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Poll Finds Palin Popularity Growing

December 25, 2009 by  

Poll finds Palin popularity growing According to a recent survey, Sarah Palin has managed to reverse the decline in popularity that followed her resignation last summer as Alaska’s governor.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, which was release on Monday, revealed that 46 percent of Americans hold a favorable view of her and the same percentage say they have an unfavorable opinion about the former vice-presidnetial candidate. After she resigned in July, her popularity dipped to 39 percent, according to CNN.

However, the poll also revealed a significant partisan and gender divide, finding that some 80 percent of Republicans hold a favorable view of Palin, while 70 percent of Democrats disapprove of her. Moreover, the mother of five has consistently polled higher with men than with women, even if the female respondents identify themselves as Republicans.

Part of Palin’s surge in the polls may be attributed to her the high-profile media tour she launched in the last few weeks for her new memoir Going Rogue: An American Life, with appearances including an interview with talk show host Oprah Winfrey.

However, she has remained coy about her plans to run for the White House in 2012, preferring to neither confirm nor deny such rumors.
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  • MarkInOhio

    So 80% of republicans approve of Palin. So what? 42% of republicans believe that Obama is not an American. (He is.) 52% of republicans believe that ACORN stole the 2008 election for Obama. (They didn’t.) 50% of republicans believe that the new health care reform bill includes “death panels”. (It does not.)

    Today’s conservatives live in a wacky up-is-down fantasy world of their own devising. A dispatch from that world reports that its denizens think Palin is a brilliant politician. So what?

    • Connie in Texas

      Have you seen Obama’s REAL birth certificate? And have you read the entire healthcare reform bill? I don’t think even the proud Senators who voted “YES” have read the bill.

      Today’s conservatives believe in investigative journalism and do not depend on the elite media to inform them.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Connie: There is very little investigative journalism going on today. 99% of the so called news outlets are not news but propaganda machines for the ones willing to pay the most to spread their point of views.
        The really sad thing is the majority believe it.

        • Peter

          Dee D, there is one very simple fact most folks overlook about journalism these days. I spent 12 years working as a technician in commercial TV, so I’ve seen it first hand and behind the scenes. I can tell you a couple of things for certain:
          1: No media employer will ever hire a journalist who doesn’t agree with their corporate point of view or field of political interest.
          2: There is ALWAYS a way to selectively edit any statement to make it appear the way you want it to, especially if it highlights a sensational aspect of an otherwise uninteresting story. This is, after all, the age of the ’10 second grab’.
          3:Nobody can say for certain that Fox News is unbiased. Of course it is! They’re owned by committed Republicans. But before you jump down my throat for that, the same is true of all liberal owned or sympathetic media. Look at Robert Greenwald’s liberal news blog, which is very similar to this one, but from the opposing camp.
          Horses for courses people. Everyone wants to push their own brand of ‘truth’.
          4: Political parties and candidates have ‘spin doctors’ who will ALWAYS shadow their charges with voice recorders or video cameras during any interview, to try to pressure all journalists into reporting what the candidate or party wants them to. By recording it themselves, they can prove in a lawsuit what was really said. So by the balancing act that is political interest and sensationalist media reporting, there is very little chance of balanced journalism ever being presented, unless you the public do a massive amount of personal research into every single subject, which both the media and political parties know 99.9% of folks won’t bother doing. That’s why most of America and the western world are simply cannon fodder for media, corporate and political interests.
          I am neither conservative, liberal, environmentalist or commy. I do think there is merit in SOME ASPECTS of most political viewpoints (except communism, it runs counter to basic human nature).
          For me, everything boils down to two simple statements:
          1: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength!
          2: Love your neighbor as yourself.
          Here endeth the lesson!

          • http://aol Devil Dog

            Peter;–You left out a couple items—–Common sense, which the left is in dire need of,—–And Fox news may be owned by Republicans, however,to say they are not FAIR AND BALANCED is simply dillusional. Can you say that about the 80% of the media that is on the radical left? I doubt it. O’reilly is an independent, Beck is a libertarian, Shep Smith is a democrat, Geraldo is a democrat,Greta is a democrat.

      • http://n/a Winnie

        Connie, have you seen palin’s birth certificate? Alaska didn’t become a state until the late fifties. I was about 12 years old when Alaska became the 49th state. Even if palin is a legal citizen of the United States, for sure her parents, grandparents, great grandparents were born in Europe. That puts her in the same situation that Obama is in and same is true of all of the presidents of the USA. All are immigrants and all now call United States of America home. Obama is the most welcome to the original peoples of North America than palin will ever hope to be. Get over the where abouts you all were born in and just call yourselves citizens of the United States of America.

        • DaveH

          It is a matter of law Winnie. The Constitution stipulates the requirements to be President. That is the problem. Do you want to be part of a lawless nation? Personally I think there are way too many laws, but we make a big mistake when we pick and choose which to obey. And we can’t let Government (which is just people too) ignore the laws.

          • http://n/a Winnie

            DaveH, You’re correct. Although, I will mention that I do believe that President Obama is one of the truest American in our time in that he is trying to help the middleclass and the poor people who have been ignored by so many of our rich leaders. Many of our RICH citizens got to where they are at any and all costs. That’s what closes my mind; that, and the fact that many of our rich do not go by the law that we follow and face the true concequences when we don’t. Many of the people commending on this article should be tried for treason when they go and spread such lies about the President of the United States. And please don’t tell me that they truly believe what they say about the birthright of President Obama. Hidden racism.

          • JC

            Winnie, Obama’s every action shows all too clearly that he is an enemy of America and America’s middle class. Everything he is doing will lead to the downfall of the entire economy and those who create it…the middle class. Not to say the system shouldn’t be overhauled, it should. But not by a communist.

          • denniso

            Winnie, good comment and I agree. Also is a joke, and doesn’t know what a communist is…such ignorance,hard to believe.

          • JC

            Thanks denniso, for that very informative and well thought out bit of liberal name calling. Its all you’ve got isn’t it? Let’s see…JC doesn’t know what a communist is…hmmm. Well, socialized medicine seems like a generally communal idea. Trying to remove guns from people is something Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot would be proud of. Installing Czars that have no oversight from any branch other than the President himself…well that’s downright dictator like isn’t it? And I could go on…
            So if you’re offended by me calling him a communist I’ll just have to go back to calling him a moron. That way you won’t be offended. ;-)

          • denniso

            J C..let’s try this again. Do you have a problem w/ our ‘communal’ military,paid for by all of our tax $$??? Do you have a problem w/ our ‘communal’ state and national road system?? Is that ‘communism?? Is it socialism?? You better quit driving on roads that my tax $$ pay for.

          • Chuck

            Public education. Gotta love it.

            Communist actions would be related to taking my money (taxes) and using them to directly benefit you. i.e. food stamps, welfare, medicare, etc.

            The government using tax money to build roads, or to protect the country – I believe the examples you used… Those things are very specifically defined as the DUTIES of the government according to the constitution.

            That same constitution in no way allows for the government to REQUIRE everyone to purchase health insurance – or go prison. This is what your hero Obama, and his cronies are doing. They want to make it a literal crime to not have health insurance. If this stands – what will be next? You may be perfectly happy giving away your liberties, but I will be damned if I will stand here and be happy about it.

          • denniso

            I see…the constitution talks about the gov’t using taxes to build roads?? Don’t think so. Do you mind our communistic(communal) military,supported by forced taxation??

        • coal miner

          Winnie,

          I was raise up in a ignorant,bigot red neck family and I have seen it before.These people are scary.It is not about his birth certificate,its the color of his skin and race they are concern about.I think they get this B***t from these rag sheet magazines and try to pass it off as legit. Their problem is they can’t get over the fact a black man got elected.

          • Joe H.

            Coal monor,
            You are the ignorant one!!! YOU are the one that keeps bringing up race, not us! YOU are the one that keeps bringing up the same tired story about your mother!!! She made sure you were fed didn’t she? You had clothes of the price she could afford didn’t you? Sounds like she did everything she could for you and you are biting the hand that fed you!!!! YOU deserve O-man!!! I don’t care if he’s black, white, pink, purple, or skyblueorange!!!! HE is the racist!!!

        • Claire

          Winnie—you didn’t get an answer on this one, did you!! Also, what about McCain? Wasn’t he born in the Phillipines? What is the story on this?

    • James

      MarkinO., President Obama may be an American, but he isn’t a U.S. citizen. He was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Africa on August 4, 1961, at 7:24 PM. I have a copy of his birth certificate, there, with his right-foot print on it. He weighed 7 lbs., 1 oz. at birth. He was born at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa. Lucas Daniel Smith obtained a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate on February 19, 2009, when he visited that hospital. Mr. Smith has filed suit in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, so declaring, Civil Action: SACV09-00082-DOC (Aux).
      Sarah Palin will be our next president in 2012.

      • http://Yahoo.com bargal

        Very interesting James. Why not now turn this piece of evidence you have of=ver to the proper authorities and get this mystery cleared up one way or the other. Remember to keep a certified copy safely tucked away though as you know we can’t trust our (his) government at this time

        • Ken Kirkham

          Because the “proper authorities” have know all along he is not a citizen. They and the President have been fighting to prevent the disclosure of his lack of citizenship.

          I might ask you what part of Obama’s change of America is benefiting you that you would defend someone who is clearly violating the Constitution with nearly everything he does?

          Perhaps you are one who thinks that the United States should become a socialist country. In any case wouldn’t you also want to have the birth certificate presented publicly to prove all the birthers wrong?
          That should be the moment you want to be able to tell all of us that we are wrong but I bet you also believe that Obama is not a citizen and that is why you fight the search for the truth.

          • denniso

            Ken, i wonder, do you also have a piece of the spaceship that crashed in N.M. 60 yrs ago? It’s worth millions of $$ and as you know,the evil gov’t has hidden the ‘facts’ from us,the enslaved workers who are trying to keep the constitution alive. It’s tough work,but if we keep our guns loaded and stick together we can win the battle for the good of the universe.

          • DaveH

            The usual nonsense reply from Denniso.

        • James

          Bargal, Mr. smith informed the proper authorities when he filed his civil suit in a federal court, challenging Obama’s right to be president. If that court fails to accept that evidence, which I fully expect them to do, then nothing will come of it.

      • Janna N

        James, I ASK YOU PLEASE GET THE INFORMTION YOU HAVE IN A NEWS PAPER —ON THE INTERNET—-ON A STATION LIKE FOX NEWS AND OR GLEN BECK AS HE HAS THE GUTS TO OPEN WIDE THE CASE OF THE COMMUNIST B.HUSSAIN OBOMA THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE BY WE ARE NOT SURE — TO BRING DOWN THIS COUNTRY. I TO BELIEVE HE WAS NOT BORN IN HAWWAII OR ANY PLACE ELSE BUT AFRICA. BUST THE CASE OF HIS BIRTH WIDE OPEN. THERE ARE MANY OF US OUT HERE THAT IN OUR SPIRIT WE DO NOT BELIEVE HE IS A LEGAL CITIZEN.WHAT A SCAM ARTIST HE IS. HE CLAIMS TO BE A CHRISTIAN—–NO NO NO HE IS NOT —-HAS HE EVER FOUND A CHURCH TO GO TO TO PRAISE AND WORSHIP THE LORD. NO NO NO HE DID NOT AND HAS NOT. WILL HE SPEAK OF THE BIRTH OF “JESUS” AT CHRISTMAS NO NO NO HE IS IN HAWWAII ON VACATION—I AM SURE MAKING SURE THAT THE PHONY RECORDS OF HIS BITTH ARE STILL THERE IN THE RECORDS.HE I AM SURE WILL SEND THE SECRET SERVICE TO OBTAIN ANY INFORMATION HE WANTS. NOW WHO COULD REFUSE THE CIA OR THE FBI OR THE SECRET SERVICE PEOPLE. PERHAPS EVEN MAKING SURE THAT NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING. THEY HAVE THERE WAYS. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET YOUR INFORMATION OUT.IT WAS HIS WIFE THAT TOLD HIM TO CHANGE FROM MUSLIM TO A CHRISTIAN. IN HIS HEART HE IS A MUSLIN—WEARING CHRISTIAN FAITH ON HIS SLEEVE. HE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO ANYTHING HAD ALL THE TRUTH ABOUT HIM COME OUT FOR ALL TO SEE.WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE.WE HAVE A LIAR AND A DECEIVER IN THE WHITE HOUSE. HE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AS A LIAR AND A DECEIVER. LETS GET GOING ON THIS. GO GO GO

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          I agree with Jana 100% James. If you have this information please go public with it. Hey, there are people out there who would pay dear for this proof. Do America a favor, make a little profit and show every citizen you know of what you speak.

      • Andy

        James if you have all of obozos birth records why don’t you give it to fox and friends.They will let all of America know that he is not an American,obozo is a communist.I would to see a real AMERICAN in the White House.Rwmember James if you are a true American you will hand over the truth and let the American people know who obozo really is.Remember James ALL GAVE SOME,SOME GAVE ALL

        • denniso

          So, some guy walks in to the hospital and they give him Obama’s records?? I don’t think so……you clowns are discrediting any argument you may have w/ this comedy.

          • coal miner

            denniso,

            Where do they get this horse manure from?Obama’s birth records!I wish they stop ranting and raving,enough is enough, first thing you know they will being saying his mother was born in Russia.I can’t stop laughing.This would be a good comedy script for Saturday Night lLive.

          • Joe H.

            denniso,
            I’m not saying he has the birth certificate but you are putting American standards on foreign governments and that is a pile of stinking crapola!!! In most African countries, You can bribe almost ANY official to get just about ANY piece of legal paper!!! YOU are the one that needs to not be a total (word removed)!!!

        • JC

          At the very least, he is UNAmerican. I think there’s a provision to go after things that are a Clear and present Danger to America. This a**hole qualifies.

        • James

          Andy, you obviously didn’t read my whole comment. Mr. Lucas Daniel Smith filed suit in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. He provided the court with a certified copy of Obama’s African birth certificate. In his affidavit he stated, inter alia: “I have personal knowledge of all the facts and circumstances described herein below…; On February 19, 2009 I visited the Coast General hospital in Mombasa, Kenya; I visited the hospital accompanied by one more person, a natural born citizen of the Democratic Republic of Congo…; I traveled to Kenya and Mombasa in paarticular with the intent to obtain the original birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama, as I was told previously that it was onj file inj the hospital and under seal, due to the fact that the prime minister of Kenya Raela Odinga is Barack Hussein Obama’s cousin; I had to pay a cash ‘consideration’ to a Kenyan military officer on duty to look the other way, while I obtained the copy of the birth certificate…The copy was signed by the hospital administrator; the copy contained the embossed seal; The true and correct photocopy of the Birth certificate obtained, is attached to this affidavit as Exhibit A; etc.
          Thus you see this evidence is now in court. If that isn’t going public with info, what is?

      • Jim in Panama

        Good job, James. You should have blasted Mark in Ohio on all his other false points. I look forward to hearing more about the birth cert.

      • http://n/a Winnie

        So DAMN what??????????? Go find yourself another country to live in where there are no other race but your own kind. You do not belong in North America. Go back to where your ancestors were born in and fight for your own country. Some people are so full of s h i t!!! Un-effin-believable. Stupid immigrant Europeasns now living in the Americas and condemning other races.

        • DaveH

          Uh, Winnie, I don’t think this is a race issue (until you made it one).

          • http://n/a Winnie

            DaveH, when it comes to President Obama, many of the people’s comments here are already race-based whether or not it is out in the open or not. Most are hidden behind many other reasons, though mostly religion. I don’t know what race you are; but, unless you are black, yellow, or red, you have not experienced hidden racism. You do seem quite open-minded as I’ve read many of the comments you have written in this and other articles. Thank you for that and I know that there are many more like you out there but many won’t commend about folks like us who argue our points without once stopping to really listen to what the other person is really saying. Again, thank you and keep on truckin.

          • denniso

            Winnie…I agree that most of the hate directed at Obama is closet or overt racism. These people can’t stand the idea of the first ever black president. But, the same hatred sprouted up right after Clinton was elected and remember the hatred for Hilary,which is still here. So,some of the extreme anger is just that the right wing can’t stand to lose elections..they,amazingly,think they are entitled to govern OUR country all the time.

        • JC

          Winnie, you’re right. I despise Obama for his color…which is to say COMMUNIST RED! That’s the only color I see when I look at him.

        • Joe H.

          winnie,
          The only racebaiter I see here is you!!! It was never even mentioned at all. The only most if not all people here that are anti-O-man have against him is what he is doing to our country!!! You need to learn what the difference is!!! I suggest you read more and race bait less!!!

          • usmadgirl

            Joe H,

            You’re exactly right! The negativity against everything this idiot is doing has absolutely NOTHING to do with his being HALF black! It has EVERYTHING to do with his agenda & where he’s taking our country – down the path of destruction – Socialism or Communism or Marxism! I’m going to say it one more time – where is his WHITE half when people call those who disagree with him racists? He’s the one who has denounced his WHITE part!

            I’m so sick of hearing about the Republican Party being the “Party of NO” when by all conviction, they CAN’T agree with ANYTHING he’s doing because it’s against what the Republican Party stands for & what their constituents believe! (Yes I know their are some RINOs, but in my state, the Republican representatives vote 100% of the conservative views – I’m not going to “fire them” in 2010 & take a chance on replacing them with someone like Dede Scozzafava)! If the representatives in other states are RINOs then they SHOULD be replaced, but mine are true conservatives! My state has a few more conservative Dumb-o-crats, but we have one Obama Socialist Dem!

            These nitwits who actually WANT Socialism or Communism have apparently NOT lived under Socialism. They must have a vision of their “fantasy land” utopia being like Disney World! They’re going to have a rude awakening!

            In response to this article, I’m a female Republican & I love Sarah! She’s a true conservative! I wouldn’t trade her common sense for all the education in the world! I just wanted to puke when people said she had no “experience”! She ran an entire state & she & Todd had their own company. BO has no experience at ANYTHING except worshiping the most evil people on the planet! If anyone in this country is a racist, HE IS!!! If anyone is anti-American, HE IS! If anyone is destroying our country, HE IS! I’m so sick of hearing people say, “well he’s young & inexperienced so we need to give him a chance”! BS! He & his radical progressives have been planning their agenda for YEARS! They were just hiding in the “bushes” (no pun intended) waiting for the moment to have control of the House & the Senate & the White House to do exactly what he campaigned to do – “fundamentally change the United States of America”! People were just either too stupid to know what he meant or right in the boat with him & his agenda!

            By the way, what’s the statute of limitations on how long one administration can blame the previous one?

          • usmadgirl

            Joe H,

            Just wanted to add a comment to my previous comment! The Liberals pitched a freaking hissy fit when Bush wanted to intercept calls from known or presumed TERRORISTS, but they seem to have no problem at all with this administration having neighbors “spy & report” on neighbors, or controlling the media, controlling car companies, banks & even private companies, controlling health care, energy, population, privacy & every other aspect of our lives! What’s up with that?

          • DaveH

            Right on Madgirl.

          • Joe H.

            USAmadgirl,
            They should ALL read a book titled Puzzle Palace!!! It’s about the NSA and what they have been doing for years!!! They are the only government entity that doesn’t have a set budget!!!! They have been intercepting phone calls for years. Clear back to the EARLY 70s!!! Through several lib and republican presidents!!!! I do wish the dems would give me some peace!!!

    • JC

      Gee if the Annointed one is an American why is it so dificult for him to prove. Why do immigration officials say he isn’t? Why wasn’t he using an American passport when he was in his twenties?
      And ACORN is as corrupt an organization as they get and completely communist in nature.
      And a new health care board doesn’t have to have actual death panels…just a tacit agenda of denying care to older folks. Obama himself said that older people might just have to “live with whatever ails them”.

      Mark, you’re the one who is living in a crazy upside down world of “rationalizations”. Wake Up!

      • John

        Amen to that JC! Obama needs to be impeached immediately! Sarah Palin for our next president!!!

        • denniso

          Mark…you forgot, 80% of rightwing repubs believe they have a guardian on their shoulder…90% believe that Jesus told bush to invade Iraq and kill 100,000 women,children and old men and babies…65% believe that the endtimes are at hand and it is their duty to help bring back Jesus and in the process let billions of non believers rot on the earth they leave behind…45% still believe that Saddam was involved in 9/11…83% think that the entire world is conspiring to enslave us Americans w/ any action on global warming…and,95% believe that what they believe is actually good for our country,instead of pushing us back into the dark ages…Amazing!!!

