain, so as to be NOT called Racist?

        Obama has done exactly none of the ridiculous things forecast prior to his inauguration; now, equally preposterous vile fear-mongering predictions designed purely to scare voters are being thrown around. Racism is attaching hate to anything Obama, when if he were white, not a single one of these accusations would be out there. He is about as race-neutral as any other Democrat since Jimmy Carter. Go re-read the predictions of 4 years ago, see how none have been realized, then look into your own hearts and ask yourself precisely what evil he has supposedly accomplished in his 4 years. Exactly how, when and where has he been dividing the country?

        You people are insane, missing the realities of who is really feeding the B.S. to you. Take away your stupid, meaningless straw issues like guns, abortions, Obamacare, affirmative action, blah, blah, and you might catch on that your beloved politicians don’t give a crap about you, your rights, your lack of education or a chance to better yourselves. All they want is your votes, to swing elections so THEY can rig the bets. I told everyone 12 years ago that the only thing Bush/Cheney cared about was making sure after 2 terms they and their cronies were richer and didn’t get caught.
        Nothing since has demonstrated I was wrong about anything – every one is richer today, despite illegal, immoral, wholesale sell-outs in every area, but especially to their oil buddies, Cheney’s Halliburton, and all while sacrificing thousands of loyal, patriotic, but gullible and misled sons and daughters serving in the military – oh yeah a disproportionate number of whom are minorities.
        Blame that on Obama and you sure as hell are racist pigs.
        “Enjoy Socialism”, etc. Hey, no, I ENJOY watching dim-witted folks holding Foreclosure sales after they’re bankrupted by the Big Cancer Bills they have because they’re UNINSURABLE. Accidents, illnesses are NOT answerable to prayers, noone deserves to get sick, and cancer can hit the healthiest without prejudice – no racism in disease.

        • Jeff

          Reports of the death of racism have been premature before – in 1865, in 1965, and in 2008.

        • Shavager

          Let me give YOU a dose of YOUR president: BLEW $832 BILLION stimulus promised for JOBS/Shovel ready projects ON CRONIES AND CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS. He BLEW $90 BILLION “green energy” dollars on companies like Solyndra that bundled hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars to him: Solyndra, ENER1, LG Chem, A123, Amonix Solar, First Solar, Solar Trust, SpectraWatt, LSP Energy,Unisolar, Raser Technology,Energy Conversion Devices, Azure Dynamics–ALL BANKRUPT–of top 36 companies he BLEW our money on-21 are BANKRUPT and other 15 ARE ON VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY. HE’S RUNNING GUNS TO MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD IN LIBYA, SYRIA JUST LIKE HE DID WITH FAST AND FURIOUS–HE’S RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATHS OF AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR AND 3 OTHERS IN LIBYA–KILLED BY THE SAME MUSLIMS HE’S RUNNING WEAPONS TO!! HE ABANDONED 4 AMERICANS AND WATCHED THEM DIE BEFORE JETTING OFF TO VEGAS FOR MORE CAMPAIGNING AND MONEY!! He GAVE $770 MILLION to MUSLIM COUNTRIES FOR MOSQUES AND COMPUTERS! He’s DRAINING YOUR POCKETS and running up HUGE DEBT–AND YOU GET THE BILL!!

          • Samdromeda

            Bush was right . We have become an ungovernable nation. The people rule. Remember Norman on Star Trek …”You will be controlled because we will serve you.” A well served population is a controlled population.

          • Jeff

            UNCLE BUMBLER:

            Well, you let too many minorities get to the polls and Obama won. I hope this doesn’t stop your enthusiastic fight against the forces of reason and moderation. Don’t take an overdose of cop killer bullets.

          • Shavager

            Jeff, we all know what’s coming–people like you will be crying alligator tears when the reality hits you because YOU won’t believe it. The biggest TAX INCREASE in the history of the world is coming in ’13–you saw the stock market DROP over 300 points because of the election results–just watch it drop WORSE than the ’08 collapse when 5% income tax increases hit in Jan, “sequestration cuts” kick in–yes those “cuts” OWEbama said would not happen–well HE LIED TO AMERICA–sequestration cuts have already been signed into law by OWEbama–they were HIS administration’s proposal–his Office of Budget Management director Jacob Lew was the author of the program, Lew said “We have an idea for the trigger…Sequestration”. AND $585 BILLION IN OTHER NEW TAXES coming next year–just watch the liberal news media who’s been LYING and DEFENDING HIM, start gnashing teeth and wailing in despair–Lockheed Martin is on verge of 123,000 LAYOFFS that OWEbama didn’t want them to announce until after election night and promised he’d USE TAXPAYER money to pay their legal fees FOR VIOLATING FEDERAL LABOR LAWS BY NOT GIVING EMPLOYEES 60 day notice as required by law. He will shut down coal mines and the cost of energy will SKYROCKET!! Remember when he said this in Jan, ’08: “under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates WOULD NECESSARILY SKYROCKET…even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad”. Gas prices will begin to rise again and food prices are set to jump approximately 25%. By 2014 midterm elections, DemocRATS will be an endangered species and the party will be finished for years to come by 2016 elections guaranteeing a GOP majority in Congress and a Tea Party Republican President.

          • Jeff

            UNCLE BUMBLER:

            So the market went down because Obama was re-elected? What ever happened to “buy on the rumor, sell on the news”? I guess that means the market has gone up in recent months because it seemed likely Obama would be re-elected. When the good rumor came to fruition, there was a sell off. Secondly, the drop was largely due to bank stocks. Under Obama’s leadership, the market went from 6,500 to over 13,000. I guess he’s not too toxic to the market.

            Good to see you’re still at it. Would cap and trade increase gas prices? Probably. The real issue is can we afford to continue depending on oil and coal for our energy indefinitely? Even natural gas, while cleaner than oil and coal, releases carbon into the atmosphere. I know that in your bubble climate change is a hoax, but I predict by the time the Bumbler grandchildren inherit the Bumbler Mansion, it may well be under water.

          • Shavager

            Jeff, hate to burst your bubble, scientific studies are finding that emissions from electric cars are just about as bad as those from gasoline or diesel powered engines–and those studies were done in foreign communities where those vehicles dominate the mode of transportation. AND to add to the prediction I TOLD YOU would happen–stock market will always react negatively to a DemocRAT president because the party is anti-business and pro-stifling business regulations—the following companies have LAID OFF workers since the election: Westinghouse Anniston 50 JOBS, Research and Motion Limited–makers of Blackberry smartphones 200 JOBS, Lightyear Network Solutions 12 JOBS, Providence Journal 23 full time JOBS, Hawker Beechcraft CLOSING 3 facilities and loss of 240 JOBS, Boeing REDUCING 30% of employees, CVPH 17 JOBS, U.S. Cellular 980 JOBS, Momentive Performance Materials 150 JOBS, Rocketdyne 100 JOBS, Brake Parts 75 JOBS, Vestas WIND SYSTEMS–WIND TURBINE MAKER 3000 JOBS, Husqvarna AB 600 JOBS, Center for Hospice NY 40 JOBS, Bristol-Meyers Squibb 480 JOBS, OCE North America 135 JOBS, DARDEN RESTAURANTS–CUTTING WORK HOURS to 28 PER WEEK because under OWEbama care–30 HOURS instead of 40–are considered FULL TIME jobs requiring employers to provide insurance, United Blood Services LAYING OFF 10% of Southern region workers. LOCKHEED MARTIN will now LAYOFF 123,000 workers–OWEbama told them NOT to give the FEDERALLY REQUIRED 60 DAY NOTICE before the election to protect HIM–and PROMISED TO GIVE THEM TAX DOLLARS TO PAY THE FINES Lockheed Martin WILL GET FROM VIOLATING FEDERAL LABOR LAWS. The following companies HAVE CLOSED OUT OF BUSINESS THIS WEEK or within the next month: Caterpillar in Owatoma, Minn, Albrecht Sentry Foods in SC, Target–Manassas Va., Target–Kissimee Fla., Target–Colorado Springs, KMART–Homer Glen, Illinois, KMART–Durham NC, Millenium Academy–NC, Andover Gift Shop–Andover Md., Movie Scene–New Hampshire, TE Connectivity–Nashville Tenn, Gomers Fried Chicken in Kansas City, Fresh Market store in Vermont, AGC Glass–Tenn, Roses dept store–NC, Meanders Kitchens–Seattle Wash, Bost Harley Davidson–Nashville Tenn, Townsend Booksellers in Oakland.

          • Jeff

            The stock market always reacts negatively to Democratic Presidents? Based on what – 1 day’s performance following Obama’s re-election? How about looking at the last 100 years, or the last 50, or especially the last 20? The stock market, and the economy as a whole, nearly always does better under Democrats. Compare Bill Clinton to the Bushes or W to Obama. Do you just dream this stuff or is it mainlined from Glenn Beck?

            As for emissions from electric cars, I don’t believe there are any. You’re probably talking about the source of the electricity used to recharge them. Clearly, if coal is the primary source, that’s a problem. But there are certainly much cleaner ways of producing electricity. It’s like saying eating salads won’t help you lose weight if you continue eating pie for dessert.

          • Shavager

            Jeff, stock market has now fallen 700 points since OWEbama re-election, it’s currently 1000 points DOWN from highest point it’s been in past two years. W. Bush AVERAGED nearly 3% AVERAGE GROWTH in economy after a high of 7.1% TWO YEARS after his TAX CUTS fully kicked in. OWEbama has YET to have any maintained GROWTH of 2% or higher. AND I HAVE A NEWS ALERT FOR YOU: 36 OWEbama administration members STILL OWE $833,000+ IN BACK TAXES! That was just RE-reported again on Saturday 11/17.

          • Jeff

            Uncle Bumbler:

            You are a veritable treasure trove of irrelevant information. You must be a lot of fun at parties and great on Jeopardy. You probably know more trivia about the Harding Administration than his own grandchildren. So, the market only went up from 2009 until a month ago because investors were sure Romney would be elected? Markets go up and down. The market will go up again (thanks to Reagan, naturally) and it will go down again (Obama’s fault, of course). Keep slingin’ it Uncle B. It keeps you young.

          • truesoy

            Jeff,

            I don’t write much here anymore, although I do read this blog sometimes just for the amusement. And it is amusing to read some of what it is said here. One thing though, I can’t figure out why in the world are you still going around in circles with Uncle Bumbler, other than for the entertainment he/she (don’t know the gender) provides. Other than that is like chasing one’s tail.
            And Uncle Bumbler will never understand because he can’t.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Truesoy:

            Uncle Bumbler is like a long lost pen pal I rarely hear from. I’ve been on a lot of the other threads here and he’s actually far closer to sane than some others I’ve run across. We had quite a group on the one about the Media not Telling the Truth (I guess about Obama’s birth). These things go far afield and sometimes you find out that someone who appears to be nothing but a right wing wise ass, while still wrong, is actually capable of thought. Yes, it’s mostly for entertainment value.

            I even met Tag, of undefinable age, who was convinced I was accusing Romney of dodging the draft in WWI because I mentioned what he said about the Navy being larger in 1916 than now. I’m thinking of writing a book.

          • truesoy

            Jeff;

            Well, I see your point and, if it is a good pastime that that you enjoy from Bumbler the entertainer, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be good for the soul, however it would be even nicer if Uncle Bumbler was to learn something from it.
            Good hearing from you, again, anyway.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Do you think our Dear Uncle has ventured outdoors since the “unavailability” of George Zimmerman to properly police the neighborhood?

          • truesoy

            Jeff,

            I don’t know if he’ll venture out, but, I wonder if he’ll then wear a ‘hoodi’?

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Uncle Bumbler:

            What is going on with you Florida Gun Nuts anyway? Another shooting of an unarmed Black kid at a gas station. What was he doing, trying to vote? Or just threatening to do so in 4 years? Is Michael Dunn one of your buddies or does he just escort you to the Senior Center? All these racial shootings. You’re becoming the New Mississippi.

          • Jeff

            Uncle Bumbler:

            The market went up 270 points today. Must be because Paul Ryan is still a Congressman, huh?

          • Jeff

            UNCLE BUMBLER:

            Did you notice the market went up 100 points today? Don’t investors understand the Bumbler Theory? What a surprise – wrong again!!!

          • Jeff

            UNCLE BUMBLER:

            Have you noticed the market has gone up quite a bit lately? It must be because Reagan was once President and we’ll someday have another Republican in office. I hope nothing’s happened to my favorite uncle. Your witty (even if irrelevant) repartee always brightened the day.

          • Jeff

            Uncle Bumbler:

            Are you still alive? If not, hope you “remembered” me in your will. You’ll be happy to know the Dow just passed 14,000. I guess everyone in the market agrees with Dick Morris that Romney won the election?

          • Shavager

            YEAH, Jeff go ahead–make our day–INVEST ALL YOUR MONEY in this stock market–it’s on a FAKE RECOVERY–buoyed ONLY by the Q3 Federal Reserve money–The BOTTOM’s COMING later this year–FEDS can’t keep printing money–ever heard of inflation–well what’s coming is STAGFLATION–collapse of the U.S. dollar value. OWEbama is SO DESPERATE for China to keep LOANING money–he’s allowing them to take over federal property in U.S. for trade empowerment zones–they will be setting up CHINESE businesses with Chinese people in these areas. He’s also reversed a 2005 Bush Executive order DENYING China investments in U.S. energy market–China NOW OWNS 33% INVESTMENTS in OIL RIGHTS IN FEDERAL PROPERTIES in Wyoming, Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Ohio, and Michigan though Devon and Chesapeake Energy companies. China also bought Canadian energy company, Nexen Inc. and their deepwater drilling technology as well as THEIR RIGHTS TO DRILL IN U.S. WATERS IN THE GULF–so while OWEbama continues to VIOLATE Federal Court orders against his moratorium–China will be drilling U.S. oil in U.S. waters and shipping it to China. Yeah, blubber some mo’ about your muslim president. Remember “Fast and Furious”?–he’s RUNNING GUNS TO SINOLOA drug cartel in Mexico through CIA and ATF–he LIED and Americans and Mexicans DIED. Benghazi-gate? He’s RUNNING GUNS TO MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD IN Benghazi and Syria to overthrow the Bashar Assad government running Syria. I CALL IT TREASON–YOU can read it for yourself in Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. LOOK IT UP!

          • Samdromeda

            As T.Bone Pickins said when his fresh water pipeline is in place “You won’t have any water.” We get to drink the toilet water. The guy in Ohio who invented the car engine that ran on water is mysteriously dead and so is his son. There is plenty of water on the planet. Do we really need a fossil fuel based economy or is it a cash flow problem? A message is being sent..”Don’t mess with our game or you will feel the pain.” They did not like stainless steele cars and they do not like technologies that put the oil barons out of business. This is what the scriptures is talking about, in reference to our time, when it says…”Hurt not the wine and the oil.” Dependence on oil is “Good for business.” But it is not entirely necessary.

          • Jeff

            Uncle Rip van Bumbler:

            And yet he’s likely to win Florida. I guess you’ll have to redouble your efforts to suppress the vote. Remember, hassle ANYONE whose skin is darker than yours. Maybe they’ll go home rather than deal with an old Bumbler like you. Start spewing some “facts” at them. Tell them Obama’s a socialist whose endorsed by Colin Powell, Mayor Bloomberg, and The Economist, all of whom know more about the economy than some Old Bumbler from Florida.

  • http://Yahoo Bob Herring

    I am just glad to see there are some black people that are not racist and vote for what’s best for the entire country.

    • Vigilant

      …but that’s only 5% of black voters.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        It is a remnant that has any sense.

    • Michael

      Bob, Obama IS best for America. All the talk of him being far left, socialist and communist is the insane paranoid delusions of the far right. Obama is the best president for everyday Americans we have had in 50 years. As far as 95% of blacks voting for Obama – its more idiocy to think they would not be very supportive of the first black presidency. Further, look who he is running against! Romney is clearly the worst Republican to run for president in the modern era. Even other big name Republicans who are endorsing him act like they are getting a root canal. Here is some really bad news for you far righties – most of the thinkers in the Republican party are sure they are going to lose come November. That is why quality Republican leaders like Jeb Bush and Chris Christie didn’t run.

      • Neal

        Nice try Michael. However, we are all watching. We know exactly what Barack has and hasn’t done. This country is in serious trouble.

        • http://Yahoo Bob Herring

          Neal, We just have different views and we disagree. My concern is Mr. Obama believes in Socialism and I am afraid he is going to destroy the American currency. We can not afford to keep spending money we do not have.

      • CJ

        Michael, you are not important enough for us to believe over our own eyes. There is NO valid proof of any claim you make. The liberal concept that ‘if you say it enough, it will be assumed or perceived as true’ doesn’t work on intellectual people.

      • http://Yahoo Bob Herring

        I personally think Christie is big mouth and would be bad for the country. Bush is a Bush and we have had two….your judgement of republicans appear to be bad too.

      • Maryland Freestater

        Michael, there is another – (kinda sounds like a cheezy Star Wars quote!) RON PAUL!! The msm media has totally marginalized him so it looks like Mittley will be the Rep. nominee.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Michael you are full of crap! Boxers on the same team fight each other all the time and can’t stand each other during and up to the event. But you will find them the next week dring together or hanging out at the gym. It is called competition. And Oblamya is being a sore sport with his lies and extortion by promissing free stuff.

      • http://naver samurai

        Way too much kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Doug

        Michael put down the kook aid and stop reading comics and main stream news you mind friend should be the poster child of for a mind is a terrible thing to waste! My cats have more going for them then you do. Anyone who would vote for Obamalanadingdong and Joe I am and Idiot really should have what is remaining of their gray matter sucked out! And next you are going to tell me he is natural born American and was born in this country. Oh and please show me the proof that they killed Osama dummies cousin who died years ago but our government kept him alive to spend our money looking for the boogie man!

      • Patriot II

        Michael; I will pray for your Soul and that you will come to your senses. The Leftists are confused, they think that Capitalism is Bad and Socialism is Good. Are you one of these?

        Jesus was a Capitalist, but he was against Greed! You Find Greed on both sides of the Isle, Greed is Bad, Greed IS sin, and IT ALONE is the culprit here. The only side of the Political arena that seeks to demonize capitalism is the left wing of the Democrats. Hmmm,… whats up with that?

        Greed finds its way into Socialism in the way that is demonstrated now by the Current people who are controlling this President. They are convincing people like you into thinking their way is better in order to exploit you and use you for their own personal Gains and Power. Make no mistake about it. The tragedy is that 50% of the people in this country are dinking their Kool-Aid. If this Deceitful lying Person gets re-elected I will say now, “I told you So” Wake Up Brother before it is too late!

        This current Socialsm movement is exactly how Satan works.

        P.S. those of you who think Jesus was not a Capitalist, better go back and read the Gospels. It is NOT the Central Government’s Job to take care of people in need, it is our job as Individuals to do so one on one and through our local Church Families. Show me where Jesus says Tithe unto your Government! who waste you money. And those of you who spout off about “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” , Jesus meant if you buy into to Caesars Corrupt World of Politicians, (like DC today) and their Greed, then play their game, not his.

        To quote another famous Patriot on here, “For God and Country”

      • Nadzieja Batki

        O is a Marxist/Fascist/Populist/Humanist/Globalist etc., all rolled into one.
        You, Michael, have a difficult time identifying what makes up the character of a man. What a man is comes through by his words and the actions that follow.

      • toptiermentor

        Michael, just because you say Obama is a great president does not make it so. Just because you think he is a great president does not make it true. You may believe it, but you would be wrong. He is OBJECTIVELY the worst president we have ever had. Most agree that he has already surpassed Carter as being the worst in the modern era. There is not a single thing he has done that has been good for our nation as a whole. He is an empty suit, a racist, a liar, a hypocrite and so much more……

        • shavager

          OWEbumbler is the most CORRUPT president of OUR lifetimes, he’s violating Federal and International laws by providing weapons ILLEGALLY to drug cartel murderers in Mexico, he has violated Constitutional law by installing dept. heads WITHOUT Senate confirmation, Senate WAS NOT in recess as REQUIRED BY LAW for recess appointments, he’s violating FEDERAL COURT ORDER to lift the oil moratotium in the Gulf, at a time when CBO has identified at least $430 BILLION in WASTE, FRAUD in duplicative govt. programs, OWEbumbler’s SPENDING $4.2 BILLION PER DAY–TWICE what Bush was spending and nearly 4 TIMES Clinton’s spending. He’s authorized use of military to DETAIN citizens indefinitely without trial–violation of Constitution and Posse Comitatus Act. Some of you just have “chills” up YOUR LEG about this president but that’s primarily because YOU seethe with envy and jealousy against the rich and successful and YOUR ambition to succeed is limited to GOVT CONTROL and TAKING FROM OTHERS TO GIVE TO YOU–Karl Marx’s COMMUNIST mantra in short form. YOU have no ambition for freedom or liberty, YOU are willing to settle for govt. controlled “security” as the driving force of your life, in every corner of the world–this has FAILED miserably and lead to MILLIONS OF DEATHS and MURDERS.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Bob – there are very few out there, but I will say the few there is , are great people. I have several friends that are blacks and they hate, what they call the stupid N-ggers, that lower the equality of their race. Alan West would get my vote and I an white as you can get.

  • Malmo Boeung

    The thing i love about our “Black President” is that he is only 6.25% black, whereas George Zimmerman, the “white Hispanic” had a black grandmother making this “white Hispanic” FOUR TIMES as black as our Feckless Leader!!!! Oh, the double standard….

    • Vigilant

      Where do you come up with 6.25%?

      • Malmo Boeung

        50% white and, from his father, the rest is Arab/Semitic, except for the 6.25%, which is black African.

      • Vigilant

        Would you kindly link to a reputable source for that assertion?

    • eddie47d

      Where’s the double standard? Zimmerman killed a human being so what are you Really trying to prove in that statement? Most Americans have gotten over that kind of bias for some time now and don’t make it a full time job bashing blacks or any other minority. The Sharpton’s and David Dukes need to get a real life instead of keeping this country on edge.

    • Michael

      Dude, his mother is white and his father is black so he is 50% white. But that is pretty much irrelevant because he LOOKS black and that is all it takes in America to BE black. That is why HE considers himself to be black. I suggest you read the book “Black Like Me” if you have an open mind.

      • Witsend

        Obama considers himself to be Black because it is to his advantage to do so. He, and his politics, would have received few, if any, votes for President if he were White.

      • DaveH

        I love Thomas Sowell, and he is Black.
        I don’t love Obama, and he is only half-black.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        O is only a symbol for your own blackness since you are so preoccupied with nothing else but the skin color.

  • Dwight Mann

    Here is the deal. . . We are all Americans first and foremost. If that bothers you, you need to leave. Speak English, and support the constitution, and judge each person as an individual.
    Ron Paul in 2012 ! ! !

    • Michael

      Well said but not welcome in this far right forum.

      • Average Joe

        Actually Michael, it is quite welcome here.

      • DaveH

        What is Far-Right about seeking Liberty, Michael?
        Are you against Liberty?

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I agree with you, Dwight! I also agree with Martin Luther King when he said ” I dream of the day when man will be judged by the content of his character and not by the color of his skin”. I dream of that day! My daughter in law is half black and I love her dearly! I could not love her more! My grandson is part black and he is the light of my life!!! The color of their skin makes no difference at all! When obummer was running for office I yearned for someone my grandchildren could look up to. I thought that it would be wonderful to step beyond race and really unite people of all races. Alas, I knew that he wasn’t the man for the job. As much as I wanted a black president I just couldn’t vote for this man. I had no idea that he would turn out to be so terrible. I had no idea that he was a communist! He is our worst nightmare. And like Martin Luther King said, he should be judged by the content of his character. He is just plain evil. HE IS EVIL! My greatest hope is that someday Martin Luther King’s dream will come true.

      • Doug

        And Nancy MLK did some things but hate to tell you he was also a Communist!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Doug, I don’t know if that’s true or not and I don’t want to spend the time to research it. He is no threat to us. The threat is in the whitehouse and I KNOW that that man is a communist! I still believe in the quote and dream of the day when man will be judged by the content of his character and not the color of his skin. If both black people and white people would live by this, we wouldn’t have racism. There are good black people and bad black people. There are good white people and bad white people.

      • JeffH

        Doug, while I can see how you can accuse MLK of being a communist by his many associations, MLK was never a Communist and was always critical of the Soviet Union, he had knowingly surrounded himself with Communists. His closest advisor Stanley Levison was a Communist, as was his assistant Jack O’Dell.
        http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/epstein9.html

      • Will CA
    • AR15ready

      Ron Paul would be a good V.P. which would balance the Republician scale to speak. As for President, he is not taken to seriously to gain the votes needed to win. What is needed is someone who will stand up to the Prez. and kick him to the curve. I voted for McCain in ’08, does that make me prejudice? No, I voted for McCain because he is a veteran, just as I am, who served for this country to keep it free for people like yourself that can still voice your opinion without downfall from the government. My personal opinion is; if the prez. is re-elected in November or stays in office due to SHTF, then our freedoms as we currently know them will change for the worst.

  • http://httpaol.com sean murry

    I never liked the SOB.

    • sesame

      Which one and Why?

  • Scott in SC

    FYI – Gary Johnson will be on Washington Journal (C-span 1) at 8:30 this morning.

  • ReaperHD

    When your Anti-American Commie Trash trying to destroy this Country you won’t get my vote….

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    race is an issue with BLACKS;; communism has NO COLOR, but if you support a black man who IS A COMMUNIST it makes YOU A COMMUNIST by association;; it is that simple. How much more of 100% is there if 98% voted for him last time; [2%] is meaningless. 53% of Americans with a brain is all that matters; we the people want him OUT.

    • Malmo Boeung

      Hmmmm.. I like this! Does this mean if I support Obama, I’m black and eligible for Affirmative Action??? ;-)

      • Average Joe

        This is the USA….anything is possible…..just sayin’

  • BJ.Holmes

    Anyone who voted for the “Black” president should now consider voting for his “White” half. The “Black” half has done a miserable job.

  • Indy Grandma

    I don’t like his white half either

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      looks to me his white half was a racist black loving whore.

  • Floridastorm

    Obama is not one half white and one half black. According to what I have recently read, he is one half white, one quarter black, and one quarter Arab. His father was only partially black. Putting that aside, does Obama look one half white? I don’t think he has any white in him at all. How that happened, one only knows.

    • sesame

      His mother was White. Do the math.

    • Michael

      Arab is an ETHNIC catagorization, not racial. That is like saying someone is not white because they are Italian.

      • Maryland Freestater

        I learned that at the beginning of the 20th century, Italians WEREN’T considered white.

      • eddie47d

        Thank you Maryland. Yes indeed other groups were discriminated against and had to hold their own. Some fought back in unique ways and got beaten for it. The Italians became so bitter they formed the mafia to give pride to their people. Unfortunately they became reckless and violent and hurt their ethnic heritage.

    • cawmun cents

      From top to bottom the guy(Omamba)is gray.
      He aint white and he aint black,and he aint transparent neither.
      He is gray-green……everything is a gray area except his support for Green Energy Parasites.
      Cheers!
      -CC.

  • Ana

    Sir/Madam: To say that Obama has the black vote in the bag is so untrue. I am an African American who saw through this man during the 2008 election and DID NOT vote for him neither did any of my family members. Our family do not vote Race, but issues and after hearing Mr. Obama speak with such arrogance, I knew he would not be good for this country which I love dearly. My Bible says: A humble man tastes the grace of God, but the haughty will be abase (paraphrased). I feel sorry for others who vote race, even though they see the detriment that has been done in our Country over the past four years. I do hope that the eyes of those who feel that because a person is of their race, they should support them, even though they see that the person has no love for our Country, would wake up. As stated in the Bible, “when an unrighteous man rules, the people mourn and when a righteous man rules the people rejoice. May God help us to return to God, who is the only One who can heal our Land.

    • MAP

      Beautifully said, Ana!

    • http://Yahoo Bob Herring

      Spoken Like a True American… we need more like you.

    • Michael

      Getting 95% of the vote of a group DEFINITELY means that group is “in the bag”. One weird characteristic of humanity is that someone will be against virually anything, no matter how bizarre that view is to the rest. For example, take 100 devote fundamentist Christians – at least one of them would be against the rapture. Its our nature.

      • http://naver samurai

        Care to cite a source on this one Michael? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Maryland Freestater

      How would YOU like to run for President, Ana??

      • http://none ann anderson

        I or anyone, especially Joe the Plumber would of handled the positon much better. Obama has ghost writers and telaprompters, liberals telling him what to do. I believe he is very
        unqualified, look at his thin resume and he never worked a real job (labor) or any job in his life span.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      wow I want to kiss you Ana. :)

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Thank You for speaking out, Ana. GOD bless!

    • Cindy

      VERY well said Ana!

    • DaveH

      Thanks for your input, Ana.

    • PaulthePatriot

      Ana, thank you for showing the Nation it is not about the color of your skin, but the color of your patriotism. Wearing the red, white and blue is what America has been about and should be about. Our blood show be red, white and blue, not black or white. Folks, this is our Country. Where will our miltiary stand if it comes to all you are talking about? One soldier already has been discharged because he spoke against the president in uniform. But the bottom line, God will put into office whom He wants based upon the electorial vote. Nebuchadnezzer lost his postion of power for a time and in Daniel 5:21
      “Then he was driven from the sons of men, his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild donkeys. They fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till he knew that the Most High God rules in the kingdom of men, and appoints over it whomever He chooses.” God will choose will shall be President as the day has come. Read Matthew 24, especially verses 36-39. These are the days we are in. And finally, there will be those skeptics and kingdom will rise against kingdom . . . will America rise against herself? God save America! Our only hope!

  • frank

    The blacks that are on food stamps and everything else they can get free from the government will vote for this food stamp president Obama. The blacks that are working for a living will not. They are the smart one’s.

    • Vigilant

      Sorry, Frank, that’s not entirely true. 95% voted for Obama. 95% are NOT on food stamps or welfare.

      Black unemployment rates are hovering around 20%. That means 80% are employed.

      Consider changing your statement to “People that are on food stamps and everything else they can get free from the government will vote for this food stamp president Obama.”

  • http://geefrost9@gmail.com Gary Frost

    Obama needs to be out voted.He is not as honest as people thinks.And racism is on the black side to.Wake up America.

  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone:
    The reason why Obama has the Black,Hispanic, Jewish, Women,Gay, and even Asian vote in the bag is because the Gop along with conservatives, as a whole, has alienated these
    groups. You all need to read the writings of the late William F. Buckley, plus late Jack Kemp that warned against this situation and the disaster it will eventual cause conservatives. My suggestion is to buck the trend. Hispanics are 17% , Blacks are 15%, and women, who overlapped in the above mentioned groups, are the majority of the U.S. pop. Make changes now or be doomed. Thanks and TGIF!!

    • Michael

      Well said Tony. Unfortunately the new right is visceral, not intellectual, so if they change at all it will be to make themselves even less appealing to the general population. We are witnessing the death of the Republican party. Even I, a lifelong Republican, can’t vote Republican anymore because of the low quality of the candidates. The ONLY reason any Republican gets elected anymore is because of the vast sums of money being dumped into politics by the facist super rich on the theory that with enough money you can sucker 51% of the voters into voting against their own self interests. Eventually even that is going to quit working and that will be the end.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Michael wher have you been and what planet do you reside on? Last I heard Obama has a billion dollar campain. Hell just recently him and his star friends had a $40,000 per plate dinner fund raiser. You lie as much as him. look in the mirror and talk out the other side of your ass.

    • Scott in SC

      I agree, it’s like Jerry Doyle says, “I didn’t leave the Republican Party, they left me.” And folks please don’t confuse Repulicans with conservatives because most aren’t. They’re just as pro big government as anyone on the left.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Tony -War on women. Ask antywomen if she thinks that rebublicans hate their wives, moms, sisters and women co workers and they will ask you if you have been drinking and smoking crack!!!

      • Deerinwater

        They don’t hate their wife so much as they hate other peoples wives, sisters and daughters.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Deer I am convinced your are an idiot!!

          • Deerinwater

            This ability to “convince” yourself without benefit of the facts is sort of the definition associated with a “idiot” Brad.

            Have you yet to understand, the world in see though the eyes mirroring back a self image.

            If that is too complicated for you, allow me to say it another way. You get back what you send out. ~ or to say ~ your world will never be anymore the what you allow it to be.

            If you don’t possess the capacity to see, it will never be a part of your world.

            So Brad? The only question remaining is, ~ How do you like your world so far?

            You must first posses things to be in the position to give them away.

            So what else do you possess besides insults?

      • Michael

        Women voters currently favor Obama by 12%. That means many don’t support them and you found them but come election day that 12% is going to make a big difference. You righties need to prepare yourselves, mentally, for the likelyhood of 4 more years of Obama. Eventually, even you, will admit you were wrong about him.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Michael if you are right you best prepare yourself for a fight because that is going to piss off 75% of the nation that did not vote for him and there will be blood on the streets of the US like you have never seen before.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Brad:
        No, i haven’t been doing any of those substances. Let me ask you this, have you been drinking moonshine made from the distillery in your backyard outhouse or have you been doing methadone from the corn cob pipe your grandaddy gave you? Just curious, yee haw and hee -haw!!

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          No Tony but I am going have coffee with a few 100 conservitives in the mornig though, we all meet for cars and coffee every Saturday morning to show off our many classic and exotic car collections. you see I am the rich prick you despise. but nice try.

      • http://liberty Tony

        In Response to Brad:
        Well sir, i’m a fiscal conservative that earns his bread from the sweat of my brow as stated in the old Testament in the Good book. This is something you “rich pricks” can’t comprehend. One good thing out of this bad sit. that the Gop is in, by 2016 they have their act together after this disaster, Then a Rubio/Watts ticket will take charge to lead into a golden age, Thus, the message is to be patient plus keep the faith as always!!
        TGIF!!

    • Doug

      Wow Tony if f you what you say is true then how did the Republicans take ove the House of Representitives in a land slide? You my friend are full of it! And please I have seen very few Democrates in my life time and I am 53 that I would even vote for to be the dog catcher. I agree the Republican old boys have been putting idiots up for president but the Tea Party and many other organizations are doing there best to back the once proud party. When I see the Democrate party I see nothing but red as in Communist and if you think that a good system to live under I suggest instead of reading someon opinions on that you read about history and what Socialism, Marxism and Communism does for anyone!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Tony, conservatives do not blow with the wind. We will never just say what you want to hear. We won’t give up our values to pander to groups of people, seeking their votes. We actually believe in conservative values. We would like to see this country returned to the greatness that it once was. Conservatives don’t hate groups of people. We hate the actions of people who are bringing down the country. We hate communism. We love freedom and liberty. We love morals and ethics. We seek good. We won’t change just to get a vote. We are true and sincere.

      • http://liberty Tony

        Dear Nancy:
        I hate to have to tell you this. But what you’re seeing here isn’t true “conservatives”. You see the meaning of conservative is to conserve, maintain, and build with progressing. What you see in today’s “conservatives” are reactionary types that have simplistic, tryannical designs. These types want to take our country back 40-200 yrs. This is where people like yourself is bare-foot, pregnant, wearing an apron and back in the kitchen. A person as myself, is either back in the cotton fields, a servant in the big mansion, or playing in a sport stadium to entertain the elite. Sorry for the extreme examples but this will be the result if these reactionaries get into power. As mentioned in my first post here, you should look at the writings of the late William F.Buckley, the late Jack Kemp, the recently retired talk show host Tony Brown, and Priscilla Buckley, the daughter of late William. These ideas are how ideal conservatism works. Lets hope the GOP can go back to these roots or we’re doomed. Thanks!! TGIF!!

  • MAP

    Consider the absurdity of the Left/Marxist agenda. It is so destructive and oppressive that no one in his right mind would support it (liberals have no mind to lose). That is the purpose of division. They create division among the races, among the queers, among the religious, and on every issue, to garner support. ‘Divide and conquer’ is the only means by which they can move forward. They thrive on anarchy and chaos.

    • Maryland Freestater

      True that!

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Amen MAP

  • JON

    A person will vote how they will vote no matter what color their skin may be. It would be like saying all people with red hair would only vote for Romney.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Who says Black voters will cast their ballot for President Obama just because he is half Black? Your obligatory false premise. Black support for President Obama, like many non-Black supporters, comes from his stands on the issues our country faces.

    By the way; white history and achievment have been and continue to be the main thrust of our education.

    What should Republicans do? Stop accepting the idea that by giving the rich more money it will trickle down to the rest of us. Repbulicans should start concerning themselves with the middle and lower class. The rich have been the benefactors of the wealth redistribution that has been in place since Reagan was in office (accellerated in the last 14 years or so).

    • http://Yahoo Bob Herring

      Doc….Republicans don’t divide classes, we try to look at the entire population and do what is best for all. Dividing America has been a ploy instituted by Obama…thats why he worries me. We need a leader that looks out for the entire country. We also need one that will cut all the waste in Washington….and stop this mad spending before we are no more.

      • Maryland Freestater

        I disagree – this started a long time ago, back in the 1800s when proto-Communism arose in Europe.

    • Mike Kartye

      If black support comes as a result of his stand on the issues, does that mean that 95% of black americans support abortion and gay marriage?

    • MAP

      Doc, this whole post is as senseless and absurd as anything else you have ever wasted space for here. It’s just more communist drivel, fit only for the gullible and/or mentally challenged. Does someone pay you for this silly propaganda and lies? Are you and Flashy on the same payroll?

      • Doc Sarvis

        It is obviously hard for some here to look clearly at the issues. I understand your difficulty.

      • Doug

        Here Doc Doolitte look at these stictics and tell me where your Communist ideas of tax the rich tax the rich works!

        First off, what President Bush enacted into law cut taxes across the board on everyone, not just the upper echelon. The 15 percent rate dropped to 10 percent, 27 percent to 25 percent, 30 percent to 28 percent, 35 percent to 33 percent, and 39.6 percent to 35 percent. Now go ahead and ask a lib which income bracket received the highest cut. Oh, snap: That would be the lowest income threshold, which nosedived five percentage points.

        The whole “tax cuts for the rich” is pure bunk, a lie that liberals shamelessly popularize. Not that this should surprise us one bit. Here we have a Democrat Party in America that couldn’t agree on a puny $1.2 trillion in spending reductions over a 10-year-period. That means that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi’s minions refused to slice off what amounts to $120 billion dollars a year of a federal budget nearly topping $4 trillion. Instead they insisted that taxes be jacked up to pay for their statist programs.

        Next up, we have the line that tax cuts blew the lid off of our deficit. That’s funny, because during the last year a Republican budget controlled Congress (fiscal year 2007), the deficit stood at a minuscule $161 billion dollars. $161 billion! That’s at least five years into the tenure of those evil tax cuts. Moreover, as HUMAN EVENTS has previously reported, federal tax receipts actually went up while the tax cuts were accelerating. In other words, the United States Treasury received more money not less because of the Bush tax cuts that we’re told ruined America’s economy.

        See for yourself:

        $1.88 trillion in 2004

        $ 2.15 trillion in 2005

        $ 2.4 trillion in 2006

        $ 2.6 trillion in 2007

        The last figure was actually the highest dollar amount brought into the Treasury Department… ever. That’s right, folks. While Democrats wail and whine about tax cuts as the main culprit for this country’s deficit woes, it turns out that we were bringing in bagfuls of money at historic proportions during that same time.

        Idiots.

        Then there are the politically-savvy, but totally fallacious, calls for “shared sacrifice.” Naturally the Democrats don’t use that phrase to describe the nearly 50 percent of Americans who don’t pay any federal income taxes, but instead those who already pay the bulk of all federal, state, and local taxes. That aside, it’s the spending side of the lever that is completely out-of-whack, and has been so for a while. We’re now in our third straight year in a row with deficits exploding past $1 trillion dollars.

        So when a lib is babbling to you about “shared sacrifice,” you can remind him that his great leader Messiah Obama shattered two spending records: Giving America her first-ever $1 trillion dollar deficit, and number two, extending that history-making deficit three consecutive years.

        Heck, this guy has managed to increase the national debt by more than the first 41 presidents combined (George Washington to George Bush), and he’s managed to accomplish this feat in a mere 32 months.

        You go, Barack!

        And there you have it, the cutting evidence you need at your finger tips to eviscerate those unending lefty desires to slam us against the locker room and raid our wallets some more. Time to hit these Dems back

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          you are 100% correct Doug, BRAVO!

      • DaveH

        I don’t think so, MAP. Flashman is likely an administration operative who is purposely trying to disrupt Freedom-seeking people, but Doc is just ignorant.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          DaveH, I thought that about Flashy also. But then I believe in conspiracy theories.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        As DaveH remembers so well, Flashy has posted several times he’s paid to do “research” for his job…..

      • JeffH

        Libertytrain, oh how those pesky “moments of weakness” can rear an ugly head…when others clearly remember what “HE” says…darn, there was no mention of it in the manual I recieved :(

    • Power To The People

      Doc, you crack me up….what has the trillions spent since the 60′s on poverty, food stamps, HUD, federal education standards and all the other donkey demands actually achieved?

      • Patriot II

        It gets us into our current MESS, thanks Dems!! The Liberal policies of the Dems is like a Cat litter Box with no Litter, Crap gets covered up by Crap and the stink goes away becuase they bury THEIR Heads in the Sand (litter).

      • walter

        It made very good college educations available for men like myself. I was the first in my family to earn a degree. Guess what Power to the people, I raised six children, 5 of whom hold degrees. Wait, Power, it gets better,now I have grand children in prestigous universities like St. Johns, Georgia Tech, and yes, Harvard University, where my grandson is full time student on a full four year academic scholarship. Thanks Power to the people and thanks America, we are all full participants in this American Dream

        • truesoy

          Walter,
          you might be wasting your time there, he/she can’t see the forest because of the trees; it happens to some people.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • DaveH

        So Walter, with all that education it sounds like you and your family could do just fine without riding on other peoples’ backs.

    • Patriot II

      Doc, you are soooooo Ignorant

  • Pete0097

    i am a slightly bigoted white (really very light brown) and I supported Herman Cain for President. He had the right ideas to make America grow. By the way, I am against STUPID, ignorant, arrogant people and obama fits that to a “tee”

    • http://none ann anderson

      I feel Obama is a puppet and like a lava lamp has no spine or qualifications, It’s the bad
      liberals surrounding him that all need to go as well. I never voted for him thak goodness.

      • Doc Sarvis

        President Obama had the guts to go after bin Laden and give the order to take the terrorist out. More than the previous three Administrations (2 different Presidents) would.

