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Rachel Maddow, Your Attempt At Slander Failed

July 18, 2013 by  

 

Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. And I’m under massive attack by the mainstream media and Barack Obama’s defenders. (Oh right, I repeated myself). I must be doing something right. I must be scaring the Obama socialist cabal to death. I must be hitting a bulls-eye with my opinions.

This past week, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow tried to defame and slander me in a bizarre, rambling 15-minute diatribe on her national TV show. Fifteen minutes on national TV about me. Thank you, Rachel, that’s quite an honor coming from you.

Maddow even gave me a name, “birther.” It sounds similar to “murderer,” except it means only that I dared ask questions about Obama. Funny enough, none of those questions has ever involved his birth or birth certificate. Never. Not once. But hysterical defenders of Obama never let a fact get in the way of a good slander.

Rather than attacking a patriotic American, shouldn’t journalists like Maddow be asking questions of the President? Do the answers to the questions I asked scare her that much? Am I getting that close to the truth? Do I pose that much of a threat?

Perhaps there is a connection to the media’s refusal to ask these questions of our current President and the problems we’re experiencing:

  • An economy in decline.
  • No jobs.
  • Our own government now violating our rights at every turn.
  • It’s using the Internal Revenue Service to intimidate and punish us.
  • It’s using the Environmental Protection Agency to bankrupt the energy industry.
  • It’s using the National Security Agency to spy on us
  • And it’s using the Federal Reserve to bury our children in debt.
  • And it will perhaps soon use drones to kill us — without holding a trial or even hearing the charges.

Every patriotic American — and especially every legitimate journalist — has the responsibility to question the background, character and policies of the person who is the CEO of the world’s most powerful economy, the commander of the world’s most powerful military and the person with his finger on the nuclear button.

Yet if one American actually dares to ask questions about our President, suddenly all hell breaks loose. He gets called names. He is slimed and slandered.

I am that one courageous American. I have many questions about Obama’s background, actions and policies. I’m willing to boldly stand up in public and question and criticize the President. The result: First came vicious IRS attacks. Then, after I beat them again and again, next came the leftist national media attack. Someone is very worried about Wayne Allyn Root.

Saul Alinsky is one of Obama’s heroes and mentors. His book Rules for Radicals, is Obama’s bible, even though Alinsky’s masterpiece is dedicated to Lucifer, the devil. Funny, I’ve never heard the media mention that little fact.

Alinsky’s philosophy is to destroy and discredit any conservative who dares to question you by demonizing him. The strategy is to call him vile names and tell lies, because the end justifies the means. Humiliate and intimidate him so badly, the critic will hide under the covers, never to be seen again. In this case, Maddow’s goal is not only to destroy Wayne Allyn Root, but also to warn other conservatives that if they dare question the President, they too will get the same treatment. So stop asking questions!

My personal story is the achievement of the American dream. The son of a blue-collar butcher, I graduated from Columbia University (class of ’83 with my classmate Obama). Through discipline, sacrifice, personal responsibility, work ethic, enthusiasm for capitalism and a relentless attitude, I became a successful entrepreneur. This has allowed me to give more time to my passion: politics. I became the Vice Presidential nominee of the Libertarian Party, a media personality on FOX News and conservative talk radio, and the author of the national bestseller The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide. I am also the home-school dad of four beautiful children, including a daughter at Harvard and Oxford.

Because of all this success and my media megaphone, Obama’s defenders have me on their radar. I’ve got a bulls-eye on my back. I’m making a difference. And I’m obviously scaring powerful people on the left. In one rambling, raving diatribe on national TV, Maddow slimed me and reduced me to one curse word: “birther.” Let me repeat: I’ve never been a birther. Ever. Not once have I ever questioned any aspect of Obama’s birth or birth certificate.

Alinsky would be proud. This is how you destroy your political opposition, silence dissent and socialize America. This is how big government takes over a once-proud Nation of individuals.

Maddow isn’t alone. In the past few weeks, since I’ve asked critical questions and made common-sense predictions about Obama’s true agenda, Obama’s IRS scandal and the mysterious story of Obama’s years at Columbia University, I’ve come under withering attack from across the liberal media. Jon Stewart’s The Daily Show, Mother Jones magazine, liberal bloggers and now Maddow and MSNBC have made attacking Wayne Allyn Root a national pastime. The attacks intensified as The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide rose on the bestseller list. Coincidence?

Last month, even CNN host Piers Morgan tried to discredit me and bait me into a slugfest on CNN. At least he had the class to do it to my face. Give Morgan credit. Maddow, on the other hand, wouldn’t take the chance to debate me face to face. Rachel, why are you so afraid of the truth?

Maddow gave me so much airtime she might as well have named me “the most evil man in the world.” I’ve been in the TV and entertainment business my whole life. I know full well that no TV host would ever dedicate 15 minutes of a national TV show to one outspoken critic of the President. Not unless they are seriously worried. Not unless he’s hit a bulls-eye.

Maddow’s attack on me is certainly a show of desperation. I’m obviously getting too close to the truth. In the military they say, “You know you’ve reached the target when you start getting hit by flak.”

If I’m so unimportant, why is the liberal media so intent on destroying me? If my instincts about Obama’s scandals are so wrong, why are they so intent on discrediting me? If I’m just some kook, why would Maddow even pay attention to me? Why give me so much precious time on national TV? Does Maddow read PersonalLiberty.com? I didn’t know liberals cared so much what we said here.

But perhaps Maddow has spilled the beans. Perhaps this is a clue that I’m not so unimportant. Perhaps the left knows that I’ve stumbled onto the storyline that could destroy the Obama Presidency. Perhaps they’re afraid far too many Americans are reading about Obama’s purposeful plan to overwhelm the system and destroy capitalism that I unveiled in The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide.

Perhaps they are worried my story about the IRS scandal has legs. I was the first in the country to report a year ago that this IRS scandal is massive and involves the IRS going after individual critics of the President and top GOP donors.

Perhaps my gut instincts about how Obama might have committed fraud to gain entrance to Columbia University is striking chords. Something about Wayne Root has set off alarm bells among Obama’s defenders. They are sweating and panicking. They are desperate to discredit and destroy my reputation.

Rachel, methinks thou protests too much. Remember: I’m from Las Vegas and play a mean game of poker. You’ve tipped your hand. You’re playing with a pair of 2s, you know I’ve got a full house, and you and your liberal friends are obviously desperate to bluff me out of the game.

Newsflash: You failed.

You’ll be sad to know I played to full houses, standing room only, at both FreedomFest and the GOP Women’s Gala in Las Vegas this weekend. The GOP event had to turn guests away. And your slander helped raise thousands of dollars at this weekend’s GOP Women’s Gala. By the way, the highest bid of the event was for a private dinner at the home of Wayne Allyn Root. Sorry, Rachel: You lose.

I draw three conclusions:

  • There is a God.
  • Alinsky is rolling over in his grave.
  • Thank you, Rachel, from the bottom of my Republican conservative heart. You’re the gift that keeps on giving.

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you next week right back here. Same time, same place. God Bless America.

Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle Class Wayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • Leon Barber

    A good read. Keep up the good work.

    • FreedomFighter

      Maddcow is certainly is a loser, her show is harder to watch then paint drying and her show has less audience than a buffalo farting in a field.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • Deerinwater

        I could easily believe that you would think so FF.

        Actually she offered a very in-depth , reveling program for sometime ~ but she has now squandered her found acclaim by promoting too much fairy dust, matters that “straights” find no interest in what so ever.

        Fairies only comprise 4 to 7 % of the population ~ ( I fear it more, it’s hard to count things that can’t be seen or identified) but even at 10% of the population ~ numbers too weak for mass appeal. ~ An oddity item she will always be in our lifetime.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Deer, where is your tolerance? It sounds like you’re conflicted between left-wing ignorance and right-wing ignorance.

          • Deerinwater

            You mean that there is a difference? Is that anything like a better smelling sheep?

          • vicki

            Yes there is a difference. Though ignorance is universal and some say is bliss, the things that a person is ignorant of can be vastly different.

        • Bob666

          Yo Deer,

          That was good!

          • Deerinwater

            thanks for you input Bob. ~ I don’t enjoy much support here as you know ~`and it’s always welcome to hear. Being the designated turd in the punch bowel places me at somewhat of a disadvantage it seems. But I’ve never been one to take the easy road home. I enjoy mixing it up. As a child I was groomed as a space violator, ~ long story. ~ With the help of the legal system, ~ I mended my flawed ways ~ but I have not forgot them. At being just plain ornery , mean, nasty and plain spoken, I excel. ~ Just how much do they wish to see?

            “Love , ~ exciting and new “~ All aboard the Love Boat!

          • Bob666

            Yo Deer,

            We are but a few that employee the voice of reason, the aptitude for learning and the ability to both listen and communicate without judgement.

            You can lead a house to water-but you can’t shove his head into the trough of knowledge and quench a thirst that does not exist.

  • independent thinker

    Go get them Wayne.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Wayne vs Morgan:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d4C9lbdjT8
    Piers says — “Would you arm every school, every hospital, every church…..”
    Obviously Piers Morgan doesn’t get it. We wouldn’t arm anybody. They would arm themselves if they so chose. And maybe at the next school shooting, the children wouldn’t be sitting ducks for a whack-job who would use one of those “2000+ guns” that wasn’t outlawed.

    We’re still waiting for that self-deportation, Piers.

    • WTS/JAY

      Piers may very well be one of the worst interviewers on the planet. He spends most of the interview lecturing his guest(s), never allowing his guest(s) to get a word in edgewise, while constantly referring to the “American-public” like he knows what the American-public thinks…In short, Piers Morgan is a self-promoting moron!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I second that motion.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Wayne Allan, do not worry. You aren’t first.
    This lesbian did defame and slander Bradlee Dean.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hhmg2rKyco
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT2SplpUlKc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTu_IPfejLM

    • 1baronrichsnot1

      Aw guys, she’s just hungry. all she ate was one.(or so)

  • Harold Olsen

    You call Maddow a journalist? That doesn’t make you look very bright. There are no real journalists on the Joseph Goebbels network. Just what they are, defies labeling — at least, in polite society. My labels for them would probably get me kicked off this and every other site I visit. Besides, I try not to use that type of language.

    • smknnjoe

      That is the one mistake that Wayne made in this piece is to call Rachel the Madcow a journalist. It could be that it was meant as a bit of humor. Madcow??……jounalist???….I’m starting to chuckle already….LOL

  • IsThisAmerica

    Got your ultimate obama survival guide, don’t stop. Get em and kill them with truth, cause they hate the truth.

  • Devasahayam

    Q: What does 0bama have in common with a Jehovah’s Witless?
    A: Both fail and shill when asked rather simple questions — although the Witless only shills a short time, and doesn’t have delusional defenders (such as Madcow) who will keep it running.

    Root has hit a millenium (cricket term rarely used — 10 centuries or 1,000 runs) on this!

  • Juan Ganem

    She{s a very good journalist… but somewhere she has lost her sense of fairness and common sense….I think her sexual behavior has something to do with her new thinking process… defending a homosexual is her thing … CONFUSIUS

    • CJM2

      (S)he’s a very good YELLOW journalist who fears the truth….and (s)he can’t even do a good job “defending” homosexuality.

  • Rich

    WARoot has exposed the truths about obama’s anti-american agenda…and I believe the liberals are worried about scary barry too…just don’t want to admit it..

    • 1baronrichsnot1

      Here comes Barry boo boo.

  • observer

    Actually I cannot recall any politician ever actuallyanswering a question. If you can Wayne please let me know when and where that occurred.

  • Alex

    Wayne Allen Root—you just cannot get enough of yourself, can you?

    Stop whimpering and go spit-shine your “star” on the Las Vegas Walk of Fame. Any PLD readers in Vegas looking for WAR’s little star—it’s right between Bugsy Seigel and Carrot Top….

    • Ed

      It’s like Wayne says “I am touching a Liberal nerve”. Keep up the good work. Time will prove him right! The truth always prevails. Obama? A total FRAUD, anyway you look at it.

      • mark

        Right, truth always prevails. That is why when Obama steps down from office on January 20, 2017, he will be handing over the reigns to President Hillary Clinton. And all you guys can stew in your juices for another 8 years.

        • WTS/JAY

          The way things are shaping-up in the middle-east, we may not live to see 2017, mark. Let’s hope cooler heads will prevail…?

          • Deerinwater

            I hope these events stay on simmer as long as it takes for the Muslim world community to accept that it is they that have a serious divide among their own ~ and it is only for them to correct it.

          • WTS/JAY

            I don’t think we have that kind of time, Deer.

          • Deerinwater

            That’s a grim thought ~ Call me a stubborn hard head ~ but Syria the nation it’s self is of little importance. ~ It’s the balance of power and the demands of markets forces that hang in the balance that most concerning. ~ The Bankers have this already decided I suspect. ~ While unleashing the dogs of war any single out come rarely clear or certain.

            As I see it , nether Russian nor the US , feel good about jumping in the big middle of this regional conflict . While something could happen to change their mind about it. ~

            Who is willing to finance a war ~ when there no one to make a deal with that can be depended on? ~ Send them food , rocks and medicine, just enough to keep it going ~ call it an Muslim Cage Bout World Classic and send out free tickets.

            No really. ~ I jest ~ it’s human tragedy of epic proportion. ~

            But if you will recall ~ our own Civil War was no walk in the park. It was insanity, blood and guts and the way some of today Carolinian talk , it still ain’t over. We cannot even agree today what the war was about. ~ after killing 620,000 Americans.

            To say it was about states rights or slaves or cotton, I can’t agree , I see it as being all about money and the power to gather and control money. ~ how doesn’t much matter at the end of the day.

        • TheOriginalDaveH
    • vicki

      ad hominem

      • WTS/JAY

        And a good one, i dare say! Wayne’s detractors are pulling out all the stops and are providing us with their best in “creative-writing”…Saul would have been very proud!

        • vicki

          The great part about it is just as Wayne mentioned. The harder they attack the closer we are to the truth they wish to hide.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            It is so TRUE,
            They are so STUPID that they do not comprehend
            that.

          • WTS/JAY

            Hmm, what is it about the “truth” that scares them so?

          • 5alive5

            That’s easy to answer. The truth will expose their personal agenda!

    • 5alive5

      I’d much rather listen to Root than a know nothing like MADDCOW!!!

  • KG

    Mr root, or is that “Southern Avenger guy?” You are a hoot! If you watch the video of Rachel’s report you will see Rachel do her amazing undertoned viceration of the Republican foolishness that parades around as the ‘mainstream’ conservative advocates. I feel sorry for you, Mr Root. Rachel is like ‘Black Dynamite.’ Don’t get on her bad side! Cause Hell’s a comming!!!

    • 1baronrichsnot1

      Her bad side? you mean she has a good side? Poor thing is all misunderstood and vengence bound. You see, as a child she was unloved, so now she looks to girls for love.

    • Jack

      KG
      Those who continually attack you are not interested in the “truth”, they
      already have their minds made up. They blindly accept as true, the tall tells that Mr. Root spins to them and they are not going to let the truth stand in their way..
      If any of them clicked on your link they could have watched the segment of the Maddow show that Root was spinning his yarn about. If they had watched the segment they would have learned that it was:
      1. About the Republican Women’s Southern Nevada Pac and the Freedom Fest events that were being held in Las Vegas, Nevada – not about Mr. Root;
      2. It was a 9 minute 41 second segment, not the 15 minutes that Mr. Root repeatedly claimed;
      3.. Most of the segment dealt with the speakers at the events one of which was Mr. Root; and
      4. Only 2 minutes and 50 seconds in anyway dealt with Mr. Rood, while 1 minute and 50 seconds dealt with Sen. Rand Paul and his Southern Avenger staffer.
      Mr. Root, way to go again. You continue to prove that you are both delusional and incapable of telling the truth.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5IGaLTuIkg
        No, Jack, it was almost 15 minutes. And it was a clear hatchet job on anybody who would dare to seek Freedom in this Progressive world. Although, it certainly wasn’t just about Wayne.
        So, Jack, maybe you need to work on that “truth” part yourself.

        Every Freedom lover on this board should listen to that rant by MadCow to see just how desperately the Progressives are trying to keep you Propagandized. And it’s not just Democrats.

        • jack

          DaveH:

          To get to your almost 15 minutes you have to put two different segments of the show together.

          I am glad you acknowledge that the two segments weren’t “just about Wayne”. Dear Mr. Root’s article certainly made it appear that Maddow devoted 15 minutes of her show to attack him.

          What is your problem that prevents you from just being able tot acknowledge that Mr. Root exaggerates almost every thing he says? Admitting, that Mr. Root has a credibility problem does not mean that you can’t express complaints about Obama.

          It would be nice though, if the complaints were based upon the truth – what Obama has actually done – and not upon things that Mr. Root and others falsely claim
          Obama has been done.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t know about the two-segment claim, Jack. I just pulled that from youtube. But feel free to prove to the readers that the 15 minutes is composed of 2 segments. You know, Jack, some evidence, that thing which you Liberal Progressives don’t seem to ever have.
            And what is your problem, jack, that you can’t take me criticizing your comment, like you are criticizing Wayne’s article?
            I couldn’t care less about defending Wayne. My point is that you are the pot calling the kettle black, Jack.
            Also, Jack, I should point out that I am hardly a WayneBot. I find him to be much more of a Republican than a Libertarian and if he ever tries to run on the Libertarian ticket again, I will be doing everything I can to stop it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Okay, Jack, I’ve done your homework for you. It was 2 segments as you said, but they were back to back and both featured Wayne prominently.
            Go here for library listing for July 11 2013:
            http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39969316/
            The two segments are:
            “Prominent Republicans cozy up to birthers at Las Vegas events” and “Strategist advice to Republicans: ‘Dekookify'”.
            http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow-show/52456315/#52456315
            http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow-show/52456334/#52456334

            I won’t call you a liar, Jack, as you basically called Wayne, but it is strange that you knew exactly how long the first segment was, but didn’t acknowledge the following segment which at 4 minutes and 52 seconds completed the approximately 15 minutes that Wayne claimed.
            If you did that purposely, Jack, you were at the least Equivocating.

          • Jack

            I guess some could say getting directly or indirectly less than 20% of the time is being prominently featured, but
            that is not the point.

            There are three points to what I posted: (1) Mr. Root falsely made it appear that he was the focus of the entire 15 minutes – a practice that he engages in with almost everything he posts on PLD; (2) many people just blindly accept whatever he has to say: (3) no one should just accept what someone says as being true, especially when it is easy to check the facts for themselves.

