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Proof That Obama Is Stark Raving Mad

March 21, 2013 by  

 

Our government-run public education system is very bad — so bad that generations of Americans educated in public schools don’t recognize idiots, economic illiterates, Ponzi schemes, frauds or Marxists when they see them. So I’m going to educate the masses with very simple examples that even a sixth-grader can understand.

Let’s compare America to your household. That makes it very simple and easy to understand.

Let’s say you make $50,000 per year, and you owe $250,000 in debt. You’re in deep trouble, right? One way or another, you are headed for bankruptcy court in the future.

Then you receive a credit line in the mail for $250,000. Are you rich? Of course not. That new credit line or credit card is not “income.” It’s a loan — to be paid back at high interest rates. You didn’t just gain $250,000. You just added $250,000 to your debt. You still make $50,000, but instead of owing $250,000 in debt, you now owe $500,000. You think you’re “saved.” Actually, you’re twice as broke as before. Insanity.

That’s exactly what Barack Obama is doing to the U.S. economy. He added $6 trillion in debt in only four years to “save” us from a terrible economy. Well, he didn’t save anyone. He just put all of us into much deeper debt. This debt will destroy the lives of our children and grandchildren. And the economy isn’t even better. It’s in shambles. If interest rates go up in the future, the entire U.S. economy will be destroyed by the debt.

But there is one part of the economy thriving: the stock market. That keeps going up because Obama has guaranteed the richest fat cats on Wall Street profits by the billions — from you! Yes, you’re paying for the richest people on Wall Street to get rich. Obama is stealing $85 billion per month from the taxpayers — mostly the middle class — to buy bonds that no one else wants and to buy mortgages that no one else wants, which automatically makes the stock market go up. That $85 billion per month that the Fed is printing goes straight to the bottom line of the biggest companies publicly traded on Wall Street. They get rich. Their CEOs get rich. Their shareholders get rich. The banks and hedge funds get rich. And you’re stuck with the bill.

Once again, those trillions of dollars printed by the Fed to make the stock market go up so Obama can act like the economy is getting better are not riches; they are debt. They are loans that need to be paid back by you, your children and grandchildren. Insanity.

Even worse, can you imagine if the $250,000 credit line that came in the mail to “save” you, was issued by you? That’s exactly what’s happening under Obama. We are so broke, so indebted, so insolvent that no one wants to buy our bonds anymore. That’s why the United States, Europe and Japan buy 60 percent to 90 percent of their own bonds. Do you understand what this means? That’s like your being so broke, so in debt, that you lend yourself the money to pay the bills you can’t afford.

Can you imagine if you owned a bank and gave yourself a $250,000 loan that no one else would give you because you are unqualified to handle more debt? You’d be destroying your own future, plus your own bank. You didn’t “save” yourself or your bank. You killed two birds with one loan. Insanity.

How about Obama’s claim that he “saved” the auto industry. Once again, it’s a combination of pure fraud and pure delusion. He didn’t actually “save” anyone. He just grabbed about $100 billion from the taxpayers — that’s you — to redistribute to auto unions so their members could continue to get their obscene unsustainable pensions and then kick back $100 million or so to Obama’s Presidential campaign. It’s called “pay for play.” It’s fraud, and someone should go to prison.

And, of course, we now know that the loss to taxpayers is at least $25 billion and maybe much more. So whom did Obama “save?” I could save any industry in the country by stealing $25 billion from taxpayers and handing it to that industry. But the reality is: You’re out $25 billion, folks. That’s more debt for your kids. They’ll be paying the interest on that debt decades from now, and they didn’t even get a lousy car out of the deal. Insanity.

What if your creditors agreed to a deal to restructure your debt, and they offered you the following deal: You owe us $250,000 and you can’t pay it back, so we’ll raise it to $500,000 and we’ll all agree things look better. Well that’s the “fiscal cliff” deal folks. To solve a debt crisis, we added $4 trillion to the spending and debt, and the President and Congress declared it a victory. Insanity.

What if things got so bad that you finally agreed to cut spending to save your personal economy? So you cut $10 per week to try to repay your $250,000 debt. Well, that’s the sequester, folks. We cut a measly $80 billion out of a $3.5 trillion budget, with more than $16 trillion in debt. We accomplished nothing. Insanity.

What if you were out of work for two years, and you got so discouraged that you decided to stop looking for a job and spend the rest of your life living off food stamps and disability; but because you’re not looking for a job anymore, you no longer consider yourself unemployed? That’s exactly how Obama can claim the unemployment rate is “improving.” Insanity.

Finally, here’s the most bizarre example of all. You are broke. Out of money. You can’t pay your bills. You still owe $250,000. Collection agencies are calling day and night. But you love the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt so much that you still write them a check for $25,000. That’s what Obama just did with your taxpayer money. Insanity.

I hope it’s all clear now. The U.S. economy is now best described as a combination of debt, fraud and delusion. And the CEO who runs it, President Barack Obama, is absolutely stark raving mad.

 

Wayne Allyn Root

(W.A.R.) is a former Presidential candidate, the 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee, and a Libertarian-conservative national media star. His new book, “The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide” is a #1 national best-seller in bookstores, as well as an Amazon #1 Finance and Conservative bestseller. A former CNBC anchorman and host (then known as Financial News Network), Root is the ultimate Capitalist Evangelist: a blue-collar S.O.B. (son of a butcher) turned CEO, small businessman, serial entrepreneur, business speaker, and TV/radio commentator on the topics of business, economics, entrepreneurship, and politics. Root is a regular guest on Fox News, as well as on hundreds of conservative talk radio shows across the United States. His opinions reach tens of millions of Americans as a regular columnist and commentator for many of the most popular political and business websites, including FoxNews.com. He also writes regularly for The Washington Times. He is the bestselling author of eight books. Root serves as national spokesman for several companies, as well as a Senior Economic Advisor. Root is also well known in the television and media industries. He has hosted, starred and produced many television shows. Today, he is a producer of the highest-rated television show on Travel Channel. Because of his success in the diverse fields of business, media, sports, entertainment and publishing, Root was awarded his own 180-pound granite star in the Las Vegas Walk of Stars. Only 60 legends in the history of Las Vegas have received a star on Las Vegas Boulevard. A native New Yorker and graduate of prestigious Columbia University, this Capitalist Evangelist proudly resides in Nevada, a state with no income tax. His website is ROOTforAmerica.com.

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  • phideaux

    I do not think obama is stark raving mad I think he blindly follows orders from his handlers and does not care what the consequences for others will be.

    • Mike in MI

      Why should he care?
      He’s been shown to have somebody else’s SSN. So, he isn’t a US citizen. So, what universe is he sending his cut of the loot – the skim from the top – that any other accomplished ghetto conman would demand?
      Also, is that what he is using to pay off you trolls, moles and progressive would be “Himmlers” and “Goebels” reincarnates that show up here all the time? What a bunch of suckers you all are that are working for him at your two-bit jobs (which he couldn’t do without). You shills aren’t even pulling down a reasonable cut from his windfall profit slice he’s sucking off. (You oughta search out where he’s burying it anyway. Just to get an idea.)
      You all show up here everyday, trying to make him look like the greatest boon the “little guy” ever had and he’s just taking you for a mental roller-coaster ride everyday while throwing you onion skins from the whole orb he and Mooch-elle are salting away somewhere for when the schtick ends. Whatcha’ gonna buy your wine with then?
      Just wait and see. When the ride is over the whole profit he’s going to pull out with will make you all – shills,moles,trolls and suckers – look like the biggest turds in the whole punchbowl. Doncha’ just love being his johns?
      And, those of you who are doing it for free … hell, who could put a name on that? You ain’t even gonna get kissed or slapped on the tush, afterwards.

      • Ted

        Well, their ya go. If only more people had their eyes open. Some do and still worship this slop….

      • JCfromDC

        Mike, can I quote this on my Facebook page?

      • wayne andrews

        Wow Mike, I don’t think that could have been said any better. Keep in mind that these are the retards for a HUGE government. The only reason I see any reason for this is they are too damn stupid to live their lives for themselves.

      • Mike in MI

        JCfromDC – Feel free to quote it if you’d like. Thanks for asking.

  • ? hcourtice

    Root, you are the one who is truly stark raving mad. The Obama administration has saved the country from the disaster and mismanagement of the Bush years.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Keep guzzling that Kool-aid, troll. Does the meager pittance that your handlers pay you keep you in pot and pills? When TSHTF you will receive your just reward.

    • Ted

      Noooo, Bush/Cheney just started the ball rolling. Your boy has been playing round after round with it ever since….

    • ? Chocopot

      Try doing some research before you show the world just how ignorant you are. The entire financial disaster we have suffered and which is still upon us was set up and orchestrated by the Democrats, with the Community Reinvestment Act being the main vehicle. Every time Bush tried to bring some sanity to the situation and end the madness, the Democrats (Chris Dodd and Barney Frank chief among them) put a stop to it and announced that there really was no problem. Bush had nothing to do with the financial disaster we are now enduring. Go home, troll, and hide under your rock.

    • wayne andrews

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    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

      hcourtice: Root, you are the one who is truly stark raving mad. The Obama administration has saved the country from the disaster and mismanagement of the Bush years.

      Yes! And he did that by adding an additional 6 trillion to the existing debt…so, according to Obama, the best way to eliminate the “debt” is by increasing the “debt”? Brilliant!!!

    • alpha-lemming

      ……….. (sound of head banging on the desk top)………..

      • Warrior

        Ouch! Stop it.

  • hipshotpercusion

    If the American people ever allow a central bank to issue their currency the banks and corporations that will grow around them, will first through inflation, then with deflation will rob the people of their wealth, and your children will end up homeless on the continent your fathers conquered. Thomas Jefferson

    Sound familiar?

    • Vigilant

      “The first part of the quotation (“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered”) has not been found anywhere in Thomas Jefferson’s writings, to Albert Gallatin or otherwise. It is identified in Respectfully Quoted as spurious, and the editor further points out that the words “inflation” and “deflation” are not documented until after Jefferson’s lifetime.”

      http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/private-banks-quotation

      • wayne andrews

        Does it really matter if he said it or not? No. You’re merely diverting from the topic at hand. The founding fathers warned us of the dangers of privitized banks. Its in the Constitution. Please…brush up if you even read it at all. Privitized banking systems were one of the reasons that the colonists fought for Independence.

      • STEVE E.

        Whoever said it, it’s is still coming true.

      • Vigilant

        You are correct in that the sentiment expressed, apocryphal or not, is a valid one.

        However, the Constitution does not expressly prohibit privatized banks. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall

        “McCulloch v. Maryland (1819) was one of several decisions during the 1810s and 1820s involving the balance of power between the federal government and the states where Marshall affirmed federal supremacy. He established in McCulloch that states could not tax federal institutions, and upheld congressional authority to create the Second Bank of the United States, even though the authority to do this was not expressly stated in the Constitution.”

        Your gratuitous statement, “Please…brush up if you even read it at all” is a swipe I don’t appreciate. I suspect I know more about the Constitution than most participants on this forum.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        wayne andrews says, “Does it really matter if he said it or not?”
        I sure does matter, wayne. Especially since we see so much quoting of old dead white guys by folks who are trying to puff up their arguments and make themselves look “important”. A “real” quote is just a BIT better than saying “Abe Lincoln might/should have/could have said this if he knew that I wanted him to say it”. Lord love a duck!

        And you say, “The founding fathers warned us of the dangers of privatized banks. Its in the Constitution.” That’s news to me—I want to “brush up” so point me to what article/section says that—–I don’t read my Constitution every day but it sits within easy reach. I wouldn’t mind hearing more also about “Privatized banking systems were one of the reasons that the colonists fought for Independence”—-where can I find that info?:

    • cork130

      Let’s start by stripping away the attacks, on the President and each other and look at the key issues:
      1) Mental Sanity isn’t the issue; it’s political and economic philosophy

      2) The basic laws of economics, like physics, are un changeable. Regardless of how much you want something to happen that is in violation of either physics or economic laws the outcome won’t vary. I wish I could fly but no matter how many times I jump off the roof flapping my arms I’m still going to fall to the ground.

      3)When a nation, any nation, goes into debt and doesn’t change it’s basic financial policies the outcome will always be the same. (Just look at Spain,Ireland, Greece, Italy for examples)

      3)If a Nation continues to spend more than its income their are only two probable outcomes, beyond going further in debt: a- Hyper Inflation or b-Devaluation of the currency

      4) Over the past 4 years the value of the US Dollar has dropped by approx 30%. This makes imported goods more expensive and, theoretically, exports more competitive. This is theoretical as other factors impact exports

      5) The key to government spending rarely is based on economics; almost always it’s political philosophy. As long as those in power believe it is the Governments job to provide everything for everyone, as long as they believe all decisions and power is best done and held by the government they will spend without consideration of the revenue or income side, other than to confiscate more and more of the producers, the owners and workers money

      Looking at the issue from this perspective it’s clear the problem isn’t sanity per se but a political desire to change the very fabric of our nation. A desire to consolidate all power and authority within a central government. A desire to make the people dependent on the government. A desire to change the fundamental belief that the people empower the Government and the Government being restricted by the Constitution to a government of unrestricted, unlimited power and authority.

      Many other countries have gone down that path and the result was the same for each; thousands, even millions of citizens murdered, unmotivated and unhappy workers, and a totally failed economies that have impoverish the majority of their people.

      This is the path Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the other Progressives want to take thinking they can make it work when no one else has because they are “smarter”.

      Is this insane? Perhaps but those who elect them certainly are!

    • cork130

      Let’s start by stripping away the attacks, on the President and each other and look at the key issues:
      1) Mental Sanity isn’t the issue; it’s political and economic philosophy

      2) The basic laws of economics, like physics, are un changeable. Regardless of how much you want something to happen that is in violation of either physics or economic laws the outcome won’t vary. I wish I could fly but no matter how many times I jump off the roof flapping my arms I’m still going to fall to the ground.

      3)When a nation, any nation, goes into debt and doesn’t change it’s basic financial policies the outcome will always be the same. (Just look at Spain,Ireland, Greece, Italy for examples)

      3)If a Nation continues to spend more than its income their are only two probable outcomes, beyond going further in debt: a- Hyper Inflation or b-Devaluation of the currency

      4) Over the past 4 years the value of the US Dollar has dropped by approx 30%. This makes imported goods more expensive and, theoretically, exports more competitive. This is theoretical as other factors impact exports

      5) The key to government spending rarely is based on economics; almost always it’s political philosophy. As long as those in power believe it is the Governments job to provide everything for everyone, as long as they believe all decisions and power is best done and held by the government they will spend without consideration of the revenue or income side, other than to confiscate more and more of the producers, the owners and workers money

      Looking at the issue from this perspective it’s clear the problem isn’t sanity per se but a political desire to change the very fabric of our nation. A desire to consolidate all power and authority within a central government. A desire to make the people dependent on the government. A desire to change the fundamental belief that the people empower the Government and the Government being restricted by the Constitution to a government of unrestricted, unlimited power and authority.

      Many other countries have gone down that path and the result was the same for each; thousands, even millions of citizens murdered, unmotivated and unhappy workers, and a totally failed economies that have impoverish the majority of their people.

      This is the path Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the other Progressives want to take thinking they can make it work when no one else has because they are “smarter”.

      Is this insane? Perhaps but those who elect them certainly are!

  • joe berger

    Oh dear…..How utterly misconceived.
    Whatever leads anyone to suppose that the National Debt will ever be paid by anyone.
    who will foreclose ? what is the reposessible collateral.? there is NONE.
    Japan has one of the most efficient economies in the world. Their debt is gigantic, but their interest rate hovers around ZERO. The size of the debt is totally irrelevant since it will NEVER have to be repaid…. except by the creation of new money. Since the principal and interest are now being paid with money created out of nothing.
    WHO CARES ??
    GET REAL..!!!!
    The real wealth of a country lies in the goods and services produced by its citizens.
    Money is just the paper that makes an economy function.
    How on earth is the National Debt relevant to anyone’s REAL LIFE ??
    All that matters is that most people have a job, and that people have a house and can eat and THAT INFLATION REMAIN LOW.
    What more do you want.?
    GET REAL !!!!

    • Warrior

      And when the “citizens” stop producing we get more GDP (Gubmint Domestic Products). Hooray, we’re saved! How bout we go to Chili’s tonight and spend our new found “wealth”?

    • p0rkch0pian

      Joe, your mind has been turned to Swiss Cheese by sundry progs, Fascists, and Marxists. As you ferment in your padded room, you have an opportunity to save yourself, with health doses of Milton Friedman and Henry Hazlitt. Enjoy.

    • Mike

      Joe, the problem is that Inflation is not nearly as low as they broadcast. Just like the “massaged” unemployment numbers, the Inflation Rate Calculation no longer takes Food & Energy into consideration. Those two areas of our cost of living have gone up in price faster and higher than any other area of our lives. The real inflation rate is somewhere between 4.5% and 5%. By simply printing our fiat currency into oblivion we are diluting its value and countries around the world are moving away from the USD as the trade currency. One of the biggest reasons that oil is at its current price is because most of the OPEC members no longer accept USD. Luckily, the Saudis still do, although I say “luckily” rather tongue-in-cheek.

      China has enough cash reserves right now to buy all the world’s gold twice over! And they are! By 2015 China will announce to the world that their currency is fully backed by Gold (and silver too), which will prompt the IMF to drop the fiat USD like a bad habit and make the Chinese currency the new global trading standard. You may be right about not having to payoff the debt, but if our solution is to just keep printing paper money than we’re putting our own necks in the hangman’s noose. A brief study of history teaches us this.
      I don’t care what is happening in Japan, nothing lasts forever. And I certainly don’t want to pay $125+ for a 2.5 lb lobster like they do in Japan. You want that?

    • TIME

      Dear Joe,

      WOW, I bet you figured all that out by the “Majic” of the rapacious mass media,

      But ~ fret not Joe, you did get one thing right, your last two words, Oh ~ yes they do apply, but ~ only to people like you who are still sleeping.

      But hey thanks for playing, SO be sure to look for your free gift in the mail.

      Peace and Love, Shalom..

    • Adolf Schmidt

      If that was true, we could all quit our jobs and wait for the government to print more money for us to live on. We could import all our food and cloths etc.. I still believe someone has to get stuck with the bill. You can’t get something for nothing.

    • http://yahoo bob

      what more do I want??? maybe for idiots [comment has been edited] to never hold an office.

    • momo

      There’s no such thing as a free lunch, someone has to pay.

    • Mike in MI

      Joe Brain-burger -
      Go somewhere like an old book depository of some sort and find an history book that discusses the progression of economic events in Post-WWI (That stands for After World War One) Germany and the Weimar Republic. Do not rely on the recently issued re-engineered and misrepresented conceptions of history put out to beguile and defile the minds of the Polly Anna people like yourself who’ve recently been regurgitated out on our streets by teacher’s unions.
      Then ask yourself two questions:
      1.) Presidents John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan took dismal economies and turned them around in short order to booming freedom and economic prosperity, by what similar policy actions;
      2.) Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Carter, later Geo. Bush (one), Clinton and Bush (two) instituted policies that ratcheted prosperity down to our present misery (which has been made infinitely worse into perpetuity) by Joe Cool and his herd of mid-east camel jockeys, by what similar policies?.
      Now, ask how (?) and why (?) and what kind of differing philosophies are evident?

      Don’t kid yourself that there isn’t anything that represents collateral to someone who expects his payback. Remember, loan sharks exercise their options according to their whims.
      Unless you have been bought out of the system by someone who paid for your ransom – like Jesus Christ did for me and others of us who come here – your body, mind, estate, kids and the rest of your time on earth are owned and valuable.

      Don’t think slaves make decisions about their future, either.

    • Frank Kahn

      I am surprised that GALT has not yet entered into this discussion. Maybe he is busy with real life and not gotten around to it yet.

      I am not an economist, I don’t support the policies of Obama, I believe that austerity (balanced budget) is a good thing. I believe the way the stimulus was handled by Obama was bad. The fear mongering about the sequester is wrong.

      However, timing is everything, austerity is good, but not now. To cut spending by the government, during an economic crisis, will exacerbate the problem. The trickle down effect of public spending will damage the economy. Public expenditures support jobs by purchasing goods and services. The people who provide these goods and services contribute to the economy. Their contributions, through spending money for other goods and services support other jobs. Properly handled, stimulus is able to transfer private debt to public debt. This reduces the amount of money citizens have to pay for their debt. That frees up more of their money for discretionary spending which boosts the economy. This is a form of debt forgiveness.

      You said:

      “The real wealth of a country lies in the goods and services produced by its citizens.
      Money is just the paper that makes an economy function.
      How on earth is the National Debt relevant to anyone’s REAL LIFE ??
      All that matters is that most people have a job, and that people have a house and can eat and THAT INFLATION REMAIN LOW.
      What more do you want.?”

      I have already tried to give a very rudimentary explanation of how National (public) debt is relevant to real life (private debt). Now, to the assertion that a low inflation rate is absolutely good.

      If you just look at inflation in the area of how much you pay for goods and services, compared to your income, then it is a problem. If, however, you look at inflation’s effect on your assets values, it is entirely different. If you consider the possibility that inflation is, say 10% per year across the board. If you own a $100K house (asset), in less than 10 years your house (asset) has increased to $200K. If you originally had a $90K loan on it, you had a 10% asset above debt net worth. In 10 years you would have a 55% asset above debt net worth. Also, if your income level had kept pace with inflation, you would have a smaller percentage of your income going towards paying your debt, which would give you more discretionary spending money.

      Now, the reality of inflation and austerity are much more complex than what I am putting forth, but I wanted to give a small example of why it is not always good to think short term when it comes to economic conditions and policies.

      I am sure that GALT could explain the full impacts and considerations on this subject better than me. I am also almost as certain that RBT will come in and accuse me of pretending to be an expert on the economy. As I said before, I am not an economist, I just see certain aspects of how some things work.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        No, Frank, I will not accuse you of pretending to be an expert on the economy and economics. We all know that you “pretend” to be an expert on nearly every topic you address—-no sense repeating that—-it’s self evident.

        I WILL say that you made some sense for extended periods in this little essay, although in other places you got quite confused and wandered off into La-La land. Some of it may have been “typos”, like the “trickle down” sentence in the first paragraph—you may have got it backwards by accident.

        I am pretty well -educated on economics but claim no special expertise—-I will leave it to others who know more to help you “organize your thoughts” here. Giving it a quick glance, you have made a half decent start, much better than you do on things “scientific”.

  • WorldWatchman

    Interesting point phideaux BUT, who are his handlers? This I’ve wondered about for some time. It’s obvious they put him in the Whitehouse even thoough he’s not legal but, what is their ultimate goal? They see themselves as our gods but, is destroying the Constitution and replacing it with Communist setting with them in the ivory towers their ultimate goal? Just what is it?

    • ? Chocopot

      His handlers are George Soros and some other, generally unknown, uber-wealthy leftists who want a one world government – with them in charge, of course. Rather than call it Communism, I think feudalism would be more accurate. They will serve as the lords of the manor and everyone else will be a peasant, toiling to an early grave to serve and benefit them while they throw you a few scraps and expect you to be grateful for even that. That is where we are headed.