      • Doug

        Doc please send me the proof that they killed Osama in Parkistan? Oh that’s right they have none nice try!

    • MAP

      Obama ia a liar and a clown. An evil clown.

      • Deerinwater

        And you are? Someone that knows about such things more so then others?

        Is this a special acquired skill or are you just gifted?

      • MAP

        Merely observant.

      • truesoy

        …and don’t forget, he was born in no longer a planet, Pluto.
        By the way, I think that tin-foil hat is a little too tight around your head.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

    • Patriot II

      Pete, I tend to agree with with you about Him, but lately I feel he is very intelligent since he intentially is trying to destroy this country and he is very clever in his way and we have all been duped by him and his bosses, the Elite Rich of the World.

      • Deerinwater

        All I can say Pete is, I’m glad you are not in charge of anything that affects me.

        Anyone that couldn’t see Herman Cain for what he was doesn’t need to be in charge of anything more important then a Snow Cone Stand, as long as it doesn’t have wheels on it.

        12 inch, 2 topping $9.99! ??? Get real! ~ He was a Rapper, Horn Dog, always was, always will be. A man of very low caliber and you want to install him in the White House?

        The Out House would be a better choice. He’s the only candidate that made Rick Satorium seem appealing.

        darn you Republicans! ~ You are Just too easily mesmerized ~ What has happen to you people?

        It wasn’t always this way! ~ there was a time I considered republicans very bright ~ But why is it now this “huge void” in being able to size up a worthy contender?

        We need some serious WORTHY opposition to make our form of government work correctly. You are not providing it with the likes of Herman Cain, Mitt Romney or Rick Santorum.

  • sabulaman

    Amen. Ana.

  • Wildman

    I know quite few Black people who are not going to vote Obama. If they stop nd think, just what have the Democras and Obama done forthem? Let more illegak Aliens in to take their jobs tha they use to have? I know many Black Minority contractors, who use to do sheet rocking, taping, painting, textureing, framing, and labors work. A lot of these jobs are now done by iIlegal aliens. At a much cheaper cost. Black People re just like White peole, they also have lost homes, ran out of un-employment benifits, want jobs, (not talk), they have families to raise, I feel as sorry for them as I feel sorry for nyone else who is in this mess. Take Hispanic Americans. They re fed up with illegal immigration also. They too have lost jobs that use to pay well. They have families, they were either born here or came here obeying our laws. Most of them re Catholic, and Obama has a continuing attack on the Catholic Church. Where I live, I hve four Black families, and seven Hispnic families fr neighbors. None of them like Obama. My wife is Sioux Indian, registered on the Rose Bud Reservation in South Dakoa. I am a white man. No racisum here. Every Siummer we get together for pot luck bar-b-cues and have great time. We lso wch out for each other and help each other, like old fashion neighbors do. Welive out in the country.

    • http://www.facebook.com/joelscopeland Joel Copeland

      Dude, seriously? Where did you go to school? Your mini-diatribe AND your lack of English skills makes me wonder if you aren’t a black liberal posing as “whitey.” Give it up, dude.

      • Maryland Freestater

        Joel, I disagree with your perception of the poster (except for punctuation and grammar – my inner Catholic-school student pops out!). I have NEVER been confused for a leftist (although I DID vote for Mikulski when she first ran ONLY because she was POLISH, one of US!) but I believe he’s correct.

        There is a deliberate divide and conquer movement by a covert Black Hand against regular people: race relations and the economy are in the toilet – WHY? Our American culture seems to be breaking down – WHY? I can keep on going. When you make statements like these, Joel, I believe You have been compromised by the Black Hand. This is not a criticism of you. It’s a criticism of Agenda 21 proponents and their foul mockery of the 10 Commandments, the ‘Georgia Guidestone’.

        EVERY reader of this website should become familiar with Agenda 21 and start asking questions (IE, research for yourselves) because this (Agenda 21) is undermining planetary culture, not just Americanism.

  • http://astrosynchronicity.us/stars vrajavala

    Perhaps when black voters hear that he shoved a black girl, named Coretta, when he wad a middle schoolers, they’ll back off. Harry Belafonte and Dr. Cornell West have already backed off.

  • Deerinwater

    I’m not sure of where you are trying to go with this Chip. “Too wonder how long it would take for race to come up”.

    So, are we attempting to discuss “time” or “race”?

    2 minutes would be about right.

    People will tend to favor other people that they identify with. If there was offered a candy cane candidate, it stands to reason he would receive candy cane support. Candy Cane people would, with sound reasoning think Mr. Candy Cane would serve them best, having walked in Candy Cane shoes and see the world thu Candy Cane eyes.

    This would certainly not explain all Candy Cane people, for beneath their Candy Cane exterior they share a common thread with all “Candy People” sugar and corn starch.

    Returning from Nam in 70, it took me 2 years to get settled into the field service industry, for the following 14 years I was a field service provider, requiring me to enter 10 to 18 customers homes per day of a large cross section of society. I’ve seen inside the homes of more Black families then most white people. That would be a safe statement to make. I have many stories at my disposal to tell.

    You learn to size up a home pretty quick in my business, regardless of who lives in it. It’s a part of my profession, it come with the job. You are walking into their kingdom. How you conduct yourself is related to your success.

    Besides the normal pictures of family, do you know who’s picture would you expect to find displayed on their wall? Well~ Yes, you will find Jesus, but who else? ~~ Martin Luther? Yes, sometimes but John F Kennedy will always be there. They loved JFK. He was killed in 63 and 12 -18 years later his picture still hangs beside Jesus.

    If there was contest held today between Obama and John F Kennedy, Obama would be in serious trouble. Of course, that will never happen but I hope it offers some balance to your commentary about the nature of people.

  • Average Joe

    Chip says,
    “If Romney is to have any kind of chance this year, he must select someone who will get potential voters to work like crazy for his election. Those dedicated doorbell pushers and yard-sign displayers aren’t going to come from the liberal side of the ledger.”

    Romney has no chance at all Chip…because he is another business as usual candidate…period. All of those dedicated doorbell ringers….are alreay doing so…for Ron Paul….maybe you should look into Mr. Paul?
    Mr. Woods, I have always enjoyed your columns, however after a staement like that ..I am losing respect for your opinion…quickly. Romney?…For President?……Sir, have you lost your friggin’ mind?…Not in this life………

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    • newspooner

      I don’t believe that Chip said he supports Romney. It seemed to me that Chip was just speculating about Romney’s chances of being elected. I think Chip agrees ~100% with Ron Paul.

      • Average Joe

        While I understand what you are saying…if true, why bother mentioning Romney at all in the article?…Just saying….

    • Patriot II

      Joe; Most Republican don’t want Ron Paul, becuase of his “Jimmy Carter Approach” to the Military which overweighs the issue of Personal Liberty (at this Juncture). Although I can see his point, we are not at liberty (no Punn intended) at this point to do what he wants militray wise. I voted for Ross Perot and it assured that the worse of the two evils got in.

      If Paul decides to run on an independant Ticket, who will benefit? Romney or Obama? Can we afford to take that Chance? Although I agree with you on some things, I think we may need to face reality and Ron Paul should do his level best to defeat Obama, wouldn’t that really be by endorsing Romney. Sad but true isn’t it? I believe Ron Paul can do more good in the Congress at this time in History.

      • Average Joe

        “Most Republican don’t want Ron Paul, becuase of his “Jimmy Carter Approach” to the Military which overweighs the issue of Personal Liberty (at this Juncture”

        It is nice that you have an opinion…do you have anything to support your opinion…other than more opinion?
        So far in my talks with other conservatives and republicans…..70-80% are firmly behind Ron Paul and his message…as well as his foreign policy. Considering your comment, I must speculate that you are one of the people who do not in fact…understand Dr. Paul’s Foreign policy ideas. Please spend less time listening to the MSM (talking heads) and more time…actually listening to Dr. Paul…from his own mouth. Ignoarance of the facts can be replaced…with actual knowlege.

        While some folks (like you ) would like to continue with business as usual candidates who continue to destroy our nation through moral and financial degradation….many more of us…want something different….what we have been doing…is obviously not working very well….and it is time for a new approach.

        The choice seems quite easy for most of us.
        Do you enjoy paying high taxes?
        Do you love the police state that America is becoming?
        Are you happy with never ending wars?
        Do you revel in the fact that the Federal Reserve devalues your money …every time the start up the printing presses (digital now, but you get the idea)…by producing money out of thin air…with nothing backing it….other than your hard work and tax dollars?
        Do you feel rightious when you pass the debt of your generation on…to your children and grand children ( because your government can’t stop borrowing and spending)?
        If so, by all means…
        vote for Romney.

        Or…..

        Do you support personal freedom?
        Do you treasure liberty?
        Do you love sound currency?
        Do you wish for smaller, less intrusive government ?
        Lower taxes?
        Do you want to leave a better America for your children and grand children that has been left for you?
        If your answer is yes…
        Ron Paul is the clear choice.

        I’m voting for Ron Paul 2012 and I approved this message.

        Now, from Romney’s own mouth…
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUs17azUFs&feature=share

        And you trust this guy?..LMAO…you may as well just vote for Obama and admit your true nature.

    • Patriot II

      Joe, I formed my opinion of Paul by Listening to him in the Debates and also the emails I get from him (a couple a week), I have been uinudated with Emails from him.

      Now that I said that do you think I’m lying? Your Email sounded like you are attacking me instead of treating me like an Ally. Do you hate Romney that much that you are willing to let Obama win? or you just ignorant?

      • Average Joe

        I never once said that you were Lying…I said “I must speculate that you are one of the people who do not in fact…understand Dr. Paul’s Foreign policy ideas. “…a big difference.

        Since you claim that you,”formed my opinion of Paul by Listening to him in the Debates and also the emails I get from him (a couple a week), I have been uinudated with Emails from him. “, I will assume that you “just don’t get it”….or that you looked at those emails with distain and either didn’t read them…or just plain ignored them. Either way, you came back with more opinion…rather than actual facts…nice try…but I ain’t buying it…sorry.
        Do I now speculate that since you didn’t refute either of my choices given…or the link showing that Romney and Obama think exactly alike….that you are still voting for Romney and therefore chose the first option? I belive your ame may be a misnomer…since you appear to like socialism over living in a Republic.

        “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”
        Samuel Adams

  • http://none ann anderson

    My dentist is Mormon, retired now. He was very ethical and honest, fair. He saved all my teeth when a liberal HMO dentist lied to me and stated my fillings were all leaking and needed to be drilled deeper. I went back to my childhood Mormon Dentist and he stated their is greed and dishonest dentists. “Your fillings and teeth are perfect”. Always get a 2nd opinon or 3rd. Doctors are very greedy too, not all but a good percentage.
    Mormons are honest, fair, hard working ethical folks and I respect a Morman President
    who is self motivated and will lead this country out of this hell hole.

    • newspooner

      Your generalization is generally true. But Romney is Obama-Lite. Have you ever heard of Romneycare? How about a Governor who says he didn’t raise taxes, but in reality he relabeled taxes as fees and then raised them? Romney still believes that government has more rights than individuals.

      • Patriot II

        Newspooner, so……….How are you helping Defeat Obama, that is the number one Priority here isn’t it? Or do you perfer to keep Obama In? If not, we need to support Romney for now, don’t you agree?

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      There are good Mormons and bad Mormons. There are good Catholics and bad Catholics. There are good Lutherans and bad Lutherans. There are good Methodists and bad Methodists. I’m just saying…don’t judge a book by it’s cover.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Nancy your analogy is all wrong. If Mormons, and the Catholics, and the Methodists,and etc.are all believers in Christ Jesus then there shouldn’t be any bad ones.
        Given this, you are supposed to judge the book by it’s cover.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Nadz as in Go-Nadz. We are all sinners and at the same time God’s children.

    • DaveH

      There are Sociopaths in every large grouping of people, Ann, and Sociopaths are drawn to political positions like moths are drawn to flame.
      http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html

      • eddie47d

        So that explains Rove and Cheney!

  • Maryland Freestater

    Historical footnote here – I read a LONG time ago that almost all of Nixon’s closest advisors were Mormon: he felt he could trust them. I have no problem with Romney’s religion.

    Just remember – Romney lost to McCain, so what does THAT say??

  • HH

    I’m sure there were white folks who voted against him because he is “black”, although I personally don’t know any of them. I don’t care what color your skin is if you are qualified to do the job. In my mind Obama was not and is still not qualified to be the president. The sad fact is that many blacks voted for him just because of this skin color and completely ignored the issues. I work with a black man who voted for him just because he is black. This person does not agree with anything Obama has done while he’s been in office but guess what? He’s going to vote for him again……. BECAUSE HE’S BLACK!!! His statement to me 4 years ago was, “I’ve been voting in the presidential elections for 50 years and this is the first chance I’ve had to vote for a black man”! Now that’s a real good reason to vote for someone isn’t it?

    • Lenny C

      That’s why this is America! All registered voters have the Right of Freedom of Choice of who or what to vote, whether you or I agree with that choice.

      • HH

        You’re right LennyC, who anyone votes for is his/her right as a citizen of this country. Doesn’t matter if you vote rep.dem, lib or any other parties choice, my point is your vote should not be based on the color of a man’s skin, that’s prejudice. Why would you vote for someone that you don’t agree with? I believe Dr. MLK rolled over in his grave four years ago seeing people voting for a man just because of the color of his skin, that goes against everything he stood for.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          HH maybe people shouldn’t vote the color of their skin but reality says they’re going to do it. So we’re going to see the Black vote go for Obama again. The problem isn’t so much the Black vote, it’s everybody else who can’t see what his agenda is: absolute enslavement of the masses.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        HH, the majority of us who voted for Obama in 2008 didn’t vote for him because of the color of his skin. No matter how many times it is said that we did. To put it briefly, and bluntly, we voted for him because he was the better candidate and had the better ideas.

        • AR15ready

          Are you satisfied with the kind of CHANGE that Obama ran his platform on?

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Tiggger – You thought he was the better candidate until you found out after he has done everything to destroy this country and that his ideas were just ideas spoken to the sheeple in lying tounge. Even now he is lying. you think he is going to be your man after he possibly gets reelected and then his followers that disagree with his true agenda ends up in the FEMA camps with the rest of us protesters. You are an IDIOTO!!!!

  • WilliamH

    I am sure my comment will be offensive to some, but in this age, where everyone feels put upon if the rest of the world does not agree with their opinions, this is not unusual.
    I don’t dislike Mr. Obama because he is black, I despise him because of the fact that he is a lawyer and an academic. His training has taught him there is no right or wrong, only what he can twist the definition law and words to mean. And that also speaks to his ethics and moral values. He has treated his campaign much like a litigation. Just like he and his minions have treated States and the individual citizens that dare to oppose his views on immigration and health care and voting rights.
    “Before” he was officially campaigning, his message was like the initial pleading in a civil suit. A shotgun blast to intimidate everyone! As the primaries weeded out the weaker opposition candidates, he modified his initial pleading to attack his primary opponent more directly and reduced the scope of his vilification after having put a lot of blatantly false information out in the public domain. Now he is trying to vilify his opponent based on a 50 year old event because he can’t make a real case as to why anyone in their right mind should vote for him.
    Now you probably wonder how I recognize the pattern of his actions and why I apparently despise lawyers. The answer is that I was bullied by a wealthy person through the course of a three year civil suit as a primary defendant and can now see the pattern.

    • Michael

      It is interesting that you use the word “twist” to describe Obama because, clearly, that is exactly what YOU do to reality to justify your dislike of him. You hate the group know as lawyers so, since Obama is a lawyer, you hate him as well.

      • Deerinwater

        Well Sir, it was lawyers that wrote your Constitution.

      • Average Joe

        Deerinwater,

        James Madison, is often considered the “Father of the Constitution”

        From wikipedia: Please notice the last line.
        From ages 11 to 16, the young “Jemmy” Madison was sent to study under Donald Robertson, an instructor at the Innes plantation in King and Queen County, Virginia in the Tidewater region. Robertson was a Scottish teacher who tutored numerous prominent plantation families in the South. From Robertson, Madison learned mathematics, geography, and modern and ancient languages. He became especially proficient in Latin. Madison said that he owed his bent for learning “largely to that man (Robertson).”[citation needed]

        At age 16, he returned to Montpelier, where he began a two-year course of study under the Reverend Thomas Martin in preparation for college. Unlike most college-bound Virginians of his day, Madison did not choose the College of William and Mary, because the lowland climate of Williamsburg, where mosquitoes transmitted fevers and other infectious diseases during the summer, might have strained his delicate health. Instead, in 1769, he enrolled at the College of New Jersey, now Princeton University.

        Through diligence and long hours of study that may have damaged his health,[8] Madison graduated in 1771. His studies included Latin, Greek, science, geography, mathematics, rhetoric, and philosophy. Great emphasis also was placed on speech and debate. After graduation, Madison remained at Princeton to study Hebrew and political philosophy under the university president, John Witherspoon, before returning to Montpelier in the spring of 1772. He became quite fluent in Hebrew. Madison studied law from his interest in public policy, not with the intent of practicing law as a profession.

        Although Thomas Jefferson was a lawyer, he was also a Land Surveyor for many years.
        (three of the presidents featured on Mt. Rushmore were land surveyors by trade, T. Jefferson, G. Washington and T. Roosevelt)….Lincoln was a teacher and Lawyer.

        Benjamin Franklin American printer and publisher, author, inventor and scientist, and diplomat. One of the foremost of the Founding Fathers, Franklin helped draft the Declaration of Independence and was one of its signers, represented the United States in France during the American Revolution, and was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention.

        Whaich fallacy would you like debunked next?

        • Deerinwater

          A man named Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania was in charge of the committee to draft the final copy of the Constitution. Other men who had much to do with writing the Constitution included John Dickinson, Gouverneur Morris, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Paine, Edmund Randolph, James Madison, Roger Sherman, James Wilson, and George Wythe. Morris was given the task of putting all the convention’s resolutions and decisions into polished form. Morris actually “wrote” the Constitution. The original copy of the document is preserved in the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.

          Jacob Shallus who, at the time, was assistant clerk of the Pennsylvania State Assembly, and whose office was in the same building in which the Convention was held, was given the task of engrossing the Constitution prior to its being signed.

          Here is more input from other WikiAnswers contributors:
          The U.S. Constitution is the work of several men, directly and indirectly. The three most notable persons whose work influenced the Constitution but who were not involved in its writing are Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Thomas Paine. The group of men involved in the writing of the Constitution are generally referred to as the “framers”.
          No single individual wrote it. Twelve of the thirteen states sent delegates to the Constitutional Convention to revise the Articles of Confederation and the entire convention worked on it. After the political questions were hashed out a ‘committee of style’ was formed to put the ideas into formal words. It is generally accepted that Gouverneur Morris created most of the actual wording included in the final draft from the Committee of Style.
          The original copy of the document is preserved in the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.
          The person most associated with authoring the US Constitution was James Madison, the fourth President of the United States. Primary Author: James Madison (drafted the Virginia Plan). He is known as “The Father of the Constitution.” James Madison wrote the Constitution in 1787. The constitution wasn’t passed until 1788.

          Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_wrote_the_US_Constitution#ixzz1uaWJ2zwI

          Gouverneur Morris (January 31, 1752 – November 6, 1816), was an American statesman, a Founding Father of the United States, and a native of New York City who represented Pennsylvania in the Constitutional Convention of 1787. He was a signatory to the Articles of Confederation. Morris was also an author of large sections of the Constitution of the United States and one of its signers. He is widely credited as the author of the document’s preamble, and has been called the ‘Penman of the Constitution.’[1] In an era when most Americans thought of themselves as citizens of their respective states, Morris advanced the idea of being a citizen of a single union of states.[2]
          A gifted scholar, Morris enrolled in 1764, at age 12, at King’s College, now Columbia College of Columbia University in New York City. He graduated in 1768 and received a Master’s degree in 1771.

          Jefferson read law while working as a law clerk for Wythe. During this time, he also read a wide variety of English classics and political works. Jefferson was admitted to the Virginia bar five years later in 1767.

          John Dean Dickinson (June 28, 1767 – January 28, 1841) was a U.S. Representative from New York.
          Born in Middletown, Connecticut, Dickinson completed preparatory studies, and was graduated from Yale College in 1785. He moved to Lansingburgh, New York, in 1790. He was admitted to the bar in April 1791 and commenced the practice of law in Lansingburgh.

          John Adams (October 30, 1735 (O.S. October 19, 1735) – July 4, 1826) was an American Founding Father, lawyer, statesman, diplomat and political theorist. A leading champion of independence in 1776, he was the second President of the United States (1797–1801). Hailing from New England, Adams, a prominent lawyer and public figure in Boston, was highly educated and represented Enlightenment values promoting republicanism. A Federalist, he was highly influential and one of the key Founding Fathers of the United States

          Rights of Man (1791), a book by Thomas Paine, posits that popular political revolution is permissible when a government does not safeguard its people, their natural rights, and their national interests. Using these points as a base it defends the French Revolution against Edmund Burke’s attack in Reflections on the Revolution in France

          Human rights originate in Nature, thus, rights cannot be granted via political charter, because that implies that rights are legally revocable, hence, would be privileges:
          It is a perversion of terms to say that a charter gives rights. It operates by a contrary effect — that of taking rights away. Rights are inherently in all the inhabitants; but charters, by annulling those rights, in the majority, leave the right, by exclusion, in the hands of a few… They… consequently are instruments of injustice.
          The fact, therefore, must be that the individuals, themselves, each, in his own personal and sovereign right, entered into a compact with each other to produce a government: and this is the only mode in which governments have a right to arise, and the only principle on which they have a right to exist.
          Government’s sole purpose is safeguarding the family and their inherent, inalienable rights; each societal institution that does not benefit the nation is illegitimate — especially monarchy and aristocracy. The book’s acumen derives from the Age of Enlightenment, especially from the Second Treatise of Government, by John Locke.[citation needed]
          [edit]Aristocracy

          Principally, Rights of Man opposes the idea of hereditary government — the belief that dictatorial government is necessary, because of man’s corrupt, essential nature.

          So there you are Sir. , two of the four primary framers of the US Constitution were attorneys. The other two were learned man even by today’s standard and masters of many titles. I’m quite certain I could find more attorneys in this group of founding fathers, one need only to look.

  • http://www.facebook.com/psmt45 Pamela Sue Therrien

    I personally do not care if he is purple with green poka dots. It is his policies I object too and how he has mismanaged our Nation. It is the bubble of Communism, Marxism, and socialism in which he was raised and yes I have done the research.I have seen his school records in the catholic all faiths school in Indonesia stating his faith as Muslim as was his Father. His Father was a self confessed Muslim, Communist. His Mother and Grandparents were all extremists. I looked up the Grandparents Church. My heavens what I found! I have seen the signs in Kenya put up by the Government saying ..Birth place of Barack Obama, heard his Grandmother swear he was born there in front of her.and much more , Nigerian news paprers heralding our President as Kenyan born true or not the point is from day one this man has been a secret. he has sealed his life. He and George Sorros have sealed his life to many records concerning him are the only records missing and while it is known well in Chicago that Obama and Michelle had to give back their legal licenses due to a serious ethics violation and to keep from being proscuted the violation cause was sealed. Canadian papers have addressed this man and his lies. Nations worldwide have addressed his life so totally hidden and protected from the American people. The division he has caused his sympathies to those who want nothing more than our distruction….his and his chosen people are those our society has protected themselves and our people from due to their clearly stated desires to bring violence and revolution to our streets. The real war on women is Shariah law which barely recognises women as human beings and allows NO freedoms to women. Keenan has fought for this for years and now she is on our Supreme Court.! Dorhn the first woman Obama choose for Office in my Nation caused me nearly to faint ..I remember how glowingly she spoke out for Helter Skelter and Charles Manson’s efforts to create a race war. I object to iot all his color is neither here nor there and means nothing to me.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Well said Pamela

    • Deerinwater

      Sounds like you have enjoyed feeding at selective feed troughs Pamela, feeding you a special diet of what you wanted to eat rather then what was available.

  • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

    Chip Wood is Racist. It is obvious in his speech, his rhetoric and his metaphors. The problem is, like a lot of you here, he is unaware, and therefore in denial, of his racism and would rather instead focus on the black racism.

    Let’s face it we are still a heavily racist, homophobic, misogynist, uneducated, definitely bigoted nation and the world looks at us and wonders WTF!

    • Witsend

      Yeah! And I’m really gay, but since I am in denial, I just don’t recognize it yet! I am NOT a racist. However, I am a bigot when it comes to stupidity posing as education!

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Witsend, your not gay, you just have a womens sole trapped inside your body but you don’t actally know this because she is a lesbiian

    • FreedomFighter

      People with Obama 2012 stickers on there cars are a threat to the human gene pool. Anyone that stupid should not breed.

      Eric do you have Obama 2012 sticker on your car yet?

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Deerinwater

        That goes double for Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Mitt Romney bumper stickers.

  • Fedup!

    Just another way for the Elites to divide and conquer even more!

  • Kandi

    I am afraid this year’s election will be the “Tempest in a Teapot” year.
    The left is looking for all the small issues that the States could take care of or have already attended through voting or laws. Both the president, and whomever will be his opponent are dancing a sidestep to evade what the real issues are at hand, such as unemployment, corporations importing our industries overseas, lack of growth in the United States, border protection, illegal immigration et al.
    However, to prove the point of blacks will vote for Obama irregardless, Tyler Perry, the author and playwright is a black man in his 40′s. He is famous and a millionaire. He flatly stated that 2008 was the FIRST time he had EVER voted. A person for whom the American system has worked beautifully, never felt any civil obligation to vote until a black man was running for the office of President.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Nice information and a good point Kandi

      • Kandi

        Thank you, Brad. I think we should all try to unite against all of the 535 that run Washingotn and our futures. Vote against any and all incumbents. Let’s send a message that We The People are your boss. The standards we as workers are held to are, perform or go home. They are no better than we are.

  • uvuvuv

    the actual numbers of blacks are curiously being kept in check. this is interesting because if a black and white go onto each other the resulting child is considered black. if that half black child goes on to mate with a white, that baby will be considered black even if he’s just 25%. look at those ncaa basketball players. some of them are whiter than their white teammates, but they’re still definitely black. for this reason the black numbers should be increasing, but instead the hispanics have edged out as the number one minority. and so the abortion program is doing just what the liberal elitists had planned, it’s limiting the numbers of blacks while at the same time it looks like a loving and concerned gift to them. boy, you just can’t do better than that, win win! plus abortion is cheap, $200 a shot. and then as the final kicker, they get their votes, too! you can’t make this up!

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      Where did you get this idea? Race is determined by the parents, and as the child gets older, by the child. IOW, it’s whatever race is stated on the birth certificate, or by themselves. Society, as a whole, no longer determines what race it’s citizens are.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        tigeer you are 100% wrong, if you can prove you have any black in you can be considered black

      • eddie47d

        Well Brad you couldn’t possibly be more than 1% right. LOL

  • Power To The People

    Yea Doc, the Obummer is one bad dude alright. Guts….what a laugh….my grandmother would have made that call. Guts….thats funny! LOL

    • http://yahoo catsueme

      if Obumma was so strong in ordering the attract on Osamma them why did he have it set up that the navy admaral would be thrown under the bus if the raid failed, To obumma it’s always somebody elses fault that things don’t work right, never him or his policies.

  • Power To The People

    UV, cite some actual statistics dude.

  • bbfmail

    Inspite of Obama’s support of same-sex marriage, he and his handlers assumed that Black will vote for him anyway. That might not happen. I doubt if Blacks will vote crossover and for Romney. A number are so disgusted that they will probably stay home.

    Here are some reactions from Black pastors and other religious leaders.

    Bishop Harry Jackson, senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in MD, said “I think the president has been in this place for awhile and that he chose this time because he thought that it might shift the balance of power. The timing made me suspect the motives were political, coming out of the North Carolina victory for the traditional marriage groups and maybe have people kind of rally behind this pro same-sex marriage cause.”

    Albert Mohler said, “Pres. Obama’s evolution ends. He publicly supports same-sex marriage (again). Even his friends knew his “evolving” position was dishonest. Why did Pres. Obama make his same-sex marriage statement now? Wash. Post. reports that 1 in 6 of his most generous fundraisers is openly gay.”

    Pastor Jack Graham said, “At the source of the same sex marriage issue is the spiritual emptiness of a nation which has forgotten God and denied His Word. Let me appeal to all my pastor friends to clearly and unequivocally state your support of Biblical marriage. Don’t sit this one out.”

    Bryant Wright, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, said, “A very sad day for America when the President comes out in support of same sex marriage. No surprise, but deeply troubling for our future!”

    Pastor Michael Youssef said, “Obama affirms same sex marriage. Will it be long before his pastor friends affirm him in his decision???”

    Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said, “Obama’s comments are deeply saddening. I pray for the President every day, and will continue to pray that he and his Administration act justly to uphold and protect marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

    Ralph Reed: “Obama’s announcement is a gift to the Romney campaign.”

    Bob Vander Plaats, head of The Family Leader, said, “This will stoke a part of the religious base even more against Obama. They were already fired up to get rid of Obama. This will only make them more on fire to get rid of Obama.

    Pastor Jentezen Franklin said, “Feel a real sadness for America with the announcement of Gay Marriage support from Pres. Obama. Bible is clear this is sin. PRAY!”

    Gary Bauer, president of American Values, said, “The charade is finally up. We’ve always known that Barack Obama supports same-sex marriage. With every action he’s taken, from court appointments to his rhetoric, he’s been preparing the way to undermine traditional marriage. Obama’s finally made that support explicit.”

  • Power To The People

    Speaking for yourself there Eric boy…..sounds like the usual white liberal “I have to be a racist because I am white complex”.

  • Patriot II

    Matin Luther King was a Christian, that is how he should be remebered, not for being Black, and HE would be the first to agree with me.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Blacks have been and will continue to be racist. Yes, they are more racist than most whites. These are obvious facts. Abraham Lincoln did not believe that Black Africans would ever assimilate into what was considered civil society. If you really analyze where the Black Americans are culturally, you would probably come to the conclusion that he was correct in his observations. We probably should have sent all of them back to Africa then, which is what Abe thought.. At least we could have avoided all of the nonsense in between. I would be willing to bet that in another 150 years, that the majority of blacks will be in the same place culturally that they are today. Does that make me a racist or a realist?

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Realist, and they will still be racist.

    • moonbeam

      Capitalist at birth. Too bad they threw away the bath water and kept you instead. I can tell you for a fact, that unlike whites, blacks are not brought up to be racists. We do not teach our children this garbage. If blacks have a bone to pick with whites, it has to do with our interaction with some of you. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the non-color of your skin.

      I can also tell you for a FACT that there is always one or two whites that I must put in their place because they open their mouth and say something STUPID like the “N” word. I had to do this 2 nights ago when a scum bag let this filthy word vomit from his mouth…TWICE in succession. Believe me when i tell you, I let him have it.

      During my nursing career and visiting a new patient in her home, i struck up a conversation with her. She was a retired nurse.

      Me: So, you were a nurse also?
      racist biatch: Yes
      Me: You worked at one of the hospitals around here?
      racist biatch: Yes worked Manatee Memorial Hospital, but oh those N*****s.

      OH – FKG – NO – SHE – DIDN’T!

      i started getting dizzy and couldn’t breathe I got so damn mad, but kept my professionalism in tact. She saw the look on my face (probably because of the smoke and flames coming out of my ears and nostrils).

      racist biatch: Oh, you don’t call them that do you?
      Me: No, I don’t. I am black.

      WEEEEEEEELLLLLL, she couldn’t apologize enough! Love having my arse licked. I made sure to spread cheeks wide so she didn’t miss the wrinkly part.

      That white woman looked at me and couldn’t discern my ethnicity. I run into this type of racism very frequently and it is ALWAYS from white people! You say the darnedest things, I swear! I don’t get this racism stuff from any other ethnic group. ALWAYS from whites. So don’t try to tell ME where the racism is coming from.

      Be careful what you say. You never know who you’re talking to.

      • moonbeam

        And just for the record, i do not use the “N” word I absolutely HATE that word, not even when interacting with other blacks. In addition, I do not use the racial terms used for whites either even when interacting with whites.

        No matter what your skin color, I step to you with respect and regard. I go by who you are as a person not skin color, sexual proclivities, etc. It’s who you are as a human being.

      • HH

        So you just ignore it when blacks talk to blacks like that?

      • HH

        moonbeam, my last comment was aimed at you. BYW, I’m white, I know you couldn’t tell. My mother taught me that we are all equal, red yellow black or white all are precious in His sight, as the song goes. People are too thin skinned these days, any little thing you say can be taken wrong by some group somewhere! Don’t you think it’s about time for folks just to grow up!!!

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Moonbeam, this is what you said. “Capitalist at birth. Too bad they threw away the bath water and kept you instead. I can tell you for a fact, that unlike whites, blacks are not brought up to be racists.” Then you went on a diatribe about this racist biatch. The quote about not raising black children as racists is a lie and the second part may be true but judging from your choice of words and your response to this “biatch” you are a racist.

        People of all races have members who are racially prejudiced but not all of people of the same race are prejudice. Human nature is the same for Blacks as well as Whites they hate in equal numbers.

  • uvuvuv

    the blacks have historically held at 10% of the population while the hispanics are now 12%. this is not census data, i came across this statistic once upon a time and have a good enough memory to have dredged it up out of the muck and mire of my misguided protoplasm. i suppose you can go to the us census website to see if i’m right, but then again i always em.

  • sfcretdennis

    ralph herman Your family may be working but mine is not, my wife could only find part time work at K-mart and she makes less then $100 per week because they wont give more house to their employees and my 19 and 20 year old boys can’t find work and my 26 year old daughter as will and it is not because they are not trying. I wont vote for Obama because I don’t like what he does, orders Catholics to disobey god and provide abortion insurance, is trying to take our guns away, has signed over some of our rights to the world order, (look at resent news on the last E.O. he signed, if he can get what he wants from congress so he signs an E.O blames everyone one ells when things go wrong, some was his doing yet he won’t take the blame. Both parties are corrupt we need to get read of everyone and put fresh minds in the White House and the congress and senate. There are too many power hours in office and they get what ever they want. I also know a lot of blacks who voted for Obama last time and have said they will not do so this time.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Dennis it looks like the Tea Party is beginng to yank out the trash such as Lugger in Indy. Just keep pushing through the herds of liberals. Governor in Wis. is ahead in the polls for his seat there the unions are trying to yank from him too. It is working we got to keep up the momentum!!.

  • Corsica

    Ralph Nader has to be urged to run this year so that he can take away votes from Obama. And the issue of racisim is not white/black anymore. It’s black/non-black and the racism is now owned by blacks. They have attacked, robbed, beaten, and in some cases killed Indians, Chinese, Arabs. Filipinos, Hispanics, Koreans etc etc. Those groups have no love for blacks.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      OMG are you kdding me Corsica. Nader is a true idiot he is worse than Gore, the father of the internet. LMFAO!!!!!

  • uvuvuv

    capital one, look no further than africa. what is this, the 21st century now? even vietnam, bombed into the stone age by curtis lemay, is turning into an industrial powerhouse. and they’re asians!

  • Jack

    how many people voted for obomber just because he’s black and didn’t even care to check the platform he run on???????????????????????????

  • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

    What the poor and especially the poor Blacks don’t realize is that big government isn’t their friend. Many of the Black leaders, like Obama, Jessie Jackson and others, have sold out for money and power. They don’t care about their brethren only about themselves and their immediate families. They know they can’t fight the eugenics tide so they somehow think that the big power elites in this world will keep them safe. I’ve got news for them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXIJw-VRui0&feature=related.

    Watch this and the rest of it and tell me that what’s in this isn’t true. The Black vote is a vote for Black Genocide. The poor vote for Obama is the same thing: genocide for the poor.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      To bad it did not work, I agree with Lincoln. Is it too late to send the 95% that want to vote for Obama back to Africa or maybe Cuba were the can get a fresh look at communism?

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Brad it seems that too many don’t want to see the truth and your suggestion would work to convince them however they aren’t going to go to Cuba or some other communist country but they probably will find out about it if things keep going the way they are now. Right now the Blacks that vote for Obama are just dupes.

    • FreedomFighter

      The NWO has always been about Eugenics, to eliminate what they consider genetic throwbacks that will slow the progress of mankind to utopian perfection of man as a God

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • FreedomFighter

    High Level Insider: DHS Preparing to Start A Civil War

    http://www.infowars.com/high-level-insider-dhs-preparing-to-start-a-civil-war/

    “Department of Homeland Security is preparing “massive civil war”

    A must watch Vid

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • uvuvuv

    jack, hope and change. and getting us out of the middle east. he’s batting 1000 so far. for the other team.

  • uvuvuv

    i wonder what the kennedy family would have said if massachusetts memorial hospital assigned a black doctor to teddy’s case. one who had 200 points added to his sat score.

  • Chisna

    So it’s ok for Chip Wood to insinuate that all blacks are only voting for Obama
    because of his skin color and not because of his positions on the issues.

    But it isn’t ok for someone else to write a story reporting about a tiny minority of white people who have stated that the reason they aren’t voting for him is because he is black.

    Who made up that rule Chip ?

    • FreedomFighter
      • eddie47d

        Sounds like Wild Bill is attempting to play both sides of the race issue and fortunately some of us see through his double speak. He certainly is on the right track in that all should be accepted yet that video could have started out saying the Republicans would need to know who the R’s were when going to the polls. Then again maybe some R’s would then be voting for D’s.

  • http://netmanxps.wordpress.com netmanxps

    The voters had Obama out 3 years ago. It was the Electorials that put Obama in office. The Electorials will be the Ace Card again from the looks of it. If the Black vote does have any clout in the outcome. It will simply be because the man is half black only. It will be obvious from these past three years that they (The Blacks-Hispanics and a percentage of white) could care less what Obama has done to this country if that 95% is indeed true. The bottom line is the fact that the Obama voters will not be exempt. They will have to endure and suffer right along with the rest of the world. The man simply does not know how to lead or run the United States. If it were not for the Administration doing all the ground work and writing he would not have a clue on what to do. I could care less about his skin color. I do care about the damage he has done and is doing. Quite frankly he has no business in the oval office. It’s that plain.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      If you pay attention to actual facts, Obama won the popular vote by quite a large margin.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        he wont win the popular vote this time around

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        And Obama may very well win again. All that indicates is that the majority of voters do not agree with your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. That does not make them right or wrong. It does not make you right or wrong. Just that you have different opinions. I had the understanding that not only are we allowed differing opinions, but that they are encouraged. Was I wrong about that?

        When did voting for someone that you don’t like become wrong?

        I have seen so many unfounded allegations, not just here but everywhere it seems.

        Where did the ludicrous idea of Obama declaring martial law and canceling the elections come from? I saw that same hysterical propaganda stated while Bush was President. Didn’t happen, did it? What facts do any of you have that leads you to believe that it would be true this time, when it wasn’t true before when this crap was being spread around?

        Obama is not trying to destroy this country. There are no facts that even indicate that he wants to. Except in your own minds. I’m sorry, but that is not proof. Whatsoever.

  • David

    I think all of you that are expecting your politicians to solve the problem are sadly mistaken. I believe the politicians,on both sides,ARE THE PROBLEM!

    • Scott in SC

      I’m with you David. There is no left or right, there is only freedom or control.
      It’s sad to see everybody here spending all day bashing Obama, and a few defending him while another of today’s articles about the American POW who’s been held for 3 years has no discussion.
      I’m tired of these phony loud mouth patriots always beating the drums of war, but expect somebody else to go fight and pay the price. They put a bumper sticker or magnetic ribbon on their vehicle and think they’ve done their part.

  • Rex Stevenson

    Sure, there’s still racism in our country, both black and white, just as there’s racism in every other country on planet earth, but at least we’re working to put an end to it. But this crap that anyone who speaks out against Obama’s idiotic policies is a racist is ridiculous. The man is a proven imbecile and without doubt the most incompetent, irresponsible, incapable and unpopular president in U.S. history, and it has nothing to do with his race. Color isn’t the issue, he is!

    • Patriot II

      Rex, Three or Four years ago the Racists White or Black were very few.

      Now what do we have?
      Who’s fault is it?
      Who Created this New Racism?

      I know, but by saying it, Mentally Ill people on this site would call me a Racist!! But they are just Ignorant anyway.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        The racists have been here all along. They didn’t just spring up from nowhere. They just weren’t as visible, or vocal.

        Who’s fault is it? Their own, of course.

        • Jeff

          You lost me. I didn’t complete my dissertation in Gibberish.

  • Dark_Archer

    my views on obama can be summed in a very short explanation …I HATE THE SOCIALIST MARXIST COMMIE BASTARD !!! and just to prove that I’m not a racist, let me state for the record I hate his white half more than his black half

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      Except that he is not a socialist, or a marxist. Nor are there any facts indicating that he is. Only rumor, conjecture and, imo, paranoia.

      And, if you see Obama as having a white or a black half, then you are racist. Period.

      • vieteravet

        Communsit party solgan, “Forward.” Obama’s new slogan, “Forward.” Share the wealth , socialist a little?

        • Jeff

          Colonel Kurtz:

          Your superior in every way (General and President Eisenhower) kept tax rates much, much higher than they are now. He also expressed the opinion that people like you who don’t believe in a social contract and want to eliminate the New Deal are “stupid.” As Casey Stengel said, “You could look it up.” Are you actually going to argue with General Eisenhower? Or was he just a commie usurper, too?

          • shavager

            Jeff, Americans on FOODSTAMPS have increased to 47 MILLION under OWEbumbler–14 MILLION NEW foodstamp recipients in 3 years. The two greatest periods of economic growth and prosperity since the start of the 20th Century were under TWO GOP presidents who CUT INCOME TAXES following RECESSIONS inherited from DemocRAT presidents–Reagan had highest level of growth, prosperity in 20th-21st century after Carter’s recession, W.Bush had second highest level after Clinton’s recession of ’99. JFK, Reagan, W.Bush ALL cut taxes and saw improved economies, prosperity under their administrations. DemocRATS are addicted to HUGE SPENDING, HIGHER TAXES, and HUGE DEBT. OWEbumbler promised to cut DEFICIT in half by end of term ’12, he has INCREASED NATIONAL DEBT by 51%, DEFICITS have been OVER $1 TRILLION since his first year.

