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Poll: Most Americans Want Access To Guns, Support For Stricter Control Decreases

June 25, 2010 by  

Most Americans want access to guns, support for stricter control decreases, poll finds A new survey has found that most Americans believe in access to guns, and while pluralities prefer stricter gun control laws, the number of people holding this view has declined in recent years.

The poll was conducted last month by Harris Interactive and found that 45 percent of respondents favor stricter gun control. At the same time, the researchers noted that the percentage has fallen since 2008 when 49 percent felt that way.

Moreover, slightly more than 30 percent of Americans say they have a gun at home today, for an estimated 42 million households. Furthermore, a staggering 80 percent believe people should have access to rifles or shotguns as well as handguns (74 percent).

Finally, nearly half of those polled believe that unconcealed weapons should be allowed, with 45 percent having the same opinion with regard to concealed weapons.

The results come as the Illinois State Rifle Association prepares for its 8th Annual Open House on June 26.

The event will feature demonstrations of range facilities, displays of vintage military equipment as well as vintage and modern sporting firearms, and the opportunity for the public to test-fire the latest weapons. There will also be a press briefing regarding the McDonald v. Chicago case that is now being argued before the Supreme Court. ADNFCR-1961-ID-19854576-ADNFCR

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  • Al Sieber

    And why not? those against firearms simply don’t own them, but don’t take them away from the rest of us.

    • http://1972lenny@live.com larry maggard

      this i know!! there are no people against guns!!!! and if they were, just tell the police, when they show up at your door, in emergency, KEEP THOSE GUNS, AWAY FROM ME!!! you will see that everyone loves guns!!!!

  • Larry A

    Instead of complaining and wishing things were better, why don’t everyone go to Google, put in Renew America Plan with Tim Turner, and get a new hope on life. Also try Freedom Yell, while there read and listen to all you can find and see if you agree. It might be hard to believe that they could make it work, but they are. Study all the information there and become a believer and mover. Also click on LISTEN LIVE, you might get a recording but you will learn things you don’t already know. Then if you want to help, sign up to be a member in your state and start working with people who are doing something about our deplorable situation.

  • J.M.R.

    THE PRESENT GOVERNMENT DON’T WANT US BEING ABLE TO DEFEND OUR SELVES FROM THEM. WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE CRIMINALS THROUGH AND THROUGH. THAT PIECE OF SHIT IN THE WHITE IS CRIMINAL, I HOPE THE F.B.I. WILL FIND THE PROOF THEY NEED TO TAKE HIM TO PRISON WHERE HE BELONGS. JUST LIKE NOW THERE ARE TRYING TO SHUT US UP BY TAKING FREE SPEECH AWAY. THE HOUSE HAS DONE IT WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE ANTI SPEECH BILL. IF THE SENATE PASSES IT WERE SCREWED. ALSO LIKE IV’E SAID BEFORE THE 2008 ELECTIONS WAS AS CROOKED AS A DOGS HIND LEG, AND ITS SLOWLY BEING PROVEN.

    • revrat

      I sleep with my baby!! (:>)

  • James

    As a reminder: In the original Constitution (1789), the powers that were delegated to Congress (Article I, Section 8) made no mention of rights, and about half of the Founders believed that would suffice to prevent the new federal government from legislating over rights. However, others thought future congresses might misconstrue those powers, to include rights, and insisted upon adding a Bill of Rights (in 1791). The Preamble to the Bill of Rights reads:

    “THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.”

    Thus the stated purpose for the Bill of Rights was to add “restrictive clauses” “in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers” with respect to rights, where ‘its powers’ referred to the federal government. The Second Amendment reads:

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    Viewing the Second Amendment out of its Bill of Rights’ context has misled many to misconstrue its “shall not be infringed” as a proclamation to all governments, including state legislatures as well as Congress. But, just as the First Amendment’s “Congress shall make no law,” obviously applies exclusively to the federal government, so also does the Second Amendment.

    In Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243, 247 (1833), Mr. Chief Justice Marshall said: “The [U.S.] constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own government, and not for the government of the individual states…the fifth amendment must be understood as restraining the power of the general government, not as applicable to the states.”
    In United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1875), a mob of whites had disarmed two blacks (in Louisiana) and the issue was whether that action had violated the Second Amendment right of the blacks. Mr. Chief Justice Waite said: “This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government.”
    In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. ____ (2008), the U.S. Supreme Court said: “We consider whether a District of Columbia prohibition on the possession of usable handguns in the home violates the Second Amendment of the Constitution.” After meticulous analysis of every word and clause in the amendment, the Heller Court stated: “In sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense.”

    Just remember that that decision involved an ordinance of a territory (the District of Columbia), which falls under federal jurisdiction, it has no effect within the States. The Heller Court cited Barron, Cruikshank and other High Court decisions as precedents.
    Stated otherwise no State law has ever been held violative of the Second Amendment. In McDonald v. Chicago, the case now before the High Court, the issue is whether a state’s city ordinance, which prohibits handgun possession in a certain area, has violated the Second Amendment. Based upon previous High Court decision, it does not, but whether it violates the “liberty…without due process of law” clause, of the Fourteenth Amendment remains to be seen.

    The fact that the Supreme Court is taking considerable time to decide that case, is worrysome. If the Court should hold that the Chicago ordinance has violated the Second Amendment, that would convey a certain amount of regulatory power over the right to Congress, the very thing the amendment was designed to prevent. If it should decide that the Chicago ordinance has violated the “liberty” clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, that would extend regulatory power over the right to the Supreme Court – not likely, but…

    • Paul Pistol

      I do not intend to quibble with the erudite and lawyerly James; however, the 14th Amendment of the Constitution states:

      “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

      In other words the States cannot enact and enforce laws which usurp the rights of United States Citizens. I do not need a law degree to figure out that one, nor do I need to commit the fallacies of cherry picking and argumentum verbosium to refute this type of nonsense!

