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Racing Past Justice

March 27, 2012 by  

Racing Past Justice
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Protesters hold up signs as Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, parents of slain teenager Trayvon Martin, speak at the Million Hoodie March in Union Square In New York City.

Like most of you, I was only dimly aware of the existence of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin before last week. And like most of you, my familiarity with the two of them was limited to the bare bones of the case: Some guy shot and killed another guy who was wandering around inside a gated community, and the cops decided against pressing charges against the shooter because no evidence existed to counter his claim that he acted in self-defense. Figuring there was little more to the story—and considering Florida’s enactment of the “stand your ground” law which allows citizens to face down attackers with deadly force instead of running like scared bunnies—I didn’t give the case of Zimmerman and Martin much more attention.

And then, the Democrats—led by President Barack Obama—not only stepped into the fray; they stepped on a political land mine. As the usual vultures descended on Sanford, Fla., to turn what still appears to be a case of self-defense into a race war, something important disappeared behind the veil of liberal hate: justice.

I don’t know much about either Zimmerman or Martin. George Zimmerman, neighborhood watch captain and apparent newest target for hate groups like the Nation of Islam and the oddly ubiquitous New Black Panther Party, is a Hispanic man who may or may not have been acting in self-defense. Meanwhile, Trayvon Martin may or may not have attacked Zimmerman and precipitated his own demise. Zimmerman might be a loose-cannon type who ventured in search of blood and found it; or he might be an everyman hero who rid the planet of another dangerous predator. Martin might have been the next Clarence Thomas or Allen West; or he might have been the next Derek Bell or Al Sharpton. Unfortunately, the liberal swarm which has invaded the Sunshine State didn’t bother to find out before they rushed to judgment.

Now, instead of the measured response demanded by these same liberals when Troy Davis zeroed out at the tables, we’re treated to left wing blowhards—most of whom are whiter than Sunday at The Masters®—turning rhetorical cartwheels in an effort to make race the only discussion.

The self-serving attempts by some to insert race into this tragedy (and it IS a tragedy—for everyone involved) is particularly odious. A young black man is dead, killed by a Hispanic man who may or may not have been acting in self-defense. That’s ALWAYS terrible; for the shooter and the “shootee” alike. What everyone seems to forget when they turn these cases into public referenda is that both are PEOPLE; with families and friends.

Whether it’s vile parasites like MSNBC shock-talker Al Sharpton trying to make this into a black-white skirmish (which it can’t be, since Zimmerman is neither), buffoons like Geraldo Rivera somehow linking it to “hoodies” (which isn’t a far cry from “Of course she got raped; look at how she was dressed!”), the always-ridiculous New Black Panther Party placing a $10,000 dead or alive “bounty” on Zimmerman’s head (which introduces an interesting point: if the liberal concern in this case is about a lack of response by the justice system, then why do liberals remain silent on the lack of response by the justice system to terroristic threats from a known hate group?) or Obama guaranteeing race would overshadow right when he stated: “You know, if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.”

Actually, if Obama had a son, I suspect he’d have bigger ears. But what the hell does that even mean? Does Obama mean to suggest that they would look alike because Martin was black (unlike the President, who is only 50 percent black)? Did the President of the United States just suggest that all black people look alike?

If George Zimmerman acted in self-defense, then Trayvon Martin’s race is inconsequential. And if Zimmerman is some idiot cowboy—well, that’s homicide—and we have remedies for that, too. As a good and wise friend of mine—who is not only a defense lawyer but also a committed Democrat suggested: “Let the law apply itself.”

-Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Sirian

    Is this the only incident that has occurred within the past month that could be rushed to judgement on? Probably not. It simply was picked as a winner at this point in time so as to be used to the advantage of Obummer and his clan of “useful idiots”. Run the race card, disrupt the lingering lack of racial unrest, “take advantage of a crisis”. Blow it way out of proportion so as to maintain a devoted loyalty to Obummer by the general black population. With Obummers comment on the matter – would this not help secure that voter block? Yes, it quite easily would. This may possibly end in the same manner as what happened with the Duke team accused of rape. If evidence warrants an arrest and trial – so be it. As Ben’s friend said – “Let the law apply itself” – simple as that.

    • Flo

      Exactly. With a name like “Zimmerman,” who would have imagined the guy was Hispanic? Otherwise, a perfect pick to fan the racial devide in Ovomits favor.

      • Rhonda

        Its really not about Prseident Obama and his comments, it amazes me that no matter what it comes back to being Obama’s fault, next you people will be accusing the man of creating cancer and aids you certainly accuse him of every other wrong in the world.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Branded969 Vic Bailey

        The blacks must be low on Big Screens and sofas, they haven’t burned down a city in a while! So they had to have something to mstart the destruction. Just like a bunch of Animals! They then wonder why they live in slums? Wake up America get Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson mouths duct taped SHUT, they are just out to spread misery to the people and dollars to themselves.
        I don’t see the bastards in Chicago trying to stop all the killings up there, where there 10 killed and 49 wonded over the weekend. Where is the outrage there, NONE, it’s black on black! Let’s ban some more guns so the criminals can be free to kill twice that many!!!!
        Semper Fi.

        • Rhonda

          You are a racist from you very soul and I feel very sorry for you.

      • eddie47d

        Thank you Rhonda for saving me the time to say it.

      • Robert Smith

        Seems to me that when the police dispatcher said pretty much back off that’s what he should have done.

        But nooooooo, he pressed onward.

        Sheesh, where’s the common sense in this?

        Rob

      • Flashy

        Difficult to imagine self defense when he followed the kid. Anyone believe if the kid shot Zimmerman, the situation would have been treated the same?

        You give allowances to pack a gun in public, some idiot will use it. And y’all will be crying about gun rights as the backlash erupts. Packing armor in public is not what the 2nd is about.

      • Penny R. Freeman

        Flo you are right that Zimmerman’s name doesn’t designate his race. As I understand it the liberal talking heads have even ignored the fact he is Hispanic and called him white, just one more way to restore that racial hatred mantra. Rhonda, no I don’t think everything falls back on the shoulders of Obama, but he;s certainly not one to miss ANY opportunity to play an event to his favor. Have you not noticed how he plays up the class warfare? What about the way his backers played the race card to push him into the Democrat nomination over Clinton, afterall that had to be “an historic election because there would be either a black or a woman president?” Why didn’t the DOJ follow through with the case against the new black panther party of voter fraud after Holder came into office as the U.S. ag when that case had already been proven and that group found guilty? But reverse racism isn’t ever a concern is it? Why is it never an issue when blacks murder each other and neglect their children to the point of destroying their future or inadvertently causing their death? I guess that falls under the “it’s ok if we do it to each other, but it’s horrible if it’s white against black?” My daughter lives in a neighbor so totally openly violent and gang dominated that the police won’t even respond to calls. Police in the city have even been caught selling drugs out of their own patrol cars. I have quit watching the local news because about 20 minutes of every 30 minute broadcast is devoted to the various crimes committed in the city, almost all of them black against black. Isn’t there a reason for that to cause outrage in the black community? No because it’s black against black, not white against black. No I’m not a black person, I am white. I was taught as a child that prejudice is wrong. Thanks to my mother’s teaching I now have friends of various races, the majority of which are black. And the black friends I have I respect more than a lot of my former white coworkers, but in thes eyes of blacks like you I have to be an evil white prejudiced person because I live in Mississippi. Grow up and quit looking at everything from the slanted view that EVERY white person is prejudiced and any act that doesn’t favor a black when a white is involved is the white prejudiced person’s act based on racism. Why aren’t you angry that the hate mongers, the new black panther party, have put a bounty on the head of Zimmerman? Wouldn’t you be outraged if that happened to a black? Now who’s prejudiced? You expect equal treatment under the law and to be respected, but only when it applies to blacks. Is that equal? Isn’t that prejudice on your part? Why is it ok to apply reverse racism when it works to the favor of a black, but it’s not ok to if there’s even the possiblity that an act is based on racial prejudiced by a white to wait for justice to be served? If Obama hasn’t shown prejudice and jumped in the fray to help heat up the racial tension even more why did he make the comments he did showing no call for the public to wait for justice to be served? Where’s Holder’s concern about the new black panther party’s hate mongering and the bounty they’ve placed on Zimmerman’s head? Is that the way the DOJ is supposed to work? Isn’t it just as illegal for a group to call for the death of a white as it would be for a white to call for the death of a black?

      • eddie47d

        Penny: It sure looks like you are playing on the racial issue yourself. Most of my relatives who live in Florida (Sarasota) are Zimmerman’s and they are as white as can be. Hispanics are quite often referred to as white and the Zimmerman in the story has been mentioned as having Puerto Rican decent several times on the news. I do notice how you are playing up class warfare though and my wife is of Spanish/Mexican/Indian decent. This issue is about the injustice in how the case was shoved under the rug without due process. I think you would want the same for yourself or loved one. The New Black Panther case has been settled after all the evidence was presented. It is time to move on with that past issue. When it comes to death threats I personally signed an online petition condemning them for making such a claim. Although it was the new Black Militia Party that said that not the Panthers. Information does get messy in the “fog of war”. I don’t care who is doing the attacking whether a white guy black guy or even the police. If what I see or hear is wrong then that person needs to be accountable for his actions. The police did not handle this case appropriately,Zimmerman disobeyed an order and instead played wanna be heroic cowboy and maybe Martin was a smart alick teenager. That is why the courts should have handled it instead of the outrage being played out in the media.

      • http://Aol CommonSense4America

        Flashy,,,the 2nd amendment is ALL about defending yourself. Both on a personal level and from a totally out of control government. I can’t run as fast as I used too, I can’t fight as hard as I used too, but I can still shoot, If need be. I WILL stand my ground. I will not retreat. I also will NOT pursue and shoot.

      • Flashy

        Commonsense…i have previously stated my support for the 2nd and included in that support my belief, and i would believe that of the SCOTUS should it be called upon to decide a case based on the 2nd…that it is not, nor was it ever, intended for “personal’ rights of packing armor for self defense.

        Funny how people on this site scream about “the intent of the Founding fathers’…yet, when it comes down to a position which shows that the “intent” may not be what they want..it’s no longer relevant.

        Think of the times when the Constitution and the bill of Rights were written. Crime wasn’t exactly paramount on their minds. Being able to raise arms against aggression by another nation or government was. And that is the reason for the 2nd.

        packing armor in public? insane. Using a gun? I would say you should be arrested and charged..and be able to have as an affirmative defense there was no other escape possible and your life (or that of your loved ones) was in danger.

        • RichW

          Flashy, That’s an extraordinarily narrow definition and mis-interpretation of history. The Founding Fathers didn’t think it was necessary to include self-defense as part of the 2nd Amendment for the simple reason that it’s purely a late 20th century perversion that maintains that personal self-defense is not an ordained right. In 1785 almost everyone packed either a sidearm or steel. Trifle with a gentleman on the streets of any American town or city in that time frame and, if he didn’t shoot you, he’d pull cold steel and run you through. It’s only with the rise of the modern left-wing pro-slavery movement in the past 50 years or so that self-defense has become anathema. Now, you’re expected, as you state so eloquently, to surrender your life, and the lives of your loved ones, to the Trayvon Martins of the world.

          Not me, but you go right ahead.

      • Vicki

        Rhonda writes

        next you people will be accusing the man (Obama) of creating cancer and aids you certainly accuse him of every other wrong in the world.

        Hmm. I think you have confused Obama with Bush. According to liberals Bush did every wrong in the world. Just ask them.

      • absolutely amazed

        Read Vic below of you want to see a real piece of work!! What kind of human being can say things like he says – close to sub-human, I would opine. It is certainly alarming how those guns Rand Paul says everyone should have (except for those certain types of people he would NOT like to have guns) have been used these past few months. I see a real move toward vigilantism of the type this now threatened nation moved away from these past decades. Back to 1840, Vic and your fellow travellers – that is where you want to take us.

      • Vicki

        Lets ask the founding fathers about individual self defense
        ” To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.
        —John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)

        John Adams recognizes the fundamental right of citizens, as individuals, to defend themselves with arms, however he states militias must be controlled by government and the rule of law. To have otherwise is to invite anarchy. ”
        http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndfqu.html
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        Arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well as property.

        – Thomas Paine, Writings of Thomas Paine, M. Conway, ed., 1894.
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        A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walk.

