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Politicians Avoiding Questions Pertaining To Policy

April 27, 2012 by  

Politicians Avoiding Questions Pertaining To Policy
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This year’s class of campaigners is a tight-lipped bunch.

I still remember the yellow tint of the dodgeball that crushed my face in seventh grade. Had I been more like a Senate or House candidate, I would have been able to avoid the pugnacious projectile altogether.

Vacillating on political issues gives opponents fodder for campaigns. Attack ads are filled with clips of the same person espousing different viewpoints.

Perhaps candidates for the Senate and House are catching on. If you refuse to let people know your plans and ideas by dodging the issues, then your political enemy can never say you contradicted yourself. On the other hand, if you refuse to reveal your plans and ideas, why would anyone vote for you?

Enigmatic, ambiguous obscurity is what this year’s Senate and House races are made of. Or maybe it’s just plain ol’ ignorance.

You might say it’s a bipartisan effort. Finally, both parties are taking the same route.

When Senate candidate Sarah Steelman, a Republican from Missouri, was asked about the Violence Against Women Act, she responded: “I’m not sure what that is, because I’m not serving right now.”

Democratic candidate Heidi Heitkamp, running for Senator of North Dakota, wants to get well established in the race before talking about policy: “There will be a lot of months ahead to talk about the details.”

Representative Connie Mack (R-Fla.), who is running for re-election, was asked by MSNBC’s Chuck Todd about student loan interest rates and he gave this answer: “If you don’t mind, Chuck, I want to talk about what’s happening here in the state of Florida.”

Democrat Christie Vilsack, a candidate for Representative of Iowa, isn’t concerned about things that have happened in the past. When asked about Obama’s healthcare law she retorted: “I don’t go back and try to figure out what I would have voted for.”

I guess they figure it’s better to keep your mouth closed and have people believe you’re ignorant than to open it and remove all doubt.

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • s c

    A dodgeball is so old hat. How about a circus dunk tank loaded with nasty fish with sharp teeth? I’m very interested in how Obummer plans to answer or explain his policies, since he hasn’t had any for the last 3+ years.
    “My, uh, policy is hope and change. My, uh, policy is transparency. My, uh, policy is fairness. My, uh, policy is redistribution of wealth. I gotta go. I need a trip ’cause I’ve been over-worked for so long. Don’t worry about any costs. We’ll find a way to make Amerika pay for it.”
    Remember, you have the best gubmint $ can buy!

    • Deerinwater

      ” since he hasn’t had any for the last 3+ years.” LOL! Well I believe that he has as we see some people would be much happier if he hadn’t. Much policy was blocked in the Senate is true, while much made it though. Some is being reviewed by the supreme court as we speak. It’s been an active 3 years on the Hill. I would agree to the notion Lyndon passed more policy in 3 years ~ does that make sense?

      Maybe you are just talking about policy that you would willingly support.

    • Flashy

      No comment on the erroneous perception this administration hasn’t had policy for 3 years….heck, just read this site on the numerous policies promulgated. Something else this site will exemplify….in todays world, everything is twisted, warped, faked, made up, denigrated…to serve the purposes of the opposition.

      And it’s not confined to one party. As Nash points out…it’s across the board. (Where’d this guy come from? A completely ideological unbiased article? Wow…).

      Romney may have stumbled through sheer incompetence on a formidable strategy. he can say he’s for or against anything that comes up during the campaign…because he was for or against it during the primaries! Romney simply overloaded the system.

      But should a candidate for Congress take a stance…whoa…the attack dogs come out with the negative advertising, the chain emails, the tweets…stretching the truth and taking out of context…and making stuff up (such as this administration being anti-gun…that claim is so false it is laughable).

      2008 was the first showing the power of the internet and the Instant Communication Age and how it can overcome big money. This one I see as showing the dangers of the Internet and Instant Communication Age and the influence of big money.

      Hopefully, the next big election will have a semblance of balance as people adjust and adapt to the Instant Communication Age …

      • Rick

        Flashy 2 points that prove once again you are talking through your hat. First was a little fiasco called Fast and Furious, which was concieved to push for more gun control laws but blew up in Holder and Obama’s face. but has gotten stonewalled and swept under the rug. and second, As far as the instant communication over coming big money Abama out spent McCain almost double in 2008please try to get your lips off Obama’s ass.

      • Flashy

        Rick….Fast and furious was implemented under the Bush II/Cheney regime. though one can fault this administration for not discovering it sooner and ending it before it blew up, most of the buying and selling occurred during the prior admin and the program was in place before this admin. you wouldn’t be accusing the GOP of being anti-gun now are you?

        Second…most of Obama’s money came from small donors and the 2008 election didn’t require candidates to have their own “pet billionaire” … as well…the Super Pacs and the so-called non-profits funded by money from who knows where and in what amount wasn’t prevalent as Citizen’s United hadn’t taken full effect then.

      • Flashy

        One question Rick…how does Fast and Furious indicate this administration is anti-gun?

      • TML

        Flashy says, “Second…most of Obama’s money came from small donors

        What constitutes a “small donor”? If we consider any donations $200 or less as a ‘small donor’, because The Federal Election Commission rules say that someone who gives this amount does not need to publicly disclose their name, address, occupation and employer… then that amounts to only 34%, which is certainly not ‘most’ of Obama’s money. While Obama did receive more from small donors that any other candidate during the 2008 election, ‘most’ of it was not received from “small donors”. His top contributors, however, did make up the bulk of ‘Obama’s money’, which are as follows.

        University of California $1,648,685
        Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
        Harvard University $878,164
        Microsoft Corp $852,167
        Google Inc $814,540
        JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
        Citigroup Inc $736,771
        Time Warner $624,618
        Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
        Stanford University $595,716
        National Amusements Inc $563,798
        WilmerHale LLP $550,668
        Columbia University $547,852
        Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
        UBS AG $532,674
        IBM Corp $532,372

        Also, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics Obama received just under $1 million from employees of Goldman Sachs.

        Flashy says, “the Super Pacs and the so-called non-profits … … wasn’t prevalent as Citizen’s United hadn’t taken full effect then.”