      • James

        Paul Pistol, Well put, that’s how the federal government wants us to view the 14th Amendment, and how most people do view it. But keep in mind, you are equating ‘rights’ with ‘privileges or immunities” and “life, liberty, or property.”

        First, the 14th Amendment made citizens of the just freed slaves, and certain ‘privileges or immunities’ were extended to them by the ‘United States’ (i.e., the federal gov’t) which some of the States were not recognizing. ‘Privileges’ are not rights.

        Back then, deprivation of ‘life,liberty or property’ simply meant execution, incarceration or ccnfiscation of property “without due process of law,” which some southern states were doing to blacks.
        Back then ‘liberty’ just meant not being incarcerated, unless by due process. Since then ‘liberty’ has been expanded to include the right of association (Brown v. Board of Education), the right of abortion (Roe v. Wade), and homosuxual rights (Lawrence v. Texas).

        Your statement: “States cannot enact and enforce laws which usurp the rights of United States citizens” is correct. But the remedy for that should it happen, lies in state constitutions, and their laws. Should that fail, then the U.S. Congress has power (14th Amend. Sec. 5) “to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.” That is, Congress has power to force a state to apply its laws equally.

        In McDonald v. Chicago, a city ordinance, which infringed on the right to bear arms, had violated that state’s constitution, which forbids same. The Supreme Court could hold that such ordinances violate some citizen’s right to bear arms, but not others, and force Illinois to apply its laws equally. Or Congress could do so by appropriate legislation, but that has nothing to do with to whom the Bill of Rights’s restrictions apply.

      • James

        Paul P. Yesterday, the Supreme Court decided McDonald v. Chicago, and held: “We therefore hold that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment right in Heller. The judgement of the Court of Appeals is reversed, and the case is remanded for further proceedings. It is so ordered.”

        Mr. Justice Alito wrote the opinion, in which Mr. Chief Justice Roberts, and Justices Scalia and Kennedy joined. The Court held that Cruikshank, Miller and other precedents didn’t prevent them from doing that. This will make a lot of rifle associations and gun groups happy, but what the Court did, by fixing he right to the Second Amendment (the opinion used the expression “Second Amendment right” many many times) was to fix the ‘right’ to the amendment, and usurp state control over it. Now, Congress will be free to regulate the right within the states, and when such regulations are challenged in court, the Supreme Court will decide whether such regulations are reasonable. This is the beginning of the end of the right.

    • Vicki

      I will quibble with James. If the founding fathers had meant that congress shall make no law…. with respect to fire arms they would have said congress shall make no law…. Oh they did. First amendment not 2nd.

      Clearly by its very wording they ment that NO GOVERNMENT shall infringe upon our right to the best tools for self defense.

      Also the argument that the 2nd is only for the militia is not a serious problem for gun ownership because all of the people are in the militia.
      (there were age and sex limitations in the early days but we have progressed beyond those silly limitations.

      Also as mentioned the 14th amendment extends all of the Bill of Rights limitations to state and local government.

      • James

        Vicki, the only reason the States didn’t repeat “Congress shall make no law respecting…prohibiting…or abridging” in the other first eight amendments is because it would have sounded silly. Remember the Bill of Rights was all one document. The Ninth Amendment said the enumeration of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others. The Tenth Amendment reminded Congress that “powers not delegated to the United States…are reserved to the States…or the people.” The last two amendments would make no sense at all if viewed separately from the first eight.

  • Matt

    We should at least get that to 75% in favor off guns!

  • s c

    Criminals understand that you can’t be free if you’re forced to live on your knees and beg. It should not be any surprise that criminals KNOW how to get weapons – regardless of whether or not that method is ‘legal.’
    It takes a devolving, warped mind to cater to criminals and at the same time gleefuly violate the constitutional RIGHTS of law-abiding people who refuse to endure slavery. But then, progressives and elected vermin can live with anything, as long as THEY don’t have to endure it themselves.
    When they feel like they have targets on their backs and they have to hide is when they will finally ‘get it.’ Let them learn the hard way. America never needed them. No free country can afford to tolerate them.

  • godi38

    This mentality shows the primitive condition our folks. Arguments are so primitive like the weapon’s solution. 450 years of cheaper civilization advance. Really nothing has changed since 1763. Really, everyone that is a weapons-lover doesn’t love America really is a coward hypocritical. No education…then weapon’s solution!

    • TIME

      Godie 38,
      You sound like someone who may be missing lunch down at the rubber room. Get back to the Care Center and get your meds before you go Postal.
      Thanks and you have a good day ok. ;-)

    • John

      G38,
      In a sick way I kind of love it when you left wing morons display your ignorance. On the other hand, it’s despicable that people like you are allowed to vote. Because of morons like you we have the same mentality of morons running or should I say ruining this country.

      Oh by the way, I am educated and I recently took delivery of my new Kimber 1911.

    • bbstacker

      Godi38;
      Those who would give up Freedom for a little security will end up with neither Freedom or security. Self-Reliance is a truly American value. Criminals observe no rules, laws or appeasers. Remember, Teddy Kennedy’s car has killed more people than all of my guns. You have no clue about American Heritage, and the Freedoms that were won by the blood shed by brave souls April 19, 1775. The Founders knew far better of the perils that democracy would bring, and sought to give us a Constitutional Republic so that you have the Freedom to choose what you do with your life within the law, but do not have the “priviledge” you so want to infringe upon my Freedoms. Yet, you cannot fathom the immense wealth of individuality that America was built upon. Shame on you for never learning the truth. Open your eyes and your mind.

    • JC

      Right out of the Hitler / Stalin playbook.

    • JC

      I have a question for you godi38.

      How is it that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is morally superior to the woman explaining to the Police how her attacker recieved a fatal gun shot wound?

      You know nothing about civility or morality so button it.

