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Poll: Ron Paul Even With Obama In Hypothetical 2012 Presidential Election Race

April 19, 2010 by  

Poll: Ron Paul even with Obama in hypothetical 2012 presidential election raceAlthough he garnered just 10 percent of the vote in the presidential primary in 2008, Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas) may give Barack Obama a run for his money if the two are matched up in the 2012 presidential election race, a Rasmussen Reports poll has found.

In the hypothetical election, a total of 42 percent of respondents said they would cast their vote for Obama, compared to 41 percent who indicated that they would support the Libertarian congressman.

While Obama earned nearly 80 percent of the Democratic vote, Paul—an outspoken critic of his own party’s leadership and direction—received just 66 percent of the GOP votes, according to Newsmax. However, respondents who were not affiliated with either party overwhelmingly supported the Texas representative, handing him a 47 percent to 28 percent edge over the president.

Many political pundits believe that Paul’s resurgence into the national spotlight is, in part, due to the Tea Party movement, which continues to gain momentum. The news source reports that nearly one-fourth of voters consider themselves supporters of the conservative group’s ideals.
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  • Enlightened one

    Anyone you care to run aginst President Obamas fine… No worries here…

    • Enlightened one

      P.s….I understand the Tea Baggers could only get 3500 people yesterday in Washington Dc… I also hear Fox news won’t allow Sean Hannity at anymore bagger ralleys…the Presidents polls are still at around 47 – 49 %… not to bad..

      • DaveH

        Those who strongly approve Obama now stand at 27%. Those who strongly disapprove stand at 44%.
        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

        • JeffH

          Hmmmm, lets see, the Rassmussen Presidential Approval Index shows some significant changes: a high of +26 in Jan. 2009 to a low of -15 on April 18, 2010. A 41 point differential to the poll in 1-1/4 year might indicate a steep decline in approval and the mood of the country just a bit.

      • George

        Tea Bagger? That is crude, sexual in nature and offensive.
        Are you insinuating that these are folks that like hanging their testicles into the faces of others. Please enough with this. For people so conserned with not offending people, there is no self control when it comes to insulting people who would want consitutional retraints enforced, and disaprove of progressive agendas. This means were dangling our balls in peoples faces?

      • Robo

        Teabag Obama 2012

    • Palin12

      Oh holy enlightened grasshopper….
      some of your fellow liberal lunatic buddies claim Obummer won’t seek a second term.

      • s c

        You are known by the company you keep. Look at Obummer’s ‘friends.’ He has a VP who can’t get through a day without having at least one foot in his big mouth. His Attorney General helped free Puerto Rican TERRORISTS for Bubba Clinton (in a vain attempt to make Bubba look ‘good’). Obummer’s Press Secretary is a LOSER by his own choice, and has no interest in conducting a functional press meeting with the Washington Press Corps (what is he HIDING? is he a closet Nazi?).
        Obummer is surrounded by people who can’t get an honest job (pelosi, waxman, reid, schuman, durbin, leahy, etc.) He has ‘czars’ who are accountable only to HIM. Obummer’s faults go on and on and INCREASE in number, and yet we are supposed to somehow have sympathy for him or find ways to adore the new “leader.”
        As the saying goes, some losers are ALWAYS losers.
        He has surrounded himself with LOSERS. No matter what Obummer does, he is and will always be a loser. The captain of the Titanic didn’t sink the ship by choice. This “captain” couldn’t care if this ship [America] sinks. He doesn’t plan to be on it if it does sink. And this LOSER has plans for a second term?

  • Jim H.

    Un Lit 1, Wow 3500 TEA BAGGERS in washington? Was one your boyfriend? How many TEA PARTY members were there?

    • eyeswideopen

      Jim, don’t be a bad sport.

      • Jim H.

        Eyes, It’s an honest question. What’s bad sportsmanship asking if EO, knew how many TEA PARTY members were in DC? The number of TEA BAGGER’S seemed important.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Jim H.
          tea baggers are always important to him!!! It’s his favorite subject!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          He is being disrespectful using the word baggers. Don’t let it get to you. But I must admit, they did look funny with tea bags hanging from their hats. lol

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Not as funny as you’d look if your eyes were OPEN and your diminutive brain was engaged.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            stephaan,
            I hate to correct a friend, but don’t you mean non-exhistant brain???