        – Thomas Jefferson, Foley, ed., Encyclopedia of Thomas Jefferson, p. 318.
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        http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/firearms/quotes/founders.html
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      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Rhonda: It may be racious… That is what makes me Peoud… It might be more Species… With a close look!

      • CZ52

        “…that it is not, nor was it ever, intended for “personal’ rights of packing armor for self defense.”

        Just proves your “support of the 2nd” is a lie Flashy. The authors of the Bill of Rights and especially the Second Amendment would have been acutely aware of several reasons to own firearms. The need for self defence would have certainly been recognized by them as well as the right to hunt and kill your own meat.

      • http://naver samurai

        Since you have never been in a situation like this Rob, you have no hope of understanding. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Lcar

      If you check the media response, the evidence seems to support your idea. The media rarely shows a picture of the shooter. Always shows a picture of the deceased from three years ago (where are the current pictures?). Highlight protests of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Rarely follow up with the Zimmerman family. Attack the law enforcement officers. Attack a Florida law. Almost seems to be a coordinated effort to divert the publics attention from the horrendous job this adminstration is doing both domestically and internationally!

      Even today I read how Mr. Zimmerman is really white because “Hispanic” is not a race. Though technically true, it seems to suit the liberal agenda to classify “Hispanics” as an underprivledged minority on other issues (illegal immigration, voter ID laws).

      • TOCB

        Biologically, there is not such thing as race, except the human race.

      • eddie47d

        Zimmerman did not follow proper procedure in this case and neither did the police. That is what the uproar is about and too much has been covered up.

      • Average Joe

        TOCB, That has been my thoughts….since I first heard the term……One Race…Human…..we just come in a variety of sizes, shapes and colors.

        eddie47d , Unless you were there personally, you have no more idea what went down during the confrontation…than any of the rest of us here. Please save personal biases and beliefs… for their proper place….state them as personal opinion…rather than knowledgeable facts…because that is all they are….nthing more than your opinion.

        While it is nice that they have given us a picture of Trayven, it would be nicer if they gave a more recent photo, you see, Trayvon isn’t that skinnny little 14 year old in the pic…he was 17, 6’4″ and 200 lbs. plus….not a small person by any means….a person that size can be quite intimidating…especially at night on a dimmly lit street. As for his clothing, he was wearing a Dark Hoodie and dressed as a gangbanger ( I know, that shouldn’t matter, but people perceive us by the way we look, dress and act in public and that’s just the way it is), Do I think it is right? NO, but that is just reality, most of us are (unfairly) grouped into classes,simply because of the way we look, dress or act (me, I wear my hair long, so most people assume that I must be a druggie,biker type etc…which is not who I am).

        Next, let’s look at Mr. Zimmerman. He was treated for face (broken nose) and back of head injuries ( I suppose those occurred when he fired the weapon)…and had…apparent grass stains on his back…..yup, that happens all of the time…when you just walk up and shoot someone…..Recent reports state that Mr. Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle (after losing sight of Trayvon) and was attacked from behind by the yourh (as coobrorated by witnesses) and that Zimmerman was on the ground, on hs back, with Trayvon on top of him..when he fired his weapon.

        I personally, will wait for all of the facts to be seen before I decide if this shooting was self defense or an illegal shooting…but I will admit, at this point, I am leaning towards self defense…but hey, I wasn’t there…so….I really don’t know the whole story….I’ll leave that to the investigators….As for the racial discrimination dicussions here…I see no racial discrimination in this case…just an unfortunate set of events…..for both parties and their families.JMHO

      • oh oh

        There is one human species, but multiple human races based on differences between them. The PC agenda often denies this for political reasons, but one of the inconvenient things about such facts is that, except for the ignorant, the duped and PC extremists, they are usually immune from political agendas.

      • eddie47d

        What I stated is a known fact Average Joe and was very clear yet you come up with much conjecture. So why is your long opinion so much more important than mine. I have been following this case for 3 weeks now and it’s been all over the Net. Nice of you to join in.

      • Average Joe

        oh oh ,

        The Last time I checked, we are all still considered to be “Homo Sapiens” and therefore all members of the “Human Race”. While we do come in a variety of sizes, shapes and colors….we are all still… human…..and we really need start thinking that way….
        Instead of focusing on our differences…we should be focusing on what we have in common….therein lies the problem.

      • Average Joe

        eddie47d,
        My reply to you was rather short…and to the point.
        As for the rest of my post…unlike yours, I stated that it was my opinion…and you stated your case as if it were fact…..rather than opinion……pretty big difference. You were being disingenous…I wasn’t.
        Thnx for playing….parting gifts are available at the exit door.

        I think fish is nice, but then I think that rain is wet, so who am I to judge?
        Douglas Adams

      • eddie47d

        Is that your final Opinion Joe?

      • Crystal

        Today they showed more recent pictures of Trayvon Martin. Guess what? He still looks very young.

      • MRC2YOU2

        Lcar: You’re absolutely correct: “Hispanic” is not a “race”! Anthropologists proved years ago that there on only one “race”…THE HUMAN RACE. Neither is Black, White, Caucasian, African-American or any of the other multitude of hyphenated names floating around these days. Per international law: a person takes the citizenry of the country in which he/she is born. And, according to the U. S. Constitution any person born or naturalized in the United States is an American citizen……it does not say hyphenated-American. Just AMERICAN.

        It’s amazing to me how, based on some of the unrelated comments, people allow OPINIONS to trump over FACTS. Given all the hoopla caused by distorted and partial news reports, there are only two clear facts: 1) Zimmerman followed Martin and 2) Zimmerman shot and killed Martin. From fact (1) I can draw a very easy conclusion that the reason for Zimmerman’s pursuit of Martin was to make some type of contact with him, possibly to detain him until the police arrived, which based upon the media’s reports would have been FALSE IMPRISONMENT, if Martin prevented from leaving by Zimmerman. Regardless of his reason(s), Zimmerman initiated the contact thereby making him the Aggressor. At that point Martin had the right to defend himself. But, actually, from the point of contact between the two, nobody knows what happened, or why it happened except the Zimmerman and Martin. Martin is dead and can’t present his side of what happened. And, as far as I know, except for the so-called “leaks” and positioning by his lawyer, Zimmerman has made no official statement to the public, since according to the media, a Grand Jury hearing will not occur until next month.

        So, allow me to join the maddening crowd of OPINION givers. my OPINION will deal only with the stature of Zimmerman and Martin, as reported by the media. Martin Age 17, 6’3″ tall, weight 150 pounds. Zimmerman Age 28, I don’t recall seeing a height, 200 pounds. I don’t believe that an 150# kid, no matter how tall, could beat a 28 years old “man” of Zimmerman’s weight to the degree and extent that supposedly Zimmerman said he did, unless he sucker-punched him, possibly, but since Zimmerman approached Martin, that seems unlikely.. If in fact it did occur that way, all I can say is no wonder Zimmerman packs, he’s afraid some kid might beat him up. I’m 70 years old, 6’0″ tall and weigh 258 pounds. There’s no way that an 150 pound kid is going to kick m butt (without a weapon…I don’t consider skittles and a can of tea weapons). Bigger men have tried and failed, much to their lament. Search as hard as you may, those of you who choose to do so, there is no logically way possible for you to justify , mitigate, or excuse Zimmerman’s conduct in this case.

        Oh, by the way, I was born in America, therefore American by law. However, the American system compels me to further identify myself by classifying myself as Black, African-American, or Other. I wasn’t born in Africa, neither have I ever been to Africa, so I found it stupid to select that supposed “choice” based on what I know about matters of law. And, I didn’t have a clue, when it came to human beings, what “other” meant. So, I chose “Black”, primarily because where, and when, I was born there were only so-called White and Black people. For those of you who don’t think “racism” (which more correctly defined, based upon American history, actually is discrimination (preferential treatment) by Whites against Blacks and/or any other nationality that so-called Whites don’t perceive to be “White”) still exist. I’ve lived it all my life and I continue to live it everyday. Even worst, and perhaps why many people profess that it don’t exist is because they’ve never experienced it, or think it ended with so-called integration. Hopefully, such people will never have to experience cancer, aids or heart disease to recognize that they are debilitating and deadly diseases.

        In my seven decades on this earth, American Black (my classification), People have been referred to, and classified, as Nigger, Nigra, Colored, Negro, Afro-American, Black, and currently, African-American. I wonder what we’ll be classified as in the next decade! Have you, if you’ve ever thought about it, wondered why the American-born White man does not have a hyphenated description; yet the Indians, the original inhabitants of America has a hyphenated description, i.e. Native-American? Figures It Out Yourself My Lads.

        P E A C E & P R O S P E R I T Y T O Y O U A L L

    • Why

      28 yr old attacks a 17 yr old . 17 yr old defends himself and yells for help. 28 yr old kills him. The 17 yr old did not run over to the 28 yr old’s vehicle, drag him out of it and start beating on him…

      • STEVE E.

        I suppose you are a reliable witness.

      • http://N/A CintiCB

        Nobody said that the 17 year old dragged Zimmerman out of his vehicle. He approached him from behind as he was returning to his vehicle and said, “You got a problem?” Zimmerman, “No.” Trayvon, “Well, you DO NOW!”. The cute little innocent 17 yr. old punched and broke his nose, wrestled him to the ground and started beating his head into the concrete. There IS a witness, who I saw/heard on Fox News Channel last night. This witness said that he has known Zimmerman for around six (I think) years and that Zimmerman is NOT racist. Now, before all of you perpetual little ‘victims’ say, ‘Of course ‘whitey’ will defend theys own’ please realize that this witness is black. No, he ain’t be’s no ‘race traitor’. He’s a civilized, honest BLACK citizen. I, strongly, hope that the Black Panther ‘victims’ don’t offer a reward for killing this witness-just because he ‘ian’t be’s one of us’-he’s civilized, honest, and apparently not tainted by all of the HORRIBLE things that happened to his ancesters-IN THE PAST!!! Instead on hanging on to the all of the inequities of THE PAST, why don’t you try to improve/help yourselves? It’s not impossible and you might just find that being a civilized/intelligent citizen feels pretty darn good !

      • Karolyn

        Cinti – Just goes to show how stories get screwed up and rumors start – the black man is his friend and was not a witness.

      • Why

        What you are missing is that there is sufficient evidence to justify the police investigating- which they had no intent of doing. Just because I find it hard to believe that Zimmerman got out of his vehicle for a look-see and did not approach Martin- does not mean that Zimmerman had the best of intentions of avoiding an altercation with Martin. Especially since Zimmerman was told by the dispatcher that following Martin was not necessary. I would think that especially applied to doing so on foot.

        But the criticism is valid- which was the point that I wished to make: there needs to be an investigation. It is inappropriate for the police knowing an adult killed a minor to not investigate.

    • http://windstream Joe

      From reports that have been being posted I have learned that this “poor child” was much larger than the said photo of Martin that is currently being broadcast worldwide. In fact he was around 6 feet two inch’s and was about 200 pounds. That’s equal to Mr. Zimmerman in height and weight. Also , if you will visit this web site you can see just how much grief the mother of poor Travvon is going through. Seems she decided to trademark his photo and name. Yesterday the news said that each of the people who marched in that ‘ Skitles’ (lets make it all about a child going out for candy) routine gave $15.00 each which then was passed on to the Marten parents. Please see http://www.thesmokeinggun.com/documents/travon-martin-trademarks-769123.

  • doctordoctor

    Ben, this column is not up to your usual standards. There is almost no doubt that the thug was killed by a man defending himself. Just like Tawana Brawley, and the scum blacks who were killed on the subway by a little white guy who didn’t wish to be savaged by them, this always happens when a black thug gets his just desserts. Where was all the rage when a bunch of black animals ravaged two decent U. of Tennessee kids? I’m sick of all the excuses for blacks. Like muslims, everyone makes excuses for them. They either need to get real or be understood to be subhuman savages as a group.

    • Karolyn

      You know nothing about this kid, and he was a kid, who lived right down the street. He went to the store to buy Skittles. That is thuggish behavior? He was walking down the street with a hoodie on. That was thuggish behavior? He asked Zimmerman why he was following him. Was that thuggish behavior? I wonder who the thug was here. Zimmerman sounds like he was a wannabe cop who had called 911 49 times in one year. I wonder how many of those calls were legitimate. I guess we will find out as the case unfolds.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Karolyn, I’m with you on this one.

