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QE3 To Infinity And Beyond

October 1, 2012 by  

QE3 To Infinity And Beyond

Federal Reserve Chairman Helicopter Ben Bernanke stepped up his war on Americans with his recent announcement of QE3 (quantitative easing) to infinity.

QE is Bernanke-speak for debasing the currency. It’s a time-honored practice for stealing the wealth of the middle and lower classes and transferring it to the politicians and banking cabal and supporting perpetual war.

According to the bearded wonder, the Fed is embarking on an open-ended program to buy mortgage-backed securities (MBS) from banks. The plan, he says, is to buy $40 billion in MBS each month ad infinitum, believing this will spur the moribund housing market into action and reduce unemployment. Whether he really believes what he says is open for debate. If he really does, he should be replaced for incompetence. No, let me restate: He should be replaced for incompetence regardless.

The Fed has “bought” more than $1 trillion worth of MBS since 2009, to no avail. Housing prices remain stagnant and unemployment remains above 8 percent (as it has been for almost four years). Yet we are told that all that is needed is more QE — this time, to infinity and beyond.

Few of us realize that most of our money is just a bunch of electronic blips. We talk about our paper money system, but paper money represents only a very small percentage. These electronic blips are what Bernanke is pushing into the reserve funds of banks in exchange for MBS.

Most of our monetary system is electronic; it is created and erased with great care. This means that daily we place our faith in ether, believing that we have money, savings and wealth.

Our electronic money, which we believe is wealth, makes the Dutch “Tulip Bubble” of the 1600s seem sound. People invested their life savings in tulip bulbs, thinking of tulip bulbs as wealth. At least the Dutch of that day could see and feel the tulip bulbs.

Not so our electronic money. We can’t see it, we can’t touch it, nor can we smell it. The government uses electronic money to steal without anyone being aware. They can and do transfer wealth from the American people by massive electronic creation of money. This is subtle depreciation and devaluation of the U.S. dollar. There need be no official announcement. There is no legislative approval. It is silent. It is a stealth system of theft. All modern financial instruments are electronic. Think!

Therefore, the paper money that you have in your pocket is gross deception. We look at it, and it looks the same as always. But it is moving toward worthlessness all the time; few people can see or understand that. This, my friends, is the work of the Federal Reserve, “our central bank.” The dollar has lost more than 95 percent of its purchasing power since the Fed was instituted in 1913.

Purchasing Power of the Dollar

Do you know that a national central bank came right out of Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto? Dr. Ron Paul knows it. That’s why he has spent years trying to get rid of it. He knows that there is no such thing as a central bank (Federal Reserve) and honest money at the same time. If others of the political class know it, they aren’t saying so — particularly not the two rubes auditioning for chief puppet to the banking interests and globalists.

“The problem with fiat currency systems is that they lack the self-correcting mechanisms of a gold standard; if prices increase too much, there is no market mechanism to bring them back down. The historical evidence over many centuries and around the world suggests that governments tend to follow fiscal and monetary policies that foster higher prices. In the absence of a gold standard, there is little to restrain them from printing fiat money to excess. All the fiat currencies of the world have lost value over the years, and none is immune from the rot of officially sponsored inflating.” (quoted from AIER.ORG)

Interest rates on savings are at or near zero. This is devastating to savers and those on fixed incomes. Artificially low loan interest rates encourage malinvestment. The influx of QE into the system creates bubbles and temporary, unsustainable spikes in the stock markets. Americans have been deluded into thinking a rising stock market signifies a healthy (or improving) economy. But this is not so when the rise is artificial, sparked by an influx of fake money.

Only some few buy gold and silver to exchange the electronic money system into physical wealth. Unfortunately, it is too few.

We hear every day how costs go up, especially college and university tuition. Well, fancy this reality. There is a website entitled www.PridedinGold.com, where we can see that presently those who pay in gold for one year at Yale University will find that it costs about the same as it did in 1900: 1 kilogram of gold.

Gold and silver are permanent money. Get as much as you can as soon as you can, and hold onto it. Thanks to QE3 to infinity, commodities are beginning to rise to infinity. This includes gold and silver.

All dollar assets are evaporating. Only gold, silver, land and commodities appreciate when paper money is collapsing. Paper money is the rot of our land; but politicians, bankers and government love it. It allows them to line their pockets and spread more welfare money to a deceived and dumbed down dependent class. With only one or two exceptions, the political class prefers to keep the present system because they benefit from it.

They create it and perpetuate it as long as they can at all costs, because it is a wealth-transfer system to the government from the middle class. But this time, we are treading where none have before trod.

Look to Greece and Spain to see where we are headed. We would be there already were it not for massive money printing to pay for food stamps and 99-week unemployment benefits. This keeps the people fed, content and distracted for a time. But Greece and Spain show what happens when the money collapses.

What I call the “Great Reset” is coming. Neglect to prepare at your own risk. It will be a tough time for many people.

But once we go through the fire, a system based on sound money and Constitutional principles will be established.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Vicki

    Understanding the devastating effect of QEx is trivial. All you have to remember is that the supply/demand equation affects EVERYTHING. Including whatever is used for money.

    More (fiat) money paper or electronic blips, less value to each piece of it. The only good news is that supply /demand affects everything. Including your wages. More dollars, same number of people doing a job, that job becomes worth more dollars.

    • GALT

      Ah, The great reset……..and the law of supply and demand, which is NOT a law, and
      which no one understands and which doesn’t work, except on a desert island with one
      person and two commodities…….add another person you get gobbledegook…….

      Now here is an interesting FACT: the entire sub prime mortgage market which is all
      those mortgages ( the actual debt instruments tied to “real estate” as in the
      “original loans “)………when added up comes to a grand total of 1.25 trillion dollars…………..( pre crash value )……..so unless you are “brain dead” something
      is very WRONG with the picture that is being painted for you………..

      Another interesting phenomenon is that you can profit from fear……….and the end of the
      world scenario’s………..but what you can NOT do, is profit from the “end of the world”.
      Fortunately, for most people………they have more pressing concerns, which means
      they have better or more pressing issues than to be bothered with either the main street
      B.S. or the fringe street, B.S…………so two things should be fairly obvious, first life goes on
      and second, it is to no one’s advantage to end the confidence game that is currently
      underway……..even though, the people who actually “caused” this trip to the edge of
      the abyss are sociopaths, psychopaths or both……..BTW this was neither the FED nor
      the “government”……….even though that is the common “belief”…….and while there is
      not a lot of intelligence involved……….and we are where we are because these institutions
      were in fact powerless to prevent what happened………they are the only means by
      which the end of the world scenario, does not happen.

      If you find this hard to believe……….let’s ask what you are being sold on the other
      side……….that chaos ( the END ) is coming……and that you can prosper from it???????

      I happened to read down a bit further, and noticed that “this move” by the FED will
      end with the FED, calling in all the loans and owning all the land……..good luck with
      that one………..the point of the “peonage game” which is far better than “slavery” is that
      it has to be managed properly………otherwise the “peons” can get uppity…….debt slavery
      only works if you have a means to collect and the ability to do so…….and that in
      this current reality is NOT a viable continuation…………..so while there is way to
      much funny money in the system ( in the form of meaningless debt instruments….
      and they are meaningless because they are NOT connected to anything real )
      this situation must be unwound………and there is only one possible way this can happen,
      that which is ( and was always ) imaginary…….must go back into the
      “thin air” from whence it was conjured.

      Now it is a bit tricky………..because there is another reality which is complicating this…
      and out here on “fringe st”………there does not seem to any connection to either
      of these realities……..and the normal rhetoric here serves no useful purpose……so
      in the end……….given enough butterflies, you might actually cause the storm, you
      all seem to be determined to grant credibility to…………after all it was fantasy which
      brought us here………the abyss is only a few more fantasies away.

      “To conquer, first DIVIDE!” ( and the HANG, separately!!!!! )

      • tony

        The law of Supply and Demand was Altered with the release of NSSM200 at the same time the dollar was delinked from the Constitutional Monetary Policy of a Commodities backed Currency .

      • FreedomFighter

        The Alinski plan includes the hyper-inflation of printing more money:

        control covering everything imaginable.”
        •Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
        •Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
        •Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
        •Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
        •Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.
        •Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
        •Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
        •Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.
        •Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
        •Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issues over a fifteen-year period.
        •Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
        •Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
        •Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

        These executive orders are a blueprint for the takeover by the government by White House fiat, by-passing Congress.

        sounds like the communist Alinsky plan…put everyone out of work, grow government, unsustainable entitlements, hyper inflate money…MARTIAL LAW AND TAKE OVER OF AMERICA.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • GALT

        Fantasy………you actually have to take CARE of slaves…..and they tend not to
        respond well to the condition……….THIS PLAN……….is working much better…….

        Encourage the belief that ‘economics’ is REAL, that success is determined by money,
        that any one can make it ( stealing and confidence games work best ) and that
        YOU are a self reliant, rugged individualist whose success is based on MERIT
        and that everyone else is a “parasite”………..result……..the con continues…..and
        if you haven’t WON yet……….then you are simply a future victim hoping that you
        won’t be while blaming the present victims………

        The ultimate strength of the confidence game……lies in the fact that the mark ( you )
        is too embarrassed to admit being taken…………or in the case of ideas, becomes
        invested in “game” to the extent they become a willing participant in their own demise.

      • vicki

        GALT says:
        “……..the law of supply and demand, which is NOT a law, and
        which no one understands and which doesn’t work, except on a desert island with one
        person and two commodities…….add another person you get gobbledegook…….”

        The law of supply and demand is a law in the same way that gravity is a law. You can deny it all you want, but like gravity it ALWAYS works. Oh and your example fails because the law does require a minimum of 2 people and 2 items.

      • vicki

        Actually 1 item is all that is required not 2. That would be a very low supply element. You could even argue that only 1 person is required as the low supply (1) combined with high demand (something that 1 person REALLY REALLY wants) could cause him/her to be very careful with how he/she treats it.

      • vicki

        tony says:
        “The law of Supply and Demand was Altered with the release of NSSM200 at the same time the dollar was delinked from the Constitutional Monetary Policy of a Commodities backed Currency .”

        That did not alter the law. That action provided an example of the law. Remember the law affects everything including whatever token is used for ‘money’.

        With respect to NSSM200 (I presume you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200
        when you reduce the population of people you reduce the demand for a bunch of things.

        • tony

          Vicki its their Plan because they think there are to many of us screwing up Earth , and they used the Flawed Free Trade policy to enact this consolidation and collapse of the Free Market Capital system that was the Blue Print of Kissingers http://cnsnews.com/node/75388 .
          what these CZARS all have in common is their environmental views of world Overpopulation harming Earth and the fact that they have now become in control of the money supply and allocation of it into the private sector in the USA and world central banking system is what is most worrisome to me because of this kind of analogy by these academics , listen to this guy he’s a lifelong colleague of Obama science CZAR Holdren , and I think they all share this guys points of view , http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/26/world-population-resources-paul-ehrlich

        • tony

          Vicki this is the driving influence behind Obama and his band of Marxist rebels hell bent on saving Earth from to many people . http://www.dieoff.org

        • tony

          Vicki its their Plan because they think there are to many of us screwing up Earth , and they used the Flawed Free Trade policy to enact this consolidation and collapse of the Free Market Capital system that was the Blue Print of Kissingers http://cnsnews.com/node/75388 .

        • tony

          what these CZARS all have in common is their environmental views of world Overpopulation harming Earth and the fact that they have now become in control of the money supply and allocation of it into the private sector in the USA and world central banking system is what is most worrisome to me because of this kind of analogy by these academics , listen to this guy he’s a lifelong colleague of Obama science CZAR Holdren , and I think they all share this guys points of view , http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/26/world-population-resources-paul-ehrlich

      • ACHILLESLIVES!

        “GALL”, If that is in fact your real name, aside from being “all over the place” with an indescernible message, I have to go with the most recurring point in your blathering-that the “fringe street”-(those actually paying attention) are delusional, that the Fed had NOTHING to do with all this-(absolute LIE-see greenspan, summer and rubin arguing for a DECADE to de-regulate the then regulated ‘derivatives’ market-floodgate of doom), after their impeached puppet clinton repealed Glass -Stegall-(on cue, on purpose and by design), you would SEEM to be suggesting that we all just sit back and all will be well at the hands of these globalist zionists-(see Hertzellian doctrine), and that any who argue aginst it are somehow wearing tin foil hats. YOU ARE A LIAR AND A FOOL’S PUPPET, as well as a dolt in Orthodox rags I bet. Next time keep your rambling bleating in your own fantasy driven mind, eh?

      • Tom T

        @Freedom fighter, yes this is the Aulinsky plan for taking over the government. Setting up an infrastructure (shadow government like DHS) and collapsing the main government into it via economic collapse. You have to have massive amounts of unemployed and hungry people that will run to the new government for help (about 47% or more…so far) the radicals learned this from FDR. The problem w/ Aulinsky however, is that it teaches how to deceive and manipulate the dumb and uninformed masses to get radicals elected but it teaches nothing about governing once you become elected. The Obama administration is proof of this failing.

      • Michael J.

        Galt,
        The butterfly’s wings have flapped…
        And the mother of all hurricanes is a comin…
        But don’t spend time haarping on who dunnitz…
        Just time to take shelter or get ye runnin…

      • GALT

        Sorry Vicki, the mathematical modeling breaks down with two people…….and that is because unlike the LAW of Gravity……..there is no substance to the law of supply and demand………there is no substance to the discipline of economics……it is a con, a fraud,
        a pretense………but let me see if I can jog your memory with a REAL scientific problem….
        the N body problem………which becomes unsolvable when N is greater than 2…..and this
        happens using the actual LAW of Gravity…….why does this happen……not enough information and too many assumptions required to reproduce a reliable outcome.

        If that is true of something REAL……..just imagine how foolish it is to believe that
        something which is totally imaginary to begin with can produce something that could
        even begin to CLAIM it has any sort of validity???????

        But we will try this again……..Exerpt from ECONNED…….a must read for anyone
        who would like to STOP believing in “fairy tales”.

        “In 1776, Adam Smith published The Wealth of Nations. In it he argued that the uncoordinated actions of large numbers of individuals, each acting out of self interest, sometimes produced , as if by “an invisible hand,”results that were beneficial to broader society. Smith also pointed out that self interested actions frequently led to injustice or even ruin. He fiercely criticized both how employers colluded with each other to keep wages low, as well as the ” savage injustice ” that European mercantilist interests had “commited with impunity” in colonies in Asia and the Americas.
        Smith’s ideas were cherry picked and turned into a simplistic ideology that now dominates university economics departments. This theory proclaims that the “invisible hand” ensures that economic interest will always lead to the best outcomes imaginable. It follows that any restrictions on the profit seeking activities of individuals and corporations interfere with this invisible hand, and therefor are “inefficient” and nonsensical.
        According to this line of thinking, individuals have perfect knowledge both of what they want and everything happening in the world at large,and so they pass there lives making intelligent decisions. Prices may change in ways that appear random, but this randomness follows predictable and unchanging rules and is never violently chaotic. It is therefore possible for corporations to use clever techniques to reduce and even eliminate the risks associated with their business. The result is a stable productive economy that represents the apex of civilization.
        This heartwarming picture airbrushes out nearly all of the real business world.”

        Book Description
        Publication Date: October 11, 2011
        Why are we in such a financial mess today? There are lots of proximate causes: over-leverage, global imbalances, bad financial technology that lead to widespread underestimation of risk.
        But these are all symptoms. Until we isolate and tackle fundamental causes, we will fail to extirpate the disease. ECONned is the first book to examine the unquestioned role of economists as policy-makers, and how they helped create an unmitigated economic disaster.
        Here, Yves Smith looks at how economists in key policy positions put doctrine before hard evidence, ignoring the deteriorating conditions and rising dangers that eventually led them, and us, off the cliff and into financial meltdown. Intelligently written for the layman, Smith takes us on a terrifying investigation of the financial realm over the last twenty-five years of misrepresentations, naive interpretations of economic conditions, rationalizations of bad outcomes, and rejection of clear signs of growing instability.

        In eConned, author Yves Smith reveals:

        –why the measures taken by the Obama Administration are mere palliatives and are unlikely to pave the way for a solid recovery

        –how economists have come to play a profoundly anti-democratic role in policy

        –how financial models and concepts that were discredited more than thirty years ago are still widely used by banks, regulators, and investors

        –how management and employees of major financial firms looted them, enriching themselves and leaving the mess to taxpayers

        –how financial deregulation enabled predatory behavior by Wall Street towards investors

        –how economics has no theory of financial systems, yet economists fearlessly prescribe how to manage them

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIQFPkH3ILI

      • Frank Kahn

        It always amazes me when you make a stupid remark about capitalism.

        I will agree that using the word law is inaccurate, it is more closely related to a rule of economics. So I always say the rule of supply and demand when describing capitalism.

        Capitalism only truly works in a free trade economy (which we dont have). But to say it can never work or that it can not exist is incorrect.

        To say that everything works exactly according to the rule of supply and demand ignores those things that are elastic (people will pay any price). For everything else, without interference by rules of government or intentional manipulation by groups, a product or service will seek its own level of equilibrium.

        There are many human created roadblocks to capitalism, greed being the biggest, that prevent its functioning properly. Ignorance of the true workings of capitalism (thinking you can regulate it to make it work better) is the next largest roadblock. The only regulation (law) that could possibly improve the working of capitalism is one that makes it illegal to interfere with it.

        That means no government regulations, no market manipulation by restricting the flow or by flooding the market with products and services, no union based collective bargaining (forcing market movement in regards to pay) and no stealing (forced payment of profit) from the producers or consumers of products and services.

        Now, considering human nature and the current social structure of our world, is this possible? Probably not but, if you could put these rules into place it would work great.

        Good luck doing it though since most people seem to always want more of everything and never think they have what they deserve.

        But still, the biggest complaint I have about you, and always will, is that you always try to chastise every other person on this site about their ignorance of what only you know to be the truth. You never say what your magnificent truths are which makes your statements worthless in content. If you know something that we are missing and dont tell us what it is then it will never truly exist for anyone but you.

        So whatever you have to say, it is worthless and will be ignored until and unless you find some way in your ego-maniacal mind to share some of your supposed facts to support your self described wisdom.

        I only responded to this post because you made an obviously stupid and unsupportable remark about something that, without any supporting information, you appear to know nothing about. I could just as easily, and with as much authority, say that you dont exist since I have never seen you or talked to you in person. That would of course be stupid since someone or something is making your posts.