        This statement has no implications to support your assertion, because according to Federal Election Commission advisories, super PACs are not allowed to coordinate directly with candidates or political parties, and Citizens United only removed restrictions of independent political expenditures by corporations and unions, which has nothing to do with direct contributions from what I can see.

      • TML

        Flashy says, “(such as this administration being anti-gun…that claim is so false it is laughable)”

        “I just want you to know that we are working on [gun control]. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar,” President Obama told Sarah Brady, the former president of the Brady Campaign, last spring.

        From his own mouth, it doesn’t seem so laughable, does it?

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Rick….Fast and furious was implemented under the Bush II/Cheney regime”.
        Implemented? That’s funny, doesn’t Conceived come before Implemented?
        http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/07/lawmakers-grill-fast-and-furious-supervisors/

        Flashman, do you have any shame at all?
        It’s no wonder you have no credibility on this board.

      • DaveH

        Here’s another:
        http://www.economist.com/node/21543183

        But even if Flashman was being honest and the operation “Fast and Furious” was conceived in the Bush Administration, It would be even less likely that the chief law enforcement officer of the land, Eric Holder, would not have become aware of it.
        Apparently, Holder has about as much integrity as our board Sociopath, Flashman.

    • Sirian

      May be “the best gubmint $ can buy” s c but what we really need to see is one hell of a “clearance sale”! I wonder if they accept coupons? :)

  • Harold Olsen

    Years ago, in one of our local state races, the Democrat incumbent and his Republican challenger were participating in a debate, and the Republican started bringing up the Democrat’s dismal record. The Democrat got mad and screamed, “How dare you bring up my record.” He lost reelection by a landslide.

    Politicians, in both parties, with bad records always want to avoid discussing them. Obama, during the 2008 campaign tried to dictate what could and what could not be discussed about him. The media, of course, went along with him. I’m expecting him to declare his failed record as president to be off limits since he can’t defend his record. The media will, of course, go along with it, and criticize Republicans who bring it up.

    • Deerinwater

      Since he doesn’t have a failed record, I could see it being hard to defend.

      • Flashy

        Deer…i’m so looking forward to pres. obama meeting Mitt in the debates. Especially the foreign policy debate. All obama has to say is “OK Mitt…we know what i did, what would you have done differently?” and Romney is toast. Take the available options and the path taken by this administration…what were the alternatives? Without the Stimulus and had we gone the way of austerity to combat the free falling economy and developing recession…we would have dove into a Depression or followed the path of Europe…and they ain’t doing to well right now as we all know. Libya/ oh yeah…i can see Romney preaching how we should have let Qaddafi remian in power to continue to threaten us via supporting terrorists and holding oil out as a weapon. China? OK Mitt…you tell us. LOL Iran? You can’t ratchet down the sanctions any further than what they are and we’re messin’ with their computers so much they had to shut down their one oil export refinery. N’ Korea? ummmm…the last parade they had fake missile on parade and the last four rockets blew up. Immigration? illegal immigration has DROPPED and deportation INCREASED.

        yep….the debates are gonna be fun to watch.

    • BigBadJohn

      “Politicians, in both parties, with bad records always want to avoid discussing them. Obama, during the 2008 campaign tried to dictate what could and what could not be discussed about him.”

      ALL politicians try to control what is discussed about them. GWB was the absolute most successful at it. Look up Jeff Gannon, there was scandal that was ignored by MSM. If ANY democrat had been in the white house there would have been hearings, inquiries and probably impeachment over it. Yet with Bush as president – you heard nary a word…..

      • s c

        HOW do you explain Obummer’s prolonged, SUSTAINED silence, comrade bj? Kinda hard, isn’t it? By the way, comrade, your utopian pants are down around your ankles – again.

        • Deerinwater

          Who is the “Utopian”? The person that wants Government as it was before Edison invented the light bulb or the man that accepts the fact that people tend to offer their prettiest face to the most flattering light?

          Of the two men, only one is clearly a “Dreamer”

  • GALT

    Wow, Brian that is a predicament for you, isn’t it? Of course, it’s is not so much them catching on…….but whether you will. After all the art of saying nothing as a politician, is the art of being a politician…….ultimately, success is not appearing to be a threat to any specific voting bloc or interest. This leaves you the option of attempting to slant the nothing they do say to favor whatever your political bias happens to be.

    When they actually say nothing…..you are now limited to pointing that out, which really doesn’t make for an interesting future for you, does it?

  • Deerinwater

    It is true, this general election will focus on Senatorial races. That’s the bottleneck that restricting meaningful reform today.

    • Flashy

      Deer…question for you (and everyone else for that matter). In your opinion, given the many statements made in this forum day after day about the incumbents needing to be voted out, what do you think the % is of people here voting against the incumbent if it would mean voting for a Democrat? How many do you think will vote against the incumbent if he/she is “primaried”? And how many do you think are talking smack and will vote for the incumbent because ‘they’re doing a good job and it’s everyone else’s Rep/Sen that are the fault” ?

      • BigBadJohn

        Neither of my senators are up for reelection, one is democrat and one is republican – given the choice I vote against BOTH of them. However, at least the democrat responds when I write, the republican has NEVER responded. I would be interested in hearing other peoples experience when writing their senators.

        My congressman is a democrat and I would not vote against him. In my opinion, he has voted correctly on every issue that I have written to express concern. NDAA not only did he vote against it, he wrote formal complaint to congress about it.

      • Rick

        You have this point ight. That is why we continue to have so many idiots and losers in congress. We need a total revamping of the cngressional system. Starting with term limits. Then end the lifetime pension for them and make them participate in Social Security and not have their own special program.Then wwee also need campaign reform including Make it that only registered votercan contribute 0only to a candidate. and only a limited amount like $ 1000. No corprate money no PACs no party money and ever contributer must be reported or they are penalized the amount. These changes with force them to talk about issues not not waste money on the smear campaigns since they will not have so much money to waste.

      • Deerinwater

        “what do you think the % is of people here voting against the incumbent if it would mean voting for a Democrat? How many do you think will vote against the incumbent if he/she is “primaried”? And how many do you think are talking smack and will vote for the incumbent because ‘they’re doing a good job and it’s everyone else’s Rep/Sen that are the fault” ?”