            For example a Mr. Bullard recently posted a story about the Detroit Bankruptcy filing in which he quoted the judge who ruled the bankruptcy petition had to be withdrawn . Of curse the article and the comments were attacking Obama. He had links to a Detroit Free Press Article which had a link to the judge’s actual Order.

            If a person bothered to link to the article and the Order, it was obvious that what Mr. Bullard claimed the judge said is not what the article said the judge said.

  • KENYAN KRUSHER

    To the Lib/PC/Progressive Elitists truth, facts, honest discourse, rule of law, proper parliamentary protocol mean nothing,….say whatever we want, do whatever we want because we know more than you, we know what you need, etc…therefore the ends justify the means…that is why Kagan did not recuse herself from hearing ObummerCare in the clearest example of a conflict of interest you will ever see…But, Ball-less Roberts let her get away with it, wouldn’t even hear arguments about it!!

    • KG

      “…because we know more than you, we know what you need,”

      Sorta like the Anti-Abortion whackos? Or was that the ultimate right-winger Adolph?

      speech in Munich, 24 February 1941:… For one cannot assume that God exists to help people who are too cowardly and too lazy to help themselves and think that God exists only to make up for the weakness of mankind. He does not exist for that purpose. He has always, at all times, blessed only those who were prepared to fight their own battles…

      SEIG HEIL!

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        Hitler was no right winger, but a leftist in acuality! The anti-abortion crowd is defending a life in the womb that does not yet have their right to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness manifest…and to any rational thinking human being, that life in the womb belongs to God, not the woman!

        • KG

          Why did G-d allow two periods of infanticide without Anti-Abortion protesters?

          • vicki

            Who or what is G-d?

          • KG
          • vicki

            You are orthodox?

          • KG

            If a Rabbi blesses a pig, does that make the pig kosher?

            No…….but it makes the rabbi ‘unkosher’!

            I grew-up in the South. I have a German surname. I remember people commenting on me, with my blonde hair and blue eyes, how ‘Aryan” I looked. I had been invited to join the local KKK, as well as the local Christian Identity people. And this was when David Duke was an active participant in the local white power scene.

            My grandfathers sister started to do our family genealogy. She went to Germany to research our roots. My ancestors were two brothers and a sister who came over around 1870. She discovered that at the time, a ‘progrom’ was sweeping through southern Germany at the time. It was then we discovered my ancestors were actually Jewish! So I went through a little time after my divorce studding Judaism. It’s just something I picked up. But, no, I would not consider myself ‘Orthodox’ in any sense of the word. I still wonder why Christians do not celebrate Jewish holidays.

          • vicki

            Thank you for explaining why you use the symbol G-d for the entity whose common English name is God. But I don’t see why they think that God would punish them if someone else prints out the text and defaces it.

            I also don’t understand why God would be any more or less upset that His name was defaced since His name is YHVH then defacing the chars God or G-d should have just as much or little concern for God.

          • KG

            It’s like what Archie Bunker said – “…that’s how he got to be G-d.”

            From the Upanishad: “Thou Art That.” or the mystery of your existence is as mysterious as the universe around you.

            I treat Life as a great mystery. If I try to solve it, I miss out on the joys. So, basically, I try to be as happy as I can. I think that’s what G-d would want for his creations.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So it makes you happy to Force your way on others?
            No doubt.

          • KG

            No. I personally do not want to ‘force’ anyone to do something they do not want to do. I would like for people to look at their circumstances with an honest assessment and realize the truth about the myth of ‘rugged individualism’.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yet you stump for Big Government which does just that — Force. I think you’re a liar, KGB.
            And Individual Liberty is not the same as Rugged Individualism. Most individuals seek voluntary associations with others. The key word here is “voluntary”, whether they are rugged or not.
            At least you can say Socialism is no myth, as it has been tried repeatedly and has always failed when not supported by being a parasite on Capitalism.

          • KG

            I don’t necessarily ‘stump’ for ‘big’ government, I do support our Democratic Republic that has been here for 237 years. There is a complete freedom of Association, but no freedom from Responsibility. Victor Frankel, a survivor of Auschwitz, said that there should be a statue of Responsibility as well as our statue of Liberty to remind us that the two go hand and hand. Without Responsibility, there can be no real liberty. And to recognize that one is responsible for the world one lives in places the burden of life squarely on the one responsible – Yourself. However, there are others around you. You are not alone in this world. “…No man is an island unto himself, we are all part of the greater clod…Ask not for whom the bell tolls, for it tolls for thee.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No freedom from responsibility?
            Who do you think you’re kidding, KGB? That is exactly the appeal to your Socialism — Freedom from Responsibility. That is — Somebody else pays for your mistakes.
            As usual, KGB, you are double-speaking.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No freedom from responsibility?
            Who do you think you’re kidding, KGB? That is exactly the appeal to your Socialism — Freedom from Responsibility. That is — Somebody else pays for your mistakes.
            As usual, KGB, you are double-speaking.

          • KG

            Who pays for YOUR mistakes? Free market capitalism DOES NOT make ‘mistakes’? How do you explain 2008? Or 1929? Who paid for those mistakes? EVERYBODY. That’s what I’m talking about. You think it’s only the ‘taxpayer’ or ‘entremanuer’ that’s paying for it (whatever IT is) but the truth is, we ALL suffer or benefit. As long as you wish to be an American, then you are part of a greater whole – E Pluribus Unum – out of many, one.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You gotta love those Socialist Progressives, Folks. NOT!
            First they push their Socialism on us and then when the inevitable crises occur as a result of their meddling they blame them on Free Markets and offer you more poison as the solution.
            Under KGBs Socialism, only the Leaders prosper. Kind of makes you wonder why KGB pushes it so hard, eh?

          • KG

            Where did you get the idea that I was pushing Socialism? I’m trying to push ‘Americanisim’. Ya see, folks, ‘Americanisim’ is something beyond mere labels. It is a dream that’s as old as mankind himself, and as modern as today’s most sophisticated computers. All you have to do is to read the preamble of our Constitution to see the dream –

            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

            The rest of the constitution was written to help fulfill this dream, However, we still need to be careful of the natural abuses that Man creates along the way. That’s what I’m trying to say. Social reform within a capitalist framework. That’s ‘Americanisim’.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The regular readers know what you’re pushing, KGB.

        • 5alive5

          He certainly sent his message through the Kermet trial!!! They’re still not done levying charges against that piece of crap!!!

      • Bill

        Kg,
        Tell us why you are so full of hate?

        • WTS/JAY

          KG is not full of hate, Bill. Kg is full of something else…?

          • independent thinker

            No he isn’t, he spews it out on this discussion board.

          • WTS/JAY

            A polite way of putting it! (-:

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        More misinformation from KGB.
        Hitler was a Socialist, no matter how you try to spin it, KGB.

        http://mises.org/daily/1937

        • KG

          Dear Dave,

          I’m sorry to tell you, but you are right. Hitler was a National Socialist – a “racist” based government dedicated to preserving the pure “Aryan” heritage. It was ‘socialist’ for the pure Germans, not the dirty Jews, Blacks, crippled, liberal, retarded, old, weak, fat, ugly, opinionated, labor union, immigrant, everyday Germans. And that is ABSOLUTELY NOT a ‘socialist’ ideal at all. However, Misies actually seemed to appeal to south American Right Wing Dictators who relished in killing Jews, Blacks, crippled, liberal, retarded, old, weak, fat, ugly, opinionated, labor union, immigrant, everyday south Americans.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re lying, as usual, KGB.

          • KG

            And you are still deluded. Sorry bout that.

          • 5alive5

            PHEWWW!!! Something smells in the site!!! Must be BS KG is spreading!!!

      • vicki

        The question is not right or left. The question is government power 100%-0%

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

        • KG

          Who is the government? And who can “make” you do anything you do not want to do?

          • vicki

            That you do not seem to know the answer to that most obvious question (unless it was a rhetorical question) explains much.

          • KG

            I wanted to know what you thought the ‘government’ was. Because the truth is WE are. You, me, that black guy down the street – anyone who is an American. And you ‘government power scale’ is totally biased. That video you keep hawking is an infomercial for libertarians. They believe in freedom for THEMSELVES. Screw anybody else. That is their motto. And, ironically, not very ‘liberty’ at all. The Liberals have always been for liberty. The liberty of Man to rule himself among other men through his consent without the coercion of Religion. That is what Ben Franklin was talking about.

          • vicki

            “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” – George Washington.

            Thus the founders created the Constitution to specifically LIMIT government and let the people alone.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

            Governments only job is to protect the people individually and in groups from force or fraud.

          • 5alive5

            KGB that may have been the way it started out, of the people, by the people, for the people, but it hasn’t been that way for a long time. Try to get a gun permit in NYC, even if your life has been threatened. Try to build the house of your dreams if some city official doesn’t like the looks of it. you are fooling yourself if you think the people are in charge here! Or you are just that, a FOOL!

          • KG

            Ok -I want to know, who threatened your life? Was it really a threat or did you feel threatened? If you feel threatened, then don’t grab a gun. Analyze why you feel that way.

            OK – I want to build a log cabin in the middle of Beverly Hills. And I’m gonna screw the gubment, cause I is gonna put in a septic pool, just like the ‘good old days’.
            No. I’m not a ‘fool’. I’m a citizen who has to follow certain rules for the better of ALL. It aint about just YOU. Governments are formed to allow Men to co-exist without killing each other.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “I’m a citizen who has to follow certain rules for the better of ALL”.
            No, KGB, it isn’t for the “better of ALL”. It is for the better of those individuals who have the Political Power to Force their way on other individuals.
            Like the Nomenklatura:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura

          • KG

            So, I guess you are just a Anarchist who wants to blow-up the whole system – so you can take it over and ‘improve’ it, eh? No one is ‘forcing’ you to be a good citizen – other than your conscious – or lack thereof. Or, are you one of those ‘zombie apocalypse’ preppers who will win out against the supposed tyranny of the Gubment by having the most cans of tuna fish? Or, maybe a potential ‘Bourgeoisie’ capitalist that need to preserve a dying system because one day you might be rich? I think you said you were an atheist, so that leaves out one of the Nomenklatura that parades around here.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “No one is ‘forcing’ you to be a good citizen – other than your conscious – or lack thereof”.
            Have you noticed, Folks, how the Socialist Progressives try to take the moral high-ground even as they have a gun to your head and their hand in your pocket?

  • Warrior

    Careful there Wayne, madcow may sic her big brother chrissy Mathews on you! LMAO!

  • 1baronrichsnot1

    I don’t believe any one with the sense of a goose pays any credence to Rachel, she is a little [expletive deleted] that loves to rebel rouse, no one except the ill and non informed listen to msnbc or watch their side show. Don’t worry about it. It’s a lot like watching “naked and afraid”.

    • mark

      Right, be sure to bring in the anti-gay smear, 1baronrichnot1. You’ve come to the right site. All your fellow fascists here just have a ball defaming minorities, women, and gays. You’re gonna love it here. It’s a real all-American white man’s site. It’s also the reason why conservatives and libertarians will never elect a president again until they change their philosophy of endless hate and fear.

    • Karolyn

      It’s “rabble-rouse.”

  • Al Chemist

    Rachel (screech, screech, screech) Maddow. I listened to her once, and that was enough.

    • Karolyn

      The Ann Coulter of the left? I have never watched her and have seen Coulter a couple of times, and she is just obnoxious and terribly superior.

      • Deerinwater

        Yea~ but she’s pretty ~ They are not selected for their brains. ~ Fox is Flair ~ and speed ~ and not forget `Entertainment! easy on the eyes ~ Not like Mud Duck Maddow.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Bite your tongue, Deer. I may not agree with much of what Ann says, but she could run circles around you intellectually.

          • WTS/JAY

            Ouch!

          • Deerinwater

            Well, ~ I sure wouldn’t attempt to stop her!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Nor could you.

          • Deerinwater

            Well, ~ we’ll never know David ~ I learned many years ago to never attempt to best a woman. ~ There is simply too little to gain and far too much to lose.

            If you haven’t learned that yet ~ you heard it here first.

  • figmo

    Well Wayne, your having to devote so much energy defending yourself is exactly what these communists want you to do. It takes away from your exposing these cockroaches to the daylight. That’s why one of their favorite tactics is to accuse any conservative of being a racist. Most conservatives will then abandon the point they were discussing and waste time defending themselves from the false accusation. If someone slanders you and you are going to waste valuable time denying it instead of just ignoring it, you might as well sue the lying scumbags. I think its time for us to trot out our own bag of labels to counter these commie’s dirty tricks. Terms such as “unamerican” “communist-socialist”, etc. When falsely accused just counter by calling them one of the choice terms that really apply and get back to your discussion.

    • vicki

      stick with ignoring their ad hominem attacks and keep exposing the truth (with cites). It is far more effective then calling them names.

      • Deerinwater

        I guess I’m left to look that word up ~ Mr. Livingston was the first person that I am aware of to using it and it’s since became some sort of a “Pet” word on these forums. ~

        It’s only natural for all Conservatives to feel under siege by something , something must be supplied to predicate this “Fear” and validate the title ‘Conservative” . It would be very difficult to be a “Conservative” without a heaping health portion of Fear.

        Do you really believe that decisions based on fear are healthy? ~ I don’t mean apprehension but out right “FEAR”.

        All the fear in the world will not stop the change a new day brings with new opportunities to achieve or fail. To use today to prepare for tomorrow success is what makes winners .

        With all the redistricting GOP states are attempting to do to diminish the DNC vote ~as state demographic are in constant flux and change is typically been fear based. ~What the GOP should be doing is appealing to new voters. ~ but It appears that the GOP does not want new voters ~ they only seem to want to harness what they already have and add more hours and voting locations while limiting others. ~ Now if you believe the future of the GOP depends on such strategy ~ I will be the last to complain. To interfere with opposition as it goes about destroying it’s self is not a sound strategy either. So the less said, the better about how the GOP is goes about attempting to win elections.

        This is a perfect example of decisions made under the duress of “fear”

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It’s not a “word” dum dum, it’s a phrase.

    • Deerinwater

      Where has race been employed for any reason on this thread? It’s seems that you are the only one bringing such thoughts forward here today.

      If I had it in my mind to attack some self proclaimed “Conservative” ,my attack would be rooted in the less than Conservative way the GOP has gone about conducting it’s self while claim to embrace some sense conservative values and behavior,.

  • mark

    Gee what a shock, Wayne. When a conservative criticizes a liberal president he gets criticized by liberals! Incredible, how could such a thing happen? It’s just so scandalous. I was just as shocked when liberal commentators heavily criticized George W. Bush and guess what? You’ll never believe it, they got criticized by various conservative and Republic pundits for defaming the president! Will wonders never cease! Imagine people exercising their First Amendment rights in the public forum! What next!

    • jaclocla

      You miss the point. The media is supposed to expose the truth and the facts. The media is not meant to be a supporting arm of either party.

      • Bill

        Jaclocla
        But the reality is that it is the lapdog of the left and the truth is the last thing you will hear from the mainstream media.
        The media’s main goal is to sell stories. The more they can stir up your emotions, the more the story will sell. It was never about the truth because “We Can’t Handle The Truth”

        • Deerinwater

          That is your reality Bill. ~ You are entitle but one and that’s the one you have chosen. ` Your preference, in much the same way you might support a favorite ball team.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            No, because supporting your favorite ball team is not a matter of life and death. But where someone stands culturally and politically and religiously it will become a matter of life or death or a slow death of being prisoners of the STATE.

          • Deerinwater

            To engage politics and the political process here in America today like cage fighter that is only permit the use of a key board in a no contact sport ~ is a bit dramatic don’t you think? ~ Probably not.

            Everybody is dying Batki ~ some faster than others. To fear it is a bit of the devils handy work. Why this Judeo-Christian fear of death continues endlessly, I will never understand. ~ I understand the resentment and fear associated with pain and suffering. ~ But to be called home is a blessing. I accept my death and use it a good council every minute of everyday . ~ I would encourage everyone to do the same ~ and perhaps this fear of death will go away and they would be free of it.

          • Alfred Ferguson

            Human beings are notable for silly notions. Perhaps the silliest of all is the “death fear”.

            (This is to neither disparage nor diminish the death of someone like a child or parent– or something, like a beloved pet-companion–the anguish of the loss.)

            But the individual’s fear of death is absurd, in the existential sense. For it is the fear of nothingness,
            (One may label the event “Being called home,” or whatnot. Whatever provides the quietus for the emotional anguish inevitably afflicting the living.)

          • vicki

            Fear of death is a useful survival trait.

          • 5alive5

            Deer,
            I’m a Christian and I do not fear death, I just don’t invite it early. When I go, it will not be quietly nor willingly, not out of fear but of PROTEST!

          • Deerinwater

            I hear you my friend,

            The fear is remove ~ and replaced with inner peace.

            Death is a promise that will be fulfilled. One’s own death makes for good council but only if you accept it. If you ignore or refuse to accept your death, any council is left to come from somewhere else. ~ That might not be a bad thing ~ but it does not make it necessarily good ,considering the gravity of critical issues placed before us each day as we work in God Glorious Vineyard.

          • Bill

            You also have to rise above what any media is saying, weed through the BS and think for yourself

          • Deerinwater

            You betcha, they are all selling soap and snake oil along with other fine products.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          To be sure, Bill, the MSM supports both the left-Progressives and the right-Progressives with propaganda.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The country may be at it’s safest when it is divided and the media taking sides. Imagine what a prison it would become if you had leadership dictating everything from what you eat, to what you drive, to what you wear, to what you think and One Unity Religion. A Totally Collectivist Unit with no one being able to dissent and as soon as some one dissented they would be killed, at this point there would not be reeducation centers.
        When someone mentions Russia why do you have a certain image of the kind of people they are or how about France or Italy, Germany, Spain, Mexico, the islands of the Pacific. America would become them if it wasn’t for the differences in the mindset of the Americans.

        • jaclocla

          There’s a huge difference between the people have different opinions and the majority of the media being a propagation arm for the liberals. The media is supposed to report stories and facts without such blatant bias. Conservative groups have been targeted by the Obama administration and there is not even a whisper of it from the media sources most Americans view.

          • vicki

            The founders were well aware of the ability of media to side with the King. That is why the 1st Amendment. ANY of us can publish what we think and share it with others. Not just the rich merchants, but any of us.

            The internet and sites like this are the current best way to print what would have been pamphlets in the days of the founders.

          • Deerinwater

            There wasn’t much media around back then actually. ~ But that didn’t stop ideas from moving and transferring about. Places of worship and town criers was the most common source of information. The printing press was not exactly mass producing material back then.

            http://inventors.about.com/od/pstartinventions/a/printing_3.htm

            Live Theater was probably the most exciting way to explore new ideas and feed passion in early times ~ of course to enjoy Theater ~ you had to live with-in a buggy or horse ride of one , a reasonable 35 miles or so. Not that a good horse can’t do much more ~ but it’s tiring for both horse and rider. To catch a play with a sore bottom is not much fun.

