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Pro Football’s Bounty System

March 9, 2012 by  

Pro Football’s Bounty System

Remember in the classic movie “Casablanca” how Captain Louis Renault pretended to be amazed when he was informed that gambling took place at Rick’s Café Américain? With a wink and a smirk, Captain Renault said he was “shocked, shocked” at the revelation.

That’s how I felt when I first heard the news that professional football players were paid a bonus if they hurt an opposing player so badly that he had to be taken out of the game.

An NFL investigation revealed that as many as 27 New Orleans Saints players and former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams were part of a “bounty” system that awarded cash bonuses: $1,000 if a player had to be carried off the field and $1,500 if one was knocked unconscious. Payouts increased dramatically during the playoffs.

The New York Times reported that defensive captain Jonathan Vilma (No. 51) offered a $10,000 cash award for knocking Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre out of the National Football Conference championship in January 2010. Despite taking several hard hits during the contest, Favre finished the game. So, presumably, no one collected that particular payoff.

The NFL said the total amount of money in the pool might have reached $50,000 or more during the 2009 playoffs. If you’ll recall, that was when the Saints marched all the way to a Super Bowl victory.

Is anyone surprised by all of this? Really?

Professional football is the closest thing we have in this country to the gladiator battles of ancient Rome. Of course, we’re a lot more civilized than fans were 2,000 years ago. Our combatants aren’t allowed to battle to the death. But you can’t persuade me that the players and their fans are emotionally much different from the screaming throngs back then.

Rome’s rulers knew all about how to use “bread and circuses” to keep the masses happy. Is what we have in America today really all that much different? I don’t think so.

According to the NFL, neither coach Sean Payton nor general manager Mickey Loomis did anything to stop the bounties when they were made aware of them. In fact, The Times reported that Loomis did nothing even when ordered to by team owner Tom Benson.

It appears that the bounty system was administered by Williams, who subsequently was hired by the St. Louis Rams. When the accusations were made public, Williams said he had made a “terrible mistake.”

Peyton and Loomis issued a joint statement that read:

We acknowledge that the violations disclosed by the NFL during their investigation of our club happened under our watch. We take full responsibility.

This has brought undue hardship on Mr. Benson, who had nothing to do with this activity. He has been nothing but supportive and for that we both apologize to him.

These are serious violations and we understand the negative impact it has had on our game. Both of us have made it clear within our organization that this will never happen again, and make that same promise to the NFL and most importantly to all of our fans.

Peyton and Loomis didn’t exactly fall on their swords, did they? If that’s the most contrite apology these coaches and their highly paid PR flacks can devise, somebody should encourage them to look for a new line of work.

In 2008, Williams spent one season with the professional football team in the town I now call home. He was the defensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

OK, maybe I should have said “semi-professional” football team.

Anyway, the controversy over the bounty program at the football program in New Orleans generated a ton of discussion in Jacksonville. Guess what? Nobody here ever did any of that bad stuff — not even Williams, when he was the defensive coordinator here.

So far, only two players who played for Williams have agreed to speak on the record. But both of them — former linebacker Clint Ingram and former defensive end Reggie Hayward — say that while Williams encouraged a “very aggressive” defensive style of play, nobody was ever promised a reward for injuring an opposing player.

As it happens, I have a big problem with all that talk of rewards. Am I really supposed to believe that a professional football player who is making close to a million bucks a year (many of them get a lot more than that) would really be motivated to cream an opponent for a measly thousand bucks or so?

Let’s see. I’m making more than 50 grand for playing an hour of football. And for 1/50th of that amount, I’m going to jeopardize my career and my reputation? I don’t think so.

The Wall Street Journal agrees with me. The newspaper conducted an extensive “review of every regular- and postseason Saints game since 2009.” Guess what? The newspaper concluded: “Seldom did a Saints-inflicted injury force an opponent to leave the field.”

Right. The bounty program — if it even existed — was an almost total flop. “In 48 regular-season and six postseason games,” the newspaper reported, “such incidents occurred only 18 times.”

In other words, when more than two dozen big, burly professional football players were offered a bounty to put an opposing player out of commission and had a few dozen opportunities to do so per game, they were able to disable someone only once in every three games.

By the way, according to the WSJ review, the Saints player with the most lethal hits was safety Roman Harper. He had four game-ending tackles in 54 games, fewer than one of 10. For this he was allegedly paid $1,000 per hit — or $1,500 if the poor victim had to be carried off the field.

So all in all, havoc-wreaking Harper could have earned an extra $6,000 over those three years. But Harper’s salary at the time was $7 million a year. Do you really think that six grand would have meant anything to a guy making more than one thousand times that much money?

