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Polls Have Good News For The GOP, But Only If Tea Party Is Excluded

February 17, 2010 by  

Polls have good news for the GOP, but only if Tea Party is excluded A potential split among America’s conservatives appears to be emerging as a pair of new Rasmussen polls indicates that likely Republican voters now outnumber the Democratic electorate, but the picture changes when the Tea Party movement comes into play.

The first survey—which is a generic ballot—found that 44 percent of respondents would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate, while 36 percent would cast their ballot for the local Democrat, according to Rasmussen Reports. These numbers have led some commentators to suggest that President Obama’s party may be in the worst electoral shape in a half century.

However, when the poll participants were asked about their preferences in a three-way congressional contest with a Tea Party candidate on the ballot, the Democrat garnered 36 percent of votes, while the GOP candidate’s support fell to around 25 percent. The hypothetical Tea Party candidate picked up 17 percent of the vote.

To confirm a growing split among conservatives, an ABC/Washington Post poll found that 35 percent of those who identify themselves as Republicans expressed favorable views of the Tea Party movement, and 40 percent saw it unfavorably.

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  • JeffH

    It is just my opinion, but I believe that the only poll that will show a true indication of candidate preferances are at the voting pole, which voters will then express themselves wholehartedly.

    • Harold Olsen

      Not just wholeheartedly but intelligently. In recent years, I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that voter intelligence is somewhat lacking. I hate to admit it, but that sometimes includes me!

      • JRBeaman

        “Intellegently?” HA HA HA. You make me laugh. (And cry)

        Ignorance is what got us into this mess.

        “One of my wife’s friends told her on Tuesday that someone she knew had been renting a house to a single African-American woman for several years. The lady had apparently never missed a payment or even been late with one.

        But, for some strange reason, immediately after Barack Obama was elected to office last November, the woman reportedly stopped paying rent. When politely questioned about it, she told her landlord: “We have a new president now and some things are going to change.” He replied: “Well, that’s fine, but you still have to pay your rent,” to which she reiterated: “No, we have a new president now and some things are going to change.”

        From what I understand, the rent has yet to be paid.”

        Think this is an isolated incedent?

        Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!

        “If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of
        civilization, it expects what never was and never will be…
        If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it
        is the responsibility of every American to be informed.”
        — Thomas Jefferson –

        The privilege to live in this great country requires we do our duty.

        Unfortunately, the dumbing-down of America has been a resounding success.

        “Destroy the family, you destroy the country… Give me four years to
        teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted…”
        — Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

        • Ginny

          Obama will destroy the black people. He doesn’t care about them; he has used them.

          • Claire

            I believe all politicians have used the American people.

        • Robert Wayne

          Offensive post removed

      • Michael J.

        Are we to understand from your comment that you voted for Obama?

  • JeffH

    I recieved another email I would like to share;

    To Those of Us Born 1930 – 1979

    TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE 1930′s, 40′s, 50′s,60′s and 70′s!!
    First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can and didn’t get tested for diabetes. Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-base paints.
    We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had baseball caps not helmets on our heads. As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, no booster seats, no seat belts, no air bags, bald tires and sometimes no brakes. Riding in the back of a pick- up truck on a warm day was always a special treat. We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle. We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and no one actually died from this. We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon. We drank Kool-Aid made with real white sugar. And, we weren’t overweight.. WHY? Because we were always outside playing…that’s why! We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach us all day. And, we were OKAY.
    We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride them down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
    We did not have Play stations, Nintendo’s and X-boxes. There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD’s, no surround-sound or CD’s, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet and no chat rooms. WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them! We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents. We would get spankings with wooden spoons, switches, ping pong paddles, or just a bare hand and no one would call child services to report abuse. We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever. We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes. We rode bikes or walked to a friend’s house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.
    Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn’t had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
    The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law! These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever. The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.

    If YOU are one of them, CONGRATULATIONS!

    • JeffH

      The quote of the month is by

      Jay Leno:
      ‘With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?’

      • Joe H.

        a better one by Mark Twain: Patriotism is supporting your country all of the time, and your government when they deserve it!!!

    • chuck

      you forgot the most important thing we learned….we learned that there is a GOD and some of us even learned it is ok to talk about GOD in public or ask GOD to help you before you take that math test in school.

    • Robo

      Things were a lot different back then. the food supply was better and untainted by mosanto and high fructose corn syrup. They also weren’t adding all the crap they do to the water (fluoride, chlorine, ammonia, etc. Not to mention what seeps into the ground water, ssri’s and all the other pharmaceuticals our society is addicted to). You couldn’t pay me enough to drink tap water. I started shopping only at the farmers market, distilling water and adding back a bit of sodium bicarbonate and most importantly got rid of the T.V. and feel 100X better.

  • Jana

    Everyone is so afraid that the Tea Parties that we are having is going to develop into a third or rather fourth party. Not so. All we are doing is gathering together to let our voices be heard on what we do and do not like.
    We want to vote for the best person available, and hopefully aspire those with high morals and good values to run and know that they will be backed by a group of people that are politically aware of what is going on. We also want them to know we are watching them as we no longer want to be blind, nor blindsided by someone who talks a good talk but doesn’t feel that they are our employees. We are tired of no representation in Washington.

    • Joe H.

      Well said, brings up the phrase Taxation without representation!!!!

      • JRBeaman

        All of this talk of replacing the so-called Income Tax with a flat tax is an ignorantly developed position. Not one dime of the Income Tax goes for any government products or services. I t is not even a tax on your income. It is a tax for certain federally controlled privileged activities. If you remember your Constitution, the Federal government is not allowed to regulate any in-state activities, only inter-state, and offshore activities, and this is
        the only place they can levy a tax. They levy this tax on those activities, and how much money you make determines the amount of the tax. To tax a persons income is un-Constitutional.

        The Flat Tax would suddenly give the federal government the authority to tax the individual people not engaged in any federally controlled processes or privileges, and we DO NOT want them in our pockets. All the hype about being a ‘taxpayer’ is already there in everything we buy, we do NOT need another drain of our rightfully earned wages.


        • JRBeaman

          Oh, yeah, and tell those basturds in Washing to live within their budget like we have to.

        • DaveH

          Whether we have Income Tax, Flat Tax, or Fair Tax, the main problem is the Government spending.
          They will extract the money from us one way or the other. If we had no taxes at all they would just create money money and tax us the hidden way – with inflation.
          Flat Tax is an income tax, just not as complicated. And Income Taxes are a disincentive to work hard. We need to get rid of Income Taxes.

          • Warrior

            As Senator Campbell from Calif says, eliminate income tax and install a national sales tax. Absolutely not to even considering having both which includes the notorious VAT.

    • Harold Olsen

      Yes, we are abandoning both parties and supporting candidates that listen to us and believe in the Constitution of the United States. Of course, that makes us subversive. If the GOP is worried that we’ll take votes away from them then they’d better get their act together. They used to be the party of ideas but have turned into a party of wimps and cowards, afraid to exert their principles (if they have any left) for fear of being labeled racists, a label they already have, but are too stupid to realize it, and worried about political correctness. And, it doesn’t help that the RNC Chairman, Michael Steele is a racist and a whining “I’m a victim” black, claiming that the criticism of him is because white conservatives are afraid of him. He has the liberal mentality of not taking responsibility for his own incompetence. It’s other peoples’ fault, not his. He’s basically the GOP’s version of Barack Obama. The GOP needs to get rid of him and replace him with a REAL conservative, if there are any left in the GOP.