      • LAB

        OMG! I didn’t know YOU were the eyewitness to this event! WOW, and you just speak up now??? IDIOTS! LET OUR JUSTICE PREVAIL and STOP falling victim to the idiots in the country trying to make racism a political ploy….

      • Lcar

        Hypocrite! Inoccent until proven guilty??? You are always blathering about “rights”. What about Mr. Zimmerman’s right?
        The media seems to revel in the race baiting and the news cycle crap. Blame the cops, blame Mr. Zimmerman, blame the law, blame somebody, but the poor “kid” (who is always shown as such in the media with pictures from 3 years ago).
        I only agree that Mr. Zimmerman should not have followed, or at least not gotten out of his vehicle.

      • Stan Lee

        Karolyn:
        Really, I do understand how immersed you are in this situation. It has become a common fact that in an altercation between individuals, no matter who was the attacker, if a death results to either party, the survivor usually is labeled as a murderer. And, if that survivor has a license to carry a firearm and uses it lethally, the survivor is in deeper legal trouble.
        I’m not even going to introduce racial differences, the survivor is already in enough trouble for surviving. There is already too much speculation by a public driven by a race-biased, leftist news media. And now, that the race hustlers have joined in, one of them a paid employee of MSNBC. If MSNBC was a stand-up kind of organization, it would advise its race-baiter to stand down while the legal system uncovers all the facts. We all should!

      • eddie47d

        The Stand Your Ground Law has been suspected of allowing 63 murders to occur in the state of Florida. The law is so weak in defending the shooter where they automatically get a free pass. Time to rethink this law.

      • Diane

        I’m confused by the whole self defense scenario! If someone attacks you I understand defending yourself. But if you go after someone and follow them, even though you were told not too, making the pursued feel as if he needs to defend himself because he’s scared…..how is that self defense?

      • Robert Smith

        Lcar asks: “What about Mr. Zimmerman’s right?”

        That ended when he became a predator when he continued after the police told him to stand down.

        Zimmerman was a nut case with dilusions of adaquacy as a law inforcement official. He wasn’t an official, but a bully thug out for kicks under an alleged umbrella of “neighborhood watch.”

        The kid had a right to ask who was following him and why. How would any of you around here respond if someone was stalking you when all you had in hand was skittles and iced tea?

        Picture it… You are minding your own business walking home from the store and this nut case accosts you as if you are a criminal. What would you do?

        Rob

      • eric

        at this point karolyn, we will not. the racist bunch that wants to turn everything into a race issue for their own power has decided, and now they will attempt to destroy everything in order to get their own verdict – they do not care what the facts are or about anything resembling justice.

      • Brian

        Karolyn,
        Zimmerman is (was) the captian of his crime watch. Why shouldn’t he have called 911 49 times? Who should he have called to report suspicious activity? In fact, in this incidence, when he saw someone he suspected did not live in his gated community, the first thing he did as call 911. Yes, initially, he did follow Martin. However, according to the police report, both Zimmerman and eyewitnesses claim that Zimmerman had stopped following Martin and was heading back to his vehicle when Martin confronted Zimmerman, punched him hard enough to knock him off his feet and then proceeded to pound his head on the sidewalk. At what point do you think Martin would have quit beating Zimmerman had Zimmerman not defended himself? Would you rather Zimmerman allow himself to be beat to death? Would you then blame Zimmerman’s death on Martin’s disadvantaged upbringing?
        Yes, the whole thing is tragic as someone has died, but the race baiters have whipped the crowds into a frenzy for their own purposes.

      • castaway

        I was nearly robbed in New York City by 3 black “KIDS”. Honey they ain’t no such thang as innocent when it comes to the color Black. That Trayvon is guilty as sin of attacking Zimmerman, and was just another Black Punk looking for something for free at someone elses expense.

      • CZ52

        “The Stand Your Ground Law has been suspected of allowing 63 murders to occur in the state of Florida.”

        Provide some proof to support this supposition eddie.

    • Elizabeth

      You are a racist, and your argument is invalid.

    • Rhonda

      You are the most ridiculous thinking person that I have ever encountered. First, blacks are not savages they are not all thugs. Just as all caucasions are not red-neck racists. It is ashamed that you have so much ahtred in your heart for others based upon their color. You need salvation and Jesus in your heart, or do you think that you are a shoo-in for heaven beacause you are “white”. I pray for mercy on you for the hatred that has germinated i your heart.

      • Robert Smith

        ” Just as all caucasions are not red-neck racists.”

        True enough. But with over 40 calls to police in a year in mental health circles Zimmerman would be known as a “frequent flyer.”

        He has a proven background of playing cop when he wasn’t. Generally a real cop can find out the difference between someone walking home from the store and a thief. Often with a little observation the subject doesn’t even know they’ve been assessed.

        Based upon his refusal to listen and stop Zimmerman was clearly out of control.

        Rob

      • Nadzieja Batki

        How dare anyone think contrary to your way of thinking.

      • castaway

        I know, that is why they are all going violent over this! Get over it!

      • eddie47d

        When are those around here going to challange you Castaway in making so many racial remarks. You have gone down that path on several occassions.

    • absolutely amazed

      SicSick DoctorDoctor! Get help for your paranoia and psychosis please.

    • Crystal

      You stinkin’ cracker. The only sub-human here is you.

    • http://naver samurai

      Ah yes, playing the race card. Classic liberal strategy. A subhuman group? Sheesh! I haven’t heard anything like that, except from books I’ve read about the Nazis or Margaret Sanger. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Karolyn

    Actually, the evolving of this situation was not led by Obama. He came in late to the fray. Yes, what he said was kind of stupid. He’s obviously trying to inject empathy in to it. Of course, since Zimmerman went into hiding, and the wheels of justice turn so slowly, facts are coming out too late to stem the tide that has started to take over. However, it was obviously profiling because the kid was black and had a hoodie on, never mind that he lived a few doors down the street. The shooter was told not to follow him. He should have just let the cops take over. Now it seems like Trayvon may have attacked Zimmerman, but didn’t he have that right since he was being followed? Bad situation all the way around; however, it will serve to possibly change Florida’s “Stand your ground” law. I can understand defending one’s self from an unprovoked attacks; however, there have to be parameters set down. Men get into physical fights. Does this mean if one has a gun, he can just shoot the other guy? Sounds like the wild west to me. If society in general wasn’t so violent, none of this would be a problem. We see that violent streak here all the time with people calling for hangings, shootings, revolution, etc. Change starts with each of us.

    • Kathy

      Karolyn, you are absolutely right. Had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle this problem would have been avoided. Not only that, but if Zimmerman took hold of Trayvon, after getting out of his vehicle, Trayvon was entitled to do what he had to do to get away from him.

      • castaway

        History and experience has taught us that the kid was probably a gang banger like most are, and if he would have been able to get the gun, he would have definititly shot Zimmerman. In all probability, he was beating the hell out of Zimmerman, and trying to get his gun, which caused Zimmerman to panic for his life, and shot Trayvan.

        The entire event, is a sad thing, but things happen, and our desire for survival is very strong. If blacks do not like this event, then I suggest they do something constructive and review their history and try and correct some of their attitudes.

      • eddie47d

        Maybe you need to correct your racist attitude before trying to take the beam out of someone elses eye.

    • wandamurline

      Do you guys know any history of hatred and racism in this country? I was a teen during the Civil Rights movement, and a young woman during the Watts riots. Do any of you remember those days….they were very, very ugly. This whole scenario is somehow not right…why are the only pictures being shown of Trayvon the ones when he was a 11-13 year old kid? Is it so that the family will get more sympathy? Where are the pictures of this 17 year old, 6’2″ man? There were a lot of autrocities during the Civil rights movement, and during the Watts riots, several young black men pulled an innocent white truck driver from his truck and beat him almost to death, leaving him severely disabled for the rest of his life, and these black men were let go at trial because they “had the riot mentality” and were not responsible for what they did. Where was the shock and Al and Jesse then? I think the news medias have tried and found Zimmerman guilty without a trial by law and that inexcuseable. Before everyone goes off half-cocked, they should have allowed the police to continue to gather evidence to get to the bottom and the truth. But racism and hatred have no truth, and this is what I am seeing in this movement…..I thought that after Dr. King had given his very life to stop racism in this country, we would have changed from 40+ years ago. President Obama is a racist and hates America and he does anything to keep us fighting among ourselves, and then when he is found wrong (like the Gates deal), he uses his color as a shield to hide behind. I am saddened by this whole thing, not only because of the death of a teen, the terrible feelings Mr. Zimmerman must have, but by the way this nation has succumbed to again get on the band wagon of hate, revenge and racism. It thought this nation was better than this.

      • Chester

        The problem with allowing the police to do their job in this case was that they had decided there was nothing more needing doing. They were going to conduct no further investigation, as there was no evidence to show Zimmerman overstepped what little authority he had, thanks to Florida’s stand your ground law. Only after the public outcry do we learn of Zimmerman’s injuries, or about the 911 calls made by him, and by members of the community.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “Only after the public outcry do we learn of Zimmerman’s injuries,…”

        Guaranteed: If you come up to me if I’m walking home from the store and start being intimidating and generally nasty I’ll stand my ground. You will certainly be risking injury.

        Picture: The kid is walking home with skittles and iced tea and he’s stalked and approached by…

        What would YOU do if someone came up to you with intimidation in their MO?

        Rob

      • castaway

        It is, just the blacks are the ones who continue to blame others for their failings,and play the race card constantly. The civil rights movement should have been sqaushed, and the laws that were passed have been dragging us to the bottom ever since.

        All because of a minority? We need to do better than that. However, now they feel very empowered because of a black president, and others that are in government. In addition, obama is 100% black muslim. Only white in his mothers eyes.

    • Stan Lee

      Obama joined in just like he joined into a difference one of his professor friends had with police at Harvard U.
      At that time, Obama stated (and this is the President of the United States delivering his opinion when he had no place in it except for race) that the police officer acted “stupidly.”
      In fact, the officer acted according to recognized police procedure. You may recall that the leftist news media was very partial to the Harvard professor, who in my personal opinion became overly aggressive to the police officer to create a racial incident. That professor was a known “race hustler” as it turns out. The police officer “accepted” an invitation to “have a beer with Obama” for appearances, afterward. Obama has had a knack for getting into racial situations. I remember no other President behaving like Obama in promoting so much division between races.

      • http://N/A CintiCB

        Our ‘king’, apparently, beleives in ‘divide and conquer’-with race and (financial) class. When I heard the kings’ comment about the professor I thought, ‘Oh, brother! At least he didn’t refer to the professor as his ‘homie’ ‘. When I heard the assinine comment about how his son would look like Trayvon I thought, ‘Yeah, well A LOT of people robbed/mugged/killed by blacks look like me. What the hell is your point!?!

    • Fran Schroeder

      First of all, wouldn’t you go into hiding if you knew that the New Black Panthers had a $10,000 bounty on you, DEAD OR ALIVE? Every day, we are hearing more information and before most of it came out, our president made some quick judgments (as he has done several times before not knowing all the facts). Eye witnesses reported that Zimmerman was heading back to his SUV with his back turned when Trayvon went after him. Trayvon reportedly punched Zimmerman in the face and pounded his head on the ground several times before being shot. Trayvon is not the young boy that was shown in pictures from 3 years ago. He was now a 6 ft 4 in. young man with a lot of strength. Our president needs to apologize for putting his foot in his mouth again and agitating by using the race card AGAIN!!!!

      • Flashy

        There were no eyewitnesses to the shooting. Only phone calls are available. It was clear from the calls Zimmerman continued to stalk the kid after being told not to. It is clear from the enhanced tapes Zimmerman was muttering racial epithets. It is clear the kid is dead. It is clear Zimmerman was a loose cannon with a wannabe police attitude and made over 40 calls in a short period of time concerning the neighborhood.

        What is not clear is how ‘self defense’ applies in this case when the instigator was Zimmerman.

      • eddie47d

        Trayvon felt threatened by someone following him what would you do?

      • 45caliber

        eddie, Flashy:

        You are out of date. There was a witness who made the 911 call. He saw what happened. So far the police haven’t released his name but he exists according to the police.

      • eddie47d

        Yes it was two white ladies who were up late and heard it all right outside their unit.. They specifically stated the person yelling for help was a kid not an adult. That was on the news several times. Now we will have to wait until that phone call can be reviewed.

