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Playground Politics: Blitzer Bullies Paul While Others Sprint Backward On Issues

September 14, 2011 by  

Playground Politics: Blitzer Bullies Paul While Others Sprint Backward On Issues

CNN’s Tea Party Debate on Monday was less focused on the ideals of limiting government, protecting civil liberties and strengthening State’s rights, and more on giving headliner candidates a forum to highlight neoconservative values. Issues regarding the Federal Reserve, Social Security reform, the economy, immigration, taxes and the role of government came to the table, but the answers were not always clear.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, a mainstream media-declared front-runner, took flak from the other 2012 GOP candidates throughout the debate. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, with whom Perry clashed at the debate on Sept. 7, continued to assert that although Texas’ economy remains comfortable under Perry, it can be attributed to good legislation and luck in the past.

“Well, look, I think Governor Perry would agree with me that if you’re dealt four aces that doesn’t make you necessarily a great poker player. And four aces — and the four aces that are terrific aces are the ones the nation should learn from, the ones I described, zero income tax, low regulation, right to work state, oil in the ground and a Republican legislature. Those things are terrific,” said Romney when asked how much credit the Texas Governor deserves for his State’s success.

The Federal Reserve was mentioned several times throughout the debate, and each of the candidates said that something must be done about the institution, but most offered no specifics. Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania said he believes the Federal Reserve should be audited and changed to a single charter, meaning it would no longer have the ability to meddle in issues such as job creation, shifting its focus to sound money. Herman Cain, who formerly worked for the Federal Reserve, agreed with Santorum, saying the central bank needed to be audited and “narrowed.” The story remained the same from Representative Michele Bachman of Minnesota. Perry and Romney echoed similar sentiments: Audit and shrink the Federal Reserve. Representative Ron Paul of Texas, who has long been outspoken about his position on the Federal Reserve — he wrote the 2008 book End The Fed – was not asked for a response on the issue.

The debate also offered ample opportunity for the candidates to backtrack on things they supported in the past and to spin the issues to suit their Presidential ambition. A question about when a President should use executive orders brought to light Perry’s mandatory inoculation of a drug provided by a company with which he was affiliated, per executive order as top dog in Texas. He was quick to say that it was a mistake.

“What I’m saying is that it’s wrong for a drug company, because the governor’s former chief of staff was the chief lobbyist for this drug company. The drug company gave thousands of dollars in political donations to the governor, and this is just flat-out wrong. The question is, is it about life, or was it about millions of dollars and potentially billions for a drug company?” said Bachmann, calling Perry out on the issue.

And Santorum asked the audience to consider why, in Texas, it was even necessary for young girls to receive a drug that guards against a sexually transmitted disease unless “Texas has a very progressive way of communicating diseases in their school by way of their curriculum.”

Romney began his own backward sprint when the issue of Obamacare was brought up to debate. President Barack Obama famously modeled the plan after one that Romney himself created for his own State.

“[W]ith regards to Massachusetts care, I’m not running for governor. I’m running for president. And if I’m president, on day one I’ll direct the secretary of Health and Human Services to grant a waiver from Obamacare to all 50 states. It’s a problem that’s bad law, it’s not constitutional. I’ll get rid of it,” Romney said.

When moderator Wolf Blitzer set his sights on Paul with regard to the candidate’s idea that government has no business in healthcare to begin with, the candidate noted that communities can pick up the slack more effectively than big government ever will.

“Let me ask you this hypothetical question,” Blitzer said. “A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what? I’m not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I’m healthy, I don’t need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it.”

Paul responded that not having health insurance should be his right, though it was an unwise decision, but that the government certainly could not take care of him. Blitzer asked if the candidate was suggesting that “society should just let him die.”

Paul answered using his experience as a young physician in the 1960s when he worked for a hospital alongside church members and charity workers to care for those in need.

“[W]e’ve given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourselves. Our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it,” Paul said. “The cost [of healthcare] is so high because they dump it on the government, it becomes a bureaucracy. It becomes special interests. It kowtows to the insurance companies and the drug companies, and then on top of that, you have the inflation. The inflation devalues the dollar, we have lack of competition. There’s no competition in medicine. Everybody is protected by licensing. And we should actually legalize alternative health care, allow people to practice what they want.”

Bachmann also fielded the question, but steered the issue back to Obamacare; however, she never actually said what might happen to Blitzer’s hypothetical sickly man.

“[T]his is why I’m running for the presidency of the United States, because 2012 is it. This is the election that’s going to decide if we have socialized medicine in this country or not. This is it,” she said.

The debate next took a dive into the immigration debate, although the answers sounded familiar with terms like “strategic fences,” “boots on the ground,” “fewer incentives” and very little else that the public has not heard from so-called conservative candidates in the past. Perry offered a tough stance, saying that he has the most experience dealing with illegal aliens in his home State, although some candidates were less impressed than Perry with his policy.

“Well, I mean, what Governor Perry’s done is he provided in-state tuition for — for illegal immigrants. Maybe that was an attempt to attract the illegal vote — I mean, the Latino voters,” said Santorum. “But you attract Latino voters by talking about the importance of immigration in this country. You talk about the importance of — as — as Newt has talked about for many years, having English as the — as the official language of this country… We’re a melting pot, not a salad bowl. And we need to continue that tradition.”

Perry said that he opposes Obama’s DREAM Act — a program that provides education and “paths to citizenship” for illegal aliens — although his plan is similar.

“In the state of Texas, if you’ve been in the state of Texas for three years, if you’re working towards your college degree, and if you are working and pursuing citizenship in the state of Texas, you pay in-state tuition there,” he said in defense of his own immigrant-friendly legislation.

In discussing foreign policy, Paul was booed by the audience when he said that al-Qaida attacked the U.S. on 9/11 because of interventionism on the part of the government.