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Joe;
            I’m not sure of the proper verbage to use Joe. She has “something” rattling around in there cuz I can hear it squeaking from time to time. Maybe it is a half starved, half dead mouse, with 3 broken legs on a rusty treadmill, but something “does” exist in that vast open space. ;-)

  • eyeswideopen
  • eyeswideopen

    In the history of the world, we don’t know if a libertarian society would be any better, than what we have, but we Do know that no absolute political system( ie…communism, fascism or dictatorship) works very well. We are not any absolute philosophical system, but a blend and balance of capitalism, socialism, a tiny bit of libertarianism, and a few othe “isms” thrown in for good measure. The worlds history has shown us that the dumbist thing is a pure political philosphy. http://www.l4l.org/library/rothopen.html
    http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2010/04/08/could-liberaltarianism-matter/

    Liberals can’t understand how conservatives could be promoting a pure political philosphy which always leads to fascism, communism or dictatorships. This country has thrived due to our mixing pot of ideologies, races, and religions which prevents a pure political party philosphy.

  • JPW-

    Well they started off calling themselves teabaggers then for some reason they changed it to tea partiers.They are known throughout the world as tea baggers and also archived as such in the Smithonian.Maybe next week they will have a new name but if they want people to know who they are they should stay with teabagger.Looked at the DC photo’s and did a head count.Looked like 3500 but most were overweight and the actual count was 1800.

    • s c

      JPW, you use a most curious form of non-logic and pc gagadoodoo. In the world of a true ultraliberal progressive [who willingly suffers from chronic, self-enforced Nazi pc-ism), it’s not nice to call anyone overweight. That can give people a reason NOT to vote for your ‘god.’ People might see you for who you are. What happened to that wonderful, people-loving, vote-sucking concept known as the big, open tent?
      Sounds to me, JPW, like you also have a BAD case of holierthanthouitis. You’d better do penance before your friends have your posterior excommunicated. I suspect you were never good at basic arithmetic (progressives rarely are, especially when the prostitute media is doing the ‘counting’).
      Dream on, JPW. Keep taking those magic pills and keep guzzling that magic pig swill. Pills, pig swill and a big tent. Is that your secret for being so accurate, caring and so Gore-like? Frankly, if I had a friend like you, I’d be shopping for a new friend immediately, ‘friend.’

      • JeffH

        It most certainly helped Barnum & Bailey’s circus acts to become the “Greatest Show on Earth”.

        • Pathfinder

          That is part of the problem, the RINO party is trying to run a circus when the only “big tent” they should have is a revival meeting. Time to stop dividing the conservative vote by wasting votes on a bunch of RINOs. Destroy the RINO party and for a new second party that is truly conservative. We don’t need a third party, only a good second party. But the GOP is not that good second party. The GOP only helps to divide the conservative vote and water it down with false conservative RINOs. As for me, I VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        s c ,
        He doesn’t take majic pills. He takes “smart” pills. He gets them from his back yard when the deer go through!!!!

        • TIME

          Joe,
          If he runs out or Deer Pills – our new home in the south east has a ton of deer pills for him. LOL :~)
          I counted over 40 on Sunday afternoon! I understand the babys are on the way soon.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Time,
            I live in a small city and the deer number about 40 at the end of our street!!! We had twins running around here last year and I walked right up to them and touched them. They had no fear at all. After that, I put a salt block out for them. They never touched my garden!!!

    • Jim H.

      JWP, If 1800 over weight TEA PARTY members made it look like a crowd of 3500, would the space between your ears look like 40 acres, because of the emptiness?

      • Pathfinder

        Having attended numerous conservative rallies in person; I KNOW that the liberal media always undercounts. The so-called million man march was lucky if it made 200,000 but was still called the “million man march.” Conservative demonstrations with thousands of particpants are reported in the media as having “dozens” of attendees. So if the lame stream media report 3500; you can bet that there were over 35,000.