      • Flashy

        45…here’s up to the date. Conflicting witness testimony.

        http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/27/justice/florida-teen-shooting-witnesses/index.html

    • sybucket

      In my opinion, the “Stand Your Ground “law does apply in his case, and is an excellent example of the intent behind the law. The intent of the law was to give releaf from the legal requirement to “Flee” if one was attacked, and the intent was to allow the “Victem” of the attack to fight back, use deadly force IF NECESSARY! It seem in this case the “Victem”, Martin, became the Agressor to the “Attacker” Zimmerman, who then became the Victem. ….and in the blink of an eye, the Attacker one again reverted to Victem when he was killed. Zimmerman precipated the encounter by following Martin, but, if the story is true, ended the precepation by turning away. Martin then esculated the encounter by attacking Zimmerman, who, in defending himself, having had no opportunity to flee if he wanted to, shot the attacker in defense of his life. …..and recognizing that this is a tragedy of small steps that increased the outcome with each of those steps, by the time Martin was pounding Zimmerman’s head on the ground, Zimmerman, in fear of his life, shot Martin. Is Zimmerman at fault? Yes, for causing the situation in the first place. Is Martin at Fault? Yes, for pursuing Zimmerman and attacking Zimmerman, after Zimmerman turned away. Had Martin let it go after Zimmerman turned away, Zimmerman having told the Police that he “lost him “, Martin would be alive and there would be no story.

      • eddie47d

        The thing is Zimmerman is the only one around to tell his side of the story.That is also an inconvenient truth.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        He isn’t the only one. The witness the police now have who called in 911 was also able to tell what happened. And it fit what Zimmerman said…

      • eddie47d

        That is not what the witness said that was interviewed. Unless there are more.

  • Mark Matis

    This goes to show that, if you care about your neighborhood, don’t waste your time calling 911.  If they even bother to respond, it will only be to fill out the paperwork after you, your family, or your neighbors are robbed, raped, or murdered.  After all, the criminals are usually Preferred Species, and “Law Enforcement” will not touch them.  If you want to clean out the sewer and make your neighborhood safe to live in, you’re going to have to do it yourself.  But when you do, you need to remember 3 actions and 4 words:

    1.  Shoot
    2.  Shovel
    3.  Shut up

    This approach has been very effective over the years in dealing with problems the government refuses to address.  And as long as you only do one or two at a time, their brothers and sisters back in the ‘hood will think it’s just another drug deal gone bad.  Just be smart enough not to put notches in your pistol grip, nor paint hoodies on your shovel handle, and you will be doing the entire country a real service – Taking out the trash, one hoodie at a time..

    • Karolyn

      This kid LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD!! YOU are part of the problem in this country. Just keep the hatred and violence going. Good job!

      • Mardi

        I thought it was reported he was visiting his father or fathers fiancee. So I do not think he lived there. The only reason to point this out was he was not recognized by Mr Zimmerman of the neighborhood watch. Again the media got into the fray and now the sharks got a hold of the family at a very vulnerable time for them, That is so sad as now all it has done is sparked hatred in many. We are at war an unseen war and the adversary must be smiling. My prayers are for both families that they may be safe and have peace and for this country and people that we do not allow this to harden our hearts.

      • Karolyn

        All the loose cannons, like Mark Matis (above) will have a field day with this.

      • LAB

        t least On fact in your argument ok? HE DID NOT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD! He was staying at his RELATIVES because he was on a 5 day school suspension!!!

      • JukeJointJimmee

        Karolyn do us all a favor and shut the hell up. You are disturbingly dense.

      • Karolyn

        Juke – My aren’t you open-minded. I have the right to post what I want as long as it isn’t obscene. Fortunately, I am not like you and would not deny someone else their opinion. BTW, who do you think you are?

      • Karolyn

        The initial report said he lived down the street.

      • luvmyusa

        “He did not live in the neighborhood. he was suspended from school for ten days and was at his father house. It was 3 am,in the morning, what was he doing out that late? Also why the hood, it wasn’t raining nor was it cold? This has nothing to do with race, but an unknown person in a gated community, with something in his hand and wearing a hooded. The question is now who was the attacker? The radical BlackPanthers, along with the loud mouth trouble maker Sharpton and Jackson need to STOP with the Race Card!

      • sybucket

        Karolyn-The kid DID NOT live in the neighborhood. He was visiting.

      • tedarogers

        he did not live in the neighborhood… his dads girlfriend lived there. Lets not confuse the important facts with your disillusion bigotry.

      • Flashy

        Trayvon was visting his Dad who lived with his girlfriend who did live in the neighborhood. It was not the first time Trayvon stayed there. he was known to the neighborhood … Source is the Miami Herald.

      • http://N/A CintiCB

        My initial response to you had printing over printing-couldn’t be read, so, I started over. I neglected to hit reply, so, my comment is all of the way at the end (as of this moment). Anyway, my comment was that Trayvon didn’t live in the neighborhood. He was visiting relatives. You, also, need to get out of your 1930′s and 1940′s mindset-you’re only hurting and stunting yourself.

    • Stan Lee

      Mark:
      Only last night, in Phila.,PA, an ex-Marine afflicted with a heart condition, came home only to be attacked by three men. One of them struck the victim on his head with a steel bar and knocked him down.
      The victim struggled and got a knife, then plunged it into his attacker’s chest, killing him. The two other attackers quit! The disabled ex-Marine called police to the scene, surrendering his weapon and self. All parties in this are black men.
      The victim is now being held for murder after defending himself in his own house. There is no “stand your ground” law in Philadelphia, PA! That’s it so far. The victim is disabled, financially broke, and his defense costs will be extraordinary, unless a defense lawyer will defend him “pro-bono.”

      • Stan Lee

        I need to add a fact to the killing in Phila. by disabled ex-Marine. The man who attacked him, now dead, had a police record of forty (40) arrests. Sorry, I have no facts on “time served,” this is too recent for news media to give all the facts.
        Oh, by the way, the ex-Marine has never had a brush with the law and was honorably discharged from the Marine Corps.

      • Robert Smith

        Johnathan Lowe is the Marine’s name. He’s black. Maybe that’s why he isn’t allowed to protect himself.

        BTW, PA does have a variant of the “stand your ground” law.

        Rob

      • Vicki

        Neither of these cases sound like “stand your ground” cases. Both alleged killers were allegedly attacked, knocked down and the attack continued. Really hard to run away in those cases.

    • castaway

      Good post and very correct.

  • http://yahoo harry

    just curious was there any weapon found at the seen? from what i read sounds like the kid was not doing anything wrong.what it does sound like is that the the watchman is a loose canon.i think under nornal circenstances the guard would have been arested and held till all the facts were in.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Gaia2Joe Elizabeth Moultrie

      The issue for me is, we don’t need to try this man in the court of public opinion. Thanks to Al Sharpton and the Jesse-Jackson-types, Zimmerman will not be able to get a fair, unbiased jury anywhere in this country. We DO NOT know what happened. NONE of us were there. If ANY of us had been there, perhaps Trayvon would not be dead. Or, maybe he was threatening, and he would be dead. WE DON’T KNOW, because we don’t know all the facts. We know ONLY what the liberal media tells us, and that is NEVER unbiased … particularly not this “conservative” media. I have argued the case for the Castle Doctrine before. It give immunity to those who are threatened. It does NOT release someone for investigation, because shooting someone just for the hell of it is NOT legal, even under the Castle Doctrine. If the boy was not doing anything and Zimmerman chased him down and shot him, then he has no immunity under the Castle Doctrine. That is NOT something the police get to decide. It is what the Grand Jury and/or the State’s Attorney are for … to make that decision AFTER a full investigation. So sit down, shut up, and know your facts before you go spouting off at the mouth (as my grandmother used to say).

      • sybucket

        With respect…the Stand your Ground law and the Castle Doctron are two different laws. SYG applies to anywhere you may leagelly be, in the Mall, your car, walking the street. The Castle Doctron genereally only applies to your home and property. As in, “Each man’s home is his Castle”.

      • Robert Smith

        Elizabeth claims: “We DO NOT know what happened.”

        Sure we do. Zimmerman was told to stand down. The police were on the way. He didn’t and continued to stalk the kid.

        I believe that most folks around here would respond if they were stalked and abused by a self appointed neighborhood watch.

        Rob

      • 45caliber

        Robert:

        I don’t know about you but if someone was following me, I wouldn’t be trying to attack that person. I’d be trying to get out of the area as rapidly as possible. And I think most other people with any sense would be trying to do the same thing. I certainly wouldn’t try to sneak up on the guy to attack him after he went back. I’d breathe a sigh of relief and get out of the area. So I think your remark might be a little wrong.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Gaia2Joe Elizabeth Moultrie

        Yes, Sy, they are. The mainstream media has misused the term “Castle Doctrine” in this instance, as I now have. However, neither of the laws grants immunity to a murderer.

        • RichW

          There was no murder. The law in Florida protects a person anywhere when they are attacked and justifiably in fear for their life. Zimmerman was obviously attacked, beaten by a physically superior thug, and fired only when he felt his own life was in jeopardy. Case closed. Except that some racist scum (BHO included.) want to make this into something else.

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith says:

        Elizabeth claims: “We DO NOT know what happened.”

        Sure we do. Zimmerman was told to stand down. The police were on the way. He didn’t and continued to stalk the kid.

        Hey some one call the DA in Florida. We have another eyewitness. :)

        Not. Really Robert. With your track record on opinions let alone facts you don’t really expect us to believe you know what happened do you?

    • Harry

      Amazing! So does Zimmerman follow white or hispanic kids that walk through his neighborhood? If I was visiting someone in his neighborhood, do I have to be worried about someone approaching me with a gun? Are the authors of some of the above comments really as prejudiced and racist as your words indicate? If so, then the rest of you need to realize that it is a race issue, no matter how you try to ignore it. The truth is that Black people do have to live by a different standard, do have to walk in fear from the assumptions people make because of our race, we do have to worry about predjudice vigalantes walking around with guns. I wish you could know that feeling. The first right we all have if is life (right before liberty and the pursuit of happiness). I wonder that, if the roles were reversed, would a Black shooter of a White or Hispanic man walking in the neighbor be allowed to walk away, or would he be arrested first and cleared later. And, by the way, why is a person of mixed race (like Zimmerman) be identified by his minority heritage? He does have one white and one hispanic parent? I am just wondering out loud.

      • Karolyn

        Thank you Harry. I worked with a black woman who told me stories about raising her son and how she had to make sure he knew what he could and could not do so as not to be stopped by the police and harrassed because of his color. She is the first black person I had talked to about what it’s like to be black, especially in the south. Of course, it is better than it was years ago; however, one cannot dispute the fact that racism still exists.

        • Rhonda

          I feel that if this situation is not investigated thoroughly and justice prevails it is open season on African Americans, people are so angry about who the President of the United States is that that they take it out on all blacks because they can’t get to him. However, I believe in God and Jesus Christ as his son. I also believe that God controls everything and if it is in His divine plan, guess what? The Obamas will be in the Whitehouse four more years and God will protect him. Vengenace is God’s and he will repay for all of the wickedness and evil that has been inflicted upon African Americans for over 400 years.

      • Stan Lee

        Harry:
        This incident took off so fast that news media hadn’t developed any facts except “neighborhood watch volunteer kills black youth.”
        Now, there are witnesses coming forth to the tail-end of this happening. WE’ll see what happens once all investigation is done.
        I refer to it as a “happening” because it hasn’t been established as a “murder” except by race hustlers and second-guessers quick to condemn police procedure. It’s always simple to condemn the police for inaction. It’s even worse for a person qualified with a weapon and legal permit to carry it. Any of you “nay-sayers” ought to ride/walk a patrol with police for a shift or two! I also notice that the most vocal “nay-sayers” are people who’d never qualify as police officers in the first place.

      • 45caliber

        Rhonda:

        I would like to see justice done … but it may not be the same justice you are talking about. From all the new reports, Zimmerman may be justified.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        If you come into a gated community you check in at the gate whether by pressing out the code, your host lets you in, or if there is a guard the guard checks you in.
        At 3 AM most people are in their beds, the party hearty crowd are not usually quiet when they make their disappearances.
        So who let Martin in in the first place?