        And I look forward to and encourage your participation in a discussion but only when and if you do it in a civilized manner, which does not include you saying that you know something without saying what it is or why you think that it is true.

      • Vicki

        GALT says:
        “Sorry Vicki, the mathematical modeling breaks down with two people…….and that is because unlike the LAW of Gravity……..there is no substance to the law of supply and demand………there is no substance to the discipline of economics……it is a con, a fraud,”

        This just tells me that your mathematical model is broken. The visible effect of supply/demand is, like gravity, around us all the time. Ask yourself for instance, what is the value of a stock on the stock market vs the dollar. It is the supply of dollars vs the supply of the stock vs the demand for dollars vs the demand for the stock. It is observable when instanced in a single transaction between a buyer and seller who consent to the trade.

        GALT: “….let me see if I can jog your memory with a REAL scientific problem….
        the N body problem………which becomes unsolvable when N is greater than 2…..and this
        happens using the actual LAW of Gravity…….why does this happen……not enough information and too many assumptions required to reproduce a reliable outcome.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-body_problem

        Amusingly you have just explained why government meddling in the private business affairs of people to try and “stabilize” the economy can NEVER work.

        So we will expect to see your future postings about government and economy be biased toward free market Capitalism and away from any sort of socialism/communism.

        Governments ONLY role in economics would be to keep the transactions honest. And maybe to coin honest money backed by gold and silver as required by the Constitution.

      • GALT

        for Frank……thanks for the concession that the word is one which has no definition
        ( and certainly none that would satisfy those who choose to “believe” that it would
        work “if only”……and then add the list of things that never have and never will exist and
        never have worked and never will…….)

        Not what you wanted to hear………? Now that is a SHOCK………but for you and most others it applies to almost everything you “believe” you know……

        Economics is B.S. in it’s totality…….capitalism is a form of economic’s……B.S, = B.S.

        All of which you have just confirmed and then contradicted………and I point this out
        with “all DUE respect”…….guess how much RESPECT you are due?

        Now, considering human nature and the current social structure of our world, is this possible? Probably not but, if you could put these rules into place it would work great.

        So you want RULES? Why? Why does that sound like “regulation”? Why does that not
        sound “free”? Why does “in place” sound like “government”?

        Why did the crash which gave you everything you claim would make capitalism work,
        bring the entire world “economy” to it’s knees……..oh that’s right “humans were involved”
        which strangely is true about economic’s itself…….everything works great, until you
        add people………but I am really sorry for saying “stupid” things about “capitalism”…..

        “This heartwarming picture airbrushes out nearly all of the real business world.”

        For frank, to preserve your state of “willfull ignorance” PLEASE DO NOT READ

        The Social Conquest of Earth
        Econned
        Economics Unmasked
        Debt The First 5000 Years
        Extreme Money
        Power, Inc.
        Guns, Germs and Steel
        Collapse

        For Vicki………What part of “economics is B.S.”……do you not get? You DO KNOW
        that socialism/communism are “economic theories”?

        BTW another “brilliant mind here” posted the phrase “honest money”……
        the concept of which would equate to a “real fairy tale”……

        Same goes for you too, Vicki…….PLEASE DO NOT READ any of those books.

        IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

        • Frank Kahn

          I do not need or Case for Legalizing Capitalism” by Kel Kelly. It will give you some idea just how stupid both you and the ignoramuses book you keep pushing really are.

          You are as worthless as you posts indicate, you have no knowledge about either economics or capitalism. You think some two bit hack who writes a book that has no fact in it that is based on reality is the GOD of economics.

          It is you who are caught in a “fantasy world of ignorance” blithly floating along wondering why the world (everyone but you and a couple other idiots) thinks something exists when the GOD of economics says it doesnt.

          I can give you a perfect example of pure capitalism that worked for many centuries all over the world.

          I can show you proof that capitalism works even now.

          I can have any experts book available to show you how stupid you are.

          It wont work though because you are incapable of learning anything that is outside your myopic self centered fantasy world.

          Everything in your last post was pure garbage, the word does have a definition and I did not say it didnt. I did not contradict myself anywhere in my post except in your delusional (reading comprehension devoid) mind. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU SCREAM AND PUSH THAT WORTHLESS EXCUSE FOR A BOOK IT WILL NEVER PROVE ANYTHING BASED ON REALITY. The fact that governments and bankers destroy the ability for capitalism to work properly does not prove it does not exist nor does it contradict what I said in my post. What you called a contradiction was an attempt to point out the oxymoronic law that would have to be made for a government involvement to work. Oxymoronic because it would be a rule making rules illegal with reference to capitalism.

          Barter (the original form of trading capital for services) was pure capitalism in its most effective state. That is correct using the definition of capitalism. If you dont like the word capitalism we can call it “ancient social transfer of goods and services system”. It was the only form of economic interaction available in the beginning, too bad for you it was capitalism and was successful.

          In my fantasy world big moronic, ignorant, egotistical blowhards dont exist. That means you dont exist in my world. How is that working for you? If it wasnt for my belief in God and the constitution I would say that you should be ostracized and never allowed to communicate with another person for the rest of your life. Such filth that oozes from your mind needs to be curtailed and some form of mental operation performed to allow you to operate in the normal world.

          Harsh words? It is basically the same thing you say about every other human on the planet. GO CLIMB INTO A HOLE WHERE LIFE IS AS RESTRICTED AND DISMAL AS YOUR MIND MAKES IT.

        • Frank Kahn

          The first line of my post was not correct, some of it was missing for some reason it should read.

          I dont need or want your respect, that would give credence to your delusions. Read “The Case for Legalizing Capitalism” by Kel Kelly.

      • GALT

        But frank….I gave you all the respect you were due? Quite generously I might add since
        your post is SELF CONTRADICTING……….I just used one line, simply reading the lines
        before that……..destroy’s your own argument…….and repeats mine…….which is the
        main problem with attempting to have a “discussion” with a functional illiterate…….

        I THEREFOR COMMAND YOU………DO NOT READ THOSE BOOKS!!!!!!!

        After all “confidence games” require “marks”……….capitalism ( which can not be
        defined, and can not involve people ) especially requires “marks”!!!!!!!

        Amazingly all the other words that are used…….share that characteristic……and
        also “never existed”……….seems to stretch the credibility of a definition of
        “something that WORKS”…………with all due respect……..like it or not.

        • Frank Kahn

          All your future posts will receive all the respect they deserve with the following response

          BLAH BLAH BLAH

      • GALT

        BTW the sequence is NOT “barter, money, credit”……….it is “credit, money, barter”,
        but why bother with the “evidence”…….

        To maintain your ignorance…….DO NOT READ…..Debt The First 5000 Years.

        • Frank Kahn

          WRONG AGAIN MORON

          BLAH BLAH BLAH

      • Vicki

        GALT writes:
        “For Vicki………What part of “economics is B.S.”……do you not get? You DO KNOW
        that socialism/communism are “economic theories”?”

        And yet you claim that economics is B.S. Funny that B.S. is what you get when you graduate from a government controlled university. Coincidence? Of course there are other options. B.A. for instance. B.S and B. A. being the most common.

      • GALT

        Thank you Frank……..you have finally achieved the most suitable means of efficient communication that completely demonstrates your intellectual ability, with only one
        further step to master…….not responding at all will save you the most time and embarrassment……..

        For Vicki……..”and yet”? You really didn’t write that…..seriously? One would think
        that with all the time you have logged in here………labeling as argument represents
        the pinnacle of intellectual achievement here…….with constant reminding of ‘doublespeak’
        by the “limited intellect” of most of the contributors……in between their “inciteful” posts
        hawking their wares……..or attempting to……….while feeding the mushrooms.

        Still it does give “made in the u.s.a” a whole NEW meaning……I wonder if that is
        what they mean by a “service economy”? Butlers, maids, cooks and chauffers are
        far more useful…….I wonder what Willard thinks?

        • Frank Kahn

          still wrong but keep trying

          BLAH BLAH BLAH

    • old hillbilly

      Simplistic but right on. Gold & silver are relatively fixed commodities & as such would spiral upward as productivity & population increase, thus the booms and busts of the gold rush era. If we had a famine & one carrot was left, well, would Soros starve! Would you offer your last bite to possess the other man’s gold. Really??? I give you gold, I eat. You carry the gold. I follow. You starve & die! I recover abandoned gold & sneak back to my hidden carrot patch & wait for another hungry dumb-a…

      Sound familiar? Dollars, gold, T-bills, national debt, if you don’t have the carrot patch, sold it, too lazy to plant, mortgaged it, whatever… life ain’t gonna be good.

      Solution – Enforce treason statutes… bottom ups – tops down… naked truth solve all.

      • don m

        Granny will be sleeping under the bus, not in a culvert. Fox news (6-23-12) gathered their wizards to help bereaved citizens accept the death of their pensions! One said private pensions were $135 billion underfunded. The public sector is $1 trillion unfunded. They intentionally ignored Social Security! Zero Fed & bank interest rates were mentioned, but “nothing” doesn’t matter!

        Excessively funded “unfunded plans”, begs criminal investigation into underlying government structures that punish productive investment returns, and rewards unaccountable consumption! Government officials deliberately devalue currency (inflation) to devalue loan repayment obligations. They allow themselves and global banks free use of the treasury. They allow executive and regulatory agencies to throw that money to the winds like trees shedding leaves in the fall! The wizards say, end citizen “entitlements” or face catastrophe! There is absolutely no shame, come-uppance, or penalty for looting public funds and misleading the public to cover up an Armageddon of criminal activity!

        Zero interest rates are dictatorial trademarks of Muslim Shari law and Marxism, wherein government bureaucracies make economic decisions and citizens obey or do without! Free capitalism rewards individual investment in productive economic infrastructure, wherein output is determined by citizens, not bureaucrats! Zero interest means the spoils of your thrift and labor, as well as your soul, belongs to government! Wanton deception, endless corruption of public money and wealth, killing babies, dividing races and people against one another, defying laws, giving citizen benefits to alien invaders, etc., represents government’s war against individual freedom under God, country, and Constitution!

        If one lays three annuities side by side, one earning 0%, another 5%, and another losing 5% to inflation you can see the US financial catastrophe at hand. Call it “whatever”, the message is identical! If $50,000 was an average wage, and you saved $637.50/mo. (15.3%) over 552 months (age 18 to 65) and interest earned is zero, you would have $351,900 on your 65th birthday, (without inflation)! If it earned 5% compounded monthly you would have $1,365,775 cash on your 65th birthday! If government creates 5% inflation with zero interest, the return is 5% negative, and your $351,900 investment shrinks to $137,734 at age 65.

        With 5% interest, your investment increases by $1,03,875, enough for $11,924/mo. for 13 years (3 times salary…9+ times $1235/mo SSI benefits); or $5,691/mo. perpetual interest to descendants FOREVER! Without interest you might get ½ pay ($2,256/mo) for 13 years. With 5% inflation and zero interest you lose $214,166 of your investment, and the $137,734 remainder only buys $625/mo. for 13years (15% of salary). Does anybody know what “unfunded liability means??? (It isn’t there!)

        Our politicians understand the math and choice between $1.4 million at retirement in a free society vs. being a dying broke communist! Politicians prefer “rose gardens”, trillion dollar deficits, quietly looting a half trillion from the treasury to buy illegal alien votes, and unlimited “gimmies” (windmills, palm dusting, toots, and carbon dioxide)! We need new senators! We need a president!

    • TexasRide

      Vicki, I think that it is very important for all Americans to understand the actions of the Federal Reserve Bank and its private owners! The Fed and its power over this country has never been talked about by politicians. The American people have never educated themselves about what it does and the dangerous power it yields over this country. Our government won’t tell us because it profits from the Fed and our stupidity! Most people think that “the Federal Reserve” is owned by our government.

      This article is absolutely correct in warning about these Fed owners and what they have been doing to our country. Americans must free themselves from the Fed, as soon as possible. They are our worst ENEMY and our government has given them total control over the printing presses and how much of our money they print. They can print as many dollars as they want, including how many dollars they want to print (steal) for themselves.

      The global elites want to rule the world and America is in their way. They will destroy us by making our money worthless. When the world stops accepting American Dollars as a legitimate currency we will all be beggars in the streets. Americans will be ready to accept whatever form of tyranny the one-worlders want to give us. You see, they profit from our demise. Yet, our government has given them total power over our country and the welfare of its citizens.

      These owners of the Fed Banks are the wealthiest people on the planet (No wonder they are rich they print themselves American Dollars whenever they want.) They have used their Federal Banks to steal the wealth from Americans for a hundred years. It is time to put a stop to this. We must OWN OUR CURRENCY and abolish the Fed! Nothing else is of greater importance..

      • vicki

        We understand that but to understand why and how the Fed is doing the damage you really need to understand supply/demand and its effect on everything including money.

        Btw isn’t the Fed about to cease to exist? 2013 is coming up fast. We should also audit the Fed an soon before it stops.

      • TexasRide

        Vicki, “Demand” for dollars won’t keep our economy in good shape, if dollars are not worth but 5% of their previous value. In fact, everything will demand more and more dollars to purchase as the dollar loses it value….

        The problem is that the Fed is printing too many dollars and it makes the demand for dollars increase. The more worthless the dollars become, the more demanded there is for dollars to buy essentials. If it keeps going it will take a truckload of money to buy a loaf of bread. In case of the Fed, high supply causes a greater demand….or eventually no demand at.

      • Vicki

        TexasRide says:
        October 1, 2012 at 12:23 pm

        Vicki, “Demand” for dollars won’t keep our economy in good shape, if dollars are not worth but 5% of their previous value. In fact, everything will demand more and more dollars to purchase as the dollar loses it value….

        Which is exactly the supply/demand equation. Many more dollars on the supply side and unchanged demand for a dollar on the demand side means the value of the dollar goes down.

        Example I have an ounce of gold. You have some dollars. Ben prints a bunch more dollars (supply of dollars goes up). Your desire for that ounce of gold has not changed. My desire for your dollar either has not changed but you have more of them so I increase the “price” of that ounce of gold so that it takes more of your dollars (that you have more of) to get that ounce of gold. Replace that ounce of gold with anything else you like.

        TexasRide: “The problem is that the Fed is printing too many dollars and it makes the demand for dollars increase.”

        It does not make the demand for dollars increase. There are more dollars out there so I the owner of the gold ask for more dollars for my ounce of gold because the gold is worth MORE to me than before when there were fewer dollars for me to ask.

        If the demand for dollars had actually increased then I would lower the “price” of my ounce of gold so that I could get some of the more valuable dollars.

        TexasRide: “The more worthless the dollars become, the more demanded there is for dollars to buy essentials.”

        I the seller of the essentials see that you have more dollars which now have less value cause you have more of them (each one has less value) but the value of my essentials has not changed as the supply of them (in this example) is fixed and the demand for them has not changed so I ask you for more of those pieces of paper we call dollars.

        TexasRide: “If it keeps going it will take a truckload of money to buy a loaf of bread. In case of the Fed, high supply causes a greater demand….or eventually no demand at.”

        I think I see the point you are trying to make. But you are using the wrong equation. The supply/demand equation I am referring to requires a minimum of 2 item sets. As in my examples above 1 ounce of gold in trade for xxx.

        I see from reviewing information on the net that Supply/demand is often taught as a single item set were price is in some currency. http://www.netmba.com/econ/micro/supply-demand/

        This is what I was taught in school about supply/demand as well. Unfortunately the teaching ignores the fact that there is a 2nd item. The thing used for money. I realized this while studying barter systems (systems where people claim to want to barter for goods/services instead of using money)

        First I realized that supply / demand was at work in the barter system I only had to replace “dollars” in the above example with some other set. Say ounce of gold vs ???ounces of silver where silver replaced dollar in that graph.

        2nd I realized that they were totally missing the point that barter is all. Even when money is involved. You are still trading one thing for another. Money is merely the method of making barter more efficient.

        Third and directly observable from 1 and 2 above supply/demand even affects money itself.

      • TexasRide

        Vicki, you don’t get it… The “supply and demand” theory doesn’t work with the Federal Reserve Bank.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com Gillysrooms from Australia

    What you say is right on the money, your Federal Reserve is just delaying the unevitable into future years while hoping some miracle happense before then.

    In the meantime I’d like to encourage your young college graduates to come pay a visit to Australia for a holiday and see if you might like to settle here permanently instead…not sure if our immigration will let white people come here any more but you might aswell try. This country needs more young and energetic entrepenuers in new business start ups in a whole new range of industries.

    If you come to melboune and your honest and not into illegal activities I might even offer you a room or a bed for a week in one of our gillysrooms. So hurry down under as beds are limited and the offer closes in 1st December 2012

    • Old Henry

      Well Gilly, that might be a good idea – as soon as your “guvment” repeals all those anti-gun ownership laws. Until then Australia is not a safe place to be.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com Gillysrooms from Australia

        Believe me Old Henry, its a lot safer than you could imagine except if you go to the outback wild west..where the dingos roam..lol And lots farmers have kegal rifles for pests..etc

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I do believe you are right, Old Henry. The point of “the new world order” is that it will cover the whole world! Australia is really no different than the U.S. They are becoming more socialistic as are we. I think that instead of trying to run away and find a “safe” place, we need to fight to take back our country! It won’t be possible until more Americans wake up to what is going on, but the day is coming! I’m afraid that it is too late to prevent our destruction though. They are too far into their plans. I believe that collapse is inevitable. The question remains, are we going to go obediently into the fema camps? Are we going to allow them to slaughter us? Who will we follow? How far will we fall before people realize that all of this is by design?!?

      • Elected4Life

        Amen Nancy in Nebraska, Amen!

      • Old Henry

        Nancy in NE:

        You ae on the money. You can run, but you cannot hide.

        Check out this article from last week in NWV.

        http://www.newswithviews.com/Wallace/andrew131.htm

        It begins to “splain” what needs to be done.

      • TexasRide

        Why run off to a country that has already given up their firearms and have no way to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. The only difference between a slave and a free-man is the ability to own weapons.

