Comments Subscribe to Personal Liberty News Feed Subscribe to Personal Liberty
 

Poll: Support For Universal Healthcare Falling

August 31, 2010 by  

Poll: Support for universal healthcare falling Less than six months after President Obama signed the health reform package there are signs that public support for universal healthcare coverage may be falling among Americans.

Earlier polls showed that although older people have always been skeptical about such a measure — which would require taxpayer funding — their younger counterparts may now increasingly share this sentiment.

Specifically, the average yearly amount adult Americans were willing to pay for universal healthcare fell from $201 in February 2010 to $123 this summer, according to LightSource Poll, conducted by KJT Group, a consulting and research company specializing in the healthcare marketplace.

Overall, it found that only about 32 percent of Americans are willing to pay any extra money each year to achieve universal healthcare coverage. Although there was no party affiliation difference in the average amount people were willing to pay, Republicans were less likely to want to contribute any amount at all.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which was passed and signed into law last March, is expected to expand the ranks of insured Americans and prevent insurance companies from denying coverage based on preexisting conditions, when most of its provisions come into full effect in 2014.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19932604-ADNFCR

Special To Personal Liberty

You Sound Off! is written by our readers and appears the last Wednesday of each month. If you would like to submit an article or letter to the editor for consideration for You Sound Off!, send it to yousoundoff@personalliberty.com by the Friday before the last Wednesday of the month. To be considered, a submission should be 750 words or less and must include the writer's name, address and a telephone number. Only the writer's name will be published. Anonymous submissions will not be considered.

Facebook Conversations

Join the Discussion:
View Comments to “Poll: Support For Universal Healthcare Falling”

Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don't stoop to name calling. We use filters for spam protection. If your comment does not appear, it is likely because it violates the above policy or contains links or language typical of spam. We reserve the right to remove comments at our discretion.

Is there news related to personal liberty happening in your area? Contact us at newstips@personalliberty.com

  • s c

    Of course support for this unconstitutional, anti-American crapola is falling. Schmuck is as schmuck does, people.
    How can there be anyone left who doesn’t see this prez for the velvet-gloved thug he is? His galling, bone-deep arrogance makes Bubba Clinton seem like Mr. Rogers. I don’t care how it’s sugar-coated, folks.
    Crap is crap. It doesn’t make any difference WHO is selling it. It’s crap now, and it will be crap as long as it’s being rammed down our throats. So what happened to progressives and their lofty standard they love to call CHOICE?

    • JeffH

      The only ones surprised by this rejection is the MSM and the bleeding hearts.

      • Jim H.

        Polls showed that the people were against the Health Care Reform Bill, before it was even voted on. Now that it’s here and even worse than imagined, why would the polls change, except to more people being against it?

      • http://naver samurai

        I agree with you JeffH. You know how the MSM acts when their “messiah” doesn’t get his way. I’ll also bet that they wonder how could Virginia and Missouri go to court and beat this Osamacare. I hope that this country continues to wake up from this nightmare that we are currently having. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • TIME

    Jeff, Jim, & SC,
    As I recall the facts are very straight forward, this HCR Bill has never been about {Health Care,} its always been about “TOTAL Control and Power” over all of our lifes from day one.
    This form of Health Care has been a 100% total failure in every country its ever been tried in, thats the facts straight out and they can not be denied no matter how thick the rhetoric from the radical left.

    The facts are that our government is so corrupt that that corruption filters through every facet of our lifes in all forms.

    Health Care is not a right, when its forced on a populace that then becomes a crimminal act, so much so that the only ones not able to see it break down into two groups.
    One, the crimminals who support such.
    Two, the groupies of the criminal element the ones who feel that everyone owes them something.

    We have been fostering this second group for years now we call them the “UNWORKING Welfare Entitlement” crew, also known as the UWE.

    Both of these units can argue their points with a razor sharpe edge, not unlike all criminals can.

    Please do Keep in mind that 100% of all prisons are full of 99% of the people within them who in their own words; innocent of any crime. Even if DNA has them by the balls, let alone eye wittness, or even a film of them in the act.
    All thats wrong and you can’t argue with them, as they have used the rationalization that they are innocent, thus it’s true.

    Power is being able to control others lifes, in all respects, when the government can take funds from your bank account when they feel like it, or turn you away from the alledged care that you have paid for, or fine you for not allowing them to rob you, thats criminal power over your life.
    Thats what was passed as health Care reform.

  • J.M.R.

    i just don’t want the criminals in D.C. touch anything that has my money in it. wish i was young enough to see S.S. put in private hands with me being able to say where its invested. the government does a hell of a job a whole 1%, less what they steal.

    • Norm

      J.M.R.
      The problem is that the government spent the surplus that social security created over the years. This number is in excess of a trillion dollars. If that money had been invested, through blind trusts, it would be worth much more now. In the process the invested cash would have been available for business and housing loans.
      The social security distribution system is very well run and has low administrative expenses. It’s the US congress, of both parties who blew the surplus, that are at fault.

      • J.M.R.

        like i said norm let control my money as i can do a hell of a better job of it

      • vicki

        Norm says:
        “The problem is that the government spent the surplus that social security created over the years. This number is in excess of a trillion dollars. If that money had been invested, through blind trusts, it would be worth much more now. In the process the invested cash would have been available for business and housing loans.”

        So the only thing wrong is they (Congress) didn’t spend the money the way YOU think they should have. Tell me, since SS was raided and used for general funds, what evidence do you have that the money wasn’t already used for business and housing loans. Think Fannie, freddie, bail out 1,2,3,….

        • Norm

          vicki
          You misunderstood me. The government should not have spent the money on anything.
          My point was that the money should have been INVESTED by the SS administrators into profitable and “real” assets for SS.
          It is Bizarre that social security taxes are kept separate from general taxes until they reach Washington. There they are stolen and thrown into the general fund, with only an IOU to prove they even existed. Shameful!

          • Vicki

            On this we are in agreement. Even if all they did was put the money in savings accounts gathering modest interest we all would have been much better off.

  • JC

    Doctors making life and death decisions should NEVER be employees of the State.

    • Norm

      JC
      They shouldn’t be beholden to the insurance companies either.
      By the way, doctors aren’t employed by the government under the new law.

      • James

        No, but they will be. Right now, many doctors dont take Medicare patients because of the inadequate compensation it provides. If Congress forces them to take Medicare patients, many of them will retire. New doctors coming on, will take these patients just to get their practice started, then they’ll be working for the government.