Despite all the anger and indignation in the media, I think this whole “bribe ’em to hurt someone” story is a bunch of baloney. There simply wasn’t enough money involved.

Do I believe that some of our professional gladiators would be willing, even eager, to “play dirty,” if that’s what it took to win? You bet. And it’s nothing new. My first football hero, Otto Graham, said that eye-gouging, foot-kicking and finger-twisting happened all the time when he was playing. And that was 50 years ago.

Has the game gotten cleaner and more sportsmanlike since then? There are millions of dollars at stake every day. I don’t think so.

But why blame the players for giving the public what it wants? It isn’t the gladiators fault; the fans are to blame. If we’re willing to howl for blood, the guys with on the field will give it to us.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood 

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • AJ

    As usual another enjoyable sport has again fallen to greed and corruption. I stoped watching this foolish nonsense when I had heard that the officials were paid to make false calls and that was evident when Green Bay went to and won the super bowl. I then turned off the tv to any of professional footbal as it is to me a waste of my time. And I encourage others to do the same. And that is just my opinion you can have yours.

    • FreedomFighter

      Panetta Publicly Admits U.S. Military/Obama Takes Orders from The U.N.


      OMG isnt congress impeaching this guy right now? If not we need …take action as a nation.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • don

        i’d almost believe anything any more. all the un is the future army of the nwo and elitists who will rule the earth. too bad this stupid country don’t pull out of it along with all money. it would fold. it doesn’t do enough to make any difference if it exists or not. obunhole and hillary are trying to turn our gun control laws over to them. the founding fathers of this country would have not let the usa into such an organization. you know all these people in dc are supposed to be the representives of the peopleincluding the president. they are now called leaders. that is not condidered a representitive. we need our country back but i think it might be too late. check out the video online the “obama deception”. it kinda tells who chooses our leaders and bunches of other things. it might convince a lot of people things arent right.

      • DaveH

        Should this surprise anybody?
        200 years ago Thomas Jefferson said — “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs”.
        Now we have both.

      • John

        I would not believe anything I see on Nut-Tube , too many nuts, its to easy forged.

      • FreedomFighter

        John it was on mainstream yesterday, no joke, no lie.

        Its happening, the takeover has begun, Traitors, and the Dictator told congress they are irrevalent.


        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • FreedomFighter

        Obama & U.N. Declare Congress Ceremonial

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • DavidL

        You are missing a few important points of context here:

        1. Read Article VI of our Constitution entitled The Supremacy Clause. In it you will read that ratified treaties are part of our the Supreme Law of the land. The Treaty I am referring to, of course, is the UN Charter. So the UN Charter, by the explicit language of our Constitution, is part of our fundamental Constitutional law.

        2. If you read the UN Charter, war is illegal as a matter of international law. The Charter, which the US and many other nations have ratified, prohibits the use of force and even the threat of the use of force.

        3. Under Article 51, there is an exception to the prohibition against war or the threat of war. That exception is not created by the UN Charter, but recognized as inherent to each nation. That exception only occurs in the case of self defense. If a nation is attacked, or in imminent danger of being attacked, it can use force to defend itself. This is exactly the same situation if your home or person is attacked. You have a right to defend your life and property even if that includes the use of deadly force.

        4. Absent an attack, or imminent danger of an attack, a nation cannot engage in the use of force, or threat of force, against any other nation without the express authority of the UN Security Council. As you know, the US is a voting member of the UN Security Council.

        5. The particular context of Secretary Panetta’s comment is Syria. In this situation, Is the US, or any other member state of the United Nations, being attacked or threatened with attack? No. Therefore, there is no role for Congress, or the President under the war powers to act.

        6. To say, as you and the conservative radio host do, that the Secretary of Defense is saying that the US Congress does not have the power to declare war because that power rests now with the UN is WRONG. Congress does have the power, and obligation, to declare war IF WE ARE ATTACKED OR ABOUT TO BE ATTACKED. IN ALL OTHER INSTANCES, A NATION ENGAGING IN THE USE OF FORCE, OR THREAT OF THE USE OF FORCE, IS EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED FROM DOING SO UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW.

        7. While I admire, respect, and share your passion for our country, it is vitally important that our passion also be informed.

      • FreedomFighter

        DaveH for once you have missed the boat. Member or not, the UN does not govern the USA nor do they trump Congress.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        You mean DavidL missed the boat?

      • FreedomFighter

        Sorry for the typo Dave

        Coup D’etat: Pentagon & Obama Declare Congress Ceremonial

        TREASON on VIDEO seeing is believing

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        Apparently DavidL is a cheerleader for the United Nations, whose representatives are not elected by the people but rather by the Leaders. What happened to the “Democracy” that Liberals love to say we have?
        We should all be afraid, Very Afraid, of people like DavidL:

      • DaveH

        From the above article — “socialists hate competition, because they always get slaughtered in a free market!”.

