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Phony Numbers, Phony Recovery, Phony President

October 15, 2012 by  

Phony Numbers, Phony Recovery, Phony President
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Mark Twain once wrote, “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.” The phony jobs numbers issued last week and used by the phony President to tout a phony recovery are typical of the lies, damned lies and statistics spouted out daily by the political elites.

The elites walking the halls of power — the true 1 percent — are greedy and murderous psychopaths. They care nothing for their “subjects” and seek only more power, more money and more aggrandizement. They readily lie, cheat, steal and kill to achieve their goals.

The 7.8 percent unemployment number is a manipulated and meaningless figure. The Bureau of Labor Statistics cooks the books each month by using data it terms as “seasonally adjusted.” But this adjustment changes from month to month, and the BLS will not disclose what the adjustments are or how they are arrived at. It also does not tell the public that those factors change month to month.

John Williams at Shadowstats.com explains: “[T]he BLS knowingly has been preparing the seasonally-adjusted headline unemployment numbers on an inconsistent and non-comparable basis for some time. The September number was prepared using a different set of season factors than was used in coming up with the August number. The reporting difference can be large, when proper consistent month-to-month changes are used.”

In addition to applying nebulous and ever-changing seasonal adjustments, the numbers are based in part on information compiled by census workers conducting telephone surveys and home visits. They take monthly samples of 50,000 to 60,000 households in 31 States and the District of Columbia. Their criteria are ambiguous. For instance, the range for part-time work falls between one hour and 34 hours per week. “So if an out-of-work accountant tells a census worker, ‘I got one baby-sitting job this week just to cover my kid’s bus fare, but I haven’t been able to find anything else,’ this can be considered a part-time job,” writes Jack Welch in an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal.

Because of the subjective and open-ended nature of some responses, the opportunity for data manipulation is legion. There is also a motive for data manipulation. Government workers conducting these tests and compiling the data are members of the American Federation of Government Employees, which is part of the AFL-CIO. Unions are in the tank for the Democratic Party in general and President Barack Obama in particular.

Welch came under fire last week after he tweeted that he was skeptical of the sudden three-tenths of 1 percent drop in unemployment on the heels of Obama’s dismal debate performance.

As an aside, that debate revealed what I and many others have known for some time: Obama is a phony. He’s an empty suit (or chair) without the capacity for intelligent discussion beyond standard rote Marxist talking points, unless one of his masters has a hand up the back of his shirt in the form of a teleprompter. He has demonstrated this time and again through his choice of softball and heavily scripted interviews and the way he has responded as a petulant child to what few challenges he has received from the rare tough interviewer or the occasional Republican politician.

One of Welch’s critics last week was Austan Goolsbee, former chairman of the Obama regime’s Council of Economic Advisers. Demonstrating that, for the elites, history begins today and yesterday is irrelevant, Goolsbee conveniently forgets that just nine years ago he accused the George W. Bush Administration of cooking up phony unemployment numbers. In an op-ed piece for The New York Times published Nov. 30, 2003, Goolsbee wrote:

The government reported that annual unemployment during this recession peaked at only around 6 percent, compared with more than 7 percent in 1992 and more than 9 percent in 1982. But the unemployment rate has been low only because government programs, especially Social Security disability, have effectively been buying people off the unemployment rolls and reclassifying them as “not in the labor force.”

In other words, the government has cooked the books. It has been a more subtle manipulation than the one during the Ronald Reagan Administration, when people serving in the military were reclassified from “not in the labor force” to “employed” in order to reduce the unemployment rate. Nonetheless, the impact has been the same.

Under Obama, disability roles have risen in excess of 3.6 million since 2008, meaning Obama is using the same method of concealing true unemployment as the hated Bush.

According to Shadowstats, data manipulation has its roots in the Richard Nixon Administration. Williams writes that Nixon proposed that the BLS release each month one unemployment number — the one that was most favorable to the Administration — but not reveal whether it was the seasonally adjusted or unadjusted number. While there is no evidence this tactic was ever used, it demonstrates the mindset in Washington.

Even if one takes the official 7.8 percent number and BLS statistics at face value, they’re still nothing to crow about. Besides, the 7.8 percent number will not remain static. The BLS revises the data regularly and won’t issue a final number for the month until January, long after the election and when the September number is no longer relevant. The September number could change four or five times before January.

According to the BLS, total nonfarm payroll employment increased by only 114,000 in September. That’s not enough to keep up with population growth. It’s also 32,000 fewer jobs than the monthly average for this year, and 39,000 fewer jobs than the monthly average in 2011. Manufacturing jobs declined by 16,000 and overall have been unchanged since April. Yet we are to believe unemployment dropped?

The number of people employed part-time for economic reasons (that is they took part-time work because their hours were cut back or it was the only work available to them) rose from 8 million to 8.6 million. Another 802,000 dropped from the labor force and weren’t counted in the jobless data, and they became part of the 2.5 million considered marginally attached to the labor force because they “wanted and were available for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey.”

Despite the rah-rah chanting of Obamaphiles, the truth is the number of people employed is near where it was in 2000 and well below where it was at its 2007 pre-recession peak. Actual unemployment, according to Shadowstats, exceeds 22 percent.

The Feds are likewise manipulating the inflation data. Called the Consumer Price Index (CPI), it is a measure of inflation based on the cost of a basket of goods. But the contents of the basket changes from time to time. Politicians like this because it is used to determine, among other things, the annual cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security. By manipulating the contents of the basket of goods, rising inflation can be masked and Social Security adjustments can be kept artificially low.

Using pre-Bill Clinton CPI methodology (that is, methodology employed until 1990), CPI inflation in August (September numbers are due out tomorrow) was 5.6 percent. Using methodology employed in 1980, CPI inflation in August was 9.3 percent, according to Shadowstats.

This is all part of the ongoing war on American seniors and savers being waged by the psychopaths in Washington.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    The President is not cooking the books. If he was he would not be cooking the books in order to trick Americans into believing that unemployment has dropped by .3 percent since he came into office. Personally I see it as a step in the right direction. But it is still small. If the President was as sinister as Mr. Livingston claims he would make the unemployment numbers seem much less. Also I would point out according to the BLS the unemployment rate has been dropping for about a year now. And during that time many of the same conservative pundits now decrying the phony numbers used the BLS as a source to support their argument that Obama was a terrible President because unemployment was so high. Apparently its phony if it opposes what you believe. But it is evidence if it supports what you believe. Obama is not a phony. He has a lot of work to do to keep his promises. But he is not a evil conspirator against the American people. That is not naivety its reality.

    • Buster the Anatolian

      Hosw convienently you ignore the fact that the actual unemployment rate is over 22% and do not even address the fact that the actual inflation rate is between 5% – 10% is not the 1.5% the government claims.

      • Kinetic1

        Buster,
        First, your numbers are meaningless if you do not provide supporting evidence. And second, if the numbers are as skewed as you suggest, do you really believe this is something new. I recall experts on the left arguing that Bush’s unemployment numbers were also skewed and did not include those who had “fallen off” unemployment insurance. At the time Rush Limbaugh was calling this idea ridiculous, but now he sells the idea as fact.

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting that the sins of one washes away the sins of another, but if both are guilty of the same shenanigans, than it stands to reason that President Obama inherited a much worse employment crises than was recorded and is likely in the same relative growth position as a percentage.

      • Michael J.

        Kenetic 1 said:
        “Obama inherited a much worse employment crises”

        If Obama is successfully re-elected on Nov.6th,(which I doubt) his favorite line, “I inherited a mess from the previous administration”, will finally have merit.

        Even if your assertion were true in that the unemployment numbers are correct, it would create a glaring contrast amongst the daily plethora of lies that have become his trademark.

        BTW, No, I will not provide stats… The burden of proof to the contrary shall be upon you…

      • Gordon

        FACT= If you are not actually “drawing an unemployment check” you are NOT counted as unemployed….. PERIOD…… When your benefits run out and your check stops >>>you are NO longer counted as unemployed…… PERIOD….. Been told that by 5 offices in 2 states. Prove it to yourself. Pick any state and call their offices.

      • Gordon

        In the tri-county area in which I live, last years figures stated that 53% are drawing some form of check “on the 3rd”, SS, SSI, SSD, food stamps, ADC, HUD, etc. Of the remaining population desiring gainful employment, the reported rate was 27% unemployed. There are also 460 empty houses locally because nobody can afford to rent them…. HUD pays more than the average “working person” can pay. You can’t pay $1,000 month rent and utilities if you make minimum wage and work part time.

      • Kinetic1

        Michael J,
        If you have to chop up a sentence and take it out of context, well it doesn’t say much for the strength of your argument.

        As for your refusal to offer evidence, in life as in law an assertion without proof is little more than a lie.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Kinetic if you had bothered to READ the article you would know where the numbers came from.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Buster What is your source of these statistics?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Jeremy L., you are a time waster so any of your requests to validate are pointless.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Its a waste of time to ask people to back up their arguments with evidence and sources?

        • Deerinwater

          No ~ no, it not a waste of time to call attention to a false charges. ~ as so many of these Fox news types, these anti-education people, anti -social, pro their brand of faith Christians take “no opposition” as some sort of a validation as they attempt to spread their dysfunctional behavior , thoughts and ideas on the premise that it’s okay to say and do just about anything~ if no one is there to tell them otherwise.

          Do not allow complacency to rule the day ~ as that is what got us here in the first place. Be untiring , kicking back the darkness, lighting a single candle at a time. Along the way, we too shall learn something that can never be taken away from us.

          We have yet to begin to fight ~ I’m just getting my second wind and much better and wiser then I was just yesterday.

          Do not be weak of heart and conviction on this day ~ the only day that matters, the only day that we can effect change, the only day we have in our possession. Soon enough this day will be history ~ let us make our history matter, knowing we stood up and faced the challenge and can sleep well knowing we were not found lacking is spirit and conviction.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Requests from you can be ignored and should be, Jeremy L..You are not entitled to courtesy.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Kinetic if you had bothered to READ the article you would know where the numbers came from.”

        Ditto to you jeremy.

      • deerinwater

        Nadzieja Batki says:

        “Requests from you can be ignored and should be, Jeremy L..You are not entitled to courtesy.”

        Much better! A much higher caliber posting.

        I don’t have to agree with your messages ~ but your message is inside bounds of civil discourse. You have made a clear and concise statement about how you feel and think.

        My response to such a statement would vary to how I felt at the moment within the context of the thread.

        At the moment I would suggest any entitlement of courtesy is not yours to decide but dictated by Mr. Livingston’s forum policy.

        When any of us makes a statement it is subject to review and you are in fact soliciting a response or rebuttal .(since none of us are endowed with the right to make a decree.)

        You have received mine.

        Good work Nadzieja, you came a long way today to being an able and effective debater.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I respect your views Nadzieja. I would just like to say that I feel that it is important to provide sources for what one says. I would always provide sources for my arguments and I would ask others to do the same. Since we are discussing matters that are important to all alot of people I think its important to make sure our evidence is backed up. I apologize if I have ever offended you. I wish to show courtesy to you and others and I hope you and others will continue to show it to me.

      • Buster The Anatolian

        For the third time Jeremy READ THE ARTICLE. That is where I got my numbers.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I apologize Buster. I did read the article. I see where you got your information.

      • Michael J.

        Kenetic1,
        Do your own research. The evidence is voluminous enough to cover The White House like wallpaper.

      • sane and mad

        we are all disgusted w political liars,that get our votes by lying.we can pass the death penalty,for anyone voted n office.i support the death penalty become law.to kill every president or candidate,that makes a lie,to get votes or power.we dont want a dictator or communist state.why would any truthful candidate care,about me voting death penalty for lying presidents,or lying candidates.everybody blog deport lying candidates or presidents,or electrocute them.im sure politics will change,obama said change.death penalty for dirty politicians,and deport their familys,,,with all their money frozen

    • Michael J.

      Jeremy Leochner said:
      “If the President was as sinister as Mr. Livingston claims he would make the unemployment numbers seem much less.”

      Surely you jest naive!!!
      His actions are a balancing act to combine perceived plausibility with the fact that no incumbent has been re-elected with an unemployment stat over 8%.

      BTW, Keep the childish liberal comments coming… It helps conservatives know what we’re up against.

      • hipshotpercusion

        Evidently, neither Jeremy or kinetic have been grocery shopping or filled their vehicles with fuel lately. Perhaps they haven’t paid any utility bills lately either. Oh, thats right living in mom’s basement they are protected from the real world.

      • Ted Apelt

        FDR was re-elected with an unemployment stat way over 8%, and he got elected in 1932 for the same reason Obama was elected in 2008.

      • eddie47d

        Well Michael, Ted just proved you wrong and unemployment was 29% under Roosevelt and he was elected and reelected by a wide margin. Unemployment was also 10.9% under Reagan and he was elected and reelected also.

      • Kinetic1

        hipshotpercusion.
        How quick witted you are! Oh, I’ve been cut to the quick for certain!
        The discussion here is unemployment, not rising prices. Yes, I understand that one does affect the other, but how exactly does my assertion that the method behind the numbers is nothing new lead to your implying that I am unaware of rising prices? Clearly, many of you on this site are as unaware of the facts as you accuse me of being, and you prove it by posting personal attacks, unrelated to the discussion.

      • Bill

        To Kinetic – thanks for reminding us that a statement without fact is little more than a lie – sounds like harry Reid. Oh yes, and the statement that Obama would run the “most open and thical administration…” his actions are the evidence of his lies.
        But since Bush was so bad, it is ok to vote for Obama. Is that the best logic you have?

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Read the article Kinetic the discussion is about the article which includes both unemployment AND inflation.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        There are two easy ways to go through life. Denying everything or believing every thing. My concern is Mr. Livingston is denying everything coming from the government even if it is true. I do not believe every thing coming from our government. But I also do not deny every thing. I fail to see how what I am suggesting is in any way childish or liberal. I believe political ideology plays no part in ones maturity or intelligence. Anyone is capable of being childish and foolish. Ideology plays no favorites.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Actually I have recently filled my gas tank hipshotpercusion. Forbes says that the primary reasons for rising gas prices are 1: Demand, 2: Global Politics, 3: Speculation, 4: Seasonal, 5: Fuel-Efficient Cars.-http://www.forbes.com/sites/eco-nomics/2012/03/05/five-reasons-gas-prices-rise/

        I am pretty sure that other then speculation the President can do very little to affect gas prices either positively or negatively. And even in the case of speculation it is indirect because that is assumptions made by oil companies regarding his regulations and permits. And you know what they say about assuming.

        • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

          Don’t forget the greed of the oil companies.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        tlgeer, keep those Dems/Leftist cliches coming. We definitely need to know what dogma the Dems/Leftists religiously follow.

    • http://Yahoo KAM

      AND…… apparently it’s a REALTY if you are a OBAMA SUPPORTER. Keep drinking that KOOLAID Liberal.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Forgive me KAM. When the reality I see is so completely different then what the Republicans tell me. Even when I look at various sources and compare what Republicans say with what the data shows. I believe the unemployment rate based on whatever variables are used to determine it is in fact what the BLS says. Do I throw up my hands and shout happy days are here again, no. I am not pleased that it has taken Obama so long to make the unemployment rate go done by so little. He has a long way to go to full fill his ambitious promises. But I am trying to be reasonable. A lowered unemployment rate is a good thing however small. Yet people are treating this not as a step in the right direction but as a conspiracy by the government. I believe that is not the case. I believe that if I am going to consider voting for someone other then Obama it should be based on mistakes he has made. Not conspiracy theories about what people “feel” like he has done.

      • http://charter dave

        jeremy l. you are the one being an obamabot, do you for one second believe the jobless numbers magically fell 3 weeks before election. even his 1st debate suggested he was cowing because he had no record to run on. you worry about 7.8% rate when reaklity is above 20% what a dweeb. obama is to be the death of the greatest country that ever was if re-elected.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I believe the jobless rate magically fell three weeks before the election just like it magically has been steadily going down for about a year now. Also I believe the jobless rate magically went down three weeks before the election at the same time that people start hiring seasonal workers for the thanksgiving and christmas holidays.

    • American 1st

      Dear Democrat Leochner -

      I believe the 22% (if not higher) rate. Did you know that Independent Contractors cannot collect Unemployment and are not counted on the Unemployment rolls? These include people that work for themselves, are not an employee of a company.

      • Guest

        rIGHT ABOUT THAT.
        I have been an independent for years and apart from paying all my own SS, not once can we get any unemployment nor help. Apparently, for government we do not exist except to pay.

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        American 1st: You are incorrect ! As a contractor, you can draw unemployment if you’ve paid into it ! Most don’t because because as a contractor you pay a higher % for yourself than you do for your employees ! And the overall % will be higher when you get more work !

