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Poll finds Romney, Huckabee the strongest contenders against Obama

September 7, 2009 by  

Poll finds Romney, Huckabee the strongest contenders against ObamaA new survey compared leading Republican politicians’ strength as potential challengers to President Obama in the 2012 general election, and found Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee to be leading the pack.

The study conducted by Clarus Research Group (CRS), a nonpartisan research firm in Washington DC, shows the former Massachusetts governor with 38 percent of support among Americans against Obama’s 47 percent, with 15 percent undecided. A total of 38 percent would also vote for former Arkansas governor Huckabee, with 48 percent voting for the incumbent under that scenario.

"The fact that Obama falls below 50 percent against two possible Republican opponents should be troubling for him," says Ron Faucheux, president of CRS.

"It also shows that the electorate is increasingly divided on Obama, with significant partisan polarization," he adds.

CRS also says Obama’s support among swing voters has fallen since November 2008, when exit polls showed he won over John McCain by 52 percent to 44 percent among that group. Today, both Romney and Huckabee beat Obama among independent voters.

The Clarus poll furthermore found Romney is the most popular candidate among Republicans and independents who lean Republican for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012, with 30 percent intending to vote for him. Meanwhile, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin can count on 19 percent support, followed by Newt Gingrich at 15 percent and Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal at a mere 4 percent.

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    • http://carllschultz@yahoo.com Carl Schultz

      It does not matter what either of these guys do or say.
      Nobody will beat President Obama.

      • http://msn agatha

        I think your wrong AND he will be stoped and so will Nancy and all the dems that think that the constation is void. that movement is just about to start. and mis Nancy name calling will be STOPED. I hope see reads this. we the people will see to that stand up and take back America now this is enough.
        God is for us who can be agines us.

        • Dave VW

          I would like to agree with you but I wish that God could help you with your spelling.

      • Dickie

        Comment removed for offensive content.

      • http://personalliberty thomas kassick

        are u really blind to the danger this president is causing.hopefully all the politicans of either party will be swept from office.they have forgotten whom they work for.term limits is the only process that will change the corrupt goverment,untill we wake up and demand term limits nothing will change.if you really think about it there is no need for politicans in washington.we at home could vote everyday with todays internet so i say sweep them all out.let the people deciede the issues.thanks for the right to express my thoughts god bless america

  • s c

    Polls combine hype and implication. Normally, they are as useful as tea leaves – unless you’re bored and in need of entertainment.
    We need leaders who put America first, ignore polls and will do what needs to be done to put America on a freedom course. That involves new thinking. The RNC has outlived its usefulness via nicey-nice stooges and galloping pc. We conservatives need an information network that culls out and bypasses RINOs (Specter Syndrome).
    Two-faced party flunkies and fence-sitters can go elsewhere. Core values matter. Keep it simple, and never again let useful idiot party bosses and gutless, fair weather losers make decisions. They were never conservatives.

    • EarlStephens

      I totally agree with you. My choice: Ron Paul – 2012. No more RINO’s

      • DaveH

        Earl,
        I would love Ron Paul for president. I’m sure you know that he is really Libertarian in philosophy. He had to run on the Republican ticket to get elected. I’m a little worried about his age though, as I think the media would hammer him on that (even though they regularly feign concern about ‘age-discrimination’).
        I think there are a lot of Libertarian sympathizers out there who worry about throwing away their votes, but you can see where voting for the ‘lesser of two evils’ has gotten us. My suggestion for those who think that way is to register as a Libertarian, then vote for whoever you want. That way as the party numbers grow they will get more exposure. The leaders in both major parties don’t want Libertarians because they take a firm stand for Limited Government. And as you can see, both Republicans and Democrats like to grow government (albeit much more so for the Democrats).
        One thing that turns many Democrats away from the Republican candidates is their fanatical fixation on vice crime (victimless crime). So I think if the Republicans could get off that band wagon they would bring in a lot more voters. Another problem is their efforts to be the world’s policemen. It doesn’t work. All we do is spoil the countries that don’t have the will to protect themselves, and give many of their citizens another reason to hate the US. How many of us, for example, would be happy if we had Canadian or Mexican soldiers patrolling our cities?
        Big Government doesn’t work primarily because they aren’t subject to free market forces. They have little reason to treat us with respect because they jobs are extremely secure. For example, I have a court date upcoming about an estate issue. My brother is the executor and he is not declaring many of the estate assets. My problem with that is his lack of honesty. But I have to be ever-so-careful about how I address the issue in court or the judge will shut me down. In other words, the courts don’t really give a damn about the customer like they would if they were subject to free market forces.
        If you aren’t already familiar with Libertarian beliefs, I suggest you read the online book: http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

        • DaveH

          To read their party platform, see http://www.libertarianparty.org/platform

          I would be happy to address why I think certain of their scary stances would actually work better than the government controls do currently.

        • s c

          DaveH, big government has too much to lose by letting free market capitalism work. Note that big government NEVER hesitates to BLAME free market capitalism for problems created by big government.
          Five prime examples of big government screwing up free market capitalism are 1) FDR, 2) the growing list of mindless, useful idiots who confuse corruption with good government, 3) 99.9% of all politicians in Washington, 4) Jimmy Carter and 5) Alan Greenspan.

        • James Polk

          You are correct, the courts are corrupt, and people who lie, hide assets, and pay off judges and attorneys get their way. These people in law who mis use their position in the justice system are traitors to our nation and freedoms — corruption takes away people freedom — corruption weakens our nation, corruption is what drove early settlers from their homeland to the Americas.

  • http://www.teamhuck.com Amanda Butt

    Governor Huckabee will be the NEXT President of the U.S.A.!!! No doubt about that! Strong common sense approach, excellent values!!! A man the people can trust and relate, too! Does not flip on the issues at hand, especially the most important thing: LIFE!!! He’s got his own show… the media cannot twist his words anymore, and if they do…he gets to correct them without being shunned! Gov. Huckabee rocks!!! He truly is for the people!!!

    • alice

      Amanda, he is a flip flopper. He flipped on illegal immigration. He is for amnesty and then said he wasn’t. So tell me again how he can be ttusted. We need new people to look at, not the same old same old.

      • PatH

        Alice,

        I’d like to know when and where Gov. Huckabee EVER said that he was in favor of amnesty, as you’ve stated. Frankly, I believe that to be an inaccurate statement about him. He was endorsed by Project Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist and Duncan Hunter.

        efred,
        When did Huckabee ever say anything that would make you think that he was against the surge? He’s always made it clear that he believes in using overwhelming force against your enemy.

        Huckabee showed his strength with his statements during his recent travel to Israel, which showed very clearly that the Obama administration is way out of line with mainstream Americans’ position on Israeli-Palestinian relations.

        Huckabee was also very decisively against the very first TARP bail-out of $787 Billion, when Romney couldn’t make up his mind and McCain handed the entire election over to Obama by also trying to wheel-and-deal his way through the unconstitutional bill. How hard is it to know that it’s not the proper role of the Federal Gov’t to be bailing out Insurance companies, banks, etc. Huckabee spoke clearly on the issue from the very beginning.

        Huck stands on principles and would have made a BIG stink about $50 dollar co-pays covering $400 tax-payer subsidized elective abortions, which Romney didn’t bat an eye at.

        I wish that Palin would come out stating that she would be in favor of a Human Life Amendment to the US Constitution and the FairTax and start speaking out regarding why those 2 policy positions are important to our nation’s future. She could be right up there with Huckabee (on my hero-list) if she would do that. As it is, I really wish her and family the best.

        • Russ

          its the uninformed left that gave us obama
          lets just hope that huckabee and romney get it togather this time and not cansel each other out, and give us another week can like McCain for the uninformed to exploit again.

  • ronald c

    Jindahl and Palin should be on the same ticket…I love Romney and Huck. They just dont show the passi0n to stand up to the rantings of the left (Marxists)…We need real people…sounding real and not the same ole ____. We need to dump the handlers 0f the last two republican candidates…we need to get people from the ground in there… not elite know it alls…

  • http://www.nosmog.com Robert Sewell Sr

    Bob Livington;
    Thank you for this news letters since.
    I preferred to pick for 2012 President to Mitt Romney over Huckabee, Mitt Romney has lots of experienced on business, economics ,as well his dad was in charge and save AMC Automobile, Romney save during Salt Lake City hosted for Winter olympic and very successful. Romney was Governor of Mass.
    At 2012 will be very very tough jobs to get straight and save America also Ron Paul would be best partner with Romney .Both men are strong business men for America’s sake of jobs, business, economics many others and bot men are wise men.
    Huckabee should be place third. All three men have very good religious. Huckabee should be at somewhere in Cabinets. So hope all three of them willing to shares and and work together for the sake of America Citizens needs! It is not worth to quarrel over their’s better ideas. etc. Forget about their good religious personals , don’t count that. See what happened we had mess with Liberal democrats and Obama almost destroy America and becoming “Socialist”. we don’t want that happens in U.S. ever again and keep awake and these wise three men will be the best for 2012 !!. We have them all three that God send to us and don’t fail with God’s again and everyones of us too. Thank you.

    • Nehra

      Romney did not save the SLC Olympics, or clean up the corruption, they were caught and that is it, end of story. It was the American People which did after the corruption disgrace of the LDS Church, if Romney did not had relatives in the upper levels of the LDS Church, and being a descendant of original polygamist, Romney never would have been chosen.

      SLC brought disgrace to this nation, with there self-righteous attitude justifying their corruption, as well as the extreme level of corruption.

      • DaveH

        These two comments are good evidence of why Big Government doesn’t work. One size does not fit all. Whether the Democrats are in charge taking the Republicans’ freedom to prosper away, or the Republicans are in charge taking away the Democrats’ freedom to abuse their bodies or their souls, there is going to be about half of the population that is unhappy.
        The Libertarian Party believes that the individual has ownership of his body and his property, with all the responsibilities and freedom that pertain to both. And with that would go a much smaller, much cheaper government. With Libertarian values members of both parties could be happy. We would also have a much more prosperous society.

      • John Adams

        Nehra is trying to rewrite history. The original head of the Salt Lake Olympic committee was not a Mormon. There never were even any claims regarding unethical actions by the Mormon church. Mitt Romney was brought in to clean house within the Olympic Committee. Which he did. Romney had established himself as the most capable person in the business world to turn around failing businesses into successfull businesses. That is why Romney was chosed to take over the Salt Lake Olympic committee. Romney was able to revive the effort, even after 9/11, to make the SLC Winter Olympics one of the best Winter Olympics that were ever held.

        • Nehra

          Really, so all the pay off scholarships to BYU and the Insurance policies from a company owned by the LDS church was non mormon? Get real.

          • Nehra

            but the church now became the biggest player. While LDS leaders
            were conspicuously silent when Salt Lake obtained the 2002 bid and in fact made
            no official statement about the Olympics until 1998, they promptly began to prepare
            for the Games. The key was the Church Olympic Coordinating Committee established
            in October 1995, “a kind of clearinghouse for the church’s Olympic efforts.”
            Co-chaired by Apostles Robert D. Hales and Henry B. Eyring, members of the Quorum
            of the Twelve, the church’s second-highest leadership group, the committee also
            included M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Seventy; H. David Burton, the presiding
            bishop of Salt Lake; and Bruce L. Olsen, managing director of public affairs
            for the church.29 The claim that the committee’s sole function was to consider the Salt

            The primary concern was Mormon control of Olympic planning. The membership
            of the various Salt Lake bid committees and SLOC after 1995 was always predominantly
            LDS. The five most visible and important 1990s bid committee members
            were Mormons: Thomas K. Welch, president; David R. Johnson, senior vice president
            for games operations; Craig Peterson, vice president for administration; and
            committeemen Frank Richards, who solicited South America, and Bennie Smith, the
            lone African-American member, who courted the African vote.

            http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/Olympika/Olympika_2002/olympika1101b.pdf

            The 2002 Olympic Winter Games bid scandal was a scandal involving allegations of bribery to obtain the 2002 Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. Before 1995, the city had attempted several times to secure the games, but failed each time. In 1995 Salt Lake City was announced as the host city, but in 1998 the members of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) were accused of taking bribes from the Salt Lake Organizing Committee (SLOC).
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Winter_Olympic_bid_scandal

            Tom Welch, the president of the bid, and his chief aide, Dave Johnson, each were indicted

            http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/21/news/mn-56718

            People should not lie, especially on corruption which is easily check out.

        • James Polk

          I checked, and Mormons were involved in the corruption, two were indited as mentioned and the LDS church was involved with the organizing committee, which was riddled with corruption.

          They need a old hickory stick maybe to have them be honest.

        • James Polk

          It is an easy google search to find the LDS church was involved in the committee, the links are pending moderation on the thread, but the LDS church was part of the problem.

  • Lynn Salton

    Is there any possibility that the country could elect a Mormon president? Seriously? If somebody can suspend their intelligence enough to believe ANYTHING that Joseph Smith plagiarized when he invented his “religion”… well that’s their right. However, I can’t trust any candidate that can swallow an over-simplistic fundamental theology as having the mental acumen to run a country. We all saw what happened to the country when Bush & Cheney & Rove ruled with what they thought was “divine right”. (God chose them so they thought they were entitled to benefit from being elected.)

    Mitt Romney as president is scary… but I’m not worried… the religious right will never let a member of the Church of LDS be elected as President.

    • DaveH

      Lynn,
      One of my best friends was Mormon (I’m atheist). Yes, if you compare their religion to Catholicism or others it seems strange. But if you think about it, Mormonism isn’t really any stranger than any other. They all had a start somewhere in history, and all roots involved the observations of humans. The thing that strikes me positively about their religion is their intense family orientation. Also, they have a very strong work ethic, and they take care of their own down-and-out members in an intelligent way.
      However, I have my own preferential life-style and I really don’t want anybody, non-Morman or Morman, telling me how to live. I also don’t want anybody (e.g. Liberals) sharing my hard-earned money as they please. Nobody has any idea the suffering that I or others have endured to accumulate our assets. That is why I have always voted Libertarian and always will.

  • gene

    Huckabee, Palin, Jindahl Any of the 3 would be great. The problem with Romney is him being Morman. The Book of Morman is a fake as anyone who can read and understand the old and new testament knows. It states Jesus will not return until he comes for all of the christians. The book of Morman claims he appeared to them and told them what to write. They continued to hold to the old testament tradition of having more then one wife and some still do. Jesus taught one wife! Any medical doctor will tell you if you have relations with more then one partner you are in immense danger from sexual disease. The far left of the morman church think it is ok to marry off there 12 year old daughters to 50 year old men. Sorry They have major problems reading and understanding the bible. I have sat and watched when they would come to my fathers house and he would get his king james bible and show them in scripture where they were wrong and they would get irate with him, that is not a christian value. If you believe any of the bible then you must believe all of it.

    • DaveH

      Gene,
      A closed group of people, i.e. abstinent from sexual activity with outsiders, has no more chance of contracting an STD than a couple that is abstinent from sexual activity with outsiders.
      The Mormon men took several wives generally at a time in history when women vastly outnumbered men. They were providing those women with an opportunity to be part of a family. Very few Mormons currently practice polygamy. Frankly, I would consider a man to be very brave to take on more than one wife.
      I probably have more morality, compassion, and tolerance for my fellow human than most religious people, but I don’t want anyone dictating to me what my morality should be. Remember that all religions are based on faith; in my opinion the Mormons are no stranger than the other religions.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, hands clapping.

      • Nehra

        The abuse levels were high in Romney Bloomfield Hills stake, many women and children abused and covered up.

      • Nehra

        “Frankly, I would consider a man to be very brave to take on more than one wife.”

        It was not bravely, but lust which caused this to happen.

      • James Polk

        It was a method to explode a population quickly and lust, not true about more women than men.

        • DaveH

          If you are going to refute me, then at least provide some proof. I am just repeating what I heard in Salt Lake city. Being the avid keepers of the lineage that they are, I would take their word over yours any day unless you can provide good evidence to the contrary.

          • Nehra

            Yes, I will give an ancestor of Mitt Romneys, Parlery P. Pratt, who was killed in Arkansas when he tried to take another mans wife as his own polygamist wife. She was the twelfth woman to be sealed to Pratt. , she was not legally divorced from Hector at the time of her “celestial marriage” to Pratt.[6].

            Due to his personal popularity and his position in the Council of the Twelve, Pratt’s murder in Arkansas was a significant blow to the Latter-day Saint community in the Rocky Mountains, when they began hearing about it in June 1857.[19] The violent death of Pratt may also have played a part in events leading up to the Mountain Meadows massacre five months later.[20]

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parley_P._Pratt

            they didn’t take kindly to having their wives taken.

    • Nehra

      There was a high level of abuse in the polygamist marriages, in the early days of polygamy women married more than one man. women switched between polygamist husbands, often leaders in the LDS church would take wives of other men (who were still living with their wives) as their wife.

  • Linda

    Without a doubt, it’s going to be Governor Huckabee. He has been right even as far back as fall of 2007 in every call he made about the economy! He has over a decade of governing experience under his belt and he has the character and integrity that is so sorely lacking in this administration. I will have waited 4 years for that debate between Huck and Obama and Huckabee will certainly NOT disappoint!

  • Nehra

    The Romney family has too much baggage, they tried to check it, but it will come back to haunt them. David Fischer, Mitt money bundler from Michigan, also has some questions which need to be asked and looked into.

    The question of how Alex Itkin got on the Michigan Republican Congressional Committee needs to be seriously looked into.

    Romney is a flop, and a poor choice.

    http://janskousenandromney.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=4

  • Nehra
  • Barbara Meyer

    We don’t need to worry about Romney and the Morman religion. They were worried about Kennedy being a Catholic too. We worry about the dumbest things. Romney has the smarts. Huckabee is good on his Saturdat show. Maybe be good as far as Vice President. One thing for sure. Obama needs to be beat!!!!!!!!!!he needs to go now. He says he is a Christian. Don’t believe it.

    • Nehra

      I would look into the Romney families Russian connections they have been hiding.

  • Mary Thom

    Look at Romney’s record. It is not consistent. You can’t be sure of how he stands from one campaign cycle to the next. He is a very good politician, but is that what we need right now? Look at how Massachusetts is struggling under the healthcare which began under Governor Romney.

    Look at Mike Huckabee’s record. After ten years as governor he left his state in much better shape than it was when he began. Mike Huckabee is more than a good politician. He is a good leader with plenty of experience. Also, he has the humility to know that he doesn’t know it all and has the sense to know when to call on experts for help–and he won’t surround himself with appointed czars who circumvent our political process.