      • Vigilant

        Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1:

        “… No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares, “This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land…’

        “There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification which even suggest such a result…

        “It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights – let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition – to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power UNDER an international agreement, without observing constitutional prohibitions.

        “In effect, such construction would permit amendment of that document in a manner not sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and Senate combined.”

    • Tom W.

      Football is, has beeen and always will be a violent sport! Boys WILL be boys!!!
      But what we’re seeing is called thuggery! And it’s happening everywhere, not just football. Sportsmanship is dead! If you can’t play the game the way that it’s meant to be played without developing a mortal enemy mentallity towards your opponant, you shouldn’t even be out on the field. One of my proudest moments and one of my 15 minutes was shortly after the untimely passing of one of my favorite players, Derrick Thomas of the KC Chiefs, when I was actually quoted on Sports Center talking about what a great ambassador of the game the NFL had just lost! Derrick was able to play the game in a no holds barred style while at the same time showing enough good sportsmanship to help the opposing player back up and send him back to his huddle with a smile and a friendly pat on the back side! Along with being the ultimate role model for our young people both on and off the field!!! That’s what all of our sport’s are missing! When I was a young man, parents wanted their children to emmulate their favorite atheletes! Now, I understand that there are still several fine examples of young male and female professional atheletes for our young people to look up to, but for a large part, they’re a bunch of rich spoilded thugs!!!
      And although smoking marijuana is also an illegal activity, you can’t pick up the paper and find out what an oz of Red Bud is going for on the current market, but you can sure find out what the point spread is for this weekends game!!!
      We as a society have become so violent and our entertainment reflects it! From not batting an eye at putting a bullet in Osama’s head to even our cooking showes the propensity towards violence is unsurpassed, and a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy! Jesus said that as the days of No’e were so would also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matt. 24:38) How was it in Noah’s day Lord? Genesis 6:11, (KJV) “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.”

    • DG

      I stopped watching football and any other TV sport because the game is stopped to run ads. Yes, in 1976 a special time out was created to run ads. Haven’t you ever wondered why after a great play or fumble recovery a team would be super charged to get the next play off. I played the sport so I know the feeling. But now the steam is let out due to the need to produce revenue from Madison Ave. time wasters…Ads. Then of course there was a court case in which a player fined for misconduct won a verdict that stated TV sports are entertainment and not a game. How else would you get a paycheck for millions for a 10 hour week.

      • Bob

        I stopped watching NFL games about 1968. I was then a fan of the Chicago Bears (Gale Sayers, Brian Piccolo, Dick Butkus, et al). One day I decided to time the play actual play aaction in the game. I made it to the end of the first half, which took an hour and a half to complete. There was a little more than 9 minutes of action in that time. I thought, “Why am I wasting my time?”
        If figures. It takes about 5 seconds to run a typical play. Then the team has 25 seconds to line up for the next play. With time outs and other stoppages, it’s easy to see how two 15-minute quarters can drag out to an hour and a half.
        There are actually four teams in the match: two offensive teams and two defensive teams. Assuming the two clubs are evenly matched they would divide the playing time equally. If there were 20 minutes of actual play action in the game, each team would own the ball for ten minutes of action. The offensive players get 10 minutes of action. The defensive players would get 10 minutes of action (while the other team owned the ball). The rest of the time would be spent in the huddle, lining up, substitutions, commercials, etc.
        So for 10 minutes of work per week, these guys get paid millions of dollars! The TV viewer thinks he’s watching 3 hours of football; actually he’s watching 20 minutes of football five or six times with all the replays.
        What a rip-off!!!

  • Gary L

    I totally agree Chip.
    The amount of money offered in the “bounty” is peanuts compared to what they make to play.
    $1,000 is 0.1% of $1,000,000. It doesn’t amout to much.

    • Tucci78

      What seems to be escaping readers (and the writer of this article) is that while the “bounty” money itself is peanuts, the fact that such a bounty is awarded to a particular defensive player for a particular effect in a game can be significant in later contract negotiations.

      Bounty awards are – if not formal acknowledgements of performance – recognition that something effective had been accomplished on the playing field, and that raises the monetary value of the player when it comes to getting REAL money in salary and bonuses.

      • Ron

        Come on are you for real? Bounty is a normal way of the game, at least that’s what I think your saying. You may as well call it what it is intended, Let’s F’ them up award money. cheap shots are just that CHEAP! These players and coach should be out of the game. Watching a game where cheap shots are not being called is what causes people to have no faith in a sport. The SAINTS did not and should have the super Bowl trophy and rings taken back! They did not earn that title. This just goes to show it as true, I’m a Vikings fan and even with what a -5 give/take that game and they only won by the score they did, WHAT LOSERS! That is the Biggest disgrace of the NFL!