    • S.C.Murf

      WW, the ones that control the money, the bankers of the world. They are playing us and they are the ones calling for the wars our son’s and daughter’s are dying in. They are the one’s that need to be taken out. They told Bush and the American Govt. to go to war in Iraq so as to split up that country into thirds and it would be a threat no longer for their agenda. TIME to make that popping sound people and make a stand. But we will still have the likes of flashless, jopa and the rest that say it is the repubs. fault and they will be the first taken out

      up the hill
      airborne

  • Chris Condon

    A fine article, but I doubt that we will paying down these debts decades from now. The more likely outcome by far is that the government will collapse, the top leaders will flee the country, the debts will be repudiated, and the people expecting to be repaid will end up holding the bag.

    • STEVE E.

      That is exactly what is going to happen.

  • FreedomFighter

    100% dead on Mr Root

    “TO CONQUER A NATION FIRST DISARM ITS CITIZENS” —ADOLF HITLER

    You wonder why DHS or Department of Human Sacrifice buys 2 billion bullets, why all the machine guns, why all the light armored tanks, why all the guard dogs, why are they activating FEMA camps, why are they buying up all the civilian ammo supplies, why!? There is no outside enemy, no invasion force threatening the United States, no current sign of open rebellion in the streets just Americans going about daily business as usual.

    Only one reason can be deduced from current actions:

    It is preparation for the Collapse of the monetary system and then Socialist/Communist/fascist cabal takeover of the United States by force of arms.
    The cabal is already trying to remove term limits for Obama. The house has not defunded Obama Care, the TSA, DHS, yet have defunded our military, firefighters, police and released thousands of Latino gang members not just drunks (was a chaos deal struck to help bring about Martial Law with drug lords?)

    What about the drone program for US Soil?

    In an essay published by the United States Army Combined Arms Center, Pryer laments how the use of unmanned drones – which kill 50 innocent civilian for every suspected terrorist – are perpetuating wars and endangering America’s global reputation. He then makes a stark warning that the drone strike program is merely a pre-cursor to the kind of nightmare technocracy depicted in the Terminator movies.

    “It seems heart-breakingly obvious that future generations will someday look back upon the last decade as the start of the rise of the machines,” writes Pryer, adding that the US government is developing, “robots so advanced that they make today’s Predators and Reapers look positively impotent and antique. These killer robots, though, will share one thing in common with their primitive progenitors: with remorseless purpose, they will stalk and kill any human deemed “a legitimate target” by their controllers and programmers.”

    http://www.infowars.com/us-army-colonel-issues-warning-about-remorseless-killer-robots/

    drone strike program is merely a pre-cursor to the kind of nightmare technocracy depicted in the Terminator movies.

    That’s why they want them – power and control.

    America – On The Brink Of Civil War
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fZDaRlzBjk

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • Thomas the Doubter

    Excellent description of the problem. What is the actual solution?
    If nothing is done, what is the natural outcome of this situation and what’s the timeline?
    I don’t think calling the President mad is a great starting point, even if it appears to be
    true. I do find it a bit hypocritical of the leader of a failing nation, to be always in the
    media spotlight, ‘ partying, playing, golfing, vacationing, either going or returning, showing off his dance/singing skills, etc etc etc…. when does he get serious?, or is it
    already too late to get serious about anything but the nations wake?

    • Mike in MI

      Thom -
      What do you mean get serious?
      Remember “MAD” magazine and “What, me worry?”.
      That’s him. Why should he worry or get serious? He’s as serious as a boil in your neighbor’s crotch. It ain’t no problem to you.

      Research Orly Tait and Obama’s Social Security Number. Then, make your own conclusions about whether or not “Serious” is in his vocabulary.

  • http://www.porkchopiansnation.info p0rkch0pian

    Comrade-Tzar imam Barack Hussein Adolf Benito Josef Obamsky is NOT insane; he is a certifiable, dedicated Marxist – with islamic tendencies – whose purpose is destruction of U.S. culture and our economy.

    • Don 2

      Finally, somebody got it right! Obama is not destroying America because he is stupid. This is the plan. The stupid ones are his worshipers, those who voted for him, and the simpletons who continue to defend his policies on this site.

  • Jeff

    Joe, you think if interest rates stay near zero, the game will go on forever? You think inflation is near zero as well. Have you been to a grocery store? The purchasing power of your money is not the same today as it was in 2008.

    You have to be delusional. How many historical examples do you need? Argentina, Zimbabwe, Russia, Weimar Germany, France, England, the Roman Empire, etc, etc!

    The purchasing power of a Fiat currency does not last forever. The stage is being set globally for the next depression. Japan, Europe, and even our country to a large degree are in shambles. Papering over problems does not SOLVE them!

    • joe berger

      first question what gov’t programs would you cut.?
      I’d certainly cut the military.
      The USA has almost nothing in common with most of the examples you cite.
      It is however… VERY MUCH a civilization in decline.
      Every civilization in history grows out of a rigid class structure. Every civilization in history is RACIST…. All believed in some form of slavery and were willing to dominate and subjugate their neighbors. All were able to reproduce themselves and were willing to fight for its survival.
      WW2 spelled the beginning of the end of Western Civilization. The West fought and died for “uncle” Joe Stalin. so he could occupy most of Europe. He then went on to ” communize” China, Korea, Vietnamm, Cambodia, etc. The Social Democrats ( the democratic wing of Marxism) took over all Western countries. The Marxists won and we lost. England … the greatest power the world had ever known. is today a pitiful decaying, degenerate society with a birth rate that will guarantee the extinction of its original white inhabitants If you think importing people from the most non productive countries in the world to replace the British is going to work .. you are sadly mistaken. The concept that all peoples are equal in ability is a totally Marxist idea that make no more sense than supposing that all breeds of dogs are equal When the police canine units are composed of Greyhounds and cocker spanials i will believe the Marxists.
      Civilizations are constructed out of spiritual and genetic CAPITAL. The Japs and the Germans were bombed back into the stone age. but still they recovered economically. although Germany has now lost its soul ( And been Americanized) and will certainly follow the West into oblivion and extinction. But the Moslems totally reject Marxism and that is why they will win in the end. As Boumedienne said already in 1975 We Moslems will conquer you with the wombs of our women. Look around you … as the West decays the Moslems will certainly take over. our present birth rate gives us and all white countries a half life of about 50 years. What will happen when whitey becomes a minority, bordering on extinction. Look at Africa or Asia or the middle east for a glimpse of our future. And the Republicans are infected with social Marxism just as much as the Democrats. The white mans last hope was the non Communist Europeans of 75 years ago, but we destroyed them completely in favor of Joe Stalin. WE ARE FINISHED as a civilization. Such is the legacy of Marx.

  • dan

    debt ,fraud and delusion….nailed it

  • Jeanette

    If one looks at his destructive behavior from the perspective that it is intentional, he does NOT appear insane.

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      EXACTLY…..It’s not mad if you realize he hates America & all it sands for…..film, “2016″ nails it!!! No one can be this stupid, can they???

  • Flashy

    Wayne “Romney in a landslide’ Root once again plays fast and loose with reality, showing that his attendance at the CPAC Conference (Crazy people Acting Crazy) indeed was his cup of tea.

    Where to begin? 6 trillion in debt by this administration? Try again. 4 trillion..and the main result of that 4 trilion was the legacy from the GOP Conservatives as they did their best to ruin this nation’s economy. Oh…as is the reglar fare, the wacked contingent will say “the Dems controlled COngress the last two years!”…ignoring that the Congress turned party’s in January 2007, and the economy started falling in the summer of 2007, frefalling in 2008. So with a slim majority, and a GOP Admin intent on war and spending, somhow the Dems were responsible for not implementing policies to ease the fall. yeah…only those who shirk responsibility and act like petulenat children would say it was the Dem fault. Own it folks…you gave us this economy..own it. Quit behaving like sniveling cowards.

    The Fed buyout? Sure…the fed is not the arm of the US government. That and by all economists accounting, the Fed actions have salvaged this ecnomy to be the one major economy on solid footing around the world showing at least growth. As compared to the triple dip recession Europe is going through (as result of what policies the crazies insist upon)

    It sickening the ay the crazies insit on bringing this nation to ruin. Socially, economically, foreign affairs…not one segment is untouched in their zealous cries for destroying this nation, this society, and placing us no higher than a third level country (not nation).

    Wayne…i’d say go away and enjoy your winning from the bracket picks…but somehow your success isn’t a given…trsut us, Liberty isn’t going to win it all. But then…that’s the symbol of your predictions and writing…you can’t pick a winner because you aren’t. neither is anyone reading and beoieving this trash called an article.

    • Warrior

      Oh look! At the bottom of that “slippery slope”, it’s “quicksand”. Enjoy the “fall”.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        Flashy is always telling us how Fox-News spreads nothing but lies, hate and can’t be trusted. But based on all of Flashy’s posts, is it safe to assume that Flashy works for Fox-news?

    • Tommy cunningham

      16,4 trillion “now”10.3 trillion when “Obama” took office = 6 trillion. Did u not pay attention in math class

      • Ted Crawford

        These poor Progressives have been seduced into the Progressive Coven of Useful Idiots. Their leaders, have convinced them they are completely unable, on their own, to make any sound determinations. It’s much better, they tell them, to just accept what we say! In other words ” Don’t believe your lying eyes, we will tell you whats right”
        They, seemingly have no accounting skills whatsoever, and probably haven’t even been in the same room with the Constitution!

    • Stach

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    • momo

      Flashy says: “The Fed buyout? Sure…the fed is not the arm of the US government. That and by all economists accounting, the Fed actions have salvaged this ecnomy to be the one major economy on solid footing around the world showing at least growth. As compared to the triple dip recession Europe is going through (as result of what policies the crazies insist upon)”

      The FED’s actions have salvaged this economy for whom, flashman? Maybe for the banksters that make up the fed. The government sells t-bills, the fed buys them up with printing press money, and the banksters collect the principal and interest from the good old American taxpayer. The only people making money on this deal are the thieving crooks who run Wall Street, the same people who give Obama and the nitwits in the GOP their marching orders.

  • Chris

    Maybe he’ll pull a “Cyprus”. As long as we have a job and a roof over our heads, we should not be concerned with the national debt and the runamok spending? Tell me “THAT” the next time they raise taxes………cause one way or another………THEY’RE gonna get it from ya.

  • Faye Shamblin

    Maybe not insane but he’s a criminal he has committed crimes prior and after being fraudly elected to office Obama is mean and has no intentions of keeping America free nor the people he intends to become a dictator of America and I don’t understand why the House has not filed charges for fraud and treason impeached and sent to prison myself I would want a death sentence just the way he killed the 4 Americans in Libya I want rid of Obama however the sentence may fall as long as he is not in the office of president nor any other government office and I would like to see Chicago and its gangsters put in prison and they should die Holder is another one of those gangsters as well as Obama Reid is a criminal with the land purchases he did illegally Pelosi and Feinberg are just plain nuts and should be put out of Office due to look how much debt California is and what have they done to help their own state so why should they have any rights over the entire America you see we just have too many liars theifs and murderers in the WH So get rid of all NOW

    • Tim L.

      You want to talk about criminals, were you around when the Bush/Cheney gang were running things? How many thousands of americans were murdered in the two insane wars that Bush/Cheney lied us into? Those criminals spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, committed war crimes (Random Torture of anyone they deemed to be an enemy). I’ll just bet you cheered them on, didn’t you?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        Tim L: You want to talk about criminals, were you around when the Bush/Cheney gang were running things? How many thousands of americans were murdered in the two insane wars that Bush/Cheney lied us into? Those criminals spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, committed war crimes (Random Torture of anyone they deemed to be an enemy). I’ll just bet you cheered them on, didn’t you?

        If you check all of the wars and military actions of the 20th Century — World War I, World War II, Korea, Cuba (Bay of Pigs), Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq and Kosova — I believe you will find a Democrat in the White House when most of them were fought. Members of both political parties supported most of these wars, although there were almost always dissenters.

        The troops we have in foreign countries at this time were sent with the approval of (both) political parties. Members of both political parties have approved treaties in which we are committed to defend other countries.

        It is true that President George W. Bush, with the approval of Congress, sent our troops into wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, but do you think that only Republicans get us into foreign entanglements?

      • Uknowho

        Jay,

        As much as you wish to avoid reality, Iraq was ALL Bush/Cheney’s idea. They started that ball rolling, they wanted that war for their defense and oil industry friends and they all made out like bandits.

        After 9-11, it wasn’t Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton knocking on Bush’s door demanding we invade Iraq. It was Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearle, Wolfowitz and Rice spinning that web of lies and deciet. I know how many times Cheney went to the CIA in langley to get someone, ANYONE to lie for him.

        What do we have to show for 3T in total cost, over a 100K Iraqis dead and over 4K Americans dead and tens of thousands injured?

        China has easier access to Iraqi oil and Iran has a free hand in Persia.

        Well done conservatives… You have just screwed this country as bad as Johnson and the Democrats did in Vietnam.

        You should be proud… (not really, Bush Inc should be in jail)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        The Democrats who voted to support the war and rationalized that vote by making false claims about Iraq’s WMD programs – a minority of Democrats, but much over-represented in Democratic leadership councils – were responsible for allowing the Bush administration to get away with lying about Iraq’s alleged threat.

        Here on the tenth anniversary of the Iraq War, it is important to remember that it was not just those in the Bush White House who were responsible for the tragedy, but leading members of Congress as well, (some of whom are now in senior positions in the Obama
        administration).

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        unowho: As much as you wish to avoid reality, Iraq was ALL Bush/Cheney’s idea.

        Well, they were certainly the “front-men”, no argument there…

        unowho: They started that ball rolling, they wanted that war for their defense and oil industry friends and they all made out like bandits.

        True! They made out like bandits, big-time…but there are also others who made out like bandits…

        151 members of Congress invested close to a quarter-billion in companies that received defense contracts of at least $5 million in 2006. These companies got more than $275.6 billion from the government in 2006, or $755 million per day, according to FedSpending.org, a website of the watchdog group OMBWatch.

        Congressmen gave themselves a loophole so they only have to report their assets in broad ranges. Thus, they can be off as much as 160 percent.

        In 2004, the first full year after the present Iraq war began, Republican and Democratic lawmakers—both hawks and doves—invested between $74.9 million and $161.3 million in companies under contract with the DoD.

        In 2006 Democrats had at least $3.7 million invested in the defense sector alone, compared to the Republicans’ “only” $577,500. As the war raged on, so did the billions of profits—and personal investments by Congress members in war contractors, which increased 5 percent from 2004 to 2006.

        Investments in these contractors yielded Congress members between $15.8 million and $62 million in personal income from 2004 through 2006, through dividends, capital gains, royalties and interest.

        Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), who are two of Congress’s wealthiest members, were among the lawmakers who garnered the most income from war contractors between 2004 and 2006: Sensenbrenner got at least $3.2 million and Kerry reaped at least $2.6 million.

        Members of the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees which oversee the Iraq war had between $32 million and $44 million invested in companies with DoD contracts.

        War hawk Sen. Joe Lieberman (IConn.), chairman of the defense-related
        Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, had at least $51,000 invested in these companies in 2006.

        Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), who voted for Bush’s war, had stock in defense companies, such as Honeywell, Boeing and Raytheon, but sold the stock in May 2007.

        So you see, uknowwho, Bush and Cheney “got high with a little help from their friends”.

        uknowho: After 9-11, it wasn’t Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton knocking on Bush’s door demanding we invade Iraq.

        Not true! Many Democrats supported the Iraq war before turning against it. But the prominent of Democratic flip-floppers were, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry, who made a tidy sum investing in the war. The very same people who spent years beating up George Bush were the very ones beating the drum for Iraq’s regime change and Saddam’s ouster.

        uknowho: It was Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearle, Wolfowitz and Rice spinning that web of lies and deciet. I know how many times Cheney went to the CIA in langley to get someone, ANYONE to lie for him.

        Not exactly a revelation…but they weren’t the only principal participants. Sorry to burst your bubble.

        unknowho: What do we have to show for 3T in total cost, over a 100K Iraqis dead and over 4K Americans dead and tens of thousands injured?

        We have nothing to show for it. Perhaps you should have invested.

        uknowho: China has easier access to Iraqi oil and Iran has a free hand in Persia.

        Again, not exactly a revelation.

        uknowho: Well done conservatives… You have just screwed this country as bad as Johnson and the Democrats did in Vietnam.

        It takes two to “Tango”, uknowho. Both parties work together for the obvious benefits…so both parties have done extremely well in screwing this country.

        uknowwho: You should be proud… (not really, Bush Inc should be in jail)

        Incarcerating Bush and Chaney would be a good start…but don’t stop there.

      • Dave

        Jay,

        As I said, the war was Bush Inc’s idea…It started with that group of criminals. Hillary, Pelosi, Reid did not get that ball rolling. In the end, 21 Democrats and 1 Republican have any moral fiber here to deny Bush the war, the rest will not get my vote for anything… Not even dog catcher.

        We should be going back to only going to war Congres declares it and there is a draft so their sons and daughters have skin in the fight.

        Many Democrats were complicit. Thanksfully Obama’s record on his opposition to this BS has been consistant. That allowed me to vote for Obama in good conscience.

        And you are right, Bush/Cheney should be in jail. Bush was the worst president we have had since the civil war and I find it comical when the conservatives even try and put Obama in the same universe. Obama can’t even sneeze without the GOP filibustering it in the Senate and the GOP in the House calling for Obama’s head for spreading viruses that are obviously the product of kenyan based-marxist experiments in order to destroy Ameica.

        The reality is that Obama is just another corporatist. I had hope that Obama would govern with some real liberal values but alas, he is as much about corporate welfare and keeping the fat cats in power as any GOP president. I had hope for a while that Obama would be the Teddy Rooselvelt we needed but he is just another avg President caught in a hyper-partisan Congress.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        Dave: The reality is that Obama is just another corporatist. I had hope that Obama would govern with some real liberal values but alas, he is as much about corporate welfare and keeping the fat cats in power as any GOP president.

        In total agreement!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

    Boston University economics professor Laurence J. Kotlikoff, who served as a senior economist on President Ronald Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers, says the U.S. debt totals $211 trillion, which is more than 15 times the official figure.

    “We have all these unofficial debts that are massive compared to the official debt,” Kotlikoff tells National Public Radio. “We’re focused just on the official debt, so we’re trying to balance the wrong books.”

    Kotlikoff explains that when America’s “unofficial” payment obligations such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits are included, the debt becomes almost exponentially greater.

    “If you add up all the promises that have been made for spending obligations, including defense expenditures, and you subtract all the taxes that we expect to collect, the difference is $211 trillion,” says Kotlikoff, adding that politicians have chosen their language carefully to keep most of the problem off the books.

    “That’s our true indebtedness.”

    Kotlikoff notes that about 78 million baby boomers are poised to collect about $40,000 each in the next 15-20 years. “Multiply 78 million by $40,000 — you’re talking about more than $3 trillion a year just to give to a portion of the population,” he says.

    “That’s an enormous bill that’s overhanging our heads, and Congress isn’t focused on it. “Why are these guys thinking about balancing the budget?” he asks. “They should try and think about our long-term fiscal problems.”

    http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Kotlikoff-US-debt-trillion/2011/09/01/id/409412

  • Joe V.

    And none of this happened under any other President, right? We’ve been skiing the slipperiest of slopes for years and years. Now we have someone to blame while we have our blinders on. Great!

    • Wayne

      No joe, it has been going on for years. The difference now is that Obama is tripling its rate. More so than ALL of the other presidents combined. Which part of your uneducated ass doesn’t get that.

    • alpha-lemming

      Never has the time been so right to institute the progressive utopia. Ergo, the “frog in the pot” isn’t fast enough any more…. they’ve gotta do it NOW….. so we’ve tossed right into the microwave.

  • DavidL

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

  • Mojo101

    If you were to use the same basket of goods they used in 1990 that formed the CPI, inflation would be 9.2% for 2012. What does this all mean……Seniors are taking a royal screwing by our gubmint! First, their retirements accts are not growing and second, their social security does not reflect cola!!

    • Ted Crawford

      ” The way to crush the Bourgeoisie is to grind them between the Millstones of Taxation and Inflation” & ” A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the Bourgeoisie” Lenin
      Where have we heard this Class Warfare rhetoric lately?

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

    Mr. Root: Is Obama “stark-raving-mad”? Yes, and so are his followers…

    Liberal vitriol is a form of rhetoric that left-wingers commonly put on display in an attempt to malign the opposition. Like other forms of speech such as race baiting, liberal vitriol takes hate to extremes, primarily in political discourse. The main-stream media is guilty of such conduct and they focus exclusively on an anti-conservative message while hiding known instances from Democrats and pretending to be objective. After the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords, Democrats introduced legislation targeting the inciting of violence against political officials.

    Pollster Frank Luntz specifically pointed to liberal online outlets – the Huffington Post, MoveOn.org and the Daily Kos, “Read the comments from people and maybe one out of five would qualify for violence.”

    Could the President’s own statements influence a deranged Jared Loughner to commit murder? The media stays silent on the matter.

    Notice the “trigger-words” from the “community-organizer” to incite his “useful-idiot” to violence…

    Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
    Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
    Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
    Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
    Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose a** to kick.“
    Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
    Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
    Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
    Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

    In Wisconsin, 18 different Republicans receive death threats in the week Gov. Scott Walker passed labor union reforms.

    In an editorial January 2011, Frances Fox Piven called for a violent revolution, asking the jobless to rise up in a violent show of solidarity and force.

    Jared Loughner may have been influenced by a January 6th, 2011 DailyKos post title “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!”?

    The DailyKos had a picture of a target on Giffords because she was a centrist.

    A Halloween display made news for a life-size doll resembling Sarah Palin hanging in West Hollywood.

    Keith Olbermann reporting on a liberal student “This student doesn’t care about the U.S. and doesn’t consider it his own country. He wants to shoot George W. Bush because in his opinion he is the worst president ever. And he wants to be known as a national hero. Can’t see anything wrong with that idea.”

    Liberal talk show host and Huffington Post writer Charles “Karel” Bouley was fired in 2008 for calling for the death of Joe the Plumber in a profane rant.

    Bush Assassination Movie Wins Award at Toronto Film Festival.

    Former Democrat Congressman from Pennsylvania Paul Kanjorski said, “That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida. Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him.”

    What we are dealing with, folks, is a seriously disturbed individual, (Obama), who’s followers are prepared to commit the most “heinous” of acts, if necessary, against anyone who opposes their agenda, or criticizes their “monstrous-leader”!

    • FreedomFighter

      Civil war is coming after the economic plug is pulled.

      (other post got pulled, dont understand why, but ok)

      Even so, it all ties together – economic fall, martial law, then they push the NWO down your throats. Its why they want your weapons, once taken you are slaves. Americans are not prepared for what is coming.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • S.C.Murf

        FF the NWO is here and has been for some TIME. Just received the Modification for Hazard Communication Standard dictated by the U.N. called the Golbally Harmonized System of Classification and Labeling of Chemicals and our Govt. O.S.H.A. says we will do this and have our employees trained on the changes by the end of 2013. It’s so we are on the same page about chemicals as France, China, Germany etc etc etc. The U.N. is already telling our Govt. what they are going to do. Look to the heavens people for your TIME is at hand.

        up the hill brother FF
        airborne

    • Flashy

      WTS..anytime i deal with the crazed wacked minority of right wing extremists, I wonder why the lunatic asylums aren’t showing better gains on the market. Could it be y’all ar sending your hard earned money to the controllers trolling you with heated rhetoric to grab your dollars?

      As to you paste job above…you ralize do you not, it’s a bunch of out of context and made up quotes.