      • AuntVick

        Man, I’ve never heard such a bunch of ignoramuses in one place! This whole thing is about CRIME not race. Why does a citizen need to be armed and patrolling the neighborhood? Because crime is being committed and the police have their budgets cut all over this country. The criminals know the police don’t get to the scene in time to arrest them. they know some bleeding heart will come up with a lawyer to see their “rights” protected. I’m all for the STAND YOUR GROUND law, it protects us in our home and other private places, from being victimized, til some nut comes along and decides to follow someone through the neighborhood close enough for the person to attack him. IMHO Mr. Zimmerman was acting recklessly out of fear of the crime affecting his neighborhood. It’s splashed over all the news every day the amount of crime affecting all of us. Some neighborhoods are effectively under martial law, by decree of the CRIMINALS! This is the issue not race. FEAR

      • Robert Smith

        45 says: “Zimmerman may be justified.”

        “Justification” ended when he was told to stand down and the police were on the way.

        Beyond that point Zimmerman was simply getting his jollies off trying to intimidate a kid. The kid stood his ground. And now you are trying to make Zimmerman the victim.

        Sheesh..

        Rob

      • 45caliber

        Harry:

        ALL races have to walk carefully through a neighborhood of another race – or at least they do in Houston area. And that isn’t because the walker is the racist person. I personally would walk carefully through any strange neighborhood regardless of what race it was. And, according to the reports now, Zimmerman did not approach with a gun drawn. Actually, I think I’d be more nervous if someone approached me carrying a baseball bat but that’s just me. So your comments aren’t of real use here.

      • Ret

        I’ve was in a black community visiting friends, and had the same feelings you have expressed. It’s really disgusting that anyone, in the 21st century, has to worry about race and what they’re doing where, when and why. What I find interesting, also, is the prediction that within 50 years there will be little distinction between races because of intermarriage. The president is of mixed heritage. He would not have had sufficient votes if only the Black community had voted for him. My thoughts/hopes were that since he was elected, he would do some good for the country. In my opinion, he has not; he has continued the worst of the Bush anti-American/pro-big business dogma. Thus, I hope he does not have a 2nd term. It has nothing to do with his race. He is after all, 1/2 white, and frankly, I don’t have a clue which half of him is white. Do you? If I can’t write in Ron Paul, not sure what I’ll do.

      • 45caliber

        Robert:

        I said he MAY be justified. Not that he was. And until further evidence is considered, I won’t say he was either. You are trying to read more into what I said that is there. He MAY be justified. Frankly, if someone was beating my head against a sidewalk as he AND the witness now states, I’d be trying to do something about it as well.

      • Ladyhawke

        Yeah, just like mr. president. He is half and half too and he hates his white half and bolsters up his “minority” black half. At least if he says he is “African-American” he is truthful since his birth father was Kenyan.
        By the way, what irresponsible parent(s) let their 17 year old kid go out at 3 in the morning? Especially one who has been in trouble (his suspension and the reason for it). His father’s fiancee is just as responsible for letting him go out at that hour.

      • http://N/A CintiCB

        Instead of trying to treat the symptoms (fear of blacks), why don’t we fix the problem? The problem being the behavior/crimes/attitudes of the low level blacks (mainly gangers). The best start would, probably, be parenting classes to the welfare mommas. The second, and maybe more crucial, is to do follow up on these kids who are popped out for welfare money-make sure that they are fed, not abused/neglected, and AT LEAST alive. There have been cases where the abuse, finally, kills the child and the body is hiiden/disposed of so momma still gets her welfare check!!! Is it any wonder why there are so many who are uncivilized!?! Some states have, finally, wisened up. They put a limit on how many kids (per momma) the taxpayer will support.

      • Vicki

        Harry writes

        Are the authors of some of the above comments really as prejudiced and racist as your words indicate? If so, then the rest of you need to realize that it is a race issue, no matter how you try to ignore it.

        It is only a race issue cause liberals constantly play the race card. Conservatives and classical liberals (Libertarians) don’t tend to notice race even when liberals try to smash it into our face. So we continue to ignore it and focus on the facts of the case to see which person committed a crime.

        why is a person of mixed race (like Zimmerman) be identified by his minority heritage? He does have one white and one hispanic parent? I am just wondering out loud.

        Same reason Obama is supposed to be identified as African-American.

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith says:

        “Justification” ended when he was told to stand down and the police were on the way.

        Beyond that point Zimmerman was simply getting his jollies off trying to intimidate a kid. The kid stood his ground. And now you are trying to make Zimmerman the victim.

        Robert seems to know way more about this case than he should. Is he the mysterious watcher from the grassy knoll.

    • castaway

      Evidently, the cops disagree with you and are only in sidestepping the case, because of fear of being called racists or being targeted themselves. If the cops had thought it was Zimmermans fault he would have been arrested immediatly.

      • eddie47d

        Man are you naive. The police barely questioned Zimmerman and ignored the evidence.

        • RichW

          Wow. Talk about ignorance. The police had all the evidence they needed in a seriously battered Zimmerman, and an obviously much larger, and very dead, thug laying on the lawn. Zimmerman had done nearly everything right, got beaten, and fired in self-defense. Case solved and closed.

  • http://httpaol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    Thats all the left has race card.

  • rendarsmith

    This is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson trying to spark an outrage on some issue to make a name for themselves. They’ve raised the racism flag so high that the pole is breaking.

  • JD

    I just wonder where is all the hype and outrage over all the black kids that are killed daily by other blacks ?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Politicos and race baiters cannot make political hay out of those stories.

    • eddie47d

      There was a case in Chicago the year before last where black thugs attacked a black honor student and killed him. It was all over the news. Those kind of cases don’t get ignored in Denver and neither do white on white crimes.

    • 45caliber

      eddie:

      JD’s point is that the black community (such as Sharpton or Jackson) didn’t bother to get excited about it. Not that it wasn’t noted as happening.

  • Raggs

    If this had been a BLACK guy that shot a WHITE guy nothing would ever had been said about it.

    • Harry

      Your right … because the Black guy would be in jail. If he was found to be not guilty, it would only come after months of waiting, either out on bail sitting in jail awaiting trial.

      • 45caliber

        Really? Every one I know would have at least been out on bail, ready to commit their next crime as well.

      • Robert Smith

        Except for an ex-Marine who is facing murder charges in Philly for defending himself.

        His name is John Lowe.

        BTW, John is black. Think that had anything to do with him being charged?

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        It’s well known Caliber that blacks get poor representation in court get prosecuted at a higher rate and sentenced for a longer term than a white person doing the same crime. Out on bail? My rear!

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        It is well known, is it? That is one thing I’m told over and over by the libs but I’ve never seen any data to prove it. What I have seen is that the blacks in court generally are guilty and get the sentence they deserve. Just as whites in court generally do. The only ones who seem to get away with things are the very rich. The reason more blacks are sent to jail than whites is that more blacks commit crimes than whites. Or at least more are caught than whites.

      • Robert Smith

        Got it wrong again…

        “Blacks account for 12% of the population, 14% of annual marijuana users, and 31% of marijuana possession arrests,” the report states. ”

        http://www.precinctreporter.com/community/inland-empire/186-marijuana-arrest-stats-according-to-race

        Rob

  • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

    The problem is although members of the GOP like to state they are the party of Abraham Lincoln, they have turned their backs on him and what he told US we should Never Forget. Members of the GOP through Govenors and Legislators like Bush passed these Gun laws within 24 States as a ways or means to Protect White Priviledge and Property over People. Most in the GOP go around claiming “In God We Trust” when it has been in their hands or Power to Make Law Proper and Good for We the People; but they DONT. It too Convenient so instead so called well meaning people who refuse to look af the FACTS willing remain Blind, Deaf and Dumb when it comes to what they do or have done in the name of the Lord. Even now you are trying to Blame President Obama, because he brought up the fact that He too is Black; when EVERY DAY on Fox News you say the most racist thing, about EVERYTHING.

    If you dont know the facts of this case its because You Dont Want To Know; You Dont Have the Balls to Face the Truth; and have a Honest Conversation such as WHY Rick Santorum, said He didnt want to give Blach People someones money. Why at the entrance of Rick Perry’s Ranch there was for YEARS a Big Ole Rock with the N. word on it. Why does Newt go around telling US how President Obama is the Biggest Welfare President, without telling you; more White People are on Welfare than Black. Why did Ron Paul talk about for years in his Newsletters how Black Youths, such as Trayvon are to be Feared, a Menance to Society, etc….

    What I see here is a direct result of the systematic racism this Country is Famous for starting with the Indians. However Here are the Fact: Zimmerman is an Adult member of the neighborhood watch who was explicity told he was Not allowed to carry a Gun. Zimmerman called 911 (designated for emergencies) to report a strange person walking from the store into Zimmerman’s neighborhood. Travone was a Minor, just turned 17 years old; almost 100 lbs below Zimmerman and still in School. Zimmerman told the Police Trayvone appeared to be up to no good and said those A holes always get away. He stalking this child; and was told by the cops that was not necessary, but he kept on. Trayvones 16 year old girlfriend Heard the encounter over the phone; since she had been talking to him since He left the store. Trayvone told her someone was following him; and She told him to Run. He ran and when he thought Zimmerman was gone, he started walking home. He told her he would not run but just walk fasters. She heard Trayvone ask this Strange man later identified by the police as Zimmerman “Why are you following me?” She heard Zimmerman ask “What are you doing here?” As they both repeated their questions, she said she heard Tryvon’s voice becoming softer as if he were pushed and his ear peice to the phone fell off. The Neighbors all heard the commotion, and called 911 and the tapes show Trayvon crying for Help; until the GUN Went Off. A 13 year old boy saw the struggle while walking his dog.

    When the cops arrived; Zimmerman still had the guns, a so called bloodied nose, and grass stains on his back and claimed Self Defense. YET the Officer did not ask him What happened, Did not Test Zimmerman for Drugs, check the ballistics on the gun, check his clothes, breath etc. Zimmerman was let go, and although Trayvone had a cell phone He remained in the Morge as a John Doe, No Door to Door asking Whose Child is This? No They didnt Do SH…

    So althought We are all entitled to our opinions your Ignorance of the Pain, Fear over the Travail of Black Mothers, Fathers, or Leaders like MLK and President Obama is Obvious by what you Say, What You Do and What You Allow to Get Passed. But know this for sure; what goes around comes around and one day they will get exactly what is deserved; but then again; I’m sure that what Youre really scared of.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So much verbiage to say absolutely nothing of value.

    • tedarogers

      burntoffering… to bad all of your facts are WRONG! Santorum never said that… PERIOD. You are lying on this. Perry NEVER OWNED that property… but he painted over that N word when he saw it. Newt did say that because OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST WELFARE PRESIDENT EVER! That is the fact… but bigots and racists like you don’t want to confuse your hate spewing rants with FACTS.

    • L.M.

      You need to get your facts straight before you start your RACIST RANT! When the MSM first started reporting the Zimmerman issue they said “Trayvon was just a little boy-13 years old-suspended for truancy.” NOT TRUE! Not a little boy, a high-school athlete! Not 13 years old, 17 years old! Not suspended for truancy, suspended for a drug related offense! As for the tapes of someone crying for help- it was Zimmerman’s voice-not Trayvon’s-even Trayvon’s father said that it was NOT his son’s voice on the tape. Zimmerman had a BROKEN NOSE and had been assaulted, so apparently Trayvon was not a DEFENSELESS LITTLE BOY! Zimmerman was not ORDERED not to follow him, he was ADVISED that he didn’t need to. (This is confirmed by the tape of the 911 call. He called to report a suspicious person. He was asked if he was following that person, he admitted that he was, then was advised that he didn’t need to do that, and then he said “OKAY”) (NEWS ALERT! If you intend to murder someone-you WOULDN’T call 911!) There HAD been break-ins at homes in the neighborhood by BLACK men, so Zimmerman DID have a reason to be on the look-out for SUSPICIOUS people! Whether you want to admit it or not, CRIMINALS pull-up hoodies to HIDE THEIR IDENTITIES when they are breaking the law! As for the girl friend’s account, she heard 1 side of the conversation and just because she heard Trayvon say “Why are you following me?” doesn’t mean that he wasn’t the one who had instigated the confrontation! Now as for the rest of your RANT! How about addressing the problems of the Black people that they CAN solve themselves, instead of blaming ALL WHITE PEOPLE for them. GET AN EDUCATION, instead of dropping out of school. IT’S FREE! GET A JOB! STOP THE DRINKING! STOP DOING DRUGS! PULLUP YOUR PANTS AND QUIT GLAMORIZING THUGS! QUIT DRESSING AND ACTING LIKE WHORES! STOP HAVING KIDS OUT OF WEDLOCK! TEACH YOUR CHILDREN RESPECT–RESPECT FOR THEMSELVES-RESPECT FOR THEIR PARENTS-RESPECT FOR THEIR ELDERS-RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY FIGURES-RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE’S PROPERTY! STOP ACTING LIKE YOU”RE ALWAYS A VICTIM! You seem to think that black people in general are UNFAIRLY persecuted. Instead of constantly blaming other people for causing your problems, try taking a little responsibility! It starts with GOOD parenting! Children NEED to be taught by their own parents that “actions have consquences” and that “they control how their life turns out”, and whether they choose to work hard to get an education and get ahead, or they choose a life of crime and heartache, the CHOICE IS ULTIMATELY THEIRS!