      • Barb DeCarmine

        Actually, We the Tea Partiers are the real GOP. The moderates hijacked the party and we want it back.

      • Rob

        No, the Republicans are not wimps, nor are they afraid. THEY are one half of the problem. The Democrats and the Republicans are the left and right arms of the same Frankenstien monster that is on the loose wrecking this country. Do not support Democrats. Do not support Republicans. Support Independents with no prior political connections.

        • Jeff in OH

          Yes, and then that will Guarantee a win for the Democrapes. We need to be certain to stop this nightmare first…… Vote for the most conservative republican, then slowly keep upgrading these conservatives to keep them aware were watching

        • JRBeaman

          Voting for ‘anyone else’ is like voting for ‘change’ and you can see what that got us. We need Constitutionalists to be elected, and those that are not to be removed from office on the grounds of treason. Period. There are some of them in both parties, you just have to start doing your homework, and help tell the dumbed-down voters who they are.

          • Jana

            They voted in someone that kept saying change change change, but he never explained what that “change” was going to be. Sadly those of us who knew because we checked out his voting record, just couldn’t get it across that BO was a Socialist. People say Palin hasn’t said anything in her speeches. She is not running for anything either, but BO was and seems to be still in campaign mode. He is full of empty promises aka lies, and we know whatever he does is not going to be for the betterment of us or our country.
            People also say he is our President. He has made it quite clear that he is not Pres. of all of the people, only those who agree with him and wants to fundamentally change this country, therefore he is not my Pres.

        • DaveH

          There is only one Political Party that respects peoples’ right to determine their own lives and property (as long as they don’t trespass on the rights of others). The Libertarian Party knows Freedom as our Founders knew freedom. If you want all that the Constitution tried to guarantee, then Vote Libertarian!
          And forget about splitting votes. Would you forego exercise because it takes a while to see results?
          Sure we will have to build slowly, but it does work. Look how much power the Liberals have amassed over the last 70 years.
          The only way to stop these Socialists is to stop electing people who grow the Government bigger, regardless of whether they are on the left or the right.
          Libertarians have the most consistent Principled political party in this Country. If you love Individual Liberty, Free Markets, Limited Government, and you expect Individual Responsibility, there is only one choice – Libertarian:

      • Tom Hopper

        This November is far too critical, too consequencial, to push a third party into the election. We must keep in mind the big picture, and the truth is that a Tea Party candidate will siphon off votes from the GOP only, guaranteeing a continued majority of anarchy (Democrat) control of all three branches of the government. No, the Tea Party must sway the GOP back to true conservativism. This is really the only hope for America to survive.

        • DaveH

          We have gotten to this point in our history because people keep buying into that split the vote scenario of fear. It takes strong leaders to change the direction of the country, and it is never going to happen if we keep electing the same old type of politicians.
          Look how the Socialists have operated. They didn’t accomplish all they did (I don’t mean that as a good thing) in one decade. They took the necessary steps over many decades of gaining control of our media and our schools.
          We need to “throw away our votes” for a while and get our freedom back the same way the Socialists and Liberals took it away from us.
          To do otherwise is just going to keep us on the same path to ever increasing Government.

          • DaveH

            Unless someone has a plan to magically transform our dumbed-down voters overnight.

          • RobertP

            I usually agree with you. In this instance, I understand what you are saying, and agree in principle, but in practice, I don’t know if the country has that much time to spend before it becomes so transformed by the Progressives (Liberal and Rino) that it will not be recognizable or even possible to change it back without a true “revolution”. Maybe that is what we need anyway, but it is a scary path to go down.

          • DaveH

            We are where we are now because both parties are growing government. Democrats want to redistribute the wealth (more government) and Republicans want to protect us from ourselves (more government). You’re right, we don’t have much more time. That’s why we need to concentrate our efforts where they will actually work.

          • Stephaan

            Dave H:
            You are one of the really True American Patriots on here, and I have agreed with you on every point you’ve ever made, except for this one. Splitting the vote is a lose/lose situation. It has won and lost elections for true conservatives, and liberals. It is not fear mongering, it’s the truth, and until a third party candidate can garner 50 to 55 million votes, split votes will always be a wasted vote. The most I can remember a 3rd party candidate getting is around 5 million.(Ron Paul, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, are the big 3 big that I can remember that receive the most votes from the conservatives and liberals)
            The first time I heard Ron Paul speak, I knew he was the man to lead this country out of the sh*t hole we have been in, but a vote for him or any other third party candidate is a wasted vote, and I can’t wait 20 to 30 years for the “turn around” that a split vote scenario will take to reorganize this country.
            I don’t have access to the numbers in the last election, but if you do, can you add the “conservatives 3rd parties votes to McCain/Palins votes, and see if they would have beat Obummer if the vote had NOT been split? From what I remember from Nov. 08, it wouldn’t have been a win, but it would have been extremely close.

        • Robert Wayne

          There’s no reason to vote GOP if they’re going to keep running candidates like McCain and Graham, RINO scum who are nearly as far to the left as Obama and the rest of the communist maggots now in Washington. I’m voting for whoever the Tea Party endorses and not for a candidate just because he calls himself a Republican.

    • Freeme

      Tea Party supporters DONT WANT EITHER PARTY IN OFFICE, GET IT? Since the GOP started to ‘ride the coattails’ of this movement, TP people are more determined than ever NOT to vote Republican!…or Democrat or course.
      They are finding their own candidates on grass root level who are willing and capable to run on and SUPPORT ALL THE ISSUES TEA PARTY people WANT…not some ‘watered down’ version of GOP and DNC like it has been for too many decades.

      Henry Hyde quipped: “polls are an art, not a Science”

    • JRBeaman

      Using the Tea Party agenda, we need to start voting for the lesser of the two evils that are up for office. This will not mean we get the best person for the job, but gradually the better ones. Get real people and go see what the Ross Perot debacle did to our country. It will take a while, but we need the Tea Party to become a beacon, not a third party.

      Another is term limits. What a freakin joke! Vote the bum out. Or keep the good ones for many terms. Are we of too little backbone to vote in a person we want there for a long time? Why lose a great statesman to term limits only to be replaced by a lesser person? Another ignorant position by gullible people.

      We need to start thinking long term, not quick fixes, as they rarely work.

      We need the Supreme Court to review EVERY bill to see it complies with our Constitutional Laws with no unrelated riders of pork and privilege. That should have been in their charter since day one.

      • DaveH

        Voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil. That is what got us to this point. It doesn’t work!
        We need to vote for the people who best represent our desire for freedom. If it splits the vote and doesn’t result in immediate gratification then so be it. We just play right into the hands of Big Government advocates when we continue to vote (against our principles) for the lesser of two evils.

      • L, USA

        I second JRBeaman. His statement is true and relevant.

      • GregS

        JR I agree with most of what you are saying. However, in terms of “quick fixes,” depending on what you mean by that, I think that a “quick fix” is URGENTLY needed in the November elections to get most of the liberals out of Congress before they do any further damage. If conservatives are not successful in winning back control, we can all rest assured that entitlements will be passed by the liberals, which can NEVER be reversed. Take for example healthcare “reform.” We’re still not out of the woods on that one. Even though the liberals no longer have a filibuster-proof majority, they could still pass a Senate version of the bill through “reconciliation” (simple majority vote, as opposed to a 60-vote majority).