    • http://none Charlie

      Heathens , Semi heathens,,,
      Not to bother yoall much with the Bible,,,but,,, America needs to be taken back under some “”Law” or it will be Lawless as it is now… The Bible was the first Law book in America, about 100 years later comes the Constitution … Today, both these Law documents have been grossly polluted and / or set aside …
      What is Lawful money per The Bible ? Per the Constitution? , both say Silver, Gold by weight ,,,but,,,what saith the outlaw NGO, Federal Reserve ? The state god ,? ………..
      The big question is “Who is your God /god”??? only one good option , King Jesus,,,but,,,
      America today is serving the Satanic powers that be,,,facts are facts ,check out history and the Big History Book called The Bible… What can you do to be on the side of King Jesus ? Become a True Christian per Acts 2:38, and Pray into place in America The Kingdom of King Jesus Christ… That’s what King Jesus said to do at Matthew 6:9–13…
      OF course! read all the other words of King Jesus and Harmonize all Scripture to arrive at the Truth of the details of your daily Actions (faith)… Pray first then Act on “The Will of King Jesus” as written in His words…………….
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • KG

        Communism

        If
        anyone would take your coat, let him have your shirt as well. Give to
        him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.
        Matthew 5:40-42Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.1 Corinthians 10:24

        Nazism

        Now
        go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs
        to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and
        infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
        1 Samuel 15:3

        Imperialism

        For the LORD your God will bless you [Israel] as he has promised … You will rule over many nations, but none will rule over you.Deuteronomy 15:6When
        the LORD your God brings you into the land he swore to your fathers to
        give you — a land with large, flourishing cities that you did not
        build, houses filled with all kinds of good things that you did not
        provide, wells that you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves
        that you did not plant — then when you eat and are satisfied, be
        careful that you do not forget the LORD…
        Deuteronomy 6:10-12

        Monopolism

        Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.Exodus 34:14

        Humanism

        Man’s
        fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both; as
        one dies, so dies the other. All have the same spirit; man has no
        advantage over the animals. All go to the same place; all come from
        dust and to dust all return. Who knows if the spirit of man rises
        upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?
        Ecclesiastes 3:19-21

        Amoralism

        So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father [after they got him drunk and seduced him].Genesis 19:36And if [God] rescued Lot, a righteous(!)
        man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men, for that
        righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his
        righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard.
        2 Peter 2:7-8

        Racism

        The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it.”Exodus 12:43At
        the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. Every creditor
        shall cancel the loan he has made to his fellow Israelite. He shall not
        require payment from his fellow Israelite or brother, because the
        LORD’s time for canceling debts has been proclaimed. You may require
        payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your [Israelite] brother owes you.
        Deuteronomy 15:1-3

        Pantheism

        The
        heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his
        hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they
        display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is
        not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the
        ends of the world.
        Psalm 19:1-4

        Behaviorism

        The
        LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that
        every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the
        time. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his
        heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, “I will wipe out mankind,
        whom I have created, from the face of the earth — men and animals, and
        creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air — for I am
        grieved that I have made them.”
        Genesis 6:5-7

        Materialism

        The poor are shunned even by their neighbors, but the rich have many friends.Proverbs 14:20The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.Proverbs 22:7Wealth brings many friends, but a poor man’s friends desert him.Proverbs 19:4

        Promiscuity

        The LORD said to Hosea, “Go, take for yourself an adulterous wife and unfaithful children…”Hosea 1:2

        Pornography

        There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.Ezekiel 23:20

        Genocide

        In
        the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an
        inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely
        destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites
        and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you.
        Deuteronomy 20:16-17

        Slavery

        Your
        male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from
        them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary
        residents living among you and members of their clans born in your
        country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your
        children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life…
        Leviticus 25:44-46

        Abortion

        The
        people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled
        against their God. They will fall by the sword: their little ones will
        be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.
        Hosea 13:16You will destroy their descendants from the earth, their posterity from mankind.Psalm 21:10Even
        from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and
        speak lies. Like a slug melting away as it moves along, like a stillborn child, may they not see the sun.
        Psalm 58:3, 8E’phraim’s
        glory shall fly away like a bird — no birth, no pregnancy, no
        conception! Even if they bring up children, I will bereave them till
        none is left. Woe to them when I depart from them!
        Hosea 9:11-12, RSVGive
        them, O LORD — what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and
        dry breasts. E’phraim is stricken, their root is dried up, they shall
        bear no fruit. Even though they bring forth, I will slay their beloved
        children.
        Hosea 9:14, 16, RSV

        Euthanasia

        Hurriedly
        he called to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword and kill me, so they
        can’t say that a woman killed me.” So his servant ran him through, and
        he died.
        Judges 9:54

        Chauvinism

        Women
        should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak,
        but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire
        about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is
        disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
        1 Corinthians 14:34-35A
        woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a
        woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent. For
        Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived, it
        was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
        1 Timothy 2:11-14

        Infanticide

        Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us — he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks!Psalm 137:8-9The LORD commands: “kill without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children”Ezekiel 9:5-6

        Homosexuality

        And
        it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that
        the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan
        loved him as his own soul … Then Jonathan and David made a covenant,
        because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of
        the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments,
        even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
        1 Samuel 18:1, 3-4, KJVI
        grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your
        love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.
        2 Samuel 1:26

        Child Abuse

        If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.Leviticus 20:9If
        a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father
        and mother, and will not listen to them when they discipline him, they
        shall seize him and bring him before the elders. Then they shall say to
        the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not
        obey us. He is immoral and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town
        shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All
        Israel will hear of it and be AFRAID.
        Deuteronomy 21:18-21He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.Proverbs 13:24Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.Proverbs 20:30Do
        not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod,
        he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.
        Proverbs 23:13-14Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.Proverbs 22:15

        Drug Culture

        Give
        beer to those who are perishing and wine to those who are in anguish;
        let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no
        more.
        Proverbs 31:6-7Then the LORD awoke as from sleep, as a man wakes from the stupor of wine.Psalm 78:65This
        is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk
        and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send
        among you… But if they refuse to take the cup from your hand and drink,
        tell them, “This is what the LORD Almighty says: You must drink it!”
        Jeremiah 25:27-28

        love

        Have you killed your unruly children yet?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        We hope and pray, KG, that someday you will understand the concept of “Context” and begin to apply it. Until then, we have no choice but to suffer your endless screeds !

      • http://none Charlie

        KG,,,
        Thanks for all the good Scriptures ,,, but,,, you left out “””Christianity”””… Also ,,,you failed to read The Bible and apply the Bible equation for “Truth” , as found at Psalm 119:160…
        Now that you have learned to use a Concordance why don’t you learn how and why to accomplish Acts 2:38 ????????????? Meanwhile,,,,,,,,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • Michael J.

    I don’t believe “The Great Reset” you speak of is anything worth looking forward too. There will be a colapse brought about by a false flag contengency of their choosing. A period of darkness will ensue, we will be without telephone, internet or electrical power grid. No Wal Mart, Walgreens or Target. Under the cover of this darkness will commence The Great Culling. Those not prepared will either starve or riot and loot the goods of those who did prepare. DHS will offer food and refuge in the many Fema camps they just happen to have established in the nick of time. Upon arrival, people/cattle will be caterogized and proccessed as our elite masters see fit.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Sounds like a great movie plot. Do you have any REAL facts to support your contentions, or is this more internet B.S.?

      • DaveH

        No. He’s just basing it on history:
        The Holodomor.
        The Holocaust.
        The Great Purge.
        The Great Leap Forward.

    • Kate8

      Michael J. – Check out the link I posted further down:

      http://www.youtube.com/user/Marygreeley1954

      Obama and the rest of DC, and ALL major world leaders, have cancelled their schedules for the month of October, according to this clip. They show Obama’s posted schedule, and news clips affirming this. Easily checked out.

      They seem to be up to something. Can’t say we haven’t been warned..

      • Kate8

        Michael – I also find this curious:

        http://www.youtube.com/user/Marygreeley1954

        I’ve read articles about unreported nuclear incidents occuring in numerous facilities in America. Add this to Japan… Is this how they plan to raze America?

      • Kate8

        Sorry. For some reason the article didn’t pick up.

        http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        We have talked about this in the past, Kate8. That once something major is planned the hint to this will be a massive wave of cancellations in meetings & trips by the elite. If this is true…and I’m waiting to see how today effects these itineraries’ after the weekend and see if it’s all updated…then if this is all true we need to be vigilant. Spread the word NOW to people to look for the coming false flag attack. Remember, the news media is in their pocket. Look to outside sources for the truth & don’t believe everything you hear. Get your news from multiple sources to triangulate the truth.

        God Bless & keep your eyes open…now so more than ever before.

      • Kate8

        BrotherPatriot – I have a wonderful fantasy.

        The elite are all drinking champaigne in their bunkers, laughing at all of us out here, and the white hat military sets off #$%&*, blocking off all entrances and exits.

        I can only imagine the expressions on their arrogant faces when they realize that they are sealed in. FOREVER. Delicious.

        May the Spirit of Freedom and Justice prevail. May the evil elite be no more.

        Shalom.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        LoL..kate8. It’s always nice to dream…& sometimes they do come true, huh…

        I’m just tired of the lies that we as a society have been digesting now for so long. Lies fester in secrecy & America can no longer afford to have a secret society controlling her. We either break their yoke of bondage or we consign our children & their children’s children to slavery. I see it no other way.

        That movie Hunger Games made a chill go up my spine as I watched it. In the end…the elites still had control & 1984 was very much present. It was not a happy ending and I’m hoping perhaps if there are sequal’s (heard there would be) that there would be a happier ending where the people find their liberty & freedom again.

        Sooo…that’s how it goes right…didn’t Alexander Tytler say it best in his Lifecycles of Civilizations?

        1. from bondage to spiritual faith;

        2. from spiritual faith to great courage;

        3. from courage to liberty;

        4. from liberty to abundance;

        5. from abundance to complacency;

        6. from complacency to apathy;

        7. from apathy to dependence;

        8. from dependence back into bondage…

        Perhaps one day we wont forget our History & be doomed to repeat it. This can only happen if a society stays aware, vigilant, self regulates & stay’s armed. A free market & and a armed populace self regulates.

        Oh…one last thing…what about monopolies? Doesn’t America have laws against these? However what I’m seeing in my own city in regards to internet service is a growing monopoly. One company is buying out all the competition. Very few choices now are available. A continued disregard for the laws at virtually every level.

        Keep educating and spreading the word my brothers & sisters.

        God Bless.

      • Kate8

        BrotherPatriot – I always thought there were laws against monopolies, too. Used to be. But since the corporatist cabals have bought our government, they have no regard for our laws. They own it all. And when we have no choices, they control it all. And us, too.

        It’s time.

    • Michael J.

      kate8,
      There is a rich history of surprises that occur in October, this one may be unprecedented.
      Israel is about to start manufacturing glass in the Mullahs back yard
      with the support of The Rothschild… ah… I mean The United States Military. It seems as though Barry would rather start WW3 than face Romney in a debate.

      • Kate8

        Michael – Barry is such a narcissistic sociopath that he’s willing to do anything, rub out anyone, to stay in office. I don’t think there are any limits to what he’s willing to do.

  • cawmun cents

    More identity theft from the Fed.
    Pretty soon you will look like the rest of the world and being American wont make you unique in any way……by then you may know why you are now teading water in an endless sea of male bovine scat.But its doubtful.
    Cheers!
    -CC.

  • Old Henry

    Maybe it’s just me, but it has occurred to me that with the Fed buying up MBS, which as I understand it are the mortgages of Americans, what happens when they – the private owners of the Fed – decide to call the loans? They will own a large chunk of American realestae.

    They can also do the same thing with the U.S. bonds they have been buying buy the trillions of dollars.

    This could be some bankrupcy. The Rothechilds (the Fed) and their ilk will own (if you switch a couple of letters it spells won)this country almost lock, stock and barrel.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      My thoughts run along the same lines. All of it is by design. They won’t stop until they own everything and everyone. The thing to keep in mind is that they (the fed/bankers) aren’t really “buying” the mortgages. They are STEALING them! All they have to do is push a button on a computer and voila! They own your house and your land. When they decide to take everybody’s houses they will just lay you off or put you out of business! What a plan!!! Like taking candy from a baby. Most will never see it coming.

      • Old Henry

        Nancy, I am glad to see I am not alone in those thoughts as I have never seen anyone express the idea.

        Oh well, got my American Idol. Got my Dancing wit da Stars. Got my NFL. Got my Monday Night Football….

        Enjoy ‘em now me bucko. Ya ain’t gonna have ‘em in the FEMA Camp.

        Remember Nancy, as the old saying goes:
        You are not paranoid if people REALLY are out to get you.

      • Steve E

        Henry, I believe they will have TV’s to show the NFL games in the FEMA camps because, as the Roman leaders use to say, “Give them bread and circus” to keep the masses happy.

      • Kate8

        Old H – I called this years ago, during the housing bubble. It seemed obvious that it was for a reason, as it was just plain bad business to knowingly give loans to people with no ID and inadequate income.

        This is how the elite plan to own everything. This is how they plan to get us off the land and into egg-crate housing, 150 – 200 sq ft cubicles. It’s all part of UN Agenda 21, also called Sustainable Housing, Sustainable Growth, Smart Growth, and numerous other nice sounding names in order to deceive.

        This is not a thing of the future. These dense housing buildings are already under construction. They are built around railways (note the bills for building a new highspeed rail system in many states), and the city occupants will not be allowed to venture out of the city limits. All rural areas are designated wilderness and will be off-limits to all but the privileged elite.

        The population will have no access to land, power, food or water, except what is provided for us by the controllers. It will be severely limited, and subject to being withheld if they don’t like our thinking.

        This is not some science fiction story. This is underway right now, and has been being put in place for at least the last 20 years. If you know what to look for, you will see signs of it in your own towns. Buildings and improvements, including things like trails, walkways, roundabouts, etc.

        This is being promoted now by local governments and NGOs. Unless we rise up en masse, and SOON, we will find ourselves homeless and begging for assistance. This is the plan. Homeless, hungry people cannot fight back, and will accept anything for the survival of their families.

        I encourage everyone to check out UN Agenda 21. This is not a partisan issue. There is even a movement called Democrats Against Agenda 21, founded by Rosa Koire, for you scoffing liberals. I’d advise you check it out, because you won’t like this life any more than the rest of us. At least, I would hope not.

        Obama is solidly behind Agenda 21. So is Romney. So are ALL OF THEM, with very few exceptions. These weasels know which side their bread is buttered on.

        If anyone needs links, I can provide them. I assume most of you know how to search.

        This is critical. Do not delay.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        I concure, Kate8…and good job. All we can do is try & provide the information to help people see what’s happening. Your efforts are & have been valiant in this.

        People…take notice. Our enemies have excellerated their plans and something wicked this way comes. Please prepare, do not accept disarmament, the RFID chip, or the push to put the masses into the FEMA camps. (I know how that all sounds…but seriously, just look around you. The evidence is there.)

        God Bless.

      • Vicki

        There is the plan the elite have for the upper middle class of their new world.

        http://www.neatorama.com/2011/05/09/ultra-compact-home/

      • Vicki
      • Vicki

        For the more affluent we have:

        http://www.thetinylife.com/tag/micro-house/

      • Vicki

        And for the middle class we have

        http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/eco-tourism/photos/10-of-the-smallest-homes-in-the-world/a-truly-eco-abode

        Note this link will show some homes only suitable for the rich and famous so don’t get too excited.

    • TexasRide

      The majority of our National debt is owned by The Fed, NOT China, as we keep hearing from the government.

      The Fed decides how much money they print and we must BUY our dollars from them!
      We have no accounting of such transactions. The Fed just tells us that we owe them and it is an outrageous amount of debt.

    • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

      That’s what big money did in 08 ! Grouping all the risk together, to form Security’s,
      (fraudulent ones) That S&P came in and rated AAA, and sold to long term investors like Retirement funds, Then they bought insurance against failure, (which they knew they would fail) they took the Ins.policy’s and sold them in the Deriv.Market many multiple times.
      When this all blew up they were quick to blame homeowner’s, and started the fraudulent foreclosers. (robo signing). So they have already took ownership of much of our property.

      Freedomfighter: I’m confused with your list. With your alinski comment ,it seems like you are saying this is all under the current President ! But one of the order’s speaks of putting all the orders in effect from the last 15 years. So it isn’t just this President !

      Don M: You say zero interest is some kind of Muslim plot. But it was Ronald Reagan in the 80s that had our interest on savings lowered to a point that it barely kept up with Inflation (if that). He did this to promote the average American to put that savings money into the economy. I wouldn’t think of President Reagan as some muslim plant !

  • tony

    I apologize for the lengthy post but it takes the whole enchilada to see what IMO is Going on .
    Heres what got my attention once I researched the backgrounds of the CZARs and their ANTI growth across the board policies, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2919893/posts
    , its a wonder we have not lost the Capital economic system by rejection of the dollar as world trade currency by the foreign suppliers we are now dependent on for a vital parts supplies we have out sourced our industrial base manufacturing too over these last 20 plus years of a failed trade Policy IMO . But when I further researched the concept of a failed trade Policy this story came to light and this Science CZAR is kinda devious in his analogy of the Trade Policies Purposes here don’t you think ? http://cnsnews.com/node/75388 .
    But what these CZARS all have in common is their environmental views of world Overpopulation harming Earth and the fact that they have now become in control of the money supply and allocation of it into the private sector in the USA and world central banking system is what is most worrisome to me because of this kind of analogy by these academics , listen to this guy he’s a lifelong colleague of Obama science CZAR Holdren , and I think they all share this guys points of view , http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/26/world-population-resources-paul-ehrlich

    Debt is the Achilles’ Heel to Economic Capitalism and the way the Obama Administration is using it to finance operations leveraging the Debt against asset fundamentals in foreign security relations in oil asset countries to maintain petrol dollar advantages even with major resistance in these regions willingness to want to continue using the dollar tells me that these OPEC nations as well as the BRIC nations are only doing this because they know that the DEBT will be the Down fall of the USA Capital system ending the dominance the dollar has had since WW2 over the International Market that developed these foreign nations self reliance with our out sourced industrial tech advanced manufacturing of parts supplies and systems .
    This leaves us vulnerable to Currency War resistance and supply shortages and crushing Inflation to the capital system , but when you consider the fact that the Environmentalist Organization heads who are also in NGO and Governmental agency positions along with the CZARS who are drafting Policies , this “ Fits “ right into their Ideological views to save Earth from the destruction capitalism promotes .
    Problem is with all means to produce Central Controlled by Political factions the politics becomes the motivation of production and that as history shows is a failed system . It is too bad the Pendulum seems to always swing violently one way or the other with no happy medium in societal affairs .