        • Norm

          James
          Medicare has been my primary insurance for nearly 2 years, and I’ve been to five doctors (including second opinions). No one has refused medicare. These were all excellent doctors by the way, I am very fussy in that regard.
          In fact I’ve have never heard of a doctor or hospital not accepting medicare. We did have a local hospital that refused Aetna for about a year however.

          • vicki
          • Jana

            When my mother moved to be near me, I did find that a lot of the what you would call ‘Primary Doctors’, would not take a new patient that was on Medicare. Specialists do, thankfully. Anyway, we had to get her into an HMO that was for Sr.’s and it was fine. In fact it is excellent.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Norm,
            The Mayo Clinic in, I believe, Arizona announced this year that as of the first of the year they would no longer be accepting medicare patients due to the amount of delay between filing and recieving payment and the amount they did pay didn’t cover costs let alone make for paying salaries!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Norm,
            suggest when you go to that link, you also look at the api photos of glen Becks rally as well!!!! they’re saying well into the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!!!

          • Karolyn

            I can’t see why doctors would refuse Medicare when so many of them are overbilling and getting away with it.

      • JC

        Agreed. They should stand or fall on their own merit without interference from Corporations or Government.

  • dr john

    DUHHHH …..most people didnt want obummers plan at all but he and the dimocraps pushed it on us anyhoo

  • dr john

    agreed

  • Norm

    There are 50 MILLION people in the US on Medicaid (medical welfare). There’s got to be a better and cheaper way. Medicare is at least partly paid for by the people who will eventually use it. Medicaid and the VA hospitals are pure taxpayer budens.

    • s c

      N, are you a vet? I doubt you are, but I’m asking. You claim the VA is a ‘pure burden.’ So tell us how we can correct it. Are you aware that the VA gets its drugs discounted? Do you know what that means? I doubt it.
      Do you think people can opt out of Medicare or Herr Obummer’s Hitlercare? I’d like to what planet you live on, as you seem to spend a lot of time commuting between earth and your home planet.
      So make with the solutions, Einstein, or shut the hell up and get comfy under a nice rock between ‘commutes.’
      Stock up on drugs while you can. When you learn how expendable you and your chums are, you’ll be pill-popping and mainlining as fast as you can. Life in the real world has a high price tag, contrary to what your programmers told you.

      • Jana

        SC,
        You stated a very big truth. Even if you are wealthy and don’t need to be on Medicare, you are forced on it. If you would have a reversal of financial circumstances later, you would be greatly financially penalized for going into the Medicare program late. So they force you to do it at age 65.
        They keep saying Medicare is a huge burden, but if they would go after those who are frauding Medicare, and if, as we have done when my mother had some issues, check out the bills and act like it is your own money that is going to pay these bills, you can generally find if there was an error or a double billing on something.This action should be taken, even if you have Insurance. Any type of fraud or even mistakes is what makes Insurance so expensive.

        One of the ways the hospitals get you is they tell you they have to furnish the meds, even if you have some of them by perscrition in your possession. Then they charge big time for each pill.

      • Norm

        s c
        You don’t have any choice about paying into medicare, but no one forces you to use it.
        I have a private plan from a former employer that turned into a medicare supplimentry plan when I was old enough for Medicare.
        It covers, drugs and part of what medicare doesn’t cover. If my expenses reach a certain max out of pocket level, It pays all. My wife still has the company’s full coverage because she’s to young for medicare.
        I am a veteran (USAF) and used the VA’s tuition grants to get my BS degree. My employer(s) paid for my MS. I’ve never used the VA’s medicals, and don’t even know if I’m elegable. I feel their are plenty of more needy and deserving GIs out there.
        My point with VA coverage was not that they don’t deserve it, it was that the taxpayers pay for it.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Norm,
          you think those vets didn’t PAY into their VA health coverage???? They paid a lot more than you for the most part, bud!!!

  • Mark

    Candy coated communism, candy coated socialism, all being shoved down our gullets by those that have no regard for the American people. But they are willing to give it away free to illegals, that simply need to be sent home, even if in a body bag. That idiot retarded pelosi cannot survive without illegal workers in her and her husbands companies and she definitely cannot survive without the mexcan vote. Take this healthcare and shove it up the closest idiots butt that voted for these imbociles.

  • phil

    I am %100 total and per. disb service connected.The V.A.is now charging my pvt. ins blue cross blue shield.for V.A.treatment All iwant to know is this partof oboma care? p.s this has never happened befor

  • R.V.N.

    Yeah, right… Support for any sensible and fair health care reform is falling…!? And love and affection for
    the “good fellas” – the outrageously greedy insurance and drug companies, the banksters, all the useless and costly wars etc. is steadily growing…!? I am sure that more and more Americans will stop listening
    to such malicious preaching and brainwashing, there is no other way!

    • http://aol wayne a

      RVN,I guess in your twisted mind obamacare was sensible and fair.lol i’m sure since a majority of the Americans was against obamacare in the 1st place, as time goes on more people will read and learn about obamacare and also join the ranks of Americans against it.nobody will argue that our healthcare needs overhauled but just not obamacare,especially when there was wheeling and dealing behind closed doors where even the media wasn’t allowed in.

    • JC

      The greedy corporatists that are in bed with the greedy Government? Is that who you mean? Guess what, the solution is less, not more Government….a LOT less.

      • http://naver samurai

        “The vision to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters.” It’s one of our founding principles and is still true today. Less not more. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • JC

          Amen that!

  • James

    It’s easy to say “everybody should have adequate healthcare.” However, it isn’t that easy to do, financially. During the last two years of our lives, all sorts of medical tests and treatments are invoked, just to prolong life. This now accounts for 30-40% of all Medicare expenditures. That alone would bankrupt the system. Faced with that dilemma, Congress would then decide which healthcare services are necessary, and oulaw the rest. Eventually, Congress would decide what constitutes healthcare and what does not.

  • http://LibertyDigest Michael G.

    If I can’t see any of my medical professionals, I hope my veternarian won’t turn me down…

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    With so many opposing the Obamacare plan, why would they think it would now be more acceptable? My insurance went up, considerably. Why?

    • Norm

      Robin from Arcadia, IN
      So CEO’s and Execs. could get double digit raises.

      • vicki

        Or , just maybe, to recover the projected costs of ObamaCare. Norm should start his own co-op Health Insurance group so he can appreciate first hand the fun things government has those “evil” businesses do.