    • castaway

      You are very correct, You do not have the balls to face the truth. Your thoughts are scattered at best.

  • Jim

    We will have to see what the facts bear out on this case as it is presented in a court of law. The only thing that is clear at this moment is that it is being presented as Whitey out to kill the innocent black kid. Whitey in this case is a hispanic and the continuing showing of the kid in pictures that clearly are of him at 9 or 10 years of age are just fanning the flames of rage. Of course the circus of Al, Jesse, and Brother Louie are clearly doing their best to stir up the masses. I believe more and more of this will occur around the country this summer to get the black vote solidly out for Obozo.

  • charles cross

    Mark my word, gun rights will be under attack like never before and some of our so called friends in congress will be the worst offenders. Pray for anyone but obama in November OBAMA ;One Big Awful Mistake Amerika !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • eddie47d

      Only proves that having a gun doesn’t necessarily make you safer and can prove deadly for either side.

      • Vicki

        Then again Zimmerman gets to be judged by 12 rather than carried by 6 so his having a firearm (likely) saved his life. Unless the race baiting flames consume him. I wonder if any of them will be charged with incitement.

  • s c

    I’m sure the trip to Florida will be another write-off in the name of social justice. This trip must seem a bit awkward, though. I wonder if Jesse and Al will have to re-write their race card tech manual.
    It seems like quite a challenge. Some folks just don’t stay within the proper guidelines (whitey is no longer the sole perp in this type of crime?). I wonder if the black panthers also get a write-off for the trip to Florida. Social justice and the care and pampering of the race card is VERY expensive.
    Like the motto says on that manual that Jesse and Al carry around, ‘the ends justify the means’ [especially when we're the designated high priests who own the race card monopoly]. Enjoy, folks. It’s the blue plate special and its flavor is old-fashioned discrimination with a big dash of hypocrisy on the side.
    Does anyone remember what due process is and means? Obviously, Washington has not a clue. As for Jesse and Al, forget it.

    • FreedomFighter

      The natives are restless, and Obama Cares, Obama loves you, Obama is your man, controlled by the media for Obama, aimed to elect Obama. Vote Obama he thinks you son could be his son…

      PSY-OPS opportunity operation to increase black support for our dictator and chief, the black population is being duped again, just as they are waking up to the lies Obama is spewing.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • 45caliber

      sc:

      I did notice this morning that the NEW black panthers are offering a $10,000 reward for whoever shoots Zimmerman.

      • Raggs

        Are you kidding???
        I thought that it is illegal to hire a hit on someone?
        But of cource these are black panthers and eric holder won’t do a damm thing but protect them.

      • L.M.

        Does that mean I can put a $50.00 REWARD on the capture of Malik Shabazz “Dead or Alive”? I mean, he’s obviously guilty of solicitation of murder and I think he should be arrested!

      • 45caliber

        LM

        You can’t do that! He’s black! You can only do that for whites!

        However, you’d probably have to pay off if you did. A lot of people would be happy to cap someone for $50. That’s a couple of lumps of crack!

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  • dan

    This is why you carry concealed…so if some 6’3″ drug using/thrice thrown out of school/grill wearing/ burglary-tool toting/ hoodie-wearing/pants around his knees/
    suspicious acting punk 17 year old sits on top of you slamming your head into the sidewalk… you can shoot him…preferably more than once…. before he gets your gun from your limp or dead body and caps your Latino a$$.
    Liberals like Karolyn just don’t get it because they don’t WANT to get it.

    • FreedomFighter

      My dad told me once:

      Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • 45caliber

      dan:

      According to the way most libs believe (think) it is better to die than it is to harm another being. After all, that person can be arrested after your death and sentenced to serve life in prison if he accomplishes his desire by killing you. It is “HORRIBLE” (their word) to harm another human.

      Personally, I’ve never seen the difference between a human trying to harm me and a bear trying to harm me.

      • 45caliber

        Perhaps I should say that it is better to die IF IT IS SOMEONE ELSE DYING than it is to harm another human. If it is them being attacked then it is perfectly acceptable FOR THEM to defend themselves. Just not you.

    • Harry

      And Black people like me don’t get it because?

      And Dan you kew those accusations against him just by watching him walk in your neighborhood? And you follow someone around and approach him in the dark, so you instigate the conflict, so when a conflict occurs you get to shoot him? Instead on not apporaching him like the police told you? What makes him suspicous looking – a black kid in a hoodie in your neighborhood? Please!

    • castaway

      Maybe she is black herself, or has a black daddy in the house, telling the woman with the low self asteem what to do. But then as you say those liberals are really messed up.

      • Karolyn

        Said like the rude, racist you are, castaway.

        • http://www.facebook.com/Gaia2Joe Elizabeth Moultrie

          Castaway, not only a racist, but an ignorant one. It’s “esteem,” not “asteem”.

  • Jim K

    Having seen and heard what little evidence there is on this case:
    Photographs of Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries, face and head, taken shortly after the incident
    Information on Mr. Martin’s dismissal from school for marijuana violation
    Statement from sole witness
    Recording from dispatcher
    Relative physical statute of Mr. Martin and Mr. Zimmerman

    The findings of the medical examiner should be able to determine distance and position of the gun to fatal injury and whether or not the deceased was under the effects of non-prescription drugs. In view of recent court cases and legal precedence, whether Mr. Martin was shot in the back of chest should have little bearing, especially if he was shot at close range and a struggle was in progress.

    It seems a bit premature to ascertain whether this was a hate crime (either Black or Hispanic motivated), homicide, or self defense. With the wording of Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law and the lack of evidence or witness to support the deceased, a reasonable person and a civil/criminal court would be hard pressed to bring forth a case on Mr. Zimmerman.

  • 45caliber

    The latest information I’ve seen states that Zimmerman followed Martin when Martin entered an area that wasn’t known to him. When Martin turned on Zimmerman, Zimmerman tried to return to his vehicle. Martin threw him to the ground, sat on him, and began beating him.

    Someone (name not given beyond a first name) witnessed the attack and called it in to 911. The 911 call has the voice of someone yelling for help (identified by the witness as Zimmerman) and then the sound of a shot. Zimmerman had a bloody nose, bruises, other injuries, and grass stains on the back of his shirt when the police arrived. When the press first started covering this story, they identified Zimmerman as a white who was in a Neighborhood Watch group but deleted the race when it was discovered that Zimmerman was half Latin.

    Martin was supposed to be a “good boy” according to family as the MSM reported it. However in the last two days, it has come out that he was caught with burglar tools and women’s jewelry at least once by the police, believed involved in at least two burglaries, and was in constant trouble at school, including (according to his own Facebook comment) “swinging at a bus driver”. He was on 5 day suspension from school at the time of his arrest.

    According to this, it sounds as if Zimmerman was not only in the right but was attempting to retreat at the time of the attack, which blows away the “Right to Stand” that the press is now attacking as a cause of this death.

  • Don

    Excellent article and perspective!

  • Benton Bain

    Trayvon Martin was suspend 3 times from school; defacing lockers, caught with a marijuana pipe & baggie and school bag containing 12 women’s jewelry including wedding band, diamond earrings, watch & with screwdriver described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police.

    Are Dwyane Wade, LeBron James & Miami Heat teammates, & Ray Lewis of NFL Baltimore Ravens putting up the lynch money for the Black Panthers wanted dead or alive bounty???

    Hollywood negroid Spike Lee put the address & phone number on the internet of George Zimmerman with the only obvious reason to create violence or intimidation. The addresses & phone numbers of Lee, the donors of the lynch money, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton (remember Tawany Brawley), and the Black Panthers should be equally put on the internet!!!

  • RichW

    The reality is that when the cops arrived, they found a man badly beaten, who had clearly fired in self-defense. While it appears that Zimmerman followed Martin for a time after being told to “back-off”, when he lost track of the thug, he did back-off, and returned to his car. Zimmerman was attacked AT HIS CAR, as he attempted to follow the dispatcher’s instructions. He only fired his gun as Martin was pounding his head on the sidewalk. The reason the cops turned him loose was simple. His story was consistent and backed up by clear physical evidence. The planet has been cleared of another worthless thug, but Zimmerman will be targeted for the rest of his life for simple self-defense.

    • eddie47d

      Apparently the police didn’t gather all the evidence and Zimmerman didn’t tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There is much more to this case and the witness who heard the cries for help said it had to be a kid not an adult. The police didn’t bother to check that out at the time of the murder. Plenty to sort out.

  • http://none noveldog2301

    They want to make it a racial issue so as to help Obama get sympathy votes.

    If this gentleman is proven innocent will the NAACP, and the News Medai pay his court cost, lawyer fees, and any other expenses he may have incurred because of their interference? They should! If they are held accountable, it just may make them think twice before they jump into the middle of something they know so little about….next time!

  • merlin

    Why does Obama find it necessary to comment on a local law enfrocment issue? When he does you can be sure that a black person is involved.

    • 45caliber

      merlin:

      What I find interesting is that he comments on issues like this based on what the media is saying without waiting to find out the real facts. Then, when the real facts come out, he has do to some fast repairs to his comments. I’m surprised he still believes the MSM.

      • eddie47d

        What did he say that was different from the facts and not the typical anti-Obama BS?

  • http://personalliberty.com/2012/03/27/racing-past-justice/?eiid= LindaSK

    This should not be tried in the media. None of us has all the facts. We have been presented with conflicting accounts that cannot all be true. It should be tried in a court of law. A teenager was shot and killed. We know this for a fact. The world has been told who pulled the trigger. That does not give us the right to act as judge and jury.

    In America, it used to be that a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Why not let justice, not vengeance, prevail? Have we become so cynical that we believe the opposite to be true. We certainly see it everyday in our airports where perfectly innocent individuals are subjected to illegal searches in the name of Homeland Security. We see it in abortion where the innocent are killed at alarming rates. Our media thrives on the sensational, and we jump on the bandwagon. I just want to see the truth unfold in a court of law and see justice done. If not, this sets a precedence for others to take the law in their own hands. Who will the next victim be? Both families are victims of speculation now. I pray for them all.

    • RichW

      The evidence clearly shows what Zimmerman and the police have claimed from the beginning. Zimmerman was attacked by a physically superior individual, and fired in self-defense, in fear of his life. This is clearly both an appropriate use of force, and a fully justified shooting. Should there be an investigation? Obviously some want one. But unless someone comes out with facts not currently in evidence, (Doubtful but not impossible.) The world was improved on March 2nd.

      • http://personalliberty.com/2012/03/27/racing-past-justice/?eiid= LindaSK

        This should not be tried in the media. It has become a matter of speculation, and the media will exploit it as long as it has a following which generates financial gain and more sensationalism and more financial gain… – which is often more important to them than a quest for the truth. We have a justice system with judges and juries to establish innocence or guilt where two parties have different perspectives in an alleged crime. People take each other to court over trivial garbage. This is a serious matter, and both parties deserve their day in court. When you search for articles on this tragedy, you can find those supporting both sides. Let’s end the media circus and settle it once and for all in the courts. I would think that Mr. Zimmerman would want to put an end to this. I feel badly for both parties and will not base my judgment on the feeding frenzy the media has made of this.

        In my opinion, the whole situation could have been avoided, and this is nothing short of a tragedy for all involved. I pray that it not generate more tragic events. When do we hold the media accountable for events fueled by their sensationalism?