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        Guest: Did you pay into unemployment ? Its not about SS, unemployment is its own program ! Its been a few years since I’ve drawn, But I did pay in for myself so I could !
        I’ve regretted it at times because the % rate for my guys went up, and I’ve paid more in the long run, and paid much more than I’ve drawn !

      • Johnny

        and the reason for that is because their employer, whoever that may be, doesnt pay unemployment taxes on their wages. Which is why they are contractors…..because the person hiring them KNOWS the job is temporary and it doesnt make sense to have your account get charged more when you already know in advance you are hiring someone to work temporary. Man, for you people thinking you know everything, you really dont know anything.

      • Gordon

        Hoping to be redundant =

        Self Employed is the ONLY FREEDOM we have.

        Job= just over broke….. Your JOB boss dictates your entire life…. when to wake up, when to go to sleep, where you live, when you eat, what you eat, where your kids go to school, what you drive, when you can take a vacation, etc…… THINK ABOUT IT

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Actually I am not a Democrat. I am an independent. And no I did not know that. Perhaps there are inconsistencies unemployment figures. After all isn’t the unemployment rate just the people who are unemployed but seeking work. I will not deny that the actual rate is probably higher. But then it always has been. Yet some how it suddenly has become a conspiracy to hid the truth and fool the public. Inconsistencies do not equal conspiracy.

      • daves

        As an independent contractor you are responsible for paying your own taxes, Social Security, unemployment taxes, workers’ compensation, health insurance, and other benefits. In addition, you and your client should understand the differences between an independent contractor and an employee, as well as your legal rights and responsibilities

        http://www.sba.gov/content/self-employed-independent-contractors

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Jeremy L., you vote Democrat and you lean Left contrary to calling yourself Independent.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Nadzieja I do tend to vote democrat. I just wanted to point out it is not due to my party affiliation. Also I do vote for Republicans and Independents in state and local elections.

      • Gordon

        I know one anti-gov. anti-taxes guy who worked “self employed= off the books” for 35 years, never paying taxes or SS. Now he’s in his late 60s disabled and bitches daily how the gov. is screwing him making him live on 600 per month SS plus food stamps, medicaid, etc. and he has to buy his own medicine. He recently spent 90 days in hosp rehab on medicaid/ free. He refuses VA help. mmmmmm

    • Patriotism Reigns

      You are dreaming, this man is the worst president that this country has ever seen, he has done more to hurt this country than any other and all other presidents together. I hope this Great Nation wakes up and realizes that they have been duped. Look at his back ground, and his associates.

    • Dussty1

      How can you defend Obama? Does it not bother you that can’t say ANYTHING without a teleprompter? All of the bald-faced lies coming from Alexrod, Biden, Cutter and Wasserman-Schultz make me SICK. What’s happening in this country is real. The high unemployment and cororuption in Washington is killing this country and the world knows it. We should all be pulling together to try to do what’s best for the country, and that begins with putting someone else in the White House who will try to right the ship of state before we go over the fiscal cliff. I hope it’s not too late.

      • eddie47d

        Time to dust off the cob webs for it is Congress that is now derailing our economy. In 2007 it was manipulative economics on Wall Street that did so. Interest rates are down taxes have been stable or low for the last few years and the business engines of America still aren’t doing their part.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        With respect Dusty he can say things without teleprompters. And I can defend him for doing things I believe are good for this country like the repeal of Don’t ask Don’t tell. He has made mistakes and like you pointed out he and his staff have lied. But for me its an issue of lesser of two evils when I compare Obama and Biden with Romney and Ryan who have not exactly set a record for truth telling.

    • Charles

      You are right, Barry isn’t cooking the books; he has his henchmen do it for him.

    • Robert Smith

      “The phony jobs numbers issued last week ”

      Why don’t you claim that all those forclosures precipitated by the Bush administration were lies too?

      Why don’t you proclaim that the bad employment numbers were a lie and we are actually doing much better?

      Sheesh… Revel in the bad numbers and when they get just a little better claim they are a fraud. THAT is where the lie is.

      Rob

      • Bill

        Robert,
        You are showing your ignorance to people who know the facts. Bush had nothing to do with the housing bubble. It was part of the community reinvestment act, started under Carter, finessed under Clinton and implemented through Barney Frank when he was the head of Fannie Mae, They mandated that banks reduce their lending requirements to encourage housing for the poor.

        It created a feeding frenzy that made the market rise way out of proportion to peoples incomes and thus greated a bubble that was destined to crash.

        So quit spouting political rhetoric that you heard on the news and learn the facts

      • Ted Crawford

        Something that makes me leary of these numbers is the fact that the U-6 was UNEFFECTED by this hugh improvement in the U-3!
        As many have stated, correctly, no President ever mentions the U-6, that just may be why they failed to tweek it to match the U-3, thinking no one would even bother to check!

      • TexasRide

        Bush tried to warn congress Seventeen times that there was a big problem with Fannie and Freddie…Of course Barney (the one supposedly in charge of the entire debaucle) said everything was “just fine!” Why has toothless Barney escape responsibility for what ensued? Because you can bet that all of congress was in on it and profited from the housing fraud..Livingston gave a very accurate description of what we have in Washington running our government..

      • Patriot

        Because Robert,

        Bush is not the President! Keep your head buried in the sand and make sure you show up to Vote the 2nd Tuesday in November.

      • TML

        “Why don’t you claim that all those forclosures precipitated by the Bush administration were lies too? ”

        I believe Mr. Livingston did exactly that…

        [from the article]
        “…meaning Obama is using the same method of concealing true unemployment as the hated Bush.

        According to Shadowstats, data manipulation has its roots in the Richard Nixon Administration.”

      • Gordon

        Supreme Court Justice Barney Frank, Supreme Court Justice Nancy Pelosi…. SCJ Hillary, SCJ Rahm Emmanuel…………… (terrified yet?)

      • Kinetic1

        Bill,
        Bush had nothing to do with low income minorities buying homes?

        “but George W. Bush has not forgotten the great American dream of homeownership.
        On Saturday, Bush used his weekly radio address to launch a campaign he will pursue this week to help low-income Americans, particularly minorities, attain that goal.”
        http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jun/16/nation/na-bush16

        The push to see more low income families purchase homes was one of President Bush’s biggest PR moments. He even offered government assistance to help pay for the down payment, a major hurdle that kept many people from getting in over their heads.

        Now don’t misunderstand me, I’m not suggesting that Bush is responsible for the whole mess, only that he added to it. The real culprits are the investment houses who bundled these bad loans with good loans, then sold them as AAA investments all over the world. How do they then turn a profit?
        “Stuff a portfolio with risky mortgage-related investments, sell it to unsuspecting customers and bet against it.
        Citigroup on Wednesday agreed to pay $285 million to settle a civil complaint by the Securities and Exchange Commission that it had defrauded investors who bought just such a deal.”
        http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/business/citigroup-to-pay-285-million-to-settle-sec-charges.html?_r=2&hp

        Follow this up by blaming the people who you gave the loans to, pay your shills on the radio and TV to sell this idea, turn to the Government to cover any losses you may have incurred and you have a winning game!

    • Strongman

      U butthead!!!!

    • Patriot1776

      Leochner says “And during that time many of the same conservative pundits now decrying the phony numbers used the BLS as a source to support their argument that Obama was a terrible President because unemployment was so high. ” The argument isn’t that obama is a terrible President because unemployment was so high, but rather unemployment is so high because obama is a terrible imitation of a President. You say he has a lot of work to do to keep his promises? He doesn’t even know what he has promised or who he promised it to. He says that he wants to protect the middle class, yet has done absolutely nothing – from job creation to taxes to help the middle class. He has prevented middle class jobs in refusing to permit the oil pipeline to be built, in over-regulating coal fired electricity, in allowing the EPA free reign to destroy business opportunities, in everything that he has done or failed to do.

      Perhaps, if this country is dumb enough to allow him another 4 years to implement his agenda, he will be able to actually work on something because he won’t have to campaign again.

      • Ted Crawford

        Perhaps more importantly Patriot, he dosen’t care that he has forgotten and dosen’t know what he promised. What he does know is that his constitutes don’t know!
        It didn’t come up on the last episode of ‘Family Guy’ nor during the last Playoff Game, or for his female constitutes, on their latest viewing of “As the Stomach Turns” or “Edge of Nausea” !
        They will ‘ remember’ as soon as he tells them, or gives them their free Phone, or free birth control medicine, or Unemployment for life! See Obama delievers !

        • S. Johnson

          Like the people threatening workers to vote for Romney, this is another blustering tactic and a way over the top overexaggeration. If you notice commercials on TV, overexaggerating is how people get their point across but they aren’t always realistic. What you see in some of these commercials is as far away from reality as one can get but they do get tend to get a point across. It just seem that we have lots of people here who’d do great in putting together commercials but they’re out of touch with the real world.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Patriot. The EPA and other government regulation are done in the attempt to prevent pollution and other potential hazards. It can be over zealous but in the attempt lies Obama’s desire to help. As for the pipeline I would point out the danger of Oil Spills as well as the danger to the environment. Jobs are important. I am no hippie tree hugger. But I would rather be able to breath and drink clean water then have a job. Call me crazy but my health comes first.

      • Patriot1776

        Jeremy, I fully understand the intent of the EPA and all of the alphabet government regulation enforcers. The facts are, they are way out of control. The cost of their ever-more strangling regulation is what drives manufacturing jobs overseas. You may prefer breathing clean air to having a job, but I have a family to support, a house to pay for, bills to pay, so I don’t have the luxury of deciding that I want to keep living in my parent’s basement and not get a job.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I can respect that Patriot. Maybe my issue is the linking of jobs with lessening regulations. The intention off regulations, EPA specifically, is to prevent pollution. Why is it that creating jobs would require pollution. Maybe that is the key issue. If there was a way to hire people without causing increased pollution. And at the same time for me there is the problem with manufacturers sending jobs over seas because they cannot pollute as much as they wish. I want all American workers to have and keep their jobs. But I do not want to place trust in “job creators” who appear to only be in it for the money.

      • Patriot1776

        Jeremy, there is no way to have sustainable manufacturing jobs and no pollution. There is a limit to the ability to filter out the byproducts of every reaction, it is part of basic chemistry.
        Manufacturers do not send jobs overseas because they cannot pollute as much as the wish. They send jobs overseas because the cost of meeting the demands of the EPA here drives their cost of production so high that they can’t compete with manufactures from other countries that do not have to meet EPA standards.

        You say “But I do not want to place trust in “job creators” who appear to only be in it for the money.” I would not trust “job creators” who are not in it for the money. That is how jobs are created.

      • TexasRide

        Jeremy, the EPA has evolved into something being used to destroy this country. It is under the guise of saving the planet that our freedoms are being taken away. EPA is a key to many of the progressives (retros) plans.

        The EPA needs to be abolished! It has become an independent organization with nearly unlimited power! It makes it own laws ( the ideology of this administration) and then has the power to force those laws on Americans. If an American doesn’t comply the EPA has the unfettered power to do whatever necessary to bring that individual to his knees!
        These people are way too powerful and a tool being used to take this country apart.
        The UN and its Agenda 21 does basically the same thing. The UN uses their green ideology as a reason to promote many of their pending mandates to be applied worldwide.
        We know that these mandates are all about redistributing the wealth from the European countries and the U.S.

        EPA is an agency gone rogue and it is an arm of the progressives.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        With respect Tex “EPA is an agency gone rogue and it is an arm of the progressives.” So it is apparently both powerful and independent and yet still an arm of the progressives. Apparently environmentalism is progressive. The problem with abolishing the EPA is there would then be no regulatory mechanism for monitoring pollution. Companies would simply do as they wished the way they did before the EPA was created. Regardless of the damage to the environment and the health risks it would pose both to their employees and the general public.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        S. Johnson, but you are talking about O and his minions that have intimidation honed to a T. You are admitting to being such a timid soul that the rustling of a leaf scares you.

    • Jibbs

      Rubbish!

      • tony

        Obama is cooking the books with the Federal Reserve QE Spending

        Obamas Plans will not sustain what he has given you because he cannot tax the rich hard enough to pay for it , and if he does he will shut down the Profitability even more than what is going on now with a book cooked GDP at 1.5 % think about that How can the GDP be at 1.5 % and the Dow back up to 2007 growth rates when GDP was 4.92 % ?? http://www.geohive.com/charts/ec_gdp1.aspx , Obama is cooking the books with the Federal Reserve QE Spending

        So what good is what you got from Obama if you don’t get to keep it ??? Its all a Lie just to Gain more and More Control through Taxation and Regulatory policies to Limit Growth control the rate of Consumption all opf which will reverse engineer human longevity

      • tony

        Wealth Redistribution Envy is not economic policy Supply-Side expansion is , Wealth Redistribution is all about achieving this goal here , http://explosivereports.com/ , http://www.cgdev.org/content/article/detail/1426540/ , we need to not allow this Power to consolidate into these radicals controlling the money supply and Resource supply to the point that they control Life because the evidence of what this redistribution of wealth economic policy is about is Environmentalists freaking out about to many people on planet earth already and so its better to zero growth in all sectors and redistribute Equality lowing what the standard equality in the Developed nations is not going to work either ?
        We need to expand the Supply and raise the Quality of Life in the 3rd world up to what the standard level is in the Developed world then peace across the world would be achieved just like what happened after WW2 when we expanded supply for all by building dams in the rivers creating clean affordable electric power than would power the pumps that the water in the dams could then irrigate the farmlands to increase the production of food , it all works beautifully together and a increased quality of life was realized after decades of famine and lack of human supply brought war and conflicts across the regions of the undeveloped nations . Expanding the supply for all is the only answer to peace and we need this again today like was created back then .

      • tony

        Wealth Redistribution Envy is not economic policy Supply-Side expansion is , Wealth Redistribution is all about achieving this goal here , http://www.cgdev.org/content/article/detail/1426540/ , we need to not allow this Power to consolidate into these radicals controlling the money supply and Resource supply to the point that they control Life because the evidence of what this redistribution of wealth economic policy is about is Environmentalists freaking out about to many people on planet earth already and so its better to zero growth in all sectors and redistribute Equality lowing what the standard equality in the Developed nations is not going to work either ?
        We need to expand the Supply and raise the Quality of Life in the 3rd world up to what the standard level is in the Developed world then peace across the world would be achieved just like what happened after WW2 when we expanded supply for all by building dams in the rivers creating clean affordable electric power than would power the pumps that the water in the dams could then irrigate the farmlands to increase the production of food , it all works beautifully together and a increased quality of life was realized after decades of famine and lack of human supply brought war and conflicts across the regions of the undeveloped nations . Expanding the supply for all is the only answer to peace and we need this again today like was created back then .

      • TexasRide

        Omaumau is really into redistributing the wealth. How do you think he purchased his “Estate in Hawaii!” .

        You can bet the American taxpayers have paid for that just like everything else omaumau and moocher enjoy,

        He throws our money around to other criminals and then he probably gets Forty-Percent of it back under the table…

        • Gea

          Obama is a very rich dude whose stories (lies about his life and dreams of his father) had made his a multimillionaire. He never was a poor black but a privileged kid who grew up with his white mother and with his white grandparents who sent him to private schools. His father (if the Kenyan was really his father and not his tutor, Frank Marshall Davis a member of a Hawaiian Communist Party) was a Marxist Muslim who got scholarship during Kennedy time and his mother was a sociologist in Indonesia, after she married another Muslim Marxist Satoro and moved to Indonesia. BTW, older Satoro was a spokesman for oil industry, which Obama hides as well as his riches and support for corporations, which enabled him to deceive Americans in 2008.

          Biden was a Senator from Delaware, which is a headquarters for insurance industry and other corporations. Obamacare is a scam designed to enlist more Americans to support insurance and pharmaceutical companies and hospitals CEOs and CEO lavish live styles at the expense of working Americans who will HAVE to buy their ridiculously expensive “insurance”. Obama is a rich traitor of American values in addition to subverting US Constitution in order to please his Muslim Brotherhood friends, so that Americans do nto find out that Islam is unsuitable for human consumption and that Mohamed was a pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murderer, that in any decent society would be tried as a criminal he was and not adored as a role model by 1.4 BILLIONS of Muslims around the world. Since Americans are waking up, Obama will be a goner next month unless he manages to cheat in elections by an extremely high number of absentee ballots requests.

      • TexasRide

        Sorry, but I don’t believe in your theory that omaumau grew up, “a rich kid!” He grew up on the streets of a third-world country, hence his hatred for European Colonialism. He went to school in the madrassa, the school where the moos teach kids to hate infidels.
        What I do believe is that as a kid, he grew up with “hate” in most every aspect of his life..