      Take this one…”Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose a** to kick.“ … It wasn’t the ‘private sector” the Presidetn ws speaking about…it was BP as the Gulf Spill was reaching the disaster levels it did. he was speaking at a conference, saying he was studying reams of data and analysis and reports. Tat exact quote was concerning scientists, marine biologists and regulators…and concerned government oversight as well as BPs own acts. He was “talking to those people” (i.e. scientsits etc)

      Heck, knowing the wacked contingent is a group of nutcases, y’all are probably going to start with a sympathy plea for BP

      Please…if you can’t handle reality, check yourself in.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        WTS..anytime i deal with the crazed wacked minority of right wing extremists, I wonder why the lunatic asylums aren’t showing better gains on the market. Could it be y’all ar sending your hard earned money to the controllers trolling you with heated rhetoric to grab your dollars?

        “Projection”…thank you for being so honest, however, unbeknownst to you.

        As to you paste job above…you ralize do you not, it’s a bunch of out of context and made up quotes.

        Take this one…”Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose a** to kick.“ … It wasn’t the ‘private sector” the Presidetn ws speaking about…it was BP as the Gulf Spill was reaching the disaster levels it did. he was speaking at a conference, saying he was studying reams of data and analysis and reports. Tat exact quote was concerning scientists, marine biologists and regulators…and concerned government oversight as well as BPs own acts. He was “talking to those people” (i.e. scientsits etc)

        False! It is no secret that the “mad-man” in office hates the “private-sector” with an all consuming passion, and naturally, so do you!

        Flashy: Heck, knowing the wacked contingent is a group of nutcases, y’all are probably going to start with a sympathy plea for BP

        Well, we certainly wouldn’t call for their death…

        Flashy: Please…if you can’t handle reality, check yourself in.

        Will i be sharing a room with you?

      • Uknowho

        Jay,

        Is that why Obama did the second bank bailout? because he hates the private sector?

        Is that why he bailed out GM and let the new GM Chairman work autonomously to right the ship? because he hates the private sector?

        Is that why Obama champions small business tax cuts because he hates the private sector?

        Obamacare mandadtes that if you can afford health insurance, that you get PRIVATE HC insurance because he hates the private sector.

        Ok Jay… sure.

      • Jeff

        The wingnuts have never found the words to sufficiently apologize to BP for Obama’s “uppity” attitude about making them pay to clean up the Gulf. If only all that water weren’t in the way of THEIR OIL!!!

      • Texas Ride

        When faced with actual deeds, facts, quotes, mandates, executive order, stated wants and desires of obammie, liberals cannot handle it nor can they defend any of it!

        It is funny to see their failed attempts to attack people that see and state “the truth.” Lliberals have no facts to support obammie’s innocence.

        Obammie is an “in-your-face” dictator and he doesn’t care if everyone knows it. Why shouldn’t he be, he has been given no limits and has the power standing behind him of the NWO elites.

        • Jeff

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      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        uknowho: Is that why Obama did the second bank bailout? because he hates the private sector?

        When the Bush administration proposed TARP to prevent the collapse of the American banking system, one of the reasons there was opposition was that foreign banks might get bailed out. At the time, Fed Chairman Ben Barnanke denied they would receive funds. He lied! Not only did Ben lie, he hid this from the public.

        U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke’s two-year fight to shield crisis-squeezed banks from the stigma of revealing their public loans protected a lender to local governments in Belgium, a Japanese fishing-cooperative financier and a company part-owned by the Central Bank of Libya.

        Dexia SA (DEXB), based in Brussels and Paris, borrowed as much as $33.5 billion through its New York branch from the Fed’s “discount window” lending program, according to Fed documents released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. Dublin-based Depfa Bank Plc, taken over in 2007 by a German real-estate lender later seized by the German government, drew $24.5 billion.

        “The caricature of the Fed is that it was shoveling money to big New York banks and a bunch of foreigners, and that is not conducive to its long-run reputation,” said Vincent Reinhart, the Fed’s director of monetary affairs from 2001 to 2007.

        Separate data disclosed on temporary emergency- lending programs set up by the Fed also showed big foreign banks as borrowers. Six European banks were among the top 11 companies that sold the most debt overall — a combined $274.1 billion — to the Commercial Paper Funding Facility.

        http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2011/04/01/foreign-banks-benefited-from-tarp/

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        uknowho: Is that why he bailed out GM and let the new GM Chairman work autonomously to right the ship? because he hates the private sector?

        The US Treasury owns 60% of GM, the Canadian and Ontario governments together have 12% in exchange for $9.5 billion in financing. The United Auto Workers’ health care trust fund owns 17.5% and the remaining 10% is owned by unsecured creditors in the form of bondholders, they’re also being given warranties for a further 15%. That only adds up to 99.5%, i’m assuming some rounding knocked off that last half percent.

        So the question is; was a bailout or a takeover?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        uknowho: Is that why Obama champions small business tax cuts because he hates the private sector?

        Many are renewals of tax breaks that already existed. Others are expansions of previous breaks, and every time a measure gets renewed, the Obama administration is counting it as yet another tax cut.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        uknowho: Obamacare mandadtes that if you can afford health insurance, that you get PRIVATE HC insurance because he hates the private sector.

        Not all, but some will be excused from Obamacare;people who are conscientiously opposed to paying for health insurance don’t have to do it where the conscientious objection arises from religion. This exemption will apply similarly to believers in Islam, which considers health insurance – and, for that matter, any form of risk insurance – to be haraam (forbidden).

      • Dave

        Jay,

        Nice explainations but it doesn’t support your contention. Maybe next time you shouldn’t make such sweeping generalization when it is some easily shown that you are wrong here.

        BTW according the the GM Chairman, Obama NEVER stuck his nose in the business of GM after the “takeover” and allowed GM to do it business after the Unions and Management agreed to compromise in order to get the Gov “takeover”. Which worked BTW.

        • Jeff

          You should know by now that Repugs never let facts get in the way of a good story (or bumper sticker). They know Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Marxist and no stupid facts can convince them otherwise. Fortunately, the majority has finally grown up enough to reject out of hand this right wing idiocy that has imprisoned leaders for far too long. Eventually, this generation of Repugs will be regarded as we now regard Joe McCarthy and George Wallace – anachronisms.

          • Nick Czudy

            Hear hear Jeff. I second your opinion. There isn’t a day that goes by without some Right Wing Opinion becoming touted as fact under the right wing bubble.

            Just as an example. Obama is in Israel getting the highest award from the Israelis yesterday, that can be given to a non Israeli. they are falling over themselves, kissing his butt honoring his friendship and support for Israel. All of the media sources are showing this ceremony. All except Fox. They are showing a story on how Obama has thrown Israel under the bus and has been the worst President to Israel in history. They really embellished this show and of coarse the masses under the Right Wing Bubble will eat it up as fact.
            This type of reporting has been rampant ever since Obama’s first election. There is a lack of ability to see what is happening and to make a rational conclusion of the facts.
            If it is white, then the Right Wing will say it is black.
            Do you know how us independents, see this type of behavior? It tells us that the GOP and Right Wing cannot tell the truth to us, when trying to get back into power. It tells me that I cannot trust them if they ever got into power. It tells me that being open and truthful is not a trait that I can expect from the GOP. Scams like the weapons of Mass Destruction and Watergate and more scams and crimes perpetrated against the people is what will happen is we reward this type of behavior by voting them back into power.
            The funny thing is that they accuse Obama of lying and being non transparent. haha. Compared to the Right Wing, he is a saint.
            I know that this behavior is like masturbation to the Right Wing. They do it for their base and followers, to satisfy their need for stimulation and self gratification.
            But what you do not realize, is when you pander to your base with this self gratification, the rest of the country is able to listen in. It is not like you are whispering in a dark closet and no one else can hear. We all hear this crap. More and more Americans hear this pandering and lies and we are turned off by it.

            There are some smart people on this site, that listen to this crap and can make an intelligent and rational decision on which philosophy to follow. Then there are those that will listen to this crap and eat it up like jello. Which one are you?

          • Jeff

            The Israel issue has been the scene of some of the greatest hypocrisy by the right wing. Obama has been every bit as strong in support of Israel as any president since the country was formed. He has a prickly relationship with Netanyahu, but then so so roughly half the Israeli people. A lot of the tension comes from Netanyahu’s decision to embarrass V.P. Biden by restarting settlements while he was visiting. The Repugs’ idea of being pro-Israel is to write a blank check to the Israeli right wing and blindly support every dumb decision it makes. Obama is actually looking out for Israel’s best interests by pointing out when they are being short-sighted. He is absolutely correct that given demographic realities, the only way for Israel to avoid turning into South Africa is to negotiate a Palestinian State. The Likud Settlement Policy is the worst thing Israel can do for its long-term survival.

            The ironic thing is the fundamentalist Christians, who not much more than a generation ago tolerated Jews only a little better than they tolerated Blacks, are now the self-proclaimed defenders of Israel. Jews still vote overwhelmingly for Democrats regardless how many lies the Repugs tell about how they’re going to “sell out” Israel. In Israel and in the American Jewish community, there is enormous debate over Israeli policies, but to the right wingers, any criticism of Likud or Netanyahu is treated as tantamount to anti-semitism.

    • Texas Ride

      WTS, good stuff to remind us what we are dealing with in the presidency.

    • Karolyn

      The same kind of crap comes out of the mouths of the other side too. Nobody is immune.

  • Pat

    No, Obama is not stark raving mad, he knows exactly what he is doing. Greed is his illness.

    He has powerful teachers and supporters. Read the “cookbooks” of dictators from the beginning.
    Then you will know exactly why he makes every
    move that he does

    Just study Chavez, whom Obama learned this anarchy along side of in Chicago. Study Sol Alinsky, Cloward and Piven, Bill Ayres, all acitvists from Chicago. Also study George Soros, Karl Marx, Hiler, Stalin, etc, etc.

    Then you will under stand. and hopefully act to protect this great country.

    • Texas Ride

      Pat, all you say is true, obammie is a mouth-piece for the globalists that really own this country. Obammie has been groomed all his life to play his part. Congress knows what he is and they closed ranks and both parties supported him, and agreed not to “vet” him as a candidate. The pubs ran their weakest candidate and McCain refused to campaign against obammie. McCain and his monkey are still supporting obammie (what have they been promised.)

      In 2003, the dems tried eight times in twenty-two months to get the “natural born citizen” qualification abolished or make it a “moot point” where obammie was concerned. The traitors failed, but they put him in the presidency anyway and just ignored the constitutional requirements. It was planned as far back as 2003 that obammie would be president, most likely it was planned long before that.
      The puke was selected, not elected by the powers that be and I don’t mean the government of the U.S.

      What other Washington president would dare… “flip-off” the American people, show obvious disgust for the country and our way of life, be willing to destroy the country as his legacy, be able to claim all criticism was racist, incite a fanatical appeal to the unwashed gimmies, be a willing puppet for the wealthiest globalist in the world. Any White American doing obammie’s job would have been destroyed years ago.

      • Jeff

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      • Texas Ride

        Jeff, why are you making yourself look like a “moron.” All is in the Congressional Record for you to read. The dems were frantically trying to get the constitutional qualifications changed for obammie. They knew exactly what he was in 2003, and they knew what they put in office in 2008.

        • Jeff

          TDM:

          Obama was an unknown in 2003. Plus, there is no specific definition of “natural born citizen” that would preclude Obama from the presidency. I’ve read all the nonsense about both parents having to be from the Mayflower, etc. It’s all bull. None of the old cases you think held such nonsense actually say anything of the kind.

      • Karolyn

        Texas – You make a good parrot.

      • mark

        “Any White American doing obammie’s job would have been destroyed years ago?” What? Obama’s successor, George W. Bush started 2 massive unConstitutional wars that got 6,000 Americans killed and pushed through a massive Medicare Prescription Bill of $600 billion vs. Obamacare’s $800 billion. He got reelected and praised by millions of Republicans and Conservatives. No one destroyed him. Many Americans proclaim their nostalgia for his massive deficits, illegal wars, and huge health care package for seniors. No Tea Party rose up against George W. Bush event though he did the exact same thing and worse than what the same Tea Party accused Obama of. But of course as you say. George W. Bush is white. Could that be it? Gee, I wonder.

    • Jeff

      Are you sure you can’t come up with any more tyrants for your list? And some never held any power so are they tyrants too? This the kind of moronic post that gives you wingnuts the bad name you so richly deserve. What % of the American people do you think would agree with any of what you have posted? Obama is Hitler? Stalin? It’s like comparing you to Einstein. If Obama were anything like Hitler, do you think you’d be posting this nonsense? Do you think Mitch McConnell and Rush Fatbaugh would still be drawing breath? You are a deluded fool if you think you can just throw around such comparisons. It is not an insult to Obama but to history.

  • Brian G. Wright

    OK… he’s destroying the country. OK.. he cares naught for the Constitution. OK.., Ok…Ok… but WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Bitching and moaning here won’t help – it’s like to preaching to the choir. Get out your pens, call your representatives, support those who are AMERICANS and let’s do something about HIM!

    • Tommy cunningham

      Not as easy at it sounds, the biggest problem is the uneducated voter, thatvotes these people into office who will violate the Constitution to give special incintives to those voters (poor, corporations, unions, minority groups, special interest groups ect…..) the voter gains something by voting for them and the elected official gain what he/she ,covets power, which the constitution is suppose to protect us from, “human nature” just a matter of time and it will collapse when they run out of other people’s money, getting close to the ledge now. As George Washington said, goverment is not reason it is force, like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. We the people out about to get burned! It is not greed for a man to work hard and make himself rich and want to work harder to make more, true greed is when a man covers the fruits of another’s labour and devise a way to strip this property from the man who earned it cause its just not fair he worked for it, while the lazy have nothing, therefore they feel entitled to it.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Your right. We’re just the audience watching Nero and his legions burn our nation. They work at it 24/7 and we talk about it.

  • Uknowho

    Wayne has been right about so much hasn’t he?

    Obama is personally responsible for 6T in new debt. Can one of the conservative accountants here explain what Obama has personally put on the books to get that number? Give me specific programs Obama authored and their dollar amount.

    Thanks!

    I love how NOW that Obama is in the White House, the conservatives worry about debt. Where were you in 1980 when Don Regan, Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan presided over the dismantling of our manufacturing base in the goal to break up the unions, made credit easier to obtain and deregulated the banks and wall street?

    Oh, thats right… you were singing Reagan’s praises as he TRIPLED our debt in 8 years with his tax cut and spend policies and helped keep the middle class and poor’s wages stagnate while the wealthy’s wages skyrocketed. But of course the conserveatives say they earned it. If you call having the money to buy the lobbyists and the ability to get next to the politicians to buy the policies to put more money in your pocket regardless of what it does to the country, “earning it” then ok. I call it a redistribution of wealth and class warfare… You know those terms don’t you? Its what your conservative masters tell you to scream when a program that gets forwarded that actually helps the engine of our economy, the middle class and poor people of this country.

    When people like Mr Root put forth an article that calls for big money out of politics, lobbying reform, actually paying for all our responsibilities and reforming our trade regs that have helped undermine this country, I will give Mr Root some credence… Until then, Mr Root and all his followers and believers are just STARK RAVING MAD.

    • Texas Ride

      Uknowhow states: “Mr Root and his followers are STARK RAVING MAD.”

      PROVE IT!

      Prove that Mr. W.A.R and his follwers are MAD. Come-on, lets have it. Substantiate your claim!. You can’t. The only one that is acting insane is obammie and there is plenty of evidence to that fact… for people that have the power to “reason.”

      (The mindless fanatics on the left are the only tribal-worshippers of obammie. Yep, obammie has a “tribe” of the mindless.)

      • Dave

        Fine TX Ride…

        Mr Root is not stark raving mad… He is just a master fibber and partisan if he says Obama added 6T to the debt and none of you can tell me what policies are responsible for the 6T that Obama put in place himself over a filibuster happy GOP in the Senate and a HOuse GOP that will not compromise because they hate Obama more than they love this country.

        Sorry, Mr Root is full of it and so are you.

  • joanio57

    He may not be insane but he is a sociopath, as well as a socialist.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Actually, he’s the mouth for his handlers. He’s very charasmatic and can sell their goals to most people.

      • STEVE E.

        He is Satan’s number one salesperson.

      • Texas Ride

        Sorry, I don’t get the charasmatic part??

        Obammie (pronounced like mammie) is doper-skinny, lop-eared, big nosed, arrogant, big-headed, self-admitted drug dealer, an illegitimate office holder, a homo (and we all know it) obviously a fraud, a self-annointed dictator that spends more of our money on himself than the Royal Family of England spends… but he has been taught to read the teleprompter! How about I start listing the really bad things about him..

        • Jeff

          We get the picture, Texas Moron. Charisma is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously, your animal attractions run more toward Rick Perry and Jeff Sessions. Not that there’s anything wrong with that!

      • Texas Ride

        Jeff, so glad that you “get the picture.” I see that you couldn’t deny any of my description of obammie because what I said was true.

        • Jeff

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  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    It took 200 hundred years, 1787 to 1987, for our national debt to reach one trillion dollars. It’s taken 26 years for our national debt to reach just shy of seventeen trillion dollars. But there’s a glich. What is considered a debt to the Federal Reserve isn’t really a debt. Forinstance, If you came to me to borrow $10,000 bogus dollars to buy a car, and I gave you the car free and clear of debt to use as collateral for the loan you are giving me and then defaulted on the loan, would I owe you anything? I already owned the car that is used as collateral for the loan. The Federal Reserve has nothing to loan so it uses things we, not them, already own to use as collateral for the printing of their paper. We already own the collateral that’s pledged against the loan to ourselves, not the Federal Reserve. What has the Federal Reserve contributed to the transaction? The Federal Reserve is using our property to use as collateral for the FRN’s it’s printing and loaning to anybody. Remember: The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE institution, It is NOT affiliated with the government in anyway. The private bank Federal Reserve has a debt for all the counterfeit paper it’s printing, not us.

    The Federal Reserve, aside from controlling the FRN”s used in America , controls the dollar internationally in that the dollar is the world’s soverign currency. For doing nothing but printing paper the Federal Reserve is buying the world. Bernie Madoff, move over; your a piker compared with this con game.

    • richard brooks

      the first trillion dollar debt was in 1982. reagan. who raised taxes and the debt ceiling more times than any other administration. it is his, and the gop, borrow and spend policy you now complain about.

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        I know it was Reagan but the charts I’ve looked at say 1987. Reagan never vetoed a spending bill. That caused Ron Paul to bolt from the Republican Party and join the Libertarians for a while.

      • S.C.Murf

        I would like to know if you are a paid fool or just like playing the part of the fool.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Uknowho

        Amen Richard,

        I think these conservatives maybe were in hibernation from 1980-1988 and 2000-2008. It is their policies we are living with today and they act as if Obama came in and ruined everything with his dictatorial powers even though the GOP had either the Senate or the abuse of the filibuster from 2010 on in the senate to prevent much of what Obama wanted to accomplish. Not to mention the House has been in the GOP’s hands since 2010 and they have just been so eager to compromise to get something done haven’t they?

        These conservatives are a comical bunch. Too bad the country suffers as they try and keep themselves relevent in the face of a changing racial and age dynamic that is going to spell the end of their extremist views in DC before too long.

  • richard brooks

    hilarious. i can not determine who is funnier. goebbels, who wrote this, or his brown shirts who believe it.
    still trying to sell one bunch of crooks is better than the other bunch of crooks.

    • FreedomFighter

      America’s Liberalologist
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zu6oMBANV4&feature=related

      Liberalism is closely linked with mental disorder and psychoactive drug addiction.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • Mike in MI

        FF -
        It’s also a genetic mutation in most but not all cases. That’s kinda why Ron White says , “There ain’t no cure for STEWPEID.”

    • Tommy cunningham

      Gobbles didn’t right my comment , a justice on Supreme Court did in regards to income tax in 1921 did, and I’m not a brown shirt! I’m a libertarian, I work for the money I make” own my own semi” and believe that the money I earn belongs to me, and I am always striving to make more, which includes buying more trucks, employing someone to drive it and making more profit!!! No one else is entitle to the fruits of my labor, including a poor “lazy” wretch who doesn’t want to go out, risk everything to better themselfs , rather they sit back with their hand out wanting what isn’t theirs because its unfair and should be entitled to it. They made the choice to sit back, I have no compassion for a lazy man!

      • Mike in MI

        Tommy c.-
        Now, THAT Tommy is what the Bible calls the “Love of God” because it faithfully represents the ideas, commands and directions to us in God’s Word.
        I salute you, sir.
        In Ecclesiastes your prosperity is what God refers to as your “portion” in life. That’s the kind of mindset and resolve that made it possible for God to bless Job and make him the richest man in the East in his day.
        He worked and he gave to bless others out of what he’d been blessed with. He taught others, was loyal, sought the benefit he could add to others’ lives (service), expected to prosper and believed God to improve his lot and that of everyone around him.
        Just because he got knocked down hard by forces he didn’t understand he didn’t stay down. He pushed through the difficulty, thanked God he was still alive and went on to greater exploits. That Job made God proud to be part of Job’s life is clear.
        And that’s the kind of Biblical lessons which our forebears looked at, learned, carried out and by which they built the greatest nation in the world. We can do it again, too.
        Just got to get this cow pie from Washington off our heads.

    • STEVE E.

      I’d rather be a brown shirt that believes the truth than a liberal idiot that believes in no truth.

  • Tommy cunningham

    Man has 3 great rights. The right to life , liberty, and property. These rights are so tied together to essentially be one right. Give a man his life, yet deny him his liberty makes his life not worth living. Give a man his liberty, yet deny him the fruits of his labor, the badge of his hard work(property) “money is property” makes him a slave!

  • jopa

    Lest we forget.George W Bush started an unnecessary war that in the end is going to cost us six trillion dollars not to mention over 4000 soldiers dead, tens of thousands crippled for life, estimates at 600,000 to one million civilians dead.Obama stark raving mad.Not quite, he just had to pay the bills of the previous IIC ( Idiot in Chief).It’s been ten years since Bush started this tragedy and “we must never forget”.

    • Tommy cunningham

      Bush didn’t start this mess, it started roughly 100 years ago, the biggest contributors to every problem we have are these presidents, however all are guilty since. Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Obama.

    • mc

      Keep dealing in the past and you’ll never fix the future. Who’s are President now?

      • Uknowho

        So mc,

        Just so I am clear, the policies of Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 have no relevency today?

        And Congress plays not part in things… (oh wait, they do when it is a GOP president, and Dem congress I forget)

        Avoid reality much?

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

      jopa: Lest we forget.George W Bush started an unnecessary war that in the end is going to cost us six trillion dollars not to mention over 4000 soldiers dead, tens of thousands crippled for life, estimates at 600,000 to one million civilians dead.

      With FULL support/approval from the Democrats! October 11, 2002

      In a major victory for the White House, the Senate on Friday, October of 2002, voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

      Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

      The president praised the congressional action, declaring “America speaks with one voice.”

      “The Congress has spoken clearly to the international community and the United Nations Security Council,” Bush said in a statement. “Saddam Hussein and his outlaw regime pose a grave threat to the region, the world and the United States. Inaction is not an option, disarmament is a must.”

      Why do you suppose the Democrats supported the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, jopa?

      Here’s why:

      More than a quarter of senators and congressmen have invested at least $196 million of their own money in companies doing business with the Department of Defense (DoD) that profit from the death and destruction in Iraq.

      According to the latest reports, 151 members of Congress invested close to a quarter-billion in companies that received defense contracts of at least $5 million in 2006. These companies got more than $275.6 billion from the government in 2006, or $755 million per day, according to FedSpending.org, a website of the watchdog group OMBWatch.