  • Mara

    Fascinating commentary by Lynn Salton! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the fourth largest religion in the world…you are suggesting there are a lot of stupid people out there. Take a moment and think about your comments. Have you watched “The Godmakers” – a blatantly anti-mormon movie filled with distortion of the facts? Perhaps your preacher is the one who taught you what you know about Mormons (who, by the way loses revenue if his congregation goes elsewhere). I would submit that people who believe what they see in the movies and believe what they are told by their preachers about another faith, are the ignorant ones! If you want to know what a religion is about – ask a member of that faith or go to their website.

    The scary thing here is not Mitt Romney as President – he is a good man, he has ran a business and has a history of turning things around, he lives a life based on Christian values. The scary thing is that religious bigotry and ignorance is still obviously alive and well in the USA.

    • eyeswideopen

      Mara,
      Well said, Please continue to offer your comments.

    • DaveH

      I agree with your comment Mara, but I think we need to keep religion out of politics. Our freedom currently is under massive assault, and we need to get together, both religious people and non-religious people, to turn that tide back. We are going to need all the people we can get to reverse the Statism that has gripped our country.

      • Mara

        DaveH,

        I agree with you – religion should have nothing to do with it! It would be nice if others were of that same opinion. I am a Romney supporter because I believe he is the best man for the job. I believe Ron Paul is strong on the economy but I completely disagree with him in the area of foreign policy. This country needs a well rounded candidate. I am unable to stay quiet when untrue statements are made about a religious faith as a means to cast a shadow on a man who has proven credentials and experience to take this country forward.

        • Nehra

          By the way, the people indited from Utah on corruption were LDS, the LDS church were involved in the Olympics per earlier post, which carried documentation of the fact.

      • Rod

        Your right Dave and we think Mitt Romney is honest enough to do just
        that. Look at John Kennedy. Now take a hard look at Obama. We can
        never let this happen again! Palosi is also in trouble HOORAH! Every
        time she opens her mouth she gets in deeper trouble. They have no God
        and so worship only themselves and try to figgure out how to get us
        off the planet earth. They will attempt to try any means to get to
        their end, and – - – they will fail!

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, I am behind that remark 100%.

        • DaveH

          Thanks Eyes.

      • Nehra

        That will not work, Romney will attack Muslims. Religion does make a difference, as does one religious beliefs. Belief systems drive people behaviors, if their faith is not truthful, they will not be truthful.

        People have a right to exam the belief system, or the non belief system of anyone running for office, not to do so is foolish.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, now your talking.
        Working together to save this country is the only way to go. White, black, red, yellow, baptist, catholic, jews, mormons, repubs, dems, libers, everybody needs to be American first!!

    • Nehra

      That is funny, former members know the fibs and corruption within the LDS community, that is not being a bigot.

  • Nehra

    Mormon Research Ministry, Bob McKeever is an excellent source for factual information. He has informative and informative You Tubes out on the subject of real, and factual LDS History, not glossed over history.

    Mormon Coffee is also a good collection of many topics on the subject.

    Can millions of people be wrong? Ask the follower so Hitler.

    God Makers is very close to the truth.

    • John Adams

      Nehra continues to ignore reliable sources of information about the Mormon church. For example, he cites the movie “God Makers as very close to the truth”. Here is what the Anti-Defamation League had to say about the God Makers: “Had a similar movie been made with either Judaism or Catholicism as its target, It would be immediately denounced for the scurrilous piece that it is. I sincerely hope that people of all faiths will similarly repudiate “The Godmakers” as defamatory and untrue, and recognize it for what it truly represents -a challenge to the religious liberty of all.” (http://www.fairlds.org/The_God_Makers/).

      • Nehra

        You have trouble with the God Makers, which does document Mormon Theology, try Bob McKeever he is well documented, informative, has great You Tubes factual history on LDS History and doctrine. Mormon Coffee is excellent, Bob is educated and a former member, people who were insiders in the LDS community and knows his facts, facts which are not white washed.

  • efred

    Neither of theses candidates has a snowball’s chance in a Texas summer of getting elected, because they are too much like Obama. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Romney support abortion in his state? Didn’t Romney also support gay marriage, increasing taxes, gun control, and implement mandatory health care? And how is that different from Obama? Sure, he’s handsome, charismatic, and a smooth talker, but then again, wasn’t Hitler, Clinton, and Obama? I believe he would be better suited to being the state’s Senator, to replace Kennedy.

    Now, didn’t Huckabee support raising taxes and mandatory health care, among other things? Aside from his stance against the surge, isn’t Huckabee much like Bush, in many of his bad spending policies?

    I’m quite frustrated hearing these “conservative” talking-heads claiming that this candidate or that candidate is the most “electable,” which generally means that they are RINOs, and the conservative base won’t lift a finger to support, so they never get elected. We need someone with ethics, morals and the stones to do what’s right by the Constitution, and at this moment, I don’t see anyone yet. Sarah Palin would be excellent, but it’s too early to tell. You can tell how much of a threat a candidate is to the liberals by how mean and cruel they are to them, and they are obviously scared to death of Palin. How about Romney and Huckabee? They’re well liked by the liberals, just like John McCain, and by the way, how’s his first term as President going? No, wait, he didn’t get elected.

    Choose a candidate with morals, ethics and a firm understanding of our Constitution as our Founding Fathers envisioned, add some communication skills, and we’ll have an unbeatable candidate. But pick a candidate that’s the most “electable,” and we’re guaranteed to have another four years of Obama, if our country can survive another four years of his policies.

    To prevent another fiasco like ’08, first we need to put up some actual conservative candidates with core values. Then we need to have closed primary elections to keep Democrats from pissing in our punch bowl which is what caused McCain to get the nomination, stiffen the penalties for voter fraud and start enforcing those laws. Then we need to bypass the mainstream media, who are only lapdogs for tyrants anymore, and speak directly to the people.

    If anyone has any more ideas, let’s hear them.

    • DaveH

      Efred,
      Well-stated. People need to get more educated on the great effort that our forefathers made to secure our freedom. They need to learn that freedom doesn’t come easy. As Thomas Jefferson said “Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”

    • John Adams

      You asked for your statements about Romney to be corrected if they were wrong, so here I go. Romney supported abortion in his state – Romney ran with the position that he would not change current abortion laws because the vote of the people had clearly established those laws. Romney as governor did go on to oppose the establishment of laws/government funding of research using embryonic stem cells. Romney has never supported gay marriage. He has and still does support gays not being discriminated against in the workforce, but believes marriage is between a man and a woman. People have taken Romney’s strong support for not discriminating against gays as also meaning he supported gay marriage, but that is not true. As Governor of Mass he did all he could to overturn the Mass court rulings regarding gay marriage. Romney did not increase taxes. He took over a state that had a huge debt, cut state spending, did raise some fees for state services that were being performed well below the cost of providing those services, balanced the budget, and left office with the state having a $2,000,000,000 surplus. Romney supports laws controlling assult rifles but not on other weapons. He has been endorsed by the NRA. Romney did lead a bi-partison effort to reform Mass health care laws that did require people to get PRIVATE health insurance (the Obama plan creates a single payer government run program). About 97% of the people in Mass now have health insurance. The Mass. health plan is costing only 1.5% of the state budget, it is not bankrupting the state as some have mis-reported. The health plan also had 7 items that were passed over the veto of Romney. If those items had not been passed, the plan would have been even better.

      • eyeswideopen

        Has it occurred to you that Mitt, might actually be a Libertarian? Sounds like he believes in personal freedoms? That’s not a bad thing.

        • DaveH

          No Eyes,
          No Libertarian would sponsor a bill to force people to buy health insurance.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave,
            Do you mean that Liber’s follow every single idea in their platform? How can any group be that perfect? With the situtation we have here, wouldn’t they have to bend a little bit? I think that it would be almost impossible to get to where we need to be quickly, we would have to comprise on some things, or there would be havoc.

        • James Polk

          Mitt is anything that would get him a vote! lol, lol, that is why he is a flip flopper.

      • efred

        He did not get the NRA support, because he straddled on every issue: he supported gun control, ‘assault weapons’ ban, the Brady Bill and the second amendment. He only joined in August of 2006, in the hopes to sway some support. He’s never really hunted, let alone shot a gun, and before 2002 had no interest in getting support from the NRA. In fact, in 2004, he signed a permanent gun ban bill in Massachusetts. He has stated many times that he supports the Brady Bill.

        On abortion, he was the governor that forced judges to perform gay marriage in Massachusetts, in direct violation of their state Constitution, which forbids judges from establishing or altering laws. Governor Romney had no Constitutional authority to order judges to perform gay marriages, which is against state law, using the feeble excuse that he was “personally against gay marriage” but had to “enforce the law” that the state supreme court had no authority to enact. Refusing to rescind gay marriage is tacit endorsement of gay marriage.

        If his health-care program is doing so well, then why are 30,000 legals in Massachusetts being cut from the rolls, its budget ballooning to $1.3 billion from $630 million in 2007, and Physicians for a National Health Program calling it “A Failed Model in Health Care Reform?”

        Libertarianism is a form of libertinism, which simply put, is a form of anarchy. Libertarianism is, simply put, people wanting to do what they want to do with very little governing authority saying they can’t. Libertinism is, simply put, the desire of people to do what they want with no moral authority telling them it’s wrong. Anarchy is, simply put, the desire of people be allowed to act like animals, with no form of society at all. The South was essentially a group of libertarian states, that by definition, didn’t want to cooperate with each other, and we all know how well that went.

        • James Polk

          Thanks for posting the truth!!!!! Mitt did NOT get the enforcement of the NRA, he tried to give the impression he did, like everything else Mitt does, never quite the truth and a false front.

      • Ted Malone

        As efred said, Romney had the constitutional power to overrule the Mass Supreme Court ruling over instituting gay marriage in that state. Even liberal leaning Harvard University professor Lawrence Tribe says that Romney had the authority to forbid the courts ruling from be enacted. While Romney may not have supported gay marriage, he failed to prevent it from becoming law in his state even though he had the constitutional power to do so. That and his healthcare initiative he enacted in Mass. are two big problems that he has that would make it difficult for many of us to support him for POTUS.

  • Nehra

    correction:

    Can millions of people be wrong? Ask the followers of Hitler

  • http://www.teamhuck.com Amanda Butt

    efred,

    Huckabee has morals, values and stands for the common sense approach. The media tried to paint him into a liberal during the primary, but if you listen to his Huckabee Show, you will get the REAL HUCKABEE!

    As for Romney… I could not vote for him because he doesn’t even know what he stands for. That makes me think he really doesn’t have any core principles/values….

  • http://commonsenseforanimals.org Dr Robert Blease

    Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin is my ideal ticket. Both are knowlegeable, proud to be American, tell it as it and experienced. Both can electrify a crowd and explain and promote a cause.

    Obama, obama care and his “friends” are a real threat to individual liberty and our democracy. Senate/House elections can’t get here soon enough to stop Pelosi and company. I have never seen so many people in my 50 years of voting as worked up and against the policies of a new president, of course, we never had such a liberal president before.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dr.
      You want Newt as President? You are aware that in Jan 1997, he was reprimanded for ethics violations from Sept 1994? He had to pay a $300,000K penalty. It was the first time in history of the House it had to discipline a speaker of the House for ethical wrongdoing.
      While married to Marianne Ginter, he was having an affair with Callista Bisik during the time he was calling for the impeachment of Clinton. He has since changed from being a Baptist to Catholic, so many he has aquired some morals or ethics, but are you willing to risk it? If he had only been guilty of one of the issues,maybe, but I don’t think most Americans can really push both incidents under the rug. I’m sure we can find a better representative of this party!!

      • DaveH

        When a pack of vicious dogs wants to take you down, you don’t have much of a chance; ask Sarah Palin.

        http://www.rightgrrl.com/carolyn/newt.html

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, when I searched ethics, this is what came up, http://www.congressproject.org/ethics/gossmem/.html
          as you can see there were other issues that he was involved with, the penalty was to cover the legal and investigative costs. He admitted that he was having an affair, so I will apologize for not clarifying that the charges were dropped. I still feel that we can find someone who hasn’t been unfaithful or involved in a scandal. I guess I am letting my personal feelings involving Jack Abramoff and Dick Armey and their association with Newt make me suspicious of his ablility to not be influenced by that type of politician.

          • DaveH

            Eyes,
            You overlook the mighty aphrodisiac of power. Those men who secure the power positions probably have twice the hormones of an average man. I’m not excusing infidelity, but I think the sex drive is an addiction second to none.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, you are probably right, us girls can keep our pants up, while in office. LOL. Maybe more of us should be in office.. OK, I’m ready to take the hits.. go ahead. Heh Heh,,

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, seriously, I do expect the “men” representing me to have ethics beyond reproach, after all, they are the voice of many. Their actions, words and deeds reflect on us, as we chose them. If they can’t adhere to decent moral conduct, don’t run for office. If you can’t control yourself get the hell out. I don’t care which religion they are, I just want a moral person.

  • http://www.nancy@google.com Nancy

    The problems is not Mormon,it is the people that anti and discriminate religion that it seem they were still at the 1500 ancient people that never develop themselves.John F Kennedy was a great president,so Mitt can be a greater president,no doubt about that.We are choosing a president,no matter what religion the person believe is good,if that person believe in god,but if the candidate is not believe any religion that is big problem.The number one American people really need now is the economy,so only Mitt is the man who had track record and best resume about that and America will be with the right man for the right job,they will never repeat their mistake again.The wealthy man can make a wealthy country because he had done it.Mitt is the strongest,the smartest,the most qualify for the job,and look presidential, please look when he walk,he speech,he stand, he seat, and his character,he is the real that no one can compare with,Mitt is the next president of U.S.

  • G. Montgomry

    Romney is a fake, he would use the White House to make himself rich, and sell out America. Romney cries BIGOT, yet is the biggest Bigot around. The spoiled, self centered son of a family who over indulged him, and gave him a elitist, and entitled attitude never should be near the White House.

    • John Adams

      Romney had a great father (George) who made sure that his son’s earned their own way in life. Unlike many of the eastern elite, Romney worked his way through college. His academic achievements were his, not his father’s. After college, he did not work for his father. Based on his achievements at Harvard he did get a very good job with Bain Capital. Romney then proved his capabilities in the business world without any assistance from his father. Romney made his own millions. He then turned his focus from making a family fortune to serving others. He worked as the president of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for the huge salary of $1. As governor he donated his salary to charity (and it was not to the LDS church). Romney has also stated he would not keep his salary if he were president. Romney is no fake, no elitist, and has no entitled attitude. Romney is for real, some people just can’t believe he is as good as he is. Our country needs Romney now more than ever.

      • Nehra

        Romney did not earn his way Romney used his trust fund.

      • James Polk

        Not from what I’ve heard or learned the Romney’s are lacking when it comes to ‘good’.

        Very sad, what the Romney family got involved in, and the harm done to others.

  • Rod

    Mitt Romney will be our President in 2012. He is a great lesder and
    an honest man! We firmly believe he would have been our President
    now if he had stayed in the race. McCain just didn’t want to be the
    President. He didn’t go after Obama the way he should have. Kept
    saying it wouldn’t be fair- – - dah! Mitt Romney is a great business
    man. Huckabee is ok too but not tuff enough.We watch his programs
    and we just can’t see him getting tuff enough on Obama. Sarah Palin
    is great! We love her for Congress or even the Senate We would love
    to see her punch a few of those lefties out- – - right out of washington. We have a GREAT, GREAT opportunity in 2010 elections to
    change things in Congress and get back to good old Democracy. We have
    to get out there and VOTE. The lefties are triping over their own
    feet. Alot of the Dems. we talk to are very sorry they voted for
    Obama! His “change” is not what they expected.

  • DaveH

    Romney’s involvement with the mandated Massachusetts health-care plan is all the evidence I need to know that he is wrong for freedom-lovers.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWU1MGZkNmM5OWNhYzI0MzhjZGM5ZTZjMWM2ZjZlY2M=

  • Mara

    As I stated previously, ignorance is alive and well in the USA. Gene-your statements made in regard to the Book Of Mormon and it’s origin are incorrect. It appears you never read the history behind it, let alone the book itself. Perhaps your memory fails you as you seem to imply that Mormons don’t use the Bible. They recognize the King James Version as the most correctly translated – the Old and New Testaments are part of their standard works. Polygamy was practiced in the Old Testament for reasons only God knows and I would put to you that it’s practice in the early days of the church were instituted for a purpose as well. Mormon men were murdered, leaving woman and children alone with no one to take care of them. People like you always imply it was for sexual reasons without any thought as to other factors that may have contributed to it’s institution. It is also important to point out that Mormons believe in obeying the law and discontinued the practice when Utah became a state. The are small factions that broke away from the main church that still practice – but again, not the mainstream Mormon church.

    Nehra – your comments are just silly. “Godmakers” is a series of distortions and lies. It’s author takes out of context quotes and weaves them into whatever he would like them to say. Your statement comparing Mormons to the followers of Hitler is offensive to the millions that have been served by Mormons. The LDS church does some amazing things for people – both in and out of their faith. Ask the Katrina or Ike victims, or the people who receive medical care as a result of their humanitarian efforts.

    You help to strengthen my point by declaring McKeever and the Godmakers as sources of truth – both anti-mormon. There are some great LDS apologetic sites that blow these guys out of the water but something tells me that the idea of two sides to a story is foreign to you. Too bad for people like you and possibly for USA. A baptist preacher (who smears Catholics as well as Mormons) with no business experience, a theology degree and questionable ethics (14 violations cited-some dismissed but some not) is more appealing to you than a Harvard graduate, proven business man and sqeaky clean record. Is it because you fear he will force you to be Mormon? Again, just silly.

    • Nehra

      I take it anyone who disagrees with Mormon Doctrine premise is anti?

      Sad when people cannot and do not want to know the facts, and want to whitewash history to suit their run for president, there are many people who do not agree with Mormon doctrine, guess they are all bigots.

      • Mara

        Nehra,

        I don’t consider Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Jehovah Witnesses, etc. anti-mormon because they aren’t Mormon. Obviously if they agreed with Mormon doctrine they would be Mormon. Anti-mormons are those who do whatever it takes (lying, distortion of doctrine, etc.)to deceive people about what Mormons believe. Bill McKeever claims to be an expert on Mormons but has never been a Mormon (interesting). Ed Decker (the Godmakers) was excommunicated by the church for adultery according to his first wife…seems he may have an axe to grind. Information on these men is on the internet – you can check it out for yourself.