        There is only maybe 4 to 7% of Livingston’s audience that would vote for a Democrat under any circumstance. Most are hardwired GOP regardless what they say, there is nothing independent about them. 96 to 93% will vote for whom ever the GOP offers them and willing to hold their nose.

        The Libertarians do not actually have a viable “party” , they are a scattered few that oppose government in most of it’s manifested forms, the true Utopian it seems as they call you the Utopian. lol! Seeming to suggest we might all be free to blaze trails like Charles Goodnight driving his herd to market. In this day and time as romantic and appealing as that might seem, Libertarian principals most problematic in application today. They can speak of it all day but actually applying it another matter in a Nation of 327 million people and a land mass of 36 million 18,780 thousand sq mi. and only half of them paying Federal taxes. Barbwire and right of ways are things we can’t ignore and there a lot more of both today.

        I’d like to think that you and I and some of the others have made some difference with our activity here, if so ~ it’s been marginal at best and hard fought. But as Ron Paul has shown us, don’t get discouraged with poor results. Worthy opposition makes us only stronger.

        Unfortunately the harder you bear down on many of them, the more they retreat into name calling and demagoguery and nothing gets solved, understood and little is gained. If you lucky they will supply you a link to their favorite Grue that been feeding their head.

        This is little more then Mining, going through material by the tonnage to extract precious ounces of knowledge. It’s slow digging but I’ve enjoyed some of they eminently and learned so things in the process.

      • DaveH

        DeerInHeadlights makes one of his usual ignorant statements — “The Libertarians do not actually have a viable “party” , they are a scattered few that oppose government in most of it’s manifested forms, the true Utopian it seems as they call you the Utopian. lol!”
        From Mirriam Webster:
        Utopia: A place of ideal perfection, especially in laws, government, and social conditions.

        How would one achieve “perfection”? Even if possible, only by Force. People aren’t perfect, and that’s exactly what Libertarians recognize. Therefore we know that Government people aren’t perfect and could never be expected to know what’s best for the rest of us. That’s why we see the futility in Big Government. They not only CAN’T know what’s best for the rest of us, but the inclination in Leadership is to grow their Power and Perks, so being the ordinary human beings that they are, they are going to concentrate on feathering their own nests first at the expense of the rest of us.
        Unlike starry-eyed ignorant Liberals, we Libertarians understand the reality of the human condition. So we advocate simple and few laws that the vast majority of people would understand and obey, instead of the complex laws which most people aren’t even aware of and aren’t likely to obey anyway — Like ignorant Liberals advocate. And we advocate much smaller Government that the people can keep an eye on, unlike the Gargantuan Corrupt Government that thrives on the control instincts of ignorant people.

        • Deerinwater

          “How would one achieve “perfection”? Even if possible, only by Force”

          David what on Gods green earth makes you so sure about that? Where did you get that idea? where did it come from? Did you read that somewhere or come up with it on your own?

          I’ll offer more attention to you response tomorrow.

      • DaveH

        I get that idea, DeerInHeadlights, because my eyes are wide-open to reality. How else do you get a population of people with different skill-sets, different aspirations, different needs, and different efforts to abide by the same unnecessary rules that they don’t agree with? All the Propanda in the world won’t accomplish that goal, only the Force of Big Government.

      • DaveH

        Propaganda.

      • Deerinwater

        “Propaganda.” ???? ~ It’s called “Dominion” David.

        You will serve somebody in you efforts ~ or in spite of your efforts to serve yourself David.

        Where it’s my propaganda or your propaganda or someone else’s, it’s still propaganda , the selling to manifested a reality.

        I understand that you hate the fact that you must serve somebody besides yourself but Ayn Rand is not here to help you see that as even a remote possibility. Someone will benefit from your activities, ambitions, achievements, desires and even your final demise. The only uncertainly is “whom” David.

        But this “notion” that someone must lose in order for there to be a winner is a mental sickness that seem to have overwhelmed and over taken so many of us today.

        There is nothing odd or strange about a win/win situation, it’s rooted in notions of equitable fairness and found in the foundation of free enterprise. What seems to be happening today is “equitable fairness” is being replaced with extortion. Too big to fail, to remove the parasite, we place the “host” in Jeopardy. We are being sold a disease on the cheap while the cure much more costly. Trapped! held hostage by a prison of our own making.

        It does not really matter who steals your money David, government or corporate greed. The end results is much the same. The money end up in the same pockets at the end of the day.

        But David, your “reality” is just that ~ “Yours”. Government is bad! God is bad! sure! of course ! you get no argument from me. At any given moment we’ve all felt that way at times but neither one is going away. Learning how to react to God and government serves us best. They both want dominion, they will have dominion while I trust neither anymore then necessary. I ask for little help and that’s usually what I get, accepting it as maybe more then I actually deserve.

        You are entitled too and deserve whatever “reality” you have created for yourself. What ever your wildest dreams and imagination perceive and can construct. But don’t attempt to tell all of us, that you David have the final say in what “reality” is and is not.

        Why limit others with your lacking while suggesting it’s infinite and absolute while clearly it’s purely academic.

        Where you surrender dominion or not is no skin off my nose, but unless you are completely mad, you will one day accept that your already have and your argument superfluous null and void.

        No one here has spoken thoughts of perfection but you and those that employ the term Utopia. It’s only you and your like minded friends that use this “label” and for you and your friends to stand accountable for the use of it.

        There is no one here who needs to defend it’s use but you and your friend.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

    Debates are only good if honest candidates participate and Mitt is no different than OBAMA just wants to appear to be different. I ONLY TRUST RON PAUL.

    KATRAEL,has been trying to discredit me in other posts…but we need to discuss POLICY OPTIONS and why candidates dont wish to be bound up in real policy…maybe because they have nothing new to offer…thats why I say if your going to talk the talk you support RON PAUL otherwise give it away and let OBAMA in for another term.