        P.S. Also, unlike the liberal demonstrators who have nothing better to do (i.e. no jobs to go to); conservatives are normally at work rather than at the rally.

  • DaveH

    Obama can’t even get the left-wing cause of not being the world’s policemen right:

    Obama said earlier this week that the United States must do its best to resolve conflicts around the world before they grow too serious.

    “It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them,” Obama said. “And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure.”

    • http://www.staddonfamily.com Free Mountaineer

      Look at that wording! “like it or not, we’re a super power”. Does he not want us to be a super power? Does he want our enemies to invade and conquer us? Can you imagine what the world would be like if American had not restrained evil dictators? Some people in power have proven that they abuse the power they have. How many nations could America have subdued if she had wanted to? She didn’t because she stands for freedom and abides by Christian ethics and wants other nations to be free too. America needs to be strong. Peace can only come when the “right” has power and the wrong is controlled. Freedom is worth blood and treasure. Give me liberty or give me death.

  • Ken A

    After reading all the “enlightened” statements, I had to chuckle. But here’s one long-time Democrat (40 years) who can’t wait to vote against every fool incumbent I possibly can, including idiot Obama and my Democratic Senator and Congresswoman. I’m so happy that both parties have been taken over by extremists; Ron Paul sounds OK to me! The right-wing GOP and the Marxist Dems really have alot in common–they want to hold on to power and the heck with the people. Well, the heck with all of them! Vote anti-incumbent for the next 4 elections…it’ll drive them all crazy!

    • JC

      Ken, Ron Paul is an advocate of the Constitution. That makes him an American which puts him WAY above the fraud from Kenya. And it’s good to see a shift in thinking signifying a return to the American way.

    • TIME

      Ken,
      I voted for Dr. Ron Paul – I still strongly feel he is the best person for the job! And by the way “Good for you” I did the same thing a number of years ago.

      • Pathfinder

        As a Libertarian, I have refused to vote for any Republican for a long time. But, if the RINO party should suddenly wake up and actually NOMINATE Ron Paul as their candidate; then I will vote Republican for the first time in over a decade.

  • Libby

    The number of people who are at all of these events isn’t indicative of the number of people who are unhappy with this administration. Most of us simply can’t get out to these things because we have to work!

    • TIME

      Libby,
      Very good point’s you bring up. I can’t make 90% of these events.

      A quick obesrvation, I have met Democrats, Republicans, and Independants at these meetings, let alone all ages from 18 – 80.
      Blacks, Whites, Hispanic, Asian – both sex’s – some who know what its like to have lived under a dictatorship.

      I met a Holocaust surviver, when I met her she was in tears as it blows her mind that Americans can’t see what BarryO is.

  • Robert

    Lol wait until Obama and the democrates get done with the tax’s, and they are acoming.VAT tax, federal tax on everything you buy they will tax your camel and they will tax your ass,tax you from can to can’t and then tax your tax,Freebies are wonderful as long as someone else picks up the tab.As far as being the policeman of the world,he’s blowing smoke,he can’t bring back the troops or the merc’s,can you just imaging a quarter of a million troops returning in battle mode to a jobless socity and the poverty that go’s with it.Tho I dislike Hillary as much as Obama and Bush she was right on one score he is an empty suit of clothes…

  • Average Joe

    This is not directed at anyone in particular….just an observation.

    Sometimes it is not the message but rather the delivery of the message that will determine whether the message is heard or not. Please try to remember this while posting here or anywhere else for that matter. Being rude, calling names etc….cause people to NOT listen to the message (besides, they are childish and show a lack of intelligence on the part of the purveyor).Debate requires actual thought….ranting shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue. Can we please learn to be civil to one another?or is tht asking too much from a supposedly civilized society?…Just a thought.

    • libertytrain

      Average Joe – good one – now if only people will read it.

      • JeffH

        libertytrain, sometimes it takes others longer to realize the “errs of their ways”. Education is an ongoing part of life itself.

        • libertytrain

          JeffH – yep.