        It’s obvious from your posts that you have an issue with Mormons and Mitt Romney and you are free to feel the way you do. The problem is that most of your information is terribly skewed and you don’t seem to care.

        • James Polk

          people who have been with in the church know, check your historical facts, not fiction spun on LDS history.

          I don’t buy the history Mitt spins, it is a spin. peroid.

        • Nehra

          My facts are straight,

          See Sandra Tanner, any number of former members know.

        • Nehra

          The Mormon church for a long time would not let people resign their membership, they would excommunicate them when they wanted to leave. This is not longer the case anymore, people can now resign without the smear of fear of excommunication blackening their names.

          People leave because they do not believe anymore and now can resign, my facts are straight.

          • Mara

            Interesting. Why would someone who wanted to leave the church be worried about excommunication. Your facts don’t make sense. Ex members of any church are that church’s worst enemy. I’m unimpressed by the statement of an “ex” anything.

          • James Polk

            The Mormon Church used the excommunications to discredit people, often people left because they had become aware of abuses within the church, were victims of abuse, or simply researched enough to learn much of the doctrine is false.

            Most sad were the ex communications of abuse victims, abuses the church covered up.

        • Nehra

          Yes, Decker was excommunicated, that does not make the doctrinal issues he bring up incorrect. He is correct on the view of the next life, plural wives in the next life, etc.

          Other people had to be excommunicated, if they wanted to resign from eh church, but pressure brought a change in that area. I realize the LDS faith has a large influence in the Republican party and even Libertarian, but people still have the right to exam the faith and what impact it can have on our nation.

          I stick by the facts posted.

        • Nehra

          see for a long time people who wanted to leave the LDS church had to be ex communicated they could not just leave.

          HE NORMAN HANCOCK LAWSUIT (Mesa AZ 1985)
          In 1985 the Mormon church ‘excommunicated’ Norman Hancock AFTER he submitted a letter of resignation to the church. Hancock filed an $18 million lawsuit against the church, saying a person has a right to voluntarily resign from a church. The suit was settled out of court and the settlement was sealed. An account on line reports that Hancock filed the suit himself, without the aid of a lawyer, after studying the Guinn case. The same account says that church lawyers started discussing with Hancock just how much money he wanted, but he told them he didn’t want their money, that what he wanted was to have his name cleared. Church representatives agreed to change the records such that there would no longer be any record of an ‘excommuication’: the records would show that he resigned (that he asked for ‘name removal’).

          The Hancock case shows that the church is willing to settle out of court when someone sues because the church ‘excommunicates’ them after they’ve resigned their membership. There were some defamation issues in the Hancock case that do not apply to most other cases, however.

          The Guinn and Hancock cases were the end of the era when the c

    • eyeswideopen

      Well said, excellent points.

    • James Polk

      Nehra is not being silly, I read through the post, Nehra the poster merely said many thousands were mislead by Hilter, vast numbers of people can be mislead.

      Peoples language influence, and how people manipulate questions also can be intentional misdirection and mislead people. People must be informed on many issues.

      http://1857massacre.com/MMM/lyingforthelord.htm

  • Brilliant

    I am a Mormon. I can not vote for Huckabee. He thinks the world is seven thousand years old. Now that is very stupid. I can not vote for Protestants or Evangelicals because they can not produce the stone tablets of Moses or the cross of Jesus. They also believe everybody goes to a fire called hell except for them. Some of them think that we are really eating Jesus. Mormons have weird ideas? Give me a break.

    • Nehra

      I understand your view, I was reading in Mormon Today, where a Mormon family in Texas sued to remove school prayers, they were angry with the Baptists in the area they lived in, in Texas.

      • Nehra

        Won’t work will not vote for Romney, the flip flopper

    • Ted Malone

      Clearly, Brilliant needs to come up with a name more fitting for his/her intellect……maybe ignorant would do!

      If you wouldn’t vote for a Protestant or Evangelical, how do expect your guy Romney to win without their votes? And isn’t there just a wee bit of difference between finding a cross that’s 2000 years old, or a set of stone tablets even older than that, than the fairly recent artifacts that Mormonism is unable to produce? I don’t want to make a religious thing about all this, but your statements are ludicrous.

      And yes, many of us do believe in a younger earth than that espoused by Darwinists………Romney will need their votes as well!

      • eyeswideopen

        Ted, come on don’t start the name calling, this has been quite civil until you felt compelled to take a dig at someone.

      • James Polk

        I have to agree on not finding more recent artifacts, then their is the Big Foot doctrine, that may stand in their way. Big Foot purpose is to steal the ‘souls of man’, that is what missionary Patton said, and it was taught, written about even into these modern days. Any footage seen of Big Foot he is always running away.

  • Ted Malone

    Huckabee is the best choose for 2012, IMO. He’s liked across political boundries, something that most other GOP contenders do not have going for them, yet is solid on conservative issues. Romney’s involvment with the Mass. healthcare debacle would take away one of the strongest arguments against Obama, that being his government healthcare plan. Huck 2012!!!!!!!!

  • Rod

    The fact is: We must change Washington! Congress must be changed
    back to a freedom loving, people serving Congress. The lefties have
    poluted our America and we must take it back and the will of the
    people will be heard. Ted malone, If it turns out that Huckabee is
    the candidate, we will support him and he will get my vote! we still
    believe he will not be tuff enough to do what we want him to do, to Obama.
    Mitt Romney will crumble Obama in his tracks. FIRST: We have to take
    care of business in 2010, CONGRESS! Vote and get a NEW CONGRESS into
    office! That will knock the stilts right out from under Obama!

    • Ted Malone

      Rod, I’m not sure who the “we” is that you’re talking about, but myself and many others think Huck can be plenty tough with Obama without turning off voters who may be sitting on the fence.

  • Rod

    Our country, The good old U.S. of A. is still our country! Not Obama’s
    and Palosi’s! The good people of our country have had it with Obama
    and Palosi! and are beginning to fight back. Let the Congressmen and
    the Senators listen CAREFULLY. Come 2010 they will get an ear full!
    We will not stand by and let the lefties distroy this democracy!!!!

    • eyeswideopen

      Rod, you are wrong, this is their country too. What do you want to do, expell everyone from the other political party?? Oh, then this would be a single party country? Anything like a single payor government? We never want to have only one choice, that’s how it is with communism and fascism etc. Diversity is what makes this country work.

  • Nehra

    It is not Romneys country either, their family never served in the military, not even WWII, but moved to Mexico under the direction of their church to practice polygamy.

    They listened to the call of their prophet and will listen to the call of their prophet, but not the call to serve our nation in the military.

    Good book to read; SLC Calling

  • Nehra

    not sure if the post is showing, but the LDS Church was involved in the Olympic Corruption two Mormons were indited, so the poster is wrong who blamed the corruption on non members.

    but the church now became the biggest player. While LDS leaders
    were conspicuously silent when Salt Lake obtained the 2002 bid and in fact made
    no official statement about the Olympics until 1998, they promptly began to prepare
    for the Games. The key was the Church Olympic Coordinating Committee established
    in October 1995, “a kind of clearinghouse for the church’s Olympic efforts.”
    Co-chaired by Apostles Robert D. Hales and Henry B. Eyring, members of the Quorum
    of the Twelve, the church’s second-highest leadership group, the committee also
    included M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Seventy; H. David Burton, the presiding
    bishop of Salt Lake; and Bruce L. Olsen, managing director of public affairs
    for the church.29 The claim that the committee’s sole function was to consider the Salt

    The primary concern was Mormon control of Olympic planning. The membership
    of the various Salt Lake bid committees and SLOC after 1995 was always predominantly
    LDS. The five most visible and important 1990s bid committee members
    were Mormons: Thomas K. Welch, president; David R. Johnson, senior vice president
    for games operations; Craig Peterson, vice president for administration; and
    committeemen Frank Richards, who solicited South America, and Bennie Smith, the
    lone African-American member, who courted the African vote.

    http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/Olympika/Olympika_2002/olympika1101b.pdf

  • Nehra

    Welch and Johnson were indited. Always good to check facts, especially when people cannot face their history or corruption,

    as Brigham Young said “grease the wheel’, which meant pay bribes, it is part of the LDS history along with God Brothels.

    • Mara

      Am I supposed to be shocked that the SLOC had several Mormons on it? We are talking about Salt Lake for goodness sake!?! Am I supposed to believe that because two Mormon men were charged with crimes that the whole church is corrupt? I hear Butch Cassidy was Mormon too, do all Mormons rob trains? The fact is that Mitt Romney turned those games around – he didn’t take a salary for his work AND he left the games with a 55 million dollar surplus. This blog is about two top contenders against Obama, not about religion. It appears to me that you don’t like Mitt Romney because he is Mormon – you haven’t cited any political reasons for your dislike. In contrast, I can name several reasons why I think that Mike Huckabee is not the man I want as leader of the USA. I think he is dishonest (a baptist preacher knows very little about Mormons, AND one who spoke at the SBC in Salt Lake- PLEASE!) He made the top ten corrupt politicians list put out by judicialwatch.org (interesting stuff there), his immigration policy stunk, none of my reasons have anything to do with his religious faith.

      • James Polk

        The corruption started back in the 1960′s. No excuse. None

        Utah is noted for ponzi schemes.

        • eyeswideopen

          James, so is Florida and New York, so what?

  • http://HistoryofVaccines.tk Freedom4America

    Could somebody give us the website for this poll?

    Since Dr. Ron Paul was not even listed in the poll results we doubt he was even in the poll. Somebody mentioned that the Powers To Be attack the person they are most afraid of and if you are not mentioned in this poll they are DEFINITELY AFRAID of you.

    ALL mentioned in that poll are nothing but NEOCONS and have stepped away from the REAL Conservative Platform.

    You say Huckabee is expanding his support. Exactly where can we find the numbers behind his so-called expansion of supporters?

    The ONLY REAL Conservative that we know of that IS expanding their support base is Ron Paul. Campaign For Liberty has over 160,000 members alone and expanding daily.

    http://CampaignForLiberty.com

    You may think Dr. Ron Paul is too old but just how many of you are capable of bicycling 10 miles every day at your age let alone at 74 years young? He leads a very healthy life and is seldom even sick.

    Ron Paul/Rand Paul 2012

    “ONLY Doctors WILL HEAL the USA”

  • JAMES A.

    WHAT THIS COUNTRY REALLY NEEDS IS, SARAH PALIN. SHE MADE A STATEMENT THAT STILL RINGS TRUE TODAY. “WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE GOOD OLD BOYS IN WASHINGTON D.C.” REGARDLESS OF WHAT PARTY YOU BELONG TO THE REAL PROBLEM IS WASHINGTON D.C.THE BEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS IS TO DEMAND THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER SERVE MORE THAN (2) TERMS. THEN WE WILL HAVE CHANGE THAT WE ALL CAN ACCEPT.

    • Rod

      She is a real lady and your right James A. we need her in Washington,
      but as a Congressman or Senator. We think she would be great as a
      Congressman. As President, Her time will come.

  • http://www.yahoo.com/?fr=fptb-msgr Jean

    I respect both men but Mike Huckabee is for amnesty and as a former preacher he should know his scripture and it says you obey the laws of the land or county or city your in so when he says they are GOD’S CHILDREN yes we all are but you don’t get a free pass for braking the law you don’t get to ask GOD to forgive you and continue do the same sin BREAKING THE LAW so I get very upset when people cherry pick the Bible to fit their agenda doesn’t mean we don’t care about them but they have to do it the right way.The way my parents and many other people did and it was a struggle for them too.They wanted a good future for their children too and most of all FREEDOM.Just because they did it the right way doesn’t mean they have a different reason for wanting to come here anymore then the ones doing it illegaly I know its harsh but its TRUTH.As far as Romney he did his so-called healthcare bill in Mass and it is a disaster and his faith or religion has nothing to do with my opinion of his policies but I have to check their true voting records this time around if they aren’t erased as some of the Dems are doing with theirs.But I’m hoping and praying Sara will throw her hat in and WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD DECIDE WHO RNS NOT THE (GOP) because they put up John McCain whom I did not want to vote for but I did only because of Sara Palin.We need true Conservatives no phoneies,no Rino’s no one looking to say what they think they need to say to pander to us again with lies.I no longer consider myself a Republican.I’m now Independant.A Conservative,Christian so that is where I stand take it for what it is worth and yes as Michael Steele called me a Bonehead because I will not compramise on issues.Yes if you are PRO-CHOICE you are not for me and if that makes me a bonehead so be it.But we compramised so much we’ve helped get us into this mess we are in now NO MORE.

    • Ted Malone

      Jean, you’re incorrect in stating that Huckabee is for amnesty. In fact, he was endorsed by Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist and by one of the leading congressmen fighting illegal immigration, Duncan Hunter. He also was one of only a few GOP candidates in 2008 that signed a “No Amnesty” pledge.

  • http://www.barak@google.com Barak

    What is the hell are you talking about Nehra? my father lived in Kenya,I live in the U.S. both of us never serve in the U.S. military,I still elected to be the president of the U.S, so Mitt can be a president of the U.S next to me,to clean my mess from inexperience that I destroy all America need and bring down the American people to the hell.Only Mitt had the experience that can lead America to the right track again,even I am the president, I still support him and need his advise.When I am not the president,look it easy to be a president,so I had promised a lot of top issues but when I became the president,I don’t know where to start,I don’t know what to do,I don’t know how to fix the economy,so what ever I start,I pick the wrong one,I take the wrong issue,why America are too much problems now and I am too tired,so next time,please take the right person for the right job,give the right leader for the right country and so America will be more prosperity than I do now,Mitt is our real leader,he is the most qualify for the job,he is our hero,and he is the America dream in 2012,in my mind,I support him and respect him,and happy to see him as the next president of the U.S.

    • Nehra

      He can, but I will not vote for a man who says ‘ my sons serve the country by serving me”. That is not military service. Winnies are nice, but they are not a tank or a jeep.

    • Nehra

      lol, doubt it is Obama posting, more than likely a mitter.

  • DaveH

    While everybody is arguing about religion, the liberals are rushing in and stealing our freedom. The Republican Party grows the government to control our victimless crimes, and then the Democratic Party grows the government to control our pocketbooks. It doesn’t matter which side is there when it collapses. What matters is that we are going to witness the fall of a great country whose forefathers fought and died for our freedom. We aren’t even willing to sacrifice a little bit of our time to think hard about what is happening and make the effort that is necessary to roll back the size of government and keep our freedom.

    • Rod

      Beg to defer with you Dave H. The people are getting aquainted with
      Obama and Palosi and they don’t like what they see and hear! Like I
      keep saying, 2010 elections can change everything and I believe it
      will prove to be a very interesting result in Congress. Hitler failed
      and so will Obama! All we have to do is VOTE! It’s so easy and means
      so much. Try it, you will like it!

      • eyeswideopen

        Rod, it doesn’t matter who you are pointing out as the bad guys, the Republicans need to get a plan of attack together with some viable ideas, instead of being the party of no alternative options, or it won’t matter who we run. The Independents in this country went out on a limb for Pres. Obama and they will give him more time, unless the repubs can come up with some IDEAS to solve our many problems. What are your ideas? What are you passionate about other than bashing Obama? What do you have to offer? Can you do research, make phone calls, send emails? You have to become an activist to effect change. How serious are you?

    • James Polk

      My forefathers knew liars, and protected their families, wives and children for insidious people, they did not buy and sell out, for a flim flam man, they followed the teaching taught to them by their fathers and the fathers before them and knew evil when they saw it. They knew snake oil men.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dave, I wondered when you would get tired of all the selfish b.s. These people can’t get past religion affiliations to try and save this country. I really think they only want one party, one religion, which is scary, even more than the “Dem’s stealing the money”.

      • James Polk

        Mitt will not save this country, what lark, Mitt is needed to “save this country” is what Mitt is using to try to have people buy into.

        There are many other things which Mitt cannot past besides his religion, flip flopping, lying, arrogance, an arrest record, a hot temper, using the F* and getting arrested, then stating he doesn’t lie.

        • James Polk

          AND had news stories done saying he doesn’t SWEAR! flip flop, and no personal responsibility.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dave, like it or not, we need to do what the Dem’s did.. appeal to the young people in this country., we cannot run an old man, they have to be able to identify with the person they are electing. This old platform of excluding different religions, and races will not work. Think about it, when the Conservatives really got rolling was during Regan’s time. All those men are now in their 70′s which means they were in their late forties when he was elected. Those same men are now out of touch with middle class America(yes, most became rich) and need to be replaced asap. Like it or not the Hispanics in 20 years will be the majority and hold considerable power. Unless you can get the Republican party to start reproducing immediately, you need to be realitic about the facts. Include them (only the legal ones of course) don’t drive them to the other party, where they are welcomed with open arms. I know it is hard for the whites to acknowledge that they will no longer be the race in power, but they can belong to the party in power, which should protect their individual rights.

  • James Polk

    Sure would not take your word John Adams. the real one would be ashamed of you.
    but the church now became the biggest player. While LDS leaders
    were conspicuously silent when Salt Lake obtained the 2002 bid and in fact made
    no official statement about the Olympics until 1998, they promptly began to prepare
    for the Games. The key was the Church Olympic Coordinating Committee established
    in October 1995, “a kind of clearinghouse for the church’s Olympic efforts.”
    Co-chaired by Apostles Robert D. Hales and Henry B. Eyring, members of the Quorum
    of the Twelve, the church’s second-highest leadership group, the committee also
    included M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Seventy; H. David Burton, the presiding
    bishop of Salt Lake; and Bruce L. Olsen, managing director of public affairs
    for the church.29 The claim that the committee’s sole function was to consider the Salt

    The primary concern was Mormon control of Olympic planning. The membership
    of the various Salt Lake bid committees and SLOC after 1995 was always predominantly
    LDS. The five most visible and important 1990s bid committee members
    were Mormons: Thomas K. Welch, president; David R. Johnson, senior vice president
    for games operations; Craig Peterson, vice president for administration; and
    committeemen Frank Richards, who solicited South America, and Bennie Smith, the
    lone African-American member, who courted the African vote.

    http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/Olympika/Olympika_2002/olympika1101b.pdf

    The 2002 Olympic Winter Games bid scandal was a scandal involving allegations of bribery to obtain the 2002 Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. Before 1995, the city had attempted several times to secure the games, but failed each time. In 1995 Salt Lake City was announced as the host city, but in 1998 the members of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) were accused of taking bribes from the Salt Lake Organizing Committee (SLOC).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Winter_Olympic_bid_scandal

    Tom Welch, the president of the bid, and his chief aide, Dave Johnson, each were indicted

    http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/21/news/mn-56718

  • Mike D

    It is WAY too soon to even talk about who’s running in 2010. There are many so we must all do our home work and get it right.