            This movie is a perfect example of the power of early Theater , a must see in my mind for those that enjoy history and knowledge.

            http://movies.nytimes.com/2011/10/28/movies/anonymous-by-roland-emmerich-review.html?_r=0

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “There wasn’t much media around back then actually”.
            Sorry to burst your bubble, Deer, but our early ancestors were well-read, probably more knowledgeable about politics and such matters than most of the people of our time.
            Read this and elevate yourself:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf

          • Deerinwater

            yes, books and pamphlets ~ written material for those that could read ~ not bubble busted here silly man.

            The link that i supplied with my posting covers it rather well Smarty Pants.

            Just for you http://inventors.about.com/od/.

            elevate myself? and be like you?

            I think that I’ll keep my feet firmly planted on the ground, but thank you.

            Money, or gold only provides the illusion of wealth David.

            The most valuable thing that anyone posses is simply Time.

            The only exception ~ is when you are able to buy it. So? How much time would you like to buy?

          • jaclocla

            The press is supposed to shed a light on government so the people can make up their own minds. The press is supposed to be a watch dog of sorts to deter corruption by exposing the government when it does wrong or oversteps its authority. It is also supposed to provide a voice for multiple different views on a subject.

            Our modern day press primarily covers for Obama and investigates nothing. The majority of Americans don’t look at sites like this, they watch the major news networks. The press has failed miserably in their duty to inform and encourage debate among citizens but has succeeded overwhelmingly in foisting Obama and his fellow anti-American cronies upon us.

            A relatively unbiased press is absolutely necessary for a democracy (or republic) to thrive and remain healthy. By exposing corruption and unequal treatment in government, the public can come to a consensus that change is needed. Our press today has withheld so many important facts that, despite the fact it was obvious Obama had been a failure, Obama was re-elected. The press is serving the exact opposite role it is supposed to serve and we see the fallout from that all around us.

        • Alfred Ferguson

          A very well-stated description of the “mono-state”. To borrow, momentarily, from the liberal-progressive wing of our body-politic (not all their ideas are shabby): in diversity lies freedom of choice, in freedom of choice lies opportunity to diverge from paths of corruption or totalitarian rigidity–always inherent in any endeavor, thanks to the inherent corruptibility of human nature.

        • Alfred Ferguson

          A very well-stated description of the “mono-state”. To borrow, momentarily, from the liberal-progressive wing of our body-politic (not all their ideas are shabby): in diversity lies freedom of choice, in freedom of choice lies opportunity to diverge from paths of corruption or totalitarian rigidity–always inherent in any endeavor, thanks to the inherent corruptibility of human nature.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        It does seem that way that the media is divided into camps and I am glad it is because it would be a mouthpiece for the STATE if it was undivided. Why do you think O and his cronies are melding the Dems/Progs/Leftists into one homogenous unit and it is a massive unit no doubt about it, so by power of demographics they can subdue and shutdown what is the Conservative, Libertarian, and remnant right ideology?

      • 5alive5

        jaclocla,
        They are also not supposed to CREATE the news but it has been going on in the MSM for the last twenty years or more.

    • Nadzieja batki

      What are you babbling?

  • DavidL

    What about Schmidt, no liberal that, agreeing with her and also calling you a kook? Keep talking, though, it is your right and, most importantly, you are a great asset to democratic and progressive party organization. Keep us the good work.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Schmidt is a Dem/Prog/Leftist as well otherwise he would have been eaten alive by your Leftist ideologues if he admitted he was a Conservative or a Libertarian.

  • dan

    Wayne…you’re right. The whole Tavon fiasco was to distract from IRS GATE
    and all the other fraud and abuse by the OSoeterro Regime…as are the orchestrated riots by the organizer’s million man army of entitlement warriors.

  • WTS/JAY

    I think you need to give Rachel Maddow a little more credit, Mr. Root.

    Rachel Maddow Rips Obama On Use Of Drones

    Rachel Maddow actually did something that you very rarely hear on the liberally biased network MSNBC; she was highly critical of Barack Obama.

    Maddow went off on the President for his use of drones that have killed hundreds of innocent civilians around the globe, and his nomination of John Brennan as CIA Director. Brennan is known as the architect of Obama’s deadly drone program and Maddow sounded off on the Commander in Chief for his reckless use of drone warfare and the secrecy of the strikes themselves…

    http://www.thenewsburner.com/2013/01/11/rachel-maddow-rips-obama-on-use-of-drones/

    • RAND PAUL IN 2016

      Even a broken clock is right twice a day! BIG DEAL!

      • WTS/JAY

        Actually, as of late, she’s been very critical of Obama. Except for the die-hard progs, i think a considerable number liberals are beginning to wake up!

        • Deerinwater

          I have not viewed her program in many months ` ~ it got just to ridiculousness and promoting too much “fairy” affairs for me. ~Tho I perceive her as extreme gifted in analytic research. ~ no pun intended. ~ cleaver as it may seem.

          She has a mind like a steel trap ~ IT RETAINS INFORMATION.

          If I was forming a debating team and intend to win ~ she would be my first choice. Second choice, Charlie Rose.

          • WTS/JAY

            She’s no dummy, that’s for sure!(-:

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I find that very believable given that I can slam-dunk you and you still think you won.

          • Deerinwater

            Speaking of Fairy Dust, ~ Ha HA! heheheh! ~ You go for it Big guy ~ If I could buy for what you are worth and sell you for what you think your worth ~ I’d be a billionaire David. Why not redeploy David to some matters that suit you best? ~ I know there some beans to be counted somewhere,

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because you say so, Deer?
            The typical ad hominem attack from a Liberal Progressive. If ad hominems, obtuse statements, and misinformation were the judging criteria, you would indeed win, Deer.

          • Deerinwater

            You seem to feel rather free to label me David, ~ That you would prefer me to just lay down and accept your insolence’s is being a bit naive and I believe most people would agree.

            That I am more then able and willing to return your insults when I elect too ~ makes me the villain only in your mind David. ~

            That I don’t agree with you most of the time ~ does make me anything but disagreeable David. There’s no market for your [expletive deleted] in the real world. ~ People are ornery, selfish, mean and nasty. They have always been that way and explains why self governing by consent of a majority works as oppose to these Libertarian notions that somehow everything would be wonderful in La La Land if government could magically disappear and everyone could just “Be themselves” and live free of inconvenience and structured civil discipline impose by “Other’s” .

            You seem to know more about hominem attacks ( whatever that means, I’ve not bothered to look it up) being obtuse and carry about a predisposed attitude ~ than I do.

            In your attempt to define me, you seem to have describe yourself rather well. Where it’s an accident or premeditated carelessness, who’s to say?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Return my insults, Deer? That’s just about the only content in your comments to me. If I were to strip your comments of ad hominem attacks, they would be very short comments.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yea, for sure she is “cleaver as it may seem. She has a mind like a steel trap ~ IT RETAINS INFORMATION.”

            In 2001 she earned her Doctor of Philosophy (DPhil) in politics with her DOCTORAL THESIS titled “HIV/AIDS and Health Care Reform in British and American Prisons”, which is held by 3(!!!) libraries worldwide.

            Her book “Pushing for progress: HIV/AIDS in prisons” is held by 2(!!!) libraries worldwide.

            Deer, do not doubt to include her in your debating team.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPYmc9ZgRzs

          • Deerinwater

            so ? Thanks , I will.

      • WTS/JAY

        Some Progressive Liberals Come Out Against Obama Over Civil Liberty Issue, Others Show Their Hypocrisy

        Progressive Change Campaign Committee, Electronic Frontier Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union are all harshly calling the Obama administration out over civil liberty issues, and demanding an investigation of the cell-phone surveillance by NSA after the bombshell news that Obama’s programs expanded on the type of surveillance conducted by the Bush administration.

        Other organizations that criticized the Bush administration over the same issues are silent about the overreaching spying by the Obama administration

        Via The Atlantic:

        The email went out shortly after midnight Thursday, a few hours after the news broke about the Obama administration’s large-scale monitoring of Americans’ cell-phone records: “You are being spied on.”

        It was sent by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, a leading liberal organization, to its list of supporters, and it asked them to sign a petition demanding an investigation of the cell-phone surveillance. “It’s simply unacceptable,” the email said.

        As further revelations about domestic surveillance have emerged in recent days, the group has kept up the drumbeat. The response, PCCC officials say, has been overwhelming — a sign of the widespread liberal anger at Obama over civil liberties.

        “We just think that what’s happening here is so outrageous, progressives can’t afford to stand on the sidelines,” PCCC’s Zaid Jilani said. “We have to stand up for accountable, transparent government that respects your rights.”

        http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.ca/2013/06/some-progressive-liberals-come-out.html#.Uefoa-Ces70

  • Rb

    I am a true conservative……. Just thought I would start with that. Wayne, I want to know which spoon fed candidate “the Party” tries to shove down our throats in 2016 you are going to back so that we can guarantee a John Kerry presidency!

  • http://batman-news.com 1940voter

    Today the hearings will continue on the IRS in Congress. It will eventually come out that the WH was closely involved with the Chief Counsels office and the IRS. They are trying to put the Mississippi river between Obama and the IRS but right now it’s a creek and about to overflow. The dems in Congress are doing everything they can to sabotage the investigation and failing in their attempts because the hearings are on TV and finally the American people can see the criminality in full bloom.

  • Dawn Garland

    way to go WAYNE!

  • Waldomountainman

    I tried to watch MSNBC a couple times just so I could say I tried to take in everyone’s opinion, it was so vile and full of hate it made me sick and I had to turn it off. Fortunately I never got to see this madcow expulse her propaganda, I guess I have been one of the more fortunate.
    I once too enjoyed other personalities such as Jon Stewart, David Letterman, Bill Maher, Piers Morgan, etc. but when Obama came into politics they all morphed into ultra liberals full of hate and discontent for this country and our capitalist way of life, espousing constant hate until I had to turn them off. It has been many years since I have watched their shows and every time I accidentally land on one of their shows while surfing it only takes a few minutes to remind me why I turned them off.
    When, not if this country goes through our reckoning days and we have to own this seventeen trillion dollar debt then all these idiots will finally have to eat their crow but I bet they will still blame everyone else for the downfall and still insist we take care of all those illegal and lazy and Islamic fundamentalist, heck lets extend the unemployment benefits another ninety weeks and never question who cross our borders and continue to turn a blind eye to a president who came out of nowhere with a secret past littered with friends like Alkinsky and Soros, what could go wrong?

  • Larry

    Her blather is right up there with Rev. Al??.

    • Bill

      Rev Al is just working,
      He and Jesse Jackson make a living from racial discontent. So, the more racial discontent they can stir up the better. Every time we hear a lie from Jesse and Al we have to remember that is how they make a living. It is like listening to a used car salesman telling you that the Yugo was the best car ever made

      • Deerinwater

        agree Bill. ~ and they are good at it.

    • Deerinwater

      poor observation. ~ There is no comparing the two on any level ~ they are both your opposition on the same media network and it ends there.

  • Fedup

    Rachel is a very unhappy man!

    • Deerinwater

      Actually I think that she likes it! ~ and almost too happy.

    • Deerinwater

      You are partly right ~ she’s got a dose of man in her ~ and just one of several reasons why I say ~ most Gay’s are born that way.

      It ‘s God’s idea of humor I suppose. ` better then being born with no legs or something much worse.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        No they are not born that way, they choose to become that way.

        • Deerinwater

          Become ? ~ I believe that we all grow to be ~ come . it’s not a deliberate effort brought forth by conviction ~ but by design. I did not grow to be a boy because I wanted to ride a horse and shoot my gun. I became a boy because I had no choice.

          I suggest that I did not “decide to be” heterosexual, it was by design. ~ These very same forces are at play in the animal kingdom with homosexuals , transsexuals, moriphodites, two headed snakes, bearded lady, etc. ~ A DNA stran is said to be about 46 ft. long from end to end. ~ The code of life and what is to be formed is coded there. ~ and repeated over and over again and again. ~ to avoid mistakes. And still nature plays her evil tricks .

          Do you deny that nature plays sad tricks sometimes?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Physical features are one thing. Mental features are quite another. While gayness may indeed be congenital, my money is on the theory that it is a result of a person’s environment (learned behavior).

          • Karolyn

            Well, then, why do the children of gays and lesbians grow up to be hetero?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Karolyn,
            Parents are just one part of a child’s environment. And surely you know that teenagers tend to rebel against whatever they are being coerced to do by their parents. I believe that it has something to do with a natural desire for Freedom which starts shortly after puberty.
            That’s also why people will never be happy under Socialism. People inherently don’t like being told what to do, and Socialism is all about Force.
            Frankly, I don’t care who the gays desire to be with as long as they don’t force me to be part of it.

          • Deerinwater

            It is true that environment cannot be dismiss especially in the early forming years from birth to 3 years of age.

            My ideas are based on gathered and assimilated open testimony of homosexual and my own personal experience of growing to the age of awareness of being a boy child and finding girls enticing though I was not sure as to why. There was just something about them my young mind was in a quandary.

            All of that along with other studies and reports ~todate, ~ while an infinitive answer has eluded the greatest minds as evidence is still being gathered and explored.

          • WTS/JAY

            So at what point does “choice” come in to play, Deer?

          • JeffH

            Jay, hopefully when the little boy realizes that the dress and hair that mommy makes him wear is belittling and very different from all of the other boys at school…that and there’s no urinal in the little girls potty room. His mommy always made him squat.

            That’s about the same time the little boy starts hating all women and starts growing into the life of woman hating and a pychopathic serial killer.

          • Deerinwater

            There is no choice ~ no decision to make . Nature has made it for you.

            I have never pondered the possibility of having a “choice” and I’m willing to believe you didn’t as well.

            I tend to want to believe that 90 % of the earth population never felt as if a decision was required to make.

            For this remaining 3 to 7 ~ and maybe as much as 10% ~ life is not so easy. ~ they are torn and tormented as the stark evidence is placed before them fails to correlate with their inner most feels . ~ For these few there is a decision to make. ~ or hide or postpone. Should them present themselves as they appear or as they truly are?

            The suicide rate is alarmingly high among Gay community. Look for yourself. It would never be my intention to explain the virtues of being Homosexual. ~ Look to someone like Rodney Dangerfield to do that.

            But they are people, victim of random selection and the many things we’ve yet to fully understand about ourselves.

            The gay community has embrace this curse as a blessing, not wishing to be thought of or considered a victim. To do otherwise is to not accept ones own self. ~ They have learned to deal with it and accepting ones self , ~wort’s and all ~ a process that must take place by every mentally healthy person at some point in ones life.

            Make it easy ~ make it hard~~ but when it becomes”personal” ~ it’s usually a very hard thing to do.

            To beat another human being up over matters out of their control ~ is just inhuman behavior. It ‘s primitive ~

            Yes I know , we’ve all heard about the woman that was mentally and emotional destroyed by some man ~ and made the decision to change her sexual orientation. ~

            That happens too, ~ fear does that. ~ for everyone needs love and companionship at some point in their life.

            There a thousand stories in the Naked City.

            There for the Grace of God go I.

            and that’s a good ending for anyone.

          • WTS/JAY

            I do not agree with your, its “genetically-predetermined”, premise, Deer. I am of the conviction that “nurture” and, to a certain extent, “choice”, are the determining-factors; notwithstanding, of course, the obvious genetic abnormality; hermaphrodites. However, i do agree and command you on your compassion you extend to all that run the gamut outside the “sexual-norm”.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You became a BOY because you were born with the penis.

          • Deerinwater

            Right ~ but a penis alone does not determine sexual orientation unfortunately . ~ The mind must be hard wired to the penis for proper operation. ~ This seem to be where the OOPs! is located in X % of all live births.

            We are left to accept the total sum of all of our parts while in truth , ~most people seem to feel that they are greater then the sum of all their parts. But that’s another story. But not really ~ for we are not to considering the spirit which accounts for this belief that we can indeed be greater than the sum of all out parts?

            Biblical accounts suggest that the spirit is gendered. I’ve never met the Divine ~ personally ~ and not ready too, thank you very much. So , ~ I find myself left to depend on the bible for such references on matter of the Spirit. ~ No need to break out the Holy Water ~ it is what it is. Matters of the Divine

            We can discuss standard issued equipment if you like ~ but we were discussing sexual origination. The two are not one and the same. ~ Not for everyone lest wise. for if they were , we would not be having this discussion.

        • Karolyn

          Do you really want to turn this into another gay debate?

          • WTS/JAY

            Gay debate? Don’t you mean, a scientific-debate?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Lesbian Karopyn does not like to talk about her DEBAUCHERY

  • CJM2

    The madcow is always in a dither about something; and she never makes any sense at all. I watched her about 10 minutes screaming about Zimmerman’s acquittal and just had to change the channel. Usually I see her when channel surfing; can’t get past her fast enough. The vitriol, hate, and lies defines her persona; (s)he is a subhuman arachnid–oh for a flyswatter!!!

  • plato1955

    Keep up the good work, Wayne. We need all the voices we can muster, and yours is evidently one we need to appreciate, as evidenced by the furor you’ve created in the left. You have my gratitude, and for what it’s worth, support.

  • AttilaTheHun

    Rachel Maddow is scum and a liar. I’m not saying anything new – she’s been scum and a liar and in all probability will continue to be one.

    I’m in agreement with everything Wayne said. In addition, I strongly suspect that the ‘birthers’ are right. Obama and the Democrats put up way too much of a fight over producing a simple birth certificate. That says there is a reason for the fight, and the only reason that comes to mind is that Obama doesn’t have a valid US birth certificate.

    • Deerinwater

      Hmm? ~ She’s a lots of things for sure ~ but a liar she is not. But if you can find and produce a lie that she has told ~ I’d like to know about it.

      • TheOriginalDaveH
        • Deerinwater

          Thanks David , when I’ve the time ~ I’ll sure look into it.

        • JeffH

          Thanks, I was just ready to post some myself.