  • Sirian

    This will gain the headlines for a while and then it too will drift off to the sidelines of concern. A few may end up having to pay a fine of who knows what proportion but still, it won’t stay as a significant issue. Is there never a “scape goat” used when things of this sort arise? It may resurface come the beginning of the next season but that to will last a very short time. What’s more important to the fans? On with the games!!

  • GRusling

    Football, like many other sports, is a game of chance and “the breaks.” I learned that in high school, when we won a game on “turnovers” against a MUCH more talented opponent.

    A guy makes $7 million a year and you’re going to offer him a $1,000 bonus? Give me a break! He wouldn’t even listen to you…

    • eddie47d

      There are several who are obsessed with more money no matter how they achieve it. That $1,000 is just another game to them. Chump change and a challange in thinking it will be an easy call. Poker anyone?

  • sean murrey ILLInio

    No sportsman conduct.

  • BigBadJohn

    “Rome’s rulers knew all about how to use “bread and circuses” to keep the masses happy. Is what we have in America today really all that much different? I don’t think so.”

    Yup keep the masses brain dead and mesmerized so you can tell them anything you want and get them to do anything you tell them.

  • Charles

    Are any of the games worth missing Sunday School and church, where the eternal Word is read, discused and sung about, and the Gospel of Jesus Christ is preached?

    • John

      I rather have a good rest then go to brain wash sessions.

      • DaveH

        Obviously you haven’t gotten much rest.

      • Sirian

        You’re tired? Poor baby, are your video games still up to par?

      • MNIce

        Yes, the agenda at those sessions is always the same: First they soften your head with dazzling rhetoric such as, “Their defense will have to stop _ …” yack, yack, yack. Then the main event: to great fanfare and hullaballoo, a bunch of guys run into each other on a strip of grass, push and shove and knock each other down, then line up and do it several more times. “BUY OUR GREAT-TASTING, FUN-LOVING BEER!” Then the guys run into each other from the opposite direction and knock each other down – again, and again. “BUY OUR SNAZZY TIRE-RIPPIN’ OVERPOWERED TRUCK!” Repitio ad nauseum…

        It isn’t that I don’t enjoy watching football on occasion, but televised entertainment is where the real brainwashing happens (the preceding paragraph is written as satire to illustrate its point). Hearing and sharing eternally valuable information from the Creator of heaven and earth on the first day of the week is an activity of immeasurably greater rank.

      • samurai

        Don’t even begin to go there John. Why do you attack something that you seem to have a lack of understanding about? Its people, like you, that keep this country divided. You are a traitor. Just look at what your kind has done in Pennsylvania:


        P.S. Now this fool is a traitor.

      • DaveH

        Why do the Progressives hate religion? Because it teaches people such awful things as “Thou shalt not Steal”.

      • http://naver samurai

        Maybe it is “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor?” Lib lie all the time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Steven6032

    Football players (also actors, singers, other athletes) are paid way too much, but I agree with Chip, that is our fault because we as a nation place a disproportionate amount of value on being entertained. That being said you have to be one tough SOB to play professional football. Hard hits and physical intimidation have ALWAYS been a major part of the game. Being able to hit, being able to take a hit, being able to keep your focus knowing you are about to get hit (or might get hit), coming back after taking a hit, and not crying when you get hit.

    Everybody in pro football knows it is not good for the collective (everybody making money) to knock players out or to have permanent injuries. And none of the players want to be knocked out or injured. In the heat of the battle it is totally understandable that players would motivate themselves into hitting extra hard, even for the propose of inflicting injury, but certainly for increasing the intimidation factor. Either way you can’t have one without the other. That’s were rules and refereeing come in, to counter this normal and natural tendency to hit hard.

    I concur with Chip, that this has been blown way out of proportion. I want to here more about Whitney Houston, Kim Kardashian, and Lady Gaga. So what if they were doing a little player’s pool for the hardest hit of the game. If it is seen as causing more injuries, then pass another rule saying that they can’t do this anymore. And get on with the game.

    • Robert B

      Time will tell if this is being blown out of proportion, or if this was an isolated incident that got way out of hand. On one side, Americans (in general, imho) like fairness, and giving everyone a chance to be the best they can be. America also always love a hero. Think back to Roman times, the single combat warrior, or to wars fought long ago, the best fighter from one side goes up against the the best from the other side. Two men enter, one man leaves. You can see parallels to that in the history of this country. The first hero (single combat warrior) was of course George Washington. American arguably didn’t see that type of devotion again until the Civil War, where generals received that type of adoration (Lee and Jackson for the south versus Grant and Sherman for the north) Again, we look toward WWII to people like Eisenhower, Patton and MacArthur. Since then, the sports hero has taken that place. Think of the iconic quarterbacks over time…Unitas, Bradshaw, Stauback and Elway. Today it is Brady and to a lesser extent, the Mannings. On one hand, we are angered as a nation that these men would be hunted, but on the other hand, shouldn’t we expect this? What makes a hero? Sure a Pro Football QB doesn’t lead troupes to their death, but he does put himself in harms way, and his decisions affect the outcome of the game (read battle). Is the organized bounty system really any different than a defensive coach telling his players “I don’t care what you do but STOP that guy!!!”?