    This past election I voted for the only AMERICAN I could find, Sara Palin. Now I don’t think she has much of a chance as a candidate, but she is one hell of an American spirit and whoever SHE endorses I will defiantly be on board with!

  • Huck4Life

    I am no fan of Governor Romney’s but his religion should not be a factor in his eligibility for the presidency. At least he is honest about his religion, unlike Obama who claims to be Christian. I am a supporter of Governor Huckabee’s and will always vote for him. I believe WE THE PEOPLE will choose Huck over Romney. I will vote for either of them over Obama and would hope others would do the same. Let’s just say, may the best man win….I am confident that will be Governor Huckabee.

  • James Polk

    MItt is not honest about his religion, or what he does, that is why Mitt yelled at a Christian Talk show host, refused to address issues of his faith in other interviews, even now there are pending comments not posted, which give documentation on the Olympics, it was another poster who initially tried to put the corruption of the SLC Olympics on a non member, this type of spin and deception IS what the problem is.

    Mitt is not truthful, and should not be president.

    The whole topic of Mitts faith started with Nehra correcting a untrue statement about the Olympics.

  • http://www.kingkak@google.com Kingkak

    America! please wake up before it is too late,last November,we have just crazy for the the liar good talker no experience Nobama,why the country is going to the hell every day,let’s come back to our principle from our founding father set it for us that made America the greatest country,the most powerful,and the most prosperity country in the world.Before they hire an employee,they look at his resume and check his back ground first.What America need now is some one who had the best resume and had the track record that knew how to run the country and can lead America to prosperity,that person is Mitt,no one can live without food,every body need a job,the country need a real leader,please chose the winner,take the right person,stand at the right side of history,only Mitt had best resume, had track record,he is the strongest and smartest candidate that can beat Mr.Obama by landslide in 2012.Defeat was over,loser was gone,no more the fate candidate,don’t take the wrong side of history,or you will take the second defeat republican!

  • zeek

    John Adams thank you for your factual defense of Mitt Romney. I get tired of having to repeat redundant facts multiple times. Sometimes I feel responding to constant untrue assaults is like trying to wash off the unoriginal graffiti of high school dropouts.

    • James Polk

      Here is some factual information on Mitt today, from LDS owned Deseret News: Mitts confusion on who he is and his pandering are striking back.

      . And yet, close political observers can be forgiven for thinking that this epiphany has come rather late. After all, Romney spent much of the 2008 campaign cycle pandering to the right wing on issues like gay marriage, immigration, and guns, let alone fear of, gulp, Massachusetts. And who can forget his effort to portray himself as the voice of the “Republican wing of the Republican Party” — and to cast rival John McCain as outside the conservative mainstream? Meanwhile, it’s hard to recall a sillier speech in the entire last cycle than the one Romney gave to the Conservative Political Action Conference. There, Romney told conservative activists that he was ending his campaign because a protracted primary race might hurt the GOP’s fall prospects and thus make him complicit in “aiding a surrender to terror.”

  • chuck byard

    ROMNEY AND HUCKABEE ARE EMPTY SUITS THEY DO NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO FACE DOWN THE DEMOCRATS AND I DON’T SEE ANY STRENGTH IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OTHER THAN SARAH PALIN. THE PEOPLE SHOULD GET TOGETHER ON THIS ONE AND REMOVE ALL INCUMBENTS, PLACE THEM ON SOCIAL SECURITY, STRIP THEM OF THEIR WEALTH AND PLACE THEM ON SOCIAL SECURITY. REWRITE THE TERM LIMITS TO FOUR YEARS AND NO OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPOUSES. WE HAVE BEEN SEE SAWING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PARTIES AND MOST OF THEM END UP AS RICH CROOKS. ITS TIME WE CHANGE OUR VOTING RULES AND PUT THE VOTE BACK INTO RESPONSIBLE HANDS NOT ALLOWING ANYONE WHO CROSSES THE BORDER TO BE SIGNED UP BY ACORN TO VOTE AND REQUIRE ONLY NATURALIZED CITIZENS TO VOTE. WE NEED A FRIENDLY REVOLUTION, NOW IS THE TIME.

    • Freddie Ray Main

      I Agree with you Chuck

    • efred

      So what you’re saying is the old saw, “when in doubt, vote them out.” I’m thinking that it is high time to get a shovel and broom, and clean House (and Senate). They should be forbidden to lobby in Washington, or anywhere else for that matter, their pensions and health care revolked, as well as their exempting themselves from the laws they write. They should not be allowed to vote themselves a raise, it should be a Constitutional majority voted on by the people of this great Republic.

      I’m beginning to think that single terms would be a good idea, because Washington is so corrupting. For example, look at Duke Cunningham. Highly decorated Viet Nam fighter pilot, Deacon of his Church, respected businessman. Look at him now, a Federal prisoner doing time for graft and corruption in Congress.

      But we desperately need to straighten out the primary system to stop liberals from helping select our candidate like they did in ’08. You could say we got Sanjaya’d. We need to close the primary voting to party members only, and then implement serious consequences for voter fraud.

      Death Penalty for Voter Fraud!!

      But seriously, the importance of our right to vote is sacred, and people who deliberately try to tamper with it should be punished severely.

  • Freddie Ray Main

    I think we worry to much about 2012. Close your eyes and Imagine what this Country is going to be like in 2012 under this administration, Pretty scary. Obama needs to go now ,Hedoes not pay any attention to the Constitution. He is not acting like an American President. He rulling us like her would a 3rd world country He is out to break this nation so we can be dependent on Government. He needs to be impeached and so do all his czars and reed, pelosi,and barney frank. If we do not stop it now before 2012 we will not be able to stop this Administration, they promise the poorest of the poor and the well fare people that they will take care of them. wish they would wake up and see that they are just being used,

  • Freddie Ray Main

    I personably would like to see a Huckabee/ Palin ticket

  • chuck byard

    MAYBE YOU SEE SOMETHING I DON’T SEE IN HUCKABEE, HE IS TOO MUCH OF A WIMP AND I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT LIKE HIM ON THE SAME TICKET WITH PALIN. HE IS NOT WHAT I CONSIDER A CONSERVATIVE AND IF HE WINS THE NOMINATION WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER GEORGE BUSH WHO RAN AND HID EVERYTIME A DEMOCRAT CONFRONTED HIM. PALIN IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT PRESENTS A THREAT TO THE DEMOCRATS, HUCKABEE WOULD BE DEVOURED BY THE DEMO’S.

  • Lindy

    Sarah Palin does NOT present a threat to the Democrats, she’s a big reason they were elected. I saw the Palin – Couric interview… it was like watching a train wreck. “Which papers do you read?” “All of ‘em.” She repeated the “all of ‘em” answer three times without being able to name a single newspaper. WTF? I’ve read the uneditied transcripts… it didn’t change the fact that Sarah Palin is too inexperienced and unprepared to be trusted at that level. The “Charlie” Gibson interview (unedited transcripts again) was another disaster. At that point it seemed that her handlers realized she was in over her head and they made her stick to her talking points. Again, she didn’t have the experience or the intelligence to control the dialogue without making her need to stick to somebody else’s talking points so painfully OBVIOUS. Honestly, I want to like her, she’s attractive (not that it matters in an election), she’s definitely got charisma, (but her “you betchas” drive me nuts) and I want to believe she means well and wants to shake-up Washington as an outsider… but she needs more grooming. She needs to understand that being able to see Russia from the shores of a distant Alaskan island does not give the Alaskan governor any insights into foreign policy. Yes, she could use a term or two in Congress… but then she would be a Washington insider and lose some of her charm.

    I think the best thing the Republican Party can do is find a fresh, NEW talent, a person with a vision. His or her religion should NOT be made into an issue (sorry Mr. Dobson, Falwell et al). The party shouldn’t just find a female to throw on the ticket in an attempt to get the disenfranchised Hillary supporters (was that unfair to Mrs. Palin? You betcha!)

    Whether you like him or not, Obama has a passion, a gift for speaking and he spoke about a spirit of bipartisanship. To beat him, you need to find his Republican equal… someone with passion, someone who believes in bipartisanship (or is willing to try), someone with an understanding of the country and the world and someone who is able to speak without talking points. (btw, A teleprompter is fine as long as the candidate understands the words, believes the words and told his writers what words he wanted to say.) I don’t need someone who’s had a perfect life… just someone who’s tried to do well. Is that too much to ask?

  • James Polk

    Mitt was not chosen VP because of concerns over his Russian Connections.
    He is a risk, a risky risk for this country.

    The Church owned Desert News printed this about Mitt today:

    . “And yet, close political observers can be forgiven for thinking that this epiphany has come rather late. After all, Romney spent much of the 2008 campaign cycle pandering to the right wing on issues like gay marriage, immigration, and guns, let alone fear of, gulp, Massachusetts. And who can forget his effort to portray himself as the voice of the “Republican wing of the Republican Party” — and to cast rival John McCain as outside the conservative mainstream? Meanwhile, it’s hard to recall a sillier speech in the entire last cycle than the one Romney gave to the Conservative Political Action Conference. There, Romney told conservative activists that he was ending his campaign because a protracted primary race might hurt the GOP’s fall prospects and thus make him complicit in “aiding a surrender to terror.”

    note ‘Mitts silly speech”, what they knew ‘briefly’ about Mitt while in Mass, they could only know him ‘briefly’ because he was on vacation and gone much of the time. SLC isn’t even buying the ‘
    surrender to terror’ nonsense,when Mitt lost Super Tuesday and ended his campaign. Oh, SLC knows there is a looming scandal on the Romneys, and know the coming fall out.

    Flip, flop

  • David Wright

    The wave of support for Mitt Romney continues to grow. We need him as our President.

    http://www.freestrongamerica.com/

  • http://www.david@google.com David

    who may talking about John or some one support Sarah,or Ron Paul,or some one anti Mitt,because they are not defeat enough,they may defeat again and again,until they were knockout,when they woke-up,it is too late but they still have never learned their mistake,If Mitt was the nominee last time,he is the president now,is not Obama.Don’t just hate your enemy,please study about your enemy,when you have learned the true about your enemy you want to be his good partner or want to be his side.Look at all republican and democrat leaders,no one had best resume and best record than Mitt,and no one is smarter or stronger than Mitt,Mitt is the perfect leader for America now and even the world.Nothing more important than your stomach matter, before you can go to church,go to the company,or what ever you want to go,please don’t against the life matter,if so just look what happened to the country now by don’t care about the back ground of human been,just happy with the good talking,dancing with the funny singing,and crazy with the lying change we can believe in,change for what? only the communist and dictator use when they say one thing and do other thing, like Obama,he has his goal of change but he doesn’t want American people know,if they know they won’t vote for him,why he just say change and stopped there but still other words to complete. If America love America,Obama must to be recall out of white house,if they can’t do it, just an other easy way to stop his change by vote no for democrat on midterm 2010,so Obama can’t do any thing till 2012,and vote Obama out,so America will be back on the democracy and freedom in 2013,but we need a strong leader that can handle the massive wind will coming from every where,that man is Mitt.

  • DaveH

    Yet another anti-gun appointee courtesy of Obama:
    http://gunowners.org/a090809.htm

  • DaveH

    Neither Romney nor Huckabee has the strength to roll back the size of government. If you want bigger government, then vote for them.

    • eyeswideopen

      You are totally right..

  • Paulee

    I have read through some of these comments and cannot believe the untruths about Mitt Romney. Without a doubt, Gov. Romney has the best ethics, financial know how, moral fiber than any of the others parading around. Huckabee knows better than say Jesus and the devil in the Mormon religion are brothers.. and this is what Gov. Romney believes according to Huckabee….Come on, that is just amazing for a preacher to state. If he is that petty and mean spirited I don’t want him in the WH. or as my President. I want solid, sincere, honest, and a do unto others guy…That is not Huckabee. He was the spoiler last time, and did not get the VP pick for his efforts to linger when no chance to get the numbers. At least Mitt, was a gentleman…yes I said, gentle man..but a winner, a doer, and a complete success..I will put my bet on the winner…Romney 2012!!!!!

    • Rod

      Paulee, I think you are right! Mitt Romney is our guy for the White
      House. We believe he has the guts to CRUCH Obama and his Administration. Like I have said though, If Huckaby gets the call,
      we will vote for him and hope he comes out stronger against Obama!
      CALL A SNAKE, A SNAKE!

    • James Polk

      stuffing ballots, saying one was endorsed by the NRA when they were not, saying they were a life long hunter when they were not, not truthful, getting angry at Christian talk show hosts when asked a question, and they would not let Mitt deflect, deflecting is not the truth, a spin a lie is not the truth, but it can indicated other issues:

      “Denial is a mechanism of defense – usually the last stop before psychosis. So it does not belong with just one mental illness, Alcoholics, Gambling Addicts, Child Abusers, Psychotic people. All will say no it never happened because their Ego could not accept that about then. At that stage their grip on sanity is only marginal.
      The one who lies a lot as well is often Narcissistic and don’t cope with any assault on the ego, they are often the Pathological liars.”

  • Richard Youngman

    Is there no way to get rid of all those commies in the White House now ?

    • James Polk

      worried about commies, then you should be worried about the Romney family Russian connectiions

  • Richard Youngman

    What if Obama creates a situation to call in marshal law ?

  • Richard Youngman

    What is the percent of “peaceful”Muslims in “America” now?
    At what percent do they become obviously non-peaceful, as in other countries ? I forgot.

    • Rod

      Richard Youngman, If you think the Muslims are peaseful, try checking
      in Mayville Mi. The Muslims (Shearas) are running Americans off the streets. They put on security shirts and gang up on Americans and
      slap them in the face and run them off the streets.

  • Richard Youngman

    Pray for America and peace in Israel.
    Pay for an all Jewish Nation of Israel.
    Some day it may well be the only nation on Earth which is not run by Sharia Law.

    • DaveH

      Richard,
      Yep. And the framework is being set in place by people like those on this board. As government grows ever larger, and the citizens more apathetic, it will be easy for those bent on totalitarianism to succeed. It may be Lefties, it may be Rightees, or it may be a religiously fanatical group that disrespects human life. Whoever is in power it will still be a tyranny.

  • Michelle Ortega

    Now that Obama and the rest of the Administration have been exposed for the SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/MARXIST THAT THEY ARE We real American will take this country back

    • Rod

      Hoorah Michelle Ortega! The way to do that is, VOTE!!!! 2010 is a
      good place to start and in the mean time call your Congressman and
      Senators and tell them how you feel.

      You know folks, we could send Obama back to Kenya (where he was born)!
      Maybe he will take Palosi with him and his 33 czars too.

      • Michelle Ortega

        Hey Rod, thank you!! I have already done that and signed every petiiton I coud get my hand on I also encourage every one to do the same, I will not go quietly into the night no decent American should FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

  • Rod

    Obama’s and Palosi’s health care plan will change your life more
    than you think! It will remove our rights and will turn this
    Democracy into tyranny.

    • DaveH

      Rod,
      Are you aware that Romney sponsored the Massachusetts Health Care Bill part of which forces people to buy health care insurance? If we don’t have the freedom to determine risks to our own body, how can anybody say we have freedom? What next, the ‘diet police’?

    • DaveH

      And that is why the Republicans didn’t beat the Democrats. They offer no clear alternatives. This is a country that bandies the word freedom around on a regular basis, but remember that Actions speak louder than Words.

  • Rod

    David, Your right on! Keep on trucking!!

  • Allen

    Whatever experience Huckabee acquired by being a pastor Romney has the same thing. Since he was twelve he war part of the priesthood of the Mormon Church. When he was 19 he went on his two year mission in France where he served, taught and baptized. He went to BYU where he was required to take further religious courses and later became both a Bishop (equivalent to a Protestant pastor) and then a Stake President (equivalent to a archbishop in a Catholic Dioceses) in Massachusetts. He has helped the battered woman and counsel the young man confused with his same gender attraction. The only difference is 1. Romney didn’t get paid a cent for the countless hours of preaching, counseling, and service, and 2. He doesn’t politicize his faith. It wasn’t a huge shock (only for me a disappointment for me) that Huckabee pulled an upset in Iowa. Jerry Falwell won there in his run in 1988 against then Vice President George H. W. Bush. McCain barely won in New Hampshire, where Romney should easily win if he runs again in 2012. I believe Huckabee could be the arch rival turned running mate in 2012 just like Bush Senior was with Reagan or Biden was with Obama.

    • James Polk

      lol, Romney helped battered women, what a joke. As the women and girls assaulted in the stakes and ward the Romney family attended, many were emotionally battered to death to cover up the assaults.

      • http://www.evangelicalsformott.com TomH

        James,

        There is no evidence for your claims against Romney or the Mormon Church. I did the google search and there is nothing but opinion or speculation out there in the form of political criticisms.

        Show us the evidence.

    • James Polk

      google in sexual abuse in the Boston Mormon church, the Church was uncooperative with the investigation, and told members not to talk.

      • eyeswideopen

        Since you seem very interested in sexual scandals, type in Republican sex scandals, you will be very surprised and saddened. Let’s not pick on a specific religious group for scandals, us Christians have many,many of our own.

  • Allen

    I was intrigued by the author’s ability to cite Huckabee’s ability to not go down with the GOP and he credits this by his understanding of the Christian Right. Then my question is how has Romney kept up his popularity without a TV Show and without a greater “understanding of the Christian Right?” (Can a Mormon understand, politically speaking, the Christian Right?) Romney is as he was in 2008, the conservative. Who had the endorsement of the National Review? Romney. Who won the CPAC presidential straw poll three years in a row? Romney. As stated in my other comment comment ( September 8, 2009 at 4:23 pm) Romney is just as religiously qualified (without of the use of a denominational litmus test) as Huckabee. Mitt has both the Establishment and the Conservative power houses. I’m not worried about a fired up nomination process. The GOP nomination contest for Florida’s seat in 2010 and Governor’s race in Texas will only help spread the voice of conservatism. What are your thoughts?

  • James Polk

    Romney was stuffing the straw ballot box in Florida. Ask Ron Pauls people they caught and video taped Romneys guys cheating more than once.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformott.com TomH

    I have been reading through these posts and can’t believe how ignorant some people are about history and current events. It is staggering. Here are the facts:

    * The LDS Church discontinued polygamy in 1890. It has excommunicated members for polygamy for over 100 years.

    * The LDS Church was not involved in the Olympic Bribery scandal. There is no evidence that the Church was ever involved.