“As long as this country follows that idea, we’re going to be under a lot of danger. This whole idea that the whole Muslim world is responsible for this, and they’re attacking us because we’re free and prosperous, that is just not true,” he said. “Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda (sic) have been explicit — they have been explicit, and they wrote and said that we attacked America because you had bases on our holy land in Saudi Arabia, you do not give Palestinians fair treatment, and you have been bombing…”

Paul was also quick to note that while defense spending is necessary to protect the country, outright interventionist military spending is irresponsible.

“…I would say there’s a lot of room to cut on the military, but not on the defense. You can slash the military spending. We don’t need to be building airplanes that were used in World War II — we’re always fighting the last war,” he said. “But we’re under great threat, because we occupy so many countries. We’re in 130 countries. We have 900 bases around the world. We’re going broke.”

Perhaps the most revealing moment of the debate came at the end, when the candidates were allowed to offer anecdotally what they would bring into the White House if elected. Some candidates focused on the issues; some candidates’ focus was more personal. An abbreviated list of what each of the eight candidates would bring follows:

  • Santorum: an extra bedroom for his seven children
  • Gingrich: an end to White House czars
  • Paul: a bushel of common sense and a course on Austrian economics
  • Perry: his wife, Anita
  • Romney: a bust of Winston Churchill
  • Bachman: copies of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights
  • Cain: a sense of humor
  • Huntsman: his Harley and his motocross bike

A complete transcript of the debate can be found at

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • DaveH

    Ron Paul should campaign to the end for the Republican nomination, and then if not nominated, run as an Independent or a Libertarian. Whether he won the presidency or not, he would awaken a great many slumbering citizens.
    And please, people, don’t boor me with that same old split-the-vote argument, because Ron Paul would probably draw as many disaffected Democrats as he would disaffected Republicans.
    See this:

    • DaveH
      • EyesWideOpen

        What we need to find out about anyone up for election is what organizations they are affiliated with. Free Masonry is the common denominator in the groups that are pushing the One World Agenda: The Illuminati (yes, it still exists), Masons, Shriners, Rotary Club International, Trilateral Commission, United Nations, Council of Foreign Affairs, Bilderberger Institute, Labor Unions, Vatican, and the National Conferences of many Protestant religions! To see a list of the people that belong to these groups just enter “the worlds’ richest people” into your search bar on the internet. These people know that in order to get the citizens of the countries of the world to accept this One World System that they must first crush the economies of each country so that we will accept this system rather than starve to death. But know that anyone that is not part of their group will become enslaved! Just look at what is happening today, open your eyes and see the truth!

        • Allan

          Rotary Club? Funny that when I was associated with it, it did great things for the community, like raising money to save a young girl’s eyes, helping a destitute veteran’s family, and providing free labor to build a children’s park. But where there’s an NGO comprised of businesspeople, there’s a conspiracy, right?

        • Bud Tugly

          I am not a Mason, but most of our founding fathers were Freemasons.

        • DaveH

          Most importantly, watch out for those who are in the group Liberals or Progressives.

        • Brian

          This whole Masonic conspiracy theory is nonsense. I’ve known several Mason’s, including my grandfather. Whenever I discuss this (conspiracy theory) with someone who believes it and tell them that no one I know has ever heard anything about it and wouldn’t join such a group if the theory was true. The response is always the same. “Well, they’ve just been kept i the dark because they aren’t high enough in the organization.” Poppycock! I’m supposed to believe intelligent people actually involved in the group can’t figure it out but some blogger sitting at his computer with too much time on his hands has it all figured out. Riiiight.

    • Sam I am

      Even if, by some miracle, Ron Paul is elected, he will just be assasinated, errrrrr wait I mean die in an automobile accident…. by a rapid Jihadist… errr by a disgruntled member of the soverign citizens movement who listens daily to Alex Jones, who in reality is a Fed in disguise, errrrr never mind.

    • http://libertyalert Frank J.

      Although R.Paul has some good things to say domesticly so does every one running agree with him. The problem is his idiotic (left and worse than obozo)foreign policy and some of his thougts on other things. As far as his running as a third party this is the classic example of Republicans shooting themselves in the will mostly help obozo and hurt the future of his up and coming son.If he shouldnot get the nomination he should retire with class. By the way i am not saying he should retire because of age as i am nearly as old as him!.

      • newspooner

        With regard to …”Republicans shooting themselves in the foot..”, that is exactly what they have been doing for the past 83 years. As Dr.Phil (a Republican) would say, “How’s that been working for you”? Voters should always vote for the best candidate, regardless of that candidate’s perceived chances of winning.

      • http://PersonalLiberetyDigest Lawrence

        With your age, and the history you know, no one we have elected has had a good foreign policy. What type of experience does it take to be a good president, or have a good foreign policy? It is differentially not the time spent in Washington D.C. as an elected official.

      • DaveH

        Idiotic Foreign Policy?
        What could be more idiotic than building the same war machine which will someday crush our Freedom?
        What could be more idiotic than spreading ourselves so thin, that a rag tag bunch of terrorists can overrun us someday?
        What could be more idiotic than to turn our country from the economic powerhouse that once lured people from around the world into the country that people around the world now like to hate?
        What could be more idiotic than impoverishing our nation to establish, uh, let me think, uh. Well, I’m sure we are establishing something for all that money, aren’t we? I mean we must be getting something for a Trillion a year? For those who don’t know, that is about $9700 per household per year.

      • Brian

        So you are saying the Founding Fathers had an idiotic foreign policy because Ron Paul’s is the same as theirs. Peace, commerce and friendship with all nations. Entangling alliances with none. If you don’t like Paul’s foreign policy you must support the continued illegal wars and bombing innocent civilians into democracy.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      And insure Obamas re-elecion. Are you nuts?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        How about voting your conscience instead of the lesser of two evils?