      Should New Orleans be punished? Yes.
      Is the bounty system heinous? Definitely.
      Should we be surprised? Certainly not.

  • Wumingren

    I took the red pill three years ago in the middle of the NFL season. That’s when my daughters (now 10 and 8 years old) entered Beacon Academy, a charter school that requires 20 hours of parent volunteer time in the school each year and a limit on “tube time” (TV, games, texting, Internet) to 30 minutes a day. When the two girls began bickering about who’s turn it was to watch which program, I simply pulled the plug. We have had no TV since then, and it has been a blessing. It was harder on me than it was on my daughters. They stopped being mad after about two hours, but I was missing football. Now, I don’t even know who played in the Super Bowl and I don’t even care. Take the red pill, people, and free yourselves from the boob tube.

    • AJ

      Well said!

  • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

    Now you folks know how important sports is to our lives. We couldnt exist if we didn’t have sports.How many sports fans do you know that wouldn’t leave their T V during a game to go to their voting booth on election day. I know some. Meaning sports is more important to them than the outcome of our country

  • Henry Ledbetter

    CHIP, GOOD POST. To bad some of those running for office would be as civil. Their bounty is much higher if they can win and many have no problem destroying their opponent. SARAH PALIN is an example of those that have a bounty on her head and she is not even running TRUTH would set them free but for to many people are opposed to knowing and abiding in the truth. I do believe that the majority of americans desire the truth than a lie but the liars always shout and holler the loudest when their ungodly domain is threatened. GOD AND HIS WORD IS ALWAYS TRUE.

  • FreedomFighter

    I dont watch football, its a waste of time.

    Big guys, making big money, playing a kids game.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • doctordoctor

      Oh? My guess is that an intellectual like you just watches American Idol and Dancing With the Stars!

      • DaveH

        That was a very intellectual comment, doctor.

      • FreedomFighter

        Rarely watch TV its a waste of life.

        Laus Deo
        Semper fi

      • DaveH

        I watch Dancing with the Stars. It’s certainly more intellectual than football, or your comment, doctor.

      • Sirian

        Sorry doctordoctor, I prefer the Science Channel.

      • John

        I watch TV, but mostly at work where I have to watch “4″ different programs all the time….no sound …unless there is a problem. When I go home, watching TV is limited to watching a very few choice programs via the internet on the ROKU box…I episode or show every other day is about all I can handle. I have other hobbies to keep me busy, radio astronomy and gardening is taking most my time…the harvesting season started in the greenhouse already… My hydroponic tomatoes are ready to pick and the cucumbers and peppers are not far behind. And it is not that far from the time I can garden outside. I can care less about sports or any of the other programs designed to entertain… erm dumb down ,distract and control the masses. The more this country goes into the slammer, the more shows like dancing with the stars, American Idol or mass sports will become available on TV…. designed to keep the masses calm and occupied and to turn the masses away from the real problems facing this country.

      • samurai

        Such a mature posting, not! I guess we have nothing better to do today, hmmm? We usually watch news, the History Channel, or educational programs for the kids. I tend to be too busy these days to watch football. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD ANS COUNTRY!

    • Karolyn

      I grew up in NJ in a very Giants crazy family. There is nothing like watching a sport when you are rooting for one of the teams. It can be very emotional and enjoyable, especially when watching with other supporters. I actually cried when the Giants won the Super Bowl because it was such an intense game. I don’t watch any sports other than Giants football because I could care less about any other team or any other sport. Sports are a part of our American heritage. Of course, they have changed with the times just like anything else. Many people get a great deal of joy out of team sports participation and watching.

  • doctordoctor

    Thank you for this report. I would stop being a football fan if this bounty system existed. Anyone who doesn’t think many huge incredibly strong and athletic men whose whole focus is on winning don’t play as hard as they can and sometimes sucker-punch, figuratively, opponents is not a clear-thinking adult, but to intentionally attempt to create morbid injury would not set well with me. I have observed how carefully most immense adrenalin fueled players avoid creating serious injury to kickers and quarterbacks and other players at risk. I think most, not all, but most football players are good guys who give it all they’ve got.