    * The highest law of the land, the CONSTITUTION forbids a religious test on candidates. Citing Romney’s religion as a reason to reject him as a viable candidate is unconstitutional.

    * There is no scandal involving the Romney Family. There is no evidence of any scandal. There are plenty of groundless accusations.

    * There is no scandalous Russian “connection” to the Romney family. There are plenty of groundless accusations.

    * Romney was not stuffing the straw ballot box in Florida.

    * Romney change his position on Abortion a few years ago and has not changed back since. This is a “change” on a social position, not a flop-flop. The flip-flop charge is a worn out media trick.

    • DaveH

      Tom,
      One of my best friends is a Mormon. I certainly have nothing against the Mormon faith. But I must warn you that weaken your arguments when you make statements like “Romney’s religion as a reason to reject him as a viable candidate is unconstitutional”.
      Hate to disappoint you, but nothing in the Constitution restricts the citizens’ voting criteria.

      • James Polk

        http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/01/20/world/main29308.shtml

        (AP) The International Olympic Committee delegate from Libya resigned Friday, the second member of the international body to step down in the Salt Lake City bribery scandal.

        IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch told The Associated Press that Bashir Mohamed Attarabulsi submitted his resignation in person Friday morning.

        The resignation came one day before a special IOC commission meets to conclude its inquiry into the Olympics’ biggest corruption scandal.

        Samaranch said Attarabulsi, an IOC member since 1977, stepped down because of revelations that his son had received college scholarships at Utah schools from Salt Lake City boosters.

        “I accepted his resignation and I thanked him for his 22 years as a member of the IOC, what he did for sport in his country and for us,” Samaranch said in a telephone interview. “He’s a good man.”

        Attarabulsi’s son, Suhel, has said he received tuition at Brigham Young University and other Utah schools, plus $700 a month for expenses. On his application to BYU, the address he listed was the Salt Lake bid committee offices.

        Finland’s Pirjo Haeggman became the first IOC casualty of the scandal when she resigned Tuesday. She was implicated because her former husband got jobs through Olympic bidding committees from Salt Lake City and Toronto.

        Repeat:

        Attarabulsi’s son, Suhel, has said he received tuition at Brigham Young University and other Utah schools, plus $700 a month for expenses. On his application to BYU, the address he listed was the Salt Lake bid committee offices.

        Repeat:

        Attarabulsi’s son, Suhel, has said he received tuition at Brigham Young University and other Utah schools, plus $700 a month for expenses. On his application to BYU, the address he listed was the Salt Lake bid committee offices.

        Repeat:

        Attarabulsi’s son, Suhel, has said he received tuition at Brigham Young University and other Utah schools, plus $700 a month for expenses. On his application to BYU, the address he listed was the Salt Lake bid committee offices.

        Not groundless on the Russian Connections, the poster above is deflecting the issue by saying groundless.

        Maybe time to call the Boston Globe.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformott.com TomH

    Nehra:

    After reading all of your posts, I believe it is safe to say that you’re a religious bigot. The only thing you know about Mormons are the criticisms from their Evangelical enemies. I find it quite ironic that Evangelical Christians want to lecture the Mormon Church about its polygamist past, but in the same breath want to be the “seed of Abraham” – a very polygamous seed indeed. (Abraham had more than one wife, and Jacob, his grandson, who became Israel had 4 wives.)

    So Nehra, what’s it going to be? You’re going to give Biblical prophet polygamists Abraham and Jacob a pass but you’re gonna try to beat up Romney who only has one wife, and is the son of a man who only had one wife, and is the grandson of a man who only had one wife?

    As a Christian, do you believe that Father Abraham and Father Israel are in heaven?

    • James Polk

      anyone who points our Romney flaws is a bigot, they just do not like the truth.

    • eyeswideopen

      LOL, Tom. that’s a gottcha moment!

      • James Polk

        Please explain: I am sure James K. Polk never saw what is stated below. I for one sir am not a bigot, and your poor use of the term to deflect meaning nothing.

        “I uncovered an obscure historical document that sheds new light on the Bigfoot mystery. I used this encounter as the basis for a fictional story that links the mystical, legend of Bigfoot to the origins of Mormonism.” says author, Shane Lester.

        Deep in the woods of Tennessee in 1835, an unparalleled encounter occurs. David Patten, an early Mormon Church leader, unwittingly opens a new facet of the future mystery of Sasquatch. His story will lend new credence to the existence of Bigfoot.

        “What does Clan of Cain mean? David Patten described an encounter with a person that represented himself as Cain, the brother of Abel found in the Holy Bible. My first chapter is a representation of the actual dialogue that was reportedly exchanged during this encounter. The book asserts the theory that Cain is in reality the legendary Sasquatch. The rest of the book is a fictional extrapolation based upon the validity of that account,” explains Lester.

        From the legendary tale the story then propels the reader to the last remnants of undiscovered wilderness of the Pacific Northwest where a young man takes a journey of a lifetime. Spencer James joins a group of scientists in their quest to find the legendary Bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest. Egos, deception, and conflicting agendas are brought into a singular effort by a millionaire consumed with revenge and hate. Spencer becomes the moral compass, standing alone in a forest of scientific amorality. Despite their technology the truth becomes more allusive, challenging their intent and ethics, questioning the morality of their methods and the very reason for the hunt.

        Recent creditable sightings, such as the one by Psychologist Dr. Matthew Johnson on July 1 2000, have reinvigorated the interest in Sasquatch. ( http://www.sasquatchsite.com/ ). The Skookum Cast discovered in September 22 2000 ( http://www.bfro.net/NEWS/BODYCAST/index.html ) mentioned in the book is also an important find as we continuethe search for Bigfoot in the new millennium.

        A man, a myth and the obsession to know the truth will reveal a story that will forever change the way you think about Bigfoot.

        To read the first chapter log on to http://www.clanofcain.com .

        What Christian Church has Big Foot doctrine? It was repeated back in Spencer Kimball’s book Miracle of Forgiveness.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformott.com TomH

    About the Republican Nomination in 2012:

    Based on the numbers today, it is unlikely that Huckabee

    If Sarah Palin runs, she’ll diminish Huckabee’s numbers and provide a win for Romney.

    Governor Romney on the Issues

    Gov. Romney is for traditional marriage and he has proven it:

    * He pushed for an amendment to Massachusetts’ constitution to overturn the same-sex “marriages” that courts have imposed
    * He testified before Congress and wrote to senators in favor of the Federal Marriage Amendment
    * He ordered enforcement of a little-known 1913 law to prevent out-of-state gay couples from getting “married” in Massachusetts and provoking a national constitutional crisis
    * He opposes civil unions, but the Democrats in the state legislature demanded that they be legalized in the constitutional amendment

    Gov. Romney is for the sanctity of human life and he has proven it:

    * He is a “convert” to the pro-life position, much like Ronald Reagan
    * He believes life begins at conception even though his church has no official position on the matter
    * He vetoed a bill to give kids access to emergency contraception without parents’ knowledge
    * He promised a “moratorium” on changes to abortion laws in his 2002 gubernatorial run
    * He opposes Roe v. Wade and thinks states should set abortion policy
    * He opposes cloning of human embryos for stem cell research—even though his wife has multiple sclerosis
    * He vetoed a bill to expand such research despite the overwhelmingly hostile liberal majority in his state legislature
    * Quote: “In considering the issue of embryo cloning and embryo farming, I saw where the harsh logic of abortion can lead—to the view of innocent new life as nothing more than research material or a commodity to be exploited.”

    Gov. Romney understands the threat jihadists pose to the United States and he isn’t afraid to say so:

    * He criticized the administration’s decision to rely solely on WMD rationale for Iraq rather than making a positive case
    * He endorsed surveillance of radical mosques
    * Quote: “The president is right to point to an international jihadist movement aimed at the collapse of the United States. He has gone after that threat in the right way and with great energy and vigor, and I applaud the fact that he has taken it on very seriously and has not considered it just a criminal action but instead a war action, which requires a military…response.”

    Gov. Romney is pro-growth on economic issues and he has proven it:

    * He balanced Massachusetts’ budget without raising taxes despite finding a $3 billion deficit when he entered office
    * He is seeking to cut the state income tax from 5.3% to 5%
    * He opposes Kyoto-esque “global warming” proposals, unlike John McCain
    * He secured the enactment of a sweeping health care reform plan that the Heritage Foundation, America’s premier conservative think tank, supports

    Gov. Romney is for the rule of law and he has proven it:

    * He opposed a bill that would have allowed illegal aliens to get driver’s licenses
    * He vetoed a bill to give illegal aliens the right to in-state tuition at public universities
    * He is seeking to allow state troopers to arrest illegal immigrants
    * Quote: “I’m against an amnesty and against anything that provides an incentive for people to come here illegally.”

    Gov. Romney has earned the praise of conservative leaders:

    * “Charming. Smart. Conservative.”—National Review
    * “We couldn’t be happier with him.”—Barbara Anderson, Citizens for Limited Taxation (the leading taxpayer group in Massachusetts)
    * “On either [gay marriage or stem cells], a good case can be made that Romney has fought harder for social conservatives than any other governor in America, and it is difficult to imagine his doing so in a more daunting political environment.”—John J. Miller, National Review
    * “In the worst possible circumstances, he confronted one of the toughest issues of our politics with considerable moral seriousness and political skill. That’s the mark of a conservative statesman.”—Matthew Spalding, The Heritage Foundation
    * “I could in very good conscience support Romney as a fellow social conservative on most of the issues we care about.”—Chuck Colson
    * “As more Americans meet Mitt Romney, I think they’ll see beyond the handsome exterior and see not just a good salesman, but a thoughtful (and, yes, conservative) leader.”—Kathryn Jean Lopez, syndicated columnist and editor of National Review Online
    * “Mr. Romney could be an attractive presidential candidate. His sunny disposition puts one in mind of Ronald Reagan—he laughs easily and smiles almost continuously….[His] views put him well within the mainstream of GOP conservatism.”—James Taranto, Wall Street Journal
    * “On marriage and cloning, he has provided aggressive leadership as a positive, pro-family governor”—Kris Mineau, Massachusetts Family Institute
    * “Mitt Romney is a brave man. While the GOP glitterocracy attended the first gay wedding of one of their own, Gov. Romney was in Washington, D.C., making the single most eloquent and articulate defense of our traditional understanding of marriage I have heard from an American politician.”—Maggie Gallager, President, Institute for Marriage and Public Policy
    * “As a politician, Mitt Romney is considered by friend and foe to be the total package.”—Dean Barnett, The Weekly Standard

    • James Polk

      Mitt Romney, Boston Child sexual abuse in Mormon church, uncooperative, members told not to talk.

      Long history of child sexual history in the Bloomfield Hills Stake where the Romney family lived — covered up

      LDS Social Service male social worker alleged molestation of 2 year old, mother banged on car windows in church parking lot begging for help, saying LDS church in Michigan told her if she talked the chruch would see she lost her children, church shipped family out of Howell, Michigan ward. Other cases in incest in ward un-reported, mother silenced

      want to keep on lying and have the tapes but on the internet?

      “Denial is a mechanism of defense – usually the last stop before psychosis. So it does not belong with just one mental illness, Alcoholics, Gambling Addicts, Child Abusers, Psychotic people. All will say no it never happened because their Ego could not accept that about then. At that stage their grip on sanity is only marginal.
      The one who lies a lot as well is often Narcissistic and don’t cope with any assault on the ego, they are often the Pathological liars.”

  • http://www.sarahpac.com/ Sarah P

    Mike Huckabee (strikes against)

    1. Would IMPOSE Creationism as the SCIEITNTIFIC method of how the world came to be.
    2. Said Duncan Hunter should be secretary of State. (Scary!)
    3. Released rapist, Wayne Dumond, that raped Bill Clinton’s cousin.
    4. Huckabee lied about the release of the rapist.
    5. Ran on the platform of “helping the poor” in 2008 but has flip-flopped on supporting Universal Health care, the most IMPORTANT piece of legislation to help the poor, according to his social views.
    6. Is still a big supporter of comprehensive immigration. (Like George Bush).
    7. Huckabee promoted “open door” policy in 2005.
    8. His record shows he was a “big” government Governor and FAR from a fiscal conservative.
    9. During Governor Hucakbee’s term, Welfare spending increased 92% – overall spending increased at three times the rate of inflation.
    10. He earned a “D” grade from the CATO Institute.
    11. The San Diego Union Tribune reported in 2007 that Huckabee was guilty of fiscal malfeasance to the tune of $450,000!
    12. Huckabee supported “cap-in-trade” system.
    13. As Arkansas Governor, Huckabee granted more clemencies than all neighboring states combined.
    14. In 2007, said he wanted to negotiate with Iran and invade Pakistan (just like Obama).

    Has Huckabee changed his position on any of these issues? If so, he’s the biggest flip-flopper of all. If not, he’s a lousy Republican candidate!

    Go Sarah 2012!!!

  • DaveH

    Just one of many reasons that we need to get back to Constitutional Law and Limited Government, and neither of the two aforementioned candidates will accomplish that. Big Government run amok:
    http://w3.newsmax.com/a/sep09/bernard_kerik_trial/?s=al&promo_code=8846-1

    • James Polk

      Constitutional law? Did you see the look on Ron Paul’s face when Romney said he would consult his lawyers? Priceless.

      • DaveH

        James, I have no idea what you meant by that. But you can see all the contentiousness on this board, and we are a small subset of society. How can we ever hope to make everyone happy with a ‘one size fits all’ Big Government?
        Education is a good example. The Liberals want all reference to God removed and the Right-Wingers don’t want Liberals propagandizing their kids with gay-rights, etc. Imagine how much more peaceful it would be if the parents were given vouchers and could send their kids to the school of their choice. The Liberals could send their children to the pabulum-feeding schools, and the religious people could send their kids to religiously oriented schools.
        We would be a much more peaceful and prosperous society without the meddling and heavy handedness of an expensive Big Government.
        Big Government is the problem, not the solution.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

    James:

    Go out to Wikipedia and look up the Bribery scandal and you won’t find any mention of “scholarships” as bribes. You’ll also find that the Justice Department investigation resulted in all charges being dropped against SLOC directors.

    You’ll also find that in the bidding process, cities are allowed to LEGALLY donate all kinds of “gifts” to Olympic Committee members.

    I repeat, bid cities are allowed to LEGALLY donate all kinds of “gifts” to Olympic Committee members.
    I repeat, cities are allowed to LEGALLY donate all kinds of “gifts” to Olympic Committee members.
    I repeat, SLOC directors were acquitted of bribery charges.
    I repeat, SLOC directors were acquitted of bribery charges.

    Mitt Romney was brought in as the NEW SLOC chairman. At that time, SLOC was 397 million in debt in the aftermath of September 11th. Romney reorganized the committee, cut expenses, and acquired new sponsors. The Utah sponsored Olympics were among the most successful in history. At the end, Romney turned a 397 million deficit to a 100 million dollar surplus.

    In 2002, when he took office as Governor of Massachusetts, he faced a 3 BILLION dollar deficit. At the end of his term, he turned that into a 700 million dollar surplus without raising income taxes.

    Can you name a better fiscal candidate for 2012 that can measure up to Romney’s success?

    • James Polk

      So, I take it you feel Wiki is the end all to ALL history, check out the link to the news article.

      O.k. maybe someone will need to put the information in Wiki

      repeated for your benefit:

      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/01/20/world/main29308.shtml

      (AP) The International Olympic Committee delegate from Libya resigned Friday, the second member of the international body to step down in the Salt Lake City bribery scandal.

      IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch told The Associated Press that Bashir Mohamed Attarabulsi submitted his resignation in person Friday morning.

      The resignation came one day before a special IOC commission meets to conclude its inquiry into the Olympics’ biggest corruption scandal.

      Samaranch said Attarabulsi, an IOC member since 1977, stepped down because of revelations that his son had received college scholarships at Utah schools from Salt Lake City boosters.

      “I accepted his resignation and I thanked him for his 22 years as a member of the IOC, what he did for sport in his country and for us,” Samaranch said in a telephone interview. “He’s a good man.”

      Attarabulsi’s son, Suhel, has said he received tuition at Brigham Young University and other Utah schools, plus $700 a month for expenses. On his application to BYU, the address he listed was the Salt Lake bid committee offices.

      Finland’s Pirjo Haeggman became the first IOC casualty of the scandal when she resigned Tuesday. She was implicated because her former husband got jobs through Olympic bidding committees from Salt Lake City and Toronto.

      Repeat:

      Attarabulsi’s son, Suhel, has said he received tuition at Brigham Young University and other Utah schools, plus $700 a month for expenses. On his application to BYU, the address he listed was the Salt Lake bid committee offices.

      Repeat:

      Attarabulsi’s son, Suhel, has said he received tuition at Brigham Young University and other Utah schools, plus $700 a month for expenses. On his application to BYU, the address he listed was the Salt Lake bid committee offices.

      Repeat:

      Attarabulsi’s son, Suhel, has said he received tuition at Brigham Young University and other Utah schools, plus $700 a month for expenses. On his application to BYU, the address he listed was the Salt Lake bid committee offices.

  • chuck byard

    JUST VOTE NO ON ROMNEY & HUCKABEE

    YES ON PALIN!! SORRY YOU GALS THAT ARE SO ENVIOUS OF HER, LOOKS AND BRAINS!!

    • eyeswideopen

      Can’t be envious of her looks,past the age for that. Whey you get older you realize that looks will be gone, but character and intelligance live on. Her brains are even up for discussion, hopefully she will try to “progress” them.. lol

  • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

    James:

    Your fantasies about a scandal involving the Mormon Church and child sex abuse cannot be substantiated in the real world.

    The Mormon Church does not have a paid clergy. When it is discovered that leaders in the Church have broken their Mormon covenants and abused others, they are removed from their lay-clergy position, and promptly discipined by the Church by excommunication if proven by witnesses.

    To be prosecuted, they must be prosecuted by State officials. According to State records

    1) There is no investigation against Romney, or child sexual abuse in the Mormon Church, or uncooperative members.

    2) There is no evidence of a long history of child sexual abuse in the Bloomfield Hills Stake.

    3) There is no evidence of a cover up.

    4) Within the LDS Church, there is no silencing of members since there is a lay-clergy. The Church calls its leaders from within its congregations and does not pay them. There is never a fear to lose a leader since a new leader can be called at anytime by one of the many prepared and skilled leaders within the congregation.

    5) The LDS Church does not ship family members anywhere. The LDS Church recognizes the family unit first and the Church is second to it.