      • Nadzieja Batki

        TexasRide, Gea is probably closer to the truth about O. The thought that O could be of a particular type called “the spoiled rich kid” gives you pose because of O and his self proclamation that he is one of the people.

      • TexasRide

        Nad, To me omaumau and moocher don’t have and could never have the amount of “Class” that money brings to even the most uncivilized! They are both acting like gutter-trash that suddenly won the lottery!

        Omaumau has lived off of “other people’s money” his entire life..

      • eddie47d

        Romney has cannibalized several companies without regret. Shame on that exploitation of the American worker and the greed that Bain used in doing so.

    • http://PersonalLibertynews Herbert Davis

      It is a fact that Obama and his staff is lying and covering up the truth. He has no plan of stopping the lies, because if he does it will damsge his re-election. America do not need a lier in the white house.

    • DaveH

      Jeremy (aka Flashman) says — “If the President was as sinister as Mr. Livingston claims he would make the unemployment numbers seem much less”.
      There does come a point where even the brain-dead Liberal Progressive followers will no longer swallow the lies, Jeremy (aka Flashman). So even Obama has to avoid lying too dramatically.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Okay Dave so he is going to lie to make America believe that he is great because he managed to drop the unemployment rate an extraordinary .3 percent in four years. How exactly does that improve his chances when even I the brain dead liberal Obama fanatic you have often claimed I am believe that it is small potatoes and that he has much more to do. There is a problem with the whole “avoid lying too dramatically” idea. This lie is putting me to sleep. So it is hard to believe Obama is putting any effort into a lie that does not impress me at all. And if he is I do not think he is much of a threat since few Americans are impressed with his lie. And for the record I do not believe it a lie. I just believe it is an unimpressive truth.

      • DaveH

        You sure are spending a lot of time trying to convince people that little lies aren’t important, Jeremy (aka Flashman).

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I am trying to convince people that if this is a lie it is a little lie and not a massive conspiracy. There is a difference between a lie born of stupidity and a lie born of conspiracy. I am saying that if these job numbers are a lie they are a lie born of stupidity not conspiracy. I do not believe people should be perceiving as a threat some thing that appears to present no threat.

    • EHeassler, USN-Ret.

      Since the 7.8% unemployment figure was released, it has been disclosed that the figure did not include one of the nation’s most populace states. The smart money is on California as the state failing to report its unemployment numbers which would more than account for the decrease. Personally, I don’t believe much of the economic drivel released by this administration as it has shown its proclivity for lying and obscuring the truth about all aspects of its record. Oh, yes, I forgot; Bin Laden is dead. But then again, Barry didn’t do that.

    • DaveH

      Jeremy (aka Flashman) says — “And during that time many of the same conservative pundits now decrying the phony numbers used the BLS as a source to support their argument that Obama was a terrible President because unemployment was so high”.
      Yes, intelligent people would choose numbers which are claimed by biased Government agencies to support their claims, even though the real figures are much worse, so that even the brain-dead Liberal Progressive followers could not deny them.
      Your arguments are fallacious, Jeremy (aka Flashman). What else could we expect from a non-credible administration shill who assumes multiple personalities?

      • Kate 8

        DaveH – A bit off-subject, but you need to see this. Too much is coming out to be shocked, but I was disheartened to say the least.

        http://occupycorporatism.com/blueseed-floating-bilderberg-cities-where-the-elite-control-the-masses/

        The Libertarian party was founded by and is controlled by the same corporate, global elite who control the main parties. The founder is a Bilderberg. Any ideas we have about Libertarians restoring freedom is illusion.

        The elite have not missed a trick.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        So you can use government sources to support your argument when it suits you, but denounce those same sources when it does not. And you expect me to still trust you. Forgive my being a government shill but to me it seems a little disingenuous and hypocritical.

      • DaveH

        “Kate 8″?
        Yeah sure. The Libertarians are working to convince people that Big Government is bad, so they can benefit from Big Government? That’s a stretch, “Kate 8″.
        By the way, your author can’t even spell Libertarian, and we’re supposed to believe that he knows all about us?

      • DaveH

        Obviously Jeremy (aka Flashman) two personalities (and more) are not better than one.
        If you want to repeat the same old nonsense over and over, thinking that people will eventually believe you, you need to go to one of the Liberal Progressive websites where emotions and name-calling substitute for logic.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Dave since I first spoke with you you have said many of the same things. Is that what you are trying to do, repeat things till people believe them. Did it ever occur to you that I believe what I say. If I believe the sky is blue and I hear people saying it is green. If it is in fact blue I am going to continue to say it is blue. I believe what I say and will continue to make my case so long as I believe I am making a valid case. I am fairly sure Dave that as long as you believe some thing you will stand by it, will you not.

      • Kate 8

        DaveH – Actually, that’s about the response I expected.

        I’d want to investigate further before I decided it’s false. These masters of deception have co-opted every movement of the people. It’s not such a stretch that they would want to control a movement such as the Libertarian one. They know people are fed up with the R/L game, and a viable third party would be the way to scoop up the strays.

        It doesn’t matter what any of us believe, DaveH. All that matters is what’s true.

      • Kate 8

        DaveH – I don’t care about clinging to cherished beliefs. I want truth.

        I did a search on “peter thiel founder libertarian party” and came up with quite a lot. I havent read it all yet, but he’s also the founder of PayPal and a mega rich elite. I do plan to get to the bottom of this.

        Democrats defend their party right or wrong. I just want to know the truth. There is no percentage in holding on to a lie.

      • eddie47d

        You don’t care about the truth Kate 8 because you just lied. “Democrats …whether right or wrong”. If you cared about the truth you’d be slamming the Republicans against the wall and making sure it sticks.

      • DaveH

        What state do you live in Kate?

      • DaveH

        I suspect that “Kate 8″ is just another assumed identity by our Multi-Personalitied Liberal Progressive Troll Flashman. The Liberal Progressives love to try to co-opt the names of board regulars in their dishonest efforts to harass good people.
        At any rate, “Kate 8″ says — “The Libertarian party was founded by and is controlled by the same corporate, global elite who control the main parties. The founder is a Bilderberg”.
        The founder of the Libertarian Party was David Nolan. Where is your evidence that David Nolan was a Bilderberg? Also it should be noted that the Libertarian Party does not define Libertarianism. Probably the best source of information on that subject are the various writings of Murray Rothbard. Here is his definitive treatment of Libertarianism:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

      • DaveH

        Here are some myths about Libertarians that are exposed by Murray Rothbard:
        http://mises.org/daily/2616/Myth-and-Truth-About-Libertarianism

    • Gea

      Obama IS a traitor of American values, which was demonstrated by his allowing the genocidal supremacist misogynist Muslim Brotherhood into the White house and giving them $1,500 millions for their war on women of Egypt and war on Israel. It is clear that he is a traitor by his attempts to subvert US Constitution under the guise of “respect for Islam”.

      Obama is a great story teller whose “taqiyya” (lies demanded by Koran of Muslims when living among non-Muslims) had managed to seduce Americans who allowed him into the White house where he does not belong, both because of his incompetence (he is a clear product of “affirmative action”) and because he is a true believer of two ideologies incompatible with good society: Marxism and Islam, both supremacist ideologies which lead to poverty, misery and tyranny where ever applied.

      Obama is helping his Muslim friends to subvert US Constitution in order to prevent Americans from finding out that Islam is a supremacist ideology similar to Nazi supremacist ideology that has no place in any society that respects liberty and human rights. Islam promotes pedophilia, polygamy, misogyny, dhimmitude and murder for Allahu Akbar, and creates lots of angry young abused Muslim men who are told that murdering Jews and Americans will buy them a ticket to Muslim Paradise with 72 virgins adn 12 prepubescent boys. Jerry Sundasky should have moved to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan where he could legally have up to 4 wives at a time (Osama bin Ladin had 27 total), and an unlimited supply of young boys and girls which is allowed under sharia practiced in many Muslim -majority countries.

      Islamic teachings are the ROOT cause of current day terrorism, which is financed by the Saudis and Iranians with the money that we pay for their oil. Yet, Barak Hussein Obama bowed to the Saudi King whose subjects committed crimes of 9/11. Obama does not belong to America and should go to his Muslim Brothers in Egypt and/or his Saudi king.

      • TexasRide

        The way omaumau governs this country one could believe that he is really working FOR his brothers in the middle east!

        • tony

          Obama governs like a Little Spoiled Rotten Brat with all these executive orders going around the Congress that represents the Voice of the American People !!!

          That is the sign of a Dictator who wants to Silence your voice with his Ideological View of how the USA needs to be ran , so reelect the dictator in Chief and see if you keep your liberty in his second term !!!!

        • Gea

          Unfortunately, Barak Hussein Obama is such a skillful story teller that many Americans still fall for his lies (taqiyya, which is requirement demanded of all Muslim when living among non-Muslims). Once Muslims get into over 10% in any community they start terrorizing this community, as they are doing in Europe and Detroit. Islam is the ROOD cause of current day terrorism and having a supporter in the White house makes it easier to destroy Western civilization as they openly proclaim in the charter of Muslim Brotherhood.

          One does not expect an American President to promote a religion (and certainly not a supremacist ideology of Islam) and subvert US Constitution in order to cover up how vile Islamic teachings really are. Read Koran and Hadith and learn about the history of Islam and Mohamed to understand that US is under attack by Islam, covered up by Barak Hussein Obama who is a danger not only to US but the entire Western civilization. Mohamed who was accurately depicted in a movie that “provoked” Muslim mobs around the world, was a pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murderer who in any decent society would be tried for his crimes and not emulated as a role model by 1,400 millions of Muslims around the world. Obama is a traitor and should resign for his role in the murder and rape of the US ambassador in Libya.

      • http://aol.com Steve

        Gea, you can look at any picture of mr oboma in his younger years and he has a ring on his left hand, meaning he is married,,,,,,,,my question is to who he was married too. But you are right on the mark about this illegal man in the w/h

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Sorry that you believe all of this. Do you have any actual facts, not rumors or gossip, to back your beliefs up?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        tlgeer, you are no owed any explanations. Don’t like what you have read it behooves you to check it out for yourself and decide whether it is true or false.

      • eddie47d

        Nadzieja accepts “facts” from the right with joy in her heart whether they are true or not.

    • Don

      No one is so blind as those that refuse to see. how can you accept that the month before election 800,000 people magically found jobs.a new record since 1989.employment participation rate has declined 6% that alone makes it a BS number. you say things are getting better? Obama said himself he came in to office the economy was in the worst shape imaginable. unemployment was 7.8%. he promised us if we give 800 billion it would never go above 8% and in 4 years be 5% he lied. It rose up beyond 10% and stayed at above 8%. apparently things got worse. so even to to believe the #s means things have not gotten better, at most the are only the same. In other words the worst shape imaginable. even if I could believe the numbers all I can say is this is all we get for 6 trillion spent in 4 years? It’s time to change the change to a change we can believe in.

      • http://dinojay52.wordpress.com dinojay52

        There are losers and there are sore losers. There’s nothing worst than a whining, sniffing sore loser. The numbers are what they are. I guess the only acceptable numbers would have been bad ones and that’s not the purpose of statistics. It’s not there to appease any one group of people, like it or not. They just tell it like it is without bias.

        • tony

          It won’t matter Obama has Failed as President of the FREE Market , he has Only Taken away FREEDOM in Capital Formation and gave it to the Federal Reserve and the 2 big 2 fail Banking sector that is benefiting from the Zero Interest rate policy of the Shariah Federal Reserve !!!!!

      • Patriot1776

        Don, the saying goes “Statistics don’t lie, but liars use statistics”. By picking and choosing which numbers to include and which to exclude you can abuse statistics and support anything. In this case, the 7.8% was generated with data missing from an entire state. Setting aside whether the seasonal adjustments or any other manipulation exists, it wasn’t complete to start with.

        The facts are, you have to understand where the numbers come from for them to have any meaning.

        Statistically, half of all people are below average.

    • http://yahoo. voncile

      has he not had four years to do what he so promised the people he would do and he still has not cleaned up anything and as far as the percentage of unemployment it is way down don’t know where you have been these last four years the South has a very low unemployment

      • Patriot1776

        If you have a 4 year term, you can’t wait until 3 years and 11 months to start working. He had 2 years with democratic control of the House and the Senate. He has had an opportunity to do the job he was given. He just is not the man to be President of the United States.

        Unemployment is low in the South? Georgia – 9.2%, Alabama – 8.5%, Mississippi – 9.1%, Texas – 7.1%, Tennessee – 8.5%, North Carolina – 9.7%, South Carolina – 9.6% ( each statistic from the individual state DoL).

        • Deerinwater

          ” He had 2 years with democratic control of the House and the Senate. He has had an opportunity to do the job he was given. ”

          Maybe you are not familiar with Joe Lieberman? Maybe you are not aware that it’s not uncommon for democrats to vote what is best for the people they represent rather then what is best for the democratic party?

          Maybe you are not aware that many give Bill Clinton’s economic success to Ronald Reagan for setting the stage that it could be possible for Bill Clinton administration to do well?

          Maybe you are not aware of how national politics actually works, that the first two years of any administration requires filling potions including inner counsel while coming under constant and unrelenting GOP fire since the first day in office. Even still , much was accomplished by 44 his first 2 years.

          That you refuse to know of it or recognize it ~ is only your lacking as the places that you frequent to find current events excludes any and all of Barack Obama’s success and only highlights his perceives lacking and failures as a human being an a American with great embellishment. You frequent such places only because they tell you what you want to hear. You don’t really want to hear about news ~ you want to feel good and justified with your thoughts.

          So what part of your commentary do you wish to defend?

          • tony

            Deerinwater Obama filling the Administration appointments and CZARS with ANTI Free Market Ideologues who think Earth Needs to be depopulated is why this President needs to be Impeached for High Crimes against Humanity .

          • Deerinwater

            Tony, ~ prior to Obama , ~ they were referred too as Presidential Appointments , of which my family held such title under Reagan.

            And as far a “Free Markets” goes ~ ~ there has not been a true free markets for over a hundred years.

            Free markets ~ means many things to many people. ~ To some people it mean that they can, lie cheat and steal . take what is not their to take, use what is not their to use.

            Obama and his cabinet has had little to do with this ~ regardless of what you have been told.

            There are few things that are actually “free” Tony ~ for now ~ Air is Free ~ clear Air however~is not.

          • Frank Kahn

            You are correct, we have not had a free market economy.

            You are however mistaken in your assertion that, to some, free market means the freedom to lie, cheat and steal. That is simply a criminal mindset and cannot be attributed to the term free market. Those people will think it is okay to do those things even in communism.

            Free market simply means WITHOUT ARTIFICIAL REGULATION, meaning that the market pressures will balance the system without outside interference.

      • deerinwater

        Of course, you are correct Frank, I was reading local news this morning and an article caught my attention, about “Food Trucks” ~ Mobil food vendoring in the Dallas and Fort Worth area. ~ The slight shifting of local regulations ~ the growth of 68 trucks ~ to 189 trucks in a matter of a just a few years. ~ The impact that it has to brick and mortar business ~ The up side , the down side. ~ the bottle neck, ~ the start up cost. ~ It is a regulated market, ~ it’s “free” ? ~ only to those wiling to work hard and venture the start up cost from 80,000 to 150,000 dollars ~ that is a lot of Nachos and Grill cheese sandwiches.

        It has to be regulated ~ in various ways ~ to make it fair for those that have already invested and for those that toy with the idea of investing and it must also be fair for people that open, staff and maintain a fixed store front and done so for several years.

        The bottleneck today? ~ the trucks.

        As for myself, I aspire to own a bucket truck and do high maintenance, a gap that I see a need for and can fill, yet that too is regulated in many ways by city and state licenses and trade affiliations. Just obstetrical to overcome and prevent the less determined and less qualified from entering the market.

        If you wish to command $125.00 per hour, it comes at a price.

        • Frank Kahn

          I thought at first maybe you were reasonable, then you took a nose dive.

          Free market capitalism CANNOT FUNCTION WITH REGULATIONS. It is regulation that kills capitalism. You made a funny kind of statement which isnt funny at all since it reeks of elitism.

          Regulations, as you put it, are there to keep us worthless, spineless, lazy poor people in line?
          Regulations are needed to protect the corporations?
          Regulations are there to protect people who already have a business so they dont get new competition?

          What part of SELF REGULATING do you not understand? Without outside interference, by government or any other person or group, a free market will prosper as will everyone who participates in it.