    These links to stories are fascinating as to the conflicting views of the Dollar as Trade currency , http://tinyurl.com/928o5fq
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/285737-the-rise-of-financial-terrorism-part-I

    And here in this story it could be assumed that the OPEC nations and our Administration and Federal Reserve could have made agreements in Zero Interest policies that started the ball rolling in the LIBOR rate manipulation so the Petrol Dollar would be continued to be allowed as OPEC Pricing of their Oil ??? But as the Obama Administration continues to support NATO in Overturning nations in the Middle East and the power vacuum is restored with Anti USA Leaders like from the Muslim Brotherhood the Rejection of the dollar by OPEC as Petrol Dollar pricing the oil and keeping these OPEC investors buying US Treasuries becomes less and less a sustainable advantage to USA continuing to have access to International Oil markets opening up the threat of Hyper Inflation across the economy .

    U.S. Interest in Shariah Finance Opens Dangerous Doors, Critics Say

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,451416,00.html#ixzz26Aa5c1ew

    Are we Under Financial Siege and being Bled dry of our asset leverage with the Buildup of DEBT because of the desire of some to continue to maintain the dollar as International currency advantage and by others who see this as the demise of a dollar that they see as a Environmental Cancer to Earth ???
    Shariah Finance Watch Has a List of Shariah Compliant Banks
    http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2011/02/shariah-finance-watch-has-list-of.html

    The Federal Reserve Like a Hostage is being Forced to Do QE Spending because they want to Keep the Dollar as Petrol Trade Currency and this is the reason why we have a ZERO Interest Monetary Policy and this has all Private Capital Formation Shut Down with ZERO Interest Policy there is NO private capital investment in Fixed Income that can be leveraged in the Private financial markets to lend to Growth Investments !!!
    http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_21_1/tsc_21_1_editors_shariah.shtml
    Are OPEC Investors that Hold Treasuries in a Position to cause this Flash Crash Scenario if we do not continue to comply with their Shariah Finance rules of ZERO interest policies that’s causing the Debt Financing by the Federal Reserve to keep the dollar as Petrol dollar trade currency till the day the Capital System defaults ??? Treasury flash crash could become reality
    http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/10/investing/treasuries-flash-crash/index.html

    And Look how this is harming the equity of the USA and Europe as well as the Society and Communities pillaging the self reliance of a people …. SPIRE LAW GROUP, LLP’S LANDMARK LAWSUIT ON INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST AND DRUG CARTEL MONEY IN THE NATION’S MORTGAGE SYSTEM, NOW FINDS CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT IN NEWLY ISSUED SENATE SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT
    http://spire-law.com/spire-law-group-llps-landmark-lawsuit-on-international-terrorist-and-drug-cartel-money-in-the-nations-mortgage-system-now-finds-congressional-support-in-newly-issued-senate-subcomm/

    Landmark Lawsuit by US Home Owners Implicates Obama and Big Banks in Massive Global Laundering Scheme
    http://wakeup-world.com/2012/05/05/landmark-lawsuit-by-us-home-owners-implicates-obama-and-big-banks-in-massive-global-laundering-scheme/
    Home Owners Across the Nation Sue All Bank Servicers and Their Offshore Havens; Spire Law Officially Announces Filing of Landmark Lawsuit
    http://spire-law.com/home-owners-across-the-nation-sue-all-bank-servicers-and-their-offshore-havens-spire-law-officially-announces-filing-of-landmark-lawsuit-2/
    LIBOR Rate-Fixing Scandal Sets Off Investigations, Lawsuits Against Big Banks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYOzFwysdLg
    This Report by Charlie Gasparino brings up more questions on the topic of “ Where is the Main Stream Media “ on holding these Obama Administration Officials accountable ??
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/what_did_tim_know_NQ113lKVCrJPZHUhVCVVfM

    We are facing a different kind of Threat now with the US Debt and lack of economic growth to deal with the debt , and its going to cause us to lose our trade currency status and massive inflation will become our demise on Imported products that we have NO Manufacturing base left to build if these products inflate to the point of destabilizing our free markets causing a nationalization to happen . Check out whats going on now in Europe and this soon will be what takes over our markets as well if we do not restructure the tax code and Spark the Supply-side markets to Explode with Growth and retool our Industrial manufacturing base again !!! Who is Buying these Euro Bonds REALLY ????? I bet China is and doing it with a Backed Yuan Bond Market . This divides the USA and Europe away from Dollar Transactions and the beginning of the End of the Dollar as world Trade currency is in the final stages.
    http://gainspainscapital.com/2012/09/05/the-next-round-of-the-eu-implosion-is-at-our-doorstep/
    This Link talks about how Chinese Gold Bonds can integrate with international markets and these investments be the foundation for that Nations Trade in Chinese currency …
    Make Way for China Gold Buying Frenzy
    http://dailyreckoning.com/make-way-for-china-gold-buying-frenzy/
    And heres the Proof in this Next Link , they will divide the USA and the Dollar away from Europe , and this be the end of the Dollar trade Currency advantage that’s gave the USA its Cheaper imported goods , things are about to get a whole lot higher priced !!!!!
    EUROPEAN OPENING NEWS INCLUDING: Chinese premier Wen said that China is willing to invest in the European bond market
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2012-08/30/content_15720761.htm

    China Opens Biggest Bond Market to More Overseas Investors
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-30/china-opens-biggest-bond-market-to-more-international-investors.html

    CHINA MONEY-Bonds set to become China’s new lever for managing money supply
    http://www.xe.com/news/2012-08-27%2005:01:00.0/2886489.htm

    Has The Perfect Moment To Kill The Dollar Arrived?
    http://www.alt-market.com/articles/954-has-the-perfect-moment-to-kill-the-dollar-arrived
    Isn’t this a Challenge that the American People can suit up and make a difference at ?? I mean shouldn’t we be restructuring the Tax code to drive Innovative Ideas that can deal with this World Crisis ?? Where has Obama been on this issue ?? http://occupycorporatism.com/coming-food-crisis-play-into-global-elites-demand-for-population-stabilization/

  • tony

    I apologize for the lengthy post but it takes the whole enchilada to see what IMO is Going on .
    Heres what got my attention once I researched the backgrounds of the CZARs and their ANTI growth across the board policies, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2919893/posts
    , its a wonder we have not lost the Capital economic system by rejection of the dollar as world trade currency by the foreign suppliers we are now dependent on for a vital parts supplies we have out sourced our industrial base manufacturing too over these last 20 plus years of a failed trade Policy IMO . But when I further researched the concept of a failed trade Policy this story came to light and this Science CZAR is kinda devious in his analogy of the Trade Policies Purposes here don’t you think ? http://cnsnews.com/node/75388 .
    But what these CZARS all have in common is their environmental views of world Overpopulation harming Earth and the fact that they have now become in control of the money supply and allocation of it into the private sector in the USA and world central banking system is what is most worrisome to me because of this kind of analogy by these academics , listen to this guy he’s a lifelong colleague of Obama science CZAR Holdren , and I think they all share this guys points of view , http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/26/world-population-resources-paul-ehrlich

    Debt is the Achilles’ Heel to Economic Capitalism and the way the Obama Administration is using it to finance operations leveraging the Debt against asset fundamentals in foreign security relations in oil asset countries to maintain petrol dollar advantages even with major resistance in these regions willingness to want to continue using the dollar tells me that these OPEC nations as well as the BRIC nations are only doing this because they know that the DEBT will be the Down fall of the USA Capital system ending the dominance the dollar has had since WW2 over the International Market that developed these foreign nations self reliance with our out sourced industrial tech advanced manufacturing of parts supplies and systems .
    This leaves us vulnerable to Currency War resistance and supply shortages and crushing Inflation to the capital system , but when you consider the fact that the Environmentalist Organization heads who are also in NGO and Governmental agency positions along with the CZARS who are drafting Policies , this “ Fits “ right into their Ideological views to save Earth from the destruction capitalism promotes .
    Problem is with all means to produce Central Controlled by Political factions the politics becomes the motivation of production and that as history shows is a failed system . It is too bad the Pendulum seems to always swing violently one way or the other with no happy medium in societal affairs .

    These links to stories are fascinating as to the conflicting views of the Dollar as Trade currency , http://tinyurl.com/928o5fq
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/285737-the-rise-of-financial-terrorism-part-I

    And here in this story it could be assumed that the OPEC nations and our Administration and Federal Reserve could have made agreements in Zero Interest policies that started the ball rolling in the LIBOR rate manipulation so the Petrol Dollar would be continued to be allowed as OPEC Pricing of their Oil ??? But as the Obama Administration continues to support NATO in Overturning nations in the Middle East and the power vacuum is restored with Anti USA Leaders like from the Muslim Brotherhood the Rejection of the dollar by OPEC as Petrol Dollar pricing the oil and keeping these OPEC investors buying US Treasuries becomes less and less a sustainable advantage to USA continuing to have access to International Oil markets opening up the threat of Hyper Inflation across the economy .

    U.S. Interest in Shariah Finance Opens Dangerous Doors, Critics Say

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,451416,00.html#ixzz26Aa5c1ew

  • Michael J.

    QE3/infinity, is the act of eliminating private personel property ownership by purchasing distressed mortgages with money created out of thin air, for which the tax paying public are made liable to repay with interest.

    To get to the point where this would be publicly acceptable/plausible, you must first create a real estate bubble by holding banks at near gun point to extend loans to those who can not possiblely satisfy loan repayment. The resulting lack of real estate inventory makes prices soar. Despite warnings of emminate colapse, you profess that all is hunky-dorry (Thanks Bwarnie), as you prop-up Fannie and Freddie with whatever it takes to keep the dam from bursting until the exact moment when it will have the most damaging effect on the Republican Party, without the slightest concern of public loss of wealth.

    Now, four years hence, as real estate has bottomed out, the end game comes within sight.

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”

    Thomas Jefferson

    • GALT

      First, you misstate what QE3 is……….but just for fun, here is another problem you
      can explain………the entire amount of sub prime mortgages that were written and supposedly were responsible for the CRASH…….was a grand total of

      1.25 trillion dollars

      Our problem is a bit beyond that number……but you go right ahead and do the math
      and feel free to explain what role the Fed or the government played in turning that
      rather paltry sum……..into a potential collapse of the world financial system……..?

      Hint: Can you say “free market, unregulated, capitalism”? How about “invisible hand”?

  • http://yahoo camdenme2

    Bernanke is a crimminal !! Should be arrested ! Heis protecting Presbo Kenya while destroying the wealth of our great nation !!!

  • Jibbs

    We have nobody to blame but ourselves, the American people did not pay attention to what our leaders were doing, and now the government is leading us all to the slaughter house.

    • tony

      I apologize for the double posting . I didn’t think it was posting so I kept trying to re post in separate posts and so we have a mess sorry .

      • GALT

        Actually, if you attempted to re-post the SAME post…..you would have gotten a message
        saying……”you already said that”………..but each of your posts is slightly different……
        which “created” the mess……….

      • GALT

        You also replied to yourself…..which can’t be done if a post hasn’t appeared…..
        and posts with more than one link are “flagged” for moderation…….which is the message
        you DID get…….and ignored instead of waiting……

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      So far, every society that was formed screwed up by not paying attention to what their employees in their goverment was doing until it’s to late. We’re no exception. We opted for the bondage associated with immoral and amoral freedom instead of sticking to moral freedom. This time we had an out with Ron Paul but once again we saw two straws called dreamers and liars while we were drowning and ignored the helicopter that was there to save us.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Agreed…Ron Paul is the only choice that true American’s have. If you are educated to what is/has been going on now for quite some time…it’s very clear that the only man who has stuck to the Constitution is indeed, Ron Paul. His voting history speaks for itself.

        By picking anyone else…your getting icecream. It doesn’t matter what flavor you choose…you are still getting icecream. The icecream all serve the same Agenda, the New World Order.

        We need to have a statesman in office. One who will serve the people instead of the banking elites. It’s just to bad that even if 100% of American’s voted for him or someone like him…we still wouldn’t get that person for the presidentcy. The common vote doesn’t matter but the illusion that it does keeps people side tracked. The vote is rigged at the Electorial College level. How sooo very convienyant that they have it set up this way…dontcha think? It prevents the people from voting in a Constitutionalist such as Ron Paul.

        It’s time to make some serious common sense changes. Now with the communication level that we have…we no longer need the electorial college, nor so many state & federal representatives, nor so many unnessary federal departments. Let’s get the government out of our schools & eliminate the unlawful federal reserve and take back our money supply. These common sense ideas would be just a start aside from nullifying everything that the inelligable sitting president has done. Prosecute these criminals before they trigger the great culling that is coming.

        Geeshes people…let’s take our country back and put people into positions of power that actually serve the Constitution instead of just paying lip service to it…do your research into who these people are & who they rub shoulders with. It all adds up like math. Do your homework!

        God Bless.

      • GALT

        What do his “pork requests” on behalf of his constituents say?

        Or his failure to inform you of the following?

        http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

        Given the ignorance…….the term “constitutionalist” is a JOKE!!!!!!!

      • Kate8

        BrotherPatriot (and all patriots) – This is very curious. Obama and all world leaders have cancelled all engagements for the month of October.

        What’s going on? Are they escaping into their bunkers?

        http://www.youtube.com/user/Marygreeley1954

        • RichE

          They’re de bate.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Yes, Kate8…I saw your post above & it raised the hair on my head immediately. I made a reply above before seeing this one here. Keep up the good work…its up to people like us to at least present the information…and bring up the awareness level. This information that you bring to the table is very curious indeed & lines up with previous conversations we have had in the past.

        Keep your family close if able. Stock up on water & such…prep. Don’t freak out…just be aware people.

        It is my honest opinion from years of research that America has been infiltrated from within. We are in a “silent war”. If you cant see that by now then by the time YOU do it will be to late. Many of us who are open minded enough & that can do basic math can see that there is something very wrong with our country. We need to fire all those attached to secret societies, the UN, the Trilatteral Commission, the CFR & bring in people (most likely with military service & public service) who believe that the highest law in the land is the Constitution. We need to conduct unbiased investigations & prosecute these criminals for the massive list of crimes against humanity.

        Until then…these people will continue to take our rights & freedoms away it seems until they attain their goal…a one world government. They are very close to attaining it I think. Getting away with 9/11 was like a major checkpoint for them…as those of you who accept the “official” story show what sheeples we really are as a society as a whole. Ask questions…do your research and perhaps even watch the tv series “Jericho” to have an idea how people will react when the grid goes down. It’s a very good series for some basic education.

        Oh, and on a side note it is my understanding that the Federal Reserve charter (IT) that came into effect in 1913 had a 20 year charter as the previous 2 central banks that preceeded it did. However, in 1927 IT was changed to be indefinite unless congress revokes IT or until forfeiture of franchise for violation of law. So They learned from the previous two before & leashed America indefinitely. Seriously, people…how did our grandparents & parents allow this to happen? Common sense tells us that this environment is RIPE for abuse & corruption. Duhhh…

        Damnit…I’m sooo MAD at what has happened to America. I love her. I believe in her. The America I believe in exists because people like me and so many others who post on this site exist. Our existance is a direct threat to the NWO. If you believe in the same kind of America that we do…then you also are a direct threat.

        Think about it…

        God Bless America and all her Patriots. I believe our mettle is about to be tested.

      • Old Henry

        Kate:

        That is / was a very interesting link to YouTube. I wonder if anyone is keeping “tabs” on the Bush clan.

        Adios, in advance.

      • Kate8

        Just to offer another possible scenario, there are factions in our guv/military who are working feverishly with certain others to foil the nefarious plans of the NWO against America. They are well aware that the elite are in a frenzy to complete their plans for wiping us out, and are on guard, and have asked that we all be on guard, too.

        It is rumored that plans are in the works to take down the usurping corporate government which has a stranglehold on America. Arrests, and the like. The crooks are aware of this, too. It is possible that they are hiding, as the rumors are that they are about to git ‘er done.

        The political class are like rabid rodents who wreak all kinds of destruction on everything, leave their infected droppings, and then scurry back into their holes before they get caught. They are creatures of the dark, and they lurk in dark places, deservedly reviled.

        It is clear that this usurping government is at war with us. They will probably try to pull off some big disaster, or several, and blame it on another country or mother nature.

        I can’t wait until their kharma catches up with them.

  • don

    wake up this is just more of their plan. we didn’t go down with the first 2 # 3 surely will no one in their right mine could see this any other way. by by america

  • Thinking About

    So, what has worked so far, maybe not a lot but since the end of 2008 when we was looking over a cliff on a horse and someone yelling “Giddy up” and beating the horse on the rear. Are we out of this yet, no so there must be more action required. This announcement for QE3 should be a godsend for those holding gold and silver. Would we be better off as a nation if there was less unemployment, you bet, less on social safety nets and having more money to get our ecomonic outlook in a better position. You want to know who the job creators are, it is the common everyday person purchasing and the demand for products grow and it goes on and on. Factories can produce all the product they want, until they sell them there will not be a real profit. It is time for the whining and crying to be over, stand up for the USA, get our jobs back to America and buy USA goods, it will be a gift that keeps on giving.

    • DaveH

      Demand doesn’t drive an economy. If it did there wouldn’t be any poor countries because everybody on this earth demands cheap and well-made products.
      What drives an economy is capital investment and the resulting efficient production of goods and services. We can’t have efficient capital investment without the pricing signals of Free Markets, and Sound Money. And we can’t have either of those with self-serving Politicians and their Crony Capitalists (especially Bankers) who feather their own nests at the rest of our expense.
      The Politicians have been using their Public Propaganda Schools and Court Media for many decades to steer the citizens away from real economic knowledge. Read this to get some of that knowledge that TA doesn’t have, and that the Leaders don’t want you to have:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • tony

        Dave you talk as if ther Currencies that fund eneterpise are just peencies from heaven made by God and that the Politicans are manipulating those pennies away from the nature use of your theory of monetary policy . It is rather a game that was derived by humans and some on earth used it to manipulate while others like the Founders of the USA tried to establish a fair monetary policy that would reward a society its prosperity as it contributed a benenfit to the sustainablity of its communties self relaince , and the currency was the medium of that exchange under the supply-s nd demand of the societies needs were processed .
        In the case of International Trade if we do not factor in the need for tariff trade as a way to negotiate fair trade and Sound Currency policy to make sure the Currency is represented by a supply that is self sustaining in one way or the other through trade relations that equate to alliances or we make sure we are self supportive of these vital human needs , then the risk of DEPENDENCY rise up against the society and its ability to stay self reliant and SERFDOM is the Result . Gresham Laws describes this philosophy .