          Maddow Vents About Romney Deceit – After She Lies About Wisconsin Recall Polls

          Maddow lied about the Lily Ledbetter Act, the first bill signed by Obama in 2009.
          http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2012/06/05/maddow-vents-about-romney-deceit-after-she-lies-about-wisconsin-recal#ixzz2ZPyQC4c2

          Maddow lies about Bush – no surprise here.
          http://ethicsbob.com/2010/11/09/msnbc%e2%80%99s-rachel-maddow-matches-fox-news%e2%80%99-distortions-about-obama-with-her-distortion-about-george-w-bush/

          Rachel Maddow Plays Gay Card: Defends Her Own Lies By Calling Critics Homophobes
          http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/02/26/rachel-maddow-abdicates-integrity-defends-lies-calling-detractors-hom#ixzz2ZQ1UZck6

          Rachel Maddow Lies to Leno About Republican Campaign Contributions
          http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/02/23/rachel-maddow-lies-leno-about-republican-political-contributions#ixzz2ZQ1n5jLp

          Rachel Maddow lies straight to your face
          http://constantlyinthedarkness.blogspot.com/2010/02/rachel-maddow-lies-straight-to-your.html

          Rachel Maddow lies: Fox had absolutely nothing to do with the Shirley Sherrod story
          http://www.ihatethemedia.com/rachel-maddow-lies-fox-shirley-sherrod

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Racky Maddow was demolished by National Review editor Rich Lowry on the “Meet the Press.”

            Rich Lowry exposes Maddow’s pathetic showiness and
            her hypocrisy in defending the $700 billion Medicare cuts in ObamaCare

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Vh6_j9d-gtc

          • JeffH

            And the “Madcow” hits just keep comin’ in!

          • Deerinwater

            Hmm ? let’s examine this charge ;

            Rachael say … The law that gives women access to the courts to sue if they’re paid less than men for doing the same work.

            Wrong — access to the courts for women alleging unequal compensation was well in place for more than four decades before Ledbetter was enacted, thanks to the Equal Pay Act in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act a year later. The Ledbetter law pertains to the statute of limitations for suing and did not create the avenue for legal redress that already existed.

            Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2012/06/05/maddow-vents-about-romney-deceit-after-she-lies-about-wisconsin-recal#ixzz2ZQoDTvea

            “The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 (Pub.L. 111–2, S. 181) is a federal statute in the United States that was the first bill signed into law by President Barack Obama on January 29, 2009. The Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The new act states that the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination resets with each new paycheck affected by that discriminatory action. The law directly addressed Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., 550 U.S. 618 (2007), a U.S. Supreme Court decision that the statute of limitations for presenting an equal-pay lawsuit begins on the date that the employer makes the initial discriminatory wage decision, not at the date of the most recent paycheck.”

            Well Rachael is correct while not completely accurate. ~ It amended the Act of 1964 that allow for these provision. And for some case it does in fact open the door to litigation for women once denied inside a frame of time. Making clearer a cloudy situation for employer and employee responsibilities and liabilities.

            If that the biggest whopper that you have on Rachael ~ You got a hand full of empty fingers.

          • JeffH

            DeerBob, “If that the biggest whopper that you have on Rachael ~ You got a hand full of empty fingers.”

            A lie is a lie in the real world DeerBob, even when you don’t understand it…especially a decietfull and misleading lie perpetrated by any “opinion” media darling.

            The other links to Madcow’s lies prove that’s not the only “whopper”…of course you couldn’t or wouldn’t acknowledge that she does, in fact, tell some whoppers from time to time.

          • Deerinwater

            Well ??? Jeffy ~ compared to mushroom clouds and

            aluminum tubing , I personally wouldn’t call it a outright lie.

            But you feel comfortable with the charge seem to be all that matters ~~

            I am will to concede that Rachael few word take out of the context of her lengthy in depth discussion imply that she is offering credit to the Lilly Ledbetter Act that was already in place. ~ and I find that somewhat odd ~ for Rachael holds server Doctorate degrees and speak in articulated paragraphs .simple enough for Grandma to follow.

            The Quote ” The law that gives women access to the courts to sue if they’re paid less than men for doing the same work.” Is not offer inside any framework of context Jeffy.

            It’s not a hard thing to do ~and more than likely. It does a better job explaining the conflict then the charge of lying. Especially when there is no lie ~ The Lilly Ledbetter act is an addendum to the Egual Pay and Civil Right act that does offers legal recourse . ~

            I sure have enjoyed it here today ~ what great fun ~ I’m thinking about digging deeper into this allegation just for fun ~ it’s 9:45 pm. I bet I could find Rachael’s full statement and rebuttal to this charge if i look hard enough.

            .It’s not like Rachael to leave loose ends not nailed down Jeff.

            If it was anything close to a Lie ~ I would . ~ but I’ve played here all day as it rained cats and dogs ~and tomorrow I must stop this exercise in personal indulgence and pleasure and get back to work.

            I have the national debt to help pay off and employees that need their pay as well. I’ve enjoyed myself.

            and thank you Mr. Livingston. You are a perfect host.

            Don’t change a thing ~ You’ve make it an excellent site for political discourse in search of resolve and resolution. .

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “Making clearer a cloudy situation for employer and employee responsibilities and liabilities”.
            It was clear until you Liberal Progressives stepped in and muddied the waters, Deer.
            When the Companies Owners’ Property Rights were respected, it was nobody’s business who they hired or fired. If you wanted to earn their money, you had to offer them something that was attractive to them so they would voluntarily contract with you. It was “simple”. If they didn’t please you, you looked for work elsewhere. If you didn’t please them, they fired you. As it should be — Strict Property Rights, diminishable by no person.

          • Deerinwater

            Right David ! Employers have endless authority afford to them by shear virtue of supply and demand for employees and market force , regulated or otherwise.
            The Golden Rule, ~ those that got the gold make all the rules ~ rules that insure who loses and who wins ~ regardless of mismanagement or market forces.

            A perfect world for a few ~ not so much for others.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Then why do you and your buds want more rules?

          • Deerinwater

            my buddies? what rules? ~ what about your buddies and their rules?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            My buddies want less Government — much less.

      • independent thinker

        Her claim that Wayne is a birther.

        • Deerinwater

          So he is not? ~ Well that’s what happens when you hang around with a bunch of turkeys ~ you become mistaken for one. ~ Can you prove he is not a turkey?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He doesn’t have a snood?

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          He is a “TRUTHER” as I am and the majority Americans as well.

          • Deerinwater

            Ah! I like that!

            Never allow someone else to define you, but you know ~ that cuts both ways?

            So what is the “Truth”? Truth seems to display the characteristic of “Subject” and seen in the subjective. While you seem to speak of “Truth” it as an “Object” of known, understood and accepted value.The very act of witness making any “truth” subjective.

            It seems that we are attempting to capture a fart and paint it red for all to see.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            The “TRUTH” is defined by the UNDENIABLE and
            UNDISPUTABLE FACTS.

            Deer in the murky water says: “It seems that we are attempting to capture a fart and paint it red for all to see.”

            Dear Deer, we clearly see that your fart is blue, whacky and very laughable – out of the ordinary.

          • Deerinwater

            Well, you can’t miss me in a crowd.

  • WTS/JAY

    Hey, liberals! Obama thinks you are stupid. Yeah, he really does. He knew Benghazi was terrorism before he didn’t know it was terrorism.

    Addressing a question about Benghazi in his press conference Monday, May 13, 2013, Obama’s “logic” really made an impression:

    “The Day after it happened I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism.”

    “What we have been very clear about throughout, was that immediately after this event had happened we were not clear who exactly had carried it out, how it had occurred, what the motivations were. It happened at the same time we had seen attacks on the US Embassy in Cairo as a result of this film.”

    “Nobody understood exactly what was taking place during the course of those first few days.”

    “Suddenly, three days ago, this gets spun up as if there’s something new to the story. There’s no “there” there.

    “Talking points pretty much matched the assessment I was receiving at that time in my presidential briefing….”

    Obama claims to have known the day after the attacks that they were an act of terrorism. (He’s claiming that his Rose Garden comments about terrorism in general amount to a statement that the attacks were terror-related, but this is not the case. However, for the sake of, ahem, clarity, let’s assume it is.) So, thus far, we have:

    Day After. Obama. Terrorism.

    But, immediately after it happened he wasn’t clear who did it, how it occurred and the motivation. So:

    Immediately After. Obama. Unclear.

    Obama knew it was terrorism the day after, but immediately after, it wasn’t clear. When exactly does “immediately after the attack” begin and end before it becomes the “day after”? Isn’t the “day after” it happened pretty much the same as “immediately after” it happened? And how do those 7 hours of sleep factor into this unclear/clear timeline? Could it be he knew it was terrorism before he didn’t know it was terrorism? And did his Rose Garden statement take place during the period “immediately after” it happened or the “day after”?

    What difference at this point does it make? Let’s move on…
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/obama_thinks_liberals_are_stupid.html

    • Deerinwater

      Well. I was going to agree with you until I read your second post Jay. ~

      First off ~ you are dividing the nation into just two categories, conservatives and liberals and attempting to discuss heated issues . ~ This polarizing of the debate with such titles is self defeating. ~ This “Flaming” serve no purpose in our efforts at resolve and resolution.

      Why not debate the merit of the issues rather then go about labeling people?

      In many way, ~ all American citizens are being treated as if they are stupid. ~ Why was Mitt Romney’s televised secret meeting with international investors so damaging to his campaign? ~

      • WTS/JAY

        Deer: In many way, ~ all American citizens are being treated as if they are stupid. ~ Why was Mitt Romney’s televised secret meeting with international investors so damaging to his campaign? ~

        As per usual, Deer, whenever Obama is brought under the microscope, you engage in what you do so well; deflection! Btw, Mitt Romney was not elected President…Obama was! Remember?

        • Deerinwater

          exactly ~ Jay ~ He was seen as treating voters as if they was stupid. ~ driving home the point ~ that it not just liberals that are being treated as if they are stupid.

          it’s not “OBAMA” that I’m am defending or the cause for my taking exception with your erroneous statement.

          I am defending the practice of civil discourse by challenging your statement. ~ You cannot be allowed to say anything that you feel like says and expect it to go unchallenged.

          I only challenge when I’ve the time ~ and the statement so blatantly false it can’t be ignored.

          just trying to keep you between the lines and on the road Jay.

          • WTS/JAY

            Well, if its any conciliation, can we say Obama did a better job at disguising the fact that he was treating voters as if they “was” stupid?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            WTS/JAY, but that is what Dems/Progs/Leftists think of the American people and that is why you get that superior attitude from the pseudo intellectuals, the politicos, the religious Left. They believe that they are better smelling sheep.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            When in fact they are just baa-a-a-ad.

          • Deerinwater

            better smelling sheep ! I love it! You just made my day.

          • Deerinwater

            I suppose so ~ I am willing to entertain the notion of reconciliation wherever it might be found. ~

            As for Obama ~( I’ve never enjoyed saying the name) I can’t help but think that he has bested Slick Willie for being Teflon coated.~ have you actually got anything to “stick” yet?

            I know there much in the pipe and pending with only more to follow. ~ but nothing has stuck yet. Unlike W, ~Obama will pack people bags and sent them home to look for a new occupation. He is willing to make decisions, even unpopular ones. Must like Reagan, Eisenhower and Truman in that regard. Strong leadership demand such qualities in character.

            As you noted ~ Rachael has had her panties in a bunch of late, ~ with some decision made and not made by Obama. After Obama going out on a limb for the Gay community just prior to a General Election. ~ I would not have made such an unpopular move at such a time. She should be grateful.

            Recognizing gays right is a poor trade off for a Mitt Romney Presidency.

        • BALONEY TONY MAHONEY

          Obummer & Romney, 2 sides of the same power elite coin…hardly a difference!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No Baloney there, Tony.

          • old fritz

            You hit the nail on the head! Both parties recycle the same politicians, the Clintons, Bushes, Kennedys, Reid, Bohner,Pelosi, McConnell and the new white African-American. Einstein was right, insanity is doing same thing over and expecting different result, even our dictator quotes him. Time to flush out the D.C. Cesspool, someone call in the Egypytian military please.

          • BALONEY TONEY MAHONEY

            The only way out is a third choice, call it a “CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTARIAN PARTY”

          • WTS/JAY

            How about just, “Constitutional Party”?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You mean the newly recycled Republican Party?

          • WTS/JAY

            Lol! No, not that one, DaveH.

          • TheOriginalDaveH
        • JeffH

          Pssst…don’t mention Sarah Palin to DeerBob…shushhhh!

          I wonder if he thinks Sarah Palin is just as Smart as Rachel Jeantel?
          http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/q-for-the-left-is-sarah-palin-as-smart-as-rachel-jeantel/

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s Darwan to his friends.

          • JeffH

            LOL! That’s just one of how many?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Now I feel bad. All this time I thought Darwan was obtuse, when in fact he just suffers from the inability to code-switch.
            Pardon me while I go hunt for some Birch branches.

          • Deerinwater

            You might look for your magic decoder ring while your are at it David

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I think one of your Liberal Progressive friends stole it from me.

          • JeffH

            What, was it in your wallet?

          • WTS/JAY

            Hmm, he can be cruel, can’t he? And yet, just as long as the cruelty is not reciprocated, Deer can actually be a very reasonable fellow…(-:

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        If you went to a shoestore, Deer, and they were all just labeled “Shoe”, would that please you?
        It’s important for people to know the shortfalls of certain classes of people so they can discriminate appropriately when it comes to who to bother to listen to, and who NOT to bother listening to.
        For decades now, many people have blindly soaked up the sweet-sounding Liberal Progressive messages unaware that they are neither Moral nor Practical. Finally, an increasing number of people are waking to that reality, thanks largely to labels.

        • Alfred Ferguson

          We have yet to see a “deer” in a “shoestore” [sic], neither upper case (Deer) nor lower case (deer).

          Worn-hoof syndrome, perhaps?

          I did take my son for new shoes the other day. Then, there was indeed a dear (one) in that “shoestore”[sic].

          Moreover, unless one is a lady of some years, in the South, the address of “dear” in never used to strangers.

          In all other contexts the term is considered slightly derogatory as well as more than slightly patronizing.

          • Karolyn

            Methinks you just may be taking this a bit too seriously?

        • Deerinwater

          It’s seem most appropriate for there to be both a right and a left shoe David . ~ But does right or left actually identify the shoe? I would suggest not but only in the most simplest and general terms.

          I would hope that our discussion might elevate itself far beyond such general terms as the complexity of the issues before us today demands it.

      • Karolyn

        So true, deer.

    • Alfred Ferguson

      Anyone who quotes a favorite (most times) modern poet, Gertrude Stein, (sometimes maddeningly obscure), gets my vote: “There’s no there, there.” (Her remark about a town in Iowa, as I recall–no doubt much, much to the displeasure of the town’s residents, I should think.)

      • Nadzieja Batki

        If someone is maddeningly obscure, all it means is that they are not saying anything.

        • Alfred Ferguson

          I think you understood her idea: often, modern poetry is not saying anything. Congratulations. You are an astute reader.

          She is “not saying anything” about “not saying anything”: for there is nothing to say: “there is no there, there”.

          And “we are here as on a darkening plain, where ignorant armies struggle by night”. (W. B. Yeats “The Second Coming”).

          • Karolyn

            Isn’t it “darkling plain?”

          • Alfred Ferguson

            Yes, you are correct. It is “darkling” plain, not “darkening”(although perhaps it should be; “darkling” has always seemed, to my prosaic mentality, a tad precious). And someone observed that the place about which she made the comment was Oakland.

            Senility setting in ; the mind going. Much more rapidly than I had ever thought possible, during my salad days.

          • Alfred Ferguson

            Yes. It is. “Darkling” it is. I suppose “darkling” was more poetic, to Yeats. But it has always seemed sort of “lace-panties” precious, to me. But maybe he chose “darkling” because the word has one less syllable–I don’t know, I am not well-versed in the techniques of versification.

            I am a prosaic ape.

      • Jeff

        It was about Oakland across the Bay from S.F.

        • Alfred Ferguson

          I think you are correct.

      • JeffH

        The trouble with Oakland is that when you get there, there isn’t any there there. – Gertrude Stein

        Oakland used to be a pretty nice city but If you go into Oakland these days there’s a 50/50 chance you’ll could get mugged, robbed or shot.

  • WTS/JAY

    Keith Olbermann, other liberal media figures turn against Obama over reporter targeting.

    Many liberal reporters and commentators have dismissed or downplayed the emerging Benghazi and Internal Revenue Service scandals as non-scandals or trifling bureaucratic errors.

    But reports that the Justice Department has been targeting journalists, first reporters at The Associated Press and now Fox News’ James Rosen, has caused the generally Obama-admiring press to question the purity of their redeemer.

    Here are 10 tweets from liberal commentators and reporters expressing outrage on Monday over Rosen-gate:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/20/olbermann-liberal-media-figures-turn-against-obama-over-reporter-targeting/

    • JeffH

      Olbermann is going back to ESPN…a stipulation in his 2 year contract…he is not allowed to discuss politics at all.

      • WTS/JAY

        Apparently, criticizing the “anointed-one” will not be tolerated…?

  • WTS/JAY

    Liberals Skewer Obama Administration.

    Liberals are starting to wake up to the fact that the Obama administration is betraying the principals of justice and economic fairness.

    Here’s the front page of the Huffington Post tonight (each phrase at the website is linked to a separate article exposing Holder’s corruption and incompetence):

    Jon Stewart lambasted the Obama administration for failing to walk its talk … and having awful priorities:

    And Bill Clinton’s Secretary of Labor – Robert Reich – writes:

    According to the New York Times, a bill that’s already moved through the House Financial Services Committee, allowing more of the very kind of derivatives trading (bets on bets) that got the Street into trouble, was drafted by Citigroup – whose recommended language was copied nearly word for word in 70 lines of the 85-line bill.

    Where were House Democrats? Right behind it. Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, Democrat of New York, a major recipient of the Street’s political largesse, co-sponsored it. Most of the Democrats on the Committee, also receiving generous donations from the big banks, voted for it. Rep. Jim Himes, another proponent of the bill and a former banker at Goldman Sachs, now leads the Democrat’s fund-raising effort in the House.

    It’s not entirely coincidental that the Obama Administration never put tough conditions on banks receiving bailout money, never prosecuted a single top Wall Street executive for the excesses that led to the near meltdown, and still refuses to support a tiny tax on financial transactions that would bring in tens of billions of dollars as well as discourage program trading.

    Democrats can’t be trusted to control Wall Street. If there were ever an issue ripe for a third party, the Street would be it…

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/liberals-skewer-obama-administration.html

    • Karolyn

      You’re just noticing this, Jay? I’ve posted articles from Common Dreams that sound more like they’re from this website, trying to make the point that liberals are also not happy; but, of course, conservatives and libertarians won’t even check them out because they’re on a liberal-leaning website.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Liberals aren’t happy because Obama isn’t redistributing other peoples’ money as fast as they’d like.