          Yes, starting a new business requires money and hard work but, that is not a roadblock to doing it. Your example of the business you want to start is hampered by state regulations, these make it more expensive than necessary as well as discouraging some people with truly great innovative ideas. A prime example of regulations destroying opportunities for people who would make our economy stronger.

      • Patriot1776

        deerinwater – maybe I am aware of Joe Lieberman, maybe I do know how our government works, maybe I do get the news from various sources and make my own judgements formed on sorting the facts from the fiction. The fact is that if a man takes the job of President of the United States he either needs to lead this nation and be able to work with the system that is in place, or transform the system into what it needs to be. Obama has not shown any ability or willingness to work within the system of government, to lead Congress or any portion of this country in a direction that is beneficial to any American. He has failed to protect the middle class that he claims he wishes to help, he has failed to create jobs that he has claimed he wants to create, he has failed to turn the economy around or do anything other than successfully fund raise for his campaign.

        He is a failure by any relevant measure of success for President.

        • deerinwater

          “Obama signed the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) with Russia as part of his push to reduce the emphasis on nuclear weapons in the U.S. and Russia’s deterrence strategies. In the 2010 Nuclear Posture Review (NPR), the administration sought to limit the role of the U.S.’s nuclear deterrent by declaring the U.S. will not use or threaten the use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states that are party to the Non-Proliferation Treaty.”

          “Outcome: Outside right-wing organizations like the Heritage Foundation opposing the treaty, the Senate consented to its ratification and Obama signed New START, completing the ratification process, on February 2, 2011. The treaty requires that both Russia and the U.S. reduce their nuclear warhead arsenals to 1,550 each, a 30 percent reduction from the 2002 Treaty of Moscow and a 74 percent reduction from the 1991 START treaty.”

          “Obama’s Policy: Strengthen America’s military and intelligence relationship with Israel. In an interview in August, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said, “I can hardly remember a better period of support, American support and cooperation and similar strategic understanding of events around us than what we have right now.” According to one Israeli official, that coordination is now “even better than under President Bush.”

          “Outcome: While there has been tension between the U.S. and Israel, over the settlement issue, this should not obscure the otherwise overwhelming support that President Obama has given Israel. The Wall Street Journal reported that, under Obama, “U.S. military aid to Israel has increased markedly,” an effort that stems from policy directives the White House gave the Pentagon early in Obama’s presidency to “deepen and expand the quantity and intensity of cooperation to the fullest extent.” Importantly, Obama has increased the level of strategic dialogue and the depth of intelligence coordination between the U.S. and Israel, particularly regarding Iran,”

          Obama’s policy: Early in his presidency, Obama promised that U.S. troops would end combat missions by late summer 2010. Combat missions formally ended on August 31, 2010. On October 21, 2011, following Iraqi parliament’s unwillingness to support an extension of immunity for U.S. military personnel, Obama announced that all U.S. troops will be out of Iraq by the end of the year.
          GOP’s response: Despite the fact President Bush signed an agreement to withdraw all U.S. troop from Iraq by 2012, Republicans called the decision an “astonishing failure” and claimed Obama “lost the war in Iraq.” Despite once hailing the agreement signed by the Bush administration outlining the process of U.S. troop withdrawal,”

          Would you be more likely to vote, the survey asked, for a candidate who said we should help the middle class by stressing growth and opportunity, or by making sure the rich paid their fair share of taxes. The former won by 76 to 20 percent. Other answers indicate that respondents don’t mind the rich paying higher taxes, and even generally back the idea. It’s just not very interesting to them. They’re far more interested in growth than fairness.

    • http://aol.com Steve

      Jeremy, you are blind as a bat. first mr oboma is a fake, please just look at all his records like certificate of live birth which is altered to the hilt, s/s# altered to the hilt, selective service # altered to the hilt, will not disclose college records, as it will show him coming to the United States as a foreign student, the take a look at what one trillion dollars looks like standing next to a man,,,,,,then times it by 6 and tell me he is not trying to break the system. Second, he is a community service organizer, what could he possibly solve, and he is a muslism that lies about what he is and with a middle name like hussain, what could possibly go wrong. Americans are the biggest bunch of idiots I have ever wittnessed in my life time and leochner your right up there with them. A vote for mr oboma is a vote for muslims, so make sure it’s ok for a grown man to marry your 8 year old daughter dumb buts

    • http://google gary gerke

      You are truly another Obama useful idiot that knows nothing about the evil that you condone!

    • got my licence

      The reason for the 7.8 unemployment number is that California did not get its numbers turned in on time and so they went with zero when they did the formula. Just in time for the VP debate. The correct number will not show until after the election.

    • Roberta Schoen

      Wake up…He is a master of deception, greed and illegal pandering…One way to tell if he is lying….Are his lips moving???….

    • daves

      What evidence do you have?

      Republicans keep making this claim without facts to back it up so that people like you will believe it.

      The article says the unemployment number is meaningless. Then why did they write an article about it?

      • tony

        Evidence you want it well here it is , He is running everything on a Shariah Federal Reserve QE Zero Interest Policy and Obamas Plans will not sustain what he has given you because he cannot tax the rich hard enough to pay for it , and if he does he will shut down the Profitability even more than what is going on now with a book cooked GDP at 1.5 % think about that How can the GDP be at 1.5 % and the Dow back up to 2007 growth rates when GDP was 4.92 % ?? http://www.geohive.com/charts/ec_gdp1.aspx , Obama is cooking the books with the Federal Reserve QE Spending

        So what good is what you got from Obama if you don’t get to keep it ???

      • tony

        Under the Obama for America economic policy we have seen a Zero Interest rate Shariah Federal Reserve replace the Free Market driven by Interest baring Private sector Bond markets that feed fixed Investors that are willing to invest in the supply-side expansion of a Growing supply all thats needed to sustain solvent financial system , but instead we have Obamas Plans which will not sustain what he has given you because he cannot tax the rich hard enough to pay for it , plus keep a foreign acceptance in the trading of goods for the US Dollar , and if he does he will shut down the Profitability even more than what is going on now with a book cooked GDP at 1.5 % . Think about that How can the GDP be at 1.5 % and the Dow back up to 2007 growth rates when GDP was 4.92 % ?? http://www.geohive.com/charts/ec_gdp1.aspx , Obama is cooking the books with the Federal Reserve QE Spending

        So what good is what you got from Obama if you don’t get to keep it ???

      • daves

        Tony – what does that have to do with Septembers unemployment rate?

        • tony

          the economic growth indicators follow unemployment increases and declines based off Private Investment funding the rise in equities versus the Government debt subsidizing the equities growth that cannot sustain solvent employment

      • daves

        Could you please be a little more simple for me?

        Are you saying that GDP would be higher if the unemployment rate actually was 7.8%?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Don’t play coy and cute, daves.

    • Mamamia

      Right on Jeremy. I was thinking the same. Why “cook” for .3%? Ridiculous. If you are going to rob a bank, are you going in for 300.00 or 30,000?

      • Patriot1776

        For the master deceiver, it is easier to slide a little through and have it accepted. He owns the bank, he just has to keep it secret until after the election. A little improvement makes the sheep happy. Too much exageration and even some liberals would question it.

    • sancheleezy

      Let us all be honest with each other. Barack Hussein Obama was not vetted at all, he is a phony, he is a progressive-socialist any way you look at it, as he believes that the government should be involved in nearly every aspect of our lives. These numbers are crooked as much as possible in order to convince people to reelect him, as it affects their jobs in government directly, and for you to believe that any administration, especially this one, are not capable of manipulating figures in order to make themselves appear better, you are nothing but a fool. This administration is nothing but a much worse and nefarious version of the previous Bush Administration. Both my sons have college degrees and are struggling to find decent employment, and they cannot stomach the idea of accepting government handouts. Wake up and realize the truth of just where we are at, foundering in the midst of incompetent fools running the ship of state.

      • Carol

        Let us all be honest with each other. Barack Hussein Obama was not vetted at all,
        And you have proof of that???? Please let us know how you obtained that information, particularly from the people who vetted him.

    • Shelia

      You are right Jeremy, Mr Livingston need to stop with the phony stuff, get over it

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Sheila, GO read a book!!! LEARN something!!! Your ignorance shows every time you post!!! You’re a gnat!!!

    • tgeer

      Very well stated.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sfcretdennis Dennis VanMeter

      Thank again, he wants to cut the military in half, leaving us un-able to secure our nation, he has already cut from VA programs, he has tried and will try again to raise tri-care fees, mine would have been 600%, double our out of pocket medical costs, and double our out of pocket drug cost, he is the only president I know of who refused to give the military a pay raise two year running and is talking about not giving us one this year and next year.; He wants to taker our guns, he said this himself, heard him say it, our 2nt amendment rights is for voters to decide not the president. He has signed more E.O.’s then all our past presidents combined, this is leadership by dictatorship.

      • Karolyn

        Under Obama the VA budget has increased by 26%.
        “Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.”
        http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

        • tony

          Increasing the Vets benefits is great but what you said about it not getting to them means Cronyism is out of control as these Obama Minions are Looting the tills and that proves Obama is UNFIT for the Duty of President !!!!!

      • eddie47d

        The military budget needs to be cut in half and all wars ended. Enough of their reckless expenditures and this demanding false security for the USA. I blame Congress for that exploitation of our service members and resources.

    • http://gravatar.com/famousfatman gary

      Personally, I have stopped listening to all the bogus numbers and blaming because Obama administration sued a pollster but the suite has been dropped after the numbers changed. The leaks out of the White House, lies that have been told by this administration where our Ambassador died from inadequate security in Libya, Fast and Furious and 4 years of blaming. If Obama had to apply for a job using his record and experience he wouldn’t qualify for a dog groomer. A leader doesn’t throw his people to the wolves, this is a lack of character and leadership. 23M Americans out of work and he writes an executive order to give 4M illegals amnesty and another 1M next year. 16T dollar debt and no budget. 2012 Romney/Ryan

    • Elizabeth Clark

      that is a lot of ballony, the true figures if you care to explore it further are 11-14 % they just stop showing people that have left the work force and included part time people

    • http://alsina846.wordpress.com millie

      To: Jeremy Leochner

      The truth is obama is down and dirty and he is capable of anything including having the books cooks, it is fools like you that give him the benefit of the doubt. Obama is a communist and if re-elected he will not create jobs, but what he will do is continued to inforce more failed polices that hurts the economy and the American people. A vote for this dictator is a vote for the death of this country. The only thing obama has done is suppress the US citizens, 23 millions people out of work, 47 million people on foodstamps and he added 5 trillion to the debt. Obama is the worst president this country ever had, worst then Bush and Carter and these were pretty bad themselves.

    • Schautzie

      Wow -he is not evil? Please explain why he will not show his real birth certificate ? His passport? Why does he have more than 1 social security number? Why is he muslim? Why doesn’t he love America OUR United States of America? Why will he not show his college entrance applicants nor his transcripts? Why is he gay? Why does he smoke (cigarettes & pot)? Why does he drink to the foolishness stage? Why has he gotten our country into dire economical situations? Why are the unemployment figures reported incorrectly (the last report – oops they forgot about including California totally?) Why does he accept poltical contributions illegally from international donors who use credit card numbers (w/o security code) and in excess of maximum amounts? Oh – I could go on & on- but mainly….he lies…mainly he is a fraud! ROMNEY/RYAN 2012…..

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Explain what? Why you choose to repeat lies rather than facts? That is YOUR problem.

        If you want to see the lawsuits connected with Obama and the elections look here:
        http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%2520CASE%2520LIST.pdf

        It is in a quite detailed, and very easy to follow, format. If you choose to not look at it, at least be honest enough to say so.

        At this point in time 7 States have issued the finding that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen.
        New York
        New Jersey
        Indiana
        Maryland
        Georgia
        Illinois
        Vermont

        ALL of those courts had certified copies of Obama’s BC. The officials of the courts know how to tell if a BC is valid or not. Apparently, you do not.

      • JeffH

        “ALL of those courts had certified copies of Obama’s BC.”

        That’s an out n out fabrication. Up to this point in time, there never has been a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate presented to any state or federal court official.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003624642108 Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

      Man you have got to be on crack. Cool aid and crack does not mix.

    • http://www.facebook.com/oross122609 Olin Ross

      This is mind bogging to think someone would fix the unemployment rate to help Obama since most White folks control everything and most White folks just hate Obama……Most white folks are just insane…They just can not get over a Black man being President of the USA…This is still a nightmare in their corrupt mind…..

      • Frank Kahn

        You appear to be driven by blind racial hatred. It is not a matter of the man being Black or Mulatto for that matter, it is the fact that he sucks as a president. Even a white man would be looked down on for the kinds of crap that Obama pulls. Get off the he is black kick, it has nothing to do with this. Your hatred of whites is clouding your judgement.

  • Harold Olsen

    Because people run out of benefits and/or just give up looking for work, the unemployment numbers are never accurate and are probably higher than reported. I doubt that when the unemployment numbers drop that they compare them to the number of people who go back to work. I’d be willing to be that they do not match. When people are out of work and are not getting unemployment benefits or looking for work, as far as the government is concerned, they do not exist.

    • old goat

      When 20% of citizens are unemployed, those not looking or financially unable to look (financially can’t get to interviews, etc) are critical issues. When full in employment (3-4%), those not looking need not get unemployment or anything else. Have we no common sense left in society? Call liars what they are – warn fellow man of the danger!

  • KG

    You guys are only scared that you might have to start paying your fair share again. The “free ride” that Bush gave yall needs to end if we are going to rebuild our country. If we just returned to the tax structure under Clinton, we could be back on the path to greatness. And part of that is people getting paid what they can negotiate. That’s what America wants and needs.

    • Michael J.

      Not even worth a rebuttal.

      • http://google gary gerke

        RIGHT ON……TOO TRUE!

    • hipshotpercusion

      Right. Clinton, like other Dems before him raided Social Security. But, you just keep drinking that liberal Kool Aid.

      • Doug

        You’re correct and it was Clinton who set up the eventual explosion in the housing
        market before he left by offering “easy credit” so more people could get into the market.
        It went great for a while and Realtors loved it, but the reality was that a large percentage
        of those who got sub-prime marketing never should have been able to qualify. That was
        one of Mr. Bill’s real nice legacies, but then again they keep blaming Bush.

      • eddie47d

        That was mostly sinister Banksters Doug that screwed the housing market.

    • http://Yahoo KAM

      IF you think people got a FREE RIDE with Bush your opinion of OBAMA must be STELLAR! Obama doesn’t expect ANYBODY to work because he wants them DEPENDING on the government so he can maintain CONTROL of everyone.
      You” MAMBY PAMBY” liberals are Idiots. but then I suppose that’s the reason you are liberals.

      • Larry King

        Your wrong the socialist do expect everyone to work but only for the state and where they feel they need you. This way there rationing of medical,foods,housing and labor are under there total care. So it’s not quite accurate to say other wise.

    • Dussty1

      “Fair share.” What the heck is that supposed to mean? I WORK and YOU TAKE. You know what’s fair? Get a job and take care of YOURSELF. You know what’s not fair? AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. That, my friend, is discrimination. Fair is when you compete on a level playing field and the most qualified person will get the job, PERIOD. I don’t care if it’s a man or a woman, or a black, hispanic or white. The MOST QUALIFIED.

      • TexasRide

        Libs loves their Affirmative Action! There is nothing more racists than that. When libs start whining about conservative racism, just remind them of the most racist plot in the country…their beloved Affirmative Action. It should be abolished!

      • TexasRide

        BTW, we have an Affirmative Action product in the oval office.

      • uvuvuv

        obama was a lazy and indifferent student, both at occidental and columbia. at occy he was put in the losers dorm called the annex, where they segregated the failing druggie students to keep them from messing with the serious students. my guess is that he doesn’t want his grades released because he has no grades, all his classes were pass/fail. so how did he get into harvard? he applied for affirmative action admission. how did he pay for all this schooling with his father a failed bureaucrat in nairobi and his mother a low paid anthropologist in jakarta and his grandparents solidly in the upper lower class, if that? indeed how did he pay for his schooling expenses? sure, he probably got a/a grants but they won’t keep you in socks and underwear and ramen noodles. anyone have answers?

      • TexasRide

        uv, about Harvard and omaumau’s mysterious admission without any qualifications, there was a Twenty-Million Dollar donation to Harvard from Saudi Arabia. It bought him his way into Harvard and guaranteed him a degree, no matter that he didn’t attend classes and the professors had to cover for him. (Actually this buying of degrees happen frequently.) People covered for him on the Harvard Review, as well. Omaumau didn’t do anything to deserve his law degree or his term in the oval office. He was picked to be where he is, and his career way laid out for him. It appears that all he did was go along for the ride, and the drugs, all the way to the White House.