      • DaveH

        No, Capitalist, people like yourself insured Obama’s election by allowing the Republican Party to cater to Crony Capitalists and campaign around the world with their military. Without those who had their heads in the sand, Big Government couldn’t have gotten Big in the first place. Thanks to your kind, people got accustomed to running to Government for every little ill instead of taking care of themselves. Now the hard part is going to be to break them from their spoiled behavior.
        It’s time to put people in office, Capitalist, who have Principles, unlike yourself.

      • Brian

        If Ron Paul isn’t the next president is doesn’t matter if it’s Obama or anyone else. They are all Statist Establishment candidates. The only thing that will change is the name on the letterhead. Republicans have also proposed an individual mandate for health insurance and Romney has signed such a bill into law. There is no difference in the two wings of the Establishment Party.

    • Old Henry

      If Dr. Paul cannot awaken the slumbering citizens by the end of the primary campaign I am not sure it can be done.

      And I think he has already stated that he will not run as a third party candidate.

    • gail lightfoot

      Right on! Get the LP to nominate after the Rep convention.

      • Brian

        Never gonna happen. I know several LP members and all of them freak out when you make such a suggestion making claims that Ron Paul isn’t all that libertarian. Never mind that their last candidate was Bob Barr who most certainly is not libertarian. I once (in 2008) made this suggestion to the chairman if the LPIndiana and he had a melt down.

  • Donald

    This is one of the better summaries of the debate that I have seen

    • eddie47d

      Bachmann proved once again of being overzealous on her attack on Perry. Claiming that the vaccination Gardasil causes mental retardation. She didn’t check her facts on the issue and used that falsehood to spread fear aginst an opponent.Will she continue to play loose with the issues as her candidacy progresses?

      • Old Henry

        It’s a good thing she waited until the end of the debate to tout her Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights. The other candidates could have blasted her for being complicit in destroying the 4th Amendment.

        However, all except Dr. Paul would do the same, or worse.

      • Bud Tugly

        When do facts ever interfere with Bachmann’s speeches?

  • Anthony

    I know several Democrats that are voting for Ron Paul because he wants to end these useless wars! Ron Paul can win due to Democrats voting for him!! I’ve been preaching for years that there really is no difference between the two parties. But now people are starting to “REALLY LISTEN”!!! I just hope we can wake up in time!

    • Sam I am

      That will be fine and dandy, but then shortly after, the dollar collapses, and while chaos reigns in the streets, people will blame Ron Paul like the dumb sheep they are, IF they can pull themselves away from the looting and raping and murdering for their daily bread because they spent their money on lotto tickets and boos instead of food storage….

      The real danger in a total society collapse is hundreds of fukishimas. All of our nuclear power plants could be in danger of melting down during total society collapse. If the power grid goes out, diesel fuel has to be delievered daily to the reacter coolant diesel back up engines that power the collant pumps. if it can’t…. You got to hand it to the nuclear egg heada who apparently have no common sense… Why on Earth the collant pumps wouldn’t be hooked up driectly to the turbine from the nuke plant and not connected to the vunerable grid is beyond me. Perhaps people who used to work in nuke plants can calm my fears, but I believe that in a road warrior style hard core society collapse, those smart enough, and tough enough to survive, may just be slowly radiated to death by hundreds of fukishimas around the world….

      • Vern Holford

        I have a suggestion for you. Since you are a complete defeatist, go find a cave to hide in. Your silly defeatist nonsense is not worth anyone’s time to have to read it.

        • Sam I am

          I am a realist and not a defeatist. As a member of the armed forces, I face the cold, bitter, and hard truth face on no matter how disgusting or horrifying it may be. Refute me on the facts. If Japan is having that much trouble over one nuke reactor over there, what will happen to all of our nuke reactors when hyperinflation strikes? If the trucks can’t get food to our stores, and if we descend into anarchy, can truks get diesel fuel to our reactors to continue cooling them so they don’t melt down? can the lights stay on in our homes admist chaos?

          • Old Henry


            ” no matter how disgusting or horrifying it may be.”

            Thimk Hope and Change…

          • Jay

            Actually, Sam I Am, that is a very likely scenario, and coming to a neighbourhood near every one!

      • Old Henry


        We can run them with wind turbines and some solar panels!

        Problem solved.

        • Sam I am

          ….perhaps, BUT the wind and solar power would have to be set up ahead of time or be nearby, or else you have the same problems with lack of transportation during anarchy.

  • DanO

    I disagree, while Paul being in the running is helping to keep the other candidates focused on the real issues, if he or any other candidate runs on a 3rd party then he will just take votes away from the republican and give Obama a stronger chance to win. Our country is not yet ready for a strong 3rd party. It only dilutes the conservative vote. Anyone remember Ross Perot????

    • Sam I am

      We have to try because I gurantee you that any neoconservative elected will just be another Bush. Perhaps better than Obama which is basically saying that the rapist is better than the murderer. Why not have the baptist church do gooder this time instead of the rapist or the murderer this time?

    • newspooner

      Let’s see, who were the three Establishment choices in that election? George NWO Bush, Slick Willie Clinton, and Ross PONZIcomputer Perot? Do you think that any real conservative voted for any one of them?

    • Opal the Gem

      “Our country is not yet ready for a strong 3rd party.”

      I think they are ready but as others have said before me to have a viable third party you have to build from the bottom up not the top down. In other words work to get people elected to local, county, and state offices then you will have a stronger voter base with which to elect people to a national office.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      We have been trained well to be Pavlov’s dogs. The bell dingles and we keep voting for the lesser of two evils.