    A great deal of what many of you say is totally correct that wealth usually comes from unfetted free enterprise, HOWEVER the corruption within government of offering contracts to many corporations using government tax revenues has put your and many other nations in deficit from , THEY ARE LIVING OFF TAXES TOO. CORPORATE WELFARE IF YOU WILL. Those corporations who rely on government contracts for military purchases and roads and other essentials are not living directly of free enterprise activities. And many of your unemployed are living on government welfare so they can purchase food from your farms. So do you wish taxes to reduce after stopping food stamps and social welfare or stop money for roads or military wages?

    Americas problems seem to stem from a belief that no one should pay taxes and that all government departments should close down except for the military and the police. No one wants to pay any tax and Republicans supporters most especially dont want to share their wealth with anyone. They believe that they have worked hard using their skills to build and operate a business which is earning them an income and profit and why should they have to share that with others and strangers at that, as afterall our profits are due to our hard work and skills at using cheap labor in America or the Asian countries and not due to government policies or the poorer being given money to buy our food and goods using food stamps.

    Oh No, our businesses run independantly to the American economy and we dont need others to steal our money through taxation. We want the lazy unemployed masses to beg and sleep under bridges or the streets and not be supported by government handouts. We want poor americans to camp out in our bus stations and parks and beg for food and if they get too desparate and dare to try to steal food then the police can put them in concentration camps where they can earn their keep and food by breaking rocks for road construction companies who charge tolls for using their roads. Why should your poor be offered work for a reasonable wage if we can employ workers from China at $1 per hour. We only want to sell cars to other business people who can afford our high priced Ford motor vehicles and the poor can just learn to walk instead or get a bike. Charity is only optional if the churches themselves can get donations from other silly people who want to offer food and shelter to the miilions of poor who will be sleeping in doorways and camping along rivers and parks and really who cares if they die freezing to death…they not our problem and certainly not the American way and certainly not the Christian way of doing things…nowhere in the bible does it say we should help the poor and disadvantaged, the lazy and the weak. Oh no we want to keep our money in gold.and not houses which might have desparate and dangerous squatters living in them who cant afford to pay rent because they cant even afford to buy food after the Republican government scraps the food stamp program. .

    Everyone needs to pay taxes to keep your economy going and its up to your representatives who you been voting in for the last 300 years to do what the majority wants them to do even if you as an individual or a group do not agree with the results.. That’s life, but some of you guys can’t accept the results of every one of your elections and continue to be bad losers when your party does not win.You act in a treasonous way with what some of you and your representative do against the good running of your elected or part majority elected government. I don’t blame you for being that way as it is the nature of men who have strong political beliefs and I myself do it sometimes too. Every time you have an election the losers complain that they could do it better and when they do win…THEY DO LITTLE to improve your economic situation.

    Taxes cannot be apportioned according to some fair sharing system…it does not work that way. , Unfortunately your economy is not structured to suddenly cut expenditure programs to counterbalance lower taxes, that instant program will put your economy into a much worse situation than your in now…it will nosedive and gold prices will rise substantially for the benefit of traders and the major holders of gold such as the Asians.

    Those of you who might like to make more money out of such a scenario would in my opinion be unpatriotic to wish to profit from the demise of everyone else in your community

    The reality is that your economy cannot operate without more people or corporations paying higher taxes if you want things to remain the same which is what Mitt Romney is offering…and so get on with it and pay more income taxes or pay more by losing everything in your financial collapse..I CANT PUT IT IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE. iF YOU PAY MORE TAXES, THEN YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY AND GET TO KEEP WHAT YOU OWN NOW. LOOK AT THE SO CALLED SMART GREEKS…HOW SMART ARE THEY NOW??? DO YOU WISH TO FOLLOW IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS TOO?? JUST THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CONTINUAL EGO BICKERING IN CONGRESS. ITS A TOTAL DISGRACE…

    AND UNTIL YOU REPUBLICANS SUPPORT BY NOMINATING DR RON PAUL , then i’m going to believe that they too agree that more people are going to need to pay higher taxes to balance your budget. There are only TWO solutions…DR RON PAUL OR OBAMA. Mitt is just another Obama just another Democrat in sheeps clothing. So basically when you Republicans become honest by supporting honest candidates like Ron Paul…then I,ll believe your talk. Until then I DONT BELIEVE ANYONE EXCEPT RON PAUL

    I ONLY BELIEVE IN DR RON PAUL.

    • Norm

      The comedian, Colbert, has a greater chance of being elected.

      • DaveH

        What is your Liberal beef with Ron Paul, Norm?
        He would let you gamble your fortune away, if you pleased.
        He would let you drug yourself into a stupor, if you pleased.
        He would let you sleep with all the prostitutes you could buy, if you pleased.
        Ron Paul would let you do all the irresponsible things your Liberal heart desires, Norm.
        So what could you possibly have against him?
        Oh yeah, he wouldn’t let you Force other people to carry you on their shoulders after you did all those irresponsible things. How mean of him.

      • Norm

        DAVEH
        I agree with Ron on military spending and American imperialism. Many of his other ideas, although I disagree with them, would actually serve me well, due to lower taxes and less intrusion into my life. But living in the 18th century with laws based on a life span of 40 years or so and totally obsolete technology is ridiculous.
        But the point is simply that he has no chance of being elected.

      • DaveH

        So you choose to live in the 17th century and prior, where the rule of the day is subjugation of the people by Big Government, Norm?
        Freedom was the rare exception, Norm, up to the 18th century. And Freedom doesn’t have an expiration date, except in the minds of wanna-be dictators and their ignorant followers.

      • DaveH

        The fact that I’ve heard several of the board Liberals dissing Freedom as some sort of Primitive policy, tells me a couple of things:
        1) It is obviously a manipulative propaganda effort that is being spread by Controlling Progressives to sway those with weak minds.
        2) It is a tacit admission by the Progressives that they disdain the concept of Freedom, even though many of the Progressive Leaders use the word frequently to manipulate ignorant citizens into accepting their dictatorial rule which is anything BUT Freedom.

        Don’t let them kid you, Folks. Socialism, the stepping stone to Communism (Karl Marx), which Progressives adore, has been a failure wherever it has been fully practiced.
        See here for real-life experience with Big Government Meddling. Look up the Economic figures for those with the Biggest Governments (bottom of list), and see for yourselves what Bigger Government brings to ordinary citizens’ lives:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

    • DaveH

      I like that about you, Gilly.