      Congressmen gave themselves a loophole so they only have to report their assets in broad ranges. Thus, they can be off as much as 160 percent.

      In 2004, the first full year after the present Iraq war began, Republican and Democratic lawmakers—both hawks and doves—invested between $74.9 million and $161.3 million in companies under contract with the DoD.

      In 2006 Democrats had at least $3.7 million invested in the defense sector alone, compared to the Republicans’ “only” $577,500. As the war raged on, so did the billions of profits—and personal investments by Congress members in war contractors, which increased 5 percent from 2004 to 2006.

      Investments in these contractors yielded Congress members between $15.8 million and $62 million in personal income from 2004 through 2006, through dividends, capital gains, royalties and interest.

      Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), who are two of Congress’s wealthiest members, were among the lawmakers who garnered the most income from war contractors between 2004 and 2006: Sensenbrenner got at least $3.2 million and Kerry reaped at least $2.6 million.

      Members of the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees which oversee the Iraq war had between $32 million and $44 million invested in companies with DoD contracts.

      War hawk Sen. Joe Lieberman (IConn.), chairman of the defense-related
      Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, had at least $51,000 invested in these companies in 2006.

      Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), who voted for Bush’s war, had stock in defense companies, such as Honeywell, Boeing and Raytheon, but sold the stock in May 2007.

      Of the 151 members whose investments are tied to the “defense” (war)
      industry, as far as we know, not one of them offered to donate their bloodstained profits to the national treasury to offset the terrible debt they have imposed. Has one of them even offered to donate one cent of their war profits to lessen the debt that increases more than $1 million a minute?

      When our boys and girls are wounded the government bills them to return their reenlistment bonus. They have to return any pay they received while they were hospitalized. They have to pay for their helmets and uniforms that are destroyed in the hell of war. But they keep on fighting for these politicians’ right to keep their war profits.

      • Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) $3,001,006 to $5,015,001
      • Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) $250,001 to $500,000
      • Rep. Kenny Ewell Marchant (R-Tex.) $162,074 to $162,074
      • Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.) $115,002 to $300,000
      • Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) $115,002 to $300,000
      • Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.) $100,870 to $100,870
      • Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) $65,646 to $65,646
      • Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) $50,008 to $227,000
      • Rep. Sam Farr (D-Calif.) $50,001 to $100,000
      • Rep. Stephen Ira Cohen (D-Tenn.) $45,003 to $150,000

      http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/151-congressmen-profit-from-war/3283/

      Yes jopa, you are right, “we must never forget”!!!

      • Jeff

        You can’t say FULL support from the democrats. House Democrats actually voted NO to authorizing W to go into Iraq. Senate Democrats voted for it 29-21. Had it been up to the Democrats alone, there would have been no Iraq War. In fact, no other Republican President would have been so stupid as to listen to Cheney and his Neocon Chickenhawks – not Reagan, not Bush 1, nobody. While the Democrats who trusted Bush can never live down that vote (It cost Hillary the presidency in 2008), that hardly lets Bush & Co. off the hook. They lied and misrepresented intelligence to convince the American People and Congress that they knew what they were talking about. I never believed Cheney for a second. I remember how they treated anyone who disagreed. They made fun of Hans Blix because he couldn’t find the weapons Rumsfeld told him were there! Watch the documentary on the selling of the Iraq War this Friday evening on MSNBC.

      • mark

        Far too many Democrats voted for the use of force resolution on Iraq in October 2002 because they were fed false and/or manipulated intelligence from the Bush Adminstration. In the American system of government, as in most around the world, the intelligence agencies, the CIA, the NSA, the NSC, Military Intelligence, are all part of the executive branch – not the legislative branch. That branch is reliant upon the executive branch to provide them with true and accurate intelligence. But the Bush adminstration got the intelligence that they wanted by putting immense pressure on these agencies and intervening to doctor much of the documentation, putting all caveats and doubts aside or burying them on the final pages of huge multi-page reports. British and French intelligence in contrast were far more up front about their doubts and uncertainties on the presence of WMD in Iraq.

        But even with all this, of the 23 Senators who voted against the resolution, 21 were Democrats and 1, Barry Sanders, a socialist who caucused and almost always votes with the Democrats. Of the 133 Congressmen who voted against the resolution, 126 were Democrats. Virtually all these Democrats also received generous campaign contributions from the Defense industry. Your pasted article fails to list and account – the numbers of dollars from Defense industries that those who voted against the resolution received. Or – with a couple of exceptions (Sensebrenner and Frelinghuysen) – the vast amounts of money given to Republican lawmakers who voted in overwhelming numbrs in favor of the resolution. Still knowledge is power – and those who hold a monopoly on knowledge wield immense power. Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld controlled and provided all fo the intelligence on Iraq’s WMD that they disseminated to Congress and to the American people. And now pundits turn around and condemn those Democratic lawmakers who believed their president’s intelligence, who accepted his closest officials’ warnings of an imminent “mushroom cloud.” They believed the Bush adminstration. Of that crime, I agree with you, they are guilty. They should never have believed President Bush or any his officials on this issue. I salute those who did not believe the president – the 21 Democrats, 1 Independent, and 1 Republican Senator out of 23 who voted no. And the 126 Democrats, 6 Republicans, and 1 Independent Congressmen out of 133 who voted no. But the picture is not so black and white, they also received campaign contributions from Defense industries as do virtually all American lawmakers.

        And just for the record 48 of 49 Republican senators voted for the war resolution vs. 29 of 50 Democratic senators. In the House, 215 out of 223 Republicans voted for the Iraq war, versus 82 of 209 Democrats. Obviously even despite Bush’s doctored intelligence, Democrats exercised far better judgment in their vote for this unnecessary and immoral war.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        mark: Far too many Democrats voted for the use of force resolution on Iraq in October 2002 because they were fed false and/or manipulated intelligence from the Bush Adminstration.

        Yet, despite being fed false and/or manipulated intelligence from the Bush Administration, didn’t stop high-profile Democrats who voted for the resolution, to invest considerable, personal-income in the Iraq-project and profiting immensely from their investments…but now that they realize, as you say, it was all a hoax, will they be keeping the “blood-money”? Of course they will…it was just business as usual. Who are you kidding, mark?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        Jeff, the vote on Joint Resolution 114 was taken on October 11, 2002. It passed the Senate by a vote of 77 to 23, and the House of Representatives by a vote of 296 to 133.

        But in all fairness, it’s important to make mention of the 156 members of Congress from 36 states who had enough information and personal insight and wisdom to make the correct decision for our national and the world community.

        UNITED STATES SENATE

        In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent who courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq were:

        * Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
        * Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
        * Barbara Boxer (D-California)
        * Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
        * Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
        * Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
        * Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
        * Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
        * Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
        * Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
        * Bob Graham (D-Florida)
        * Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
        * Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
        * Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
        * Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
        * Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
        * Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
        * Patty Murray (D-Washington)
        * Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
        * Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
        * Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
        * The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
        * Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

        UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

        Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Re[resentatives in voting NAY, on October 11, 2002, to the unprovoked use of force against Iraq:

        Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) Tom Allen (D-Maine) Joe Baca (D-California) Brian Baird (D-Washington) John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine) Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin) Gresham Barrett (R-South Carolina) Xavier Becerra (D-California) Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon) David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office) Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania) Corinne Brown (D-Florida) Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
        Lois Capps (D-California) Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts) Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland) Julia Carson (D-Indiana) William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri) Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office) James Clyburn (D-South Carolina) Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office) John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan) Jerry Costello (D-Illinois) William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office) Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
        Susan Davis (D-California) Danny Davis (D-Illinois) Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon) Diana DeGette (D-Colorado) Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts) Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut) John Dingell (D-Michigan) Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania) John Duncan, Jr. (R-Tennessee) Anna Eshoo (D-California) Lane Evans (D-Illinois) Sam Farr (D-California) Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania) Bob Filner (D-California) Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts) Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas) Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
        Alice Hastings (D-Florida) Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office) Maurice Hinchey (D-New York) Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas) Rush Holt (D-New Jersey) Mike Honda (D-California) Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon) John Hostettler (R-Indiana) Amo Houghton (R-New York, retired from office) Jay Inslee (D-Washington)…

    • G. B.

      jopa- Two wrongs don’t make a right! The sad truth is Bush wasn’t even the first to start the insanity. It began long before him and each president had compounded the problem. 0bama has done nothing but adopt Bush’s policies, repackage them as his own deceptively making them appear better & different and then accelerated the enforcement of the criminal actions! Wake up!

    • Texas Ride

      Jopa, get over the “tribal-lovefest” for obammie.

      The subject is obammie and how he is ruining this economy for us all…including you! There is no DEFENSE for obammie, so you feel compelled to do the only thing you libs are told to do, “Deflect, change the topic, obfuscate, and always, always start talking about someone else.) It no longer works! Obammie’s feet are going to be held to-the-fire for what HE is doing. The dems are slowing awakening to the fact that they are going to suffer, like all the other Americans.

      But radical libs haven’t figured it out. YOU are living in the same country and YOU will be personally suffering like everyone. It is INSANE to promote your own demise and that of your countrymen.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        TXRide is still spewing the stupidity like “obammie tribal love fest”. Grow up, TXR, and show some respect—-you may then get someone to pay attention to any ideas you may have.

      • Texas Ride

        RBT, your posts are those of a radical commie and I got your attention!

        As for R.E.S.P.E.C.T, practice what you preach and show some of that to people when they disagree with you.

        You have garnered no respect on this board, are you kidding!
        Go to Huffpost with your commie comments!

        Obammie is an illegal foreign, black/brown, homo, moo that is squatting in our oval office, while you genuflect to show your adoration and servitude! All I can say is don’t turn your back while doing so.

      • Right Brain Thinker

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      • jopa

        T; I am willing to bet $100,000.00 you don’t have any horns.Yes I say lest we forget how much damage Bush & regime have done to this country, and I am going to say it over and over so nobody will forget what they did.Watch MSNBC nine o’clock Friday night for the replay of HUBRIS.The true story how the GOP lied their way to war.

        • Jeff

          I have made a similar appeal. Think any of these wingnuts have the guts to watch?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        jopa: Watch MSNBC nine o’clock Friday night for the replay of HUBRIS.The true story how the GOP lied their way to war.

        If only MSNBC would skewer both parties, then i would take MSNBC seriously…

    • Tommy cunningham

      I served my country in the 82nd airborne, but not once since World War II has our troops fought to “protect our liberty” over seas. We are a military industrial complex, we are a people who’s liberty has been slowly stripped away without a single shot being fired to take it. Madison wrote of how most over throws of a system of goverment is done peacefully, the Constitution was to guard against this. Ask yourself, do we truly live in a country where the goverment is limited in what it can do for or to the people by the Constitution, or do we live in a country in which the government does as it please’s for the “greater” good ?collectively we give up liberty for security as Franklin warned us against, “those who give up liberty for security, does not deserve it and will lose it”!

    • STEVE E.

      Here we go again. Another minion blaming Bush. It never fails to have someone do that.

  • Tommy cunningham

    There are those who truly love this country, those who will defend it and the Constitution. Our founders risked all to bring forth the greatest country the world has known to promote and preserve Individual liberty, for this gift they gave us ” I happen to believe they had divine inspiration ” they asked that We the People merely do one thing, to guard it from tyranny/oppression , they understood that only a moral, educated population can govern itself. We fail to educate our children in regards to liberty, that we all are born with, we fail to instill proper moral upbringing, the only thing that will bring down this country will come from within, because WE THE PEOPLE have failed in our simple task of keeping it. As Benjamin Franklin answered the question when a woman asked what they have given us, he said “A REPUBLIC IF YOU CAN KEEP IT!” So are we gonna watch it slip away? Ask your self are you gonna be a summertime patriot ?

  • Jim B

    From the land of the brave, home of the free, to the land of free stuff and government serfdom! Generations of Americans have not been properly educated in the American Way. Liberal teaching i.e. public unions, and government run schools have fostered socialist ideologies that has sucked the life, liberty, and freedom i.e. American Way, right out of our children. The twelve year sentence has really screwed them up and it shows at the polls. Their ignorance perpetuates their serfdom which they’ve been well taught to accepts. The government has taken power through proxy, we need to take that power back or face far more reaching consequences in the very near future.

  • R.F.

    “The economy is in shambles”? Are you kidding? The housing market is making a comeback in most regions, the stock market is at record highs (breaking records almost daily), corporate profits – something so dear to your heart – are also at record highs. Wages for working people may be lower or just holding their own but then you don’t mind that. So how you conclude that the economy is in shambles is, frankly, beyond me. I think you have some set opinions and attitudes that you repeat again and again with little reference to what is actually happening.

    • FreedomFighter

      Printing 85 billion a month to stoke up the stock market is not a comeback, its THEFT from the American people, Printing treasuries and buying them yourself is not a comeback, it means the world has lost faith in your fake fiat money.

      What is happening now is “PUMP AND DUMP” and the dump is on the American people.

      Stop drinking the KOOLAIDE and being a stoodge.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

    • jimbo999

      Didn’t read the article did you R.F.
      He explained how the stock market is booming by Obama giving away money we don’t have to keep the market going.

      Have you tried to get a job lately? Stand in line.

      Have you bought gasoline lately? It costs twice as much as it was when Obama took over.

      Have you bought groceries lately? Some thing are 4 times as much as 4 years ago.

      Do you have money in a bank? Take a look at the interest rate… 0.02%. That’s not 2%, it’s 2 one hundredth of one percent. About 2 cents for $1000.00 in your account.

      Do you have a house for sale? Your house that you spent $300,000.00 to buy 10 years ago is now worth about $150,000.00, not much of an investment they told you it would be.

      To top it off, you now owe $200,000.00 just to pay the interest on Obama’s debt. Oh, and your wife owes the same $200,000.00 and each of your children, and each of your grandchildren and each of your great grandchildren, and your brothers and sisters, and cousins etc. etc. etc.

      Will you be paying in cask or check?

    • Ted Crawford

      You are appearently unaware of Ben Bernanke’s QE – 3 ! Printing money as fast as possible to buy up failing loans. This will create a two fold problem in the final outcome, First given that Fannie and Freddie are bound to take over these loans, by proxy, the Government will “own” these properties, further erroding one of the foundational pillars of a free society, Private Property!
      Secondly just who will be required to repay these loans!
      As for the Stock Market, there are no fundamentals supporting this growth and the major growth of these Companies are in the Over-Sea’s Markets, not in domestic growth!
      The addage, ” Don’t look a Gift-Horse in the mouth”, Wasn’t intended as advice, but rather as a warning!

    • http://N/A CintiCB

      RF, you need to take some courses in economics and business-you, then, might not sound so uninformed and ignorant. Oh, go play with Jeff!

      • R.F.

        Yes but everything I noted in my comment is correct.

  • ToughGuy1

    Obama visited President Peres in Israel. Planted a tree. What in good faith with Israel! The Obama deception. The tree had to be uprooted after Obama left Israel. They had to check the roots of a possible Muslim Brotherhood infiltration could contaminate the soil and dirt in the ground. “Beware of geeks in bearing gifts!”

  • mark

    Well, Mr. Root, your hero Ronald Reagan tripled the national debt in 8 years and George W. Bush doubled the national debt in 8 years. But I don’t remember you writing any editorials calling them stark raving mad. Looks like you’re a stark raving hypocrite. Better go back to bookmaking in Las Vegas. Hey, you’re on the Walk of Fame out there – that great city that encourages millions to go bankrupt everyday with credit lines, comped rooms, meals, bright lights, and ringing slot machine bells. Bankrupting people was actually you and that town’s business. It is how you got started. I’ll take the Bears with six and the over on the Broncos-Ravens game.

    • FreedomFighter

      Every spew was done by the Democratic progressive senate and congress as a deal to get real work done by Mr Reagan.

      Stop drinking the KOOLAIDE and being a progreassive toad.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • Uknowho

        Ummm.. FF

        CONGRESSIONAL MAKEUP DURING REAGAN YEARS

        97th Congress (1981-1983)
        Senate: 53(R); 46(D); 1(other) GOP dominated
        House: 242(D); 189(R)

        98th Congress (1983-1985)
        Senate: 54(R); 46(D) GOP dominated
        House: 268(D); 167(R)

        99th Congress (1985-1987)
        Senate: 53(R); 47 (D) GOP dominated
        House: 253 (D); 182(R)

        100th Congress (1987-1989)
        Senate: 55(D); 45(R)
        House: 258 (D); 177 (R)

        Oops… care to revise your revisonist history?

        Your boy Reagan helped sink this country and make the world safe for bankster’s plunder.

        You just refuse to accept that reality.

      • FreedomFighter

        I was in DC at the time — an eye witness to the events, btw your numbers if correct add much credability to what I say.

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

      • Uknowho

        And I lived in the DC area for 35 years (born and raised)…. Your point is what?

        The conservative movement dominated the 1980′s. Reagan got his tax cuts, much of his spending cut for social programs and his huge defense budget. (Check the GAO for what Reagan proposed and what was finally approved)

        Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and open your eyes to history and cause/effect.

      • Tommy cunningham

        To unknown- all bills pertaining to revenue must originate in the house according to the constitution, the house was controlled by the dens they out Reagan’s tenure, hence he had to work with Tip O’neal to get what he wanted thru that was important and compromised to get what he wanted, off course he didn’t get all of it, but what he did get thru created 21 million jobs in 3 years and turned the economy around, very much the opposite of what Obama is doing, of course the senate is going to support what Reagan managed to get thru as it was dominated by republicans?????

      • Uknowho

        Tommy,

        Tell me what happened to manufacturing in this country? How did middle class and poor wages do?

        Ronald Reagan and Congress actually hurt this country long term for a short term “feel good solution at the surface” to get to the next election.

        Under Reagan, Our manufacturing base and unions got dismantled, the banks go more powerful thanks to Reagan’s policies and we got deeper in bed with big oil and defense.

        How did all that work out?

      • mark

        No Freedom Fighter, Republicans controlled the Senate from Jan 1981 to Jan.1987 under the Reagan administration. Progressivism had virtually nothing to do Reagan’s vast overspending, the huge majority of it spent on weaponry in his bloated defense budgets all the while the Soviet Union was internally imploding. And as for Bush’s vast overspending, it was on two pointless and hugely expensive wars plus his own vast domestic spending program the $600 billion Medicare Prescription Bill. The Republicans controlled the House from Jan. 2001 to Jan. 2007 while Bush was president. Don’t you know these basic political facts? They are part of the historical record and have nothing to do with kool-aid.

        • Jeff

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      • Tommy cunningham

        To u known- what happened to manufacturing in this country? The answer is goverment involvement in private business, example a minim wage, the only way a business can compensate is have less workers or raise price of goods, so in order to compete they move the manufacture side to another country where it is cheaper to do business , keep prices lower and make more profit ” sole purpose of a business” I don’t believe someone working at say McDonald s is worth being paid 7.75 a hour, the wage should be set by the employer, he is free to do so, if a individual wants to work there he is free to do so, if a individual thinks it doesn’t pay enough he is free to go elsewhere, really how hard is it to work at McDonald’s “hi, may I take your order” is easy , worked there when was 15 years old. Unions have a role of forcing companies overseas also to lower cost of business , I’m 100% anti union, hate that my tax dollar went to some gm workers pension. So I don’t blame business moving . Maybe we should get goverment out of business and let freedom ring, no ones forces a person into a job, it’s the decision of individual to make his self worth valued to the employer or to want to risk everything to become the employer. If a person gets into drugs, makes himself worthless not my problem, it’s his problem , if he fails to educate himself, once again it’s not my problem it’s his! So if business moves do to goverment intrusion or minimum wage, then more power to them. So you libs need to stop complaining about the effect with so called good intention laws!! You get what you asked for, then complain about the result it caused. Lol. The definition of socialism is -A state run economy, what do people think is gonna happen? I own a business , if I need to hire someone to increase my profit I will, if I need to let someone go to save money I will. The butcher doesn’t butcher meat out of the goodness of his heart to feed the hungry, he does it to make money.

      • Vicki

        mark says:
        “No Freedom Fighter, Republicans controlled the Senate from Jan 1981 to Jan.1987 under the Reagan administration. Progressivism had virtually nothing to do Reagan’s vast overspending,”

        Interesting. The Senate is not where budgets are made. That honor goes to the House. Which as Uknowho so thoughtfully pointed out was in the hands of the tax and spend democrats.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        It’s interesting that Vicki slings horsepucky about economic issues along with guns. It must be easy—-just flip to the “tell lies to defend Saint Ronald and the Cowboy” section of the S’n'T’r'Us manual and find some untruth there.

        Will she repeat it a million times? As in:
        RONALD REAGAN AND BUSH 2 DIDN’T DO WHAT EVERYONE KNOWS THEY DID
        STOP SAYING THAT
        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        Vicki is reading to us from the page that says “make the tired old claim that it’s the house and senate that are responsible for deficits”

        Perhaps she has not noticed that we call them the “Reagan Deficits” and the increase in the Debt from the Reagan years is labelled the “Reagan addition to the debt”? Same with Bush 2? And that we also have the “Clinton SURPLUS”, and the Clinton REDUCTION of the debt? It goes back like that into our earliest history. And who controlled the congress is only relevant to those like Vicki who are trying to make excuses for “their boys”.

        Vicki is once more trying to do that deflection that she has been trained for and is paid to do. The FACT is that Republicans under REAGAN invented BORROW and spend, and Bush continued it in spades. The “tax and spend” is a return to sound fiscal policy—-pay for what you buy—don’t push it off on future generations the way Reagan and Bush did..

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker doesn’t and says:
        “It’s interesting that Vicki slings horsepucky about economic issues along with guns.”

        It’s interesting that RBT slings ad hominems rather than address the facts.

        - RBT: “Will she repeat it a million times?

        Will it take that long for you to accept the obvious fact that the House has the “purse strings”?

        - RBT: “Vicki is reading to us from the page that says “make the tired old claim that it’s the house and senate that are responsible for deficits””

        So you are saying that it really IS obama’s fault? How odd.

        - RBT: “Perhaps she has not noticed that we call them the “Reagan Deficits” and the increase in the Debt from the Reagan years is labelled the “Reagan addition to the debt”?”

        I’ve noticed. Repeating a lie does not make it true.

        - RBT: “Vicki is once more trying to do that deflection that she has been trained for and is paid to do.”

        Really? cool I could use the money to help survive obama’s economy. (Is he really at fault?)

        - RBT: “The FACT is that Republicans under REAGAN invented BORROW and spend, and Bush continued it in spades.”

        Proof by bald assertion.

        - RBT: “The “tax and spend” is a return to sound fiscal policy—-pay for what you buy—don’t push it off on future generations the way Reagan and Bush did.”

        Tax and spend does have and interesting history and if it ment what you claim would be a useful limit on government spending. Alas that is not the case
        http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14989.html

        Oh and you mentioned guns. So I thought I should point out that

        ~300 Million Americans didn’t shoot anyone this year. Could you all please contact your representatives and tell them to stop punishing the innocent for the acts of a very few?

        Thanks in advance.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vicki again comes back with her tactic of minimal engagement—-little one liner rejoinders that she thinks are SO clever and say so little.

        Saying “It’s interesting that Vicki slings horsepucky about economic issues along with guns.” IS “addressing the facts”, since she does sling horsepucky about guns, has now done so with economic issues, and that IS interesting. No ad hominems in sight there.