    • castaway

      Are you one of those who think we should not have the right to protect ourselves? This one definitly falls under self defense, and should not ever go to court. That will set a precident, that if you want to mess with someone you might need to be willing to give the supreme sacrifice. I do believe that if the majority of us carried a weapon, and knew how to use it, crime would drop drastically.

      • eddie47d

        …or there may be more innocent victims by gun toting cowboys. Shoot first and ask questions later. We got your message way back castaway!

      • Vicki

        castaway writes:

        I do believe that if the majority of us carried a weapon, and knew how to use it, crime would drop drastically.

        Doesn’t even have to be a majority of us. Just having law abiding citizens able carry concealed has greatly reduced crime EVERYWHERE it has been implemented.

        Now unlike Eddie47d who commented about cowboys and offered no evidence (Like Obama’s LFBC eddie has no evidence to offer) I shall now offer evidence to support my assertion.
        http://www.kc3.com/CCDW_Stats/fla_model.htm

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    This is making a Blacks V.s Everyone Else: POOR BLACKS…
    Cage the Panthers…

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      And… The Albino Panthers too…

  • Average Joe

    For all of the “race” issue folks here, you cannot put out a fire by fanning the flames…it only makes the fire get bigger. The same holds true on the “Race” issue…if you folks stop fanning the flames, the fire will eventually go out, but if you continue fanning the flames….you will eventually burn down the entire nation….STOP FANNING THE FLAMES!

    You live and learn. At any rate, you live.
    Douglas Adams

    • Raggs

      Tell that to your supreme leader… oblama is the one who stirred this pot in order to get the black community angry at the white community.. oblama did this to get votes from the blacks.

      • Average Joe

        My supreme leader?…er…that would be….God……
        If you are insinuating that I, in any way support Obama in …you obviously have never read anything by me here ( I am a huge Ron Paul supporter and have been for around 20 years)…..I am no fan of the business as usual, big goobermint, Oligarchy types….who currently infest every aspect of elected, public life in our nation.
        I am also, not a fan of the MSM. I believe that they should all have the license to do business revoked, as they are guilty of “Yelling, fire! in a crowded theater” when there there was none. It seems that the media is so worried about ratings, that it puts others in harms way…in order to achieve thse “ratings”.
        This is a prime example, this is not national news…this is local news, for Sanford, Florida…period. The media, by sensationalizing this one, single inccident (in a Nation of 300 mil. plus people) and turned it into a media circus and racial, feeding frenzy. It has endangered the lives of not only George Zimmerman, it has endangered the citizens of Sanford and of the rest of the nation…because of possible racial violence (think Watts, LA etc.)
        Let’s look at the soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan etc….when one or two individuals do something “heinous in nature” (or minor as the case may be)…the media goes out of their way to sensationalize the issue (think Quran burning by the goofy minister) and ends up putting our troops in harms way…all to get their “ratings”….this minister was local oddity…nothing more, nothing less…had the MSM, not sensationalized the way they did…only the people in his town…would have even knew about the burning….
        I believe that the MSM needs to have it’s First Amendment rights revoked and be forced to pay resitution to every human being in the world that they have done harm to, through their irreponsible sensationalizing of events, for personal gain…without consideration for the harm theywill do.

        I believe that the SCOTUS has already ruled on yelling, “Fire!…in a crowded theater”.

  • David169

    There are a few real issues here:
    1. The concealed weapon reciprocity bill was just introduced into the senate.
    2. This is an election year and it’s time to get people emotional rather than thinking.
    3. Race baiting has worked in the past to cover issues like a bi-partisan new law taking away free speach and attempts to surrender our sovernty to the UN.
    4. The democrats will jump at any possible anti-gun issue.
    5. The democrats will jump at any anti-white issue.
    6. This issue demonstrates the racial bias of the administration because when a bounty for a murder is publicly posted the justice department should have already issued warrants.
    7. Our supposed president is a willing participant of an overt attempt to incite riots by race baiting.

    • Raggs

      Exactly!

  • David169

    To Ben Crystal,
    Get your facts right. Obama is not 50% black. Obama is 1/2 white, 7/16 arabic and 1/16 black. That is why the NAACP refused to certify him as a black candidate. In US law you must be at least 1/8 of a given race to call yourself a member of that race.
    Obama can call himself white or arabic but when he calls himself black it is a lie.

    • chuckb

      where did you get that baloney, 1/16th black? his father is pure african black, that is if the so called father is truly his father.

      • 45caliber

        chuck:

        Are you sure? I’ve seen some of the reports that David is apparently quoting. Several insist that Obama Sr. was 7/8 Arabic and 1/8 black – which is certainly possible in that area. I can’t say what he is for sure and no one else can either.

    • 45caliber

      David:

      In the US it is legal to call yourself whatever race you wish. No one has to believe you but it is legal. The only ones who start getting antsy about it are groups like Indian tribes who set up their own requirements for membership (1/4 for Indians).

  • chuckb

    where is the media on the shooting in mississippi, evidently three blacks shot an killed a whitre college student, can you find any uproar in the white community? and another thing, i understand the black kid was six foot three and zimmerman is five foot two, mar4tin was a football player and an other obvious distortion, the picture of martin was taken when he was twelve. this is no doubt a happening that has political advantages. sharpton and jackson should be tarred and feathered and sent back to kenya with barry and holder.

  • Donald York

    What seems strange to me is, Trayvon Martins mother has copyrighted her sons name, like maybe she expects to make money on her dead sons namesake. The kid is’nt even cold in his grave yet. Give me a break. It’s bad enough that he is dead in the first place. Tragedies like this happen in cities on a daily basis, and it is shameful that it is that way. It does’nt matter wherther the kid was black or white, or; green for that matter. What matters is that a YOUNG MAN IS DEAD! President Obama jumped in the fray unnecessarily to sway his voters to his side. “Never let a crisis g to waste”. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are race baiters, that’s ready to stir up trouble at the drop of a hat (Obamas hat), and where is Eric Holder in this matter? He should be arresting the leader of the new blacki panther party for calling for death threats on George Zimmermans head? Well, we know that wont happen, don’t we? I do beleive that Zimmerman should be in custody and that true justice should prevail in this matter, not a rush to justice like what is in play.

    • Raggs

      Mrs.Martin will no longer be getting welfare checks off of her son so she has to suppliment her income.

    • Jim K

      Just why should Mr. Zimmerman be in custody? In our society, with the media’ assistance, that equates to guilt. I guess you thought it was alright to assassinate Richard Jewel’s character after the Olympic bombing. Due process does not allow the powers that be to hold a suspect in custody for weeks without evidence or witnesses. Grow up this is a railroad job by a president that cares naught for the law or the Constitution. His actions speak for themselves.

  • STEVE E.

    Let suppose that Zimmerman was tried in court, and the facts of the case found him not guilty of any crime. Will there be anything like the Watts riots taking place? If so, then people will need to posses their firearms.

    • 45caliber

      I suspect that the feds will retry him on civil rights violations and find him guilty – even if he is as pure as the driven snow – just to make sure no one gets angry enough to start a riot. After all, it is better (for them) to inprison an innocent man than it is to allow someone else to cause them problems.

    • eddie47d

      There is little evidence that Zimmerman is innocent and some that he is guilty so let the courts sort it out. You can conjecture all you want until the pigs fly for that matter.

  • Pete0097

    The worst thing is that it all could have been prevented with a little communication. You know where Zimmerman identifies himself as the neighborhood watch guy and the kid identifies himself as a neighborhood kid going back home. Then maybe the worst thing that happened is the kid would be embarassed to be walked home by an adult to his loving parents late at night. There would be one less dead kid and one less person with a killing on his conscience.

    • 45caliber

      Couple of questions:

      What was this “kid” doing out at 3 a.m.?

      How do you know he was going home to his loving parents?

      So far, no one has answered the first question and the second question is being answered by others … not the kid.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      There was communication. Just not the kind you like or Martin liked.
      Zimmerman was attacked by the man Martin and had to shoot him in self defense.

  • jopa

    castaway;How did you get out of my dumpster?You truly picked the perfect name for yourself by implying you are trash.I think you need some anger management and a little more compassion for your fellow human being.

  • Wyatt

    As usual , there are those who are blindly accepting the liberal mass media version of the story . They weren’t there neither were any of us . The media cherry picked parts of the police account , which was incomplete at the time from what I can read and is still incomplete . But people on both sides are rushing to judgement for or against . From what I am now hearing and reading , Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle when he was confronted and attacked . Now if it was from the front or behind , I haven’t a clue . But the visual evidence seemingly supports Zimmerman’s account as does that of a witness who saw part of the attack . All physical evidence , head and face wounds , the dirt and grass stains and the damp marks an the back of Zimmerman’s shirt also support his version of the story .

    Now I do not know Florida’s fire arms carry policy , is it illegal to carry a firearm , was it concealed and did Zimmerman have a permit to own and carry a fire arm ? these fact’s haven’t been made public . We are left to assume that it was legal to have the gun on his person . But then the media could be omitting these facts to sensationalize the story . All we know is that a youth is now dead and a mans life is in ruins because of it . Taking a human life scars a person for life .

    As for Al Shapton and Jessie Jackson , those two racist hatemongers have found their new cause to stir up the flames . Their rhetoric will spark tension and in all probability a riot that will cause even more animosity . Both should have their mouths sewn shut for the good of every one . And maybe , along with one individual on here who shall remain nameless , be given an enema and sent on a 20 mile hike where no rest rooms exist .
    .

    • 45caliber

      Wyatt:

      “Taking a human life scars a person for life .”

      I’ve always wondered where that statement came from. Do you know?

      Taking a human life does not scar you for life … if the person deserved it.

      • RichW

        I think it came from the same liberal scholars who want you to believe that it’s never proper to shoot a thug who’s beating your head on the sidewalk next to your car. Which is why it would apply here, obviously. Although, over 30 years in the military, I have seen a few who were scarred for life by taking even one human life. On the other hand, I’ve known many unfazed by having to shoot a significant number of people. I have to suspect I’d feel bad for an hour or more. Or at least until I got home and washed the thug’s blood off.

      • Karolyn

        RichW- Are you proud of that Mr. Macho Man?

        • RichW

          Proud of what? The facts? The 30 years of service? The fact that I’ve seen a lot in my life? All of the above? Answer to the last:

          Yes. No doubt.

      • Karolyn

        Rich- You sound like taking the life of another human being is just a ho-hum inconvenience, and you’re proud of that?

        • RichW

          Karolyn, When done in the line of duty, or to protect myself or those I love, it would certainly be “Ho, hum”. I’m not certain why you seem to think that my attitude in either circumstance is inappropriate. Unless of course, like so many in this case, you believe we should just let thugs beat us to death, or watch helplessly while they savage our loved ones.

      • Sirian

        No Karolyn, it’s not a matter of “pride”, it’s a matter of rational thought and how it is dealt with on a personal level. Once you’ve been confronted with a life or death situation you might understand. Until then, very doubtful. This applies to everyone – always has and always will.

        • RichW

          Sirian, When you’re on the same side of the wall that the bullets are hitting two things become immediately obvious. 1. Life is very short and very precious. 2. You’re on the wrong side of the wall!

          Unless you’ve been there, it’s hard to understand exactly how much more important #1 is than #2.

      • eddie47d

        Walking home doesn’t make one a thug Rich W. of coarse in your biased opinion.

        • RichW

          eddie, I’d agree, except that when he was shot he wasn’t walking home. He was attacking and beating someone who had confronted him about his actions earlier, THEN LEFT! Had Martin not followed Zimmerman and attacked him we wouldn’t be having this discussion. The thug is the attacker. The victim is the attackee.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        Yes, Rich is right. So is Sirian. In a life and death situation, where your life is on the line just as much as his life is, there is no worries later about whether you did the right thing or not. You KNOW you did the right thing. The real questions are: why was he killed? Was it beneficial to your world? Did it save lives (yours or someone else’s)?

        As a result, perhaps you would consider it scarring since after you think about it you realize that many other arguments by the left aren’t true either. Is the death penalty okay? Yes, because it eliminates rogues that would attack and harm others. And don’t think because they are locked in prison the rest of their lives that they won’t attack and harm others. We need to use it more often. Should the death penalty be used for other reasons that murder? Yes, because rape and child molestation causes life-long harm to the victims. And don’t insist a good psychologist can cure them; they can’t. Only the psychologists believe they can. They can help but there are always still scars. People who harm others like that should be elliminated for the good of all. Even animals kill their own rogues.