  • Norm

    Flip Romney gave one of his better speeches on Tuesday after winning several primaries and sewing up the nomination from the GOP for Pres.
    The interesting thing is that while it was full of criticisms of current policies, and engulfed great platitudes and lofty goals, it contained not 1 iota of detail as to how improvement was going to occur.
    Typical of the last 3+ years of Republican negativity, it offered no realistic solutions.
    Every sane person wants to create jobs and balance the federal budget. Everyone knows that Social Security and Medicare need to continue in one form or another. Everyone knows the present healthcare system is overpriced and less than optimal.
    The Devil, as they say, is in the details. Romney has been on every side of virtually every issue, and right now is not going past the usual “the other guy is all wrong” rhetoric.

    • DaveH

      Certainly I don’t support Romney.
      But I can’t let Norm get away with his nonsense.
      Norm says — “Every sane person wants to create jobs and balance the federal budget. Everyone knows that Social Security and Medicare need to continue in one form or another. Everyone knows the present healthcare system is overpriced and less than optimal”.
      “Sane” people, Norm, can learn from experience instead of repeating the same follies over and over (Progressivism) and expecting different results. “Sane” people know that Government doesn’t create productive jobs — it destroys productive jobs by taking money from the real producers and handing it out to the non-producers (mostly the Leaders and their Pals). And “Sane” people know that Politicians naturally want to spend other peoples’ money because it buys them votes from the ignorant people who think they are being benefited by the Government theft, so the thing Politicians care least about is balancing their budgets.
      And Everyone (with any brains) knows that Social Security is downright theft. Imagine, for instance, that your next door neighbor who is an investment professional takes your money to invest for “your own good” and against your will. You wouldn’t like that would you? So, morally, it is wrong for Government (just people like your next door neighbor) to forcefully take your money “for your own good”. But suppose that, like a Liberal, you don’t have any morality. What then? Well, then you must face the fact that Government has NOT invested your money wisely. In fact the Social Security Fund contains only Government IOUs, that is Government Bonds or Bills or Notes. So, if and when our Government runs out of other peoples’ money, what will your forced “investment” be worth? Who will come to your rescue when you are old and infirm and dependent on the bankrupt Government?
      And the present healthcare system is “overpriced” because Government has been meddling in the Healthcare business (as with most others) for many decades now. What else can we expect prices to do when disinterested Bureaucrats, with secure jobs and paid with taxpayer money, are intervening in the Doctor/Patient relationships?
      Here are some real solutions to the Healthcare problems:
      http://mises.org/daily/3643

      And Norm, you have been hanging around this board for too long not to have learned some reality, so the only conclusion I can come to is that you are profiting from Big Government at the rest of our expense.

      • Deerinwater

        Hmm? Guess it depends on what you call productive David. Government has the capacity to make jobs and create both personal and public wealth. I could rebuke you assertion ALLLLLLL DAY long but you still wouldn’t get it, so I give you only 7 minutes of my time.

        If you are one to believe as most of us do, ‘that there is huge amounts of money ‘involved politics’ why do you think that is? Gains in personal wealth! This split between republican and democrats is little more the deciding “who” gets the most and who gets the least. Who’s interest is best served. What will be the focus and who will benefit and who will not.

        Labor force

        Workers on a “Jumbo Rig”; used for drilling Hoover Dam’s tunnels.
        Soon after the dam was authorized, increasing numbers of unemployed converged on southern Nevada. Las Vegas, then a small city of some 5,000, saw between 10,000 and 20,000 unemployed descend on it.[27] A government camp was established for surveyors and other personnel near the dam site; this soon became surrounded by a squatters’ camp. Known as McKeeversville, the camp was home to men hoping for work on the project, together with their families.[28] Another camp, on the flats along the Colorado River, was officially called Williamsville, but was known to its inhabitants as Ragtown.[29] Once construction began, Six Companies hired large numbers of workers, with more than 3,000 on the payroll by 1932[30] and with employment peaking at 5,251 in July 1934.[31] “Mongolian” (Chinese) labor was forbidden by the construction contract,[31] while the number of blacks employed by Six Companies never exceeded thirty, mostly lowest-pay-scale laborers in a segregated crew,
        Bolder Dam was a Government venture.

        On December 21, 1928 President Coolidge signed the bill authorizing the dam.[18] The Boulder Canyon Project Act appropriated $165 million for the Hoover Dam along with the downstream Imperial Dam and All-American Canal, a replacement for Beatty’s canal entirely on the U.S. side of the border.[19] It also permitted the compact to go into effect when at least six of the seven states approved it. This occurred on March 6, 1929 with Utah’s ratification; Arizona did not approve it until 1944.[20]
        Design, preparation and contracting

        Hoover Dam architectural plans
        Even before Congress approved the Boulder Canyon Project, the Bureau of Reclamation was considering what kind of dam should be used. Officials eventually decided on a massive concrete arch-gravity dam, the design of which was overseen by the Bureau’s chief design engineer John L. Savage. The monolithic dam would be thick at the bottom and thin near the top, and would present a convex face towards the water above the dam. The curving arch of the dam would transmit the water’s force into the abutments, in this case the rock walls of the canyon. The wedge-shaped dam would be 660 ft (200 m) thick at the bottom, narrowing to 45 ft (14 m) at the top, leaving room for a highway connecting Nevada and Arizona.[21]
        On January 10, 1931, the Bureau made the bid documents available to interested parties, at five dollars a copy. The government was to provide the materials; but the contractor was to prepare the site and build the dam. The dam was described in minute detail, covering 100 pages of text and 76 drawings. A $2 million bid bond was to accompany each bid; the winner would have to post a $5 million performance bond. The contractor had seven years to build the dam, or penalties would ensue.[22]

        The Panama Canal was a government venture

        French construction, 1881–1889
        In 1880, the first attempt to construct a sea-level canal began under the leadership of Ferdinand de Lesseps, builder of the Suez Canal, with substantial financing and support from Paris. The French effort went bankrupt after reportedly spending USD $287,000,000, and was largely abandoned by 1890. The Suez Canal was built in a much more benign environment but still took 10 years to complete its 102-mile length, about twice that of the Panama Canal. The French, under Ferdinand de Lesseps, began construction on a sea-level (i.e., without locks) canal through what was then Colombia’s province of Panama, on January 1, 1880. The French rushed to begin work, with insufficient prior study of the geology and hydrology of the region.[8] Excavation was conducted at such a steep angle that, in some years, rain-induced landslides poured nearly as much material into the canal as had been removed.[9]

