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Prepping For The Assault On Iran

October 26, 2012 by  

Prepping For The Assault On Iran
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U.S. and Israeli troops held “their largest-ever joint military drill” Wednesday in preparation for the coming assault on Iran.

“Make no mistake. The U.S. is 100 percent committed to the security of Israel. That commitment drives this exercise,” said U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. Craig Franklin in a news conference at a training site near a beach in the Tel Aviv area.

Perhaps he understated the commitment. President Barack Obama and challenger Mitt Romney mentioned Israel at least 31 times (depending upon who’s counting) during Monday’s foreign policy debate in Boca Raton, Fla. It seems now that America’s foreign policy is Israel’s foreign policy.

If any country was mentioned as much as Israel, it was Iran. Never mind that all you’re being told about Iran’s designs and nuclear capabilities are lies, as I noted here some time ago. But Americans have bought the lies. Iran is the enemy of Israel and therefore the enemy of the United States. Iran is the bogey du jour.

America’s empire surrounds Iran. Romney thinks Syria is Iran’s path to the sea. His understanding of liberty is as sound as his knowledge of geography. But Bibi Netanyahu has Romney’s ear. Not so much Obama’s, but the Jewish lobby controls the cash and, therefore, controls Obama as well. Though Obama seems to understand Mideast geography, his appreciation for liberty is worse than Romney’s, if that’s possible.

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The United States used its air power and al-Qaida to topple Libya’s Moammar Gadhafi. It is using al-Qaida to try and topple Syria’s Bashar Assad. Make no mistake; regardless of which sock puppet wins the election, war with Iran is inevitable. It’s all part of the plan for the New World Order, and the elites have their designs on Iran’s oil fields.

There will be an attack on Iran. The question is: Will Russia and China sit back and watch, or will they join the fray?

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • eddie47d

    There you go again,your going to upset the right wing wackos who constantly says Obama hates Israel and won’t stand by her. That’s another political myth put forth by the myriad of commenters with no teeth in it. It is correct that there will be little difference in Middle East foreign policy no matter who is elected. The big difference is that Obama is willing to take Netanyahu to task and not let him dictate terms. Romney already has shown allegiance to Netanyahu’s policies and has insisted he (Romney) will do as asked. Romney is Israel’s puppet and has said so up front.

    • sailor

      Another liberal moron gezz!

      • Karolyn

        SteeeeRike 2!

      • OneGuess

        Here you go, Karolyn, strike 3. You are a moron. Now, feel better?

      • http://none Claire

        Karolyn: Hope all is well with you. Keep standing up for what you believe in. There is a lot of hate at this moment in time. Seems like some people get off on calling other people names. Makes them feel good, I guess. Makes them feel important. Now they will call me names, so be it.

    • Alex

      A+ goes to eddie47d!

      And sailor—at least bring a WOODEN bat when you want to step up to the plate—your comment is the equivalent of bunting a strike-two pitch foul with a wrapping-paper tube. If you see something wrong in a post, POINT IT OUT instead of flinging pejoratives to mask your lack of cogent thought….

      • OneGuess

        Alex, you, Karolyn and eddie47d should hook up and go haunt some other site. Three blind mice; apologies to mice.

      • Gary L

        Sometimes is just easier to call B.S.

      • eddie47d

        Sailor only proves that his first loyalty is to Israel and not to the USA.

    • guest

      all Obama want is to win he could care less about the USA

      • eddie47d

        If Bush cared about the USA he would have stayed out of Iraq. If Romney cared about the USA he wouldn’t be pushing for war in Iran.

    • Thor

      You go, edward! Haven’t made it to ’48′ I see. Speaking of myths, how about that oil thing? Always there is the mention of oil as motivation for aggression when the more plausible explanation–the real reason–for placing troops in position to attack Iran is the fact that the global strings of terrorism have been pulled from Tehran since the Shah was deposed. We tried leaving them alone…It did not work. And the pundits of US isolationism are still left to explain why a country with the oil reserves of the US is attacking Iran for …yep…oil!

      • DaveH

        Oil and Money, Thor. Mostly money:
        http://2012patriot.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/new-libyan-gold-dinar/

        It’s too bad so many good people are so easy to fool. But the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists love you.

      • DaveH

        This is nothing new, by the way. The Bankers have been using Government to protect their fraudulent activities at the expense of the people since our Country began:
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

      • TML

        There is no plausible reason to place troops in a position to attack Iran.

        Speculation that Terhan has pulled the strings of terrorism is a false narrative burned into the American psyche by the news show Nightline’s 444 day coverage of the Hostage Crisis. A revolution which came as the direct result of US overthrow of their democratically elected Prime Minister to put the oppressive Shah back in power – for reasons of OIL. It is true that one man’s terrorist is another man’s patriot. I guess it all depends on the context of perspective.

        And please explain to me when we ever ‘left Iran alone’. As I understand it, after the Iranian revolution, we supplied Iraq with arms to assist their illegal invasion of Iran for 8 years. Please explain to me where we ever tried ‘leaving them alone’.

        Btw… I doubt anyone is a pundit of “isolationism” as much as they are “non-intervention”.

      • Vigilant

        TML founders once again with “Speculation that Terhan [sic] has pulled the strings of terrorism is a false narrative burned into the American psyche by the news show Nightline’s 444 day coverage of the Hostage Crisis. A revolution which came as the direct result of US overthrow of their democratically elected Prime Minister to put the oppressive Shah back in power – for reasons of OIL.”

        News flash for you: this is 2012, not 1979. Iran’s heavy hand in world terrorism TODAY has nothing to do with media coverage of the hostage crisis 33 years ago. Had you taken the time to read http://www.worldthreats.com/?cat=17 you would have known this.

        BTW, that “democratically elected Prime Minister” you mentioned was guilty of nationalizing the oil industry in Iran, stealing billions from BP and others. Hitler was democratically elected to his first government position as well.

        If you wish to present an air of legitimacy, study the history books.

      • TML

        Vigilant says, “News flash for you: this is 2012, not 1979. Iran’s heavy hand in world terrorism TODAY has nothing to do with media coverage of the hostage crisis 33 years ago. Had you taken the time to read http://www.worldthreats.com/?cat=17 you would have known this.”

        It has everything to do with the mindset of Americans, as even you have shown by acceptance that Saudi Arabia only wants nuclear capability for defense against the evil Iran, while promoting Iran wants nuclear weapons (even though they say otherwise) merely to turn Israel into a glass parking lot. It’s engrained into your head without reason. Most of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi’s and you would support them with comments such as this earlier? – “Their aspirations are to DEFEND their Sunni country from the Shiite radicalism of the Iranians… …They, like Saudi Arabia, are VERY concerned about Iran developing a nuclear weapons capability” – Need to wake up and get a grip on reality, ‘son’.

        Vigilant says, “BTW, that “democratically elected Prime Minister” you mentioned was guilty of nationalizing the oil industry in Iran, stealing billions from BP and others. Hitler was democratically elected to his first government position as well.”

        There is legitimacy in what I’m saying. It’s all a matter of perspective on some things. Mosaddegh can hardly be compared to Hitler… I know you like to use such a scenario to strike fear into someone to think your argument is then valid, but you’re wrong.

        “Guilty” of nationalizing the oil? Stealing billions from Oil Corporations by taking back their own oil, on their own land? Clearly this is one of the perceptual things we will not see eye to eye on, as I believe they had the right to do so.

      • Gary Mitchell

        You know we could just buy the oil. With the deliberate devaluation of the dollar who wants the dollar any more. Iran no longer excepts the dollar in the purchase of oil. China and Iran have worked out an agreement to exchange infrastructure for oil. If oil is the reason for the attack as some suggest do you really think China will just watch? Israel is worth defending and we will. The real problem is How do we deal with Iran? And Bush Senior destroyed our arsenal of neutron bombs. What was he thinking?