    • Bull

      Spoken like a true New World Order lover. Peace through anarchy. Then we can all lick the boots of our masters together in the fetal position…

  • Hoss

    Well Godi38; you don’t sound too educated yourself. Your grammer is deplorable. Our Military has been using weapons for years to protect YOUR rights! The Police use weapons to protect your life and your RIGHTS! You sound like a bleeding heart Liberal! “who wants to buy the world a coke and live in perfect harmony” take off your rose colored glasses and wake up to reality. You must think “Peter Pan” and never land is real!

    • Budokai

      Well said, Hoss.

      We must not forget that the 2nd Amendment is also in place to protect us from TYRANNY!!!

  • gary

    godi38, you must be on dope, or just plain stupid, or maybe both.

  • bob pa

    remember he who gives up a right to secure safety will surely lose both.

    • nj pearson

      Yep .It isn’t about wanting guns, it’s now about needing guns.

  • SOPHIA

    wow godi38…..if you knew how to formulate a proper sentence and use proper grammar, we might be able to take what you say just a tiny bit more seriously. You don’t even have subjects and verbs in each sentence. I am educated and can speak in whole sentences quite well. I am not a barbarian and I love my country. I own several guns. We use them to hunt, to protect our livestock, and to protect ourselves if necessary.

    I recently saw a program on one of the cable channels about gangs in North America. Do you want to talk about primitive?? Lets just say that some of these folks came to YOUR door and knocked it down to take whatever they want and probably maim or kill you in the process. Are you going to take the time to explain to them about how primitive they are and tell them they are uneducated? Or would you prefer to have an armed police force that might be able to protect you? Obviously, you are not going to own any guns. That would be “coward hypocritical.”

  • http://LibertyDigest Michael G.

    Boy! One really dumb remark draws a rebuke, which it should. The military is our first line around the world. The police are the dometic first line. You and I are the font door step first line. My defense there is in depth. You get past the first line, then there is a second, a third, and a fourth. Finally it would be hand to hand. My family has been here in American before it was a country, so don’t tell me about my home defense mechanisms. Of course education is a good one, but not everyone buys into that one. So we have to start someplace. This is one YOU should leave alone.

    • Vicki

      The police are the cleanup crew. The intended victim is ALWAYS first on the scene and therefor the first line of defense. Always remember that when seconds count the police are minutes away.

  • Danny Terry

    IF WE LET THEM NO GOOD SOB’S TAKE OUR GUNS IT WILL BE THE END OF OUR RIGHTS AND OUR COUNTRY..PUT A STOP TO ALL THIS.. VOLT OUT THE MUSLIMS AND COMMIE’S…WE HAVE TO MANY GUN CONTROLS LAWS..YOU CAN’T EVEN GO HUNTING OR THE FIRING RANGE WITHOUT RISK OF BEING ARRESTED FOR A GUN IN YOUR CAR..FOR SOME REASON THE COPS THINK THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE’S THAT CAN CARRY A GUN SAFLY…WHY IS THAT? DON’T GET RID OF GUNS, GET RID OF GANGS AND BAD GUYS AND THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEM…IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

  • Bruce Eden

    “You cannot invade the mainland United States.
    There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

    - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
    (Japanese Imperial Navy–WWII)

    And, it also applies to our own government. If our own government ever attempts to institute martial law, they will be met with the same type of force as an invading enemy.

  • JC

    The argument in and of itself is a silly as the average liberal socialist.
    Gun Control is not about guns…it’s about control.
    We have the natural, inherent, inalienable right to defend ourselves, our families and our property…PERIOD!
    I don’t need a man made law to understand that and neither should anyone else.

    • Vicki

      Not just to defend but to possess the best tools for that job.

  • Alan

    2nd Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” and that means “.” period! That means all governments: Local, state and Federal must never infringe on our right to own firearms “period”. Any bill or law that regulate or abolishes this right is absolutely “illegal”. Any “assault weapons ban”, gun registry, any additional taxation of any kind on weapons/ammo/accessories or etc is illegal according to our United States Constitution. This is dispicable what the progressive/commie democrats make stupid laws about a fundamental right to defend ourselves, our homes, our family or any innocent victim from a murderous crime. TRUE SLAVERY AND TYRANNY IS making laws that deny the American people their right to life, liberty, or property (persuit of happiness). We as true Americans and lovers of freedom must unite and defend our country and our US Constitution from tyranny and VOTE THE FECAL HEADS OUT OF OFFICE!!!!

  • bob pa

    THEY ALSO FORGET THAT THE NINTH AND TENTH THAT ALL RIGHT NOT MENTIONED IN THE CONSTITUTION ARE FOR THE STATES OR THE PEOPLE. i CONTEND THAT IT IS THE PEOPLES RIGHT. LET US USE OUR RIGHTS AND LET OUR REPRESTATIVES KNOW WE ARE GETTING OUR GUNS AND POWDER READY.

    • Vicki

      The 9th and 10th say all POWERS not rights. Government can not have any rights by definition. Governments have powers that the governed ALLOW the government the authority to use.

      One of the big deals about our Constitution is that our forefathers set the Constitution to LIMIT what powers we the people might try and authorize our government to use. That is why the proper definition of our system of government is a Constitutionally Limited Republic.

      Always remember that PEOPLE have rights. Governments are allowed SOME powers.

      • Vicki

        OOps I ment the 10th amendment not 9th and 10th

  • bobinpa.

    Did anyone ever think after all the Blood and Treaure we have spent in tnis “Greatest Nation in the History of the World”, WE would have SIGNS on American SOIL {Arizona} WARNING American Citizens that it is not SAFE to be in that area because of “ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS” in the area??? And we have an Incompetent, Unqualified, Empty-Suit, Communist, Marxist, Closet-Muslim,Lying, Bastard in the White House that just continues to spout LIES and Phoney Marxist BS. All this Phoney Political Correctness, and Left Wing Anti- American garbage that these Marxist/Stalin worshippers spout has finally showed these Anti-American LICE for what they are. It’s time for Real Americans to take OUR country back from these”Socialist Dirtbags”. This Kenyan RagHead we have in the White House has put a “Rules of Engagement” policy in Afghanistan that puts OUR Marines and Soldiers at RISK, and PROTECTS the RagHead civilians and Taliban. And he has signs put up on American soil warning of the Foreign Nationals ILLEGALS, instead of sending Troops down therer and Kicking Mexican A$$.