        This is why it is so important NOT to let third-party candidates split the conservative vote in November. If enough third-party candidates run in November, to split the conservative vote, we could end up with majorities of liberals controlling Congress, leaving us in the same mess that we’re in right now.

    • Mary

      Jana, EXACTLY!! Members of the TEA Party are self-appointed members who want politicians to STOP stealing the American taxpayers’ money, stop the lying, stop getting in the way of American prosperity and our lives in general, stop the very wasteful spending and, instead, shrink our government…NOT expand it like they’ve been doing lately. We do NOT need a “leader”, nor do we need to be a new “party.” We’re all just ordinary Americans who have finally woken up and who are using our voices in unison to tell Washington, “Enough is enough.” We don’t care who is a Democrat or who is a Republican…we will vote for the person who WILL do the will of “We, the people”, going according to the U.S. Constitution no matter WHAT their party affiliation is.

      • Jana


  • Robert

    Here’s the real good news for all the Republicans, Democrats and Indeendents now in office. This comming November, with the grace of God, all you SOB’s will be kicked out of office. And the icing on the cake would be for the newly elected congressmen and senators is to rescind all your retirement and entitlement benefits and when you hit that magic retirement age you can collect social security and medicare benifits like the rest of us that you forced on us. You all been driving us to a Socialist society, well here it is baby. Let’s see how you like it.

    • Victor L Barney

      If only, but—!

    • Freeme

      STUNNING! AMEN! There is going to be a very ‘rude awakening’ for these audacious arrogant asses sitting atop the Hill in their ivory towers! They will be dethrowned and thrown into the dungeons awaiting their TRIALS FOR TREASON. No more trillions of dollars for faux pork projects paying for ELITE’s underground retreats in case things get ugly on the surface!

      THOSE DAYS ARE OVER! Watch them stutter and stammar now!… tripping over their own forked tongues in trying to schmooze the sheeple again to cover their sorry asses.

      • JRBeaman

        Think of the definition of treason, Conspiracy to overthrow our Government. Since we are a Republic, and not a Democracy, figure out which party is, in total, guilty. Their actions, as of late proves this connection with very little doubt.

  • Harold Olsen

    Though I agree with your thought, it will never happen. The newbies will decide that they want that perk as well. I wonder what the record is for the number of congressmen being voted out after only one term. Maybe we’ll get a chance to break that record if the newcomers decide they aren’t going to listen to us either.

    • DaveH

      There are a few worth saving, like Ron Paul.

    • L, USA

      Right Harold! Also, the one government world liberals have struck at the carotid in their attempt to destroy conservative [Republican] political opposition to their unfettered adjenda. The next attack will most likely be more, much more, scammsteristic toward the mass voter base. There is NO room for error! All conservatives MUST unite into one, The Conservative Republican Party.

  • Robin from Indiana

    No doubt about it! This administration has awakened America! People are more aware than ever of who is running and what their agenda is. Those who are deciding not to run for reelection are growing. At least this a silver lining to this era of our history…

    • Michael J.

      A blessing in disguise? A cure for the disease of complacency? Well maybe so but, let’s hope the cure isn’t worse than the disease.

      • Mary

        I’m sorry, but, I fail to see how the cure could possibly be WORSE than the disease!! I would not call a return to sanity and the United States Constitution worse than this disease, would you??

        • Michael J.

          Maybe my post was a bit too subtle. I was refering to the Obama administration as being the unwitting cure for complacency.

  • D A Eastman

    A Tea Party person is most ofter a devout Republican Conservative who
    has dose not spend the whole day with his backside on the couch.

    • Mary

      Actually, that’s not entirely true. Many are now independants who usually voted for Republicans but were never registered Republicans, themselves. Many started out as Democrats (the Democrat Party used to be for the working-class people until the far left hijacked it), but when the wind started to change in the Democrat party, they left.

  • Durwood

    I am a life-long Republican and I too am fed up with rhino-Republicans. I recommend that my Party study the Democrat Party and pay attention to what happens when a Party disregards the People. The TEA Party is made up of all freedom-loving, Constitutional believing Americans across all Party lines. The Party that leaves out the will of the People, will find themselves in the same mess as the Democrats. Union bosses are the next to fall.

  • thefedupamerican

    I know it is a simplistic answer, but seems that Term Limits could cure alot of what ails government. And no, not 2 terms in the Senate then 2 terms in the House, then an ambassadorship. Nope, you serve your terms and then you go make your own living in the private sector. No cushy government posts forever.

    • Michael J.

      What we need is, acsess to to a process the would allow us to hold a confidence on any politician at any time. Why should we have to wait 2, 4 or 6 years to fire some bum who’s not doing his job like we see fit. And the term politician itself should be banned. We should from now on refer to them as public servants which may serve to remind them of their true job.

      • Michael J.

        “Confidence Vote” that is. (new I shouldn’t have eaten those magic jellybeans for breakfast)

    • Dylan

      Fed Up American,
      Before you think term limits are the answer, please read this post that is a little farther down this page by:
      Natalia Novakova says:
      February 17, 2010 at 6:29 pm

  • http://YAHOO ALBA10

    The only way the people of America will win is this; the majority of us must come together and agree on the primary purpose and principles of good government for the good of all or at the very least, the majority. We need solid leadership to do this and I think the Tea Party has a good start. I can only hope and pray that the Tea Party and the conservatives of our country will stand together as one and give us a standard by which we can all gauge those who are running for office, from the least to the greatest. Good Government begins at the very foundation, not from the top down.

  • Victor L Barney

    It is a statistical rule that all you need to swing is about 3 1/3 % of the voting public to get elected and obviously “intelligence” has little sway in that 3 1/2 %! While I do believe that there will be a positive change in politicians for at least two years, it will only last until another way is figured out to pull back that 3 1/2% of the voting public! Now the bad part, as history indicates, it will happen over and over and over again and again!

    • Michael J.

      The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We can no longer afford to be complacent.

  • Bruce Dunavin

    Amen to all these thoughts. Both Reps and Dems in office today and for the past 16 years have dragged this country to the edge of the cliff. They have ignored the will of the people and act like royalty without any accountability to the country or its citizens. They steal trillions of taxpayer dollars to buy votes from people who don’t belong here and have no committment to this country at all. They seem to believe we are their subjects who must pay homage to them and bow down to them and do as they say, not as they do. This is the United States of America and we need to come together and take it back before there is nothing to take back and we don’t have the ability to take it back. The beginning of the solution is to vote out the incumbents and cut back on the perks of being in office. Our government should have to retire on Social Security like the rest of us and use the same medical care we do. We have got to demand honesty, integrity and respect for God in our leaders.

  • gaetano

    I don`t care who gets in or out so long as Obama is first and reid and pelosi is second to go.No party should ever have total control,and if they don`t work together, then let the people vote on all bills.

  • Norm

    Centrist Republican’s can and should score some good gains in the mid term elections, although not majorities in the House or Senate.. The tea party movement is, unfortunately, mainly a bunch of misfits, right wing extremists, and idealess rabble rousers. Many normal people are actually afraid of them. If they muster enough strength to make a difference, they will only only be helping the Democrats, by stealing potential Republican votes.