    • Pathfinder

      In my case I think requests for civility are coming too late. Where was the civility during the Regan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 administrations ? I have become so sick and tired of the lack of civility coming from the left that I now favor throwing some of it back in their faces from the right.

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        Pathfinder;
        I gotta agree with that. While I think civility has worked in the past, we have been getting arrogance and outright lies and slander from the liberal left for so long, it is now clear that “playing nice” just doesn’t work anymore. The left just doesn’t listen to rational debate anymore. Their mantra is “whoever screams the loudest, and lies the best, wins the debate, and truth and facts be dammed”

        • Average Joe

          When I get to the point that I am “irritated”… I stop conversing with that individual…Sometimes, no matter what evidence you present…they are just not going to listen.If I am to the point of being upset…I figure…why am I wasting my valuable time on this person?…next! Those people will see the truth eventually….but it will be too late at that point…My gain becomes thier loss.

          I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
          Robert A. Heinlein

          • libertytrain

            Again, Average Joe, you made so much sense. But there are those, that HAVE to be correct at all costs. So silly. I generally write them off as well.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Good points Joe. Sometimes it’s just difficult to ignore some of the worst ones.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Stephaan,
          Yeah, like the jerk that accused Glenn, Rush, and Sarah of sedition because they all are in favor of voting out all liberals??? Since when has it been seditious to disagree with the government in this of all countries???? If it IS seditious to disagree with the government then HELL YES, I’M GUILTY!!!

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Joe H… EXACTLY!!
            From 2000 to 2008, it was ok for the leftest liberal socialists to protest against Bush, Cheney, and the rest of government, but now all of a sudden O’Liar, Puglosi, and Reid are in power, and we are considered right wing extremists, and anti-American for doing the same thing. I’m so tired of the 3rd grade rationale they use, that I just want to biatch slap all of them.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      Joe, Your comment is directly on point and I must admit I’ve been guilty of being “uncivil” at times on this site. But this lapse was the result of the utter frustration over the idiocy expounded by individuals on both the so-called “left” and “right.”
      Dr. Paul has been a klaxon for sane government for quite some time and while some of his views on monetary policy need minor adjustments, basically his grasp of the issues are correct.
      Unfortunately, the game is over, we’ve lost the Republic and these “Conservatives” as well as “Liberals” haven’t got a clue as to how to regain any semblance of sovereignty. They’re content to berate and rant and feel smugly secure in the illusion that their position is the right one. Who can discern the master from the slave, when both have been buried for years in the grave?

  • kay

    Average Joe – thanks for your common sense post.

  • JPW-

    SC;Sorry for making you think I was calling you over weight you chubby little wascal but if you think any one is going to take you really serious about any of your issues;you lose alot of credibility when you come up with such silly issues as birthers, calling people nazi’s Palin being a genius and leader.Anyone with this type of mentality has a lot of space in their head.Reminds me of when Medeved looked into Bush’s eyes trying to look into his soul but all he saw was the back of his head.

    • AnhydrousBob

      JPW -

      Well, apparently despite YOUR BELIEFS about how people react to the tea party, 41% agreed with them back in December. Those who disagreed with them were 24%. From a WSJ/NBC News Poll.

      http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/12/16/wsjnbc-news-poll-tea-party-tops-democrats-and-republicans/tab/article/

      And the ideas you list are not the main ideas of the tea party.

    • Pathfinder

      I must have a lot of space in my head. How else could I fit an IQ of 145 into it. The liberal fools have been calling conservatives stupid so long (and wrongly so) that their voices are becoming horse with it.
      Spiro T. Agnew (Nixon’s VP) was constantly called stupid by the liberal media despite a genius level IQ. Incidentally, I find the word Nazi is not sufficiently descriptive and allows you to mask the true nature of that movement. Therefore; I always refer to them by the phrase “National Socialists.” This phrase shows what Nazis really are and demonstrates the fact that National socialists actually belong on the left right next to the communists.

      • eyeswideopen

        Pathfinder, and you are saying that the conservatives don’t call the liberals names? Have you read any threads on this site? When your house is clean then you can point out the dirt in someone elses.

    • Leo

      It was PUTIN , you liberal moron .

