Preparing For Civil War

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Dear Mr. Livingston,

First off, I really enjoy reading your newsletters. Even though the news is really depressing at times. But you need to do some research, planning, and an article on civilians preparing and planning for another civil war.

We as people, and as a society are not prepared for war we have no leaders, no organization, no planning, no targets of opportunity, and only small arms, (no tanks, helicopters, airplanes, jets, etc. etc. etc.) we are out gunned I guess you could say.

But if it comes to war pick up the enemy’s weapons and ammunition, capture the enemy’s weapons, capture anything you can use against them. Anything and everything that can be used. Maybe Scientific Researchers can develop radio frequency jammers for the drones.

Maybe someone with knowledge could start making grenades or explosives to be used. Only one or two people can’t do much. We need groups and knowledge to work with. We need Tactics and planning skills. Basically we need it all.

But the main thing is Organization, every state needs leaders, and militia groups connected to each other to work together. Remember the old saying “Together we Stand, Divided we Fall” We would have to work in large and small Units together, to have any chance of winning a war.

Veterans are a great benefit and knowledge base, as well as anyone trained in weapons of any kind. There is alot to consider Organizing Milita Units and Leaders. Strategy, weapons, ammunition, food, medical supplies, safe shelter’s.  Question : Will our own soldiers fire on Americans?

Will any soldiers quit the military and join the civilians and fight with us? They are Americans too. This is all definitely need to know information.

We need a prison to place prisoners in; those prisons currently being closed could be a possibility.

I am a Patriot, I am a U.S.M.C. Veteran, I Love My Country & Our Flag, I believe in God, I believe in Freedom, I believe in Truth and Justice, I believe in our Forefathers and our American Heritage, I believe in Our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and I believe in, and Love My Family and My Fellow Man. For these things I will fight and if need be give my life. But I will do my part to preserve our Great Nation.

Sincerely,

Mike K.

Dear Mike K.,

American soldiers have in the past fired on Americans, and it will doubtless happen again one day. However, my military sources tell me the vast majority of U.S. military — and most local police — will side with the people rather than the regime if they are ordered to move against Americans, despite credible rumors that the President is vetting his top officers on the basis of whether they will fire on Americans if ordered. I hope and pray it never comes to that.

Best wishes,

Bob

Bob Livingston

founder of Personal Liberty Digest™, is an ultra-conservative American author and editor of The Bob Livingston Letter™, in circulation since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    You say, “American soldiers have in the past fired on Americans”? As at Kent State, where some college kids were exercising their First Amendment rights?

    You also mention “credible rumors that the President is vetting his top
    officers on the basis of whether they will fire on Americans if
    ordered”. I really like the idea of “credible rumors”, even if it sound a bit oxymoronic. Can you share some of the details of these “credible rumors” with us and tell us why they are so “credible” that you would use them? Or are we just doing some Monday morning fear mongering here?

    • Jimmy the Greek

      They fired on WW-1 vets in DC !

      • Doc Sarvis

        Uh yes. And what year was that?

        • Jimmy the Greek

          1932 Herbert Hover had gen Douglas MacArthur bring in six tanks and ended up killing 2 kids and wounding around 100 people , Google Bonus Army Incident . ,

          • trp878

            It’s easy to just cut & past to reply to these lib KOOL

            AID drinkers, none have studied history as History, but have listened to lib professors spew false info. Let them dig up the info they, they won’t believe it any how.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Yes, and on assorted strikers, especially in the coal fields. More folks who were asserting their rights to speak out and organize. All beside the point.

        I am still waiting with some of that “baited” breath for the truth about those “credible rumors”. Bob?

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Right Brain Thinker,

      You write: “‘ American soldiers have in the past fired on Americans’? As at Kent State, where some college kids were exercising their First Amendment rights.” July 18, 1861 (if Virginia’s secession was unlawful and Confederate troops were simply a rebellious mob, as Lincoln maintained), July 28, 1932, Aug. 13, 1965, May 4, 1970, April 19, 1993

      You write: “Can you share some of the details of these “credible rumors” with us…” http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-asking-military-leaders-to-fire-on-americans-says-nobel-prize-nominee
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-to-top-brass-will-you-fire-on-american-citizens/

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • trp878

        Don’t buy into the college kids bit at Kent State. I was there, I went to school there & I was in the middle of it. There were a lot of facts classified there & some are just starting to be released by
        Feds. So again the Kool Aid has been consumed.

        • Right Brain Thinker

          So you are saying that the extensive investigation that occurred right after the event did NOT show that some national guardsmen fired on some students and killed and wounded some of them?

          What “middle” were you in? Were you on the “fields of fire” at the time the shooting occurred? Did you hear rounds snapping by overhead? (it’s an unforgettable sound). Tell us about it. (And about whatever Kool Aid you see being consumed today).

      • Right Brain Thinker

        trp878 and Bob Livingston need to read more carefully before they see what they want to see in my comments and make foolish responses.