    • Terry


      I invite you to attend our Protage County Tea Party meeting next month. You can find us at

      Let me assure you that we are not what you say we are. Come just once and you will see for yourself what a true group of American Citizens we really are.


    • DaveH

      “Many normal people are actually afraid of them”. So I guess they don’t scare you.

    • Michael J.

      Centrist Republican’s can and should score some good gains in the mid term elections, majorities in the House and Senate are likely. The Progressive/Liberal movement is, unfortunately, mainly a bunch of misfits, left wing extremists, and idealess rabble rousers. Many normal people are actually afraid of them. If they muster enough strength to salvage a few seats, they will only be helping the Republicans, by demoralizing what’s left of moderate Democrat’s.

    • Stephaan

      HEY abNORMal;
      T.E.A. Party members = Right wingers, misfits, etc? That sounds vaguely familiar. Oh yeah, those are obamas exact words! We also cling to our guns and the Constitution, and ALL the amendments to it, so (word removed for offensive content) off. Obama says those words over and over because HE IS AFRAID OF US! Why do you quote obama Norm? Are you afraid too? You should be because we’re gonna open up a whole new can of whoopass on you, and your liberal socialists one world government ideals.
      BTW Norm, you should change your name. Norm sounds too “normal” You might want to try something like “Abnormal”, or “Abnormally ignorant”, or “Abnormally socialist” .

      • keith

        go get em boy,whoo-yahhh,i’m with yah all the way!!!!!!!!!!

      • Joe H.

        I vote for Abnormally ignorant!!!!

    • rwnut

      Norm,I’m sure you consider yourself one of the “normal ones”. Sounds like you’re the one that’s afraid of them. This is only my opinion but I think you’re a left wing liberal plant. Just like Bill O’reilly you’re going to do anything you can to stop this movement. Thanks for the insult ,Norm. Remember this, without George Washington and a few “rabble rousers”, there would be no “freeAmerica”. Come on over Norm and join the fight.
      “I have the happines to know that it is a rising,and not a setting sun”.
      Benjamin Franklin.


    the problem is not would be great to not vote in any party but the structure is such that and independent conservative movement will likely help the democrats and the lunatic fringe .while the republican party has failed us,our best chance is to get behind these canidates ,or better still get involved in the primarys ,and help elect candidates who will probably be better than the alternative i did not check the statistics but the votes for ross paroe( i don’t know how to spell his name) probably elected bill clinton .this being the case i would suggest that conservatives vote republican as distastful in many cases as this may be i did not vote for strom thurman because i thought he should be our senator for his last three terms but he was less of a risk than the alternatives .his major accomplishment was to live a long time .he did provide constituent service and did less harm than a lot of others .so,tea party folks ,be carful we sure don’t want to do more damage than good .what we need is good conservitive candidates and you are sure not going to get them in the dmocratic party .seek the best and do thi possible .

    • Richard Pawley

      I remember when Strom Thurmond was the Democratic govenor of South Carolian. He was as close to a statesman as any South Carolinian of the 20th Century. He was not a socialist but was even considered a Progressive 60 years ago and once even won acolades from the NAACP and the ACLU. He was the only candidate in the history of the United States to be elected to the Senate by write-in votes. People elected him because of who he was and what he stood for and he was not afraid to stand up for the Constitution and states rights. He was a Democrat for 60 years and in 1964 switched to Republican. I didn’t appreciate him as a youngster but came to realize that he was a man of integrity (not perfect as only one man ever was) but he was not afraid to change his views and “what you saw was what you got”. You could disagree with him but at least you knew where he stood. He did change his views on many things over the century of his life but I can’t recall him ever saying one thing and doing another. He won more medals than I can remember during WWII and retired as a Major General from the National Guard. I rather suspect that he might be a supporter of the Tea Party today.

      • Jana

        Richard, then he truly wouldn’t be classified as a “Progressive”. A Progressive is someone that wants to change our Country to a Socialist then to a Communist Country. He sounds like he was a Great American.

  • Justin

    I believe that we have become a society of instant gratification and “I can do it if it feels good”. Most of todays future voters know what “guitar hero” is but not who their elected official in D.C. is. All I have to say is, to change America is not only going to be a change in votes, but as parents, a change in family structure. And by “family structure” I mean, be a family! Spend time with your kids. Get off the sofa and on your feet. If you let the T.V. teach the kids about government, then our current leaders love you for it. Propaganda is so easy when used with a television! I unhooked our satellite and it is the best thing I could have done for my kids. Try it and feel the liberation! Don’t let the government raise your kids. Contrary to what Hillary Clinton says, it is you responsibility to raise your kids, not the government or a village.

  • BigIron

    Lately, I’ve noticed some pundits saying that now is the time to form a new, third party and calling on the “Tea Party” crowd to do so. Well, they don’t need to form a new, third party because there already is a third party …. It’s called the Republican Party.

    The old Republican party is the party of NeoCons and RINOs and it IS a FAILED party. The NEW Republican Party is the party of true CONSERVATIVES who believe in small, Constitutional government, fiscal Conservatism, and personal Liberty! This has the “old guard” NeoCons and RINOs on the run; they’re scared and should be. It was under their watch that OUR Country was allowed to degenerate into it’s present state of affairs. That’s why the “old guard” NeoCons and RINOs are calling for a third-party to be formed; they care more about THEIR own personal power than OUR Country.

    There is no need for the Tea Party, C4L, etc. to form another third party because the Republicans have already done that for them. All the Tea Party movement needs to join the Republican party, become Precinct Chairmen/Committeemen/Captains and be a Delegate to the Caucuses (conventions), vote out the NeoCons and RINOs in the Republican Party that have destroyed the Party and replace them with true Conservatives who will cause the Party to thrive. This what has the “old guard” in fear because it is ALREADY happening. There are a lot of true Conservatives already in the Republicans; when the Tea Party joins them they will see their party restored not destroyed.

    This new power of Conservative Republicans has both the “old guard” NeoCons and RINOs of the Republican Party and the Democratic Party left running scared and trying generate support for a third party that is not needed and will be doomed to failure from the “get go”. I “smell a rat” and it’s apparently the NATIONAL leadership of both parties and possibly the STATE leadership, as well.

    “ALL politics are local politics”! Get busy and give the “old guard” NeoCons and RINOs their PINK-SLIPS (bum’s rush!). … Work together and their days are numbered. … We can and will RESTORE our REPUBLIC!

    • rwnut

      BigIron,You’ve hit the nail right on the head! You’ve stated it exactly as it is happening right now! Well said my fellow patriot! By the way,do you love the thrill of “hanging iron”,or am I reading something into the name that I shouldn’t?

      • BigIron

        I’m not sure what the term “hanging iron” refers to. My reference is to a Marty Robbins song which, as I interpret it, refers to the power of the individual and the use of that power and the misuse. We all have the power … it’s how we use it that counts.

  • Eric

    Given the fact Scott Brown was elected purely because boots on the ground tea party patriots went there in droves to do what the MSM would not, campaign truthfully, we can not accept any poll whose results stem from a misinformed public. It only means the MSM smears calling the tea party a bunch of white supremacists, racists, religious zealots etc. have to be countered by grass roots media and door to door introductions that kill the image dead. The money the MSM has will be spent frantically in each race where there is a challenge to their masters greed. I speak to new people daily and where once a negative is encountered I simply ask why and soon I find an open mind worth engaging. The nation is ripe for educating, it just takes time, knowledge to share and calm resolve. Thats a stark comparison to the alternate, crisis demanding immediate suffrage in the face of insult and innuendo.