      • Old Henry


        That was put very succinctly. Scary when you stop to really think about it.

    • Old Henry

      Well Dan(:

      There already is a third party. It’s called the Libertarian Party.

    • Brian

      Your assertion that if Ron Paul runs as a 3rd party candidate it will just take votes away from the GOP and give the election to Obama assumes I would ever vote Republican if Ron Paul wasn’t on the ballot. I never have and I never will. Ron Paul is the only reason not to vote 3rd party next year.

  • dan

    I got a laugh out of the summary if not the “debate”….there’s a reason I voted for Ron Paul before and there’s still the same reasons I’ll vote for him again (although I wouldn’t wish the damned job on an enemy)
    and that’s because he’ll obey the constitution.Anyone who won’t follow ALL of the rules/laws can’t be trusted with the power of administration.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Anyone who votes for Ron Paul in the general election as a third pary cndidate or a write in will insure Obamas re-election. That makes you foolish or a traitor.

    • newspooner

      Always vote for the best candidate. The “lesser of two evils” strategy has been a failure for many years.

      • Sam I am

        EXACTLY!!! If my vote ends up being between the rapist or the murderer, than I am not voting. Going with the lesser of two evils strategy has done wonders for our country so far. Poverty hit record levels recently. Yeah, voting for the lesser of 2 evils works great.

        • Allan

          People that don’t vote don’t deserve the rights in the Constitution.

          • DaveH

            I think it’s time to get back to cheering for your favorite football team, Allan.

          • AnhydrousBob

            Hell, Yeah! I don’t understand all that silly stuff in the Constitution about alianable rights either. I’m just glad we got the government to give us our rights back then in that constitution.

          • Sam I am

            wrong! What if the entire voting system is corrupt by gloabl intrests? Thats like saying, those who don’t participate in big pharma’s insanity and go for natual remedies instead don’t deserve their constitutional rights. Our rights are inalienable and given to us by our creator. To say that we have rights only because of some document is to say government can always take away our rights by chaging the document. The constitution’s purpose is to remind government to back off as we do have certain rights given to us by God, or rights that we should have as sentient beings.

    • TIME


      You’re a classic example of what a worthless eater with gray matter equal to a ten day old turd sounds like, looks like and acts like.
      A clear picture into whats really wrong with this nation.

      Thanks so much for displaying this with such Vibrato.

      • s c

        T, this must be your day for giving yourself plenty of extra rope so you can hang yourself in public. What you refer to as ‘vibrato’ is flat wrong. The correct word is ‘bravado.’ Apparently, you do not play any musical instruments – and you had a hell of a time in every English class.
        As for the idea of a useless eater/worthless eater, I didn’t know you were a brown-noser for Henry Kissinger. Dude, you need to expect more from your icons. Kissinger himself is a useless eater. No one ever told you about Vietnam or China? Kissinger has the advantage of constant access to our media whores.America needs him like we need Islamo-Fascists running schools (it’s almost to that point now, but that’s for another PLD topic).
        I suggest that you start drinking decaf, and put some thought into your words. Your grade for today is a flat D-. And you can expect pop quizzes on a regular basis.

        • newspooner

          Is Heinz Kissinger a Republican or a Communist?

          • Old Henry


            I hope that is a rhetorical question. LOL!

        • Old Henry

          s c:

          It’s not TIME. It’s the keeborad.

          Besides, it sounds like he is having a real bad day as the comments were a little out of character for TIME.

          • s c

            Old Henry, who knows? Several people are having a bad hair day today. If you could classify Wolfie Blitzer on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 is a certified, egg-sucking lemming and 10 is a raving, closet space cadet), how would you rate that schmuck?
            Blitzer is the topic here, and some folks get lost with side-disussions. If nothing else, I can have an idea if the anti-Blitzer crowd is growing. I’d peg his true worth somewhere around minimum wage, but that probably isn’t the case.

    • Randy Huffey

      You are muddying the waters, this is the PRIMARY! Ron Paul is running as a REPUBLICAN.
      He will more easily win the GENERAL election than any other republican candidate, as he pulls so many democratic, Libertarian and young people votes. It is the ESTABLISHMENT of both the Democratic and Republican parties that don’t want Paul’s nomination and continue to mis-represent his constitutional positions as “out of the mainstream” and “kooky”! Ron Paul actually polls near the best of all republican candidates among independants!

    • Bob in Boston

      Unfortunately this mistaken idea has perpetuated the opinion that a third-party candidate can’t possibly win. If everyone thinks the way you do, then GOOD candidates (good = not the establishment) don’t have a chance because everyone sees the results from the last election and believes that a third party can never win. Self-fulfilling prophesy. I’d rather vote for Ron Paul, and have him get 25 or 30% of the vote, so that NEXT time around people believe he can win. Because honestly if Ron Paul doesn’t win then who cares – Romney/Perry/Obama is all pretty much the same thing, just like nothing’s changed since Bush was in office except we have more bad legislation and another war.

      • Sam I am

        EXACTLY!!! We have nothing to lose by going for Ron Paul. I would rather take a slim chance that we get an excellent, non establishment President then to choose which establishment candidate would do less damage to our country. Its like having a choice between a normal law-abiding and humble citizen, a rapist, or a murderer for county sherrif. Even if its a low chance, you have to try to the law abiding citizen as the rapist or murderer won’t really matter if either is elected…

    • Justin Rogers

      So who WOULD BE the lesser of the two evils, a wolf in sheep’s clothing or a wolf in wolf’s clothing. There was no way I was going to vote for that madman McCain in 2008. And my voting third party did nothing to cost him the election anyway as Obama got more than 50% of the vote. So in 2008, I basically told people that I would rather our country be awake under an Obama administration than asleep under McCain. And I was right. If McCain had won, we would still have just as many problems (perhaps more), but we would not have experienced the justified uprising represented by the midterm elections.