        I was saying YES, that American troops HAVE fired on Americans, as at Kent State and in various strikes (particularly in the coal fields, where a virtual war was fought). The Civil War is self-evident, since everyone involved was an American. Don’t recall if there was much actual gunplay in the suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion, but if there was, the Father of Our Country ordered it since he was the field commander. Again, all irrelevant to the question at hand—–the “credible rumors”.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Right Brain Thinker,

          You write: “trp878 and Bob Livingston need to read more carefully before they see
          what they want to see in my comments and make foolish responses” And you need to read and examine my response in its entirety before making “foolish” remarks implying I did not answer your question. If you will check the dates, they have nothing to do with “coal strikes” and the like. You claim to have been educator, I would think an educator would be aware of these instances.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Right Brain Thinker

            To address the oxymoronic “credible rumors” directly, I must say that I am surprised at you, Bob. You are providing “details” that I think even Wayne and Ben would be embarrassed to lay on us.

            The first link is to an article posted by a COLLEGE KID in Missouri on an obscure website, who cites a FACEBOOK comment by a 2009 Nobel Peace Prize NOMINEE who says he was “informed” by some unnamed “former senior military LEADER” that O’Bama was….. (list of the usual tricks the loony right wing is always making up and saying O’Bama is doing).

            This COLLEGE KID then says “IF this is true, it would SEEM to affirm….” (followed by a whole list of loony right wing made up horsepucky about O’Bama). The kid himself rebels at outright lying to us, but you then call it “credible”?

            LORD LOVE A DUCK, BOB! (Pardon my shouting, but that is one of the biggest “my neighbor’s plumber’s son -in-law overheard two guys talking in a bar and they said….” stories I have ever heard). Why would you personally post such horsepucky when you pay Wayne and Ben to do it for you and suffer the consequences?

            And you follow it with a second citation, this one to the World Journalism Center website. No actual article but a video clip of an interview with the same Nobel Prize NOMINEE from the first citation (A Dr. Garrow), in which he repeats the horsepucky and refuses to identify the “senior military leader”. We all know that the World Journalism Center is a disreputable right wing site founded and funded by Joseph Farah and is associated with WND, another right wing horsepucky site.

            Sorry, Bob, but you should have called them “incredible lies” and “right wing nut smears” rather than “credible rumors”.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Bob, I will repeat that you need to read my comments more carefully before you make foolish responses—you have done it AGAIN. It WAS foolish to be throwing irrelevant dates out there to try to prove something that didn’t need proving—-Americans have fired on Americans and I knew it and didn’t dispute it.

            Now here you are still speaking of irrelevancies and trying to avoid the real issue—-the question of CREDIBLE RUMORS. I addressed your “answer” to my question in a separate comment and perhaps that threw you off, but I am not interested in playing an irrelevant “dates” game when we have the much more interesting “credible rumors” thing to look at. Can you hold the “educator” insults and focus on that? The totally inadequate “citations” that are NOT credible?

            PS I DID reply to your comment that ended with the two citations, but it seems to have disappeared (?????). Where has it gone?

            .

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Right Brain Thinker,

            Your comments are non-responsive and fallacious. The dates are far from irrelevant to those who were fired on by U.S. troops.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Right Brain Thinker

            OK, Bob—you win. The dates ARE ever so significant and the question of “credible rumors” is not (even though the dates are just historical footnotes and “credible rumors” are a HUGE “fart in church”). I was merely trying to help you uphold the high standards of discourse that are evident on PLD by pointing out a little “stinkiness”.

    • trp878

      Your wrong old fellow. Troops have fired on Americans. I won’t do the work for u, u do it yourself, this way it’s easier for you to keep you head in the sand and people will believe you when you don’t know any better.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I don’t know what your problem is trp878—-either you read poorly or your confirmation bias is so strong that you refuse to accept what is right in front of your eyes. Repeat after me—-I will say yet again that “We both agree that Americans have fired on Americans”—-how many times do I have to say that?

        You’re the one with your head in the sand if you think you can spout horsepucky and get away with it—-you ran your mouth about “being there” and “knowing the truth”, so it’s up to YOU to put up or shut up. I’ll say again, tell us about it—-if you don’t, it will appear that you have NO first hand knowledge of what happened that day and where the ‘truth” can be found. What is the Kool Aid you speak of?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Geheimish-Verbotten/100003536054406 Geheimish Verbotten

      To Right Brain Thinker: Here is the link that you are looking for http://www.torn-republic.com/2013/01/new-obama-litmus-test-for-military.html

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Achtung, Herr “No Secrets”! (If I remember my German—that’s close enough)

        Here are some thoughts for you that are NOT secrets. First, I am not surprised in the slightest that you are citing another wing nut web site that does nothing but repeat the same info the college kid in Missouri was honest enough to say might NOT be true is no surprise.

        It’s the way the circular firing squad sites of the right wing lunatic fringe operate. Make up a bunch of horsepucky and just keep passing it around and repeating it until the mindless readers finally say “I’ve seen it so many times it MUST be true”. Then guys like you and (I’m sorry to say in this case) Bob Livingston pass it on as if it were true rather than recognize it for the lie it is.