    • don

      yes eddie belives big gov is the answer to everthing an hate the jews like his buddy mulism obama. hang on buddy the change you don’t want is comming nov 6

    • mark

      You nailed it, Eddie. You are absolutely right on this one. If Obama wins there is a chance that war with Iran may be averted. If Romney wins, war with Iran is certain. Romney is the clear leader of the Sell-Out-America-for-Israel wing of the Republican Party. The Old Bush administration’s neocons are smacking their lips with anticipation of another war in the Middle East, this one with Iran. Romney will never stand up to Bullyboy Netanahu. He and AIPAC will will pull Romney around by that Israeli ring Romney has in his nose. Get ready for $15 a gallon gasoline once the Iranians light up the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz with rocket attacks on all shipping.

      • BR549

        Hardly, BOTH Obama and Romney are voluntary Bilderberg attendees and, in case you people haven’t been doing your homework, that means they both march to the same globalist drum; like the Bonanno and Gambino families competing for the same turf, but operating with the same principles.

        While the majority of armchair potatoheads were still rooting for these two marionettes, the Third Party debates on RT gave those viewers a taste of what the real issues are. It’s unfortunate that none of them really have a chance, but it doesn’t deflate the level of their debate. Contrary to the staged debate by these two narcissists, the Third Party debates were entirely civil and especially informative. Obama and Romney both agree to attack Iran, which is exactly what the globalists want, while all the Third Party Candidates were in opposition. Apparently the latter actually understand our Constitution and respect other peoples’ sovereignty.

        Thus, in two weeks time, we will ALL lose to the globalists and each side can dig their heels in the sand and proclaim that only their candidate can turn this country around. As long as Rockefeller is still picking who will be the Democrat candidate AND the Republican candidate, our economy will only be further intentionally eviscerated. If anyone heard the debates on RT, they’d know of what I speak; the American public has been duped into drooling over a dog and pony show.

        But while everyone is sleeping tonight, ask yourselves which one of your two favorite candidates has a history of denouncing NAFTA. NAFTA was globalism’s foot getting stuck in our doorway; Perot saw that one coming a mile away.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      eddie, teddy 47 ways to be a commie, obozo won’t help Israel in the end, you heard what he told the Russian and Russia will attack Israel if Iran gets hit, wake up nazi.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        That well be a good day ! no more iserhell !

    • Bimbam

      Thankfully, the generals have over ruled oBama, Barry or whatever his name is. They realize not only is he NOT qualified to be president, he is an ILLEGAL one.

      He is a usurper and should be arrested immediately along with Hairy Weed, Nancy Pvssy, and maybe the enitre demoncrap party.

      • BR549

        Yeah, but let’s not forget that the administration of Bush the Dolt had its own cast of characters; Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Ashcroft, Micheal (Skeletor) Chertoff, and that list goes on as well.

        When the administrations change and nothing else changes, people should at least be asking themselves, WTF? But few do. Instead, they keep insisting that their favorite party is capable of pulling us out of this mess …… if it weren’t for the malicious legislation put forth by that OTHER party.

        Jimmy Carter, as much as I had though him to be more of a humanitarian than many of the others, turned out to be a flaming early globalist and had packed his administration with 400 some odd members of the Trilateral Commission, at David Rockefeller’s suggestion, of course.

        So, while I completely agree with your assessment of this administration, I think it wise to look at the larger picture.

    • Bimbam

      Thankfully the generals have over-ruled the living man-child, the Alfred E Neumann lookalike and the women that rule his life like MEchele, Hillaryous Clinton, Nancy P[comment has been edited].

    • Jimmy the Greek

      eddie the zionist own obama and romney ! If we were smart we should put are differences aside and do what needs to be done . Expell all the jews from America !

  • greg

    Anyway,whatever happens good old Great Britain and her Britannic Majesty will surely be there in the thick of it to help our American cousins.

    • mark

      Yeah, greg, with their 6 ship navy, their 50 plane air force, and their 60 tank armored force.

      • http://Aol.com Ed Weber

        That is just about the military might that Obama wants for the U.S. military.

      • BR549

        Actually, that is the goal of the UN and Agenda21, to eventually cripple the US Navy, Army, AIr Force, and Marine Corp so that the US will eventually have forced service as UN troops. So, all you jarheads out there who think your elite organization will stay intact, forget about it, you people, all of the US military is being played like a cheap violin.

        From the UN’s own Agenda21 material, “Agenda 21 proposes an array of actions which are intended to be implemented by every person on earth…it calls for specific changes in the activities of all people…Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all humans, unlike anything the world has ever experienced.”

        They are using the US military to clear out pockets of globalist resistance across the globe, nothing more. It has nothing to do with Al Qaeda or even preserving democracy or our way of life. As Kissinger had pointedly stated to Alexander Haig, military men
        were dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy. That is what the people who REALLY run our government think of those who shed their blood believing they are doing good. I hope, when these guys return home, they are able to fathom that level of deceit and remember who is responsible.

  • Yoyita

    No mistake, Oboomer said he is behind Israel, but he is not, He is a Muslim and his priority is the safe of his brothers, all you see right now is because Oboomer needs the Jewish votes, ones he get reelected he will blame to the Senate, to the Bird, to anything but mark my word, HE WILL DO NOTHING TO HELP ISRAEL, in fact he hates
    BIBI.

    • sailor

      Well that moron is not getting my vote thats for sure. Hitler did the very same, lie lie lie until the people would believe him, and look what that did to their country? Separated Germany for a good number of years…now they do not wish to hear the word Socialism or Communism no matter what the [expletive deleted] spews on paper.

    • RAB

      YO, you are so right; THANK YOU…GOD BLESS AMERICA; IN GOD WE TRUST…

    • http://twitter.com/EricJonesson19 Eric Jones (@EricJonesson19)

      Dont suppose you have proof to back up this cospiracy theorey? BTW his religion is NONE of our buesness

  • Alex

    More likely we would blunder into more Middle-East aggression under Mitt Romney than under President Obama—Mitt is the one who has been waving a $2 TRILLION check under the nose of Daddy Warbucks—-Raytheon, DynaCorp, KBR, etc—-a check drawn on OUR account.

    Romney said it was “tragic” when the president ended the Iraq War right on the day specified by the guys who STARTED it in the first place! “{T}ragic”, Mitt thinks it is—bringing our troops home from war! Tell THAT to the families of these vets! Mitt said he would have left them there longer.

    Though most Mormons do not drink, Mitt has drunkenly veered back to Center after wiping out the line of dim lights of the Right during the primary campaign. The man has no balance, no soul—he just careens into the guardrails, depending on who he’s lying to!

    In the last debate, he flipped again, this time basically agreeing with the president’s exit strategy for the longest war in US history, but that seems to be just the camera-ready Romney, not the Real Deal who knows deep in his clean-coal-black heart that there is BIG MONEY to be made throwing OUR children, not HIS, not EVER his, into another bloodbath.

    He is a businessman, after all, and money will always trump morality with his type of
    uber-Capitalist—-look—he’s in support of the GOP’s anti-abortion plank, yet, Vulture Capitalist that he is, still managed to rake in MILLIONS disposing of aborted fetuses!

    Hypocrisy, anyone?

    • sailor

      I wonder in what country you have lived all your life you dumb ass!

      • Alex

        North Mexico, baby….

      • Karolyn

        So much for intelligent discourse. First strike of the day (personal attacks) – Conservatives!

      • momo

        If alex lived in north Mexico the cartels would have whacked him.

    • DaveH

      And if anybody knows hypocrisy, it’s a Liberal Progressive.

      • boyscout

        Dave, you can pull that same hat down over RINO ears.

      • DaveH

        Those are just the other side of the same Progressive Coin, Boyscout — The NeoConservative Progressives:
        http://mises.org/daily/1259

      • eddie47d

        …or Republicans. Dave loves code (rino) and seldom if ever says REPUBLICANS as most won’t when they are called out.

      • DaveH

        Unlike you, Eddie, I make an effort to use precise English.
        Not all Republicans are Neoconservative Progressives, and even some Democrats fit that description.

    • JTB

      Alex .. you remind me of an ostrich .. ” if I stick my head in the ground … nothing is going to hurt me” .. but you have yours up your ass!

      • eddie47d

        No JTB that is Romney’s motto!

    • don

      alex my boy here is an nother cup of coolaid fer ya drink up an return to your liberial world of ruin.

    • samuel

      Well said Alex thanks. Our vice president Biden has a son now serving our country in Iraq that is
      patriotism . Has Mitt Romney ever considered sending at least two of his sons to Iraq ,
      Afghanistan or any of the trouble spots in the Middle East?