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        Easy there Leo. JPW stands for “Just Plain Wacko” so you can’t expect him to know the difference between Putin and Medeved.

    • s c

      What is it with ultraliberal progressives and your consistent inability to understand the English language? JPW, I said your ‘approach’ will offend card-carrying members in that ‘big tent’ who are overweight. Apparently, “loyalty” is just another word that gets re-defined on a daily basis (Obummer-style?).
      Did you go to school in the Chicago area? Your English “skills” are stuck at the Al ‘duh’ Gore [remedial] level. It needs to be said that if a conservative made a similar remark about overweight people, your media whore icons would be on it like flies on stink.
      BTW, you blew it again. You forgot to mention that Bush was in the White House for 8 years. That’s another parrot cracker you won’t get. At this rate, you’ll have to surrender your ‘big tent’ membership. At some point, even the most hardcore ultraliberal progressives have to have STANDARDS.

  • http://www.sensiblechange.org Ken

    We have to understand that the “teabagger” references are cases of idiot left-wing projection. They just can’t wait for their next encounter. When they heard about Tea Party Patriots dumping tea bags in the harbor, they thought there there was something in it for them. Boy, were they disappointed. They just aren’t in to limited government, fiscal responsibility and free markets. Perversion is much more to their liking.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    From: James Graham

    THE HEART OF OUR PROBLEMS IS OUR POLITICANS ARE MONEY HUNGRY !!!!

    As a widow of a military retiree, who stood with her husband for over 20 years while he served this country (which was the greatest in the world until this Congress and President took over), I have to say I agree. Shirley

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators, Representatives and the President together with his/her staff; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman, Senators, Representatives, and the President together with his/her staff that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Will apply to all passed, present and future
    Presidents an their staffs , Congressman, Senators an Representatives.
    Just think of all the money this would save the tax payers!!!!!

    I think the Senators, Representatives or Congressman that comes out strongly for this will be our next President.

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

    • Pathfinder

      We should not need such an amendment since the federalist papers make it clear that congress is not allowed to exempt themselves from the laws they pass. However, since they are unconstitutionally exempting themselves anyway; then I will be glad to support such an amendment in the effort to get them to do what they should be doing in the first place, namely abideing by the lwas that they, themselves, pass.

      • Average Joe

        The only problem that I see is that they don’t obey any of the rest of the Constitution….why would they bother to obey this one?…The key is to get them to obey the entire Constitution….because if the first 27 don’t matter…nothing else will either…

        • eyeswideopen

          Average, we’ve got our guns don’t we? You go to the church of your choice don’t you? You have the freedom to vote in any radical of your choice don’t you? We have a fine military protecting us don’t we? What specifically in the Constitution is not being followed?

          • Average Joe

            How about the money clauses? War Powers? How about the 4th,5th, 9th and 10th amendments?…do I need to go on or are you capable of reading the document in question and drawing your own conclusions? I don’t mind helping out, but I am not going to do all of the work for you.

  • Ross

    The electoral College is the entity that elected Obama, the people had nothing to do with it. Our vote was simply a poll that was tabulated.

    Whoever paid off the Electoral college was responsible for OBAMA getting into office.

    AMERICA is SCREWED!

  • Save America Susie

    Though RON PAUL has some good ideas,and is a Constitutional Patriot, he is also 75 years old, older than McCain when he ran. I am afraid the Liberals would point that out, that he may be too old to serve. They’d make a big issue of it. Of course he may not be; I never thought age was an issue myself, if a person’s brain is sharp. But the LEFT will point that out, I am sure.

    • Libby

      This is true, it’s too bad because I think he has a lot to offer. In this case, he would have to have a very strong VP running mate. This was part of the problem with Palin, I don’t want this to escalate into a Palin bashing. I like Palin as a spokes person, I think she is much smarter than she gets credit for but I do not think she is a good presidential candidate. I like Mitt Romney but fear the Massachucettes healthcare will be a problem for him, check out Paul Ryan, he is awesome! Ron Paul/Paul Ryan combo would be incredible! http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/PAUL-RYAN-for-PRESIDENT-2012/108728965815375?ref=mf

      • Libby
        • Libby

          Ok, this isn’t working…Copy and paste and check him out, you will be impressed!