        Torn Republic? LOL Yeah, another site on which you can find “credible rumors” AKA horsepucky. DOUBLE LOL They even repost some of ALEX JONES stuff on that site, and they don’t get much more wingnutty than Alex. I look at sites like that when I want to see mindlessness, lies, disinformation, parroting of the same old crap, and ignorance—-Torn Republic didn’t disappoint me—-I don’t think it said one new thing beyond Bob’s original citation (except for maybe a few new lies or twists on the old ones).

        Wahrheit vor allem! (or Uber alles, if you prefer)

  • http://www.facebook.com/stephen.rhinehart2 Stephen Rhinehart

    I tried to get a group together last week, just a frendly in
    formal get together in a park to discuse these issues, but I was the only one to show up.
    Will try again with better advetising

    • Doc Sarvis

      You’ll probably need better information because what is presented above just doesn’t hold up to rational analysis (credible rumors – ha).

  • Doc Sarvis

    “…my military sources…” and “…credible rumors…”
    What a load of …
    This is just more building hysteria on baseless claims.
    Load the fear and shoot anything that moves.

  • Doc Sarvis

    “…my military sources…” and “…credible rumors…”
    What a load of …
    This is just more building hysteria on baseless claims.
    Load the fear and shoot anything that moves.

  • flipped54

    The only people who are prone to start a civil war are those with extreme views that do not benefit the majority of Americans. They are apt to have conclusions that have little to no merit and most of the time are not true. They have a hawkish attitude and have little ability to reason or compromise and are a very small segment of the population. The majority of common sense Americans want peace and security from extremism.

    • Barry Blough

      “The only people who are prone to start a civil war…” The current administration fits your description to a tee.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Actually, Barry, flipped54 was talking about YOU and your reply to him proves it.

        “They have conclusions that have little to no merit and most
        of the time are not true. They have little
        ability to reason or compromise” all fits YOU to a tee.

        Why do you and many like you so mindlessly parrot the horsepucky that you have been fed about the “current administration”?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dick-Grace/100003240956908 Dick Grace

          We believe it because it is true. Hussein wants to ban guns, bankrupt the country, spend more than we can possibly make. We are in debt much beyond our means. It doesn’t help to be “right brain thinker” when your head is stuck in the mud. Out of control national debt, foreign aid to countries that hate our guts but we eliminate white house tours but still fund the UN. It is Marxists like you who are the minority. Your “ability to reason” begins with the absurd assumption that our Constitution rights are open for discussion. You are the folks the founders warned us about.

          • Doc Sarvis

            President Obama is working to reverse the trend, see bluevirginia.com which posted these facts:

            10/1/2001—the deficit at the start of Bush’s first budget was $5.8 trillion.

            9/30/2009—the deficit at the end of Bush’s last budget was $11.9 trillion.

            Bush’s contribution to the national debt was $6.1 trillion.

            10/1/2009—the deficit at the start of Obama’s first budget was $11.9 trillion.

            9/30/2011—the deficit at the end of Obama’s subsequent budget was $14.8 trillion.

            Obama’s contribution to the national debt as of 9/30/2011 was $2.9 trillion.

            As percentages of the $14.8 trillion debt on September 30, 2011, Bush II’s budgets constituted 41.2% whereas Obama constituted 19.6%.

            Read more: http://www.bluenc.com/calculating-responsibility-national-debt#ixzz2Psk25dYq

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004022148466 Stacey Miller

            [personal attack has been removed]

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Holy crap!!! and dumbass!!!, he says. Obviously another intellectual giant checking in with some nonsense.

            Actually, Doc seems to be someone who respects truth and rational thinking. Unlike you, as you mindlessly imply that our government is NOT taking care of us. And TREASON? What idiot site have you been reading that has CONVINCED you that is true? And “at lest 5 counts”? Tell us all about it, please.

            You sir, need to up your game.

          • independent thinker

            You sir are comparing fresh horse apples to ripe peaches. You say Bush increased the debt by 6.1 trillion in EIGHT years then you say obama increased the debt by 2.9 trillion in TWO years. So, if we accept your numbers as accurate obama took two years to increase the debt half as much as Bush did in eight years. At that rate at the end of obamas 8 years he will have increased the debt TWICE as much as Bush did.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Uhhh, Dickie—-Hussein is dead—-he was executed years ago after they found him hiding in that hole.

            And look! Dickie has gotten SEVEN of those little up arrows from his mindless parrot buddies. Will they now give me seven down arrows because they are also mindless sheep?

            “WE” believe it NOT because it’s true, but because we WANT to believe it, WILL believe it in spite of all evidence that it’s not true, and will REFUSE to engage in any rational thought or discussion. “WE” are motivated reasoners and suffer from confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance—-that’s why “WE” are mindless parrots and sheep.

          • mnkysnkle

            RBT: Do you know the name of our potus? Before Saddam was captured, he stated that those bearing the name Hussein claimed direct descendancy and fealty to Muhammad, as he did. Could that be why B.O. tried to hide his middle name? Search B.O. and his statement about Zakat. Maybe it will help stop the short circuiting that’s happening on your right side.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Perhaps you haven’t heard the news, but the POTUS is named Barry H. O’Bama, and the “H” stands for nothing.

          • mnkysnkle

            And he’s Irish too? WOW!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/walter.jenisch Walter Jenisch

            well said!

          • GALT

            You have rights in the Constitution?