        • shavager

          Vieteravet, some guys on here just can’t understand: you DON’T BORROW money you can’t pay back, you CAN’T SPEND money you don’t have, you CAN’T GOVERN without consent of the governed. The borrower is a SLAVE to the lender, the DEBTOR a SLAVE to the creator. OWEbumbler, in 2001–in classic MARXIST fashion: I want “to cobble together a coalition of community action organizations that will cohesively TRANSFORM the system for a ‘redistribution of wealth’”. He has taken over private businesses, fired company executives, taken over healthcare, signed executive order giving himself CONTROL over natural resources and natural gas–classic definition of a MARXIST. He promised NO earmarks, NO lobbyists, TRANSPARENCY, bi-partisanship in policy decisions–we got THOUSANDS OF EARMARKS, BILLIONS in pork.waste spending, approx 40-50 lobbyists in staff and cabinet, BRIBES, backroom deals & secret meetings, and STRICTLY partisan negotiations and deal making BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. There are 28 GOP JOBS plans sitting on Harry Reid’s Senate desk, Balanced Budgets and SPENDING CUT PROPOSALS on Reid’s desk from GOP to get economy moving–DemocRATS want ONE THING–HIGHER TAXES AND MORE WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION. OWEbumbler won’t even discuss proposals with GOP.

    • vieteravet

      I’m with you but I hate his dumbass half!

      • Jeff

        Darkie:

        Proven with mathematical precision, Professor!

        • vieteravet

          i’m sorry did I peepee in your wheaties? Little spinless commie! Pretty much all i’m going to do is attack you, your liberalism prevents you seeing any other side of the story. I believe the American people will vote out the worst president since Jimmy Carter; they’re not all as blind as you.

          • Jeff

            General Patton:

            How many soldiers did you slap? I agree. I surrender. Unlike you, I can’t see the other side’s virtue. I know you attempt at all times to see the pearls of wisdom in your opponent’s opinions. Fair and balanced, that’s you.

          • Jeff

            Colonel Kurtz:

            A man in your condition really should choose a new breakfast of champions. I can smell the Cocoa Puffs from here!

  • Kecia

    I am an American who is Black and consider myself to be a conservative as I am registered as a Republican here in Georgia, along with my husband. I admit that it is VERY difficult for some black people to move beyond race, into principle, when it comes to elections and political support. I am concerned for my country just as many of you have expressed, I know that President Obama has put this country on a course of destruction which does not live up to the Founding Fathers of our nation or The Constitution, for me, these are the pertinent issues.

    I witnessed the struggles of my parents and grandparents having grown up in the south, I know racism is alive and well on BOTH sides of the coin, that is Black people and White people. I cringe at being called the N** word both at school and in the community along with listening to my grandparents and great aunts/uncles berate my parents for sending me to a predominantly white Catholic school, the comments were quite derogatory. As a Christian, I must seek to support someone at least attempting to follow the statutes of God as a leader, not necessarily perfect but striving to ensure a country that reflects its Judeo/Christian foundation. To play the race card on either side is immature and disrespectful. If black people continue to make decisions based on the atrocities of Jim Crow and other past assaults on our civil liberties, then we are destined to make choices out of that emotional state of injustice. These are decisions based upon emotion and retaliation and not what is good for this Nation as a whole. It takes growth and maturity to grow past race into principle and Black people are responsible for seeing to it that this necessary growth happens.

    • Kandi

      Thank you, Kecia, you are making your decisions by thoughtfully considering the issues.
      As humans, we are an imperfect group, but we are bound by our Creator and should think of our children’s future above all. The greatest of these is Love and we should make strides to love each other, not allow evil with its own agenda to divide us.

    • JeffH

      Kecia, I agree :) and thank you for your thoughts. Unfortunately racism is a part of human nature and humans are just a little more intelligent than some animals.

      It is sad that Americans can be influenced by racial politics, that racism is used to justify the exploitation of one group by another. This is classic Marxist theory…and make no mistake that Obama, a Marxist community organizer himself, has studied and mastered the Alinsky Marxist methods.

      Marxist Theory of Racism and Racial Inequality by Peter Bohmer
      December 20, 1998
      http://academic.evergreen.edu/b/bohmerp/marxracism.htm

      • Patriot II

        JeffH; you are right on , the race Card is a tool used to pit one faction against another in order to divide and Conquer. The intelligent decision is not to react to it. Unfortunatley we try to educate people about this but they take it personally which plays right into their game.

  • Pat

    Interesting, no mention about the Republican push for Marco Rubio as Romney’s VP to attract the Hispanic vote.

    • JeffH

      Pat, what’s so interesting about that…Rubio, just like Obama, does not qualify for the office of VP or POTUS. Neither are “natural born cirizens”.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Rubio was born in Miami, Fl. Obama was born in Hawaii. Both are natural born citizens whether you like it or not.

        • shavager

          You are wrong–there are 3 types of citizeship–natural born, native and naturalized. Native means born on U.S. soil to parents who don’t necessarily have to be citizens, naturalized means citizenship through immigration rules. “Natural born” as described in Article 2, section one of the Constitution means “born to TWO citizens”–that’s the words of Chief Justice, Supreme Court Morris Waite in Minor vs. Happersett voting rights law. IF OWEbumbler was born in Hawaii, he’s a NATIVE born citizen–he still does NOT meet eligibility–his father was NEVER a U.S. citizen, in fact was a British citizen under British colonial govt making OWEbumbler a DUAL citizen from his father’s nation of citizenship. Rubio is a NATIVE born American, but NOT “natural born” since his parents were still Cuban citizens when he was born in the U.S.. This is a travesty Congress will NOT address despite numerous lawsuits over it. They are afraid of a Constitutional crisis and racial violence–that’s words from ex-military official and a current candidate running for Congress in a western state.

          • truesoy

            shavager,
            Please, tell us, are you a permanent resident of an institution for the ‘mentally challenged’?
            We’ll feel safer if you are. In the meantime I’ll continue to double lock my doors and windows.
            And by the way, read your constitution. You might learn a thing or two about citizenship.
            Just trying to help you.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            Your comments are laughable, like OWEbumbler and his zombie minions, you’d rather make sarcastic comments about those who differ in ideas and beliefs. YOU don’t have any ideas except the liberal pablum from the DemocRATS and George Soros organizations. Look up Chief Justice Morris Waite and his Supreme Court “precedent” ruling in the majority opinion in Minor vs. Happersett. “Precedent” is a judicial decision that’s a legal, binding authoratative ruling. Under “stare decisis” legal principles, a rule made by a superior court is a “binding precedent” that inferior courts MUST recognize and CANNOT CHANGE. Appellate courts are BOUND ONLY to Supreme Court precedents, state courts are BOUND to obey precedents by Appellate courts in their jurisdiction. In federal court system ONLY the U.S. Supreme Court has ability to OVERTURN a previous Supreme Court ruling. Despite 8 ATTEMPTS by Congress to CHANGE the “natual born” designation in the Constitution from 2003 to 2008, it has NEVER BEEN CHANGED and the Waite majority opinion has NEVER been changed by post ruling Supreme Court or Amendment.

          • truesoy

            shavager,
            I hate to be the one to tell you, but..
            your ‘two hampster’ ran brain just lost one.
            You are beyond help, honestly.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • JeffH

        Sorry to dissappoint you both…but no way. To be POTUS or VPOTUS one must be natural born, that “both” parents must be citizens at the time of birth. Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen nor was his father an immigrant to the USA nor was his father even a permanent resident of the USA. Obama’s father was merely sojourning as a transient in the USA as a student for a few years and returned to Kenya. Thus, Obama is not and never can be an Article II “natural born” citizen of the USA.

        Obama can never be considered a “natural born citizen” no matter where he was born because his father was not a U.S. citizen. Both parents must be citizens at the time of birth of the child in the USA for the child to be a “natural born citizen” per our Constitution’s framers intent and the “natural law”, as codified by Vattel in 1758 in his legal reference treatise, “The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law”. The “divided loyalties” concerns of the framers of a person who is selected to serve as our President and Commander-in-Chief of our military comes into play. Thus the framers required a “natural born” citizen only mandate in the U.S. Constitution for the Office of President and Commander-in-Chief of our military.

        “Natural born citizenship” is defined in the 250 year old scholarly book, “Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law”, written in 1758, decades before our Constitution and was used as a scholarly reference by our U.S. Constitution’s framers. Some excerpts, “… natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. … I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country”.
        ___________________________________
        Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
        This case concerned Mrs. Happersett, an original suffragette, who in virtue of the 14th Amendment attempted to register to vote in the State of Missouri, and was refused because she was not a man. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in that year, wrote the majority opinion, in which he stated:

        The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar,——”it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”——These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.
        ___________________________________
        Finally it should be noted, that to define a term is to indicate the category or class of things which it signifies. In this sense, the Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

        Hence every U.S. Citizen must accept this definition or categorical designation, and fulfil his constitutional duties accordingly. No member of Congress, no judge of the Federal Judiciary, no elected or appointed official in Federal or State government has the right to use any other definition; and if he does, he is acting unlawfully, because unconstitutionally.
        http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1308252582

        .

        • Jeff

          I know you guys like to stop after the 2nd, but read the 14th amendment!

          • Francis Fashing

            The extreme level of ignorance re. our constitution is of mythic proportions on this site. But not knowing the birth requirements of presidency (has NOTHING to do with your parents birth place) shows a pathological devotion to it. Take a civics class. Or sue the teacher you had for civics.

          • Jeff

            I’ll take your class. Was the text book written by Glenn Beck? Here’s Article 2 of the Constitution concerning the requirement to be President – nothing about the Mayflower or who your parents were:

            “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

            Note that “natural born citizen” is not defined. The 14th amendment (the one you want to eliminate from history) says:

            “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

            I understand this is not conclusive, but it does appear that anyone born in the U.S. is eligible to be President unless his parents are here as foreign diplomats. I see nothing in the Constitution requiring both the President’s parents to be citizens or to have physically lived in the U.S. for X number of years before giving birth, etc.

            Mitt Romney’s father was born in Mexico. Is Mitt eligible? Was George?
            John McCain was born in Panama. Was he eligible?

          • truesoy

            Jeff,
            I wonder quite often whether conservatives were born ignorant, or they were made that way by some traumatic experience in their lives that left them vulnerable to exploitation from the likes of Glen Beck.
            Just think of the implications if ‘children born’ to non-citizens were not considered legal nor natural born citizens of the United States.
            Case in point: if we take the conservative republican’s definition of citizenship as the gospel, then most people today in the United States are either not citizens, and/or ‘illegal aliens’, since prior to 1890 there was no control, nor regulations by the Federal Government concerning inmigration, This was a function of the states, and it is doubful many inmigrants, if any, bothered to get the ‘legal’ papers from the States.
            Maybe we should ask Francis to show his ancestor’s ‘state papers’ if they came here during that period. Who knows, maybe Francis, by his own definition, is an illegal alien, and so is shavager. and so it would be every other other ‘conservative’ here.
            Having said that, I know they’ll, conservatives, tie themselves into knots in an attempt to wiggle themselves out of this one.
            I know they will, just wait and enjoy the parade of clowns.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            If you spent more time understanding instead of making smartass comments about people you apparently hate based on a narrow view–you’d understand it’s very simple. Truesoy–momma, American citizen, daddy American citizen-truesoy born on U.S. soil–truesoy–”natural born” citizen. Deerinwater–if parents are not U.S. citizens–Deerinwater is born in U.S.-Deerinwater is a “native” born citizen. IF Jeff is ILLEGAL alien–Jeff went through Immigration and Naturalization services and gained citizenship–Jeff is now “naturalized” citizen. Truesoy can run for president since he’s “natural born”, Deerinwater and Jeff NOT qualified. There fellas was it really that hard, if so send me YOUR addresses and I’ll draw YOU some pictures–see if you can learn anything that way.

          • Deerinwater

            A picture would be nice!

            Especial if it could validate one nation under God with Liberty and Justice for all and the self evident aspects of everyone born equal unto the eyes of law.

            Would you like to borrow my box of crayolas? It’s not missing some of the colors like yours.

          • truesoy

            shavagr,
            …and even if mommy and daddy not american citizen, or even if mommy and daddy are illegal alien, if baby born in the U.S., then baby is ‘a ‘natural born american citizen’.
            Are we clear on that?
            I hope so.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            Truesoy, citizenship granted under the 14th Amendment can be REVOKED by the U.S. govt. because that citizenship is NOT “natural born”, nothing in the Amendment concerns “natural born”. A REAL law Professor, Herb Titus, founding Dean at College of LAW and Government at Regent Univ in Virginia Beach, Va says: “A NATURAL BORN citizen is NOT dependent of Congress passing a statute or Amendment (14th Amendment)…The law of natural born citizenship exists INDEPENDENTLY of a human power, legislative or otherwise. Such citizenship exists whether recognized by positive law or not. To qualify, one MUST be born to a FATHER AND MOTHER each of whom is a citizen of a particular state (country) for that person to be natural born of that state.” It is based on laws of “natural” birth that our Founding Fathers ascribed to: born to citizen PARENTS, that’s why they never mentioned it in our Constitution, it was considered THE accepted definition described by Vattel’s “Laws of Nations” they used for Constitutional principles. As a matter of FACT: the description in our Declaration of Independence for “life, liberty and pursuit of happiness” came from Vattel’s volume 1 book, the words of ” a more perfect union” also came from Vattel’s writings. Ben Franklin said Vattel’s Laws were frequently consulted by the Continental Congress prior to developing the Constitution.

          • Francis Fashing

            That was exactly my point! Your parents’ place of birth is of no consequence. If it were, there would be no such thing as an anchor baby in re. illegal immigration issues.

          • shavager

            Romney’s parents were both U.S. citizens when he was born, both McCain’s parents were citizens, and he was born in Panama Canal zone on a U.S. base–U.S. TERRITORY. Under U.S. federal laws, Supreme Court decisions and precedents MUST be recognized by all other courts of the land, the Chief Justice opinion in Minor vs. Happersett reflects the same intentions of the founding fathers. While founding fathers did not specifically define “natural born” in the Constitution they relied on Vattel’s “Laws of Nations” as reference when building the framework for our govt and Constitution. They did not say “native born” or did not say “naturalized”, they specifically required “natural born” to mean born to TWO citizen parents and specifically did NOT want a candidate qualified whose father had a loyalty to foreign country–requiring the father to be a CITIZEN since birthrights decended from father’s background. New movie out says OWEbumbler’s father is NOT Barack senior, his REAL daddy is Frank Marshall Davis–self ADMITTED Communist–if that’s what OWEbumbler’s been hiding–at least he’s a “natural born” citizen even if he’s still a Communist.

          • Deerinwater
          • shavager

            I suggest YOU look up Chief Justice Morris Waite’s MAJORITY opinion in Minor vs. Happersett 1875 voting rights case for Supreme Court precedent opinion defining “natural born” as described in Article 2 sec 1 of the Constitution for presidential qualification, Amendment 12 for VP qualification and research Emerich de Vattel’s “Laws of Nations” book 1 chapter 19 definition for “natural born” definition that Jefferson, Hamilton, Sam Adams, John Jay, and “father” of the Constitution James Madison referred to for a building block of their construction of our federal govt and Constitution.

          • shavager

            Jeff, 14th Amendment, sec 1 says: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherin they reside.” EVERY PERSON born on U.S. soil is a CITIZEN-a NATIVE BORN–but NOT a “natural born” citizen unless BOTH parents are U.S. citizens prior to the birth. Naturalized citizens are IMMIGRANTS or NON Citizens who go through the naturalization process and gain citizenship through Immigration and Naturalization Service.

  • http://yahoo turn3

    if the POS is half white and half black….how is it we only hear about the half black

    • Kecia

      Easy, because he doesn’t look white…

      • JeffH

        Quick and accurate answer. :)

  • terris

    As a race, blacks tend to vote 80% Democrat no matter who iis running.

    You have a non-story here, Bob. Unless you were just trying to inflame the readers of your blog.

    • FreedomFighter

      32. Doublethink

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5NGAOJL2nM

      Reality is inside the skull.

      ” Imagine a boot standing on the throat of humanity forever”

      Laus Deo
      Semper fi

    • Jeff

      Talk about affirmative action. If a Black guy announces he’s a Republican, he’s automatically got a 50% chance to have a radio talk show.

  • dcjdavis

    With Obama’s recent showboating, it will be interesting to see which word gets yelled the loudest this time–racist or homophobic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidhendrick.behrens David Hendrick Behrens

    The new Black Panthers are growing in strength and have announced, they will keep any whites from harrassing blacks at the polls or intimidating them, as they vote for Obama, again, look how they put out bounties, on behalf of the Martin family, to get revenge for their son, Trevon….

  • chuckb

    kecia, too bad there is not more blacks with your attitude. regardless of what your ancestry, people have to represent themselves, they have to contribute their own ability, they cannot blame others for their own failure, then they fall prey to those who capitalize on them, namely politicians. the bolshevik party has preyed upon the blacks since the sixties. they have destroyed them with welfare, affirmative action, racial quotas and desegregation. instead of letting these people gain by their own initiative they have coerced them with benefits and destroyed their ambition. almost every race in this country has faced discrimination, i believe there is a natural inbred discriminatory nature in everyone for their own ancestry and when you make an effort to show respect for the other person this bridge is crossed.

  • Rasta

    Well blacks have been voting for Caucasian candidates for ever. Time to take a break

    • http://netmanxps.wordpress.com netmanxps

      Go back to the archives of that year and look again. And yes Rasta, the entire election was based solely on Race! I seriously do not believe you are that naive.I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.

      • walter

        Ignorance continues to reign. There was aman named Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. In 1963 in what has become known as his “Ihave a dream” speech, Dr. King said he looked forward to the day when a man would be judged by the strength of his character and not by the color of his skin. There are still a few people like yourself who saw the election of 2008 as a race based election. Thats unfortunate and ignorance is always unfortunate. President Obama could not possibly have been elected, if it were just the black vote he depended on. No, netmanxps, what happened was many, many people of all races chose to heed Dr. Kings exhortation and judged the man on factors other than race. It may be difficult for you, but make an effort to join the rest of us in the 21st century

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          You’re right walter, it was mostly the poor vote that put him in office; those who were unwilling to bite the hand that feeds them.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Seems to me obama has forgotten all the Rev. King taught us and has set this country back 50 years….

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        of course, it appears he wasn’t living in this country during the life-changing years of Dr. King. He would not have been as moved or affected as we were as children during those years….since his childhood was not in the USA.

        • Deerinwater

          Just because some people are taking step backward does not imply that you should or that everyone is.

          There is lot of forward progress being made today on many fronts today while the political climate “some” seem to prefer finds it in their best interest to play down or completely ignore altogether.

          If anyone wants to feel bad, they won’t have far to look. The same thing applies to those that want to feel good about what is happening today.

          Taxes have been cut for all working American
          Taxes for small Business has been cut 18 times
          One war over and one left to go
          Osama no longer cast a shadow on the face of the earth
          Insurance companies can’t drop you when you become ill
          3.9 million private sector Jobs and a total of 4.2 million jobs
          Saved what could have been lost and hired 650,000 fireman, teachers and police officers
          GDP increase by 2.9 %
          US Auto Industry is booming again
          24 straight months of job growth in the PRIVATE SECTOR
          Young Students can be covered by their parents insurance companies.
          Air lines can no longer hold you hostage on the tarmac unlimited periods of time without penalty
          We are pumping more crude in the Western hemisphere then ever before.
          The price of Crude hangs around 100 dollars a barrel ( that’s good, while some might disagree)
          Business is coming back, banks are starting to lend again
          Building “starts” is up.

          One Nation under God with Liberty and Justice for all is one step closer to being a reality and not just a hypocritical perfunctory statement that suppose to just sound good to say.

          We have came a long way in just three years.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        And deer – thanks to obama we have regressed 50 years in race relations…because of his choice to separate the races rrather than treat them as one. And I can’t agree with your assessments on what he has accomplished…. I don’t see it.

      • DaveH

        Walter says — “what happened was many, many people of all races chose to heed Dr. Kings exhortation and judged the man on factors other than race”.
        That’s right, Walter, they judged him on his lies, equivocations, and his promises to redistribute other peoples’ money to them.
        We have become a Society of Criminals:
        http://freedomschool.org/2010/02/27/a-society-of-criminals-ben-oneill/

      • DaveH

        Where do you get your info, Deer?
        Here is some reality:
        Federal Revenue 2009 was $2105 Billion.
        Federal Revenue 2010 was $2162 Billion
        Federal Revenue 2011 was $2303 Billion
        If my math is correct 2010 and 2011 were Increases.

        And more importantly:
        Federal Spending 2009 was $3517 Billion
        Federal Spending 2010 was $3456 Billion
        Federal Spending 2011 was $3603 Billion
        And they are just getting warmed up. Somebody will have to pay for that budget shortfall in the coming years and it likely won’t be the Crony Capitalists.

        • vieteravet

          You better check your numbers on federal spending!

      • Deerinwater

        “And deer – thanks to obama we have regressed 50 years in race relations”

        Oh! more then that according to some people! ~ What kind of reaction would you expect people to have , knowing they have a first time ever black President?

        Well Libertytrain, you can blame Obama or you can blame the way people react to Obama.

        It seems clear you’d rather hold Obama responsible for other people reaction to him rather then hold them accountable for their own thought, feelings and reaction.

        What is there about that , that seems right and fair to you.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        When obama and his handlers and folks like you continuously make it about a color, it becomes a problem. His first acts included becoming involved with the professor and a cop – calling the cop stupid and racist without even knowing the facts mam, just the facts. It was unnecessary. He’s used words to separate folks throughout; and the last biggy was when he got involved in the Florida incident without ANY of us knowing the facts as well – including falling for the doctored 911 tapes – come on now – he speaks first – no thinking – and doesn’t show signs of thinking about any of the repercussions to what he has opened his mouth over. He should be a living example of how to live not a living example of how to split his country to bits. He had a gift – he chose not to use it. Poor Martin Luther King is probably spinning in his grave wondering what happened to his beautiful words…. and works.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Deer – you, the libs, the left, and obama and his wife and his administration make race an issue. And bring it up, over and over – accusing every word spoken as you did and do, as being racist. I’m still in shock over your finger wagging over the words “Black Stallion.” Good Grief – stir that imaginary pot some more that Deer Bob – you all remind me of folks who want it to be what they think, hope it is racist so somehow these mindless accusations of insanity can somehow be justified. It isn’t justified. Look in the mirror – you’re part of the cause of the race issue – not me. I just plain don’t like him no matter how sweet and cute looking he is.

        • Deerinwater

          That “Black Stallion” business is something Jay introduced and not I Libertytrain. You will have to ask him about that. That statement fell out of his head. It’s my belief that Jay was attempting to tag me as a NiQQer Lover as I offered defense to the sitting President.

          And too, this is Chip Woods thread and I don’t believe that he is a liberal anymore then I am. Chip is the one that brought the race topic forward and not I. Much like yourself, I’m only responding to it. Chip is only guilt of reacting to a reaction as we all are.

          Chip says, he was wondering how long it would be before race was brought up, I said, 2 minutes.

          This heated debate brings forward the racial bias that so many (not all) Conservatives attempt to hide from as they stated that they are not “racist” and it’s not about race!

          Allow us to be a honest as possible with each other here. Not a single democratic President is found acceptable and all are found worthy of “no holds barred” scorn and crafted attacks. That the current democrat president is of obvious mix race and born into this world by a non Christian father is just more ammo for the “right” to throw, incite emotions, inflict question and doubt. That’s what the “right” does, always has, always will. It’s a rock fight at this point and who started it, ceased to be an important issue long ago. React to a reaction, attack and defend, counter attack, the fight for attention and the hearts and minds of voters.

          That the “right” has had to launch these attacks without openly appearing racially bias have presented they some challenges as they finding it necessary to employ the cloaking aspects of bigotry in a attempt to conceal their true motives and intent. That being, discredit a sitting democrat president in anyway possible! Race and Religion is fair game and effective in dividing and so ~ WHY NOT USE IT?

          I will agree with the statement that we have witness more openly express bigotry in the the last three years then ever before. I will agree that Obama’s complexion and the position he holds is responsible for this 3 year reign of bigotry. I would agree with the statement that bigotry is predicated on insecurities that exist in human behavior and that all humans address or fail to address their own bigotry on some level.

          No one can do your interpersonal work for you , if you are hungry, me eating does not satisfy your hunger. If I need to pee, you can’t do that for me, I must do it for myself. If I am sad, it’s not your responsibility to make me happy. These same interpersonal process applies with matters of bigotry. We all possess this “weakness or strength” of human nature, to think and react in a bigoted manner, to react to your “feeling” regarding matters of race.

          I would never expect every American to accept their first non white President with open arms. That is simply no accepting the realities of human behavior and the way we are. Our society and own life personal experiences generates bigotry. Like waste! garbage, it’s something we can ignore but only so long and then you must address it. I have neighbors that set it out so the dogs can scatter it all over the neighborhood while some or more mindful and respectful of others, so too is it with bigotry.

          I didn’t vote for Obama because he was a non white but finding my options so dismal, I voted for him in spite of my own personal bigotry. I’d preferred him white , like myself but who has control over such matters? If Obama can ignore my race, I can ignore his.

          But what Jay is suggesting to us is that, Obama can’t ignore Jay’s white race while Jay shows no interest in ignoring Obama’s. I happen to believe “O” is of higher caliber then Jay is willing to accept, accepting the fact he is human, not a god, not a saint, not a savior.

          So be it! Jay’s is entitled. If you are inclined to believe America would be a better place if everyone was like Jay ~ Fine! But Jay didn’t run for President and Obama did. We couldn’t vote, Jay didn’t give us that option. He gave us “W” and then McCain I’m left to assume. Those men are his ideas of higher quality caliber. There again, I disagree with Jay, those men were not of highest of caliber or top leadership material. They were lucky men born into the world of entitlement with strong sponsors.

          • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

            I am capable of reading, you’re the one that change the simple black stallion statement – I did not attribute the statement to you, only your declaring that it was racist. Do you remember, read back what you wrote and why you did, it’s just your zealous politically correct training is in absolute overdrive- you’ve been brainwashed….
            I personally have not met anyone that had a problem with obama’s complexion. The left and obama and his family and his friends are the ones that keep trying to make his complexion the reason we don’t care for him. Nice excuse but not accurate for the greater majority of us, anymore than W was disliked because he was white. If you want to buy into the bull have at it. But you are not ever going to convince me that obama problem is his skin. Lack of leadership qualities yes.

          • Deerinwater

            “. The left and obama and his family and his friends are the ones that keep trying to make his complexion the reason we don’t care for him. ”

            The very nature of Chip Wood’s thread indicates otherwise, ~ as 601 posting to this minute suggest Chip is dead on target and offering you just what you want to discuss and hear.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        deer you and I seldom agree but if you want to continue to believe every single person who did not vote for nor will not for obama is because of his skin, have at it. Obama has created a problem by many methods his verbiage being one….oh dear obama “could have been my son” had he been just a litte younger and if he was I would not hesitate to tell him that I wasn’t voting for him – even if he were my son and that I’m ashamed of what he’s done to my country…

        • Deerinwater

          “deer you and I seldom agree but if you want to continue to believe every single person who did not vote for nor will not for obama is because of his skin, have at it. Obama has created a problem by many methods his verbiage being one”

          I have never said that, never thought that, never even consider that for one single reason, it does not make any sense. And for another, it’s your vote and the decision is yours alone to make.

          If I am reading you posting correctly ~ and I believe that I am ~ I’ve never said anything that remotely implied such a notion. If you think I have , please point it out.

          I’m left thinking you have been mislead or misdirected with my posting on how each one of us fights our own monster. That bigotry and racial bias is a part of the human makeup , existing in each one of us to varying degrees and it influences our behavior.

          Other then that posting, I haven’t a clue how you came to such a conclusion.

          I acknowledges my own personal racial bias and deal with them daily. It’s not unusual to be required to cope and contend with other peoples racial bias especially when they don’t believe they possess one.

          • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

            The most recent is getting your undies in a wad over the beautiful black stallion – what a waste of everyone’s time – I have more fun things to do tonight than debate your political correctness prob.

          • Deerinwater

            “The most recent is getting your undies in a wad over the beautiful black stallion – what a waste of everyone’s time – I have more fun things to do tonight than debate your political correctness prob.”

            You seem to be the one over reacting ~ Madam ~ you are embellishing the intensity of the printed word 10 fold and this is the third time you’ve mention it. While I will admit I found Jays wording somewhat off color, but it was his inference I took the greatest exception to. And so , I called him out on it. ~ It is done, been discussed and now it’s over if you would be kind enough to let it go and we might move on.

            You are the one that seems to be taking pleasure, indulging, wallowing like a old hound in a smoking fresh cow pie, ~ I’m left to believe that is what you prefer to do?

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        goodness you are so funny in your insecurities – I live in the country – lots of stuff to maneuver around in these woods – I don’t mind coming down to your level….

  • eddie47d

    Quoting Alan West who apparently conveniently lies to score points ” Liberals don’t believe in Liberty and Justice for all” Just the opposite so I would say the neoConservative mind is totally warped and a mite deranged.

    • JeffH

      eddie, would you rather someone quote you instead of Allan West? Of course you despise him…he’s a black tea party republican and he doesn’t say nice things to liberals. Oh my! :( :) LMAO!

      You called him a neo-conservative…can you even define what a neo-conservative is?

      You’re still confused about crony-capiatlism, why would you think anyone would believe you would know the definition of “neo-conservative”. Will neo-conservative become your newest talking point or is it just another code word for “I don’t have a clue”? Just askin’?

      • truesoy

        JeffH,
        I doubt if Mr. West himself believes th nonsense that comes out his mouth. He is not a complete idiot, he just knows who’s side the bread is being buttered.
        And as for you?, wise up.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • JeffH

        truesoy, wise up? Is that the only advice you have for me? ROFLMAO!

        Unlike you, I prefer fact over fiction.

        • truesoy

          You prefer fact over fiction?, then, prove it!

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • JeffH

        truesoy, just a bit confused? If memory serves me right, you have never proven anything you’ve said to be anything but your opinion…therefore, the burden of proof is on you, not I.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        JeffH, what truesoy lacks in debating skills, he makes up for with personal attacks, and endless farcical questions. This of course, is but for the purpose to disguise the fact that, in essence, he brings nothing to the debate. A true Alinsky disciple, if you ask me, who claims that he is in no-way, religious. How long will he keep fooling himself, or at the very least; how long will he keep fooling himself in that, he thinks he is fooling us? Ah, such fools!

      • JeffH

        Jay :). BINGO! The only weapon in his/her arsenal is classic Alinsky, ridicule. After several previous exchanges with truesoy, it became clearly evident that he/she had no rational arguement, other than the Dem-Repu paradigm…that, and an obsession with the evil conservative. truesoy quickly established his/her lack of credibility and has proudly maintained that level.

        It can’t be fixed, it’s an incurable disease and it’s forever.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw

        Stupid is as stupid does
        Forrest Gump

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Thanks for the chuckle Jeff. I like this guy; very talented! He’s correct, you can’t fix it. At best, you could re-direct it; as far away as possible. Naw, they just keep coming back. Well, i suppos somebody has to look after them! LOL….

      • DaveH

        What else do you expect from a Liberal, Jeff? They have no logical basis for their beliefs, no experiential data to support their conclusions, and no morality to prevent them from seeking other peoples’ wealth. So what else can they do but personally attack or otherwise manipulate good people?

  • angelo

    All this talk about racism is stupid, I don’t avoid black people because of they’re color, it’s their criminal and antisocial behavior, can you blame me?

    • Kecia

      Unbelievable, your ignorance and blatant small mindedness is baffling. And yes, I do blame you for not taking the responsibility of educating yourself on the true issues surrounding this election seriously. This has nothing to do with white or black, only what is right for this country and what is wrong. Grow up!

      • angelo

        I’m not ignorant or small minded, if you can deny all the disgusting behavior and squalor in the black community and wonder why I chose to avoid these areas, then you’re the one who is small minded and ignorant or just insanely stupid.

    • angelo

      I know, I misused the contraction they’re, I meant their.

    • Kecia

      The ignorant part of your argument has to do with the fact that you think, in your small mind, disgusting behavior and squalor is limited to one race of people, black people. Areas with POOR people programmed to depend upon government across all racial lines manifest high crime, low education and a break down in traditional family values. Your not adding to the conversation angelo, you are robbing it. God help you…

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Kecia, I agree with you, the poor feeble minded people are the target of the eugenics crowd regardless of race.

  • Thinking About

    I could possibly be some may not know they are prejudice and may not understand the whole concept. Having said this to read some of the vile unjust statements made on this web site and others we need to relook at our thoughts. Having lived in areas of the USA where the KKK was very active, to turn a corner and see a cross burning and knowing these was placed in areas to scare those around does not leave a very comforting feeling. I read and hear vile statements made on both sides of the spector and the hate and unjust needs to cease and let our great nation be the great nation our forefathers intended. We are being eaten from the inside with the hate and what does it get us, just ugly people trying to get uglier than the other. You don’t like Rev Wrights rants, neither do I but to give front stage to these rants does not allow one to see how hateful they can be.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Racism is about many things, but it isn’t about race. To understand the uses of race in
    American liberalism requires understanding its place in the political culture.

    When American liberals speak of race, they aren’t speaking in the genetic sense; what they are doing is clumsily piggybacking class onto race and adding one dubious construct to another.

    The placement of racial politics at the center of liberal advocacy coincided with a growing national prosperity that seemed to be on the way to making class warfare of the old kind irrelevant.

    Previous liberal civil rights activity had been a subset of class, but class now became a subset of race. And both were a means of liberal self-definition as the people concerned with the plight of the downtrodden.

    Class warfare was not really about the poor, it was about using a permanent social problem as a means of recreating the social order and gaining permanent political power. Race is just class dressed up in the same old class warfare clothes so that there is nearly no distinction between the two.

    Reformers gain power by attacking the failures of the system and positioning a social problem as an open sore that must be healed. But it isn’t healing that they have in mind.

    When your power is a product of social problems, then the failure to locate social problems that are an open sore on society, a cry of conscience and a grievous crime that must be faced, leaves you powerless and irrelevant.

    Once you start running out of legitimate social problems to tackle, then you have no choice but to start creating them or exaggerating them.

    Whether the problems you are dealing with are real or unreal, your challenge is to find ways to make them worse in order to retain your power and the social relevance of your movement.

    Race has very little to do with racial politics which rely on the older methodologies of radicalizing slums and using subsidies to elevate community leaders who will support the reformers, all tactics that date back centuries, and long predate the politicization of race.

    When the Democratic Party had its change of heart on race, all it did was take the same methods it used on German, Irish, Jewish and Italian immigrants and shift them to urban African-Americans who had come north and were living in the same neighborhoods formerly occupied by the immigrants.

    And so the party that during the Civil War orchestrated urban anti-draft riots by white immigrants targeting African-Americans was using the same methods to orchestrate African-American riots aimed at the second and third generation of working class immigrants that it had once fostered. What most people thought of as racial politics was just the Democratic Party doing what it had been doing all along.

    Race hasn’t simply been politicized, the practical meaning of the word has been so thoroughly transformed that it does not refer to what most people think that it does.

    In the liberal lexicon, race, like class, is an outcast term. It is a catchall term meaning those who are oppressed by the powerful majority. It is why the left will use accusations of racism in completely inappropriate ways that make no sense in relation to the dictionary definition.

    Muslims are not a race, but they have been classified as an oppressed group.

    Socialism is not a race, but they are the official representatives of all oppressed peoples. To insult either one is to be “racist” because racism refers to majority oppression, and nothing else.

    To be a racist is to oppose or denigrate the moral worldview of the reformers without reference to the skin color of any of the parties.

    Therefore, African-American opponents of President Clinton were racists because the terminology of race had nothing to do with the preexisting racial construct.

    The idea of race, as it had existed in the United States, no longer applied. Words like racism were part of the Newspeak grammar which insisted on appropriating the moral force of the old meanings, but without actually employing those meanings.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/44620

  • Erik

    Let us end this quickly i am a black male or african american and i did not vote for Obama the first time. I am voting for the only real conservative out here. Ron Paul 2012!
    Obama/Romney are the same person.

  • Erik

    P.S this post by Chip Wood is nonsense. If you go to youtube and i post videos there, there are lots of black americans who support Ron Paul not Obama. You need to open your eyes. We are out here and we are tired of the Hope and Change express!

  • Dustin

    If this guy serious believes this, fine but I wonder how much Mr. Wood makes for projecting this stuff out into the air.

  • Francis Fashing

    Anytime you base your opinion solely, or even partly, on race then you are a racist. Period. No matter what race you happen to be.
    Casting aspersions because of color or religious persuasion is particularly odious and un-American. You have the right to think and say what ever you please, even if untrue. But that flies in the face of what has made America a great country, and adds to what is destroying this nation now.

  • Carl Manning

    It is truly sad and tragic how almost an entire race can be so blinded by racism, ignorance, and government dependency to overlook how this Monster has kept unemployment in the black community at around 45%. Blacks are among the most hypocritical “Christians” I have ever seen. It’s no wonder they have elected one of their own kind. Would Jesus support racism, gay marriage, abortion, and immoral wars of aggression? Would he support killing an unwanted child who happens to survive an abortion outside the womb??? Everything about this man and his Communist regime opposes God, morality, common sense, and Christianity, yet black “Christians” in overwhelming numbers support him. One day, they will stand before Jesus Christ to give an accounting of why they supported this Monster that will cause them, their nation, and their posterity to suffer. When the Monster Communist Obama comes calling for the “Christians”, I seriously have to wonder just what GOD they will get behind then??? Will there be any blacks in FEMA camps, or will they have all turned in their white Christian brothers and sisters in the name of “CHANGE”, “PROGRESS” and moving “FORWARD”??? I caution my Black brothers and sisters in Christ to remember that the Lord called on us to love our enemies, not just forgive them, but to love them. He also specifically said that vengeance belongs to Him, not you.

    • truesoy

      Do you know what’s really scary?., what’s really scary is that people like you get to vote.
      And I wouldn’t let you handle anything sharper than a crayon, if it was up to me.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

  • Dave

    Erik – “May your tribe increase”, from a senior white Vet from the Midwest.
    Things about Obama that “bother me” – first is his ideology which IMO is Muslim and secondly is his Socialism; lest (and of no particular import) is his race or skin color! Scripture tells us there is only one race, Homo Sapiens. My first point is from (to me) overwhelming evidence from his behavior, his stands on so many issues, and his alliances around the globe. I was particularly struck by a comment attributed to Karl Rove – ” this man just doesn’t want to do the job of being a president!” For this core reason, he does a lot of “campaigning” and vacationing; seldom if ever the day-to-day drudge of being a president.

  • CHARLES TOMEI

    Obama,Al Sharpton,Jesse Jackson,Maxine Waters polute this country with racist comments,and our liberal news media has no comments on the trash talk and garbage that they spread.Racism is a crutch for useless no nothing people.

    • Francis Fashing

      You’ve got to admire the intelligent tone of many of those who spend time on this site. Especially when they spell KNOW n-o.

  • allosaur

    Anyone who ain’t green like me is food.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    A magazine features a cover photo of Obama with a halo beaming behind his head in the likeness of the murals of medieval saints. Women faint on hearing his speeches. He delivers those speeches with lines and cadences borrowed from his mentor, a radical clergyman. “In a way Obama is standing above the country, above the world. He’s sort of god. He’s going to bring all different sides together,” proclaimed Newsweek editor Evan Thomas.

    Barack Obama is of course a messiah, one of the latest in a long line of socialist messiahs, men whom socialists and liberals believed were meant to radically reform the world, to teach people to overcome selfishness and greed, and unite as one.

    The phenomenon of the quasi-religious worship of Obama is only shocking to those who fail to understand that socialism is itself a religion.

    Henri de Saint-Simon, the French 18th century thinker who coined the term socialism, described it as “The New Christianity”.

    Like many early socialists he envisioned its ideas as a tool for returning to primitive Christianity. The famous 19th century historian Renan explicitly made the comparison, writing, “If you want to get an idea of what the first Christian communities were like, take a look at a local branch of the International Workingmen’s Association.” The Association is better known as the First International, one of whose members was Karl Marx.

    The original name of the Communist party that Karl Marx would go on to head was The League of the Just, whose stated goal was, “the establishment of the Kingdom of God on Earth, based on the ideals of love of one’s neighbour, equality and justice”.

    The same essential principles sum up the ideals of the Religious Left today which define religion in terms of social justice. Of course the end result of this process wipes everything from the blackboard, including God and the Bible, which become nothing more than props for socialist preaching. And that is exactly what the religion of socialism looks like.

    Communism simply rejected one god, in favor of human divinities worshiped for bringing social justice to mankind.

    Communism was never atheistic, it simply rejected one god, in favor of human divinities worshiped for bringing social justice to mankind,

    Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and the whole gang of crimson murderers and thieves. These men formed cults of personality around them because they embodied the theology of socialism as a vital active work on earth. To socialist Christians they embodied the message of Jesus. To socialist Jews, the message of the prophets—stripped of anything but social justice.

    But what sort of religion is socialism exactly? What drives and motivates it?

    Socialism views individualism as sinful and unity as the solution to human evils. The brotherhood of all men, a phrase that resounds from the French Revolution down to Saint-Simon and to the Bolsheviks, idealizes a collectivist struggle and tyranny under the guiding hand of the great socialists.

    Saint Simon, the original socialist, did not envision the common man running things. Instead he foresaw socialism as being overseen by “Men of Science” who would direct the industrialists on how to run society for the benefit of all.

    Two centuries later, virtually the same dogma runs through the administration of Barack Obama, with its manifold Czars and Harvard graduates directing everything from banks to car companies.

    They are the Saints of Socialism, presumed to know better by virtue of their commitment to socialism, just as nothing could be built in Communist China without crediting Mao’s red book as its inspiration, and Stalin was presumed to know all there was to know every field better than its practitioners. The supernatural competence credited to Obama by his supporters must be seen in that light.

    The paradox of socialism is that it demands equality for all, and yet insists that the common man is completely unfit to make his own decisions.

    Their argument is that individual man is too flawed, too bent on seeking personal advancement and wealth, and too little given to considering the needs of society as a whole, a flaw that he can only overcome in concert with others as part of a larger organization dedicated to the betterment of man.

    That same line of propaganda runs through the talking points of every socialist agenda, from health care nationalization to environmentalism to multilateralism.