      • Sirian

        I fully understand RichW. That’s what I was trying to get through to Karolyn but. . . Both points 1. & 2. are so true yet so many can’t or won’t even attempt to understand.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Wyatt’s “adage” if you can call it that is simply pious BS. No soldier or policeman of my knowledge would even say something that stupid.

      • Vicki

        If I were to kill someone in self defense I would not be scarred for life as I have done my duty to protect the precious gift of life given to me by my Creator. The dead guy will have to face his own creator.

        Scarring, if any would come from how society treated me and not the act itself.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Karolyn says: Rich- You sound like taking the life of another human being is just a ho-hum inconvenience, and you’re proud of that?

        Karolyn, my goodness, aren’t you pro-abortion. Do us all a favor and zip-it. Don’t make a fool of yourself!

  • northbrook

    I feel for Zimmerman, no chance for a unbaised trail after all the negative publicity convicted in the public court by the histeric outcry of a family wronged and the liberal press. Hopefully there will be an end to this soon.

    • eddie47d

      That is because the Conservative press always runs from these issues unless they can go to bat for the Zimmerman types. See it does work both ways you just don’t want to notice.

  • Thor

    This is getting more laughable by the minute. None of you…not one!…and especially Eddie, Karolyn and Flashy…have the first clue what the real story is here! The police investigation is not complete. All you know is what the press says about it. The whole controversy is press-driven in an effort to make their own news and divert you from what is really happening! We would not be discussing it here if the President hadn’t answered a question put to him by the press–who could not wait to ask Gingrich and Santorum what they thought about the President’s remarks. Meanwhile, just across the Arizona border just under a million bucks in firearms, military equipment, stolen vehicles and military hardware was taken on a raid by ICE/Mexican DEA–something that was not even reported by the same press. Yet, the President and his minions are suing Arizona in court for trying to protect itself because the President won’t. Meanwhile, in every way possible, this administration is about the task of stealing our rights and money. This demonstrates to me your priorities are no better than the President’s. And, yes, both your attitudes and the President’s actions (and in-actions) make a good ole’boy wanna get violent….

    • 45caliber

      Thor:

      Of the 3 points the American Communist Party (now defunct) set up to take over the US, the second it was to take control of the news media and prevent the people from finding out what was going on …

      Sounds like the government – or someone – has that one tied down solid, doesn’t it?

      • RichW

        45, Whatever makes you think the ACP is defunct? They are alive and well. Their legal arm, the National Lawyers Guild, is still a major player in many universities, and the party itself, while reluctant to say their own name out loud, is still very much alive and active.

      • 45caliber

        Rich:

        The ACP party is defunct. The members joined the Democrat Party.

        • RichW

          45, I’d argue that the Demoncrat party has adopted much of the ACP platform, but the ACP still exists. By not claiming official ACP status, most Demoncrats can distance themselves a bit from their founding ideals. You know, like slavery, genocide,….

      • Nadzieja Batki

        They not only joined it but are running it.

      • Sirian

        45caliber,
        Check this out:
        http://www.cpusa.org/

    • eddie47d

      Yes Thor we (I) saw the original cover up so how about you? This issue didn’t happen yesterday and is only being brought up by the Johnny come late-lies in the Conservative community. The whole situation is questionable but did you care when it occurred?

      • Vicki

        MSM may be many things but it is certainly not conservative.

  • http://netscape.net Sean Golden

    This had everything to do with race.This is the end result of what happens when our country votes to enact laws that have no real reason to exist.I would also point out how racially intolerant this country has become since we voted in President Obama,this has been the only sitting President who has had to put up with such obvious racism towards himself and his policies its just plain stupid,and then reading and hearing the right(nut jobs)wing trying to play this off as a”terrible accident” or “the hoodie is to blame” once again shows why you people can not be taken seriously and should never be allowed to hold any public office.I live in the south,and I promise you the same number of people who were upset by this, the same number said outloud or in private to others”oh well thats one less n!%#r to worry about”Once again Florida has paved the way to show us our short comings as a country and what exactly can happen when you vote just party (with blind anger at a small few in one party),this is what will happen.To the RW,I say this “GET OVER YOURSELVES,AND MOVE ON”.Look in the mirror and decide if you have no sin and no reason to feel anything but a guilty free mind then feel free to throw those stones.

    • L.M.

      THEN CONSIDER THAN STONE THROWN! I live in the south and I’ve never OWNED a slave and neither did my parents, or my grand-parents, or my great-grand parents! And I’ll bet chances are you’ve never BEEN slave, or your parents, or your grandparents, or probably not even your great-great-grandparents, so GET OVER IT! But I have personally experienced the BLACK ON WHITE CRIME! My elderly mother who was car-jacked, experienced it! My husband who was robbed, kidnapped and murdered, experienced it! My friend who was robbed and murdered, experienced it! My aunt who was beaten and mugged, experienced it! When I was sucker-punched and assaulted at work, I experienced it! SO STOP ACTING LIKE YOU ARE ONLY A VICTIM IF YOU’RE BLACK and ADMIT CRIMINALS OF ALL COLORS HAVE WORN HOODIES TO HIDE THEIR IDENTITIES!

  • 45caliber

    I’ll make you a bet if the courts release Zimmerman of murder in this case. He will be charged under the federal law of “violation of civil rights” and will be convicted of that. The federal government will NOT allow any innocent verdict for him in this case for fear they would lose too many black votes.

    • Sirian

      BINGO!! you hit it 45, dead center!! Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it were already in the works at the DOJ. Depends on how much of a twist can be exerted on existing evidence.

    • Raggs

      Mamma martan is damm sure going to sue because she lost her welfare child.

      • Karolyn

        Despicable! You know nothing about these people!

  • Alfredo

    What about the incident in Miami less than a year ago were two young Hispanics a male and female were gun down in a gas station in Miami by three young Blacks. Before he was shot he told them to take his money and the car and to please spare his and the girl’s life, and instead they shot them both. Did you hear Obama say anything about that? Or did you hear about the leaders of the community say anything? Or did you hear the Rev. Al Sharpton or Jessee Jackson say anything about it either? No one did said anything because they were not Black.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Race hustlers and politicians of a certain variety are opportunists. The case you mentioned only leaves a void in the families that cared for the young that were killed.
      Did the black community hand over the murderers to the police? In all probability the community knew who they were.

  • http://N/A CintiCB

    He was visiting relatives. Try looking at the facts-even if the facts don’t support your 1930′s and 1940′s mindset!

  • Big Red

    What happen to innocent until proven guilt in American. both side have already decided who is guilt and who is innocent before we have a trial.

    • Crystal

      Well Martin was considered guilty at first and this was suppose to be swept under the rug. Now that the incident has been made public, Martin is no longer guilty. They are now taking a strong look at Zimmerman.

  • antonio

    How is it that they can march with a million people over a dead teenager, but we cannot get a million people together when they are taking away our constitutional rights away?

  • Karolyn

    Well, today we had the opportunity for the real conservative racists to reveal themselves, and, for the most part, they are not regular posters. All I have to say is, It feels good to be out of the dark ages; why don’t you try it? Or are you too old to change? Sad.

  • antonio

    Why dont all these people get up and protest for these two people?
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539927,00.html
    Oh yeah, thats an easy one, because they were white…

    • eddie47d

      There were protests in Knoxville but by white supremacists who stole the headlines and turned people off. It also said that the NAACP came out in a statement and condemned the killers and said they wouldn’t wish this incident on anyone. Those killers aren’t getting any sympathy from anyone. Every mid sized and large city has terrible crimes that no one knows about outside that community so it is not because the victims were white. .

  • just amused

    Every liberal responder here shows that ALL liberals need serious tutoring in how to have THEIR OWN THOUGHTS!
    Maybe nutless.org or carpetlicker.com can help!

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  • Crystal

    First and foremost a traditional family unit (mother and father in the home) lost their first born son. This alone should bring sympathy to people who are human. Second, today they played the entire 911 call from Zimmerman. Zimmerman pursued this kid after being told not to. He also in the 911 call said, “These a__ holes are always getting away.” He said this after he lost sight of the kid. So in order for him to murder Martin, he had to go looking for him after the 911 call. Zimmerman is Hispanic. Now why Hispanics (who have a tradition here in Southern California for disliking Black people) and other Black people get a free ride when murdering other Blacks is a mystery to me. I’m Black and moved my son away from danger when he was still a toddler. Come to find out today that a lot of other Black people have been doing the same for several years now.

    • AZMarc

      Martin was 17 but at night, a 6’2” man in a hoodie seen from the side and the rear it would not be possible to guess his age. There is also the part about Trevor carrying the skittles and ice tea “when he was gunned down” when in fact he was on top of Zimmerman (having returned to attack him after he got away) pounding his head into the ground and that would have been hard to do with both hands carrying snacks. He obviously put the drink down and put the skittles away. Zimmerman pulling his weapon and firing upward while being beaten after turning away and walking back toward his vehicle proves self-defense. I hope Zimmerman sues Spike Lee for trying to post his address, Twitter for allowing it, and the NBP for trying to hire people to commit murder. Don’t forget to sue Spike Lee’s production company and trust that owns all his stuff.

    • RichW

      You see Crystal, that’s the problem with ignoring the FACTS. The fact is that after Zimmerman lost sight of Martin, he headed back to his truck. Zimmerman was a designated neighborhood watch leader, so he was entirely within his rights to attempt to keep Martin in sight, and given the high rate or burglaries in the neighborhood was certainly within his rights to be frustrated that the a^&*les kept getting away. But, the fact remains that Martin, seeing Zimmerman returning to his truck, didn’t just go on home, he followed Zimmerman, attacked him violently, and to all appearances was attempting to kill him, when Zimmerman finally pulled the gun and saved himself. Those facts fit everything else we know, including that the responding officers turned Zimmerman loose that night to return home WITH his firearm. While the facts are a bit inconvenient to the racist message of BHO, Sharpton, Jackson, and the NBP, they remain the facts. Should there have been more investigation? Maybe. But in such a clear cut case, the cops made a judgement call. I don’t see a problem, but then I’m not a racist, nor a supporter of racist thugs.

  • chuckb

    i think it’s time we cordon off areas for the black race, so they can be policed by there own, judged in there own courts and taught in their own schools. between them and the civil rights attorneys and organizations it’s getting to the point if you look crossed eyed at a black your but will end up in trouble or jail. they demand equality, that means what’s equal for them is their decision.
    the media and the politicians have caused these problems, the blacks can riot, kill and little is done. their claim, they deserve it from the past history of mistreatment. well this past history will never be forgiven in their eyes, there’s too much money out there to be claimed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joev2v Joseph Jr Vanchieri

    Amen to letting the law work its self out. I Zimmerman is lying the witnesses will say so if not then he acted in self defense. I just hope this hatred that the liberals are pushing calms down enough for the truth to be told.

  • dan luster

    Funny how this shooting occured one month ago, and only in the last week has it become a national tempest. Funny also how one month ago, in Kansas City, a 13 year old white kid was severely burned by two 16 year old black punks, in an overtly racially motivated attack. As far as media coverage, it was so quiet last summer you could here a mouse fart regarding the black-on-white flash-mob beat-downs whites were subjected to all over the country. I wish the best for all Americans, but the leftist culture sculptors are truly the grand manipulators of most racial controversy.After all, racial animosity is good for business at DNC headquarters and in the back pockets of race-baiting poverty-pimps. That being said, if Zimmerman was the agressor, he shouldn’t abuse the Stand-Your-Ground defense, and justice should be done. Let’s just keep the blindfold on ole Lady Justice.

  • Saul T. Pepper

    “Trayvon felt threatened by someone following him what would you do?”.. (eddie47d)

    Me? You’re asking ME what would I do? Well, as I stopped running I probably would have noticed him heading back to his truck (from that hidden distance) and as such I damn sure wouldn’t have continued the confrontation (as it otherwise seemingly progressed), instead I would have quietly returned to my Dad’s girl friend’s house and maybe call 911 myself and report a strange stalker in the neighborhood.. And I’m a full grown adult!! Note: I’m not defending anyone, I was just asked and answered.

  • Revolutionary Thinker

    Spike Lee and the Black Panther party should be thrown in jail for making terroristic threats. Why has there been no outcry about that development.

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