        • Norm

          vicki
          I live in a state that’s the insurance capital of the country. They aren’t losing money honey!
          I know what these execs make and I see the way they operate.

  • Gene

    There is no Social Security trust fund. there has never been a trust fund.The US Supreme Court ruled in Helvering vs. Davis (1937) that Social Security is not an insurance program saying “the proceeds of both employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the treasury like any other internal revenue generally and are not earmarked in any way,”
    In Fleming vs Nestor(1960) The Us Supreme Court said “to engraft upon the Social Security system a concept of accrued property rights would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to the ever changing conditions which it demands.”
    Even the Social Security Administration is trying to back away from the lies it has told over the years.on its web site the Social Security Administration said that” entitlement to Soc. Sec. benifits is not a contractual right. adding “there has been a temptation throughout the programs history for some people to suppose that their FICA payroll taxes (taxes not contributions) entitle them to a benefit in a legal contractual sense. Congress clearly had no such limitation when creating the law.”
    Well there you have it. Social security is not insurance and not a contract. Congress can adjust it or END IT at any time and no one has a legal leg to stand on.

    • GRANDPA 47

      Franklin Poosevelt,a Democrat,introduced the Socia Secutity(FICA)Program.It stated 1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary(now no longer volunyary.2.)That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program.(Now 7.65% on the first $90,000,and 15% on the first $90,000 if you’re self employed.) (3) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from theirincome for tax purposes each year.(no longer tax deductible).(4)That the money the participants put into the independent “trust fund” rather than into the general operating fund,and therefore,would only be to fund the Social Security Retiremant Program,and no other Goverment program.(Under President Johnson the money was moved to the General Fund and spent)and(5)That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.(Under Clinton and Gore up to 85% of your Social Security can be taxed). Q:Which poloitical party took Social Sesurity from the independent “Trust Fund” and put it into the general fund so that the Congress could spend it? ANS:It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically controled House and Senate. Ques:Which poloitical party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security(FICA)withholding? ANS:The Denocratic Party. QUES:Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities? ANS:The Democratic Party,with AlGore casting the “tie-breaking” deciding vote as President of the Senate,while he was Vice President of the US. Ques:Which Poloitical Party decided to start giving annunity paymentd to immigrants? Ans: That’s right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.Immigrants moved into thia country,and at age 65,began to receive Social Security payments!The Democratic Party gave these payments to them,even though they never paid a dime into it!

    • http://aol wayne a

      GENE, BS!

  • libra

    S.S. WAS MEANT IN THE BEGINNING TO COVER OLD AGE SURVIVORS. IT WAS LATER EXPANDED TO COVER AFDC.. AID FOR DEPENDENT CHILDREN –REMEMBER THE WELFARE QUEENS WITH 20 KIDS.. THEY ARE STILL AROUND. ALSO–THE SO CALLED INT. THE S.S.A. IOU’S IN THE SO CALLED LOCK BOX ARE NOW EARNING FROM TREASURIES INTEREST IS FROM 1 TO 2.5 %–WITH INT. RATES BEING ARTIFICIALLY HELD DOWN TO NEXT TO NOTHING. ALL BUSH WANTED WHEN HE SPOKE OF PRIVITIZATION WAS THE SAME DEAL OFFERED TO OUR BLOATED GOVT. WORKERS.. A SMALL PORTION OF SAVING BEING INVESTED IN THE GOVT. T.S.P. —THRIFT SAVING PLAN.. IT HAS BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS FOR GOVT. WORKERS. ONE HAS CHOICES–BONDS, STOCKS, MUTUAL FUNDS,OR A BIT OF EACH. MAKE NO MISTAKE.. SOC. SECURITY IS BECOMING A DINOSAUER. IT’S YEARS ARE NUMBERED AND WE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE OUR OWN OLD AGE RETIREMENT FUNDS. IT CAN BE DONE.. WHEN MY HUSBAND WAS DYING, FORTUNATELT WE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO SET UP A PLAN WHICH SUPPORTS ME IN MY RETIREMENT.. I DID WORK FOR 35 YEARS AND STILL PAY HEFTY TAXES BUT WE SAVED FOR MY FUTURE , EXCEPT FOR MY GEN. MTRS BOND WHICH OBAMA STOLE FROM US RETIREES I DO NOT NEED HELP FROM ANYONE.WAKE UP AMERICA–ENTITLEMENTS WILL SLOWLY BE ELIMINATED UNTIL THERE ARE NONE.. GLOBALIZATION HAS PUT US IN A PLACE WHERE OUR INCOME MUST NOW BE SHARED WITH THE ENTIRE WORLD.

  • Donna

    Yeah, the welfare queens with the 20 kids and the lon fingernailos well manicured …..still going on…their hands out for the check! Also, look on the highways and the city streets at the young set who do not work but they have the latest gadgets and the low rider cars with the flashy wheels! Who pays for those!
    I’m tired of paying for the misfits who do not know what causes pregnancy and those youngsters who do not try and get a job!
    I don’t want my dollars to go for the free loaders of society!
    Obama has done the working class conservative American it; but, that was the purpose! He has stolen from us…hard working Americans!

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Just like auto insurance, you pay for those who have no insurance. Who do you think has been paying for all those “welfare queens”? If I had a major medical emergency there would be a fair chance that I could end up in bankruptcy court. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in America. The only way you can hold the opinion you have is that someone else pays for YOUR medical. I believe Healthcare reform is necessary. With a little education you would to.

      • http://naver samurai

        Then the government can enact some laws dealing with the insurance companies and not force legislation (more than 60% of the people didn’t want!) down our throats. Why should I have to pay for someone who is to lazy to show self reliance and personal responsibility? Why should I also have to pay every month just to stay off of the program? To heck if I do and to heck if I don’t?

  • Phoenix

    The health care bill, is a just a new tax and spend
    bill.
    Health care took a back seat, to the Obama administrations
    (spread the wealth philosophy) as it relates to health care.
    Experts are continually saying that the bill will not work.
    It will raise taxes and lower the quality of health care.
    People will in many cases take advantage of the bills
    weaknesses, and cost the economy more.
    It WILL ADD TRILLIONS TO THE DEFICIT !! Contrary to the
    selling points claimed by the bills supporters.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      It would be seriously hard to lower the standard of our healthcare. Look up where we stand in the world with infant mortality.