    • JC

      I think you’re on the right track, but you should probably stop using terms like rag head unless you want to be seen as wearing a pointy white hood.
      You aren’t wearing one of those are you?

    • Bull

      Why isn’t the State of AZ is not putting there own National Guard Units down there? That to me signals a real problem. If we don’t hold the tenants of what we are as American’s, we fail to America. Lets get it together folks!

      • Al Sieber

        Obama’s delaying it.

        • Vicki

          Send the state militia. The national guard is under the fedgov

          • Mike In MI

            Vicki – There’s nothing to send. It’s probably all under the control of the Feds, Army or U.N. in some undeclared war, police action, peace keeping mission under the U.N. or NATO, aid and comfort action as in Haiti (or elsewhere) or off on some secret mission to provide personal security to Obumbler’s extended family in Timfuctoo south of Sauerbratten. While there our soldiers are under the command of some degenerate foreign general who got his rank from a payment to a Muslim Undersecretary General intent on destroying Americans. This would only be true because we “owe” the U.N. and every enemy we are aware of – thanks to our government’s habituation to credit.

  • jopa

    BBstacker; You forgot Laura Bushes car killed more people than all of my guns.

    • JeffH

      …then perhaps the anti-car liberals should get cars banned…

      • Mike In MI

        …Unless they’re electric, sun-powered, sex poodle advocated, push-mobile “cars” that (if you own ‘em) show how much you care.

  • bobinpa.

    PS- Oh Yeah, I almost forgot. And we don’t even know if this Kenyan Closet Muslim is even an American.

    • Mike In MI

      Hell, bobinpa, -
      Why else do you think he’s pushing so hard for a universal right to citizenship via the comprehensive voter recruiting act that we think seems to be aimed at illegal aliens, from where ever, coming in through the southern border. If it passes – VOILA – he’s legal. Then, he can declare us unworthy and disenfranchise US. That’ll spread the wealth.

  • Raggs

    Take my gun’s…. I dare you!

    • JC

      From my cold dead fingers?
      Me too.

      • Jim H.

        JC. Always hand over your guns bullets first. Instead of my cold dead hands, I prefer them pulling my hot lead from there cold dead butt.

        • JC

          Or as Gen. Patton (one of my heros) said, “Make the other bastard die for what HE believes in”

          • Norman

            Yes! My “HERO” also!

          • DBM

            SPARTICUS

  • bobinpa.

    JC- When an American Marine or Soldier looks down the sights of his M-16/M-4 and see’s the ENEMY in Iraq or Afghanistan, What does he see??? A RagHead. Please do me a favor and keep your politically correct B.S. to yourself.

    • JC

      Fine Bob, you go ahead and help the socialists call us racists.
      One thing is for sure, I will not support you or anyone like you with your low brow attitude. I’m no fan of radical muslims either and
      I’m not being PC…I’m being practical and trying to win hearts and minds…you on the other hand are simply offensive. But that’s your privelege isn’t it?

      • Al Sieber

        JC, this war has gone on 2 times longer then WW2, and it’ll last forever, according to the PNAC, and you know who that is.

        • JC

          Yep! The Project for a New American Century, setting the stage for The New World Order. Man my blood ran cold when I saw George HW Bush say that on TV.

          • Mike In MI

            Welcome to the world of the conservative talk shows and the politicians they favor. Who do you think owns the airwaves and controls the dialogues on those shows…specially the BIGGIES? Propaganda can be used to draw out the dissenters, too! Mouthpieces are very useful in many ways.

  • bobinpa.

    JC- I spent time in a Place called Viet-Nam in 65, 67-68 in the 3rd and 1st Marine Divisions. This Hearts and Minds stuff was tried then and it Didn’t work, and they are trying it again now in Iraq and Afghanistan. And it won’t work. How about we win the War first, Kill and destroy the enemy FIRST. And then we can all get together and have a “People to People” Kombyya session. Whatcha think?? Sound Good?? “You Betcha”.

    • JC

      Bob, trying to lump me in with the liberals or hippies simply won’t work, I’m neither one.
      Thank you for your service in Nam, I’m sure you managed to kill a few “Gooks”.
      Now let’s take your theory for a walk…
      If the people in front of the M-16 are Ragheads…who are we there to defend? The other Ragheads?
      And if we are to hold these Ragheads in contempt, and they are all “Ragheads” why are we even there?
      And sinse we are there…I, like you want to know, why aren’t we allowed to win?
      Seems to me that we are there for corporate interests…not winning hearts and minds.
      All I’m saying is that your attitude gives the Hillary’s of the world…(now there’s your hippies)… all the ammunition they need to go around doing what they do.

      So carry on. I’ll be busy being an American trying to put us back on the path to the Constitution and you can represent the far right.
      Have a nice day.

      • Rob Alexander

        As Ron Paul often points out, we left Vietnam and look what happened… They are now a trading partner of ours.

    • JC

      BTW…apologies for the Gook reference…it was uncalled for.

  • bobinpa.

    Oh yeah, I forgot, How come after World War-2 When we joined the United Nations, every war we got involved in, we were not allowed to WIN. This one we’re in now is NO Exception. And you know what?? They ALL introduced this “Winning Hearts and Minds”, instead of “Winning the WAR”. Have a nice day.

    • Don

      Just for the record, we did not “win” WWII. We did win against Hitler, but we only beat the Communist back for a while. If we had won WWII altogether, Korea nor Vietnam would have happened.
      We have not WON a war since the Alamo.

      WWII was political postering, just like Korea and Vietnam. The American Citizens wanted nothing to do with these wars, but our leaders saw some personal gain and wrangled us into them, just like what is going on today.