      • Jimmy the Greek

        His son is not doing jack cit for this country ! he is doing what isreal wants done .

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    Psychos do what psychos do.

  • Jeff King

    Yoyita, I couldnt have said it better. I will add, the only thing standing between him and Caliphate is that pesky media.

  • thomas

    no one seems to read the bible,bless israel,gods people and we will be blessed.do you think god will care about usa if we don,t back them?.i will give up my citizenship if we don,t.

    • DaveH

      See ya.
      If you want to support Israel, Thomas, or Iran, or whoever, then do so, with your Own money. But keep your hands out of my pockets.

      • Chester

        DaveH, maybe you should MOVE to Iran. At least there you wouldn’t have to worry about SUPPORTING Israel.

      • http://hotmail Sharon Bault

        Better read the Bible.DON’T HAVE TO BE A CHRISTIAN. IT IS WHAT GOD SAID.

      • DaveH

        Chester,
        I’m sorry that you went to public school. Perhaps you could get somebody to read my comment for you.

      • DaveH
    • BR549

      Thomas, get a grip, a clue, AND and education. You might not think Israel to be such a good friend when you read how they REALLY feel about goyim:
      1. Sanhedrin 59a – To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

      2. Libbre David 37 – A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.

      3. Choschen Hamm 388, 15 – …… At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, ……

      ……….. and, Thomas, you really need to read up on what those murdering bastards did to us during the USS Liberty incident in 1967. Then come back and you can have an informed conversation with the rest of us.

    • TML

      Blessing a people, doesn’t mean that you must follow them into a war instigated by them. God’s support for Israel wasn’t/isn’t unconditional and neither should ours be.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      thomas your a fool !

  • Phil

    I find it hard to believe that there are so many liberals out there that actually still believe that our sitting President is a staunch supporter of Israel. Based on what evidence? You mean the headline that tells us that U.S. and Israel hold their “largest ever joint military drill” conveniently about 10 days from the elections? To stir up deteriorating support from the left-wing sheep? Honestly, those of you who continuously whine about how the U.S. is “owned” and directed by the Jews is eerily reminiscent of Germany in the 1930s. Seriously. If you want a better understanding of what may drive our President’s policies and worldview….have a look at these video clips that capture the essence of his ideology and maybe yours as well…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

    • DaveH

      Obama will support whoever he thinks will best help him keep his Presidency.

    • don

      to you phil oooohhaaaa if i wore a hat i’d take it off to you. more phils please

    • http://golsanrp@suddenlink.net R.G.Malone

      Phil, you’re right on. Obamy will continue to say anything, do anything, cover up anything that will help himself stay in the White House another four years. Hussein Obamy is the biggest phony there ever was, and I honestly believe most of the Democrats know he is a liar and a loser, but they just hate the Republicans so much that they continue to support Hussein. Incredibly they look upon this election as not what’s best for America, but look upon this election as a popularity contest. Come on, folks. You’ll have another opportunity in four years to take the Republicans to the woodpile. But for our immediate future, throw his ass out, and let’s get behind someone who at least has a grasp of what is good for America. Hussein Obama does not have the goodness of America in his heart.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sherri.mcardle Sherri McArdle

    The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised
    > > “Meet The Press’.
    > > From Sunday’s 07 Sept. 2008 11 : 48 : 04 EST, Televised “Meet the Press”
    > > THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.
    > > General Bill Gann’ USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain WHY he doesn’t
    > > follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
    > > The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code,
    > > Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171…
    > > During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all
    > > present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing
    > > the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least,
    > > “Stand and Face It”.
    > > NOW GET THIS !!
    > > ‘Senator Obama replied :
    > > “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking
    > > sides”. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag
    > > is a symbol of oppression..” “The anthem itself conveys a war-like message.
    > > You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing.”
    > > (ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???)
    > > Obama continued : “The National Anthem should be ‘swapped’ for something
    > > less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the
    > > World To Sing’. If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my
    > > opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as
    > > ‘redesign’ our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It’s my intention,
    > > if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle
    > > East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like
    > > the nations of Islam, where peace prevails – – – perhaps a state or period
    > > of mutual accord could exist between our governments ……”
    > > When I become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end
    > > hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a
    > > freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon
    > > the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice which is WHY my wife disrespects
    > > the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the
    > > past”.
    > > “Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the
    > > United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power to bring
    > > CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path. My wife and I look
    > > forward to becoming our Country’s First black Family. Indeed, CHANGE is
    > > about to overwhelm the United States of America ”
    > > Yes, you read it right.
    > > I, for one, am speechless!!!
    > >
    > > Dale Lindsborg , Washington Post
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEEDS
    > > TO READ THIS, SO KEEP IT GOING ! !
    > > SAVE AMERICA BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE ! !

    • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

      Sherri, Notwithstanding other issues, as evidenced in what obama said, he truly has shown himself to personify the WORST of America to the World times( how many drones)
      and his own Hypocrisy. One would almost think he has dones so DELIBERATELY

      • http://golsanrp@suddenlink.net R.G.Malone

        Roger, I firmly agree with you. And I do believe his actions are quite deliberate. Hussein Obama is the epitome of division, which undoubtedly is the WORST of America.

    • http://google rose

      how was he allowed to become president. He should be charged with treason.

    • http://golsanrp@suddenlink.net R.G.Malone

      Lord, bless you, Sherri, for helping to expose Hussein Obama’s beliefs. I wish more people would read what you have to write. Hussein Obama, and Michelle Obama, are not honest. They will never “come clean” with the American people. They continue to “live a lie” because they believe they can exert more adverse influence, can wield more division in America because of their powerful position. It’s unbelievable how good Americans can close their eyes and ears just because the Obamas now represent the Democratic party. STAND UP, AMERICA! This should not be Democrats vs. Republicans. This should not even be Leftists vs. Rightists. We can fight our individual “wars” another day among ourselves, but for the love of America, let’s get this unpatriotic, un-American out of office now. This individual is responsible for tearing this nation up.

    • TML

      “There is a hoax about President Obama, the Flag and a Meet the Press program on Sept 7, 2008. The email about disrespecting the US flag that attributed absurd dialogue to President Obama was fiction… …It was written as comedy satire:

      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_can_you_find_the_'Meet_the_Press'_transcript_for_Sept_7_2008_Obama_US_flag_stance#ixzz2AQoeq3hM

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26590488/ns/meet_the_press/t/meet-press-transcript-sept/#.UIrXMWfwWIk

  • Paul Wells

    I have to say…the Iran situation makes me very nervous. This truly seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. I don’t blame Israel for being nervous, Iran has threatened to wipe them off of the map more times than i can count. I also believe though, that any thinking person has to be nervous about the thought of Iran getting nuclear warheads, because they’ll show no restraint at using them. If iran were more moderate in their belief system, I wouldn’t worry so much, but they’ve repeatedly shown they need no provocation to express rage. This attack, if and when it happens, well there won’t be anyone sitting on the sidelines. One way or another, the whole world will be drawn into it, and that is a matter of grave concern!

    • don

      paul their is no dam if you do an damed if you don’t on this one IRAN can bot be alowed an nuke period nought said. they will use it an right now our leader in the white house are so weak on desionmaking that its a joke. an its on us.

    • DaveH

      First of all Paul, unless you speak Persian fluently, you have no idea what Iranians have said about Israel. You only have the words of our lying Politicians and their sycophantic media.
      Secondly, Paul says — “any thinking person has to be nervous about the thought of Iran getting nuclear warheads, because they’ll show no restraint at using them”.
      Any “thinking person” does not judge people before they act. There is only one country who has ever used Nuclear Weapons against another country. One guess which country that was.
      And the US is meddling is more countries’ business than any other country I know of. So who really is the least trustworthy with Nuclear Weapons?

      • Paul Wells

        DaveH,

        I’ve watched over the weeks at your tirades about conspiracy theories, and how both parties are corrupt to the core, and in bed with the industrial military complex elites, blah blah blah. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has on numerous occasions, picked up by ALL news media everywhere that Israel should be wiped off the map. Now…I don’t know what that means in YOUR world, but in mine, I take the threat seriously. And the fact that you don’t, tells me that somehow you have perhaps become unhinged with reality of this world.