    One bad. Many good.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16048

    • niles

      The real racist are the one’s that will vote for Obama because he is black. God bless

    • truesoy

      So Obama is going to radically change the world, and that worries you.
      I believe that if ‘radically’ changing the world is what worries you, then it is not Obama you have to worry about, you should instead worry about the international banking system and the globalization of the economy because they are the real ‘game changer’ in this equation. And you and I, and everyone else will be sucked kicking and screaming into it. And thus the more people like Romney we elect, the quicker the pace of the process. Or as George Bush used to call it, The New World Order. However, by no means I imply this is just a ‘republican’ thing. I only mentioned Romney here because of his international financial ties.
      For our best interest as americans Obama is the best choice we have for President in 2012. The other candidate, Romney, will do more harm than good no matter what you hear.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        You had me until the last sentence, truesoy!

        • truesoy

          There are several issues in the domestic front that are very important to our quality of life. These are, among the many, Social Security and Medicare.

          Candidate Romney supports the Paul Ryan drive to privatize both Social Security and Medicare, and thus destroying the safety net for the elderly, and for which they have paid for.

          What or who would be the beneficiary if SS and Medicare were to be privatize?.
          The answer is simple; that would be the banks, the insurance industry, and the politicians that will reep the rewards fom the insurance companies in the form of campaign contributions and family appointment to the corp. board as it has been previously the case., eg.: Lieberman’s wife.

          But why to turn over to the banks the Social Security System, because retirement accounts are better managed by the banks than the government? Really?
          But were not these banks that went ‘belly-up’, and that the government had to rescue?
          And it gets even better.

          They tell us Medicare is broke and in order to save it it too has to be privatize. Really? you mean to say that because it is broke you are gonna add another ‘middleman’ to the equation to share in the pie?. Are these people thinking we are that stupid.

          They are selling us on a ‘massive transfer of government funds to the banking and the insurance industry’.

          What is ‘medicare’?..- Medicare is a ‘medical insurance plan’ unlike any other in that an individual (except in rare ocassions) pays for approx. 40 to 50 years of his/her life before receiving any benefits. And then, even when retired and collecting Social Security an individual must continue to pay Medicare premiums. These are a very good reasons for the insurance and financial institutions wanting ‘in’.

          And the other argument they use against ‘Medicare’.:- ‘Old people use more than they contributed to the system. Well, some people do, but not all. Besides, the reason for insurance is to protect oneself from the larger medical and hospital cost, for if one had to pay an amount in premiums equal to the cost of medical care, it would defeat the purpose for insurance, any insurance.

          And that is what the republicans want to do, and Paul Ryan is pushing for it with Romney’s support. The question I have is, what’s in it for them, because I don’t think they are trying to screw us for free.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • shavager

            What an asinine, stupid comment about Social Security. PRIVATIZED social security accounts can’t be accessed by anyone BUT YOU. I don’t care how old YOU are or how much social security YOU have paid in–there is ZERO dollars in YOUR account–only IOU’s because YOUR money has been used to pay someone else drawing social security now. DemocRATS changed social security to a TAX during LBJ’s term, giving them Constitutional authority to move to general revenue to SPEND! Citizens living in one county in TEXAS pay into a PRIVATE social security account–NO federal program–they will RETIRE MILLIONAIRES through their PRIVATE account–YOU will not EVER RECEIVE YOUR FULL VALUE of benefits YOU paid in over YOUR lifetime to the federal social security program. PRIVATE social security programs REMOVE federal govt access to YOUR money, it will be there for YOU. OWEbumbler has SEIZED federal pension plans to SPEND for budget–he’s NOW considering TAXING YOUR 401K and pension benefit plans FOR MORE MONEY TO SPEND—short of nationalizing banks and seizing ALL PRIVATE MONEY–he’s desperate for MORE MONEY–China’s not lending–OUR DEBT is too unstable–OUR dollars too unstable. Wait till YOU get the bill for YOUR TAXES on YOUR pensions/401K savings–let’s see how happy you’ll be then.

          • truesoy

            shavager;
            So there are people in certain towns in Texas that because they opted out of the Social Security system in favor of a ‘Privatized Social Security’ plan, will retired ‘MILLIONAIRES’.
            You got me really, really excited on that one, I tell you, I felt I too should get on the bandwagon, and why not, I also want to be a millionaire.
            There is a ‘tooth fairy’ after all, I thought. Oh boy, you should have seen the excitement around the house. And then reality hit me, there is no ‘tooth fairy, and neither is there a Santa Clause.
            Now, sarcasm aside, these are some of the details on those cities ‘private social security’:
            The “Texas MUnicipal Retirement System” (TMRS) of which the cities you speak of are members, is approx. $70 billions in the hole and they, these cities are now raising the ‘fees’ for city services and/or property taxes to meet their commitment to their employees, thus avoiding a reduction in retirement benefits. Many of the cities have increase the amount employees contribute to the fund besides the 2 times that amount matched by the city.
            Yes, shavager, these private social security plas, as you call them, are ‘taxpayers financed’, too, and the reason they seem to have such hight rate of return is because of the high figure salary use to project the returns, at least until you get a ‘hiccup’ of the market.
            And no millionaires there, either.
            New York city has been outside the Social Security system for a while now, and they too are facing severe difficulties with their plan. They find themselves either raising taxes and/or limiting the retirement benefits for present and future employees as well as reducing the benefits to retirees too. This last part is rabidly opposed by labor unions. Yes, labor unions also were behind the creation of these ‘private social security’ plans.
            Things are not as simple as they first seemed to be, nor are exactly the way they look, and this is an example of it.

            Although I’m not against private accounts, and if a person or city wants to have them; then more power to them. But what I’m against is the notion that if you are for private accounts you should then be against Social Security’. But this is wrong because it harms the social security system to have these many people opting out.
            Furthermore, government Social Security is a secured plan, unlike ‘private social security’ that is totally at the mercy of the market, and for older folks is a risk they can’t afford; there is not enough time left in their lives to start all over again. That’s why these private security plans in Texas and New York and other places come from cities, and are tax supported. It is a win-win situation for the banks.

            The ‘social security’ privatization fever has been going on since the 70′s. Chile in South America was on of the first to implement it, but with one variant: people were given the choice to stay in the government Social Security System, or to move to the private system. Many people overcome by greed went to the ‘privatized’ system where they could make untold amounts of money, or so they were told; and for a while it was a beautiful ride, until the financial crises when they woke up to the reality that now they needed help. And help they got, from the government.

            See, the Chilean Government guarantees a minimum income to retirees under ‘private social security.
            What a deal for the banks. When times are good and the banks are raking in the dough, is ‘private market’, but when times are bad and they are losing the dough, is socialized market. And taxpayers pay for the loses.

            I could sit here and tell you a lot more, but it would take too long. I suppose you get the point now, or at least understand that things are not exactly the way you think.
            The solution to save our SS is to have the government pay SS the money, approx. $2 trillions, it owes to Social Security.

            Ps.-On private accounts, 401k, etc., other than you, the banks have acces to your account, otherwise how would they invest your money.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Obama Care is what will destroy the safety net for the elderly as it will ultimately finish of this country economically. The government will have to severely curtail medical treatments for the elderly who are going to die anyway. As far as the government is concerned what’s the difference if those people die a little sooner than later?

  • http://www.facebook.com/oross122609 Olin Ross

    Livingston,
    RACISTS FOR MITT ROMNEY EVEN THOUGH THEY DON’T LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE IS A MORMON…..BUT SINCE HE IS A WHITE BOY THEY DON’T HAVE NO OTHER BODY BUT HIM…
    And may I add>>>>>>>MITT ROMNEY HAS ALL THE LAMEBRAIN RACIST RED NECKS IN HIS BAG AND POCKET…..Now what can Blacks do about that……Stop working for this white slave master, stop buying his products and services, and open up another Black Wall Street just like some Blacks did in Tulsa, OK…….Open up another State with only Blacks inhabitants….or just get the hell out of the US…..Give this country back to these lamebrain tea baggers……..

    • FreedomFighter

      Stupid People

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs&feature=related

      It took less than 8 seconds…so you know

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Deerinwater

        George Carlin was a democrat, a Fort Worth boy and a acquaintance of mine. I miss him. I think everybody that knew him does.

    • Jeff Davis

      After the blatant display of black racism and electoral irresponsibility engaged in by most blacks in the last presidential election, I’d love to see every one of you Obama worshippers hop on a boat and return to your native continent. A very sad commentary on the enormous damage the overwhelming majority of blacks have done to their own race and the prospects for black-white detente in this country. It is unthinkable to me that any group could so nearly unanimously entrust the welfare of this great country to a smooth-talking nobody simply because of the color of his skin.

      It is long past the time when the wounds of slavery should have been consigned to the trash heap of history and the descendants of former slaves embarked on their own journey of self-realization and self-fulfillment. Instead, the black community, virtually as a united front, has allowed itself to be kidnaped by the heated rhetoric and raw emotionalism that gushes from the mouths of black ideologues who live in the very same manner they would have their followers believe is enjoyed by the privileged few whose forbears were once their masters.

      At least Judas was willing to admit his own betrayal. The light of the sun, however, will have been expunged from the sky long before the Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons and Jeremiah Wrights of the world ever follow his lead.

  • Doug Rodrigues

    .
    1. I voted for a Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene, but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn’t.

    2. I voted for a Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

    3. I voted for a Democrat because Freedom of Speech is fine as long as it’s liberal speech.

    4. I voted for a Democrat because I’m way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers, rapists, thugs, and thieves.

    5. I voted for a Democrat because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will disappear in ten years because of Global Warming if I don’t start driving a Prius or a Chevy Volt.

    6. I voted for a Democrat because I’m not concerned about millions of babies being aborted so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

    7. I voted for a Democrat because I think illegal aliens have a right to free health care, education, and Social Security benefits.

    8. I voted for a Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as the Democrats see fit.

    9. I voted for a Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution regularly to suit some fringe folks who would never get their agendas past the voters.

    10. I voted for a Democrat because I think that it’s better to pay billions to people who hate us for their oil, but not drill for our own because it might upset some useless endangered beetle, gopher, or fish.

    11. I voted for a Democrat because while we live in the greatest, most wonderful country in the world, I was promised “HOPE AND CHANGE.”

    12. I voted for a Democrat because my head is so firmly buried in the sand that it’s unlikely that I’ll ever have another point of view.

    • Patriot II

      Doug; Well stated lol!

    • Deerinwater

      Speaking in the third person is a sign of a sever mental illness, my Precious.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Oh my goodness, mr deer, you are full of surprises. Not only do you fix broken-air-conditioners, and leaky pipes, but you are also a psychiatrist? Tell me something, does that stuff really work? And if so, then why are you still so deranged?

        • Deerinwater

          You are the twist one here Jay ~ I,ve got a life, a family, sons , daughters, nieces, nephews , girl friends, ex-wives, brothers, friends, along with all their mothers, I have a business, a profession, employees, clients , contractual obligations, all of them expecting and demanding that I be me and do what I do. All the things that keeps a man humble and realizing there is very little that is completely inside his control but himself and even then only if he’s mindful of himself and respectful of others and what they too are contending with and what they expect of me.

          You on the other hand, waste you time here trying to impress the simplest among us just how bright you are from a regurgitated laundry list of political “talking points” you read or heard somewhere on one of the hundreds of fear mongering right -wing blog.

          Such a waste, of life. You know Jay ~ you could be much more. But then I think, maybe you are handicapped in some way I can not see, a shut -in, locked inside your own prison and this is your outlet to the world, the way you express your significance.

          The hurt and pain you live in ~ screams Jay. I’m am sorry Jay.

          No one deserves such a life, I’d like to think you didn’t earn it.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        deer says: You are the twist one here Jay ~ I,ve got a life, a family, sons , daughters, nieces, nephews , girl friends, ex-wives, brothers, friends, along with all their mothers, I have a business, a profession, employees, clients , contractual obligations, all of them expecting and demanding that I be me and do what I do. All the things that keeps a man humble and realizing there is very little that is completely inside his control but himself and even then only if he’s mindful of himself and respectful of others and what they too are contending with and what they expect of me.

        Well that’s very nice mr. deer; you should really think about putting the above paragraph in a fortune cookie.

        deer says: You on the other hand, waste you time here trying to impress the simplest among us just how bright you are from a regurgitated laundry list of political “talking points” you read or heard somewhere on one of the hundreds of fear mongering right -wing blog. Such a waste, of life. You know Jay ~ you could be much more. But then I think, maybe you are handicapped in some way I can not see, a shut -in, locked inside your own prison and this is your outlet to the world, the way you express your significance.

        Hmm, now this, your statement, i find most interesting. And i suppose that one could say it bears considerable weight and truth, were it not for the fact that you are here as well, mr. deer, where you spend a considerable amount of time posting your rather ambiguous thoughts, while at the same time claiming you lead a very busy, full, and rich life. A life full of responsibility and a myriad of people to answer to. Yet, here you are, day after day, spending the majority of the day accusing others of being handicapped in some way, shut-ins perhaps, locked inside their own prisons, and this blogging site being their only outlet to the world. Could one safely assume you may be projecting, mr. deer?

        deer says: The hurt and pain you live in ~ screams Jay. I’m am sorry Jay.

        The child inside you, mr. deer, is screaming in pain. I’m well aware of your father’s inadequacies, and the damage you suffered as the result. After all, you have disclosed that part of your life with us before; have you not? But we all have been traumatized in some way, and by someone. What you need to learn is that, your pain, your damage is your own, and to project it on someone else, may provide temporary relief, yet ultimately, it will always reside in you, and it will always be your own. Accept it, own it, and deal with it. Remember, admitting you have a problem, is the first step to recovery. Projecting your problems unto someone else, will not make your problems go away.

        deer says: No one deserves such a life, I’d like to think you didn’t earn it.

        No, mr.deer, you don’t deserve such a life, and i further agree, that you didn’t earn it!

        • Deerinwater

          Quit copy & paste and stealing other peoples work and actually say something Jay!

          You haven’t got a life, you haven’t got one original idea. You are little more then a parrot, you hear it enough , you repeat it.

          Everything you have someone must have gave you.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        deer says: Quit copy & paste and stealing other peoples work and actually say something Jay!

        We all copy & paste, mr. deer, including you. So what’s the fuss all about? What is something i said, that got your knickers all in a bunch? You rather enjoy criticizing and belittling others, don’t you? But when someone gives you a taste of your own medicine, you quickly turn into a petulant child. Well good! That simply means my work is done; and i’ll do it again, if necessary! So smarten up, and act your age. You want to have a discussion, then do it with civility, and keep your garbage remarks, out of it. Otherwise, i’ll come after you again, and put you in your place again, you ornery junk-yard dog, you!

        deer says: You haven’t got a life, you haven’t got one original idea. You are little more then a parrot, you hear it enough , you repeat it. Everything you have someone must have gave you.

        Now you’re just talking out of embarrassment because i humiliated you, mr. deer. Hence, your personal attack(s). The one thing you need to learn about me, mr. deer, is that; i do not fold to personal attacks. Personal attacks do not concern or effect me, for i understand from whence they originate, and that being; from an irrational, egotistical, and small-minded individual, who can scarcely keep his ego in check! Now take your lumps, for you honestly deserved them, and learn from them, and if you wish, we can start a brand, new page. But beware, i’ll pull you up by the scruff-of-your-neck again, if necessary; metaphorically speaking, of course! LOL…..

        • Deerinwater

          You’ll go play, I got work to do, believe me I’d rather play with you ~ Income taxes. I’m getting Nasty-Grams. Give me a few hours and I’ll be back with a GOOD attitude.

      • DaveH

        Your stated high self-esteem, Deer, is belied by your continual need to personally attack others.

        • Deerinwater

          “Your stated high self-esteem, Deer, is belied by your continual need to personally attack others”

          To “respond” to any conservative attack is considered an “personal attack” to you David.

          So tell us what is you ideas about mounting a defense? Is the practice of responding to attacks reserved exclusively for right wing zealots only?

          • shavager

            Let’s get something straight about this “rightwing zealout” comment–back in the 60′s the Klan, Nazi party, other so called “white supremist” groups were considered RIGHT wing–yeah the Democrat dominated Klan members. Today’s so called “Klan, Nazi party” are really fascist, NOT right wing. GOP, Conservatives, Tea Party members are considered “right wing” solely because they support small, limited govt, lower taxes, reduced federal govt agencies, employees and spending. The largest majority of Americans are CONSERVATIVE by media and polling experts at 40%. with liberals making up only 20%. “Right wing” is a descriptive connotation employed by leftwing DemocRATS and media to insinuate the Republican party, Tea Party, Conservatives are racists or prejudiced and have dislike for low income and minorities–when a large majority of party members are exactly that–low to middle income, many minorities. DemocRATS in Congress represent the RICHEST of the RICH–more wealth in DemocRATS than in the GOP. And by the way, I’ve been a registered democrat voter for nearly 40 years–the party LEFT ME, I didn’t leave the party. In the county in Florida where I live there were 750 Republicans registered in ’08–NOW there are 5600+ GOP members–you know where they came from? Democrat voters disgusted by DemocRAT party and DC leaders–especially the CORRUPT SPENDING MARXIST in the WHouse HAVE SWITCHED PARTIES LEADING TO ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER. Estimates are some 10-15,000 in N Fla have switched party affiliation to vote GOP this election–totally disgusted and unhappy with direction of the U.S. and with the soon to be KICKED OUT muslim manipulator.

          • Deerinwater

            . “Right wing” is a descriptive connotation employed by leftwing DemocRATS and media to insinuate the Republican party, ”

            in·sin·u·ate/inˈsinyo͞oˌāt/
            Verb:
            Suggest or hint (something negative) in an indirect and unpleasant way.
            Maneuver oneself into (a position of favor or office) by subtle manipulation: “she insinuated herself into management”.

            oh? I see! it’s a shell game played with labels!

            Whats a DemocRats then?

            And so “right-wing” is condescending?

            So is “left-wing” condescending as well?

            So let me see if I’ve got this straight, The Grand Old Party is comprised of many differing kinds of people that enjoy playing around with labels, they have “conservatives” that really are not conservatives at all, they are called RINO’s and Neocons and they enjoy big government while saying that they don’t. They would enjoy nothing better then taking over the whole world outright or by proxy and stick middle class American with the bill while corporate interest pillaged and plundered, New York banksters and Wall Street having a field day.

            Then the GOP has the “true conservatives” that don’t want to take over the whole world but just America. They claim to want smaller government, by Privatization means and out- sourcing to friends and business associates, people they find “worthy”. People that would be more gracious and grateful for the business opportunities then mere government employees. Somehow in this shifting of power, the average American is suppose to find greater benefits and rewards.

            These “True Conservative” enjoy many self labeled titles, like Tea Party, Patriots, Real America’s ( not to be confused with Unreal American) Christians, a Majority, Constitutionist , and fly under a banner of freedom and personal liberties ( as long as they approve of them)

            And then there is the DemocRats , they are just background people of little significance really, they enjoy laying under the bridge all day with a bottle of Ripple, waiting for some big car to pick them up and carrying them to the polls to vote and buy them another bottle.

            Oh say! Can you see, by the dawn early light as I sits here on da bank waiting for them Carp to bite.

            I’m a nonworking man with nair not a care, cause US Government is sending me mine welfare.

            They send me the money, I don’t have to pay it back, that’s how I drive that new Cadillac

            “shavager” we can all enjoy this attempt to label and define fellow Americas, make jokes and have some fun with it. And I know by your posting your were attempting to be informative and dead serious and I thank you for that and appreciate your efforts.

            Somewhere down the line , we’ll met in the middle somewhere. But this general grouping of democrats is as obtuse as me grouping republicans in one group.

    • Deerinwater

      “shavager ” both parties have been affected by the power of big money that been allowed to be introduced into politics today.

      These shape shifters and label changers are everywhere, on both sides of the isle.

      Removing entrenched power is problematic on many fronts.

      The money is what need to be stopped, you stop the money, the rest will fall into place.

      Today , we are so busy fighting alligators, we haven’t the time to drain the swamp.

      The empowered will work hard to keep it that way.

      Ron Paul doesn’t not have all the answers, but he is the only man in contention that best sees the problems we face today.

      It’d be interesting to see what a Ron Paul presidency would look like, I seriously doubt if he’d get the corporation , he would have to learn to wield power like only some Presidents learn to do.

      I’m not pleased with everything that is happening today but ~ after the debacle of 43′s administration, my bar is set rather low.

      • shavager

        Deer, once again like a lot of others you are painting GOP with the same brush as DemocRATS–not true. GOP is in a battle within, Tea Party and Conservatives are tired of the establishment politics of RINO’s–go along, get along, keep right on spending and corrupting. That’s why Tea Party and Conservatives have started running NEW candidates to replace those that have been in DC too long, say the right things to get elected and their voters are “out of sight, out of mind” once they get re-elected. Bob Bennett of Utah is GONE, Lugar of Indiana is GONE, others have active projects in works to get them replaced and more like Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Kristi Noem, and Alan West elected in their seats. Conservatives want Constitutional, limited govt., lower taxes, less spending, SHRINK govt in agencies, overhead, employees and SPENDING. On the other hand the DemocRAT party is GONE–totally OWNED and controlled by Communists, unions, anarchists, progressives–under the umbrella of George Soros’ multi-organizational control including BaROKE OWEbumbler.

        • Jeff

          Is the primary skill of the wingnut the calling of names? It certainly appears to be the case here. Anyone who believes the government has any role in the economy is suddenly a communist. One of your heroes, Rand Paul, representing the coal owners (certainly not the miners, though sadly, many of them probably voted for him) actually believes the Govt has no role in regulating safety in mines. If you want to return to the 19th century to maintain ideological purity, then just say so. The “market” will not take care of all things, no matter how much you twist yourself in a logical knot to prove it theoretically could. We were free of financial crises from the 30s until the deregulation began in the 80s. Now, we’ll have crises every few years. Much as you may lionize the ideologues on the right, it was FDR who saved capitalism in the 30s. Now, the Pauls, Ryans, and Romneys of the world, if left to their own devices, will destroy it.

  • Jimbo

    Judging by the reaction to the Trayvon Martin case, I’d expect the black community to riot nationwide if Obama doesn’t get re-elected.

    • Bobby

      Why would blacks want to riot over this country? Or over an incident that will be long forgotten by the time the election happens, at this point I don’t think blacks care who runs this forever bigoted country if a good man like Presdent Obama can’t help these idiots they deserve whatever they get.

      • Jimbo

        Whenever the black community sees apparent police abuse, or whenever they dislike a court ruling, they riot. It’s happened in city after city, despite all the legal means available for them to get justice. You won’t find the other minority groups rioting like that…… So no, I don’t think the black community can accept an election that doesn’t go to Obama. They don’t care how screwed up his policy is, they want a black man in office.

        Obama didn’t appeal to public calm when the Travon Martin protesters got belligerent and started threatening Zimmerman’s family, did he? He didn’t investigate the Black Panthers for putting out a bounty on Zimmerman’s head. He didn’t ask people to give the justice system a chance to work. No, he stoked the fires of racial discord. If he can use black anger to his advantage, in the election, or aftermath, he will.

        Incidentally, who are the idiots you’re referring to? People like you who can’t see how Obama is ruining the country with his vision of socialism and racial division?

  • Beverly Irvine

    Why does everybody just assume President Obama is just black? He’s half white also. He should be President of all the people?!

  • http://soulstraw.wordpress.com Questionman

    Call this the week of racists!
    Sadly, Barack Obama himself has been the victim of Darwinian racism as throughout his campaigning and presidency he has been often likened to a chimp or some sort of ape.

    There are 65 known white supremacist groups in the state of Georgia – racist organizations that believe a black man, President Barack Obama, has no place in the White House.

    And the hating is getting worse.

    Now the Racist right have resorted to pinning the racism THEY are causing on Obama.

    No. He has never done anything that could be remotely interpreted as “being a Marxist”. That is a secret that only those who know the actual definition of the word “Marxist” would understand .

    No. Obama is NO marxist! by what he’s said and by what he’s done, really not all that different form his predecessor.

    No. Obama is NO muslim! he says he’s christian honestly I think he is really more secular than Christian but he is certainly not Muslim.

    No. Obama is NO Anti-American! the term “true american” is almost an oxymoron because of the diverse yet valid concepts of what to be an american means and by choosing a career in politics he is most likely not against the country its self

    No. Obama is NOT destroying America! no more than any other president who didn’t fulfill every campaign promise.

    eh; there is a natural degree of racism inherent in most every one but certainly not anti black or white as a biracial person it would be beyond stupid to demonize either of your ancestries

    This is just Stone-cold GOPropaganda!

    It’s a shame that in 2012, nearly 150 years after the Emancipation Proclamation, racial hatred toward African-Americans is on the rise, in large part, because Barack Obama was elected as America’s first black president.

    If Obama is re-elected to the White House in November, I wonder what more we can expect from right-wing racists in the next four years.

    • Witsend

      Wow – that is a seriously distorted view of reality! I have no problem with our country having a Black President. I do have a problem with THIS Black President. I have no problem with having a Female President. I would have a problem if that person happened to be Nancy Pelosi! I am NOT a racist just because I dislike what Pres. Obama has done to this country.

      • Deerinwater

        “I do have a problem with THIS Black President. ”

        You would come across much better if you could found a way to say, ” I have a problem with this President.”

        • truesoy

          Deerinwater;
          You should know by now these people have ‘issues’.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • Deerinwater

            Yes ~ I know. ~ They simply can’t see it. It’s much too close to their nose.

            It’s been that way from the beginning, Obama’s election has only drawn it out from the darkness where it hides.

            They now blame another man for their reactions to him. Obama has “MADE” them “THINK” and “ACT” and “SAY” the things they say.

            They are no longer “IN CHARGE” and “RESPONSIBLE” for themselves and their own behavior.

            It sound like an argument that a child would attempt to make.

            They lie to you, they lie to me, they lie to themselves, they lie to each other.

            It’s growing pain, ~ we had to confront it at some point as the world gets only smaller and smaller with the European white race in rapid decline.

            The white race must accept that just raising two or three children per family unit is not enough to keep up with the rest of the world.

            Suppressing Economics only fans this fire. Poor people don’t have a life filled with toys, they have each other. That is a “hard reality”that people don’t want to face, rather to defusing it by saying something clever and witty.

            Look at the Chinese ~ look at the Muslim world

            “With more than 1.3 billion people (1,336,718,015 as of mid-2011), China is the world’s most populous country.
            As the world’s population is approximately 6.7 billion, China represents a full 20% of the world’s population so one in every five people on the planet is a resident of China.”

            “Muslim Population is increasing at 1.84%
            The Muslim population in
            2012 is 2013.62 Million. = 2.1 Billion

            Read the last three sentences below;

            “As of 2012, the United States has a total resident population of 313,527,000, ( that just million not billion) making it the third most populous country in the world.[1] It is a very urbanized population, with 82% residing in cities and suburbs as of 2008 (the worldwide urban rate is 50.5%[2]). This leaves vast expanses of the country nearly uninhabited.[3] California and Texas are the most populous states,[4] as the mean center of United States population has consistently shifted westward and southward.[5] New York City is the most populous city in the United States.[6]
            The total fertility rate in the United States estimated for 2009 is 2.01 children per woman, which is below the replacement fertility rate of approximately 2.1.[9] However, U.S. population growth is among the highest in industrialized countries,[10] since the vast majority of these have below-replacement fertility rates and the U.S. has higher levels of immigration.[11][12] The United States Census Bureau shows population increase of 0.91% for the twelve-month periods ending in July 2011.[13] Nonetheless, though high by industrialized country standards, this is below the world average annual rate of 1.092%.[10]

          • truesoy

            …but there is comfort in knowing that the vitriol directed at Obama comes mostly, though not all, from a generation of times past.
            Ironically, Obama is a real american story. It is a story of possibilities, on how a black man of humble upbring was able to get to where he is today even when the odds were against him.
            Obama’s story should be one to inspire others to follow, but instead there is this hard core group of people with ‘issues’ that are determined not to let it happen. But history will set the record straight.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        truesoy, you need to stop drinking your bath-water. A real American story? A real American tragedy, being more accurate!

        But i understand, that religious zealots such as yourself, and a few others of your religious persuasion, will defend their messiah, to the death, and to the very end, if necessary. This, of course, is most commendable, however, not very smart. You need to start thinking for yourself, truesoy; its ok to question your religious leader, reverend O. Don’t worry, you won’t get hit by a lightning bolt!

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        truesoy, could have been the way you write, however, he has chosen to make it a race issue, a separation of black and white. He has taken a giant leap backwards rather than even a few steps forward.

      • Deerinwater

        ” he has chosen to make it a race issue, a separation of black and white.”

        I’m waiting for an explanation describing how he (Obama) has done that. I want to hear this explanation and I promise you, I will listen and give it the utmost thoughtful consideration. Needless to say, you can expect a thoughtful rebuttal willing to offer concession and agreement when found appropriate and due if you can present a strong argument.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Oh Deer Deer Deer, have you been out of the loop these last 3 years? The man took sides and not with this country but only the people of his father’s race, without any thought to whether he had a necessity to even choose “sides” – look around you, even you accuse a beautiful term like black stallion as being racist – everyone is accusing everyone about every word – surely each word means something else and is evil because it has to be racist because the pres has a little more skintone… – It’s gotten so old and so frigging unnecessary; and why he created and played this new race game right from the start – is beyond me….. apparently his maturity is lacking. Along with that doofus holder who says all the problems that are, exist because he and obama have a little color in the skin, shoot I’ve got kinfolk darker that those two ninnies. He and his pals have insisted it’s all about the color, which is so uttlerly bogus for the greater majority of us, I will never have respect for his idiocy – I didn’t march with those folks so long ago to have one dip who could have enhanced our society take away all that was accomplished because he hasn’t got the intelligence to handle the gift that was given to him. I had a dream too – we all did, obama stomped it out.

      • JeffH

        Libertytrain, OMG! You don’t get ticked very often, or show it, but I’d guess this might be one of them. I couldn’t agree with what you said any more than I do…that was splendid. I agree, all the inroads that have been made since the turbulent 60′s seem all for naught with this POTUS and this administration. It’s a classic Marxist tool(class warfare – racial division) and Obama has learned his lessons well and stealthily put it to use on the trusting and unsuspecting. Pathetic is all that can be said.

  • shavager

    There is a book out there called: “Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair, Cocaine, Sex, Lies and Murder?” written by a gay man Larry Sinclair who tells his story of GAY SEX with Obama, Obama DEALT drugs and provided Sinclair with cocaine as Obama smoked CRACK during sex with him. Sinclair was SUED for SLANDER and publication STOPPED but recently the JUDGE THREW THE CASE OUT –stated the plaintiff PROVIDED NO EVIDENCE OR PROOF THAT THE COMMENTS, STATEMENTS WERE FALSE OR SLANDER. Sinclair also says Obama and Rahm Emanuel, mayor of Chicago and former Obama chief of staff, are LIFE MEMBERS of Chicago GAY club, that Jeremiah Wright’s church operates a “Down Under Club”–GAY DATING operation within the church and 3 members have mysteriously DIED or MURDERED with NO cases solved. He goes further to provide a copy of a letter sent to Michelle Obama describing Obama’s genitals as PROOF of the sexual contact and even the POSTAL registration number that was used to send the letter. YOU can buy the book at LarrySinclair.org for $10, READ FOR YOURSELF about the covered up exploits of Obama and his campaign’s attempts to SILENCE SINCLAIR. Sinclair also has his own blogsite for news, political opinion at LarrySinclair.com, he is a former candidate for Congress from South Fla. I HAVE THE BOOK, you should read the “inside” story and get REAL background of Obama.

    • Bobby

      That is a good book for people who hate the President and want to find someting bad about him, any sensible person is not inerested in that crap, did you find anything bad about Mitt Romney? when you do let me know.

      • shavager

        What has the book have to do with HATE for Obama? WE THE PEOPLE have the RIGHT to know the background of candidates that lead OUR COUNTRY–NOT YOURS- but ALL OF OURS. He has BLOCKED access to ALL RECORDS from College, to Selective Service number, Social Security ID–which was issued in Connecticut–he NEVER lived there and has NO REASON to have a Conn SS number. His records from life in Indonesia is BLOCKED–he was adopted by an Indonesian stepfather making him an INDONESIAN citizen–we can’t get access to any info if he EVER RECEIVED NATURALIZATION PROCESS to become an American again AND “NATURALIZED” citizens are INELIGIBLE for president OR VP office. We have a RIGHT TO KNOW, why has he SPENT nearly $2 MILLION to keep those records PRIVATE?? Info from his days at Occidental College show FOREIGN SCHOLARSHIP for Obama–AMERICANS CAN NOT ATTEND U.S. COLLEGE ON FOREIGN SCHOLARSHIP–so he COULD NOT have been a citizen. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH HATE, but everything to do with CONSTITUTIONAL LAW–we’ve already found that he LIED about being a “Constitutional law professor”–he was NOT. He DID NOT work and advise on stock purchases for Japanese investors while working at Business International, he was a copy editor for a business newsletter they published–making punctuation and spelling corrections–HE LIED. He claimed to be president of “not blue states or red states” but ALL THE STATES, yet he awarded MORE MONEY to blue states with his stimulus bill than RED states regardless of the number of population or percent of unemployed. IF YOU want to defend YOUR president, then defend him without calling anyone who provides evidence of his socialist, class warfare, race dividing policies a “racist or hate monger” when NOTHING was said about his race or hating him personally.

      • truesoy

        Bobby;
        Don’t pay attention to Shavager, he is tripping. Can’t you tell by his writings on the thing he believes. He is not all there.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

        • shavager

          Before you start flapping your insuations and disregard for others, YOU need to understand making false or accusatory comments about others does NOTHING for YOUR credibility. I’ve been a REGISTERED democrat voter for over 36 YEARS but I’m a Conservative FIRST, a Constitutionalist like OUR FOUNDING FATHERS–I think the govt. needs to GET OUT OF OUR WAY AND OUT OF OUR LIVES. IF YOU don’t like the wealthy paying 70% of ALL INCOME TAXES–PAY MORE OF YOUR OWN–that’s THEIR MONEY–NOT YOURS. YOU have a seething hate, envy and jealousy of the wealthy and successful in America–because they have more money than YOU and YOU don’t have the ambition to MAKE IT FOR YOURSELF. I prefer to SHRINK the federal govt. in SIZE, SPENDING, OVERHEAD, EMPLOYEES and AGENCIES. STOP income taxes by passing the FAIR TAX–everyone will pay their FAIR SHARE–no more whining and crying from those of YOU who DON’T pay income taxes but cry alligator tears because the rich don’t PAY ALL THEIR INCOME IN TAXES. END the income tax, END the IRS and get rid of it, END social security taxes, medicare taxes by passing the FAIR TAX–then YOU can ALL PAY SOME for participating in our economy, including ILLEGALS working under the table, drug dealers who don’t report income. STOP condemning those who PAY THE MOST, pass the FAIR TAX and everybody pays–the low income pay the least–the rich PAY THE MOST–but NOBODY gets away without paying. It takes the politicians HANDS OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        A very convincing rebuttal, truesoy; your comeback was full of enlightening information, concrete and persuasive arguments, facts, and credible sources, by which you have proven your opponent’s error; Bravo!

      • DaveH

        Shavager,
        Your heart is in the right place, but you are mistaken if you advocate the Fair Tax. It is just a Trojan Horse created by the manipulators to get us to a dual tax system like Europe has. There is nothing “Fair” about turning businessmen into tax collectors. And it will be just a matter of time before the Fair Tax becomes a byzantine system like the Income Tax. Imagine being stuck with both.
        Read this webpage from fairtax.org after clearing the cobwebs from your eyes, and think double-speak:
        http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/WhichComesFirst.pdf
        They can’t free us from the 16th Amendment until they can ensure that we will have a “safe landing”. If you believe that, I’ve got some ……..

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          DaveH, I don’t currently understand the European Tax system and you state that it’s a dual tax system. I guess I need to go to that link you provided for Shavager. It seems like we have a form of a duel tax system, that is if businesses collecting taxes makes a system duel, because our criminal government forces businesses to pay taxes then they have to turn around and charge the consumer. Maybe the difference is that ours is a covert system and theirs is an overt system?

          • shavager

            Katrael, the FAIR TAX replaces ALL federal taxes-income, medicare, social security. Businesses and service providers such as doctors, lawn care, tv repairmen, pool cleaner–ALL will collect the FAIR TAX at point of YOU paying the bill. YOU will NOT be exempt from paying local, state income taxes, gas taxes, tags, etc–those are STATE taxes. The FAIR TAX is revenue NEUTRAL–federal govt will still collect basically the same dollar revenues but INCOME TAX will NO LONGER be reported and the FAIR TAX bill must REQUIRE ABOLISHMENT OF IRS and INCOME TAXES. We are NOT talking about a NEW federal TAX like a “value added TAX” OWEbumbler and the DemocRATS have floated as incentive to INCREASE revenues to spend, the FAIR TAX will be the ONLY federal TAX collected by federal govt from citizens–BUT ALL PARTICIPANTS inside the U.S. and territories who currently pay income taxes will pay into the system–NOBODY will be exempt from paying–those with the most money will PAY the MOST based on their spending habits–more money will be saved in banks and more money saved equals more money available for business growth and expansion, new businesses, new loans, new housing loans–it will immediately spur our economy and growth. There will NO reason to hide income overseas or offshore, no need for tax loopholes. Every time you purchase a NEW item, YOU will pay YOUR fair taxes at point of purchase from a paycheck that will have ONLY local or state taxes deducted before you are paid with it. This 9-9-9 plan that Herman Cain proposed is a “value added tax” that replaces a REDUCTION in income and business taxes–but still leaves BOTH INTACT–that’s ADDING A THIRD LEVEL OF TAXATION at federal level–his intention is to move toward eliminating the income, business tax and ADOPT the FAIR TAX–but WHY would Americans want an ADDITIONAL TAX with “promise” to eventually adopt the FAIR TAX when we CAN’T TRUST politicians to keep their word NOW? We would NEVER SEE adoption of Fair Tax but would open door for the third level of taxation that would increase as Congress desired NO MATTER WHAT THEY PROMISED. The Fair Tax is a plan produced by 200 ECONOMISTS in attempt to make taxation fair for all without reduction in necessary federal revenue or increases in current tax rates–the 23% tax rate they proposed for all NEW purchases equals to within a few pennies MORE or LESS the current combined federal taxes built into each consumer item or service currently. Federal taxes on medicine, food will be REBATED to each individual and family based on a scale according to family size BEFORE those items are purchase each month–YES, you will pay taxes for medicine and food–but reimbursement for those taxes will be made to YOU at the first of month-BEFORE the s expenditures are made. There are NO federal taxes in the FAIR TAX for 2nd hand or PRE-owned items–taxes on those items were paid on original purchase by consumer who originally paid for them. Fair Tax would be a boon to economic growth and prosperity–it puts the full paycheck in each worker’s pocket (less any local, state taxes) every payday–more money to spend–and YOU limit YOUR federal taxes through YOUR spending habits and YOUR OWN purchasing limits. Businesses will NOT pay business taxes anymore–it encourages lowering item prices–and NO MORE PASSING TAXES ON TO THE CONSUMER through prices. Under the current system, each step of item production–from the very first step to the purchase at the business or company–has federal taxes that are passed to consumer through item prices, under FAIR TAX those taxes will be collected ONLY ONCE–at the point of YOUR purchase.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, sounds like you’re really in favor of this tax? The only problem I have is with the corporate and business taxes. Don’t you think that a business that pays a tax only passes the cost of that tax back on to the consumer anyway? Maybe I’m just a poor ignorant soul who doesn’t understand what the word “profit” means and why businesses need to make one to stay in business. Someone needs to show me the math of how a corporation or a business pays a tax that the consumer doesn’t end up paying. Somebody please help me with this so I can understand and rest easy with the idea of corporate and business taxes. And for sure I’m glad that the government won’t resort to an “added value tax” as I consider that sort of a tax to be another hidden burden on the people.

            I don’t want anyone to get me wrong: I have no love for giant corporations at all. They are as much a problem as big government. It appears to me that the two, big government and big businesses, are working hand to hand to fleece and enslave the people.

          • shavager

            Katrael, the FAIR TAX eliminates business taxes–there will be NO TAXES for businesses to pass on to consumers. There is a basic tax of about 23% built into each item consumers purchase–at every level of production of those items-from the very first business or individual that provides the FIRST step of item’s production to LAST step of providing that item for sale on market–each level of production incorporated a business tax that eventually accounts for the average built-in tax of 23%–responsibility for collecting those taxes at each step of production will be eliminated and businesses will operate on profit vs. overhead for production, distribution and employees, the taxes incorporated will be collected at only one point during the production/market process–at the point of sale to consumers. YOU pay the taxes any way YOU look at it, but YOU will no longer be required to report your income, DC politicians hands WILL NOT be in YOUR pocket via tax and income reporting. It’s a tremendous reduction in federal overhead and costs to the taxpayer for supporting costs of IRS agency. Why would Americans NOT WANT TO STOP PAYING INCOME TAX OR SUPPORT THE INTRUSIVE AND ABUSIVE IRS?? YOU would never have to worry about filling out tax reports, NO more fighting over WHO PAYS THE MOST or WHO GETS OUT OF PAYING–that will be limited to each individual making HIS OR HER OWN purchasing/spending decisions and NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, I haven’t had time to digest the fair tax system as proposed so I will ask you this question as I believe you probably know the answer: why not just charge 23% at the cash register like a regular sales tax? If I read your piece correctly it seems as if you’re saying that a tax will be added at the various stages going from raw material to distribution. Do I have that correct? Or am I getting something wrong here which I admit that I frequently do. I’m only looking for an education. Is there a link to something that I can study? Please remember that you’re communicating with somebody that is a trifle slow at times. LOL but true.

          • truesoy

            Katrael, you’re asking shavager for advice?. That is like the blind leading the blind!!!
            Now, that is a truly laughable proposition for the ‘oblivious one’.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            truesoy offers nothing to the conversation but liberal pablum slobber for socialist control over his own life and peonization of the American people. The FAIR TAX is a consumption TAX–a SINGLE TAX collected just like sales taxes that replaces ALL federal taxes. But there will still be sales taxes collected for local, state taxes–the FAIR TAX replaces ONLY federal taxes–it’s very likely that taxes at local and state levels could be restructured in similar fashion making it easier for states to operate tax collection–but states would have individual responsibility to develop their own plans.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, thank you for your answer. That’s what I suspected but need some confirmation for.