          • Dina Beatty

            Where did you get all your statistics? Did you do your own poll?
            Regarding Obama’s birthplace and proofs….why do you think that Obama, that promised his administration would be the “most transparent” (as he often criticized The Bush Admin as being secretive); why did Obama’s FIRST day on the job SEAL ALL his records? His birth certificate, his passport, his school records, ALL records that could prove or at least throw doubts on his birthplace were SEALED by Executive Order by this “most transparent” illegitimate President. The DNC is just as guilty for not asking. What about the $1,000,000 in legal fees he has spent to keep any cases from being tried in court? etc….

          • DaveH

            Dina,
            Denniso is just spouting his usual unsupported facts.
            Read this article if you want to know who the real wingnuts are:
            http://dev.www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/New-study-More-Democrats-than-Republicans-believe-in-ghosts-talking-with-the-dead-fortunetellers-79162197.html

          • coal miner

            denniso,

            You and DeeD speak volumes and not afraid to speak the truth.Everytime these rightwing religious morons open their mouths,I bust out laughing and then I stop laughing.I was raise by a person who thought along those same lines.Keep telling like it is.

          • DaveH

            As usual, personal attacks from the Liberals.

          • denniso

            Coal…You’re right about these blowhards..I continue to be amazed by the downright foolishnes and childishness. We all need to fight back against stupidity and hate in general. Good luck and good health.

          • JC

            denniso, coal miner, winnie and their ilk would have us “progress” into poverty and world government. Nice. I think its great that the enemies of freedom and liberty are so outspoken. They’ll be easy to find and deport the the communist country of their choice later.

          • jim

            And 68% of all statistic are just made up.

          • Joe H.

            Jim,
            Especially Coal minors and denniso!!!!!

        • Claire

          OMG!!!

    • jack

      Mark,You have got to be a fool,obama is not a american his mother was a 16 year old trash who was never married to his mother,You should realy get your head out of the sand and try checking up on obama. You may just learn! But of course You are like obama wanting to see this Great Country go under Or you are a muslim like him! Have a great day

      • http://www.nosmog.com Robert Sewell Sr

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      • denniso

        you’ve got a filthy mouth and you’re a bonafide moron..please get off the site and go back to your dirty sandbox.

        • DaveH

          The Dumniso Pot calling the Kettle Black.

      • JC

        Its a filty subject, get over it.

    • http://Yahoo.com bargal

      Your numbers are interesting however, you don’t sight the polls from which they come. Please give us the exact references so we can see for ourselves where you have the right to quote stats that aren’t backed up with any comprehensive facts.

    • RoBoTech

      So you don’t support Palin.
      So what?
      So YOU are in denial on what’s coming for the Liberals in the next two elections.
      So What?
      So YOU deny the facts that there are more Conservatives than Liberals, and that more Independents are right of Center than left.
      So What?
      So what if I send you a quarter and you whine to someone who cares?
      Do you like cheese with that whine?
      So What?

    • 1american

      It must be nice to feel so superior….to think everyone who is a conservative is either a dolt a radical…..dream on Markie!!

    • John Hasse

      Wow. I guess you get your “NEWS” from the big establishment news sources.

      • denniso

        John, most people who can think and read get their news from, real news sources..it’s kind of like magic to non thinking people,that there are real journalists out there w/ schooling in journalism,of all things,and they report THE NEWS. It’s amazing to some,but true.

        • DaveH

          Denniso,
          People with real intelligence would listen to both sides of the argument.
          And real news people? Funny that they miss so much of what is going on in our country. Maybe because they’re too busy trying to cater to the Hopes and Dreams of ignorant Liberals who can’t handle the truth.

          • Claire

            Daveh—Do you honestly think people WANT and are WILLING to hear both sides of the story? It appears to me that numerous posts on this site indicate people already have their minds made up as to who they will vote for. It will be Republican or Democrat. It will be one or the other. And so the saga will continue like a soap opera.

    • Ron Stamm

      Why is it that any news about any conservative draws such ire from such obvious leftists? Are they angered that journalists in this country report anything at all about conservatives rather than ignoring them completely as has been the case lately? If any group is guilty of up is down thinking, it is those who think bad fiscal policy & huge debt, known to be bad for any business or household, is ok for government and the US economy. Also as bad are those who do not recognize that this president has broken every promise he made except the one to ‘fundamentally change America’.

    • Ross inOhio

      I hate to say this but markinohio dosen’t speak for the most. He sounds like a Obamabeanhead. He LIES allthe time! Him and his carz need to go to Cuba, they would be right a home!!!!!

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        I’m from Ohio and I say all politicians lie and promise you the moon for your vote. Here in Ohio we have had a steady stream (Taft – Noe – Montgomery – Petro ) that have dipped into the working classes funds and spent the same and the ONLY one to be prosecuted was Noe. The other 3 didn’t even get their hands slapped.
        So far Obama has not declared an illegal war that has cost thousands of innocents lives.
        But my major question—–Why do we voters keep putting the same bums in office and give them time to vote themselves big raises in pay that they take the full amount with them when they retire?

        • denniso

          Dee D, You,unlike these neanderthals spouting hate and stupidity,are civil and informed…but, I’d like to suggest that not all politicians are crooks. They are a product of the very system we are all a part of..money,power,partisanship,human nature,greed. I think most do their best, in a very flawed system,to run the machinery of gov’t that keeps the economy and society going in a modern and very complex and dangerous world. The ranters and shouters here are wrong and try,along w/ Limbaugh,to smear all people connected w/ gov’t in order to further their extreme goals.

          • DaveH

            Yes Dee, we need those honest politicians to protect us from those dishonest business owners. We all know that only honest people can get into government. Just ask Denniso.

          • DaveH

            And the truth finally comes out. Denniso is connected with government. I figured.

          • JC

            Most people working for the government are merely welfare recipients with a desk. Petty tyrants short on brains.

          • denniso

            ..SO clueless…..

          • Joe H.

            yet not so clueless as denniso!!!!!

        • Joe H.

          Dee D,
          I noticed you didn’t mention Latourette as one of your scuzzes!!! You know, the Latourette (R) that co-sponsored a bill with Mary Kaptur (D) also of Ohio that wanted to put us on the same coverage as the politicians and was tabled by the DEMS in record time!!! We don’t deserve the same type of coverage that the politicians have now do we???? According to the dems we don’t!!!!

    • Garret

      Hey (comment removed for offensive content)

    • Rod

      Markin of Ohio, Go kiss a Pig, an Obama pig!

      • jim/illinois

        dee your showing your IQ you leftist! Pretty soon we will all be ruled by the elite pigs if we don’t wake up, obama omshama he is not a citizen and he is not a legitimate president and he is not even the one making the decisions and he is not even a pretty face but he is a communist radical and will bring down this country and we will all pay dearly for our ignorance! Wake up America we don’t have much time 2, 3 maybe 5 years if we are lucky and the america we thought we were fighting for will be gone forever. if you are 30 or under you will never even know what the American dream even means and you will be servants of your masters the dictators that will follow the dictator Obama which he will become if we ever give up our guns!
        Thomas Jefferson once said he who would give up his freedom to gain security deserves neither!

        • denniso

          Hey DAveH, another mindless neanderthal here for your pie in the sky party. If he joins up w/ you can you teach him some common civility? Oh, I forgot, that could be tough for you to do and he’s already on your side so you don’t mind the foul mouth.

    • John

      You need to download the whole health care bill and read it if you can

      John

    • David Schweinforth

      So you say Obama is American born true he might be so called American born. Answer this question is he loyal to American beliefs the left is so wacked that they have fallen off the charts health care if it is actually enforced will destroy America prove to me that it won’t. The most important position will be Health secretary when enforced. And when you fight a war do you tell of your exit strategies, answer is no they will wait it out. Spending is totally out of control and if it is not taken back under control we will find ourselves defenseless it won’t matter how much money they print absolutely worthless. And lastly mister smart guy you have no clue of where Obama’s birth was if indeed in Haiwai would not someone be able to respond saying I was a nurse a receptionist or a citizen that was there to witness this birth or is he like Jesus Christ no one on the left acknowlegdes His birth so when our tax dollars go to funding abortions on Jesus’s birthday should we not be very worried about the direction this pres. is turned this country and watch for God’s judgement on us. For if we acknowledge God to others He will acknowledge us, but if we deny Him He will not acknowledge us so watch where you pledge your loyalty to the USA yes not to one man that is single handed done more damage than any foriegn enemy could ever have done. There will be an uprising to this presbo’s policies be prepared for the earthquake to come.

    • Retired in Florida

      Get your head out of the sand man.

      From the Health care plan:

      Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates “Advance-Care Planning Consult.” (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)

      Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an “approved” list of end-of-life resources; & nbsp;guiding you in death. (Also called ‘assisted suicide.’)

      Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on “end-of-life.” (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)

      Page 429 Lines 10-12: An “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)

      Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again — no choice!)

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Retired in Florida: Now lets complete your source of information. Who made these proposals to be added to the package you are speaking of? Let us know just who our enemies are. Lets make sure some are not being blamed for the actions of the No No RINOS in the government.

        • DaveH

          Thank goodness for those who can say “NO” to Big Government.
          If the government people would just butt out of the economy, prosperity would reign in this country. Every person that is taken out of the private sector to work in government is one less productive person. There are too many chiefs and too few indians.
          There are so many ways that a free market could out-produce our heavily regulated economy. Just how bad do things have to get before people realize that Big Government is the problem, not the solution?

          • denniso

            DaveH forgets(he wants to)that since WW 2 our country,in a partnership between gov’t and the market, has created the largest economy and largest middle class in the history of the world. The gov’t/market partnership has also generated the most powerful military ever. There are legitimate debates over the proper balance between the mythical ‘free market’ and how much gov’t intervention is proper and desirable,but it is a farce to pretend that a ‘free market’ can exist for any time at all in the modern world. NO other developed country of any large scale in the entire world has a ‘free market’. Oh,but we are special..we can do things that no other country can,like suspend the laws of logic and rationality.

          • DaveH

            Sure. The USSR had one of the world’s most powerful militaries until their economy finally collapsed.
            Our country has been relatively free economically until the last several decades. It takes time for Big Government to completely waste our assets, although Obama might accomplish that feat sooner than we think.
            Look how long it took the USSR to completely collapse even under the negatively productive system of Communism.
            Even China has gotten smart enough to give their businesses more freedom.

          • DaveH

            And Denniso, don’t even pretend to know anything about logic. It’s best that you stick to your usual name-calling, ridicule, and condescension as your powers of logic are lacking.

          • DaveH

            Using Denniso logic, a mountain climber who has reached the top of the mountain with rocks in his pack was aided by those rocks.

        • JC

          You’ve got that the wrong way around. Since WW11 the government in partnership with business (that’s fascism BTW) has “stifled and controlled” the greatest economy in history to their own advantage and to our detriment. And now under the President Usurper we are finally going completely down the drain. Where do you think the wealth came from, career welfare recipients sitting around getting fat and admiring their bling bling? Nope!…it came from principled people who wanted to achieve some form of excellence for themselves and their families. In other words NOT from Liberals.

          • denniso

            J C…you need help….READ!!! For at least 70 yrs we have lead the world economically and militarily,w/ gov’t regulating the economy and bailing it out when necessary. You and DaveH really should do some actual thinking for a change rather than ranting and raving that the sky is falling.

          • JC

            Denniso, you’re really not worth responding to any time…but we are now in the process of becoming the fastest declining economy in history, thanks to you liberal shills and parasites. You just don’t get that everything you just mentioned was accomplished by free people…and that”s not what America is made of any more. At least for now. The problem with the world you envision is that somebody else has to pay for it. READ…how Communism worked, or rather didn’t work and maybe some light will penetrate your thick liberal skull.

          • DaveH

            Isn’t it funny JC that Dumniso would talk about us ranting the sky is falling when that is the entire Democratic platform:
            Oh, woe is us, we need more free medical care! Oh, woe is us, Global Warming is coming! But we need to solve those terrible problems with other peoples’ money!

            You are such an ignorant loser Dumniso. Tell us how your workers paradise would solve our problems. Maybe you know something the USSR, or Mao’s China, or Fidel’s Cuba didn’t know.

        • Diana

          What?????

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Diana, you have got to be the smartest of wacko people commending on this blog, including me. I don’t understand half of these commends made and still reply with a half-baked response. I should response like you did. What? And leave it at that.

          • Joe H.

            Winnie,
            I have no trouble believing you can’t understand ANYTHING!!! You are so far down the scale that you probably can’t understand your own thoughts!!!

    • hopeforamerica

      To: MarkInOhio; I Couldn’t Agree with you More! Palin is an idiot, and an embarrassment to women. As a woman, she does not represent me … and she’s an idiot!

      • JC

        Just another Lieberal doing what they do best…”name calling”. I swear they really are a bunch of petulant children aren’t they? No wonder they need government to be their mommy and daddy.

        • DaveH

          It all boils down to one thing JC – laziness. They don’t want to put in the necessary effort to get their ducks in a row, so they need to blame others for their problems. The real irony is that those “useful idiots” will be the ones who get stepped on the most if we do lose our country to tyranny.

          • JC

            Yep, laziness. Whiny annoying laziness. Apparently the last 60 years of Federally directed, mandatory education has worked wonders on the less bright among us. The “culture of entitlement” thinks we’ll actually put up with them.

      • DaveH

        Hope is all your people have to offer. But Reality trumps Hope in my book everytime. I’m not sure if I’d vote for Sarah because I don’t think she would downsize government as much as I’d like, but she makes way more sense than the starry-eyed Liberals you champion.
        Liberals say they dislike the rich fat cats, but then want to elect well-paid Politicians to Party on our money. I have never had a private sector rich person force me to do anything, but I’ve had plenty of experience with government bullies forcing me to do things I don’t want to do.
        Just the fact that so many mindless Liberals attack Sarah so viciously tells me that she must be onto something.

      • jim/illinois

        leftists like this fool are such self haters and they hate anyone who they know will kick the bejesus out of their so called leaders because Sarah Palin is a real American that we can trust and i do believe if we ever get the chance to vote for someone like her it might not be too late. Isn’t funny how liberals are when they don’t like something they want to make sure no one can enjoy it, like peta for instance they don’t like meat so no one should eat it or liberals don’t like guns so no one should own them, wheras conservatives if they don’t like meat they don’t eat it or if they don’t like guns they don’t own one and that is it. The damn smarmy fools

        • DaveH

          They’re control freaks. It is so obvious. They are so insecure in their own beliefs that they need to force them on others. Their ideas can’t stand up to voluntary contracts because most people wouldn’t choose their way unless forced.

      • Diana

        HopeforAmerica – Is that a good name for you?? No wonder we’re on the way down.

      • usmadgirl

        Hopeforamerica,

        Your name does NOT represent your views! The only reason you could think (if that’s a possibility for you) that Sarah Palin is an idiot is if you’re anti-conservative, anti-common sense, anti-intelligent, anti-Christian, anti-capitalist, anti-constitutional & anti-American! There IS no HOPE for America as long as this administration is in office! You are extremely confused! God help you & all the others like you!

    • Ohioanalso

      To many people with they head in the sand I haven’t watched the main stream news for the last several years because of the BS. Washington has gone unchecked far too long. The system works its the politicians that have failed they are too corruptible. We have failed for not holding them accountable If Sarah can do in Washington what she did in Alaska. The Democrats out right Fear this woman makes you wonder why? I think we know the answer

      • DaveH

        As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

        • JC

          “My Party” denniso? what’s my party? Oh you think I’m caught up in the left right hamster wheel you run in all day? Guess what, as far as I’m concerned you can have an abortion every month. Considering your moral base I’d rather you did that than pollute the world with another liberal. After all, freedom means choices. So if you want to have sex with a basket ball team and avoid the consequences…Hey! Its all up to you as far as I’m concerned.

      • denniso

        Please,by all means, run palin in 2012 and further tear the repub party to bits w/ more of a move to the extreme right. We sane people are licking our lips and can hardly wait for your ‘saviour’ Palin to get back on stage. By the way,’what she did in Alaska’ was QUIT…some fighter she is.

        • JC

          You’re really quite brainwashed with emotional baseless thinking aren’t you?
          What you refer to as “right wing” is really quite centrist. It’s quite simply basic American values. Live and let live kind of thing, as opposed to Government knows best…But you wouldn’t be all that familiar with the concept having been spoon fed on Marx all of your left wing life.

          • denniso

            ..come on, you’re really not that dumb! ‘Live and let live kind of thing’?? Your party wants to outlaw a womans right to her own body..continues to outlaw herbs like pot,after they ratcheted up the war on drugs under Nixon and then your holiness Reagan…Your party wants to outlaw gay marriage…your party would outlaw being gay in total if they could..your party wants to use the power of gov’t to force the Christian religion on the country…your party..oh hell,I could go on and on. Live and let live?? hardly!!

          • JC

            JC says:
            December 27, 2009 at 8:39 am
            “My Party” denniso? what’s my party? Oh you think I’m caught up in the left right hamster wheel you run in all day? Guess what, as far as I’m concerned you can have an abortion every month. Considering your moral base I’d rather you did that than pollute the world with another liberal. After all, freedom means choices. So if you want to have sex with a basket ball team and avoid the consequences…Hey! Its all up to you as far as I’m concerned.
            As far as homosexuals go, I couldn’t care less. Its the “screamers” that annoy the hell out of me though.
            I’m a lover of the Constitution and freedom. Therefore I subscribe to neither the Dems nor the GOP…they are both criminal and you are one of the many too stupid to see it.

          • DaveH

            After all this time, Dumniso still doesn’t know you’re not a Republican. Amazing, especially with all the condescension he spews.

        • DaveH

          The only thing you’re licking your lips about, Denniso, is the prospect of sharing other peoples’ money.
          I realize that Liberals possess no morality, but I would think you guys would at least try to be consistent. For decades Liberals have been whining about the “glass ceiling” keeping women from succeeding. Well, here we have a woman who has succeeded and all the Liberals want to do is drag her down.
          And for decades the Liberals have whined about the Slavery of the 19th century, but then turn right around and try to enslave those who have succeeded through hard work, risk taking, and sacrifice.
          You don’t have to explain that to me as I know the reality is that Liberals will use whatever BS excuse they can muster to achieve their real goal of taking the money of others.
          You are not sane, Dumniso, you are just immoral.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            sanity takes a vacation when denniso is around!! “Slow” takes on a whole new meaning with him!!!

    • michael

      I agree 100 per cent

    • coal miner

      MarkInOhio,

      Sara Palin is anything but brilliant.This woman didn’t know where Spain is located.She thought we were at war with Iran,she quit her job as governor of Alaska,because she couldn’t take the pressure.God forbid if she becomes president.We would be in serious trouble.I always wonder if she had been a plain Jane,would she be where she is now?

      • GONZO(FLORIDA)

        MRS COAL MINER
        MR BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, DOES NOT EVEN KNOW, HOW MANY STATES ARE THERE IN THE U.S.A.! HE QUOTED “57 STATES, WITHIN THE UNION!!!SO WHO IS THE GENIUS!!!

        • jim

          57 states the 50 we know of, the state of confusion, the state of dimesia, the state of denial, the state of decay,state of deception,the state of kaos,and the great state of elitism.

        • DaveH

          That is so funny Gonzo. Just in case the Liberals try to deny that, here it is from the donkey’s mouth:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

    • GONZO(FLORIDA)

      AS A CONSERVATIVE, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY TO MARK, TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THE POLICIES AND IDEOLOGY HE DEFENDS! WHEN A GROUP OF PEOPLE LOOK AT GOVERMENT DEPENDENCY, ABORTION , CLASS WARFARE, PROTECTING ANIMALS OVER UNBORN BABIES, ENVIRONMENT OVER NATIONAL ECONOMIC PROSPERITY AND STABILITY,NATIONAL SECURITY, AND PROTECTING THE WORLD’S SECOND MOST PERFECT DOCUMENT EVER PUBLISHED(THE U.S. CONSTITUTION),YOU TELL ME , WHO HAS GOT THEIR PRIORITIES UPSIDE DOWN! STOP LIVING A LIE, AND START LOOKING AT WHAT THE PROGRESSIVE POLICIES FOLLOWED BY DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN PLACES LIKE CUBA, NICARAGUA, CHINA, NORTH KOREA, RUSSIA, IRAN, VENEZUELA, AND SEVERAL OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD!!! READ UP(AT LEAST THREE SOURCES),INSTEAD
      OF REPEATING OTHERS WORDS OR COMMENTS, LIKE PARROT!!!!!