            The “founders” gave warnings?

            What about the warnings of the “anti-founders”?

        • Jimmy the Greek

          Could it be that Barry Blough wants to live as a free man .

        • Michael

          your crazy

          • Right Brain Thinker

            My crazy? Your illiterate!

        • Barry Blough

          I stand by my comment on the administration’s actions. I’m not sure what that is “proving” though.

          • Dave

            Sure you do… you have nothing to back your “thesis” up but what does that matter? Its Obama and you are a conservative. Its Just what you do… Bush Sr inventing Saddam as the new boogeyman is no big deal to people like you… Bush Jr using 9-11 as a political tool to invade and occupy Iraq so China gets the oil contracts and the price of oil keeps on rising… Means nothing…
            But Obama, with… wait what has Obama done again over a filibustering US Senate and a GOP dominated House of Representatives again?
            Oh yes, thats right… Nothing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/vic.dorais Vic Dorais

        Obama want’s a new world order. He wants to be the leader of the new world order. What does that tell you folks? Our Constitution is NOT up for debate. All Americans need to prepare to defend our Constitutional rights if we are to remain a free people. Obama is trying to do what Hitler did, the difference is we WILL not give up our freedom. We WILL defend it..

        • Jimmy the Greek

          You should not ever put the name of Hitler on the same page a the name obama , Hitler only wanted what was good for his country and people at that time , you can not say the same of obama ,

        • Dave

          The only President that talked and did anything about a “new world order” was conservative George H W Bush in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s. Vic and Jimmy, your talk comparing Obama and Hitler is embarrassing for you both but to make outlandish comparisons based on nothing is a hallmark of conservative discourse.
          Such misplaced anger… seek help.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Bush and his daddy were liberals

          • Dave

            Wrong, they were conservatives… do conservatives take responsiblity for anything? No….

    • Jimmy the Greek

      If you give up you rights for peace and security , you well become a slave !

      • GALT

        What rights do you have? Which rights have you lost?

        • Jimmy the Greek

          The right to buy a full auto firearms with out having to get permission from the fed’s , that was done in 1930s , We cant even drive down the interstste with out some storm trooper stoping you searching your car , and I can go on for ever listing the rights that we lost .

          • GALT

            Yes, I imagine you could go on forever……unfortunately,
            you neglected to answer the first question……what rights do
            you have?

            Or should the question be, what rights do you imagine you have?

            Because you will need a source for those rights you imagine
            you have…….and it doesn’t exist.

          • Dave

            The conservative mind needs something to be angry about when their side is out of power.
            Its a mental condition. Other symptoms include selective amnesia. A severe coloring of history that comports with their view on the world.
            Sad really.

          • GALT

            Don’t be so pessimistic……try to think of it as being “tragically

            hilarious”…….or “evolutionarily ironic”…….it’s less stressful.

          • Dave

            I know but its difficult to take these people seriously when in the states where conservatives rule, they want to do away with the 17th Amendment and in TN they want to have the legislature “appoint” the candidates they want to see run. But we are supposed to believe them that they care about freedom. The conservative movement is all about taking away, not giving freedom. Yet these poor misguided people who put their own record for a NWO and anti-democracy record onto Obama. I wonder what does the brainwashing? Is it Breitbart? Fox news? Rush Limbaugh? Ot is it a lethal combination of all three that strips them on any historical understanding, rational thought or critical thinking skills.

          • GALT

            Actual ‘historical understanding” is difficult to come by, and
            as for bring stripped of those other things, that presumes
            they were capable of, or had been taught,or ever bothered to
            develope those skills in the first place.

            One person last week took great pains to point out that, having examined the entirety of the genes located on the x and y chromosomes, for which he had an accurate count…..that
            no “gay” gene could be found, a fact ( possibly) which for him
            held great significance and import.

            I had a simple question in response……Where was the location
            of the hetero sexual gene on the x and/or y chromosomes?

            The human genome does not code for logical reasoned intelligence,…….which explains why most humans are not.

            Another opinion offered regarding homo sexual behavior was
            that we are “not animals”……..

            Q.E.D.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            The Second Amend ! : A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED . Can you read ?

          • GALT

            Can you?

            “Because you will need a source for those rights you imagine
            you have…….and it doesn’t exist.”

            http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Bogus2.htm

            Do us both a favor, at least strive to appear to be intelligent
            when you are responding to me…….you look old enough to at least not to be inflicted with the short attention span that has plagued most of those that post here……

          • monizame

            you are all as stupid as you write…you are definately weak kneed sheeple running your pathetic mouths..Your country is crumbling all around you because you vote with your ass instead of your brain…BHO is as anti american as you can get ..His wife is an avowed marxist…everyone around him is a socialist….George Bush,his daddy,Clintons,Johnston,Carter,are all NWO puppets….Wake up fools…You have been divided into groups of right and left and you still think you are smart…Look in you mirror and if you see an American then look at your brother and sister americans and join together and stop this communist takeover…George Soros and Co. are pulling the puppet strings of Obama and the likes……The Weather Underground is alive and thriving with BHO in the white house…Ywes,the weather underground….I didn’t stutter….WAKE UP IDIOTS!!