            As far as truesoy is concerned: he’s probably very insecure and needs attention so he sticks his ignorant nose into other peoples business to get responses from them all the while he has offered not one shred of evidence to support his blathering. He promised me that he was kissing me off and I thought that he meant that he would no longer respond to me. Oh well you can’t win them all.

          • Samdromeda

            So much objectification. A nation divided cannot stand. On the other hand, however,
            it can be liquidated. Everyone come to America’s “Going Out of Business Sale.” We have started enough wars abroad to dislodge populations who will need to move here to rejuvenate the American base with individuals who hold dual citizenship, just in case this democracy is at the end of its shelf life or more appropriately, its life cycle. Was it not Khrushchev who said…” our grandchildren will bury you.” and “America will drop onto our hands like an over ripe fruit.” Now Putin is saying, to our Anti-Missile Defense of Europe,
            “We will just have to do a preemptive strike. But remember that all efforts both in business and the military are financed through the central banks. I do not see any more Andrew Jacksons on the horizon when it comes to killing the Bank. Austerity lines the coffers of the Central Banks which gives them capital to finance wars. It is a win win proposition as the taxpayers of the winner pays for the losses of the loser. No wonder we cannot have peace
            War is just to profitable. Remember …Rich mans war is a poor mans fight. There is no such thing as a justifiable war. You shall not kill is a command and not a suggestion. But then again we never did pay much attention to God. We have become one Nation Under the god of this world very divisible with oppression and injustice for all.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Samdromeda, “Rich mans war is a poor mans fight.” That’s good.

          • shavager

            WHOA now bubba, if you’re gonna drag GOD into this with the commandment not to KILL, just remember he was on David’s side when he SLEW Goliath, gave Sampson the power to slay his enemies with the jawbone of an ASS, led Mose to the Red Sea to part the Seas before killing thousands of Egyptian soldiers when the Seas drowned them. One thing I promise YOU, God did NOT give OWEbumbler the right to destroy America using the JAWBONE of this ASS.

          • Jeff

            How can you be so sure? Maybe HE read some of the idiocy on this blog and decided to start over!

          • vieteravet

            The actual meaning is; “Thou shalt not commit murder.” Killing has always been part of the Old Testament.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, you said ….”WHOA now bubba, if you’re gonna drag GOD into this with the commandment not to KILL, just remember he was on David’s side when he SLEW Goliath, gave Sampson the power to slay his enemies with the jawbone of an ASS, led Mose to the Red Sea to part the Seas before killing thousands of Egyptian soldiers when the Seas drowned them. One thing I promise YOU, God did NOT give OWEbumbler the right to destroy America using the JAWBONE of this ASS.”….You are onto something and I have some information to share about this.

            Exo 20:13 Thou shalt notH3808 kill.H7523 KJV

            H7523

            râtsach
            raw-tsakh’
            A primitive root; properly to dash in pieces, that is, kill (a human being), especially to murder: – put to death, kill, (man-) slay (-er), murder (-er).
            Strong’s Concordance.

            Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon(BDB) H7523 רצח vb. murder, slay, with premeditation, Ex20:13

            The KJV tranlates H7523 to be the word “kill” but BDB disagree’s with that rendering and so do other translations. A version that I use, “The Scriptures” published by Institute For Scripture Research (PTY) LTD out of South Africa translates Exo 20:13 to read “You do not murder”

            This is an exact quote from the Hebrew Torah Exo 20:13 לא תרצח׃ These two words translate to say just what The Scriptures say. “You do not murder”

            This is one of the Hebrew words that also gets translated into the word “kill”.

            H4191
            מוּת
            mûth
            mooth
            A primitive root; to die (literally or figuratively); causatively to kill: – X at all, X crying, (be) dead (body, man, one), (put to, worthy of) death, destroy (-er), (cause to, be like to, must) die, kill, necro [-mancer], X must needs, slay, X surely, X very suddenly, X in [no] wise. Strong’s

            A very different word from H7523 Here’s BDB’s definition of H4191 die.

            Does this make any difference knowing the definitions of the actual words from the Hebrew? I think it does. Does this help you make a point?

            There are times in our world where it’s appropriate to “kill” somebody. Our society has that as an option for certain crimes. YHWH also gave instructions to “kill” people. If he instructed people to do what he told them not to do then He would not be trustworthy.

            Lev 20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to deathH4191: and ye shall slay the beast.
            Lev 20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill H2026 (H853) the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to deathH4191; their blood shall be upon them.

            H2026
            הרג
            hârag
            haw-rag’
            A primitive root; to smite with deadly intent: – destroy, out of hand, kill, murder (-er), put to [death], make [slaughter], slay (-er), X surely.
            Strong’s Concordance

            BDB H2026 rarely of judicial killing by men (at God’s command) Lev 20:15, 16

            This brings something else to mind: people have bad or inaccurate information about what their Bible really says and it’s no wonder that so many disavow the Bible and YHWH.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, lelah tov et kelev zawkane godolcha. I did not ask for advice I asked him to answer a question. Now truesoy, it seems that you have decided to dispense with civilities so I’ll say this: go back to school and get an education, learn how to read then buy yourself a good dictionary because the words advice and question have two different meanings. And just what is so sincere about your snide sarcastic remarks?

            Yes, I’m ignorant about a lot of things and I’m not to ashamed to ask people to inform me and I’ve done just that several times with you and you only come back with the same bull droppings. Grow up. You display a juvenile mentality.

          • truesoy

            I did not implied you were ignorant. I just wanted to conveythe message to you that asking shavager for answers is not an adviseable proposition, for he dwells in the ‘majestic forest of la-la Land.
            And as far as I not giving you information supported by fact and/or source, I do, they are either founs in public record, or in history books.

            Ps.- Andrew Jackson was a Freemason, too.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, I don’t think I said that you said that. I said I’m ignorant and I see no shame in that. There are a lot of things I don’t know and those far out weigh what I do know. Ignorance can be corrected through education.

            As to shavager and his answer: he gave me one by explaining how he understood a :”fair tax” works. I took that information as is because we don’t have a “fair tax” system in the Federal Criminal government and what he described seemed fairer than what we have now. I object to people offing information that is supposed to be history without presenting sources as there can be differences in historical accounts. As to Andrew Jackson being a Freemason? It would be nice if you offered some documentation however I don’t have a problem with the idea that he was. Maybe I’ll do my own research when that issue becomes more important to me.

          • truesoy

            …and about Andrew Jackson, just open a book on the american revolution and the Fremasons contriutions. You can also check out the history channel, maybe is on line, ot google American Revolution and the influence of the masons and their connection te the French lodge and the influence on the French Crown to actively support the American Revolution.
            on’t take my word, though; butdouble check his ‘facts’, anyway.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, I could care less about the contributions that a group of people who exist in the open but who have secrets that they need to keep from the common person. I don’t trust them and all of their good will and deeds are most likely done to hide a nefarious purpose.

          • truesoy

            Katrael,
            There is nothing secret about the ‘Masons’ that is a danger to society. If there was, and it was this secret ‘take over’ and who knows what other mystery, George Washington being a Mason himself, would’ve taken the opportunity presented to him to be ‘crowned King, but he didn’t; instead he gave us democracy.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, what you said about Washington giving us a democracy is an outright lie. Our founding fathers gave us a republic founded on constitutional law that had democratic elements in it. A republic and a democracy are two different things…completely different things. As to the secrecy of the Masons? How in the world would you know about what the Masons are doing in their secret meetings unless you are one of them? I understand that the Masons of Washington’s days were different from the Masons today. I could be wrong but I was led to believe that the Masons were infiltrated by an organization that had been hunted out of existence in Europe and took cover within the ranks of the Masons? This could be wrong and Tom W. many know more about it.

          • shavager

            Lets’s get it straight, the Founding Fathers gave us a Constitutional REPUBLIC with representative govt using democracy as form of govt. They DID not belive in a true democracy–James Madison, Federalist #10: “Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” Democracy is majority rule, that’s why the Founding Fathers designed the Electoral College system to give EVERY state a say in presidential elections–popular vote in national elections would give just states like Texas, California and New York the necessary popular votes to elect the president EVERY ELECTION.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, you can talk all day about the benefits of a republic over a democracy with nc, truesoy and others and how this country was founded as a republic with limited democratic elements but they won’t understand. They like the idea of a democracy because they are a real part of the lazy 80% and a democracy gives them a way to steal from those who are better off financially.

            The electoral college is what we need to return to but this won’t happen as long we have a corporate government with a corporate Senate. The seventeenth amendment needs to be repealed and the Senators need to be appointed by the State legislatures as they used to be. The passing of the seventeenth amendment was a death blow to our republic and is responsible for almost making this country into a true democracy. The only thing that needs to be done to finish the job is for the Supreme Court to become elected officials by the people and that will finish killing this country and it’ll do it much faster than any other way.

          • Deerinwater

            “shavager, you can talk all day about the benefits of a republic over a democracy with nc, truesoy and others and how this country was founded as a republic with limited democratic elements but they won’t understand. ”

            Right! and if that’s not enough, ~ let them go live in the Republic Of Mexico for a few years. ~ Send me a Post Card.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Now now Deerinwater no need to sulk. I’m not going anywhere and it’ll be alright, I’ve got the cot ready and the lentil soup is on the stove. I really wish you would hurry up and get here as there is a mountain of work to be done.

          • Deerinwater

            I’ve never had lentils , ~ I did buy some once but never cooked them , not knowing how.

            An Indian friend say she would, but we never got around to it,.,

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, lentils are very easy to cook; place them in a pot of water, add salt to taste, boil until they are the consistency you prefer, add seasoning to taste and you’ve got it. You can even add meat to them if you want.

          • shavager

            You’ve got it now Katrael, from the raw material to the sale in the store, consumer products cost those producing the items taxes every step of the way and responsibility to keep track of taxes collected and paid each step of the way–the FAIR TAX eliminates all the business reponsibility except the collection at the cash register SALE just as they do for local, state sales taxes. It’s the simplest form of collecting federal taxes for revenue and eliminates need for IRS for anything since the Treasury would be responsible for collecting national sales taxes , consumption tax or FAIR TAX–whichever you choose to call it because that’s what it is–a federal sales tax on consumption that every single person who participates in the American economy in the U.S. will pay–NO exceptions.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, since we have to have a tax system to provide the necessities we can’t provide individually then this seems to be one of the fairest. Thanks again.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, sorry about the business tax rant. I get carried away with that at times. Let me understand: a fair tax basically equals a type of sales tax? If that’s it then I’ve been an advocate of this type of a system for a long time. People can avoid paying this tax legally by not purchasing goods that can be taxed this way.

            As far as savings? Inflation needs to under control or a persons savings will be eaten up because the dollars they saved will be worth less than they were when they saved them. The only things safe from the inflation tax are commodities who’s value goes up with the pace of inflation.

            I agree that the people won’t want something that is promised tomorrow for accepting what is offered today. Adding another tax burden today with the promise of removing others tomorrow is just asking to be abused.

            I also know that you didn’t make the system we have today and that you and I and a whole lot of folks are just the victims of somebodies decisions that were made before we were born.

        • shavager

          Dave, you are assuming the FAIR TAX will be passed and instituted with income tax remaining–that’s NOT what the FAIR TAX is. Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is a 3 level TAX system that institutes basically a “value added tax” of 9% on ALL purchases of consumer products while reducing income and business taxes to 9% each. I don’t know why he thinks Americans will agree with this, he was a supporter of FAIR TAX but thinks starting with the 9-9-9 plan he could’ve eventually abolished the income tax with an actual FAIR TAX if he got elected. I don’t advocate ADDING any more federal taxes. Our tax code is 67,500 pages LONG, it has cost TRILLIONS of dollars in expenses for preparation, tax courts, lawyers, lobbyists fighting for special loopholes for their clients. WE can end Income tax, capital gains taxes, corporate income taxes, Social Security and Medicare taxes, shut down the IRS and STOP REPORTING OUR INCOME to the Feds in DC with passage of the FAIR TAX–ONE SINGLE TAX replacing ALL OTHER Federal taxes. Some financial experts believe there is a potential $11 TRILLION dollars invested in offshore, foreign banks by Americans that WILL COME HOME, with passage of the FAIR TAX–all those dollars will return to U.S. for investment–creating a nation FREE of taxes on manufacturing, production and growth–it will spur BILLIONS IF NOT TRILLIONS of dollars into U.S. from private investment. There will be NO UNDERGROUND MARKET for drug dealers, tax cheaters, illegals, or wealthy to hide their income by not reporting–they will pay just as everyone else does at point of purchasing NEW consumer goods or services from private sector. No GIFT TAXES, NO DEATH TAXES, NO self-employment TAXES, NO tax forms, NO tax records kept, NO tax preparation, NO alternative minimum taxes, NO tax courts, NO tax lawyers, NO income tax late fees or deadlines. ONE single federal tax paid when purchasing, KEEP YOUR WHOLE PAYCHECK, (only deductions would be local, state taxes) and it TAKES DC POLITICIANS HANDS OUT OF YOUR POCKETS. It is supported by Congressman John Linder of Ga. who originally proposed the bill to the House, former Fed Chairman of Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas Leo Linbeck, former Gov. Mike Huckabee, Nobel winning economist Dr. Vernon L.Smith and 79 other prominent economists, Federal Reserve Board Member Wayne Angell, many Senators and members of Congress. IT IS A CONSUMPTION TAX, SIMPLE, FAIR and PRO-GROWTH.

          • truesoy

            shavager,
            just to let you know I wrote in response to your assumptions about Social Security, privatization, and retired city employees millionaires in Texas.
            It took me over a day to response, and there I apologize.
            I think you’ll find it educational.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • terris

        Shavager, none of those records are public records and none of us have the right to them. As for Obama being adopted by his stpfathe -1) I have never seen any legal indication that hwask and 2) a child does not lose their US citizenship becauuse of the actions of the parents. Period. Endof story. Anything past that definition is soley wishful thinking and is not grounded in fact.

        Presidential Reords, btw, are the records of the Presidential Administration, not the personal reecords of the Presidents whole life.

  • Bobby

    Since the death of John Kennedy blacks in this country has always voted for a Democrat and they were all white men, I didn’t hear any of your sniffling then, now if they didn’t vote for President Obama after having voted for all of these other white Democrats, Then of course they would be racists. You have it backwards.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    A little over three years ago, the Democrats offered their equivalent of a Trojan Horse to America in the form of a shiny, new, extremely well-crafted, beautiful black man. Its mega-internal speakers broadcast a hypnotic message, heavily reverbed to create a godlike effect and looped 24/7, promising “Hope and Change.”

    A “perfect storm” of circumstances led to America’s enthusiastic embrace of the Democrats’ ebony idol Trojan Horse: white guilt, black racism, and perhaps even the popularity of the American Idol TV show. Obama was the first “rock star” American Ebony Idol presidential candidate. Democrats were elated by their good fortune.

    Obama would be the key to implementing all of their liberal-academia, utopia-producing theories, his black skin insulating him from any and all opposition. Oppose Obama? You’re racist!

    The Democrats keep their R-for-racist branding iron red-hot and ready to apply swift retribution to any feisty, uppity conservative or Republican who dares challenge Obama.

    Basking in their tactical genius, Democrats thought, “We did it! We pulled off the perfect exploitation of race to implement our socialistic agenda — a liberal black man in the White House.” Someone at the DNC even broke out their old Commodores record as they partied: “Ce-le-brate good times, C’MON!”

    As America slept, one night under the cover of darkness, a hidden door in the ebony idol opened; out rushed an army of vicious liberal minions, freedom-killing mandates, and socialistic policies. Their mission: destroy our capitalist system and massacre America as we know it.

    Totally unexpected and to the horror of the Democrats, We, The People rose up.

    Patriots, via divine inspiration, formed the Tea Party. Patriot freedom-fighters began winning skirmishes around the country — governorships in New Jersey, Virginia, and Florida — and defeating the tyrannous teachers’ union in Wisconsin, to name a few. We took the House. We will take the Senate and are predicted to take the White House in 2012.

    Obama: A hollow, soulless shell of empty liberal ideology, its internal recorded message malfunctioning.

    The Democrats’ ebony idol, their so-called gift to America, has been exposed for the fraud it truly is — a hollow, soulless shell of empty liberal ideology, its internal recorded message malfunctioning and distorted, stuck repeating the phrase, “I blame…I blame…I blame…”

    Seeing the handwriting on the wall via polling, the Dems wish they could abandon their disastrous ebony race card for Hillary, their gender card.

    But alas, they cannot. After spending the last three years, assisted by their media minions, convincing Americans that any and all criticism of or opposition to Obama is racist, Democrats find themselves victims of their own trap.

    Fearing the repercussions, Dems do not dare display the slightest abandonment of Obama. I love it! They who live by the race card die by the race card.

    Despite the media’s relentless attempts to brand us otherwise, the Tea Party has never been about race. Our focus and sole desire have been to uphold the Constitution and restore our freedom, liberty, and culture.

    The Tea Party’s goals are much higher than the Democrats’ bottom-feeding agenda of exploiting race for political gain. This is why it is so sweet that they are stuck with their loser black candidate.

    You leftists, do not try to spin my comment as being racist. I, along with millions of my white Tea Party brothers and sisters, would gladly cast a presidential vote for blacks such as Herman Cain and Col. Allen West in a heartbeat. So don’t even go there.

    Ironically, the Democrats who claim ownership of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., shamefully dishonor his dream. The Tea Party, vilified by the Democrats, fully embraces MLK’s dream by judging and selecting their candidates by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. Thus, the Tea Party, much-hated by Democrats, is the realization of MLK’s dream. And for the record, MLK was a Republican.

    The Democrats played the ultimate race card — an incompetent affirmative-action
    president, and now they are stuck with him. The faux finish on their once-shiny ebony idol is rapidly deteriorating, peeling off daily. Come 2012, Obama is a sure loser. “Ce-le-brate good times, C’MON!”

    • Deerinwater

      Jay , there seem to be no limits to your imagination!

      You waste your talent here, have you ever considered writing fiction novels? I think that you’d find it much more rewarding and more profitable.

      You just get better and better!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        I actually like it here, mr. deer, and i think i’ll stick around for a while, that’s of course, if you don’t mind!

        • Deerinwater

          Of Course not Jay, I’d miss you. I just hate to see such talent wasted.

          But what are you going to do when 44 secures his 2nd term?

          You know , you should not consider that as a personal failure while clearly it will be a devastating turn of events after all your long hours and hard work.

          For what it’s worth, I admirer your efforts.

          They are saying Romney will out spend him. I would think any contender would have too. Man, that’s a lot of money!

          I’m thinking you and I should get in the loop somewhere and be apart of that. But I just don’t have the time, I’d have to quit working on broken air conditioners and leaky pipes and cleaning up the mess.

          I think you and I can spin a whopper as good as anyone they got on the payroll.

      • shavager

        Where do you marxist pablum lickers supporting OWEbumbler want to start with FACTS? He’s SPENT more money in 3 YEARS than previous 43 presidents spent in 233 YEARS. He’s SPENT nearly $6 TRILLION, 50%+ increase in National DEBT. HE INCREASED FEDERAL SPENDING 27% since elected during a RECESSION We have the HIGHEST DEBT IN WORLD HISTORY, the HIGHEST level of FOODSTAMPS and WELFARE in U.S. History, FIRST TRILLION DOLLAR deficits in U.S. HISTORY, we have the MOST UNEMPLOYED Americans in over 70 years–88 MILLION either unemployed or underemployed, govt IS SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN ANYTIME IN HISTORY and this president has SPENT MORE MONEY overseas DURING A RECESSION than any in U.S. history. He spent $190,464 STIMULUS dollars of YOUR money to STUDY sex reversal in RATS, $4.7 MILLION for research on supersonic CORPORATE JETS, $1.97 MILLION to study SEX activity of HOMELESS MEN, $529 MILLION for Fisker auto to build cars IN FINLAND, $23 MILLION to build BIKE paths in Pennsylvania, $219,000 stimulus dollars to Syracuse Univ to study FEMALE DATING, $72,000 to Wake Forest to study COCAINE use in Monkeys, $9.3 MILLION to Harvard (where he went to college) to study FLYING ROBOTS, $500,000 to Gothic, Colorado to study WILDFLOWERS, $500,000 for bike trail to Minn Twins stadium, $850,000 to Yale for study on PAYING ATTENTION in college classes—all these billions were supposed to be spent for JOBS, SHOVEL READY PROJECTS–instead went to CRONIES, campaign contributors and PRODUCED FEW JOBS. He SENT approximately $2.3 BILLION OVERSEAS TO CREATE JOBS THERE.

        • wth44

          You forgot the study where the government spent 600K To Study Why Monkeys Throw Their Feces. Researches find poop-throwing by chimps is a sign of intelligence. This research was done in 2011. “More federal funding in the amount of $593,000 went to a primate research center to study where in chimpanzees’ brains they get the idea to throw their feces.”… and
          A Virginia university received $55,000 to study Jordanian students’ water pipe smoking habits. [JORDANIAN STUDENTS? NOT EVEN AMERICANS!!!!!!]… not to mention
          A new grant of $176,000 joined $350,000 already spent to study how cocaine hurts or helps the sex drive of Japanese quail. [WHEN DID JAPANESE QUAIL START USING COCAINE?]

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Of Course not Jay, I’d miss you. I just hate to see such talent wasted.

        deer says : But what are you going to do when 44 secures his 2nd term?

        Well you know deer, every question has a flip-side, a twin, if you will. That being; But what are you, going to do, when mr. 44 doesn’t secure his second term?

        deer say: You know , you should not consider that as a personal failure while clearly it will be a devastating turn of events after all your long hours and hard work.

        Likewise! But i suspect that when mr. O fails to garner a second term, you, mr. deer, will consider it a personal failure. You may even be disturbed and traumatized, and wonder; what happened? How could the American people be so cruel, and note vote for a man based on his skin colour? Are they blind? Can’t they notice that he is at least 54% black? How can they be so colour blind? Of course, the fact that mr. O is half black, has not escaped your laser-like observation, hey deer? No, not you! You most certainly are not confused about that. Everything else, yes, but not that!

        deer says: For what it’s worth, I admirer your efforts.

        Well thank you deer, likewise, i’m sure!

        deer says: They are saying Romney will out spend him. I would think any contender would have too. Man, that’s a lot of money!

        I seriously doubt that, mr. deer. It is a well known fact that mr. O has the largest cash reserves for his campaign, however, in the area of ideas on how to fix this countries’ problems, bankrupt! Personally, i think he’ll need all the cash he can get his hand’s on! LOL!!!!

        deer says: I’m thinking you and I should get in the loop somewhere and be apart of that. But I just don’t have the time, I’d have to quit working on broken air conditioners and leaky pipes and cleaning up the mess.

        I think there’s enough chef’s in the kitchen, mr. deer.

        deer says: I think you and I can spin a whopper as good as anyone they got on the payroll.

        Well according to some of your, whoppers, mr. deer, you should be working for “Burger King” rather then fixing broken air-conditionners and leaky pipes. It seems you suffer from similar malady as mr. O; can’t fix anything, but you can sure dish-out the “Whoppers”!

        • Deerinwater

          “mr. deer, will consider it a personal failure”

          oh no! after “W” it’s not personal anymore, any need for seriousness has been exhausted. We live in a free country where people can survive and even do well thinking anything! And it’s not against the law to be completely insane.

          “You may even be disturbed and traumatized, and wonder; what happened? How could the American people be so cruel, and not vote for a man based on his skin colour? ”

          I guess you don’t know me at all! You are really getting off the reality path and going into fiction la la land, ~and why I suggest, fiction suits you well. You assume much more then what is offered, finding transference of ideas easy to apply to anyone that suit your fancy.

          “Well according to some of your, whoppers, mr. deer, you should be working for “Burger King””

          LOL! Well, I will admit it, ~ I do think my best work is permitting you believe that you had it your way!

          Offering you a trip to Hell and you looking forward to the trip with a big grin on your face, pleases me.

          You’ve got a big hole in your banter you fill with stereotyping. If you ever resolve that short coming, you could be very effective.

          At this point , you should know me much better.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        deer says: oh no! after “W” it’s not personal anymore, any need for seriousness has been exhausted. We live in a free country where people can survive and even do well thinking anything! And it’s not against the law to be completely insane.

        No, apparently its not against the law to be completely insane. The fact that mr. O and his socialist cronies are not locked-up, is proof positive that being completely insane, is not against the law!

        “You may even be disturbed and traumatized, and wonder; what happened? How could the American people be so cruel, and not vote for a man based on his skin colour? ”

        deer says: I guess you don’t know me at all! You are really getting off the reality path and going into fiction la la land, ~and why I suggest, fiction suits you well. You assume much more then what is offered, finding transference of ideas easy to apply to anyone that suit your fancy.

        If its not his skin colour, what else could it be? Please don’t tell me its because of his domestic policies. Surely you jest?

        “Well according to some of your, whoppers, mr. deer, you should be working for “Burger King””

        deer says: LOL! Well, I will admit it, ~ I do think my best work is permitting you believe that you had it your way!

        Well, you’re not quite that generous, mr. deer. For if i had it my way, your beautiful-black-stallion, wouldn’t be in the White-House!

        deer says: Offering you a trip to Hell and you looking forward to the trip with a big grin on your face, pleases me.

        That’s a very generous offer, mr. deer, but i must respectfully decline; as i have no intention of following in your foot-steps.

        deer says: You’ve got a big hole in your banter you fill with stereotyping. If you ever resolve that short coming, you could be very effective.

        Hang on to that race-card deer, its your ace in-the-hole. No pun intended; well, maybe.

        deer says: At this point , you should know me much better.

        I think i do know you, very well! Cheers…

      • JeffH

        Jay, I’ve rather enjoyed your one-sided exchange with deer bob.
        The more he tries to talk down to you, or anyone that understands what he’s really about, the easier it is to bury him in his own hole. He’s just so full of himself…”I” this and “I” that…”I”, “I”, “I” is what he’s all about… that and “spinning tales”.

        • Deerinwater

          Well, ~Jump in anytime Jeff ~ I don’t mind cleaning your clock for you. What have brought in for show & tell today and where did you find it?
          Take a number and get in line.

      • Deerinwater

        Jay say; “If its not his skin colour, what else could it be? Please don’t tell me its because of his domestic policies. Surely you jest?”

        Damn Jay? If you can’t get passed someone skin pigment, I fail to see how a conservation is possible on any level. Evidently that is all you can see!

        Thanks for openly sharing your view that skin color means more to you then the issues.

        Forgive me if I don’t act surprised to your acknowledgement of your racial bigotry. We always knew you for that you are, you haven’t fooled anyone.

      • JeffH

        deer bob, drunk again? Medicated? Delusional? Full of yourself again?

        Butttttt, if you feel better dreaming, don’t let me stop you.
        Oh, give it your best shot ’cause up ’til now you’ve been a feeble failure, exception being your own mind. Wishfull at best!

        LMAO!

      • Deerinwater

        That’s right Jeff, you go hide somewhere, skit the issues of the day and throw spit balls. It’s becomes you, you are little more the a lap dog that like to run with a pack of lap dogs when someone lets you out.

        Tell us about these injustice you endure due in part to racial prejudices. What do you think about Jay’s “Black Stallion” ? That was his words, were they not?

        Man up and say something or go hide.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        oh deer Deer, the politically correct bug has bit you so hard you’re seeing things…what’s wrong with black stallion, or white knight? Nothing, just very descriptive words -

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        I said, “Beautiful-Black-Stallion”, mr deer; and i must admit, he is beautiful! So what’s the problem; has the word “Black” sent you reeling? Poor mrs. deer, such a sensitive soul!

      • JeffH

        deer bob, quite a non-memorable rant…cat got yer tongue?

        “I” think “I’ll” stick around if for nothing more than to irritate you. That’s what “I’m” doing isn’t it? Irritating you?

        Oh deer bob, FYI…you are such a sucker? For a liberal(oh my), you don’t show much tolerance.

        Col Nathan R. Jessep (Jack Nicholson): You want answers?

        Lt. Daniel Kaffee (Tom Cruise): I think I’m entitled.

        Jessep: You want answers?

        Kaffee: I want the truth!

        Jessep: You can’t handle the truth!”

        • Deerinwater

          You dirty Rat!

          Are we auditioning for a bit part in a movie Jeff?

          What’s between Jay and I, is between Jay and I , ~

          The thread Title is “Racist for Obama”

          Badges? We don’t need no stinking badges!

          I would say that anyone hypersensitive to the point of being “offended” to people of another race or to say people found “not like” themselves could claim the title of Racist.

          When the offense is taken by smell or sight that’s something different, you can be offended by sight and smell and not be a racist while transferring this offense into preconceived idea or notion that could qualifies one as racist.

          Now pay attention Jeff, I just made a statement and it’s now open for your attack. That is the manner in which forum posting is suppose to work.

          Now attack the statement or crawl back under the porch.

      • JeffH

        Oh dear God, deer bob…I make one little comment to Jay(between he and “I”) and you come unglued…get control of yourself and quit babbling…yes, “I” said quit babbling!

        Look in the mirror oh not so wise one..you asked for a fight, I give you a fight, not quite the run and hide you wished fo or you’d like. You’re a complete joke deer bob, not to be taken serious. That badge you claim you don’t wear stands out like the northern star…crying out “I’m a liberal and I’m proud”. No amount of denial y yourself will change that. You may not like it, but you wear it… now say it loud, “I’m a liberal and I’m proud”.

        Not to worry deer bob, “I’ll” check back in a little later and promise never to run and hide or go away…just for you. :)

        Don’t ya just hate it when you can’t spit out the hook?

        • Deerinwater

          Just put your lip together and blow ~ Jeff.

          Say something Jeff. preferably relevant to the thread. It’s bad enough Jay and I are off topic . ~ don’t add to it. You were advise to get out of it.

          You can be a racist if that’s your design, it like being a homosexual, you can’t help yourself. One thing leads to another. again, That’s a statement, True ? False?

      • JeffH

        Oh, one more little thing for you to ponder deer bob…”I” think, throughout my tenure here, that “I’ve” made it pretty clear where “I” stand in regards to racists and racism. Now do your duty and spin me a tale or three paragraphs. I know it’s in ya’.

      • JeffH

        deer bob says “You can be a racist if that’s your design…”

        Hod on while I LMAO and back it up with a quick ROF and LMAO some more.

        Whatever you’re takin’ or drinkin’ it must be halucunogenic.
        Let’s try this…you won’t look and sound so stupid if you keep your mouth shut…OK?

        “I’m” afraid you’ve been mistakin’ for granny and been pushed over a cliff.

        FYI, I don’t play by your rules deer bob…’cause I’m not a liberal.

        • Deerinwater

          Thank you for your “thoughtful” reply and responding to the statement.

          I’ll leave you to yourself and your drivel, I’d enjoy taking you to task but I require some substance. There is minimum standards to everything.

      • JeffH

        deer bob, you think too highly of yourself and your ??? eh,well whatever else it is you think about yourself.

        The only game you have is your own confusion, as confusing as that is. Frankly speaking, “I’m” not impressed and never have been.

  • FreedomFighter

    America is being taken over, Obama is working toward Martial Law, estimates put this trigger event for June, July, if not then after the election to stop the transfer of power to Mitt.

    Many documents have been leaked, that detail what is coming, what is planned by communist organizations in our own government. WAKE UP you wanted a time line —

    WE ARE NOW IN THE TIMELINE OF TAKEOVER OF AMERICA

    Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori

    is a line from the Roman lyrical poet Horace’s Odes (III.2.13). The line can be roughly translated into English as: “It is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country.”

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • jopa

      Time for your Meds.

      • Deerinwater

        Makes you wonder what kind of life these people must live doesn’t it Jopa.

        In inside of their homes lined with sand bagged , widows nailed shut a bared. Sitting at their computer with ammo belts around their neck and flak jackets on. Kitchen stocked with 10 cases of MRI’s and 40 gallons of portable water stashed.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Oh there’s jopa, the big “Pharma Queen”, who thinks she can solve all problems with meds. Well one thing’s for sure jopa, you’re a prime example that big pharma can’t fix everything!

        And then we have mr. deer, who can’t quite get a handle on reality. He’s never quite sure which way is up, wether he should go up or down, sideways or forwards; beguiled and confused by what is going on; yet, he jabbers on. However, the one thing you seem unconfused about, is that everything is confusing and unclear. It behooves me the your friend, the big pharma queen, jopa, hasn’t suggested to you, deer, some heavy meds. No doubt that would confuse you, as you would be incapable of deciding whether to take the blue or the red pill, and would wonder whether jopa’s intentions would be less then honourable. How sad, and what a predicament, the big pharma queen, and mr.confused, find themselves in! You two should be pitied…

      • DaveH

        Interesting, isn’t it, how the “compassionate” Liberals can spend so much time personally attacking others? I think I smell a skunk.

      • shavager

        Jopa, must be a lot of people who agree with several on this site about OWEbumbler–you know what the hottest selling consumer item is in Hawaii? GUNS, nationwide guns and ammunition are one of the fastest selling items in U.S.–WHY? OWEbumbler, that’s why. Ruger Firearms has STOPPED TAKING ORDERS–they are 1 MILLION GUNS BEHIND in orders, Smith and Wesson are some 800,000 or more behind in orders. While some laugh and make remarks about “taking meds” or “off in another world”–MILLIONS OF AMERICANS are buying up GUNS AND AMMO. Homeland Security has ordered 700 MILLION ROUNDS themselves–do they know something YOU don’t? Maybe other Americans know the answer–their action is buying WEAPONS and ammo.

  • David

    This for Jay, I don’t feel it was necessary for name calling to make your point. I wish that Cain would have been your candidate, but alas garbage was dug up on him to kill his candacy. I think he could have won without a struggle, he wasn’t afraid to tell what he would do to turn around this country. Part of what I hear in your long comment was sounding like maybe we have the anti-Christ in our Whitehouse?? At any rate you certainly put a lot of thought into your comment.

    • Deerinwater

      Cain lived in a dumpster my fellow American. The flies were circling him before someone put the idea head and money in his hand to run for President. This defused any notions about the Tea Party or Republicans harboring any resemblance of being a bunch of white racist.

      An early effort to tap into 12% of the voting public while mounting vicious attacks on a sitting President often found to be void merit and completely baseless without completely alienating the Black American vote in the process.

      That was Herman Cain job, where he knew it or not. I really don’t think that he did. I believe much like yourself , he thought that he was actually a contender!

      That is the only way it could have worked ~ for you and him to “Believe”

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Yes deer, we all understand your reservations regarding Cain. He is after all, a Conservative. Apparently your colour blindness is a virtue/gift reserved only for your party. The more i get to know you, deer, the less i want to know you. Know what i mean?

        • Deerinwater

          There was nothing “Conservative” about Cain JAY!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        I should have said Republican.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      David says: I wish that Cain would have been your candidate, but alas garbage was dug up on him to kill his candidacy.

      Why would you wish that on anyone, David? Surely you jest?

      Cain served as Chairman of the Board of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City Omaha Branch from January 1, 1989 to December 31, 1991. He became a member of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City in 1992. He served as deputy chairman from January 1, 1992 to December 31, 1994, and then as its chairman until August 19, 1996, when he resigned to become active in national politics.

      Do i need to say anything more, David?

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      David, there are a lot of ant-Christs and they are not all in the White House.

  • http://Personallibertydigest David Hawkins

    Opinions are one thing facts are another. 8 yrs a “White man ” ran this country into the ground and as usual a black man had to clean it up. Fact when Bush left office we were losing 750k jobs a month. Fact: Dow jones was at 6k when Bush left office ,fact its near 13k. Fact all other countries due to austerity have negative growth while America have 2-3% growth. Fact If Obama had allowed the car companies demise all the manufactures would have gone out of business creating another Great Depression. Fact Due to Obama leadership Osama bin laden is “DEAD”. Fact Everybody needs healthcare especially those with “Preexisting Illness”. Fact President Obama is not the “Pastor of the United States”. This is a secular Job governed by the constitution. All people deserve equal rights under the law. I’m a Christian so is Obama but he represents the athetist, Gay rights ,civil rights and just about every faction that contributes to this society. You don’t have to like the man for whatever reason but , don’t deny “The FACTS”.

    • Deerinwater

      They been denying these fact for three years , one more won’t be much of a stretch for them David.

      It’s stupid or it’s racist while they deny either. It seem as if “deny” has been the only thing that they truly excel at, having made an “Art Form” of it.

      I’m lead to believe it is a core class study for Republicans, Deny 101 with Deny & Distract 102 second semester. Then there is Diversion 101 followed by Premeditated Carelessness 102 . English Creative Writing 101 followed by English Lit 101 Lee Atwater

    • jeepman1

      david you are a funny little man! In fact, you are so funny that noone is laughing.

      You say that “opinions are one thing facts are another.” Maybe you should take your own advice.

      Let’s just take an objective look at your inane rant, such as “8 yrs a “White man ” ran this country into the ground and as usual a black man had to clean it up.” Well, since we are talking about racist sentiment, this tops it all.

      Fact when Bush left office we were losing 750k jobs a month. So what? What has your hero managed? Fact: the number of jobs under Obama has dropped by 1.86 million. http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST25000003

      Fact: Dow jones was at 6k when Bush left office ,fact its near 13k. And, that means what? Oh yeah, big business has been cleaning up. But, since Obama took office the top earners are making more while the rest are making less, a lot less. So, crony capitolism is alive and doing better under Obama. Yeah!
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/business/income-inequality/

      Fact all other countries due to austerity have negative growth while America have 2-3% growth. Okay, so socialism is a failure overseas. Then, why would we want to bring it here? Silly liberal, always proving the point that socialism sucks.

      Fact If Obama had allowed the car companies demise all the manufactures would have gone out of business creating another Great Depression. A debateable “fact” at best. I just wonder when the tax payers will get that $133 billion they owe us? http://business.time.com/2012/01/30/the-neverending-bailout-the-u-s-is-still-owed-133-billion-from-crisis-fund/

      Fact Due to Obama leadership Osama bin laden is “DEAD”. Sooo, the waterboarding that Obama was against led to intel that narrowed the search to areas Obama was against searching that eventually led to OBL being found was because of…who? Oh yeah! Former President Bush, who authorized the waterboarding, created the intel organizations that sought him and built the capabilities the Navy used to kill him. Good thing they could get Obama off the golf course long enough to authorize the shoot.

      Fact Everybody needs healthcare especially those with“Preexisting Illness”. And?

      Fact President Obama is not the “Pastor of the United States”. This is a secular Job governed by the constitution. All people deserve equal rights under the law. I’m a Christian so is Obama but he represents the athetist, Gay rights ,civil rights and just about every faction that contributes to this society. Again…and?

      You don’t have to like the man for whatever reason but , don’t deny “The FACTS” So, what are we left with? Jobs being lost, the income gap growing, crony capitalism alive and well, health care costs up and less accessable for all, and OBL is dead. I guess that about sums up your “facts”. How convenient you forgot to mention that the deficit is growing, racism is rampant, the daily scandals that rock the administration, and a plethora of failures that your savior has “accomplished” as well.

    • shavager

      David. let’s get some of YOUR FACTS straight: before the mortgage COLLAPSE in ’08, America had enjoyed 48 CONSECUTIVE months of growth in economy due to BUSH tax cuts to spur economic growth after the Clinton recession–YES, we were in RECESSION six months before Bush was even elected. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage giants that control majority of U.S. mortgages COLLAPSED UNDER DemocRAT control of Congress AFTER BUSH warned on several occasions the market was in trouble. DemocRAT Chris Dodd in Senate and Barney Frank in House protected those agencies–they are DemocRAT OPERATED programs started under Carter and expanded under Clinton to give no down payment, fluctuating interest loans to low income and ILLEGALS who could NOT ANYWHERE ELSE. DemocRATS CONTROLLED CONGRESS since Jan ’07 YEAR BEFORE the collapse. OWEbumbler killed bin Laden USING TECHNOLOGY AND PROGRAMS PUT INTO EFFECT BY W. BUSH. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME MORE FACTS: OWEbumbler has spent MORE MONEY than all 43 previous presidents COMBINED! He inherited a national DEBT of $9.5-10 TRILLION dollars after 233 YEARS of govt., in JUST 3 YEARS he RAISED IT OVER 50%+ to nearly $16 TRILLION DOLLARS–and guess what? YOU get to help pay it back with HIGHER gas prices, energy bills, income taxes, local, state taxes, groceries, loan costs, auto insurance, tags, HIGHER COSTS OF LIVING AND A LOWER STANDARD! He should have LET GM and Chrysler BANKRUPT and restructure under federal bankruptcy laws–union contracts that had driven overhead and costs of both companies to near BANKRUPTCY would’ve been VOID, renegotiating would’ve given both companies better control over company overhead and expenses, union benefits, restructure and streamline operations to make them more competitive. Don’t take my word for it, go to DebtClock.org watch the U.S. DEBT rise faster than the second hand on a clock–it’s $1.2 MILLION PER MINUTE IN NEW DEBT from the CORRUPT spending policies of this administration. $832 BILLION stimulus went to CRONIES, campaign contributors, supporters like Solyndra, Beacon Power, ENER1–other green companies that BANKRUPTED WITH OUR MONEY! He gave BILLIONS to foreign countries and companies like Fisker auto to build hybrid autos IN FINLAND. He gave $770 MILLION to muslim countries for MOSQUES and COMPUTERS! And guess what David? YOU get to pay MORE MONEY in taxes, costs of living to HELP PAY ALL THAT DEBT BACK.

      • Deerinwater

        “America had enjoyed 48 CONSECUTIVE months of growth in economy due to BUSH tax cuts to spur economic growth after the Clinton recession”

        Prove it! and I don’t think nickles and dimes count as substantial growth

        • shavager

          Go look it up for yourself you nattering nabob of negativism as Spiro Agnew would say. You CRY about Bush and GOP, under Bush’s FIRST income tax cut in 2001 the economy grew at 3.47 percent–from the Clinton recession cause by INCREASED income taxes to a high of 4.62% in 04–second highest level of growth behind REAGAN’S in 20th century. The economy maintained above 3% growth from ’03 to ’07– when Democrats had taken over Congress and began SPENDING AWAY. The DemocRAT mortgage collapse followed a recession started by rising gas prices–when UNLIKE OWEbumbler–Bush released OIL from the Stategic Petroleum Reserves to bring prices back down, but the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac mortgage BOMB created by the DemocRAT party under Carter and put on steroids by Clinton with NO downpayment, fluctuating interest rates, NO credit REQUIRED to low income, ILLEGALS CRASHED the markets in ’08 under DemocRAT CONTROLLED Congress.