      • coal miner

        Gonzo Gorilla,

        What did these jackass conseratives accomplished?I am going to refresh your memory.
        The Great Depression:The 30s
        The economic mess we are currently in.
        Remember Ronald Reagan’s Hero Calvin Coolidge:Here what he said;A dollar a day,a pair of bib overalls was good enough for any workman.
        The great sell out to Communist China.
        We don’t need to have another repeat of Coolidge and Hoover times.
        We put the people first,not some foreign country.

        • DaveH

          Duh, Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democrat) was president from 1933 to 1945. The Depression continued for more than 8 years under Roosevelt.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            You don’t expect coalminor to read that and make sense of it do you? All I have seen from him is my mother was like that and I know….. What does he know? Nothing!!! You remember the lines from the song? Workin’ ina’ coal mine, goin’ down down down!!!! That’s where he wants to take the country…DOWN!!!!

          • denniso

            OK geniuses…Hoover was president whaen the crash of ’29 actually happened…he did very little to remedy the depression for the 4 yrs he held office..He, like you scholars, thought the ‘free market’ would pull us out of the mess…he was a Repub,in case people don’t know. We were mired in the deepest global depression ever in the history of the world by the time Roosevelt got elected,largely because of Hoovers lack of action. Sure the depression continued,but Roosevelt started putting real people to work and worked his butt off to get the economy moving again. I don’t expect you to listen to logic and common sense, you’re only partisan hacks who want your share of power over people.

          • JC

            Yeah, putting real people to work digging ditches, producing nothing more than dependants. Ever tried to understand the role the Fed and the Keynesian system played in the crash of 29 Dumbo? Oh no, that would be a little too cerebral for you wouldn’t it? It might lead to you understanding just how evil things really are.

          • coal miner

            SCAB DAVE,

            I was born in the thirties,I know better.Dad started back to work in the year nineteen thirty five and was working long after Truman was president.We and a lot of people weren’t that lucky when Scab Coolidge and his moronic sidekick Hoover took office.They christain in the Great Depression. I think they called it Hoover times.Remember what Calvin Coolidge said about the American worker and what they deserved.Remember what Jack London said about scabs.BUY AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS!MAKE SURE IT HAS A UNION LABEL!YOU CAN’T GO WRONG!

          • DaveH

            You see folks, Dumniso and his ilk still wouldn’t throw in the towel after their kind presided over 8 years of Depression. Liberals will never admit to their failed policies.

            And Coal Miner, why should I buy products made by Union Gangs. Do you think I want to further enrich the pushy, violent portion of society?

        • Faith in Ohio

          The economic mess we are in was not created by conservatives. I encourage all to search 2004 hearings of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. You will see Maxine Waters and Barney Frank lying as usual defending the Fair Housing Doctrine that I believe was put into place by Jimmy Carter, cont. with Bill Clinton to allow people to get loans that could not afford them. And still we continue to throw money into programs like this. We the People must stop all the rediculous spending. Obama and his team full of tax cheats are intentionally destroying our economy.(Yes there have been deceivers on both sides for decades and we are sick of them all and they will be removed. Go to GOOOH) We should never have had the first stimulous. If a Fair Tax.org were in place more than enough would be collected for our needs. (Not wants!) Our taxes should not be supporting the thousands of programs that it does. Why does gov. not want a Fair Tax? Because they do not want the people to be in control! Helping those truly in need should be left to individual communities where those that request assistance have LEGITIMATE needs. Instead our(MY) hard earned tax dollars go to people that choose not to be responsible and to sell the soul of America as seen with the sell outs of the Health Care Bill. Those on assistanc should be given drug test, the section 8 or rental properties paid for by the tax payer should be inspected and they should not be allowed to vote. They should only get the basics for groceries and not a card that allows them to purcase more than I could even think about in a month and at the same time pull out a wad of cash to purcase beer and ciggarettes. As for Sarah Palin she is not a quitter. The radical left continued to try and paralyze her with false lawsuits. America needs the leadership that was shown in Alaska. What experience did Obama have? Palin recognizes the seriousness of Americas troubles. The left is afraid because they want to continue all of the entitlement programs and not be forced into responsibility. I constantly hear of illegal immigrants doing jobs americans won’t do. We must make it mandatory that those on the gov. dole earn my tax dollars. We are penalized for getting married yet rewarded for having children out of wedlock. I could go on and on and on. There is so much that is wrong that must be changed. Enough is enough! Furthermore stop playing the race card. Your accusations are so far from the truth. There are many blacks that I and others like me would vote for in a heartbeat. They are critized from the radical left because they do believe in whats right. Its just a shame that the first black president has disgraced America so much in so little time. Many have awaken to this deceitful man and all of those he has surrounded himself with. I challenge those who support this administration start searching up the names and do some research. Look deep into the back ground of George Soros, Van Jones all of the czars etc. and then see for yourselves. Shocking! Wake up America!

        • Joe H.

          Coal minor(Minor thought process!)
          The coal mines are unionized and what do you think is going to happen when the clean air act goes into effect??? You and your West by God Virginia buddies are going to be out of a job!!!! Hope you like the unemployment lines!!! O-man already said that he will be the death of the coal mines!!! Bye Bye Coal miners!!!

    • Claire

      MarkinOhio–I do not pay any attention to the polls–I do not believe they are accurate especially because of the people that are behind these polls. Check it out.

  • Steve

    It is interesting to read the previous email from the liberal from Ohio. Opinions of conservatives are “wrong”. They, the liberal, hold the ultimate truth.
    I’m sure they could clinically be considered “psychotic”.

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      Steve: If asking for proof of outrageous claims is being psychotic – then maybe we all should become more psychotic. I dislike a play on words or distortion of complete sentences or out and out lies to try to convince anybody to believe the way I do.
      James says he has all the necessary proof that Obama is not a citizen – prove it James, so we can all band together and do something about it.

      • James

        Dee D, It is Mr. Lucas Daniel Smith, of California, who has all the evidence, I simply obtained a copy of it from Ken Kemble; P.O. Box 5204; Uvalde, Texas 78802. Mr. Smith filed his affidavit and lawsuit in a California District Court (see my comment above, of this date), which challenged Obama’s presidency. Mr. Smith signed that affidavit on September 3, 2009. What will become of it remains to be seen.

  • http://yahoo GARY FORBES

    I THANK PEOPLE SHOULD LEAVE OUUR PRESIDENT ALONE AND LET HIM RUNNED THE OFFICE LIKE IT SHOULD BE DONE. GO OBAMA GO ALL THE WAY

    • JC

      He can run his office any way he wants. The minute he thinks he can run our lives…well that’s what the Second Amendment is for , isn’t it?

      • michael

        That’s what conservatives wavnt to do run our lives . Conservatives want everyone to believe the same way. They feel abortion is wrong so they want to force that belief on everyone, They believe gay marriage is wrong and want to force it on everyone, they believe their view of religion is the only view and want to force it on everyone ETC. So who is trying to riun who’s life?

        • DaveH

          Michael,
          I agree that the government shouldn’t be involved in protecting us from ourselves. They should only be involved in protecting people from the force of others. In that respect, Republicans fall down. However, the Democrats are much more into force than are the Republicans. They have absolutely no qualms about dictating how our money is spent. They want to force expensive alternative energy schemes on us for a Man-Made Global Warming hoax that is far away from being scientifically established. They want to control our medical expenditures and choices. They love to waste our money (and our childrens’ future money) on pie-in-the-sky expenditures.
          The Democrats are big into regulating the heck out of our economy. Big Corporations love heavy regulation because they can easily afford the Cadres of lawyers and accountants to deal with it. But regulations hobble their smaller competitors who can’t afford to deal with them.
          Do some studying on “economic freedom” and learn that the more regulated an economy is, the less prosperous it is.
          Here is one good link:
          http://www.heritage.org/index/

        • jim/illinois

          its actually the other way around fool conservative want the state to decide if abortion is legal not the phone Roe V wade argument that mandates everyone should participate and conservatives believe that religion should be free the left worships abortion it is their god and it will be their downfall get your head out of your A!!

          • jim/illinois

            also we don’t give a damn if your gay go do what you want just don’t expect us to sacrifice our country to santify gay marriage, you want to go mary your dog then go ahead just stop expecting all of us to worship your rediculous views, bottom line is the santification of gay marriage is nothing more then an attack on the traditional family and the family structure is what is standing in the way of completely destroying this country once and for all.

        • JC

          Well its interesting that you would say that. I’m very conservative and religion doesn’t begin to influence my thinking at all. As far as I’m concerned you can go and have an abortion then marry a fag…I really don’t care, just leave me the hell alone.

        • Joe H.

          michael,
          We want to run your lives????? Who wants to take my tax money and pay for something I am diametrically and religiously opposed to as in abortion??? Get real and wise up!! Half of the people that are for abortions just want to have their fun and not have the responsibility of the consequences of their actions. It all boils down to that phrase you libbers hate!! Personal Responsibility!!!!

        • GONZO(FLORIDA)

          WE CONSERVATIVES BELIEVE IN THE FOLLOWING:1)RESPECT FOR LIFE(ALSO THE UNBORN);2)RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION(AS IT IS);3)SMALLER GOVERMENT; 4)INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY;5)LESS TAXES AND STOP SPENDING THE NATION INTO BANKRUPTCY;6)STOP THE WEALTH DISTRIBUTION BULL-”IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO WORK FOR IT, YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF IT!;7)STOP REWRITING HISTORY ACCORDING TO THE LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE VIEWS;8)”DRILL,BABY,AND DRILL”-WHILE INVESTING IN NEW TECHNOLOGY TO CONTINUE TO POWER THIS GREAT COUNTRY FOR THE NEXT MILLION YEARS!;9)AS AN AMERICAN WITH A HIS-PANIC NAME,AND HAVING LIVED IN PLACES OTHER THAN MAINLAND U.S.A.,IT IS TIME TO STOP CHANGING OR AMMENDING THE CONSTITUTION, TO PLEASE EVE-RY GROUP THAT SHPWS UP ASKING FOR THEIR OWN SPECIAL AMMENDMENT!!!!!

    • http://Yahoo.com bargal

      Your plea for the President is quit honorable however he should be well informed on the persons he works for before trying to take over our lives and freedoms. We did not and do not have Kings and Queens in this country to do as they please and rule. He is put into office to lead and thus far has failed.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        bargal: Please don’t bust my bubble. I thought Cheney was the Lord and the shambles he made of our constitution between 2000 – 2008 was for our benefit.

    • Earlw

      Perhaps you should go back to elementary school and learn how to construct a sentence and spell correctly, or at least use a spell-checker!!! It’s Ignoramuses like yourself that make up the great horde that hangs on Nobama’s every word…Oh! Our Saviour!! Yeah, right.. Sheep being led to the slaughter, more likely………..

    • Enigmaticaluna

      We let him run the presidency, the problem is that he don’t know how to do his job, and so far the only thing he’s been done, very good, is to be a puppet, do the derty work of those that try to destroy this Country, including you, and campaign, so far, nothing he has done, is part of been a President, that by the way stand for the good of the USA, not his corrupt, criminals, traitor and haters friends. That’s the problem. We need a PRESIDENT, not a puppet.

    • Rod

      Gary Forbes, when God gave out the brains, YOU WERE ABSENT!

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Be kind Rod: Gary thought he said trains and he missed his.

      • Joe H.

        Nah, he thought they said rains and he ran for cover!!!!

    • jim

      Hi Gary, When you said Obama sould be lefy alone to run his office you forgot to insert the I between the U and the N. (ruin)

    • hopeforamerica

      Amen to that. I completely support our president and commend him for trying to clean up the HUGE Titanic Mess the Republicans left behind. Go Obama! GO Progressives! We need new progressive Ideas…. the “think outside the box kind” to move this country forward. Palin is dishonest, and an embarrassment to women. I should have participated in the CNN poll.

      • michael

        I agree. Coservatism has RUINED our country. bush was a disgrace.

        • DaveH

          I was not fond of Bush, but he pales in comparison to the damage Obama is doing. The last president we had that was similar to Obama was Jimmy Carter and he devastated our economy so much that for the first time in 25 years the Democrats lost control of Congress:
          http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

          Carter and his fellow Democrat Congressmen didn’t do anywhere near the wasteful spending that is occurring under Obama and his ilk.

          • denniso

            DaveH…when are you going to learn?? ‘Bush pales in comparison to what Obama has done wrong’? You want to blame Obama so much that you gloss over Bush/Cheny w/ whitewash…they pushed through the TRILLION $$ drug plan that is also flawed…they sacrificed thousands of lives and what will be at least another TRILLION $$ in an illegal war,Iraq, and wasted more $$ and lives by not finishing the war in Afghanistan. They also gave away another TRILLION $$ in tax cuts to the very wealthy. AND,they let the economy crater under their control and cost the people several TRILLIONS in lost pensions and investments and then started the bailouts w/ another 1/2 TRILLION or so. If that is ‘pale’ in comparison to Obama, then I’m a clown like you clearly are.

          • DaveH

            Denniso,
            You aren’t smart enough to be a clown. You are just an ignorant Liberal. Luckily many other people are waking up to the mess your Hero has created:
            http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

          • denniso

            I notice that you didn’t respond to my comment listing the TRILLIONS of $$ that Bush burned through..just more childish name calling..come on,try speaking.

          • Joe H.

            denniso,
            When something is so ignorant as to not warrent an answer people usually don’t. I just thought you might not have a clue so I thought I’d clue you in!!!!

      • NObama Supporter

        The word HOPE has been ruined for us forever.
        The only HOPE we have is that he will be a
        one term President. It doesn’t matter WHO runs for
        the Republicans, it could be a monkey, male/female,
        the votes will be for anyone running AGAINST HIM.
        He’s the worst president EVER….he has spent more
        money than ALL the other presidents COMBINED in his first
        year. We CANNOT AFFORD him and his lock-step democrats.

        Many of you conveniently forget that in 2006 the Demos were
        in the majority.

        • jim/illinois

          I disagree conservatives actually have brains and think before they vote the Democrats would vote for a monkey and any thing else that has a D in their title. Just like the matrix these people exist in their little pods waiting for Mommy-Government to hand over the milk machine so they can breast feed or they just won’t be able to make it in life.

    • Joe H.

      GARY FORBES,
      I hope you can read better than you can spell!! Otherwise, if they ever come up with an intelligence test to vote you and dennislobber are lost!!!!

  • http://williamsjohnb@live.com J. B. Williams

    Isn’t it interesting that the media is only concerned with opinion polls. I prefer the late Jack Webb’s point of view, just give us the facts and let us form our own opinion. Mrs. Palin puts God first, family second and job third, the same view the late Vince Lombardi held. We know what the President’s priorities are, and none of them are even close to these.
    JBW

  • m.s.

    Mark-If I were a liberal, as you are, I would be much more concerned about the annointed one’s rapid fall from grace in the polls due to his obvious ‘empty suit’ status. Whether, or not, ACORN stole the election for Obama, it is more clear that Franken’s “win” was due to their influence. And fyi, a Certificate of Live Birth is NOT a certified birth certificate…a document that has not been released. And the original House Bill had provisions for end-of-life counseling that included use of antibiotics. Further, considering that there aren’t enough primary care physicians already, there’s no doubt in my mind that rationing of care will occur when 30M+ patients enter the system. Further still, a reduction in Medicare benefits of $500B will NOT positively impact health care for seniors, and the Bill includes establishing a hierarchy of bureaucracy where ultimately Sebelius apparently determines access. Palin supported the RIGHT of the birthers to voice their concerns, and was accurate in her concerns about vague wording in the health care Bills that trumped the patient-doctor relationship with a panel of bureaucrats. In short, you’re wrong. Get used to it.

    • denniso

      ms…you throw labels like ‘liberal’ around and you have no clue what it actually is. Try presenting your views on your own.

      • jim/illinois

        Well actually the true meaning these days is Communist! Its pretty obvious isn’t it!

      • Joe H.

        denniso,
        If being a liberal means being like you then I want no part of it!! I do thank you for one thing however, you and others like you have converted more liberals to conservatives than all the talking we could ever do!!!!

  • Alton Robinson

    Let’s see Palin is open about where she went to college who paid her dues and supported her during that time, she admits to the jobs she has had, came from a working class family and pulled her self up by her abitlities. And Obama, we think he went to some colleges but will not allow the records released to prove it. The only job I have heard that he held is as community organizer. He was a poor boy but some how he went to the best schools, had the money to travel the world and even got into a country that did not allow Americans. But he still will not tell where the money came from to do all this with. Did he rob a bank sell drugs, one has to wonder how he did it. At first I thought because he was the “one” he had special super human abilities. But after hearing him speak without the tele prompters to read from I knew that wasn’t it.
    When Palin’s book came out there were all kinds of reporters tearing it apart to find some wrong or lies in it, so far they have found nothing but a few irregular time lines. Obama’s books came out I have heard of no one checking the facts in it. Because I believe they are not facts but fiction by a person that wished that what his writers wrote were true.
    But only time will tell what is true and false but you will not hear it from the msm they will spin the tail the way they want it to seem.
    America was set up to give people the opportunity to make it on their own. I don’t see where the founding fathers ever meant for the one’s that want to improve their life style to have to drag the people who do not want to work or improve them selves along with them. If you want something in the USA get out and make it on your own not expect the government to give it to you. All you are doing is becoming slaves to the gov.

    • michael

      Palin is a joke. She colud not even finish her term as governor. Tells you a lot about her character. She’s a QUITTER

      • DaveH

        She quit because she wasn’t able to do her job as governor when she was fighting the myriad bogus lawsuits that were being directed at her from the rabid left. And you boneheads are still following her everywhere trying your best to discredit her.
        Notice that after the initial lower ratings in the polls due to the quitting she has rebounded to her previous levels of popularity. You Liberals need to find a way to silence her. It’s freedom of speech that is the problem because she makes much more sense than the Liberals do. The more people open their minds and listen to Sarah, the more she is going to crush the ignorant Liberals.
        And that says a lot, because Hopes and Dreams are a powerful intoxicant. It takes a supreme effort to overcome that Liberal Drug.

        • denniso

          You actually love Palin??

          • DaveH

            No, frankly I don’t pay much attention to her. I always vote Libertarian. But the fact that you Liberals are so down on her tells me she must be doing something right.

        • Claire

          Sometimes where there is smoke there is fire.

      • papa-j

        Why all the bashing? Things have been going this way since Judge Bork! The only difference between the Dems and Repub is which side of their mouth they are lie to us.

        • JC

          Yep! Time to clean house.

        • Claire

          Great opinion and oh so true.

      • jim/illinois

        The really funny thing is that all of you leftists are scarred to death of Sarah Palin because you know what is coming and oh man am i going to laugh hard when it does, you people look rediculous when you are out of power.

        • Claire

          Freddie Krueger may scare me, especially if he were alive, but Palin does not scare me. I am not afraid of something that is not realistic. If a female ever becomes the President of the United States, I would personally prefer a female with the brains of Margaret Thatcher.

      • jim/illinois

        you better hope pray to whatever god you people pray to that Sarah Palin is a quitter!

  • http://N/A Ed

    If James has that document ? Why not turn it over to the necessary agenceys or go public with it? Civil Action ? I dont think so ? Have we all gone deaf, dumb, and blind?

    • Ken Kirkham

      Ed, actually most of the liberals have gone deaf, dumb and blind. They refuse to look at any report that challenges Obama as anything but a lie so yes…you are deaf, dumb and blind…apparently.

    • Stephen

      All conjecture about why not this and why not that could easily be put to rest if B.O. would simply produce a birth certificate. Instead of doing so, he made a trip to Kenya (under the guise of visiting his mother) and had all of his records sealed (birth, medical, educational, legal, etc.). Those that dare to ask “Why did B.O. go to so much trouble to seal the records? What is he trying hide?” get branded with the term “Birther”. Name calling is the last resort of someone whose argument is too weak to be viable. The “birth” emphasis properly belongs on B.O. who has publicly stated that none of us have standing to ask, rather than us, the real government, his employers, the people of the United States of America.