        Vicki asks, “So you are saying that it really IS obama’s fault?”, in her usual attempt to evade and deflect. Not at all, it is clear that most of O’Bama’s deficit is due to the need to counter the damage Bush (and Reagan) did. Bush was left a SURPLUS by Clinton and turned it into a disaster. Reagan created his own disaster with his tax cuts and BORROW and spend policies (and he realized his mistake and later raised taxes).

        More denial from Vicki with “Repeating a lie does not make it true”. You and your ilk are the liars, Vicki, and endlessly repeating the lie will convince no one but the fools who want to believe it.

        I said, “The FACT is that Republicans under REAGAN invented BORROW and spend, and Bush continued it in spades.”, and Vicki trots out the old “Proof by bald assertion” gambit. No, it’s not a matter of opinion, it’s something that is self-evident, HAS BEEN PROVEN and is accepted by all thinking people—-they called it “supply side economics” and “trickle down” AND EVERYONE WHO IS NOT AN IGNORANT AND SELF-DELUDED RIGHT WING KOOLAID DRINKER KNOWS THAT’S TRUE!!!!

        Vicki, as usual, displays smugness and false confidence. I guess that’s what you do when your lipstick is smeared, mascara is running, and hair is a mess—-pretend you have “a pretty face” and hope the world won’t notice your “flaws”.

    • Texas Ride

      Mark you are just another irrational, insane radical. All libs read the same talking-points. You are told to “Deflect, change the topic, obfuscate, deny and blame everyone else” for the insanity that obammie is wreaking on this country!

      You are insane to promote your own destruction by your tribal-lovefest with obammie! You will suffer from the destruction of the economy, there will be no government checks coming out of Washington!

      Liberalism is a mental disease! They prove it with every post!

      • mark

        Liberalism is not a mental disease, it is a political philosophy like conservatism and libertarianism. Advocates of all these political approaches come in all sizes, shapes, races, creeds, genders, and mental states. All the above-mentioned political philosophies are legitimate and strive for influence in the political sphere through debate, experimentation, and elections. Those who adher to these three philosophies are all Americans and equal in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of God. No single one of these philosophies has a monopoly on absolute truth or absolute wisdom. Rather, they contest with one another for influence, power, and ascendence. But none wins total or permanent victory. The debate goes on, generation to generation. This poltical struggle, though lively and heated at times, is the glue that binds us all together as Americans, it is the foundation of our democratic republic.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

      Wow, talk about you’re hate and bile, mark…you are so viscous that even the army would refuse your request to enlist…perhaps you should try the “drug-cartels” or the “KKK”. Word has it, both organizations have “openings”.

      • mark

        WTS/JAYS, my hate and bile? What was so hateful about my response to Mr. Root? To an author who entitles his piece “Proof that Obama is Stark Raving Mad.” There’s some real objective, respectable journalism for you. How else can you respond to such and over-the-top insulting article as this, deliberately entited to provoke strong responses pro and con?. He deserved my sarcastic reply when he gives his article that kind of a title – not to mention its highly exaggerated and cherry-picked content. Did my reply have any racial or religious prejudice in it? Anything that would suggest I might want to join the KKK, as you say? No, none whatsoever. Can’t see why the KKK would want me as a member since I have never made a racist comment against African Americans or or anti-semitic comment against Jewish people on this blog in all the years I have contributed to it. Not once. I’m also a big Obama supporter, as everyone who has read my stuff knows. I think that would automatically disqualify me from consideration by the KKK for membership in their terror group. You are allowing your anger with me to cloud your thinking

        On the other hand, there are some posters here today who I am sure the KKK would love to have on board! Here is a direct quote from Alondra’s post today: ” At least 12 people were murdered to keep the Kenyan Criminal’s QUEER pass hidden.” She writes stuff like this on this blog every single day. Why don’t you condemn her hate and bile? Or some of the other absolute nutjobs who spew similar stuff. Could it be because they are all rightwing and anti-Obama? I don’t know, you tell me. But you seem very selective about who you condemn for hate and bile on this site.

        p.s. The U.S. army already had me in its ranks 1981-1984. I am 50 now, so I doubt they would want me anymore.

    • jimbo999

      Mark,
      It depends on the scale you are using. If I owe $200.00 on my car loan, and I decide to buy a new car and finance $20,000.00, I have increased my debt by 10,000%.
      Am I evil because I wanted a new car?

      Lets look at Obama’s increase of 100%. He doubled the debt from 8 trillion dollars to over 16 trillion dollars in 4 years.

      Now if Reagan doubled he debt, in 8 years, it probably increased from 200 billion to 400 billion, hardly in the same league as Obama. And Obama still has 4 more years to raise it another 8 trillion or so.

      And guess what Mark. You and your children and grandchildren and great grandchildren get to pay for that debt.

      Will that be cash or check, Mark.

      • mark

        No jimbo, Obama inherited $11.5 trillion in nat’l debt on September 30, 2009 when Bush’s last budget and fiscal year ended. This budget and fiscal year started on October 1, 2008 when Bush’s last budget was voted on and approved by Congress. Since then the deficit has risen to $16.5, so Obama has not doubled the national debt, he has added $5 trillion to it. All of this of course during an horrendous economic downturn when tax revenues sank and emergency money for the unemployed and hungry rose dramatically. Now our economy is slowly coming back and the deficit has actually shrank from a high of $1.4 trillion in Obama’s first fiscal year (Oct. 1, 2009-Sept. 30, 2010) to the current estimated deficit for this fiscal year of $900 billion.

        • Jeff

          And most of that $5 trillion would have been added to the debt regardless who was president because of the continuation of the Bush tax and war policies. Mitt Romney notwithstanding, a new President doesn’t get to shake the etch-a-sketch on January 20. The old policies remain in place until they’re changed. In most cases, that takes more than the president acting alone.

          http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama-romney-deficit-debt-chart.php

      • mark

        jimbo, almost forgot to add that Reagan increased the national debt from $900 billion in 1981 to $2.6 billion in 1989 when he left office. Not from $200 billion to $400 billion. If only! Reagan castigated President Carter for having a $68 billion deficit in his last year in office but by 1983 with his vast defense increases, big tax cuts, and weak economy Reagan posted a $250 billion deficit – in just a single year! And that, of course, was in 1983 money. If you adjusted that $250 billion for inflation in today’s money, it would be around $600 billion, as U.S. prices for just about everything have more than doubled in the last 30 years.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Wayne is absolutely stark raving mad if he thinks he has any right to call someone else “absolutely stark raving mad”. Especially when he tries to blame it on O’Bama—-we all know it was Reagan’s and Bush 2′s fault.

    • STEVE E.

      There we go again. Blaming Bush. I haven’t heard the blame Bush mantra in over a week.

    • Butch

      Yr handle is misleading. It infers that you actually CAN and DO think but w/ yr inane ignorant conclusion, you prove otherwise. Yes the Bushes are scum of the earth, Reagan DID overspend BUT he DIDN’T steal it from the American people. This Kenyan fraud is stealing from us, AND claiming its his RIGHT to do so. Just one I’d like to see a Libtard defend their Kenyan fraud W/OUT bringing up Bush or anyone else and defend this usurper on HIS OWN MERIT or lack thereof.

    • FreedomFighter

      Working as a minimum wage democratic shill has to hurt. Quit now RBT and save some of your dignity.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

    • Right Brain Thinker

      A comment that it was Bush’s Fault” always gets the hit count up—-Bob Livingston should thank me for that. And FFB, i do it for love of country, and wouldn’t take a penny for it—-it’s a S/F thing so you wouldn’t understand.

      STEVE E.says “I haven’t heard the blame Bush mantra in over a week” That’s because
      so many folks on PLD are in such a state of extreme denial that it’s hardly worth mentioning more often than that. Even saying it a million times like Vicki’s ~300 MILLION likely wouldn’t make a difference.

      Butch says, “Reagan DID overspend BUT he DIDN’T steal it from the American people”.
      That’s news to me, Butch—-who DID he steal it from?

      And, “This Kenyan fraud is stealing from us, AND claiming its his RIGHT to do so. Just one I’d like to see a Libtard defend their Kenyan fraud W/OUT bringing up Bush or anyone else and defend this usurper on HIS OWN MERIT or lack thereof”. I’d be glad to do that but it’s not necessary—the POTUS (who you so childishly call names) is not stealing from anybody—-in fact he’s trying to get some $$$$ back from those who are doing it. Stop drinking the koolaid and open your eyes—-you’re being used.

      • momo

        So when does Obama own the economy, or is it Bush’s fault for the second term too?

        • Jeff

          Obama has been hamstrung by repugs in Congress who would sooner destroy the economy than allow him to receive credit for the recovery. If McCain or Romney were President, the same Republicans who deride all stimulus spending as wasteful would be fully on board to aid the states to avoid reducing state and local payrolls. In every recession until this one, federal spending for police, teachers, etc. has increased markedly to keep unemployment from topping out. It happened under Reagan, under Bush, under everyone. But not under Obama, the one you call a socialist. Under Obama, such spending has diminished. Why? Because Mitch McConnell cared about nothing but denying Obama a 2nd term. Well, he’s been re-elected and the Repugs are still trying to bring the economy to its knees. Read some real economists, not the hacks on this site.

          http://www.nbcnews.com/id/46979738/ns/msnbc-up_with_chris_hayes/vp/48716561#48716561

      • Uknowho

        Momo,

        The collpase of 2007 was not Bush’s doing, he was complicit but it was not his doing. It was mostly Reagan and Clinton and their Congresses.

        I never blamed Bush alone for what happened. There is much blame to go around on that one.

        But to say Obama with the filibuster happy GOP and their ownership of the House since 2010 is responsible for the continuing issues the economy has is quite simply… a lie.

        The right, conservatives, GOP can’t even lay out what spending Obama is responsble for that got us this 6T that the parrots like to repeat over and over again.

        Truth, Education and information can set you free… I suggest getting some.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        There isn’t as much difference between the two parties as most people think. Both parties desperately need tons of cash for campaigns, and they both get their money from the same sources. So you can’t expect their real agendas to be all that much different.

      • Karolyn

        Jay, I just saw a Facebook post that said that congressmen should be made to wear tee shirts with their sponsors on them. “-)

        • Jeff

          Good idea. And add their most famous quote. Saxby Chambliss just said when asked if he’d changed his position on gay marriage that he wasn’t gay so didn’t plan on having one. What a perfect encapsulation of the Republican (“I’ve got mine, f*** you.”) philosophy. Southern politicians haven’t changed much. Fifty years ago, Chambliss would have said, “I’m not Black so why do I care if they can eat at lunch counters.”

  • http://rickmick.com/ rickmick1570

    I am 57 years old and Obama is the worst president I have known. President Ronald Reagan was an actor, but Obama is the best. He portrays himself as a caring president with nothing but love for all man kind.

    • Uknowho

      Were you in this country from 2000-2008?

      What specifically makes Obama the worst? He did not cause the collapse of 2007, he did not get into two useless wars, he is not the originator of tax cut and spend policy (That would be Reagan).

      Give me specifics please on why Obama is the worst. How about thie GOP dominated Congress. Are they the worst too?

      • Tommy cunningham

        2007 happened largely due to fanny Mae and Freddy Mac. , “housing market bubble collapse” tied to Democratic Party , and the idea that its not fair for someone who can’t afford to buy a house not be able to, so under carter and strengthened by Clinton , the rules where eased and mortgage companies forced by federal goverment to give loans to those who couldn’t afford it. Isn’t it wired that Pelosi predicted the so called October surprise before it happened,?yet know one has asked how she knew , was it engineered to collapse to create a crisis, never waste a good crisis?? Just curious as to why questions to the warning ” wait for the October surprise” has never really been brought up? If they knew why not do something to correct it, or did it happen for a reason, part of a bigger plan?

      • Uknowho

        Tommy, you really don’t believe lobbying by the banks, mortgage houses had nothing to do with it? How about Wall Street?

        They were just innocent bystanders in all this?

        Fannie and Freddie were part of the problem. PART. The main culprits were the banks, wall street and mortage houses… For a time, everyone was making money… Bush said after 9-11, take out equity in your home and buy stuff, the market will only go up up up! That is what the banksters said.

        Thanks to unbelieveable greed by the corporatists in the United States, we played a leading role in almost bringing down the entire world economy. The banksters in Iceland that ruined that economy are in jail, Ours get bailed out and more power.

      • http://rickmick.com/ rickmick1570

        Do you call ObamaCare, good? Do you call NDAA, good? Do you call his drones, Good? Do you call Gays getting married, good? Do you call bypassing congress and the Constitution, good? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9913615/Barack-Obama-has-authority-to-use-drone-strikes-to-kill-Americans-on-US-soil.htmlhttp://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/world/asia/u-n-drone-objections/index.html I could go on for hours for all the crimes this idiot has done.. Bush may have been bad, but he doesn’t even hold a candle to this insane criminal. If you think Obama is a good person, may God help you.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        Uknowho: I think the point that PLD has been making for the past few years, Mr. Root being the exception, is that, both parties, work hand-in-glove, colluded together, and have done irreparable-damage. And if you will notice, and as history shows, with each elected-President, the situation for Americans progressively worsened…that, is a fact! But I hear what you’re saying and i agree with you. It is totally unfair to lay all the blame at Obama’s feet…but he is no less guilty of collusion! If he was, as you progressives claim, a champion of the “little-guy”, why then would he have raped the tax-payers of trillions of dollars and transferred the stolen loot in to the hands of the criminals who have been raping the american-taxpayers since time immemorial? Obama is no different. Obama is of the same class as Bush(1&2), Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson…ect. Don’t you get it? All have come from the same “stable”, and (all) have been selected, not elected!

      • Tommy cunningham

        To unknown, didn’t say banks, corporations, unions didn’t have a hand in it, the problem is we have laws for one group and different laws for another due largely to the fact they help get people in office and in return said elected official pass unconstitutional laws in their favor as reward, same goes for the poor, a politician promises a handout illegally taken from someone else for their vote. Novel idea, not perfect, but pretty damn close , one set of laws for all applied equally by a goverment limited in what it can do TO and FOR the people by a Constitution . If you think goverment is limited then I suggest u sit the crack pipe down and step back. Read the Constitution , when it says the goverment can’t do something it means it, there is no good intention/reason clause to violate it!

      • Uknowho

        Yes Rick,

        Allowing homosexuals equality is a good thing.

        Obamacare, not perfect but better than what was going on before

        NDAA, not a fan at all.

        Drones? Have you been hit by a drone attack?

        Come on….

        Reagan
        Underminded the Unions so middle class and poor wages stagnated
        Hoped in bed with the big banks, wall street, big oil and the defense industry big time.
        Lied to the American people about negotiating with terrorists
        Used profits from arms sales to our enemy to pay for a BS war in Central America
        Let Afghanistan fall into kaos after the Soviet pullout
        After 200 Marines got blown up in Lebanon, Reagan showed what a coward he was… he cut and ran and the people that did this got off scott free.
        Laid the foundation for the massive debt we have today.

        Reagan was a much worse president than Obama

        Bush 2

        Ignored 9-11 warnings (3000 Americans dead)
        Used 9-11 as a political tool to go into Iraq (3T spend, hundreads of thousands dead to give more money to the defense and oil industries and give Iran a free hand)
        A worldwide laughing stock diplomatically
        Religious litmus test at the DOJ
        Outed a CIA operative (teason)
        Terrible fed response to katrina
        While two wars are raging, he allows tax cuts to increase out debt and insure military families are the only ones sacrificing for Bush’s war.
        Secret Energy meetings
        VP gets residual payments from Hailburton who recieves no-bid contracts
        No enforcement of environmental laws

        Bush 2 was the WORST president in the last 150 years.

        • Jeff

          Future history students may have to determine whether W was the worst or his forbear, Franklin Pierce. Please, no more from that family! Sterilization may be in order.

      • Vicki

        Uknowho says:
        “What specifically makes Obama the worst? He did not cause the collapse of 2007,”

        Well. Like the man said obama didn’t build the collapse by himself.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_918789&feature=iv&src_vid=NU6fuFrdCJY&v=1RZVw3no2A4

      • Karolyn

        Speaking of drones, I head part of a conversation wit a manufacturer on the radio the other day. Before we know it, the sky will be filled with drones. Business is starting to boom. Everybody will have one. :-) One thing that was pointed out in the conversation was that drones have their limits such as not being able to fly in all weather

        • Jeff

          Dick Cheney’s will be armed with Tomahawk Missiles. It’s the only way he can bag a buck!

      • Dave

        Vicki, Vicki, Vicki

        Obama was only a Jr Senator in 2007, the damage was done in the 1980′s and 1990′s and Bush helped send us over the edge with his wars and tax cuts.

        History can be a tricky subject but once you understand that Obama was nowhere near in power when the economy collapsed or when the deregulation, tax cut and spend, and bad trade deals were put in place, you will be half way home.

      • Vicki

        Dave says:
        “Obama was only a Jr Senator in 2007, the damage was done in the 1980′s and 1990′s and Bush helped send us over the edge with his wars and tax cuts.”

        I didn’t say Obama did his part of the damage as a Senator who only voted present.

        - Dave: “History can be a tricky subject but once you understand that Obama was nowhere near in power when the economy collapsed or when the deregulation, tax cut and spend, and bad trade deals were put in place, you will be half way home.”

        And should you actually study the history barely touched at in the link I provided you will find a LOT of dirty laundry. obama’s laundry is part of it.

      • Dave

        Vicki,

        You wrote:

        “Well. Like the man said obama didn’t build the collapse by himself.”

        That means that you think Obama had a hand in the 2007 collapse which he did not.

        Unless that sentence means something different in your world.

    • Jeff

      Reagan, like Nixon before him, conspired with the enemy, going around the Administration to essentially rig the election. Both should have been jailed for treason. Reagan also clearly violated the law in the Iran-Contra business. He also ushered in an era of greed and essentially told anyone with money to be proud of it and not to worry about the poor. That being said, he had at least a bit of sense and didn’t govern as radically as his rhetoric would indicate. He was no W – the absolute worst president in U.S. history.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

        Jeff: Both should have been jailed for treason

        All of them have been treasonous, especially the current-impostor…and all of them should be jailed!

    • Don 2

      Most Americans have a problem getting their arms around the fact that an American president would intentionally want to destroy America. Too many dumbed-down Americans works to Obama’s favor. Most Americans do not recognize ‘political jihad’ for what it is, intentional destruction from within the system. Most politicians opposing Obama’s destructive policies are too afraid to call it what it is, but they are starting to come around.

      Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck got it long ago. Dennis Miller woke up about a year ago. Mark Levin gets it. Bill O’Reilly is just now having an internal mental fight within himself over it, but he is starting to wake up. Even leftist whacko Bill Mahar, is beginning to struggle with the tax the rich to death, and spend recklessly policies of Obama, stating that the left may even lose him.

      Incredibly, the idiots who worship their Dear Marxist Leader, continue to swim here, and pathetically try to defend Obama’s policies on this site. If the end result was not so serious, their bottom-feeding attempts defending Obama could be considered comical.

  • jimbo999

    I wouldn’t have any problem with Obama’s insanity if he was sweeping the floors at a McDonald’s after closing time.

    But this insane person has the Nuclear football. He can legally launch a nuclear attack and destroy multiple continents. He can declare Martial Law and arrest half the people in this country, sending them to Concentration Camps in the Southwest desert. He can make an executive decision shutting off water, fuel, and food to the whole country. He can start another Civil War. If you think we could fight against it, just think about this: In a Civil War, Russia, China, much of Europe, and all the Middle East except Israel, Mexico, and most of Africa and South America, being either Communist or Muslim, would side with Obama. Do you think your BB gun would have a chance against 90% of the world’s Armies and Navys?

    • FreedomFighter

      100 million gun owners in the USA…that my friend is allot of bb guns.

      If you want to bend over and take it, you deserve what you get. I wont.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

    • Jeff

      Fortunately for all of us, the crazies are all columnists on this blog. Somehow, debt didn’t matter until the minute Obama got elected in 2008. The sources of the debt are the same as they were in 2008 – the wars, the tax cuts, and the weak economy in the wake of the financial crisis. We still have historically low tax rates, but the Republicans refuse to consider revenues as part of any deficit reduction deal. Bush wanted tax cuts because he wanted tax cuts. Good economy, bad economy – it didn’t matter. Tax cuts and deregulation were the answer to everything. It’s the Republican religion and it’s only gotten worse. During the “good old days” the Republicans like to point to, taxes were much higher, and entry into the middle class didn’t require an MBA in screwing workers.

      • FreedomFighter

        Our political system is now a 2 sided coin, its a single coin, not 2 different coins, just one coin on one side dems, other Repubs: it makes no differance what side is up, its the same coin and the coin is owned by the elites.

        Stop drinking the KOOLAIDE, you will not be spared what is coming.

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

      • speedle

        “The sources of the debt”, Jeff, are overwhelmingly the result of “entitlement programs”, not defense spending or anything else you want to dream up.

        Get your facts straight if you are going to comment. It doesn’t matter which administration is the most culpable. If you want to solve a problem you have to recognize what the problem is and the facts surrounding it. Defaulting to mindless defense of party affiliation doesn’t get the job done.

        • Jeff

          Social Security does not contribute to the deficit. It pays for itself and when it needs an adjustment, it is an easy fix (e.g. raise the cap). Medicare is more complex as there are more moving parts. Why do you right wingers only worry about money when it’s about helping ordinary people? You guys have been against every social advance for 100 years – until it becomes too popular to criticize. I’m sure you preferred the days when people worked until they died.

          Somehow, money is never an issue when a Republican wants to occupy a country or cut taxes. Budgets are about priorities. The Republican Budget is nothing more than a right wing wishlist. This chart illustrates the principal sources of the debt.

          http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama-romney-deficit-debt-chart.php

      • Wim Vonk

        Jeff you are right. All governments are bad not just Obama., too many people in these columns just wish to take on Obama every single day because they hate him. The Repuiblicans are just as bad maybe even worse, just listen to the Tea party types or lunatic fringe as iu call them. We solved the deficit as few years ago iun Canada, althugh it is back now, by cutting programmes and RAISING TAXES Republicans won’t listen to raising taxes.Who are the lunatics here?

      • Tommy cunningham

        60% of goverment spending goes to SS and Medicare. These programs are only popular with those made dependent on it, if people would be allowed to opt out and invest his own money for retirement privately, most would opt out, which would show how truly popular it is, which is why the individual citizen will never be allowed to have that choice, there is no freedom and SS is a Ponzi scheme , which is why those of us who want no part of a goverment mandated retirement plan can’t be allowed to opt out , as it would collapse it.

        • Jeff

          The difference between SS and a ponzi scheme is there’s nobody named Ponzi getting rich by stealing anybody’s money. It’s like saying a bank is just like a loan shark because both lend money and get repaid. It’s the other stuff he does that defines the loan shark. Same with a ponzi scheme.

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Oh, Jeffry, what madness!

        When you’ll stop re-post talking points from the barackobama.com and his Caucasian “body boy” Messina’s “Organizing for Action”?

        Jeffry, you wrote: “Obama got elected in 2008”

        Jeffry, When you’ll start to treat your “Truth Deficit Disorder” and stop lying?

        Even in 2008 the Kenyan FRAUD STOLE(!!!) the primary from the Caucasian Witch Hillary.
        There are multitude of evidences and witnesses, Jeffry!

        The Massive voter fraud and voter intimidations and manipulations were perpetrated on the Democrat voters in the 2008 election
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXDJgprbnuo

        Jeffry, STOP YOUR FALSEHOOD!
        JUST STOP IT!
        STOP IT, RIGHT NOW!
        FREE US FROM YOUR RIDICULOUS LIES!