          • Airangel

            R-Paul Ryan is great, I-Ron Paul is great, D-Walt Minnick is great…vote for integrity, values, minimal government, private sector jobs, even the National Tea Partyers championed Democrat Walt Minnick so they are researching the best conservative candidates.

        • JeffH

          http://www.facebook.com/pages/PAUL-RYAN-for-PRESIDENT-2012/108728965815375?ref=mf

          I’ve become a fan of Paul Ryan, and have also become a fan of Ron Paul.

          • Average Joe

            Sometimes it takes a while to find a honest man…there are too few of them…..as far as Ron Paul’s age….who cares?…he is still full of fire and rearing to go….I have been a supporter for about 10 years now….I wont stop until he does….

      • Cathy

        Yeah, he’s great. Also, Michele Bachmann or Tim Pawlenty would be good VP running mates. Or really off the wall…Judge Napolitano for VP. Now, that would be one dynamic duo.

        • JeffH

          Cathy, Michele Bachmann stands on her own two feet and has become a staunch enemy to the leftist movement. The lies and vitriol directed at her rival those tossed at Sarah Palin. She must be doing something right.

          • Airangel

            You are right JeffH…Michele Bachmann is a big thorn in the left’s arse and I love her bravery and tenacity to get in their faces!

          • JeffH

            Airangel, I’m still not real familiar with her, but as I said, the left despises her so that in itslf has peaked my interest.

      • Pathfinder

        In my opinion, Romney is a RINO. Remember that Obamacare was modeled on Romneycare. This is my main problem with the GOP. They have become every bit as socialist as the dimocrats.

        • Rob Alexander

          Yes, Romney is a complete RINO.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Pathfinder,
          If he’s anything like his old man, he’s a do nothing!!! When Romney was governor of Michigan, he was like a vegetable, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing!!!!

  • Ross

    Term limits for anyone in a Government elected or appointed position is a must! (No more life terms with high pay and cushy retirement benefits) We need fresh faces in positions of influence, people with principal who have ethical, moral and God fearing beliefs need to be governing our nation and making decisions based on what is right for all. Let’s get the ball rolling and make this happen!

    • iowaheretic

      Roman Emperor Constantine(the Dictator who sentenced the world to 2000 years of misery), Adolph Hitler, George Bush Sr. and Jr., Bill Clinton, in fact, ALL Presidents and politicions so far claim to have “god fearing” beliefs. Look at the shape America is in because of them and the lying, thieving “god fearing” people! When Ron Paul started his “Campaign for Liberty”, he NEVER once said that christian people should consider themselves morally superior to anyone else and make all the life decisions for absolutley everybody on this planet or in this country. He sounded more like Thomas Jefferson, who did not mix religion and politics. Mixing religion and politics is the reason the whole world is in the shape it’s in now. Religion can be used to push ANY agenda and ideaoligy that anyone wants to use it for. If people want religion they should just go to church (no one was EVER trying to stop them)and leave everyone else alone to live thier own life as they see fit. If people continue to try to push thier “godly” morals and lifestyle onto everyone else, it will just be another fight to everyone’s death, as it has been since the beginning of humanity. The christian religion is absolutley no different than any religion there has ever been.

      • Rob Alexander

        Hear hear!

      • American Conservative

        If the Christian religion is no different than any other religion, then why do you single it out? Also, what does this have to do with electing Ron Paul? I like him very very much. He does claim to be a Christian, but he doesn’t want to be seen as using his Christianity to get elected. I like that. He, like our founders, realizes that religion must not be corrupted by the government.

        Furthermore, heretics, by definition, are religious people, they have just chosen aberrant beliefs (“atheists” by definition, are people who hold to a set of beliefs that God does not exist). There are no non-religious people. Everyone subscribes to something. It’s the big bang and random selection (what an oxymoron!) from rocks to primordial soup to monkeys to people, or it’s re-incarnation from amoebas to cockroaches, to enlightened beings, or it’s an intelligent and loving Creator who made us. No one just doesn’t care. Everyone finds their meaning subscribing to something or thinks they’re above it by knocking it. Either way, religion is a part of who you are. If you are a thinking person, you are religious.