          • GALT

            You didn’t say anything…..feel free to stutter all you like, or

            is that just mindless babble?

            Meanwhile the post you are responding to contains a statement and a link……and here is another one…..

            http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

            when you have managed to gain control of yourself and have
            something relevant to offer, productive dialog may be possible.

    • USCavalry

      You sir have describe our government prefectly, and their socialfascist followers.

    • Michael

      Just like your user name (flipped ) you have flipped

    • Tom T

      Just curious….. How do you compromise with someone whos views are directly in opposition to our founding documents considering them as flawed and personal freedom is considered as extream??? To me that is the main issue here.
      How is it that those of us that simply want the government to follow the constitution and spend only what it takes in or less? It is not the role of government to “benefit” the majority of Americans its role is to protect their rights as listed in the Bill of Rights nothing more. Every politician takes an oath to “protect and defend” the constitution not to bastardize and circumvent it.
      Obama is a disciple of Saul Aulinsky and his rules for radicals. One of the main things he taught was you dont debate any opposition, you crush it! You portray any opposition as fringe and extreamist to the ignorant (Common Sense) public by using a gullible media. It seems like this method has worked on you just as planned. I would suggest you actually read the constitution and the federalist papers and wake up from con game that is being played on you.
      Then again, most people who have been conned refuse to admit it since it requires that you have to admit that you have been played and taken. That is why so many con men never get caught.

      • GALT

        When has the “government” not been in debt?

        With out incurring “debt” you would not have had a revolution.

        Because of that debt, you would not have had a Constitution.

        The Constitution was ratified BEFORE the Articles of Amendment
        had even been drafted, let alone submitted to the states for
        ratification……….and only 10 of the 12 were ratified.

        Whatever the Constitution was “intended” for…….it had
        nothing to do with the Bill of Rights……..

        Be nice if the history you should know was actually correct….
        you will then be prepared for the “history” that was never intended
        for you to know………which is to say, son…….you ain’t seen nothing yet.

  • Dave

    It is so sad we have people like this in this country. People afraid of their own shadows and think everyone is out to get them.
    That is what the lack of education and critical thinking skills gets you unfortunately.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      Spoken like a true slave !

      • Dave

        Spoken like a true right wing parrot… Jimmy wanna cracker?
        Funny, then the left engages in this type of BS, they are labeled “radicals” by the rank and file on this board… But people like Jimmy are “patriots”????
        LOL… what fools…Doing the bidding of your right wing masters.

  • poocholiz@yahoo.com

    With agenda 21, we in the united states can count on war with in our own borders. Their are too many proofs to believe other wise. Our constitution gives us the rite to stand up to a tyrannical government. We as the article said, need to become organized to stand against those that are seeking to impresion us for any reason they choose too. They have plotted this for many years, we don’t have much time left to defend ourselves, and I’m sure big brother is reading this. They are few, and we are many, if only we would stand together, they can not impression a few million people at one time. If we let them, they will pick us off a group at a time, we must wake up to the truth be for its to late, don`t believe the lies, we can over come IF we the people stand together. I believe the one thing they fear is our rising up as a united people, how ever we need a God fearing person that will stand up for our freedoms, and the constitution. That person would have us behind them 100 %. johnnyg. PS Thank God for the interner!

    • Michael

      poocholiz absolutly correct

    • trp878

      until they shut it down and keep me from knowing you need help, What or how do u let me know what they did to you?

      • Rivenheart

        This is what Ham radios are for. just one of the preps to put on your list.

        • trp878

          Thanks a llot didn’t think of that one. appreciated

          • GALT

            and there is always “Rent an Angel” because “god loves you and he needs money.”

  • Mooney2977l

    The sheople walk among us!

    They believe everything they hear on TV, especially if it comes from the government.

  • Incredulous_one

    Well, Mr. Livingston, I’m happy to hear your report on military/police being on our side, however, you did not address Mike’s other quite valid observations. I can only hope your reticence to address civilian planning is a ploy to protect such planning from Big Bubba. If so, kudos. Unfortunately, that leaves a lot of us (like Mike) in a very nervously unprepared and uninformed position.

    • Bill Henry

      If you are looking for guidance in that direction then google what you may think will meet that end. If anyone who might have designs on taking our liberties are indeed monitoring our activities here, then I will expect a personal visit from them any time, but let me assure you as well as them, that I have no expectations as to the outcome, nor do I fear it as long as they leave my family out of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.traveller Paul Traveller

    The cops and soldiers WILL fire on Americans. Why? because if there really is a civil war then the CIA will do what it ALWAYS does. They will bomb police stations, schools, and troop barracks etc. Then they will blame it on the resistance. You will be White Alkaida. Anyone who supports the old US, its Constitution etc will be the enemy. And the vast majority of people will fall for it hook line and sinker, they always have. Then they will bring real Alkaida in to stand next to CIA agents with John Deer hats and rifles speaking on TV about fighting the govt.and loving the US Constitution.You wont be talking about the old America anymore after that will you.The people running things have studied how your mind works and know exactly how to get you to jump, run, sit and play dead.There is no mystery here, its the same thing over and over again, history proves it. Only a change in the mass consciousness of the people will stop them, not bullets.