      • http://naver samurai

        You say your name is take back America? Sound more like liberal lines to me.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Take Back?????
        you think some of the life saving techniques used on kids these days would exhist on obama care??? Do you think his plan will spur invention or professionalism?? Have you ever had any dangerous surgeries? Do you think those procedures would even be in use under a plan like Nobamacare??? Don’t fool yourself!!!

  • Gene

    Taxes for social security were gathered for the first time in January of 1937. The US Supreme Court in 1937 ruled that all moneys collected with the social security tax must be placed in the treasury general fund along with all other taxes collected. the court ruled that not a single dollar could be earmarked (set aside) for social security. The criminal Congress in order to hoodwink the public created a special IOU to be placed in what they said was a trust fund
    For example lets say that the Govt took in 1000 dollars with the social security tax. 500 dollars is spent on current recipients and the remaining 500 dollars is placed in the treasury with all other tax money and is spent on whatever the Congress wants to spend it on. the criminal Congress then creates a 500 dollar IOU and places it in the phoney trust fund.
    Every body is happy right! NOT SO FAST! when the time comes that the Govt. is taking in less money than it is paying current recipients (sound familiar) they are going to have to redeem those IOU’S. Because the Govt. has no way to create real wealth (only the private sector can do that)to raise the money to redeem the IOU’S the Govt is going to Tax the citizen”s once again or they will print the money thus stealing the money from the citizens with inflation.
    I rest my case. there has never been a Social Security trust fund with any real assets. its all been a fraud from the beginning. the whole crooked scheme brought to you by Democrats of course.

  • jopa

    President Obama was elected on the campaign issue of healthcare for all Americans and the people spoke with their vote.The last poll I had seen there was a dramatic increase of support for the HC bill but polls seem to vary depending on who is pushing their agenda and what site you are looking at.I would have to say voting Americans are the winner here.

    • http://aol wayne a

      JOPA,i have probably seen at least 20-25 polls in the last 3 months and NOT ONE poll had a majority supporting obamacare!the closest i seen was 46% supporting it.and yes obama ran on healthcare but Americans didn’t want healthcare crammed down our throats with the economy at it’s worst.Americans didn’t want healthcare that, the only way dem could get enough votes to pass it was to meet behind closed doors without the rep. or media.American didn’t want a healthcare bill that had to be passed before congress could see whats in it as pelosia said !

      • Karolyn

        You can’t believe the polls anyway.

  • Gene

    There is a need for health care reform but not obamacare. you have a right to obtain health care. you do not have a right to have health care. there is a simple test that can be applied to determine if something can be a right. the test is this. (does it require something of someone else) if it does it cannot be a right as you are interfearing with someone elses rights. this is known as a self evident truth. If you look at the bill of rights, not one requires anything of anyone else. the bill of rights requires the Government not to do various things. nothing could be simpler to understand. The people of this country that have become accustomed to having Government steal money from others to take care of themselves will never understand this basic concept.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Gene, You need to walk your talk and when the time comes deny Social Security.

      • http://naver samurai

        If there is any social security when he gets old enough to receive it.f

  • Gene

    If the Govt will return the moneys they have stolen from me in Soc. Sec. taxes over the years with compound interest that I would have earned in private investment, I will do exactly that. otherwise I am going to collect as much as I can in an effort to help collapse the system. the sooner it goes under and we start over with a Constitutional Govt the better of we are all going to be.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Gene, and you left out The faster we’ll be a third world nation. Can’t help but criticize your anti American, I am going to collect as much as I can in an effort to help collapse the system “, sentiment.

      • http://naver samurai

        You are not a patriot are you? I think he meant that we should get rid of these cowards and traitors we have now and start over. Now there’s a real patriotic idea! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • TAKE BACK AMERICA

          Who are these “cowards and traitors” you speak of?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            TBA,
            I think he means all the progressive piles of crap we have in charge right now!! Clear enough for you?????

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said, Joe H. Well said and true.

  • Gene

    You cant understand because you are a socialist, you honestly believe that others are responsible to take care of you. our country was fine before the early nineteen twenties progressive movement began to socialize America. they knew that they could never amend the Constitution to permit their socialist programs so they went the next best route. the progressives realized that its so much easier to put their liar for hire progressive judges on the bench and have them criminally rule that the Constitution means something that it does not. You dont understand me because I am a Patriot. in the great words of Thomas Paine “It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its Government. If you will look at the history of the country it is obvious that as we have become more and more socialist our economy has become worse and worse. Socialism does not work. it has never worked. it kills incentive. Here’s some definitions. Capitolism is the unequal distribution of wealth. Communism is the equal distribution of misery. Socialism is communism by installment and a socialist is a communist with patience. After all the crap collapses that was caused by democrats over the decades buying votes with tax payers money (they wrote checks that they now cannot cash) the country is going to come back stronger than ever. We are going to go through a lot of pain and the longer we wait the more painful it is going to be.I have a very bright outlook for the future when once again productive Americans can go back to work and realize the fruits of their own labor.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Gene, you are NOT a patriot and said it in your previous post. “I am going to collect as much as I can in an effort to help collapse the system”. You are as Anti American as they come and will only find contentment in its demise. Your not fooling anyone. Your buddy Bush ran up over 7 trillion in debt before he left, where was your voice then?

      • http://naver samurai

        Why are you sounding like a ranting fool? Who are you to say who is a patriot and who isn’t? Where do you like? Are you really an American or some plant put here to “stir the waters?” You are also wrong about Bush, you idiot! Bush did have a 2 trillion dollar debt, but it has ballooned to way more than 13 – 16 trillion under Obama bin Laden! Get your facts straight before you post! Bush was a heck of a lot better than the terrorist we have now. State your sources and some real facts. Ooooooops! I forgot that a lib, commie, gay loving, baby killing person, like you, don’t believe in doing that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • TAKE BACK AMERICA

          Bush entered office with a 4.7 trillion debt and left with 12.3.
          Anyone who says “I am going to collect as much as I can in an effort to help collapse the system” concerning social security is not a patriot.
          Take a moment and do your own research. “Bush did have a 2 trillion dollar debt” Your an idiot that calls names instead of checking facts.