      • Sam I am

        This is pricesely correct. Obama was the fast boiling water that finally got us as the frogs to jump out.

    • DaveH

      Now if you vote for a third party candidate you’re a traitor? You sound more like a Liberal every day, Capitalist.
      Is that the best you can do, to try and sway people with 8th grade manipulative tactics?

      • Sam I am

        Hell, I think the opposite is technically true. If you vote for republican or democrat, both of which have proven constitution smashing track records, you are a traitor to the consititution and your nation.

    • Brian

      Your statement makes you a fool.

      Your assertion that if Ron Paul runs as a 3rd party candidate it will just take votes away from the GOP and give the election to Obama assumes I would ever vote Republican if Ron Paul wasn’t on the ballot. I never have and I never will. Ron Paul is the only reason not to vote 3rd party next year. The only traitors are the one’s who vote for an Establishment candidate.

  • Aniko

    Ron Paul is an unrealistic nut and so are his followers!

    • newspooner

      Like George Washington?

    • TIME


      Wow your a rocket scientist, oddly, but saddly you’re the standard in this nation now. How sad is that.

      “You can lead a horse to water but no one can make it think, nor drink!”

      • Old Henry

        You’re right TIME, but it is possible to make them VERY THIRSTY.

      • Justin Rogers

        You can salt their oats!

    • John

      What do you have against actually obeying the Constitution rather than just paying lip service to it like all the other Republicrats? What is so nuts about wanting our government to protect our liberty rather than steal from US citizens through endless unsusatainable wealth redistribution schemes or outright unconstitutional property confiscation?

    • Old Henry

      So Aniko, Our Founding Fathers and our Constitution are unrealistic and so are the followers of the Constitution?

      You sound like a recent indoctrinated graduate of the public screwal system.

    • DaveH

      I would rather be a nut, than an Ignoramus, Aniko.

    • Brian

      People like to make this claim but never, and I mean never, back it with any sort of evidence.

  • Cribster

    The one huge reason I agree with Ron Paul on bringing our troops home. Our borders, mainly the southern border, are wide open!

    We are supposedly stopping radical islamists in the Middle East before they have a chance to get to America. Meanwhile, the primitive savages are waltzing across our border unimpeded.

    The enemy is here, the recruiting is occurring in American mosques, they have multiple training camps on American soil.

    A little story. When I was a Boy Scout we had a tower building exercise. Two teams had to grab material from the woods and construct a tower six feet tall by lashing the wood together and it had to hold one person on the top.

    I was rushing around, grabbed a log and was heading back when all of a sudden my entire arm was on fire. The log had an ants nest in it, but what really surprised me was they coated my arm without me noticing and I guess some chemical signal was sent out and they all bit at once.

    I strongly feel that our crazed Islamist occupants are doing the same exact thing. They are assembling right under our noses and when ready, they will all bite at once.

    • Bud Tugly

      A scary possibility…

      Just like the 9/11 hijackers who lived among us for years, were treated kindly, given opportunities, but maintained their hatred for who we are and coldly murdered thousands of us while believing that they were serving Allah.

      What I do not understand is why these people are given visas in the first place.

  • Rudy

    It is a shame that I couldn’t vote for Paul because of his simplistic view on the Islamic threat; I agree with his view that our foreign policy should avoid foreign entanglements and nation building, but he seems to have a huge blind spot when it comes to what the Islamo-fascists have been up to (and are even doing covertly right here within our borders). If he would “wake up” on this issue, I could vote for him enthusiastically. I do believe he is a patriot, and if (God forbid) another 911 occurred on his watch, he would pursue the terrorists with none of the political correctness as seen in the Bush years (“religion of peace”, etc.)

    • Old Henry

      So Rudy, you are in the voting booth and there are two names listed. One is Obama. The other is Paul. Which chad do you remove?

    • Justin Rogers

      Rudy -

      I believe you are sincere in stating that you would support RP enthusiastically if you could resolve this issue. Actually, you said RP would need to change his stance, but wouldn’t this amount to the same thing? To that end, I would like to challenge you to change your mind, rather than wanting Dr. Paul to change his. For starters, ask yourself why it is that you agree with all of his other issues. Becuase for me, it was only by clearing my mind of pre-conceived biases, and allowing myself to consider his arguments.

      With respect to Iran, they pose ZERO threat to the US, and perhaps a .01% threat to Israel, and only then by inference, not direct attack. No way. No Iranian is known to have EVER conducted a suicide attack. They have 40,000 jews living in their country who have the right to vote. They even have a jew in their parliament. Their beef with Israel is not religious (in the sense of hating religious Jews). It is governmental, in that the current government is wholly Apartheid, with very discriminatory laws. And of course that there are 5 million displaced Palestinians (many Christians included) who have been driven from their homes. Research Iranian history and you will see that they haven’t attacked a foreign land for centuries, nor have they actually threatened to. Ahmadinejad has been quoted as saying he wants to “wipe Israel off the map”. This is not correct; in fact it has been a gross misinterpretation. First off, he was quoting Khomenei. Secondly, what he said was that “the regime in Jerusalem must vanish from the pages of time”. It was a philosophical statement only, referring to the inevitabilty of the eventual fall of tyranny and occupation. Not policy. Not threat. By the way, this is me talking, not Dr. Paul.

      As for Dr. Paul’s foreign policy, it is claimed that he is in denial of the threat. I don’t believe this is true, and everything Dr. Paul has said supports this. What IS true is that all the other candidates and many Americans in general (though fewer every day) are living in denial as regards the REASON for the threat. Until Americans wake up, realize that all of these foreign occupations are merely exacerbating the problems, we are going to continue to have these problems and they’ll just get worse. I’m sorry, but it’s just too darn logical. Why can’t people grasp the idea that you can’t kill innocent women and children in a foreign country and not inflame hatred? Referring to it as collateral damage only makes it worse.