  • http://2artsantore@charter.net Art Santore

    I attended a four year school on defence, with thirteen months in a foreign country helping those who wanted freedom and they lost their freedom because they didn’t have a gun of their own. But I’ll be damed if I will stand on American soil and not have a gun to defend it, when so many of out troops are over seas trying to help other find their freedom. This is one Marine who has never been deactivited from military service, got on a plane and flew back to the USA and never was told to not ever pick up a weapon again to defend MY country. Better add to the AARP and the NRA the Military who stand as todays minutemen ready to defend.
    Stop all aid to overseas actions bring our troops home and stop spendind on US help that is not wanted from the USA. Let them now take charge as we must to stop expences to all other country, we need hte money ourself or roads,electrical power and water system, bridges, dams, all need attention and we do nothing to help ourself. Something is wrong and it needs to be made right.

  • Raggs

    I have some idea of how many of you feel.

    Speaking for myself, I am totally sick of obama and his push towards communism.. As far as I’m concerned he can take a leap into the neverland since he has no belief in God, I feel he deserves no pitty for his actions to “socialize” America. If you agree that he is doing the right thing than likewise you deserve no pitty.

    It is as simple as the nose on your face, if you think obama is the “messiah” than you deserve him.

    I however find him in contempt and worthy of nothing else than treason.

    • Dan

      Amen

      • Norman

        Amen . . . . and AMEN!

  • bobinpa.

    JC- Sorry I am late with a response. I had to take my Pups out for their run. I am not trying to lump you in with Liberals and Hippies. You are entitled to you opinion just like everybody else. We have a difference of opinion or ideology. I spent a lot of time in Asia in my career, made many friends in Japan, Okinawa, the Philippines,etc. Our Children were born in Hawaii. But having said that, I have nothing but complete dislike and contempt for Islam. Beheadings, Honor Killings, Stonings, etc, etc. Anyway, Take care, and I do respect your opinion. Hope there are no Hard feelings.

    • JC

      No, no hard feelings Bob. I despise Islam too.
      Maybe I’m a little hung up on the “moral high ground” thing.
      What kind of dogs ya got? I have 5 labs who love to hunt.

      • Claire

        JC–Five dogs!! Labs!! Wonderful!!

    • JC

      In fact, at the range the other day a saw a sticker in the window of a Jeep. It was a silhouette of a man standing and aiming a rifle.
      Underneath it said “Major League Infidel”
      I want one!

      • Jim H.

        JC, Just Google “major league infidel”. You can order stickers, tee shirts and hats.

        • JC

          Cool Thanks!

  • chuck b

    we are engaging an enemy in afghanistan and iraq that we will never be able to fully control. if we declared war and used the same tactics as ww2 then niether iraq or afghan could survive and the war would have ended long ago. the same was true with vietnam and this kind of war started with korea, we ended up with thousands killed and nothing to show for it. the democrats are great for these kind of wars and we should use their tactic and start protesting and demand the war be ended. this is not a football game and i believe some of our radio talk show hosts have this mentality. we can’t win under the circumstances and even if we do, what do we win except another dependent country on our welfare role. lets bring our troops home and drive the illegal mex and muslim out of the country. if we don’t then most certainly in the coming days we will be fighting for our country right heere in the u.s.a.

    barry soetoro is not a closet muslim, he is one. he worships at the altar of islam.

  • bobinpa.

    JC- 5 Labs, Mercy, Thats a full time job in itself just taking care of them.haha Thats Great. No, I just have my two, Sammy the “Samoyed”, and the little 13 inch Beagle “Snoopy”. Thats all I can handle for now .haha, It’s been so hot herein the 90′s I have to wait till it gets cooler to take them out. Take care and have a Great Weekend.

    • JC

      Thanks Bob, you too.

  • bobinpa.

    OOOpps, Forgot to mention, You know Muslims don’t like Dogs either, they think they are “Unclean”.

  • http://gmail i41

    chuckb, every state had better add a safe guard like Olka. is doing, to keep the pedophile muslim udeology worshippers at bay, the sorry bastards are going to claim religious freedom with the saharia law crap, it will happen when they beat, kill or rape, their females. The bearded asses will try and pull it off, either in Mich, or some large group of the freaks enclave. The marxist muslim moron and his questionable communist terrorists in charge, everyone had better start stocking ammo and all the firepower they can get with the 2 liberal pukes on the sup. crt. and communist democrats in congress with their muslim marxist call their marching orders.

  • jopa

    bobinpa;Thank you very much for clearing our President of all the muslim name calling on this site. He loves his dog BO like a true Christian.

  • Bull

    “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
    the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed.”
    Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

    Not sure what the words “SHALL NOT” mean, other than- keep your hands off my guns and GOD GIVEN right to defend myself.
    FYI, I don’t need an Amendment or a Constitution to defend myself, property, or loved ones. Case closed… just like the Constitution is finished business. If there are those whom seek to change it, please feel free to Amend it through proper channels and laws, or by what seems to be going on now, which is a tyrannical takeover of the country, by it’s own power structure, corrupted and blind by the power TEMPORARILY granted them, by WE THE PEOPLE. If they refuse to hand that power back, it is a revolution and that is the purpose of the first part of the 2nd Amendment.

    • Vicki

      Just keep in mind that Creator given rights pre-exist the Constitution and do not go away just because some people get an amendment to repeal one.

      One of the defining moments of the Revolutionary war was the actions of the colonists when King George sent his men to confiscate the arms of the colonists. There was no 2nd amendment (yet) but the colonists knew their rights and used firearms to defend them.