  • RWNJ

    My dealings with various Tea Party groups suggest the following:
    They are more pragmatic than idealistic. The real struggle is being waged in and before the primaries. While the disillusionment with overly liberal Republicans is causing the rise of new candidates to challenge big government and bureaucratic control freaks, their ultimate support will be united behind a single survivor. In essense, it boils down to this: the Republican Party is trying to co-opt the Tea Party movement while that movement is trying to wrest power from the Republicans (in much the same way that the socialists and communists took control of the Democratic Party).

  • chuck

    I believe we can all agree that the left has going way left to the point of almost seeming to have a socialist agenda. some would say that is their agenda. I believe that has caused those on the right to maybe drift a little. we all if not many admit to mot being involved with the politics of our country which means we have spoke up to let those we have elected to represent us know what we want. I believe they are looking to us for direction at times. if they don’t get that support the pressures can be over whelming. these men are only men that can make mistakes. I myself did not support those on the left before obama.
    I believe that the republican party is or will be very responsive to the tea party and it’s desires of getting this country back on track. I believe dismantling the federal government is what needs to be done.returning those in the federal gov. back to the private sector. end the micromanagement of the dept. of education. enacting a tax system that works for all. (fair tax) I like to fix stuff but even I know it is sometimes easier to do away with something that does not work and is not needed. Ronald Reagen said the closest we can get to immortality in this life is a government program.

  • H Stan Boring, PHC, USN, (Ret.)

    The tea party movement arose because the Republican Party drifted so far left of center in spending money we don’t have they lost the 2006 midterm elctions, which led to the disastrous election of Barack Obama and the majority takeover of Congress by the democrats.

    The tea party folks are not wild eyed right wingers. Nor am I, though you would think so, listening to Janet Napolitano. I am a Veteran, a retired Navy Chief Petty Officer, I believe in the Constitution as written, and am a Life Member of the NRA.

    I’m even a Christian who believes this country was founded on Christian principles, while being open to all faiths who don’t think I should be killed if I don’t convert, as some extereme Islamists do. Nor has anyone ever accused me of being a racist. I was threatened by the Klan once, when I said something positive about MLK. I advised them if they burned a cross on my lawn, not to stand in the light of the fire. I heard nothing else from them. Anyone who disquises his or her identity with a mask is a coward.

    Though I have not attended a tea party in person, I have watched them on television and read their agenda statements. They realize the worse thing possible is to start a formal third party. Anyone who thinks otherwise should go back and look what happened when Ross Perot tried it, and John Anderson before him.

    They are and will be running conservative candidates in primary elections, primarily in the Republican camp, but also in democratic primaries where that might be the best choice.

    The Senatorial race in New York, and the gubernatorial elections in New Jersey and Virginia, are indications of how the people are pulling back from financial disaster as represented by Barack Obama and his minions.

    Obama complains about the deficit, then tries to increaase it beyond any hope of our paying it back. He claims 95% of Americans got a tax cut. That many people don’t pay taxes. He sent Social Security beneficiaries $250 and called it a tax cut, while he plans on allowing the Bush cuts to expire, at a time when tax payers and businesses are struggling to survive.

    This November will be the first step in responsible voters taking back this country. I expect Republicans to go back to their fiscally responsible roots and work with the tea party movement, and not try to hold it at arms length.

    Chief Boring

    • Eric

      I agree with your observations chief. It will be interesting to see if the old guard at the GOP will relent and assimilate the conservative grass roots candidates that arise from the public domain or they insist on vetting their old hands as the candidate du juor as we have been so accustomed to yet find has not served the nation or our constitution well at all. I doubt a third party will arise to great popularity however I suspect the GOP will be forced to admit their failings despite the problems it will cause with their attachments to the financial sector.

    • Joe H.

      Cheif boring,
      the problem with Obummers cuts were that he took them back on most if not all on the returns. I guess we can’t blame him though as he probably didn’t know that he would need that money to support his favorite bank!!!

  • Lee

    I think the title of this article is backwards, I see it that the polls have good news for the GOP only if they include the Tea Party not exclude it. I think what I see is you have 17% that are paying attention and are going to vote to take this country back. You have a large percent of Americans that are still a sleep that would vote for Hitler as long as he had a D or R infront of his name. The way I see it the only ones that have something to loose by excluding the Tea Party people is the GOP. If people want to continue to vote D or R they will continue to get what they have been getting, and will have lost the right to complain. Stupid is as stupid does.

  • G. Davis

    Doesn’t matter, Republican, Democrat or Tea party. I’m sick of the lies and bs from both parties. They all say what we want to hear, but get the umpteenth term senators and congressman out of office and vote in new blood. Study the Repeat Term Runners voting history then decide to vote in new blood.

    Both parties are equally corrupt.

    • JRBeaman

      And you solution is what?

    • DaveH

      Whether it is run from the left or run from the right, Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution!
      Both Democrats and Republicans are running this country into the ground. We need to get back to the Individual Freedom and Responsibility that our Founders tried to guarantee us.
      Vote Libertarian!

    • rwnut

      G.Davis: You are one misinformed person. The Tea Party Movement is not Dem. or Rep. They are from all parties who are sick of the b.s.and lies just like you are. The difference is, we’ve decided enough is enough, and we’re doing something about it. If you would stop watching the left wing media you would see the b.s’ers and liars are dropping out and being voted out like flies!
      “Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence, which prescribes limited constitutions,to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power”.
      Thomas Jefferson.

  • G. Davis

    Offset the balance of power. Democratic President…Republican senate and house. Republican President…democratic congress.

    • chuck b

      g davis

      how can you observe the operations of our current demo pres. and demo congress and suggest such a thing. the tea party is made up of people who are tired of being lied too by politicians. they are tired of politicians enriching themselves at the expense of the taxpayers, tired of a fraudulent presidency manned by a man who is not qualified to be dog catcher. there are many people trying to drive a wedge between the tea party and the republican party, i happen to attend tea party meetings and have heard nothing of running anybody on a tea party ticket but will back new candidates that they feel will help clean upo this mess in washington.

      • JRBeaman

        The Tea Party needs to influence the Repubs selection of candidates, and defeat their promotion of special interest candidates. We don’t need another party.

        • chuck b



        • DaveH

          Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
          Albert Einstein

          • L, USA

            And you think that the theory of relitivity applies to politics? Try again, “Bert”. That is the kind of thinking that communized the government! Enjoy your tax increase, now that George W. Bush (President) is not in the White House to RENEW the tax cuts that HE put in place !!!

          • L, USA

            “Albert Einstein was a liberal. You quoted a liberal.”

  • Gideon Jones

    “The Natives are Restless” They are called by several names:
    TeaParty. 9/11′s. GoooH etc. Similar attitudes meaning they want to take back their Nation which has been hijacked by foreign born interloper and thugs. Only the Goooh movement has a plan, an agenda.
    Goooh ( Get Out of Our House) intends to oust every present member of the House of Representatives by replacing them with loyal, God fearing ,Working class, smart American Patriots who would be limited to a maximum of Two terms. Who would not be indebted to any Party or other entity. Who would be paid while serving in office but that pay would cease when they come home. Just like the founders intended.
    No career politicians. We invite and implore all groups to unite and elect replacements for the do nothing Congress. Forget Parties!