        Concerning your comment about “thinking people” not judging people before they have the facts…It’s a damned good thing the U.S. entered WW II when they did, because although Nazi Germany had done nothing to us directly, I believe had we not entered that conflict we’d be in a world of hurt right now. I’m really quite surprised that you actually are challenging me on this point, you as a “thinking person” have come up with your world view, yet you seem to mock mine. Riiiight. Hyperbole much? Also, I would point out the hypocrisy, it’s okay for YOU as a thinking person to make judgements about people, but not okay if I do it.

        Lastly…it was ghastly that the U.S. used nuclear warheads against Japan at Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, but after the Pearl Harbor attack, I believe we became interested in ENDING that war, and end it, it did. But I will not challenge your point about being involved in too many fronts around the world. I believe the rationale for so doing (at least according to the politicians) is that the world has become a very dangerous place, a point that I acknowledge and do NOT dispute.

        This is a good forum for us to debate, and disagree, as long as we don’t name call and are somewhat respectful. It would be great if we’d all remember that.

      • DaveH

        Paul says — “I’ve watched over the weeks at your tirades about conspiracy theories, and how both parties are corrupt to the core, and in bed with the industrial military complex elites, blah blah blah”.
        What tirades? What Conspiracy Theories? Your comment is pure hyperbole, Paul. And you expect people to lend your comment any credibility?

      • DaveH

        Paul says — “Concerning your comment about “thinking people” not judging people before they have the facts…It’s a damned good thing the U.S. entered WW II when they did, because although Nazi Germany had done nothing to us directly, I believe had we not entered that conflict we’d be in a world of hurt right now”.
        I said “thinking person”, Paul, not “thinking people”. You can’t even get my quote right. And “thinking person” was in quotes because it was a reflection of the phrase you used in your previous comment.
        You can “believe” all you want, but the evidence points very strongly to the fact that if the US has not entered either WWI or WWII there would have been millions of lives spared and the majority of those being innocent civilians.
        If you really wanted to seek truth (I doubt it), you could read this book:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

        But rest assured, other people will read it, and that’s all I care about.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        Dave H you are right ! if Germany had won WW2 Europe today would not me the multicultural crap pit is is today , and the middle east would be peaceful because there would be no israel .

      • gunner689AI

        DaveH; if you ad Jimmy the Geek are such totalitarian lovers your dreams will come true if BO gets re-elected. Hope you enjoy it. The EU is just Hitler’s dream without the Panzers. We can all see how well that’s working out.

  • John Fobes

    Just looking at a middle east regional map it is obvious that Iran’s only direct path to the sea is through the Persian Gulf. But just looking at a map will not fill in the gaps about the current middle east political chess game that Iran is playing. Lebanon and Syria are puppet states of Iran so Iran has no trouble with using these two puppet states as a land or air path way to the Mediterranean Sea. Secondly, Iraq is now in Iran’s back pocket as well since Obama and Biden failed to secure an agreement where US troops would remain in Iraq. Iran and Iraq share a religious sect commonality. Iran has the most to loose if Syria’s Assad falls and Iran also fails leave a like minded radical Islamic presence behind to fill in the vacuum of the Syrian president. Since Turkey is now refusing Syrian over flights, the arms over flights are now using the air space over northern Iraq. Romney could not possibly be more right in stating that Iran is our greatest enemy. Iran is behind most of the worlds terrorism. A good threat of a beat down of Iran will stop most world terrorism.

    • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

      John Forbes, no-one could be as ignorant of the politics in this world ,and specifically in the Middle East, as you are showing yourself here, so my conclusion is you are a disinformation agent for the Zionists, and a foolish one at that because they will enslave you too, …probably first…. IF they win.Fortunately people are waking up. with SOME exceptions,obviously.

      • BR549

        Roger, I couldn’t agree with you more. There is nothing more dangerous than ignorant or misinformed people who think they they have all the answers. Not meaning to pick on any one person here, but jeez, if people haven’t seen the political trends taking place, particularly the rapid escalation since Reagan left office, they have to be blind as a bat.

        This has nothing to do with parties, since our two major parties are both in this as thick as thieves, as I’m confident that you, at least, are already aware.

      • Chester

        Roger, you had better do some studying, instead of swallowing whole all the junk being passed on to you. Even better, actually WATCH the news, as this is a longstanding affair that even Fox has halfway right. Iran is, and has been for quite some time, the chief supporter of a number of the larger terrorist organizations, Al Quaida and Hezbollah being only a couple of them.

      • Sgt. Slammer

        Roger,
        You accuse John Fobes of a complete lack of understanding of the worlds political standing yet you offer no “nuggets” of your superior knowledge….just insults…..are you sure you are not a liberal instead of a libertarian???

      • DaveH

        Surely Chester you don’t really think that Iran is the only supporter of terrorist organizations?
        Britain and the US, or I should say the Governments and Crony Capitalists of Britain and the US, have been supporting terror throughout the last hundred years in order to keep their financial gains. Read this book and awaken to reality:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • DaveH

        USA! USA! USA!
        Like a bunch of mindless drones.
        http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

        In 2000 Iraq began selling its oil in euros.
        In 2006 Syria switched all of the state’s foreign currency transactions to euros from dollars.
        In 2009 Iran completely stopped conducting oil transactions in U.S. dollars.
        In 2011 Libyan Leader Ghadafi decided to to pursue a gold standard and reject dollars for oil payments.
        And you wonder why the US Government involves us in these countries? Can you say Bankers?

      • John Fobes

        Roger, if you are in quest of ignorance then you need to look no further than having a good look into a mirror. I have been and will always be ready and willing to defend my country.andIf need be. to die in defense of my country. Are you willing to do the same?
        I recommend that you and your pathological supporting liberals friends in mental illness add a straight jacket to your wardrobes, go back on your medication and have a change of address to a funny farm. I can promise that none of my comments were made in fear. Its a real shame that your strong propensity for stupidity is not an offense that one could be prosecuted for. Did you exhaust your intellectual acumen by making insults and offering no sound arguments. Finally. In response to your cohort supporters.If you believe that Iran does not have nuclear ambitions then will also believe that getting wet in the rain is just a coincidence.
        John Fobes

      • DaveH

        Do you know the difference between a Defender, John, and an Aggressor?

        • John Fobes

          The answer to your question is an obvious “yes”and if you would like to engage in edifying discussion, please be a little less vague. I think you must be referring to my reply to Roger our northern liberal. If this the case, then you should review the content of his reply to my very first post that I have ever made on this blog site. He made a plethora of vicious insults that were unprovoked. Now, if I am zeroed in on your reason then be less vague. If you are making reference to the long standing animosity of Iran’s undeclared war against the United States, then I will elaborate. Iran engages in forgery of our currency. Iran initiates more terrorist attacks than any country on this planet. Most of these acts of terror are against the United States. Iran is in the process of making their first nuclear weapon since North Korea was unable to deliver one to them. Yes this is a not widely fact but we should not be a nave when identifying Iran’s intent for hostilities. Ignoring has not worked, sanctions only hurt Iran’s citizens and have not deterred Iran’s leadership. Iran has repeatedly stated that they would erase Israel from the map. Only one or maybe two weapons would do that. There would be no recovery after the fact. Are willing to wait until this evil act is over. Frankly , I am much more concerned about a dirty bomb. That could become a reality in the near future. We should let Iran know in uncertain terms that we mean business. Preemptive action is a form of defense.

      • DaveH

        I asked that question, John, because it looks to me like you’re one of those who will buy whatever the administration sells as an excuse to attack others who have not attacked us. If we applied the Preemptive Strike logic to everyday America, there wouldn’t be many people left alive.
        Even if you could provide references (which I haven’t seen) to your various claims, they still would not come close to the kind of rigorous evidence that must be provided to a court of law before somebody can be deprived of life or property. And you might answer that with — But this is War, to which I would have to say — “Sure, whatever you say”.
        I will repeat the link which I have already posted twice on this board, so you have no excuses for not reading it:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

        • John Fobes

          I find your comment offensive and simple minded. First as a Marine I followed orders to the T. Secondly as a civilian, I follow nothing without clear thought and critical examination. You are going off in an extreme nonsensical tangent when equating rules of engagement with every day American life. The comparison is extremely nonsensical. You most be totally blind to the fact that Iranian rulers have been engaging in an undeclared war since 1979. I carefully examined your link. It addresses warfare prior to the advent of modern nuclear weapons. The possibility of nuclear war is a very serious game changer.