    6) The LDS Church encourages people to follow the law and report abuse when it is discovered.

    James, you’re going to have to actually come up with some evidence regarding your fallacious claims.

    In all religions, we find sexual perpetrators. Within the LDS Church, sexual abuse is swiftly and promptly disciplined and does not shield offenders and complies with the laws of the State.

    • James Polk

      ROTFL, bull.

  • James Polk

    “In all religions, we find sexual perpetrators. Within the LDS Church, sexual abuse is swiftly and promptly disciplined and does not shield offenders and complies with the laws of the State.”

    LDS Social Services is unlicensed, they stay unlicensed for a reason. Sad, very sad, the callous disregard of sexual abuse victims from the Michigan area.

    • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

      Now it’s Michigan? Romney was a lay-clergy leader in Massachusetts.

      Within the LDS faith, the committment to sexual purity is strongly commanded. When members are baptized they make a covenant with God that they will live chaste lives outside marriage and remain faithful inside marriage.

      These standards are regularly taught in adult meetings and youth meetings. Sexual abuse of children is not tolerated. Therefore, there is no sexual abuse within the “Church.”

      However, there are members of the Church who refuse to follow commandments from God that have been revealed by the Church. No religion can ultimately control what its members do.

      When incidents arise, there are disciplinary procedures that are followed. Church members are also taught and encouraged to obey and sustain and use the law to protect them from evil and harmful relationships or abuse.

      As a leader, Romney regularly taught the members in congregations, over which he had stewardship, to live clean and chaste lives without exceptions.

      • James Polk

        The Romney family is from Michigan, Mitt grew up in Michigan and his family held leadership position in the LDS church. They shut down most investigations in Michigan, where they have many friends and influence.

        Boston sex abuse the church was uncooperative with police and the church members told not to talk.

        The unhappy part, the posts denying child sexual abuse in the LDS community indicates the discounting and how disposable women and child are, and it is a very callous and cruel indication human response.

  • James Polk

    They are NOT swiftly taken care of and they are shield.

    • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

      James:

      In the LDS religion, LDS social services is comprised of counseling services for adoptions, abuse victims, addictions, or other problems. It’s a counseling service.

      By all means, weave counselors back into your story and make it plausible.

      Furthermore, Church discipline is based on evidence. Either the victims or the perpetrators must come forward. These matters are handled by local Bishops and Stake presidents, and not by Church headquarters in SLC.

      Like I said, nothing you have claim so far checks out with how the Church operates and have failed to cite any credible source for your accusations.

      It’s my opinion that you’re making it up as you go along.

      • James Polk

        What is sick about your position wiht the suffering women and children went through. Your sick, and a liar.

        Quotes from YOUR stake presidents: Don’t tell it will hurt God’s work.

        Nothing is made up, just the typical deflection of what the LDS church leaders have done. You cannot even face facts.

        You cannot face the truth, never could.

        Pathological? I think they are.

        L

  • http://www.victor@google.com Victor

    Hey! republican,don’t fight ourselves,please unite with our real leader Mitt and march to Washington,take the white house and fight the enemies,chase the terrorist,destroy all the problems.Obama sound is too loud,we need the louder sound than Obama like Mitt so he can debate Obama one by one.Just look the person who has more energy,more power,more ability,more smart,more intelligent,more strong,more courage,more experience,more economy expert,more integrity,and look more presidential,only that person can beat Obama,that man is Mitt,he is the right leader for republican for America,for the country,and even he fit to be the world leader.

    • James Polk

      March with Mitt what a joke. There are better choices than Romney,

  • James Polk

    What is sick about your position is the suffering women and children went through. Your sick, and a liar, your words are nothing but a deflection, and indication of a group which cares little for the harm done to innocent people, as power is seized.

  • Nehra

    Romney motto: Ignore, deflect, deny, and repeat as necessary
    or put otherwise,

    Relationships with Abusive Narcissists

    http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse4.html

    If Republicans intend to run a competitive race, they will need to look beyond a pander, like Romney.

    My initial post was to correct a false statement on the Olympics, and it became a sparring game with a Romney supporter. False statement, abusive actions at the polls, dishonest behavior turned a wary eye on on Romney as a person, which cost him the election, and yes the Russian connection he will not confront.

    Even Hunter questioned Romney on questionable business deals with Communist nations, some putting our nations security at risk.

    Perhaps Comrade Putin can “March with Romney” , however wise people will steer from this egotistical, self serving man.

    • Rod

      Nehra, you must be for – - – somthing? I am not sure what party you
      belong to. What ever party you belong to, you have to support that
      party! If you spend your life calling the candidates names, your
      wasting your time. If you are Republican, The candidate the people
      of that party choose is the candidate we support. Both Mitt Romney
      and Mike Huckaby are good candidates. They are BOTH honest men and
      have the courage to bring this country of ours back to a Democracy!
      Lets help the party in the hope that we the people, will have the wisdom to pick
      the candidate best suited for the job?

      • James Polk

        I have the wisdom to know it is NOT Mitt. Besides if you do not like the President, to support and man of less value such as Romney, is brainless. There are better candidates and people out their to choose from than Romney.

  • Rod

    OK eyeswideopen. So your a Republican. Iam a member of the RNC. Are
    you a member of the RNC? It seems to me that alot of us are Republicans and really care what this administration is doing to us.
    If we really care and want to effect change than we have to get on
    the same page! We have to do our best to make the Republican party
    a success. I know Obama is a PUPPET! He is being told what to do by
    the people that put him in that office. I can tell you this, his
    and Palosi’s so called health care plan has nothing to do with our
    health. It’s about taking over our future, our freedom. If your
    concerned about that,get off your duffs and call your Congressman
    and Senators, tell them how you feel and VOTE! Talk to your friends
    and neighbors.

    • eyeswideopen

      I am, I will be voting out every Republican that I put in office. They didn’t ahere to the platform of fiscal responsibility… only hoping we can come up with new people with ethics and morals. I am looking at the Libertarians and Independents with an open mind. This year is the first year I won’t be donating to the RNC. They wasted my money. For over forty years, even when I was broke, I sent them money, not anymore, Michael Steele is a joke.

      • DaveH

        Right on Eyes,
        Go Green, Recycle Congress!

  • Rod

    James Polk, Name calling will get you NOWHERE! I KNOW! Alot is at stake! If we are Republicans, then lets join the party. You could
    even go to your local RNC and ask them what you can do for your party.
    I can tell you, there is plenty to do!

  • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

    James:

    You wrote:
    “Quotes from YOUR stake presidents: Don’t tell it will hurt God’s work.
    Nothing is made up, just the typical deflection of what the LDS church leaders have done. You cannot even face facts. You cannot face the truth, never could.”

    Don’t tell what? Which Church leaders? Names? What “facts” James? So far, you have not cited any facts in any case in real life.

    The truth is this: in the human race, there are sexual predators. Some of those humans have been baptized into the LDS Church. The LDS Church teaches and requires that members live clean, chaste lives.

    Your accusation that Romney could not serve because they are disobedient members in his Church is ABSURD!

    Your accusation that LDS leaders INTENTIONALLY protect child predators is unfounded. If so, please report their names and let’s submit their names to the Stake presidents, Bishops and the Church.

    I’ll help you.

    • Nehra

      Lie somewhere else about the cover up of sexual abuse, what you are saying is it is NOT important.
      Romney is not the man to run for office.

      • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

        Nehra:

        If you don’t want to vote for Romney, that’s fine. But you do not possess any facts about a cover up or any wrong doing by Romney or the LDS Church.

  • Rod

    Chuck Byard Yes Palin is great! She has smarts and well, looks too!
    However, Lets try to see her as a Freshman She can do GREAT things
    in Congress or even the Senate. She will make a great President- -
    - – LATER! Just think of how crazy she would drive those other
    Congressman! It would make my day!

  • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

    Nehra:

    You wrote:
    “Romney motto: Ignore, deflect, deny, and repeat as necessary
    or put otherwise, …If Republicans intend to run a competitive race, they will need to look beyond a pander, like Romney.”

    * Romney does not ignore he engages aggressively in the national debate.
    * Romney does not deflect he engages aggressively in the national debate.
    * Romney does not agree with his political opponents he aggressively in the national debate.

    Nehra, you haven’t accurately represented any facts about Romney in your posts. Your rhetoric is mostly emotional, baseless, and biased.

    Did you even read this article?
    * Today, Both Romney and Huckabee show a 38 to 48 percent (Obama) incumbent scenario
    * The Clarus poll furthermore found Romney is the most popular candidate among Republicans and independents who lean Republican for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012, with 30 percent intending to vote for him.

    Go scroll up and look at Huckabee’s legacy. Do you think his record is going to appeal to Americans after Obama?

    Also, I directly challenge you to post a link that discusses a questionable connection between Mitt Romney’s businesses and Russia. You’ll be searching a long time. There is no such connection.

    Nehra, why spend your time in emotional and irrational rhetoric? Let’s stick with the facts – not the rumor mill.

    • Nehra

      Facts Not Rumor Mill, some will read will begin to know Romney for what he is, a man and family of self interest, to put such a man in office is a travesty, republican or not.

      There are other people to chose from, hopefully some one will come from the shadows, like Palin did in the last moments and kept that man out of the VP position.

      Romney will never be truthful, they are incapable.

      • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

        Nehra:

        Romney is a man who can get things done. Every human being is self-interested. But what you claim about Romney is groundless. Romney only wants this country to be great, out of debt, conservative, where the family is protected from radical social experiments, and a place that is competitive wherein our children can have access to opportunity that will last their lifetime.

        If you haven’t noticed, it takes very organized, strong, influential people to build a coalition for lasting change.

        Romney wants to bring about change through the Republican party. many influential and bright people in the Republican party believe Romney’s resume PROVES he’s the only candidate who can bring about the change I am talking about.

        Go look for yourself. Go look at the resume of the other potential Republican candidates. Name your guy or gal that is superior to Romney. You won’t be able to rationally argue that there is a better candidate.

  • Rod

    Tom H. I am not a Morman, however i believe that name calling is not
    going to get any of us on the same page! I was told that recently
    myself.

    I believe we have a common enemy. If we are smart, and play our cards
    right and act for the common good of our country and our party. GOD,
    Country, Party through our lord Jesus Christ, we will win out against
    Satan. We have people in Washington that are trying to destroy our
    country. We have to join together and fight these people!

    • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

      Rod:

      The only way we can save our country is to work together to defeat Liberal policies and philosophies in regard to social, fiscal, and defense issues.

      I don’t believe I used any “name calling” in my posts, but I am happy for you to point it out if I did.

      We need level heads in 2012. We need facts not speculation. Romney didn’t get a fair shake in 2008 because too many Evangelical conservatives tried to make him the devil because he doesn’t share their particular brand of Christianity. This is unacceptable.

      The Nehras of the party are the real threat to victory for the Republican party – irrational, emotional, mean-spirited loyalists to Mike Huckabee’s religious test.

      I suppose it doesn’t matter much because this time around the conservative Christian vote will be split between Huckabee and Palin and Romney will most likely take the rest.

  • Nehra

    Funny you say stating facts is name calling, stating what deflections are name calling, stating what types of personalities deflect and why the deflect is not name calling.

    Vote as you choose, no vote will be cast for Romney.

    • Tammy

      First, I am LDS and pray that I will NOT have to vote for Huckabee. Was I offended by his “question” regarding what the LDS believe about the relationship between Jesus Christ and Lucifer – ABSOLUTELY. I was offended by his feigned innocence. He spoke at the SBC in Salt Lake, I think he was even the keynote speaker. There is NO WAY that he doesn’t know what Mormons believe and he purposely presented his “question” to scare the evangelicals (the ones like Nehra and James who refuse to think for themselves)into thinking that Mitt Romney worships Satan…nothing is further from the truth. Of course there’s also the negative ad that he called a press conference to say he wasn’t going to air…but decided to show it to “prove” he had one. Of course this was his way of getting his ad aired for free while putting on his “good guy” act for his supporters (whom apparently will buy anything from him – talk about a snake oil salesman!). I don’t want a religous bigot (make no mistake – he is one) as President. He is also mean spirited and a proponent of class warfare. His jealousy of Mitt Romney was transparent – he took jabs at his wealth every speech he made. He and McCain beat up on Romney from the beginning and in the end it was Romney who behaved as a statesman.

      James A – as for your claims about the Mormon church covering up abusive practices; as a woman, I can tell you that you are absolutely wrong. Are there Mormons that commit such crimes? No doubt there are. Just as with any other church, there are hypocrites but that is no fault of the church or it’s leaders! I’ve read the article you’ve posted about the Salt Lake Olympic games and fail to see the connection to the church leaders you claim is there. My dad used to say that if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance you should baffle them with bull – it appears that you got the same advice.

      If (heaven forbide) I’m forced to make a choice between Huckabee and Obama, I will vote for Huckabee because my country means more to me than my ill feelings toward Huckabee AND at the very least I believe he loves this country, I can’t say that about our current President.

      One more thing – Nehra, judging by the comments on this blog I would say that your declaration that no vote will be cast for Romney is ridiculous. He will definitely have mine!

  • eyeswideopen

    This is classic, you people argue about who should run for President!!It won’t matter who runs, if you don’t figure out how to reduce government. Most of you are Republicans do you have any idea what your representatives are doing in Wash.? besides making us look like idiots?? They need to come up with legislation for the healthcare bill, as it will be pushed through, like it or not. You have to be in the game to change it.

    • Tammy

      I think the discussion regarding a future President is a result of the article. I think it’s normal to look toward the future with hope in the face of adversity.

      I’ve signed petitions, attended two tea parties and written letters to my reps as well as Nancy Pelosi. I consider myself very much in the game and I am constantly trying to encourage others to pay attention as well. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who are willing to ignore what’s happening in this country because they “don’t have time to pay attention.” Sad isn’t it, but that is the answer I have actually heard more than once from coworkers who spend a good portion of their time on facebook playing Farmville. Sickening.

    • DaveH

      Eyes,
      If the Republicans sign on to the bill, then they will once again be complicit with government growth. If they are smart, they will stay out of it and make it purely a Democrat thing. I can’t believe that my state senators (both Republicans) are still hanging tough.
      This is going to be the Democrats’ Waterloo if the Republicans are smart enough to stay out of it.

  • Nehra

    Well, Tammy you are fibbing – as a person who was in office in the LDS church I can tell you THEY DO! Sad you are not being honest.

    And the LDS church DOES believe Satan and Christ were spirit brothers in the spirit world, so be offended.

    By the way there are plenty of LDS women who cover up sexual abuse, some are intimidated, others are corrupt and do so because they get favors.

    • Tammy

      Nehra – apparently you pick and choose what you want to read. First, I didn’t deny that there are probably bad members of the church…I said that there are hypocrits in EVERY church and it isn’t the fault of the church or it’s leaders. I don’t believe that the church leaders cover this stuff up because there is no reason to. I have also watched countless talks about abuses and where those in these situations can go for help.

      Second, reread my post. I said I was offended by Huckabee’s feigned “innocent” question. He knows what Mormons believe, he timed his “innocent” question perfectly – to scare people into believing Mormons worship Satan and thereby scaring them away from Mitt Romney who was leading Iowa up til that point. Huckabee was dishonest about his knowledge and I found it offensive. Furthermore, I don’t know what “in office in the LDS church means” but if you were truly a member (which I admit that I doubt because of your comments on the Godmakers – you would know is full of sensationalism and distortion of fact) then you know that the LDS believe ALL of us are spirit children of one God and that includes Lucifer…he was in heaven once and was cast out (according to the Bible). This certainly doesn’t elevate Satan – we believe he is the father of lies, the devil, our enemy.

      To accuse me of lying is simply more evidence to your simple mindedness. You have no idea who I am or what my circumstances have been, how dare you!

      This is a political blog – go to a Mormon bashing site and spend time with likeminded people who hate what they don’t understand (and spend no time trying to).

      • DaveH

        Tammy,
        You are wasting your time with this guy. As the saying goes “Don’t explain; your friends don’t need it and your enemies won’t believe you anyway”.

  • Nehra

    Ask Dr. Phiffer

    ” Don’t tell you will hurt god’s work”

    sad

    The lds molester, who was molesting children in the Bloomfield Hills stake, drove a blue Gremlin, lived in the area, the same time as the Oakland County child killer. Shhhhh….. don’t tell the mom was told, even as her child was molested again, and again.

    Go lie somewhere else.

  • Molly Mormon

    It is an LDS belief, and Christians may question, perfectly normal for it to raise a question. Thou doth offend too easily.

    According to LDS doctrine, the two oldest sons of God were Jesus and Lucifer. Lucifer convinced one-third of his brothers and sisters to join him in rebellion and were expelled from Heaven (see Gospel Principles, chapter 3 [link]). The other two-thirds became the humans born on our earth. This doctrine is mainly drawn from Joseph Smith’s revelations in the Book of Abraham and the Book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price. According to Joseph Smith, Moses recorded:

    • Jesus was the firstborn spirit child of Heavenly Father (D&C 93:21) and is the older brother of our spirits.
    • Lucifer, who became Satan, was also a spirit child of Heavenly Father.

     Sandra Tanner descendent of Brigham Young

    Apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated:
    God lives in the family unit. He is our Father in heaven—the literal and personal Father of the spirits of all men. He begat us; we are the offspring of Heavenly Parents: we have an Eternal Father and an Eternal Mother. We were born as spirits, and we dwelt in the presence of our Eternal Parents; we lived before our mortal birth. As spirits we were in all respects as we are now save only that we were not housed in mortal bodies as is the present circumstance. Christ was the Firstborn of all the heavenly host; Lucifer was a son of the morning: each of us came into being as conscious identities in our appointed order; and Christ is our Elder Brother. (The Mortal Messiah, vol. 1, p. 21)

    • Tammy

      Molly,

      Just to be clear – the question itself is not offensive, the obvious intent of Mike Huckabee was. The truth is that coming from Huckabee it was not a question, it was a well timed statement. I have no problem with those who ask questions regarding my faith, I welcome them as an opportunity to clear up the misconceptions out there. My problem lies in questions with an obvious agenda.

      I am not debating my faith here, I am merely stating that I think Mike Huckabee is a man of questionable character. His actions during the primary season were mean spirited and dishonest, that was and remains my point.