    • Justin M.

      I agree. The majority of Americans will eat it up and condemn the resistance. It will be too easy to go with the status quo and leave the system undisturbed.

  • poocholiz@yahoo.com

    P S S. How ironic, the Bible say`s “That in the last days, they shall say peace, and safety, then sudden destruction will come upon them”. johnnyg

  • ONTIME

    The idea that government has your best interest I mind is a myth that is growing dimmer, the government is the problem and the more it grows the more intrusive and expensive it becomes, we are now reaching another historical pinnacle, political pendulum is making that long hard swing back to the right and the socialistic, left leaning policies are beginning to show their impact, the theft, lies and lack of integrity is becoming more than be born by the people and the natives are restless, the government more defensive…

    • ONTIME

      Stop and think about the risk our founders took against overwhelming odds, their liberty, lives and fortunes and the battle for the hearts and minds of a nation of patriots and mostly loyalist. It is estimated about 20% of the nation was composed of those who wanted to shed the yolk of the British Empire and the rest simply awaited their fate…

      • GALT

        Of the estimated 20% very few had fortunes involved, and
        for those that did, the risk was the loss of the income stream
        that “produced” those fortunes…….a situation not unlike that
        of the 2nd or 3rd “revolution”, whereby the ‘slave holders” forced
        secession when the majority of ‘southerners” held no slaves, and
        derived limited to no benefits from it.

        The fate of the first revolution was…..as described in the Patriot,
        supposedly based on Francis Marion, trading “one tyrant 3000
        miles away, for 3000 tyrants, one mile away.”

        • ONTIME

          and you believe they had nothing to lose and the history of this country is based on that one Marion observation? Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            Are you disputing the result? *3000 tyrants…because if you are then……what is this

            The idea that government has your best interest I mind is a myth that is growing dimmer, the government is the problem…”

            or are you one of those w.i.f.i.’s who is so incapable of comprehension that, things are only TRUE when you say them?

            As for the actual history, see Smuggler Nation

            Sorry it is a book…….and requires you to actually read…..and
            comprehend what you read……

          • ONTIME

            Actually there are 549 elected and appointed people in position to run the US government and over 300 million citizens and I am a firm believer that these elected/appointed folks need to take the same citizenship test given to applying immigrants, have a working knowledge of the US Constitution and be term limited no retirement and remove the progressive tax to replace it with a national sales tax. You are talking to a long time conservative..if you don’t agree then I can’t help you.. Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            No judges? But you are right, as a w.i.f.i. you can not possibly help me……and as you can see…..

            http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

            YOU have no working knowledge of the “constitution” or much of anything else…….although it seems you would like to
            amend the “constitution” , so let me help you…..

            see Article V.

          • ONTIME

            and you cannot count…You really ought to go back to school.. Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            I see 549…….which means you didn’t include the judges, or did you not know, that every district has it’s own appeal court, and that the “laws” are NOT uniform across these districts……

            Are you so ignorant as to believe that the president, vice president and his cabinet make all the decisions for the executive……….

            Then there was this ambassador named Glaspie who managed to

            start a war all by herself……

            BTW you aren’t posting this stuff to another board……why would
            you seek to share your obvious ignorance……?

          • ONTIME

            You are a one book genius….and I really admire you..not
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            Aw…….you poor boy….add these…

            The Fall of the House of Dixie
            Ratification: The People Debate the Constitution
            Rogue Nation
            The Real History of The Civil War
            Constitutional Myths
            The Rich Don’t Always Win

            I do not require the admiration of the “ignorant”, I require
            them to be “LESS IGNORANT”……..or at least make the effort.

          • ONTIME

            Well I am not what you think of as poor and I know from experience this country is not perfect, it’s not built that way and insufficient clods like you are more of a menace to themselves not worth employing….if we are so bad for you why don’t you leave? Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            My, My….you do get carried away……as you are a “w.i.f.i.” this
            is completely understandable……

            I do not require you to employ me and I wouldn’t work for you anyway…..and what makes you think you are a problem?
            You certainly aren’t one for me…….your ignorance is a problem for you…….it has no effect on me, since I will do what is
            required whether you choose to remain ignorant or not…..

          • ONTIME

            You are now wasting my time and yours…
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            I am free to do whatever I want, whenever I want, which
            by definition means I can not be wasting my time.

            That you are wasting yours?…you did that when you posted here
            and since you have chosen to be a w.i.f.i. that will probably be true every time you post here……and as long as you choose
            to remain ignorant……feel free to continue….for as long as you like.

          • ONTIME

            As a one book genius, you will make a fine tyrant….your wasting time. Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            Actually there are now seven books, all history and all recent,
            and I read more stuff in a year, than all the w.i.f.i.’s here combined will read in their entire lives………on almost every subject……

            You may not know this ( I am being kind ) but the Encyclopedia
            Britannica…..is now electronic, and each and every article
            is scheduled for constant revision at regular intervals….because this is the state of our REALITY as it pertains to “legitimate” information……….