          • http://naver samurai

            Just need to look in the mirror when you say that. If you don’t think the debt is 3 – 4 times larger then when Bush was in office, you are sadly mistaken. Let’s also not forget that Obams bin Laden has borrowed sooooooooo much money from China that if they called in all the loans we owe them, our country will be worse than bankrupt and what do you think will happen then? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Gene

    Bush is not my buddy. I dispise him as much as the Dems. I walked away from both parties years ago. As for being anti American you are saying that if I do not support the corrupt system that im not a Patriot.you see yourself as a Patriot because you do support the corrupt system. Give me a break. look around the country. it is socialism that has been ruining the country. All of the States are in trouble but if you notice the more socialist a State is the deeper in trouble they are. California for example is a basket case.A recent study of migration into and out of California has shown that most of those that are leaving are the producers.( As the framers of the Constitution said they are voting with their feet.) Of those arriving they are heavy with takers.( Those who want to live off others)the Governor was asked where most of the tax moneys comes from. he replied that over the years it traditionally came from the rich. he was then asked if the rich ever revolt. he replied that sometimes they take their money and leave the state. (I would call that a revolt)in The news yesterday the California legislature revealed that of every dollar of tax payers money that is spent 80 cents goes to pay the salaries benifits and retirement of the state government workers. Government workers are needed to a certain extent to carry out the business of the state but in Californias case it is not sustainable. so to fix California and the other socialist states that are in serious trouble Obama decides to send Aid to the states.this act was totally unconstitutional. The states are sovereign to each other and to the Federal Govt.there is no provision in the Constitution for the Fed. Govt. to help the State Govts.it is not up to the citizens of those States whose legislatures have been responsible to bail out the states that have floundered because of their looney tunes legislatures. and where does he tell us that the money is going to go. you got it! to the teachers police and firefighters.(always funded by the State Govt.)of course this rewards those unions that supported him in his election and it props up socialism. (for a time) It is eventually going to collapse and the people to blame are the California State Legislators that have for decades bought votes with taxpayer money. There is a old saying that when you rob Peter to pay Paul you can count on Paul to vote for you. Please dont respond. It is clear that you will never understand the founders approach to freedom and individual liberty. this has all been an excercise in futility. Its like a person trying to teach a pig to sing. it tries the persons patience and it irritates the hell out of the pig.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      I understand the last thing you wanted was a reply. But it was the first thing you needed. Then again I agree with you, you will not budge, won’t listen, don’t read anything you don’t agree with. I don’t want to hear you sing but it’s sad seeing that you can’t even carry a tune.

      • http://naver samurai

        Way tooooooooo much liberal crack. Do you think it is time to check yourself into rehab?

  • Gene

    You are a typical liberal with your short talking point replys. I have forgotten more Government and constitutional law than you will ever know. I have prepaired my family for the coming disaster that will be very unpleasent until things turn around. I may be wrong but Ill bet thast you have done nothing, which is typical of a liberal. you will be waiting for others to come to your rescue.you will be waiting for a long time. Its going to be almost enjoyable to watch you and your socialist marxist communist friends flounder.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      When all else fails yell louder. You do yourself a disservice claiming knowledge you clearly don’t have. I would be curious to learn how you “prepared” your family. I imagine much like those who dug bomb shelters in their back yards over half a century ago. Your willingness to bet on my participation is humorous. As for the name calling, that’s where people of your ilk always end up. Typical, I hope so.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        TBA,
        Your posts are sooo filled with FACTS and REFERENCES!!!! How ever do you DO it???

      • http://naver samurai

        Way toooooooo much kool aid on a daily basis!

  • http://gmail i41

    TBA, everything and every program, Democraps create or try to do, alway ends up as a giant SNAFU. They never stay in projected budget, or stay with in the parimeters that was supposed to. Just like the federal budget the government employees wages and bennies. Just give us the facts where I’m wrong!

  • TAKE BACK AMERICA

    Your wrong to think this is a “Democrat” problem. Here, watch this and you’ll see.
    TBA, everything and every program, Republicans create or try to do, always ends up as a giant SNAFU. They never stay in projected budget, or stay within the parimeters that they were supposed to. Just like the federal budget and the government employees wages and benefits.

    • http://naver samurai

      If you think the dems stay within the projected budget, I think it is about time for you to pull your head out of your arse and take a look at the world around you. Don’t get all the patriots here started about how Obama bin Laden spends money. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • jopa

    Take Back: Genee probably trained his family as we were trained in school. When a nuclear device goes off in the schoolyard children remember to duck under your desk.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      I remember, believed, and spent my childhood in atomic fear. I didn’t pass that on to my children.

  • http://naver samurai

    If this Osamacare is sooooooooo good take back, then why are there these few problems with it. If you answer, you better have some facts and state sources. Ready?

    1. Osamacare will cost over 1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years. Obama bin Laden said that his plan would save us money. If so, where will he get the money needed to support this thing that could become at least one third of our budget. Any ideas other than taxes and maybe hurting the military more than he is now?

    2. Add new taxes on eveything from income, capital gains, etc. I really don’t want to pay more taxes than I do now. Do you?

    3. Obamacare will deny cutting edge treatments and increase waiting time for MRI’s, X-rays, and visits to specialists? You know like heart surgeons, cancer specialists, nurologists, etc. Would you like waiting for who knows how long to see one of these doctors? What if you had to wait, you know you would pass onto the here after wait for an appointment? Could you tell us your plan for just such a senerio?

    4. Obamacare is supposed to cover all uninsured Americans, but this too is a lie and falls greatly short of expectations. Osamacare will leave an amazing 23 million Americans uninsured, including millions of senior citizens. Is this a good and just plan to you?

    Till you answer these questions, take back lib america, you can’t really factually debate the issue. You have the right to your opinion, but you should know when to hold them and know when to fold them. I really suggest folding. A hand with a high card less than 5 tends not to win anything. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      #1 1 trillion dollars will be saved by merely requiring that (current) healthcare providers notify their subscribers of annual check ups. With a simple check up many costly procedures can be avoided. This was included by recommendation n of the AMA. #2 My wife and I make under 250k per year, I haven’t had my taxes raised. The “their gonna be raised” is pure conjecture. #3 Your fabricating and full of bologna. There is absolutely no proof or truth in what you assert. #4 See #3.

      • http://naver samurai

        I’ve read into the healthcare bil, have you? You sound like one of these people who believe in getting everything free and not earning it. Lack of maturity and patriotism on your part. Remember these principles:

        1. self reliance
        2. personal responsibility
        3. limited and not big government

        These are some of the principles we were founded on by our christian founding fathers. These are practicallt thown away with this program.
        Remember also:

        1. freedom of choice
        2. 10th Amendment

        These are also taken away or greatly attacked by you left wing extremists. You talk a great deal but you post no facts, don’t cite sources, and are not a patriot! Need to quit smoking the lib crack!