    • SarahR

      Have we all forgotten that Clinton was spending us into oblivion when America voted in a Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich in order to curtail his spending? Newt made him balance the budget for four years. Clinton was no great president. He was as bad as all the other democratic presidents. Have we all forgotten that Bush’s last two years was a Democratic Congress? Bush tried to get congress to investigate sub-prime loans but the Democratic Congress would not do it. Let We The People get it right this time.

      • Deerinwater

        Got it right? Like the last time you had your way?

      • Johnny

        Have you ever heard the word VETO????? NO, I dont think Bush has either, because what budget bills did HE ever veto?

    • tony

      All you need to know is what Obamas CZARS stand For and that is Population Control and that will kill the FREE Markets and they do this because they believe Earth has reached its Human Carrying Capacity in the next 20-30 years and they are implementing ZERO Growth Policies to Save earth from Humanity , because in their view Humanity is a Cancer on the surface of Earth ,

      • DaveH

        More on population control:
        http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=13179

      • TexasRide

        Let the libs start their population control by eliminating themselves! But no, they want to start eliminating conservatives..older conservatives that are costly and the ones that remember when America was free. If they can just get rid of the last two generations most of their problems would be solved.

      • old goat

        Tex gets it right again

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      KG, your comments about “fair share” and “free ride” are ridiculous! I don’t think that ANY of us, here are in the top 1%. Any billionaires on here?!? I don’t think so. I think that EVERY ONE of us is paying MORE than their fair share! Have you EVER really LOOKED at how MUCH the government SPENDS??? Whether the democraps OR the REPUBLICRAPS are in office!!! I SAY, the government is NOT SPENDING their FAIR SHARE!!! They are spending WAY MORE than their fair share!!! This GREAT transfer of wealth has GOT to STOP!!! They blame each other but they BOTH own responsibility!!! They’re partying on OUR dime! BOTH parties LIE about the statistics! They DO LIE!!! The figures are manipulated by ALL of them. It is to keep us in the dark, while they rob us blind! If we could get the PEOPLE on both sides to open their eyes to the truth, MAYBE we could stand TOGETHER and DO something about it! FIRST it take RECOGNITION of the FACTS!!! The numbers are SKEWED!!! The numbers are LIES!!! At the very least admit that! WHY do WE defend THEM?!? We ALL need to stop talking “democrat and republican”!!! If we don’t, we ALL lose!!! I say we are ALL paying MORE than our “fair share”! Those in power need to start paying THEIR fair share!!! They need to STOP spending OUR money!!! We are in danger, and we’re arguing over who to blame! See the truth, before it is too late!!!

      • Shelia

        and you Nancy need to take your medicine, you are losing it., Oh and I love being a gnat.

    • tony

      Giving these ANTI Free market supply side Growth Extremists more Taxes and Regulatory power is asking for a return to the Bolsheviks Rule , and with Obamas Love for the United Nations sweet cup of Global Hope for World Control giving these people more control over free market capital flows when they all are preaching population control is a death sentence for the general welfare of the people . All we see is more and More global food shortages coming and where are these SO CALLED Leaders with expanding the Food Supply , no where in site !!!! So their Plan is to do the Opposite !!!! Get Ready Folks with Obamas reelection we will see a OPPs crisis that will usher in nationalizations of the Free Markets all in the name of stabilizing Hyper Inflation and that will take us to a New World Order of Epic Proportions the likes of which and at a level of dominance only drones will be able to secure , http://explosivereports.com/

      • TexasRide

        Until Americans take away the ability of the Feds to “tax and spend” things will never get better! The States need to take the responsibility for their own people. Taxes should be spent so that the taxpayers are the ones that benefit…not some foreign dictator in another country..

      • Carol

        HOME RUN!

    • Ted Crawford

      We would gladdly return to the Clinton rates, if we return to ALL of them! Remember in Math “what ever action is taken on one side of an equal sign must also be taken on the other side of the same equation” ! Let Obama go back to the Clinton administrations spending levels! Obama is currently spending at a rate 800% higher than was Clinton!

    • Gordon

      KG, go to you-tube and put in David Walker, former head of the GAO… watch his videos about how the clinton commies cooked the books. Damn hard to argue with the #1 accountant for the United States of America’s federal government.

    • Don

      If there is a recovery to raise taxes now would kill it. unfortunately there is no real recovery so we will fall into a rescission or depression.

    • sancheleezy

      Bill ( “I did not have sex with that woman”) Clinton, who told many a lie to anyone who would listen, was nothing but an opportunist, who had to deal with a Republican majority in both Houses of Congress. He realized that he could not ram any of his progressive legislation without a fight, did have to compromise and accept the terms he was presented with by those in Congress who kept him more “honest”, if the term used loosely, is possible. He even bombed an aspirin manufacturing plant in Africa, and nearly destroyed Yugoslavian countryside, because he did not want to commit troops to do his fighting there. The guy told us all that oral manipulation is not really having sex with another human being—so children go right ahead. What could be more intimate than having oral sex with another. He was nothing but another in the long line of immoral progressive fools that we have allowed to lead this country down the path of mediocrity.

      • Karolyn

        And all conservative republicans are pure as the driven snow! Please, get real! i would venture to guess that most men with power have skeletons in their closets. Men are driven by their sexual urges, and, obviously, many of those with power feel the need to capitalize on that power – both liberals and conservatives.

      • eddie47d

        What a shame they can’t grasp that Karolyn. The Republicans made Bill/Monica a major issue while ignoring al Qaeda sneaking in. That shows where their heads were at in wasting taxpayer money on trivial pursuit. .

    • Elizabeth Clark

      of coarse just tax every person over 250k and guess what, no more jobs, but then it takes commen sense to see that, I don’t understand why you dems stick to your guns when you know this guy is bogus

    • Nadzieja Batki

      KG, keep those Leftist cliches coming. Coming from you they are getting sillier and sillier.

  • Margo

    Romney is a principled leader that recognizes the greatness of America and what it will take to turn things around. He’s been successful at everything he’s ever done.
    Obama is enslaving our nation with debt and regulations that are killing jobs and the economy. Is it any wonder a community organizer would get it wrong and coming from Chicago, why would we expect any thing but sleazy Chicago style political tactics!
    Obama is a proven liar and as usual, is blaming everybody else for his failed foreign and economic policies. Evil eats it’s own! Watch out things are about to get really ugly!

    • Michael J.

      Margo,
      I know your heart is in the the right place. And yes things will improve if Rommney is triumphant. But it is peoples perception of what he will do that will create a temporary boost to the economy, not his actual deeds. The unseen, unelected trillionaires own both Obama and Rommney and are playing out a “Good-Cop/Bad-Cop” scenario in which we are the unwilling participants.

      • Coop

        First one I’ve seen that mentions pretty much this is all a puppet master show and it is the rich. Parties are there just to separate the people being effected by laws and policies even further. Realize we are born into slavery to pay for the very power that is kept today. Personally after looking at all the facts I wish candidates like Ron Paul would be taken seriously, his warnings of what is actually happening at capital hill later in history will be as important to what’s left of us and our children as other major tragedies in Germany WWII. It can happen here, we lost all our rights with the Patriot act. I hope it all doesn’t happen again but that’s futile thinking this has been going on for thousand and thousands of years people…don’t name call, liberals, democrats and republicans we are all stuck in this fish bowl and are lucky the powers to be don’t flush most of us!

      • TexasRide

        Michael, I know your heart is in the right place but…..did you ever consider that you just might be wrong about Romney…

        Lets have some proof that Romney is owned by a shadow government… What in his life or what about this man makes you think he is not his own person!

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Coop,

        There are a LOT of things that the majority of the US voters simply do not agree with Ron Paul on which is why he has not been a serious contender for President.

        One of those issues is birth right citizenship.
        ~ He opposes it, the majority of us do not.

        He wants to do away with the majority of US Departments, and cut funding for the EPA.
        ~ I remember the 1970′s. Cutting the EPA budget is not an option. Period.

        He has pledged never to raise taxes, which is completely unrealistic.

        He believes that the notion of the separation of church and state is currently misused by the court system.
        ~ The majority of voters believe that it hasn’t gone far enough.

        He terms himself “strongly pro-life”, “an unshakable foe of abortion”, and believes regulation or ban on medical decisions about maternal or fetal health is “best handled at the state level”. His abortion-related legislation, like the Sanctity of Life Act, is intended to negate Roe v. Wade and to get “the federal government completely out of the business of regulating state matters.”.
        ~ The majority of us belief that this issue has no business at either the State or Federal level, but is between the patient and the Doctor ONLY.

        Paul has stated that “The government shouldn’t be in the medical business.” ~ I agree. Which is why the Government has no business coming between a Doctor and Patient. Regulation of the insurance industry is a whole different ballgame.

        He believes that the Government should be in the business of deciding what is socially acceptable.
        ~ I do not. Either everyone is equal under the law, or they are not. And there had better be a damn good reason for denying a group of people equality. “It’s against my beliefs” is simply not a good enough reason.

        Paul considers Social Security unconstitutional, and he has sought for many years for the program to be phased out. He says that the Social Security system, which he has called “a giant Ponzi scheme,” is in “bad shape … The numbers aren’t there”; funds are depleting because Congress borrows from the Social Security fund every year to fund its budget. Paul’s 2013 budget proposal would guarantee to uphold Social Security commitments to older workers while allowing Americans under 25 to opt out of participating in the program.
        ~Well, now I know where that idiotic Ponzi scheme phrase came from. :-( The fact is that SSA works. It has worked for almost 80 years, and there is no reason to expect that it won’t continue working. What is needed is for the income cap to either be raised or removed. What is needed is for Congress to keep their hands off of the money in the fund.

        ~ As for it being Constitutional or not, Congress was given the right to raise and levy taxes. These are taxes. Enough said.

        Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 [Emphasis is mine]

        The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes TO LAY AND COLLECT TAXES, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

        Those are just a few major reasons that I will never vote for him. I don’t trust him, and I trust his son even less.

      • Karolyn

        Texas – Romney would not have gotten to where he is politically without being connected.

    • Daveh234

      Romney has had little success if proof is needed to substantiate his affairs.
      The documents from his term as governor are all wiped clean, as are the Olympics paperwork, all gone. Why would anyone hide their successes, if they were successes. What we do know is the State he ran had the 47th highest level of unemployment in the country during and after his term.

      • mjr47

        Romney was working with an 85% Democratic Legislature. ANYTHING he was able to accomplish should be commended…unlike ‘berry’, who had a majority of Democratics to ‘support’ him when he took office…and look what they got done…nothing good.

        Also, concerning the ‘numbers’…just seasonal, part time help. Probably got a push…if that’s even true, from just WalMart hiring help through the Holidays. WE won’t see that reflected in the lay off’s until after there’s nothing more to lie about and the election has already passed.

        Those who aren’t doing their homework and are just crowing about the numbers aren’t paying attention to all the Businesses who are saying they will be shutting their doors…permanently… if ‘berry’ gets ’4 more years’. Coal mines will be shutting down and cutting back…laying off around 1,500 workers down south. Another manufacturing plant , saying another 1,500 lay off’s…but were asked to hold off on the ‘pink slips’ til after the election. Attorneys for ‘berry’ said they’d pay for the ‘technicality of law’ in having to give those notices and would cover any lawsuits. That’s OUR tax dollars that will pay for those settlements!!

        Another 4 years will put us ALL on Govt ‘support’…the Fed can’t print enough money for ‘berry’ to cover it…it won’t matter by then anyway. ‘berry’s supporters WILL riot when they don’t get their monthly checks and free cell phones. THEY won’t be the ONLY ones out in the streets…we’ll ALL be there. Without anyone to tax, the Govt is going to come to a grinding HALT!!

        Google pictures of the ‘Great Depression’ and then substitute YOURSELF in THOSE pictures because THAT’s what is coming, only on a much larger scale. Without a growing economy through JOBS, there is nothing that will stop it.

        Romney is RIGHT, just as he was right about calling the murders at our embassy in Benghazi a terrorist attack. And just as he was right about the statement of the 47% still supporting ‘berry’…the numbers don’t lie. Only a turn around in our economy will change THAT statistical fact. We must give Romney a chance, because we already KNOW that we DON’T have a chance with ‘berry’!!

      • TexasRide

        Daveh, what you didn’t say is that when Romney became governor the state was 49th.
        It is all about what you people OMIT so that it will serve your purposes.

        And, yes, Governor Romney had a majority of democrats in his administration. He had to compromise with them to get anything done..

      • eddie47d

        Romney lied the the Democrats to get the job done. Hardly an honorable trait! He’s as tricky as Dicky was!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I’m sorry, Margo. You are being naive! romney got where he is because of WHO he is, WHO his father was, and WHO he knows! All of these “connections” got him his fortune! If you look at how he really got his start, you would know that he is “one of them”. They are a protected class! Success is based upon favors, payoffs and crooked little legal tricks!!! He’s not the wonderful guy that he’s being portrayed as. He is one of the elite. He follows orders by those who really got him to where he is today! He is NOT one of us! He doesn’t care about us! He can’t even relate to us! He’s never spent ONE day of his life, worrying about how to pay the bills! Don’t fall for his nice guy routine! He takes his orders from above, NOT from you and me!!! The elite are in the process of transferring ALL of the wealth to THEMSELVES!!! DON’T be taken in by charm!!! BOTH romney AND obumass are OWNED!!! We would do well to recognize that fact!!!

      • mjr47

        Nancy, you are right about one comment in your post …”He takes his orders from above”….It’s sad that you don’t realize the TRUTH in those words. Mitt is NOT a Globalist, NWO ‘shill’. He actually PRAYS for guidance, instead of getting advice from those who want to see the demise of America. His VP running mate is also a man of PRAYER. Just because they do not belong to the ‘religion’ that you may feel is ‘entitled to direction’ by the Holy Spirit, does not mean that God necessarily agrees with YOU!!

        David was not a ‘perfect’ man…he had many ‘flaws’ yet God blessed him. HE knew his heart and knew his Greatness. HIS plan for David was much greater than he deserved. HIS plan for us ALL is much greater than WE deserve!!

        Mitt Romney is a man…subject to ‘flaws’, imperfections and mistakes…GET OVER IT!! Romney is wealthy…VERY wealthy! You don’t seem to understand that wealth is not a character defect. God blessed David with more wealth than Mitt Romney will probably ever see in his lifetime. I’m not saying that Romney is David…I’m just using this as an analysis…a ‘point of reference’.

        Have you ever served a two year mission, trying to share something that you believe in?? Would you have continued if people were rude…slammed the door in your face?? Have you EVER given away a fortune of inheritance?? Have you ever built a SINGLE business, let alone, MULTIPLE BUSINESSES, that employee tens of thousands of people?? There are bound to be failures with all of this success. THAT is inevitable.

        Suspend your doubt and disbelief for a moment… Let’s say that …perhaps…just perhaps, Mitt Romney has been blessed with unique talents for just such a moment as this…to help this Nation. Let’s also presume that Barry Soetoro (or whatever his name really is) was ALSO put in his current position…a Goliath…to be an ‘instrument’ of turning the hearts and minds of America back to the God who Blessed this Nation. Since ALL things work to the Glory of God…this ‘might be a possibility’???

        As I see it, we are floundering in a vast ocean…with sharks swimming all around us. We are all crying out to God…”Save us…Oh PLEASE, just save us…We PROMISE we will NEVER let this happen again…please, Dear God…save us…this one last time” and a rowboat comes along…or, it could even be just a piece of driftwood. Maybe you were praying for a luxury ocean liner…but all you get is what’s here…are you really going to turn it down??

        I propose, that if you are drowning in an ocean…the storm clouds are gathering and the sharks are circling…you’d better climb into that rowboat and start paddling for all your worth!!

      • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Linda from NYC

        To Nancy,
        Right now all we have is Mitt, only time will tell what he is, obama on the other hand, we know what he is, and he is a muslim communist who is out to destroy this country. I rather take my chances with a morom then with a muslim communist as I said before time will tell if he is a good man or not.

      • TexasRide

        Nancy, I am sorry to hear that you are a Romney-hater. It sounds like you hate him because he is wealthy. He was born to wealth and didn’t have anything to say about it.

        And just a big FYI, he doesn’t need to apologize to anyone, including you, that he has been successful. If you were in his place, I imagine that you would enjoy it. You would not give your wealth away so you could struggle… Poor, struggling men don’t become president! And, there is a reason for that.

        We supposedly have a “poor struggling black man” as a fake president and you see what we have gotten because of that!