  • http://gmail i41

    bobinpa, I think it is just like dogs and hogs both. Muslim do like baby girls and anty boysd under 10. The anal pced feel good smucks that think if the USA would just talk and understand the bastards, the world would be wonderful. Any muslim only understands one thing, you kill one of us just for craps and giggles, we will dispose at least 10 of you to one. Everytime we dispose one of theirs, on the battle feild, give the body a Christan burial in a hog hide linrd box. I really think muslims are so fanatical they would be staying clear of anything USA made if it was wiped in lard. Pershing poured bacon grease over the shells when fighting the bastards. When I worked in Denver there are several muslim run sdtores and muslim workers in major stores, so I tried to get a box of bacon ends and peices , open the box and check the packaging, and then go looking for a muslim cashier or let them see me rubbing the box on the cart. they wull give you a wide berth.

  • bobinpa.

    JOPA- Whats this “Our” President crap. You have a rat in your Burqa?? I don’t even believe The LYING JOKER is an American.

    • JC

      Absolutely right…what do you mean “Our President”?
      He’s an imposter and the dog is for “show”.

      • Jim H.

        JC, At least the DOG has it’s papers.

  • http://VP Jon Luce

    You are all right about the white house,all you leftist out there that voted for Obama, should have had the brains to know you elected a Muslim to lead you! How dumb can you get!!
    Anyone that will spend millions of dollars to cover up his true identity and will not show his Kenyon Birth Certificate, and is trying to legalize illegals coming across Arizonas border to shoot anyone that stands in their way. They are now within 80 miles of Phoenix and not much in their way. Obama is trying to sue the state for trying to defend itself, maybe they will shoot a couple of his drug dealers and he dosn’t want that! Besides he already has their SS cards made up so they can vote for him and Peloski, who should be taking commercial transportation not demanding her own plan and crew.We need to get rid of all the deadbeats in the Senete and Congress. If they won’t use the insurace they passed in the middle of the night( non of them read it, 2700+ pages) get rid of them, and no more free golden retirement. Have them pay into SS like everyone else
    and 2-4 year terms max., we need to take our Country back, starting in November! Bring the troops home and deploy them along our borders before it’s too late. The only thing Obama learned was, money talks and BS walks. That he learned in the Chicago mafia and got him going.
    Have you noticed that anyone who tries to expose him disappears.It’s time to clean the house and lets start in November before there is nothing left. God Bless the USA

  • Marilyn

    NRA sold us out. Same as AARP sold us out. These National Gun groups will not have anything to say about the 2nd Amendment when the screwballs in Washington want all guns thrown into a melting pot. Of course, NRA will be exempt…so they think. They sided with the Disclosure Act to be exempted when it comes to the confiscation of all guns.

    Perhaps all melted guns could be made into a statue of B. Obama and placed in the new Mosque near Ground Zero? That would be “befitting.”
    Muslims like to erect Mosques where they have been triumph in killing people who do not believe as they do. Good place for Obmama statue.

    • independant thinker

      “All restriction on political speech is repugnant,” Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the gun owners’ group, told USA TODAY.

      “Am I happy that the NRA’s tongue is not cut for the 2010 … elections? Absolutely,” he said. “Do we still think this bill is unconstitutional? Absolutely.”

      Read the first sentence and the last, does not sound like a sellout to me. The NRA exemption was included in the bill to try and stop NRA opposition to it and was done by the Democrats writing the bill it was not asked for by the NRA.

  • jopa

    boobinpa; No rat but we sure are lucky to have such a great president who is so respected home and abroad.Hopefully in time you will come around and see President Obama’s true greatness.You have to shop around for the facts to get a clear picture of reality not just rely on one or two tv stations like FOX & Al Jazeera.

  • jopa

    JC; Speaking of shows do you remember that goofy cowboy from Texas always running back to his stage prop ranch trying to look like Ronald Reagan.Did you really fall for that crap that guy pulled on all of you. lol Would love to have a beer with him for the laughs.

    • JC

      Once again, no idea what you’re talking about are you even from this planet?
      And The kenyan is the laughing stock of the world by the way…and he’s made America weaker than she’s ever been, may he burn in hell.

  • chuck b

    jc

    i think jopa, tak loufer, ed and michael just crossed the arizona border from the middle east. they are a little confused having lost their rugs in the desert. so they are a little incoherent.

  • GRANDPA TERRY R

    it is my opinion THAT IF WE GIVE THIS AWAY IF WE NEED IT OR NOT IT WILL BE LIKE LOOSING THE 2ND AMMENDMENT OF OUR CONSTITUTION. IF EVER WE DID GIVE IT UP WE CAN DEPEND ON CRIMINALS STILL HAVING GUNS. TOO MANY TIMES IT HAS BEEN NECESARY FOR THE INNOCENT TO OWN A GUN. ENGLAND AND AUSTRALIA AND CANADA HAVE ALL EXPRESSED IT A BIG MISTAKE TO HAVE GIVEN UP T5HEIR WEAPONS. I HAVE BELONGED TO THE AMERICAN RIFFLE ASSOC MANY TIMES. THEY HAVE KEPT US UP WITH THE LAWS. CHARLES HESTON SAID IT MANY TIMES THAT5 WE NEED IT AS LONG AS WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION. dURRING THE CIVIL WAR THERE WAS ONE OVER EVERY FIREPLACE. IT CAME IN HANDY WHEN WAR BROKE OUT IN AMERICA. WITH THE TERRORISTS HERE WE NEVER KNOW WHEN IT MAY HAPPEN AGAIN. WILL YOU BE HERE TO PROTECT ME.?? I KINDA THINK NOT. POLICE CAN’T PROTECT US NOW AS IT IS. bESIDES i HAVE OFTEN HAD FUN SHOOTING MY PISTOL AT THE RANGES. WHEN I WAS A YOUNGSTER I WENT SHOOTING IN OUR BACK YARD. QUITE USEFULL TO KILL THYE BAD BIRDS THAT ATE OUR GARDENS. WHO WILL PROTECT MY GARDEN NOW.? IT IS ALL HOW YOU LOOK AT OUR RIGHTS. READ OUR 2ND AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION. PRISONS ARE NOT PROTECTING US ENOUGH AS IT IS. HOW CAN WE KNOW WE ARE SAFE.?

    PATRIOT TERRY R.