    • Vigilant

      John, you are correct. As for the ignorant and misinformed replies to your comment, I say to those posters: Yes, by all means continue with this insanity that refuses to read the writing on the wall. For those who fail to see the truth, consider the following:

      1 .“Iran [has] developed the infrastructure to go all the way from uranium ore to highly-enriched uranium, way beyond what is needed for a nuclear energy program alone…” (www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/10/21/does-anyone-care-about-irans-nuclear-energy-program/)

      2. Oct. 4: “The chief of the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog urged Iran Thursday to engage in fresh talks on its nuclear ambitions in an effort to end months of stalemate that has denied inspectors access to the country’s key nuclear facilities.” (online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443768804578035983065700620.html)

      Hiding your heads in the sand and thinking that everything’s going to turn out OK didn’t work for Chamberlain and it didn’t work for Jimmy Carter in N. Korea.

      • TML

        John is far from correct. He’s driven by fear to only peculate and ignores the truth.
        Sorry Vig… but if Iran isn’t cooperating with inspector access to the countries key nuclear facilities, then how can anyone say they have developed the infrastructure to produce and enrich uranium above 20% used in most medical research reactors? Talk about misinformed. Yes, let’s read the writing on the wall, and use our heads, shall we?

        http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iaeairan/index.shtml

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9048556/IAEA-nuclear-inspection-gets-under-way-in-Iran.html

        http://www.isisnucleariran.org/brief/detail/confirmation-of-advanced-centrifuge-installation/

      • Vigilant

        TML says, “Sorry Vig… but if Iran isn’t cooperating with inspector access to the countries key nuclear facilities, then how can anyone say they have developed the infrastructure to produce and enrich uranium above 20% used in most medical research reactors?”

        Yes, TML, let’s indeed talk about the misinformed. The infrastructure was in place long before the IAEA inspections were stopped.

        Would you care to answer, or do you prefer the DaveH/Alinsky technique of attacking the messenger?

      • TML

        Vigilant says, “The infrastructure was in place long before the IAEA inspections were stopped.
        Would you care to answer, or do you prefer the DaveH/Alinsky technique of attacking the messenger?”

        In reference to my post in which you are responding, could you clarify what you’re talking about, and actually try making a point, regarding the infrastructure being in place long before IAEA inspection ‘stopped’?

        I clearly was attacking your argument, and not “the messenger” as you are doing.

        If you mean in general, I was very busy all weekend and this is the first I’ve had a chance to respond.

      • TML

        TML says, “if Iran isn’t cooperating with inspector access to the countries key nuclear facilities, then how can anyone say they have developed the infrastructure to produce and enrich uranium above 20% used in most medical research reactors?”

        Vigilant says, “The infrastructure was in place long before the IAEA inspections were stopped.”

        After closer consideration, I think I understand the crux of your statement, and I think the connection you failed to make is; Iran openly (voluntarily) announced their advancement in centrifuge installation, which no doubt triggered a need for inspection. And we witness this by the voluntary announcement by Iran being July 2011, and IAEA inspection underway in January of 2012.

        Inspections; if they are to stop, would have everything to do with the wrongful sanctions being pressed on Iran which effects the people of that state. Exactly how long do you expect them to take the bully picking on them before they turn around and clock the poor bastard? And I bet that’s exactly what people like you are counting on.

  • spark300c

    Iran is treat to usa. they give nukes to terorist groups and use nuke attacks on us. once they get nuke they will use it. problem is go our selves into mess once it thing rolling it hard to stop

    • BR549

      Hey there Sparky,
      You have things backward. The Iranian people have more in common with US citizens in their ideals than with Israelis, and armchair pontificators have repeatedly spewed the Kool-Aid swill given to them by that excuse for a media system we have and only made the problem worse.

      It has nothing to do with, I suppose, the fact that Iran has been the sole holdout to US hegemony in that region or, like Afghanistan, has huge oil deposits.

      • Chester

        Sorry to say, but it isn’t the CITIZENS of Iran we have to fear. The leadership is where the problems are, and too much of that is controlled, not by the elected president, but by a few bigshots in a few Islamic temples. These are the group that tells the Iranian president and congress what laws to pass and what laws will NOT be allowed. As far as needing full blown nuclear weapons to do a LOT of damage, not really, A good bit of medical or research grade uranium packed around a few pounds of HE would make a very nasty weapon that would deny access to a fair sized area for a lot longer than most of us will be alive.

      • don

        br you just can not go there we had all the oil feilds after ww2 gave them back we won all the oil fields in iraq afglanistan qwaka an we gave them back better than they were. we rebuild france gerrany japan better than they were. we have stole nothing . keep drinking the cool aid. if we stomp the [expletive deleted] out of iran it will be returned better. than it was we have stole no oil an no one has ever been made to pay us back. in whos book idoes that make us the bad guy? only yours

      • bobbyp

        According to the people in the know the USA has more oil in our ground than any country but barack hussein obama & his regulations on oil companies they can’t drill for it . That includes the EPA too.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        Iranians are Aryan ! not semitic like the arbs and jews .

  • http://n.a. mort_f

    Largest ever joint exercise. Hmmm, wonder if, or ever, there were ‘joint exercises’ before.

    Israel is not a NATO partner, were they ‘invited guests’ to NATO exercises? True that the US Sixth Fleet often visits Haifa as a port of call, and our sailors do appreciate it as a ‘Liberty port’.

    The US does have radar facility in the Negev desert. But it is restricted from Israelis. True that we do commit to provide information about incoming missile attacks. How ‘committed’ are we?

    The US has agreed to sell F-35s to Israel, when they are produced. Note the future tense. But with the restriction that Israel will be denied maintenance data for them, maintenance will be performed by Italy.

    The USA has embargoed Apache helicopter spare parts to Israel. But at least one squadron of new ones have been supplied to Egypt.

    Millions given to Israel to aid in development of their Iron Dome anti-missile system. One guess about how much of its technology has been returned to the USA.

    Remember that video in Iraq 1, of Iraqi soldiers surrendering to a UAV, a drone? That drone was designed, developed and produced by Israel, the leader for many years in drone technology.

    There is much synergy as a result of US/Israeli cooperation, but often with strings attached by the US.

    What is the capital of Israel? Ask the US State Department. For Israelis it has not changed in 5000 years.

  • Vigilant

    “America’s empire surrounds Iran. Romney thinks Syria is Iran’s path to the sea. His understanding of liberty is as sound as his knowledge of geography.”

    Mr. Livingston, I suggest you take look at the map. I’d hardly call Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Armenia part of “America’s empire.” Nor even Iraq, which will ultimately end up in the hands of Iran if present trends are allowed to continue. It’s supremely naive to imagine that current alliances with Pakistan and Aghanistan would ever result in their support for an action to take out Iran’s nuclear capability. Those two countries are already in cahoots with Al Qaeda operatives, knowing on which side their bread is buttered when we pull out.

    I speculate that your understanding of the dire threat posed by Iran may be as limited as your “knowledge of geography.”

    The Saudis are already putting out feelers to Pakistan to obtain a nuclear weapons capability, so fearful are they about Iran gaining an upper hand in the M.E. Perhaps you would advocate arming all the M.E. countries and letting them destroy themselves and the world along with it.

    • TML

      Vigilant says, “I’d hardly call Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Armenia part of “America’s empire.”

      I think it’s obvious that Mr. Livingston is referring to the American Military bases clearly outlined in the map, and not the countries in which they reside.

      Vigilant says, “Iraq, which will ultimately end up in the hands of Iran if present trends are allowed to continue.”

      And what ‘trends’ would that be, Vigilant? Do you have some evidence to back up such speculation?

      Vigilant says, “It’s supremely naive to imagine that current alliances with Pakistan and Aghanistan would ever result in their support for an action to take out Iran’s nuclear capability.”