      • denniso

        You people are doomed..if this is what you call productive political action to further your agenda. This ‘birther’ farce is a joke and a waste of your ‘valuable’ time. Get on to something real,dudes. Oh,wait..maybe you should keep on spinning your muddy wheels in futility so you can’t actually do any real damage to my country. Yea Palin..Yea birthers!!

        • JC

          Don’t get too comfortable with that thought denniso, what do you think we’re doing when we’re not here?

        • coal miner

          Dennico,

          Did you ever notice very letter is discuss about Sara Palin on this thread?It is personal attacks against people who try to exercise their rights.Most of these attacks from people like DaveH and his boot licking sycophants that follow him.That Libertarian horse manure he espouses is a sick joke.He certainly isn’t for freedom of speech,if you disagree with him he resorts to vicious attacks and name calling,He cares very little about the american people.I wish you and your family a happy holiday.

          • Joe H.

            coal minor,
            First it’s denniso not dennico or as I call him denniso!!! second it’s Every letter not very letter. If you and denniso are a prime example of the quality democrats these days, you guys are in trouble!!!!

          • denniso

            Coal…happy new year and best wishes for 2010….stay tough.

          • coal miner

            denniso,

            Sorry about the mispelling of your name.Joeh, was correcting me on it.He shold start checking his own mistakes.He had Ford pardon LBJ,I thoght it was Nixon.

          • coal miner

            Joeh,Moron

            I meant every letter.At least I didn’t mispell a lot of words and thought Ford pardon LBJ.Man are you out for lunch!

    • jim

      Hi Ed, If you have documents like that and turned them over to officials that work for him, how far do you think they’d get. I went through more scrutiny, having to show a birth certificate, SS card,and get fingerprinted for a background check to get a part time job driving a schoolbus than Obama needed to get his job.

      • http://N/A Ed

        If James had the real birth certificate and was a real American, he would have done something with it. Or he could give it to me. And I wouldnt go deaf, dumb , and blind.Im a veteran of Foreign Wars and to many people fought to keep this Country Free. Its time to keep fighting!!! Ed

      • Joe H.

        James,
        right about here would be a good time to answer!!!! I don’t hold out much hope of you answering, but I do know that O-man has to be a “one termer”!!!! God help us if he isn’t!!!

    • James

      Ed, read my comments of December 25 & 30 above. Filing a Civil Action is all a citizen can do. Mr. Smith has done that, he has simply exposed the fact, in a federal District Court, that Barack Hussein Obama has violated the constitutional requirement that a president of these United States must be a natural born citizen. If federal courts refuse to honor that evidence then, barring an armed revolt, there’s nothing more that can be done about it.

  • Billy

    I think that both parties are doomed, and that a new or different party will come into existence that will be a more moderate party and be prolife and anti abortion and will put GOD[JESUS CHRIST] first.

    • El Chichon’

      We need a “CONSERVATIVE PARTY”. That way no liberals or moderates can get in. They would be identified and made public so they would be forced to remain with their communist parties of choice, either Democrat or Republican. It would be very hard for one to infiltrate the CONSERVATIVE PARTY, “if it is ran correctly”. Communism is deeply rooted in our Nation and our government. It is time to start the cleansing process. Hope it is not too late. They are already in control of many things in high places that will make it harder for us commoners to weed out. They are the professors in many if not all of the colleges who are teaching students to be school teachers. They control your childrens minds in school. I bet most if not all children in this country actually believe there is such a thing as global warming just because some communist school teacher brain washed your kid into believing this crap. All this commie crap originated with comrade Al Gore. This is a malignant cancerous growth on the moral fiber of this nation and if its not stopped in time, we will all suffer the consequences because we covered our eyes and ears and our mouths. They lulled us right to sleep with no effort. Another problem is the Christian preachers quit preaching. It seems as though they are afraid to say the truth from behind the pulpit for fear of running off a good thithing member. This is total kaos from top to bottom. We have a lot of work to do.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        El Chichon’ We had 8 years of Conservative control and look where we are.

        • JC

          Think bigger. We’ve had almost one hundred years of bought and paid for governments..left and right. The whole system needs to be trashed and followed by a return to our Constitutional Republic.

        • DaveH

          Dee,
          If you don’t like “control”, there is a solution. Vote Libertarian.
          If you are one of those Democrats who just wants to make your own decisions about your own body and property, Libertarians are the answer.
          If you are one of those Democrats that wants to ride on the shoulders of others against their will, stay with the Democratic Party.
          If you are one of those Democrats that wants to control your neighbors’ choices, stay with the Democratic Party.

        • El Chichon’

          Dee D,
          No, we have been under liberal control since 2006. Now, look where we are. It is both parties under the control of those who are pushing for a one world government. The people behing the one world government are the true enemies. The republicans claim to be conservatives, but are not. Both parties are nothing but sleezy liars and so are the libertarians. If true conservatism were in charge you would not see any erosion of our freedoms. Those who want Obama impeached need to withdraw their cranium from their anal orifice so they can see where they are going. It is not going to happen as long as the foxes are guarding the hen house. These crooked trial lawers who sit in Washington on their high horses are the ones making the laws. Do people think that they are not going to leave a loop hole for themselves? How naive the people in this nation have become. THINK FOR YOURSELVES PEOPLE!!!!!! Don’t let these crooks do your thinking for you. Don’t be a mindless wimp, use the brain God gave you to think and reason with. I wish Sara Palin would start a conservative party platform to run on instead of a republican party platform. The liberals are scared stiff of her. Every where you look, whether it be on Saturday night live or the mainstream media communist news network (CNN)etc. they all try to belittle her and make fun of her to try to bring her down. Why? Because they are scared out of their skin of her. You being the liberal that I suspect you are, are probably scared as well because you want to have your communism and sell your neighbor’s freedom down the river. Typical.

      • jim/illinois

        You are right on target with your comment but one correction the communists have owned the dems since the 50′s and are almost in control of the repubics as well they both suck and they have sold us out it is time for cleansing.

        • Joe H.

          jim/illinois
          I don’t know about the fifties but for sure the 60s. I wasw there and it was a stone cold alphabet soup!!! LSD, STP, Orange sunshine, POT, the big “O”. I guess it was an international party too. Maui wowie, Thai gold, Hanoi red, Yeah I was there to witness it all and picked a piece of a friends skull off of my guard uniform in RVN after he put an M-16 on full auto under his chin and pulled the trigger!!! See he was hooked on H and lost his contacts when he was transfered to our unit so he started on barbs to try and cope….it didn’t work!!!! I tried to get him help before that but he wouldn’t take it and the company wouldn’t give it!!

  • Robert

    I like former Gov Palin. She is honest and down to earth. One of a very few politicans in todays environment that can speak to the average American in terms we can all understand. No frills, double speak, political correctness and the rest of the crap we hear from every other politician these days. So I hope she decides to continue in politics in some way or another.

    • Alan Clark

      Very true…We all understand her quite clearly…even the Libs, but the message she has contains too much truth for them to deal with. You see, Libs can’t stand the truth because it pulls the covers off of an otherwise warm bed that they sleep in. Burrrr…that must be cold, huh?

  • Billy

    We have too many people in office that can not be trusted, that will not keep their word. That can be bought with a little amount. How can you turn against your people and expect to get help for them?

    • Ronald

      Obama has two rectums, one he sits on and one he talks from and the same crap comes out of both of them, all lies.,

      • Rod

        GOOD OBSERVATION Ronald!

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Ronald: You seem to have the indoor scoop on Obama. Please educate us. Where do your smarts come from?

        • Joe H.

          Dee D,
          We won’t ask you that question as we know you don’t have any!!!!

      • http://n/a Winnie

        Ronald, careful what you say. What came out of your mouth is what I spew out when I have diahria. Go wipe your mouth and keep it shut. Stinky enough without you adding to the conservative stink.

        • Joe H.

          Winnie,
          The only thing you have to worry about is your obvious case of diarrhea of the mouth!!!!

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Blame it on Ronald. He needs to keep his mouth shut and the stink out. We are what we eat and we are what we say. I say that you the most understanding, tolerant person here in commentland.

          • coal miner

            Joeh(nick name Diarrhea of the mouth)

            If feces was money,your mouth would be Fort Knox.You got a bad habit insulting people that don’t agree with you.Winnie got a right to her opinions.

        • Joe H.

          Winnie,
          You say you are what you eat? Remember that the next5 time you say you are a democrat!!!

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Joe H. Without ever asking me, you have made me a democrat. I have been watching you Americans and can understand why you fail to listen and learn. Christianty has made you so damn right that only you and the republicans, who claim to be Christians, are the real americans. I will tell you again, look at your ancestors and name your brand correctly. If your ancestors were born in Europe, than you’re a Europeon. Democrates make more sense because they walk more the Jesus walk than any republican I know. And I will tell you that palin is not a christian.!!! The democrats at least visit the sick, feed the hungry, and treat the children as the most important citizen in their country. So if I had to choose, give me a democrat every time.

          • Joe H.

            Winnie,
            I see I guessed right!!!! I also see you didn’t address what my post said about you!!!

          • coal miner

            Joeh(diarrhea of the mouth)

            Winnie is right again,you just stuck your foot in that orifice you call a mouth.Winnie pay no attention to Joe.

      • Claire

        How crude and disgusting. Stop and think of what you have said–what you have said applies to all politicians, doesn’t it???

  • Billy

    I’m betting on a Huckaby and Palin team. A team that will work, A team that loves GOD and the people, ateam that you can trust.

    • RoBoTech

      I’m sorry Billy, that won’t happen.
      Huckleberry is TOO Moderate for the environment today.If we didn’t have a Socialist Liar in control, ehh, maybe, but not now. it’s hard line, near Libertarian that’s needed.
      Watch and see.

      • DaveH

        Speaking of Libertarians, John Stossel has a program on Fox Business News and he’s great. I hope more Americans tune in and learn.

    • michael

      Have’nt any of you morons heard about the separation of church and state. If so quit bringing god into politics. God does not care how you vote. Think about it the Religous right prayed for rain to disrupt obama’s speech at the national convention ended up the weather was great but thr repubs got a hurricane makes you wonder if god takes aside who side is he/she really on.

      • DaveH

        Yes, we Morons have heard about “separation of church and state”, but only from you Liberal nit-wits (a nit is a louse egg). That phrase exists nowhere in the Constitution. Read the First Amendment for yourself:
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/amendments_en.html

        I am amazed that you, who profess to dislike religious people for forcing their way on you, have no problems at all trying to force your way on the religious people.

        I am atheist, but I would take religious people over you controlling thieving Liberals any day of the week. At least the religious are making an effort to learn how not to disrespect their fellow human beings.

      • El Chichon’

        Michael,
        Taking part in your nation is called being a “PATRIOT”. As Christians, it is our duty. As American’s it is our duty. It is in the Bible, look it up. Then maybe next time you will be a little more hesitant before thumping the Bible at someone. You should be glad that there is a seperation of church and state, otherwise the government would be telling us how we are to worship and who we are to worship. Your hero, “Obama”, would like to have the Christian’s taken out and I don’t mean to dinner. He is a muzzlum. Our enemy in case you haven’t realized it by now. So lets pray for our enemy like Jesus said to. Maybe that will be some change that Obama can believe in.

  • MarkInOhio
    • MarkInOhio
    • DaveH

      Unbelievable. From the website provided by Mark:
      ““Conservatives,” or those who call themselves this nowadays, have an equally good and much longer record of faulty analysis and wrong prediction.”

      This is so funny coming from a group that embraces the failed fiscal policies of Karl Marx. Socialism has failed miserably everywhere that it has been implemented. It only succeeds in the Hopes and Dreams of ignorant Liberals. Socialism fails for good reasons. When money is taken from the people who earned it (slavery) and given to the people that didn’t earn it, only a moron can think the former are going to continue to work hard and the latter will start to work harder. The net result of Socialism is less production. The political class is happy of course, but the ordinary citizens neccessarily suffer.

      Economic Freedom is the only answer to our problems. Big Government is the problem, not the solution.
      http://www.heritage.org/index/

      Vote Libertarian. Reduce Big Government to the size intended by our forefathers.

      • Curtis S

        You don’t know the difference between socialism and communism. It’s communism that doesn’t work, most of the countries on the link you provided are considered socialist countries. You provided the information that disproves your argument.
        Top income tax rate in Australia is 45%, in Ireland it’s 42%, New Zealand 39% and Denmark’s top income tax rate is a whopping 59%. That sounds like a lot of socialism going on in the #3, #4, #5 and #8 ranked countries on your link.

        • DaveH

          Do you? Socialism is when the Government controls all the means of production. Communism is when the Government owns everything.
          Quoting top marginal Income Tax brackets is meaningless. It is much more complex than that. Every country has it’s own heritage and environmental characteristics that make any superficial analysis very difficult. The only way to really make good analysis is to know the before and after conditions in those countries that have tried both the heavily regulated approach and the unregulated approach.
          Such as occurred in Hong Kong, and in Chile, and in New Zealand.
          I give you credit though Curtis for actually looking at the link.

          • coal miner

            Dave,

            There is no such thing as communism,that is the last stage of socialism.Communism is a Utopian dream of Karl Marx.He envisioned a worker’s paradise.All governments and states would wither away and become a classless society.Lenin had a conversation with Marx’s son in law, once brag that he understood Marx.And Marx’s son in law shot back ,said no one understood Marx.Marx didn’t understood Marx.Marx was a dreamer and nothing more.

          • DaveH

            From Wikipedia:

            “Communist regimes have historically been authoritarian, repressive, and coercive governments concerned primarily with preserving their own power”.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

          • Curtis S

            FROM http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-socialism-and-communism.htm
            “One point that is frequently raised to distinguish socialism from communism is that socialism generally refers to an economic system, while communism generally refers to both an economic and a political system. As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively, and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Both socialism and communism are similar in that they seek to prevent the ill effects that are sometimes produced by capitalism.

            Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly, and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. Socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to the amount of individuals’ production efforts, however, while communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals’ needs.

            Another difference between socialism and communism is that communists assert that both capitalism and private ownership of the means of production must be done away with as soon as possible in order to make sure a classless society, the communist ideal, is formed. Socialists, however, see capitalism as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist in a capitalist society. In fact, one of the ideas of socialism is that everyone within the society will benefit from capitalism as much as possible as long as the capitalism is controlled somehow by a centralized planning system.”

            There’s a very distinct difference, and socialism and communism are not the same and cannot be used “interchangeably”. (I’m not sure if that last word is even a real word?)
            Oh and thanks for the props Dave, I always read your links.

        • El Chichon’

          Curtis S,
          Communism and Socialism are about the same. There is not two cents difference between the two. Hence the name, “Union of Soviet (Socialist) Republic”, (USSR). Remember, or are you too young to have known what the freedom loving people of this world were once up against??? I will not forget what we went through. They said they would take this country without firing a shot and I think they are actually doing it by brain washing our children and college students which will eventually effect us, or I should say infect us. Al Gore is a communist and look what he has done with the poison that he has written. Now global warming is being hammered into all of our school children and college students just like evolution has been and neither is the truth. Evolution was used to dilute the belief in God just as global warming is now being used as a political tool for leverage into government in order to gain control over all the people. Evolution is only theory and that is all it will ever be. Global warming is just a plain lie, an elaborate hoax to control you and squeeze every penny out of you that they possibly can. You can think I am full of crap all you want, but at least I know the truth and knowing the truth merely comes from just plain ole common horse sense. Nobody has to hit me in the face with a wet mop to make me see what is going on, but I think there is a whole bunch of people out there in need of a slap upside the ugly knot with a wet mop.

          • Joe H.

            El Chichon’,
            Ignore Curtis as he is a drive by that wants this country to be another Germany as he misses it and doesn’t have the price of a ticket home!!!

          • usmadgirl

            El Chichon’

            You hit the nail on the progressive head! It doesn’t take a brain surgeon or rocket scientist to see what’s happening – pure & simply common sense, but common sense has “left the building” in “liberal la la land”! Is it just me or have you noticed how much nonsense spews out of the liberal mouths with absolutely no facts to back up their Socialist vomit?

          • Curtis S

            Yeah I also remember the German Democratic Republic, which was neither Democratic or a Republic. So your point is moot, it’s overly simple and means nothing in regards to this discussion.

        • denniso

          Well said Curtis…these uneducated won’t listen though.

          • Curtis S

            yeah, but if I put it in their bibles they’d suddenly think it was the “gospel truth”.

  • Nadine

    I can’t understand why Obama will not produce his Birth Certificate. We all have to show ours at some time in our life for a job or what ever. I would like to see a Hucck & Palin ticket. I grew up in the depresion ere and I have never seen the country so un-American in Washington as it is now. Bring back Trust in God and prayer in school and salute the flag. Love our Country and leave the others alone and we will come thru all this.

    • DaveH

      Liberals can’t even be expected to be honest or to keep their hands off of other peoples’ money. How could we possibly expect them to be transparent?

    • Joe H.

      Nadine,
      Actually it’s very easy to understand. If he shows that and his college records he is in deep crap!!! If his cert says he isn’t a citizen then he’s not eligible to be POTUS. If it shows he is and he applied for foreign student federal grants, as I suspect it does then he applied for them fraudulently and that is a federal crime and again he is not eligible to be POTUS!!!!!!!

  • Ross Odom

    I believe it is amazing how the Liberals forget their greatest president (Kennedy) and his most famous words,”Ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you”. I suggest that the liberal theme in todays world is all about “what can I get “from” this country for me and my liberal friends and how can I avoid paying my own way in life. I admire Kennedy for the very fact that he walked the walk and talked the talk and I think the current resident at the White House is an “insult” to everything Kennedy stood for. I am a conserative and I don’t know of anyone I would support in the Republican party. However, Palin is not a republican, she is a true conserative and the Liberals & Republicans hate her because they might have to find a real job if she were to gain the White House. I believe I could support a Palin/Huckabee ticket. Huckabee needs to get more like Ronald Reagan in my opinion but, at least Huckabee & Palin don’t believe in killing defenseless children. Personally I fear for my freedoms and the future freedom of my children and grandchildren. I fear the day that the Liberals are able to make this country into another China or Cuba and I fear what people like Obama will do to this country if “we the people ” don’t stand up and decide “we have had enough.” I personally believe that the Obama’s and the Clintons represent everything that is bad for freedom. I often wonder what it would be like if George Patton were here and if President Lincoln could see what is going on. I think they are both rolling over in their graves. I am a senior citizen and a veteran and for the first time in my life “I do not have a President” and it makes me sick to see what I believe is the intentional destruction of the freedoms I have had all my life. I believe I can speak for a lot of real Americans that are afraid of what is happening. I pray that November 2010 is a “landslide” for “conseratives” not republicans or Liberals. I believe Republicans are to concerned about being “liked by liberals” and not concerned about this country. I pray that God will turn this country around in 2010.

    Ross Odom

    • DaveH

      Huckabee talks a good show, but he is just a typical Politician. He does not have what it takes to cut back the size of this Leviathan Government.
      If we want to get our country back, we need to start voting only for tough candidates that will do the hard task of laying off government workers and agencies that are negatively productive – that is, they not only don’t produce anything but they actually hamper the production of others. The only Republican I know with that strength is Ron Paul, but he is actually more of a Libertarian. We need to grow the numbers of the Libertarian Party so the MSM can no longer ignore their message. Foxnews and Fox Business News is helping a lot in that direction. The Democrats have gone over to the Dark Side and the Republicans have lost their way. We need to replace them with the only party that truly understands Individual Freedom, Individual Responsibility, and Limited Government.
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • Bill Morris

      I totally agree. I hope I live long enough to see Palin and Huckabee in the White House. I predict you will see a massive exodus of politicans when they(Palin and Huck) appear on the scene in 2012. Sort of like cockroaches do when the light gets turned on!