  • http://gmail i41

    My grandkids,both granddaughters and grandsons are shooting, at least by four with single shot .22. Usually their mom or dad are with them until they are at least 9. Since most live on ranches or have grandparents and aunts or uncles ranches. The ones who live in cities, go to shooting ranges, which their military parents still practice target shooting. The reason the pc’ed crowd don’t like guns, because a crimminal might get shot dead, and schools have created a bunch of pansy asses. I like to see every person have at least 4 firearms a peice, with reloading tools and plenty of supplies. Sooner or later, the muslim ideology morons, will get a bug up their rears, and acting up. Start with the long guns and keeep working down the line.

  • 2ndAmend.Sacred

    I am a true believer that our right to keep and bear arms to defend against oppression and tyranny continues to be as paramount today, as it was when our Nation’s Founders wisely installed the Second Amendment.
    However, after reading all of this discussion, I see that many have broken the “comment policy” at the beginning. There has been racism, name calling, close to profanity– if not outright profanity, slanderous comments and unfounded accusations of some being Communists or Muslims, mostly after Godi38′s comments. I have to agree in part, with JC.— The obvious ignorance, hatred, and racism I read from some here, plays right into the hands of the misguided anti-gunners and those who advocate “new/one world order” and justifies their plans!
    Religious or patriotic extremism/hatred is no more justified for Christians or Americans, than for Muslims. True Islam, nor True Christianity are at fault. Both believe in Alah or Yahweh(the name is just different due to different languages), and in GOOD rather than EVIL. The hatred and killing is because there are ignorant extremists on both sides that use twisted versions of their religions or Patriotism to justify their extremist hatred, which is born out of fear and insecurity, the belief that the other is “different”. — Remember “Freedom”? –Freedom is the tolerance/allowance of differences, — and the cornerstone, the very concept our Nation was founded on– Including freedom of religion! The Ignorance that arises from fear of differences has always led to oppression, the need for power and control over others; and that has always led to war.
    I believe Republicans, Democrats, Commununists, Muslims, Christians, people of all Nations, religions, and races want peace and the best for their children and the future of this world, but simply have different beliefs of how to bring it about.
    Until then I WILL hold on to my guns until they pry them from my cold dead fingers, to protect and defend freedom, including the freedom of those who are different than me, or disagree with me— but will not hesitate to use my guns to defend from them(including city, county, state, federal, foreign, terrorists, or “New World Order”)if they try to take my freedom or my right to keep and bear arms — which was and still is the ultimate purpose of the Second Amendment.

  • http://gmail i41

    2ndAmend, Islam isn’t a religion it is an ideology, Allah is a moon mud god. The first part of the Koran, is mohamad’s BS idea of getting a following, when he was hunting for baby girls, he took peices of all the religions, he came in contract with, when he went to Medina, which was at the time more like San Freak City. With enough freaks following him, Mohamad realized he could, with his followers go in to any settlement, and tell the inhabants to convert, or die. As his goons leap frogged around, they became a major “religion” ideology. The house “hut” that held the figurines, Mohamad beleved gods controlled every thing in the sand box with over 360 clay figurines. Mohmad destroyed all others, but Allah “the moon god”, check out muslim country’s flag and look for the cresent moon and/or a star. You are beleiving the socialist media BS, that islam is peaceful and just like Christanty, to be a Muslim, you disavow the first part of the koran, the sing song poems first part. This was mohamad’s first 10 or 12 years when e was creating the ideology. The later part is when he went to Medina. and started getting realy whacked out on power. Just like Jim Jones, did with his group. “Allah” is not a kind god, he is harsh judgemental pipe dream at all times. He wants you to kill everyone who will not convert and if you die in his fight,shuzzam!! you have 72 virgins, didn’t say male or female! Islam is one “relegion”,that has not had another person witnessing, mohamad receiving any devined guidance, except what mohamad claimed in his opium dream land. My favorite one, is “to blow you nose when you wake up”,my what a good idea, with blowing sand and camel dung plugging your beaks. This was from claasses on “What is Islam”, taught by a former 55 year old muslim from Iraq. When asked why muslim males seem to go after American women, his comment was, first it isd media’s BS veiws, and women over here beleive it is exzotic and excitingand they have right over there like they do here. Our veiw, everyone can worship as they want to and we all do our own thing. His comment was muslim will never assemalate in to our society but work to tear it down and convert or kill us. He used our prisons as examples, and also how Lebenon was takem over by muslims, Lebanon’s Constitution was modeled after our’s on representation of the public, until the muslim came in with their 5 wives and out reproduced the Christans. We already see the bastard diaper heads, pushing Sharia law in the USA, as an under handed way to screw with the USA. On a previous post someone commented what a rtaghead see when shooting a non muslim, they see satan. The lesban bitch Kagan is pushing for more “religious understanding”, she will look good in a burka. I’m surprised the queers and steers group, think muslim ideology is so great, muslim countries don’t have issues like we do here. The speaker, said Omuslim is really just following the Koran’s guidance, since the effects will not be felt for several decades. I know that when I read of people whining about someone call the facts, as they really are. then media and PC crowd have sucked you in. The Koran teaches the bastards it is OK to to lie and fraudulantly deal with non muslims, still admire the pedophile worshipper? Wake you PCed crowd or you will not be able to talk when the murderous pukes carve another set of lips under you chin!

  • jopa

    JC & Cluck I mean chuck.I forgot about your lack of brainpower.I was referring to George Bush on his stage prop ranch in Texas when he was your leader.Which one of you two guys played banjo in the movie Deliverance??

  • jopa

    PS; I do support gun ownership and do not see a need for stricter controls.Most of the anti gun people never owned or even fired any rounds to know what they are missing.They have the so called fear of the unkown.

    • Vicki

      They fear inanimate objects. It is really sad.
      Years ago I did successfully work with a liberal and
      helped them overcome this debilitating fear.
      She is now a happy and well regulated (practiced) gun owner
      and ever much healthier without the irrational fear.