            This site is not about “legitimate information” even when they actually stumble across some……and I am not a tyrant since I obviously can’t force you to do anything…including actually thinking for yourself……

            You are being directed toward information, and you are being asked questions……( and your “opinions” are examined for consistency )………if you believe that is tyranny, then that is simply more evidence of your w.i.f.i. condition…..

            Please continue….

          • ONTIME

            How kind of you, you may become a very benign tyrant and if among all the other items I read I can squeeze you in I will try and remember it was GLAT that was responsible…your wasting time… Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            Your memory is also deficient…….

            You are now wasting my time and yours…

            having already explained why I can not be wasting my time,
            causing you to continue wasting your time seems to require
            no effort whatsoever……..typical of the w.i.f.i…..never knowing
            where they are. what they are doing or why?

            Please continue……

          • ONTIME

            Really, well after that I guess I will have go back to reading my comic books, junk mail and the backside of my cereal boxes..best to ya. Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            Oh no not that………please continue…….hahahahahahahaha

          • ONTIME

            There ya go…LOL
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            It is not uncommon for those who write for P.L.D. or their host, Mr. Bob Livingston to invoke, the spectre of “history” in using rhetoric, to argue, persuade, incite or shape “opinions” in dealing with contemporary issues regarding this nation and the particular path they believe is congruent with their own “perceived self interest”.

            It is not uncommon for the participants ( commenters ) to mimic this behavior in their responses when offering their “opinion” on all manner of topics also………and the resultant cacophony serves little productive purpose for any number of reasons, not the least of which is the use of anecdotal references to “argue from authority” when no evidence is available to support the understanding of “history” that is being implied, as well as the failure to recognize that the degree of “empirical” understanding available to this authority, was a mere fraction of that available to anyone today, and that the “conditions of the past” have been so radically altered by the technological improvements that have emerged, that the attempt to impose the “past” on the “present” as a source of potential solutions to contemporary problems, is an exercise in futility as well as outright stupidity, not only in the sense that the “lesson of history is that we have learned nothing from history”, but also because what we believe to be “history” is for most………mythology, speckled with a grain of truth.

            Which of the following do you believe:

            1.) The framers of the Constitution opposed a strong central government.

            2.)The framers hated taxes.

            3.)The framers were impartial statesmen, above interest driven politics.

            4.) The framers were guided by clear principles of limited government.

            5.) James Madison sired the Constitution.

            6.) The Federalist Papers tell us what the Constitution really means.

            7.) The Founding Fathers gave us the Bill of Rights.

            8.) By discovering what the framers intended or how the founding generation understood the text, we can determine how each provision of the Constitution must be applied.

            “He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future.”

          • ONTIME

            Thank you Mr.Glat……..you stick to your myths and I will reread mine, I always do. Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            [comment has been edited]

            “Which of the following do you believe:

            1.) The framers of the Constitution opposed a strong central government.

            2.)The framers hated taxes.

            3.)The framers were impartial statesmen, above interest driven politics.

            4.) The framers were guided by clear principles of limited government.

            5.) James Madison sired the Constitution.

            6.) The Federalist Papers tell us what the Constitution really means.

            7.) The Founding Fathers gave us the Bill of Rights.

            8.) By discovering what the framers intended or how the founding generation understood the text, we can determine how each provision of the Constitution must be applied.

            PS: The list is preceded by a question.

          • ONTIME

            Mr. Glat, You began our conversation with willful insult and continue to do so as Mr. Know-it-All and believe it or not I think you have a certain amount of intelligence, as to how you apply it and manage your success I cannot tell. My chiding you is to let you know that the US is a country of constant revolution, ever changing and only a certain small percentage are willing to defend her, I have spent my time in service of this nation, in the professional/technical world and have listened and looked at many aspects, I like positive aspiration. Your attempt to instantly overwhelm me with your version of how despicable my own view is and how consistently correct your is makes me laugh and your enthusiasm is noted…..you seem to have academic ability but limit your horizon and it is now time to close this lengthy conversation. I wish you the best. Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            Excellent attempt at revisionism and a exit line that is way over due……..you were challenged regarding your fantastical interpretation of history which is not supported by facts.

            You were directed to multiple sources to correct your “ignorance” of those FACTS………nor did you offer any defense of the facts……that prompted the criticism, and you have clearly stated that you have no interest in examining the evidence, regarding the actual facts.

            You have clearly failed to grasp this point and you have kept
            responding while saying nothing relevant, again and again….

            This pretty much confirms both your “willful ignorance” and
            your “functional illiteracy”……..which is observational evidence,
            and FACT…….it is not an insult.

            You on the other hand have been both childish and insulting
            and I have simply ignored you…….nor do you have any basis
            for any opinion you might have, regarding my ability, vision,
            motivations, aspirations and goals……..and why would you expect to, after all, they would not be relevant to the point
            of this conversation and hardly worth sharing with a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate.” under any circumstance.

          • ONTIME

            Try looking in the mirror…Keep your nose clean.
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on Preparing For Civil War : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • GALT

            And of course you can’t stop…..and almost at the limit of
            your irrelevant immature wit…..fast approaching bodily fluids,
            scatalogical references and of course the epitome;

            the suggested sexual reference.

          • GALT

            Dear EDITOR….who ever you are, there have been no violations
            of board policy that would require you to edit anything……
            yet you keep doing it……..abitrarily and without cause….