        1890–1903
        At this time, various parties[who?] in the United States were interested in establishing a canal across the isthmus, with some favoring a route across Nicaragua (see Nicaragua Canal and Ecocanal) and others advocating the purchase of the French interests in Panama. A U.S. engineering panel was commissioned to study the potential of building the canal and recommended a sea-level canal to President Theodore Roosevelt. This canal design was recommended to President Theodore Roosevelt by Chief Engineer John Frank Stevens and was agreed to by him. The 115 feet (35 m)-high Gatun Dam, would create both the largest dam and the largest man-made lake (Gatun Lake) in the world at that time. In the end, a canal that operated with an elevated reservoir and a system of three locks to raise ships above sea level to Gatun Lake, and then lower them on the opposite ocean with another set of three locks, was seen as much less expensive, faster to build, and more feasible in design than the original vision of a sea-level canal. The water to fill and empty the locks would be taken from Gatun Lake by opening and closing enormous gates and valves and letting gravity propel the water from the lake. Gatun Lake would connect to the Pacific through the mountains at the Gaillard (Culebra) Cut.
        Eventually, in June 1902, the U.S. Senate voted in favor of pursuing the Panamanian option, provided the necessary rights could be obtained. (It is claimed that the vote was swayed by William Nelson Cromwell.[11])

        On January 22, 1903, the Hay-Herran Treaty was signed by United States Secretary of State John M. Hay and Dr. Tomás Herrán of Colombia. It would have granted the United States a renewable lease in perpetuity from Colombia on the land proposed for the canal.

        Labor force

        Workers on a “Jumbo Rig”; used for drilling Hoover Dam’s tunnels.
        Soon after the dam was authorized, increasing numbers of unemployed converged on southern Nevada. Las Vegas, then a small city of some 5,000, saw between 10,000 and 20,000 unemployed descend on it.[27] A government camp was established for surveyors and other personnel near the dam site; this soon became surrounded by a squatters’ camp. Known as McKeeversville, the camp was home to men hoping for work on the project, together with their families.[28] Another camp, on the flats along the Colorado River, was officially called Williamsville, but was known to its inhabitants as Ragtown.[29] Once construction began, Six Companies hired large numbers of workers, with more than 3,000 on the payroll by 1932[30] and with employment peaking at 5,251 in July 1934.[31] “Mongolian” (Chinese) labor was forbidden by the construction contract,[31] while the number of blacks employed by Six Companies never exceeded thirty, mostly lowest-pay-scale laborers in a segregated crew,[

      • DaveH

        DeerInHeadlights says — “Hmm? Guess it depends on what you call productive David. Government has the capacity to make jobs and create both personal and public wealth. I could rebuke you assertion ALLLLLLL DAY long but you still wouldn’t get it, so I give you only 7 minutes of my time”.
        I said Productive Jobs, Deer. Sure they can create jobs, but to do that they have to take the money from the private sector where the money is employed much more efficiently. Government involvement in creating jobs is a logical failure. Nobody with any education and an open mind could argue that Government employees, who are virtually guaranteed jobs, and who gain nothing by being innovative, and who lose nothing by being screw-ups, are going to work as hard and be as polite to their customers as would their private-sector counterparts. And Government job creation has been an experiential failure (you know, experience is the best teacher). Witness Amtrak, the Post Office, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the many other Government failures.
        You can rebuke me all day long, Deer, because you are an ignorant Liberal who wouldn’t admit his ignorance no matter how much evidence I provided to prove it.
        Perhaps if you read this book, it would wake you up. But I doubt it, because you are either sucking at the Government teet, or after spending numerous years being an ignorant Liberal you would be too prideful to read and learn how ignorant you have been:
        http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

      • DaveH

        And Deer,
        You can cut and paste stories of all the Government ventures you want and it would be meaningless unless they are compared to equivalent private ventures and all costs are fully disclosed (something you won’t get with Government involvement).
        The proof is in the pudding. The countries with the Biggest Governments (in relation to their population size) are also the countries with the Worst Economies. See here:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

      • DaveH

        Also, Deer, you might explain to the readers how Government with 20 million “productive” employees spends 42% of the GDP? That’s less than 7% of the population spending 42% of our economy.
        And you might also answer this — Why, if the Government can create productive jobs, must they take 32% of our GDP (total taxes), and borrow and spend another 10% of the GDP? Why can’t they just be self-sufficient like the private sector which they pillage?

      • DaveH

        I might add that Boulder Dam was one of Hoover’s many Public Works Projects to get us out of the Depression. Did it work? Of course not.

      • Deerinwater

        DavidH say;
        “Sane” people know that Government doesn’t create productive jobs — it destroys productive jobs by taking money from the real producers and handing it out to the non-producers”

        “I said Productive Jobs, Deer. Sure they can create jobs, but to do that they have to take the money from the private sector where the money is employed much more efficiently.”

        Okay, then David, you admit that Government “does create” jobs and personal wealth and now you are trying to tell us they just not productive job. So you are saying the City of Los Vegas and its population and all the River authorities’ good work in the state of Nevada are nonproductive efforts? That the Panama Canal took money away from people and gave back nothing in return. You are telling us that Panama Canal is not creating private a personal wealth as well as tax revenue and has been since it’s completion?

        So you are some kind of efficiency business expert now? First you say government does not create productive jobs and now it’s efficiency that’s your concern?

        “You can cut and paste stories of all the Government ventures you want and it would be meaningless unless they are compared to equivalent private ventures and all costs are fully disclosed (something you won’t get with Government involvement).”

        I could for sure, be days at it~ but as I said earlier David, ~ I’m budgeting my time addressing your foolishness and immature notions about business and business matters. I know I can’t reach you but I can expose your foolishness and fallacy for what it is.