  • Gene

    Thanks for the support with TBA. In TBA’s post of Aug 31 2010 at 8:44 TBA says that I wont budge. I say budge from what? TBA thinks that I should move from my position that I love my country but can not stomach what my countrys federal Govt. has become over the decades, and that im willing to do everything in my power to restore it to its former glory without the socialism, marxism communism that TBA seems to prefer.then in TBA.s post TBA says I wont listen. Again listen to what? if you look back over all of our posts you will notice that I have presented tons of information supporting my position. Information that TBA was not able to refute. TBA on the other hand in his short very few sentence replies never provides any support information.about the only thing he said is that he is a patriot because he supports a fraudulent system and that I am not a patriot because I refuse to support a fraudulent system. In my earlier posts I was able to show with US Supreme court cases and the Soc. Sec. administrations own words that the system is a fraud. Im still waiting for TBA to present some credible Info. that shows that socialism has ever worked for the long term. socialism always appears to work for the short term but in the words of Margaret Thatcher “the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money. Like Greece and what is beginning to happen in this country.Then TBA says I wont read anything I dont agree with.again why would I? I have spent years in study of capitolism ,socialism, marxism and communism. (actually for all practical purposes marxism and communism are the same thing)It did not take long to discover that socialism in any form has been tried throughout the history of man and it has never worked. It does not work because of human nature. socialism kills incentive. I dont know about the rest of you but I work hard for my money and I want to enjoy the fruits of my own labor. I know that we are required to pay taxes for the operation of Govt. but Govt has no authority to take my money and give it to TBA and his parasite friends. The US Supreme court supports this position.(when reading these cases remember that that liar Obama said that the US Supreme court has never visited the concept of redistribution of wealth, in these decisions you will see how wrong Obummer is) 1. “to lay with one hand the power of the Government on the property of the citizen,and with the other bestow it on favored individuals…is nonetheless robbery because it is done under the form of law and is called taxation.” US Supreme Court Loan Association v. Topeka (1874) 2. The Constitution has NEVER been understood to mean that Government can take money from one citizen and give it to another US Supreme Court US v. Butler6-3 297US/ 1936. 3.” Among the rights of the citizen are a refusal to incriminate himself and the immunity of himself and his PROPERTY from arrest or SEIZURE except under a warrent of the law. HE OWS NOTHING TO THE PUBLIC SO LONG AS HE DOES NOT TRESSPASS ON THEIR RIGHTS” US SUPREME COURT Hale v. Hinkle 201 US 43, 74-75 TBA thinks I dont read. one of my hobbys is reading Supreme Court decisions. you can bet that TBA will respond to this with his short reply of dribble. you can also bet that he will not be able to back up socialism with anything of substance. it can not be done as there has never been a case of sucessful socialism for the long run without collapsing under its own weight.

    • http://naver samurai

      No problem Gene! Just helping out a fellow patriot, fighting the good fight. You post a lot of facts and sources, now that’s really doing a good job! Your hobby is impressive! I’m a historian myself. Let’s not also forget how this Osamacare is a gross violation of the 10th Amendment. Keep going and God bless you! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        I forgot to add that this person sounds like the person using names like elaine, proud american, red, robert smith, seriously, OMG, etc., so just ignore the ranting fool and he’ll go away.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Gene, You are a bombastic blow hard but I believe and will fight for your right of free speech. I only wish you were still willing to learn, but I imagine one finds comfort in the ability to be set in their ways.

      • http://naver samurai

        We have already learned, maybe too late, what this fool in the White House is about. He cares nothing for the Constitution, our founding principles, etc., just his lib marxist ways of doing things. I think you are the one who needs to learn! Don’t forget, moron, that more than 60% of the people didn’t want this thing and he had to do some actions that are illegal and Unconstitutional to get it passed. You also must not be up to speed that Virginia and Missouri have won battles in court, and the polls, to defeat Osamacare in their states.
        In Missouri, if you didn’t pay into Osamacare, the state would be required to collect fees (fines more like it) from you with no say. This is a blatant violation of the Constitution and our individual rights. What do you mean our taxes won’t go up. Who are you? Did you get that info from looking into your lib crystal ball? I don’t make more than 250K a year either, but with this and repealing Bush’s tax cuts they can go up some 10-20%. #3 and #4 are talked about in the bill itself. I know it is 2000 pages long, but if you know where to look it is easier to find. Tell your he/she wife to suck it up and drive on.

        • TAKE BACK AMERICA

          You are amazingly ignorant.

          • http://naver samurai

            Prove it! Cite your sources! What? Don’t know how to do that?

    • Karolyn

      What about Sweden, Germany and Holland? People there live very happily and healthfully, especially in Holland and Sweden. In Sweden they can leave babies on the street in carriages and not have to worry about them. The people are one for all and all for one. They live simply, have little crime and are happy. It would appear that that could never be the case in this country because for the most part we are one for one and all for one! It’s just too bad we can’t be like them. I will say again – “There are no answers.” It’s true. We will plod along trying this and trying that, voting, complaining, whining, fighting, arguing, crying – all for nought. We really can’t change anything. It’s all too far gone. The best we can do is to work at keeping our part of the collective consciousness in a good place. “As WE think, so shall WE be.” Let’s just see what happens in ’12.

      • Karolyn

        I really should say that we CAN change everything; however, because we are of so many different minds, that does not appear possible. There needs to be a coming together, not a tearing apart.

  • Karolyn

    If we all just take good care of the bodies God gave us, we wouldn’t have to worry about healthcare so much. How many of you eat right, exercise, don’t drink or smoke? More money should be spent on prevention rather than addressing symptoms. Down with Big Pharma!

  • TAKE BACK AMERICA

    I see a lot of posts ignorant of Americas standing in health care. Many of you take a “We have the best healthcare in the world” position without the facts to support it. Granted we DO have some of the most cutting edge procedures and pharmaceuticals in the world. That doesn’t mean that we can afford them or our insurance will approve them. We are #2 in infant mortality, we are #1 in medically caused bankruptcy’s. If you currently pay for your own coverage I’m sure how acutely aware you are that your premiums are also making up the difference of those without insurance. I wish more of you would do a little more fact checking and a lot less manure spreading.