    • MNIce

      I’ve observed that for the most part your observations are correct. However, the Saints-Vikings playoff game was a notable exception. It appeared that there was a deliberate program to injure Brett Favre – there were a number of very hard late hits made when the referees were looking elsewhere, and obvious unnecessary roughness and personal fouls that were not called. While Favre was able to limp off the field, the battering he took, particularly the injury to his ankle, essentially finished his career; he was unable to recover his effectiveness in the following season.

      That’s what prompted the report behind this article.

  • FreedomFighter

    Panetta Publicly Admits U.S. Military/Obama Takes Orders from The U.N. 2/3

    This is it guys, TAKEOVER OF AMERICA by forgein banking cartels has started, get on the phone to congress and senate this is blatant HIGH TREASON.


    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • DaveH

      This has been going on since the beginning of our country. It’s nothing new. Read this to learn that reality:

      More revealing reads (not free though):
      “The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal your Money”
      and “How Capitalism Saved America”.

      • FreedomFighter

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        The aim was to make a socialist state controled by the UN and use the
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        laws and regulations Barak Obama usurped power
        and became dictator of the U.S. on March 8, 2012. Then Using military
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        The story is told by Americans who were dumped
        in the FEMA camps and survived and in the words of the
        death squads Military officers who left a paper trail of what the
        International Criminal Court now describes as a
        crime against humanity.

        God Help us All

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

    • DaveH

      The further they can get Government from the people, the more power they have. That’s why Self-Interested Leaders and their Crony Capitalists want to place the Seat of Power as far as they can from the people they supposedly represent.

      • FreedomFighter

        This is blatant HIGH TREASON.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Sirian

        The intensity has increased ever since they ratified the 17th DaveH. Prior to that too of course but oh yes, I agree with you – absolutely!!

    • DaveH
  • Betty Turner

    The more money,the more greed.Doesn’t surprise me one bit.There is corruption at every turn.It seems there is greed,and corruption
    everywhere.It’s getting harder to be proud of our country,when deceit,and lieing is everywhere starting with the pressident on down.Politicians are bought and paid for long before they get to office.

  • WilliamWallace

    Anyone involved in this disgusting system should receive a lifetime ban from the NFL. This is the type of thing that trickles all the way down to the Pee-Wee level.

    The integrity of the game and protecting players is not optional for the NFL, there is too much liability at stake. Its alot more complicated than saying “It isn’t the gladiators fault; the fans are to blame. If we’re willing to howl for blood, the guys on the field will give it to us”

    Rules matter. Sportsmanship matters. These guys are role models no matter what they say.

  • Gordon Peterson

    As a Viking fan, I remember the Viking-Saints playoff game-you had to be brain dead not to see that the Saints were out to KO Favre. I don’t believe there was any penalty called on any of the hits on Favre.

    Football should learn from baseball. Stick a pitch in an opponents ear and one of your players will enjoy the same fate. You”get” our quarterback and yours will be next.

    Get Religion- An eye for an eye!

    • John Myers

      Dear Gordon,
      Good post. I was a huge Brett Favre fan, when he was with the Packers and then the two years he was with the Vikings. Unlike Chip I was a bit shocked about the NFL bounty system, but I remember what the Saints did that year to Favre and to Kurt Warner. You could tell they were out to get the quarterback carted off. What I didn’t know was that guys getting paid millions were doing it to get $1,500 cash. As for Saints fans, I wonder how they would react if their squirt QB Brees lost his career over a cheap paid for by a coach?



  • Wyatt

    Interesting article , I don’t know if there is a bounty system in place but I do know that many games show late and or questionable hits that are never called against the offending team . That these teams also all seem to wear black is also not lost on me . Hmm , good guys and bad guys ?

    But then again , I have long believed that Pro football is all a show for the fans . Yeams bid on the championship for any given year by giving the League a guarantee in terms of dollars . How else do you explain how dominant teams get not only beaten by wild card teams , but blown out in what becomes a stupor bowl . I would not be surprised to find that this controversy is nothing more that a smoke screen to divert the suspicious and to to peke fan interest in the sport .

    Greed yes , players are paid enormous , obscene amounts of money to play a game . And oft times they find the need to strut and cavort like peacocks after Touchdowns , big gains , catch’s or the questionable big hits ! QB’s fall down rather than take a hit , allegedly to protect the teams investment in his talents . Yet very few of these QB’s measure up to the guys who made the league .

    Sorry , I don’t doubt the bounty system ( c0ntroversy for the fans ) nor do I doubt that the NFL is as phony as Pro Wrestling who they are evidently emulating .

  • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

    Hi treason,, in the case of Sherif Joe and Dr. Orly Taitz being just totaly pushed aside by the courts, with their proof of the fraud and deciet that put obubber in office and the chance we have now to impeach him. People get more jail time for pitching a cigarett butt than this bigtime fraud gets for having a phoney s s card. , We as citizens have to get behind these people and give all the support we can. Our representatives , the F B I , court system are all cowards to let this imposter get away with the thing he has.

    • Thinking About

      Sheriff Joe has “maybe” proof, here’s a guy who resides over an office where there is a backlog of some 400 cases of little or no investigation in sexual crimes and has a cold case posse tied up investigating a copy of a birth certificate probably downloaded from the Internet and they could see pixels, duh, printers are addresses in pixels. Is this the best investigation his posse is capable? It is no wonder why he has backlogs of cases waiting to be investigated. Did Sheriff attempt to locate anyone living in and around Obama’s mother in Hawaii? Probably not or if he did he would not reveal the results. Sheriff Joe is a fake and has proven he is.

      • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

        Better have another shot of coolaid there, and start thinking,, thinking about what?

      • Thinking About

        The truth hurts you huh, you can get over the hurt, the truth shall set you free.

      • DaveH

        Where else would he get his copy, TA? Have you seen any of the “copies” of his Birth Certificate? Do you really think it’d be that hard to fake them? Why are you so sure he’s being honest when in fact he has broken most of his Campaign promises?
        You are just taking on faith what Obama says. So how can you criticize those who believe that he is lying, especially given his track record?
        Here’s a guy who studied the image released on Obama’s own website last year:

        Why would Obama’s people fake the web-posted image? Can you trust people who perform such actions?

      • DaveH

        Here is a book about Obama’s hero FDR which reveals the truth about FDR that most of us have never heard:

        Why anybody trusts anything Big Government says is beyond me. They are just the Biggest Gang of the land, and like any gang they must feed off of other people for their sustenance.

      • DaveH

        How could any thinking person believe that Obama wouldn’t lie? First of all anybody who has seen his speeches knows that he tells lies constantly. In addition to that reality, we have a person who has no reservations about helping himself to other peoples’ money (thus enslaving them), and a person who authorizes drone strike murders on non-combatants, including some who were of no threat whatsoever to the United States.
        How can anybody be so naive as to think Obama wouldn’t lie? And yes, he isn’t the only one. I’ve never said he was. But multiple wrongs have never added up to rights in my book.

      • Thinking About

        Thank you for making my point. To investigate a copy acquired from the Internet will more than likely result in determining it may be a fraud but maybe it is a copy which is not a fraud. How many cases of backlog sexual cases did his posse solve while investigating the downloaded birth certificate, probably none.

      • DaveH

        What the Sheriff investigates is none of your business, TA.
        You’re grasping at straws.

  • revnowwhilewecan

    Being from Boston, I’m a huge sports fan. I don’t condone in anw way these actions and I won’t make excuses for them but this is how I understand it to be. I believe they do these idiotic things more because of tradition and bonding than for the money. It’s ttake away the empathy when they actually do hurt someone. By tradition, I beleive players back in the day really did do it for the money, back when players didn’t get the astronomical checks that they do now. Its a college style form of gladitorial hazing. These guys are athelets, not scholars.

  • FreedomFighter


    Call your rep, push it.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • samurai

      Could you tell us the source? We would really like to know, so we can sign a petition. Let’s keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! We are winning. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

        For one , go to google and ask for Dr. Orly Taitz , get on her web and you can learn whats going on All the bottom feeders that like to poo poo any of this information are the same ones that cant wait till we go down. Get in the movement before its too late.

      • Thinking About

        She does not have evidence which will stand in court and she probably did not go to Hawaii and try to locate people who knows Obama was born there so she does not have the complete evidence. Oh, forgot, if she located people in Hawaii who knew Obama’s parents it would prove he was born there. Another thing, she would not have to go any further than the present governor.

      • DaveH

        Can you spell NAIVE, TA?

      • DaveH
      • Thinking About

        Where are you trying to go Dave, seems you got lost in your thoughts.

      • DaveH

        I was answering Samurai’s request, TA. At least I have thoughts to get lost in.

      • DaveH
      • http://naver samurai

        Thinking About is just being ignorant. Ignore him and he’ll go away. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Palin16

    Speaking of Casablanca, I believe the greatest travesty in the history of the Acadamy Awards occured in 1943 when Humphrey Bogart lost the Best Actor award to Paul Lucas. Paul who???

    Peter Lorre: “Help me Rick, don’t let them get me!”
    Bogart: “I stick my neck out for nobody.”

    “Of all the lousy gin joints in all the world, she had to step into mine.”

    “Here’s looking at you, kid!”

    • captain mike

      You forgot “But Rick, without your help VIctor may die in Casablanca!” “What of it? I’ll probably die in Casblanca. Seems as good a place as any.”