  • Faith in Ohio

    If Obama is American why has he spent over a million to keep his documents from going public? His actions, non actions alone speak volumes. He and those he has surrounded himself with as well as many elected officials on both sides are anti-American, anti-christian, anti-military, anti-capitalism who have been destroying America for decades. As for Acorn I challenge you to look into their history as well as the background of the Czars.I was appalled when I started doing research and actually heard what came out of their own mouths as well as the content of President and Mrs. Obama’s speeches. So you ask where I and many others were the last eight years? We have been working, taking care of our families and giving the benefit of the doubt to those that took an oath to represent us. I ask where have many been the last hundred years! We WERE the sleeping giants! Health care, Cap and Trade, Amnesty for Illegals, the so called Stimulus packages etc. are in no way for the good of the people but designed to destroy America. Its all about controlling every aspect of our lives. It’s about shifting the wealth to many who refuse to take resposibility for their own actions. It’s about shifting the wealth to other nations and forcing us into a one world economy. All while the Gore’s, Soro’s, Kennedy’s, Pelosi’s etc.. keep their wealth while all of us continue to have ours taken along with our freedom. TILL NOW! Make no mistake we are not going to allow this to continue! Today’s conservatives, many independants and democrats have recaptured the spirit of America. We know exactly what is happening. The citzens of this country are waking up and understand what is at stake here. Its not about republican, democrat or independent. Its about us as Americans. For far to long we have allowed the anti-americans among us to divided us by race, religion, wealth, politics etc. ENOUGH! For those that desire a communist country then go to one. WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO CHANGE AMERICA INTO ONE!. AT THIS CRITICAL MOMENT WE MUST UNITE! While we are living in challenging times. My fellow Americans do not give up on the real hope and change that is coming.I am excited to see the passion for this country as I participate in many events. Thank you Mr. Obama for igniting the internal flame within so many of us. This time it will be passed on thru generations! Make no mistake WE The People are not going to allow this crisis to go to waste!!! WE are not going to turn our backs on America as you and others have done. WE are making a huge difference and I thank God daily for those that are coming forward to keep America free. God Bless America and a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All!!

    • JC

      Because he is a liar and a low life. A bought and paid for mouth piece for the globalists. I wouldn’t let that scum shine my shoes.

      • Dave Miedema

        Shine shoes? Heck, cleaning toilets is too good for that Socialist scumbucket!

        • JC

          Don’t hold back Dave! What are you trying to say? ;)

          • Garret

            Hey JC!
            This no-nothing,empty suit is a RACIST along with his piranha
            faced wife!!They are muslims,islamists–whatever.They have hurt
            any race progress this country has made!

          • JC

            I take it that you mean Obama and his darling vampire Michelle?
            I think we were a whole lot “more” tolerant of all others “before” they started shoving it down our throats. But it just goes to show…anything government does towards social engineering is a complete disaster that only divides us further. And it works very well for them – “Divide and Conquer” has worked for centuries now.

          • DaveH

            And Government will continue to divide us as it Grows larger. Everybody has their own unique likes and dislikes. One size does not fit all. If we ever want to achieve peace in our society (as much as possible) we need to shrink Big Government dramatically.
            One of our biggest problems is the Public School system. We need to replace that Propaganda Machine with the Voucher System so people can send their kids to the school of their choice. Hopefully one that isn’t aiding and abetting out of control government growth. Then the non-believers can send their kids to non-religious schools, and the believers can send their kids to religious schools, etc.
            Most importantly, the schools that actually educated the children would be the ones that succeeded in the market place. The other schools would deservedly fail.
            There are many other instances where the elected officials impose their way on an unwilling populace. This is unnecessary. Only the citizens themselves know what makes them happiest, and the Government should not be involved in that decision.
            The Government’s main purpose should be to protect the citizens from the force of others. Instead the Government people have become the ‘forcers’. Who protects us from their force?
            Vote Libertarian.

          • denniso

            DaveH…you have no problem w/ the language above from your buddies??

          • DaveH

            If I had my way, every comment on this board would be civil. That is, no name-calling, ridicule, or condescension. But then, If I had my way the citizens of this country would vote for the principled freedom offered by the Libertarian Party.

          • denniso

            DaveH…someone here threatens Obama and I respond w/a word like idiot. You condemn me for that and ignore the demonizing and hatemongering and threats of violence. I would respect your point of view if you didn’t ally yourself w/ those spewing hate and threats and actually called them on it.

          • Joe H.

            JC,
            You know, it’s funny you should mention his wife. I was watching a special the other day on HGTV about Katrina and there was Bushes wife handing out clothes to the needy and actually shook hands with a few and hugged a couple. Then came an advertisement on Iron Chef and guess who is going to guest appear on it? You guessed it Michelle O-man!!! Boy! She sure cares for the little people doesn’t she???

    • MarkInOhio

      Faith, can you provide a citation (i.e. a link) to an authoritative source substantiating your statement that Obama has “spent over a million to keep his documents from going public”?

      I have seen this same basic statement but with different dollar amounts from mumerous conservative posters over the last year. I’ve seen $100K, $500K, $1M, your number of “over a million”, and also “millions”. That’s a pretty wide variation. Which is it? And why do none of these claims (including yours) come with any form of proof? Am I supposed to believe it just because you say so? And why is your number so much higher than anyone else’s?

      I must say, this certainly is a one-sided website, but at least unlike at Free Republic, I am apparently allowed to post here!

      A final comment: it’s been said before, but writing out your opinion in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS (as a few have done in this thread) does not enhance its credibility, especially since there are invariably spelling and grammar errors throughout the text. Why do conservatives do this? You never see the all-caps syndrome on a liberal board. Just wondering!

      • DaveH

        Who cares, Mark, how much Obama has spent? The facts are that he has not provided the transparency that he touted in his campaign speeches. I don’t blame all the current events on Obama, as he couldn’t get off first base without the Democratic Congress.
        But he also railed against ear-marks in his campaign speeches and yet does nothing about the rampant abuse of ear-marks, especially those that are meant solely to buy votes from reluctant blue-dog Democrats.
        In fact the only campaign promise that I know he has kept is the promise to “fundamentally transform the United States”.

        • Alan Clark

          If you go back and read all of Mark’s posts you begin to see how narrow minded he is. Just thought I’d throw that in….Mark

      • Faith in Ohio

        Mark YOU provide proof that he has not spent at least a million to cover up all of his important documents! It is you and others like you who are selling the soul of MY great country. On second thought maybe we should divide ourselves. Those that want to give away what is rightfully yours to people who continue to take and take or those of us who choose to help our fellow man learn how to fish so that he can provide for himself. You have the rich in our country who provide employment for those that want to work and be self sufficient and on the other hand you have the Obamas, Gores, Clintons, Barney Frank, Pelosi, Kennedy’s, Boxers etc. I could go on and on, who have spent almost their entire careers if not all living off OUR HARD EARNED MONEY AND using it in return to destroy US. And yes they’re are republicans who are at fault as well. That is why so many millions of Americans are fed up with the whole system and WE WILL CHANGE IT. (Go to GOOOH.com) Lets not forget the Hollywood gang including Oprah and Martha Stewart who if they all pooled their money together they could afford to help the 15-20 million without health care. (This is the figure minus the 15 mill. or so who are here illegally and the 15 mill. or so who choose to not have insurance or spend their money on drugs, beer, cigarretes, getting their nails and hair done etc. What gives any one the right to take from my hard earned money and give to many of those who CHOOSE to make the wrong choices? As conservatives we do not mind helping those who are truly in need. Are you such a fool to not see how large government and these programs only paralyze us? Its all about control! Who do you think pays for all of this? We must get back to the Constitution, change the corrupt school system and go to vouchers, a Fair Tax, cut the size of government drastically, term limits, holding politicians accountable when they LIE and this is just a star! And by the way for those of you who want to play the race card like so many of our politicians its time to STOP. It is a big business for these politicians and those like Jesse Jackson and Jeremiah Wright. IT IS TIME WE ALL UNITE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF AMERICA. WE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO IT WITH OR WITHOUT YOU. GOD BLESS AMERICA !! AND THE TRUE SERVANTS!!

        • Joe H.

          Faith in Ohio,
          I’m from Ohio also and I just wish Mark would provide a site to prove he has a brain!!!! He’s a pox on Ohio, I do know that!!! One of the best republican answers to the health bill came from Congressman Latourette (R), Co-sponsored by Mary Kaptur (D) both from Ohio. The only problem for the libbies was it put them on the same type of health care as us!!! That won’t do at all!!! They are too good to be put alongside us lowly voters!!!!

      • jim/illinois

        Why not just believe it you fool marky its your nature when it comes from your messiah the OBAMANATION you have no problem believing any crap they decide to feed you. you say this is a one sided site, have you ever taken your head out of your a-hole long enough to take a gander at the state run media abc nbc msn cnn lsd and so on, oh sorry i think i made a mistake on the last one i think that is what you are on!

      • denniso

        Mark…It’s all lies. A trick they’ve learned from their teacher Limbaugh…throw out any and all rumours and lies to distort and smear. Best thing is to ignore the idiocy and attack them on philosophy of their wacko beliefs.

        • DaveH

          Oh sure Dumniso, like you do. You are so funny. I thought I left your kind of logic when I grew out of my teen years.

        • Joe H.

          denniso,
          look up HR 956 and then come back and tell me it’s a lie!!!!

          • Joe H.

            denniso,
            going to tell me I lied about HR 956????

    • usmadgirl

      Faith in Ohio,

      Just wanted to say that I’ve been busy & just now read your comment. I had replied to a comment earlier today to some goofy liberal who said “Sarah Palin was an idiot”. My reply was that the only reason they could think she was an idiot was if they were in fact, anti-Christian, anti-common sense, anti-intelligent, anti-constitutional & anti-American. I didn’t want you to think I had “copied” off your comment when I hadn’t even read it. I simply wanted to say that “great minds must think alike”!

      • Faith in Ohio

        No problem! Yes great minds do think alike and there are millions of us out here! I may not have a college education like many of these idiots who have been RUINING our country for decades but I will take my common sense any day. Regardless if we are democrat,CONSERVATIVE, or independent we must realize the severity of problems America has. Most of which has been because of government interfering in our lives. A GOVERNMENT BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE! We are most certainly in a crisis and there are millions of us who are not going to allow this crisis to go to waste!!! And PLEASE let me remind you that we cannot vote for a third party. I am certain the left will come up with some way to encourage this and it will only split the votes. It is our responsibility to throw all of these sell outs out of office and bring real change to the system thru genuine conservatives and hold them accountable.(Go to GOOOH.COM) Remember they work for us, we don’t work for them!

        • usmadgirl

          Faith in Ohio,

          I agree with you about not splitting the conservatives with another party. I think that 95% of the Republicans have learned their lesson & straightened up their act. The other 5% are RINOs anyway! As I said in another comment on this topic, my representatives are all very conservative. They vote with all my conservative views; so I KNOW how they’re gonna vote on the issues! Why would we “fire them” when there’s a good possibility that they could be replaced with a “Dede Scozzafava” or some other Dumb-o-crat “plant” in the Republican party?

          You certainly don’t have to have a college education to have common sense. As a matter of fact, most college students lose all their common sense & are indoctrinated by all the Liberal, Progressive Left-over Hippy professors! Luckily, I’m from a family of conservative Republican teachers, but I didn’t go to college until I was 30 & then just went to junior college for 2 years.

          My concern now (besides the so-called government controlled “health care”, the “climate change” lie, brought about the biggest embarrassment to my state, Al Gore, the atrocious spending, destruction of our economy & our dollar & government take-over of EVERYTHING & soon being forced into Obama’s world government agenda) is amnesty for illegals. I would pretty much bet that it will happen soon & probably in the middle of the night on a weekend like all the other unconstitutional bills that have been shoved down our throats while we sleep! If that happens, I honestly don’t think we’ll have a chance to regain control of anything in the 2010 election. I wonder at times if Obama, with his narcissistic arrogance & his total disregard for the constitution that he swore to uphold but thinks is a “flawed document” , won’t just name himself as our dictator & not even HAVE a 2010 election! Nothing surprises me with this administration! All we can do is pray for our country & for a miracle!

          • Joe H.

            USAMADGIRL,
            I too am very worried about splitting the vote and putting O-man back in for another 4!!! Later on if we want to start a new party and run it will be ok. We have to get him out of office first!!! I don’t like to hear any of our people talk of arm insurrection and I respect our troops to ever put them through that!!! Do you realize your kids and other little people relatives could be killed? I of little use as a producer now at almost 60 but they are our future and that of our nation!! Home school them to the conservative ways! If you want this great nation to prevail you must!!! They can put down any answer on the test they want to pass but school them!!! The schools are telling them how “adventurous” the 60s were! God Forbid!!!

  • Ricardo09

    What is so amazing is that those who dislike Palin… like to point out her lack of experience… which by the way is so much more than Obama; then they make fun of her comments… but defend people like Al Gore who believe that that the earths core just two kilometers deep is several millions of degrees… or tolerate Obama’s defense of the Harvard Professor when he called the local police stupid but admitted he didn’t know the facts…. So if you don’t like Palin… fine. Keep drinking the socialist kool-aide… and suffer the consequences…. Like the government tracking your whereabouts via your cell phone (thank you sprint); or determining your health care remedies when you are ill… and denying your doctor the tools he needs…

    YOu like to point out Palin’s gaffs like her comment in jest (“I can see Russia from my house”; yet you ignore Obama’s stupid comments like yesterday (“From the discussions we had, it’s clear that we are on the precipice of an achievement that’s eluded Congresses and presidents for generations — an achievement that will touch the lives of nearly every American” – that would be the passage of a health-care overhaul offering health insurance to tens of millions of uninsured Americans.”) or all you liberals… the word “precipice” is defined as:
    “1: a very steep or overhanging place; 2: a hazardous situation; broadly : brink” as in the brink of disaster. Or the hanging of a christmas bulb on the White House Christmas Tree with Chairman Mao’s picture… In general this guy is disgusting…

    With Palin… what you see is what you get… and with Obama we have a sH_t load of hidden agendas and malfeasant, republic destroying acts.

    • Stephen

      Ricardo, well put! An even greater irony is that B.O. has told us time and again exactly what he would do as President. In one interview he stated that he would tell us how to live our lives. That would explain why he’s so interested in passing goverment run healthcare. The discussion about what the bill contains it pointless. The bill IS a “goverment option”. The whole premise goes against the constitution. The goverment cannot dictate that we buy any product or service. He has also told us on many occasions his opinion of our constitution, that it is a flawed document with many problems. The only significant flaw and problem we have is not contained in any of our cherished documents, but rather sits in the White House in the oval office. Hope and change? Yeah, right! America’s hope and change shouldn’t mean its destruction.

  • Oldanalyst

    Ah yes! The fake Kenya birth certificate surfaces again. Along with it comes the statement that Obama is a Muslim and does not believe in Christian ideals. Analyze Obama’s speeches and you will find his reference to God and the Bible to be more extensive than his predecessor.

    Then we have Acorn. How any one organization could have had so much influence over so many political races is hard to imagine unless you are a conspiracy theory person. So many of the responses to this news story have come from the conspiratorial wing of conservatives. This would be the branch of the party that rejects logic and evidence. They are driven by the philosophy that they will not be swayed by evidence since they know what the truth is.

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of conservatives who would fit into this group. You have polarized the political climate making it very unfriendly for conservatives who truly want to discuss issues. It is time for true conservatives to line up against the uncompromising, conspiratorial,far-right-wingers with palinesque beliefs. Conservatism as preached by these people does not represent a productive approach to our future.

    • Earlw

      OK You started it! Just WHAT is your definition of a “productive future”?

      • Oldanalyst

        Suggestion – read carefully. There is a significant difference between a “productive approach to our future” and your “productive future”. You seem to assume we know what a productive future is and I ask for us to get together to determine what a productive future is.

    • JC

      Hey too oldanalyst…you’ve lost touch haven’t you? Things are moving real fast out there and we conservatives are very much alarmed by the communist agenda here in the USA. As for making friends in the Liberal world…why bother? For the most part they would appear to be extremely stupid if not clinically insane.
      No sir, its a time for action, the time for debate disappeared into a completely corrupt void some time ago.

      • Joe H.

        JC,
        Don’t knock age!!! My Father was a repub all his life. he wasn’t rich money wise, but he was rich in life experience!!! I’m 59 and I’ve been a repub all my voting life. I will be a lot more picky in who I vote for now though, they will have to be conservative!!!!! Bush was the last RINO I will ever vote for unless it means that O-man will get in again!!!! I would vote for Carter before I would vote for him!!!

        • JC

          Point taken Joe. I guess old doesn’t mean blind. I’m not all that far behind you.

    • trinket59

      Research Black Liberation Theology – that is the belief system preached in the church that Obama attended for 20 years. While Obama makes some of the correct noises, BLT is a marxist bastardization of Christianity.

    • Ken Kirkham

      Perhaps you should listen when Obama says he is a muslim. That may have been the only time he actually told the truth.

    • DaveH

      “Then we have Acorn. How any one organization could have had so much influence over so many political races is hard to imagine unless you are a conspiracy theory person.”
      I can’t imagine where anybody would get the idea that ACORN is corrupt:
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116251922202112150.html

      Or maybe it is the fact that 2 young adults captured them on tape in many offices around the country advising them how to commit crimes and cheat the taxing authorities.

      • DaveH
      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        If people are afraid of ACORN, just protest that you want to vote for O-man, then vote for who you wish when you get in there!!! Cut down some mighty Oaks!!!!! make kindling! If we get a true conservative in they won’t be funded for long anyways or if they are the conservative president will insure that we have protection at the polls from then on!!!

  • 1american

    PALIN WILL BE VP IN 2012 AND PRESIDENT IN 2020……… : )

  • Ricardo09

    Hey Markin: Please explain Obama’s indonesian school attendance which required Indonesian citizenship… and they did not allow dual citizenship. There is no record for his regaining his citizenship…..

    Or deal with the “natural born” citizen issue which requires that BOTH parents are citizens and his father was not…

    Yes, I concede he was probably born in Hawaii making him a US citizen….. EXCEPT that his father was a British Subject, and British Law at the time required the children of British Subjects to be British citizens…… Could this be why we do not get to see his birth certificate… rather a document that only certifies his birth in Hawaii.. WHICH does not list his
    citizenship….

    Please explain and then SHOW ME THE PROOF!

    • Norm

      In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution, if that person is:

      1.Born in the United States
      2. Has parents that are subjects of a foreign power, but not in any diplomatic or official capacity of that foreign power
      3. Has parents that have permanent domicile and residence in the United States
      4. Has parents that are in the United States for business

      • Ricardo09

        Norm, the father falls under British law at the time… and there is a difference between a “Natural” born citizen and a U.S. Citizen… That is why the Founders in the constitution made the allowance for Citizens at the time of writing the constitution and for future presidents that must be “natural born” citizens… NOt only that, if he gave up his citizenship, which is apparently the case to attend the muslim school in Indonesia, he “lost” his citizenship…. and there is no evidence that it was regained… As I stated he was probably born in Hawaii, but in each of the other conditions stated by you are not relevant. His father was here as a student.

        By the founders of the constitution definitions, Obama is not “natural born”; If by law of the british at the time to which is father was subject, he would have been listed as British citizen at birth…. and we have NOT seen his birth certificate… only notification of live birth…. TWo different documents….. And if he was enrolled in school in Indonesia which he so states in his writings he would have been required to “give up” other citizenships and would then have to be naturalized in the us to become a US citizen…. and there is no evidence to that….

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Ron Black

    Ron says–James, why don’t you send a couple of Obamas birth certificate to all the talk shows, so all the people of America can see the truth.

  • Norm

    Palin and the extremist Republican neocons are the best friends the Democrats have. There is no way in the hell that the far right or the far left will ever gain any significant power in this country. Thank God.
    Palin is a simple minded naysayer who looked like a fool in her vice presidential bid. Just because she is anti everything doesn’t make her anything more than a naive country bumpkin.
    This country is politically very close to the center. Even Bush and Obama aren’t that far apart on most issues. Weren’t medicare part D (drugs), TARP, and liberal immigration policies Bush inovations?

    • Robert

      Norm, your comment,”This country is politically very close to the center”. Your right, only thing is it’s very close to the center of the toilet bowl.

    • Ricardo09

      I find your characterization of Pain interesting but not accurate… yet you refuse to address the gaffs of the moron in office or his vice president or those of
      Al Gore… lets be specific… want to compare statements of all four? … Obama has committed perjury, has violated his oath of office (As did Bush); As a senator and still under oath made comments he has not kept which is a violation of his Senatorial Oath… has given aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States. And if you need specifics, can provide… His record speaks for itself.