      • eddie47d

        Texas: Nancy doesn’t like Romney or Obama and is her own woman. She sees the evil within both which you should be more attuned to.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Ok, everybody! I’m NOT a Mormon hater and I DON’T hate rich people!!! Romney IS one of the elite! His connections go WAY back. Some of his early business dealings were very questionable! Look up and read how he “rescued” Bain and took it over! Romney was chosen as OUR candidate by the elite! He’s been running for years and the people have NEVER wanted him! But that’s who we got, take it or leave it!!! I’m betting you that Romney will win! Even though he’s been consistently behind. The elites have decided to let him have it so for the first time since obumass has been in office, the main stream media (owned by the elite) have been saying negative things about obumass! It was absolutely UNHEARD of before! Not only that, I believe that obumass was ordered to lose the debate! He has NEVER given a performance such as that! In the past when forced to speak without a TelePrompTer, he’s been able to memorize his lines. He practiced for this debate for a long time and I believe he lost on purpose! Nobody would just stand there looking down like, “aw shucks”! This whole thing is a scam! BOTH candidates are puppets of the elite!!! When Romney gets elected, nothing will change! Nothing will improve! Our economy has been destroyed and our country has been destroyed INTENTIONALLY!!! This is about power and control! Dont forget, BOTH parties voted for the patriot acts I and II, the NDAA, and the banker bailouts!!! This is not about US (republicans) vs THEM (democrats)! This is about US (the people) vs THEM (those with TRUE power who are destroying OUR country)!!! The two party system is an ILLUSION!!! NO ONE represents US!!! THAT’S why things aren’t getting better for US!!! If we don’t wake up and see the TRUTH, it will be TOO LATE!!!

    • Gordon

      Margo, I believe that Romney is a good person with financial sense. Since idealism results in a perot victory, Romney is our hope. If zero re-ups, this Nation will fall.

    • Carol

      That a Girl!!!

  • Michael J.

    Dear Bob,
    Thanks for the vivid illustration. Graphs are also great and could be utilized for a view of the phony behavior, phony record, phony stats that our inteligence is assaulted with on a daily basis. Such a venue might be dubbed a “Phony-O-Graph”.

    • eddie47d

      Why would anyone take the word of Jack Welch? While CEO of GE he cooked the books on more than one occasion. Do as I say not as I do?

      • DaveH

        And your proof for that claim is where, Eddie?

      • eddie47d

        I found it on the back of a ceral box smarty pants!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        eddie47d, I would just take that as more evidence that he KNOWS what he’s talking about! Crooks always recognize each other! Face it!!! They’re ALL crooks!!! They ALL lie!!! If we don’t recognize THAT, we’re in trouble!!!

      • Ted Crawford

        He probably finds it in his Uncle Sauls Rule 5 of Ethics! Ridicule and clothe in a moral arguement! A very versitle rule, the little twits love it!

      • Gordon

        Facts are that 98% of all people LACK ethics, integrity, and honor. period…. you know it’s true….. at least be honest with YOURSELF…if the shoe fits,,,, wear it.

      • DaveH

        Don’t know about 98%, but we definitely have evolved into a Society of Criminals:
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

  • Warrior

    My personal “net worth” has declined every year under this so called “leadership”. I’m confident that I am in the same situation as 10′s of millions of other Americans. It is clear they have no ambitions on turning this situation around, Period. The marxists want to make as many as possible “beholden” to the gubmint. OUT WITH PROGRESSIVES, NOW! Stop this War on Americans, Nov 6th.

    • eddie47d

      Were you that passionate about about ousting Bush/Cheney? I love how Republicans create problems then pull out the Marxist card and develop selective amnesia. I really don’t care if you don’t like Obama and there are reasons to vote him out. There are also reasons to keep Romney out and no where near Washington. Crony Capitalism crashed our economy not Socialism or Marxism. So enough of this smoke and mirrors and and this attempt to install one of the worst abusers of that same Wall Street platform.

      • DaveH

        Eddie says — “Were you that passionate about about ousting Bush/Cheney?”.
        Non sequitur, Eddie. It’s what we’ve come to expect from you.

      • eddie47d

        The truth hurts Dave when he can only produce a lazy comeback.

        • tony

          eddie47d why would anyone listen to you when you support population control tactics ????

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        eddie47d says: “Were you that passionate about bush/cheney?”.

        eddie, I hadn’t woken up yet! I’ll admit that I was fooled! I now see bush/cheney for EXACTLY who they are!!! Are you going to wake up and see that obumass is the SAME?!? The names are really interchangeable! They are ALL taking orders from the SAME people!!! WHY do you DEFEND them?!? The FACTS are coming into view! Try to clear your vision just a little bit more!!! SEE the TRUTH!!!

      • tony

        Anyone who supports Obama is a supporter of population Control a very harsh reality when our choices to expand the supply of our needs is a much better path towards Peace !!! You cannot have Peace without an abundant supply and what this president and his minions are advocating is a Redistribution of an existing supply while the population is still growing , Wake Up Wake Up think about the reality of what we are doing here when we elect leaders and take what they and their advocacy are saying into account . !!!

        • Gea

          Obama has nothing to do with the population control, since he is a supporter of Islam, which itself is promoting making babies by old guys who can afford purchasing wives while the young poor guys rely on blowing themselves up (while murdering Jews and Americans) in order to get a fast ticket into Muslim paradise with 72 virgins and 12 per-pubescent boys “to do with them as they please”.

          With over 7 billions of humans on Earth, which is unable to feed all those multitudes, one should remember that the Biblical instruction to Adam was given where there were only 2 humans on Earth.

          Obama is a traitor of American values but that has nothing to do with his stand of birth control, which is probably similar to those of his religion Islam, where man is measured by the number of kids he sires. Osama bin Ladin’s father had 27 wives (4 at any one time) and 53 children including Osama, who only had 24 children from 7 wives (4 at any one time). .

          • tony

            GEA REALLY , give me a Break , science CZAR Holdren is a co associate of Ehrlich who says all the time you and I need to be reduced off the face of the earth as well as Cass Susutien , all of which are ANTI Economic growth Anti Supply-siders which is in turn ANTI Population growth .

            And all supporting Islam is doing is destabilizing the Middle East by enabling the radicals for the Greater goal of crashing the Free World Oil Market that will usher in a nationalization of the free markets here in the USA forming the bases for dictatorship to stabilize Hyper Inflation in the USA by Obama the goal of the extreme environmental Marxists who support this president . I bet even Hank Paulson voted for this 2 faced fraud !!!

          • Gea

            Obama IS a danger not only to US but to entire Western civilization, but it has nothing to do with his stand of population control. His policies support Marxism and Islam, both supremacist ideologies incompatible with decent human rights and liberty.

            Our free market mechanisms, if allowed to work, would not cause overpopulation around the world, because if people could not feed them, they would not have all those babies, who in the US often live on the dole and are left to the streets thus causing crime. Obama had made US into a food-stamp country where in my county the food stamps expenditures tripped since Obama came to power. Every sixth person in on some kind of government assistance in my mid-west county. Pprostitutes, pimps and drug dealers who do not have taxable income can get free phones and other perks paid for by the working Americans whose jobs are being constantly threatened.

            As somebody said: The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money. Obama had already run our of working Americans money and is borrowing heavily from China and others to continue this insane dysfunctional madness in USA. His Islamist sympathies and working to subvert US Constitution in order to defend truth about Islam to be known to Americans, is making him a complete traitor of American values. He should resign and not be allowed to run for another term in which he could finish is job of destroying US.

          • tony

            More People were eliminated under Marxist regimes than any other time in Modern History .

          • Gea

            Sharia-run countries may have eliminated more people than Marxist ruled countries but in 57 Muslim majority countries, terrorism and murder of one;s opponents may be a way of population control which had been going out of hand, since Muslim men judge their manhood by the number of kids they sire with their multiple wives ;-)! Osama bin Ladin’s rich dad had 27 wives (4 at any one time) and 54 children from them, while Osama only had 7 wives (4 at any one time) and 23 children. Those terrorist genes must propagate to take over the world ;-)! In contrast Marxist do not multiply so fast and had given up, while Muslims send their brood to politically correct Europeans and Australians where they are trying to establish their nasty sharia too ;-)!

          • tony

            I agree with you !!! Plus its the Educational values that free market theorists create that promotes sustainable growth , the fertility charts prove this truth in the way Industrialized nations have Sustainable growth , its the illegal Immigration thats skewing the Facts , and creating states insolvency .

      • TexasRide

        GEA, omaumau’s population control doesn’t include the moos! Take a guess who he wants to get rid of, and it is not his moo-buddies.

      • eddie47d

        Tony is so full of it. We survived as a nation with only a few million and had true greatness just a few decades ago with half the population. More people doesn’t equal greatness so keep peddling your misinformation.

        • tony

          Eddie We the People don’t need a Obama dictatorship forcing Population Control on our Lives what we need is the Immigration Laws to be Upheld , but thats wrong for Obama to gain the Illegal Vote , oh thats why they don’t want voter ID oh and if you look at the fertility charts the USA is a Sustainable Population growth with a Capitalist system thats expanding supply so for Obama to impose his brand of Control through EPA regulation is because of he and his Minions Ideology for what is best for we the people , THATS NOT a GOVERNMENT OF , BY and For the People !!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/CaptainPhoto51 Theo Miller

        Way to go Nancy! These poor idiots who are still wading around in the Democrat vs. Republican paradigm are wading in Deep Doo Doo! Those bastards known as politicians are all the same! Way to go Nancy!!!

        • tony

          Yes I agree all the Politicians that allowed the LIBOR Interest rate Manipulation should be tried for Treason !!!!

      • eddie47d

        You are an oddball Tony. You say there is population control and then in the same breath say there are too many immigrants which adds to the population. Think about how dumb that sounds.

  • Alex

    Blame Grover Norquist, not President Obama.

    The House has refused to act on the president’s job bill which would employ 22 million people, simply because it asks the wealthiest Americans to step up and pay their fair share.
    By remaining beholding to Norquist, the GOP legislators are going against the 67 per cent
    of Americans who favor keeping the Bush Tax Cuts for those making under $250,000 and
    allowing them to expire for those making above that.

    The Bush Tax Cuts were, of course, supposed to create jobs by allowing the wealthiest in the country to “trickle (jobs) down” to struggling American families. So, then, WHERE ARE the jobs from ELEVEN YEARS of Bush Tax Cuts? Where are they?

    The GOP has shown us over and over that the only thing that trickles down is urine, which
    the Reich Wing bottles and calls “Tea”…

    Yet, people continue to swallow the GOP Big Lie! Mr Livingston, you certainly help keep that lie alive, so I ask you—Where are the jobs from 11 years of Bush Tax Cuts?

    The one true quote ever uttered about Capitalism is this: “There’s a sucker born every minute.”

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Alex,

      I note your response avoids the article’s premise.

      You write: “The House has refused to act on the president’s job bill which would employ 22 million people…” The same way that passing the economic stimulus in 2009 would bring unemployment to 6 percent? Wild-eyed speculation, at best.

      You write: “Yet, people continue to swallow the GOP Big Lie! Mr Livingston, you certainly help keep that lie alive…” Please point out where I have supported the broad GOP agenda.

      You write: “Where are the jobs from 11 years of Bush Tax Cuts?” I have no interest in this false discussion.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Alex

        “{F}alse discussion”? Really?
        Were not the BTC implemented to spur the economy?

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Alex,

          You write: “‘{F}alse discussion’? Really?” Really. I am not and never have been an advocate for Bush or his economic policies.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Alex

        Also, Mr Livingston, as you are a self-proclaimed Libertarian (I believe) I realize that you are at odds with the GOP on many fronts, but no one is so silly to believe that Libertarians are really anything more than Republicans who like to get high….

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Alex,

          You write: “Also, Mr Livingston, as you are a self-proclaimed Libertarian (I believe)…” You believe incorrectly.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH

        Where has Bob claimed to be Libertarian, Alex?
        And you don’t even know what a Libertarian advocates, Alex, so don’t pretend that you do.
        For those who would like to learn:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

      • Alex

        DaveH—I did say that I believed Mr Livingston to be a self-procvlaimed Libertarian. Am I wrong?

      • DaveH

        As usual you didn’t answer the question, Alex.

      • JeffH

        Alex is right, he said he “believed”…LMAO now!

        Yes Alex, you believe in a lot of things that aren’t real or even true…are you by any chance related to eddie? Just askin’?

        • Deerinwater

          Evidently you wish to forget the first lie, ~ that Tax cuts would create job growth or was this just pertaining to growth generated for attorneys, bankers and officers of the courts as bankruptcy, repo and forecloses reached record highs?

          It’s truly amusing to the amount of pain and suffering of other people the GOP can ignore as the merits of Flag Day dominates the House floor.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Alex,

        I am not a Republican or a Libertarian. But even I know that there is a difference. In a lot of instances, a BIG difference.

        For the most part, Republicans are for a centralized Government of just about everything, just as large as the Democrats are for, including economic engineering for the top percentage of the country. The Dems are more for economic engineering for the mid-to-lower part of the country. The Libertarians are very much for a de-centralized Government and that Government as small as possible. Defense of our country, maintaining roads and infrastructure are two of the few powers that Libertarians adhere to.

        While most of the Libertarians that I am acquainted with would deny it to their dying day, ;-) Libertarians are more closely related politically with the Democrats. Neither group, for the most part, want the Government with their oars in any social area. Kind of a “you stay on your side of the fence, and I’ll stay on mine”. This applies to our private lives, also. Which is part of why the Dems fight to so hard for equal treatment under the law. Equal treatment for everyone, not just the ones you agree with.

        • Frank Kahn

          When you say Democrats, are you talking about the people living today? I would enjoy debating you on how Obama is for small government. Keeping their noses out of our business, what country are you living in? The Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans in wanting to interfere with our daily lives.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        I found an interesting quiz about our political beliefs.
        http://www.politicalcompass.org/

        Apparently, I’m somewhere between the Left and Libertarian. I did know that I am not on the Authoritarian side.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        On the Political Compass, I am at -5.9,-4.4

      • Karolyn

        tlgeer – Cool test. I scored -5.75 and -5.49 – below where Ghandi is shown – more toward Libertarian. So oI guess I would be called a left-leaning almost libertarian. Whatever. Thanks for the link.

      • Karolyn

        Did you check out the page with the politicians’ positions? They have Obama right-wing authoritarian with the rest of them, with Rick Santorum being the most authoritarian. Extremely interesting analysis. I”m more libertarian than Ron Paul, although to his extreme left.

      • DaveH

        TLGeer says — “maintaining roads and infrastructure are two of the few powers that Libertarians adhere to”.
        Sorry, TL, but you are wrong about that.
        Read this to learn how wrong:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

        TLGeer says — “Libertarians are more closely related politically with the Democrats”.
        Hardly, TL. Libertarians believe in strict Property Rights which is the Polar Opposite of Democrats. Democrats want to help themselves to other peoples’ property.

        As far as your Democratic Equal Rights goes, TL — Who defines “equality”?
        Democrat leaders espouse such concepts merely to grow their Power over the rest of us, and to buy votes from ignorant people. Equality doesn’t come at the point of a gun.

        • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

          “Democrats want to help themselves to other peoples’ property.”

          Sorry, DaveH, you are wrong.

          The Dems do believe in personal property rights. They, also, believe that a Government should not be able to co-opt a piece of land simply because they want to build something on it to make money, like the Republican’s do.

          As a Dem, I want my Government to:

          1. Stay out of my life, my bedroom and my marriage. As long as consensual adults are involved it’s no one else business. Period. That means passing laws to negate laws that interfere with that. Laws, if necessary, should be made to treat everyone equally even if some people do not like what is done with that right.
          2 Short of poisoning the ground, or interfering with someone’s air right’s, what I do on my land is my business. As long as it doesn’t interfere with anyone else. Not liking is not interfering.
          3. My religious beliefs are up to me. And they are up to me to teach to my children, grandchildren, etc. If I choose to have my children religiously schooled, it is up to me. As an adherent to the US Constitution I expect the Government schools to not teach about any religion except as a class in ALL of them.
          4. If I choose to not send my children to public school, I will either home-school or pay for a private school myself. It is not up to the Government to use my taxes for religious or non-public schools. Doing so would expand the Governments intrusion into my life.
          5. I am conflicted about the gun laws. While I am firmly behind the 2nd Amendment I, also, do think that there are citizens who should not be allowed to own them (violent felons, psychiatric patients who have been non-voluntarily committed, other than 3 day holding periods, people who have been found to be a ward of the courts because of disabilities or mental incompetence). That section or people are, also, in the minority in this country.
          6. Your religious beliefs are yours, and you do not have the right to impose them on me. No matter how strongly you feel about it.