            Are you one of these functional illiterates……because you either don’t understand the policy…..or what has been written…..

          • Toy Pupanbai

            I think a start could be made by requiring all government employees to hold only a USA passport!

    • GALT

      Only among the unwitting victims, and the proper description is
      “corrupted government.”

  • Wellarmed

    I find the letter written to Mr. Livingston to be mood across much of the Nation. I do agree with some who have posted here that this site and others that have similar topics of discussion are being monitored by big brother, and that is ok as long as we are cognizant of this reality.

    I personally do not feel that war is the answer to our nations problems, but with that being said am preparing for it like many of my fellow citizens. The real question we need to posit is; will this be a Civil War triggered through state succession, or a 50 state united revolution?

    Based on the events that are taking place right now on the state level (passing of clearly unconstitutional legislation towards firearms owners) it appears to me that there will most likely be a tipping point for the states where they will be forced to issue their own Declaration of Independence and exercise their right to succeed from the Union.

    As I have said before, I personally do not wish to see that approach taken, but clearly understand that if the people of such state find that the Federal Government is no longer willing to adhere to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States then I see no reason why states should not exercise that option. These documents are contracts that both the states AND the Federal Government MUST adhere to. There are no exceptions!

    Based on this Presidents denial to recognize the rights of the states to peaceably succeed (which he has already done) the only other peaceable avenue is for the states to enact laws such as Kansas that will place Federal Agents under arrest for attempting to enforce laws which the state deems is in violation of the US Constitution as well as their states Constitution. The question I see in that event is will the Citizenry back up their state and local police force (with arms) in the event that an arrest needs to take place in which a Federal Agent will be taken into custody to receive a trial? I believe that that action alone would be the catalyst that sets off the next American Revolution if the Federal Government attempts to intervene through the use of force to deny this action.

    All just speculation, but I do feel it will be the Fed that forces the hand of the states as it is fairly evident that they are preparing for some type of event that they have already crafted long ago. What is the next false flag?

    • Bill Henry

      I believe they are trying to back us up to the “shall not be infringed” to see if they can provoke us into the first move. I cannot but surmise that may be the intention given Mr. Obama’s infamous “revenge” speech, and his penchant for ignoring the Constitution, but none of us can be certain of anything, and it hurts no one for us to be prepared, should the need arise. If it does, then it does not leave many options open to us. We either willingly submit or resist at the risk of our lives. The former option is untenable as far as I am concerned, but the latter is nothing that I relish.

  • Justin M.

    We have to stop this “left is trying to communize us!” mindset and realize that this destruction of America has been going on since the beginning and it we cannot place blame solely on the current administration or the Democrats. Bush trampled liberties, even Reagan probably did not adhere to the Constitution to the tee most of the time. We have gotten here by accepting that these attack on our liberties are for our national defense, which has yet to be proven true. Electing a Republican in the next round will not solve anything, even a Libertarian would probably fall short. We all need sit down and think about what freedom means and not base our arguments on the historical sense of the word.

  • securityman

    it is so sad that we have people in this country who would giveup their rights for an idiot like obummer. right brain thinker,doc sarvis, and flipped54 are prime examples of sheep and idiots that will believe anything that comes out of the white house.they think that they will be with the man ruling the country and don’tthink that they will just be sheep like the others that they hang with. it would be funny to watch,but the rest of us will be trying and dying for idiots like that,the we have been throughout history.

    • monizame

      right on brother….keep those names you mentioned written down in a memo ..they are the enemy.

  • Dona Acosta

    i for one will join in on the fight..not afraid to die either as i have accepted jesus christ as my lord and saviour..

  • Joe Public

    I declare right now we must end tyranny. We need 10 million people to openly volunteer 100 hours of their labor to replace all federal workers.

    That’s 625,000 jobs. Long Live the Republic

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Geheimish-Verbotten/100003536054406 Geheimish Verbotten

    As I read your comments, I realize that you folks forget one thing. We, the most powerful military in the world, lost a war to a rag tag military in Vietnam. The French lost too. We don’t have to take the government head on. We would definitely lose. We end around them. First with passive resistance, like the Indians in India against the British, and the American blacks in the south with Martin Luther King. Next we put together a group of experience veterans that know how to penetrate, evaluate, and eliminate the key people that are trying to rule us. There are less then 10,000 of them. Just go to sources like American Free Press and get a list of the Following: The Bilderberg Group, The Council of Foreign Relations, the Carlisle Group, and the Trilateral Commission. In many cases you’ll see the same names. Those are the people that work to rule us. By effectively neutralizing them, we would be able to reclaim our country.

  • MizDixie

    aRivenheart – you might like to check out the battery (auto type) operated ham radios since it appears our electric grid might be in danger.

  • steve buckner

    Ever since Obama came to power he has been bringing in muslims from around the world and has his own army. Somehow he first needs a way to get our miliary out of the way doing something else and away from the United states ( North Korea ) would be the way. Then he could unleash his troops to take over America. If those of us with military background are on gaurd and find out what is happening then we could all get together and start taking these foes out systematicaly, small groups. But we will need a leader for the really big push against the rest.