      • tony

        Dave I fixed the spelling errors sorry , you talk as if the Currencies that fund enterprise are just pennies from heaven made by God and that the Politicians are manipulating those pennies away from the nature use of your theory of monetary policy . It is rather a game that was derived by humans and some on earth used it to manipulate while others like the Founders of the USA tried to establish a fair monetary policy that would reward a society its prosperity as it contributed a benefit to the sustainability of its communities self reliance , and the currency was the medium of that exchange under the supply and demand of the societies needs were processed .
        In the case of International Trade if we do not factor in the need for tariff trade as a way to negotiate fair trade and Sound Currency policy to make sure the Currency is represented by a supply that is self sustaining in one way or the other through trade relations that equate to alliances or we make sure we are self supportive of these vital human needs , then the risk of DEPENDENCY rise up against the society and its ability to stay self reliant and SERFDOM is the Result . Gresham Laws describes this philosophy .

      • Flashy

        DaveH…try thinking instead of parroting Mises. Productivity is at an all time high. Robotics and efficiencies are part and parcel of today’s modern business.

        OK…you say demand isn’t the answer. So Sparky…if there is no demand, how do these “capital investments” and “efficiencies” pay for themselves?

        Demand drives a consumer based capitalist economy. You’d do yourself and many others afflicted with slow of speed thought processes if you’d grasp that simple inescapable concept and quit regurgitating not-on-point Mises articles and presenting them as germane

      • Thinking About

        DaveH, all the capital in the world is going to result in a customer base who does not have a job producing income to purchase the products from the capital unless you are one of the vulture capitalist and you have a lot of other vultures to purchase your product or service. Don’t like able bodied folks on the social network, then bringing the jobs back to the USA in order for wages being paid to the customer base you might have. I do not need the mises readings to tell me this simple way of economics. Produce a produce or service and deliver it to others who has a job to pay for those products and services.

      • DaveH

        TA,
        It is quite the opposite. All the labor in the world cannot produce the cheap goods and services that we have now. Read this and learn something:
        http://mises.org/daily/5277/When-Capital-Is-Nowhere-in-View

      • DaveH

        TA says — “I do not need the mises readings to tell me this simple way of economics”.
        I don’t expect you or your fellow Liberal Progressives to do any studying, TA. I post my links for people who haven’t been Propagandized into a stupor.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “So Sparky”, and “You’d do yourself and many others afflicted with slow of speed thought processes”.
        Typical Liberal Progressive tactics, Folks. Learn them and point them out whenever they use them. Adolescent techniques of manipulation are really their only weapons, because they have no real logic or experience to back up their claims, so they must appeal to base human instincts such as Jealousy or Greed (for other peoples’ money) to work their magic on ignorant people.

      • DaveH

        Herein lies the Experience that results from the kind of Big Government that Flashman and other Liberal Progressives want for you:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Productivity is at an all time high”.
        How to tell when Flashman is lying? His lips are moving:
        http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/PRS85006092

      • Flashy

        From Barron’s…June, 2012..

        “Last year, manufacturing output per worker increased to a new record high of $156,500 (see chart), and almost ten times the output per worker in 1947.

        In other words, the average American factory worker today produces more output in an hour than his or her counterpart produced working almost a ten hour day in 1947 – and that’s why we’re producing record levels of output with fewer workers.”

        Go argue with Barron’s DaveH…

      • DaveH

        LOL. Just as I said. Flashman would quote some vague source as if people are going to dig up an article of Barron’s and check to see if Flashman’s lying or not.
        Mine came from the BLS, Flashman. And I provided a link so that skeptical people could check it out.
        You still haven’t learned that you have no credibility on this board, Flashman. But then, given your lack of intelligence, I understand that.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        LoL…DaveH. You do speak truth there & we can lump in a few others that post here as well.

        God Bless ya, brother…

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Your idea of buying American made goods is great until you realize that the goods aren’t available. My husband and I have this discussion all of the time. I have challenged him to find the items that I want or need that have been made in America. I wouldn’t even mind paying double. In most cases, he searches online for hours, only to find something that was kind of, maybe, not really what I wanted for four times what I could go to the store and buy it for. American made goods aren’t readily available any more which is also why the jobs aren’t available. As long as corporations can pocket huge profits, we won’t see American made goods or jobs. Free trade ain’t so free after all!

      • DaveH

        We haven’t had anything close to Free Trade in this country for over 100 years, Nancy.
        What most people think is Free Trade is simply Mercantilism. With Real Free Trade, we would all be much more prosperous than we are now due to Division of Labor and the efficiency that it creates. But the Leaders and their Cronies would be much less Powerful and Wealthy relative to the general population, and that’s a Big But.

      • Karolyn

        ABC World News has had an ongoing series on “Made in America.” They took a middle class family and emptied their house of everything not made in America. The only thing left in the house was a vase. Then they proceeded to refurish the house with made in America. There were able to find everything but most of the appliances and electronics. They found that many of the items, particularly furniture carried similar prices, and some things were cheaper than foreign-made. I think they still have an ongoing list of companies whose merchandise is made here.

      • DaveH

        So, Karolyn, are you suggesting that people pay more because it’s foreign-made? Why would they do that?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Karolyn, I saw that too. But if you noticed the goods were not replaced with like goods, just whatever they could find. Must we settle for things we don’t like? Is it reasonable that if we want to support American made that we should have little or no choice? What if you don’t like what’s available? This is how they get us to buy foreign made vs American made. If you don’t care what you get, if you are willing to spend your hard earned money on something that you don’t like, then you can find American made.

  • http://www.facebook.com/varian.wrynn Varian Wrynn

    Using US Gov’t projections and statistics, I created a mathematical model predicting the next 8 years of life in the US. Please feel free to review the draft: http://www.scribd.com/doc/107058480/Life-in-2020
    (It is still being revised and expanded, but this one has the tables which tell the story.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/varian.wrynn Varian Wrynn

      I guess I should have provided some details :)

      Life in America in the Year 2020
      Abstract
      By using U.S. Government statistics and 10 year projections, research was conducted to investigate how increased taxation, inflation, healthcare reform and the housing bubble burst will affect the American family standard of living by the year 2020.
      All substantive references are either from credible news sources or from the U.S. Government. The projections show that by 2020, the average American family will be insolvent, living from paycheck-to- paycheck with virtually no discretionary spending, and likely declaring bankruptcy shortly thereafter.
      Note: This is a revision of the paper released on September 26, 2012 and includes the UN Food Cost model and the effects of Taxgeddon.

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Tell me, did you ever see a market plan written that was bad? Particularly one written by government people. We go to the liars to fix their lies every election day.

        • tony

          Who in their right mind keeps doing a WTO free trade agreement that never has had a balanced trade deficit since 1995 ? We have seen the past 3 presidents and congress keep doing this why ???

      • momo

        Varian Wrynn says: ” The projections show that by 2020, the average American family will be insolvent, living from paycheck-to- paycheck with virtually no discretionary spending, and likely declaring bankruptcy shortly thereafter.”

        That’s happening ow, we cannot spend ourselves rich!

      • DaveH

        Don’t confuse Government-administered “Free Trade” with Real Free Trade, Tony.
        http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=163

        “free trade means nothing more than laissez-faire economics applied across borders. The role of government is entirely negative: do not stop goods from coming across borders; do not prevent them from leaving. Neither regionalism nor multilateralism is consistent with this ideal. Only a “passive unilateralism,” meaning active free enterprise, avoids the twin dangers of compromising sovereignty and illicitly projecting power on the rest of the world”.

        • tony

          Dave that sounds good right up till you are trying to compete with a currency manipulation like China has been doing that has led to the relocation of tangible production in the USA and Europe over to their country and the only way for us to compete is to lower our wages down to their wage levels , and I don’t think we can maintian the standard of living in the USA with a 3500 dollar a year income level , certainly we cannot rebuild a tool and die manufacturing base that has been out sourced to the point we cannot even manufacture the parts to create defense equipment .

      • DaveH

        Dancing on the Grave of Keynesianism:
        http://mises.org/daily/6193/

      • DaveH

        Read this, Tony.
        http://mises.org/daily/4256

        How could it possibly benefit the Chinese to ship us their Real Wealth (goods) in return for our paper dollars?

        • tony

          Dave Its the dependency on Foreign Parts from these BRIC nations and oil from OPEC who can at any time reject the dollar as a way to cause the USA economic and societal collapse now that we have become Dependent on them for these Vital Human needs and this crash the Dow causing a nationalization of the USA market supply to be rationed , which is the DREAM of all Environmentalists Marxists who are the main support for Obama and the Democratic party . The Founders where adamant in what the meaning behind a Independent nation meant in terms of making sure we the people are a self reliant nation and society in the writing of the Constitution IMO .

      • DaveH

        tony says — “The Founders where adamant in what the meaning behind a Independent nation meant in terms of making sure we the people are a self reliant nation and society in the writing of the Constitution IMO”.
        Self-reliant? Hardly, tony. The Founder broke away from Great Britain to escape the growing Mercantilism being pushed on the colonies. That kind of thinking was behind their giving of the Power to Regulate Interstate Commerce to the Federal Government. And I’m not talking about the modern day abuse of the Commerce Clause, but what it was really intended to do — keep the states from protecting their in-state industries at the expense of their and the country’s citizens:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dwrAFXEEN8

      • Vicki

        tony says:
        “Dave that sounds good right up till you are trying to compete with a currency manipulation like China has been doing…..”

        As opposed to say the currency manipulation that the private company called the Federal Reserve is doing?

    • tony

      Varian thank you for your diligent report !!!! Can I spread it around the net ? Also I think the futures markets and traders will bring down the thunder sooner rather than after 2014 because they can see what you see and they will not stay engaged in the markets unless the Federal Reserve continues QE Policy , and I think after this election they will be forced to stop by the foreign parts suppliers as they threaten too trim their dollar bond investments which has been funding our importing volumes of parts we are dependent on to make the assembly economy in the USA operate . This is where I see us most vulnerable is our out sourcing has created a dependency on Foreign parts supplies and without these vital parts we will see a total breakdown in our maintenance of our food production , processing distribution as well as our Infrastructure maintenance in society in general . Imagine what a Electrical Transformer that melts down controlling southern Cal sew and water distribution if it cannot be brought back on line because China who we are dependent on for these parts has rejected the dollar as a means to trade and they do this just for a few months ? or take for instance that this Kind of a Currency rejection comes from OPEC and BRIC nations at the same time for a few months at critical planting times and we cannot maintain our food production volumes ?? We are Dependent on the Parts to maintain our Farm equipment Fleets as well as our auto and Truck distribution Fleets too . The Foreign Policy regarding Free Trade agreements over the past 20 years has Decimated our Independence and they did this on Purpose !!!! All you need to do is associate The NSSM200 study that delinked the dollar from the monetary policy of Commodity backed currency models to establish supply-demand data in true content which Kissinger strives to manipulate as is described in the study to consolidate the resources and wealth of the world as we have seen take place since the study was released , like a Blue Print , also Kissinger has been the all of Obamas State dinners along with his Population control associate Brzezinski , and this story affirms ,http://cnsnews.com/node/75388 I would still stock up on canned food partner !!!

    • Flashy

      Varian….with a very brief perusal, I believe there may be assumption flaws in your data tables. If I may, let me print this out for more study and send some feedback via your website.
      .

  • rendarsmith

    “But once we go through the fire, a system based on sound money and Constitutional principles will be established.”

    I pray you’re right Bob.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    QE3? Prosperity by printing and spending lots and lots of counterfeit money. But this counterfeit money has even more strings attached. The Federal Reserve might print we call money but in reality it’s NOTES, which we are obligated to repay to the Federal Reserve. Get it? The Federal Reserve prints paper “money” that is not backed with anything. Then they distribute this “money” and we are obligated to repay out of our own pockets with our real wealth. They print paper, They recieve the wealth of the nation in return. On top of that, when they distribute this counterfeit paper money, they pay the governments bills with it. At that point in time, the market values this new “money” like old money. Once the market realizes there is lots more of it around, it devalues all the counterfeit paper, new and old. Your wealth is depreciated. It’s a form of tax. The District of Criminals gotchya all the way around! Like you can’t fool Mother nature, You can’t fool God’s laws of economics. Oh! they can use the words like inflation. You inflate tires but you counterfeit money. Quantatitive easy sounds like your purchasing a comfy mattress when in reality you are lining up for a one way trip on a box car. Stalin said: Kill one man and it’s murder, Kill thousands and it’s statistics. Is the crime being perpetrated on the American people by the Fed and “their” government just a statistic or is it down murdering each and everyone of us?

    • Vicki

      The Christian American writes:
      “Once the market realizes there is lots more of it around, it devalues all the counterfeit paper, new and old. Your wealth is depreciated. It’s a form of tax.”

      Only if you store your wealth in paper notes or numbers in a computer. Those of us who store wealth in land, gold, silver, steel, lead, brass loose no wealth as the fed prints more and more money.

      Someone above said that QE3 is a Godsend to people who own gold etc. They were wrong of course. KNOWING where to keep our wealth is a Godsend. We are here in part to pass on this gift to others that might be ready to hear.

  • Your Globalist Friend

    You were born into bondage. Resistance is futile. Humanity is doomed.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      No: We are born with liberty which comes from moral conduct. At the age of reason we do the unreasonable, that is, listen to the persuaions of Satan.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      We’re not born into bondage. We are born with liberty as a gift of God. Bondage comes into play when we listen to the persuasions of Satan. There is a line in freedom, the freedom associated with moral people and the freedom associated with the immoral and amoral people, better called bondage. Patrick Henry declared as a moral man: Give me liberty or give me death. Immoral and amoral people get to associate their freedom with bondage.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Read John 3:16 in the bible. There is hope for the righteous people. The others? Well it was their choice.

      • http://none Charlie

        TCA,,, Read on down to John 3:22,23 to read about Salvation,,,then verify baptism as salvation with 1 Peter 3:21… Then,,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • Yair Levy

    So what. He ignores the protests and he has a bunch of collaborators with him. It is like you are living in a third world country , or call it communism.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Simly put, communism is government owned / government controlled, including the people. Fascism is private ownership / government controlled, including the people.
      If you can tell me the difference I’d like hear it? Obama’s a communist through and through. Romney’s a fascist through and through.

  • Flashy

    Oy vej …. The sky is falling ! the sky is falling !

    Putting it all in a calm reflection and perspective…you have the “sky is falling’ rantings on one end, and ‘all is well” on the other…the facts and likely history is found in the middle.

    Touching on both the fed’s recent activities and the inevitable inflation which will follow in the years ahead (the rate of inflation is debatable…) and a “commodity based’ currency (i am assuming gold since that is the commodity hyped by the fearful ‘survivalists”) versus a modern exchange supporting a consumer based capitalist economy, let’s briefly examine both.

    The first is comment on the recent actions for a QE3. We have a glimpse of what will occur should the Fed not address the massive wealth redistribution from the Middle Class to the Wealthy that we have experienced since it was begun by Reagan. The question is not whether there is enough dollars in circulation…the REAL question is how to address the scarcity of dollars in the economy !

    Take two recent examples contrary to the recent QE3 policy announcement. japan’s Lost Decade’ of the 90′s and the current European struggles. Both had the governments slashing budgets and curtailing spending. After this ‘poltice’ was applied, the patient got worse as consumer spending on products other than essentials stopped, and the essentials (food, energy, etc) spiraled in high rates of inflation. The concentration of wealth was present in both, and the biggest lie of all, that giving the wealthy more of the wealth to create jobs was exposed.

    Give the bloated wealthy more wealth via redistribution. then ask them if they would ever so kindly expand or start a new company. The response is predictable…”thanx for the cash, we’ll just park it in a stash and grow richer thank you very much. Why start expanding or a new company since there is no demand ?”

    Demand for the essentials remains strong. Ag is strong, health care and energy a good investment, same with rental property. Because the governments have to take care of the unemployed and out of work. The dole remains and people have to have the essentials. Discretionary spending…the spending that drives expansion of new business, is dead. For the real Job Creators, the consumer of the Middle Class, has run out of money. There is no more to send to the wealthy nor spend on anything but what is needed.

    Ask yourself, when was the last time anyone of the Middle Class..that you know personally … has said they weren’t feeling the squeeze? The problem isn’t that we of the Middle Class has too much money….

    The QE3 policy goes after the problem. yes, there will be a devaluation as the buy backs beginning to take effect. And it will alter the perception of the masses as housing values and physical assets show an increase of value in relation to the dollar. it will give a sense of financial security. Yes…the wealthy with direct holdings in physical assets will get kicked around some. They deserve a few swift kicks. The other portion, those who stashed the cash, should get slapped alongside the head with elimination of the social welfare programs and tax favortism they were handed under Reagan and Bush II.

    The “options’ and necessities are now switched. Instead of the wealthy being able to park the cash and the Middle Class having no option except to spend on necessities…you have the Middle Class now having an option of discretionary spending and the necessity of the wealthy to expand, produce and sell more or lose ground.

    Fact is, right now an inflation rate in the ‘descretions’ is a desired situation. Outside of the necessitities, there is an actual deflation of discretionary product value. Inventory has to be kept small because face it, the product ain’t exactly flyin’ off the shelf.

    A rate of 5-8% is something to pay attention to, but it provides the short term benefit of a “kick” as people start to think ‘hey, our assets have increased in dollars, we have some money to spend…we’d best buy for XMas/ Spring/Summer now for tomorrow it’s going to be a tad bit more expensive”. Short term…

    The trick Bernanke will face is how to keep the inflation rate down as the economy heats up and the pent up demand and want is unleashed.

    Almost certainly Bernanke wanted to hold off until post elections. If Pres. Obama and the Democrats in Congress are re-elected and strengthened, his desired path is clear. If the GOP lies and defrauds the public then it becomes far more dicier.

    As demand increases, production has to rise to meet the demand, or prices will increase due to scarcity. Under Obama’s plan, tax the indirect investment and idle cash of the wealthy causes the wealthy and business to say “criminey…we’d best do some direct investing and make more stuff to make up for the lower profit. We have to sell more to make it up or we’re gonna take a hit!”

    Thus…the wealthy expand their direct investment, the government takes a little bit more shave and uses that to pay for spending and deficit reduction as well as invest in infrastructure, education and research.

    Cpm[pare that to the rantings of Romney/the GOP/wacked right wing extremists/racial Libertarians …which is give more of the remaining to the wealthy and cut back the Middle Class even further. Look at Japan and Europe and see where that’ll get us. AND toss in significant inflation as the wealthy have no incentive to spend and invest, yet the Middle Class spends because they are now worth more dollars.

    And folks…it’s an inescapable fact. One path gives us a chance to weight the scales evenly after 30 years of redistributing the wealth from the Middle Class to the wealthy. the other guarantees to give us chaos and economic malaise.