  • Bill

    Great article Wayne,
    We need to all stay focused on the points you covered. Whenever I bring up the lefts failed economic policies to a liberal, they want to change the subject and lecture me with the blather that the rich have too much money.
    There is good karma in Bill Gates building Microsoft into one of the largest corporations in the world. Just think of how many people bring home a paycheck every week, feed their family, buy products, send their kids to school and better their lives from the existence of this dastardly corporation. The government is like a thief that will not work for their money but loves to steal it from the sweat of someone else’s brow.
    So, when you turn off the spigot that provides good jobs and good incomes to people willing to work for a living, what do you have left, more poor people and liberalism at it finest

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      It’s all about Productivity. Is the Government going to be more productive with the money, or are entrepreneurs going to be more productive with it? No doubt it’s the latter:
      http://mises.org/daily/5277/When-Capital-Is-Nowhere-in-View

      • Bill

        Good comments, Dave
        It’s like if you want to help the poor, you look for your best bang for your buck. If you give your money (or they steal it from you) to government to help the poor, your are lucky to see 1 cent out of every dollar go directly to the poor. I give to the Union Rescue Mission where 95 cents out of every dollar goes directly to helping people instead of to the pockets of overpaid government workers

  • jim b

    Is MSNBC blind deaf, and dumb? What funds their continued operation as a news organization… certainly it isn’t viewership. I’ve tried and I’ve tried to give them a chance but it always end up with me turning the station after about five minutes or less. The whole cast of characters are wrenching to watch, their views are disturbing, their loyalty to a liberal government sanctimonious!

    • Jacobite2

      Why does ‘Hollywood’ continue to crank out R-rated Leftist-fantasy flicks with 95-year-old Nazis (with the help of a cloned Joe McCarthy) as villains and Alger Hiss Commies as the heroes? To your point, MSNBC is owned by GE, and the owner of GE allocates, or withholds, resources to various subordinate entities. Saul Alinsky and people like him (if you know what I mean, and I think you do) are usually the smartest guys in any room and can out-lie, out-spin, out-debate, mislead, small-print, and bamboozle anybody into believing white-is-black. Now, when you cannot out-smart an enemy, the traditional Euro-Christian response has been to kill him or expell him from your land. Never let your enemy determine the ground for battle, much less the weapons allowed. As in 1776, the time for politics has passed and the time for Revo has arrived.

  • Alan

    Keep up the good work Wayne. Maddow is simply a loud mouth liberal who likes to her herself blather.

    • JeffH

      Maddow has been afflicted with Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD), commonly called “mad cow” disease, which caused her brain disorder which becomes deadly over time…probably caught it from eating aborted fetuses. There is no cure.

      Hence her label of Rachel “Madcow”.

      • Jeff

        Only among the terminally stupid.

        • JeffH

          Yes I agree with you that “Madcow” Maddow is terminally stupid.

          Speaking of the terminally stupid…what happened unhinged Jeff…yesterday you said you regretted reponding to me and told me to “Scr*w off”.

          But, like most ignorant progressives, what they say and what they do are two different things…i.e., their word don’t mean a thing.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He, sniff, calls me CB. Waaah! I think I’m going to tell his mommy.

          • JeffH

            Easy on the unhinged one…next thing he’ll tell you to go to the range and kill some poor targets.

          • WTS/JAY

            For someone who hates guns, he sure encourages the use of them, no? Lol!

          • JeffH

            Ya think?

      • Alan

        Oh, that explains why she looks like an aborted fetus, thank you.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Piers debates Larry Pratt on gun control after Sandy Hook:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC4JJWUtzkc
    Notice the common debate tactics of a Liberal Progressive.

    Piers debates Larry for a second time:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7dAAPEt1ZY

    • jim b

      Original… I tried to watch but the utter rudeness coupled with the unintelligent line of thinking by the so called news anchor permitted less than 5 minutes of viewing. Obviously English speaking does not equal intelligence, not in the American sense that is. In this country we fight for our rights, our liberties, and our freedoms. When bad guys come calling, I want to be armed and ready. When I envision those children and teacher huddled in a closet waiting for the end, in total fear of their lives, I am 100 percent positive that that teacher would have wished she had a gun to fight back the evil that was attacking them. Only a fool, a complete and utter fool, believes that criminals will surrender their weapons. You can’t fix stupid, and you cannot stop crazy with a gun, unless you have a gun too!

      • WTS/JAY

        Amen, jim b, Amen!!!

  • rbrooks

    wayne, are you upset that your soap box is not as tall?

  • rbrooks

    I became a successful entrepreneur. This has allowed me to give more time to my passion: politics. <<

    now we know why your family got kicked to the curb.

    • speedle24

      Successful entrepreneur huh? I’m curious as to what you were successful doing.

      • rbrooks

        Successful entrepreneur huh? I’m curious as to what you were successful doing. <<

        i am certain if you ask, old wayne will be glad to tell you all about it.

        • WTS/JAY

          He’s asking you, rbrooks.

          • speedle24

            That’s right wts/jay.

          • rbrooks

            he has the normal lack of comprehension found so often from the root and livingston supporters.

          • WTS/JAY

            That still doesn’t answer the question, rbrooks.

          • rbrooks

            actually it does. tho i do not expect the normal root/livingston supporter to be intelligent enough to figure it out.

          • WTS/JAY

            It does? Now you’re just being silly…(-:

          • rbrooks

            your comprehension is a bit lacking as well.

          • WTS/JAY

            So you’re not, an entrepreneur. Ok, i think i finally “comprehend”. (-:

          • rbrooks

            no. i am not. i doubt if you know what the word entrepreneur means.
            you are unable to comprehend that i did not state i was an entrepreneur.
            the same problem speedo had.
            even more interesting is none of you were able to make the connection to the obvious lie(s) in wayne’s little pompous tribute to him self.

            wayne does count on a certain low level of intelligence from his followers. you have not disappointed him.

          • WTS/JAY

            rbrooks: no. i am not.

            There you go. Now, was that so tough? LOL!!!

          • rbrooks

            well, i doubt if old wayne is really an entrepreneur either. nor are you.

            let me know if you ever figure out what the word entrepreneur means.

          • WTS/JAY

            You know, dumbbell, it is customary to assign the source/author of a comment, quote or article. When you fail to do so, you lead people to assume you are the author. Capish? Btw, i had fun playing the game. Was it fun for you as well?

          • rbrooks

            which is why i did. perhaps you are not smart enough to recognize it. which would make at least 3 of you dumb enough to be wayne’s lap dogs.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            To call you ignorant, rbrooks, is an insult to ignorant people.

          • rbrooks

            considering the source, it is more than just irrelevant. you could easily pass for wayne’s twin brother.

  • Debbie D

    Be careful Wayne. Look what happened to Andrew Breitbart and more recently, Michael Hastings- who had the audacity to criticize the President and threaten to reveal facts against him. You should probably buy a classic car- which doesn’t have any on-star or any way of manipulating the operation of your car from the outside. We need you!!!

    • Jeff

      Are you sure Breitbart wasn’t wearing blackface and a hoodie in George Zimmerman’s neighborhood? It makes as much sense as your implication that someone had him killed.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        To deny the possibility of foul play makes you look as ignorant, Jeff, as you are implying Debbie is.

        • Jeff

          I can’t prove a negative, Dave. If you or Debbie think Breitbart was targeted by someone, I think you need to have at least a scintilla of evidence. Just saying he was an enemy of Obama is not enough. Obama has bigger enemies than Breitbart who are still walking and doing their thing – Limbaugh, McConnell, etc., etc., etc.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “If you or Debbie think Breitbart was targeted by someone”.
            I didn’t say that, Jeff. I just said you couldn’t rule out that possibility. Breitbart had a lot of Progressive enemies.
            Take Judge Napolitano’s show, Freedom Watch, on Fox Business Network as an example. Sure they didn’t kill him (he would have made a mighty powerful martyr if they did), but there is little doubt his show was canceled because he was being too effective at waking people up to reality.

          • Jeff

            What? Fox cancelled a show because why? It’s all about ratings, and while Fox Noise is number 1 in Cable News (though the audience is dying), I don’t believe Fox Business has overtaken CNBC. But really, Dave, I can’t “rule out” the possibility that you killed JFK. Lots of things are technically possible without actually being plausible.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It had nothing to do with ratings and everything to do with the fact that Judge Napolitano was holding open the curtain to expose the Wizard:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkcP_t3xY8E
            http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-why-judge-andrew-napolitano-was-fired/

          • Jeff

            Alex Jones? Really? Dave, I gave you more credit than to give credence to one of his ridiculous conspiracy theories. And if Judge Napolitano actually has something so great, why does he need Fox? He has the name recognition to be heard. He could write a book and you could explain it to Jay and Alondra

          • WTS/JAY

            Coming back for another chit-kicking, Jeff? Lol!

          • Jeff

            Go play outside, Jay. The grownups are talking.

          • WTS/JAY

            You know, Jeff. There is no shame in admitting you are intellectually challenged. You might as well face it grumpy; you have limitations!

          • Jeff

            Only your stupidity knows no limitations.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff makes his usual inane ad hominem attack on Alex Jones. Maybe someday Jeff will get educated enough to quit using the Liberal Progressive manipulation? I doubt it.
            And the Judge has written several books, Jeff. You’d know that if you weren’t so ignorant. Here’s his latest:
            http://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Right-When-Government-Wrong/dp/B00A16SG4U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1374299763&sr=8-3&keywords=judge+napolitano

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Rush Limbaugh is a NeoConservative Progressive. I don’t know anything about McConnell.

          • Jeff

            You do like your labels, Dave. The point is both of them have committed their lives to anti-Obamaism. McConnell will not allow anything to emerge from the Senate, including political and judicial appointments, without a filibuster. It is an historic abuse of the Senate Rules. The Senate requires civilized people who will not abuse the rules. If Harry Reid (one of your favorites, I know) thinks he can shake hands with McConnell and make a deal, he’d better count his fingers afterward.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “It is an historic abuse of the Senate Rules”.
            Do you ever tire of spewing the brown stuff, Jeff?
            The Democrats are masters of breaking the rules and have been using the filibuster effectively ever since I can remember. They are hypocrites, Jeff, like you.

          • Jeff

            Dave, you can name-call with the best, but the numbers don’t lie. There have never been as many filibusters as in the past 4-5 years. You are simply incapable of rational debate without name-calling. It does not speak well of your “education.”

          • WTS/JAY

            Jeff: You are simply incapable of rational debate without name-calling. It does not speak well of your “education.”

            Projecting, Jeff?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            WHAT education? Public School Dropout.

          • Jeff

            I’m not petting you, Jay. In fact, I’m turning my back so you can’t jump up and lick my face. My God, what a moron you are.

          • WTS/JAY

            What’s the matter, Jeff; upset that DaveH kicked your sorry azz? Btw, i’ve never seen anyone take such a chit kicking like you just did, nazi-boy…Lol!

          • Jeff

            Jay, what’s it like to be SO stupid. Your insults are so lame they’re funny. Dave is a legend in his own (and your very tiny) mind.

          • WTS/JAY

            Oh, that’s so cute. Jeffy’s upset cause he got his butt-kicked and now he’s throwing a temper-tantrum.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            LOL.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff must be a member of the Green Party. Poor guy. Unpopular and he knows it.
            With all his dog metaphors, one might wonder if even his own dog doesn’t like him, so he’s taken to dog fantasies.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because you say so?
            Feel free to post some links to back up your conjecture, Jeff.

          • Jeff
          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff said — “It is an historic abuse of the Senate Rules”.
            Please tell the readers how the Rules have been abused? If a team is playing by the Rules, they are not “abusing” them.
            The original issue was not quantity, but quality. You made it an issue of quantity in an inane attempt to win the debate. What else can I expect from a Liberal Progressive?

          • Deerinwater

            Jeff is current and correct with his comment. we are in uncharted territory in the Senate today.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you, Deer. An endorsement from you is as good as lead.

          • WTS/JAY

            Jeff: Obama has bigger enemies than Breitbart who are still walking and doing their thing – Limbaugh, McConnell, etc., etc., etc.

            Could you provide a scintilla of proof please?

          • Jeff

            Proof that Limbaugh is bigger than Breitbart? I think even Dave would allow judicial notice of the fact Limbaugh is very, very large.

          • WTS/JAY

            So no proof, hey Jeff? Of course!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don’t bring me into your world of foul-mouthed bigotry, Jeff.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can’t prove a negative? Nonsense, Jeff. Nobody asked you to prove anything. It was you who criticized Debbie for making a claim that indeed could be very possible.
            But that’s fine, Jeff. You keep on trucking and giving Folks a fine example of the surly nature of Liberal Progressives.

  • wyatt81

    Maddow is a joke-propagandist for a state run propaganda machine. Utterly worthless, and her ratings prove it.

  • Jeff

    I have no doubt that Rachel’s mention of your name will increase your “fame” at the edges of the political spectrum. Her point was that you and others like you appearing on the dais with Republicans seeking the approval and votes of a more mainstream audience is good for the Democrats. I hope you get better known as the more you talk, the more people will associate Republicans with your ultra right wing nonsense. Not that they need a lot of help in that regard.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Speaking of name-calling, ridiculing, useless commenters — Here’s Jeffy!

      • rbrooks

        well, davey, you are another of those that like to use labels, ridicule and make useless comments.

        • JeffH

          Take a long peek in the mirror rb…it takes one to know one.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Still smiting from all the logical beatings I’ve given you, rbrooks? Or is it Flashy?

          • rbrooks

            lol. you would not know logic if it came up and smacked you.

            stop trying to project your poor methodology.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did you drop your binky?

      • Jeff

        There’s no name-calling in my post, Dave. I was merely pointing out the reason for Ms. Maddow’s invocation of your hero’s name. She is clearly not afraid of him; she was remarking on the Republicans’ tendency to appear with ultra right wing types like Mr. Root, frequently to their own detriment. It’s similar to the manner in which Ron Paul has damaged his credibility through his association with your own Lew Rockwell (founder of the Mises Institute) who allegedly penned the racist articles in Ron Paul’s newsletters.
        Now you can call me all kinds of creepy names and make your pathetic trough comments, all of which will greatly amuse your deeply disturbed following on these blogs.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I’m talking about your typical post, Jeff. Anybody, who has read your regular comments, knows what I mean.
          But in fact, your current post contains completely unfounded ad hominem attacks on Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell. But then, as I’ve said many times, ridicule, slander, and other manipulative tactics are all you Liberal Progressives have, because logic and facts don’t support you.

          • Jeff

            Really. My recollection is different. I have written extensive posts completely devoted to policy, explaining why your concept of pure Libertarianism with no governmental involvement in the economy would be both impractical and would yield the kind of society where few of us would want to live. In response, you have called me a liar, a thief, and, worst of all, a Progressive. In other words, creepiness.

          • WTS/JAY

            Jeff: I have written extensive posts completely devoted to policy, explaining why your concept of pure Libertarianism with no governmental involvement in the economy…

            False and misleading statement! DaveH has at no time made such a ridiculous statement. Please provide your evidence.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jay, I’m not sure what you’re denying for me, but it is true that Libertarians want Government out of the Marketplace with the exception of protecting people from Force and Fraud. And Fraud really is just a sub-category of Force, because people can’t make voluntary decisions about products or services if they’re being lied to.
            But Jeff has been beat down many times by me when he has tried to spread his Propaganda about monopolies, regulations, and other misinformation. That’s why he resorts to calling me names, because he knows he can’t stand up to me in a logical or factual debate.

          • WTS/JAY

            What Jeff was implying and accusing you of, i suspect, was promoting anarchy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We will always have Leaders, whether we like it or not. It’s human nature to have Leaders and Followers. But Government is basically just a very large Coercive Gang whose natural orientation is the feathering of their own nests. They were tamed by our Founders for a short while (about 70 years) but now they are in full bloom again.

            Read this, Jay (please):
            http://mises.org/daily/1865

          • Jeff

            So now you’re Dave’s pit bull? I so miss the days when you just waited at my door, tongue hanging out, hoping I’d pet you.
            Unlike you, Dave communicates in full sentences and paragraphs – not in grunts and burps. He and I have communicated plenty on these blogs, and he knows the truth. Unfortunately, he will never acknowledge that he frequently engages in the kind of ad hominem attacks he accuses others of exclusively engaging in. Anyone who disagrees with Dave is labeled a Progressive who must necessarily be a thief and must be living off the government trough. I have pointed out the inaccuracy of his assessment, but he will never acknowledge anything but the fact that when he acts like a CB, I call him one.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are a Progressive, Jeff. Do you think I’m calling you a bad name when I call you a Progressive?
            And Jeff, why are you lying? You call me names like CB, because you can’t stand up to me in any kind of logical or factual debate.

          • Jeff

            I think YOU think you’re calling me a bad name by calling me a Progressive. And I only call you CB when you engage in your creepy personal attacks. If your Mises stuff is so great, sell it on its merits. You shouldn’t have to accuse all your opponents of stealing your MONEY!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            But you are stealing peoples’ money when you use Government to Force them to pay for things they don’t approve of. It’s really pretty elementary. Well, I am assuming some intelligence on your part.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “I think YOU think you’re calling me a bad name by calling me a Progressive”.
            You think? And you’re a Progressive? Isn’t that an oxymoron?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “You shouldn’t have to accuse all your opponents of stealing your MONEY!”.
            The truth hurts, doesn’t it Jeff? The sheer unadulterated gall of me calling you what you are — a thief.
            Imagine that, a man who conspires with his Gang to steal other peoples’ money, and then he cries the Blues because I point it out to him.

          • WTS/JAY

            Jeff: Anyone who disagrees with Dave is labeled a Progressive who must necessarily be a thief and must be living off the government trough.

            Another, false and misleading statement! Will you be going for the record today, Jeff?

          • John Woodbury

            I would rather be Dave’s Pit Bull than Obama’s bitch.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have seen nothing of the sort in your comments, Jeff. If I had, I would have made you look bad.
            You are a Liberal Progressive, Jeff. People would have to be brain-dead to not know that about you.

          • Jeff

            Dave, I’ve never denied being a Liberal Progressive. What makes your comments so creepy is your presumption that that label means nothing I say can ever make sense and that it must mean I live off the government. You could not be more mistaken, but I’m sure you will continue to say it about everyone with whom you disagree.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Jeff. You call me names because you are bereft of logic and facts, so you must compensate with typical manipulative Liberal Progressive techniques.

          • Jeff

            Like what? Telling you what I think? How is that manipulative? Other than your standard syllogism:
            All Progressives are manipulative.
            Jeff is a Progressive.
            Ergo, Jeff is manipulative.
            If that’s how you think, then you’re not intelligent enough to discuss anything beyond what time to feed the cat.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you really so ignorant, Jeff, that you think you’re fooling the readers?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says “I’ve never denied being a Liberal Progressive”.
            Funny because just a short while ago, Jeff said this — “In response, you have called me a liar, a thief, and, worst of all, a Progressive”.
            Apparently you don’t even read your own comments, Jeff. But then, they are pretty nauseating so I shouldn’t blame you for that.