      • DaveH

        Karolyn says — “I”m more libertarian than Ron Paul, although to his extreme left”.
        Pardon me, Karolyn, while I choke on my food.
        You don’t have a clue what it takes to be Libertarian.

    • Gea

      I would rather have Capitalism than Marxism and/or Islam which ARE ideologies promoted by Barak Hussein Obama who had been living up to his middle name and the teachings of his tutor in Hawaii, Frank Marshall Davis, a member of Hawaiian Communist Party.

      Both of those ideologies belong to a dungheap of history because whenever they were tried they led to poverty, misery and tyranny. Just look at what happened in Soviet Union or ANY of the 57 Muslim majority countries! Now, Europe has to feed 50 millions of Muslims who came as a result of their sharia-run dysfunctional countries, and they are using liberty to subvert Western civilization and make it into basket case economies just as Muslim and former socialist countries are.

      Obama is a traitor of American values because he is a true believer of both dysfuctional ideologies of Marxism and Islam , which are incompatible with decent human life and liberty in US.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Your post would be fine, except that Obama is neither a Marxist or a Muslim. And there is no proof that he is.

        • Gea

          There is a plenty of proof of Obama’s Marxist Islamist agenda EVERY day if you are not blinded by political correctness, which dismisses them, even if they bite you by the butt.

          Obama giving $1,500 millions of US taxpayers money to misogynist, genocidal supremacist Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt is just one of the evidence. The first “law’ that those Islamists of Egypt had passed is to allow men to have sex with their dead wives up to 12 hours after her death. Women on the streets of Egypt are constantly being molested by those Muslim brothers who now rule Egypt. Obama is a traitor!

          Obama bowed to Saudi king whose subjects committed crimes of 9/11 screaming Allahu Akbar, while Obama extolls Islam and Koran and disses Bible. Obama’s tutor in Hawaii (from age 10-18) was a member of the Hawaiian Communist Party and both his father and stepfather were Muslim Marxist. Obama uses Islamic taqiyya (lies mandated by Koran when Muslims live among non-Muslims) to cover up his vile acts and aspirations. He must be gone from any position of power.

    • mjr47

      And YOU are proof positive of THAT!!

    • mjr47

      Sorry…this is to Alex for his ‘sucker born every minute’ comment…And YOU are proof positive of THAT!!

  • Earth

    Fort Know is empty.
    All the gold has been sold.
    America is thus bankrupt, and does not even have one single gold bar left as a reserve.
    See the full article in the German on-line magazine Spiegel-online.
    http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/verschwoerungstheorien-der-wirtschaft-fort-knox-ist-leer-a-859746.html

    • TexasRide

      Earth, I think you mean “All the gold has been stolen.”

  • Alex

    Another question, Mr Livingston—you seem to be somewhat educated, as least much more so than the bulk of your readers—how is it you refer to President Obama as a
    “phony president”?

    Like him or not, Barack Hussein Obama was elected by a wide margin. What is phony?

    • http://yahoo.com bobdavidson

      Because he is a Kenyan and should be ousted, a phony, no ? Have him prove it.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Alex,

      You write: “how is it you refer to President Obama as a ‘phony president’?
      Phony birth certificate:
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/06/18/is-this-why-obama-wont-release-a-real-birth-certificate/
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/18/arpaio-again-doubts-obama-birth-document/
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/25/how-can-anyone-be-a-birther/
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/03/02/cold-case-posse-determines-obama-documents-to-be-forgeries/

      Phony Social Security card:
      http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/a_possible_explanation_for_obamas_connecticut_social_security_number.html
      http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obamas-social-security-number-challenged/

      Phony narrative:
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/06/08/suspending-all-logic/
      http://www.prisonplanet.com/bombshell-barack-obama-conclusively-outed-as-cia-creation.html
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/09/obamas-college-classmate-speaks-out-the-scandal-at-columbia-that-ends-the-obama-presidency/

      That’s just a start. Now I have a question for you. One that I asked before but you never answered. In response to a comment by DaveH in September, you responded: “DaveH–Why can you not say what YOU want to say? Why are you always sending people down rabbit holes? Nobody cares what the discredited Ludwig von Mises Institute has to say.”

      Following is my response to you, that you avoided? Will you respond now?
      Dear Alex,

      You write: “Nobody cares what the discredited Ludwig von Mises Institute has to say.” Actually many people do, apparently. Just not fools like you. Here are a few of the senior scholars at Mises.
      John P. Cochran is the dean of the School of Business and a professor of economics at the Metropolitan State College of Denver.

      Thomas James DiLorenzo is professor of economics at Loyola University He is the author or co-author of 10 books, on subjects such as antitrust, group-interest politics, and interventionism generally.
      David Gordon is a philosopher, historian, and senior fellow. He was educated at UCLA, where he earned his PhD in intellectual history. He is author of three books and editor and co-editor of two publications and regular contributor to many more.

      Jeffrey M. Herbener is a professor of economics at Grove City College and a senior fellow.
      Hans-Hermann Hoppe (b. 1949) is Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and Distinguished Fellow.

      Jörg Guido Hülsmann (born May 18, 1966) is a professor of economics at the University of Angers in France and adherent of the Austrian School. He has edited six books and is the author of two more. He has translated several renowned economics books into German and written many articles in English, French, and German. He is a contributor to scholarly journals and is the director of the Austrian Research Seminar in Paris.
      Joseph T. Salerno is a professor at Pace University, an editor of the Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics, and Academic Vice President of the Mises Institute. Salerno specializes in monetary theory and policy, comparative economics, and the history of economic thought.

      Thomas E. Woods, Jr. (born August 1, 1972) is an American historian and New York Times bestselling author. He holds a Bachelor’s Degree from Harvard University and a Ph.D. in history from Columbia University. He served as a history department faculty member at Suffolk County Community College in New York until 2006, and is now resident scholar and senior faculty member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute (LvMI) in Auburn, Alabama, as well as a member of the editorial board for Libertarian Papers[2].

      He was an ISI Richard M. Weaver Fellow in 1995–96. Woods was also the recipient of the 2004 O.P. Alford III Prize for Libertarian Scholarship and of an Olive W. Garvey Fellowship from the Independent Institute in 2003. He has additionally been awarded two Humane Studies Fellowships and a Claude R. Lambe Fellowship from the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University. Woods is co-editor of Exploring American History: From Colonial Times to 1877, an eleven-volume encyclopedia.

      As there are best-selling and widely published authors, college professors and paid speakers on the list, apparently many people care what they have to say.

      Now, Alex, please tell us your credentials. How many books have you authored? Journals edited? Articles published? Classes taught? Please tell us about your degrees.

      Also, please inform the readers how the Ludwig von Mises Institute is “discredited”?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Alex

        Dear Mr Livingston,
        I did not ‘avoid’ your question–I didn’t see it.
        I do not sit around all day looking to see what is on the PLD. I post for a bit. I check back for a bit, then go back to the thing I call “life”.
        As for the Ludwig von Mises Institute—firstly, they advocate a form of capitalism which has proven wholly unworkable.
        Second, they are liars who continue to propagate false reasoning behind the War of Southern Belligerence.
        Ludwig von Mises Institute—-discredited.
        Hope that helps you out, Mr Livingston.
        Again, I thank you for the forum you provide for divergent views.
        One question, how did you direct your question to me, when there are other posters who simply use the name “Alex”? You DID get the right guy, Mr Livingston–I am just curious how you determined the right one…
        Best Wishes to you and yours, Alex

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Alex,

          You write: “As for the Ludwig von Mises Institute—firstly, they advocate a form of capitalism which has proven wholly unworkable.” When and by whom was it “proven wholly unworkable?”

          You write: “Second, they are liars who continue to propagate false reasoning behind the War of Southern Belligerence.” What “false reasoning?”

          You write: “Ludwig von Mises Institute—-discredited.” I’m not sure your “arguments” win in any forum beyond your own mind. Also, you failed to mention your scholarship, your publications, your degrees… or any credentials that provide weight to your position.

          You write: “Again, I thank you for the forum you provide for divergent views.” You are welcome.

          You write: “One question, how did you direct your question to me, when there are other posters who simply use the name “Alex”? You DID get the right guy, Mr Livingston–I am just curious how you determined the right one…” It is a very simple proposition on the internet.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Alex, the two legged wolf, first you savage the article, then the posters you hate. When you are called out, you play that you are the victim and are apologetic and contrite.

      • DaveH

        Thank you for posting, Alex, so that the readers can see the level of intellectual bankruptcy that is displayed by Liberal Progressives.

      • Gordon

        ALEX: You really don’t comprehend how computers work, do you.

      • Dave67

        Bob, the Birth Certificate again? Really?

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

        http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

        You are embarrassing yourself to be thrown in with all the nutjobs that have been exposed

      • momo

        Alex gets his a$$ kicked by Bob Livingston!

      • mjr47

        My God ‘Mr Livingston’…you really know how to decimate an incompetent ‘wanna be intellectual’!!!! I noticed that he STILL didn’t answer your question! Alex had better ‘tuck tail and run for the nearest hole’ as he obviously can’t muster the arsenol that you have to back up his unfounded claims. He kind of sounded like obama…all talk with nothing to back it up.

      • JeffH

        Dave67, “the birth certificate again”?…then cites snopes.com. Tell us again about who can be a “natural born citizen” while you’re at it.

        Yeah, Obama’s posted birth certificate is a forgery and Obama’s eligibility attorney, Alexandra Hill, acknowledged that it was fraudulent.

        Armed with a number of witnesses, including an expert who was willing to testify that Obama’s birth certificate, posted online in April 2011 by the White House, was fraudulent, Apuzzo(plaintiff attorney) was instead told to holster his guns.

        “We were willing to present that what’s online has been manipulated by computer, human, or both and that it’s not reliable. I told them I was ready to prove that and if they didn’t want this witness to testify then concede that,” he said. “I got Obama (Obama’s attorney Hill) to concede that there is no evidence before the court as to his place of birth, which includes what’s on the internet.”

        Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.

        Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate.

        At the hearing, attorney for the plaintiffs, Mario Apuzzo, correctly argued that Obama, under the Constitution, has to be a “natural born Citizen” and that he has not met his burden of showing that he is eligible to be on the New Jersey primary ballot by showing that he is indeed a “natural born Citizen.”
        http://johnmalcolm.me/2012/04/19/obama-lawyer-admits-in-court-birth-certificate-on-white-house-website-is-a-forgery/

      • Dave67

        To JeffH

        If Obama cannot be president because he is not a “naturalized” citizen as you define it than Mitt should drop out right now. Mitt’s father was born in Mexico genius.

        Here is more proof that Sheriff Joe is a taxpayer money abuser, liar and media hound. Enjoy your spanking…

        Joe Arpaio’s New Birther “Evidence,” as Usual, Was Debunked Months AgoBy Matthew Hendley Wed., Jul. 18 2012 at 12:29 PM 30 CommentsCategories: Birthers (sigh)

        Chief birther [expletive deleted] Mike Zullo.
        If you’re among the people who are still on the fence about President Obama’s birth certificate, or think that Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his birther gang are presenting anything remotely credible, this one’s for you.

        Just like Arpaio’s announcement on March 1 that he had evidence Obama’s using a phony birth certificate, his birther buddies are using recycled theories — theories that were debunked months before Arpaio and friends presented them to the world as “evidence.”

        Not only are the theories false — which, unfortunately, we’ll explain — Arpaio and his buddies presented information to the public that they know is false.

        The best “evidence” Arpaio and the birthers presented was that penciled-in codes on the birth certificate don’t match federal guidelines, which they claim to believe is clear evidence of a forgery (see their video here).

        In one box on Obama’s birth certificate, there’s a box titled “race of father,” which is filled in as “African.” The number nine is penciled in next to it.

        Arpaio and lead “investigator” Mike Zullo say that according to the federal guide in 1961 — the year of Obama’s birth — that number nine meant “unknown or not stated.”

        That’s false, and it’s nearly impossible that Arpaio’s birther gang didn’t know that.

        After approximately two minutes on the Internet — no, we didn’t have to blow $10,000 on a trip to Hawaii — we found this exact theory, and the documentation proving it false, from Obama Conspiracy Theories.

        The coding for the number nine in the race meant “unknown or not stated” in the guide for 1968. In 1961, it meant “other nonwhite.”

        On top of that, Arpaio’s birther pals conveniently cropped the area of the 1968 guide to omit the fact that they were referring to a section called “race of child,” not “race of father.” (Click here for the whole document.)

        The birther gang proceeded to call the 95-year-old woman who coded and signed Obama’s birth certificate to ask her if she made this error, and she said she did not — because the accusation is false.

        The other theory about the Nordyke twins and sequential numbering was also lifted by Arpaio and friends from the same authors of the race theory, and has also been debunked.

        That leaves Arpaio and friends with stories about how nobody wanted to play their birther games in Hawaii, as they went around claiming to be police officers and asking for documents, as well as more “forensic computer analysis.”

        All of the computer things have consistently been debunked, and a quick Google search for Garrett Papit — the guy who did the latest one — will show you that this gentleman has been involved in birther theories on the Internet for more than a year now.

        For the rest of you who never bought an ounce of Arpaio’s “investigation” anyway, we apologize for wasting your time.

      • JeffH

        Dave67 says “If Obama cannot be president because he is not a “naturalized” citizen as you define it than Mitt should drop out right now. Mitt’s father was born in Mexico genius.”

        Your arguement is non sequiter and failed immediately when you used the word “naturalized”…bad attempt.

        Obama is not a “natural born citizen”…and why do you bring Mitt’s father into play? We’re talking about the current POTUS’s constitutional in-eligibility here, not Mitts!

        Genius…NOT…Speaking of DUH!

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        JeffH,

        Seven (7) State Courts have seen Obama’s certified, state-issued BC and found that Obama IS a Natural Born Citizen.

        One of them, New York’s Kings Country Superior Court states specifically it was dismissing complaint seeking declaration that Obama is not eligible for presidency because he was not born in US and was not born to two US citizen parents; finding that persons born in US are “natural born citizens” per Wong Kim Ark and Ankeny, regardless of parentage and rejecting birther argument to the contrary; reserving for later ruling motion for sanctions.

        That anyone chooses to NOT believe that Obama, especially based on the evidence, is NOT a Natural Born Citizen does not make it true. The State of Hawaii, and the Couts, have the last say. And they are saying that he is.

      • JeffH

        tlgeer says “Seven (7) State Courts have seen Obama’s certified, state-issued BC and found that Obama IS a Natural Born Citizen.”

        That is a lie tlgeer. No state or federal court has ever seen a “certified” copy of Obama’s birth certificate. Obama could never be a “natural born citizen” under Article II of the Constitution. His father was a British subject and never a US citizen which means Obama had “duel” citizenship…I don’t expect you to understand that but I’ll provide a link for you to check out, which wxplains everything regarding “natural born citizen” in detail.
        http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/goatsledge/20081109%20Obama%20Citizenship%20Facts.pdf

      • JeffH

        4 SUPREME COURT CASES DEFINE4 ‘NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
        http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1308252582

        You cite Kim Wong Ark…United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

        In this case, Wong Kim Ark, the son of 2 resident Chinese aliens, claimed U.S. Citizenship and was vindicated by the court on the basis of the 14th Amendment. In this case the Justice Gray gave the opinion of the court. On p. 168-9 of the record, He cites approvingly the decision in Minor vs. Happersett:

        At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

        On the basis of the 14th Amendment, however, the majority opinion coined a new definition for “native citizen”, as anyone who was born in the U.S.A., under the jurisdiction of the United States. The Court gave a novel interpretation to jurisdiction, and thus extended citizenship to all born in the country (excepting those born of ambassadors and foreign armies etc.); but it did not extend the meaning of the term “natural born citizen.”

        Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

        This case concerned Mrs. Happersett, an original suffragette, who in virtue of the 14th Amendment attempted to register to vote in the State of Missouri, and was refused because she was not a man. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in that year, wrote the majority opinion, in which he stated:

        The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.

        CONCLUSION

        Finally it should be noted, that to define a term is to indicate the category or class of things which it signifies. In this sense, the Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

        Hence every U.S. Citizen must accept this definition or categorical designation, and fulfil his constitutional duties accordingly. No member of Congress, no judge of the Federal Judiciary, no elected or appointed official in Federal or State government has the right to use any other definition; and if he does, he is acting unlawfully, because unconstitutionally.

  • http://mozilla robert e. lee

    phony this ;;phony that ;; all coming from the “phony in chief”……..

    • Alex

      Wow—did your parents really name you after a traitor who killed more Americans than
      Osama bin Laden, or is that a nickname you assumed to look like an idiot?