      So, please research what Dr. Paul has really said about these things, then follow up with fact check research to see if it’s true. Dr. Paul, the CIA, the 9-11 Commission, and the historical record of quotes attributed to Bin Laden are all in agreement; they don’t hate us because we’re free, they hate us because we’re over there.

    • DaveH

      How many people have the Muslim fanatics killed in this country?
      How many Muslims have we killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?
      How many people have been killed by automobiles in this country?
      When do you want to go to war with GM and Ford and Chrysler?
      Do you hate Mexicans now?
      How would you feel about them if they were patrolling our streets and killing people?
      Or worse:

      • DaveH

        Here’s another. Judgement from 1000 feet away:

        Well, they did have a weapon. I guess that’s grounds for killing them.
        I’d hate to have these guys on my jury. I think I’d just plead guilty even if I was innocent.
        At least they let the dog get away.

  • Lori Mangin

    I don’t trust CNN, they’re aim is to gl;orify their president Obama, it is clear in Blitzer’s interview of him a few weeks ago. I hope they have another debate at Fox Network.

  • newspooner

    Ron Paul does not have “a huge blind spot when it comes to what the Islamo-fascists have been up to…”. He understands it fully. He knows the ultimate source of their funding and support. He knows what our nation needs to do about the problem. Read his positions on his official website, not on the mainstream media. Get the US out of the UN, and get the UN out of the US. Otherwise, all liberty will be lost. Ron Paul introduces legislation every year to do precisely that.

  • Monte

    I’ll give Ron Paul one credit that I’d be hard pressed to give any other in a field filled with only demagogues. He is honest and sincere. As a paleoconservative and not a libertarian, I don’t agree with all his positions, such as his immigration stance, but, then too, what are the chances of any two people agreeing on everything? He says what he means and he means what he says. That alone sets him apart from the Washington crowd. Integrity is a lost virtue among our ruling class. I really don’t think he intends to win. I think he is using the forum for the amplification of his ideas. I sense that he is driven only by duty. There’s a concept this country hasn’t seen since Andrew Jackson. He expresses ideas not seriously heard since 1860. It brings to mind Jefferson’s Kentucky Resolutions and Madison’s (in one of his characteristic flip-flops from his position in the Federalist Papers) Virginia Resolutions. That is, how to limit the size and power of the central state, thereby protecting liberty, the real principle that this Republic was founded upon. I say, Go Ron!

    • newspooner

      I disagree with you about the part: “There’s a concept this country hasn’t seen since Andrew Jackson”. It was last here with Calvin Coolidge.
      Immigration issues require a much longer discussion than we will ever get in the mainstream media. Their thinking is much too shallow and it translates on to the general public (sheeple).
      There is probably only a fine line of difference between a “paoeoconservative” and a libertarian. So, welcome aboard.

      • Monte

        Truth told, I have not watched TV in at least 25 years. I think the media in this country, for the most part, serves the same purpose it did in the Soviet Union. Numbers USA gives Paul either a D or an F. I am very much a staunch opponent of open borders and illegal aliens. I wholly agree with Pat Buchanan’s position.

        • Old Henry


          Good for you, but how do you survive without American Idol? LOL!

    • DaveH

      Good comment, Monte.

  • Staacey

    I don’t trust CNN, either. Did anyone else notice the camera angles whenever Ron Paul was answering a question? The cameras were always at an angle for the audience to see the “reactions” of the other candidates, in response to Mr Paul’s answer. How odd is that?

  • peter

    The answers to what they would bring into the Whitehouse if elected should surely put to bed the theory that any of them are suitable candidates for assuming the position of President of the USA. Seriously? President of the USA? Not any of these please. The present Potus is already bad enough. No more of the same please.There is not one of these that genuinely comes across as being genuinely proud of the USA, including the present Potus and that is where it starts and ends and is ultimately the real reason to vote someone in as President. Not for their reading skills or their half rehearsed and curiously insincere rhetoric, but because they are able to speak sincerely from their heart and not a script, treat their mandate with the honest endeavour and sincerity that it deserves and would rather die than dishonour their land in any way.That is not the impression that any of these seem to portray. They all seem to be self engrossed and more than a little conceited. Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Vern Holford

      Peter, Your guy is Ron Paul. If you lumped him in with the rest you have no idea what honesty and integraty are.

  • Stunned at sunset

    I think that the “Main Sleeze Media” should begin to understand that Wolf Blitzer’s convoluted question did NOT change my opinion about Ron Paul. I think he speaks both to the issues and FOR the American People and that he should be in the Oval Office as the next President along with a Congress dominated by Independent, Libertarian, and Tea Part congessment and senators.

  • sean murrey ILLInio

    the media is a propganda machine for obummer and his thugs.

  • s c

    Before I get a chance to forget, Blitzer sucks. If Blitzer could trade places with Ron Paul, you know damned well how things would ‘change’ so Blitzer would be pampered and protected. Blitzer and his pimped out media whore “friends” should be cleaning toilets. Blitzer is to journalistic integrity what Obummer is to a functional, robust economy.

  • http://yahoo skyraider 6

    why don’t they ask questions about the currant admin and how they have screwed up everything they touch

  • jopa

    Wolf Blitzer a bully!You have got to be kidding.All of his questions were reasonable, just some bad answers when they did answer rather than go off in their own little world and talk about what they were comfortable with.Like just letting people die that don’t have insurance and kill Medicare and Social Security.