          • Jeff

            I really do give you too much credit in the brains department, Dave. That was meant tongue-in-cheek. Like, he accused me of being a murderer, a rapist, and worst of all, a Californian. But since all you read are Mises articles and right wing blogs saying “Obama is evil” I guess you can’t detect irony.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The “irony” here, Jeff, is that even with all the thumbs down you get on this board, you think people are buying your nonsense.

          • Jeff

            You really are incapable of intelligent discussion. All you can do is cite Mises articles and call people creepy names. BTW: you have demonstrated you don’t know what irony means.
            And I don’t care if you or your creepy posse “buy” what I say. When I see nonsense posted, I state my opinion. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Jeff, I used the word quite well.
            Irony:
            “incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result”.
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

            Your usage, however, was fallacious and disingenuous.

          • Jeff

            In normal usage, a good example of “irony” would be your needing a medical procedure to save your life, which procedure is denied by your free market insurance company but would be standard fare in, say, Canada or France.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            In “normal usage, a good example of “irony” would be your needing a medical procedure to save your life” and being denied by a panel of Government agents even though you’ve paid for other peoples’ procedures out of your own pocket through taxation.
            Ahh, the wonderful world of Socialism, where everybody pays, but only the politically connected benefit.

          • Jeff

            Are you saying in Canada and Western Europe that only the politically connected get medical care? If so, I’m pretty sure that’s wrong.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “Politically Connected” is a very general term. There can be all levels of Connection from which patient is the most appealing or heart-tugging to outright favoritism by virtue of nepotism or some other close connection.
            The point is that it becomes a Political Decision, instead of a question of who is willing to pay the most of their hard-earned money in a voluntary market place.
            The bottom line is that people have to be Forced by Government to participate in such a human lottery.
            Most people don’t like to be Forced to do things they don’t want to do.

            Those who would like to understand better how Government has been the cause of our current Healthcare Mess should read this article by Murray Rothbard:
            http://mises.org/daily/6099/Government-Medical-Insurance

          • Jeff

            So, are you saying people in Canada and Western Europe are being denied care based on non-medical factors? Because in a purely free market system, many surely are denied care based on the “human lottery.” I know your feelings toward MSNBC but they do sponsor free health clinics where thousands of people show up who haven’t seen a doctor in years. Whatever the theory behind a system that causes such poor results, it needs to be changed.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did you read the article I linked to, Jeff?
            I’m betting you haven’t.
            Here’s an audio for the reading-challenged:
            http://archive.mises.org/10466/health-care-the-government-is-the-problem/

            More:
            http://mises.org/daily/3586
            A four-step solution:
            http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

          • Jeff

            I read it and I don’t buy it. Certainly there is truth in what he says. That is nearly always the case with Mises articles. They contain some fundamental truths while ignoring the real issue. Yes, in the 1930s and 40s and even 50s, doctors not only made housecalls; they were poorly paid; and they had relatively little to offer. Antibiotics were high tech medicine in those days. The concept of vaccines was in its infancy. If you got cancer or heart disease, treatments were primitive at best.

            We no longer live in that world. We now live in a world where many cancers that would have been nearly 100% fatal 50 years ago are now nearly 100% curable. Soldiers who lost limbs in Iraq are running and playing basketball instead of begging on street corners.

            Is there truth in the statement that patients want treatments they can’t afford to pay for? Yes. People have insurance not to pay for routine visits to the doctor for a cold or flu but for truly catastrophic medical events – heart attack, stroke, etc. Is a stroke victim supposed to pay for the rehab out of his own pocket and thereby limit the cost? Medicine is the one area of the economy that is uniquely unsuited to the operation of the free market as the customer is frequently unable to enter into a contract with any knowledge of what he’s doing. He trusts the doctor implicitly as his life is literally in the doctor’s hands and he knows nothing about the treatment.

            As for people overusing their medical care, I suppose it’s theoretically possible, but do people do it? Do even lonely old ladies go to the doctor every week to get their blood pressure checked? I have my doubts. Most people avoid the doctor and go only when told.

            Medical care is not like buying a flat screen TV or a cor or a condo at the beach. You don’t know what disease is lurking around the corner, and regardless how well you take care of yourself, as you get older, the unexpected will happen. This is why we have insurance whether private or public.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff, you are merely, as usual, spouting conjecture.
            For one thing, the evidence is that vaccines are a scam:
            http://drrimatruthreports.com/vaccine-damnation-retired-vaccine-researcher-speaks-out-on-vaccine-dangers/
            http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/docs/Syringe_of_death.pdf
            Of course there are technical advances over time for most professions — witness computer technology. But to say those advances are a result of Government Meddling is just pure conjecture and the facts are that the countries with the Biggest Governments have the worst economies. The size of a country’s Government is inversely proportional to the size of that country’s economy:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
            So the more likely scenario is that we would have advanced much more rapidly without Government Meddling.

            To deny the moral hazard caused by giving people Free Anything at the expense of other people is just plain fallacious. Anybody who is truly interested in seeing the results of Moral Hazard need only to look up their local subsidized housing projects.
            The odd thing is that you, a Liberal Progressive, are arguing with me about how wonderful our Healthcare industry is, when just a few years ago your same kind (maybe even yourself, I can’t remember) were arguing about how unaffordable Healthcare was and how we needed Government involvement. Actually, of course unknown to the average ignorant citizen, we were in that mess thanks to Government involvement, not in spite of Government involvement.
            Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution!
            People are starting to figure that out, Jeff, so your paycheck is in danger. You need to persuade more people that you’re right, but we’ll be here to persuade them that you’re not.

          • Jeff

            The healthcare system can be both wonderful and unaffordable for many simultaneously. At the high end, we have the best medical care in the world. At the low end, our delivery of basic health services is abominable. We may eventually go to a two tier system so that everyone has access to basic care while those who choose to pay more can have A+ care.

            As for vaccines being bogus, I think you’re spending too much time reading right wing propaganda. While I don’t totally buy the establishment line that there’s no connection between vaccines and autism (like I never believed the military when they said no connection between Agent Orange and cancer), I believe if vaccines are given one at a time rather than shotgun-style, they are relatively safe and extraordinarily beneficial. How many people have you seen contracting polio in recent years?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s odd how many of you Liberal Progressives come up with the Polio example. Why is that? Is that something they teach you in shill class? Anyway, here’s a refutation of that:
            http://www.vaclib.org/basic/polio.htm
            And another:
            http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=348

            As far as a two-tier system goes, it’s unlikely. Socialists don’t like the shining example of Capitalism next to the abysmal example of Socialism, so they typically ban the former. Plus the Free Market would quickly suck off the most talented Medical Personnel, resulting in even poorer service for the Socialistic sector.
            http://archive.mises.org/4710/why-socialized-medicine-leads-to-the-prohibition-of-private-medicine/

            Besides, that does nothing to address the fact that any kind of Socialism is not only Theft and Force but, without the pricing signals of the Free Market, resources are used inefficiently resulting in higher costs and more shortages for the people that need them whether they are poor or not.
            Wait times for medical services in Canada:
            http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2012.pdf

            Here’s another article which reveals the true factors behind our messed-up healthcare system:
            http://mises.org/daily/5066/The-Myth-of-FreeMarket-Healthcare

            Jeff, Maybe you enjoy your brainwashing (or are you one of the washers?), but other people would probably like to be freed of the ignorance.

          • Jeff

            It’s not just polio. Remember all the “normal” childhood diseases of our youth? Most of them are distant memories because of vaccination.

            http://www.immunizationinfo.org/parents/why-immunize

            As for the possibility of a two tier system, Medicare has co-existed with purely private health care for nearly 50 years. No one is advocating socialism in the Marxist, “means of production” sense. But certain aspects of the economy require more collective, rather than private, action. One is the military, another is environmental cleanup, and another still is the provision of basic healthcare to keep people healthy and working. It’s good for the private economy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “It’s not just polio. Remember all the “normal” childhood diseases of our youth? Most of them are distant memories because of vaccination”.
            Because you say so, Jeff?
            From the article you posted:
            “In 1952, polio paralyzed more than 21,000 people.2 In 2002, there were no cases of polio in the United States”.
            From the article I posted:
            “Before the first Salk vaccine trials, polio incidence had already declined greatly. Decline was even greater by the time the Salk and Sabine vaccines came into widespread use. The intensive use in 1958 was followed by more than a doubling of incidence. At no time after the introduction of the two vaccines against polio was decline greater than before vaccine introduction”.

            From the article you posted:
            “Before 1963, more than 3 million cases of measles and 500 deaths from measles were reported each year.2 More than 90% of children had measles by age 15.2 In 2002, there were 44 cases of measles”.
            From this article:
            http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/docs/Syringe_of_death.pdf
            “Measles, Diphtheria, Whooping Cough, Polio and Hepatitis B were all in sharp decline long before vaccines were introduced. The contribution to the decline made by vaccines, however, was negligible or non-existent. Scarlet Fever, typhoid fever and cholera, for which inoculation either did not exist or was never wide-spread, declined on the same sharp curve for the same reasons. So do we need inoculations because of the public health hazard? Despite the considerable hype, in fact, there is no unbiased evidence which connects disease prevention with inoculation”.

            Can you cite any double-blind studies, Jeff, to support the efficacy and safety of any of the vaccines cited in your article?

          • Jeff

            I’m sorry but when virtually every physician extols the value of vaccines, I’m more inclined to believe them than the conspiracy theorists who think it’s all a plot. As I said, I think one needs to be careful with vaccines and not get a bunch at one time, but the evidence appears pretty strong. You can play games with numbers, but I was a kid not that long ago (the 50s and 60s) and I had the Mumps, the German Measles, and Chicken Pox. Kids today think of those diseases like the Spanish Inquisition. If you want to believe those results (i.e. the elimination of once prevalent diseases) are coincidental, you have a lot of faith in conspiracy theories.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “I’m sorry but when virtually every physician extols the value of vaccines, I’m more inclined to believe them than the conspiracy theorists who think it’s all a plot”.
            Yep. When you can’t win, do like the Liberal Progressives do — throw out the manipulative phrases like “conspiracy theorists”.
            “How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think” — Hitler.
            Learn their tactics, Folks. They have nothing but manipulation on their sides. Take that away and they have nothing.

          • Jeff

            Why does Hitler always enter the picture with you guys? The vast majority of doctors believe that vaccines are effective. You seem to believe it’s all make believe. If it were all made up, how, other than through a grand conspiracy, would so many intelligent physicians believe the same thing. A few years ago there were people arguing just as vehemently that HIV was not the cause of AIDS.

            Now, when officialdom was saying there was no connection between Agent Orange and cancer, that was the Armed Forces’ official stance. It doesn’t mean all (or even a majority of) physicians believed it. In fact, there were studies by respected researchers pointing to the connection as early as 1969. I don’t see a genuine controversy among doctors or researchers concerning the efficacy of vaccines.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “The vast majority of doctors believe that vaccines are effective”.
            Yes, and the vast majority of Lemmings follow the Leader over the cliffs. So what’s your point, Jeff?

            Jeff says — “You seem to believe it’s all make believe”.
            No, I think it’s very real that people like feathering their own nests, and will go along with any scam to keep those nests comfortable. How’s your nest doing, Jeff?

            Jeff says — “If it were all made up, how…..would so many intelligent physicians believe the same thing”.
            When I was a young Biology major, the routine medical solution to malignant lumps was the draconian procedure of Mastectomy. Even after studies proved that the disfiguring traumatic operations were unnecessary in most cases, they continued for another decade because it was the standard procedure in the medical journals and the doctors were afraid of being sued.
            But Jeff would have no doubt argued for its continuance because “how…..would so many intelligent physicians believe the same thing”.

            With Jeff’s way of thinking most of the modern technological advances would have never occurred because the Majority of Intelligent People Didn’t Think of Them.

            How many ignorant people does it take to install a light bulb? Three. One to stand on a ladder and hold the bulb. Two more to turn the ladder.

          • Jeff

            CB:

            I really try not to get personal, but you make it difficult with all the personal attacks. I specifically referred to situations where there was legitimate controversy among doctors. No, the mere fact that a majority believe something does not make it correct and, yes, every correct new idea begins as a minority opinion. My point is there’s no real controversy among doctors concerning the efficacy of vaccines. To call all doctors who believe in vaccines “lemmings” is just one more example of your creepiness.
            Just like there’s no real scientific controversy concerning climate change, the age of the earth, or the theory of evolution. A few cranks does not a controversy make.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah sure, Jeff, we believe you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Poor little innocent Jeff.
            Jeff says — “Just like there’s no real scientific controversy concerning climate change”.
            Oh?
            http://www.climatedepot.com/

            That is why you have no credibility on this board, Jeff.

          • Jeff

            I like the way you try to establish yourself as the judge or moderator of every discussion you’re involved in. You simply rule that you’re right and the other guy’s wrong. Another word for it is “didactic.” This website makes Mises look quite reasonable, by the way.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I like the way you whine when you can’t win. Waaah!

          • Jeff

            Now you’re parroting your twin, JeffH. He’s quite the Libertarian with his swastikas and pictures of Hitler, by the way. I’m simply pointing out the idiocy of your proclaiming yourself the “winner” of every argument with me or anyone else. It’s not about winning or losing and I’m hardly whining, you shmuck! I’m stating my opinion just like you are.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Opinions are all you guys state, but at least you admitted it. That is, in between your name-calling, and other typical Liberal Progressive manipulative tactics.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “No one is advocating socialism in the Marxist, “means of production” sense”.
            Socialism is a negatively-productive system and it’s easy for anybody to figure that out if they want to. Of course, some people don’t want to because they are gaining advantage over others under Socialism.
            It doesn’t matter how large a percentage of the economy is Socialistic, every little bit of Socialism is still negatively productive.
            Sure we can survive under partial Socialism. It’s like losing a finger. Not a desirable event, but a person can go on living quite well. But lose a hand, and then it’s a different story. Lose an arm — even worse, and so on.
            Socialism is a system of Force and Theft which is promoted by people (usually the Leaders) who gain advantage over other people under that kind of environment. With Socialism, it doesn’t matter how productive you are, it matters how sycophantic you are. Who is going to work hard when they can’t keep the fruits of their labor? So we have less productivity. With less productivity we have fewer goods and services to go around. So more people go wanting. That’s why Communism (all Socialism, no Capitalism) fails miserably.
            Pure Capitalism (Free Markets), on the other hand is purely Voluntary. You can pursue the career of your choice without the shackles of Government. You can trade with anybody you want to trade with. You don’t have to buy any products you don’t want to buy.
            Under Capitalism (no Government meddling) companies are slaves to the consumers. They can’t pay Politicians (whether that be by direct bribes, campaign contributions, or some other form) to give them special protections. The only way they can succeed under Capitalism is by pleasing their customers.
            For those people who would like to study Socialism and Capitalism deeply:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Hans-Hermann%20Hoppe/Theory%20of%20Socialism%20and%20Capitalism,%20A.pdf

          • Jeff

            What you propose is grossly oversimplified. You are assuming an “Adam Smith” marketplace where no producer is large enough to impact the market. That assumes, as you’ve stated, no government for certain producers to cozy up to. When has such a society existed? When people come together to form societies, they form governments. Government has certain inherent powers and among them are taxation for the common good, eminent domain, and environmental cleanup. If it floats your boat to call it theft, then by all means do so, but you are assuming that all the money you made is entirely yours and that the society has no claim on any of it. If you went to public school riding on public roads with the protections of police, fire, building inspectors, etc., you can’t really say you made it totally on your own. The society (read: Government) made some contribution to your success.

            This is why such absolutist arguments as yours get nowhere. Everyone knows taxation is not theft. Everyone knows you can’t have civil society without rules and the Government has to enforce those rules. The arguments are over what Government should do and at what cost – not whether there should be a Government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “What you propose is grossly oversimplified”.
            Untalented people like Jeff gravitate to complex solutions, because it makes them seem more important.

            Jeff says — “You are assuming an “Adam Smith” marketplace where no producer is large enough to impact the market”.
            How lame. Does “Too Big to Fail” ring a bell for anyone? The only way any company, big or small, can survive in a Free Marketplace is to please its customers.

            Jeff says — “That assumes, as you’ve stated, no government for certain producers to cozy up to. When has such a society existed?”.
            Talk about circular logic. Jeff admits that political entrepreneurs (Crony Capitalists) need Big Government to survive, yet he is arguing against reducing its size.
            But that Society has existed, Jeff, in Pennsylvania in the 1680s , and to a large extent in the 19th century United States when Government consumed only 4% of the GDP (it now consumes 40% of GDP). Our country became the economically strongest country in the world during the 19th century.
            http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard81.html
            The reason that Free Markets are a rarity in the world is that Leaders don’t have much Power with Free Markets and Government historically has been composed of ruthless non-productive people who use Force to establish themselves as parasites on the people. Jeff would like that to continue.

            Jeff says — “If you went to public school riding on public roads with the protections of police, fire, building inspectors, etc., you can’t really say you made it totally on your own”.
            More circular reasoning. First the Liberal Progressives take our money for their pet projects, then they try to manipulate us with the fact that WE use what WE pay for.

            Jeff says — “This is why such absolutist arguments as yours get nowhere. Everyone knows taxation is not theft”.
            More buzz phrases. Jeff is getting desperate. Everyone knows that? When you take property from unwilling donors, it IS theft, whether you act as one or two or 100 million thieves.
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

            Ask yourselves, Folks — “Why would Jeff argue so vociferously for that Big Coercive Government?”
            Can you spell SHILL?

          • Jeff

            Dave, why do you assume no one can disagree with you without being a shill or somehow evil? And why do you constantly need to put down anyone who disagrees? It does not speak well of your education or your debating skills.

            Why are banks able to grow “too big to fail,” Dave? These are multi-state, multi-national banks way beyond the power of any state to regulate. Apparently, they are beyond the capacity of the Federal Government to regulate as well. “Too big to fail” is not a legal classification; it is a recognition of reality. If the Government does not regulate them to limit their size, create a firewall between FDIC deposits and gambling, and actually regulate credit default swaps, 2008 will recur every few years.

            1680 Pennsylvania, Dave? Really? That’s your example applicable to the 21st Century? And in the 19th Century, the Government was plenty big; it just didn’t intervene directly in the economy. And how did that work out for actual human beings?

            http://madeinamericathebook.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/good-health-long-life-and-big-government/

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “why do you assume no one can disagree with you without being a shill or somehow evil”.
            Why do you get mostly thumbs down, and I get mostly thumbs up, Jeff? Obviously people are being influenced by the truth that I present. Yet, as long as you’ve been here, you have shown no signs of any such learning. And you spend an inordinate amount of time regurgitating the same Propaganda that most people have already heard ad nauseum in the Propaganda Schools and the MSM.
            That’s not normal. Therefore I conclude that you have a vested interest in misleading people — a SHILL. Of course, you could be just incredibly ignorant and incapable of learning, but I doubt that.