    • JRBeaman

      Term limits are for those that have insufficient backbone to vote in the better person as they come available.

    • Natalia Novakova

      Gideon, Please read this post below before diving into the pool that has no water. WHY would you want to replace the good people that we have in government? Yes there are a few in there. Like Stephaan said it is a BIEG job to get rid of the bad ones. Such a bieg job that we have not been able to do it yet, and how many years trying?.

      Stephaan says:
      February 13, 2010 at 1:49 pm
      Voting out ALL incumbents is not such a great idea.
      ex: We have a Democratic Rep. in my state that is NOT anywhere close to being your typical liberal Democrat! He is a Constitutionalist, and has been all of his political life. He has championed citizens gun rights, lower taxes, and smaller government ever since he’s been in congress.
      How could we EVER replace him, and WHY would we EVER want to try? Who would we replace him with? Replace him with some “UNKNOWN & UNPROVEN” lying politician who claims to be for the people blah blah, and then find out he was lying during his campaign as soon as he casts his first anti-American vote in congress? I DON’T THINK SO!
      I would rather keep voting for a conservative that has proven his political beliefs with his votes, because I have SEEN HIS VOTING RECORD, AND I KNOW HE SUPPORTS A FREE AMERICA!!
      A politicians voting record is PROOF of what, and who he is! Just look at obamas voting record, and then look at the lies he told during his campaign. If EVERYBODY had done their homework on obama, HE WOULD NOT BE P.O.T.U.S. The information was out there about obama, it’s just too bad that not enough Conservative Americans did their homework. The same thing happened in 2006 when the liberal socialists got control of congress.
      I SAY KEEP ALL THE GOOD ONES, AND JUST WORK TO GET RID OF THE BAD ONES, AND EVERYBODY SHOULD ACTIVELY CAMPAIGN FOR THE ONES YOU LIKE, AND AGAINST THE ONES THAT YOU DON’T WANT, AND START RIGHT NOW! Contact your questionable Reps. and Senators now, and tell them that if they cast one liberal vote before November, they will be looking for work the day after the election. Concentrate on the worst ones first.
      There are good and bad ones in all three parties. Getting rid of the bad ones is a big enough job in itself. Ousting all incumbents is counter productive, and a waste of valuable time and resources. This also applies to term limits.


      • Jana


        Stephaan’s Rep may be a good person, but from my recollection the Democrats for the most part always voted right down party lines. How is that showing conservatism and independence? Even the Blue Dog Dems caved in and voted how they were told. Stephaan didn’t give us the name of his Rep so we have no way of verifying for ourselves what this Rep did or did not do.

        Personally, I would vote for a Democrat if I were assured he would vote how his constituents wanted him to vote, and not how Reid or Pelosi told him or her to. In other words, I vote the person. However, I haven’t seen any Democrat come out and act independently for a very long time, so right at this time I am wary of them all.

        • Natalia Novakova

          Hi Jana;
          Sorry for late reply. You are partly correct. There are more liberils and socialists in democratic party, and more conservatives in republican party, but not all!!! It is always better to vote for the man rather than for a certain party whether democrat or repulican. That is exactly what Stephans said in his post. That is what his complete post was about. Do not choose the party, but choose the man who best will represent your beliefs.
          He is not republican or democrat voter. He has posted on here that he is a conservative constituionalist and Libertarien, and does not vote for party but for most conservative person to represent him that can win the election.
          Vote everybody out and term limits is a silly and wastefull thing to want to do. Why vote against your good officials just because somebody gets angry and yells term limits, or vote out all incumbents, or all democrats are liberals! That is inexpeirenced talk. It is pointless and requires us more work to replace the good ones that we voted out, and then we might get socialist in place of constitutionalist who we voted out. Then you have to suffer years of freedom lost by socialists votes in congress untill the bad one is gone next election. Much damage to the constitution and the country is done this way.
          All people on this site are from all different states, and even different countries. Maybe Stephan did not tell name of conservative democrat that represents him because he knows you can not vote for him. In my state we can only vote for representatives who are in our district area, so even others in my state can not vote for all good people who are in election, and I can not vote for theirs, and we can never vote for those in another state.
          I am sure if you ask him he will tell you his name because he seems very proud of him. He is this way because of his second amendment to the constitution support. Do you know where i 5 corridor is? He has spoken of this before as where he lives. Do you know what it means.?

          • GregS

            AMEN, Natalia!

        • GregS

          Jana, there are some conservative Democrats in the US House, who say they will vote against the healthcare “reform” bill when it returns to the House to be voted on. This will be a good indicator of which Democrats will NOT vote the way Reid or Pelosi told them to. Hopefully, they will stick to their guns and vote against this awful 2000-page bill that the liberals/progressives are trying to ram through Congress. All conservatives should watch to see how their respective representatives vote on this bill and vote them out of office in November, if those representatives vote for the bill in its current form.

  • G. Davis

    Look, I’m an independent conservative. I believe in the Tea Party movement. You’re preaching old news and same belief to me. Would you prefer, a Democratic President and Democratic controlled congress and Senate, like we have right now?

    I’m saying that there should be a balance of power between both parties. These people represent their constituents. They all suck either way. I don’t care much for a sixty vote majority, okay. Obama had a sixty vote majority and couldn’t pass health care. He’s thin skinned and wont get anything done expect accomplish pissing people off.

    The dems controlled the last 2 years of bush second term. They’ve controlled everything with a Democratic President and the Republicans controlled the last 4 years of Bills second term. Now the Dems have total control over the republicans with a democratic president and a democratic controlled congress and senate. I prefer while he’s in their that we have young representatives of the opposite party.

    • L, USA

      You seem to forget the newly confirmed Republican, Sen. Brown to the Mass. Senate. Now, We have a fillibuster vote!

  • Rhea

    TEA PARTY is NOT working to create a third party … how many times and how many people telling us that will it take to understand. The true conservatives ARE supporting the same candidates … forget the title. My guess is that there will NOT be any conservation candidates on the democratic ticket … so we can expect a meeting of the minds between the TP and the GOP … i.e. Contract from America is gaining structure … please find it and VOTE for your top 10 wishes for action. You are an American and your vote counts!!!

  • PHILesq

    In the next election(s) its obvious how this country is leaning ! All anyone has to do is consider what happened in Massachusetts….this involved the “tea Baggers”! Without their votes who knows how that election would have turned out! The conservative republican right has nothing to worry about when it comes to the Tea Party movement….at all !What all parties have to worry about is the message that’s coming from the American people….it’s time they start listening and stop doing their will on the people and start doing the will of the people!

  • chuck b

    we should take heed to these politicians talking about another contract with america. remember the last time they tried this, they stood on the capital steps and like a bunch of boy scouts proclaiming all the good things they would do. well, how long did it last, two month’s after they were elected and the next election they were running for cover. there is no need for another of those fiasco’s. thats why we need new candidates and hopefully the tp will force some new blood into the race.


    Seems as though the polls on Tea Baggers are misleading just like the disbelief of Bill O’Reilly and the idea that Obama is un-credentialed.