    • http://naver samurai

      Idiot! We are #2 in infant motality by counting the 50 million abortions done in this country. We’re #1 in medical bankruptcies? Well, that’s because the people in question don’t purchase any insurance or don’t take the responsibility to pay it. There are many credit companies that would make it possible to make payments within their budgets and not be broke. Sorry dude, you’re facts don’t add up and, of course, you didn’t state any sources as usual! Remember:
      We should abollish the self destructive welfare state, sanctifying everyone with a problem as a victim. We should remind them that this country was built and preserved by people who refused to be victims. Hand ups and not hand outs.

      Karolyn, I do agree with you that if people paid what they owed and took better care of themselves, things would be a lot better. People that are truly ignorant, like tba, just believe in bigger government and overtaxing the average American. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • TAKE BACK AMERICA

        Your ability to rationalize your ignorance is truly astounding.

        • http://naver samurai

          Sounds more rational than you attacking someone and calling him unpatriotic because he wants to make some real “change” in the system. Still don’t post any sources. My facts are true and yours are nothing but lib lies and deceit. By the way, this Osamacare also provides, if you look at it close enough, ways to have abortions on this program. Which is also not Constitutional for the government to do. If you think you’re so smart (A lib? Never!), cite your sources and post some real facts. Everyone on this cite knows that you’re nothing but some lib, gay loving, baby killing person just trying to stir the waters. Your also getting to be po’d about how your “messiah” is losing his grip on our great country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Karolyn

        Wow! we agree on something! That’s a starting point!

        • http://naver samurai

          I do agree with you about taking better care of yourself. Though I’m retired from the army, I still do push ups, sit ups, and go for long walks every day. I know we may not agree on our politics or religion issues, but there are some things that we can agree on no matter we are on opposite sides of the fence. I’ll try to be less aggressive to you in the future. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://naver samurai

    To whom it may concern at the news desk:
    The one calling himself take back america is the same person who has used various names to post opinions and stir up the waters to make his “little mentality” seem bigger. He’s used names like elaine, proud american, seriously, red, robert smith, omg, and others to infiltrate this site for his own ignorant thinking and brings no real worth, discussion, facts, sources, etc., to this cite and should be banned from further postings. Sorry tba, but your a big man only in your own mind. I ask the newsdesk for their opinion and will let them decide on what to do. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear samurai,

      While there are some posters who make it a practice to log in under different names (Elaine, proud american, seriously, omg, Chipper and a couple of others are indeed the same person) some of the others you mention are actually different individuals. It seems that many who support the policies of the Left just get their information and “talking points” from the same sources. That makes it appear that they are all the same person.

      All the best,
      Bob

      • http://naver samurai

        Thank you Bob. I’m sorry for any inconvenience that I’ve caused, but there is a person out there that hounds me and takes different names. Strange as it may sound, that’s the way it is. Keep up the good posts and, of course, the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • libertytrain

          I think Mr. Livingston did tell you that there was such a person. Don’t let one multiple personality pointless poster ruin your day.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Your accusations much like your assertions have once again fallen on deaf ears.

      • libertytrain

        Deaf ears? – I see no sense in what you said.

      • http://naver samurai

        Post some real facts and cite your sources. If you do, your postings will be more believeable.

  • Gene

    I agree Samurai. so far TBA has said nothing. Im sure we are all waiting patiently for him to teach us by directing us to some sources. (SCOTUS etc.)his whole approach is that he and his parasite friends think that those of us that work hard and produce, are somehow responsible to provide for those that do not. I believe it was Lincoln that said” when one receives without working for, another must work for without receiving.” in another quote it is said that “it is the beginning of the end of any country when the people realize that they can vote themselves benefits.” (I can get health care and have some one else pay fot it.) awhile back I was reading a great idea. the plan is this: When anyone signs up to receive benefits from the Govt. (stop producing) that person gives up the right to vote untill they return to productivity. This would not apply to those programs that the producer pays for in a tax that is taken directly from their pay check and labeled as such. such as medicare and Soc Sec.(every pay check has taxes taken that are specifically labeled for these events). it would however apply to things like food stamps, WICK, Govt housing, medicade etc. These programs are not connected directly in any way to the person receiving them. even though any program that takes money from one group and gives to another is unconstitutional (supported by decisions of SCOTUS) this approach will at least slow down our slide into socialism and put the vote in the hands of responsible people.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Gene, It’s never too late for higher education.

      • http://naver samurai

        Where did you get your higher education? A box of cracker jack? What this person has posted (Gene) is historically accurate. I suggest that you actually look things up before you post! This Osamacare program is also a blatant violation of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. You know, the one that says the federal government can’t force legislation on the states. If you would actually educate yourself, along with putting an end to your obviously left wing extremist ideals, you may actually learn something from the experience.
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Gene

    Yet another legal point that will Obummers health care scam to fail in court is this little thing called contract law. (http://www.legaltarget.com) one of our rights is the right to contract. (or to not contract)under Obummers plan any one that does not buy health care voluntarily will be penalized with a penality or tax, or whatever they want to call it. It doesent matter; its still a penalty. under contract law any contract that is signed under threat of any kind is automatically void. therefor when a contract with a health care provider is signed in order to avoid punishment that contract is worthless. poor Obummer. nothing seems to be going his Marxest way.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      It’s not only here, but here to stay. Look at it like your homes foundation, it’s the beginning of the American dream.

      • http://naver samurai

        Are you being blatantly ignorant or were you born this way? I’m really getting sick and tired of you libs saying that you need to give people handouts to improve their lives. This healthcare bill has already lost ground in Virginia, Missouri, and is starting to lose ground in other states (Indiana, Florida, etc….). Let’s see what happens to it after Novermber this year. Don’t forget that Congress and the Senate have the right to pass and overturn legislation. Whether it be currently debated on or already passed. We should raise this debate to our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility, and the vision to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters (limited government). These seem to be the things that you lib, gay loving, baby killing fools are against. How can you all be against what our christian founding fathers set up for this country? Your name is take back america? Take back from what? You have no real interest here except to spew vile hatred and cause confusion. I suggest that you go back under whatever rock you came out from and stay there. You’re not welcome here. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Gene, Just like social security failed in court, so will this. I know how you love those “factual” one liners?