    • momo

      Flashy, the administration apologist, is at it again with his leftist propaganda.
      “Give the bloated wealthy more wealth via redistribution.”

      I’m guessing your talking about the Reagan and Bush tax cuts, here’s some facts:
      The top 1 percent pay 40 percent of the toal tax burden
      The top 2-5 percent pay 20 percent of the total tax burden
      The top 6-10 percent pay 10 percent of the total tax burden
      the top 11-25 percent pay 15 percent of the total tax burden

      So one would guess by Flashy’s comments that after the tax cuts that the tax burden the top one percent have would be less, but not so:

      1980 the top 1 percent paid 19 percent of the total tax burden
      1990 the top 1 percent paid 25 percent of the total tax burden
      2000 the top 1 percent paid 37 percent of the total tax burden
      2007 the top 1 percent paid 40 percent of the total tax burden

      “The QE3 policy goes after the problem. yes, there will be a devaluation as the buy backs beginning to take effect. And it will alter the perception of the masses as housing values and physical assets show an increase of value in relation to the dollar.”

      Naturally there will be an increase in value in relation to the dollar, there are more dollars, hence their value is lessened in relation to the asset. A perception is a far cry from reality.

      “The trick Bernanke will face is how to keep the inflation rate down as the economy heats up and the pent up demand and want is unleashed. ”

      And if he doesn’t get the timing right we’ll be facing hyper inflation.

      ” If Pres. Obama and the Democrats in Congress are re-elected and strengthened, his desired path is clear.”

      Yeah, the path is clear, more government intervention, more bills “we need to pass, so we can read”, and a country on the skids from superpower to banana republic.

      “And folks…it’s an inescapable fact. One path gives us a chance to weight the scales evenly after 30 years of redistributing the wealth from the Middle Class to the wealthy. the other guarantees to give us chaos and economic malaise.”

      Typical leftist drivel, and the only other time I heard the term malaise was when Jimmy Carter gave a speech from the White House wearing a sweater and blaming the American public for his problems. The current usurper makes Carter look good.

      • Flashy

        Momo:

        “So one would guess by Flashy’s comments that after the tax cuts that the tax burden the top one percent have would be less, but not so:

        1980 the top 1 percent paid 19 percent of the total tax burden
        1990 the top 1 percent paid 25 percent of the total tax burden
        2000 the top 1 percent paid 37 percent of the total tax burden
        2007 the top 1 percent paid 40 percent of the total tax burden”

        You aren’t grasping the reality. When the income of the Top 1% go up by the massive amount it has due to the redistribution which began under Reagan, and the income of the Middle Class stagnating, the percentage of tax receipts will be skewed as the more income pays more overall, even at a lower percentage of income. Add to that the shrinking Middle Class as the numbers go not up, but down into a lower income strata, and the difference is exacerbated.

        What’s the PERCENTAGE of income in 1980 versus today? Exactly. Now explain to me how the average Middle Class income should have 20% taken in income taxes, and Romney had to struggle to keep his at 14%…and had he taken some obvious deductions available to him, he would be at 9%.

        I know..I know..wacked out detached from reality folks like DaveH will say that means the Middle Class should have their taxes decreased to Romney’s level. Disregarding, of course, the necessary budget deficits resulting or the massive budgetary slashing having to be done..which will cost the Middle Class even more as they have to spend more of their scarce dollars to make up for the loss of the few government programs available to them…

        • RichE

          What’s the ratio of tax burden to gross income for the 1% and 99%’ers?

      • Flashy

        Rich…here is a VERY good paper on the issue. Not much bias and gives hard numbers and graphs throughout.

        http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

        In terms of wealth equality..we rank 90. Just below that of Iran (yes…IRAN) and just a tad better than Mexico. i.e Third World status…

        How’s that 30 years of wealth redistribution doin’ for ya’s?

        • RichE

          Thanks. Didn’t see it in there, but understand it is a harder number to calculate than I thought. Income alone wouldn’t give a good ratio. One could be a 1% and have an income of $100,000. Now I’m not sure how to calculate true burden.

      • momo

        Flashy, I think when you compare the incomes of the middle class to those of the rich, you’re comapring apples and oranges. The middle class derives their income mainly from a paycheck. The rich on the other hand have various avenues of income, other than a paycheck, that have lesser tax consequences than wages. The rich inest their money in stocks, if the company that issues the stock does well stock price goes up and the investors are rewarded with dividends, which are (were) taxed at a lesser rate than wages. When municipalities need to build a new water plant they issue municipal bonds, which are not taxed. If the rich invest in real estate then their income from the investment is offset by depreciation. All these tax breaks are done to spur investment.
        The best “social program” for the middle class are jobs!

    • DaveH

      Flashman says — “Take two recent examples contrary to the recent QE3 policy announcement. japan’s Lost Decade’ of the 90′s and the current European struggles. Both had the governments slashing budgets and curtailing spending”.
      No, let’s not take them. Flashman is lying as usual. Japan and Europe’s problems are not due to slashing budgets and curtailing (Government) spending.
      Read here to learn what really cause Japan’s problems from a learned man (unlike the Administration stooge Flashman):
      http://mises.org/journals/scholar/weingarten.pdf

      I welcome Flashman to provide us some figures for European Government Spending to back up his fabricated facts. He won’t. At best, he’ll give us some newspaper citation that he knows nobody will bother to look up.

    • DaveH

      One of the best examples of relative Socialism vs. relative Capitalism is that of East and West Germany, split up after WWII. East Germany was controlled by the Communists and West Germany had a relatively Free Market economy.
      “The case of West and East Germany is particularly instructive. Here, history provides us with an
      example that comes as close to that of a con trolled social experiment as one could probably hope to get. A quite homogeneous population, with very much the same history, culture, character, structure, work ethics, divided after Hitler-Germany’s defeat in World War II. In West Germany, more because of lucky circumstances than the pressure of public opinion, a remarkably free market economy was adopted, the previous system of all-around price controls abolished in one stroke, and almost complete freedom of movement, trade, and occupation intro duced. In East Germany, on the other hand, under Soviet Russian dominance, socialization of the means of production, i.e., an expropriation of the previous private owners, was implemented. Two different institution al frameworks, two different incentive structures have thus been applied
      to the same population. The difference in the results is impressive.16 While both countries do well in their respective blocs, West Germany has the highest standard of living among the major West-European nations and East Germany prides itself in being the most well-off country in the East bloc, the standard of living in the West is so much higher and has become relatively more so over time, that despite the transfer of considerable amounts of money from West to East by government as well as private citizens and increasingly socialist policies in the West, the visitor going from West to East is simply stunned as he enters an almost completely different, impoverished world”.
      More at:
      http://mises.org/etexts/SocCap.pdf

      • momo

        DaveH, its also interesting that the West Germans were able to achieve a foreign policy objective, i.e. reunification, by paying the Soviets to leave!

      • Flashy

        Ummm..i’d be very hesitant to say it was a “homogenous’ side by side case study. the Soviet treatment of E Germany in stripping it bare, that W Germany had most of the pre war industrialized plants, that the Soviets gave nothing by way of tech. assistance or aid to E germany…in fact, bled it dry…and monies made available to W Germany would argue more for a government intervention than “free market’,,,

        But then, revisionist history seems to be de rigor’ with the Right…

      • http://none Charlie

        DaveH,,,
        What did commie Germans accomplish by jailing Ernst Zundel???

    • Vicki

      Flashy says:
      “Oy vej …. The sky is falling ! the sky is falling !

      Putting it all in a calm reflection and perspective…you have the “sky is falling’ rantings on one end, and ‘all is well” on the other…the facts and likely history is found in the middle. ”

      Let us take a look at your historical middle.
      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/shared/minitext/ess_germanhyperinflation.html

  • RichE

    How does the Gold Standard prevent Inflation and Deflation? The standard isn’t the problem.

    • tony

      RichE you are right , we can starve to death on a pile of Gold . Its food thats being predicted in short supply in the next 20 years worldwide and water before that and the 2 together is whats got all the globalists stopping credit investments and growth and they are telling us stories while they are figuring out how and what to do with 80- 100 million people increasing world population every year .

      • RichE

        Yep, we’re not very good stewards. We ought to focus on that as the ultimate Armageddon prevention, but we won’t. Where’s the motivation in being responsible? The zombies will just take it.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      The only thing that can stop inflation is the government to stop counterfeiting FRN’s. Deflation means a loss of confidence in the bankrupt dollar. There is a way to stop this. Abolish the Federal Reserve and start issuing United States Notes in their stead. Freeze all wages, and I mean all, wages and let prices go where they may, Logically prices wil have to come down to meet wages. Hitler did that and in 3 years germany went from a depression to a solvent country.

      • RichE

        Hitler the economist, you should suggest that as one of the debate questions.

        • tony

          RichE the expansion of the money supply is just part of the inflation effect , I think you have to expand supply in the key areas that are showing inflation in order to contain it . Its the lack of supply that causes the inflation on existing supply thats inadequate to feed demand . We are seeing this coming from the 2 main categories in Food and Energy Commodities stocks , but this is why in 1972 when the dollar was delinked from the Commodities basket and placed on the Fiat system which is just a Government guarantee system they choose to not factor in the 2 main supply categories that effect all other durable supplies , kinda funny don’t you think that came out at the same time when Kissinger released his World Population Control study that said all resources and the wealth of the free market needed to be consolidated together by the year 2000 to place world society under a central Government controlled rationing system and ZERO Population growth and today we have these very fundamentals playing out in world Governments setting economic policies in place that are transferring the private wealth over to all World Government by default ???

      • Vicki

        The Christian American writes:
        “Freeze all wages, and I mean all, wages and let prices go where they may, Logically prices will have to come down to meet wages.”

        Why freeze wages? Freeze both or freeze prices instead. Worked so well for Jimmy.

        Better by far to leave BOTH alone and freeze government spending on credit.

  • Chained

    This is a planned collapse to destroy this country by the global elite. This statement “But once we go through the fire, a system based on sound money and Constitutional principles will be established” I believe is false. Once the economy collapses chaos will ensue and everyone at that point will be microchipped or killed in the name of the satanic NWO. If you choose to get microchipped you will become a complete slave to their new system. You will have no control of your life anymore, they will control every aspect of it.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Their not interested in collapsing America. They have it in mind for the wealth of America to flow to them. If God lets it go that far, there will be true class society, lords and serfs.

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  • Strighttothepoint!!!!!

    With so much “free” hand outs,and so many elected “rotten ,self centered Leaders”,did you expect anything different ????Our so-called leaders reflects the mood of the nation,when about half of the childern in this country,don”t know who the hell their father is,or over 51 million un-born babies have been killed,did you expect anything different??you can blame the goverment,the fed’s,or whoever you choose to blame,,the real blame goes to the people of this country,we did it to ourselves,by the way we voted(Obama is not a natural born citizen-but yet is President!!)and by the way we lived our lifes!!!!

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      There’s nothing for nothing. People that sell their souls for some of the loot that’s taken from working people vis-a-vis taxes will find the price is spending eternity with Satan in hell. That’s a price that I wouldn’t want to pay.

  • noel

    OBAMANOS!!!

    • RichE

      Obamaknows

      • momo

        I doubt it!

  • Jim B

    I want some of that free Obama money!

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

    Cashless society around the corner, they will not only know how much you have in credit but, how you spend it, where you spend it and everything about your personhood, get ready satan is on his way and has all his ducks in a roll, obozo, omoochelle, and all his puppets, no longer free if you elect the islamist-in-chief.

    • http://none Charlie

      Satanic powers were / are conquered by King Jesus and His Laws…. What did King Jesus say when tempted by Satan ? See Matthew chapter 4:10,,, “Go, Satan! for it is written, You Shall worship The Lord Your God, and Serve Him Only.”.. Read and Heed The King’s “Orders”, for He is The American Militia Commander … Act in accordance with
      Your “Rank” in The Chain of Command , UNDER the ONLY True Sovereign , King Jesus
      Christ , Son of The Almighty God…Amen and so be it…………..
      Heathens,,,repent or perish! ……… Meanwhile,,,,,,,,,,,,
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • Attaboyslim

    It absolutely boggles the mind as to the reason we are still discussing the Federal Reserve. Why in God’s name have the people of this country not gone “Ber-frigging-zerk” with anger over what the FED has done to us all and threw the Bums in jail or at least, out of the country? Look, they came into existence under a clandestine operation of deceit and the Congress and the office of the President are now fully aware of this but do nothing. They aren’t authorized by our Constitution and have no authority that they are required to answer to but this is just the tip of the iceberg. The crooked bastards also instituted the IRS (also illegal) as well as the Income Tax laws that have ruined a many a good American and there is no law on the books that requires ANY American to pay income tax but their IRS enforces it so they can continue raping this country.

    Not one penny of the taxes we do pay are used for their intended purpose because every single penny pays the interest we must pay in order to use our own money. It is so flagrantly obvious that they robbed this country blind and then had the audacity to demand bailouts but we went along, why? Because the corrupt people we elected into office said we should? Why haven’t we thrown them out or replaced them? Do we really enjoy being treated like, “Punks”? You wanna know the absolute worst? The absolute worst is thanks to Colonel Edward House who was President Wilson’s alter ego. He, along with the FED created the life of slavery that each of us have endured our entire lives.

    I’m talking about the creation of an alter ego for every person in this country that is considered a ‘human resource’, where we are each given a number that is traded on the stock exchange as a commodity. You’ll recognize this person by the ALL CAPITALIZATION OF YOUR NAME. This means that they own each of us as well as all of our children. This is the reason they demand certain things with regards to the children or they will take them away. They belong to them and we have voluntarily registered them with them which means we have relinquished ownership. Please, Google “Birth Certificates as Stock Certificates” or anything along those lines.

    My point is that every single problem facing this country and the world as large can be traced back to these criminals. As for Gold and Silver becoming a sound currency? Not a chance because they own the vast majority of the worlds gold and silver supplies and even our own Fort Knox is empty. Giving the FED any credit is pathetic.

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      You are correct, brother.

      Nothing is going to be done until we as a whole Nation get galvanized & begin to demand the change. That’s not going to happen until we as a whole Nation begin to address that which is NOT being spoke about where it matters…major news media outlets, congress, courts, sheriff offices…etc. We must now begin to talk about taboo subjects that have been constantly swept under the rug by the gatekeepers that we believe are our elected leaders.

      Subjects such as the Gulf of Tonkan, USS Liberty, 9/11, John Todd, Capt. William Morgan, William Cooper, the lies that gave the Rothschilds so much power after Napolean, etc…& these are just a few off the top of my head. The level of deciet, corruption, and out right EVIL within our government must be addressed by the people of this Nation. Or we will lose all that earlier American’s bled for.

      I’m a Veteran & I’m ashamed of my country but I love her too. Please people…start talking to your family & friends, your local sheriff (though many are just as corrupt & this includes mayors and entire cities in places) and anyone else willing to hear. Don’t let them minimize you and push you aside. Demand answers…we must begin to act now. Everything is at stake & I’ve been harping about this now for some time on this site.

      The reason I don’t address all the various topics is because I believe in ROOT level thinking. That once you fix something at it’s source the symptoms that we only treat will go away as well. If we fix it at the source, perhaps we’ll actually take back this wonderful country of ours. The source is the Federal Reserve & the foreign interests that now control our country. I speak of the secret societies & the old blood line familes. Let’s address this like the God loving people who founded this country would want us to.

      And finally…remember this my brothers & sisters. The MSM has turned the public opinion that the word Militia is bad. Don’t believe it. A well armed militia is the backbone of our country. Get involved you men & women of honor. Help spread the word that America is fed up with this crap we have been spoon fed & that we aren’t going to take it anymore. I’m more angry now than I have ever been in my life & though my water has been still and silent, it runs DEEP and has begun to churn. I’m becoming active in my community. I hope you are as well.

      America needs all Patriots to begin talking. We must still try to use the pen but do sharpen your swords because our mettle is going to be tested, one way or another. Look for a false flag operation of some magnitude this month. I’m betting its coming & will be extremely happy if I’m wrong. The signals are out there, however…something wicked this way comes.

      I love God, my family & Country. If you think like I do…it’s no longer ok to just sit back waiting for someone else to fix this. It’s going to require all of us to stand up for what’s right. If trouble must come…let it come in my time so my children can be safe from it…or at least pick up the fight where I and others like me helped try to blaze the trail to liberty & freedom.

      Only an aware & well armed public has a chance to stay free.

      God Bless all of us true patriots who are beginning to make a stand. Good luck in your efforts my brothers & sisters. God’s speed.

      • http://none Charlie

        BrotherPatriot,,,
        How about reading The Bible and figure out who The American Militia Commander is ???
        Then Pray Matthew 6:9–13… Then,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • Attaboyslim

        BrotherPatriot, I hear you screamin’, loud and clear. There are those who will mock you … or I, and will laugh at our hysteria and all the while, they will do nothing. That won’t take away the fact that there are 24 civilian inmate camps, FEMA, that have been set aside for the good people of this country. REX84 and COINTELPRO and CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and on and on and on, it goes. They have no clue about what has been set up and I pray it never comes to pass but history is littered with the good belief in Governments and the number of unanswered prayers have covered the ground in the blood of the believers but, it is always thought of as ridiculous. The true sadness comes in the recognition that we are truly connected to every person who has ever lived and the reality is that the connection is via stupidity.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Roger that.

      • http://none Charlie

        Attaboyslim,,,
        There are NO unanswered prayers to anyone that has accomplished Acts 2:38 WITH understanding … Acts 2:38 gives salvation AND The Gift of The Holy Spirit , all this in one
        single verse,,,can any other single verse beat that???
        Heathens ! repent or perish,,, Meanwhile ,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…

        • Attaboyslim

          Whoa there Preacher … I may ought to clean my glasses a bit more often because I surely didn’t realize I was walking into a Revival meeting. I’m not real sure what it was that I said that crossed you up so bad but whatever it was, I think you might have read into it wrong. The long and short of it is that these people I thought we were discussing … those that rule the world by force and coercion, recognize no God and live by pure evil as best I can tell. So bad, in fact, that the scriptures may need to be revised after this is all over because it looks like Beelzebub has added to his bag of tricks. Be looking for you Sunday morning Rev. :)

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Attaboy & Charlie-

        I hear whatcha saying there, Atta. You see…I live my life by the word of God that echoes within me. Not by the word of Man which I believe is what the Bible is. I need no preacher to tell me he exists or that I have to worship in a certain way. I know how rough that sounds, however…the Bible is the edited version of information that came from the Council of Nicea. The new roman emperor attempting to solidify his rule, Constantine…gathered the various factions of Christianity (who all had their own belief’s) and bribed them all with money, land, churches, scribes, paper, ink…etc., to come to an agreement so they would all be on the same “page”. He had direct say as to what went into that book. In otherwords…he was the editor with his own Agenda.