      • m.s.

        Richardo-I agree…and further, I have NO doubt whatsoever that Palin knows how many States are in this Union, or what language(s) are spoken in Austria. Lame stream media will not relent, however, they have too much political capital invested in Obama and their attacks on Palin during the campaign. I just wonder if the producers at PMSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS read “Rules for Radicals” at some point in their careers.

    • m.s.

      Norm-in case you missed this link, please read one of the best articles written on Palin anywhere…written by one of the “intellectual elites” that the left apparently so adores…

      http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson112009.html

    • El Chichon’

      Norm,
      And I suppose all you city people are so much more mentally superior to the country people. You liberal city people are the naive idiots. You can’t understand why there is such a rift between people in this country. It is because of good intelligent people who are being sterotyped by idiots like you. People like you make me sick, I don’t care if you are liberal communist or a conservative. As long as this country remains divided, it will be in constant danger of collapse because of your kind. We MUST learn to pull together as a nation or otherwise suffer the consequences.

  • Ron Wilson

    Yea it’s a shame if I need A Driver Licience or join the Military I need to prove who I am. We are in for the ride of our lives

  • John Hasse

    With all the media behind her, she makes good progress. Like Will Rogers said, “All I know is what I read in the papers”. Or as Twain said “We have the fools on our side,and that is a big enough majority in any town.”

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      Hey John: Who said there is one born every minute?

      • Joe H.

        Dee D,
        And you’re proof of it!!!

  • BryceMyron

    Even a president who believes in individualism won’t be able to move government and society back to the constitution, government by the people and freedom and liberty for all resulting therefrom because of the increasing numbers of people in all facets of society and government who believe in collectivism UNLESS s/he has a massive support base of freedom-loving Americans who will wake up, stop watching stupid television and become aware of what’s happening in this country and then provide their money, time, communication skills, and whatever it takes to bring forward the great, revolutionary concepts with which the formers of this country started off.

  • http://aol mickey

    Yes Virginia there is a Santa Clause and Liberism is a mental disorder!

  • Mississippi

    “Poll Finds Palin Popularity Growing”
    Same as Tea Party. There must be a reason.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/poll-finds-palin-popularity-growing-19504750/ Philbert

    A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared…….Cicero, 42 B.C. ——SOUND LIKE ANYONE WE KNOW?

  • http://www.ted.com/talks/karen_armstrong_makes_her_ted_prize_wish_the_charter_for_compassion.html Laura Schlegel

    Our political system has been corrupted by the corporatocracy and their person-hood rights. We need campaign finance reform, an education system that doesn’t airbrush history and teaches civics and active involvement w/critical thinking skills for sound debate. We need to educate those that are blurry on the vital importance of separation of church and state. We need equal access to media that isn’t corporate controlled to undo the complacency and dumbing down of America. We need to support small businesses, publicly funded media & elections, made in the USA jobs, services, manufacturing. We need the tax loop holed/capped/off shored profiteers to pay their fair share of taxes and stop blindly supporting them with our dollars and votes. We need transparency and to vote where these taxes are going. We need to support those that are trying to undo the corporate tentacles controlling our mass media, financial industry, war industry, factory farms, water supply, health care, text book industry,exploiting our minds, workers, animals, health, environment and government all for the love of gouging profiteering and power to the few, destroying the middle class and upward mobility for all. We need to understand that we must support a sound humane social infrastructure to give rise to free markets with a moral backbone that yield real sustainable profits for People & Planet. We need checks and balance… it’s a law of physics on earth as it is in heaven.

    • Markus

      Laura: That was one of the most profound and direct posts I have ever read. It really is simple when you look at it. The beauty of Conservativism, real Conservativism, is that it is just in your gut. Doing what is right, living by your conscience, it isn’t that tough. The problem is that the One World Elites have sooo much money and the politicians have sold their souls to them. It is a tough uphill climb, but we must get as angry, engaged, and sophisticated as they are and take our country back. Good Job, agree with everything you just said….

      • m.s.

        William F. Buckley once said…”I’d rather live in a society governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory than in one governed by the 2,000 members of the Harvard faculty.” I couldn’t agree more…Barney Frank, Franklin Raines, Barack Obama, Larry Summers, Henry Paulson and Robert Rubin are just a few examples of why Buckley was so accurate.

    • Joe H.

      Laura,
      There is one other thing we need that scares the hell out of the libbers!!! Line item VETO POWER!!!!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Ron

    Ron says–It is a shame that our brave men and women have died in wars past to help preserve America’s Freedom, only to have our present day politians pass bills the American people don’t want, and the media so blind to the truth. We live in the greatest Nation in the world, but it seems everyone in out government and the media wants us to be living like a 3rd, world country.

  • http://none Ken Sabic

    MarkinOhio

    Obama is without question a marxist/socialist, as are all of the comrades he dragged with him from Cook county Chicago to the White House. Apparently MarkinOhio lives on the planet of Karl Marx. MarkinOhio is a prime example of what is wrong with this country. Aparently the public schools in Ohio have done the bidding of the NEA and dumbed down a large portion of the people in Ohio with propaganda.

    Ken Sabic

    • Markus

      There is a great reference in the Bible that epitomizes where we are and that the “end” is near. “In the end there will be a Great Apostacy, or falling away, where right is wrong and wrong is right”. Don’t you see that there is a direct correlation between liberalism running amuck and the deterioration of the country??? Liberals don’t believe in a single truth, which opens everything up to relativism, which means chaos. The sole problem with liberals is that they don’t want to be judged, so if they don’t believe in “truth” then they don’t have to judge themselves or have a conscience about what they are doing is wrong. When this all ends they are going to be sooooo sorry, but it will be too late for them. May God Bless the U.S.A. on CHRISTMAS DAY!!!

    • MarkInOhio

      Ken, could you please give me some examples of Obama’s supposed Marxist/socialist behavior? I never know what you people mean by this, and maybe this time I can find out. Thanks!

      • Joe H.

        MarkinOhio,
        just off the top of my head? How about the fact that he is trying to force the health care bill on us when 68% of the population doesn’t want it!!! And as far as his Muslim leanings, how about the statement he made that if things go bad he will come down on the side of the Muslims? If that doesn’t say it, you are blind!!!

  • Bob

    MarkinOhio,
    A good dose of Fox News Channel, Rush Limbaugh (99.5% approval rating from a reputable watch dog group), Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, Mark Levin, Neil Boortz, Michael Reagan, Laura Ingraham, Michel Malkin, and others might wise you up. You probably got your poll numbers from major news networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, etc.,) who are extremely biased and “in the tank” with liberal left wing political viewpoints. Go Sarah!

    • MarkInOhio

      I’m sorry Bob, but every one of the people you name are absolutely horrifying to me. A real rogue’s gallery, from my point of view!

      Is there anyone not on Fox News and not on conservative talk radio that you can refer me to for ideas that you would agree with? (Perhaps a print journalist?) I can listen to Sean Hannity for about as long as you can listen to Rachel Maddow: I’ve never made it past 3 minutes without being so annoyed I turned him off. Sadly, it’s the same for me with the other luminaries you mentioned.

      Perhaps there is someone less incendiary that still meets with your approval? Trust me, I would love nothing more than to understand what makes you folks “tick”. But if Hannity, Malkin, Beck, etc. are the only ones who can tell me, it’s going to be a long uphill slog for me.

      Thanks!

      • jim/illinois

        This article appeared in the Russian PRAVADA. If only the American sheeple would read and heed.

        Maybe this will help marky boy

        American capitalism gone with a whimper

        It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

        True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

        Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

        First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their “right” to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our “democracy”. Pride blind the foolish.

        Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different “branches and denominations” were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the “winning” side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the “winning” side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

        The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America’s short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

        These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

        These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

        Then came Barack Obama’s command that GM’s (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of “pure” free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

        So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a “bold” move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK’s Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our “wise” Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

        Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper…but a “freeman” whimper.

        So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set “fair” maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

        The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

        The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

        Stanislav Mishin

        Have a good Day, Chuck

        « Conservative in Exile «

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      • Joe H.

        MarkINOHIO,
        Try listening to BBC as they are telling it just like FOX. Now why is that? What sum do they have in our news??? Maybe a leaning towards the truth?

      • Claire

        MarkinOhio–I agree with you concerning these “people” you mentioned. I never listen to any of them. I do not allow people like this to determine who I will vote for. Talk about sheeple. I cannot understand why people listen to these radicals. Can’t people make up their own minds about what is right and what is wrong? Why let radicals control the minds of a so-called freedom-loving people? These radicals are out for one thing–to create dissent, and turmoil.

  • JC

    I can’t see why Palin wouldn’t be good for America. She’s down to earth, a mother, a sports fan, believes in the Constitution and she owns an M-16. In other words, just on the surface alone she represents a great many things “American”. As opposed to say, being an apologist form a foreign country who has no right to be the President.
    At least she isn’t (so far) indoctrinated into the coroprate old boy system.
    And if we can have minds open enough to (stupidly) elect a foreigner from a minority group with communist views and un American values, why not a woman who holds American values dear?

  • http://www.ted.com/talks/karen_armstrong_makes_her_ted_prize_wish_the_charter_for_compassion.html Laura Schlegel

    Maybe it would help if we all try harder to drop the right wing/liberal supremacy minded, ill willed, low info, gutter talk; express our passions supported by soundly debated points, to continually work together for humane solutions and ongoing improvements, to our problems. Isn’t this the learning curve/process we, as a species given the conscious choice to be responsible and to keep evolving (or not), should all be at least striving for?

    • JC

      That would be great! But the communists are a single minded lot and dialogue is wasted on them. Our forefathers seemed to have that one figured out. To them dialogue meant a well oiled carbine.

  • http://www.nosmog.com Robert Sewell Sr

    ALLOW SARAH PALIN IN HER NAME IN BALLOTS !!. YOU CAN CHOOSE ANYONE YOU WANT AND PUT THEIR NAMES ON BALLOTS NOW , DON’T WAIT ! ALLOW ALL OF AMERICAN CHOOSE WHOM THEY WANT TO BE PRESIDENT !. BUT NO MORE DEMOCRATS OR LIBERAL DEMOCRATS, NO MORE ETC ETC ETC ETC , PERIOD !!!. NO MORE PART OF REPUBLICANS BUT I SUGGEST NEW PARTY NAME IS “REPUBLIC” NOT REPUBLICANS > “REPUBLIC PARTY” ALSO YOU CAN NAME ANOTHER NEW PARTY IN BALLOTS AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO VOTE THEM SELVES. PLEASE PLEASE REMEMBER –IT IS VERY IMPORTANTS TO EVERY AMERICANS “DON’T INSULT TO EACH OTHERS ,WE ALL SAME AMERICANS CITIZENS , ALLOW IT BE NATURAL AND GRATEFUL !. THANK YOU .

    • JC

      Paper ballots only as well as watch dogs to count them.
      Electronic voting is a scam.

      • DaveH

        Actually JC, I believe Electronic ballots could be our greatest protection from fraud.
        We could set up two databases. One that would hold the voter’s information – name, address, etc. The second would have the actual votes cast by the voter whose ID (for privacy reasons) would be on the ballot stub (the ballots being randomly given out to the voters).
        This way the voter could access the Database and see that his vote is cast correctly. Also, anybody or any organization, could count the votes straight from the database to check the proclaimed results.
        And the first database could be checked to see if that voter actually exists and has voted only once.
        I really don’t think the Government would like this as it would once and for all stop the voter fraud and the controversy surrounding each election.

        • JC

          Hmm, could work. Definately something needs to change.

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          No program is hack proof!!! I don’t trust the electronic machines. I don’t care if it takes an extra day or two to figure the winner!!!

        • El Chichon’

          DaveH,
          No, we need to stay with the paper ballot. There is too much monkey business that can be done with computers these days. All someone would have to do is get access and change the numbers and no one would ever know if their votes were counted or not. There was suspicion that ACORN did stuff some of the ballot boxes though. Obama was and probably still is deeply involved with ACORN. The old ways are always the best and most honest ways.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Ron

    In reply to Markus, I’m glad you brought up the bible, because you are absolutly correct in your thoughts about liberals not wanting to be judged, so the truth means nothing to them. I believe the reason we are having so many problems in our school systems as well as our government is because we have turned our backs on God. So many people want Him out of their lives so I think He has decided to stay out and watch just how well we do, which of course we are seeing how poorly that is. Hopefully we will wake up as a Nation before it is too late, even though this President thinks we aren’t a Christain Nation.

  • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

    Some of you sound like you’re suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome, the same neurosis that the moonbats suffered from over George Bush. You need to face facts. It’s true that he’s a socialist, an incompetent leader, an educated fool, and quite possibly a racist. But he’s still our president, like it or not. At this point in history, his fate is linked to ours. Pray for his continued health and safety, and just hope to God that he doesn’t get two terms.

    • JC

      He is not “our” President he is a fraud. And I would rather he fell and broke his neck.

  • Rod

    Sarah Palin is a HOOT AND A HOLLER! She is a breath of fresh air in a
    smog filled White House, filled with BROWN NOSING PALOSI,S! Everytime
    obuma turns a corner Palosi breaks her (already ugly) nose!

  • James Corbin

    Obama, Will have this country in such a mess—–When 2012 comes and there is an election ( maybe by then those liberials out of control will have it they we can’t vote) If the Republicans get in —-They will get the blame for all this stuff that takes effect in 2012.

    PS Don’t say it isn’t possible—-The Dems. aren’t listening to the people. They do what they want to do.

  • James Corbin

    All the other presidents have had their lives an open book—–But not this one—-Why, Why if there isn’t anything to hide!

  • http://0 garner wayne

    and she flies; they own A SUPER CUB AND I BET IT’S A GOOD ONE
    wonder if Sarah belongs to the EAA and or the AOPA?
    any ideas??
    and sent the boy back to Ohio

    • Joe H.

      garner,
      Yeah and I hear he got in some trouble as soon as he didn’t have her to speak up for him too!!!

  • http://0 garner wayne

    sure wish I could spell correctly ” Sara is the way I intended.
    I fly but not good at reading maps

  • Pat R

    Sarah is correct—–just like in the BIBLE!

  • Pat R

    Off to:http://americangrandjury.org/category/kenyan-birth-certificate

    to read some more articles.

    Merry Christmas!!!

  • DumbAmerica

    (comment removed for offensive content).

    • m.s.

      DumbAmerica-I thought my posts were exceedingly well written, poignant, well documented and respectful. Just read mine, click on the links provided and expand your repetoire. Merry christmas.

    • Ricardo09

      Yea…Right, like Gore thinks the core of the earth two kilometers down is millions of degrees and Obama is not going to sign legislation with earmarks… You liberal morons just don’t get it. Read your constitution then count the ways this (and previous) administrations are stealing your liberties…. YOu are probably a welfare baby… so you like socialism and communism… The wealth of the nation moron came from a free, democratic, capitalistic society. NOT from big government. Want to get your health care like the Brits that has a significantly higher death rate for breast cancer and prostate cancer than the US… YOu are stupid as is the current president. Ever see him say anything away from the teleprompter… makes Bush look really good!

      • Curtis S

        Ricardo – Do you think that there is anyone on tv that ISN’T using a teleprompter? The Obama -teleprompter thing seems to be a common line used here, and it appears to be meant as an insult. Everybody uses a teleprompter get over it.

    • DaveH

      Dumb, you are aptly named. Don’t confuse intelligence with Hopes and Dreams. Anybody can believe what they want to believe. Those with true intelligence look outside of their comfort zone.

    • JC

      Another liberal making another blanket statement of name calling….nothing new here.

  • Park K

    Bush, Palin, Cheney, Reagan, McCain, Gingrich, and many more thinking public servants are and were way ahead of our current leader in running our country with wisdom and a moral compass. Obama is even making Carter look good and I never thought I would stoop that low in my thinking. I’m beginning to think Hillary would be much better than what we got, even tho I disagree greatly with her on 90% of the issues. Sarah Palin would not have doubled our debt and crammed a ridiculous phony health program down our throats like this guy. I love her guts and ability to get under the lib’s skin by having good ideas politically and best of all morally. The left hates someone that really has good moral character and great fiscal plans and knows how to implement them. The lib’s just want every one to “just do what you want, and no one can tell you it is wrong” ???? Come on, let’s put God back into our lives and really get a life both politically and morally. That’s what Sarah suggest in her great book, but the lib’s wont like that part. And don’t tell me I spelled something wrong as I never could spell. I’m sure you get the idea of my message even with words spelled wrong.

  • http://Newlyreceivede-mail Dave

    I voted Democrat because

    I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want.
    I’ve decided to marry my horse.

    I voted Democrat because
    I believe oil companies’ profits of 4% on a gallon of gas
    are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas
    at 15% isn’t.

    I voted Democrat because
    I believe the government will do a better job of
    spending the money I earn than I would.

    I voted Democrat because
    Freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is
    offended by it.

    I voted Democrat because
    When we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop
    what they’re doing because they now think we’re good people.

    I voted Democrat because
    I’m way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my
    local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and
    thieves..

    I voted Democrat because
    I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on
    Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away In
    ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius.

    I voted Democrat because
    I’m not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies
    so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

    I voted Democrat because
    I believe that business should not be allowed to make
    profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest
    away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

    I voted Democrat because
    I believe liberal judges need to rewrite The Constitution
    every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their
    agendas past the voters.

    I voted Democrat because
    My head is so firmly planted up my ___ that it is unlikely
    that I’ll ever have another point of view.

    “A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they
    don’t own.”

  • Northern Neighbour

    What a fascinating site. Like a bunch of kids arguing in the schoolyard. I really hope all of you can sort out your differences. Your present President has inheritted so much junk from the previous Republican administration that it is amazing how right wingers like most of you on this site can blame him for all that ails the US of A. What you sow, so shall you reap. When your corporations outsource practically all manufacturing to Communist China does that suggest that your capitalist CEO’s are actually closet Communists? Looks like you need to sort out more than your Government, you really need to start getting rid of the CEO’s that run your large corporations.

    • JC

      The only real capitalists in communist countries just happen to be the government…just like right here, right now.

      • denniso

        Good comment Northern….there are a few of us here that are actually sane and are trying to inject some logic and thought into these haters.

        • DaveH

          What logic classes have you had? Hopes and Dreams are not logic. Anybody can wish this were a better world. The real intellects know that it is flawed and look for real answers instead of embracing those answers that are the most attractive.

    • DaveH

      Neighbor,
      Their are no doubt CEOs that take advantage of the citizens. But without Big Government protecting them through subsidies, tariffs, and regulations (will explain that) they would be powerless.
      Regulations protect Big Corporations from competition by hobbling their smaller competitors who can’t afford to hire full-time lawyers and accountants to deal with the regulatory burden. In a free market the companies would answer directly to the consumer not to some disinterested government bureaucrats (often corrupt too).
      When anybody is protected from competition, whether it be individuals or companies of individuals, those people are not going to work as hard (mentally or physically). Thus production goes down, and prices go up. And our standards of living go down.
      It seems so obvious to me that the more people are taken out of the private economy and put in government regulatory positions, the less productivity we are going to have. Big Government is sucking up our natural and financial resources. Big Government is the problem, not the solution.

    • coal miner

      Northern,

      Well said;buy American and if posible,union made products.like I said,it wasn’t the liberals that gave everything away.It was the conservatives who sold this country rihgt out from under us.I think Lenin was right.He said the communist will have enough rope to hang us with.He was ask where would they get the rope.He merely smile and said: “They will sell it to us”.Ronald Reagan,Dick Cheney, and the two Bushs are responible for this sell out.Get ready for the rope!

      • DaveH

        Sure, buy Union so the Union workers can make big money at our expense.
        The conservatives sold us out to other countries? Here is evidence to the contrary coming straight from the Union donkey’s mouth:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzG0xpkjWrA

        • coal miner

          ScabDave,

          When are you going stop sticking your strike breaking foot in that scab mouth of yours.You are the most boring piece of work I ever listen too.No wonder your wife left you.She couldn’t stand that drivel of yours.I buy american products,you buy foriegn junk of course it has to be scab made.You wouldn’t have it any other way.You said you like Ron Paul,well for your imformation he refuse to walk accross a picket line when they were on strike.I considered people like you, that are pathetic and really sad put their selfish greed before their own country.REMEMBER PEOPLE BUY AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS. UNION MADE!NEVER SCAB FOREIGN MADE! (Words removed for offensive content)

          • DaveH

            Spoken like a true Union Thug.