  • chuck b

    jopa

    oh! i remember you now, in the movie deliverance you were the one on your knees, sorry i forgot!

  • jopa

    Chuckb;Good comeback lol

  • http://gmail i41

    (words removed for offensive content) The working taxpayers oick up the tab for the lazy assed welfare rats and do nothing non productive government agencies morons. tak, tak loufer, ed, micheal, and jopa are just moron socialist communist democrat jackasses. They are muslim lovers and wants the USA to be just like a dick-tatership run by a bunch of crap brained idoits. With gun sales still climbing the socialist communistsd do not like the facts of the public disappointment and disgust with the democrats veiws. Everyone know what the liberals think!

  • jopa

    The whole country was on their knees when Bushwhacker was in office.

  • jopa

    You should go back to your banjo the only thing I could make out in your last statement was (moron) must be your middle name.You sound a little mentally challenged or are the last two words too long for you to understand.Now do,nt be mean I only say nice things about you.

    • Bob Wire

      jopa, he does that on all his post. He and one or two others write that way, some kind of altered English of sorts. I’m left to suppose they understand each other, of sorts?

      I never can understand much of it either, don’t think I’m suppose too! You’ve got to be on the “inside” and “cool” and have a decoder ring.

      I guess English just is not good enough for them. Or they haven’t acquired the skills, so they make up their own, much like Ebonics among ethnic blacks.

      In any case, it’s mostly hateful talk and not feeling we’re missing a lot.

      I was slow to pull this Thread up, thinking who could possibly disagree? I have nothing to contest or add. After reading it I feel no different.

  • http://GMIAL.COM Vanessa

    I am proud to say that I own guns and I hunt. People want to demonized and demoralize people who own guns. I grew up around guns all my life. My father and brothers all hunt and own guns. As a child I never was allowed to play with them because I was taught to respect them. I always knew about gun safety and I took a a hunters safety course when I got my hunting license I am also taking a concealed carry class. Personally I think that gun safety should be taught in schools. I remember when I was in Junior High a police officer and a conservation officer came to the school and taught us gun safety. Basically they displayed a shot gun, a rifle, and a handgun and talked about the differences and stressed how that these were weapons and not toys and if we saw one to leave it alone and if we were to shoot to have adult supervison. I think that the gun laws that are in place are enough it is time for comman sense which I am sorry to say in this day and age are lacking.

  • jopa

    Boob Wire; your too young to understand

    • chuck b

      jopa

      now we can agree on something. “boob wire”, good one and it fits.

  • Gobig50

    I represented criminal defendants for 21 years. I graduated from a top 10 law school in 1973.
    I buy a case of ammo(usually 2000, but sometimes 1000) rounds every month. I know how criminals think after 21 years. I retired when I could not stand it anymore.

    • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

      Have you noticed that the price of ammo (especially .223 long rifle) has skyrocketed in the past year or so? I’m beginning to wonder if the criminal cartel running our government has slipped a stealth tax in on us to price ammo out of range of an increasingly p*ssed-off populace. Either that, or the gun dealers are getting greedy and taking advantage of the current political climate.

      • Denniso

        Girl, are you just learning about capitalism? Supply and demand? All the fearmongering for the last several years about the world collapsing or Obama taking away your precious little guns has driven up demand for both guns and ammo, so the capitalist munitions industry does what all good capitalists do,raise prices…you people have driven up your own costs by being paranoid and fearful of your own shadows…then you have the ignorance to blame the gov’t.

  • http://GMIAL.COM Vanessa

    Thank Goodness the Supreme Court made a correct ruling about guns today. They upheld everyones right to own a firearm. I Thank God were still the LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    most people that want gun control,have never hunted or fired a weapon,so how can they judge those who have been raised around rifles and guns,i am an older american,and was raised in a farm area most my life,and not once did i ever hear of any of the folks that were my neighbors,ever use a rifle or gun to shoot anything but game,but now with a the bleeding heart liberals in government,i can see why people need to protect themselves from all the criminals,drug dealers,streetgangs,rapist,would be murders,that the enlighted few running this new america,with us the normal people being used for cattle fodder for these wolfs,that have more rights than the victims,can a victim come back from the dead,or can a person victimized,ever have peace of mind? the answer is NO WAY. its time for every real freedom loving american citizen (NON-CRIMINAL) to serve notice to these communist bleeding hearts in the courts and in government that we will be no longer victims of your misguided laws and judgements period,and if you love these law breakers so much,you will have to be held accountable in a court of law,for any deaths to the innocent victims,that have been killed by these law breaking scumbags,that you have let lose on the american public. and how dare you put us the very people that have put the food into your very mouths,and have given you the power that gives you your very jobs (PUBLIC SERVANTS) at risk of bodliy harm in our daily lives,and guns are not the problem its those who have abandoned the very letters of the law(THE UNITED STATES COSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS) and the second admendment saids it clearly, “a well regulated militia,being necessary to the security of a free state,the right of the people to keep and bear arms,shall not be infringed. ” so goodbye liberals you have no leagal grounds to bye pass the constitutional laws of this nation,look up abriged and infringed,but if i am wrong than we must be a communist new world order then,where the people have no say over those who govern them and if that is so,i the old farm guy choose to keep my arms to defend my family and grand childern,as far as the gun haters let them go without arms,and if the time comes let them perish by their own arrogance and stupidty,and let god sort them out.

    • Denniso

      There are plenty of legal questions left. Weapons are regulated already and get ready for more regs. For instance, can you buy a rocket launcher now? How about grenades,bombs,artillery pieces or nuclear tipped ammo? No, you can’t…they’re restricted to the military,luckily. We can restrict who can own guns and at what age. I think no one under 21 should be allowed a weapon of any sort,except a BB gun. Kids can’t legally drink until 21,apply the same logic to guns.
      The battle over reasonable controls on gun rights is far from over and you will see many cities move in that direction. All of our rights come w/ restrictions,the same is true for guns.

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