    The Tea Party people are driven by knowing that it is Costitutional Law and respect for this Republic that are the driving force of this country, the idea that you can enjoy the fruits of freedom in a secure environment is the treasure that this nation has offered in that beacon that glows from our shores.

    The RINO’s and the libs are bent on making your freedoms come under their scrutiny and decide to supply or deny you those freedoms by virtue of their position, this is a country of man ruled by law and not by another man or religion. I would venture to say thse RINO’s and libs have managed to tread upon the very basis of these god given rights and are now in deep doo doo and looking for a way to deny that they are a bunch of screw-ups so that they can retain their neat little positions of influence and remain elite.

    Now the best thing that can occurr is for these elitist to become a endangered species and to be found far and few between the laws described in the Constitution. The Constitution for them is a obstruction to their agendas and they have quite aptly demonstrated that given the opportunity they will use this great document for TP and do so in your face. The idea that we need this type of nonsense is their belief, not mine or those who were schooled that all are equal in the eyes of the law, so for all intent and deserving purpose, Tea baggers are ordinary folks looking to have the Constitution upheld and the irresponsible removed from office.

  • Stephaan

    If the 40% of those “so called republicans” see the TEA party as “unfavorable” then they are RINOS! They are not true fiscal conservatives. Conservativism is what the T.E.A. parties are all about. (Taxed Enough Already) and with NO REPRESENTATION. We are tired of where this country has been going. We want representation in the District of Corruption, and we haven’t had it for a long time. We have been represented by liberal socialists in BOTH lame stream parties, and we’re sick of it. Lying liberal socialists are just that. Liars, liberals, and socialists!
    I’m not advocating a third party candidate because that will just split the conservative vote, and we would end up with MORE LIBERAL SOCIALISTS in Congress, and the white house.
    Ron Paul represents what this country “should be”, and he supports the Constitution, which IS WHAT THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY SHOULD BE DOING WHEN WE GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE. If true conservative Americans could get someone like him to run on the repub. ticket then I would vote for him and I think we would have a winner, but as long as true Americans run on third party tickets, I will not waste my vote.
    A split vote is a wasted vote, and we need someone who can pull approximately 50-55 MILLION VOTES to have a viable chance of winning the white house. I wanted to vote for R.P., but if I had, I would have been doing a disservice to my country, & the C.O.T.U.S., so I voted for the lesser of two evils, J. McC.the RINO, who hapend to have had an excellent conservative running mate S.P.
    If ALL 90 million gun owners in this country had gotten off their lazy asses and bothered to vote for McCain/Palin we would not have Barry and all his goose stepping socialists in control right now, and we would not have 3 anti-second amendment bills being shoved down our throats.
    This prez, all of his 35-40 czars, his cabinet, and 60%-65% of this Congress represent all the lazy Americans who want to be taken care of with free monthly government checks and handouts. The majority of this government DOES NOT REPRESENT ME, FISCAL CONSERVATISM, OR THE CONSTITUTION.

  • PHILesq

    I might add that people are getting wise to the behind the scenes pre selected appointments of presidential candidates by the elitist that attend the annual New World Order’s Bohemian Grove gathering …. insuring that their man will get into office no matter what party wins ! Also known about is the genetic ties of our elected officials to one another and those in high places in Europe. The days of the good old boys club at the Skull and Bones Society are on their way out also ! When it comes to today’s politics and the parties…. WE know it’s different legs of the same pair of pants ! It’s time to change that pair of pants !

  • G. Davis

    First Amendment
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    The First Amendment was a restriction on the power of the federal government, not a grant of power. The First Amendment also did not allow federal interference in state questions involving speech and press. As Jefferson wrote to Abigail Adams in 1804, “While we deny that Congress has a right to control the freedom of the press, we have ever asserted the right of the States, and their exclusive right to do so.”

    A book you should read. The Theme Is Freedom: Religion, Politics, and the American Tradition by M. Stanton Evans; Washington, D.C.: Regnery, 1994.(This book debunks myths about religion and government, and discusses both the original understanding of the First Amendment and the salutary role of Christianity in Western civilization.”

    “Certainly no power over religious discipline has been delegated to the general government,” Thomas Jefferson once wrote. “It must thus rest with the states as far as it can be in any human authority.”

    Second Amendment – It’s Okay To Own A Gun
    A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    A well known fact. Outlaw guns and only outlaws own guns. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. You can use a gun and shoot at a shooting range. Using common sense and respect for the gun, no one will get hurt.

    If you legalize drugs that doesn’t mean that it’ll prevent crime and killing or robbing, etc…Here’s why. You can’t smoke a cigarette and do no harm to yourself. You can’t use heroine, or cocaine or ecstasy and do no harm to yourself. Big difference.

    What the Founders Said

    “What is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”

    -George Mason, father of the Bill of Rights

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes….Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than armed man.”

    A health care system that was already working.

    Medicaid and Medicare, which provided medical care to the poor and the elderly respectively, were also features of Lyndon Johnson’s (D) Great Society. Despite what people have been led to believe, however, the poor had done relatively well in securing health care before medicaid. The year prior to the introduction of Medicaid, for example, poor families had considerably higher hospital admission rates than did those in wealthier brackets. Moreover, while high-income individuals had an average of 5.1 doctor visits a year, low-income individuals had 4.3– hardly a dramatic difference.

    What Medicaid did result in was a dramatic decline in the reduced-cost or pro bono services that doctors had once provided the poor. According to historian Allan Matusow, “Most of the government’s medical payments on behalf of the poor compensated doctors and hospitals for services once rendered free of charge or at reduced prices…Medicare-Medicaid, then, primarily transferred income from middle-class taxpayers to middle-class health-care professionals.” Moreover, the hyperstimulation of demand created by Medicare and Medicaid played a substantial role in raising health care costs across the board. That combined with the growth of third-party payers in health care (itself a trend stimulated by government intervention), undermined the natural market mechanisms that would inevitably have lowered the cost and even increased the consumption of medical services.

    In 1792 James Madison argued…
    “If congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of “religion” into their own hands: they may appoint “teachers” in every state, county, and perish, and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children establishing in manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision for the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, everything, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of congress.”

    What Madison warned about is precisely what has come to pass today. So far has Washington drifted from constitutional government that the question of the constitutionality of legislation, which was so central to eighteenth- and nineteenth-centruy congressional debates, is no longer raised.









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  • Richard

    The only reason the Tea Party has a negative connotation is because of the proportional negative and slanderous reporting of the leftist media. Sadly to say, there are still a lot of conservative voters out there who blindly believe whatever’s reported on the 11:00 nightly indoctrination; excuse me, news report.
    What we are not being told about the members of the Tea Party, is that they love their country and its Constitution, and want a complete restoration of our Rights. Oh, how unreasonable!

  • Mark

    ABC/WAPO did the “survey”??? lol…*alarm bells*. May as well have been Der Volkischer Beobachter doing a survey on Jews. Let’s get real here. This scheme isn’t new, as going back to review other “surveys” done by such now-questionable entities (not just based on ONE poll, but MANY, over decades), shows a clear, consistent and unmistakable leftist bias on their part, and I know ABC all too well, as I used to BE one of those they “polled”. Once in a while they manage to get close to accurate, but their consistency of accuracy isn’t something I would stake my credibility on. Classic case-in-point how masqueraded propaganda is used to induce a schizm within the ranks of those they hate…and they H-A-T-E anyone not of their leftist camp.
    This isn’t the first time they pulled this, and won’t be the last.
    Consider the source…as I have, and trust it at your own peril.