          • DaveH

            Scabs?
            Oh, you mean those people who are willing to do the same job for less money? You mean the people who you think don’t deserve to make a living because they don’t belong to your Union Gang? You mean those people who you are willing to harm because they don’t see things your way?
            Like I said, Union Thugs.

          • denniso

            W/o workers being organized in some way, large corporations have all the power to enslave their workers and drive down wages and work them into the ground. Read some actual history.

          • DaveH

            You know nothing of history or reality Dumniso. In a free market, if a worker thinks he is worth more, he can find another job or start his own company. That should be easy for you “intelligent” Liberals (starting your own company).
            Any thug can get together in a gang and use violent or coercive methods to force a company to pay them more. After the Union Bullies get their higher pay, the company must (if it can) increase the prices of its products, and then the burden falls on the rest of the citizens. If the customers don’t accept the higher prices the company simply fails. Unless of course, Marxist politicians take it over and try to force its products on the Citizens under the guise of Global Warming or some other such hoax.

          • denniso

            Sorry DaveH, again you’re just clueless. What happens when the economy isn’t booming for some yrs and people are literally stuck in jobs..the co then can drop wages to slave wages and most workers have no option. You want people to pack up and follow jobs,if they exist,around the country. You don’t care about the breaking up of family structure when that happens, and how that affects all of society. People have a basic right to wages that will keep them alive,if not then move to Bangledesh.

          • Joe H.

            denniso,
            My wife works for a multinational firm and she is making 92% of the national average for her job. The company she works for has 5 different insurance plans, stock match, 100% matching funds, tuition reimbursement, eye and dental, and just about everything you could ask for and get this even for hourly wage as well. Guess what the kicker is? It’s non-union!!!!!! People don’t quit there as they have it well made!!!I retired from both union and non-union and I had it better in the ones I wasn’t! I’ve been a member of UAW, IBEW, TEAMSTERS, and the Food workers of America! I still had it better in the companies that didn’t have a union!!!

          • Joe H.

            coal minor,
            yeah buy American, I’m sure Northern appreciated that thought since there are more Canadian parts than U.S. made on them now!!!! South of the border and China probably like it too!!!!

        • JC

          You bet, support Unions and their “work to rule” ethic. Support the very system that encouraged American companies to leave America.
          Give people 70.00 an hour to tighten lug nuts. Nope, nothing insane about that! Support your local union thug.

          • coal miner

            (comment removed for offensive content)

          • DaveH

            LOL. I think miner has come out of the closet JC.

            And there you have it people. The Union mentality.

          • Joe H.

            Coal miner,
            with your name, I would think you would know the mines are UNIONIZED!!!! Your mind is so dense it makes diamonds look soft!!!!!

          • DaveH

            “Workers of the world unite!” For those who don’t know, that phrase originated in the Russian Revolution Era:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSllsTLkBsw

  • http://personalliberty bill

    If palin is the best chance for the gop in 2012 maybe you better save you campain money for 2016. I am a republican and i dont want a quitter running my country. Get your your heads out of the sand and find a real canadate not a winer that dosent like to pick on. They will eat here up for lunch…. Nice lady but get real

    • Rigel

      Bill, how long could you afford to fight frivolous lawsuits sponsered by your government. At what point would you decide your family’s welfare may be worth more than a job. Nobama has taken pages right of the Clinton play book where you destroy those who oppose you.Obama is hanging tough. Shelling out $1.7 million and counting of your money to defend his fraud of the constitution and office of president. Let’s take a looksey back at when this partisanship politics started. Wasn’t it back in the Clinton Adminstration where over thirty members of the administration were prosecuted including Mr. Clinton. With good cover-up Mrs. Clinton managed to avoid procecution. As the judge referenced to her case and evidence as being enough to suggest wrong doing but insubstantial to convict. After this most corrupt administration liberals return to welcome the Kenyan who never met a lie he didn’t like. Wasn’t that why we didn’t like Bush? He was “alleged” to have told one about Iraq? And spent too much money? We entered Iraq because 16 UN resolutions had been broken. People still repeat propaganda from news sources determined to undermine progress of US servicemen. On reading military history you will might find that at 2006 what SOF (special operation forces)found in Iraq was still classisied. Even after a complete village of Kurds had been killed in 1988 by some WMD, ever man woman and child. Futher more this Kenyan has spent more in 6 months than Bush did in 8 years. Then the Kenyan withheld information to try to prosecute federal agents doing their job.Now we have an FBI and CIA that spend all their time securing a paper trail to cover their behinds. Government employees have recieved a 10% increase at the expense of the retired and disabled who will not receive a cost of living expense for the next two years because yor pres says there will be no increase in COLE. Well guess what. Truth has been circumvented again. Now get ready for the largest tax increase in history. You’ve earned it.

  • SUSAN

    It seems to me that President Obama is not a citizen of the U.S. and that other powers-that-be do not care and are protecting him at every step because he is helping further their Socialist agendas. It also seems to me that they see our Constitution as only an old historical document that is to be ignored as such because it seems that our Constitution does not fit in the New Age that is being resurected. It seems that the house and senate will eventually be only front men/women doing the things ordered by the President and Tzars because they are addicted to power. From the way things are being handled it seems that crisis plays in their favor and as soon as the baby boomers are gone then the Constitution and Christianity will be mostly forgotten. This I believe is one reason medicare is going to be cut drastically and everyone 55 and over will be counciled about death and dying options. God is being taken out of everything it seems and this is done it seems because our children will be more receptive to the cause and less disruptive to their agenda applications. It seems this is just a tip of the iceberg.

  • BryceMyron

    Human beings argue uselessly some of the time because we have played the game of ‘who’s right’ for so long, we don’t realize that we all have a huge potential for ‘natural giving’ which would help all of us fulfill all the universal human needs we have. It’s life-giving when we communicate heart to heart and hear what needs or values people want to fulfill. For example, it sounds like Bill (comment right above this one) wants someone in the presidential office about whom he can be confident. It sounds like he will feel more secure if the President is someone who is very strong, will be able to withstand tremendous opposition, will face huge problems head on. Feelings like fear and anxiety inform us that our needs or values aren’t being fulfilled. Bill is saying he’ll be more relaxed if the Prez has stickability. We need to support each other to build up those qualities in ourselves so that we create more and more people with those qualities that can then enter public office and be the kinds of public officials we want.

    • Rigel

      BryceMyron,
      Problem is the stronger your president becomes the less freedom you experience. Would you like to visit Venezuela on an extended vacation to experence the strong arm of Hugo Chávez. If you make it back it may take a long time to get the bad taste out of your mouth. You may start to look at the news media for what they really are. Imagine for a couple minutes the strongest country in the world under dictatorship. Imagine the best healthcare system in the world turned upsidedown because someone thinks YOU should pay for their healthcare. This will be the most expensive healthcare in the world with reduced benifits. You’ve earned it.

  • MarkInOhio

    I would like to add something to my other comments on this thread. As distressing and outlandish as I find the ideas expressed here about Obama, Palin, etc., I feel certain that virtually all of the commenters here (except for the very nastiest name-calling ones) are, in “real life”, perfectly nice folks that I would actually enjoy talking to, having a beer with, etc.

    I spend a certain amount of time in rural central Ohio where you can be sure almost everyone is conservative, and the people I meet there are *invariably* as friendly, kind and generous as you could possibly want anyone to be. I know perfectly well that some of these same people share the “Birther” and “Palindrone” views we see here, but as long as we discuss other topics we get along like gangbusters.

    This dichotomy – super-nice people with crazy-sounding ideas (sorry) – is baffling to me, and I spend a lot of time wondering why it would exist.

    Part of the answer has to do with the beliefs underlying the views that I question. Let me use the example of Glenn Beck’s recent statements about FEMA supposedly building concentration camps to house conservatives.

    (Surely *some* of you will acknowledge that this is unlikely to be true, will you not? Please tell me that you don’t all believe in this theory!)

    One lady was arrested taking pictures and carrying an AK-47 outside of a National Guard base, evidently believing that she had located one of Beck’s “FEMA camps”.

    http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=225871&town=Westhampton&n=Police%20find%20weapons%20in%20car%20of%20woman%20nabbed%20for%20trespassing%20at%20air%20base

    This woman took the Beck warnings seriously and, being “extremely patriotic”, she apparently decided to take some pictures of this “secret FEMA camp” and to expose this terrible Obama policy. Now, I do believe that the woman truly *is* very patriotic, but that she was too quick to believe this outlandish Beck statement, taking action on it without actually checking it out. Is this you?

    Let me close by saying that if I believed the things this lady and many of the commenters here believe, I would be just as upset as you all are about these various issues! But reading many sources (and applying a little common sense) tells me that such tales as the FEMA camps are simply not true. I feel the same way about the birth certificate question as well as the ACORN conspiracies, Soros conspiracies, he’s-going-to-take-our-guns conspiracies, and the other seemingly paranoid fears that plague many conservatives.

    Sorry for the long post, but I really would like to understand you folks better.

  • Palin12

    When Sarah Palin takes the oath of office for President on Jan.21, 2013, I will once again be a proud American. Sarah worked hard to accomplish all she has done, unlike someone like The Hildebeast who believes she is entitled to be President just because she once fitted the drapes for the White House. As Governor of Alaska, the state budget was balanced; Alaska being the only state not to enter the recession. She always put the people before the political parties.
    That is why she beat an incumbant Republican governor. I’d much rather have a common sense leader then an ivory tower pseudo-intellectual from Harvard.

  • MarkInOhio

    That’s a very nasty post you’ve got there, Dave (dupe and all). I have a question for you: have you ever made any attempt whatsoever to actually *understand* the liberal/progressive viewpoints on various issues, or are you satisfied to just present absurd caricatures of those viewpoints and just let it go at that?

    What if you were to pick one of your issues and nicely and politely asking if some of the progressives on this site (there are a few) might nicely and politely explain their point of view? You could kick the discussion off by stating (without name-calling, dirty words, all caps, etc.) what you believe about the issue in question and ask the progressives if they can understand your viewpoint. We just might! I for one promise right here and now to try mightily to do so.

    Would this approach not be better than the nasty, mean-spirited, this-discussion-is-over tone of your post? Diatribes like this stop conversations that we should be starting and turn Americans against each other. Is this truly what you want?

    • DaveH

      That’s funny Mark. I have been observing political discussions for 40 years and the hallmarks of Liberals are their banal attempts to win debates with name-calling, ridicule, and other forms of childish manipulation. That works on ignorant people, but not on the rest of us.

    • Joe H.

      MarkinOhio,
      I suggest you take your own advice!!!!!

      • denniso

        All you have to do is listen to Limbaugh and Beck and Savage,who are most rightwingers heroes,and you see where the major name calling and demonnizing comes from. Most liberals/progressives try to discuss issues using rational thought..most rightwing people quickly go to shouting and namecalling…I try to calmly discuss things w/ everyone,but if they are abusive and spew hate and lies toward others,then all bets are off. I spent 35 yrs trying to talk w/ extremists before I finally gave up..in our country now, it’s a war to control the soul of our society.

        • Joe H.

          Mark in ohio,
          I suggest,as an experiment, you go to hufpo and daily kos and submit an opposing argument and stand firm like you believe it. Watch how fast you are dumped and the name calling starts!!! Now Go to Say, Town Hall and argue a liberal ideal without any names like before and I’ll bet you are let continue till you cuss or get filthy and I do mean filthy!!!

    • Claire

      MarkinOhio—this is exactly what the politicians want. They want Americans to be at dissent with each other. This is how politicians get re-elected in this country. Keep diversity going and growing.
      Heaven forbid if Americans joined together for one common cause—the good of our country.

  • gm

    The Obam Kenyan birth cretificate HAS been turned over to multiple courts by Orly Taitz. They refused to hear the evidence and dismissed cases on technicalities.

    My question is, if the B.C. has a footprint on it, why not check it abgainst obama’s? If we could geta sample from Bubba Clinton to check against the infamous “blue dress” stain, then we should be able to do that with Obotomy.

    By the way, have y’all read “The Obama Timeline?” fascinating, utterly fascinating,. I suggest that you get a copy.

    • denniso

      ‘Obama timeline’?? what, another rightwing nutjob lark??

      • DaveH

        The usual adolescent remark from Denniso.

      • JC

        With any luck his time line will be cut short.

  • JC

    Beautiful.

  • wnettles

    At least, Sarah Palin has and can produce a valid birth certificate. Something Mr. Obama has yet failed to do.

    I would just guess that if one counted all of Sara Palin’s accomplishments and all of Barak Obama’s failures, they would just about equal up. But, I think Obama may be gaining in the failure department on everyone.

    The farse that he is perpetrating now on this nation will live in infamy as his biggest failure and our biggest blunder (electing an Anti-American for President).

    We can begin correcting this gross mistake right now by landslide elections of non-Democrats in all future elections. Maybe we could even elect some statesmen to Congress and purge the politicians….

    • chuck b

      wnettles

      where do you propose we get this landslide of voters are you counting the tally from the last election. the conservatives are being outnumbered in the polls and even if we do get someone elected they will never have enough votes in either house to change anything. the illegal’s are still pouring into this country and we have a large minority voting bloc, these are socialist type voters (what can they get for free) federal, state and county workers, most of these are liberal voters and growing by the day, so where do we get this landslide you are talking about? Sarah Palin is our only hope for a strong president and the media is doing everything possible to destroy her! so when do you want to start the revolution?

      • DaveH
        • chuck b

          Dave:

          thanks for the info. this probably shows the accurate percentages, however, the so called 36% moderates are more likely to vote liberal and when you add that to the 20% liberal you see why it will be hard to get a landslide victory for any conservative.

          • denniso

            Which is fortunate for sanity and progress…

          • Joe H.

            chuck b,
            I read a poll the other day that said moderates that supported O-man in the elections are now abandoning him!!! If we can get them to abandon the libbers in 2010 then it might NOT be a repeat of this year!!! All we have to do is break the majority!!! I think we can do that if we get out and VOTE, TALK, CAMPAIGN, AND CONVINCE!!!!

      • denniso

        Chuck b..luckily, you guys are a dying breed and America is moving forward,though too slowly..get over it.

        • chuck b

          denniso:

          as always you have it wrong. what you see dying is liberalism. look it up in your copy of the daily worker.

  • DaveH

    This is an interesting website for those with open-minds:
    http://www.federalbudget.com/

  • coal miner

    Scab Dave,

    Sonny Barger of the Hell’s Angels said he is a libertarian and he said he wouldn’t be that low life to bust a picket line.He buys american made products,not foreign made junk. I got a lot of respect for him.You called these unions a bunch of thieves and thugs.What about company goons? Years ago when I was on strike,these so called company heroes had hired some night crawlers out of Chicago,their first order was cracked some heads.The first person they attacked was a old man about in his sixties.They used long pieces of wood as clubs.Thats when I sprung into action,all two-hundred and forty pounds of me.I picked up a block of coal and hit that strike breaking goon right between the eyes and then took it way from him.I gave him a taste of his own medicine.Another scum bag came at me with a gun,a fellow miner disarm him and chase him around the building.I was only nineteen at that time.The miner who disarm that worthless no good,later on became a doctor.So don’t call us thugs.All it does make you look like moron.

    • Joe H.

      Coal minor,
      Wake up!! Wake up!! man you’re dreaming again!!! Your 140 pounds aren’t equal to 240, Wake up!!!!

      • coal miner

        Joe,

        Thats years ago.The last time I was at a doctor’s office I actually weigh 165 pounds.That has been a month ago.I am seventy nine and not the man I used to be.I still get around.You can’t be healthy for ever.I am so skinny they gave me the nick name Bean Pole and I got to watch what I eat.I got type two diabetes and on a all fruit-vegetable diet,no meat or milk products.When you get this affliction,you got it forever.

        • coal miner

          JoeH,Ps

          I was nineteen and stocky build when I weighed 240.From my early childhood to fouteen I was seriously under weight In my late 20s I started losing weight again.I might had type two for years and didn’t know it.When I was twenty-five I tried to join the US Marines and I was turn down,because of eyesight.My vision would be good and other times blurred.Today that is a sure sign of type two diabetes. It was like seeing under water.They had the standered urine test at that time,but it was not entirely accurate.We came a long ways in detecting sugar in our blood.

          • Joe H.

            Coalminor,
            I’m six foot tall, 205# and 59 years old. I do have type two diabetes from the defoliant the army used in RVN. I used to get Cloracne as well. Weight is the first thing to rise in type two not lower!! With your all veg diet you probably werent getting enough protein which will effect your eyes!!!

    • denniso

      is hopeless and clueless…

      • DaveH

        Denniso,
        You and Coal Miner are the best advertisement I could ask for in my efforts to wake people up to the concept of freedom. Thank you for your comments.

    • DaveH

      No, Miner, that makes you a (word removed for offensive content) I don’t defend force on others by anybody. But it is Union Thugs that are usually involved in the force.
      So, you’re telling me that the picketers’ were just minding their own business, and the company hired people to attack them? What would be the point in that? Somehow, I find that hard to believe. More likely is that the Union Picketer’s were interfering with people who were willing to go into the company and work for less – a voluntary thing which you Union Thugs don’t seem to understand.

      • coal miner

        Dave,Scab

        When I saw a old man attack by a paid scab goon than that is a different matter.Did you ever heard of Bert Galbert Combs?He was a ex coal miner and union man.He was governor of kentucky and a prominent lawyer.I always like Mr. Combs and found him truthful and honest.Scabs, if they do cross the picket line with police escort and when the strike is over ,they have to join the union because we have a union shop and we have to accept them.They turn out to be the biggest cry babies.They are always complaining about this and that.I don’t how many grievences I filed on behalf of these worms.A lot of these scum bags usually quit when we go back to work.I think they cross the picket lines to show they can do it.They usually get bad side effects from IT known as multiple fractures.These so called union coal miners you called thugs,two OF them are retired state policemen.BUY AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS WITH A UNION LABEL!PUT OUR PEOPLE BACK TO WORK! SCABS OF THE WORLD!UNITE!YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE,BUT YOUR BACK BONE!

      • DaveH

        That’s so funny. They removed the word “moron” which was just a copy of that in Coal Miner’s comment.
        And Coal Miner, why would the police have to escort somebody through the picket line?
        How would you feel if you hired a gardener who turned out to be a slouch, and then you fired him only to have him hang around your property harassing other potential gardeners who came to do the job right?
        It isn’t called “backbone” it’s called immorality. No man has a right to force himself on any other man or his property.

  • JONAL

    Winnie, just because most of us don’t praise the jr senator (your president), please don’t bring race into this. I say “most” because his ratings continue to drop on a daily basis. I have no respect for him and he is deliberately attempting to ruin this great country. This healthcare bill will not pass the way you hope it will (if it even passes at all) and it will surely be the jr senator’s Waterloo. Oh wait a minute, if the healthcare bill doesn’t pass, I guess it will be Bush’s fault, right?

    • Joe H.

      JONAL,
      That’s one I’ll let him blame Bush for and not argue about it!!!!

    • denniso

      Jonal..sorry,but the healthcare bill will pass and Obama will be strengthened,unlike your dark ages side. Despite all the kicking and screaming from the right wing, we will move OUR country foward,because most Americans are not neanderthals who want to burn people at the stake because they’re different religions and force women to submit to men.

      • DaveH

        Denniso,
        The average Health Care Costs would be determined by dividing the total health care costs by the number of citizens.

        We can divide the Health Care Consumers into 3 groups:

        Group A would be the below-average consumers of Health Care. This group would include people who were of above average health. Some would just be lucky (good genes, less exposure to diseases, etc.). Others would be healthier due to concerted efforts (good eating habits, exercise, etc.).

        Group B would be the average consumers of Health Care. This group would include people who were of average health.

        Group C would be the above-average consumers of Health Care. This group would include people who were of below average health. Some would just be unlucky (accidents, bad genes, etc.). Others would be unhealthy due to life-style choices (smoking, bad eating habits, etc.).

        Now let’s add Health Insurance into the discussion. Insurers at bare minimum must charge each person as much as the average health care costs across the nation and in addition Insurers must add the costs of their administration (this doesn’t even include profits). Also, there would be the costs of others who are involved in the loop (extra paperwork for the Doctors, etc.).