        The only way to find real peace is to have the right one, and if you say they’re all equal, and I say you’re wrong, then you have to say that I’m wrong. That’s a logical problem for you, but not for me.

  • Cathy

    I would not only VOTE for Ron Paul…I would actively CAMPAIGN for him. Something I’ve never done for any candidate.

    • Pathfinder

      I too would campaign for Ron Paul. I have campaigned for other candidates in the past. I made financial contributions to a man that I hoped would be our first black president and supported his campaign whole heartedly. This was in 1996, and that candidate was Alan Keyes.
      Noe the democrats want to call me a racist because I oppose Obama. Yet they claim that they are not the racists when they throw oreo cookies at black conservatives. Obviously the democrats are the racists when they oppose blacks like J. C. Watts, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and Walter Williams.

      • Rob Alexander

        I would LOVE to see Walter Williams on Ron Paul’s VP ticket! That would be an unbeatable economic duo.

  • Chris

    Ron Paul President. Lou Dobbs Vice President! I already have my Ron Paul signs sitting in my garage!Lou would help with the immigration issue & the Free Trade problem, The Free trade issue is the only thing that I do not agree with Ron Paul’s stance on. Which I consider pretty good that there is only one issue we dont agree on. Go Ron Paul!!!!

  • Dee

    Pay attention to the post from James A Graham in both this section and in the section concerning John McCain’s challenger. Get your hands on David Horowitz’s books: The Shadow Party, and One-Party Classroom. Spend some time on Wikipedia reading about anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism and the other “anarchos”. In a very short time you will be able to discern the path down which this country is being led … then make your choice at election as an informed citizen.

  • kate8

    James A Graham, we already have a Constitution and Bill of Rights which our elected officials have taken an oath to uphold. If they
    betray that oath now, what makes anyone think another amendment would do the trick?

    BTW, enjoy your posts.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Too little, Too Late! By this time, America will have been destroyed by it’s own will, or at least by the will of the “women vote!” No? Walk down any street in America, take a look down them and tell me about it!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE, : Lawyer has read the ENTIRE health care bill – his comments -

    The Truth About the Health Care Bills – Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

    Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

    To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

    The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

    However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

    The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

    The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

    This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide…

    If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

    So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn’t stop there though.

    The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

    The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

    I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights… Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.” If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

    For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

    Michael Connelly
    Retired attorney,
    Constitutional Law Instructor
    Carrollton , Texas

    AFTER HAVING READ THIS, PLEASE FORWARD….

    If you don’t care about our constitution, or your rights under it, just do nothing.

    WE MUST HOLD CONGRESS ACCOUNTABLE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

  • JPW-

    Leo; you are such an imbecile it was’nt either just checking your mentality.Gotcha you Betcha!!

  • American liberal

    Lol… I figured the rightys in here would be taken In by this non poll… It’s a poll of anybody Not Democrat or republican…kind of a yawner..Of course Obama doesn’t do well in a poll of Hillbillys and wingnuts…

  • Raggs

    Donald duck will have a better chance than obama……

    • Dylan

      LOL Raggs, actually D.Duck voted for Obummer in the last election. His name was found on many ballots, as well as Minnie & Micky Mouse, Goofy, and a multitude of deceased people whose names were copied from grave stones by the illegal aliens that needed identities to vote.

  • Ross

    Ron Paul
    was treated badly at the last debate, they mostly ignored him and just focused on the two main candidates. According to what I have read Obama and his cohorts are implementing plans to INSURE that he gets re-elected.? Like I said before the Consituition says the Electoral College is the deciding factor on which Presidential candidate gets elected and also says the people will not be prohibited from the popular vote. Another article I read showed the popular vote did indeed show that Mc Cain won!???? was that a bogus article????
    That tells me we have no power in the polls! What say you????? anyone want to confirm or deny what I have read.?