      It’s supremely naïve to imagine that current “alliances” (if you could rightfully call it that), or Pakistan and Afghanistan ‘support’ would even matter or sway the American Empire from engaging in such a dubious task.

      Vigilant says, “I speculate that your understanding of the dire threat posed by Iran may be as limited as your “knowledge of geography.”

      Would might say the same about you to think Iran poses a “dire threat”. After all, your assessment of the situation is influenced by fear alone, and not logic or reason.

      Vigilant says, “The Saudis are already putting out feelers to Pakistan to obtain a nuclear weapons capability, so fearful are they about Iran gaining an upper hand in the M.E.”

      They already have the upper hand… they have been a leader in that part of the world for 2500 years, and one of the only countries in that region not occupied, or made puppets by the United States Empire. Most of the neighboring countries (those who provided opposition to Iran in the region, such as Iraq) have been toppled. And if we consider that Iran has no history under their current government of being an aggressor, or invading or attacking other countries… we can conclude that the puppet state of Saudi’s are more warmongering than Iran. Iran has openly said they are not interested in obtaining Nuclear weapons, while giving a compelling reason; and cooperating with IAEA inspections.

      Your entire position is based on fear, Vigilant

      • Vigilant

        “And if we consider that Iran has no history under their current government of being an aggressor, or invading or attacking other countries… ”

        And you accuse ME of using no logic or facts? That statement is so naive as to be ridiculous. Iran’s recent history is more than eloquent testimony to its meddling in the world’s affairs even far outside its borders. I suppose you’ve never heard of Hezbollah? Islamic Jihad? Hamas? All of them are in league with Iran.

        Iran is and has been a WELL KNOWN exporter and funder of terrorist acts throughout the world. See http://www.worldthreats.com/?cat=17 if you have any doubts about that.

        And then, unbelievably, “we can conclude that the puppet state of Saudi’s [sic] are [sic] more warmongering than Iran.” Now that’s a laugh! Their aspirations are to DEFEND their Sunni country from the Shiite radicalism of the Iranians. And not just Saudi Arabia. Another WELL KNOWN “secret” is the plethora of “moderate” Islamic countries on the M.E. that perceive Irani’s hegemonic aims as a direct threat to their existence. They, like Saudi Arabia, are VERY concerned about Iran developing a nuclear weapons capability.

        “Iran has openly said they are not interested in obtaining Nuclear weapons, while giving a compelling reason; and cooperating with IAEA inspections.”

        So said North Korea relative to nuclear intentions, so said Adolph Hitler at Munich regarding further claims.

        TML, you seem to have made it your petty and vengeful mission to take virtually every sentence I write and attempt (unsuccessfully) to take exception to it. All this merely because I bested you in argument in the past.

        Drop your obssession, son; it only makes you look bad.

      • DaveH

        Vigilant says — “TML, you seem to have made it your petty and vengeful mission to take virtually every sentence I write and attempt (unsuccessfully) to take exception to it. All this merely because I bested you in argument in the past.
        Drop your obssession, son; it only makes you look bad”.

        Typical manipulative tricks used by Vigilant when his back is against the wall.

      • Vigilant

        DaveH has an obssession with the word “manipulative.” It’s a key word in the Alinsky lexicon.

        Interesting that he accuses me of ad hominems and then proceeds to effect the same. You’re taking the very low road of making statements that don’t address the factual nature of my assertions, but work overtime on pure insults. No problem, I’ve become accustomed to your “manipulative tricks.”

        That, sir, is the sign of intellectual poverty.

      • DaveH

        Typical Vigilant comment.

      • Vigilant

        And typically correct, as always.

      • TML

        TML says “And if we consider that Iran has no history under their current government of being an aggressor, or invading or attacking other countries… ”

        Vigilant says, “That statement is so naive as to be ridiculous.”

        Not at all… it’s TRUE. One need only reference history to see that.

        Vigilant says, “Iran’s recent history is more than eloquent testimony to its meddling in the world’s affairs even far outside its borders. I suppose you’ve never heard of Hezbollah? Islamic Jihad? Hamas? All of them are in league with Iran.”

        Hezbollah was formed in direct response to the illegal invasion of Lebanon. Israel was the terrorists.
        Hamas was formed in response to Israel’s illegal encroachment of Palestinian lands that continues to this day, and are a Sunni group – unlikely that Iran (Shi’a) would support them.
        Islamic Jihad is more of a resistence movement throughout the Muslim nations. But ‘the’ group is the same as Hezbollah known for its activities in the 1980s during the Lebanese Civil War (Israeli invasion) – so that’s rather redundant.

        Vigilant says, “Iran is and has been a WELL KNOWN exporter and funder of terrorist acts throughout the world. See http://www.worldthreats.com/?cat=17 if you have any doubts about that.”

        No doubt, but that doesn’t invalidate my statement that Iran has not itself aggressed against another country in its entire history of the current government. Its only war was against the illegal invasion by Iraq – to which we helped fund Iraq.

        I have no doubt they have funded what to them would be patriots (“terrorists” to you). And I have no doubt that we have funded the truly morally incomprehensible positions as I just pointed out with Iraq – which came back to bite us in the cheeks didn’t it? No, the true terrorists are those like you which support interventions and warring with the entire Middle East merely out of fear and misguided religious beliefs.

        Vigilant says, “Now that’s a laugh! Their aspirations are to DEFEND their Sunni country from the Shiite radicalism of the Iranians.”

        So now you argue that Sunni Muslims are our friends? Not THAT is a laugh. Look at your statement and apply that also to Iran. It works both ways.

        Vigilant says, “So said North Korea relative to nuclear intentions, so said Adolph Hitler at Munich regarding further claims.”

        Interestingly, North Korea withdrew from the NPT when they decided they really wanted nuclear weapons. Iran can do the same if they wanted them, as they have the right to do… the same as Israel is not part of the treaty. Oh, but you ‘trust’ Israel right? Laughable.

      • TML

        Vigilant says, “TML, you seem to have made it your petty and vengeful mission to take virtually every sentence I write and attempt (unsuccessfully) to take exception to it.”

        Not at all… I’ve done the same for many commenters here. Interesting statement coming from someone who just responded to every single comment I’ve made here, even when my comment wasn’t directed at you.

        Vigilant says, “All this merely because I bested you in argument in the past”

        In your dreams

      • Vigilant

        “No, the true terrorists are those like you which support interventions and warring with the entire Middle East merely out of fear and misguided religious beliefs.”

        My, my, how you revel in putting words in peoples’ mouths, sonny!

        My arguments have revolved around the Iranian fomentation of trouble in the world, their secrecy and deception regarding their nuclear ambitions, and the bellicose statements that invariably accompany those

        NO Muslim nation in the area trusts Iran. NO Muslim nation in the area has reason to fear Israel except Iran. NO Muslim nation with peaceful intent has ever had to fear Israel. THEY know it, but that fact has eluded you in your blind hatred of Israel. And that, for sure, is the key to your now disclosed philosophy. You should have tipped your hand sooner.

        I “support interventions and warring with the entire Middle East?” From whence do you deduce that? When and where on this panel have you EVER seen me support interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt or Syria? Look as hard as you wish, you’ll come up empty-handed. I know that may be confusing to someone like yourself who sees everything in the M.E. through some skewed and myopic prism as an outgrowth of imagined Israeli aggression.

        “…merely out of fear and misguided religious beliefs?” As with Israel, I have no fear of any nation with peaceful intentions, nor have I any reason to.

        As for fear, you bet your sweet backside that’s part of it. Only the Pollyanna optimist would turn his/her back on the dangers inherent in nuclear proliferation, especially amongst nations with fanatics in charge. If all men were angels, there would be no need of fear and no need for politics or even governments.

        You haven’t a clue as to my religious beliefs, liar, so don’t say you do. I am neither Christian nor Jew.

      • TML

        Yes, you have told me before that you are not Christian, remember? But I find that interesting coming from someone who would think I hate Israel merely because I dare point out some facts about them. I have no hatred toward Israel, but you are clueless and blind to think Israeli aggression is imagined. I just showed how the two instances in which the so called terrorist organizations you gave were formed in direct response to such aggression, and this is not a thing of the past as they continue encroachment of Palestinian lands. Yet you say, “No Muslim nation with in the area has reason to fear Israel” and “No Muslim nation with peaceful intent has ever had to fear Israel” – and this is clearly untrue.