        Jeffry, stay toned for the further report and fell free to pass it on.

      • Tommy cunningham

        The so called Ponzi in the SS Ponzi scheme is the Government Jeff.

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Jeffry,Three people are Criminally Charged with the Voter FRAUD in Ohio, includin Poll Worker, who voted 6 (SIX !!!) times for the the Kenyan FRAUD in the White House.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfePEOAXWiU&feature=youtu.be

        Please feel free to spread the GOOD News and stay tuned for the further information.

        “For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.” – Jesus Christ (Mathew 10:26; Luke 8:17)

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Jeffry, Here is another Voter FRAUD, but this one in NY State.

        4 (FOUR!!!) Democratic Officials Plead Guilty To Election Fraud in NY: Court Ordered DNA Samples From Dem Officials. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ateAGCJ9FpQ

        And there is an investigation in Indiana.

        “For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.” – Jesus Christ (Mathew 10:26; Luke 8:17)

        Jeffry, spread the TRUTH.

        “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” (2Ezdra 4:41)

      • Karolyn

        Yes, Jeff, per Alondra: “Stay toned.” Make sure you get to the gym regularly.

      • Tommy cunningham

        We don’t have a revenue problem!!!!!!! We have a spending problem, first we should lower the tax to 3% of what a person makes regardless of how much or little one may have, poor and rich pay the same, equal, can’t get any more fair than equal. Second we cut goverment by at least 60% of its size, do away with all social welfare programs, health care, SS . The goverment needs to stick to its delegated powers and no more regardless of how good the reason is, turn the powers not delegated to federal goverment nor prohibited by Constitution back over to the states. That is how you solve the spending problem and revenue problem!!! Follow the Constiturion. Example, we don’t need the ATF as it is unconstitutional for federal goverment to determine what a state does regarding alcohol or tobacco as this is a state right, the only time the fed had right to deal with alcohol was after 18th admendment ratified, it has since then been repealed and that power rest with the state…..,,,,,,same goes for drugs, and tobacco. Firearm regulation is prohibited to fed and state by 2nd amendment “so that’s handoff” regardless of good intentions. I could go on, problems all solved if follow Constitution. No goverment can be perfect but as Jefferson said I would rather suffer problems of to much liberty than to those attending to little a degree of it. “Not word for word “

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

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    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      We’re insane by judging him insane. Look at this “insane” man’s accomplishments compared to ours.

  • cork130

    Let’s start by stripping away the attacks, on the President and each other and look at the key issues:
    1) Mental Sanity isn’t the issue; it’s political and economic philosophy

    2) The basic laws of economics, like physics, are un changeable. Regardless of how much you want something to happen that is in violation of either physics or economic laws the outcome won’t vary. I wish I could fly but no matter how many times I jump off the roof flapping my arms I’m still going to fall to the ground.

    3)When a nation, any nation, goes into debt and doesn’t change it’s basic financial policies the outcome will always be the same. (Just look at Spain,Ireland, Greece, Italy for examples)

    3)If a Nation continues to spend more than its income their are only two probable outcomes, beyond going further in debt: a- Hyper Inflation or b-Devaluation of the currency

    4) Over the past 4 years the value of the US Dollar has dropped by approx 30%. This makes imported goods more expensive and, theoretically, exports more competitive. This is theoretical as other factors impact exports

    5) The key to government spending rarely is based on economics; almost always it’s political philosophy. As long as those in power believe it is the Governments job to provide everything for everyone, as long as they believe all decisions and power is best done and held by the government they will spend without consideration of the revenue or income side, other than to confiscate more and more of the producers, the owners and workers money

    Looking at the issue from this perspective it’s clear the problem isn’t sanity per se but a political desire to change the very fabric of our nation. A desire to consolidate all power and authority within a central government. A desire to make the people dependent on the government. A desire to change the fundamental belief that the people empower the Government and the Government being restricted by the Constitution to a government of unrestricted, unlimited power and authority.

    Many other countries have gone down that path and the result was the same for each; thousands, even millions of citizens murdered, unmotivated and unhappy workers, and a totally failed economies that have impoverish the majority of their people.

    This is the path Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the other Progressives want to take thinking they can make it work when no one else has because they are “smarter”.

    Is this insane? Perhaps but those who elect them certainly are!

    • FreedomFighter

      Doin the same thing over and over again expecting a changed result — is the definition of “INSANITY”

      You only prove Mr Roots point.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

    • matforce

      Austerity in a depressed economy is a downward spiral. The ill-advised strategy to “starve the beast” (Grover Norquist Pledge) until you can drown it in a bathtub by reducing or curtailing revenue at a time when jobs for our high wage populous have been offshored, wealth consolidation at the top is at a hundred year high, and trade imbalance ($600 BILLION trade deficits/yr) that serves to fleece our consumer market even as jobs that create these consumer products have been procured by sweatshop labor in the “global economy” while our “multinationals” realize record gains.

      We’ve had 30 years of the lowest marginal tax rates since before the Great Depression (see: history of marginal tax rates)

      There are a myriad of loopholes written into the tax code that allow the wealthy to hide their money from taxation (see: top ten ways the wealthy escape taxation)

      Corporate tax loopholes account for an estimated $340 BILLION in corporate welfare each year that go to subsidize the most profitable corporations this world has ever seen. (GE makes $4 BILLION pays zero tax, Facebook qualifies for a $425 MILLION tax refund, Exxon/Mobil, etc. etc.)

      Corporations who garner the lion’s share of their profits from the USA consumer market, park their vast profits in offshore bank accounts to escape taxation by their nation of origin with impunity (paying taxes to America the Beautiful is for chumps!). USA corporations (many of whom have offshored jobs) are sitting on $5 TRILLION in profits. (If just $1 BILLION draws a 5% return, sitting in a bank on on the market, that’s $50,000,000- $50 MILLION, get it?)

      Offshoring jobs: 50,000 manufacturing facilities closed up, 9 million jobs offshored (USA Midwest “Industrial Belt” becomes “Rust Belt in just 18 years) China- $1.36/hr. avg. wage exerting downward pressure on wages here to compete. (see history of FTAs)

      Small Businesses (now THERE’S the REAL “job creators;” how disingenuous that phrase has become) who employ USA workers, are cutting costs to the bone, and are, by necessity, exerting downward pressure on wages to compete in the “global economy” that benefits our “multinationals” tremendously. See: S3816; speaks volumes!

      Our elected legislators who’ve been bought and paid for by BIG $$$ that has divided America the Beautiful into bits and pieces to turn a larger profit share, have not gone nearly far enough with their weak-kneed proposals: Here’s a stab at a directional change that would help bring about solvency for our beloved nation:

      1. Return marginal tax rates to those used during the Eisenhower and Kennedy era; the BOOM YEARS! Write within the tax code, a provision for escaping this rate; that being- INVESTING this fabulous wealth in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! (USA corporations, USA Research and Development, USA Aeronautics, USA medical research, USA Entrepreneurialism, USA Bonds, USA Education Funds, USA Universities, NASA, USA construction companies to modernize the infastructure, philantropy, etc., etc.) This would channel the USA wealth into the USA and then back into the wealthy. If the wealthy wish to invest in the China derivatives, et. al., then they would be taxed on their income and returns at the marginal rate.

      2. Reduce corporate tax rates on USA corporations and businesses that stay home and hire USA workers, to anywhere from 0% to 15%, depending on the wage scale and benefits they pay their employees.

      3. Eliminate tax loopholes, subsidies, credits, write-offs, for offshoring corporations to ZERO, ZILCH, ZIPPO, NADDA!

      4. Tariff imports according to the exporting nation’s wage scale and human rights records. (Example: nations who use sweatshop labor conditions, and violate basic human rights would be tariffed at a higher rate, say, 60%, while nations that have a comparable wage scale to ours, and promote the human rights of their workforce would have access to our market, tariff-free.

    • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

      Actually the basic laws of “economics” are not like “physics”…..

      There are no Laws of Economics.

      There is no discipline of Economics.

      Not understanding this……..is the problem!!!!!

  • David

    WTS/JAYS: O am getting very tired of all the talk about how (we) are going to have to give (these people) money. Social Security was taken out of their check each and every payday and it was the Democratic that moved that fund from a self contained fund to the general fund.
    You see while all the baby boomers were working and putting money into this fund there was not much being taken out in the form of payouts (it is their money they paid into the system) but government saw all that pile of cash just sitting there and nobody really making withdrawals so they decided they could use that money for other social programs and such so they pulled this money over to the general fund and everyone (and I mean everyone grabbed a handfuls of it to spend on this project or that project. Social Security is not some moochers it is people who paid into the system that the government mishandled and it is not their fault. Some of you act as if you are paying for this. Wrong, this is the seniors being paid back for the money they paid into the system. And by the way they are already getting screwed because the dollars they put into the system were more valuable (had more buying power) than the ones they are getting back
    So Leta just stop the talk that the seniors are draining us down, if not the next logical step is to remove the burden (two ways government does this) 1. You can give them such meager amounts that they can’t live on it so they have to make choices like pills or food. Or pills for my wife or I don’t eat for a few days. 2. This one history has shown us too with Hitler’s solutions to anything the government deems a problem.
    By the way our country that the baby boomers help build is having the first one done to them.

    • Tommy cunningham

      I don’t think of SS as a entitlement program unless one draws it who has never paid in. However I think it needs done away with, those who put in should recieve the whole amount back plus interest and SS done away with, as the whole problem is the federal goverment shouldn’t be in the business of providing a retirement or healthcare plan to its citizens, this is a individual responsability , and it’s unsustainable . The problem with SS program is that we have a program!

      • phideaux

        As I see it SS and to an extent Medicare are the only entitlement programs. We were forced to contribute to them and are dam,n well entitled to get our money back with interest compounded over our working lifetimes.

  • http://personalliberty Alondra

    Must listen this:
    Expert Predicts Prison Time for Those Who’ve Helped Obama
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/markgillar/2013/03/16/expert-predicts-prison-time-for-those-whove-helped-obama

    At least 12 people were murdered to keep the Kenyan Criminal’s QUEER pass hidden.
    People in Kenya were killed as well.
    And you will find WHY NBC is in bad with the Kenyan Kriminal.
    You also will find about Obama Sr.’s lies to Harvard.

    “For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.” – Jesus Christ (Mathew 10:26; Luke 8:17)

    Pass it on.

  • STEVE E.

    It is sad to say there are just two reasons why the U.S. is not yet a banana republic. The first reason is that the US dollar has not yet lost its world’s reserve currency status, which is helping to keep interest rates at record low levels. If the dollar, yen and euro were not involved in a currency war, the dollar’s intrinsic decline would become much more evident, causing domestic inflation to soar, and our bond market to immediately collapse.
    The other reason why we have not been declared a banana republic is because America is not located between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn

  • don MacDermid

    Social Security is the best illustration of the treasonous cancer ripping this country apart.
    This was published Jan. 2013:

    “A nation in its death throes, poisoned from within, deceived, fouled and forsaken, lies in the “Washington” Towers of Babble awaiting its fate. The poster child is SSI, which is and always has been a trust fund with a trustee sworn to fiduciary covenants; all directly under the control of our nation’s executive, legislative, and judicial officers; all bound by oath and covenant to “preserve and protect” top down to the last person and penny spent! The mile wide trail of money begs competent INDEPENDENT audit and prosecution!

    The SSI “pay-as-you-go” Ponzi scam fearlessly parades beyond bankruptcy and collapse, because corrupted executive and legislative branches of government (both parties) wantonly violate their powers to regulate, tax, and encumber citizens! Their 12.4% SSI is enough to pay 6.8 average $1,235/mo. benefits (4.8 total all combined (SSI) benefits paid)! 2) They levy general taxation to pay SSI benefits because SSI trust funds under their direct control were looted and have no tangible wealth! 3) They openly borrow wealth by printing paper “consumption backed” bonds they guarantee (that) “CITIZEN TAXPAYERS” will repay, at (an issue) rate of 43% (number of the day) of every dollar they spend and give away! That obviously includes hundreds of billions to “noncitizens”, gunrunning terrorists, and communist nations! 4) They openly allow and encourage the FED to print counterfeit currency to buy those bonds and flood the existing currency; to create perverse visions of wealth that doesn’t exist and can’t be generated because the process is manically satanic! 5) They reduced interest rates to zero to divert investment capital into the scam and more consumption, making our nation totally dependent on Communist China’s productivity (look at the labels!)! It’s not about mistakes, opinions, or stupid! It’s deadly treasonous power to “regulate and control” the arrogance of individual citizen freedom.

    That brings us to “their” fiscal cliff, where “they” intend to dump “our” citizen taxpayers into an abyss! The disastrous $16 trillion debt limit and $6 trillion debt increases in about 3.6 years does relate to 3.6 years of legislative and executive officers spending and looting without budget, plan, or accountability to 315 million US citizens! Because the pillage of SSI and endless non-SSI pension funds is so far beyond $6 or $16 trillion to imagine, Sen. Harry Reed tells us to move over, because he’s going to raise taxes, increase spending, regulate every move we make with criminal penalty, and do it without budget or anyone else’s authority. His venom spews all over our Constitution and statutes. If all officers would line up at the edge of the Grand Canyon, salute, and then those who want to step forward do so, and those who don’t step back… the problem and justice would be solved.

    The malignancy is in our executive and legislative government. Remove the cancer, and that government body will overwhelm the global bankers who plunder our treasury! We must force deceivers to explain “what they do” without interruption. When they run out of words, we’ll have criminal cases against them! Crime will end when prosecuted and forcefully stopped!”

    xxxx
    SSI facts: Average wage $43,500, SSI rate 12.4%, & retirement 65 birthday (ref/gov). ROI interest 5% (US OASDI record). Trust fund quoted – “earned… legal, moral, political right… (that) no damn politician can scrap…” Actuarial life – 78 (wikipedia) A monthly compounded annuity age 18/65 future value is $963,005 and it pays back 65/78 $1,311,588 on total worker contributions of $248,124 on same contributions. SSI pays back $192,660 to retirees or $273,192 with combined SSI benefits! An average citizen loses $1,038,396! Instead of $100+trillion trust funds OASDI 2010 shows $2.4 trillion of Obama-Bernanke-Geitner “consumption” bonds. OASDI records indicate current SSI benefits are almost entirely paid by worker tax receipts at a level of 3.9 workers to one combined benefit Obviously worker contributions are consumed and not secured as “principal” and will never be in a “trust fund” to pay “current workers” when they retire.

    THINK ON THIS: workers who are paying almost 5 times too much for their retirement benefits over 46 years find their nest eggs stolen when they retire! The thieves are stealing the nest egg “seeds” of four future retirees (who will have nothing when they retire) to pay one retiree victim! It’s time for prosecution and purge first, then recovery and restitution!

    • don MacDermid

      Part of the riddle is within the Consumer Price Index. Problem is – recent data is cooked, but old stuff has relevance. Setting up a table to determine annual inflation, cumulative inflation & devaluation – even annualized annuity data are relatively easy. We must know the issues and process, reasonably document damages, and deal in truth in terms of Constitution and statute according to Constitution!

      The 2011 CPI of 224.94 vs 32.40 in 1966 says inflation was 694.3% & dollars devalued to 14.4 cents (14.4%)— that tells you a $450/ month SSI tax today would be identical to paying $64.80 in 1966. GOV inflated SSI benefit payments but doesn’t inflate the return on investment, ( It gets flaky $100 deflated10% to $90 value with 5% interest added is $99,- you lose when dealing with thieves.)

      The burning issue is devaluation. GOV pays back $144 purchasing power on any 1966 continuous $1000 debt, (whether a single bond or perpetual reissue of many)! If you bought the bonds or they were in your SSI “trustless”:account, you lost $844 principle purchasing power and any interest thereon, if any!

      The scam is far more vicious than that! Look at the OASDI trust fund report & it’s quite obvious their $2.4 trillion fund balance is cooked to “look good” (2010). Based on the 12.4% tax & their 5% apparent interest earnings, that balance should be perhaps as high as $159 trillion. If you run a backward annuity to find a rate that will yield current average SSI retiree & other benefits, you find the rate should be 2.583%, not 12.4%! If one reduced the fund accordingly, the balance is around $33 trillion. Bottom line if $2.4T divided by $159T=1.5%, as much as 98.5% of the average worker’s SSI nest egg was stolen! That tells you interest received is really only 5% on 1.5% (0.075%) of the balance that should be there (almost nothing)!

      It doesn’t end there! Obama’s Shariah/Communist compliant zero interest (FED rate) gutted all “capitalist” secure annuities (all pension plans including SSI). If you go back to the average wage annuity, instead of getting $1,311,588, you might think you would get the $248,124 cash you paid into SSI, and you will, BUT DEFLATED, IT WILL BE RELATIVELY WORTHLESS. Because, there will be zero productive private investment in the USA, the country will collapse. Zero rates means capital (our bank accounts & pensions, & mutuals) is and will be invested off shore, and our economy will deplete wealth until there is none. Today, government entities are borrowing and taxing citizens to build capital infrastructure for “global monopolies” just so people will have a place to work – The governments bonds payback to you will devalue just like everything else.

      We’re talking about criminal activity that will enslave this country. It’s time to overwhelm federal corruption with state and local suits, prosecutions, and punishment according to Constitution and existing laws – THEY’RE empowered by oath and Constitution to do that!

  • http://google judith peairson

    I never thought America woyld be such a stupid country as to buy into this poltical horse manure
    people realy need to wake up an tell the goverment
    we don’t need them anymore. We can run our own states
    and the offices that are now ryn by the goverment can be run by private
    business. We can put the so called “disabled” to work in them an he
    them work an pay taxes like the rest of us. Come on Americs lets take our country back. While we still have a country !
    Judith Peairson

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Bush Sr., the dedicated Fascist, is the one who planned on the dumbing down of America with his HEW bureaucacy. You will noyice there is NO reference to education in the Constitution. The Founders knew that government is an opinion and should it get involved in education, the only thing would be taught would be in line that opinion. Franklin saw a line in education that involved moral education along with intellectual education. Together they are the strength of the State. Apart the State will crumble, as what’s happening today.

      • Proud to be a Believer

        Before you show how utterly ignorant you are of the facts, you should research. Bush had nothing to do with HEW, that was one of your favorites, Jimmy Carter. I am just amazed at the ignorance of many of the Democrats. Like the 57 States from Obama, pronouncing CORP as it is written instead of Cor.just to name a few.

        • Jeff

          Then I’m sure you loved all the idiotic statements made by W, by Sarah Palin, by Michelle Bachmann, by Paul Broun, by Louie Gohmert, by Todd Akin, etc., etc. etc.

    • Anthony

      Government offices ARE run by provate business. What would your suggestion solve?

    • FreedomFighter

      Many wonder why the world goes as it does, just does not make sense. As if unseen, unknown puppet masters pull the strings and governments dance and politicians parrot nonsense. For many it is clear:

      They follow the morning star – Lucifer, they tell you in media and scream it at the top of there lungs, Un-holywood pushes it constantly, the Icons of thier worship pepper videos, and movies and music is dedicated to them to scream there purpose.

      Example:

      “Fallen Angels”
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkzLPoDVrOM

      Knowingly or not, the message is given, the call made and the unseen continue to work the agenda of the Morning Star.

      Of course this may only make sense to the biblical grounded, I dont care, to me it seems Obvious. Ever seen a real exorcism? You will never look at the world the same again.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

  • ONTIME

    The Faker in the WH is using your taxe money against you to create shortages, and drive up anxiety to achieve his agenda…your confuson and indecisivness is his gain..

  • TUNAMAN

    FOLKS!!!! IF YOU CAN FIND A PUBLICATION ON THE DOWNFALL OF ROME, GET IT AND FIND OUT WHAT TOOK DOWN THE “ROMAN EMPIRE”!! IF YOU CAN’T SEE THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE USA IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS CLOWN IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS DOING, THEN THIS COUNTRY IS LOST!! ENJOY THE RIDE IF YOU CAN BECAUSE IT’S GOING TO BE HELL ON EARTH!!!

    • http://personalliberty Alondra

      TunaMan, this is the goal of those Mentally Pervert and Sexually DEPRAVED in the People’s House.

      In the Kenyan FRAUD administration there are more than 250 DEBAUCHED.

      In case if you missed: http://theblacksphere.net/2013/03/first-lady-pole-dancing/
      What a “wonderful” example for the young girls. Total lock of the ethical manners and values.

      “Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.” (I Samuel 24:13)

      • Karolyn

        Yes, dancing is EVIL! OMG! Alondra, Do you not know the joy of dancing? Feeling the rhythm and moving with it? Dancing is the most freeing thing one can do. To be lost in movement is spiritual. Maybe you have no rhythm and can’t dance? Jealous?

    • Vicki

      This video explains types of government and includes a section on Rome. It sounds eerily familiar to the Republic we live(d) in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      The section on Rome starts at 8:20 but the entire video is only about 10 min long and well worth watching.

  • http://personalliberty Alondra

    Just listen this: No achievement recognitions. Equality for everyone if you want the collective “salvation” http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html

  • AZ-Ike

    “But there is one part of the economy thriving: the stock market. That keeps going up because Obama has guaranteed the richest fat cats on Wall Street profits by the billions — from you!” ….”They get rich. Their CEOs get rich. Their shareholders get rich. The banks and hedge funds get rich. And you’re stuck with the bill.”

    And, the reason this still works is because the Fed is keeping interest rates artificially low and teh government has changed the parameters of economic statistics to show the economy is improving. If that was not the case, we would have hyper-inflation and a deep economic ‘depression.’

  • Bimbam

    He is a card-carrying lefty. They all are insane. They live by one rule, HATE, hatred of God, hatred of Christianity, hatred of anything good or moral by Bible standards.

    It’s all in the Bible. It’s called by many names. In the Bible it’s called evil. We know it today by other names today such as; liberalism, progressives, communism, socialism, despotism, free-thinking, etc.

    Anything the Bible is for these people are against. I’ve said it for a longtime people that want to lead don’t belong there. They actually should be the last in line, in the backseat, behind everyone, not in the front to lead.

    There is something wrong about someone that wants to lead others.

    • Flashy

      And there speaks a card carrying member of the American Taliban

    • Karolyn

      Free thinking is evil? Then why did “God” give us brains???

    • Karolyn

      Bimbam says “There is something wrong about someone that wants to lead others.” I am speechless! There are leaders and there are followers. That’s just the way it is. there have to be leaders otherwise there would really be chaos.

      • Jeff

        If it weren’t for idiots like Bimbam, how would you know you have a brain for thinking? Thank you, Bimbam.

    • Bimbam

      I see a lot of Adam & Eve’s here. We are smarter than God, how DARE YOU???

      Free thinking is a lot different than free will.

      I see the result of government schooling in all your replies. Pity, I thought at least you could think.

      • Jeff

        Is your concept of God actually threatened by human thought? I guess He has nothing to worry about with you.

      • Bimbam

        I did not know the Bible was a concept. Please enlighten me with YOUR thoughts so you can be offended.

      • Karolyn

        No, Bimbam. How dare YOU to presume to know the mind of “God.”

      • Karolyn

        The Bible gives God human qualities, which God certainly does not possess, being an eternal spirit. (actually, being the Universal spirit of everything) The God of your understanding is a manmade entity. Man has made God in man’s image, not vice versa. It was done by other men so that man could have a primitive understanding without having to think too hard and so that humans could be controlled.