    • http://naver samurai

      All of which are sponsored by the libs. They want to ax everything, counting the number of people in this country (Abortion). FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I agree our #1 priority is to defeat Barack Hussein Oblunder in 11/2012. But as we approach the primary season, it’s also important that we defeat RINOs and mushy GOP wimps, and choose a bold outspoken Reagan-like conservative who DEFINITELY CAN win debates with BHO. We can’t afford to repeat the errors of 2008, in which we had a weak candidate (John McLame) who ran such a poor campaign which led to Oblunder’s victory. At this point, I’m not sure who’s the best GOP candidate for POTUS. But I know which ones I WILL NOT vote for in a primary. 1st, the Romnycare RINO Mitt-Nitwit Romney. Likewise, Newt Gingrich once said he favored the unconstitutional health insurance mandates. And both of these fools seemed to go along with the global warming scam. Ron Paul may be better that BHO on economic issues, but is like George McGovern on foreign policy. Huntsman is another RINO. And Pawlenty has now endorsed RINO Romney?? Thus I’d never vote for these 5.

    Let’s also not forget, that trying to cross the aisle or compromise with leftwing democraps doesn’t work!! E.g., the liberals and lame stream media may not hate you if you’re like McCain or GW Bush as much as they hate Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann. However, they will never endorse or support you – UNLESS – you switch to the Democrap party and vote solidly on the leftwing agenda.

  • Scott in SC

    All those against Ron Pauls foriegn policy are neocon warmongers who believe the U.S. should be in a perpetual state of war. And they just don’t get why so many people around the world don’t like us.
    It’s funny that when it comes to polling and donations from those who are active military Ron Paul is way ahead of any other candidate.

  • Old Henry

    Governor Perry is not so much sorry for the Executive Order that killed over 70 young girls (making him an accessor) as he is in getting caught, and called on it.

    If Romney “will get rid” of ObamaCare, then why does he need to have the un-constitutional Dept. of HHS grant waivers. Simply get rid of the law thru Congress.

    Immigration? What we need is a replay of President Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback” of 1956. Round them up and send them back to Mexico. Close the 700 plus overseas military bases and use the troops to guard the borders. Shoot to kill anything coming north. Our military is for protecting OUR COUNTRY, not the world.

    So, if you’re an illegal Mex in Texas and behave yourself for three years you get a free pass. How abut someone breaking into and burglarizing Perry’s home. If they behave themselves for three years all is forgotten? No punishment? My guess is they would get a bullet.

    I imagine Gingrich would bring an extra bedroom for his next wife…

    I wonder if Bachmann’s copy of the Constitution would be sans the 4th Amendment.

    I’m surprised Paul did not answer Freedom and Liberty.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    As to why Paul didn’t respond with Freedom and Liberty, simply that without common sense you cannot have Freedom and Liberty. How will you know when you have the two?

  • Libertarian58

    This whole fiasco was aired on the Communist News Network (CNN) so what did you expect? Even the ‘planted’ audience booed on cue. The questions were carefully culled to be politically correct and any statements about the FED or foreign policy (ending the war) were quickly voiced over. This was nothing more that a popularity contest for the “chosen” few.

  • Brittanicus


    Never will there ever be another chance, to remove the contamination that has crept into Congress. Perhaps this is our final option to clean the rot from Washington and replace the aisles with honest TEA PARTY leaders. It’s evident that the GOP doesn’t want to lose their influence and their access to copious favors from H street lobbyists. It’s a similar agenda with Democrats and the hidden sleaze emanating from the Liberal extremists, who must be elected out. Furtherance, that main stream America must stay vigilant, against violations of our voting laws. ILLEGAL ALIENS DO VOTE AND HAVE DONE SO IN PREVIOUS ELECTIONS. THANKS TO ACORN AND ITS FRAUDULENT REGISTRATIONS, FOREIGNERS MAY HAVE POSSIBLY CHANGED CLOSE RACES IN OUR “CITIZENS ONLY” ELECTORATE.


    Go to the Heritage Foundation website, NumbersUSA or Judicial Watch and read for the dollar figures that should push you to vote. Discover information at American Patrol, the Liberals and Democrats want to keep concealed, of the daily criminal and illegal alien activities in local and national news media. If you believe in the “Rule of Law.” and citizens rights established in the US Constitution.
    Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) is the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee and major forces have attempted to get him to keep postponing the moving of H.R. 2885.

    I guess if you don’t mind subsidizing illegal aliens to the tune of $113 Billion dollars a year and climbing like a vine, then you will not bother calling your Lawmakers. Don’t leave this obnoxious issue for others to participate in, phone, fax your people in Washington or State Capitol.

    All stops will be ripped out, to ensure that—ONLY—A –TRUE–TEA PARTY politician gain control, in the House or Senate. Already the Republican power mongers are influencing debates by pushing Rick Perry, but he has bad karma on illegal immigration, that will forever be a prominent decider in the Presidential or any elections until our laws are strictly enforced. Mitt Romney has settled into a D-, as he hasn’t convinced the millions of TEA PARTY membership of his record on immigration. Most others except Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain have the strong supporters of stopping the out-of-control occupancy of foreigners, who have steadily poured into this nation, with no true deterrent of any administration. ALWAYS REMEMBER THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE, ARE JUST THAT ORDINARY AMERICANS LIKE YOU. THEY ARE NOT ATTORNEY-POLITICIANS OR HARD CORE COMMUNIST INSPIRED LEFTIST.

    President Obama for a time has illustrated some strong enforcement, up to this latest period in the White House, but eventually being intimidated by the czars in his circle of far left wing influence. Today–in this dreary recession, when millions of workers throughout America are living on food stamps and limited unemployment benefits, Obama has decided to only to process heinous criminals, instead of following through with the law and deporting every alien who falls into the clutches of ICE. Millions of Americans stand on the edge of miserable poverty, but millions of foreign nationals have been hired by dirty business owners who refuse to follow the law. The 20 million plus population of foreign invaders began in 1986, which was the start of the government’s unceasing engineered encouragement of covertly finding ways to promote millions from pouring through undermanned border regions.