        My arguments have revolved around dispelling those ideas of ‘Iranian fomentation of trouble in the world’ and that preparation for assault on the country is unwarranted, while showing that Israel (those leading the charge at Iran) is more secretive, more deceptive regarding nuclear ambitions, and makes the same kind of statements. Don’t tell me that Israel has peaceful intentions when they kill a young American girl under a bulldozer because they were literally pushing Palestinians off their rightful land. But you go ahead and blindly trust Israel if you want.

        On the other hand I have pointed out that Iran has no history of aggressing, invading, or attacking another country to which the best response you come up with is “how naïve”.

        Vigilant says, “I “support interventions and warring with the entire Middle East?” From whence do you deduce that? When and where on this panel have you EVER seen me support interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt or Syria? Look as hard as you wish, you’ll come up empty-handed.”

        Isn’t that what you are doing here and now? Didn’t you call Iran a “dire threat”? Do you not support imperialist policies such as “peace through strength”? Are you saying, right now, that you do not support preparing assault on Iran? Because it seems to me you have been trying to give reasons to support that.

        Vigilant says, “As for fear, you bet your sweet backside that’s part of it. Only the Pollyanna optimist would turn his/her back on the dangers inherent in nuclear proliferation, especially amongst nations with fanatics in charge.”

        With all the links I have provided, and steered the conversation to such international agreements; do you really think I have turned my back on the dangers inherent in nuclear proliferation? International agreements are paramount in addressing the dangers of nuclear proliferation, yet, you dismiss any conformance to such treaty by Iran with nothing but speculation, based on fear alone, to say condescendingly that, “no country has ever broke its treaty”. All this while claiming I hate Israel merely because I point out that they are 1 of only 4 countries not party to the treaty? Your argument amounts only to pessimism.

  • http://loboviejo.wordpress.com loboviejo

    Iran will have a nuclear device when China decides it is in the Mandarin interest for Iran to do so. North Korea and Pakistan have nuclear capabilities because it is in China’s interest–India has a nuclear capability because it was in the Soviet Union’s interest. When Iran obtains the device, the President will call the President of the United States and say, “Hi, we’re in the club. Let’s talk.”

    • TML

      The interesting thing to me about your comment is that Pakistan, India, and North Korea are 3 of only 4 countries in the entire world who are not part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran is voluntarily part of the treaty which agrees not to develop nuclear weapons and agrees to IAEA inspection (which includes announcements of advances in nuclear capabilities for reactors – as they have been doing). Guess who the 4th country not part of the NTP? And they are the most clandestine about their nuclear programs and capability even to the United States. Israel

      • Vigilant

        ” Iran is voluntarily part of the treaty which agrees not to develop nuclear weapons and agrees to IAEA inspection.”

        (1) Wow, Iran’s a signatory to the NPT! I guess we just better take their word for it, eh, TML? We all know that no nation has ever broken its treaty commitments. Babe in the woods thou art.

        If you think IAEA issues are nonexistent, then you better read their latest report at http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2012/gov2012-37.pdf

        Oh, and while you’re at it, you might want to check the United Nations Security Council resolutions on Iran: 1696 (2006); 1737 (2006); 1747 (2007); 1803 (2008); 1835 (2008); and 1929 (2010).

        Open your eyes, oh blind one. That light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming right at you.

      • DaveH

        Vigilant says — “Open your eyes, oh blind one. That light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming right at you”.
        More ad hominem remarks. More manipulation.
        I believe TML makes a better (and more civil) case than you, Vigilant.

      • Vigilant

        Your comments don’t surprise me a bit. For one who can be as uncivil as the worst, for one who answers comments not directed at himself, for one who has laughably called me a liberal or one who “argues like a liberal,” for one who denies that Kate8 is the real poster because she happens to disagree with you, and for one who priggishly refuses to recognize facts when presented via original source socuments, don’t presume to school me or anyone else on the ad hominem nature of your past postings, son.

        As for civility, talk sbout the pot calling the kettle black! Physician, heal thyself.

      • DaveH

        My ad hominem attacks are reserved solely for those who draw first blood. You are typically in the latter group, Vigilant. With all your blustering about how right you are, one would think that you wouldn’t need to stoop so low as to make all the personal attacks you make. That is a sure sign that you really aren’t confident at all.

      • Vigilant

        DaveH says:
        May 16, 2011 at 4:01 pm

        “Have you ever noticed how chronic liars will try to disparage their accusors in an attempt to divert attention from their lying?”

        Yes, indeed, Dave, I have noticed that.

      • Vigilant

        DaveH says, “My ad hominem attacks are reserved solely for those who draw first blood.”

        Bad behavior excuses bad behavior, Dave? Seems to me I’ve heard that argument from you before.

      • TML

        Take their word for it? The entire point of the NPT is not about taking their word for it else there wouldn’t be the inspection requirement.

        BTW, I’ve read all of that…. I believe I am the one who gave you the link to the home page that you now give to me. It would be unrealistic to assume that I have not read and studied the documents from the links I provide.

        Babe in the woods? Blind one?
        Hardly… and shows your position, as I said, is merely speculation based on fear, and not any real evidence.

      • http://loboviejo.wordpress.com loboviejo

        Israel has had some capability since the late 70s, early 80s. Jonathan Pollard is responsible for some information and is currently incarcerated {Julius and Ethel Rosenberg had sentence of death executed). There is also some belief that the deKlerk government transferred South African devices to Israel.

  • BR549

    @bobbyp October 26, 2012 at 10:29 am
    Sure, we have umteen gazillion bbls of oil in the Williston basin, but the whole idea has been to stall using that while we exploit everyone else’s oil. Then, those in control will control the world’s oil supply. So, in the meantime, that is why we keep chasing other peoples’ oil supplies while we stuff ours under the mattress.

    No one said there was ever any fairness or common sense in this; it’s sheer greed and is what dominates our US foreign policy.

  • http://google mike b.

    Hussein Obama and his group the muslem brotherhood should be arrested for the murders of four americans in Lybia. He is the leader of this group. An american was falsely arrested while the main criminal Hussein Obama did nothing but order his brotherhood follwers to commit this act and his minions in the state-run media to not cover it.

  • Ancient Mariner

    It is still amazing to me how US media has convinced too many people, like most of those posting on here, that we somehow must be the middle east police. There is oil all over the earth from Equador to Angola to Mexico to Indonesia. That’s not to mention oil in our own backyard. There is basically nothing we need to import from anywhere else that we cannot produce right here at home. This globalism is the death knell for our society and the US as we know it. There are only multinational corp’s. who benefit from these policies and the average American only suffers. We have lost our basic industrial base, our money is being devalued and our sovereignty is at stake. You people had better wake up before our country is dictated to by Beijing, The Hague or Tel Aviv. And those entities don’t have your best interests in mind.

  • s c

    Let me get this straight. We’ll still stranded in Afghanistan (we’re still THERE, retards), and the White House Messiah wants us to get involved with an invasion of Iran? How interesting. If I didn’t know better, I’d say someone in the White House has been overdosing on testosterone (anything to compensate for estrogen, eh?).
    While most people know that Armageddon can’t be avoided – sooner or later it will happen – I find it more than ironic that a wannabe Messiah [the One, Mr. Hope and Change, Chicago's gift to criminal corruption, etc.] would be the one to be the cause of it. Oh well, I guess it just shows what utopianism is all about [unending insanity in the name of politics, power and money]. Some might call that a solid reputation. People who are sane DON’T.

  • Don

    we the people of the world need to take the world back . get rid of the elitist backed government and trun it back where it should be with the people. where we’re headed will end up with something like wwiii, the end of everything total annialation of almost all living things. nuclear weapons will destroy everything many times over. quite chilling.