  • Rich

    Wow this debate on god and religion is all fascinating to someone like me who never wants to be a Constitutionalist because they insert god into everything. I can debate god with the best of you and have studied most of the major religions of the world, or at least those that have mad a very significant impact on large portions of society and 1 million people out of 3 billion is not a large portion so thanks for some of the insights. I am not attacking by the way just making the point that I could care less if Obama had actually declared he was Muslim, which I firmly believe he is, but all of you Christians are so scared of the big bad Muslim that no one would have elected him. Does not our constitution guarantee freedom of religion? Yes I agree with one comment, I forget who wrote it that said, you need to look at a persons faith to see what they believe. Problem is that no one believed that Obama could in a million years believe like Reverend Wright, but hey guess what he said that what the cops did to his friend was wrong without knowing the facts, when in reality his friend was being an idiot. I wonder how many people know that almost all of the worlds religions have lots of similarities. Oh well let’s keep arguing religion while the Communists and Fascists undermine our country from the inside while we bicker about who’s god is right, allowing them to take our country from us while we sit like idiot savants wondering how we let it happen.

    • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

      Rich:

      Mormons do not want to talk about their religious views in a political debate. Every religious traditional has their out set of interpretations and observances. In truth, it doesn’t belong in the debate.

      What to do about this problem? Ask people to keep questions along political lines and leave Romney’s Huckabee’s and Palin’s religious views on a particular interpretation of the Bible, OUT of the debate.

      • Rich

        Nope you don’t leave them entirely out of the debate, I agree with that part. Problem is that religious views as taught by a religion are both open to interpretation and written words. With that said, just because you take something to mean one thing I may take it another so this bickering back and forth as to what it teaches is allowing for people to take over and undermine our government right now. In order to know what that person’s views are you must listen and watch as only by the words they speak and the actions the do will you honestly know what a person believes.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

    Nehra,

    Mormons hold the same disdain and disgust for child molesters as everyone else.

    The Mormon Church does not tolerate child molestation and regularly works with civil authorities to root out abuse within its communities. Mitt Romney is not a child molester and has never protected child molesters. There is no evidence anywhere that connects Romney with child molestation.

    Mitt Romney is for chastity before marriage and fidelity within marriage. He has spoken out about helping unwed mothers – encouraging them to consider adoption or marriage to protect and provide for the child.

    Do you understand what it means to tell the truth and the whole truth? Do you understand what it means to “bear false witness against your neighbor?”

    Your approach to child molestation consists of mentioning car colors and vague geographical locations but no names.

    You say that the LDS Church is involved in a cover up but yet you continue to protect the “child molester” yourself.

    If you “KNOW” there is a child molester on the lose, then name his name here and his address, and I will be happy to contact the police in his/her area. Perhaps you lack the courage, but I don’t.

    If you don’t name his name or his address, then we’ll know that it is you who have borne false witness against Romney and the LDS Church. Then you can learn your lesson and we can move on to more important topics like fiscal and social conservatism and how all Republicans can work together to undue the damage done by the far left of our country.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

    Molly:

    I appreciate your attempt to try to clear up the misunderstanding that some Christians have about Jesus and Lucifer. However, these efforts are usually fruitless in view of how other Christians over emphasize the “creedal” definition of Jesus rather than the Biblical definition.

    In Christian thought, beginning in the 4th century, Jesus became the “uncreated” logos and therefore it is impossible for them to consider Jesus as a son of God in the sense that Mormons believe Jesus Christ is a son of God, prior to the Creation. Also, absent in your explanation is the Mormon doctrine of the eternal existence of the soul of Jesus Christ. (DC 93:29) We too have an “uncreated” component in our doctrine that is confused when we use the words “first born.”

    For traditional Christians, this topic is further muddled because of their lack of religious teaching about Father, Jesus, and Lucifer and all of the host of heaven PRIOR TO the creation of the world.

    What is correct is that Huckabee misused this topic to muddy the political waters by introducing a “divergent Christian belief” for the sole purpose of encouraging and and imposing a “religious” test for Romney.

    What Huckabee’s followers don’t realize is that EARLY Christians believed that Jesus Christ and Lucifer (before Lucifer rebelled) were considered “brothers” since Lucifer had, prior to his rebellion, followed the Father. Lucifer was called the “son of the Morning” and he had great position and glory prior to his fall.

    But who wants to talk about all of this during political debate? No one. I certainly don’t.

    This incident taught me a lesson about Huckabee. Huckabee has a double standard. He doesn’t want to be questioned about his religious beliefs or criticized for a specific religious teaching, but he uses it against Romney to play on the religious heart strings of Evangelical conservatives. Huckabee has a problem. He’s willing to use a “little bit of truth” to create a bigger lie and dissension among political lines using instances of religious dogma. Its wrong.

    But he and his followers DO bring it up because they WANT to make a “RELIGIOUS” distinction and impose a religious test on Romney. For these followers, this distinction is used FIRST, rather than discuss any of Romney’s politcal views.

    If you want a couple of examples, look at James and Nehra – albeit these are extreme examples. They use scare tactics without any references to any facts. They do it shamelessly and irresponsibly. These approaches are akin to what the Liberal left and NOW some of the far right of the Republican party do when they can’t form coherent and valid arguments against a candidate.

    Now comes the IMPORTANT question, did Romney’s religion negatively affect how he governed in Massachusetts? No.

    Will it negatively impact how he would govern as President? No.

    Would Romney impose his religious observances on others? No.

    • Molly Mormon

      There was nothing wrong with what Huck did, Romney is only trying to find something to complain about to get a political edge, like Romney running around calling everyone a BIGOT, it is only done to try to put people on the defensive and afraid to challenge him.

      Mitt is like unto the fellow who punches someone, and when the people strikes back, he runs around complains he got whacked. Romney is a spoiled pampered kid who never grew out of it.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

    Earlier in these posts, a Sarah P, posted this about Huckabee:

    ************

    Mike Huckabee (strikes against)

    1. Would IMPOSE Creationism as the SCIEITNTIFIC method of how the world came to be.
    2. Said Duncan Hunter should be secretary of State. (Scary!)
    3. Released rapist, Wayne Dumond, that raped Bill Clinton’s cousin.
    4. Huckabee lied about the release of the rapist.
    5. Ran on the platform of “helping the poor” in 2008 but has flip-flopped on supporting Universal Health care, the most IMPORTANT piece of legislation to help the poor, according to his social views.
    6. Is still a big supporter of comprehensive immigration. (Like George Bush).
    7. Huckabee promoted “open door” policy in 2005.
    8. His record shows he was a “big” government Governor and FAR from a fiscal conservative.
    9. During Governor Hucakbee’s term, Welfare spending increased 92% – overall spending increased at three times the rate of inflation.
    10. He earned a “D” grade from the CATO Institute.
    11. The San Diego Union Tribune reported in 2007 that Huckabee was guilty of fiscal malfeasance to the tune of $450,000!
    12. Huckabee supported “cap-in-trade” system.
    13. As Arkansas Governor, Huckabee granted more clemencies than all neighboring states combined.
    14. In 2007, said he wanted to negotiate with Iran and invade Pakistan (just like Obama).

    Has Huckabee changed his position on any of these issues? If so, he’s the biggest flip-flopper of all. If not, he’s a lousy Republican candidate!

    ********************

    Sarah makes a valid point. These issues need to be carefully examined and Huckabee needs to be properly vetted as a candidate. There has been no real debate about Huckabee’s viability as a leader in 2012 in light if these strikes against him. We can’t just set these issues aside just because he’s a TV personality or because he is/was a pastor.

    I would also argue that Huckabee is a polarizing figure. His extreme comments about Obama care, using Ted Kennedy’s death as the back drop alienates independents and Republican-leaning Democrats.

    He is prone to making snarky remarks that often are devoid of hard facts. His comments usually play well to emotions but usually fall flat when repeated later in substantive debates.

    We need a leader who can accurately identify reality and present it accurately.

  • DaveH

    Didn’t God say “Thou shalt not Steal”? Did he qualify that with “But its okay if you vote to take other peoples’ money”?
    Didn’t God say “Thou shalt not Kill”? Did he qualify that with “But its okay if they get in the way of a carpet bombing”?
    Why is it okay for a government to break the religious rules?
    Why is it okay for a government to break the law?
    Because we let them. It is amazing how the citizens will look the other way if they think they will benefit by it.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dave, your last sentence is why I am so mad at the Republicans, they are speaking out of both sides of their mouths. They want big government, when it is convenient for their own purposes. ie: Medicare, gun control, etc. I can no longer believe their talking points. The word hypocrite is becoming a synonym for Republican.
      Didn’t get why you were asking about government breaking religious rules, as we aren’t supposed to let church and state mix. Which set of religious rules? You lost me there.

      • DaveH

        LOL, I think it was a little too early in the morning for me.

  • DaveH
    • James Polk

      Romney must be the FAKE Mormon, he would be Catholic, Baptist, Christian, if he could get away with it.

    • Nehra

      The Real Romney? Which one.

      http://www.jessekb.com/2007/01/11/flash-romney-is-a-scumbag/

      H: Romney is a Scumbag
      If you haven’t had a chance to see the new YouTube clip of pro-choice, pro-gay Romney in his 1994 race against Ted Kennedy, go check it out right now. It’s an amazing video, all taken from one debate that clearly illustrates how much of an opportunist our former Governor is, totally lacking any core values.
      In the debate Old Romney speaks of a “dear family friend” who died from a botched illegal abortion pre Roe v. Wade, and how that experience solidified his support for safe, legal abortions

      • Tammy

        Nehra -

        I’ve never heard Mitt Romney deny he was once prochoice! He said that he changed his mind after studying stem cell research and the use of human embryos. I fault no one for changing his/her mind on such an important issue.

  • Rod

    Dave H I can never remember someone saying to me : It’s ok for the
    government to kill people. If someone threatens me, my family or
    anyone standing near me who has not provoked said attack, I will
    stop them from that attack! I have a C.C.P. and in my state there
    is a law called the Castle Doctrine. You can google it. If (God
    forbid) me, my family or an innocent helpless person around me
    is threatened and if that attack is deadly, I will stop that attack!
    Is there a time when deadly force is justified? Now take the case
    of a Country comming to the aid of another coumtry that has come
    under unprovoked attack by another country using deadly force to
    take from that country, that which is not theirs. Is it ok to stand by
    and let innocent helpless women be raped? Is it ok for this other
    country to inslave these helpless people? Is it ok for these innocent
    people to be lined up against a wall and shot? Should we turn our
    backs and say these things are none of our business? Then, I ask YOU
    is there a time when it becomes necessary to use deadly force?

    • DaveH

      Rod,
      Yes, for self-defense. I had a wife who slept with the next door neighbor. This led to his marriage breaking up and my marriage breaking up. They both lied in court to try and get me kicked out of my house. I was terribly depressed on top of my chronic illness, and they were trying to take my anchor away (my house). And it took every ounce of my intelligence to expose their lies and thwart them. Could I kill these evil human beings? Hell no.
      But our government can pick a side and go in to some foreign country and kill people (both innocent and not) with no trial. Sorry, that doesn’t wash with me. How many times have they lied to us about their motivation for war? One example was the Lusitania. It was carrying no contraband when the Germans’ sunk the passenger ship. At least that was what the American citizens were told. That was a big reason that the government could spur our entry into World War I. Information about the incident can be found on Wikipedia. Do we peons ever really know what is going on?

  • Rod

    I cannot believe how religion has gotten into the writtings of some
    of you people. We are talking about the kind of job a “good” man can
    do in the White House. The one that is in there right now is in the
    process of distroying our country! We have to take the White House back. We have to take Congress back. Neither Mitt Romney or Mike
    Huckaby will let religion sway a decision they have to make to bring
    our country back to Democracy. It’s going to be a really tuff job,
    one I, (even if I were capable) and I am NOT, would not want! Having
    said that, it has to be a man that is tuff enough to win against the
    Dems. One who values life (other than his own)! That is different from the one that is in there right now! Our enemy is NOT Mike Huckaby
    or Mitt Romney, It’s the far left Dems. that want your freedom and
    OH YES! Your life! So, focus on them and ways you can help our Nation!

  • Rich

    I am repeating what I wrote above, but again please quit with the bickering and talk about what the person believes. Obviously a child molester believes what they are doing is OK, and guess what in many states in the US right now, the age of consent is well below 18, so by law they are above the age of consent so it is no longer child molestation. Just because I stated that does not mean I agree with it, I personally believe that the age of consent, the legal drinking age and the age of adulthood should all be the same. Weather that is 18 or 21 is up for debate, so I am not going to go there. For Pete’s sake I was raised Catholic does that mean I don’t believe in contraceptives? No it does not, I firmly believe in safer sex practices, as the only safe sex is abstinence. Yes, look at the fundamentals of a religion but also look at the person and what they say and do! If you don’t like a person for something they did, then great but don’t condemn them because some preacher in their religion teaches that Polygamy is good, or that marrying a 16 year old is OK. Oh and by the way that same 16 year old can STILL get married in Kentucky today as they are above the age of consent. I am not saying don’t look at the tenants of the religion or basic concept but don’t judge one man by the teachings or actions of another, but by his own, period! Some Mormons may believe it is OK to do things with a 12 year old, but some Muslims believe it is OK to blow up a building full of people, does that make all Muslims believe that, NO! Just as not all Mormons believe all or the comments above. Those are to the heart of the points I was writing earlier, grow up people and quit with all the prejudice and hatred of any group, race, nationality, religion, creed and base your opinions on the person and leave your bigotry, hatred and baggage at the door. This entire thread is devolving into a witch hunt for Mormons in many places. In very few places does it resemble looking at the merits and defects of the character of a potential candidate and only at the merits and failings of what some perceive from a particular religion.

    • Rich

      Oh and if either of the two potential candidates was involved indirectly or directly in any of the scandals quoted from above please list or cite the evidence, as I so far have only read how the church itself and not members of the congregation were at fault. I ask that only because I would like to read it and base my opinions on the person and not something they had nothing personally to do with. Was it not the southern baptists that attacked minorities in the early part of the 20th century in the south of the US, was it not the Catholic church that supported the crusades in medieval times? All organized religions/churches are subject to infiltration by corruption, cruelty and evil as they are ran by men and no man is above reproach.

    • libertytrain

      Some valid points made – all without any hatred, cussing or swearing. Nice job.

  • Rich

    eyeswideopen says:
    September 9, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    I am, I will be voting out every Republican that I put in office. They didn’t ahere to the platform of fiscal responsibility… only hoping we can come up with new people with ethics and morals. I am looking at the Libertarians and Independents with an open mind. This year is the first year I won’t be donating to the RNC. They wasted my money. For over forty years, even when I was broke, I sent them money, not anymore, Michael Steele is a joke.

    I can’t agree more with someone than the above comment. I am of the opinion that both parties Democrats and Republicans are nothing but corrupt organizations trying to perpetuate a cycle of corruption and taking the power away from the people. Personally I would not support either of these candidates as based on their personal backgrounds neither is in line with my beliefs. I would however support Ron Paul for president as he is in line with how I believe not only what our forefathers gave to us but with how I think a politician should vote in congress or senate and that is NO on any bill they have not read and understand.

    • DaveH

      excellent Rich.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com TomH

    Rich:

    A vote for Paul may be an admirable thing but it won’t help America. America needs a strong leader that can work with Democrats and Republicans to effectuate change.

    Romney has this strong background in leadership. He did it effectively in Massachusetts. He led the state government from a 3 billion dollar short fall into a 700 million surplus in 4 years.

    Romney is the “turn-around” man. He is the ONLY candidate with such a resume.

    While true, Paul can effective vote NO, but does he have the experience to lead as Romney has? Paul hasn’t had that experience yet.

  • DaveH

    While you guys are debating which pro-Big-Government candidate to elect next, the national debt is at $12 trillion, and expected to grow to $20 trillion by 2020. That is $60,000.00 debt for every man, woman, and child in this country. They (our elected leaders) are using you. Figure it out soon; we don’t have much time left.

  • Rod

    OK! Now I ask each and everyone of you to attend “TEA PARTY” being
    held in many states tomorrow. I will be attending the one in my state
    to try to make things better for all of us! It’s up to you to find out
    where the “TEA PARTY” will be held in each of your states. This is
    an opportunity to something besides TALK.

    The time has come to ACT!!!!

  • Rod

    OK! Now listen up! There is a “TEA PARTY” being held TOMORROW in many
    of your states. This an opportunity for all you people out there that
    say you care to participate in an event that may help with what we all have been talking about. It’s up to you to find out where and when the event will occure in your state.

    What I will be interested in, is how many of you are willing to do
    something besides talk! I will be attending the one in my state.
    Why, you say? because talk is cheap. It’s time to ACT, make a
    difference! Come on all of you. Join in!

  • Rich

    TomH,

    Though I see your points as valid I will not sway from the standpoint of not voting for someone who is proven to be pro big government as both candidates listed have shown to be in past voting trends. You should also look at what Ron Paul has achieved since being in Washington, he is more than happy to cross the aisle as his opinions are based on Libertarian views, which contain both conservative and liberal values. I personally believe that homosexuals/Gays/Lesbians should be allowed to marry, why well the funny/smaralec answer is so they can be as miserable as the rest of us, the real answer is I could care less what they do behind closed doors in the privacy of their own homes. They are adults and should have the same rights and liberties that I enjoy being married to my beautiful wife. I am not advocating that this should happen as most people in this country adhere to much more conservative views on this particular issue than I do. I am saying this to make a point and that point is that since neither of the 2 candidates in question have shown full support of individual liberties and rights, as guaranteed under the Bill of Rights in our beloved Constitution, I will not throw my support behind them.

    Rod,

    I work third shift including Friday nights, and if I am awake fully intend on going to the tea party in my home town. I have written my state senators and congressman, and got nothing but form letters back, who the hell do these people in DC work for anyways, because by the responses I have gotten so far it is not for their constituency any longer!

  • Beyond Party

    Romney is the GOP’s best chance in 2012. Please don’t mention his religion. Only back water hicks would hold that against him. The nation as a whole convincingly elected a black president, they would certainly vote for Mitt Romney, just as they did to elect him Governor.

    When the economy is a tailspin and the machine of government isn’t working the GOP will turn to Mitt Romney, an articulate candidate who has more proven success in the economy than Obama or any GOP candidate in the field.

    Remember, it’s the economy, stupid.

    • billy

      Mitt Romney is an elitist!

      • V.

        But a damn smart one!

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  • David Wright

    Why don’t we let individuals decide what kind of speech Mitt gave at CPAC. Watch it here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_8JTL7K3h4

    Or read it here:

    http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/2008/speech_romney08.asp

  • http://www.evangelicalsformott.com TomH

    James,

    The article you cite came from the Boston Globe, a Romney hating rag. It was republished in the Deseret News.