    THE 3.5 Million illegal aliens who received AMNESTY and poor processing (Much of what was tantamount to fraud, concluded with millions more slipping across the borders and flying in from foreign countries. America is now crippled with millions of originally Chain Migration recipients, who survive on welfare handouts? We must draw the line on desperate nationals from other lands, when 15.1 percentage of America lives in poverty. Every year we take in at least a million newcomers, who supposedly are highly skilled in numerous occupations? In truth many have mediocre job skills, that out or work Americans have the experience to do. This is about importing cheap labor and not top notch scientists, engineers, who should receive expedited visas. Thousands of the poorly skilled come here on fraudulent applications, drawn up by incorrigible corporations and their well-paid attorneys.

  • sonata

    The Objective goal of the Liberals is to encourage the GOP canidates to go after one another! and laugh at them when they see them go after each other in the debate. WHY would they do that…because people are wising up to the ways of Liberals and when they call us Terrorist, astro turf..and other names the people are getting tired of the Liberals putdowns of the Republicans & Teaparty people so they have started to pit (or at least try) to pit one against the other and pick out every word and push it in the you hear how the audience laught when Ron Paul said…Wise up GOP and stick with the issues..Get Obama OUT of there! Now get on with the work at hand..speaking of work..JOBS,JOBS,JOBS!! Vote Obama OUT in 2012!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I agree our #1 priority should be to defeat Barack Hussein Oblunder in 11/2012. But as we approach the primary season, it’s also important that we defeat RINOs and mushy GOP wimps, and choose a bold outspoken Reagan-like conservative who DEFINITELY CAN win debates with BHO. We can’t afford to repeat the errors of 2008, in which we had a weak candidate (John McLame) who ran such a poor campaign which led to Oblunder’s victory. At this point, I’m not sure who’s the best GOP candidate for POTUS. But I know which ones I WILL NOT vote for in a primary. 1st, the RINO Mitt-Nitwit Romney. How can this nitwir debate BHO on healthcare if he’s guilty of a similar raw deal in Massachusetts?? Likewise, Newt Gingrich once said he favored the unconstitutional health insurance mandates. And both of these fools seemed to go along with the global warming scam. Ron Paul may be better that BHO on economic issues, but is like George McGovern on foreign policy. Huntsman is another RINO. And Pawlenty has now endorsed RINO Romney?? Thus I’d never vote for these 5 in any primary albiet I will vote for any Republican over BHO.

    Let’s also not forget, that trying to cross the aisle or compromise with leftwing democraps doesn’t work!! E.g., the liberals and lame stream media may not hate you as much if you’re like McCain or GW Bush as they hate Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann. However, they will never endorse or support you – UNLESS – you switch to the Democrap party and vote consistently on the democraps’ leftwing agenda.

  • Mel G. Nelson

    Think of the United States as a vessel with a vessel “Canada” rafted up on our portside and a vessel “Mexico” rafted up on our starboard side. Our captain and his senior and junior officers are charged to keep and maintain the safty and integrity of the vessel “THE UNITED STATES”. Before anyone may board our vessel express permission must be granted. This is the responsability of the captain
    If anyone is allowed aboard by inattention or laziness or intentionally ignoring, then it is certain the safety of our vessel will be compromised and eventually scuttled.
    Aboard our vessel the ships “papers” have a proviso that the passengers have the right to vote the captain and all of the officers either to remain in command or vacate.
    The passengers must make enough correct decisions.

  • Jim C.

    It’s pretty obvious the only reason CNN television invites Conservatives to their shows is to try and make them look stupid, or sow discord among Conservative ranks. Their only interest is supporting THEIR man, Barak Obama. Why should conservative candidates submit to a debate moderated my raving liberals?

  • D. Estrada

    What was up with that? How can they ask everyone about the Fed but not ask the only person who worked day and day out to shatter the transparency of the Fed? I thought that was telling… what a farce the Republican debates have become. I just noticed an ad that Santorum has put out attacking Ron Paul and it seems like all Santorum is there to do is attack Ron Paul. I mean, get a life, buddy. Is he getting paid off to attack Rep. Paul?

    In respects to backtracking, Rick Perry is the ultimate backtracker! His campaign should be RICK PERRY: I STAND BY MY MISTAKES. What a joker. Talk about looking at a guy through rose-colored glasses. Rick Perry helped create jobs. So did George W. Bush. Who cares? When the value of the dollar is a nickel and everyone is out of work it won’t matter. He obviously has no understanding of what got us here and what it’s going to take to get us out of this mess.

    Anyone who plays clips with Wolf Blitzer interrupting Ron Paul and asking the famous class-warfare question “Would you let him” should instead of thinking Blitzer is some kind of reporting god of the “no nonsense” ilk should be reminded that Blitzer is only interrupting because he has a short attention span and actually has “no sense.” I mean, this guy lost to Andy Richter in Jeopardy! And not just got beat, he got pummeled. Eviscerated. Slapped around like a red-headed step-child. So the idea that this man can understand anything about Ron Paul’s libertarian ideas is quite unlikely. He probably has trouble tying his own shoes. They actually had to add 1,000 dollars to his Jeopardy game because he ended in the minus! This guy makes Forrest Gump look like a genius. Watch for yourself. I knew he wasn’t too bright but I was astonished to find out how dumb he really is.

    Reminds me of how Ron Paul schooled former CIA agent and current disinformation agent Anderson Cooper. Wake up America and smell the coffee. Don’t vote slick politician in 2012. Vote Ron Paul.


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