      • truesoy

        For your information, it was not the Bush tax cut for the rich that spurred the economy. It was rather an incompetent administration that so recklessly deregulated the banking system that created the short lived ‘houses in wonderland’, and then the house of cards came tumbling down.
        This was a period of republican ideas that saw a ‘free’ market for profits, but with ‘socialized’ loses.
        And these are the facts.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

        • shavager

          IF ya’ll think OWEbumbler, Godfather of DEBT and SPENDING, LYIN’ KING of Welfare and Foodstamps, is so “transparent” and great, tell America WHY: is his college transcripts, Harvard thesis, student loans, Harvard Law Revies articles, passport, medical records, Illinois Senate records, community organizer activities for ACORN, Illinois bar registration, social security records been BLOCKED by executive order?? WHY did he finally produce a “birth certificate” that has been investigated by computer experts and declared a FRAUD? WHAT is he HIDING FROM AMERICA that he’s spent nearly $2 MILLION dollars through the Perkins, Cole law firm of Seattle, Washington to HIDE?? His “transformation” of America is based on COLLAPSING our economy and financial system UNDER HUGE WELFARE DEBT and SPENDING–he’s systematically STEALING OUR MONEY and redistributing it to foreign countries, muslim organization, and BANKRUPTING AMERICA. Liberalism/progressivism/communism/socialism is ALL basically ONE and the same, it is a TERMINAL DISEASE that INFECTS America, the CARRIERS are people like OWEbumbler, Pelosi, Reid, George Soros and DemocRAT party, as well as Lugar, Collins, Snowe, McCain–RINO’s of the GOP. The CURE is CONSERVATISM from Tea Party, conservative GOP members and Independents who will SHOW UP HUGE to give America a well needed DOSE of CONSERVATISM in November to help KILL THE CANCER that infects America at DC and state levels across America.

          • truesoy

            The way you make it sound, Obama mus be a “Genius” for being capable of doing all that you sai and to get away with it. And if that’s the case he should be re-elected , not just for another merely 4 years, but for 10, and we should do it before he changes his mind.
            But if on the other hand he didn’t do none of that and yet there are people that still believe it, then we are in worse shape as a nation than previously thought for we then are being overrun by idiots, in which case we’ll have no other alternative than to give Obama another 4 years.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            YOUR president used Executive order to HIDE HIS PERSONAL RECORDS, no other president in my lifetime has done anything like this. YOU can’t get any info, Congress can’t, but the NEXT president can issue an executive order reversing it–if that’s the kind of president YOU want–one who won’t tell YOU the truth after promising to be the “most transparent” administration of all–YOU can take his backroom deals and bribes to pass healthcare, obstruction of Fast and Furious investigation, his apologies to foreign leaders because he hates what America stands for–and immigrate to Chavez’s Venezuela or Castro’s Cuba-those are two closest countries that reflect YOUR values and opinions of a president who said in August 21, 2010: The only people who DON’T WANT TO DISCLOSE THE TRUTH are PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING TO HIDE.”–BaROKE OWEbumbler YOUR master and manipulator of the marching marxist zombie ZEROES.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Watch out shavager, truesoy will give up on you like he did on me. I think he hears voices from on high.

          • Nanna Gail

            truesoy: I don’t want to get embroiled in your on going arguments with “deer”, but actually, obama did do all of those things. If you go in and read all the executive orders he has signed, you will learn a lot. As for wanting him in OUR White House, for another ten (10) years. I personally don’t want him in it for another ten (10) SECONDS.

      • Deerinwater

        Well, that is not exactly true shavager ~ not ever half true the way you worded it, while there is some grains of truth in it.

        http://visiontoamerica.org/4599/democrats-introduce-legislation-to-seal-obamas-presidential-records/

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        What a bunch of hogwash deer.

        The Day After being sworn in, Barrack Hussein Obama made his First
        Executive Order #13489, the order is to hide his records!

        And since then he issued additional orders that keeps his records
        sealed unless permitted by Eric Holder and Homeland Security.

        Original, vault copy birth certificate: Not released (attorney’s fees
        are estimated to be up to about $2 MILLION now, instead of HI birth
        certificate fee of under $20 bucks)

        Certification of Live Birth: Released: Document Experts state it is a
        FORGERY
        Obama/Dunham marriage license: Not released (if one exists)

        Obama/Dunham divorce: Not released (discovered by independent
        investigators)

        Kindergarten records: Not released; School claims records are”LOST”

        Records lost (this is a big one — see here — read two frames)

        Soetoro/Dunham marriage license: Not released

        Soetoro adoption records: Not released

        Fransiskus Assisi School School application: Not released (discovered
        by independent investigators) .

        Punahou School records: Not released

        Soetoro/Dunham divorce: Not released (discovered by independent
        investigators)

        Selective Service Registration: Not released (Obtained via Freedom of
        information act request; received FORGERY?)

        Occidental College records: Not released

        Passport: Not released, records scrubbed by Obama’s terrorism and
        intelligence adviser.

        Columbia College records: Not released

        Columbia thesis; “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament”; Not released

        But an anti-war plan to disarm America article written by Obama was
        found;
        http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitzesq/documentation/obamaantimilitar

        Harvard College records: Not released

        Harvard Law Review articles: None

        Illinois Bar Records: Not released

        Illinois Driver’s License Record: Not released

        Baptism certificate: None

        Medical records: Not released

        Illinois State Senate records: None

        Illinois State Senate schedule: UH…, “LOST”

        Law practice client list — Not released

        University of Chicago scholarly articles: None
        The Day After being sworn in, Barrack Hussein Obama made his First
        Executive Order #13489, the order is to hide his records! The biased
        ‘mainstream’ Media did not report on it of course!

        So much for that “transparency” he promised… now, Is this the act of a person who is hiding something? You decide.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        In 2007, unemployment entered a steady climb, without a decline, until well after Obama became President.

        In 2005, the new housing market started collapsing.

        There were a lot of other things happening, in addition, but Bush still claimed that our economy was sound. When it was very apparent that it wasn’t.

        McCain, just days before the almost bank collapse, said that the economy was sound. He, also, said that the economy was not his strong suit.

        • shavager

          tigeer, do you know what happens when gas prices skyrocket or govt spends TOO MUCH and TAXES TOO MUCH? Recessions–check out Carter’s term when gas prices sunk U.S. economy or Clinton’s second term when HE hiked income taxes. Bush was elected during RECESSION from Clinton, the first year of a president’s term is with BUDGET from previous presidency. Bush CUT INCOME TAXES in ’01 just like Reagan did to spur economic growth, CUT BUSINESS TAXES IN ’03; from ’02 to beginning of ’07 economy jumped to as high as 4.62 GROWTH–second HIGHEST GROWTH behind Reagan’s in 20th century. Economic slowdown started with skyrocketing gas prices at end of Bush’s second term, at least Bush released OIL from the Strategic Oil Reserve to combat rising prices and OPEC control. The collapse of FannieMae and FreddieMac came 5 YEARS AFTER BUSH proposed REFORMS for both agencies and DemocRATS in Congress BLOCKED and warnings from Bush in ’06 and ’07 that DemocRATS REFUSED to acknowledge. Chris Dodd-(D) Senate Banking Committee and Barney Frank-(D) House Financial Services Chairman BOTH LIED about fiscal condition of both agencies before they both collapsed under subprime mortgages that defaulted because of fluctuating interest rates. THAT’S FACTS. It cost DemocRAT CEO Franklin Raines and CFO Tim Howard of Fannie their JOBS, Daniel Mudd and Roger Syron of Freddie were FIRED and charged with fraud by SEC–ALL GOT MILLIONS IN PAYOFFS from taxpayers: Raines-$240 MILLION, Howard-$20 MILLION, Mudd-$9.3 MILLION, Syron-$14.1 MILLION for running these agencies in the ground under DemocRAT controls. There were a lot of spending bills Bush SHOULD’VE VETOED, but the mortgage collapse WAS A DemocRAT BABY–they created it, put it into effect, empowered it to collapse with NEW policies during Clinton administration and the MONSTER that the Frank(enstein’s) in DC created crashed in ’08.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      David Hawkins, It remains to be seen where Obama’s policies will finally land us? My opinion is that anything good that has happen while Obama sits in the hot seat may be due to momentum from the pres before and not him. As to gay rights. They got them alright and this commie pres is going to put his blessings on same sex marriages. Can anybody say Sodom and Gomorrah?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Sodom and Gomorrah! Btw Katrael, have you as of yet, read the “Pink Swastika”?

        http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          No I haven’t Jay, but I do thank you for the information and I’m going to the link now.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Jay , I just started to read the “Pink Swastika” and I even went to the homepage of NAMBLA. It’s amazing that NAMBLA openly exists but they do. No wonder that Nazi Germany was defeated: it was a homosexual cesspool not to mention one of the most brutal governments of it’s time with the exceptions being Communist Russia and China who were far more brutal than Germany.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        It was made very clear in the Old Testement, that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of in-hospitality. That people have chosen to read homosexuality into it simply means, that they don’t take the Bible quite as literally as they claim.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          tlgeer, you said, “It was made very clear in the Old Testement, that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of in-hospitality. That people have chosen to read homosexuality into it simply means, that they don’t take the Bible quite as literally as they claim.” Please show me where it says Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of “in-hospitality” as I’ve never that before. Here are some quotes out of the KJV version along with a few definitions of the Hebrew words that the KJV were translated from. The definitions will be from Strong’s Concordance or Brown Drivers Briggs Hebrew and English lexicon(BDB).

          Gen 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wickedH7451 and sinnersH2400 before YHWH exceedingly.

          H7451
          רעה רע
          ra‛ râ‛âh
          rah, raw-aw’
          From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: – adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra’ah; as adjective or noun.]

          H2400
          חטּא
          chaṭṭâ’
          khat-taw’
          Intensive from H2398; a criminal, or one accounted guilty: – offender, sinful, sinner.

          Gen 18:20 And YHWH said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

          Gen_18:26 And YHWH said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

          Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
          Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may knowH3045 them.
          Gen 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
          Gen 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
          Gen 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not knownH3045 man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof

          H3045
          ידע
          yâda‛
          yaw-dah’
          A primitive root; to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively instruction, designation, punishment, etc.): – acknowledge, acquaintance (-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, [un-] awares, can [-not], certainly, for a certainty, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be [ig-] norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to, let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have [knowledge], (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have [understanding], X will be, wist, wit, wot.
          Strong’s Concordance

          H3045

          H3045 From BDB: Gen 19:5 of sodomy

          I think it’s safe to say that Sodom and Gomorrah weren’t destroy because the people there were just in-hospitable. Now, if you can show some proof of what you claim I’m willing to change my mind.

        • vieteravet

          You obviously know nothing about the Bible, what are you a memeber of Rev. Wrights church? The story has to do with promiscuity, and sexual devience!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000942679842 Jim Vaughn

    I still find it hard to believe how fast this country forgets historic events. Less than a year into Bush’s Presidency a thing called the WORLD TRADE CENTER was leveled when our country was attacked. It wasn’t the people that worked there or their families that were targetted, it was the world’s commerce. How many projects do you think were never completed that would have enhanced the economies of the Americas and Europe. We can’t blame Bush or Clinton or even entirely Obama for the mess the economy is in. The Terrorists were successful and got a leader into a high ranking position in our country as they boasted they would.

    • Deerinwater

      No they didn’t Jimmy and I’m hurt you feel that way. But I refuse to react to your “thoughts”, accepting the fact that you are entitled to be wrong.

      But who does it serve for you to believe such things?

      • Nanna Gail

        Deerinwater: I think you got waterlogged. Jim has got it exactly right. They got obumbler into aour HIGHEST government position. By lying cheating and ignoring everything “We the People” tried to tell them. All I can say is, the black community were so eager to have a black president, they didn’t do any research and got horn swoggled because of it. It isn’t reallt the fault of the black community, but, that is just how it happened.

        • Deerinwater

          Well, you are entitled to your thoughts Ms. Gale, I just happen to not agree with them. Call me wet if you wish.

          You are suggesting a “they” and some diabolic demonic plan.

          Now I think it’s safe to say, we all know;

          “W” coattails were very short, he was asked to not come to the 98′ GOP Convention! The GOP was and still is in great disarray. Weaken by gaff, corruption, war profiteering, influence peddling, 9-11, major bank failures, and in general questionably leadership from the top down.

          McCain was awful! It wasn’t up until the last 2 weeks and only then did he get on message and stump as a senior statesman should. WHY? I don’t know! Listening to Karl Rove I suppose. Karl Rove was the one that was suppose to bring the winning plans and his dog must have ate them.

          Obama ate McCain’s lunch! ~ It’s no more complicated then that. McCain lost, Obama won.

          And it looks like he’s going to win again. It had nothing to do with Obama being of mixed race or sired by a Muslim or being raised by his parents in a grass hooch and eating dogs, but in spite of all those things! This is America! This rise to greatness is made possible only in our country without force. ~ well that not true, there is a few nations today that make it possible but not many.

          All this right-wing fodder you read and have hear since day one is to feed racist doubtful minds and it works! It works well, that’s exactly why they do it. If it didn’t work, they would not do it. The GOP and their pundits WANT YOU TO BELIEVE they are fighting a war for the minds of American and for freedom itself. They don’t want you to vote for ANY democrat ~ PERIOD! The more crap they can make up, the more they can throw. Again , it’s not complicated.

          The rest of us look on in bewildered amusement wondering what would happen if they lost more then just a general election.

          There is people in your circles promising civil revolt if the outcome of the next election process does not please them! Does that sound like any free nation you are familiar with?

          Then GOP will get their time in the sun, they have dominated the political landscape for the last 35 year. But at this moment, they are their worst enemy and not ready for prime time. I know that is hard to accept but you must until which time they can garner the votes to win a General election. Is This the American way?

          • shavager

            The problem with your statement is ALL GOP members are NOT marching in tune with establishment leaders called RINO’s because they are Repub In Name Only like McCain, Romney, Snowe, Lindsey Graham, Murkowski, NOW voted out Lugar and former Senator Bob Bennett of Utah. Conservatives and Tea Party members are Constitutional, limited govt., low taxes advocates who want govt. REDUCED in size, overhead,employees and agencies. The DemocRAT party is ALL ONE AND SAME–OWNED by Communists through minions of George Soros put in office while conservative democrats have been PURGED FROM THE PARTY–IT IS NOW ONE LARGE BODY OF COMMUNIST/SOCIALISTS–look around the world–the USSR collapsed under Communism because govt spending, overhead, control BROKE THAT NATION. South Korea flourishes while communist N.Korea is starving and BROKE. Cuba’s infrastructure and country is BROKE, Cambodia MURDERED MILLIONS under Communist govt, the only African nation that was a beacon of prosperity was South Africa before the African National Congress instituted Communism after taking control under Mandela–it struggles now under communist rule. OWEbumbler tried the FDR method–govt takeover of economy because he wants CONTROL–FDR did too and he got limitations on presidential terms and still tried to stack the Supreme Court to enable his takeover of control–U.S. got 10 years of depression from all of FDR’s big govt. spending and DEBT. Economists are predicting now that the U.S could be years away from real economic growth and prosperity because of the enormous DEBT–$6 TRILLION in just 3 YEARS this administration has added with $4.2 BILLION PER MONTH in spending while taking in only $3 BILLION in revenues. NO government in the history of the WORLD has spent itself INTO PROSPERITY, govt DOES NOT create JOBS except IN GOVERNMENT.

  • chuckb

    everybody points the finger of racism at their opponents, barry soetoro is the biggest racist of them all, he hates white people. the do gooders and bleeding hearts elected this man and now are faced with a dilemma, i’m sure part of them now know their mistake, part still agree and most all blacks don’t care, he’s one of them and they don’t care what he stands for.
    now barry and company are baiting the republicans with stories on romney, this not only removes barry from scrutiny, it gives the bolsheviks more time to dig up more dirt on their opponent. the republ;icans are noted for their defensive posture, just say anything about them and they will spend weeks, months or whatever to try and prove their innocence, in fact they will blow their campaign trying to dislodge any accusation, whether it’s true or not.
    why doesn’t the gop uncover some of the past records on barry? his connection with farrakhan, who is a friend of jeremy wright and his mentor bill ayers, they should have enough dirt there to cover three elections. “talk about racists”
    check out barrys father, (so called) is barry a naturalized citizen? prove it, force him to reveal his school records. no, the repub’s don’t have any guts, people may get mad at them by these kind of actions and they may be called racists.
    there’s the difference, turn the tables around and say barry was the republican president with no record, barry wouldn’t be sitting in the white house.
    it’s hard to say what the bolsheviks will do to hold on to their power structure, if the election looks like it is going bad they could even divert to a race war, it seems like the msm is trying to stir up racial problems by their biased reporting.

    we should be on guard, these unscrupulous people in the whe are not going to go easy.

    • Deerinwater

      “everybody points the finger of racism at their opponents, barry soetoro is the biggest racist of them all, he hates white people. the do gooders and bleeding hearts elected this man and now are faced with a dilemma, ”

      Well Chuck, it seem that you have passed judgement on just about everyone but McCain voters and yourself in a single phrase.

      • chuckb

        that’s what you call bundling. and why would i condemn myself? mccain is one of the wimpy repubs, remember, he refused to let palin speak out and surely controlled his own rhetoric.

        • Deerinwater

          LOL! “bundling” ~ okay? I guess it is. Just wrap all those loose ends up in a nice single package and give it a single label. ~ keep things simple!

          I think that is how the baby got throw out with the bath water but what’s a baby or two?

          There is a time and place for “Bundling” I suppose. Keeps it simple where everyone can understand it.

          I think that maybe you might enjoy some moose meat chili , yummy!

    • shavager

      Judicial Watch, a non partison legal firm is SUING OWEbumbler for information just as they did against W. Bush on issues. BUT EXECUTIVE ORDERS BY OWEbumbler is BLOCKING ANY INFORMATION wanted by Americans–NOT JUST GOP, CONSERVATIVES OR INDEPENDENTS–YOU can’t get any info on him either. He’s using Perkins, Cole law firm of Seattle, Washington to fight ANY EXPOSURE OF HIS PERSONAL RECORDS! YOU can’t investigate if THEY WON’T RELEASE THE RECORDS. But don’t worry, bubba, when he’s finished with YOU, you’ll be just as bad off as the rest of America. We are on VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY. IMF, World Bank, China, Russia, India, Iran ALL WANT NEW WORLD RESERVE CURRENCY. The DAY a new currency is installed, America’s DOLLAR CRASHES, the Federal Reserve CLOSES it’s doors, and our “paper” dollars–NOTES OF CREDIT-NOT REAL MONEY–become WORTHLESS, period. OUR debt is so bad our Triple A credit has been downgraded by TWO credit agencies, it threatens to collapse our economy with its UNSTABILITY–YOU could be looking at $6-7 gallon of gas, $5-12 for a loaf of bread or even more for milk should the dollar be replaced. Feds are HOLDING DOWN inflation by printing money to operate at same time keeping interest rates DOWN and then Fed Reserve BUYING UP our DEBT–at some point SOON, if the DEBT ISN’T DEALT WITH and SPENDING STOPPED, international banks will REFUSE dollars–China, Russia now trading in their OWN currency–refusing to accept OUR dollars, one large financial institution in Mexico REFUSES to accept U.S. dollar deposits, gold is going up BECAUSE OUR DOLLAR IS GOING DOWN!! Four more for OWEbumbler means END OF AMERICA!

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      Obama was born here, which means that he is a natural born citizen. You don’t have to like it, but your opinion doesn’t change it.

      As for everything else, blah blah blah. The fact that Obama knows those people has been known for a long time. In 2008, people against Obama attempted, strongly, to intimate that because Obama knows them, he has the same beliefs, which is patently ridiculous. Those of us who voted for Obama looked at the accusations and decided they weren’t worth our time. They were made out of straw.

      The GOP next door doesn’t make me a GOP, even though we are friendly. The suspected drug dealer down the street doesn’t make me a drug dealer, although we are friendly. The woman who had an affair doesn’t make me an adulterer even though we had children on the same baseball team.

      • shavager

        IF he was born in Hawaii he is NATIVE born–born on U.S. soil to parent of foreign citizenship. Under U.S. federal law when OWEbumbler was born–he could receive U.S. citizenship from his mother PROVIDED she was at least 14 and an American citizen and resident of the U.S. for 5 CONSECUTIVE YEARS before his birth–SHE WAS NOT–being 18 and a resident of a foreign country (Kenya) before his birth. Natural born REQUIRES TWO CITIZEN PARENTS–OWEbumbler senior was an adulterous drunk who was a British citizen under British colonial rule over Kenya and NEVER a citizen of the U.S.

        • Jeff

          Please stop the idiotic nonsense. Here is what the Constitution actually says about the Presidency in Article 2:

          “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

          Notice that “natural born citizen” is not defined. Your hangup on who his parents were is just that – your hang-up. The 14th amendment, the one the Repubs now want to eliminate from history, says the following:

          “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

          Maybe it should say that to be president your ancestors must be from whatever part of Transylvania you hail from. But it doesn’t. It’s like the Bible. Some people like to quote it for whatever proposition seems convenient at the time. The term “unconstitutional” is the new “communist,” an all-inclusive slur of anyone or anything you reflexively dislike – like “jerk.”

          • shavager

            Jeff, the 14th Amendment DOES NOT say “natural born”, any child born under description of 14th Amendment is a NATIVE born child–does NOT require that child’s parents to be citizens–the child must be BORN ON U.S. SOIL. Naturalized citizens are people who RECEIVE citizenship through federal immigration and citizenship rules. I repeat the Supreme Court Chief Justice Morris Waite defined “natural born” as person born to TWO CITIZEN parents in 1875 voting rights case: Minor vs. Happersett. It’s based on same philosophy Founding Fathers had that no president should be eligible is he or she had DUAL LOYALTIES to another country–OWEbumbler’s father was a Kenyan born British citizen at time of OWEbumbler’s birth, federal law that gave citizenship from mother to child at time of his birth REQUIRED her to have been 19 years old and a resident of the U.S. for 5 CONSECUTIVE YEARS–she was NOT, she was living in Kenya.

        • truesoy

          shavager;

          Please, do not embarras yourself anymore than you already have!..
          Write this down, for whenever you might need it to know:
          ‘a person born in the United States is a natural born citizen of the United States’., regardless of the parent’s nationality. Besides, Obama’s mom was a natural born citizen of the U.S., reagrdless of where she lived at any given time.
          And one more question.: are you an american?
          if yes, then read the Constitution, as a good american should.There you will learn about ‘natural born citizens.

          Ps.- John McCain was born in Panama to an american military member, although it is questioned by some whether it was in the Canal Zone that will make him a natural born citizen, or at a hospiital in Colon, in which case it will not make him a natural born citizen.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

        • truesoy

          shavager.,

          Please, do not embarras yourself anymore than you already have!..
          Write this down, for whenever you might need it to know:
          ‘a person born in the United States is a natural born citizen of the United States’., regardless of the parent’s nationality. Besides, Obama’s mom was a natural born citizen of the U.S., reagrdless of where she lived at any given time.
          And one more question.: are you an american?
          if yes, then read the Constitution, as a good american should.There you will learn about ‘natural born citizens.

          Ps.- John McCain was born in Panama to an american military member, although it is questioned by some whether it was in the Canal Zone that will make him a natural born citizen, or at a hospiital in Colon, in which case it will not make him a natural born citizen.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy …………..
          ……………………………………….

          • shavager

            Minor vs. Happersett, voting rights case, SUPREME COURT Chief Justice Morris Waite defined “natural born” as born to TWO CITIZENS. ONLY a sitting Supreme Court or Amendment to the Constitution can change a BINDING PRECEDENT from the U.S. Supreme Court–it has NEVER happened. From ’03 to ’08 Congress tried to CHANGE natural born designation for the Constitution–FAILED–they will need 38 states to pass legislation to change Constitution with Amendment or Supreme Court OVERTURN Waite’s ruling. ALL children born in the U.S. to two citizen parents are NATURAL BORN, if those parents aren’t citizens–that child is a NATIVE born American. Founding Fathers used Emerich de Vattel’s Laws of Nations as basis for establishing Constitutional principles for our Govt, Jefferson, Hamilton, John Jay, Madison, Samuel Adams all referred to Vattel’s rules and Vattel wrote in Book 1, Chapter 19 “natural born” were born to citizen parents. Founding Fathers SPECIFICALLY DID NOT WANT CITIZENSHIP HANDED DOWN FROM FATHERS who were NOT CITIZENS. Federal citizenship laws in U.S. at time of OWEbumbler’s birth REQUIRED his mother to be 19, a U.S. citizen and 5 CONSECUTIVE YEARS A RESIDENT OF THE U.S.–she WAS 18, and a resident of KENYA.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, your whole comment was good but I thought I’d put this part back up there, “Founding Fathers used Emerich de Vattel’s Laws of Nations as basis for establishing Constitutional principles for our Govt, Jefferson, Hamilton, John Jay, Madison, Samuel Adams all referred to Vattel’s rules and Vattel wrote in Book 1, Chapter 19 “natural born” were born to citizen parents. Founding Fathers SPECIFICALLY DID NOT WANT CITIZENSHIP HANDED DOWN FROM FATHERS who were NOT CITIZENS. Federal citizenship laws in U.S. at time of OWEbumbler’s birth REQUIRED his mother to be 19, a U.S. citizen and 5 CONSECUTIVE YEARS A RESIDENT OF THE U.S.–she WAS 18, and a resident of KENYA.”

            The likes of truesoy and deerinwater won’t read this even if the could.

          • truesoy

            shavager,
            Read 14th amendment, section 1 of the Constitution. If you have not read it before, but if you have read it before, then read it again, please.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            Truesoy, the 14th Amendment was passed SPECIFICALLY to give citizenship to children of SLAVES freed with Emancipation Proclamation. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED to give citizenship to “anchor” babies of ILLEGALS who cross the border to have children in U.S. and gain access to free U.S. medical attention at hospitals or welfare, child benefits paid for by American TAXPAYERS. On Mexican border, ILLEGALS wait for delivery time to arrive and then use taxicabs or ambulances to cross border to access California hospitals to have “anchor” babies–YOU wonder why 51 Californian hospitals have CLOSED because of HUGE medical expenses from ILLEGALS–$10.2 BILLION PER YEAR. We now have “anchor” baby services operating in U.S. offering to fly pregnant mothers into U.S. to have children and access TAXPAYER DOLLARS–IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FOR AMERICA?? That’s why I support legislation offered up to change the Amendment.

          • shavager

            P.S.–John McCain WAS born in the Panama Canal zone on a U.S. MILITARY BASE–U.S. TERRITORY. So attested to and signed into law in Congress in ’08 INCLUDING OWEbumbler’s signature–he wouldn’t have dared dispute McCain’s eligibility, DemocRATS were hiding his at the time.

          • truesoy

            …and Obama was born in the State of Hawaii, not a territory, but a State of the Union.
            I believe you proved my point.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            truesoy, Both McCain’s parents were U.S. citizens. I RESPECT Constitutional principles, Founding Father’s SPECIFICALLY DID NOT WANT candidates for president WHOSE fathers weren’t American citizens–that’s why they specified “natural born”–born to TWO CITIZEN PARENTS. I believe in the Constitution meaning what the founding fathers intended–don’t care if it was OWEbumbler, W. Bush, Reagan, Clinton or Nixon. For that same reason I DISAGREE WITH GOP ATTEMPTS TO QUALIFY Bobby Jindal of Louisianna or Marco Rubio of Fla. for VP pick–VP MUST meet same eligibility requirements as the president–see Amendment 12. Neither Jindal or Rubio meet “natural born” status since both were born in U.S. to parents that were NOT American citizens, hence they are “native” born Americans.

  • wth44

    We need to vote on what he has accomplished as President. His skin color has nothing to do with how large the deficit is or what the rate of unemployment is or that he spent billions if not trillions to bailout various organizations. His skin color is NOT going to save this country, the decisions he makes as President are… If I am unable to pay my bills and unable to afford decent food or be able to put gas in my car to go to work, I am not going to say it is because Obama is black… I am going to say it is because of the choices he made that has caused inflation; thereby causing me the inability to afford everything I was able to afford before he took office.

  • wth44

    Lets not forget “Operation Fast and Furious”… Eric Holder still has his job (swept that one under the rug)… Ben Bernanke is still in charge of the Fed… apparently the law does not apply to “those in charge.”

  • DaveH
  • GG

    I’m not white and I despise Obama AND his policies…they are one and the same. Blacks who vote for Obama have visors on and refuse to objectively evaluate Obama’s agenda to destroy our nation.

    • Deerinwater

      Well,I voted him in spite of his candy cane appearance because MC Cain couldn’t get his act together and I had no choice in the matter. I’ve not regretted in my decision to date.

      It was clearly a black or white decision only in that regard.

      I fail to see how a man running for president in Oct of 08 could tell us that the American economy was fundamentally sound would be deserving the title of President. This told me, Mc Cain was a big part of Americas problems and there was a serious disconnect between him and the average American on that day. There was nothing fundamentally sound about the average Americans economy and the forecast appeared only darker.

      Come hell or high water, I feel my decision was made on solid ground and rooted in the realities of the day. As much as I despised his name, Obama was the better presidential material of the two for two reasons. He had opposed these wars with no end game offered and he showed us that he was connected and understood the plight of the average American that worked, payed taxes and raised a family in demanding times.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        deer says: As much as I despised his name, Obama was the better presidential material of the two for two reasons. He had opposed these wars with no end game offered and he showed us that he was connected and understood the plight of the average American that worked, payed taxes and raised a family in demanding times.

        Boy, he sure fooled you; didn’t he, deer?

      • Deerinwater

        not at all Jay, ~ He done what he said he’d do and more. In spite of all the resistance.

        You are systematically ignoring all the many accomplishment in an attempt to hide their very existence. Nice try ~ but it’s not working very well.

        Ended hidden fees & unfair penalties for credit cards
        Passed some notion of Wall Street reform
        Doubled investments in Scholarship and financial Expanded Health Care coverage to 32 million Americans aid
        Brought Oil Imports to the lowest level in 16 years
        supported nearly 300,000 in Education
        Added in excess of 3.9 Million private sector jobs since taking office
        Cut Taxes for all working Americans
        24 Straight months of Job Growth in the private sector alone
        US Auto Industry is back on top
        Cut taxes for Small business 18 times
        Ended major American war activities in Iraq
        Medical Insurance can’t drop you when you get sick any more

        shall I continue? compared to the way things were in 2006 , 7 and 8 things are good, on the up swing and getting better.

        10 Quarters of straight Economic growth
        Fixed more the 9,000 bridges, road and highways
        Increased the national GDP 2.9 %
        Saved and or hired 650,000 firemen, teachers and police officers.
        Improved our standing in the national community, ~ I know you don’t care but I do.
        Young Adult students can now get medical insurance coverage, via family policy’s.
        Sexual orientate no long restricts Constitution freedoms

        That just a few achievements off hand, you want some more?

        Bush was credited with keeping our nation safe after 9-11, I suppose Obama deserves the same credit.

        • shavager

          OWEbumbler TOOK OVER Chrysler and GM–they are owned by federal govt with BILLIONS OF UNRECOUPED bailout dollars–he violated federal bankruptcy laws by giving union workers MORE stake in control than the stockholders who had most losses from the bankruptcy. His healthcare plan will be ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL–it will BANKRUPT states will estimated $10 TRILLION in costs over ten year period–it was NOT about providing affordable healthcare–it was about TAKING OVER the healtcare industry with intent to establish a govt controlled single payer progam. HE HAS ZERO NET JOBS IN FOUR YEARS–YOUR claims of all those JOBS are simply FALSE–2 MILLION Americans LOST JOBS AFTER THE STIMULUS BILL PASSED–as of now he has not seen an increase in private sector JOBS that surpass the number LOST. The current jobs created in April of 150,000 is offset by 300,000+ workers that were NO LONGER COUNTED in April because they exhausted unemployment benefits and are NO LONGER COUNTED–there are estimated 88 MILLION unemployed or underemployed in U.S. currently–we are headed for MORE JOB LOSSES, not improved numbers. He potentially KILLED estimated 20,000+ jobs by obstructing Keystone pipeline, he has signed nearly 670 NEW business regulations that are costing businesses $10 BILLION PER MONTH in NEW TAXES/COSTS–killing any business expansions, job growth. Do you know why credit is tight and loans are more restricted? Federal Reserve does NOT want more money going into economy from banks–MORE MONEY WILL CREATE INFLATION FROM ALL THE INCREASED DOLLARS PRINTED to operate federal govt, and it will DRIVE UP PRICES, COSTS OF FOOD, INFLATION WILL MAKE IMMEDIATE JUMP and economy will DROP LIKE A ROCK–that will DOOM HIS RE-ELECTION. OWEbumbler is using WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION for “social justice” he thinks is lacking in federal Constitution giving govt the right to Karl Marx ideology of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”. His economic policies have downgraded U.S. credit rating by two agencies because of UNSTABILITY OF OUR DEBT. What does it take for you people to understand OUR DEBT is MORE THAN ALL THE MONEY OWNED BY Americans, from Bill Gates and Warren Buffet to the homeless on the street–if REDUCTION is NOT IMMEDIATELY addressed–we could see the U.S. dollar DISSOLVED as the world currency leading to CLOSING the doors on banks and Federal Reserve–our “paper dollars” are NOT MONEY–they are NOTES of credit from the Federal Reserve–soon to be as useless as old Confederate money because they will have NO VALUE–that’s why gold and silver are increasing in value and costs–they have REAL VALUE, not paper “credit notes” put into circulation by Fed Reserve.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, it’s a sin and a shame that anybody in this country should go hungry and there are those who really can’t help it but if an able bodied man or woman goes hungry in this country it’s because they don’t work. What’s this got to do with your subject?

            Basic math and finances will never be trumped by numerical manipulations. I was taught and learned the hard way that 1-2= -1. If an individual or a group of individuals continues to spend more than it takes in then the final result is bankruptcy. I believe that this is what so many liberals don’t understand they only want to keep crying that the rich need to support the poor. Paying people to sit at home and do nothing but consume is insanity. People who are able to work and don’t are a drain on the economy. What’s the solution? People need to go to work doing something and it’s not always going to be for money.

            I will say that the Roosevelt era social programs had more wrong with them than they had correct but at least it put people to work building roads, bridges and other necessities. The problem that people have with just chipping in for a meal and a cot is that it’s below their dignity. The question is: what will happen when the government can’t pay the producers for the things that all of these idle people consume? Will the producers then go broke and have to go on government handouts as well?

          • shavager

            The purpose of the comment was to dispute FALSE claims about OWEbumbler’s so called “accomplishments” posted by Deerinwater–Chrysler and GM are NO where near profitable–they are both BILLIONS of unrepaid dollars IN DEBT to federal govt and TAXPAYERS. For a nation that has annual GDP of $14-15 TRILLION–we have a national DEBT of $15.7+ TRILLION IN RISING DEBT–that’s a negative estimate of $1 TRILLION IN ADDITIONAL DEBT that interest rates owed on continue to escalate, estimates from CBO and Wall Street Journal are that OWEbumbler’s spending policies will create a 10 year span of TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS. Don’t take my word, go to DebtClock.org–just watch the DEBT rise FASTER THAN SECOND HAND TICKS OF A CLOCK on the DEBT level. The danger of his policies is MORE DEBT PILED ON, potential for international banks, IMF, World Bank to DISSOLVE the U.S. dollar because it is TOO UNSTABLE and DEBT TOO HIGH. He’s accomplished ONLY MORE DEBT–so called new regulations on Wall Street did NOT keep officials at HSBC Bank in New York from MONEY LAUNDERING MILLIONS of bank dollars that have FBI, Securities officials searching for or the $2 BILLION in losses from JPMorgan bank just in last week–what those regulations DID was restrict business opportunities and JOB GROWTH with more burdens–estimated $10 BILLION PER MONTH in new taxes/regulations dragging down business growth. He has NOT PASSED ANY TAX CUTS FOR ANYBODY–he extended Bush TAX CUTS–even as he denigrated those same cuts, his economic growth IS LESS THAN ANY PERIOD UNDER BUSH, excepting the months immediately after 911 and AFTER the DemocRAT controlled mortgage collapse from Fannie and Feddie. And those JOB numbers? There are more people dropping FROM unemployment list through loss of benefits than have been JOBS ADDED. OWEbumbler’s Labor Dept. is DECEIVING America about actual UNEMPLOYED by HIDING unemployed numbers of workers who NO LONGER receive benefits but ARE NOT WORKING by simply DEDUCTING them from unemployed worker numbers. OWEbumbler attended conferences with Frances Fox Piven where strategy to collapse our capitalist system was based on expanding HUGE WELFARE DEBT–he has done an EXCELLENT JOB of nearly collapsing America in bankruptcy expanding WELFARE AND FOODSTAMPS TO HIGHEST LEVEL IN U.S. HISTORY.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            shavager, I’ve heard that estimate of a trillion a year for ten year but actually it sounds low to me. I see a time of hyperinflation coming if nothing is done now to stop it and those deficits will only escalate with the rising inflation rate. The tax system sounds like an improvement however, it’s a little scary. Will there be a mechanism so the people will know the actual amount of tax levied? I like the idea of no income tax and as I said I also like the idea of a tax that is somehow coupled to the goods we buy. The only other tax that needs to go away are property taxes. Thank you for your synopsis.

          • truesoy

            Shavager,
            As expected you won’t ever disappoint anyone who thinks you are a mixed box of mislabeled nuts.
            I don’t really know where to start, but I think starting on the regulations will suffice for now.

            1) The banks have always been heavely regulated until one day during the 1980′s when republicans pushed for de-regulation and got it. The democrats too got in the banwagon, though.
            There was a time when regulations prohibited banks from crossing state lines for domestic banking. There was a reason for that; it stops then from becoming a monopoly.
            Now you have a situation where two banks, Bank of America and Wellsfargo combined controlled over 50% of the market, and that is not good for the consumer. Eventually, if no regulations are put in place a few institutions will be transformed into the ‘Great White’ in their market and not only devour competition, but as a result the free market could be mortally wounded.
            There was a time when Insurance companies were not allowed to do banking, and Banks were not allowwd to do insurance, but now they are. Here comes AIG, a monstrous insurance/banking institutions that contributed to almost taking down the United States.
            Unregulated market is a train wreck waiting to happen, and represent a danger to to a government of the people by the people. That is why we always had regulated the market, to make sure no one ‘institution’ becomes the great white that will devours everything in sight, and eventually also devour itself.
            This is what happens in 3rd world countries; a few monopolies control everything, and their power is so unrival that even governments fall prey to them, hence the problems in LatinAmerica.
            I’m going to take you back a few years, before our times. By 1890 the Railroad had become a monopoly with untold powers, and though farmers benefited from the train, they also felt abused by it. In response the U.S. Congress passed the Sherman Antitrust Act, and thereafter in 1902 the federal government moved in, basically taking over the Union Pacific Railroad and breaking it up under the provisions of the Act.
            Imagine if the Obama administration was to do similar, then you’ll really say his a ‘commie’, wouldn’t you?
            Also under the Act, the Northern Securities Co. was broken up. And in 1911 the United States Government took over, basically nationalizing, Standard Oil of New Jersey. It broke it into five different companies including Exxon, and then stting them up on their own.
            I could only imagine what would say if Obama was to do that; oh yes, you’ll call him a commie, right?
            And then in 1914 the Clayton Antitrust Act was enacted. This act was to protect labor unions from the untitrust laws by prohibiting treating human labor as an article of commerce.
            Again, I could only imagine if Obama did this, what will you call him?. Oh yes, you’ll call him a commie, right?
            And you know what all those regulations did for our country? it made it more prosperous because it protected competition. It certainly did not make us a communist nation.
            To do the opposite will only foster ‘facism’.
            Shavager, enjoy your freedom, but know why you are free..
            I hope you’ll find this information useful

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t all banks part of the largest government sponsored banking monopoly of them all? It’s called the “Federal Reserve”. They all deal in “Federal Reserve Notes”. But, actually I am wrong with my premise that the Federal Reserve is government sponsored and in reality the Federal Reserve sponsors our government because they own it.

          • truesoy

            Yes, Katrael, the Federal Reserve Board controls our money supply, and in conjunction with the banks and their ever increasing power over our government, are fast becoming masters of our destiny.
            Because of this, a bank should not be considered a ‘private’ institution along the same lines as a manufacturing plant, therefore has to be regulated by the federal government..
            Sadly the government neglected its responsibilities to the people and instead allowed a few to take us down the path of financial ruins for the benefits of the financial institutions.
            The politicians behind ‘deregulation were mostly republicans, although many democrats eventually got in the bandwagon. And while telling us how this will bring about competition for the benefit of the ‘masses’ they were also working on taking over Social Security. I can almost imagine the size of the ‘bonuses’ for CEO’s and others. And not to forget political sontributions to politicians and other benefits for their families.
            The results on the other hand have been less competition in banking and insurance, and higher prices for the consumer. And while the profits are theirs due to the private nature of their business, the loses are ‘socialized’ as it was evident during the financial crises when banks and insurance companies went broke.
            For these reasons the Obama administration should be encouraged and supported in the quest tor brin back some of the regulations that were in place before.
            A free market without regulations will ceased to be free, eventually.
            Like I said before, we had many of those regulations in place before and the market prospered, and the nation prospered too, like no other nation has in recent history.

            Note: Alexander Hamilton was a proponent of a national bank, but this idea was rejected at the time; however looking at where we are today, it was probably not such a bad idea. And I said probably because we don’t know for sure..

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, I was following your comment about the Federal Reserve and the banking system fairly well until you got to the part about Obama. The reason? I see our government as one big group made up of mostly criminals who are controlled by their puppet masters the IMF who owns them lock stock and barrel. I don’t see Obama fixing anything because he’s doing the will of his masters. He’s for strengthening the central government and wants to force us to accept things we don’t want and that we can’t pay for like Obamacare and same sex marriages. I don’t see any president fixing anything who is a member of their entourage.