      • Karolyn

        You guys have me wanting to watch “Casablanca” now!

  • DavidL

    Freedom Fighter,

    You are exaggerating the issue here. It is narrower than you think and not at all onerous.

    1. Can the UN tell the United States what to do? No. Why not? Because we have a veto on the governing body of the UN, the Security Council. The US has, and will always have, control of its autonomy.

    2. The US ratified the UN Charter (Treaty), and it therefore has an obligation to comply, in letter and spirit, with what it has agreed. There is not a “trump” of Congress or US law here. The UN Charter is part of our law, and the US Congress must obey the law. I am sure that you understand and agree with this.

    • DaveH

      The UN is an organization whose leaders are not elected by the people, therefore it doesn’t represent the people. We are a Sovereign Nation, and no group of our Leaders can give that up without our express approval.
      It’s funny how Liberals love to spread the rumor that we are a Democracy, but then turn around and advocate a body of Leaders who weren’t elected in any way, shape, or form by a vote of the citizens.

      • DaveH

        For those of you who don’t fear the spread of UN power, think about this — Our Federal Government was at one time constrained by the Constitution to only their enumerated Powers. Yet they have flagrantly ignored those restraints and grown to their present Leviathan Economy-Killing State of Power. Why would anybody assume the UN doesn’t have similar aspirations?

    • DaveH

      Most of us don’t like our neighbors telling us what to do. Many (if not most) of us don’t like the Federal Government telling us what to do. Imagine how you’ll feel when the UN is telling us what to do?
      Don’t kid yourselves, the UN is all about the Leaders. They will grow their Power and Perks any way that we allow them to, and maybe even if we don’t. Don’t think for an instant that the Leaders are concerned about we the people except when it comes to losing their Leadership positions. The further we let them spread their Power, the harder it is going to be to stop them when they decide to enslave us completely.

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  • JB

    All of those involved should be identified and brought to trial, and then locked up.


    This has went on since the first football game . The equipment they use these days is better than early on but people get hurt .I feel bad for them til I hear what they are paid . I didn’t make as much as a rookie not drafted makes in a life time so just quit whining or quit football . Equllity is not defined in professional sports .The stars rise and The not so tallented fall by the wayside . The people mentioned are the targeted players that handle the ball more and increace the probability of injuries.[ 28 mil contract ]

  • Sully

    I believe it was real; the money may not have changed their lives, but winning sure would. How about the Super Bowl?
    The officials and players involved should be fired. No brainer. If not, gee it could happen again. Hmm

  • oldagg

    Glad you finally caught up. In 1979 I used to have a quote or question of the day posted on my office black board (Yes – it was real chalk!). Way back then I posed: “Rome in its period of decay had free bread and circuses. America has food stamps and professional football. Would someone please tell me the difference”.

    Several clever comments were made by co-workers. But basically it appears I was 33 years ahead of my time.

  • George B Vieto

    The New Orleans Saints defense are the good guys compared to the Oakland Raiders 1977 Super Bowl defense that beat the Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl XI.

  • DM

    All the major sports are crooked in my opinion. The line in Vegas is what determines who will or will not win the major games. It is all about the money and not for “sport” since the criminals took over the industry! Proof is in the pudding if you go back to most major games of any kind where one team seems to be totally having an “off night” or “off day” and can’t seem to do anything right when their season was almost impecable! Wake up people and stop supporting this money grubbing corruption in sports!

  • s c

    In a normal world, this might be a relevant topic. I’m guessing that most people aren’t yet familiar with a concept known as ‘bread-and-circuses.’ Do a Google search. Learn. THINK.
    I’m surprised no one has brought up the idea of professional football players who a) are not paying their fair share b) pro football players need to have their salaries capped [some make TOO MUCH MONEY] or c) Obummer’s gift to law enforcement [Holder] is about to launch an investigation and SAVE us from ourselves – again.
    People, either learn to have standards for watching your idiot box, or blow up the damned thing. There’s more to life than TV or ‘greed’ or numbing your brain via bread-and- circuses or politicians who can’t solve ANY problems (let alone America’s problems).
    If you’re not careful, America, watching too much TV might turn you into utopians. Some of you can barely think as it is right now.

  • FreedomFighter

    Media Cover-up of Obama Impeachment Exposed

    Mainstream Government News Services are covering up IMPEACHENT OF OBAMA

    Have you seen this on the news? 3 days into the Impeachment Event — NOTHING ON TV

    We are being duped, and lied to by media, a black out is in effect

    Call congress — call them — call FOX, Call CNN, and the others — let them know we know, lets remove the media blockade.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • DaveH

      I quit watching Fox when they cancelled Freedom Watch.


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