    • Raggs

      I have heard and read the same….

  • http://verizon LaRebelle

    I can definitely see a non-party affiliated conservative such as Mr. Ron Paul becoming President in 2012. The current and previous administrations have frustated the American people, thus creating the Tea Party. As more unwanted reforms occur under the Obama Administration, the Tea Party will grow. I don’t trust the Republican Party to do any better, actually. It is too fragmented and hypocritical. It is high time for a unified third party which truly represents mainstreet Americans and upholds our Constitution, secures our borders, and restores traditional values.

  • http://www.theronpaulteaparty.com Elwar

    Ron Paul 2012 begins here…

    http://www.TheRonPaulTeaParty.com

    Pledge for this December 16th moneybomb supporting Ron Paul’s presidential run.

    Let’s kick this thing off!!!

  • Claire

    I saw Ron Paul on MSNBC last week. I made a point to watch. Good interview. I like Ron Paul. And yes, the media sure bypassed him during the campaign. Not fair. It would be great if he would run for the Presidency but I am afraid he would get the same treatment from the media.

  • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

    It doesn’t matter if the media ignores Ron Paul, WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA don’t need the media to tell us who to vote for.
    I also would happily give all my non-working time to work hard to get Ron Paul elected. I see him as our last hope to turn this liberal train wreck around. I must say I am encouraged to see so many people are waking up!!!

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest greg

      To the Ron Paul supporters. I belive many of the things Ron Paul says are right on the dot. He is conservative , believes you can’t spend what you don’t have and more taxes shouldn’t allow more spending.That being said,I fear his running would splinter the opposition to the worst President we are ever likly to see and lead to the re-election of him. WE know that Obama will probably get 95% of the black vote,85% of the Hispanic, 100% of the illeagal vote(acorn can muster up), 100% of liberals . What we must hope is that some Democrats will realize their mistake and vote for someone else this time around. 80% of first time voters in the age group of 18-24 voted for Obama. 95% of these paid NO TAXES due to A.little income, so recieved all taxes back as a refund,B.still live with parents,C.In college, not yet in workforce. D. Combination of A<B<C<D, E.All of the above. WE must hope some wake up. I remember in 1992 voting for a third party canidate because of the flat tax idea (still a good idea,another story)The few percentage of votes he recieved in some states was enough to alter the outcome and we ended with Bill Clinton.We can not do that again,or Obama will be re-elected .Remember some are convinced he walks on water and will lead them to prosperity at the expense of –well—someone .I like Ron Paul I also like Sarah Palin, however neither can be elected due to the blinders worn by liberals and the staunch Democrats (like my father)and the above mentioned groups who are still unable to see what direction this country is headed. Remember Dems far out number Repbs. Spliting off a third party will hurt the Repubican party more than the Democratic party I'm afraid Ron and his common sense ideas just aren't "FLAShY" enough to win. Finally in one poll conducted in 1996 40% of the women voters admitted voting for Bill Clinton because—ready—- "they liked his hair". Ron paul could not overcome this reasoning no matter how much sense he makes.We need a strong Rebublican canidate and then perhaps a third party can begin to organize AFTER the 2012 election.

      • American Conservative

        I agree with you both. What if Ron Paul could get a handsome young running mate? I know this sounds terrible in principle, but we have to get him elected! All we have to do is find a tall, eloquent, young, very handsome running mate who also holds to the same Constitutional ideals! This way, we can get people who vote with their minds and people who aren’t so adept in that area.

  • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

    Picking a Republican candidate that would be somewhat acceptable to the Democrats is what got us Obama in the first place. Your argument was word-for-word the basis used to run for McCain in 2008. Look how well that worked.
    It has not mattered for some time, who is in office, Republican or Democrat, the same agenda goes forward, because there is insufficient difference. It is time for change, not Obama’s style of change, but beneficial change. Ron Paul stands by the Constitution, which is where our liberties come from, we must get back to our roots.
    Ron Paul, according to recent polls, stands within the will of the people. If anyone chisels votes off the conservative majority, it will be the fake Republican candidate.

  • loriwy

    Ron Paul and Rubio.

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