          • truesoy

            Katrael.,
            Must I remind you Obama platform also included healthcare reform, and had the people not wanted it they woudn’t have voted for him?
            A lie doesn’t ceased to be a lie because is repeated a thousand times over, but it seems to be working on some people, and that is why the republican keep repeating that Obama ‘rammed’ healthcare reform on americans. NO he didn’t. Americans wanted it,and that is why they voted for him. Although they would have prefer a ‘universal plan’ as it was first proposed.
            Don’t forget now, Obama ran for president on health care reform, and if in doubt, rewind back to the 2008 campaign and see it, and hear it for yourself. That’s why people like me voted for him, beside ending an stupid made up war at a cost of thousand of lives and a trillion dollars.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, I don’t care what the republicans say. I’m not a Republican, I’m conservative. I’m for small government. Obama is forcing his will on Americans. I’m an American and I don’t want his his health care reform crap that will make me subservient to him. I shouldn’t have to participate in a program I don’t believe in. Not everybody voted for Obama, only the people who want more wealth redistribution voted for him. Hope and Change. In other words they hope that the change will mean more in their pockets by forcing it out of someone else’s pocket. If this nation is now a democracy then it’s over for this nation except for taking the last step to fascism. Democracy rule = mob rule and tyranny of the many over the few. You can’t deny (well, you could, you seem to like double talk) that somehow the majority of the American people decided they’d like Obama’s promises and that it’s just too bad for those who don’t want his promises. Mob rule = tyrannical force.

            And nothing that you say will change my opinion that Obama is nothing more than a sell out stooge to the OWG.

          • truesoy

            Katrael
            do you know what wealth redistribution is? that is the tax system.
            The federal government takes in ‘tax’ money and redistribute it to the states, mostly to ‘Red States’, the most needy ones, that contributes the least, but opposes ‘redistribution the most.
            They are oblivious to where their ‘goodies’ come from.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            YOU need to get yourself educated on issues instead of the socialist pablum you’ve absorbed. FACT: DemocRAT blue states are the CHEAPEST in charitable contributions, while Red GOP states have highest level of charitable donations. FACT: on a $162,000 dollar Senate salary YOUR VP Biden averaged $300 a YEAR charity donations, when he ran for president he upped it to $1000 dollars even as W.Bush and Laura were giving 12-15 TIMES that amount. He is one of the cheapest money grubbers to serve in Congress or VP. Wealth redistribution is 50% of Americans PAYING NO INCOME TAX while the wealthy PAY 70% of ALL INCOME TAXES–those are DemocRAT policies. John Kerry is one of the richest members of Congress, yet he bought a yacht in different state and stores it there to AVOID PAYING HIS FAIR SHARE OF MASSACHUSETTS TAXES. DemocRATS want to PUNISH WEALTH AND SUCCESS–MONEY EARNED SHOULD BELONG TO THE EARNER, not selfish DC politicians and their minions of lazy, ambitionless zombies who vote for whichever DemocRAT promises them the MOST of other people’s money.

          • truesoy

            SHAVAGER;

            What part of ”red states” are the most conservative states.
            Red states are the most anti-tax crusaders but,
            Red States are the ones to benefit the most from the ‘re-distribution of wealth’,
            a) they receive the most from the federal government and
            b) they contribute the least because,
            c) their economy produces less, and
            for example, West Virginia receives $2.57 from the federal government per every dollar paid. Even Alaska with all that oil, is funded by the federal government $1.93 for every dollar paid.
            But of course, of course they don’t like the redistribution of wealth.
            Like I said earlier, the conservatives are oblivious to wha the ‘tax system is and what is designed to accomplish’.
            Their/your total ignorance is and/or should be of concern to all, but more so to the conservatives residing in red states, because at the end they’ll be the biggest losers.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            Truesoy, those states that PAY the most in Federal taxes to DC, usually get the MOST returns for infrastructure spending and highway funds BECAUSE they paid MORE. Entitlement PAYOUTS are based on population of citizens eligible, NOT who the state govt. legislatures are. Just like INCOME TAXES–those who PAY the MOST, get the MOST in CUTS OR RETURNS based on DOLLARS PAID IN. The “red states” vs “blue states” in charitable contributions are NOT my statistics–those are REPORTED STATISTICS FROM THE IRS charitable contribution reports. The WEALTHIEST in both Houses of Congress are DemocRATS, not GOP officials.

          • Jeff

            A klt of those contributions are to churches. When Mitt Romney tithes to the Mormon Church, the Church does some charitable things with the money. It also builds palaces to itself that look like Superman’s Fortress of Solitude. I’m not sure an organization that does that and overtly gets involved in political campaigns (Cal. Prop. 8) is entitled to a tax exemption. That’s the real 3rd rail in American politics.

          • shavager

            Then YOU should be concerned about OWEbumbler sending $770 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS to muslim countries using the State Dept to go around Congress to spend the money for MOSQUE REPAIRS AND COMPUTERS TO LINK THE MOSQUES with internet. Don’t take my word for it, it was exposed by WSB TV in Atlanta, Ga. earlier this year but YOU can’t get any coverage from OWEbumbler national news media.

          • shavager

            Majority of polls showed BEFORE and AFTER passage Americans DID NOT WANT OWEbumbler’s healthcare. HE LIED about it, BRIBED various Senators to get their votes and then gave WAIVERS to UNIONS, AARP and other OWEbumbler supporters WHO DON’T WANT IT but backed his GOVT. TAKEOVER of healthcare. Thank God, it’ll CRASH at end of June, U.S. Supreme Court will strike it down, NEVER has govt had power to mandate citizens purchase something like this and FINE you for not participating. The mandate is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, the bill collapses WITHOUT the mandate and DemocRATS are running from it now in an election year.

          • truesoy

            …and so according to you, majority poll before and after election showed people didn’t want health care reform, that he lied; really, and they still voted for Obama? apparently your ‘conervative republican’s selective poll’ and the reality are miles apart.
            Well, as usual you guys in the conservative stratosphere don’t let facts get in the way of your ‘facts’, no matter their degree of improbability.
            Don’t you think that is being ridiculously?

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Deerinwater

            Theses Poll number you were paying attention to were “Cooked” especial for and under the direction of Rupert Murdoch. But why should you believe me? Do your work, Rupert and company do leave a trail but they work very hard to keep it as small as possible.

            check the Nielsen rating systems, that’s just one of many places to start your search.

          • truesoy

            Deerinwater,
            I agree, the polls were ‘cooked’ by the republicans.
            I never said otherwise.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Deerinwater

            With this new and improved posting control, it’s not always clear to whom you are following with your posting without actually pulling up the thread.

            I like the abilities it offers to ” interject” a post in a running thread that appears “boxed in”.

            I make an “attempt” to post only to the thread and not the person ~ with some exception of course. DaveH, JeffH ( wonder if they are related) & Jay enjoy taunting me out of my box sometimes with crass absurdity as they attempt to paint with the widest brush they can find while demand you to draw inside the narrowest of lines.

            But if you single someone’s name out, even in the kindest of ways, it’s often misconstrued as inflammatory and unflattering. The personal “bias” floats thick in the air here as you’ve found out. They are cocked and ready ~ well pasted being offended before we even got here. It’s “their site” you know? MINE!

            You are doing good here truesoy, please continue. And welcome Jeff.

            bout time some Calvary showed up.

            Rasmussen is a rightwing polling company and at one time was used on this site often as well as on Fox when Big Pharm and Insurance Companies were dumping hundreds thousands dollars per. month to defeat the Affordable Health Care act with as much propaganda as they could buy.

            They had the Tea Party shepeople convinced that they “represented” the majority of the American people with their opposition to the reform being presented at the time, which of course simple was not the case. BUT It worked anyway ! They still believe it today.

            The practice of Polling became an industry available to the highest bidder, the being truth left behind in favor of nice profits.

            http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/75161/the-rasmussen-problem

          • shavager

            If you guys weren’t living in your own little world of OWEbamunism, you’d know that OWEbumbler took MONEY from Bain Capital, he made SECRET deals with Big PHARMA under the table to support his healthcare and gave WAIVERS to SEIU and other unions to opt OUT of OWEbumbler healthcare at the same time he gave WAIVER to AARP–big supporter of OWEbumblercare TILL YOU FIND OUT THEY DON’T WANT IT!

          • shavager

            Deer, I saw polls BEFORE and AFTER passage of OWEbumbler care that were 60-67% AGAINST OWEbumblercare. But YOU know what POLL was MOST important? The HUGE number of DemocRATS that got KICKED OUT OF CONGRESS in the 2010 ELECTIONS–biggest overturn in one House of Congress in 100 years. GET THE MESSAGE?? OWEbumbler promised “most transparent” govt in history–gave us BRIBES–”Cornhusker Kickback” of $100 MILLION to Ben Nelson, “Louisanna Purchase” for Mary Landrieu of $300 MILLION, Nancy Pelosi got $300 MILLION for California, MILLIONS MORE for Vermont, Connecticut–Chris Dodd got $100 MILLION. BRIBES, backroom deals, and CORRUPTION–and DemocRATS got the DOOR in the REAR on the way OUT of the House.

          • shavager

            Truesoy, what part of NO don’t YOU understand? NO America didn’t want it, he had to BRIBE Senators for their votes–Ben Nelson and “Cornhusker kickback” got $100 MILLION, make backroom deals with Mary Landrieu for $300 MILLION in “Louisianna Purchase” bribe, $300 MILLION for Rep. Sam Farr and Pelosi for California. HUNDREDS of MILLIONS in BRIBES to PASS THE BILL. IF it was SO POPULAR, why did DemocRATS lose so many seats in the 2010 elections?? Because AMERICA didn’t WANT OWEbumbler’s healthcare bill and KICKED DemocRATS OUT OF CONTROL of the House and nearly out of the Senate over the issue. Congressional Budget Office predicts $10 TRILLION in NEW DEBT over next 10 YEARS for this bill, it will go down in flames at Supreme Court in June.

          • shavager

            Truesoy, Americans wanted REFORMS for the healthcare industry NOT GOVT TAKEOVER. We need interstate policies and competiton–it’s IRONIC that DemocRATS and OWEbumbler use the Interstate Commerce Clause to JUSTIFY their healthcare plan–but YOU can’t buy Hospitalization outside state lines NOW or with the healtcare plan. We should have option to shop in other states for competing insurance, we need TORT REFORM to protect doctors and hospitals from frivolous lawsuits that are more expensive to fight that just settle–costing multiple extra charges for tests doctors and hospitals run merely to protect themselves from lawsuits. We DON’T need govt control that puts a bureaucrat in DC making YOUR medical decisions for YOU instead of YOU and YOUR doctor. Ever heard of the “complete lives system”? Ezekial Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel and OWEbumbler healthcare advisor, believes you reach a potential of taxpaying years betweem the work years around 15-18 and reaching a maximum at age 50-55. AFTER age 55, YOU don’t have enough working years left to pay taxes to federal govt. for the govt controlled healthcare program to RECOUP their costs for large medical bills and operations YOU will cost them. Therefore a DC bureaucrat will make the decision to DENY YOU the operation and medical services–that’s what is happening in UK, will happen here in U.S. because U.S. won’t have MONEY FOR EVERYONE’S HEALTHCARE. That’s where the “death panels” came from–if YOU are too late in age–they WILL NOT OK HUGE COSTING PROCEDURES OR MEDICAL COSTS TO YOU. In a recent VIDEO on YOUTUBE, OWEbumbler told the daughter of a 105 year old mother–”maybe it’s time to just take some aspirin

          • truesoy

            shavager;

            please, read all.

            I see you have a misconception on how the insurance industry works, but you are not the only one, many people think the same way, therefore, I will talk to you about isurance, a subject I understand very well, and hopefully you will too.

            1) Insurance companies compete across state lines, but to do so requires for them to be ‘admitted’ to the state they are doing business in, and for that they have to meet a set of requirements as per the direction of the State Insurance Commissioner.

            2) The argument the insurance industry makes, or that is made by their ‘proxies’ for ‘crossing across state lines’ to make rates cheaper is false and misleading. The only reason for this argument is to bypass the insurance commissioner and thereby eliminating a regulatory agency that protects the consumer by making sure insurance ocompanies doing business in the state have the necessary funds to pay claims.

            3) But premiums would be cheaper then? No. Insurance rates won’t be any cheaper. Premiums are based on the companies ‘actuaries’, and them premiums are set based on where the ‘insured resides’, and not on where the company is located.
            For example, The Blues Brothers (Blue Shield/Blue Cross0 are basically everywhere in he United States, but have different rates from state to state, but not only have different rates among the states, but within the same state the rates will change from one county to the other. But I’ll do one better, moving the insured from one zip code to another within the same county will change the rates/premiums you pay.

            Do you follow me so far. If you don’t, ask me and I’tell you

            About tort reform? it won’t do anything to lower you insurance rate. The company that sell malpractice insurance is not the same that sells health insurance, but it will protect the interest of the insurance company for pay outs, though.

            About death panels. Technically the insurance companies have that power now because they can denied you coverage and/or claim, and they have done so and people have died because of it, but it only gets a little bit o news, I guess because it is acceptable.
            About competiition? not much, True, there are many insurance companies, but they are ‘owned’ by a handfull of major insurance companies. Your medical care is in the hand of a handful of CEO’s.

            Why our current healthcare system is not practical? It’s not practical because is based on ‘profits’, and it can only generate profits when the purchaser does not use the product. This is one of the reasons they add so many exclusion and limitations to the policy.

            Let me ask you:, if UPS and FedEx could only make money on packages not delivered, would you use their services? No, you wouldn’t, right.

            Then why do it on your health?

            Sincerely
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, have you ever sold insurance, had a license to sell insurance or have you ever studied insurance law? If you had ever done any of the three things listed you’d know that your statement about interstate sales of insurance can not be done without massive reform to each states body of insurance law. What law applies in one state can’t necessarily be applied in another because to the conflict between state laws. Each insurance company has to be licensed in each state separately in order to do business there. Example, Louisiana legal system follows a form of Napoleonic law while I don’t believe that there is another state that does. I once had a license to sell insurance in Arkansas that covered Texarkana Arkansas and only Texarkana Texas. There are vast differences between types of insurance like life, accident and property insurances and it’s very complicated and difficult to get a license in all the different types as most fail the test.

          • truesoy

            Be advised I’ve replied to you, but under another post.
            I hope you read it and find it informative.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            Truesoy, I’ll type this reeaaalll ssslllooowww (real slow) so you can read and understand, YOU can’t buy a hospitalization over state lines, NOT NOW OR UNDER OWEbumbler care. YOU buy your insurance from companies that have huge base of policy purchasers in other states and nationwide just as auto insurance–ability to pay claims depends on huge base of revenue from other participants, but YOU can’t BUY FROM ANY companies that aren’t represented in the state YOU live. That’s NOT interstate competition, IF YOU find a better policy from company in Oregan or Nebraska–YOU have to use an agent in YOUR state to access those companies IF they exist, if not YOU can’t buy those policies. As for insurers denying coverage, those REFORMS have been attempted to change, DemocRATS did NOT want any change but FEDERAL CONTROL. Under current rules YOU can seek other options, under OWEbumbler healthcare–there ARE NO OPTIONS BUT FEDERAL GOVT and DOCTORS WHO OPERATE OUTSIDE FEDERAL RULES WOULD BE ARRESTED AS WELL AS YOU.

          • Jeff

            Most states have an Insurance commissioner who enforces minimum standards for insurance companies. Who has the time, inclination, or ability to read every line of a policy? There are some states with either no or minimal standards. New York and California would prefer to protect their citizens from buying cut-rate, unregulated policies from Mississippi that will be worthless when needed. This is why we don’t have the ability to buy insurance across state lines, resulting in a race to the bottom in terms of regulation of insurance companies.

            We can have access to insurance across state lines if there are federal standards to which everyone must adhere. But then some shmuck on a blog calls it socialism and we start all over again.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Jeff, have you ever heard of “caveat emptor”? An insurance policy is a contract and you should understand what it is that you are putting your signature to. How will you know if you are buying the right kind of coverage for your situation if you don’t understand what’s in the policy. The individual that enters into a contract to pay for anything is the one on who that responsibility falls on. I know everybody wants to be protected from their own behavior but life seldom works that way.

          • Jeff

            Your comment is silly. Health insurance is particularly intricate. The insurer knows everything in the policy and the insured knows almost nothing. Even the most backward states recognize that caveat emptor is an outmoded concept in the modern world. What do you think implied warranties are all about? I would say even the vast majority of attorneys and doctors are ill prepared to properly evaluate what a policy covers, the hidden exclusions, evaluate if the company has the financial strength to be around, or to know which conditions they will need to cover in the future. How can you be so trusting of a company whose only interest is making money and so suspicious of government involvement when you actually have a say in who governs?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Jeff, no my comment isn’t silly. Why would you just throw up your hands and buy something that you don’t understand then turn around and cry about it when you get burned? Not everybody gets burned by insurance companies.

            All companies are rated and given a score on their financial strength. Knowing that you should research the company that you intend to invest in. But even at that there is nothing that you invest in that is really risk free and that includes insurance. Insurance is taking the risk or life and spreading that risk across a broad enough group of people that helps to ameliorate but not necessarily eliminates a risk.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Jeff, there are other considerations about this issue of insurance: the complexity of a policy is in proportion to the risk the insurance company will face by writing a policy. Policy holders are not the only ones who suffer from fraud; insurance companies do as well. Large life and property insurance policies pose a larger financial risk than smaller accident and sickness policies that merely pays a small benefit when the insured goes to the doctor or hospital for an injury or insured sickness. Insurance companies write those policies to protect themselves from fraud. People are clever and work diligently to find ways to cheat. There are no shortages of cheaters on either side of this issue.

          • Jeff

            The issue is major medical coverage – the kind of coverage that can mean the difference between life and death. If you’re healthy w/o pre-existing conditions, you’re eventually going to get sick with something. It could be any of a thousand things. How do you know that condition won’t be excluded by the insurer? If you buy from Blue Cross and you live in California or NY where there’s a strong insurance commissioner, you’re probably OK unless the treatment gets ruled experimental by some bureaucrat. Try undoing that by writing letters to the company!
            I actually have been treated quite well by insurance companies. I was hospitalized 5 years ago and would have died but for the treatment – all paid by insurance. So, I have no axe to grind, but I’ve seen enough reports of people not being so fortunate. Needed cancer treatments denied, companies going back to discover some minor discrepancy in the application after premiums were paid for years, etc.
            If anyone can buy insurance anywhere, states with limited or no regulation (Mississippi, Texas) will allow companies to open who are there to collect premiums and to pay out as little as possible. Ex. deny all claims of a certain sort and only pay the ones who bother to appeal. You might think you’re too smart to fall for this, but some percentage of people will, or they’ll have no choice because it’s all they can afford.
            There’s a reason caveat emptor is a dying concept in the law. There are also reasons we don’t have the same social attitudes we had in the 19th century. I get sick of the libertarian mantra that if only we can repeal the advances of the 20th century, all will be well with the U.S. When you seek to eliminate reforms put in place in the past 50-75 years, you’d do well to ask (1) why they were put in place and (2) what conditions were like before the reforms.

          • Jeff

            Your comment is silly. Health insurance is particularly intricate. The insurer knows everything in the policy and the insured knows almost nothing. Even the most backward states recognize that caveat emptor is an outmoded concept in the modern world. What do you think implied warranties are all about? I would say even the vast majority of attorneys and doctors are ill prepared to properly evaluate what a policy covers, the hidden exclusions, evaluate if the company has the financial strength to be around, or to know which conditions they will need to cover in the future. How can you be so trusting of a company whose only interest is making money and so suspicious of government involvement when you actually have a say in who governs?

            Since you like legal terms, try contract of adhesion.

          • Samdromeda

            When the money changers sweep all accounts clean the investments in private prisons and security forces will open doors for slavery for survival. In the past families sold their daughters to erase familial debt. The agreement was that the person who bought their daughter would pay off all familial debt. Private fortunes can and will buy the land out from in under you. It happened to The Native Americans with The Louisiana Purchase. It is currently happening to the Natives in Central America. Politicians line their pockets and the local people get forced off of the land by private armies financed by The Central Banks using other peoples money. The tax payer eventually foots the bill. The native Americans never wanted to be on public assistance and were fully capable of supporting themselves but they were robbed of their land and often starved to death waiting for assistance during the winter from a government who sold the supplies to settlers instead of delivering them to the people for whom they were intended. Dependency is a precursor to bondage. But often the dependency is forced by treaty and the promise of support for for-fitting the right to independent self sufficiency upon threat of death by total extermination and/or genocide. You give up the land or die. This was not taught in Grade School American History Class It was not even taught in High School. The sins of the fathers are often hid. Follow the money. When money is worshiped as god everything is up for sale and all bets are covered by the taxpayer while the masses grumble at each other about the pile of sand in the treasury.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            I like your comment and I agree. This story below is an example of what you talk about.

            Gen 47:15 And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.
            Gen 47:16 And Joseph said, Give your cattle; and I will give you for your cattle, if money fail.
            Gen 47:17 And they brought their cattle unto Joseph: and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses, and for the flocks, and for the cattle of the herds, and for the asses: and he fed them with bread for all their cattle for that year.
            Gen 47:18 When that year was ended, they came unto him the second year, and said unto him, We will not hide it from my lord, how that our money is spent; my lord also hath our herds of cattle; there is not ought left in the sight of my lord, but our bodies, and our lands:
            Gen 47:19 Wherefore shall we die before thine eyes, both we and our land? buy us and our land for bread, and we and our land will be servants unto Pharaoh: and give us seed, that we may live, and not die, that the land be not desolate.

            Governments take advantage of situations especially ones of their own making. Joseph didn’t create the situation but he did use it to the Pharaoh’s advantage. Our government is doing this but the situation was created by it.

            Did the Egyptians have an option? Not much of one since the only food in the land was directly under Pharaohs control and they couldn’t grow anymore. Do we have any options? For the time being we do but I can’t foresee many doing anything with the option that I’m thinking of. Where will the masses go? There are generations who have been so removed from the land that they think their food comes from the shelf at the local Walmart or Krogers. They couldn’t plant a seed and keep it growing even if they wanted to so when the money fails they will turn, in even greater numbers than already have, to the government to feed them.

            Is there any salvation in our land and farms? For the time being yes but that will not always be as this criminal government is slowly depriving us of our land and our ability to work it. The criminals are making laws that make it a crime to have your children help you on your family farm and they have already passed legislation that could be utilized by the criminals to make you stop planting even a garden under the guise of protecting the food supply. It’s illegal in one state for farmers to have and raise feral pigs and eventually they may make it illegal to have anything but hybrid animals on a farm.

            What makes sense to me will not make any to another but I would turn to my neighbor and ask to be allowed to plant a garden, help with their garden, work on their farm or do whatever manual labor in exchange for food and shelter if needed. This will work for a few when the going gets really tough but by the time that happens this won’t be an option for the masses. In fact that time may already be here.

            Monsanto’s not going to let a drove of people to do manual labor on their collective poison farms. Probably non of the commercial farms will either. They have all sorts of equipment to do what people could do. The only option will be the government for as long as it deigns to feed them. I see this day coming and it doesn’t look to be too far off in the future. When the money fails.

          • truesoy

            Shavaeger,
            When President Reagan gave $billions to Chrysler in the 1980′s, conservative republicans cheered. That was the american way to save the auto industry. Fine, ok..
            Obama gives $billions to GM, and conservative republicans scream in anger it is unamerican to save the auto Industry. Obama is a ‘commie’. Really, Obama is a commie? but them what will that make Reagan?
            I would like to see how conservative republicans will reconcile these two extreme opposite views. I know they will twist themselves and the truth into a pretzel like contortion, but they’ll try.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Deerinwater

            It is true, ~ the reports and numbers are and can be misleading regarding GM.

            we are not out of the woods yet! and neither is the nation.

            We ve got work too do ~ I wish that the GOP and pundits would be a part of that rather then throwing their hands in the air and buying Korean.

          • vieteravet

            Lee Iaccoca paid back that loan with interest. The Hand out that was given by Onumnuts will not get paid back. when the CEO of GM made the commericial that they paid back the gov’t; they only paid the part that Bush had loaned them.

          • truesoy

            So, you complain that Gm has only paid back what Bush gave them, gee, I didn’t know the debt was kept separate from each other, let me guess: blue and red?
            vieteravet, not only the debt is being paid, but millions of people directly and indirectly owed their jobs to the auto industry being alive.
            I know this is contrary to what the republicans wished it had happened, but they have to learn to live with it, plus the fact GM is #1 again.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • vieteravet

            Sorry Obumber lover, you’re wrong, they paid back the first 5 billion that was given around Sept. 2008. Onumbnuts,Curious George, Obumber what ever you want to call him (I call him), gave billions more when he took office. Who much did the CEO say they paid back? Oh, one more thing, Toyota is NO#1 not Gov’t Motors.

          • truesoy

            vieteravet;
            Here what you said:- ‘Toyota is #1, not GM’
            Well you are wrong, as usual.
            Sources: wall street, Forbes magazine, etc.
            See, there is nothing wrong to believe in the way you believe if you knew the reasons why, but you don’t know, because if you knew you wouldn’t think the way you do.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            truesoy, if you spent more time listening or understanding instead of your derogatory personal comments and snide remarks, you’d understand there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between Reagan using federal dollars to prop up Chysler before Lee Iacocca could RESTRUCTURE Chysler and bring it back to profitability. OWEbumbler TOOK OVER GM and Chrysler, he PICKED particular dealerships and CLOSED THEM, FIRED GM’S CEO and TOOK CONTROL using bailout money–SOMETHING NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER DONE. Neither Chysler nor GM has paid back all the bailout money–it’s likely Americans will NEVER see those dollars–what we got are UNION CONTROLLED COMPANIES as a result of payback to union leaders supporting his campaign. That’s all the Card Check program is–FORCE business and corporations into union control. He’s trying to give more power to unions–with only about 12-13 MILLION members nationwide–federal backed authority to takeover private business with union control by stacking the Labor Board with pro-union members, changing federal rules to FORCE “quick snap” union ballot votes on businesses without those businesses having opportunity to give employees both sides of the issues. Just ask Marriott Hotel in NY City where union officials used video cameras in employee changing rooms, confiscated employee property and verbally abused employees to FORCE union card check votes through intimidation and harassment. OR ask Chapman Medical Center in Orange County, Calif. where employees VOTED DOWN union ballot and have sent cards, letters, signed petitions AGAINST union membership–the intimidation and harassment has the hospital in NEGOTIATIONS with SEIU despite overwhelming OPPOSITION. That was what OWEbumbler’s bailouts gave America, unlike Reagan’s position to help return Chysler to profitable performance–OWEbumbler was all about UNION CONTROL.

          • Jeff

            Truesoy:

            I’m truly surprised. You should know better. There is no greater sin on this blog than saying something sensible. On this blog, the ground rules are very clear. Premise 1: If Obama did it, it must be evil. Premise 2: If GWB, the Gipper, or Romney did or proposed it, it must be great. If both sides proposed the same thing, the Republicans were deceived and Obama is still at fault. As Barney Frank said, arguing with these people “is like arguing with a kitchen table.”
            Not only is Obama responsible for everything that has happened since the minute he took office and entitled to no credit for anything ( e.g. Dow up 4-5,000 points), but I specifically recall Rush Limbaugh claiming that Obama was responsible for the stock market drop in late 2008, even prior to the election, because of investor fears of Obama getting elected.
            There is no intellectual honesty on the right. They want tax cuts because they want tax cuts. It has nothing to do with the economy, the deficit, or anything else. The Republican motto since Reagan has been: “I’ve got mine; screw you.”

          • shavager

            Jeff, NOT TRUE, stock market ROSE at news of Bush’s election and re-election because Wall Street and stock market recognize GOP administration’s are PRO-BUSINESS and growth, favor FREE MARKETS while DemocRATS ALWAYS GO FOR MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS OVER THE MARKET, BUSINESS, & REGULATE MORE and PROSPER LESS. Do you realize there will be $500 BILLION NEW TAXES COMING IN 2013 BECAUSE OF OWEbumbler?? INCOME TAX HIKES FOR EVERYONE, business TAX HIKES, state, local taxes will go UP–YOUR costs to live will go up–YOUR standard of living will GO DOWN. That will immediately DROP the stock markets–right now leading economists are predicting as much as a 20% DROP before first of the year because of HUGE DEBT and spending policies of an administration that was handed a report from CBO earlier this year that $430 BILLION dollars in WASTE, FRAUD have been found in duplicative agencies and programs–OWEbumbler’s step to eliminate all that $430 BILLION–ZERO!! DemocRATS favor a govt conrolled economy and govt control over every step of your life–if that’s what you want America is surrounded by countries that are failing from policies like that–YOU should consider moving there if you don’t like capitalism, free markets, private sector growing businesses, opportunities and growth with innovations and ideas from the PRIVATE SECTOR–NOT GOVT.

          • Jeff

            Look at the Stock Market’s performance over the past 100 years, or any time period really. Under Democratic administrations, much, much better than under Republicans.
            There, simple point. No craziness, no name calling, just a fact. Deal with it.

          • Jeff

            Do you actually think your name-calling is persuasive? Even if what you said made sense, your typing and name-calling would make you look crazy.

          • truesoy

            Jeff,
            That’s the republican way, didn’t you know.
            Example:
            1) Conservative republicans tell us that Obama is ‘shredding’ the Constitution while they:
            a) demand constitutional ammendments, and pass laws that control
            adult behaviour in the bedroom. So much for their commitment to defend the Constitution, and small government..
            b) republicans demand that government leaves us alone in the one hand, while on the other they demand drug testing anyone, even for those applying for ‘unemployment’ insurance, which by the way is an entitlement workers pay for just in case of unemployment. This is another invasion of privacy compliments of the conservatives.
            c) Republicans also gave us The Patriot Act.
            d) And now the republican party in Virginia is threatening ‘armed rebellion’ if Obama is re-elected. So much for their respect for the democracy.

            But they still will tell you with straight face that Obama is a commie, a dictator that has no respect for the constitution. Go figure!!!
            And I could go on, and on.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Deerinwater

            Yea that’s a hoot! They want to hold elections while telling us if they don’t approve of the outcome , it’s their patriot duty that calls them to take to the streets with armed Resistance. Why bother with an election process if that’s the way they feel? Just go ahead and whip it out. Pull it or sit down and behave.

            There is a part of me that is looking forward to seeing that played out , they need to get their head handed to them and let the rest of the nation move on. In a day or two, a week max, this whole idea will be put to bed.

            And then these is a part of me that wants to reach out to these fellow Americans. While my experience here on these forum indicated that any attempts to reach out, you stand a good chance of being bite and only losing some fingers for your efforts.

            They have consumed too much poison and mutated into a subspecies of American while claiming their mongrel nature hold some special magic pedigree. They fell to earth American, not born of woman, free of any debit and owing no one nothing!

            I don’t get it! I think maybe the smartest thing to do is issue them all a gun and 500 rounds and tell them ~ we are now even, Here is your gun you love, here is your bullets, ~ society now owes you nothing , go hide , go play, just stay out of the way, your behavior will determine your future and if you even have one.

            I don’t judge people by what they claim to be but by what they do. If you don’t like men, marry a woman, if you don’t women, marry a man. ~ That’s what fairy’s do and you can too!

            If you don’t like either one ~ stay away.

          • truesoy

            Deerinwater,
            Conservatives live in a confused state of mind, otherwise why else would they finght for conservative causes while enjoying the fruits of liberalism?.
            However, if it is of any consolation to know, conservatism is only a ‘speed bump’ on the road of progress, and that is the way it has always been.
            Remember, once upon a time conservatives and religious people believed the earth was flat at the center of the universe; and would kill if anyone said otherwise? Well, eventually they came around to embraced reality not just on that, but on many other things, and so they’ll again, eventually.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Beg to differ deer. Obama is a destroyer par excellence.

        Obama has destroyed our health care system.

        Obama is in the process of removing our Bill of Rights.

        Obama has stolen trillions of our dollars and sent them overseas, some to locations and entities that still remain secret.

        He has taken over our water and food distribution, shades of Stalin and every other despotic ruler here!

        Obama is increasingly talking publicly about ‘the problems of democracies’.

        Obama’s Operation Gunwalker/Gunrunner—”Fast and Furious” was specifically designed to remove legally-obtained guns from US citizens by blaming the planned murderous outcome of the program on gun shop owners and the US citizenry at large.

        The Obama-Holder syndicate bosses were caught in their criminal scheme, but, they’re still continuing their plan to dissolve the Second, and therefore all, Amendment.

        It has, also, now been revealed that the Obama syndicate and the Sinaloa Drug Cartel has a ‘business relationship’. In return for ‘favors”, the Obama syndicate, aka the “US Obama Government”, allowed the drug cartel to bring tons of cocaine into the USA with encouragement and without consequences. Remember Obama has said his favorite movie is “The Godfather” and our Southern border still remains wide open. Still wonder why?

        Now, Obama and the Marxist Democrats (remember that the Democrats took over both Houses of Congress in January 2007) have destroyed the economy…yet, they are still demanding we give them more! Nothing ever satisfies the corrupt and perverse.

        For the tyrannical ruler, there is never enough. There may not be enough for those who continue to demand they be allowed to suckle even when all the milk has been consumed.

        “Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive
        the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless.” -Isaiah 10:1-2

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Btw deer, answer me this, if you can, about your beloved saviour, whom you claim, and as you stated to a poster above; obama did it the “American Way”. Why then, would mr. Obama, as the first order of business, upon entering the White House, enact a Executive Order, that would seal all his personal records from public scrutiny?

        As a poster stated above, no previous President has ever, done that, but obama surely did. Why? Are you aware that he did this? And if so, does that not bother you in the least? Do you not regard such an action to be a tad disconcerting?

        I really do, look forward to your response!

        • Deerinwater

          Not having a savoir , finding no need of such much less a beloved one, could you rephrase you question in such a way I might attempt to answer it?

      • Deerinwater

        i think that you have your facts mixed ~ I guess you can hold Obama responsible for the actions of every congressman and senator if you want to.

        “In an obvious effort to protect President Barack Obama, a group of congressional Democrats has introduced legislation to create an official process that will allow the commander-in-chief to keep presidential records secret after he leaves office.

        Ironically, Obama revoked a similar George W. Bush order in one of his first official acts as president. In 2001 Bush penned an executive order severely limiting public access to his presidential records. Shortly after swearing in, Obama killed it as part of his much-ballyhooed commitment to government transparency. At the time, the new president claimed that he was giving the American people greater access to “historic documents.”

        and then this

        “Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.” by Obama

        Executive Order 13233

        A new executive order issued by President George W. Bush (Presidential Records Act Executive Order 13233) restricts access to the records of former presidents. The Office for Intellectual Freedom of the American Library Association (ALA) and The Freedom to Read Foundation (FTRF) urge librarians to alert their patrons and the public about this effort to close the public record.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        deer says: “In an obvious effort to protect President Barack Obama, a group of congressional Democrats has introduced legislation to create an official process that will allow the commander-in-chief to keep presidential records secret after he leaves office.

        Protect him from what exactly? What could be so damaging from having the public know where he was born, where he went to school, his medical records, his parents marital and citizenship status? How would having the public know such information pose a threat, or be considered a security risk to obama? You say the Democrats took the initiative to seal obama’s records, yet this doesn’t negate the question, why? Why do that? I’ll tell you why.

        It is by far easier, less costly, and less time consuming, to remove a illegitimate President from the White-house, then a one who is, legitimate. You see mr. deer, with a legitimate President, you have to go through what is known as a Impeachment process; very costly, time consuming, and there’s no guarantee of success. But, with a illegitimate poser-president, you can just simply remove him; no fuss, no muss!

        deer says: Ironically, Obama revoked a similar George W. Bush order in one of his first official acts as president. In 2001 Bush penned an executive order severely limiting public access to his presidential records. Shortly after swearing in, Obama killed it as part of his much-ballyhooed commitment to government transparency. At the time, the new president claimed that he was giving the American people greater access to “historic documents.”

        As usual, this logic makes no sense. If, obama revoked a similar GW’s order, why then pass another that would seal his own. So big deal, he revoked Bush’s EO, which allows access to Bush’s records, but enacted another, restricting access to his own. But in reality, barack obama did neither one, as only a legitimate President would be capable, or have the authority to do so, and this is why, no doubt, as you stated; a group of congressional Democrats has introduced legislation to create an official process that will allow the commander-in-chief to keep presidential records secret after he leaves office.

        Whether it was it mr. o, or the congressional Democrats that ensured that obama’s records be off-limit, matters not, and the question still stands, mr. deer; what would necessitate such an action, what could they be protecting obama from?

        deer say: and then this “Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.” by Obama

        Big deal, this means absolutely, nothing! A joke in fact, as it took mr. obama over two years of public pressure to produce his birth certificate, only to discover it is a fake.

        TRANSPARENCY? I think not, mr. deer! What i think is that, you are either the dumbest person on the planet, or you are the biggest liar on the planet!

        • terris

          Presidential records are the records of a Presidential Administration, not the records of the President’s school records, or anthing else that is already sealed by law. Birth, school & passport records have been sealed, legally, for decades. Obama had nothing to do with any of it.

          Obama’s very first Executive Order, upon taking office was to reverse Bush’s EO not to allow those records be m made public for decades, if that President chooses not to.

          If you know of the bill number that the Dem’s are suposedly putting together, please post it. Otherwise this is nothing more than malicious gossip. Just like the supposed martial law plans by the Homeland Security.

          • Deerinwater

            I didn’t say that Jay, It was a quote, I used parentheses . ~ and I agree, much about little.

            Some records need to be for certain eyes only, with allowances.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        In a story by Tom Murse, About dot com Contributing Writer, titled “Obama’s First Executive Order” dated September 20, 2010 the question was asked, “Did President Really Seal His Own Personal Records?” It might surprise you, as it did me, that the answer is “No”.

        One day after being sworn in as the 44th president of the United States, on Jan. 21, 2009, Obama signed Executive Order 13489, states Mr. Murse and he continues, “That the first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released. This is the subject that was at the absolute top of his agenda. If this isn’t proof that Obama is hiding something, I don’t know what is.”

        So OK; if he didn’t sign an Executive Order sealing all of his private and personal records of birth, schooling, elected service in the Illinois state Senate as well as all travel abroad, where are all of those records? We can only presume he is still cleverly hiding them, not in an Executive Order, but in the protection of one that says only the records he chooses to be made public will be released.

        The actual wording of Obama’s first Executive Order merely rescinded an earlier executive order issued by President Bush severely limiting public access to presidential records after they left office.

        By doing this he was gaining points by making a Bush’s EO public and not kept secret while at the same time protecting his own personal records and keeping his critical personal information uber top secret and not subject to later disclosure by a succeeding presidential EO. Sounds slick enough to be a Rahm Emanuel maneuver.

        Tom Murse added, “That now-rescinded executive order 13233, was signed by then-President George W. Bush on Nov. 1, 2001. It allowed former presidents and even family members to declare executive privilege and block public access to White House records for virtually any reason”

        Then quoting Obama, “For a long time now, there’s been too much secrecy in this city. This administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information but with those who seek it to be known,” Obama said after signing the order rescinding the Bush-era measure.

        “The mere fact that you have the legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it. Transparency and the rule of law was supposed to be the touchstones of his presidency.”

        I am sure that this was not the first lie Obama told after becoming the president nor was it his last; but it surely was one hell of a WHOPPER.

        But do you see how frail and flimsy these EO’s really are? In spite of the wording of Bush’s EO all it took was an EO by Obama to open them up to public scrutiny.

        Pretty clever, eh? But the “Emanuel-esque” exclamation point put on Obama’s own EO, that being the omission of including his personal information plus the edict that only he can choose whether or not to release it, was the absolute and very early proof that Obama was NOT going to be the “transparent” president that he crowed to the people that he would in fact be.

        It also solidified the rumor that he was and is hiding information that the public has a legal right under the United States Constitution to know.

        Why is it that if I, a non-legalistically trained layman with no courtroom experience can see the injustice there, that there are no judges or justices with enough loyalty to the United States and the Constitution they swore to defend and uphold that can see any wrongdoing?

        Maybe 2012 will provide the American people the balance of change necessary to rid these deceitful and duplicitous socialists from our government ranks allowing our judges the propriety to regain their fealty to our country as opposed to fearing its elected leaders as it now appears. In the meantime, some high level official should insist on a complete look and possible revamping of the credence of Executive Orders and what they can legally contain complete with sunset provisions.

    • Deerinwater

      “Obama has destroyed our health care system.”

      We didn’t have much in the way of a health care system to destroy Jay.

      It’s cost had risen 300% in 30 years and was still climbing. ~ The bulk of American couldn’t afford it. ~ Those that could afford it was being subsidized by taxpayer dollars from those that couldn’t. Emergency Room care , the most expensive care had became the care of last resort and again the final burden placed on tax payers of the district and any Federal help.

      We had insurance providers writing policy not worth the paper it was written on. We had insurance providers cancelling policy and denying claim without oversight other then the court systems. A sick person has more pressing matters then to sue Jay!

      so explain yourself Jay.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Deerinwater, there are several reasons for that 300% increase in thirty years and some of the biggies are: inflation(can we say a fiat currency is to blame here?), lawsuits and poor health habits. People treat their bodies like garbage cans and when the body rebels and breaks down the people run to the doctor to fix it back up with a little purple pill and when that doesn’t work then they have to go back and have parts cut out or replaced. The average person is to blame for this.

        “A sick person has more pressing matters then to sue ” Oh really now.

        “Statistics show that approximately 195,000 people are killed every year by medical errors. [1] The study notes that about 1.14 million patient-safety incidents occurred among the 37 million hospitalizations in the Medicare population over the years 2000-2002. Hospital costs associated with such medical errors were estimated at $324 million in October 2008 alone.[2]

        Between 15,000 and 19,000 malpractice suits are brought against doctors each year.[3]”

        “A 2011 study in the New England Journal of Medicine reported that 75% of physicians in “low-risk” specialties and virtually 100% of physicians in “high-risk” specialties could expect to face a malpractice claim during their careers. However, the authors also noted that the vast majority of malpractice claims did not lead to any indemnity payments.[9]”
        Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_negligence

        So a sick person has better things to do than to sue?

        The costs for a public healthcare system will inflate even more rapidly as there will be no reason to not run to the doctor for every minor problem imaginable.