            I encourage people to pick up a copy of your book and read it. Then they should read this book and see which one makes the most sense:
            http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-ebook/dp/B000FC1TDK

            Here’s another excellent book:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • Jeff

            So who’s the lemming now, Dave? You think the fact that more people on a right wing blog agree with you has any meaning? Do you think I’m going to alter the way I think or stop expressing myself because you and your semi-literate acolytes disagree with me? think again. Keep playing to your crowd, Dave. Real intellectuals are always concerned with what the Alondras of the world think. LOL

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Socialism in pure form has never worked because the only way it can survive is as a parasite on Capitalism. Socialism gives the appearance of being successful only until they run out of other peoples’ money.
            http://archive.mises.org/6051/more-on-pinochet-and-marxism-the-necessity-of-evil-means-to-achieve-socialism/

            Socialism is a logical failure, and it is an experiential failure.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sign of a chronic liar — They lie about an event even after you have caught them red-handed.

          • Deerinwater

            He does that jeff ! ~ He thinks it’s cleaver I suppose. ~ A standard lay down card when he don’t have a clue of what to play first.~ A “Check the Power” play. ~ sticks his toe in the water to see if it’s hot or cold.

            A rehearsed rabid attack to hide the obtuse nature of his posting. In hope you might throw him back something he can play on and work in his prerecorded “talking points” he borrowed from someone somewhere.

            return to sender

          • Ringgo1

            We have all seen your posts many, many times. You fool nobody but yourself…

          • Jeff

            Explain how I’m trying to fool anyone. I disagree with Dave’s simplistic notions and I say so.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More ad hominems. Don’t you tire of thumbs down, Jeff?

          • rbrooks

            when they give you thumbs up, on this site,they are voting you the dumbest poster.
            you seem to win that a lot.

          • WTS/JAY

            Ringgo1 stated that; you fool nobody but yourself. So your question should have been; explain how i fooled myself, and not; explain how i’m trying to fool anyone? You’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, dumb dumb?

    • BALONEY TONEY MAHONEY

      You are still a moron!!! YOU HAVE LEARNED NOTHING!!

      • Jeff

        I believe Rachel was talking about you, too. I haven’t heard from you since about a week before the election. I was worried – thought you had stuck your head in Dick Morris’ oven or something. So, are you still the lone Republican in NYC?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Worried? Why, Jeff; because there would be one less pocket for you to pick?

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Maddow’s political views: “I’m undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I’m in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican partyplatform.”

    • Deerinwater

      I would say that is an accurate assessment.

  • BHR

    Maddow is a very sick woman. Another person who hates America because she makes to much money, drives an expense car and lives in a home few can afford. She must have a guilty conscience.

  • TML

    “…except it means only that I dared ask questions about Obama. Funny enough, none of those questions has ever involved his birth or birth certificate. Never. Not once.”’

    I’d like to hear the questions you asked verbatim. Have I missed them somewhere in your lengthy rant?

    I’ve not seen much of Rachel Maddow (I don’t watch much television) and the one time I have seen her she was criticizing Obama about Prolonged Detention in this video – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdkX5Zsqjmk
    And frankly, all I’ve heard from you (on this site) is whining about no one remembering Obama, and spouting the whole ‘birther’ nonsense. I’ve debunked your faulty reasoning on that issue several times, so me thinks there is something ‘ol Wayne isn’t telling us.

    • speedle24

      If you haven’t heard Maddow you may not understand what a radical leftist commentator is. She is so far off the rail she makes Chrissy (legchill) Matthews look like John Birch.

    • Cliffystones

      Don’t watch Maddow unless you have a TV set you’re trashing anyway.

  • Alex

    Rachel Maddow is a wonderful example for our young women to follow—well-read and intelligent, with whip-smart humor..

    Young people are abandoning Fox News and, thank God, Rachel is picking up the bulk of these viewers.

    Wayne Allen Root is no more than a loudmouthed ingrate who finds no greater pleasure in life than seeing his name in print. Rachel mentioning him is much akin to Vin Scully talking about A-Rod i.e. the greatness does not rub off.

    Maybe Wayne will trumpet his “star” on the Las Vegas Walk of Fame for the upteenth time—the silly little star that sits sits so perfectly between Bugsy Seigel and Carrot Top.

    • WTS/JAY

      Another good one, Alex; ad hominem that is! Btw, do you have a special folder marked “ad- hominems” on your drive, or do you just make them up on the fly?

    • ridge runner

      She sure is a prime example of example for young females, morals of a [expletive deleted] in standing, a real prime example of a life support system of female parts, able to regurgate the democrat bildge day after day. Either Alex is a lost spawn of the shake down thugs Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or some otherthug reject.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    David Erickson says — “Rachel Maddow is known for level headed, fact based reporting”.

    And then he proceeds to launch one big ad hominem attack against those he dislikes, much like MadCow’s attack on Freedom Lovers in this tirade:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5IGaLTuIkg

    Fact based, my butt.

    • ridge runner

      Rachel is level haded, ever one of her hook ups, complement he level head make a great drink rest.

  • WTS/JAY

    THIRD FED COURT RULES! Obama Violated Constitution!

    A third federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that President Obama violated the Constitution last year when he made recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board, adding more weight to the case as it goes before the Supreme Court in the justices’ next session.

    The Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in a 2-1 decision, said that the president can only make recess appointments after Congress has adjourned “sine die,” which in modern times has meant when it breaks at the end of each year.

    That ruling rejects Mr. Obama’s own interpretation that he can make appointments whenever he deems the Senate to be unable to give him “advice and consent” on his nominees.

    http://ppsimmons.blogspot.ca/2013/07/third-fed-court-rules-obama-violated.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Ppsimmons+(PPSIMMONS)&utm_content=FaceBook

  • WTS/JAY

    Californians Think Vice President Joe Biden is DEAD (FUNNY MUST WATCH)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P60O-tems_0

    • vicki

      Very funny. And sad. It isn’t that they thought he was dead. It is that they didn’t know nor care who he was.

  • Dave

    W.A.R is a great American… Just ask him, he will tell you.

    Wayne, Maddow just pointed out you are on the fringe. You support the birther arguement, that Obama is somehow a “plant” at Columbia and you offer a wonderful lack of proof.

    You are one of the reasons the GOP are going to lose more and more national elections. Your divisive rhetoric does not help the country, just your book and speaking sales which is all you really care about anyways. Keep up the great work of exposing conservatives. We liberals surely appreciate your efforts.

    • billybob

      I’d like your side of this story. Can you dismiss all of these situation by showing your logic or maybe some sort of proof? You sound like a leftist who can’t produce anything except slander! I’m open to your suggestions!

    • MarcJ

      President Obama is a Marxist Muslim born in Mombasa, Kenya. It is now confirmed 100%.
      1) Both birth certificates were forged by clever computer imaging – the short form one and the long form one. The long form one was issued after the short-form one was shown to be a forgery and lists the hospital’s new name from 1971 – ten years after his birth.
      2) His Selective Service card is a forgery with a forged date; all SS cards show US Postal Service date with 4 numbers for the year; his card shows only two numbers – 80 – obtained by cutting out the date 2008 and reversing 08 into 80.
      3) Airport immigration records for the week of his birth are missing – destroyed; all such records are complete for at least the last 70 years – except for the first 10 days from August 1 to 10, 1961, when he was born, and when his grandmother and mother returned to Honolulu flying from Kenya with the baby.
      4) His Social Security card belongs to a long-dead Connecticut man by the name of Jean Paul Ludwig who died in Hawaii; Obama never lived in Connecticut. His grandmother worked for the Honolulu Social Services where she stole Mr. Ludwig’s Social Security card.
      5) His grandmother had said to the newsmen that she had accompanied her daughter, Obama’s mother, on a trip to Mombasa, Kenya, to give birth there. Within a week after that the grandmother suddenly died; the official explanation was that the grandmother was losing her mind due to old age.
      6) His records from the Occidental College in Los Angeles show that he had received its scholarship as a foreign student from Indonesia. The same “Foreign Student” is read on his student card from the Columbia University. Those records were then expunged.
      7) He was sent to Pakistan in 1981 by his Muslim stepfather to study 3 months in a Muslim madrassa there, traveling with his Indonesian passport.

      8) All his schooling records are sealed: Occidental College records, Columbia College records, Columbia thesis paper, Harvard College records; also his Selective Service registration (now shown to be a fake); medical records; Illinois State Senate schedule and records; his law practice client list; baptism record; his passports. ALL SEALED.

      9) Another nail in the “Hawaii-born” Obama saga was found in the first edition of his autobiographical book “Dreams from my father”, where he proudly stated that he was born in Kenya. That sentence was purged from the following editions of the book. His father was a tribal communist, ending his life as an alcoholic in abject poverty after he had failed in his political aspirations. There is no doubt any longer. Except that we all wonder – a President of the United States should have been able to secure services of more professional forgers.

      10) Congressional testimony by the outgoing FBI Director Mueller in 2013 shows the consequences of Obama’s “Outreach” program, whereby the massive capture of all our phone calls and e-mails exempts specifically American mosques, their mullahs and imams, and their membership from such surveillance. That is how, for example, the surveillance of the two Boston Marathon jihadist bombers was eliminated back in 2011 – and these murderers were left in peace to plan and execute their terrorist attack.

      11) And I would appreciate if our liberals, progressives, commies, sozis, eco-Nazis, Democrats, and other bottom-feeders and scum of our dying society would not answer the above 9 points by their usual invectives and nasty name-calling – but by point-by-point documented answers.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        All that and more will become widespread by the MSM when the Puppet Masters have decided that he is too much of a liability.

      • TML

        “1) Both birth certificates were forged by clever computer imaging – the short form one and the long form one. The long form one was issued after the short-form one was shown to be a forgery and lists the hospital’s new name from 1971 – ten years after his birth.”

        The short form and long form certificates have not been ‘proven’ to be forgeries, not even in a court of law. The Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital has carried that name since 1931 up to 1971 when it was shortened to Kapi’olani Hospital which was then merged with the Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital in 1979.

        “2) His Selective Service card is a forgery with a forged date; all SS cards show US Postal Service date with 4 numbers for the year; his card shows only two numbers – 80 – obtained by cutting out the date 2008 and reversing 08 into 80.”

        Examining the stamp we can see that it shows “USPO” (for United States Post Office) underneath the alleged forged date. The USPO became the United States Postal Service (USPS) in 1970. So the claim that the hand stamp was an altered 2008 stamp would be impossible since it would have read USPS rather than USPO.

        “3) Airport immigration records for the week of his birth are missing – destroyed; all such records are complete for at least the last 70 years – except for the first 10 days from August 1 to 10, 1961, when he was born, and when his grandmother and mother returned to Honolulu flying from Kenya with the baby.”

        This is pure conjecture, not evidence. Lack of evidence of such speculation is not evidence to support your allegation.

        “4) His Social Security card belongs to a long-dead Connecticut man by the name of Jean Paul Ludwig who died in Hawaii; Obama never lived in Connecticut. His grandmother worked for the Honolulu Social Services where she stole Mr. Ludwig’s Social Security card.”

        The Social Security Death index shows Jean Paul Ludwig (1890-1981) has a completely different number Social Security Number than Obama.

        http://www.ancestry.com/cs/us/ssdi-records-overlay?state=&kw=Social+Security+Death+Index+Records&s_kwcid=social+security+death&o_xid=21892&o_lid=21892&o_sch=Search

        “5) His grandmother had said to the newsmen that she had accompanied her daughter, Obama’s mother, on a trip to Mombasa, Kenya, to give birth there. Within a week after that the grandmother suddenly died; the official explanation was that the grandmother was losing her mind due to old age.”

        This was said by Sarah Obama, the second wife of President Obama’s grandfather (not Obama’s real grandmother), through a translator. She does in fact say that but it was a error in translation which was corrected repeatedly. Here is the actual audio. http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma

        “6) His records from the Occidental College in Los Angeles show that he had received its scholarship as a foreign student from Indonesia. The same “Foreign Student” is read on his student card from the Columbia University. Those records were then expunged.”

        His records are still unreleased, so pray tell how the records from Occidental College show this? Nay, it’s a hoax. A well debunked one. Not only by the Occidental Director of Communications, Jim Tranquada…. In additional to the fact that Obama attended as an undergraduate, to which Fulbright scholarships coordinated through the American Indonesian Exchange Foundation does not even fund Indonesians for undergraduate study.

        “7) He was sent to Pakistan in 1981 by his Muslim stepfather to study 3 months in a Muslim madrassa there, traveling with his Indonesian passport.”

        There is no evidence that Obama traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. This is mere conjecture based on the false belief that Americans were not permitted to travel to Pakistan on an American passport simply because of a Travel Advisory (which advise only of updated visa requirements) issued August that same year

        “8) All his schooling records are sealed: Occidental College records, Columbia College records, Columbia thesis paper, Harvard College records; also his Selective Service registration (now shown to be a fake); medical records; Illinois State Senate schedule and records; his law practice client list; baptism record; his passports. ALL SEALED.”

        Pointing out that his records are all sealed doesn’t allude to any foul play as Bush II also did not release his records…. And additionally, again, now admitting that records are sealed while while just two points prior claiming that his records at Occidental College “show” he had received as scholarship as a foreign student further shows the lack of logic and credibility in such claims.

        “9) Another nail in the “Hawaii-born” Obama saga was found in the first edition of his autobiographical book “Dreams from my father”, where he proudly stated that he was born in Kenya. That sentence was purged from the following editions of the book. His father was a tribal communist, ending his life as an alcoholic in abject poverty after he had failed in his political aspirations. There is no doubt any longer. Except that we all wonder – a President of the United States should have been able to secure services of more professional forgers.”

        Never heard this one before; I don’t ever recall seeing him proudly state he was born in Kenya, and highly implausible that he would have. But it’s a convenient claim to say it was now purged from the editions. This sounds utterly made up unless you can provide solid proof (to which you have not done for any of these assertions).

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “You [Wayne] support the birther arguement, that Obama is somehow a “plant” at Columbia and you offer a wonderful lack of proof”.
      Duh, Dave, Obama’s attendance, or lack of, at Columbia is NOT a Birther argument. You’re reaching as usual. Wayne has said he’s not a “Birther”, and if you deny that, then it is up to you to prove otherwise.
      But it’s so much easier for you Liberal Progressive to make unsupported claims, isn’t it Dave?

      • TML

        It’s all part of the same conspiratorial hogwash. Wayne (as he wrote on his Facebook page) even went to testify at the Obama trial in New York to support the birther arguments regarding mass conspiracy of Presidential eligibility due to citizenship. Wayne has proffered (even admitting that he is only guessing, because his whole argument is he simply doesn’t remember Obama) that Obama attended the school as foreign exchange student, and therefore either committed fraud (if Obama was a citizen), or is not an American citizen; thus the birther position.

        Wayne’s supposed argument that Obama never attended Columbia is based on a personal lack of evidence, while ignoring evidence that Obama did in fact attend, such as testimony from roommates, a professor at the school, an article published by Obama during his time at the school, and a Columbia College Today profile of him as an alumnus. The man just doesn’t have credibility as far as I can tell, and there are far more legitimate reasons to criticize Obama and his policies than wasting time on trivial conspiracy and chasing ghosts.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Wayne says — “Maddow even gave me a name, “birther.” It sounds similar to “murderer,” except it means only that I dared ask questions about Obama. Funny enough, none of those questions has ever involved his birth or birth certificate. Never. Not once”.
          TML says — “Wayne (as he wrote on his Facebook page) even went to testify at the Obama trial in New York to support the birther arguments regarding mass conspiracy of Presidential eligibility due to citizenship”.

          So you’re calling Wayne a liar, TML? I think that if you know that to be true, you should provide some evidence for that claim.

          • TML

            Not calling him a liar necessarily. The presupposition that Obama was a foreign exchange student at Occidental College, inherently presumes that Obama was not born a citizen. Thus a birther.

            Wayne’s statement , “none of those questions has ever involved his birth”

            Is obviously an error.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No TML. Claiming that somebody was a Foreign Exchange student is not the same as Claiming that they weren’t born in the US.
            Note that I am only seeking honesty here. I could care less if the Dictator Obama was born here or not.
            Personally, I’d like to see the authors spend less time talking about Obama, and more time talking about the concepts of Freedom which many people are ignorant of.
            Obama is just the tip of the iceberg.

          • TML

            How would someone be a ‘foreign’ exchange student if they were born a citizen of the United States?
            It is a claim that Obama is either a fraud, renounced his citizenship at some point in his life, or was not born a citizen.

            It still involves a question of his birth.
            Wayne admitted that being a foreign exchange student was only a guess, so honestly I could care less if Wayne is considered a ‘birther’, I’m just saying how he came to be called such by Maddow.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Please, do you really need to ask that question, TML?

          • TML

            Its obviously rhetorical if you read my entire comment before responding.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re clutching for straws, TML.
            I imagine that every country has its own rules for citizenship, and it’s pretty certain that their citizenship as a child follows from that of their parents choosing.

          • TML

            LoL… no, the whole conspiratorial hogwash based on faulty logic and reasoning and the birther nonsense is the definition of grasping at straws sir. :)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You should try reading my comments more carefully, TML. If I am ever wrongly accused of a crime, I sure wouldn’t want you on my jury.

          • TML

            I could say the same of you. As I said, “honestly I could care less if Wayne is considered a ‘birther’, I’m just saying how he came to be called such by Maddow.”

            I’ve been around awhile, and I agree with a lot of the things you say; we just don’t agree on the birther issue and alot of these conspiracy theories about Obama (and no, I abhor most of his policies).

            If you wouldn’t want me on a jury, it’s probably because I would reject the claims as insufficient evidence, or see that there just isn’t a case…. as every court has deemed so far.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We don’t agree on the birther issue?
            Where did I state my opinion on that?

          • TML

            Your comment to MarcJ “All that and more will become widespread by the MSM when the Puppet Masters have decided that he is too much of a liability.” directly below, led me to believe you agree with his post which includes direct claims of Obama’s birth certificate. But if your saying otherwise, so be it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            OMG (just an expression), TML. You are really reaching mightily now.

          • TML

            Not reaching for anything, just talking, dude, lol Relax
            If you don’t agree with the ‘birther’ arguments then that’s quite alrght, I’m not trying to stick a label on you.