        Now, all that said…there is NO wrong way to worship God unless it harms others, forces others to believe a certain way or it adversely affects others. That’s when you know something is wrong…such as sacrificing any living being during worship. I believe once that is done you turn the energy negative & it goes not to God but to Lucifer instead. Our Bible is full of that kind of crap…& to me this tells me there is something very wrong about it. You see, this book that so many put 100% faith into it…was written by very ignorant people back in a time where they really didn’t know what was going on & so they imagined all sorts of explanations. So I’m just saying…perhaps some research into what really was going on back then should be done in order to understand what & why it was done.

        I love God & give thanks everyday. Just because I don’t believe a certain way means I’m wrong or going to hell? I don’t think so & if you do then there is something very wrong with your belief system. But your entitled to it…and so am I.

        Yeah Attaboy & others…I think we a species can actually get along & have a better world…but that’s not going to happen as long as these rich elites are ALLOWED to continue to control things. Time to start talking about taboo subjects…such as secret societies & their connections into the UN, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Illuminati, Skull & Bones, Georgia Guidestones, the JFK assassinations, …all of it.

        Connect the dots my brothers & sisters…something this massive leaves footprints. Follow the trail they leave back in History.

        God Bless.

        • elvisone

          BrotherPatriot, In response to your comment, i think it was beautifully said, cme from a real place in your heart and I agreed with everything you said even though, my walk with God isn’t as steady as the one you are on and God bless you for that happiness. I could leave it at that because that is the message I wanted you to hear but I really do need to set the record straight for you as well as anyone else who may be in or joining this conversation.

          You may have read where I criticized or complained and you will probably continue to see my [expletive deleted]and moans and I wanted to chime into this debate because the Financial institutions of this world and nauseatingly criminal actions of the Bankers … and naturally, the stupefying partnerships our Politicians have formed with these people makes me Mad As Hell! This is the place for like minded people to discuss their thoughts and meld minds as they search for something that makes sense in it all but this is not what is happening. No, it is happening but there is also a phantom discussion that has redirected a lot of the energy in a different direction.

          The negative comments I’ve made about the Church, religion and God had absolutely no reason to be in this discussion, period. None of it was directed at anyone on this panel except for the buffoon who has made it a mission to infiltrate our conversation to apparently divide us, keep us preoccupied or to otherwise, disrupt the process that we tried to participate in and for reasons known only to himself. Naturally, this buffoon with an intellectual deficiency who has his own agenda that is not in the best interest of this country, calls himself, “Charlie”. He speaks with a grandiose yet disillusion conviction that he has somehow been ordained in the word of God but nothing could be further from the truth.

          I could care less if he could name every single name of every member of the tribes of Israel and the names they gave to their goats, he is a buffoon and is full of [expletive deleted]. Any one can read from Wikipedia or have something prepared but don’t you understand BrotherPatriot … none of it matters because the topic of this post is, “QE3 To Infinity and Beyond” and is not entitled, “Charlie, the Tribes of Israel and the miracles of a pet goat”? You and I … No, most people know when they are in the presence of someone who is truly blessed or who exudes spirituality and this Charlie, isnot that person. What ever message he has, I don’t need but even if I did, I’d look for it in a different place but will never take something that is forced on me by someone like Charlie.

          Better salvation would come from a goat. Peace BrotherPatriot.

        • Attaboyslim

          Please note that the comment made by elvisone was actually from me Attaboyslim. I goofed

      • http://none Charlie

        BrotherPatriot,,,
        What Bible do you read ? what Bible does the Patriot Groups read? and is Acts 2:38 written as “Truth” ??? Meanwhile,,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • http://none Charlie

      Attaboyslim,,,
      Are You in compliance with The basic orders of King Jesus Christ ? Do you contest or refute Your name in ALL CAPS ??? Are You in The Jurisdiction of King Jesus Christ?
      Do You know the TWO definitions of the word “Jurisdiction”?
      Could it be You ARE NOT as smart as You “THINK” You are?????????????
      Maybe a little “Mind Programmed”(brainwashed) by the Satanic powers that be???
      Meanwhile,,, Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • http://none Charlie

        Attaboyslim,,,
        I ain’t NO Preacher for Your info’ ,,,most ,modern day Preachers are Judeo christians AND
        do not Preach The Bible as Written … Most Churches DO NOT teach / preach Acts 2:38 as Salvation … What was the “Judgment” for the Bible Prophets that told a lie or made an
        error regarding The Words from God ??? Would You believe it was death?…………
        King Jesus said be not deceived , see Luke 21:8 , is that Law?, most words coming from the mouth of King Jesus are Law or advisory in principle … So, be warned ………….
        Deceiving others or being deceived are both “””Sins”””…
        I have two Gifts from accomplishing Acts 2:38 with understanding ……………
        See 1 Corinthians chapter 12 for most of The Gifts from The Holy Spirit ……………
        Meanwhile,,,Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing……………………..

        • Frank Kahn

          Ahh another unacceptable statement from the great god Charlie. You are a what? What makes your, man made, RELIGION better than the national standard of Judea-christian? Still aint gonna wash Charlie. Tell everyone what you are, dont just spout how you are saved and Judea-Christians are not. You dont follow the Bible I read so where does that leave you in the “dont fool or be fooled” category? God does not judge us on our words, he judges us on our deeds and what is in our hearts. Who are the nation of Israel? And Biblically speaking what is the consequences of going against them?

        • Attaboyslim

          Still barking up the wrong tree Charlie. I hear you knocking … but you can’t come it.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        OK,,here’s your chance ,,to show off your great knowledge of The Bible…. We will ask a very few, very pointed questions … NOW! don’t waste My time or others time with your beat around the bush ,non answer , answers ……………..
        1. Show documentation that proves the bloodline of the people in the land area named Israel , ,,,today???

        2. Who are the bloodline lineage today of Esau Edom as written of at Genesis chapter 27
        AND Malachi 1:1—5 ???

        NOW! IF you don’t know the simple answers to the above questions ? ,,,You can find them
        at http://www.missiontoisrael.org , or call 308-783-4116 … Meanwhile,,,,,,,,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Frank Kahn

          I am not going to do any seaches on your your religious sites for you. I aske you questions, if you cant answer just say so and leave it at that. You are not a perfect Christian and I dont like people like the person running the site you gave the link to. If he wants to harvest souls let him bother someone else, we dont need him

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Thanks for your non answer, answer,,,IF,,,you will not read The Bible , KJV, NASB, then you will never gain the knowledge and understanding needed to understand other history books, in reference to who and where other people are located on planet earth …
        Your mind thinking is blocked by “heathenism” , cognitive dissonance , egotism , among a few other psychological defects, which is typical of a non truth seeking and non investigative mind,,,simply put , you are a retarded heathen with a heavy case of brainwashing … But , meanwhile ,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Frank Kahn

          You might want to be careful the words you use since you just committed a few sins in that last one.

          Lying falls under the thou shalt no bear false witness sin “since you refuse to read the bible”.

          “you are a retarded heathen”, retarded (besides not being politically correct) is the inability to learn at the accepted standard of other people. I graduated college with an associates degree in science – computer programming as valedictorian with a GPA of 3.97, I graduated college with a bachelors degree in science – Software Engineering with a GPA of 3.85. Unlike you, I follow the word of God in all aspects of my life. I dont lie about things and I dont judge people, since that is Gods domain.

          Close / narrow minded? It would take about an hour to show you the error in that statement. It is a case of the COAL calling the SNOW black. I, not only ready every translation and / or interpretation of the Bible and its origins, I also study as many other religions from around the world as possible. I also investigate the differences in the Christian religions to see who is twisting what to get what they want. Catholics are idol worshipers, they even pray to the Virgin Mother. Many require a large tithe to be a good Christian (not getting that one from the Bible). Televangelists claim that God tells them to collect large amounts of money (God never has had a use for money). Many religions try to claim they are the one true Church of God (burning desires there). You, on the other hand, seem to believe that the translation you are reading and how you interpret it is the only possible truth. How open minded is that? There are 10 lost tribes of Israel not 11, 12 or 13, if you THINK otherwise then show me the proof.

          Your presenting yourself as above all Judea-Christians falls under the sin of pride. Your personal opinions on the words in the Bible do not give you the right, privilege or authority to look down on others.

          This is not about me doing research at your demand. I know that God did not make you ruler of me. I have asked you approximately 20 questions, in our short acquaintance, and you have never one time answered. You show either an unwillingness to show that you really do know something or you just dont know the answers.

          I will only delve into your insanity to once more try and straighten you out on some points in the Bible. Your ignorant claim that one sentence in the Bible is Salvation is laughable when it comes from someone who CLAIMS to know so much history. Being Baptized by water is not salvation, it is never said in the Bible. It is your interpretation of the words. You take it out of context and forget the other thousands of words about salvation in the Bible. Without accepting Jesus as your savior, Baptism is worthless. The only way you can claim to be saved in a Baptism is if you are accepting Jesus as your savior. I maintain that it is the accepting of Jesus that is the first and most important step in salvation. After that it speaks about holding God in your heart, letting your desires be of him and not of the world. This also is necessary for salvation.

          History, in relation to the Bible is short sighted. You appear to be trying to claim that you can trace the actual ancestry of one of the tribes of Israel from 2000 years ago to the present day. I doubt that claim, no, I am calling you a liar. The chronicled accounts of the tribes of Israel in the Bible stop oh say 1900 years ago. Actual genealogical records throughout the ages is limited at best and actually mostly nonexistent. Records of the ancestry of people for hundreds of years was done as story telling (word of mouth) about a families history. Quite often over the last century, last names have been used to prove (assume) the ancestry of someone. My last name, for instance, is very Jewish so you might say I come from the tribe of Judah. Well, I cant say I didnt but I know that my grandfathers last name was changed when he immigrated from Germany so it is not an indicator of who my real ancestors were. So, unless you can show me a couple terabytes of data concerning an entire nations ancestral history, you will never be able to PROVE that someone is the actual descendant of one of Israels sons.

          Now, if you have any intelligence, I still ask you WHO ARE THE NATION OF ISRAEL? And, WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY WILL HAPPEN IF YOU OPPOSE THEN?

          Calling me names and claiming I refuse to read the Bible are not an answer to my questions. I know the answer to both questions, I just want to hear what you think.

        • Frank Kahn

          PS on the claim of cognitive dissonance, I doubt you actually understand what that means but, if you understand it then please explain two things: 1. where did you get your psychology degree? 2. What part of our discussion relates to something that would rise to the level of some type of ingrained delusional belief that could trigger cognitive dissonance?

          Are you referencing my belief that no human can be so blind and misguided that they actually believe something as bizzare and stupid as your posts say? NOPE, I have read so many insane things on this blog that my beliefs in the ability of everyone to think rationally has been destroyed long ago.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        What document will you read ? you don’t read The Bible , you don’t read Dictionaries ,,,so,,, how can anyone get beyond your “Cognitive Dissonance”??? ….
        Look up the word retarded ,,,it is a relative term word… One can be a triple PhD Magna Cum Laude on some subject matters and not know Jack Dung Louie’s phone number on some other subject matters … Translation :: ANYONE CAN BE BRAINWASHED on some subject matters…………………….
        You will have to read the Scripture that I have pointed out , which I did not write , and figure out what the number 12 and 13 is…IF,,, you cannot read Genesis and figure out how many sons Jacob Israel had from his 4 wives ,concubines ,or females or what ever you want to call the four??? and see also that Jacob Israel adopted in as his sons , the 2 grand sons of Joseph while in Egypt… THEN! you , may be unable to accept any info that I can point at …………..Meanwhile……………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Frank Kahn

          I read an inspiring response to you by another person here, he said it quite clearly. His analysis of you and your behavior was dead on.

          I have read the bible, and I have a vocabulary in excess of 15,000 words all of which I use properly. You on the other hand have a much smaller vocabulary and seldom use or explain them correctly. Retarded has many definitions, however only one is prudent when speaking of a person. You implied I am mentally retarded which has nothing to do with your imbecilic definition attempt. To be retarded is to be slow in learning or adapting to social surroundings. It is considered to be a mental deficiency which is normally determined to be true for people with an IQ of less than 70. Many consider anyone with an IQ of less than 70 to be retarded. My IQ is none of your business but it is more than twice the cutoff for classification of mental retardation. There is nothing in the definition of retarded that you can use to describe me so you are lying out of ignorance.

          There are 10 lost tribes of Israel, Judah’s tribe (the Jews) are not one of them. There is a 12th one that was assigned to tend the temples and therefor had no land and were not normally counted.

          I challenge you to point out the specific lines in Genesis that name Jacob (Israel)’s children. And make sure that they are listed as begats of Jacob.

          You still refuse to answer any questions so I declare you to be an ignorant heathen incapable of human interaction on an intellectual level.

          Keep pushing, you are never going to get anywhere with anyone that has even half a brain. We are too smart to believe you were sent here by God on a mission to define his words. Push, Push, Push all you want. Throw hour childish name calling temper tantrums. It is not going to help you one iota. (iota – means small amount)

          You were almost right in describing a certain mental condition (not retardation), it is called being an idiot savant, where you are basically retarded but for some reason you are a genius at one particular talent.

          Answer the two questions I asked in my last post or forget answering at all since talking with you is counter productive and borders on dancing with the devil. Your last several posts to me are actually by definition satanic attacks on my faith. May you find true enlightenment and may God forgive you for the sins you have shown to me in these posts. Take God into your heart before it is too late.

      • Attaboyslim

        No, actually Charlie … I just refuse to argue, debate with or attempt to communicate with; obviously, ridiculous lunatics. Now, to be fair, some call 911 Truthers and those who understand that Governments are greedy and corruptly conspiring to imprison and impoverish their citizens as lunatics but there is a difference. My arguments, debates and communications with these people are because I consented to those things by choice.

        On the other hand, I did not look nor did I wish to engage in philosophical discussions about religions or religious beliefs in any shape, form or fashion. There is also the fact that I don’t actively seek out with determination, a means of disrupting your choice nor the choices of others who wish to discuss such topics as is usually the case with the Truth movement. The bottom line is if that is what you feel to be your calling and you feel your inner strength is worthy of spreading the word of God, then I wish you all the success in your venture and hope you find fulfillment but do not try and badger or intimidate me with “your” beliefs because I’m not going there with you or any one else.

        Charlie, Allow me to point out one very important aspect of your message in case it slipped your mind and while you have every right to ignore it or to tell me to mind my own business; which is your prerogative, I still want to offer. Keep in mind that the words you speak are just that, “your words”. As in, a personal perspective or opinion relating to the topic you are discussing. I’ve heard nothing about the history of creation coming to a screeching halt and all religious beliefs having to be altered because of the discovery of the. ‘actual’, living God … Charlie, and so I’m fairly certain that your are not speaking the words f God but merely interpreting them as you understand.

        This is an important factor Charlie because before you can come at someone with malice and espousing accusatory remarks about their understanding of such things then, as I see it, you need to actually own the authority to make such judgement calls and I doubt this is the case. Use your common sense also Charlie. Who the hell ever enjoys or wants to be a part of something when it is forced on them without their consent and where they are being called heretical for their beliefs? The answer is no one does Charlie, not even you, I’ll bet.

        In closing Charlie and because I have already violated my own policy about discussing this topic, I wanted to respond to a couple of small items in your previous post which was directed at me personally and not centered around the topic at hand which is suppose to be the case. There are three in total and so, I’ll itemize them for easier reference. I no particular order, they are:

        (1) The, “ALL CAPS”, portion that has been attached to all of our names came from an evil place and has continued in it’s current manifestation because the structure of greed and corruption remains prevalent in our governmental structure. I do not accept it and try and separate myself form it as best I can but they have made it difficult.

        (2) Brainwashed by evil could very easily be an often viewed description of you Charlie. Here is my point. The Church, religion and the indoctrination into the individual teachings on their understanding of God is beautiful and. apparently necessary for some people to stay connected to their idea of a creator. Usually, it is because the entire concept is too huge for them to wrap their heads around and while the deities may be different and the ways they celebrate the joy found in their God as different as night and day, there remains something inescapable. None of them have God. There is a belief, a viewpoint, a hypothesis because of a supposed vision or something that came to their founders in a dream but nothing more. No one single word in any of the scriptures can be shown to be words that came from an almighty creator personally. What is taught, discussed and demanded of the parishioners in every religion is simply man … not God talking as a means of manipulating the masses. One look at the molestations and gaudy greed of the Catholic church who preaches both chastity and giving but fails to follow their prime mission statement as proof.

        (3) Not as smart as I think I am … Hardly Charlie, are you serious? I Am as smart as as am and while smarter than some perhaps, not as smart as many more. I know the things I know because I passionately search for truth in the correct understanding and will vigorously defend this understanding because I do not simply want the definition … I want every thing. If I am sure of it and have reached a point that I know it as good as can be known, then to stand by idly while someone else tried to alter it with falsehoods is not gonna be an enjoyable experience in their day. Likewise, if I haven’t reached that level of confidence them I may not go balls to the walls in an attempt at helping them to understand because I may not be quite ready to assume the role of teacher. That may be a humbling message for your to take heed to Charlie.

        Good luck to you in your quest Charlie.

      • http://none Charlie

        Attaboyslim,,,et al,,,
        It reads as you are a heathen ,,,IF,,,you will notice most of My comments contain “Scripture” ,I only get a little factual when some one start writing as if they are smarter than
        King Jesus ,,,once I point at Scripture My job is done per Ezekiel 3:18 …
        Can you prove any of your claimed “Intelligence” with any historical documentation ???
        No one has ever proved any of The Bible wrong,,,AND,,,only you will ever prove The Bible
        to You… At some point in time your knees will bend to King Jesus,,,see Isaiah 45:23, Romans 14:11,, Philippians 2:10………… Meanwhile We will,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Attaboyslim

          HeathernsRus … LunaticsRu.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        We have gave you answers to all you questions , but, your mind blocks you from investigating them … On the other hand ,you never once gave any documentation to back up what you said,,,for example , the 10 lost tribes have been found , I gave you a website to prove it but you rejected it on personality clash with Ted Weiland ,and you have
        the same problem with Me because We have told you some “Truths” which smashes your ego …
        Now for the lineage of Jacob Israel , it can be found in Genesis chapter one thru chapter 50… In those same chapters it will tell you who Jacob Israel and Esau Edom are…
        For the heathen nerd that made a comment ,,,what’s the big deal? ? His opinion is just that,,,did he back anything up with Scripture??? Meanwhile,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Frank Kahn

          There is no WE in your replies, and I can prove you have never answered a question. You have not even acknowledged that they were asked. You still refuse to answer the last two, and in searching your posts, nobody would even know they had been asked.