        • Jeff

          There’s smoke coming out of Bimbam’s ears. He can’t conceive of anything he didn’t learn in Sunday School. As Voltaire said, If God created Man in His image, Man has returned the favor.

      • Bimbam

        Oh look! They are all offended with THEIR thoughts! LOL!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.catalina.3 Mike Catalina

    Quick question….if all this is wrong, what should have been done?

  • Jeff

    Alondra:

    No matter how you speel it, crazy is krazy! You keep calling Obama a fraud and told me I was lying for saying Obama got elected. I guess I’m lying when I say it’s Thursday and the Sun will set in the West, too. If you have proof of fraud, file a lawsuit. Judges need a good laugh every now and then, too. Why should bloggers have all the fun of reading your insane posts?

  • Karolyn

    Wow! In my 3 years of posting here, I’ve never seen a discussion with so many reponses removed. It would seem some people need to tone it down a little. We are all Americans, and just because our opinions differ is no need for such bashing and vitriol (especially seen in “certain people” who allow no quarter for opposing opinions). Why do you not accept that there are at least 2 sides to every story and allow a little light into the dark closet of your brain? Are some people so afraid that they cannot even entertain that things might not be as they believe? It just boggles my mind.

    • Dave

      They would not be “Conservatives” if they tolerated different points a view and people who are different from themselves. That is why I am proud to call myself a liberal.

  • matforce

    Don’t know why I keep coming back here, maybe it has something to do with RBT, et. al. taking on the weight of the world (“A prophet is not without honor save in his own country…” Book of Mark)

    Our weak-kneed legislators, afraid to set national policy that puts a growing plutocracy in their place, should be crafting Bills that make the USA’s vast wealth work for the USA. Our trade policies and tax code works to increase the take for multinationals and redistribute our wealth abroad, but do little to spur growth in the USA. For starters:

    We’ve had 30 years of the lowest marginal tax rates since before the Great Depression (see: history of marginal tax rates)

    There are a myriad of loopholes written into the tax code that allow the wealthy to hide their money from taxation (see: top ten ways the wealthy escape taxation)

    Corporate tax loopholes account for an estimated $340 BILLION in corporate welfare each year that go to subsidize the most profitable corporations this world has ever seen. (GE makes $4 BILLION pays zero tax, Facebook qualifies for a $425 MILLION tax refund, Exxon/Mobil, etc. etc.)

    Corporations who garner the lion’s share of their profits from the USA consumer market, park their vast profits in offshore bank accounts to escape taxation by their nation of origin with impunity (paying taxes to America the Beautiful is for chumps!). USA corporations (many of whom have offshored jobs) are sitting on $5 TRILLION in profits. (If just $1 BILLION draws a 5% return, sitting in a bank on on the market, that’s $50,000,000- $50 MILLION, get it?)

    Offshoring jobs: 50,000 manufacturing facilities closed up, 9 million jobs offshored (USA Midwest “Industrial Belt” becomes “Rust Belt in just 18 years) China- $1.36/hr. avg. wage exerting downward pressure on wages here to compete. (see history of FTAs)

    Small Businesses (now THERE’S the REAL “job creators;” how disingenuous that phrase has become) who employ USA workers, are cutting costs to the bone, and are, by necessity, exerting downward pressure on wages to compete in the “global economy” that benefits our “multinationals” tremendously. See: S3816; speaks volumes!

    Our elected legislators who’ve been bought and paid for by BIG $$$ that has divided America the Beautiful into bits and pieces to turn a larger profit share, have not gone nearly far enough with their weak-kneed proposals: Here’s a stab at a directional change that would help bring about solvency for our beloved nation:

    1. Return marginal tax rates to those used during the Eisenhower and Kennedy era; the BOOM YEARS! Write within the tax code, a provision for escaping this rate; that being- INVESTING this fabulous wealth in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! (USA corporations, USA Research and Development, USA Aeronautics, USA medical research, USA Entrepreneurialism, USA Bonds, USA Education Funds, USA Universities, NASA, USA construction companies to modernize the infastructure, philantropy, etc., etc.) This would channel the USA wealth into the USA and then back into the wealthy. If the wealthy wish to invest in the China derivatives, et. al., then they would be taxed on their income and returns at the marginal rate.

    2. Reduce corporate tax rates on USA corporations and businesses that stay home and hire USA workers, to anywhere from 0% to 15%, depending on the wage scale and benefits they pay their employees.

    3. Eliminate tax loopholes, subsidies, credits, write-offs, for offshoring corporations to ZERO, ZILCH, ZIPPO, NADDA!

    4. Tariff imports according to the exporting nation’s wage scale and human rights records. (Example: nations who use sweatshop labor conditions, and violate basic human rights would be tariffed at a higher rate, say, 60%, while nations that have a comparable wage scale to ours, and promote the human rights of their workforce would have access to our market, tariff-free.

    Directional change like this would take some real balls and would evoke the wrath of BIG $$$ and cover by shills like Root here. Are any of our elected officials up to it? Anyone?………………(crickets chirping)

  • Karolyn

    Now for some good news. The real estate market is booming! California doesn’t have enough homes to fill demand. Realtors are going door to door in some areas trying to find homes to sell. Locally, a realtor friend of mine is selling just about a house a week here in the economically depressed area I live in in SC.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/us-homes-sales-highest-years-18780637

  • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

    Dear Wayne Allyn Root…….you are the HOPE and SECRET WEAPON of
    “sane and intelligent people” everywhere.

    As a failed “prognosticator” and running the confidence game business of
    pretending to be a “sports betting advisory service”…….any opinion you
    might have on anything……….is the best reason for anyone even moderately
    intelligent……..to question themselves, if they find themselves in agreement
    with you.

    To illustrate how this works…….

    Wayne Allyn Root declares “THE SKY IS BLUE”.

    causing “intelligent people” to question, is this TRUE?

    Methodical consideration of the evidence reveals that, once again,
    ole Wayne has improved their understanding, and that the sky is
    not even mostly blue during the daytime, and sometimes there is
    no blue at all.

    There is probably no hope for the “w.i,.f.i. mushrooms” here…..but
    fortunately they do not represent a significant proportion of the population
    and they are clearly not unified by anything, except hatred which originates
    from their own particular strain of “ignorance”……..

    Thank you Wayne…….we must really try to give you far more exposure,
    especially the true nature of your accomplishments……

    Your Great and Good Friend GALT

  • Nick Czudy

    Hi Wayne Allan Root. As usual, you rant with total bull Sh*t and your demented opinion.
    We all know that you do not know basic math. During the election, you could not read the polls or even take an average of the polls. This math is totally over your head. haha.
    I wonder how many here will buy into your crap. You keep me smiling. regards. Nick Cz

  • Dave

    I see the Freedom Czar has been busy today moderating liberals and others he doesn’t agree with while allowing right wingers, conservatives and other ‘allies” to post personal attacks, vile ad hominems at will.

    I thought Bob L believed in freedom? I guess, he believes in it if you agree with him.

    Thankfully Bob L is not President otherwise we would have someone akin to the N. Korean dictator in charge.

  • Dave

    Ever notice Mr Root and the rest of the right wing clown posse says Obama put 6T of new debt on the books himself yet they can’t even give and accounting of the programs Obama put on to add up to that 6T?

    I noticed that too…

    But you can’t keep a conservative away from some good ole fashioned BS talking points.

    Thankfully Mr Root never had an real power, He gives Michelle Bachmann a run for the money when it comes to being wrong and BS.

    • Tommy cunningham

      10.3 trillion when took office 16.4 trillion now, do the math it equals 6.1 added. Ever notice how idiots can’t do math, just one program “health care” added 2.2 trillion, not to mention all that money we keep printing for quantative easing adds up just for starters.

      • Tommy cunningham

        Off course you will more than likely tell me that the laws of mathematics is applied differently in this situation . That some how 2 2 does infact equal something other than 4. …. And somehow Bush is responsable for all the wrongs for the first four years under Obama , that Bush sneaked into the whitehouse and secretly bombed lybia without congressional approval ! Just to get my point across I didn’t care for a lot of the things bush did either, I’m a libitarian and think all our problems stem from the goverment not obeying the constitution and running amuck without a leash.

      • Dave

        Tommy,

        Instead of calling people names, maybe you should look up when the law takes effect… It hasn’t… Maybe you should also understand that 2.2 Trillion is over 10 years once it does kick in. Maybe you should also compare against what the cost of HC would be without the law to get its true cost.

        So, I say again… Conservatives can’t even account for the 6T that Obama himself put on the books because it blows a huge hole in one of their favorite talking points.

      • Jeff

        But what of that 6T is due to any policies put in place by Obama? Perhaps one sixth of it from the stimulus which kept us from going into Depression. In fact, you can be certain that if either McCain or Romney were President, the Repugs in Congress would do a 180 on the issue of aid to states and local governments. Such spending always increases in recessionary times, particularly under Republican Presidents. Paul Ryan knew it in 2002 but somehow forgot as soon as Obama got elected. Stimulus spending, like deficits, is only “bad” when a Democrat is president. The 6T you want to blame on Obama results from the continued Bush tax cuts, the continued Bush wars, and the virtual Depression Obama inherited.

        http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama-romney-deficit-debt-chart.php

      • Dave

        Jeff,

        All that “logical” stuff doesn’t matter… The authors here sold many of the “willing” a false bill of goods and no matter many times you use facts and knowledge on many of the people here including many of the authors, they will simply ignore it.

        There are two Barrack Obama’s… The real one and then there is the one people like Root, Bob L etc and their followers make up.

      • Savage

        Tommy,

        Don’t waste your time responding to Dave. Dave and others like him just don’t get it (and they never will). This article is as simple to understand as a first grade reader; yet, he and a few others are unable to fully understand the “unintended” consequences that are being created by the idiots in Washington — that’s one of the reasons our country is in huge, huge trouble.

        They (Dave and others) believe solving a debt problem with more debt (as long as the use of more debt creates something of value — like jobs) is a good thing rather than a bad thing. They can’t get it in their (tiny) minds that using debt rather than capital for current consumption means you are taking (borrowing) future money (that should be used for future consumption) and using it for current consumption. When that future period becomes the current period and the debt now has to be repaid, you use your money to repay the debt (plus interest) rather than use the money to pay for current needs and now you don’t have the money for your current needs — so, you again borrow money!! You’re now trapped in a glutinous loop — Just like the article said — insanity !!!

        Dave and people like him fail to comprehend the significance and future consequences of what Obama and others are doing and is further evidence of the “dumbing down” of people in America.

      • Dave

        Savage,

        You have no clue… You have no clue about what I believe… what happens to spending and tax recipts during a recession, cause and effect, history or what Obama has and hasn’t done.

        In other words… you are a conservative.

        • Savage

          Dave,

          Why do you insist on labeling people? I ask because people (like you) who place other people (like you did with me) into a box and label them (you called me a conservative) suffer from “Evolutionary Psycho-Sociological” problems.

          On another note — you state that I don’t know anything about you; yet, with the same stroke of the keyboard, you call me a conservative. You don’t know me either; therefore, you cannot have it both ways unless you’re a hypocrite with an over-dose of arrogance,

          So, what are you?

  • Mark Young

    Really Wayne? Let’s say I earn $50,000 a year and have a $250,000 mortgage outstanding (your example). So I’m in desperate trouble because I didn’t pay cash for my house, or can’t pay for it out of this year’s income? You know what I really do if I think I want to pay off the mortgage faster? I get a second job – - – it’s called more revenue. What I don’t get about you off-the-wall whiners and wailers is why you never said much about running two wars on the Chinese credit card until a Democrat was elected to the White House, And you never said a thing about reducing national debt when the nation actually had a surplus at the end of Clinton’s second term. I know it embarrasses you to have someone bring up recent history, but those of us with a working memory are still around to remind you that our previous President led us into war without ever asking the nation as a whole to sacrifice for the cause.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carl.garver Carl Garver

      That is the problem with all you liberals, what, do they have a school for dummies where you learn the same phrases and how to point the finger at someone else? Just in passing moron, unlike obsama Bush got permission, meanwhile back to real time while your busy trashing Bush, your daddy, is destroying America intentionally, You better wake up before its too late! you still think this is a Dem/Repub issue, we are way past there! Grow up!!

      • robbiefine@hotmail.com

        Carl: I hate to break your bubble but up here in Canada your President was the favourite of about 75% of us during the last election. He is also wildly popular in Europe and elsewhere. You need to get out more and get off of the FOX “news” network.

        • Savage

          Carl, have you been drinking the cool-aid again?

          Was there a poll of the entire Canadian population to support this “75%” you claim? OF course not! The 75% comes from a statistical poll. I used to work with numbers for a living and you can use the numbers to support anything. I simply don’t believe 75% is a valid number without “polling” every person (not just a few and then design strategical numbers). Even if the 75%t is accurate, it doesn’t matter — what’s important is what the American people think, not foreigners. In fact, more people outside of the USA seem to just “love” Obama — that bothers me and should bother every American.

          As to your comment as to how much Europe “loves” Obama – once again, you’ve been duped. For example, when Obama was in Germany, he crashed a live concert, went on the stage and give a little speech while his campaign flunkies video-taped it and placed it on YouTube stating that the Germans loved Obama when in reality they were there for the concert and where cheering the band, not Obama. What a fake!

          • Nick Czudy

            Savage,

            Robbie Fine is right on the money. The Canadians love Obama. I think the 75% that Robbie quoted is actually low. The same goes for the Europeans. That is a pile of Right Wing crap about the German Rock Concert. During the First Election, they Germans, actually gathered to watch the results in a public park and there were thousands of people there to watch and root for Obama. This happened all over Europe.
            What is difficult for those of you under the Right Wing Bubble, is that foreigners can see better what is going on in America. You are conditioned to listen to the bull Sh*t that is feed to you from the Right Wing pundits and media. This site is one of those.
            Obama was such a better choice than anything that the GOP came up with. He was the hope for the whole world, as they were tired of the oppressive GOP war mongering all over the world.
            You sometime cannot see the forest for the trees. You see things with your Right wing blinders on and therefore cannot make rational decisions. Sorry, but that is the truth.

            Look at how Michelle Bachmman embarrassed the GOP this week. The lies that she spouted were right out of her mouth and had no semblance to reality. This is how the outside world sees the GOP. You really have do to something about the couks that you offer for elections. Don’t you understand that every crazy politician that you support makes your party a joke. regards. Nick Cz

          • Savage

            Nick Czudy,

            You say foreigners can see better what’s going on in America than Americans can??? Good lord, do you actually believe what you said? Do you realize how stupid your comment is?

            You say, I’m “conditioned”. You call me a “Right Winger”. And, you base these labels on nothing more than my few comments to Carl??? People like you scare the hell out of me because you think you know what I need better than what I believe I need — scary, indeed.

            In summary, your three paragraph comment section addressed to me has so many flaws in it, I would have to spend hours on my rebuttals; however, my time is too valuable to spend the required time to address your many flawed comments.

            Good bye,
            Savage

          • Nick Czudy

            Savage.
            You said, “You say foreigners can see better what’s going on in America than Americans can??? Good lord, do you actually believe what you said? Do you realize how stupid your comment is?”

            Yes actually it is not a stupid comment. with the internet and satellite TV anyone that is not blinded by being on one of the parties can get a very clear picture of what is really going on and what is truth and what is party rhetoric. It is very easy to see.
            From a number of satellite news channels that are quite balanced like CBC and BBC, I watched as they interviewed people and they showed videos all over the world as people were responding to Obama’s win. I am not sure what planet you are on, but my guess is that since you have been spouting the usual Right Wing propaganda, I put you as being under the Right Wing Bubble. If I am wrong. I sincerely apologize. But prove me wrong by the info that you say. Best regards. Nick Cz

          • Savage

            Well, I guess we should not be allowed to vote in our country since we are so stupid and misinformed; rather, the Europeans should vote for us. OK, let’s reverse that logic. They vote for us and we vote for them. Right?

            I’m sorry but you make no sense!

          • Nick Czudy

            Savage, There is nothing in the Constitution that says you can’t vote if your are stupid. So vote away.

          • Savage

            Look, Nick — I’m not looking for a fight with you. I am not a left or right wing nor conservative or liberal. I am not a democrat or a republican. I do my own thinking based mostly on numbers. Numbers don’t lie, people do by misusing numbers. I have connected the dots and see very clearly what is happening not only in the USA but in all the developed nations. And, I know what the end result will be and it frustrates me how many people just don’t see what is happening.

          • Nick Czudy

            savage. My apologies for stereotyping you.
            I consider myself well educated and tapped in to world politics.
            What is it that you think is happening here and around the world. I am willing to discuss that.
            Your email on the election fraud with Obama getting 98% of the votes in Pennsylvania, does not sound accurate. where did you get those numbers. On election night I know that Obama won big time in the large cities like Cleveland and Columbus. Romney took all of the Rural districts. the large populations in the large cities took the majority.
            The having the ID card was done just prior to the election, to make it hard for elderly, ethnic and students to be able to get the cards. it is quite clear that is was an over all GOP tactic to reduce the Democrat votes. Documents discussing those tactics were found and disseminated. Many of these areas were in all Republican run states. Even still many of these states went with Obama. That is strange as the whole voting process was controlled by the GOP state Governors and Sex of States.
            I am also independent and what I saw that the GOP and Mitt Romney was doing during the election, turned me off to the whole Republican Party. I rate them as being 80:20 with the GOP being 80% dirty politics with the Dems’ being 20% nasty.
            Just the way that I see it.
            I will be willing to discuss your theory of what is happening in a rational and fair way. Best regards. Nick Cz

          • Savage

            Nick Czudy,

            Don’t worry about the stereotyping — from time to time, I’ve also fallen into that trap!

            You say you’re well versed in world politics and I can tell by your past comments you’re educated and probably have a lot more in-depth knowledge in world politics than I have. However, keep in mind that world politics is only one of many tools that’s being used for a well designed “end game”.

            Over the past 12 years, I’ve researched and analyzed world economies; financing and banking structures, monetary policies; socio-political formations (political sociology); and global economic systems. I also conducted parallel studies between current and historical events. In addition (and most importantly), I studied various parts of the Bible in great depth. Two years ago I connected the many, many dots and discovered a road map of what’s happening and most important, “why”.

            Unfortunately, I can’t go into the “why” (at least not now) because if I did and without having the time to disclose my research, the “why” wouldn’t be believed and would become a subject for various people on this site to attack and/or ridicule. For now, I leave the “why” for others to figure out for themselves.

            Nick, I believe we will have an opportunity to discuss the “what’s going on” and the “why” in the near future. It’s 4:22 am and I’m finally getting sleepy; so, I’m going to bed. Take care.

          • robbiefine@hotmail.com

            Savage: You remind me of the GOP diehards who did not believe all of the many polls that were pointing to an Obama sweep in the last election. They kept clinging to the FOX reports of a Mitt win. Then when the results came in they were in shock like Carl Rove and Dick Morris. Of course anyone can twist numbers but fact is most of the polls last time were exactly on the money.

          • Savage

            You have a short-term memory about the polls.

          • robbiefine@hotmail.com

            Not really. I followed 6 polls twice ann three times daily for many months and they all pointed very clearly to an Obama win especially in the swing states. I also watched FOX “news” daily and was amazed at how convinced THEY were that Mitt was going to win by a landslide. It was also quite insightful to see all the back peddling on Fox once the results came in.

          • Jeff

            Wow, either you have far more patience than I do or you have a masochistic streak. I can’t watch Fox or listen to Leader Fatbaugh without wretching.

          • Savage

            robbiefine

            What about this?

            Prior to the election, Democrats fought for open voting requiring no identification – particularly photo ID. Coincidentally, Obama won every state that didn’t fully require photo ID to vote. Democrats contended that voter ID laws suppress the vote. But they do not. They only suppress the illegal vote.

            Across Philadelphia, GOP poll inspectors were forcibly (and illegally) removed from polling locations. Coincidentally (or not), Obama received “astronomical” numbers in those very same regions, including locations where he received “over 99 percent” of the vote. Ward 4, which also had a poll watcher dressed in Obama attire, went massively for Obama.
            Obama received 99.5 percent of the vote, defeating Romney 9,955 to 55.

            Obama also won 99.8 percent of the vote in 44 Cleveland districts. In another Ohio county, Obama won with 108 percent of the voters registered.

            Obama received 10 million fewer votes than he did in 2008. Romney received 3 million fewer votes than McCain. Obama won in the four critical swing states by a grand total of 500,000 votes.

            Some 5 million independents changed their votes from Obama to Romney in 2012. So Romney started the day 2.5 million votes ahead of where McCain was in 2008, as Jack Wheeler points out. This means that 5.5 million Republican voters are not accounted for. Either they didn’t show up at the polls or their votes were not counted. Does anyone believe there was less enthusiasm by Republicans about this election than for the one in 2008?

            Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/did-obama-really-win/#fwZ2jJZfG7zPoaoK.99

          • robbiefine@hotmail.com

            To answer your question “Yes” of course there was less enthusiasm within Republican ranks. Supposed many on the far right of the party could not bring themselves to vote for Mitt because they didn’t think he was conservative enough or because they refused to vote for a Mormon and more moderate Republicans could not vote for mitt because they simply could not stomach him as a candidate even thought he was the best of a bad lot. In any case those who lose an election can always go through all manner of mental gymnastics trying to explain away the fact that the majority simply didn’t think much of their policies.

    • Jeff

      Deficits don’t matter – until a Democrat gets elected President.

  • Chris

    I see so much anti-Obama stuff on the issues discussed on personalliberty with those who voted for Obama being attacked because they voted for him “again”. I don’t think they voted “for” Obama……….I think they voted “against” Romney because I know so many people who were anti-Romney. However, bottom line is many who voted for Obama didn’t like his performance in his first 4 years either…….so should have given Romney a “chance”…..who knows? Romney may have actually done some good……..one can always have a change of heart or “see the light” “IF” enough people complain about whatever issue(s). But, we’ll never know, will we?

    • R. Fine

      Get over it already. The people chose Obama over Mitt. On the GOP side Mitt was the least clown like of the bunch but he was still pretty pathetic. And it looks like the next batch will be clowns as well. President Hilary is on the horizon!

      • http://www.facebook.com/carl.garver Carl Garver

        Oh My God! and we wonder how a tyrant who is going to destroy America got into office!!

        • robbiefine@hotmail.com

          Carl: Keep calm. It’s all going to be good. The sky is NOT falling. Life will move along steadily as it always has. Change, of course, will always happen – it’s the only thing you can really depend on. The trick is being able to adapt to change. If you can not do so you will probably be unhappy for the rest of your life. Best of luck to you.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    You are right, Wayne, President Obama is indeed stark raving mad. Unfortunately, so are most his advisors and most members of Congress.

    Personal Liberty Digest, Congressman Ron Paul and his son, Senator Ryan Paul, and the Tea Party movement are a few of the remaining voices of sanity, warning us to return to constitutional government, as laid out in the 1776 Declaration of Independence:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident . . . all men are created equal . . . endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” to self-governance and not to be ruled by the tyrannical, one-world government established by frightened world leaders on 24 Oct 1945:

    http://orach24463.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/fear-and-loathing-of-humans-the-pathology-behind-the-climate-change-movement/

    I thank you, Wayne, for speaking the truth..

    With kind regards,
    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://www.omatumr.com

  • http://hotmail Ike

    Sorry, Wayne, I love your valiant diagnosis every week, but NOTHING that obama has done makes sense if the good of the country is understood to be at stake.
    EVERYTHING that obama has done makes sense if the simple objective is to destroy America…..