            Have a good day :)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I didn’t say that either, TML. You need to quit putting words in my mouth.
            You need to read this and think hard about it:
            http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/
            I have a brother who fits the profile well, unfortunately.
            Leaders are definitely not to be trusted.
            I doubt that Obama was born in the US, but there are a lot more important issues for people to be spending their time discussing. Our futures are at stake.

          • TML

            LOL… when did I put words in your mouth?

            Do you believe the conpiracy theories surrounding Obama’s birth, or do you not?

            If you don’t, then we have nothing to talk about.

            If you do, then we can engage.

            What’s so hard for you to understand?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            When did you put words in my mouth?
            Repeatedly, TML.
            Read what I say and quit trying to read more into it than what I say.
            Read my above edited comment.
            And to call anything, which is not widespread belief, a “conspiracy” is just plain manipulation.
            Pick up a copy of “The Real Lincoln”. Read it carefully, and then talk to some of your Progressive friends about it. See if the word “conspiracy” or some other such manipulation doesn’t manifest itself.
            http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/0761526463

          • TML

            Well, I still say I was not putting words in your mouth but looking back at your comments I noticed an edit you had made that I missed.

            “Note that I am only seeking honesty here. I could care less if the Dictator Obama was born here or not.
            Personally,
            I’d like to see the authors spend less time talking about Obama, and
            more time talking about the concepts of Freedom which many people are
            ignorant of.
            Obama is just the tip of the iceberg.”

            I agree

            As I said, have a good day

            Edit: You need to let people know you are editing comment you already made, or just make an additional post. I see you have edited several now.

          • TML

            LoL, yes, I’ve actually read that book and then some. I believe Lincon was one of the worst tyrants in American history that waged war on his own countrymen. That the war was more about secession than it was slavery, most notably because no one invaded to free slaves. My goodness you are judgmental.

  • Larry

    THE BLACK HOLOCAUST

    JOHN W. FOUNTAIN

    author@johnwfountain.com

    Last Modified: May 6, 2012

    Imagine Soldier Field beyond capacity, brimming with 63,879 young African-American men, ages 18 to 24 — more than U.S. losses in the entire Vietnam
    conflict.

    Imagine the University of Michigan’s football stadium — the largest in the U.S. — filled to its limit of 109,901 with black men, age 25 and older. Now add 28,223 more — together totaling more than U.S. deaths in World War I.

    Picture two UIC Pavilions packed with 12,658 Trayvon Martins — black boys, ages 14 to 17 — nearly twice the number of U.S. lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Now picture all of them dead. The national tally of black males 14 and older
    murdered in America from 1976 through 2005, according to U.S. Bureau of Justice statistics: 214,661.

    The numbers tell only part of the story of this largely urban war, where the
    victims bear an uncanny resemblance to their killers. A war of brother against
    brother, filled with wanton and automatic gunfire, even in the light of day, on
    neighborhood streets, where little boys make mud pies, schoolgirls jump rope,
    where the innocent are caught in the crossfire, where the spirit of murder
    blows like the wind.

    It is, so far, a ceaseless war in which guns are often the weapon of choice, and the finger on the trigger of the gun pointed at a black male is most often
    another black male’s.

    The numbers alone are enough to make me cry — to wonder why — we as African Americans will march en masse over one slain by someone who is not black, and yet sit silent over the hundreds of thousands of us obliterated from this mortal world by someone black like us, like me. It is a numbing truth borne out by hard facts:

    From 1980 through 2008, 93 percent of black victims were killed by blacks.

    Translation: For every Trayvon Martin killed by someone not black, nine other
    blacks were murdered by someone black.

    In 2005, — blacks — accounted for 13 percent of the U.S. population but 49 percent of all homicides. The numbers are staggering, the loss incomprehensible.

    Add to the tally of black males 14 and older slain across the country from 1976 to 2005, another 29,335 (slain from 2006 to 2010), and their national body count rises to 243,996, representing 82 percent of all black homicides for that 35-year period. What also becomes clear is this: We too often have raised killers. And this war is claiming our sons.

    But that’s still not the end of the story. Add to that number 51,892 black females ages 14 and older, plus five whose gender was not identifiable, and the total, not counting children, is 295,893 — more than the combined U.S. losses of World War I, the Vietnam, Korean and Mexican-American wars, the War of 1812 and the American Revolutionary War.

    Is the blood of these sons and daughters somehow less American?

    Two hundred ninety-five thousand eight hundred ninety-three . . .

    Imagine the United Center, Wrigley Field, U.S. Cellular Field and Soldier
    Field nearly all filled simultaneously with black boys, girls, men and women.
    Now imagine that twice over. Now imagine them all dead.

    As far as I can see, that’s at least 295,893 reasons to cry. And it is cause
    enough for reticent churches, for communities, for lackadaisical leaders, for
    all people — no matter our race, color or creed — to find the collective will
    and the moral resolve to stamp out this human rights atrocity occurring right
    under our noses.

    Just imagine the human carnage and the toll to us all if we don’t.

    I can’t. I won’t.

    JOHN W. FOUNTAIN

    • Alfred Ferguson

      I cannot speak to the accuracy of the numbers, but I can speak to the efficacy of your writing: you are good. Very good.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The answer — Less Government…..Much Less.

    • Timothy Sullivan

      Now imagine the populations of the top 2 dozen US cities–over 56,000,000—all dead and you begin to realize the scope of abortion in this country from 1973 (Roe vs. Wade) until now. Yes this country has way too much blood on its hands, no matter of what skin color, age or gender! We are on a quest for our own self destruction!

      • Larry

        THE AMERICAN HOLOCAUST

        What is the total number of legal abortions since 1973?

        Since the legalization of abortion in 1973, there have been approximately 50 million abortions performed in the United States.

        Source: Guttmacher Institute, 2011, August. Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States.

        How many abortions are performed in the United States each year?

        According to the Guttmacher Institute, there were 1.21 million abortions performed in the United States in 2008, the most recent year for which data is available. This amounts to 3,322
        abortions per day.

        Source: Jones, Rachel K. and Kathryn Kooistra. “Abortion Incidence and Access to Services in the United States, 2008.” Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health 43, no. 1 (2011, March): 41-50

        DOCTOR DEATH

        Dr. Martin Haskell giving a presentation at the 16th Annual Meeting of the National Abortion Federation Conference in 1992 in San Diego. It was a gathering of abortionists — men and women who make their living by killing babies. Haskell was describing to his audience how to do a partial-birth abortion. Listen to his words about how this procedure takes place:

        “The surgeon then introduces large grasping forceps … through the vaginal and cervical canal … He moves the tip of
        the instrument carefully towards the fetal lower extremities — and pulls the extremity into the vagina …The surgeon then uses his fingers to deliver the opposite lower extremity, then the torso, the shoulders, and the upper extremities. The skull lodges in the internal os. The fetus is oriented … spine up …

        The surgeon then takes a pair of blunt curved Metzenbaum scissors in the right hand. … the surgeon then forces the scissors into the base of the skull–spreads the scissors to
        enlarge the opening. The surgeon–surgeon then introduces a suction catheter into this hole and evacuates the skull contents.”

        Haskell, having described these brutal details, shows his audience a video of himself doing one of these procedures. And at the end of the video, after the sound of the suction machine taking the brains out of the baby’s head, the audience applauds.

        BABY BODY PARTS

        Fetal tissue wholesalers are companies which place employees in abortion clinics to harvest tissue, limbs, organs, etc. from aborted babies. This material is then shipped to
        researchers working for universities, pharmaceutical companies and government agencies. Although it is against federal law to sell human tissue or body parts, these organizations have devised a system to circumvent this
        restriction. Technically, all fetal material they harvest is
        “donated” to them by the clinics. However, they do pay a “site
        fee” to the clinics for the right to access the tissue. The tissue is then “donated” to the researchers who in turn pay the wholesalers for the cost of retrieval. Profit is realized by the wholesalers’ ability to set their own retrieval fees.

  • billybob

    He is right about Alinsky and his book on over throwing the conservative. They continue to use the rules. It is a must reading to understand Obama and his gang of thugs. You can read it on the internet. It is short and to the point! I see people who say impeach and how bad these folks are, but the way to defeat your enemy is to know his weakness. This will help those who are not sure what is happening or why.

  • rbrooks

    your book sales must be still be down. did you cut a deal with maddow to get some air time? it is not going to help.

  • MarcJ

    President Obama is a Marxist Muslim born in Mombasa, Kenya. It is now confirmed 100%.
    1) Both birth certificates were forged by clever computer imaging – the short form one and the long form one. The long form one was issued after the short-form one was shown to be a forgery and shows the hospital’s new name from 1971 – ten years after his birth.
    2) His Selective Service card is a forgery with a forged date; all SS cards show US Postal Service date with 4 numbers for the year; his card shows only two numbers – 80 – obtained by cutting out the date 2008 and reversing 08 into 80.
    3) Immigration records for the week of his birth are missing – destroyed; all such records are complete for at least 70 years – except for the first 10 days from August 1 to 10, 1961, when he was born, and when his grandmother and mother returned to Honolulu from Kenya with the baby.
    4) His Social Security card belongs to a long-dead Connecticut man by the name of Jean Paul Ludwig who died in Hawaii; Obama never lived in Connecticut. His grandmother worked for the Honolulu Social Services where she stole Mr. Ludwig’s Social Security card.
    5) His grandmother had said to the newsmen that she had accompanied her daughter, Obama’s mother, on a trip to Mombasa, Kenya, to give birth there. Within a week after that the grandmother suddenly died; the official explanation was that the grandmother was losing her mind due to old age.
    6) His records from the Occidental College in Los Angeles show that he had received its scholarship as a foreign student from Indonesia. The same “Foreign Student” is read on his student card from the Columbia University.
    7) He was sent to Pakistan in 1981 by his Muslim stepfather to study 3 months in a Muslim madrassa there, traveling with his Indonesian passport.

    8) All his schooling records are sealed: Occidental College records, Columbia College records, Columbia thesis paper, Harvard College records; also his Selective Service registration (now shown to be a fake); medical records; Illinois State Senate schedule and records; his law practice client list; baptism record; his passports. ALL SEALED.

    9) Another nail in the “Hawaii-born” Obama, was found in the first edition of his autobiographical book “Dreams from my father”, where he proudly stated that he was born in Kenya. That sentence was purged from the following editions of the book. His father was a tribal communist, ending his life as an alcoholic in abject poverty after he had failed in his political aspirations. There is no doubt any longer. Except that we all wonder – a President of the United States should have been able to secure services of more professional forgers.

    10) And I would appreciate if our commies, sozis, eco-Nazis, and other Democrats would not answer the above 9 points by their invectives and nasty name-calling – but by point-by-point documented answers.

    • KG

      Will “birther” idiots like yourself please stay in the loony bin?

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

      • MarcJ

        Here comes a far-left bottom-feeder with invectives and name-calling. How about answering my documented points – you creep?

      • BillP

        I didn’t realize that such lunacy still exists and is believed by anyone with a brain. I guess the State of Hawaii is part of this vast conspiracy about President Obama’s birthplace. Forged birth certifiactes, Selective Service cards (debunked by Snopes but I doubt anyone on this site likes to research these ridiculous claims) and Social Security # (also debunked on Snopes). The fact that this is still a believable issue just show how much some people can not stand that a half-black/half-white man was elected president. Keep believing these fantasies and live in your little world.

    • Timothy Sullivan

      And this was to be the most “transparent” presidency? If so I would hate to see their definition of “opaque!”

  • ron

    keep it up, i love this,hit hard,the truth hurt,s god bless amercia.

  • 5alive5

    Maddcow is just that, a MAD COW!!!! I wouldn’t pay attention to her if she said the end of the world was coming and she had irrefutable evidence!!!

    • Robbie

      The far right does indeed have trouble with irrefutable evidence. Thanks for the confirmation.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Evidence? Isn’t that a foreign word to you Liberal Progressives?

        • Robbie

          Not at all. For example many, many conservatives claim that President Obama is not popular and yet the evidence is that polls put him between 45 – 50 % approval rating and, of course, he was elected to his job TWICE and to the state senate and national senate. That’s evidence. Conservatives ignore evidence and they probably ignore the fact that the Congress has an approval rating of about 9%. Mathematical evidence says that 45 is a greater number than 9. Conservatives on this site mostly argue by throwing around obcenities to and about those with whom they disagree. That’s evidence of a rude nature and of a person who can’t actually counter an argument in a mature manner.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m talking about referential evidence, Robbie, not just your conjecture which is usually what we get from Liberal Progressives. You know — links?

            Robbie says — “many conservatives claim that President Obama is not popular and yet the evidence is that polls put him between 45 – 50 % approval rating”.
            http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
            Note that more disapprove than approve. Note also that 38% Strongly Disapprove, while only 23% Strongly Approve.

            Robbie says — “and, of course, he was elected to his job TWICE and to the state senate and national senate. That’s evidence”.
            Do you know the difference, Robbie, between evidence and lip-service? Apparently not.
            In the last election 65 million people voted for Obama. That’s only 30% of the 212 million eligible voters in the US, and only 20% of the 315 million people in the US. So 20% of the people in the US are essentially deciding how to spend the money of the other 80%, including spending money that someday will have to be paid back by future generations who didn’t even have a chance to vote on the matter.

          • Robbie

            You have some funny ideas about how American elections work. First of all it doesn’t matter two wits how many people there are in the country. There are mllions who are too young to vote for example. (I guess you know who three year olds prefer to be president but the rest of us figure they don’t count as far as elections go). Also it doesn’t really matter how many eligible voters there are either. If you don’t vote you don’t count. Besides probably more Obama supporters were non voters because of all the hurdles placed in their way at election time. So what actually counts – as you well know – is the fact that a majority of those who voted voted for Obama and rejected the G.O.P. candidate Mitt Romney. Obama also had an impressive electoral college victory over Mitt who lost every swing state this time. Very impressive for Obama. And 45 or 50 is still bigger than 9.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More conjecture from Robbie.
            What did I say that was untrue, Robbie?

          • Robbie

            It’s not so much about what you said being true or not. What you said is simply not relevant. What counts is who gets the most votes on election day. How many babies there are or kids in grade school is not relevant when it comes to elections because those people are not voters. And as far as conjecture goes it is you who deal in that if you suppose all three years olds would prefer Mitt Romney to be President. I deal in pure facts: Obama got a majority of ACTUAL VOTES and he won an impressive victory in the electoral college too boot.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You said — “You have some funny ideas about how American elections work”.
            That implies that I made untrue claims in my previous comment.
            Robbie says — “And as far as conjecture goes it is you who deal in that if you suppose all three years olds would prefer Mitt Romney to be President”.
            Did I say anything of the kind, Robbie? I don’t even like Romney. Why is it that you Liberal Progressives feel a need to put words in peoples’ mouths?
            Now that was a rhetorical question. Because I know the reason is that your ideas can’t stand on their own, so you must resort to manipulation.

          • Robbie

            I DID NOT imply that you made untrue statements. That’ is not the case. I did say that most of what you said was simply not relevant. I’ll repeat: you can come up with any percentage of popularity for the President you like if you include millions of non voters. Bottom line is – and this is what YOU have to get over – that of the eligible voters who actually got to cast a vote the majority went for Obama and Obama also had an impressive victory in the electoral college results. Those are the facts – not conjecture.

            And, by the way, I am predicting that the next president will be either Hilary or Joe who whoever the Democrats nominate. I agree with Republican governor Bobby Jimbal who has called his own GOP the “stupid party” given the dopes they put on the ballot.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You said “not relevant” in your later comment, Robbie. Get it straight. You really need to take a reading comprehension course.
            And it won’t really matter whether the next president is Democrat or Republican, as we will continue the downhill path that ignorant people have set us on.
            For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility (you have no right to ride on other peoples’ shoulders), Limited Government (about 1/3 of what it is now), Free Markets (you know, Capitalism, which we haven’t been anywhere near for over 100 years), and the Peace that comes from not trying to cram everybody into the same size shoes — Vote Libertarian!
            http://www.lp.org/

          • Jeff

            No one can be responsible for the people who don’t vote. BTW, how many voted for Ron Paul? Not too many. And if public opinion polls have any bearing, if we had higher election turnout, Obama would have received a larger % of the vote than he did. No, I can’t prove that Dave, but it’s at least as valid as your claiming that a majority of all the citizens in the country didn’t vote for Obama. By that metric, no president could ever claim a majority.

            So, we never should have built the intercontinental railroad or the interstate highway system because you didn’t have a say? It’s certainly a unique perspective on representative government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There was a railroad that was built without taxpayer money and, as one might suspect, it was built more cost-effectively, and without the help of Government to take land from people under imminent domain.
            http://mises.org/daily/2317
            From the article:
            “In fact, Hill’s Great Northern was the only transcontinental railroad that never went bankrupt”

  • kkkahn

    Madcow & Nancy Grace, a “gruesome twosome” in need of thorazine.

  • Hey You!

    Comments are often enlightening. However, sometimes, comments become merely rebuttals and/or insults between two of more posters. That surely degrades the whole idea of comments.
    My suggestion is to limit comments from one computer source to 3. Someone who has something to contribute should certainly be able to do so in 3 comments. Over that number, it typically results in childish banter.

    • KG

      Let’s start with yours. Hitting ‘Delete’……..NOW!

    • vicki

      Rebuttals can be enlightening. If, however, they start with or contain ad hominem or argument to ridicule or other insults between the posters you can easily just skip over them.

  • Progressive Republican

    Only an idiot or a liar is going to claim that Maddow as an Obama defender. One need look only briefly at what she’s ACTUALLY said to realize this. I’ll have to see if I ca find the alleged “diatribe”; then compare it to Wayne’s version. Could be interesting.

    On the lead-in, we’re subjected to, ” I must be scaring the Obama socialist cabal to death.”

    Pff.

    The complete and utter lack of said cabal suggests the length to which this author is willing or likely to stretch the truth. He hasn’t broken up or nationalized the “too-big-to-fail” banks; they’ve only gotten bigger and more likely to fail.

    That ain’t socialism.

    He spent most of the last three years conceding the Rethuglicon premise that government needs cutting.

    That ain’t socialism either.

    The Dow was at 7949 when he took office. Now it’s over 15,000. Corporate profits are at an all-time high.

    If he’s a Socialist he REALLY sucks at it.

    Maybe he just needs more practice.
    A LOT more.

  • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

    Well I guess that the true truth is What hurts these who Stick up for OBAMA.

  • Moises G. Nazario

    If all these allegations thrown by Mr. Root is true, how could the U.S. Congress allow Obama’s “suppossed, CHARADE” to continue? Is our system of government so corrupt that all of the good hearts in congress are now all in the “payroll” of wealthy evil doers?

    • vicki

      Just think of all the dirt in those NSA records.

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