        You only know what you’ve read and absorb only what feeds your personal insecurities. You are attempting to talk the talk while never walked the walk. Or to say , “All hat and no Cattle” You might have ran a snow cone stand when you could stand up.

        The proof is in the pudding “ There would be no “PUDDING” David only merchants, family businesses, highwaymen, bandit, pirate and victims.

        There are no private ventures to compare David. You don’t really believe some sheep herder was losing stock and decided in his spare time he’d construct the Great Wall of China to keep them together do you? You don’t believe some old farmer had some drainage problems and dug the Suez Canal do you?

        There would be no large scale human endeavors under your Libertarian government David. A single person that powerful would be a serious threat to all. If I was that powerful, why should I put up with the likes of you? You’d go along, be quite or disappear. If you were that powerful why would you put up with the like of anyone like me?

        People that manage to reach the top, stay at the top. Putting a well place boot on your neck and preventing you from standing erect to compete is more then just academic, it’s a promise.

        Today, they have government doing it for them and just calling them “Libertarians” , “Democrats” or “Republicans” only changes the size of that boot and anyone is foolish to think otherwise. Would you prefer a size 10 1/2 democrat or 13 republican or a 11 libertarian?

  • Norm

    DEFINITION OF HIPOCRACY:

    “Mitt Romney has earned the Republican Presidential nomination through hard-work, a strong organization, and disciplined message of restoring America after nearly four years of failed job-killing policies from President Obama and his administration,” Gov. Rick Perry said in a statement, according to ABC.

    In his first one-on-one national TV interview since kicking off his presidential campaign, Texas Gov. Rick Perry referred to Mitt Romney as “Obama lite” and charged that the former Massachusetts governor is blurring lines between Republicans and Democrats.

  • http://N/A HapHarris

    The United States is being stolen from you and right before your very eyes.Today you are an American in name only. Your politicians are schooled in the art of confusing you, bewildering you, and stupefying you while practicing their “gotcha games” on behalf of the Criminal Global Elite Banksters. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights have been flushed down the Memory Hole. AND,,,,You are about to get more than just a taste of the New World Order. They will soon find reason to declare Marshal Law. Then they will be knocking on your door to confiscate any firearms you may have. At this moment there are Russian Military being trained at Fort Carson in how to assist them in “Fighting Terrorism.” Just note: We are the Terrorists. If you still have any Patriotism in your belly, you might want to consider joining a well organize Militia.

  • boyscout

    What better policy than a hidden agenda so as not to confuse the issues with facts. Nash has it pretty well covered.

  • carolinerh

    People, they are our employees, so let’s fire them! KISS (Keep It Simple, Sweetheart (or Stupid). Why do they think they are privileged? Because we let them do everything on their own for their own and never for us. Hidden agendas mean they consent to the evils created, adopted, accepted, and like working against us. Simple. Vote them out or get them recalled, or impeached. Make our lives safer and happier, and let them try and get REAL work anywhere and definitely won’t with hidden agendas and blocking our access to what is always should be public (that’s you and me) information. Talk here won’t change a thing; only being proactive against these supposed “representatives in government” will get them out, information out, and our America back on track. They are arrogant due to our lack of diligence. We need to man up and take back our governments at every level and kick butts!

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    Deerinwater and flashy, two Muslim loving communists who love Obamination for whom he really is, a Kenyan born Sunni Muslim, Communist from an all Communist Sunni Muslim Family, who hates the United States, Whites, our Constitution, our Congress, who is not Black because for you idiots his Mother (fkr) was White that makes him a Crazed Half Breed. His hiring of 55 Radical America Hating Muslim/Communist/Socialists proves he is an Idiot Marxist and Bill ayres of Weather Underground Fame is a Radical America hater who help murder a police officer and blew up schools, banks and police stations and put a Communist and a Radical Socialist in the Supreme Court. Obamination has not held up one of his promises and the stimulis $872 Billion produced only one thing save his buddies and buy the union vote by giving the Union 51% of a legal private Corporation which is against the Constitution, our laws and he did not have the right to do so and what he did was called Facism which after Mussilini was hung Italy banned forever. General Motors and Chrysler would have survived under chapter 13 Re-organization and would not have cost the American Tax Payers hundreds of billions of dollars and we would not have taken the money that rightfully belonged to the people that had invested in General Motors. Why you two idiots want Communism is beyond me since it only enslave the people and has never worked unless you like the way people were treated in Russia, North Korea and China and many other nations who murder their people just for talking against them.

    • Deerinwater

      I don’t love or hold too tight to very many things, certainly not presidents or political dogma that been bastardized and regurgitated by so many dimwits so many times it’s difficult to understand their demagoguery beyond an occasional fart joke.

      Why don’t you put a sock in it trooper and vote your vote and don’t attempt to tell other people what they love?

      I’ll tell you what I’ve no use for, ~ flag waving idiots that think I might owe him something. Why don’t you just display your service number or were you with one of the dancing girly shows from the Philippians ?

  • BigBadJohn

    Good Post!

    “The reality is that your economy cannot operate without more people or corporations paying higher taxes if you want things to remain the same which is what Mitt Romney is offering…and so get on with it and pay more income taxes or pay more by losing everything in your financial collapse..I CANT PUT IT IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE. iF YOU PAY MORE TAXES, THEN YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY AND GET TO KEEP WHAT YOU OWN NOW. ”

    Something that most people here refuse to look at is history! The first thing that Clinton did was RAISE TAXES. By getting us closer to balanced budget, the dollar got stronger and we had the longest stretch of prosperity in history!

    But somehow folks here are convinced that cutting taxes is the right thing to do. Again looking at history, Reagan cut taxes for the rich and we had THREE recessions and he tripled the national debt. Bush cut taxes and increased the deficit by 1000% and doubled the national debt. Which of course crashed the value of the dollar and led the the worst recession since the great depression.

    “Debates are only good if honest candidates participate and Mitt is no different than OBAMA just wants to appear to be different. I ONLY TRUST RON PAUL.”

    AGREE

    • BigBadJohn

      This is a reply to Gillysroom, not sure why it did not show up as a reply????