    As you can see, Utahans are not afraid to examine the claims of anti-Romney camp.

    Incidentally, what salient point did the article make exactly? The article is just a rhetorical piece speculating on why this or that happened – no concrete evidence.

  • David Wright

    The wave of support for Mitt Romney continues to grow. We need him as our President.

    http://www.freestrongamerica.com/

  • http://aimhealthplans.com/jameshutson Jim Hutson

    I think Huckabee would make a fantastic president. He seems to be well grounded and if anyone can straighten this country out, he can.

    What we have now is so very scary. It really infuriates me that he could be our “Commander in Chief” to our men and women who are risking everything for our country and he is so willing to give it away. He is fighting against America not for it. Most democrats think he is a democrat when he is totally something different, more sinister and dangerous. I’m not sure whose puppet he is, but he is somebody’s puppet. I can’t figure out what his agenda is, but why would he surround himself with all the czars who have no accountability. Most, if not all of his czars are anti-capitalism like him.

    What amazes me is how many of his supporters are still in la-la land and think he is going to save our country. More people are leaving la-la land every day.

    Congress has shown that they feel they are the boss of their constituents, not the other way around. They have gotten fat and sassy and complacent in their positions. They need to be fired and start with all new fresh congressmen and women.

    I hope he has not dug us into a hole we cannot get out of. Check out this site:

    http://www.kickthemallout.com

    or this site:

    http://www.wagthedog2010.com

  • Robin from Indiana

    Carl Schultz says: Nobody will beat President Obama.

    That kind of has the same ring to it as those who thought the Titantic couldn’t be sunk by God Himself.

    Don’t be so sure Carl. God allowed Obama to take this position for a reason, and in my opinion that reason was to wake up America to bad politics and get back on the road to common sense, good morals, unblemished ethics, and most importantly God! We needed our eyes opened and wow, it is happening!

  • Michelle Ortega

    Only COMMUNST LIKE YOU WILL VOTE FOR HIM and sorry to tell you that is not ever going to happen again!!!!!!!!!! EVER…………

  • momoran

    You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. – Abraham Lincoln (attributed)

  • eyeswideopen

    Lindy, I have been struggling to find the exact words and tenor with which you just spoke. When I state why she should not be running for President, I think I get too emotional, as just the fact that she doesn’t know that the Vice President doesn’t make laws,scares me and I get crazy. We do have qualified Republican women with experience who have not quit in their first term. My husband keeps telling me “it’s the men in the party being influenced by her looks and flirty nature that’s got them all excited”. Just that concept makes me realize that “we” haven’t really come that far in the past years. I preach to my kids, that you should not depend on your looks, that it will be their character, intelligence and experience that will “progress” (Sarah other favorite term) them in life. They laugh now and say “look at Sarah, she’s inexperienced and a quitter too!”. To which I reply “no comment”. So thank you for your well thought out and non-emotional comment.

  • chuck byard

    please tell me where all the experience obama has, he can’t talk unless the teleprompter looks him in the eye and i can find you a dozen con men that talk with passion. so sarah palin didn’t name each newspaper she has read “so what!” and sarah palin didn’t lose the election. you liberals just don’t get it, john mccain and the economy lost the election, mccain had no passion for winning and he probably voted for our great glorious leader.

  • DaveH

    I would like to see that word ‘bipartisanship’ thrown out of the english language. I don’t vote for someone that wants to compromise. The politicians have been compromising my entire lifetime and what has it gotten us? ‘Big Government’! The Democrats idea of compromise is “Let’s spend 2 trillion dollars. No? Oh, all right, we’ll compromise and just spend 1 trillion dollars”. The people I vote for stick to their positions. They may get outvoted, but they stick to their positions.

  • eyeswideopen

    Dave, my girlfriend called me to say that on MSNBC this morning, the CEO from 538 was on stating that the Libertarian party has best chance of Presidential success in 2012, if they can find the right nominee. This is second hand info, but she was pretty excited. I don’t know the morning shows and didn’t think to ask her. You’ll have to do the research. Sorry.

  • eyeswideopen

    Apparently the Ceo, is recongized as a true non-biased Ceo of research company… Now I will have to research him. lol

  • DaveH

    That worries me coming from MSNBC. There has been pressure since the Libertarian Party’s inception in 1971 to infiltrate and Liberalize them. I can’t imagine that MSNBC (being the Big Government sycophants that they are) would fairly support Libertarians.

  • DaveH

    Hopefully Agatha will ignore that personal attack and keep saying her piece. I’m going to guess that you are a Liberal, since it is common Liberal methodology to silence their opposition via personal attacks.

  • DaveH

    Rod,
    Both the Republicans and the Democrats have been growing government ever larger since Ronald Reagon’s great but failed effort to cut the size of government. Once the size of government reaches critical mass, there will be no turning back. Who knows who will be in office when the tyranny strikes? Frankly, Democrats scare me more than Republicans, but I don’t want either party dictating my personal choices.

  • DaveH

    I don’t care if he is a saint, I don’t want him controlling my health-care choices or any other personal choices.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformott.com TomH

    James,

    Telling lies about Romney is not going to work. You’re going to have to deal with reality. Making stuff up in your head to make your position seem more palatable is only going to result in your embarrassment.

    Romney is a successful business man, and public servant. He’s also a successful father and husband.

  • Kris in CO

    Amen to Ron Paul.

  • Smilee

    Without RINO;s and independents you lose, you people that want to kick so many out of the republican party will insure it keeps losing but that’s ok we are better off if they do.

  • DaveH

    efred,
    I think we have the technology right now to make voting free from tampering without sacrificing our secret ballots.
    We could have two databases. One database would store the ‘voter information’ (Identification, address, polling place, etc.). And the other database would store the ‘votes cast’ with a unique alphanumeric ID which was given to the voter at the polling place. Only the voter would know his alphanumeric ID so secrecy would be preserved. The database would be accessible by the public. Anyone or any organization could check the ‘voter information’ database to see if any illegal voters cast votes. The votes in the ‘votes cast’ database could be easily tallied by anyone to see if votes were counted correctly and that the number of votes matched the number of voters in the ‘voter information’ database. Also, an individual voter would be able to check his alphanumeric ID to see that his votes are in the database correctly, and if not he/she could notify the proper authorities.

  • eyeswideopen

    Chuck, First of all, I’m a Republican, secondally do you really think that the word Liberal offends the true liberals?? Me, I could give two squats what you call me, I’m looking for ideas on how to save this party. It is so nice how we treat people in our party, no wonder they are leaving in droves. I can just imagine a young person reading these blogs and is so excited to being able to join a party whose members are so hateful and angry that they lost power that they can’t even be civil to people who have a different viewpoint. Oh yes, let’s join that party, if we have any ideas we can just eat them for lunch. just try to vet her with the rest of the Republican party and see if they like the fact that her husband belonged to a radical party who aligned itself with the Iranian government.She couldn’t or wouldn’t make a committment to one college, 5 different ones in 5 years says something, she quit on her constitutents, her party, (both locally and nationally) the womens groups who promoted her, and taught her children that you don’t have to finish something if it is too tough!! She really did something quite well, she winked!! She is the reason McCain didn’t win and now you get to live with the results.

  • eyeswideopen

    The Libertarian party could never have been hoodwinked like ours was. This party is on it’s knee’s and instead of trying to find ideas like some of the libertarian ones, no we are still (I’m guilty of it too)fighting the last election!! WE lost, we need to make some major changes. We need to include people not exclude, we need a new platform, if we truly believe in less government we need to study the Libertarian platform. We need the brightest and best to join our party.

  • chuck byard

    my concern is not whether you are liberal, when i use that term it is meant as a point not hateful. when you start jumping on palin and using the liberal’s rhetoric, guess what you are a liberal. when you start talking about bipartisanship (a word the demo;s love and only applies when they are the minority) (a liberal byword.) just go back and look what bush did the eight years he was in power. he cow towed to the demo’s in every way possible and got nothing but ridicule and the press hated him. (so much for bipartisanship). we don’t need another bush we need a strong person who is not willing to compromise our way of life just to appease some marxist, a person that stands behind their courage to be an honest leader not some wimp that wants the world to love him or wants to turn this nation into another cuba or venezuela.

  • Rod

    Ted Malone, The, we, I was refering to is other Americans (otherthan the “far” lefties). People we talk to like the small business owners of our community. People like the ones that own local car
    dealerships that tried OBama’s cash for clunkers and now are in trouble because they can’t get their money. I could go on but this
    is enough to get you started. You also need to read Obama’s and Palosi’s health care plan. When you do, you will find where it very
    neatly takes away OUR freedom.
     

  • Rod

    Dave H. If we don’t neutralize Obama and Palosi and the other far lefties that are in power ( and I am talking about DEMS. that are in power in Washington), our rights are going to vanish. We will be
    dancing to the tune of tyranny. That, is where we are headed with
    this Administration. We therfore have to change that and one way
    is to put a guy in there that will call the HARD shots. Mitt Romney
    is that guy! He is not afraid of Obama and Palosi and the rest.Huckaby
    is too good of a guy and will try not to anger anyone. Like I said,
    if Huckaby is the candidate, we will vote for him! We are however,
    putting our money on the guy that has the guts to get down right mean!
    that guy is Mitt Romney!!!

  • Michelle Ortega

    AMEN ROBIN!!!!!!!!!

  • billy

    “fool me once, shame on me, fool me again.. eh, um, uh, um ,eh ,i um, eh, i mean uh, uh- hhuw huw the point is; ya cant fool me again!” GEROGE W. BUSH

  • eyeswideopen

    Nehra,
    If serving your country is the prerequsite to having this country be yours, then Bush and CHeney who are in our own party can’t claim this as their country.That arguement doesn’t fly.

  • eyeswideopen

    Rod,
    Don’t get rid of them before they repeal the Patriot Act, of course you could work on getting it repealed.

  • eyeswideopen

    I have never in any of my blogs ever used the word Bi-partisian.

  • eyeswideopen

    Chuck,
    So now you are saying that the Repub’s during Bush’s admin, who had power in both the Senate and House, caved into the Dem’s and didn’t get done what they wanted?? Oh, Chuck, you have me laughing right out loud. Is that why you think the Dem’s should cave in to us and not do what they think is right?? Oh, heaven help us…Chuck, go check the laws that the Repub’s passed, one you should remember is the Patriot Act and the Medicard Advantage Act. You might remember the “Contract with America” that the Repubs didn’t honor, but most people don’t remember that one.

  • Michelle Ortega

    I think the informed left gave us Obama a communist just like them with a lot of money,they knew just what they were doing by putting that poor excuse for a human being in the White house to take it down from within, look at the people he surrounds himself with – the so called Rev Wright, Van Jones (an avowed Communist) and a racist and the Whether Underground folks (TERRORIST) to mention a few……..DISGUSTING UNAMERICAN SUB HUMANS TO BE POLITE………..

  • Michelle Ortega

    Eyes I agree with you but Obama and Pelosi are COMMUNIST AND HAVE NO PLACE IN THE USA – NO COMMUNIST DOES

  • Rod

    eyeswideopen What do you think Obama and Palosi are doing? They want
    us off the face of the earth!

  • Lindy

    Wow, I didn’t realize the word “Bipartisan” would create such a fuss. However, its words and incorrect definitions that everyone seems to get hung-up on. (Someone says the Bush/Obama bail-outs and medicare are socialist and suddenly everybody starts calling Obama a communist or a marxist. Socialism and communism are not interchangeable words.)

    When I say I want bipartisanship… here’s what I mean. When a party has an idea, try to work together to make it better instead of instantly ripping it apart for the smallest reason simply because it wasn’t YOUR party’s idea. There are intelligent ways to debate the medicare reform, but screeching “Death Panels are wrong” at townhall meetings is not intelligent debate. I guess that’s what I want, intelligent debate. Taking a concept and making it better for the people that the Executive and Legislative Branches are SUPPOSED to serve. There are occassions where it should be possible to get things done and make improvements in a way that satisfies the mandates of both parties. But to deny an idea has any credibility simply because the other guy thought of it first, is too adversarial to evoke any meaningful change. Political debate has become childish and small minded.

    Oh and sorry Chuck… I’m not a liberal. And I’m sorry you didn’t understand what I wrote, try reading it again with an open mind, now that you know I’m not a liberal and what MY definition of bipartisan is.

  • James Polk

    Sure, it is amazing what paying people one hundred dollar bills will do.

    Romney scamming elections see the You Tubes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pljdFb5OjyE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pljdFb5OjyE

  • billy

    “Amazing Speech by Iraq War Veteran

    “poor and working people in this country are sent to kill poor and working people in another country to make the rich richer; and without racism soldiers would realize that they have more in common with the Iraqi people than they do with the billionaires who send us to war”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9V2tbnxk0

  • L, USA

    Mike is the Right one. Romney could have stopped “gay-marriage” in Massachutes when he was governor, instead, He did nothing. He is a R.I.N.O.

  • chuck byard

    I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE OF A LIBERAL MIND.OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM OVER THE PAST FORTY YEARS HAS BENT THE MIND OF A LOT OF PEOPLE AND STEERED THEM TOWARD A MORE SOCIALISTIC THINKING. THE MAJORITY OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEANS TOWARD SOCIALISM AND MARXISM (CLINTONS) OBAMA LEANS TOWARD BLACK NATIONALISM AND YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WE COMPROMISE WITH THIS TYPE OF THINKING?? YOU WILL LOSE!! THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND I HAVE PARTED WAYS, THANKS TO GEORGE BUSH, I RESPECTED BUSH UNTIL THE LAST TERM. HE DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, “TRIED TO COMPROMISE” AND YOU SAW WHAT HE GOT. IN MY VIEW THIS COUNTRY IS ABOUT TO COMPROMISE TO SOCIALISM AND IF WE WANT TO SAVE OUR LAND SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD WE WILL HAVE TO STAND AND FIGHT NOT COMPROMISE.

  • http://www.evangelicalsformott.com TomH

    James:

    Can you hear the emotion in your rhetoric? Your rejection of Romney is irrational. You work yourself up in a frenzy based on groundless accusations and expect RATIONAL people to believe you?

    C’mon. It’s time to put up some REAL evidence, not the nonsense you’ve been spweing for the last few days.

  • James Polk

    Phew! The only misdirection is Romney is a winner, Romney is a flip flopper who cannot stand the truth.

    Everything are facts which I posted, not a Romney re-write.

  • James Polk

    Romney was noted as an absent Governor, always away.

    So where is the comment about Romney not working or being employed since he left being Gov. of Mass?

  • James Polk

    I agree it is too soon, but some people are on endless campaigns flipping and flopping being a liberal, a conservation a libertarian, they just cannot make up their minds what the heck they are.

  • James Polk

    I read the Book of Mormon, got an “A” in BoM 1@2, also filled in teaching for the teacher when they were out of class.

    My facts are straight.

    There is an issue though of people who say the marched with King, were hunters, and endorsed by the NRA when they were not. The quest for power can damage and distort some, and one who cannot face truth needs to consider the best answer:

    “Denial is a mechanism of defense – usually the last stop before psychosis. So it does not belong with just one mental illness, Alcoholics, Gambling Addicts, Child Abusers, Psychotic people. All will say no it never happened because their Ego could not accept that about then. At that stage their grip on sanity is only marginal.
    The one who lies a lot as well is often Narcissistic and don’t cope with any assault on the ego, they are often the Pathological liars. “

  • Rod

    eyeswideopen Iam a member of the NRC and support them. Are you a
    member of the NRC and how much do you want to effect change in the
    Congress, Senate and White house? LETS GO!

  • DaveH

    Eyes,
    Big Government was built on the back of compromise. Whether we get there gradually (Republicans) or rapidly (Democrats) we are headed to complete collapse of our country and the ensuing tyranny that it will bring. The only chance we have is for people to start standing tough and quit electing anybody who doesn’t promise (and deliver) less government.

  • DaveH

    efred,
    Too much government brings chaos. We are experiencing that growing chaos daily. Read this free online book before you spew any more of your misinformation.

    http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

    Are you a leader that profits in both money and power from the current statist system or are you just a misled follower?

  • DaveH

    Eyes, Me too. But first we need to have all of them take a lie detector test. As I said before, we expect such perfection in our politicians that they can only meet our expectations by being liars.
    And liars concern me most. I can forgive a lot of human error, but I do not like being anywhere around liars. I would much rather keep company with a human that has made mistakes than to keep company with somebody who I don’t really know due to their dishonesty.

  • eyeswideopen

    Michelle, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but we have in this country legally, the American Nazi Party. We are a free country and cannot and should not prevent the flow of ideas even when we don’t like them… If you start down your path, when do you think the party in power(which ever one it may be) will start ejecting Baptist, or Catholics, or Methodist? Or hey, maybe the Republicans will be kicked out! You cannot have your philosophy and still have a free America.

  • Michelle Ortega

    I do agree with you and your point is well taken, However I guess I am a very conservative far right winger, I am not Republican never was, I am an Independant , my thinking is if you hate this country sooo much that you want to change it from a free country to a all emcompassing totalatarian (communist country) you should go find a place to live that has that ideology and leave America to be and have the freedoms we fought so hard for the past few hyndred years, I belive that if you hate this country so much get out…….. I also believe to each his own…. dont try to shove your ideologies down my throat, that is where I am coming from. These horrible people are in power and they are trying to shove this communist bullcrap down all of our throats and that is NOT OKAY

  • momoran

    You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. – Abraham Lincoln

  • eyeswideopen

    Hey, Ortega, site requests that you don’t name call. You do realize that was name calling don’t you.

  • billy

    “Amazing Speech by Iraq War Veteran”

    “poor and working people in this country are sent to kill poor and working people in another country to make the rich richer; and without racism soldiers would realize that they have more in common with the Iraqi people than they do with the billionaires who send us to war”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9V2tbnxk0

  • billy

    “fool me once, shame on me, fool me again.. eh, um, uh, um ,eh ,i um, eh, i mean uh, uh- hhuw huw the point is; ya cant fool me again!” GEORGE W. BUSH

  • daninlc

    Have to agree somewhat, however, the problem to a large extent is the fact that we have a very uneducated voter issue. Unfortunately, many voters are feel-good types who fall under the charm of some rather incompetent, but charismatic want-a-be (BHO for example). Others have little or no idea about the government and the harm it conveys everytime they meet in DC. There are others who have a certain philosophy they are blind to reality (extremists on all sides). Until we can get term limits for all elected officials and bring down their mini-fifedoms and greedy self-serving arrogant existence, things will never get any better.

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