  • Ted Johnson

    I’ve read alot about the Tea Party people. The best thing I’ve read was said by one person who understood what they wanted and how to get it. That was that the Tea Party doesn’t want a third party, but rather to take back, or take over, whichever way you want to hear it, the Republican Party. This is exactly what should happen, in my opinion. That’s what I will help do. That means getting involved IN the local, and state, Republican party politics. Getting control of the agenda and backing condidates who understand what’s expected of them. Then holding them to it. Spliting the vote will never work in our system. We just need a clear path and good people who we know will act and vote the way we want them to. The socialists did just that, and that’s why we’re in this fix. Now, let’s all who profess the same thing, get together and do just that. Stand up, start up, and get going. We don’t have much time.

    • John Noble

      Congratz. You got it right!

  • G. Davis

    Sarah Palin said that Ted, last night…

    • Ted Johnson

      I just got the Tea Party Pat. email and it states it in very plain english. Thanks.

  • Dana

    I agree about the flat tax! This is just another smoke screen to continue the income tax under another name! Lets follow the constitution,and make congress adhere to the taxing limits provided by our founders! This will keep government restrained, and keep our money in our pockets! The people are not ignorant! The government is ignorant! WELFARE, FEDERAL RESERVE, MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY,THIS IS MAJOR BRAIN DAMAGE!!!! FREEDOM IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ABOVE, AND LIBERTY IS GIVEN UP THRU THE INCOME TAX!! THE PEOPLE CAN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES IF THE GOVERNMENT ALLOWED THEM TO!!! CAPITAL GAINS TAX, WHY INVEST!!! WE TAKE THE RISK AND THEY TAKE THE PROFIT!!! DANA

  • John Noble

    Who are you kidding? The Rasmussen folks must have their heads up the Democratic Party skirt, which is very disorienting. The Tea Party is comprised of Voters, who for some strange reason have come to realize that restoring the U.S. Constitution is the only thing that really matters. These are the voters who will go to the polls and cleanse the corruption and fraud from the Republican Party by replacing them all. It is called “taking out the garbage.” The GOP is about to be re-populated by the Tea Party electorate. Wake up Rasmussen. What you are sniffin is old and stinky. The Tea Party folks are the very ones who are responsible for the Republican Revival, but this time the party will be comprised of true conservatives.

  • P Norman

    “Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling. We use filters for spam protection. If your comment does not appear, it is likely because it violates the above policy or contains links or language typical of spam. We reserve the right to remove comments at our discretion.”

    In other words, say what we tell you to say, or we’ll block you.

    • Dylan

      Well then P.NORMan, why don’t you go post at the daily kos where they censor EVERYTHING? lol They haven’t censored you here yet NORM, so apparently you haven’t been swearing. All sites have a “comment policy” They are sort of like traffic laws, you can bend them sometimes, just don’t break them.

    • libertytrain

      P Norman – If there was real censoring going on would your comment be here? No, only the extreme rude crud is removed as per their statement.

  • Nick Whipple

    Actually the Tea Party has been a blessing for Democrats politically. If the GOP embraces them openly, it will alienate the moderates and socially liberal Republicans. Who will feel torn between voting for fiscal responsibility vs voting for social responsibility. In the end, which issue is more important to them, finances or individual liberty, that will decide their vote. This is a mindset that is very hard to track. Which will they choose?

    Regardless, if the Tea Party makes a big deal about ‘real’ conservative candidates and send challengers to run against the GOP tickets in November…every place they do that in will have a Democrat winner.

    Ironically, if the Democrats keep their majority it will be because of the Tea Party movement.

    • Stephaan

      Nick Whipple says:
      February 18, 2010 at 5:47 am
      If the GOP embraces them openly, it will alienate the moderates and socially liberal Republicans.
      Good, I hope it does alienate them! The republican party is NOT the place for SOCIALLY LIBERAL REPUBLICANS OR MODERATES ANYWAY! That IS the problem. We want them OUT! The R.I.N.O.S. are liberal socialists HIDING in the republican party, and continually move toward the middle to garner more votes to get re-elected. There is nothing liberal, socialist, or moderate about the Constitution. If the RINOS don’t support the Constitution, then they belong in the socialist democratic party.

  • Pathfinder

    I left the RINO party long ago and have not gone back since. It is time we actually had two parties instead of an R and D branch of one socialist party. When the electorate became fed up whith the Whigs, a third party was formed; this was the Republican party. The whigs are no more, and we still have a two party system. The time has come for the republicans to become extinct, like the whigs, and for us to have two parties again. WE WON’T BE FOOLED AGAIN!

    • Jackie R. Barnes

      What do you mean fooled again i knew what obama stood for and i didn’t vote for him, if all these folk that voted for him had looked and listened at what he was saying and found out what he stood for he wouldn’t be in office now, but it was the blind leading the blind!

      • rwnut

        Right on Jackie. Those that voted for the little dictator simply wanted that wet trickle down thier leg like that Matthews guy. Anyone who didn’t see what honey-tongue Hussien was all about in the primaries is blind. They deserve what they voted for.

  • Rod

    The last thing we need right now is a THIRD PARTY! The Tea Party is a great party but must be a part of the republican party. Bring their ideas into the Republican party. G.O.P. has to listen to the GRASS ROUTES. o-BUM-a would like nothing better than a third party! We are about to toss out Reid in Nevada. If a third party is formed there it
    could mean disaster at election time. In fact, be very careful of who
    tells you they are a member of the Tea Party movement. The Radical left are famous for this kind of dirt! Listen to Sara Palin. She said in her speach at the Tea Party, a third party would not be a good idea. The Republicans Need to get their act together but, they are a far cry better than the alternative.

  • Barb

    Unless the organizers of the TEA Parties have a different agenda than they are letting on and I don’t think they do or maybe I should say, I hope they don’t, we are organizing en-mass all over the country to have our voices heard. It didn’t start out as a political party, it started out as WE THE PEOPLE sick and tired of being ignored and tromped on by the very people who were supposed to be serving in our behalf. I went to every party in our area and unlike the mainstream media liked to say we weren’t all “old, constipated and cranky people from the right” There were people of all ages, families young and old and in between, every ethnic group was represented and then some and every political party was as well. I think that for the most part ALL these people were upset primarily with Obama, Pelosi and Reid in particular and then the entire Obama regime as a whole. Whether or not a third party comes out of this I for one hope it doesn’t. I just pray that the Patriotism, and enthusiasm for our rights and our country carries through to November and the majority of the voters vote intelligently and we can maybe just maybe see a glimmer of light and hope up ahead. I think the media is blowing this so-called fighting in the Tea party movement way out of proportion just to hurt it and slow it down. I think we’re too smart for that, but in any case our real power is in May and November this year. We still have our freedom of speech like in this forum, use it out there in the public too. And pester your congressmen, mine know me well, I write them A LOT especially the one and only Damndemocrat we have!

    • rwnut

      Well said, fellow patriot!
      “The public cannot be too curios concerning the characters of public men”
      Samuel Adams. 1775

  • RICH

    With A Population Of Over 300 million, More political Parties Should Be Allowed On “ALL” State Ballots. The Republican Party Has Moved left And The Dumbocrats Are Leftist At Best.


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