        You can see that in the long run both Group A & Group B would necessarily spend more money if they chose to carry health insurance. Only Group C would come out ahead. I would argue that most of Group C got their poor health from life style choices that were a result of laziness, pleasure-seeking, or decadence.

        In other words Groups A & B would be supporting the bad lifestyles of most of Group C.

        Is this Right? Is it Smart? I don’t think so. If we did anything in this nation in regards to Health Care, we should just provide money for catastrophic events that occurred to those in Group C who suffered those events through no fault of their own. That would be far cheaper than the current legislation that our Congressmen are trying to foist upon us.

        • denniso

          I’m against health ins in general…the problem is mostly that health costs have skyrocketed way beyond inflation and wage gains for 30 yrs. But, going back at least to Clinton trying to cover all people and reduce costs,the Repubs and their buddies the big corps have fought any change in the status quo and so we get to a point where this bill is all that we can get. I would like to see all health care be funded through taxes,like all other public services that we all pay for..roads,police,sewage plants,military,etc…health care should not be profit based.

          • DDC

            denniso, you need to keep your insurance, because you might need it soon.

    • http://n/a Winnie

      Jonal. Let’s compare Bush and Obama (both of whom are your presidents).

      Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. His daddy helped him stay out Vietnam. Obama was born poor whose daddy wasn’t able to give hand outs to help him. Would have been nice if he had enlisted in the army. Bush killed millons of people needlessly in Irag. Obama voted against the Irag war. Bush gave your country’s millionaires more millions and left the poor poorer. Obama would like to tax the wealthy their illbegotten millions to better the living conditions of the middleclass and the poor. Bush inspired hatred around the world and made the Americans feel unsafe in almost any country. Obama has tried to fix the mess Bush has caused in just seven years.

      Watching the conservatives in the US from here in Canada, I gotta shake my head and wonder if there are any conservatives who can think and judge for themselves. If you are going to get someone to representyou from the GOP, at least get someone who would remind you of Jesus Christ and who walks and places His value on all the people. None of those that have been mentioned don’t seem to fit. Why not try a real American, maybe a gentle American Native Grandmother would begin healing and gathering all those who now live in the United States of American and start their journey as one people, for the people, and by the people.

      • DaveH

        Does placing your values on other people include theft in your religion? If you are charitable with your own money, I congratulate you. If you are charitable with other peoples’ money you are just a thief. Own up to it.

        • Joe H.

          winnie,
          I notice the fact that O-man didn’t serve at all(even in the boy scouts!) didn’t stop him from sending troops to Afghanistan to fight and possibly die!!!! He who wouldn’t even serve in this country’s conflicts if its life depended on it!!!

      • coal miner

        Winnie,

        What you said is the absolute truth.The Bush and Cheney administration were disasters in the making.They are the ones that created this ecconomic mess and a endless war. These redneck yokels are saying Obama is the blame.They need to leave the President a lone and let him do his job.He got a hell lot of cleaning up to do.We all need to get behind the president, not against him.If he fails,we all faill.

  • James

    denniso;what the hell are you talking about !? This so called reform bill is in effect a healthcare ”deprivation” bill that will in fact not make healthcare cheaper or more accessable to the American people ! Tell me,how does taxing existing union healthcare plans make healthcare more accsessable/ affordable ? Millions of Americans choose not to purchase healthcare insurance because of the fact that such insurance is simply to expensive;please tell us just exactly how forcing Americans to purchase insurance,”which they cannot afford” will make healthcare more affordable ? What provision in this bill will force insurance providers to offer individuals and or families truly affordable health insurance ? Maybe you know something I do not ?

    Obama specificaly ran on a platform in which he claimed to be oppossed to the mandatory purchasing of health insurance.Now that we see that this bill indeed features huge fines and prison sentences for people who refuse to purchace insurance,just how is it that you still can defend and support this man in light of the fact that he has betrayed his supporters ?! And by the way,this president also was very clear as to his support of a public option,”something that might have very well made viable healthcare more available to all Americans”what happened to that public option ? Surely the public option is somewhere in this bill,because we know for a fact that this president would never lie or sell out to the insurance corporations !

    Does it not bother you denniso, that nearly this entire debate has been focused not on healthcare reform,but on healthcare insurance ? Simply giving billionair insurance tycoons huge sums of money on a regular basis,”with no garantee of ever beniffiting from or getting anything in return for that money”does nothing to improve nor make healthcare cheaper.Healthcare insurance mandates do however mean that the insurance providers will be able to demand that customers,”in order to keep their coverage”accept even unwanted so called prevenitive treatments,potentialy dangerous vaccines;hell if this bill becomes law insurance companies will have the power to control or at least unfairly influence every aspect of our lives,including the food we choose to eat,the cloths we wear,our sex lives and even the people we associate with ! Denniso,do you not realize that the insurance companies are going to argue that they have a right to make demands of us if for no other reason than to protect their profits !? This bill, like none before it, has the potential to detroy even the concepts of individual freedom and collective liberty ! You denniso should be ashamed of your self for supporting this most un-American bill. Progress nor security is to be found where there is a loss of freedom.

    • DaveH

      Excellent comment James.
      The government is already trying to pass taxes on life-style choices. For instance, one new tax is going to go on tanning salons. And there are myriad others that are in the works.

    • denniso

      James…I’m also against mandates to buy health insurance. I agree that the gov’t does not have the right to force us to buy any product from any private corp. I loathe the giant ins co’s w/ their multi million $$ exec salaries made on the back of illness and grief. Obana screwed up when he went along w/ the plan to get the ins co’s on board for reform..he should have never tried to appease the fat cats. After the bill is passed,the mandates will be challenged in court and be found unconstitutional and will be changed. The bill has problems,but over a little time,like w/ medicare, it will be improved upon and will become as vital and accepted as medicare is now.

  • Vivian

    As I have read these replies, all that I see is how our nation is being pulled apart by our ideas. Our real question is “How can we stop this and all agree on our “ideals” I, for one, am scared and as I read your replies, am even more frightened. We have come so far, only to be taken backwards into a realm of differences. Please, we must all come togeter. We must all have access to this new government. We are really all in the dark and need to be enlightened. Can we trust our state reps to carry our thoughts to Washington. I am doubtful. Stay together, pray together and we will be safe.

    • chuck b

      vivian:

      the realm of differences you refer to is political parties.the founding fathers of this nation based our founding on the concept of christianity, since that time we have written into law different laws protecting persons and religion that differs from our basic beliefs. we have allowed them to gain enormous power, they cater to the so called working class, labor unions and they have control of most media and financial institutions. they are the controlling factor of the democratic party (money)they have installed a puppet president and now in the process of passing a so called healthcare bill that if passes will be a chain upon our freedom.lurking in the wing is the cap & trade (tax) along with the amnesty bill, if these are enacted they will put the finishing touches on our freedom, we are done. you can fight this by voting against the liberals, then if you defeat them, you can pray that you still have the right to pray.

    • DaveH

      Vivian,
      You don’t recognize that this “pulling apart” is occurring because Government is growing ever larger? We all have different likes and dislikes. The freedom that our Founders tried to guarantee with the Constitution is the best course of action to alleviate that friction.
      The friction exists because the Government tries to make one size fit all. If we could get back to the kind of freedom our forefathers envisioned, we and our children would attend the kind of schools that pleased each of us the most. We could decide as individuals whether we wanted to embrace religion or not. We could decide as individuals whether we wanted health care or not. We could decide as individuals whether we wanted to buy cheap energy or buy “green” energy to fight some imaginary Man-Made Global Warming.
      Big Government is causing this turmoil. If you really want it to be alleviated then help us get this country back to Limited Constitutional Government and Freedom.

  • coal miner

    Dave,

    You use the word thug a lot.The word thug was borrow from India,in the 1830s a religious sect went by the name Thugs.They were devoted to Kali female consort of Shiva the destroyer.She had four arms and when a thug killed a person she would devour the victim in secret,one day a thug saw Kali devouring a murdered victim,she turn around curse him.That day foreward thugs had to despose of the people they killed.They used a yellow or red scarf,to strangle their victims.She was also protector of pregnant women.

  • ANDY

    We as Americans should organize and start taking our country back from the dumocrats before we as americans go completely down the tubes.I like my freedom,I like to say what I have on my mind.I believe there will be a civil war in this country.I believe obozo is trying to make America 3rd world country.obozo is a muslin communist and so is polise,gay blabe frank,reid,cliton,they are all card carring communist there are many more and they should all have background check.GOD BLESS AMERICA,IN GOD WE TRUST.

  • takion1

    **Strange Obama Facts**
    A year into Obama’s Presidency and he has never uttered the words, I am an American.
    Mighty strange indeed.

  • takion1

    I am a Birther and I want the Constitutional requirements for the Presidency to be upheld.
    I live in world of reality where the SHEEPLE have allowed a known Communist like Obama to be elected as the President without definitive proof of his eligibility being shown to the people that he serves.

    Obama has never definitively proven where he was born.

    Because of Obama’s refusal to release the definitive document that could prove his Hawaiian birth beyond all doubt, the LFBC, Obama’s Hawaiian birth remains and unsubstantiated rumor.

    The fact is that based on Obama’s released CoLB, no one can prove what the numerical address of Obama’s birth was in Hawaii, or what the name was of the person who assisted with Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

    This is a problem whether SHEEPLE want to admit it or not, and is a direct violation of the Constitution.

    Obama is employed by all working and voting Americans, and owes us irrefutable proof of his eligibility to serve as the POTUS.
    That evidence does exist and the American people have a right to see it, despite Obama’s refusal to show it.

  • takion1

    **Strange Obama Facts**
    A year into Obama’s Presidency and he has never uttered the words, I am an American citizen.
    Mighty strange indeed.

  • HUSKERS

    I only have one thing to say, read Cloward–Piven strategy

  • magjoh

    I thought that these comments was for Palin “Poll Popularity Growing”
    How did someone take everyone off track. I see that it is easy to do.

    • chuck b

      magjoh:

      i have found the headlines of these discussions are only bait to arouse people to comment on this site. Sarah Palin is a thorn in the liberals side and a lot of these hateful comments towards her come from that base. more people see in her a new face with a clean record and good morality and no obligation to the current republican hierarchy. the huckabee and romney supporters can’t let go of the old politics (the kind that sunk the repub party last election), she’s smart straight forward and politically savvy its quite certain there are a lot of people starting to look in her direction as a pres. candidate.

      • Joe H.

        chuck b,
        Sarah has the libbers running scared!!! They proved this by the way they immediately went on attack on her. they have cost her over one million dollars in legal fees and she could not represent her people in the manner they deserved so she resigned!!! The almost funny thing about this comedy is that she beat all charges save one a misdemeanor!!!

        • chuck b

          joe:

          there is one more person out there that may be worth looking at, “Lou Dobbs”, he and Palin would make an outstanding ticket in my estimation.

          • http://n/a Winnie

            Lou Dobbs? LOL. lol. LOL. OMG!!!!!!!!!!! Lou Dobbs and Palin? Oh. My. God!!!! What a couple. I don’t think Dobbs likes Palin. LOL

          • Joe H.

            chuck b,
            I would never vote for Lou Dobbs!! After he left CNN he came out in support of AMNESTY!!! I will never support anyone that supports rewarding criminals in the U.S.!! NEVER!

        • coal miner

          Joeh,,

          You mean they a being a laughing and telling what a joke she is.

  • chuck b

    winnie

    OMG!!! your reaction OMG!! Dobbs and Palin? LOL what a couple, now i know this is a good combination, when it gets the liberals in a dither.

    • http://n/a Winnie

      Chuck, lol, I am neither liberal nor conservative; democrat nor republican. chuckles….I watch you Americans from up here north of the border and laugh because I have watched the American news forever. Maybe there is something to the couple of Dobbs and Palin. Haha, haha, haha. Please someone else butt in here and let me know how you all feel about these two people together…. these two as President and Vice. OMG!!!!

      • denniso

        Hi to Winnie in Canada…I say let the rightwing drool over Palin and Dobbs, then run them for election and watch the largest landslide against them in decades. The extremists think they have support,when the vast majority of Americans know better..besides,DaveH will split the conservative vote getting people to vote libertarian. Is it cold where you are in Canada?

        • http://n/a Winnie

          Hi Denniso. I have read your comments throughout this blog and also in some other article blogs as well and I thought “now here’s a person that gets all the other commentors to go nuts and do some name calling.” I get a few chuckles when I read some of the responses you get and also some of your name “mis-spells”. Boy, some of these republicans can be very mean and filthy-mouthed. I do hope that Palin will run for something. BTW, she is married to one of the Yupiks from Alaska. I, too, am a Yupik and I feel so sorry for Todd. Her whole family comes in last from what I have observed of her. I do what I can – offer Tobbaco and a prayer for her and her family. After all she is good for something and I think that is to keep us laughing or wondering and scratching our heads on what she was talking about.

          • Claire

            Winnie:

            True words. Palin is totally out for herself and all the money she can rake in. As I have said before–Presidential material? NO. I have often wondered about her ideas, thoughts—nonsensical stuff–but she is getting a little better with her lingo.

          • denniso

            Hi Winnie and Claire and any other sane people here…Hope you all have a happy new year and be safe. No drinking and driving,spread the word.

      • chuck b

        Winnie:
        for you to laugh at the possible candidates of our country astounds me, you canadians of all people should laugh at others..OMG LOL HAHAHA, you pick your leaders and we will pick ours. we have failed this last election, however, i believe this can be changed starting next year and hopeful we can remove this doufus running our country in 2012 or sooner. happy new year to you, lol omg hahaha

        • http://n/a Winnie

          Chuck B, I must thank you for the chuckles I get when reading your comments. How old are you physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually? You seem to be a little unbalanced. But I am not complaining. The saying goes that laughter is the best healing medicine for all four aspects of our being. I hope that I did really give you some good laughs too. lol.

          • chuck b

            Winnie

            physically, worn out. mentally, still learning. emotionally, easily upset by liberals. spiritually, losing my faith,how could god allow our nation to be overtaken by democrats!!! yes your humor is good,

    • Claire

      chuck b—what is your combination for the Republicans? I am curious.

      • chuck b

        Claire

        after the last four years of Bush and the republican congress i had decided to release my membership with the repubs. however, there’s nothing going on that excites me with any other established party and would never be caught voting for a socialist democrat so i started attending the tea party rallies and found a lot of people like myself, undecided and sick of our current congress and senate, completely disgusted with the countries choice of president. the republicans have no one at the moment i would vote for, huckabee and romney are never beens and never will. that leaves the person i truly believe could lead this country with a firm and honest hand, that’s Sarah Palin and i also like Lou Dobbs he knows finance and business, Palin has shown the same credentials and i think they are the combination that could win. Dobbs may not be known as well throughout the country, but, after listening to him i’m sure most would agree with him.

        • Claire

          We all have a right to our own opinions and I respect yours. However, between Palin and Dobbs, I believe Dobbs would be the most dependable. At this point in time for me, I do not believe there is one single trustworthy politician in either party. I will not vote for a Democrat nor a Republican in 2010 or in 2012. Everyone keeps screaming to “clean house.” Well, let’s clean house and get rid of all of them. My next question is: Where do we find an upstanding honest person to run for office? There are numerous honest people in the U.S. but they cannot afford to run for office because everyone donates to the Democrats or the Republicans. A very powerful person would have to be the candidate for the Libertarian party. It is a no-win situation. It will be very interesting in the years to come. I wonder if the Democrats will become the party of “NO” if the majority of Republicans get the seats with the next elections. Therefore, regardless of how many Republicans get in or how many Democrats get in, it will continue to be a downhill slide.

          • Claire

            I have often thought that a woman for the Presidency would be awesome, BUT we need a woman like Margaret Thatcher. I always respected that woman. They called her the “Iron Lady.” A very strong woman. Nothing wishy/washy about her.

  • coal miner

    Joeh,

    I am deeply sorry about your type two.I lost tremendous amount of weight and the strange thing I wasn’t thirsty.I urinate a lot,some times I would’t make it to the restroom.The urination got so bad,I thought I had prostate cancer and I had my doctor to check me out.She told me my prostate was good.She did blood work on me and send my blood samples to the local hospital.Three days later it came back and it was 600.My lowest reading with medication that I ever had was 65 and about average 160..There alot of people seriously under weight like me have type two.

    • coal miner

      joeh,ps

      You do lose a lot of weight.My doctor told me that was the classic symptons of type two.That was even on TV.I started the all vegetable diet five years ago.I was diagnose eighteen years ago.I was always a big eater and ate like a horse,but always under weight.I also had a lot of laser surgeries on my right eye.It is almost gone and like I said when you get diabetes, you got it for life.

      • coal miner

        Joeh,

        You told me that my mother fed me and cloth me.She was abusive and down right vicious.When you see innocent people hurt,and all she ever did was cause pain and misery, the only one that fed and cloth me,was my dad she cause him to have a heart attack and die,he was 72. The preacher ask us to pray.You know what she said,never mine he is hell.I couldn’t get over how cold and cruel that was. So stop putting your foot in your mouth,it makes you look like a fool

  • chuck b

    joe h

    you claim lou dobbs came out for the emnesty bill? Lou Dobbs left cnn because of the controversy of him talking against “amnesty” if he has changed his mind i would like that information.

  • denniso

    Look this up guys…Reagan/Bush1 tripled the national debt..TRIPLED!!
    Under Clinton the debt went up from 4.2 to 5.7 trillion. Under George the 2nd it went from 5.7 to 10.6, almost doubled!! So, who are the big spenders??

    • chuck b

      denniso

      CLINTON AND THE DEMOCRATS AND THEY ARE PIKERS COMPARED TO OBAMA AND THIS COMGRESS

      • denniso

        chuck….Obama inherited a collapsed economy and is trying to save capitalism for you..still,he has only increased the national debt by 1.5 trillion, a long way from what the repubs did under Reagan and both Bushes.

        • chuck b

          denniso

          you must be living in canada, obama and the demos are in the process of indebting our nation more than all the combined admin’s in our history.
          if obama is trying to save capitalism he has a funny way of doing it.

          you say he inherited a collapsed economy, didn’t the democrats have control of the purse strings for the last three years?? i do not defend gwb, but you have to lay it right at the feet of pelosi and reid. the only thing you can blame the repubs for is the fact they did nothing to try and stop it. if i remember right the country was doing pretty good with the exception of gas prices until the demos came in.

          • Claire

            All the politicians in America has had a hand in our downfall. This has been going on for years and years, under the Republicans and under the Democrats. It is beyond me why people cannot realize this. All this arguing and attacks on each other will not solve a thing. My God, if people want freedom and want America on the right track, then people should unite for the common good. Instead, it has become a nightmare-Republicans pitted against Democrats and vice versa. Nothing will be accomplished if we continue down this path of self-destruction.

  • Au Contrair

    I hope you realize that you have all spent the last five days arguing over your petty differences instead of making the last hours of the last decade count. What is happening to each and every one of us is happening to all of humanity.
    Labels, Politicians, Democrats, Republicans, Liberals, Libertarians, Conservatives,and the list goes on. These are the weapons the mind controllers have armed us with to render us powerless. Why because if we have a chance to look at what is almost upon us we might literally wake up just in the nick of time to KEEP THEM FROM ENSLAVING US. You, me, the citizens of every other country on this planet have something so basic in common that it defies argument. We will be the victims of the greatest crime against humanity that the world has ever known and Americans will be the last to realize or understand it. Why? Because the mainstream media, especially of this country literally acts as surrogate for the Devil himself. If you care to take your destiny back if it is not already to late, revelations comes as close to explaining it as anything else. If you would like a more contemporary view of what is happening in this country that makes the message so important and timely just understand this. “Marshall Law” was declared this past summer and renewed again in October. We are in the final stages of the overthrow of our government. This was not instigated by one party or one President.
    They are merely the “PUPPETS” use to distract us from the task of looking at the puppet masters themselves. The beginning of the story starts with a movie that the Producer has been killed for bringing to light. Like so many Scientists, Whistle Blowers, Heroes and Heroines he paid the ultimate price for his Patriotism. Don’t let his life be lost in vain. He has documented the beginning of the story “It IS UP TO THE REST OF US TO WRITE THE END OF IT! If you care to take your destiny back go to Freedom to Fascism watch the movie it is very enlightening.

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