  • Liberterian

    The war mongers voice is loud in our govenment, driving us toward another unnecessary, costly war, in blood and treasure which we will pay by loans from China yet we bandor over voting for Romney the neocon puppet or Obama the Washington politician. Both of them bend with the flow of appeasement and will delight at their own assumed accomplishments. We need to quit fearing the percieved threats which our decieving politicians and our blind little media robots tell us about. They promote the new world order and globalization. We need to be America, strong, soveriegn and free with Isreal’s leash and non other.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    War with Iran is an exteme and unnecessary idea with all due respect Mr. Livingston. So often we hear about the threat posed by Iran and its nuclear ambitions. For me I remember that at the end of the day self preservation is the most important thing and that goes for all nations including Iran. Now do not get me wrong. If Iran was able to launch a nuclear attack against us it would a national tragedy, the worst in our nations history. My guess is hundreds of thousands if not millions would either be killed or put in harms way. However after ward we would destate the one responsible. Afghanistan and to a certain extent Iraq were the result of 9/11. That was an attack in which 3,000 innocent lives were ended. We invaded and conquered two countries as a result of that attack. We went after and ultimately killed Osama Bin Laden and we also went after Saddam Hussein even though he had nothing to do with 9/11. Now imagine an attack 1000 times worse then 9/11. We would pull out every resource and destroy the ones responsible. And just as immediately after 9/11 America had the support and sympathy of the world so we would in the wake of a nuclear attack. So if Iran ever attacked us with a nuclear bomb it would mean that every resource we have, and we have a lot of them, would be dedicated to destroying Iran. And it would not be just us but the entire world coming after Iran as well, or at least the entire United Nations. Under no circumstances does that scenario lead to survival for Iran or its leaders and Iran and its leaders know that. So as I said. Irans leaders may despise our country self preservation trumps personal hatred. As Teddy Roosevelt said “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.” People have criticised President Obama for appearing to be weak by supposedly “apologizing” for American mistakes. Well whatever you believe about such things the facts reamin these. However soft the president is speaking our big stick remains as big as ever and is always at hand. And however Irans leaders perceive the President or our country they see the big stick and know what will happen if they try anything stupid. So for me it is up to us to decide what to do. We are in control of whether we go to war with Iran or not. We have bigger things to worry about and getting involved in yet another war will only distract us and drain our already stretched resources.

    • DaveH

      Jeremy (aka Flashman) says — “War with Iran is an exteme and unnecessary idea with all due respect Mr. Livingston”.
      Now why would you say that, Flashman, when you know all too well that Bob doesn’t advocate messing in other countries’ business?
      Are you trying to mislead the readers?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        First Dave I am Jeremy not flashman. Second, if Mr. Livingston “doesn’t advocate messing in other countries’ business?” why would he say things like “in preparation for the coming assault on Iran” or “There will be an attack on Iran” or most interestingly “war with Iran is inevitable”. Perhaps instead of bemoaning the supposed inevitability of war with Iran perhaps Mr. Livingston could point out the absurdidity of believing Iran is a threat to our nation and perhaps undertsand that President Obama has no intention of going to war with them. Since Mr. Livingston appears instead to be saying f it its going to happen anyway I believe he might as well be supporting war.

      • DaveH

        Nice Double-Speak, Flashman.
        Fortunately, Bob’s article is right there for anybody to read, and he says nothing in it to lead people to believe that he supports war against Iran.
        And if there is any doubt how Bob thinks about Iran, here is more proof:
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/02/27/on-iran-government-and-doublethink/

      • DaveH

        And Jeremy, you can deny being Flashman all you want, but here is the evidence:
        http://personalliberty.com/2011/05/16/what-now/#comment-341969

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Dave if Mr. Livingston opposes war he should do some thing to stop it instead of just throwing up his hands and giving up. Its not double speak its reality. Mr. Livingston is speaking against war with Iran. But at the same time he is bemoaning how nothing can be done to stop it. Basically he is saying I do not want this but I am going to just give up and let it happen. He sees it happening and does nothing to stop it. He may not be cheering it on but he might as well.

        With all due respect Dave someone else saying I am flashman does not make me flashman. A large number of people can say the sky is green but that does not make it so. The sky is blue and I am not flashman or anyone other than Jeremy Leochner.

      • DaveH

        The sign of a chronic liar. You catch them red-handed and they still try to lie their way out of it.
        You, Flashman, are a chronic liar.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Yes. If some one calls someone a liar they are automatically a liar. And if they attempt to point out that they are not a liar that is yet more evidence that they are a liar. Mr. Livingston says I am flashman and instantly that makes me flashman. With respect Dave if Mr. Livingston said you were flashman would that make you flashman. If I Dave were to start accusing you of pretending to be some one else would you not point out I am wrong. I am not a liar. I am Jeremy Leochner. No amount of repeating can change realty. I never came on this site as flashman or anyone other than Jeremy Leochner. You and others came up with that story because apparently my views are so extreme you would rather denounce me as a liar then debate me.

  • nickkin

    Let’s hope that the obozo admin. and it’s sleeping puppets are not in command to make a decision on whether to engage or not……next time they should all be on sight with zingers flying over their gordes…..should we send in delta or not????? NOT !

  • Bimbam

    Warning to the American People.

    IS OBAMA A PYCHOPATHIC JUDAS?

    It is obvious that oBama hates America. These people in Benghazi saw the danger they were in and despite repeated request for assistance they were denied. They were all slaugtered with reports the ambassador himself may have been sodomized, just like the way Khadafy died.

    After Bin Laden was killed 26 Navy Seals died in mysterious circumstances. Radical Islamist have been seeing going in and out of the White House. A price to pay for killing a man he admired?

    What does he do next? Party, appear on talk show after talk show grinning ear to ear. He seems to have a penchent for killing our top soldiers, Navy Seals!
    He was caught in with an open mike telling a top Putin aid he will be more “flexible” when he is elected when it comes to our nuclear arsenal. What the heck does that mean?

    He has appointed communist after communist and radicals who then appoint unvetted Muslims as aids.

    Why am I telling you this? Because after Benghazi, what’s next? Your town, your city, your state being the next target of a nuclear or biological terrorist strike? Courtesy of oBama and his radical Muslims seen going in and out of the White House, with who knows with what under their arms or a wink from oBama?

    And with that Alfred E Neumann grin ear to ear? Can you trust what his explanation will be? Do you see what is going on? Do you see the setup that Ambassor Stevens failed to see? Do you see the setup the 26 Navy SEALS failed to see?

    Will you be the next sheep to be slaughtered by this psychopath and his psychopants to bring America down? A dream many tyrants have held for years.

    Do you see why he grins ear to ear everytime something like this happens?

  • Larry

    It’s time for the templer to make a come back

  • tALLDARKANDHASOME

    Vote ROMNEY/RAYN2012!!!

  • http://MSN Ken KG

    kalico

  • http://MSN Ken KG

    Kalico I think to attack Iran is like squeezing a pimple on Putons face. I will hurt and the reaction
    will be his desire to punch USA ,Europe and Israel in the face.

  • Jimbo

    In 1976 while I was in US Air Force basic training at Lackland AFB, Iranian troops were being trained at the same time on the other side of the base. We obviously were friends then. Why can’t we be friends now? I’ve never heard the Iranians threaten Israel. Sure, their leader said Israel shouldn’t have existed. But that is not a threat, just an opinion. In contrast, Israel regularly threatens to attack Iran, and is actively murdering their scientists. George W. Bush threatened to nuke Baghdad, if they used chemical weapons to defend themselves from our attack. Hillary Clinton threatened to nuke Shiite Tehran, over the unproven allegation they were fueling the Sunni insurgency in Iraq. (Shiites hate Sunnis and vice versa.) All this war mongering is very disturbing. The American people are tired of elective wars. Israel can take care of itself.

  • Big Woody

    Bush I fought the first Iraqi war the same way the Isrealis fight. “Shock and Awe”. If there is a military confrontation with Iran, do not look for an occupation like Iraq and Afganistan. Isreal will attack and wipe out all visable Iranian military forces in the first volley. With the air supieority of Isreal, they will keep the Iranian ground troops from regrouping if they try. The Arrow (Hetz) anti missle system will make the Iranian missle attacks virtually inefective. Iran’s military willl look like Iraq’s did when retreating from Kuwait. Isreal hits hard and then goes home with the hope it’s enemies have a lesson well learned.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      When their Deplomicy fails! Israil Rules the entire area… the battle thearters are viewed from the grandstands. WE MUST BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT “OUR” DEFENSE!

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