    • Jeff

      Ike:

      I am quite certain that in your rich fantasy life you are able to explain WTF you are talking about and actually convince someone you are correct. From what I have seen it is the Congressional Republicans who aim to bring down the economy just so they can tarnish Obama’s legacy. There is no other explanation for the Republicans’ shifting attitudes toward stimulus spending and toward federal aid to states and local governments in time of recession. It’s great when a Republican is president because it lifts the economy. It is bad when a Democrat is president for the same reason. Despite exactly no help from the Repugs, Obama has managed to right the sinking ship he inherited. BTW: your namesake would agree. He thought people who wanted to do away with the New Deal (Back then, they were called Birchers; today they’re just called Republicans.) were “stupid.”

      • http://hotmail Ike

        Jeff, I read comments like yours and realize that this forum quickly degenerates into ass-biting intolerance of “contrasting” ideas, and that’s a shame, actually, on both sides.
        I want to believe that you are intelligent and capable. This is frequently true of the other side. There are a lot of good people on here, and trust me, for most of them, taking the step of commenting, knowing that you will likely get your head handed to you, quite often discourages one from expression.
        I say all that, to say this. This is very likely the final opportunity for freedom of expression.
        I can visualize a day when the obamas and the roves will seize any opportunity to eliminate
        and control expression. Honestly, I can’t stand either of them.
        Jeff, you and I will very likely never have an adult beverage and enthusiastically defend and propose what we feel are the right and wrong directions. Barring animosity that transcends civility, spirited conversation is exactly what I value most. This, I believe in my heart, was
        how the Continental Congress and the Founding Father revolutionaries hammered out the specifics that created our great nation and legacy.
        You and I and many others know that we have deep DEEP problems.
        Being an ass-bite may give you or others a temporary sense of satisfaction that you snuffed out a viewpoint that annoyed you, but this only sets the stage for perpetuation of this.
        Let’s acknowledge what has been effed up, what all played a role in it, and be intolerant of it happening again.
        As I would ruefully tell my fellow conservatives about bush2, (or 1, for that matter) I consider him a well-intentioned incompetent. What should we cut him slack on? The incompetent part or the well-intentioned part? The end result was the same. Personally, he had NO right to be the flippin liberal that he truly was, and I will always resent him, but, Jeff, I’m equal opportunity. I resent all the well-intentioned liberal idiots who can’t count to 5 on their fingers, as well.
        Speaking of not being able to count, I was also damn glad that the massage therapist assaulter gore wasn’t in charge for 8 years, too.
        On balance, Obama is just too smart to truly believe that gutting America with a full assault on taxes, over-regulation and litigation, coupled with an unbelievable dose of corruption, as well as society-corrupting, can have any possible positive effect. I know how life works, and I want to believe that you do, as well.
        For example, irresponsibly blowing a bunch of money on credit cards has an ominously detrimental effect, and I can only imagine you may achieve the same effect of cheating on your wife with a hooker. You won’t truly be done with the hooker, when the nagging suspicion sets in that you are pooping in your own bed. Maybe handing ME the bill for your hooker adventure somehow makes you feel better, but is not something that I feel like I deserve the bill for, any more than the Frank-Dodd bill that we are ALL paying dearly for. You and I could both go on endlessly about pure-ass corruption, and we’d both be right.
        Other than the venting aspect of it, it solves nothing.
        This leads me to believe that I and others deserve respect for our conservative, God-fearing, Bible-clutching, 2nd-amendment believing Tea Party positions.
        Look at us tolerantly and w/o viewing us as some kind of cattle that you think that you have a right to tax to death and try to steal our families, and I think that you might acknowledge
        that we make good neighbors….and friends.
        For the life of me, I watched as the occupy wall streeters made disgusting examples of themselves and their beliefs, while I totally empathised with their beliefs on fractional banking.
        We both could go on. Screw it. I bet we could, if we set our minds to it, correct a lot of what’s wrong. I also know that I, and maybe you, couldn’t get elected in a million years.
        So I read what’s on here, speak in civility and analysis, and want to drop my views into the last opportunity for free expression.
        I hope I see you at the next Tea party get-together. I’ll buy you a beer. And I won’t take a swing at you.

        • Nick Czudy

          Ike.
          Very well Spoken. I take my hat off to your common sense and level headed response. We should be able to discuss and debate issues without taking off the other parties heads. There are different view points and we should be able to discuss them civilly.
          I ask all of the liberal members on this site to not get into name calling and ridiculing actions and opinions. Lets not shoot the messenger. At least not with assault weapons. :)
          Ike. is there any room for those of you, that believe in the second amendment to allow certain weapons to be banned. I believe that the assault type weapons ( I know the classification and description of what is an assault weapon is murky) should not be allowed on the streets of America, whether legal or not. Certainly as Dianne Feinstein said and I do not remember the exact number, isn’t 2,456 models of guns enough to satisfy the 2nd amendment rights?
          It seems the major dividing point is between the two factions is those that think that they need these weapons to protect against our government. The other side does not think that our government is the problem, it is more the illegal criminals that we need protection against.
          If the first group thinks that they can fight the government with their auto and semi-auto weapons, then I am sure that they will not be able to hold a candle to the strength of our military and police. After all these forces are made up of Americans. Are we not fighting ourselves? I for one would like to think that our civil rights have enough checks and balances to prevent that type of tyranny.
          But when there is a huge faction that has been calling everything that Obama and the current government has done as being one step away from crisis and total destruction, then these people will keep thinking that they need more weapons and better weapons.

          So the issue, I think, is what is causing this different way of apocalyptic thinking? To progressive thinking? Who is right?
          Does it have something to do with more secular thought?
          Anyway, I would like to have a even leveled discussion on this topic.
          Warm regards.
          Nick Cz

        • Jeff

          “As I would ruefully tell my fellow conservatives about bush2, (or 1, for that matter) I consider him a well-intentioned incompetent. What should we cut him slack on? The incompetent part or the well-intentioned part? The end result was the same. Personally, he had NO right to be the flippin liberal that he truly was, and I will always resent him, but, Jeff, I’m equal opportunity. I resent all the well-intentioned liberal idiots who can’t count to 5 on their fingers, as well.”

          Ike:

          The post to which I previously responded was typical of the right wing shorthand one finds too often on these blogs. No thought or reasoning, just an assumption Obama is evil and is intentionally taking the country down. When I read such posts, I respond with derision. Your latest post is far more thoughtful and I would never dismiss it as I did the other one. But I still disagree with virtually everything you say.

          Bush 2 was well-intentioned? I agree he had a more enlightened view concerning immigration than do virtually any other Republicans, but that hardly makes him a liberal. I know it is fashionable now for Conservatives to say they never liked him, but for the long, long 8 years of his regime of terror, you Conservatives rarely said a word critical of him. Sure, you guys opposed him on immigration reform and there was a little bit of grumbling about the prescription drug benefit until you realized it was primarily for the benefit of Big Pharma and not Medicare recipients. But on the big issues, he was the Conservatives’ wet dream. Tax cuts, deregulation, sought to privatize social security, pre-emptive wars, torture, rendition – you guys loved every minute of it.

          Bush had balls, that’s for sure. He came into office under the most suspicious of circumstances, losing the popular vote and being narrowly awarded the Presidency by his brother and a Republican Supreme Court partially appointed by Daddy, but he acted like he won 65% of the vote. His tax cut idea never polled well, but it’s always been the primary goal of Conservatives. I don’t recall anyone on the right side of the aisle questioning any of W’s policies (other than as mentioned above) on deficit grounds or insisting than anything be paid for. That famous deficit hawk Paul Ryan with his “Christian” budget supported every budget-busting policy of W. It is painfully obvious to anyone paying attention that Cheney spoke the Republican Truth when he said “deficits don’t matter.” Of course, he left out the second phrase of that Republican axiom, “. . . unless a Democrat is in the White House.”

          All you need to do is look at the performance of the economy under Democrats vs. Republicans to see that the mantra about tax cuts and deregulation is nonsense. Clinton raised taxes and the economy took off; W lowered them and, well . . . The stock market always does better under the Democrats. This idea that the Democrats are socialists intent on destroying the economy is as fallacious as the idea the Republicans are good about the deficit. This Republican Congress has shown it will destroy the economy if that’s what it takes to tarnish Obama’s legacy. But it won’t work. He will shine in history if only in contrast with his predecessor. It’s the same reason he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The world was so sick of W, Obama was awarded a prize he clearly hadn’t earned just by being someone else.

          • Nick Czudy

            Jeff. I basically concur with most of what you are saying..
            The mantra that was repeated daily by the Right Wing that lost my respect, was the constant name calling of devil, evil, destruction, extreme left, wanting the destruction of America and on and on, You know what I mean. Obama has been behaving slightly left of center yet he is constantly being painted as an extremist. The far left would have loved him to be more extreme left, But that is not what he has been doing.
            When he undertakes and accepts some of the policies of the right, they immediately turn coat and now disagree with him. We have had 4 years of them disagreeing with anything that he or the left propose. This obstruction has been destroying America and the GOP was that Obama would be blamed for it and then he would lose in the second term. This did not happen, as everyone saw what was happening and they became sick of the partisan politics to vote against everything that Obama has proposed.
            Nowadays, either party cannot say something as being black, and then insist that they said it was white. The media will not let you get away with it.

            It is time for the GOP to recognize that they are being watched closely and if they destroy our economy, they will not win the next elections. The best way for them to recoup the respect they want, is to compromise and make good decisions that will boost our economy. If they do this they will get the credit for it. The time to oppose Obama at all cost, the country be dammed if we destroy it, is over. It is time to govern for the betterment of the country.
            the GOP has to lose the fear of offending the far right. It is time to make good decisions and we all will see that, and give you the respect that your deeds deserve.
            best regards
            Nick Cz

    • Ken

      Ike, you’re right, that is the only thing that makes any sense. BHO is not insane, but is crazy as a fox. We all need to remember that he spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright and he and his wife continually associated with subversive characters while he was a community organizer. During that time he developed a deep dislike for our country and I think his primary objective was to destroy it. Did his objective change when he became President or did it become a hidden agenda? His actions indicate the latter. Certainly increasing our debt by a staggering 50% his first year in office was a major step in that direction, and maybe that was all that was necessary to kill it. Yet he can’t stop meddling. He’s a good con artist and has most of the people fooled.
      Ken

  • Sheryl D

    I would have taken a role in this 10 years earlier but who is going to just say no more and start rallying people to stand up and make this right. We need a real leader who the people will listen to instead of just talking that can get people motivated to move. If we don’t, we are going to lose this country.

  • Rabble-rouser

    Betcha Wayne Allyn Root’s children will reap rewards from his million dollar estate. After all, that is why he wants no taxes raised, so he benefits from the windfall profits he’ll make. But he’ll take our Medicare and Social Security benefits form us and give it to his millionaire friends.

  • Rabble-rouser

    Wayne Allyn Root, what a pasty white face you have. You give new meaning to albino. Forgive me lumping him with the good albinos.

  • http://www.obamasucks.tv John Brown

    2010

    “► Obama’s Hidden Message in the State of The Union Speech”

    The hidden message in Obama’s speech the 1st paragraph reads :

    For the world

    periods of tranquility

    midst of depression

    moments of great strife

    Obama is posesseed by the Prince of Darkness himself, Obama is not crazy. He is the Curse that the USA deserves for ignoring God and he is delivering the world and the USA into Satan’s one world government, as promised in the Bible.

    The sooner the USA deals with that the sooner we can at least save some states as a “union” because we can not prevent God’s judgment from the Curse Of the Zeroes.

    • Nick Czudy

      John Brown. You are one sick puppy. Is this what studying the bible day in and day out does to a person? You really need a dose of reality or get some help. This is what scares me when people get too involved in such religious dogma. Where is the love, the humanity, helping your fellow man,kindness, truth, turning the other cheek, acceptance?
      This type of talk is no different than listening to extremist jihadists.
      I cannot believe that there are people like this, in our modern society.
      Each to his own. But keep it to yourself and away from me. regards Nick Cz

      • http://www.facebook.com/joanne.mortensen.75 Joanne Mortensen

        I sure hope you Change your mind before you exit this world for the next option , which is only two choices .. be with GOD or without GOD .. I can’t imagine” without” being much fun ..

        • robbiefine@hotmail.com

          Seeing as god is simply a made up bit of mythology we can only note that when we die it is exactly the way it was before the moment of our conception. We are simply another species of living things on this planet and when our time comes we go back to dust just as leaves do in the fall. Oh, and here’s another bit of news: there is no Tooth Fairy and Santa is also just a story for the immature.

          • Frank Kahn

            OKAY, ROBBIE, prove, with science, that God does not exist. Maybe, you would like to use the Zeitgeist theories of the origins of religion?

            There is a way to show how the starts in the sky, through the seasons, is the basis for the stories about God, Jesus and the birth, death and resurrection of him. Is that the source of your skepticism?

          • robbiefine@hotmail.com

            It is not my responsibility to prove or disprove the existence of god. How can I prove something that does not exist. It is, rather, up to YOU that there is a god.

          • Jeff

            Frank,

            Whether there’s a God or not, you have to admit our major religions’ views of Him are awfully human. I find it hard to believe that any God capable of arranging the Universe could possibly be so petty as to care if someone is a Methodist, Presbyterian, Muslim, or Atheist.

          • Frank Kahn

            You left out Jews and Catholics. As I understand the word of God, he does not care what religious sect you are a member of, as long as you follow his law. Now, the rewards offered are contingent on you following his law, so some will not reap the rewards of his love. If there is such a thing as a true atheist, they will not have eternal life. This does not mean that he hates them, he is like any father, he loves his children no matter what they do are who they are. As a father, you would not give your child the keys to your car if they insist on drinking and driving. So, he would not give you the keys to heaven if you insist on sinning. Yes, those are human descriptions, that is because we are human and that is the only way to conceptualize the ideas.

            It is not our place to judge others, but we do have the duty to point out the word of God if we see others violating them. It is possible that they do not know what they do.

            This should be done with love not hatred.

            And, yes, I disagree with things in all the modern religious sectors. They all do things that disagree with Gods words. Some are worse than others, and any church that tells you that only members of that faith will go to heaven are dead wrong.

          • Jeff

            Do you really think the God who created the Universe, authored the Big Bang, and ushered in a billion years of evolution is actually the jealous, vindictive God portrayed in the Bible? Do you really think the Bible was written by God and not by men 2,500 years ago? As Voltaire said, if God created Man in His image, we’ve certainly returned the favor.

          • Frank Kahn

            I do not presume to know the mind of God.

          • Jeff

            You ought to talk to Samurai as God speaks through him. Of course, he says some pretty wacky things, so I’m not sure it’s really God speaking.

          • Frank Kahn

            Actually, dont think God speaks through anyone much these days. But, from the people who post here, I think it might be Charlie Freedom that makes the boldest claims on a personal connection to knowing the mind of God.

          • robbiefine@hotmail.com

            And God was created in the image of man.

        • Nick Czudy

          Hi Joanne.,
          I guess that you believe that there is an afterlife. I hope for your sake, it is true. For me, I started life as a Roman Catholic and I was even an altar boy.
          I have grown up to the age of 61 now. Many years ago, I realized that religion was a method that was used to control the masses. I also realized with the many beliefs that exist in this world, that they are all false and were important in their time.
          Once you get an education and experienced life, it became clear to me that this was all false and that God did not exist.
          So when I die, I know that my body will go back to the dust that it is made of.
          It will be recycled into the earth. You will know or you will not know , when you die. If you go to heaven, then your views will have paid dividends. But if I am right, you will never know that you wasted your whole life following the dogma that is in most religions and you will also just return to the earth. Your brain will stop thinking and maybe at that last moment, you will know that it was all a sham.
          The difference this makes in our life is tremendous.
          For one, I know that this is my time on earth and I need to make the most of it. That is in things that I accomplish as well as how I live my life.
          I know that I am responsible for my own safety and well being and a God will not be looking over me or will not save me.
          I also know that we are responsible for the health of our earth and only we, can nuture it or destroy it. There is no God that will save our poor stewardship of our precious resources and planet.
          Also we can be kind, good, moral, smart, and ethical people, without the fear of the lord, or eternal damnation in some fictitious place or hell.
          I have read the bible once and I understand its historical significance and importance. But I would think it a waste of precious time to turn over every word and phrase, looking for some hidden meaning and signpost for life. After all it was assembled 325 years after Jesus by the Pagan emperor Constantine. It was shaped by the meeting at Mycanea. So I do not understand how many religions people treat this as a holy book of instructions. It is a historical document, nothing more.
          So I guess that i will exit this world without God. That does not disturb me nor affect how I will treat my fellow man. I hope that you can understand this. Warmest regards Nick Cz

          • http://N/A CintiCB

            I’ve experienced the same type of thing that you have. I was raised Catholic, but, now consider organized religion to be a sham, which made me question EVERYTHING that I’d been taught. There are a few main things that have influenced my thinking; 1) This ‘bull’ about the priests being ‘married to God’ as the reason why they can’t marry. WRONG-in the fourteenth or fifteenth century, the church realized that if a priest was married and died, his property would go to his wife. They wanted this property, so, the priest is ‘married to God’ meaning that the church will ‘inherit’ his land. 2) My mom died in 1989 (they had a wonderful marriage-very much in love and true friends). Dad, eventually, remarried (another great lady). His new wife had, previously, divorced an abusive husband. The church said that dad could no longer receive the holy communion because he married a divorced woman. This was very upsetting to him as he’d been raised in a very strict catholic family (sister was even a nun, of whom they were VERY proud). Later, the church said that he could resume receiving communion if he gave them a certain amount of money (5. 10,15, or 20 thousand). I don’t remember the amount, but, it was pretty high. In effect, they said that God can be bought off. SUCH HYPOCRISY!!! 3) The whole thing about how God does not approve of gays (who ‘will all go to hell’) while they’re hiding sexual abuse against little boys AND letting it continue, until they were caught. All of this is the church, not ‘God’, I realize, but check out a program that airs on the History Channel called ‘Ancient Aliens’. It’s VERY interesting and eye opening. Many people are VERY passionate about this subject. Someone, once, asked me if I read the Bible. I said, “No. I prefer non-fiction.” Boy, if looks could kill!!! Although not religious, I do, indeed, follow ‘the golden rule’-treat others as I’d want to be treated. I don’t have to go to a building and sit with a bunch of hypocrites, on Sunday, to prove that I’m a good/decent person-I prove it every single day! Some of the biggest ‘low-lifes’, who I have ever encountered, run to church every single week to prove that they are good people!!! Seriously, check out ‘Ancient Aliens’. If you don’t receive the History Channel you can, probably, get it from their web site. As far as I’m concerned, people can believe what they want-they don’t have to agree with me, nor me with them.

          • Nick Czudy

            CintiCB. I am happy to meet someone that has gone through the same situation as I have with organized religion. All of the stories, parables and mystic dogma, just no longer made any sense to me.
            My own brain, told me that this does not make any sense and therefore, my logical self, could never believe these things unless I experienced them myself.
            Needless to say, after 61 years I have not seen one single bit of evidence to prove that there is a God.
            It is funny how different people see the same thing and come up to different conclusions.
            One example of this is a photo taken by the Hubble space telescope. Here it is. It is called DeepField North.

            https://www.google.ca/search?q=deep+field+north&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ldc&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2dlQUbiFBuazyQHwrYHADQ&ved=0CDgQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=845#imgrc=AET8Y-wKhgCXLM%3A%3B-bfmwJUHKxGgYM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ifa.hawaii.edu%252F~mliu%252FResearch%252Fhr7672%252Fpresscoverage%252FS%2526T%252520-%252520News%252520from%252520the%252520Editors%252520of%252520Sky%252520and%252520Telescope%252520Magazine_files%252F020109news04.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ifa.hawaii.edu%252F~mliu%252FResearch%252Fhr7672%252Fpresscoverage%252FS%2526T%252520-%252520News%252520from%252520the%252520Editors%252520of%252520Sky%252520and%252520Telescope%252520Magazine.htm%3B479%3B375

            Wow I did not know how big this link was. But anyway, this photo was the result of pointing the Hubble north out of the disc of out Milky Way universe into a dark section of the sky. It had an angle of view of a few degrees. The CCD camera was left there to take a 10 day time exposure. Gradually this photo appeared. It peers back about 8 billion years into the time that this part of the universe was created. I look at the vastness of our universe and say that no single supreme being could possibly create this universe. After all we are supposed to be made in the image of God. If he is so preoccupied with us humans, here on earth, for him to create a universe so vast in a blink of an eye, whose light has been traveling to reach us, for 8 billion years. Yet a religious person would look at this photo and say, that there is the proof of God. Who else or what else could make such a vast universe. The creator of such a large universe by a single being is absolutely ridiculous to me. It makes much more sense that it was formed by some laws of nature like the big bang theory. It is a joke that we have a few elected Congressmen, like Michelle Bachman and Paul Broun (The pit of hell congressman) that insist that out world is only about 8000 years old and early man rode on the backs of dinosaurs. Since from my education and knowledge of science, I know that this is totally wrong. So how can I believe anything that is said my these two congressmen? Would I want them making decisions that will affect my country and my life based on their totally wrong beliefs? Hell no. So if you try and feed me some dogma and expect me to believe it and to base my life on these lies, then I will not. No way. Will I respect the views of Michelle and Paul? No way. These tho people are crazy and need to be taken out of office. They have no place in the running of our country. It is one thing to have religious beliefs and it is another to spout things that are not true. How far does our tolerance of people religious beliefs have to go.
            I am sure that all of us will laugh at the Muslim beliefs of Jihady terrorist, who think that they will go to heaven with 70 virgins for a life in paradise. If they can believe that kind of pure garbage, then just how much dogma should we accept from out North American religious masses? Where do we draw the line of exposing pure speculation and untruths to accepting what these people say that we know to be false.
            Where do we draw the line?

          • http://N/A CintiCB

            Thanks for the Hubble link, I bookmarked it. Amazing photos!!! The depths of the ocean are very interesting, too. If you’ve not seen ‘Ancient Aliens’ on the history channel, definitely check it out. I think that you’ll find it very interesting and thought provoking.

          • Frank Kahn

            Actually, you dont have to go to the history channel to learn about the new findings about ancient aliens. There are some very comprehensive web sites that have this information.

    • robbiefine@hotmail.com

      Shouldn’t religious folk think that God can take care of himself?

      • http://www.facebook.com/joanne.mortensen.75 Joanne Mortensen

        Yep.. HE can Take care of HIMSELF .. but who is watching out for you .. It isn’t obama

        • Jeff

          No, it’s Pat Robertson. Just send him all your money and he’ll “guarantee” your standing in the next world.

    • Jeff

      So Hurricane Sandy was caused by Obama? You guys should really get your stories straight because I thought storms were caused by gay marriage. What caused the earthquake and tsunami in Japan? Not enough Bible thumpers in Japan? Nick is absolutely correct. You are really crazy. Take a walk. Read something other than the Bible or some right wing paranoid screed.

  • Jeanette

    Obama is not crazy. That is letting him off the hook. He knows exactly what he is doing; things are going pretty much as he planned. The destruction he is causing is not some error of a “crazy” person; it is the deliberate product of an “evil” person.

    • Jeff

      Yes, Jeanette, tell us about the intentional destruction. Compare where we are today vs Jan. 2009. Facts, not paranoid fantasies.

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