      • http://naver samurai

        No it will not. The state of Viginia won in federal court because the judge ruled that parts of the bill itself has various Constitutional issues, so what’s your point? The people of Missouri voted to overturn the part of the bill that would force the state to tax or fine anyone who doesn’t enter the program. This is a direct violation of the 10 Amendment of the Constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and anything that’s considered unconstitutional is illegal. Get you facts straight before you post! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Gene

    I would not count on it TBA. you see when a complex bill is passed; the party writing the bill usually writes in a provision that if any part of the bill is ruled to be unconstitutional the rest of the bill still stands. the Dems foolishly forgot to write this provision into their unconstitutional unwanted health care bill. so… when the part of the bill requiring that the citizen must purchase a health care contract from a private company fails as unconstitutional, the entire bill goes down in flames. you also have a wierd idea of the American dream. how can something be the american dream when the vast majority of we the people do not want it. actually its the failing minority marxist dream. By the way we are still waiting for your wonderful words of wisdom (backed by reference of fact of course) that will convince us all that socialism, marxism communism is the way to go. to date you have said nothing. untill you can back up your tripe, as far as im concerned you are just a twit.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Why would I want to convince anyone that “socialism, marxism communism is the way to go”. Seems you are the “twit” accusing me of it.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well, if you aren’t, you sure could of fooled me! You would rather want people to get this program instead of earning what they get? Remember, you’re not entitled to anything you don’t earn! Less government is more for the people. WE THE PEOPLE! I’m also a proud member of the TEA PARTY. You’ll be singing a different tune after November, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Gene

    We are still waiting for your supposed knowledge. and you dont seem to know just what you represent. if you are not a socialist,marxist communist you exibit all of the characteristics of same. this November will tell the tale when you and your parisite friends are cast into the ash heap of history.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Gene, Waiting for me to educate you, knowing nothing of me, shows only your inability to seek out an education for yourself. As your scholastic abilities far outweigh even the smartest of Liberal America I wouldn’t want to interfere with the well deserved wisdom apparent by your posts. To include anyone else i.e. “We are still waiting” only serves to include others who are incapable of any intellectual banter. In backtracking your rhetoric concerning my posts your admirers are, much like your views, less than exemplary. Your America is much different than mine but I’m more than happy to accept your freedoms, I wish your America had room for mine. I’m sure November will enable more of you disappointment in our great country. It’s not that your trust is hard earned, it’s simply not available. Too bad for you.

    • TAKE BACK AMERICA

      Gene, Waiting for me to educate you, knowing nothing of me, shows only your inability to seek out an education for yourself. As your scholastic abilities (in your mind) far outweigh even the smartest of Liberal America I wouldn’t want to interfere with the well deserved wisdom apparent by your posts. To include anyone else i.e. “We are still waiting” only serves to include others who are incapable of any intellectual banter. In backtracking your rhetoric concerning my posts your admirers are, much like your views, less than exemplary. Your America is much different than mine but I’m more than happy to accept your freedoms, I wish your America had room for mine. I’m sure November will enable more of you disappointment in our great country. It’s not that your trust is hard earned, it’s simply not available. Too bad for you.

      • http://naver samurai

        Such a narcissist! You’re such an ignorant ranter that you repeated yourself. Why? You probably just like to hear yourself talk.

        • TAKE BACK AMERICA

          I share knowledge, You promote hate. I enjoy debate, You stoop to name calling. I love America, You see America “going down the toilet”. I’m fine having nothing in common with you. You have yet to show even a modicum of intellect when responding to any of my posts. It is apparent I push your buttons, but I imagine anyone with a high school diploma accomplishes that. Why do you bother replying to my posts when you obviously take such issue with them? Please, don’t bother.

          • http://naver samurai

            You still haveb’t posted any real facts or sources. By the way, you still haven’t answered my previous post #2. I’m still waiting for answers. Who are you to say semper fi? You don’t sound much like a marine, I’ve known a few and you don’t sound anything like them. Our country is a great country true, but we need to get back to the ways of our founding fathers and not the whims of cowards and traitors that we have now. This policy is unconstitutional (violates 10th Amendment), what does it take for you to see the truth? We need some real change and not another unconstitutional handout. We should abolish the self destructive welfare state and remind these people that we were built and preserved by people who refused to be victims. Hand ups but not hand outs! No one is entitled to anything they don’t earn, that means you too! Sorry, but coming in November many of these cowards and traitors will be forced to leave and them we can get back to reshaping this country to the ways our christian founding fathers wanted this country to be. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY

        • TAKE BACK AMERICA

          Mr. Young, You have indeed earned the right of medical coverage. I hope you are treated with all the respect you are due. God be with you, God bless America. You have my promise to keep my country safe from any who would harm or dishonor it. Semper Fi

          • http://naver samurai

            How can you say God’s name on this post with all the vile hate you spewed out here? Just what I thought, a pretender!

  • Thomas P. Young

    Well I will stay were I am staying in a nursing home were everything is paid by medicare , medicaid the V.V..I earned IT. I do be live everyone should have medical coverage witch they can pay for. I is so sad that people living in the richest country (so they say) the United States can not afford medical coverage. Well if it were not for medicare,medicaid and the V.A. I WOUND BE DEAD. I say that the the supreme court should leave GOD alone. We need GOD more than GOD needs us. PLEASE PLEASE GOD, BLESS AMERICA we need it more than the American people now. Including the PRESIDENT and SUPREME COURT.

    • http://naver samurai

      If you are a WWI vet, then you must be way more than 100 years old. Like around 118?

  • Thomas P. Young

    Dear samurai. KOREAN WAR.

  • Carol

    OBAMA DOESN’T CARE what people who oppose him want.
    Would a person who is NOT American CARE what YOU want?
    This is about what HE wants. He is taking us DOWN.
    He is sending as much money as he can overseas.

    The media is letting Obama get away with A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF.
    Even one of his czars admitted that they have to TAKE ADVANTAGE of the situation–people are scared, and losing jobs, investments, retirement, homes, security. And Obama is making sure we go even deeper in debt every time he writes a check to another foreign gov’t.

    THINK ABOUT IT. He has TOP CLEARANCE in all the American military secrets. When Obama leaves office, who do you think he might “share” them with? (Maybe he already HAS shared some secrets.)

Bottom
close[X]

Sign Up For Personal Liberty Digest™!

PL Badge

Welcome to PersonalLiberty.com,
America's #1 Source for Libertarian News!

To join our group of freedom-loving individuals and to get alerts as well as late-breaking conservative news from Personal Liberty Digest™...

Privacy PolicyYou can opt out at any time. We protect your information like a mother hen. We will not sell or rent your email address to anyone for any reason.