          I know that the last of the 10 lost tribes of Israel was reportedly found living in India a while ago. I disagree with that analysis of the situation, since they were lost to
          God, you cant report them as found simply by locating where they live.

          Ego has nothing to do with this, other than your egotistical attempt to prove you (whoever and whatever you are) are better than the real Christians you so blatantly abuse.

          The ridiculous statement that the other poster did not use scripture to prove his point about your narcissistic personality is truly delusional. I have never met you, I have no real idea who you really are, but, I am 99.999999999999999999999% certain that you are not in the Bible as a specific person.

          You have never, prior to this post, asked me for documentation to prove anything I have said. What proof do you want in support of my assertions? Why do you think I should provide proof when you have not? You simply state your opinions of your interpretations of the Bible. That is not proof, and siting scripture as proof of your interpretation is a logical fallacy known as circular logic.

          Since I have never met that person, I cannot have a personality conflict with him. I dont consider his thinking, that doing what you (his followers) do is a good thing, is a matter of personality as much as a deluded interpretation of some scripture that says go forth and force everyone to agree with your opinions.

          Genesis 1 has nothing to do with Jacob Israel so why did you include it in your generic and vastly generalized non-answer to my question.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Thanks for your joker comment , We think you should learn some communication skills, like reading between the lines … For your general information, a genealogy of Man starts with a Man,,,that man is named Adam ,it in Genesis chapter 1—4,,,but do as I said to find out who the people are in the land Area called Israel today … Notice the split in the genealogy at Esau and his twin brother Jacob,,,see Genesis chapter 25,,,study ,,,very close what these two brothers did AND what God did with these 2 Men ,,,they were , Hebrews ,,,NOT JEWS,,,Esau bastardized his lineage from the get go ,,,make a NOTE of that … OK when you finish reading Genesis chapter 1 thru chapter 50,,, come on back and We will tell you who Esau Edom is today,,,but IF you don’t believe The Bible is a Book that God / King Jesus had Written ,,, then return to school for a PhD in Dumbology ….
        Meanwhile , Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation………

        • Frank Kahn

          I did not make a Joker comment anywhere. There is no answers hidden between the lines of your babeling (and I spelled that right since it was babel not babbel). There is no meaning to your responses other than to further you self righteousness.

          You again used a word incorrectly, bastardizing is in no way a term you can use for him. And his name is not technically Esau Edom, He was called Edom because of what he did, not a name given by his parents at birth or later by God. He sold his birthright for a meal. The root word Bastard can not be modified to include this as a form of bastardization. He also took wives from the Canaanites which was against what his father said Jacob should not do. Although this is a transgression against his fathers wishes, those wishes were not said directly to him.

          Obviously, Jacob and Esau could not be Jews since that is a following of one of Jacobs sons.

          When you ask about who are the descendants of Esau are you speaking metaphorically or actual blood line?

          And to your most stupid truism, that all genealogy starts with a man, Adam. This was never a point of contention anywhere but maybe in your mind. My statements were focusing on the ability to (with documentation) trace a continuous line of ancestry from Adam to you or me. Once again you are falling into that sinful behavior of obfuscation and deception. To change what the Bible says are Gods words is almost blasphemy. To change my words is just stupid and immoral.

          Now, back to the number of the tribes of Israel. You have claimed many times in your tirade that the words in the Bible are the real truth and nobody can change them right?

          Since you demand that I read and agree with every word in your bible please read Genesis 49:28, pay close attention to its context in the preceding parts of Genesis. Look for the words “all these are the” ## “tribes of Israel”. Assuming that your Bible has the same Genesis that mine does, I think you will find it does not say anything about 13 tribes.

          So lets fight this battle over who knows what they are talking about using the words actually written in the Bible. Not your math by counting something you are sure you understand. Maybe it is possible that I can teach you the truth if you are willing to accept the facts.

          And, finally, where did you claim that I would find (your idea of proof) out about the descends of Esau, and the current residents of the country of Israel?

          Also, it would be a lot easier to follow the train of discussion if you would reply to this message instead of replying to yourself over and over.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn ,,,
        Well,,,you did read some Scripture ,,,BUT,,,you did not harmonize scripture , does Genesis 49:28 say 12 tribes of Israel ? You passed by what Genesis 48:1–6 says , that
        where Jacob Israel adopted in his son Josephs two sons as his … Dumbbell math indicates
        12+1=13… Better start reading your Bible in accordance with Psalm 119:160, which is the
        Bible equation for Truth… Meanwhile …………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation………….

        • Frank Kahn

          Actually name calling “dumbell math” is reducing your effectiveness. Actually if the 12 mentioned were just his sons then adding 2 of his grandsons would make it 14 not 13. And I am looking at a printout of all of Genesis 48 and have marked and counted every person named. Maybe they left someone out but, there are 11 sons named in Genesis 48:3-27 not 1-6. And that includes the name of Joseph, if you remove him and add his two sons since they are technically both a part of Josephs nation so you cant have both. Josephs nation was split into two by adding his two sons to the blood line of Jacob. This gives you a remaining total of 12 not 13. You can say there is still a nation of Joseph that is all the descendents of Ephraim and Manasseh, but then you would be duplicating all those descendents if you count the descendents of both separately.

          The eleven names given in order are
          1. Reuben
          2. Simeon
          3. Levi
          4. Judah
          5. Zebulun
          6. Issachar
          7. Dan
          8. Gad
          9. Naphtali
          10. Joseph
          11. Benjamin

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Well,,,according to My dumbbell reading skills ,,,you missed the Tribe of Asher, the second son of Zilpah… The 2 sons of Joseph were taken as one Tribe , Ephraim, because
        of what happened at Genesis 48:17–19… Figure it out or We’ll have to spoon feed the whole Bible to you… Anyway the people in the sand box called Israel are the people King Jesus named at Revelation 2:9 and 3:9… Meanwhile………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…………

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Once again you soil the truth that is Gods word. Once again you interpret passages to mean something other than what they are. The words do not say those in modern day Israel are the false Jews. Nor does it make any distinct demarcation of which Jews are false in a way that we may judge them. You are not allowed to judge the worthiness of any soul except your own, and that is even questionable. You condemn the citizens of the country Israel as worshipers of Satan on what authority? Those two passages do not say all Jews are worshipers of Satan, only the liars, the false Jews who no longer follow the path of God.

          I have he impression that this idiotic tendency you have is why you refuse to answer my question about who are the nation of Israel? I know you pretend that you have somehow answered a question that I have put to you but since that is a sin for which God must judge you and I pray for your death. Try to answer this one question before you died the second death. Remember what God said about the false believers, He will come swiftly and you do not know when he is coming. So, answer now before it is too late. Just one answer (without your insane scripture quoting) in your own words; WHO ARE THE NATION OF ISRAEL?

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        We’ll take that challenge by only telling you who they are NOT,,, they are NOT from the lineage of the Children of Israel …. We will continue to…………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Another BS claim by the god charlie, he says they are the children of Edom. PROVE IT

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Your vocabulary shortage is showing ,,,so,,, to prove My last comment , I checked with My
        Black’s Law Dictionary and it can be proven with “Prima facie evidence”… Now! you have already been given plenty of sources for evidences to prove My last comment, so , enjoy your research… We will continue to “Pray” and ………………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Frank Kahn

          I have told you before that you need to stop replying to yourself (possible schizophrenia) in these posts if you want to reference a previous post of mine.

          I have no idea what you are referring to when you say the Black dictionary proves it. So, it would be impossible for me to either confirm or deny your assertion. As far as my recollection (extremely precise) we were not directly discussing anything lately that has anything to do with Law, either Constitutional or Biblical.

          As to vocabulary, want to test yours against mine? Pick a subject, pick a language and pick a word. I will not only give you definitions but also provide accurate sentence usage to support the definitions.

          If you want me to supply links to the legal definitions I will do so but remember that multiple links in a post gets you delayed by the people running the site.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        You are telling Me how to use the format on this site,,,but,, don’t read the Bible,,,don’t know what a Black’s Law Dictionary is ,,,don’t want to do any homework ,,,want Me to spoon feed you info that is all over the web… Claim to have boogoos of Education but ask
        questions as a bumling Bible baffoone ,,,quibble over nonsense items that with your HI degree of Education should be able to “logic out” with your expanded mind …
        So,,,try to have a good day in some other sand box , since you can’t think outside your boxed in thinking and maybe, duped, deceived and deluded by the Satanic powers that be…. But don’t forget to , Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …
        Acts 2:38 is salvation………….

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          I know what Blacks Law Dictionary, I just dont see any connection with it and the post you were answering about the residents of the country of Israel. Which, by the way, was the post you were responding to when you mentioned it.

          The colloquial term is boo coo which comes from the French word beaucoup meaning a lot, much or many. Usage: I have boo coo (beaucoup) bucks (meaning I have a lot of money. You failed that one even in the spelling, unless you meant butt ugly education.

          Once again, you use lies and are a deceiver (sin punishable by death), I have read the Bible more time than you probably. The fact that you disagree with my knowledge and interpretations does not mean you have read it more or that you are absolutely correct in your opinions.

          Your behavior on this site indicates that you either have not read, did not comprehend (understand) or refuse to follow the words give to us in the Bible. Your words and actions are more in line with the possibility of Satanic influence than any of mine. You lied (deceive, Satan’s methods), you try to force your interpretations as the final truth and you use demeaning and insulting words when you dont get your way. None, nada, niente not one of these acts is Christian. I suggest you find a more suitable mentor in the area of religion to temper your beliefs in the way of a true Christian. And that goes for the rest of the CULT that you are associating with who are helping you right now to spew forth Unchristian behaviors. Acts 28:3 is not salvation. Ask God if I am right, since you seem to claim to be in personal touch with him for the absolute truth of words.

        • Frank Kahn

          Sorry my fingers got dyslexic it is Acts 2:38 that is not salvation

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Hey Christmas Turkey , I thought I told you to go play in some other sand box … Anyway thanks for the spell check … Who spoke Acts 2:38 ? What other Scripture gives Salvation and the Gift of The Holy Spirit ,all in one verse? Does Peter out rank Paul ? Why ? What does Matthew 16:19 say or prove? Is King Jesus, God ?… Do some home work and go play in the dirt , for dust you are and to dust shall you return……………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          This is not an inquisition, I did not say I would research all your stupid questions for you. Also, I will no longer respond to any post from you that is not as a reply to me instead of a reply to yourself

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        We already know the answers to most any question I ask ,,,the test was to find out what your hat size is… But I am happy you found another sand box to play in………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          you are still not replying to my posts

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        What did you reply to last ? What’s your hat size?

        • Frank Kahn

          I believe it was that language is not a science. What is your IQ? You are sill not replying to my posts.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn ,,,
        What’s My IQ got to do with your hat size???

        • Frank Kahn

          What does my hat size have to do with religion? You still dont reply to my posts.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Just trying to find out if you are a pin head or a fat head…………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          actually it is the third option I am an egg head.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Well,,, now, you are egghead exactly ,,you enjoy Easter egg hunts?
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Look up the definition of egghead it does not mean eating eggs. Also Easter is a pagan religion of fertility hence the Rabbit and the eggs.

  • old hillbilly

    Why not call QE3 what it is – counterfeiting!!? Both are identical, but one is politically correct benevolence… a leader throwing money to those who will follow & the other a felony and prison time. Counterfeiting takes your money today. QE3 replaces your nest eggs with worthless paper… & you wake up unable to work, after a lifetime of work, to find you nest filled with used toilet paper… & the golden years turned brown!

    The only roadblock is Hairy Reed… Remove Reed from his leadership role; then democrats and republicans alike can prosecute and resurrect the heritage of our country, by prosecuting Mr. Holder… and replacing him with a person of honor who will uphold our Constitution and statutes!

  • old hillbilly

    The phone shriek lady sums it up. She’s happy because she got something for merely being grateful for the gift & being more than happy to vote for and follow the leader for more! One might call it “alms for the poor voter.”

    If 47% unwavering supporters get free Obama phones without passing a tax to pay for it, then the 53% who are paying the phone company are paying for the free phones, not Obama. Free has a hook called regulation. Regulators tell providers to give free phones to faithful followers. In turn, regulators, who know someone must pay or providers go broke, in turn allows the provider to set prices wherever necessary to provide services for all.

    So it is… if half pay for the whole, their bills double… and granny who pays her bill pays double so shriek lady gets her free Obama phone.

    • Kate8

      Just remember that “free” is never really free. There is more behind it, just like the ‘benevolent’ offerings of HD converter boxes.

      They want everyone plugged into the Matrix at all times. Not only can they flood the phones with love for Obama, but it’s another means of delivering constant brainwashing and tracking of your every move.

      Fools.

      • http://none Charlie

        Love, is the price of freedom,,, just give back The Love that King Jesus gave You , and Love will cover a multitude of “”Sins””… See John 8:32… Meanwhile,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

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      Montana,,,
      Your view is severely scared and marred by the CEG murder of LeRoy…

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  • Dhip

    Bernanke has a problem but that problem has been created by Obama’s spending, spending, spending. Lord I hate this president for what he is doing to my country, andto me, a middle class who is being crucified by Obama.

  • Attaboyslim

    To those who have suddenly found themselves in a nonsensical discussion based on the words and viewpoints of a fanatic who makes outlandish statements … this clown may simply be trying to bait people into a confrontation, myself included. There are people with troubled minds and then there is the abyss of mental instability and the guy Charlie could be this person and I suspect this to possibly be a predictable pattern. I think he may be using different names as he searches for people of passion and h then engages them with crazier and crazier statements.

    “How much crazier could it be?”, you might ask. Pretty insane and I became involved with the guy before on the subject of 911 and while the vast majority of the comments stayed on topic, one seemed to be so far out of bounds that it seemed it had been categorized improperly. While we discussed September 11. 2001, the gut Christopher couldn’t contain himself from the topic of racism. I can remember nothing he said as showing Any opinion on 911 but there was no shortage of racial remarks and charges and each one seemed to raise to bar a litt6le higher.

    Here is the pathetically twisted aspect of his behavior. While claiming to be a black man who had suffered terribly at the hands of the white population and had reached a point in life where he could remain silent no longer nut there was a twist. In reality, he was a white male who looked to have lived a very comfortable life and mat have actually been one who had perpetrated racial hatred in his own life towards those he now misrepresented. Just always keep a fresh can of “Bull [expletive deleted] Spray” handy when this guy is around because he may need it occasionally. :)

    • http://none Charlie

      Attaboyslim,,,
      The Charlie you write of ,is that ,this Charlie Freedom ??? IF, so, thanks for the acknowledgement and paranoia from a heathen that needs to ……………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • Frank Kahn

        Once again Charlie (no freedom of thought) has abused the meaning of an American English word. Paranoid in its colloquial usage means to think someone or something is out to get you in some way. If the subject of the supposed paranoia is actually doing what you say they or it is doing then it is not paranoia. Even in a group “hysterical” paranoia it is still not paranoid to state the facts in support of the idea. Nor is an opinion of the views of someone any form of paranoia. Nor is it ignorant or heathenism to question your motives for spouting the things you say here.

        As to heathenism, what definition of the word heathen are you using? In most accepted modern usage it means a person who does not acknowledge God (monotheistic) in one of the three major religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam).

        So, since I agree with his main points that you do push (attempt to force by intimidation and name calling) your religious views on others here, and you never stick to the subject of the blog, you are guilty of what he said in his post. This in and of itself negates the label of paranoid.

        I have read posts from 4 members here and all of us have the same opinions of your religious postings. I have not, as yet, seen anyone supporting your views and methods. So, Charlie (where do you get the ridiculous idea of freedom) why do you continue to post inflammatory views and opinions here when we all want you to stop? And dont say that God commanded it because that is not what is in the Bible.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn, Attaboyslim, et al,,,
        Try to round up as many heathens as you can, and try to Prove any “Scripture” wrong IN CONTEXTS as called out at Psalm 119:160… The Bible concerns ALL subject matters, so, one that KNOWS The King’s Book , can jump into any subject matter with The King’s intelligence … You heathens have a BIG problem ,,,you don’t know The King or His Law Book! ,,,But,,,You can learn by following The King’s first 2 orders at Matthew 6:33,,,that is
        IF?,,,you are NOT among those named at Malachi 1:1–5….
        For your info, King Jesus is The Benevolent Dictator of The Universe and beyond …
        See that at Matthew 28:18…
        OK , dummies ,time to saddle up your warriors to do battle against The King’s Words,,,Or,,
        is it yoall just have a “personality clash” against Charlie Freedom ??? Anyway We will,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Frank Kahn

          First of all you use the word heathen incorrectly, look it up.

          This is not a battle of us against the word of God, it is a battle of us against you. This cannot take place because you are incapable of communication. Look that word up also since you probably think that you spouting your verse numbers is some kind of communication.

          You want to argue, then we will use the rules of the English Language and abide by strict definitions of words. You will not be allowed to change the meaning of any word just to suite your agenda. You will also be required to answer every question with your own words not just giving bible book, chapter and verse numbers. No abusive names will be allowed by you. You must identify your real name (Charlie Freedom is not it), and identify any other person with whom you consult.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Now I gotta go by the baal priest double standard English rules? just in case they did not
        teach you in school ,,,the English Language IS NOT A concrete science … What’s the 3
        definitions of the word “Jew”, according to The Bible? Find another sand box yet ?…

        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Language is not a science idiot. Respond (reply to my posts)

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Will science fiction be ok? Anyway…………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Would be happy to discuss science fiction if you think you are capable. The word I think should be will not well. You are still not replying to my posts

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        What planet are you from?

        • Frank Kahn

          What genus are you a member of? You still have not replied to my posts.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn ,,,
        A Confederate Christian that has worked above the Arctic circle and as far south as the equator …………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          that must be an answer to the voices in your head

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Yep………….

  • Chris

    Amen to THAT Dhip. As a federal government retiree, Obama has frozen my cost-of-living increases for 2 years and is now doing it for a THIRD year, and with the prices of food, utilities, etc., going up exorbitantly, I am feeling it. This is what Obama has done for “me”…..thank you Mr. President for screwing me 3 out of your 4 years in office. This middle class person is on the way to the POOR HOUSE.

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