      • shavager

        Deer, we needed REFORMS for healthcare system, NOT GOVT TAKEOVER. Polls BEFORE and AFTER OWEbumbler’s healthcare bill show Americans AGAINST it. Amazing how OWEbumbler supporters want to use the Interstate Commerce Clause as excuse to pass it–YOU can’t buy hospitalization insurance over state lines before-YOU can’t AFTER the bill passed. We need interstate competition for consumers, TORT REFORM to stop frivolous lawsuits against doctors and hospitals, streamline hospital records and costs. OWEbumbler wanted to add 30 MILLION new people to govt controlled healthcare saying it would decrease costs–THOSE SAME PEOPLE who can’t get insurance WILL GET SUBSIDIZED BY TAXPAYERS under his plan. NO savings for the people who pay for insurance. Ever heard of Ezekial Emanuel’s “complete lives system”? He is brother of Rahm Emanuel and OWEbumbler’s healthcare advisor–his plan recognizes that YOUR potential prime earning years in the workplace will start from 15-18 and END at 50-55, AFTER 55 govt controlled healthcare officials will NOT PAY for HUGE medical costs or operations for YOU based on your age and INABILITY TO TAX YOU to RECOUP THEIR COSTS OF MEDICAL OPERATIONS/CARE in remaining years of YOUR life. That’s what the so-called “death panels” are–bureaucrats in DC who will make YOUR medical decisions instead of YOU and YOUR doctor. ONCE 55 or older they don’t see any productive reasons to provide YOU with huge medical costs/operations since YOU won’t have enough working years left in life for govt to RECOUP their costs on YOUR behalf. The daughter of a 105 year old woman who had expensive surgery at age 100, told OWEbumbler that under his healthcare bill, her mother WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN the operation that saved her LIFE. OWEbumbler’s answer (was available on YouTube video) to her: “At sometime maybe it’s better to take an aspirin” –he would rather spend the money on someone who could work longer to pay taxes for a parasitic healthcare plan. It’s is costing BILLIONS (recent estimate was $346 BILLION) in taxpayer dollars for ILLEGALS in America running up hospital costs all across the country–51 California hospitals CLOSED because of expenses from healthcare for ILLEGAL ALIENS. STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, TORT REFORM, INTERSTATE COMPETITION, STREAMLINE HOSPITAL COSTS AND OPERATIONS–all these steps are better solutions for America than his govt. controlled healthcare plan that will be thrown out by Supreme Court by end of June when the mandate is ruled Unconstitutional.

        • Deerinwater

          Well Jay, The GOP had 8 good years to address all these issues and we got a nice 10 ft. tall all weathering steel fence.

          There is pros & cons to any system one might employ. For now , you got this one. when your people garner the power and political courage to address it, see that they do.

          • truesoy

            …and maybe we should remind the ‘conservatives’ that Obama ran his presidential campaign on healt care reform, actually for ‘universal health care’, and he won the election. Conservatives are masters at self-deceiving, among other things, however, they won’t fool anyone else.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            NO, he ran on ‘HOPE’ and “CHANGE” in DC–the MOST TRANSPARENT administation in history, NO lobbyists at the table, REFORM healthcare–what we got was GOVT takeover of healthcare that will put YOU on govt controlled programs because private insurers will be forced out. What we got was BRIBES to Senators, back room deals and closed door decisions from the “most transparent” administration in history. By the way–that healthcare bill INCLUDES a 3.8% TAX ON HOME SALES–if you sell a home for a $100,000 OWEbumbler will charge YOU $3,800 TAX on YOUR HOME. He gave us an administration that is FULL of Wall Street Lobbyists–Franklin Raines of Fannie Mae, Tim Howard of Fannie Mae, Jim Johnson of Freddie Mac,TomDonelin of FMae, Melody Barnes of Raben Group, Emmett Beliveau of Patton Boggs and Price Waterhouse, William Wilkins of Swiss Banks, Ron Klain–Biden’s chief of staff was former FMae, Time Warner lobbyist, Michael Taylor from Monsanto, Sean Kennedy of AT&T, EVEN ERIC HOLDER was a lobbyist–just a FEW of the more than 40 LOBBYISTS and 3 Cabinet Members who were loybbyists sitting at OWEbumbler’s table.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          shavager, you said and I agree that we need to, “STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, TORT REFORM, INTERSTATE COMPETITION, STREAMLINE HOSPITAL COSTS AND OPERATIONS–all these steps are better solutions for America than his govt. controlled healthcare plan that will be thrown out by Supreme Court by end of June when the mandate is ruled Unconstitutional.” I’m praying that there are enough Supreme Court Justices who will have the intelligence to throw out this monstrous healthcare legislation.

          • Jeff

            If the health care act is thrown out by the same Justices who brought you Citizens United and the Administration of GWB, it will not be because the Government has taken over healthcare. A single-payer system would not be constitutionally questionable. What is questionable is mandating that people buy private insurance.

          • truesoy

            Jeff,
            You might find of interest my answer to shavger on the subject of health care, and the insurance industry. I like to refer you to it.
            Please, if you get a chance read it, and share your opinion.
            ..shavager, conveniently never acknowledged it.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Jeff, this may be a little to difficult for you but I’ll try anyway: Government mandates or government controls in the form or laws over an agency or group of people equals a government take over because they now call the shots and get to dictate what does or doesn’t happen. Any involvement of the government in any business is a government take over.

          • Jeff

            So, there’s no difference between the Government mandating that sedans get 30 mpg and the Govt. actually manufacturing the cars? No difference between regulating the banks as it has since the 30s and owning the banks? So it’s all or nothing? Either totally private or it’s collective ownership of the means of production? No room for Government regulation of private business? How about pollution control? How about controlling trade with other countries?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Jeff, no the government doesn’t have to actually manufacture the cars as that’s what they have the car companies do. And remember, you don’t have to buy a car from any body. You can walk, ride a bike, hitch a ride in a car made by the government proxy or you can stay home. We don’t need the government to interfere in the affairs of private business.

            Remember, I can sue for damages against anyone who pollutes my land and this is done through the courts which is an extension of the government. We don’t need regulations what we need is for people to do what they should have been doing all along and it’s called “eternal vigilance”. Failing to be eternally vigilant and demanding that the government should do it gives the government more power than it should have in our lives. Be responsible don’t drive without being vigilant.

          • truesoy

            Sure Katrael;
            we don’t need regulations. That’s why no one ever poisoned our drinking water, nor polluted our lands, nor the oceans.
            We, the people, just demanded regulations and laws governing ‘those things’ for the fun of it, just to piss off conservatives. Right?

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, you said, “We, the people, just demanded regulations and laws governing ‘those things’ for the fun of it, just to piss off conservatives. Right?” Na, I didn’t say that I simply said that there was another remedy and that is the courts and this has always been an option. The EPA is a punitive organization. It’s fines, sanctions and regulations often do nothing but cost different organizations, cities and business money while doing little to ameliorate any problems. Here’s an example of this reported by USA Today:

            http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-08-19-sewage_x.htm. I know you won’t read it…possibly because you don’t how or possibly you might read it and not comprehend so you won’t give anything but a sarcastic remark.

          • truesoy

            Katrael;

            So the EPA is just a punitive organizatioonthat cost business’s money. That is why we have the ‘Courts’, right.
            Katrael, think of what you just said. Is your solution to ‘shift the cost’ to the courts, are you kidding me? well, there goes tort reform.
            Besides, the court system will be an after the fact solution since most likely it won’t be until people start getting sick and dying that we will know about it, as it was the case prior to any regulations and the enforcement of said regulations by a government agency.
            If in doubt, just check what some of these companies do in countries where there are no government enforcement agency to stop polluters.
            Katrael, please get real. The people selling you on the ‘regulations’ and it’s enforcement are not necessary are the same people that have polluted other places.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Excuse me. Are you saying you favor getting rid of the EPA because preventing pollution is too coercive, but you’d favor environmental laws requiring the clean-up of pollution if ordered by a Court? Suddenly not afraid of liberal judges defined as any judge not in the pocket of big business? Of course, any such law would have to severely limit damages, restrict standing, and would basically be impotent to do anything. Then, you’d say, see the government can’t do anything.
            Environmental protections need to be strengthened, not weakened. Ironically, the Republicans’ insanity may serve them well. If enough people do not believe Romney says what he means, they may believe he can actually get the Republicans in Congress to do what Obama cannot – act in a rational manner.

          • truesoy

            Jeff, well said. But I think it is poorly understood by Katrael and the likes of he and/or she (I don’t know the gender), and therefore it might be a waste of time trying to explain it.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, do you bother to read your own stuff? If you did you’d have noticed that you contradicted yourself also we aren’t talking about other countries and what US companies do there, we are talking about here and how we deal with them here. I gave you a link to a USA Today article that shows just how effective the EPA is and you didn’t bother to read it. So much for communicating with somebody who only spouts his own rhetoric.

            Yes the EPA is punitive but not just to businesses. Read the USA Today article I posted to you. The courts are where any dispute finally ends even with disputes with the EPA. The problem of fighting with a punitive bureaucracy, like the EPA, is that the little unable to afford the protracted fight against an agency with deep pockets and a case like my son’s friend he goes and borrows the fine of $45,000 because his attorney tells him he can’t afford the cost to fight it.

            If you knew anything about me then you’d know that I don’t love multinational companies. I try to avoid doing business with them. There is no one who is selling me anything about regulations and enforcement. I’ve come to these conclusions on my own after having limited experience with government bureaucracies and the petty people who populate them.

          • shavager

            We need federal oversight regulations passed with Congressional legislation, NOT autonomous agencies like the EPA, Bureau of Land Mgt, etc acting on establishing their OWN rules and enforcement and USURPING Congressional authority. EPA just got slapped down by U.S. Supreme Court for overstepping it’s LEGAL authority after classifying property of a private individual in Idaho using “wetland” description EPA decided on without even establishing any WATER had ever stood on that property or a basis of ANY vegetation EVER existed on that property that grows in a wetland area. For DemocRATS, regulations are MORE CONTROL OVER PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS AND CORPORATIONS, for Conservatives regulations are oversight responsibilities from Congress to respective agencies to PROTECT environment, people and society.

          • Deerinwater

            “Any involvement of the government in any business is a government take over”

            If that’s to be thought of as true, it starts when a sovereignty is declared. I have a hard time seeing the world today void of sovereign nations.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, the nation is sovereign in relation to the rest of the world but not over it’s own people. The government was organized to provide roads, armies and other necessities the people needed but couldn’t provide individually. The people and their businesses were meant to be sovereign over the government and not the other way around. This is still the best way because anything else becomes tyranny. When the government goes from being the servant to being the master then the people become it’s slaves. I have no desire to be Obama’s, the OWG,s, yours or anybody else’s slave. If you want to be a slave come work for me on my farm and I’ll provide you with three hots and a cot but only if you do exactly as I say. Any infraction of the rules will result in the immediate denial of privileges such as eating or using the cot. Thank you for being a good slave and I look forward to your arrival here.

          • Samdromeda

            From what I understand Democracies have a shelf life of approximately 200 years. A people come from slavery to Spiritual Faith. Then they go from spiritual faith to great courage. From great courage they go to abundance. From abundance they progress to selfishness. Then in selfishness there is a progression to complacency. Then in complacency there is a degeneration to dependency. Then dependency leads to bondage. During times of abundance nations tend to be less vigilant and the money changers make moves like a pack of wolves to gain control of the currency of nations and thereby control all commerce and national and individual assets. During the Lincoln administration the central banks were calling for the destruction of The United States because of the use of Greenbacks. America had control of its currency at that time. Towards the end of the Lincoln administration bank notes were accepted as legal tender and eventually fazed out the Greenback. When America controls its currency it is much more responsible to and for itself and is prosperous. In the hands of the central banks we are the goose that laid the golden egg. If this goose lays an egg that is lead and is deemed unprofitable we will find out how loyal the central banks are. They will once again call for our destruction. History will repeat itself only this time we will go into slavery to a nation that we cannot cope with or understand. Wall Street is gradually being replaced with Brussels as the center of international commerce. Chinese Banks are setting up on American soil. Setting up accounts off shore is being replaced by offshore banks moving here. In order to retain their wealth people are doing business here, moving abroad and renouncing their American citizenship thereby avoiding taxes. Having foreign banks on American soil can facilitate this. There is a saying … “A fool and his money are easily separated.” And so it goes with nations that forget the source and terms of their blessings.

          • Deerinwater

            Finally! another mind that sees the same picture that I see! Not confused by all the labels , imaginary boundaries , smoke and mirrors generated to stir emotions of noble self-worth and geographic pride.

            We are what? 247 years into the great experiment of Independence and personal freedom and now grow long in tooth.

            Every generation has it’s own trials and suffering to endure. We’ve had a rich history and made a good go of it. We were there when the rest of the world needed us. We’d been blessed and much to be proud of and thankful for.

            If by chance Americans could someday realize, as go earlier civilizations, there too we also shall go,only then might we avert the inevitable. Too many wish to regress rather then move forward.

            I don’t see this realization happening, not today nor tomorrow. We as a nation of people are not yet mature enough to endure the ravages of time and the change it brings without the willingness to change ourselves. Too many of us are unwilling to do this.

            For something to live, something must die, it has always been so. It doesn’t have to be a sad day if you can break free of your own prison constructed by self ego.

            For myself, I have no interest in wondering around in the wilderness for 40 years , burying the dead along the way, following a mad man as he searches for the land of “milk & honey”. Waiting for the time he gets so feeble and can no longer stand ~ but points a with an arthritic finger saying, “There it is!” “Go forth and take this land for your own, the people that live there won’t mind, You have Gods almighty s commandments and his blessing”

            Just leave me here and go on without me, I’ll be fine. What I have had to do ~ I have done and few things would I change, if i could.

            That’s what this is all about ~ “Change” and the Resistance to change in some hopes of a future, but not really for ourselves but for those we leave behind.

            Thank you “Samdromeda”, you don’t belong here, they will eat you alive if you stay.

            Save your sweet minutes and go away.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, again you prefer to spin fantasies and lies for the truth. Even if the story about Moses is just that, a story, you did a good job of lying about it.

            Deu 34:1 And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And YHWH shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
            Deu 34:2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
            Deu 34:3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
            Deu 34:4 And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
            Deu 34:5 So Moses the servant of YHWH died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of YHWH.
            Deu 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
            Deu 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

            Doesn’t sound to arthritic to me.

            Get your story straight they didn’t follow Moses they followed YHWH:

            Exo_13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
            Exo_13:22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.
            Exo_14:24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,
            Num_14:14 And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou LORD art among this people, that thou LORD art seen face to face, and that thy cloud standeth over them, and that thou goest before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.
            Neh_9:12 Moreover thou leddest them in the day by a cloudy pillar; and in the night by a pillar of fire, to give them light in the way wherein they should go.
            Neh_9:19 Yet thou in thy manifold mercies forsookest them not in the wilderness: the pillar of the cloud departed not from them by day, to lead them in the way; neither the pillar of fire by night, to shew them.

            There was a good reason that they wandered 40 years in the wilderness:

            Num 32:13 And the LORD’S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.

            The children of Israel had agreed to follow YHWH, to trust him and do what he asked but when the time came the cowards that went to check out the land lied about what they encountered there in order to keep the people from going in and possessing the land. I’m not going to give you any more Scripture as I’m fairly sure you won’t read it anyway.

            Are you like those evil men that gave an evil report? Looks to me like your doing that wandering you said you didn’t want to do? It sounds like your life has been a living hell that you want to blame everybody else for?

          • Deerinwater

            I’m sure not buying into any of your crap if that’s what you mean. Go vote your one vote and know you did what you thought was right, ~

            I’m not Jewish ~ while I do enjoy the stories but they were never intended for a believer to see through them and ask the hard questions. ~ These were old stories about real people and real events told by people with a strong bias. Victors seem to be favored best by the telling of history. Losers are not around or just not talking about it.

            This brings us to a close, Thank You, you have achieved in affirmed prior convictions, I had held brighter hopes.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Deerinwater, again I’m not going to let you get away with your double talk and deceptions. What does being “Jewish” have to do with a book of stories? You chose to make references to that book using lies and I merely showed you with actual passages from it that you were wrong. Although you didn’t come right out and say these things came out of the bible. More stock and trade of the devil who weaves lies and deceptions for the purpose of misleading others as most people know who you’re referring to when you mention the land of milk and honey and wandering for forty years in the wilderness.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Samdromeda, I love your comment and can’t find anything to add to it. I agree with your analysis of how things “progress”. Very well said.

          • shavager

            Jeff, don’t start about the W. Bush elections, I live here in Fla.–I can tell YOU–Gore fought 3 different cases in Fla. courts over the recounts–ALL 3 CASES were before Democrat Judges–HE LOST ALL 3 Cases based on Florida VOTER LAWS. Because Gore tried to pick ONLY 3 counties in Fla. that had large DemocRAT vote base–he lost any opportunity for a statewide recount by fighting in court–he could’ve demanded statewide recount–but he was in South Fla. till 4:00 AM election morning-passing out CASH money at an election stop and when votes he thought he’d counted on out of Broward county, Dade and Volusia didn’t show up, he specifically demand a 3 county recount–a DemocRAT controlled Fla. Supreme Court ruled in his favor–but under federal laws the U.S. Supreme Court overruled saying a FULL state recount was LEGAL–Fla courts could NOT give preference to ballots in just 3 counties over voters in other counties. By every RECOUNT involved by major news media–BUSH WON RECOUNT EVERY TIME. Gore’s strategy was to CHANGE definition of a vote based on whether “chads” from paper ballots were dimpled, hanging by one corner as a means of “reading” the voter’s minds who cast the ballots. It was a strategy later EXPOSED as a MANUEVER by DemocRAT Lawyers to “mine” votes from ballots that could NOT be determined what the voter’s choice was.

          • shavager

            Amen Brother, OWEbumbler’s National Defense Authorization Act was just ruled ILLEGAL before a federal judge–it gave him authority to use military to detain U.S. citizens indefinitely. He’s lost 3 CONSECUTIVE pro-union cases before federal judges and his healthcare will go down in flames next month at the Supreme Court. Most likely his lawsuit against Arizona’s immigration laws will lose–America is made of 50 INDIVIDUAL sovereign states operating under a federal Constitution, no way Supreme Court will deny states the right to protect their citizens from immigration problems that are costing America $246 BILLION PER YEAR. California alone pays $10.2 BILLION PER YEAR–that’s why they are 16 BILLION in DEBT, why 51 hospitals in that state have CLOSED in past 4-5 years from ILLEGAL immigrant medical services.

  • jawjuhdad

    I am voting for the American, just like the last time!!

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      Me too! Which one are you voting for?

  • Independent thinker

    The Republicans always run on the race issue. That is how they scare ignorant white voters, into voting for the party that has more whites in it than people of all races. And even GG says, Blacks who vote for Obama have visors on and refuse to objectively evaluate Obama’s agenda. He must have cost a pretty penny to dig him or her up.

    • shavager

      You are either BLIND ignorant of facts or just spewing LIES to cover up YOUR candidate’s failed economy and penchant for class warfare and race baiting. Occupy Wall Street around the country and union thugs in Madison, Wisc. have caused MILLIONS of untold damages to city, state, private properties across the U.S.–Tea Party had over a MILLION attendees at DC protest in ’09–ZERO arrests, ZERO damage, VERY LITTLE if any TRASH to cleanup-they cleaned up behind themselves. Occupy radicals spewed racial epithets, vulgar language, anti-semitic views, raped victims, open drug use, attacked law enforcement and citizens–while Tea Party groups and Conservatives have ZERO arrests of their members. It’s leftwing radicals that attacked Tea Party members in St. Louis, in California and make threats to media or political leaders–remember GABBY GIFFORDS? YOU can make all your worthless comments but the FACTS are staring everyone in the face about WHO is dangerous to freedom and liberty–OWEbumbler and his supporters like the New Black Panthers who intimidated and threatened voters in the ’08 elections and are threatening “race” war in this election cycle. BIRDS OF A FEATHER, BUBBA, BIRDS OF A FEATHER-FLOCK TOGETHER.

      • Jeff

        Isn’t it hard to use a keyboard with your arms in a straight jacket?

        • vieteravet

          What have Onumnuts policies done for you? He’s wasted more money in three years than Bush did in eight!

          • Deerinwater

            http://mercatus.org/publication/spending-under-president-george-w-bush

            “During his eight years in office, President Bush oversaw a large increase in government spending. In fact, President Bush increased government spending more than any of the six presidents preceding him, including LBJ. In his last term in office, President Bush increased discretionary outlays by an estimated 48.6 percent.

            During his eight years in office, President Bush spent almost twice as much as his predecessor, President Clinton. Adjusted for inflation, in eight years, President Clinton increased the federal budget by 11 percent. In eight years, President Bush increased it by a whopping 104 percent.

            One reason offered for these large budget increases is that entitlement programs are growing rapidly. Although Social Security and Medicare spending growth outpaced most other programs in the mid-1990s, spending growth in discretionary programs has accelerated in the last 15 years, especially during Bush’s two terms. Between FY2002 and FY2009, discretionary spending rose 96 percent.”

          • vieteravet

            Okay, I agree that Bush was progressive lite, but Onumnuts went viral. When Bush was in, social security was solvent until 2042. Recent GOA accounts state we are down to 2030 thanks to socialist and chief!

          • shavager

            Yeah, and a HUGE amount of that spending was under DemocRAT controlled Congress. Bush was NOT a real conservative, he had some conservative views but on social spending and programs, immigration was moderate to liberal. Running up debt cost the establishment RINO’s Congress, that’s EXACTLY what happened to OWEbumbler in ’10 elections with more members of Congress REMOVED from office than anytime in recent HISTORY by Tea Party groups and Conservatives who OVERTURNED DemocRAT House control—read YOUR Constitution–ALL SPENDING BILLS must start in the House–Article 1 Section 7: “ALL Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives”. It’s adamant that Americans get CONTROL OVER SPENDING/DEBT if we want a future of a solvent country and not a BANKRUPT NATION indebted and under control of international banks, World Bank, IMF and U.N. which would end our national borders and sovereignty–WHO CONTROLS THE MONEY CONTROLS YOU.

          • Deerinwater

            http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2011/07/bush-vs-obama-on-spending-its-no.html

            “Nothing unites Republicans quite like the unshakable belief that Barack Obama has become the Carrie Bradshaw of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, unable to stop himself from frittering away ridiculous sums of money on frivolous things. But what Republicans never mention when railing against Obama’s alleged fiscal recklessness is how much money he has spent, and what exactly he’s spent it on.

          • vieteravet

            So you’re saying the debt is a conservative conspiracy? He has done nothing for the middle class. But he has started a class war. I never got a job from a poor person.

          • Deerinwater

            “I never got a job from a poor person.”

            Really? So are you implying that a Top does not rest on a bottom? That the TOP just hovers in the air without any support?

            That the Rich can be Rich without the poor?

            I suggest to you, that it is the poor that makes the very existence of your job possible. The Rich man is only working inside a created supply and demand and you kiss the wrong a$$ and sing his praises, worshiping a false god.

            okay, a little over the top ~ but you get my drift. You’ve got your cart in front of your horse.

          • vieteravet

            Once the guy with the funding and the plan, starts the business, he hires workers and we help build the business. I don’t know where you went to college, but you must not have a degree in business. You could be one of those nasty union workers.

          • truesoy

            vieteravet.,

            I don’t what you have against labor unions, or why, but:
            1) as a worker/employee you are enjoying the 8 hours work week because unions fought for it, even if you are not a member.
            2) overtime pay is another labor union fought for worker’s benefit that you also enjoy.
            3) because of labor unions, workers were able to price/value their labor accordingly, just like shops price their a products. This helped everyone, including you. During this period of increased union membership/representation we experienced a major growth in the middle class.
            4) labor unions were major contributors in the fight against child labor.
            Yes, there has been some shortcomings in the labor unions, but overall it has been a positive experience for the people of this country, no matter what you say, or what those who programmed you think about it.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Witsend

            truesoy,
            This is what I have against unions. They just are never satisfied with what they have accomplished. They continue to push for more, more, more – even when they already have all they should need or want.

          • Jeff

            Sounds like Bain Capital. Funny how when rich guys try to take every nickel they can get, it’s capitalism. When workers do it at the bargaining table, it’s evil or communist, or . . . .

          • truesoy

            It’s the two standards systems. Just like when the banks make all the profits, defied regulations and avoid paying taxes its called free market capitalism. But when they lose it’s called ‘socialized loses’, for taxpayers bails them out.
            In other words, these people have made an art out of burning the candle from both ends.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • shavager

            It was the American Communist Party who said “infiltrate and gain control over unions” as part of their 43 step plan to establish communist govt in America. Current unions CONTROL their members, use their influence at top leadership to push socialist candidates in DemocRAT party for DC elections. Andy Stern, former SEIU union president visited the OWEbumbler WHouse more than anyone in past year, former SEIU union leader Steven Lerner: “destabilize the folks in power, destabilize banks, encourages home owners to REFUSE to pay mortgages to collapse banking and mortgage industry.” He advocates collapsing the stock market. Richard Trumpka of the AFL-CIO, another who has OWEbumbler’s ear is a THUG, period. OWEbumbler is actually creating UNEMPLOYMENT, using unions as a “bottom up” rallying force to encourage what Frances Fox Piven says is create a “pyschological transformation” to turn the anger of the unemployed from themselves to their “bosses, the politicians, the system”. OWEbumbler attended conferences with FF Piven where she advocated COLLAPSING AMERICA under HUGE WELFARE DEBT–U.S. HAS HIGHEST WELFARE, FOODSTAMPS in U.S. HISTORY under OWEbumbler. Looks like his plan to “fundamentally transform” America is working–from a prosperous nation of individual initiative, ambition, liberties to a govt. controlled society, socialist society of debt, corruption and collapse.

          • truesoy

            Witsend,
            What you perceived as asking for more and more, in most cases what the Union is doingas of lately, is fighting to keep what they already.
            There is an anti-union agenda, you could say is an ongoing war against labor from certain interest groups and they have enlisted the republican establishment as their ‘proxy’; and they are only too happy to comply.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, labor unions cant grant anything to anybody and that includes an 8 hour work day. Labor unions can only be a force to coerce benefits from business on behalf of it’s members. This could be a form of thuggery and it often turns into that.

            An 8 hour work day? I don’t know about you but I’ve not had that kind of a day in decades and I don’t believe that the majority of people actually enjoy that? I will admit that I need to do some research on this but that will have to wait until later today as I have work to tend to. Until then have a good day.

          • truesoy

            Labor Unions contracts stipulating the price of labor is no more coercion that a business setting up the price of their products.
            However, I’m not oblivious that at times labor unions have abused their power to negotiate, specially when a business might not have the resources. And this is not any more just when a business do the same.
            I gather by your previous postings that you are a small business owner that seems to value the contribution of your employees. And if this is the case, I’m quite surprise to think you might not support the health care reform. It is a plus for business, especially for the small business and their employees.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, you said, “Labor Unions contracts stipulating the price of labor is no more coercion that a business setting up the price of their products.” First off, this sentence is not properly constructed but I do get you’re meaning. Yes labor unions always resort to force to get their way. What do you think a strike is all about? A strike or the threat of a strike sends the message that “we will shut down your operations unless or until you meet our demands.” Sounds like coercion to me.

            I don’t support health care reform for four good reasons: First it will finish bankrupting this country, secondly it will force people to accept a government sponsored monopoly thirdly, I’ve seen people who are a part of this type of system that is proposed(medicaide, medicare, tricare). I understand that VA medical services are often substandard and people who rely on the other government programs often resort to going to a doctor for trivial matters and they do so because they don’t have to pay for those services out of their pocket. Last, for now, the government sponsored monopoly will have to severely restrict services and physician’s wages in order to keep the system under financial control (if that’s even possible) Do you really want some doctor cutting on you who is more worried about how much he’s not getting paid for all of the hard work he had to put out to become a doctor in the first place?

          • truesoy

            Katrael,
            I respect your opinion on the issue, but if you are going to oppose something you should do it based on fact.
            Will doctors be told by the government how much they will get pay for care provided? Most likely, about the same as the insurance company now tell doctors how much they’ll get pay. Or do you think insurance companies pay whatever a doctor charges?.
            There is a reason why insurance policies have a clause stating that they will pay ‘whats reasonable, usual and customary for the geographical area”.
            You sold insurance, you should know that.
            You should also know that insurance companies sell you a product that only generates a ‘profit’ when the purchaser of such product does not use the product. This is unlike any other business where the buyer has to use the product in order for the producer to profit.
            Katrael, let me ask you: if UPS and FedEx made their money on packages not delivered, would you use their services? No, you woldn’t, because you are not stupid. So, why would you do it on your health?.
            A for profit system of health care (insurance provided) is not a good ‘deal’ for the consumer for numerous reasons.
            There is nothing wrong with an ‘universal health care system’ or a ‘public option’ where the people decide which plan they want:. a true competitive choice.
            Maybe that’s what the Obama administration should go for.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, yes the government dictates what it pays to the doctors. It doesn’t yet dictate what a private individual pays or what an insurance company pays…at least not yet but it’s coming. PS I read your comment about insurance and much of it I agree with. Be advised that health care reform by the government is the government meddling in private business. You may not like it that an insurance company can change different rates for different areas but that’s legal and it is correct. The government has no business meddling in private businesses policies. You don’t have to sign a contract with any company who’s rates you don’t agree with. Just thought that you’d like to know that.

            Yes an insurance company can do business in all fifty states as long as they comply with each states laws which vary state to state. That’s what I said.

            The future of my health care is in my hands and that’s where it belongs. I make the decisions of what I want done and nobody else should have a say in it. I can accept or reject any treatment offered to me and that is my right. Any body who is not proactive about their health has to rely on somebody else and that’s their decision to make not the government. Obama’s health care reform is a monstrous thing that I don’t want any part of.

          • vieteravet

            Truesoy never lived in Europe or close to the Canadian border, the middle class Canadians came to North Dakota to get cancer treatment and major surgeries. Ask them; gov’t health care sucks!

          • truesoy

            vieteravet,

            I know is a long response, but please, read it. Thank you.

            I’ve met people from Canada, and they have a different picture you have. true their is not perfect, but it works well. There are instances when people from Canada would come to the U.S., for cosmetic procedures, these folks have the money to pay out of pocket and therefore they could avoid the wait, as it was the case of one price ‘premier, a couple of years ago, thereby creating a ‘frenzy’ in ‘I told you so’ from the ‘right wing’; overlooking the fact that this was a selective surgical procedure, not a medically necessary one, and though required some wait, it was covered under their national plan, unlike in the U.S. where that type of procedure is not .by the insurance companies.
            I’ve seen the british laugh when they hear about us saying they have to pull their own teeth with a pair of pliers because the wait to see a dentist there is so longgggggggg!.
            One thing though, Obama was giving us a choice. He offer the ‘public option’ for those who wanted it, and for those like you had the choice to stay within the insurance system. But republicans opposed that, so much for freedom of choice.
            Funny how conservatives frown on anything government, except when they want to tell the rest of us how to live.
            An ‘universal plan’ and/or a ‘public option’ is the perfect solution. All that is is ‘the collective financial effort of the people to be self-insured’ and have ‘their government’ as the plan administrator.
            This would be similar to what the large corporations do. They self-insured with a designated plan administrator. This way they can exercise better control over the plan and save money.
            I’m somewhat puzzle by your concern of a ‘government bureaucrat’ presiding over your healthcare, while at the same time you defend an ‘insurance bureaucrat’ presiding over yout healthcare. Way to go, vieteravet.
            You fail to understand that an insurance company only motivation is to make a ‘profit’, and in the health care field this is contray to the insured’s interest. Lets take a look at why:
            1) If I was selling you a ‘product’ you need very much, but I told you in order for you to use it you’d have to accept several pre-conditions (you’ll find them in the ‘exclusions and limitations in the back of your policy). And that you’ll also pay me a monthly premium, whether you use the product or not.
            2) I also have the right to cancel you out, at anytime (you cost too much money, etc. Although I wont tell you that).
            3) I also have the right to refuse payments to providers and/or not cover or discontinue coverage for certain medications.
            4 I also have the right to not approve any medical procedure that I might considered not part of covered charges, and/or considered to be experimental as per our policy.
            5) and any claims paid to medical providers will be based on what I consider reasonable, usual, and customary for the geographical area. Any differences in amount of payments, you are responsible for it.
            6) I will not sell my product to anyone with a pre-existing medical condition, except to some members of a large employer group.
            7) and you have no recourse.
            And you know why insurance works this way?., because they onlymake money when you don’t use their product.
            Tell me, would you use the services from UPS and/or FedEX if they could only make a profit on packages NOT delivered?. No. You wouldn’t.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy
            And do you knoe why

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            vieteravet, I believe you are right about truesoy’s experience. My own experience with this Canadian health care system is limited to what I read and an experience of a Canadian friend of mine. He went to his Canadian doctor concerning a persistent cough. The doctor ran some tests and determined that he had lung cancer. Six months later they re-diagnosed his condition to be tuberculous and placed him under quarantine all the while withholding any real treatment and this went on for over a year. He had a doctor friend in New York that he sent copies of his files to including Xrays and this doctor was appalled at the Canadian governments lack of action. This seems to be what we can expect from Obama Care.

          • truesoy

            Katrael;
            You have the same misconception most other people have about insurance, but in your case I’m surprise because you said you have sold insurance before.
            You are mistaken if you think the future of your ‘health/health care is in your hands’. Although in the majority of cases this is true, there are many intances it is not necessarilly so.
            I understand, correct me if I’m wrong, that you are, or run a small business. So I’m going to use you as an example:
            a) lets say that you present carrier drops you for whatever reasons, and that you have a long running pre-existing medical condition. Now what?
            b) at this point you’ll find yourself uninsurable at worse, and at best you’ll end up with a policy, (if lucky enough) that ‘excludes’ any coverage for your medical condition, or anything that will arise as a result of such condition. In other words you are still not covered, but will be paying through the nose for ‘irrelevant’ protection.
            c)you get the picture, don’t you? the insurance companies (a private entity on which you have no control) is making decisions about your health. Yes Katrel, your life and health is/ was in their hands and they ‘dropped you’. And now what?
            Well you could do either: 1.– get loans on your business (very hard to do), or most likey get a second on your home to cover medical and hospital bills, and when that runs out and you have no business nor home, apply for ‘government assistance’ (medicaid). But if you don’t, when you get to County (the only place that will probably see you) they’ll put you in the system. Or 2..- get rid off all you have (there been cases like that), and claim you are destitute, and apply for social services.
            Regardless of how you do it, the taxpayers are going to foot the bill. It is that simple.
            I hope you get the picture, do you?

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, is your name Janus? This sounds like double talk to me, ‘You are mistaken if you think the future of your ‘health/health care is in your hands’. Although in the majority of cases this is true,” How do you know where I fall in the scheme of things? In a sense I’m wrong about my options under Obama Care. I can choose to ignore any Obama Care legislation that might be passed as long as I’m willing to suffer the consequences. For this reason my health care will always be in my hands and not in the hands of the government or the insurance companies. This is the right of all free people.

          • truesoy

            Katrael;
            Although it is true your healthcare is ‘always’ in your hand as to whether to have a plan, or do without it, the minute you buy protection from the insurance company you have delegated that choice to them.
            However I do agree with you that it is your right as a free person to choose to do without Obamacare, too, if that is what you want. But it is also the right of free people to collectively self-insured and have their government as the plan administrator, without interference from any one sector of society.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, you said, “Katrael; Although it is true your healthcare is ‘always’ in your hand as to whether to have a plan, or do without it, the minute you buy protection from the insurance company you have delegated that choice to them.” Again your logic is faulty. Even if I chose to buy an insurance policy for my health protection doesn’t mean that I have to use it or do as they demand. I can always choose to follow an alternative form of medicine if I don’t feel that they will pay for the choices I make.

          • Dave

            You mentioned “control from any sector of society” – and this presents a Pandora’s box of possibilities.

          • Deerinwater

            “Even if I chose to buy an insurance policy for my health protection doesn’t mean that I have to use it or do as they demand. I can always choose to follow an alternative form of medicine if I don’t feel that they will pay for the choices I make.”

            I believe that is their hope and long term goal, for your to “not” use it and buy a bucket of leeches instead.

          • shavager

            Truesoy, OWEbumbler care is NOT free to opt out of, YOU as an individual will be FINED if YOU don’t particpate by paying into the program under the MANDATE, FINED MORE if YOU still choose NOT to participate. Employers will PAY FINES OF $2000 PER EMPLOYEE for not providing healthcare benefits, with the thousands of dollars INCREASE in costs of providing healthcare for employees, it would be cheaper for them to PAY FINES instead of participating. It will DRIVE PRIVATE COMPANIES OUT OF BUSINESS completing a TOTAL HEALTHCARE TAKEOVER by federal government. They can’t OPERATE federal govt. at a profitable level or even break even, they can’t operate the Post Office and show profit, Amtrak is billions in the RED, Medicare and Medicaid are HUGE DEBT ridden programs, Social Security is billions in the RED–national govt. in DC is a huge financial disaster because they DON’T SPEND THEIR MONEY, THEY SPEND YOURS–WHY would any American want to to give them MORE control over YOUR LIFE?

          • Jeff

            I guess there is a third option open to at least a few on this blog – plead insanity.
            What I have not seen addressed is the Republican mantra: Repeal and replace! Replace with what? If republicans had been willing to enact any healthcare legislation in the past 40 years, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. We know that w/o this Act, healthcare costs will soon reach 20% of GDP. The rest of the civilized world spends half that and gets better results at the bottom end. We probably get better results at the top end, so the ultimate solution will have to be some sort of two-tiered system guaranteeing a decent level of care for citizens while the Romneys of the world will still be able to pay for their hemorrhoids to be removed with magic tweezers.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Jeff, if nobody can afford the health care system we have now then how will it be possible for this country to afford to pay for a universal health care system that will rapidly outgrow our nations ability to provide consistent long term care which is the most expensive care there is? People will spend more for health care in the last thirty days of their life than they will the have spent up until then. How will this new system manage to stay solvent? By cutting a doctor’s, nurses and other support personnel’s salaries and wages? How about by denying access to expensive diagnostic equipment and procedures? The only way that the system will be able to afford it is to deny care. People don’t become more frugal with things that don’t cost them out of pocket so I see a flood of people abusing the system for minor ailments that will go away on their own. I’ve seen this with people who already have access to taxpayer’s money for their healthcare.

            We rely too much on doctors for disease. A doctor is a great person to turn to for trauma.

          • Jeff

            The point is that people just like us get sick in Western Europe, too, They are just as concerned about recovering and surviving, but they spend approximately half what we do in terms of % of GDP. So, why does a universal system have to cost more than what we have now?
            As an example (a bit off the point but illustrative), did we pay more or less for food service in the military in WWII or in Iraq? In WWII we had soldiers doing KP. Now, we pay Halliburton billions to do it poorly. If Gov’t workers had been involved in the Halliburton screw-ups over water, etc., half the people on this blog would take it as fact that anything the gov’t touches gets ruined.
            It ain’t necessarily so.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Jeff, I can’t say why Europe’s health care system appears to be cheaper? It could be that they allow a broader range of treatments between allopathic and holistic medicine or that they deny benefits more often or that they don’t have a sue happy population that drives costs up or that their populations don’t always turn to the doctors for treatment and know how to care for many things themselves or that they don’t have to pay as much for their medicines? I don’t know I’m only familiar with this countries allopathic system. I believe that comparing both systems to make a point is a mistake. You need to focus on what happens here and how we go about solving problems.

            A thought comes to mind: our country was at one time the wealthiest nation on earth and people would demand the best that money could buy. In a free or a semi free market society this would tend to cause the prices for things to go up. Doctors earned more, especially specialists because they had reputations and there was no limit to how much people could spend or no limit to what a doctor could charge. This would seem to be an argument for government control but it’s not. A market will always adjust itself to supply and demand.

            An example that I know of personally: I know a couple who both are GP’s that operate three clinics. One of those clinics I built and that clinic opened it’s doors to all people without the need for an appointment; it was a walk in clinic where it was first come first served except for emergencies. It only took a couple of months before the clinic was always busy. Why? Because this one clinic didn’t accept insurance, medicare or medicaid all transactions were paid by cash, check or credit card after treatment. This clinics rates were one half to two thirds cheaper than his other clinics because he didn’t have to satisfy a government bureaucracy. My friend told me that after almost a year that his profit margin for this walk in clinic was substantially higher than his other clinics.

            Who would pay cash if they didn’t have to? People who didn’t have insurance or who had workers comp they didn’t want to report injuries to and many of these workers comp people were the ones who were self employed and had to carry workers comp to be able to work many jobs that required they be covered. Some of these people would have to pay 1/3 to 1/2 of their gross receipts but usually only 10 to 15 percent, for coverage…people like roofers and arborists. Their rates go up according to the number of accidents reported so it makes sense to go to a doctor and pay cash. I’ll just bet that Obama Care would kill this man’s walk in clinic?

          • shavager

            Jeff, outside George Soros, the American Trial Lawyers and associated groups are the LARGEST providers of donations to DemocRAT Party and the DemocRATS have BLOCKED Tort Reform for years on their behalf–forcing hopitals and doctors to protect themselves with duplicative tests and scans to prevent lawsuits–lawsuits that DON’T cover legal expenses of those hospitals and doctors who aren’t guilty of any mistakes. DemocRATS also won’t agree to give citizens rights to purchase hospitalization insurance in other states as a larger pool of competition–forget about companies that have nationwide agencies, you still can’t buy from any company that DOES NOT have representatives in YOUR state. There have been numerous attempts to REFORM healthcare in DC but OWEbumbler’s plan will crush private insurers under costs and put federal government in complete control under a single payer system OWNED and OPERATED by bureaucrats of DC govt. It will have a TRILLION dollar increase in DEBT every year over the next TEN years.

          • Jeff

            Bumbler:

            I find your typing very difficult to read. If you choose to purchase insurance from a state w/o an insurance commissioner, good luck. There is no need to have a race to the bottom. What is the point of California having standards so unregulated insurance companies can’t cheat people if CA citizens can get ripped off buying worthless insurance from a company in a southern state that doesn’t believe in regulation?

          • shavager

            Jeff, yeah, I knew ya’ll wouldn’t like that idea of purchasing hospitalization insurance in other states–poor coverage, no insurance commissioners, etc. FYI: EVERY SOUTHERN STATE has an Insurance Commissioner in those states. The larger populated states are likely to have more competition,it’s called SHOP AROUND to get the best opportunities! Free markets means COMPETITION, citizens should check those states better business bureaus for complaints, Insurance Commissioner’s office for suggestions and information.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            truesoy, you said, “There is nothing wrong with an ‘universal health care system’…” this I totally disagree with because universal indicates that it applies to everyone and that is coercion. “…or a ‘public option’ where the people decide which plan they want:. a true competitive choice.” This I may agree with. “Maybe that’s what the Obama administration should go for.” I don