  • http://Sondra Sondra Clark

    As Ron Paul said at one of the so called debates-What are we arguing about, we all take the same oath-bet he said it tongue-in-cheek. There will never be an obama/Paul debate because Ron Paul’s adherence to the Contitution is not debatable. How can We the People help-by demanding the temporary hired help [they begged for the jobs] obey the oath they took to support & defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign & domestic or step down.
    Just got back online after a year off & it’s so good to see so many standing up for truth, freedom and Ron Paul

  • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

    As far as I know Ron Paul hasn’t avoided any questions pertaining to politics. The problem is the people can handle milk but not meat. Ron Paul tells it like it is.

    “In the beginning of change, the patroit is a scarce and brave man, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it cost nothing to be a patriot”…Mark Twain

  • FreedomFighter

    Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God. We are the resistance

    Laus Deo
    Semper fi

    • DaveH

      Resistance to tyranny is just good common sense to anybody who doesn’t want to end up with a country that economically is like those at the bottom of this list:
      http://heritage.org/index/ranking

      It would be nice though, FF, if people would just practice morality simply because it’s the right thing to do to be respectful of our fellow human beings and to let them live their lives the way they choose as long as they don’t encroach on the bodies and property of others.

      • FreedomFighter

        Agree

        Funny thing is thats what god wants too.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

  • ranger hall

    Nothing new, WHO in the world said Politicians WORK FOR US, Baby these people work for themselves and the Powers to Be. Just try and FIRE one of them, NO we have to wait and see if we can VOTE them out. So much for these people working for us.Garbage IN No Garbage OUT.
    Yes just leave it up to these People to Run your Country. Example NO DECENTJOBS, FOOD and FUEL,MEDICAL COSTS, Everything the People need to live has continued to RISE, Govt Fees on the Rise, Folks you people talk in terms of 4-8 yrs Im talking about the past 30 years.
    People the Politicians has been running this Country into the Ground for a VERY long time and you just cant seem getting past one election to the other. Folks without decent paying jobs in this Country you have no middle Class,,Except Govt employees. When 49% of the People receive money from the Govt, YOU no longer have a free country, YOU have a dictatorship. As more people use up their savings IF they have any, They will soon have to depend on the Govt Programs to live, You would think that in a bad economy the things people need to live would also decress same as their earnings have, The Govt, the food supply,TThe Fuel, the Medical,Etc that people need.
    A friend went to a dentist the other day, hes retired 71 yrs old, Draws his SS, no other income, had a few problems A couple pulled, 2 crowns, something else. 5000.00. his ins only paid less than half.

  • ranger hall

    The people have not resisted anything for 200 years, Why do you thing they are going to change anything Now.

  • gemmom

    It seems to me that Obama has done more than enough this year. Just take a look at all his Executive Orders. Why should Congress be busy when he has taken over. You people are being duped. It’s a shame to see Democrats backing and supporting it, while Republicans are sitting there doing nothing about it. I think both parties have strayed from the original purpose We The People chose to accept when we accepted The Constitution. Neither party seems to be on watch for the enemy that lurks from within. It never dawned on people that the enemy is: those who forgot what our country was supposed to be all about. We weren’t supposed to be a Socialist System. We weren’t supposed to have a president that could declare power over individual citizens like a communist regime where soldiers could come to your home and take your food and rape your daughters when ever they feel like it. This is all wrong folks. I don’t see a war in our country going on, except for a war of good and evil. And unless our Arab Muslim president thinks there is going to be a war on our soil, then maybe Congress should sit up and take notice and ask “what the hell is going on here?” Then they need to get their heads out of their asses and do something about it, and make some good choices for a change – which is the change America really wanted in case some ignorant folk didn’t know – where good choices are made for the benefit of the people (the American people – not minorities that keep crying racist crap) and good is done instead of destruction. I do believe wayward presidents have caused damage to our system of freedom, as they have chosen to follow such plans as the Cloward – Piven Strategy, etc. I can’t imagine any president wanting to hurt an economy or force people into poverty, and then place a fake health care law onto the people with higher taxes and burdens. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that these presidents have actually been hurting America rather than seeing to its better good.
    And as for other countries that the U.S. has helped rather than damaged…most people in these countries agree that the U.S. made a better life for them. It’s only the religious fanatics that say the U.S. hurt their country or their people. When our country goes in and fights governments that enforce bitter cruelty on its own people and stops other governments from killing innocent people all because they are totalitarian and have no respect for freedom of choice, how can anyone say the U.S. did wrong?
    The fight will and should continue to better our world, but we need to start right here in our great country first. If this nation’s citizens could see the damage our Democrat politicians have been doing, there would never be a Democrat voted in again. Kennedy and Clinton to start with, have caused much damage. They forgot what being a loyal American means, and they forgot what kinds of government brings true freedom. These guys have been importing Muslims and Mexicans and people from as many countries as they can for votes and for increased control of our government. It is becoming clear that what they are after is an elitist group of people controlling this nation. It’s not what American people really want. – they want the freedom and dignity they once had before these men took office. And so if this is the fight our president is preparing for, may God bless this nation that it will not fall into the hands of the elitist totalitarians. May our country be free forever – but it starts with the people in doing their part – they must be willing to vote the elitists out and want our country to get back on the right track again. Our economy can improve, there can be world peace, but only with the right people in charge, and that aint the ones that are in charge right now who are doing the opposite, and are suppressing us and bringing down our economy and our currency. Do what’s right and be a better people. America can do alot better than what we are seeing right now. Do what’s right.

    • Thinking About

      Where did you get your information Obama is Arab?

    • Clara Raye

      Besides that comment of Obama being a Muslim, you are spot on! Please don’t ruin the message by putting in personal feelings; just state the facts. Adding your personal feelings will just make people not take you seriously because the critics will only concentrate on the negativity to distract others from looking at and listening to the point you are trying to make..

  • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

    What’s to ignore? FDR said it all wqhen he said…”When you hear or see something going on in politics, it’s not knew. You can just bet it was planned that way”. All that we see is the results of politicians plans being carried out. The only thing new is the history you haven’t read yet.

    • Clara Raye

      The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
      Patrick Henry

      “The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.” Thomas Jefferson

      “The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the Bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe.. corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed. Abraham Lincoln

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