      • DaveH

        Traitor? How so, Alex?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So did your parents name you after a Tyrant that killed and conquered people and nations?

  • roger gunderson

    Just go back and listen to Obama when running for president and then tell me he don’t lie. I have no respect for this man.

  • eddie47d

    We all know Bob Livingston is no fan of Mitt Romney and doesn’t hold back in saying so. This is a delicate dance in trying to demonize Obama more so than Romney yet not chasing away the Republican base.

    • Alex

      Well, he needs dance lessons, that’s for sure. He has two right feet…

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear eddie47d,

      You write: “This is a delicate dance in trying to demonize Obama more so than Romney yet not chasing away the Republican base.” You are not capable of analyzing my motives.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • deerinwater

        Perhaps not Mr. Livingston, ~ but clearly you are painted into a corner this election and there is no good selection to make ~ It’s hard to find a fitting thing to say. ~ If it were up to me , I would say ~ let us quit attempting to win battles at the cost of losing the war and play the long game with an eye on recapturing control over the creation of our currency. What ground work can be done to gain the upper hand with positional play? Support the disciples of Ron Paul?

        What I fear is the hyjacking that will surly be attempted of any organized movement that make substantial gains to that end. ~ Rebel forces will be infiltrated by the opposition to rebel forces and it turns it into a circus of disorganization, culminating into a blood bath and the resulting bad press, ~ followed by a down verdict rendered in the court of public opinion.

        Unseating entrench power is a very difficult thing to attempt to do. They don’t cotton to losing status, power, money or position very well.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear deerinwater,

          You write: “but clearly you are painted into a corner this election and there is no good selection to make” I am in no corner and have made clear that I will not participate in making a false a choice. Meantime, I will continue to point out the lies the elites use to maintain the false paradigm.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

    • Shelia

      I agree Eddie

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Sheila, GO read a book!!! LEARN something!!! You are a gnat!!!

    • JeffH

      This is what eddie is really saying.

      “eddie says: my comments are permanently moderated because I say what I think(?)and attack PLD’s contributors every chance I can because I disagree with them. Because I am so deeply dedicated to the Democrat(Socialist Party) I feel it’s my duty to protect and defend them despite the truth or the facts.

      I support the marxist/communist/fascist/socialist/progressive in the White House because I believe in re-distribution of wealth, crony-capitalism and what I learn and believe from Obama’s supporting liberal media. I suffer from a serious disease, “class envy”. Ignore the fact that I am, and always will be, confused(my middle name)and will continue forward(got that from Obama too)and do my best to discredit that which I have no clue about. Please note, although I am a pathalogical liar, I only lie because I have no other arguementative skills nor do I even realize I’m lying because I believe what I say and will always stand by my words unless I deny I ever said them, despite the evidence that proves otherwise.

      …and he thinks he knows what Mr. Livingston’s real motives are…

      • eddie47d

        Were you Dumb or Dumber in that movie Jeff H . Did you lie in school to get your graduation certificate too? I hear you did get an A in Moron training and were at the top of the class. I can’t wait for the next chapter with Bob showing Romney’s nose twice as long as Obama’s. How about you? Now if you want to play the innocent biased sheeple then keep on posting you foolish little man.

      • JeffH

        eddie, a might speechless are ye? To close to home for you I see. You’re rendered to your typically childish garble and meaningless parroting.

        In your case though, being stupid is its own reward.

  • VICTOR MORALES

    VICTOR
    WE WILL ALL SEE ON NOV 6TH WERE AMERICAN WILL GO FROM THIS DATE LET US ALL PRAY

  • thomas aulisio

    Seasonal adjustments are a legit adjustment. The real joke here is the participation rate which has fallen by almost fifteen percent. Basically people have gone on unemployment then after that expires welfare. The true unemployment rate is the unemployment rate plus the percentage of people on welfare roles. Check out that number to see how the economy is really doing.

    • Patriot1776

      If we want a true measure of the rate of employment and the health of the jobs market, we should look at the ratio of employed people to the population. That coupled with the income mode would show the reality of the economy.

    • DaveH

      Thomas says — “Seasonal adjustments are a legit adjustment”.
      Perhaps, Thomas, but if so, why don’t they reveal the adjustment factors, and why don’t they report the real figures, with the caveat of “seasonal” factors, so that people can make up their own minds?

  • http://internetexpl archangle

    It beooves me that some people are believe that job crap it’s Oct every retail and mail shiping so on and so on are taking on workers for Christmas holiday then jan will go back and probaly worse

    • Alex

      Ma’am, you need a large cup of coffee with two heaping spoons of coherence….

      • DaveH

        Unlike the two teaspoons of credibility that must be served with your coffee, Alex, to make up for your lack of credibility.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Alex, I understood Archangle just fine, and he/she is RIGHT!!! Holiday hiring started in September, here in Nebraska. I does seem early to me but there have been signs up for holiday help for weeks! My daughter works at the mall and her store hired three tempory workers last month. I know because she is training them!!!

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      The job figures for the Christmas will not come out until after the first of the year. They don’t come out in advance, they come out after.

  • ImListening

    The books have been cook’n for some time. Tax evasion, Fast and Furious, Presidential Pardon of Holder, Voter Fraud, War with Libya, Immigration, Government Oil reserves, Solar panel failures, Windmill failures, Car Bailout failures and the list goes on.

    Why ever would someone vote for such a crooked, lying, Mob Boss?

    • Daveh234

      Most everything you just said is not true….Malarkey would be the kind term to give it.
      What BS>

      • Alex

        She is just repeating the same Reich Wing memes and squawking points she sucked from the Faux Noose tailpipe. Toxic stuff…

      • DaveH

        Revealing your anti-woman sentiments, are you now, Dave234? Typical hypocritical Liberal Progressive.

      • eddie47d

        Is Dave saying its okay for Republican women to lie? LOL

      • ImListening

        Your either living with blinders on or “Stupid is, What Stupid Does”. You didn’t know Forest had an IQ below 70 until he spoke. The Chicago Mob Boss said right from the beginning, he was going to Transform America. And made the comment that yes, America is the greatest Country in the World, but we will Change that. And this isn’t taken out of context. He also said we would be able to tell what his policies would be by the people he surrounded himself with….. Tax evasion, Marxist, Socialist, Communists, Liars, Strong Arm People, Killers, people with no scruples, and they are all deceitful. Now that’s a real mix for what? Yes, you figured it out. Transforming America so it is no longer the Greatest Country in the World. You should be happy…. your living it.

      • mjr47

        Malarkey??? Alinsky tactics…straight from Biden’s mouth to yours!!!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Frank

    The bureaucrats, who are both Republicans and Democrats, but mostly apolitical, have used the exact same method for producing these figures whether there has been a Republican or a Democrat as president. Although the method may not be perfedct, it has been applied in a very uniform manner for decades. Let’s get over the idea that if we do not like the numbers they must be a lie.
    .

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I don’t think you even read the article!!! The whole POINT is that the methods are NOT uniform!!! The methods of calculation are ever changing!!!

  • Ted

    Bob – Frist of all, I’m pretty sure that your opening quote is from Benjamin Disreali. Second of all, If the President could cook the books, why would he set the improvement in unemployment at a paltry .3%? Why not an imrpovement of 1%? or 5%?

    The unemployment number, indeed most government statistics, are approximations, relatively accurate guesses that can be used comparatively over time to show improvement or decline over time. What is important is that the criteria be unchanging.

    • DaveH

      Because even Obama must be somewhere near the truth to avoid waking his brain-dead followers.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Ted,

      You write: “Bob – Frist (sic) of all, I’m pretty sure that your opening quote is from Benjamin Disreali.” Though Twain attributed it to Disreali, it is not found in Disreali’s writings and thought to have been penned by Twain himself. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/375700.html

      You write: “If the President could cook the books, why would he set the improvement in unemployment at a paltry .3%? Why not an imrpovement (sic) of 1%? or 5%?” I did not say the “President” cooked the books. I doubt he has the mental acumen to pull off such a feat. However, the number crunchers working on his behalf did it (perhaps at his direction, perhaps not, I do not know). It should be obvious to you why they did not “adjust” them by a full percent or more when the .3% figure is called into question. The President just needs the evidence that things are turning in the right direction, not some massive and unjustifiable drop that would be believed by no one.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • daniel

    This is the first posting I opened today knowing by the tagline that the trolls would be up to defend their leader and I was correct. I feel sorry for them and it may not be for the reasons you might think. To defend this administration you have to literally buy everything it says which leaves no room for individual thought or expansion. You have to accept their version of everything and leave common sense behind.
    Do I believe the BLS data? No way! As stated in the post the simple arithmetic does not add up. I came to that conclusion by myself when the numbers came up. With the liberals they just had the line to parrot from the BLS that unemployment was down to 7.8 percent. I wish that were true. Not once did I hear a liberal pundit question the number but I did hear them accuse the republicans of raining on good news. Are liberals so gullible that they will swallow what they are told?
    Any person on fixed income knows that the true inflation rate and the reported inflation rates are different and it should not be so. We need the true inflation rate to be the norm in all circumstances. Without reliable numbers budgets cannot be proposed and adopted nor good policy made on future endeavors. Using lower inflation numbers builds up politicians so they can take credit and mollify their constituents. It also does a disservice to those on fixed incomes by effectually denying them an otherwise justifiable COLA. While COLA may be written into law it is the figures used that determine the amount.
    Of course liberals love to blame Bush for their problems as they do not have a plan to get us out of this mess. They are too busy protecting their billionaire friends to give a darn about the lower class of people. Obama may want your three dollars or your birthday present or even your wedding gifts but he will beat a hotfoot to Hollywood while you count pennies.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      You say: “Are liberals so gullible that they will swallow what they are told?”. YES and so are the conservatives! BOTH parties are LYING to the people and the people believe them!!! We need to wake up to the fact that BOTH parties are the SAME!!! They SAY different things but they DO the same things!!! The parties only exist to distract the people and make them THINK they have a say in how the country is run!!! The country is run by the big powerful bankers and the politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle take their orders from THEM!!! Ignorance is NOT bliss!!!

      • daniel

        Nancy I appreciate what you said and I am aware of the politics involved. However as I was talking about the numbers i was hoping to see a liberal pundit question the validity of the numbers and have yet to be shown one. I also realize that both parties have ben playing games including redefining the COLA for SS. I believe that Bush II was involved with that as well as Clinton. Both did it for the same reasons. To make them look good. Obama on the other hand is the worst I have ever seen when it comes to image above all else.
        If Romney is elected I expect that he will face harsh criticism as well from conservative circles as we have been too quiet for too long and look at the mess we are in.

      • http://www.facebook.com/CaptainPhoto51 Theo Miller

        Easy, Nancy, easy! You know the truth hurts!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Theo, you wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you in the [expletive deleted]!!!

  • tgsherman

    Will someone point out what Obama has done to improve the economy? Please list the areas he has done this!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Zip! Zero! Zilch! Nil! Nada! Nothing!

      • deerinwater

        I haven’t much time to address this false claim~ but just off hand , closing the medicare donut hole put 535.00 a year in 65 million seniors pockets every year. ~ Credit card companies have been put on a short lease and no longer rob blind consumers with hidden charges. ~ students now spend more money on their education and less money goes into the pockets of bankers. ~

        Just a few things you wish to be blind too ~

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Lilly ledbetter fair pay act and the Dodd-Frank Act

  • s.vonFoerster

    Dare I mention the greatest liar of them all; Ronald Reagan , and our country is still paying for his avaricious administration’s policies. Every president since Reagan has had to overcome the residue of his corruption. How now, righties?

    • Coop

      This is true people look it up!

      • American 1st

        Coop -

        I have read some Liberal crap on the Internet, but yours is a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. You probably don’t even remember the Jimmy Carter recession – 1 step from a depression. I lived through it. It was horrible, somewhat like we’re living today. Ronald Reagan won by a landslide & completely turned this country around! Grow up & stop reading lying Liberal blogs!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I’ve not studied this and I don’t want to. But I agree with American 1st! For those who don’t know or don’t remember, mortgage interest rates were at 18%! Credit card rates were upto 29%. Inflation was terrible! My husband got transferred. Our house was on the market for 15 months after which we finally sold it at a loss of $15,000. It was only a $50,000 house to begin with, so that was a huge loss!!! I’ve never studied Reagan’s deeds or misdeeds but I KNOW that things got BETTER after he took office!!!

    • Alex

      Completely correct. Look at the figures prior to Reagan and after—the once-vibrant
      American middle-class, the largest “middle-class” in human history, has seen its collective wealth evaporate to the top, thanks to the wicked Osmosis of Capitalism and the idiocy
      of Reagan, the only president to trade both arms-for-hostages and arms-for-drugs.

      Reagan burns in Hell, right next to Adolf Hitler, John Wayne Gacy, and Josef Stalin….

      • American 1st

        Alex –

        You need your head examined. Reagan beat Carter in 1980. Carter was the worst President EVER! Our country’s economy was in the toilet.

        The numbers tell the story. Over the eight years of the Reagan Administration:

        *20 million new jobs were created
        *Inflation dropped from 13.5% in 1980 to 4.1% by 1988
        *Unemployment fell from 7.6% to 5.5%
        *Net worth of families earning between $20,000 and $50,000 annually grew by 27%
        *Real gross national product rose 26%
        *The prime interest rate was slashed from an unprecedented 21.5% when he took office to 10% in August 1988.
        *Income taxes were slashed from a high of 70% under Carter to 35% under Reagan

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Alex, you have absolutely NO idea WHAT you’re talking about!!!!!!!!! There WAS no vibrant economy under Carter!!! The economy was in the crapper!!! Do you just make up crap??? Your statement could NOT be FURTHER from the truth!!! LIES AND DAMNED LIES!!!

      • Dave67

        During the 80′s, I was a young Republican…Before I got smart… Reagan was instrumental in the deregulation of the banks, he made us more dependent on foriegn oil and he TRIPLED our national debt. Under his expert leadership… we had a middle class who’s wages stagnated, we did business with terrorists so he could fund his Central American adventure and his lack of strength of character led 200 Marines to die with no retribution on those who carried out the attack and Bin Laden say this attack as proof of America’s weakness in planning 9-11

        For those who think Carter was our worst president, you were not living in this country or had access to any information from 2001-2008.

        Reagan was a joke… a sad joke at that.

    • Patriotism Reigns

      Ronald Reagan is the Best President that this Country has ever had. He pulled America out of a tail spin due to the idiot jimmy carter and his socialist policies. He built America and restored confidence in Americans. I have to admit I come from a long line of democrats, but I realized many years ago as well as many of my other family members that the deomocratic party is not the party it once was. I changed horses and realized I did better financially under a Republican President. Like Zell Miller said, “I didn’t leave the democratic party, they left me.” Wake up America before it’s too late…another four years of obamanation and we will all be in serious trouble, perhaps so much we can never pull out of it.

      • American 1st

        Patriotism Reigns -

        I agree. President Reagan was the greatest President of my life time. He was the PEOPLE’S PRESIDENT. Democrats & Republicans loved him. Kids today have no clue what a GREAT President is all about. They are so brain-washed by Liberal propaganda, it’s sad. He worked tirelessly with Congress to turn our disatrous economy around. He stood up AGAINST Marxism, Socialism & Communism. He stood up FOR America, Freedom & the American Dream. He was awesome. He was also the exact opposite of Obama.

        Romney 2012

    • DaveH

      vonFoerster says — “Every president since Reagan has had to overcome the residue of his corruption. How now, righties?”.
      Do you have any examples of such, von? Or are empty accusations all you have?

      • momo

        DaveH, his accusations are as empty as his head.

        • Deerinwater

          It’s more of a matter of not wishing to regress in the behalf of your enlightenment actually.

          Ronnie’s administration was conceive in the master-craft of political tomfoolery and skulduggery that started with undermining a sitting administration with a foreign agent for gains in party affiliation.

          But there are limits to my indulgence today ~ perhaps another time?

  • moses

    look at all the exorders too inslave americans ,alli hear is bush ,yes bush is running berryoboma oboma is black he can do no wrong ,he is too stupied too do anything wrong ,he is islamica devil ,not even american yet you have brainless fools being brainwashed by him just like hitler did , so oboma is little hitler ,so i hope all you fools like being killed by him ,he plans on killing every american white or black. just look u n agenda21 ,ndaa,others all are for the american people.

  • S. Johnson

    You people are sick. When there was bad news then the jobs numbers were completely accurate. When it’s good news then it’s sabotage. You can’t have things both ways. Either the numbers are accurate when the news is good or bad or it’s never accurate!!! The same people do the numbers either way!!!

    • Coop

      Did people here that I wonder? “It’s the same people either way! enough said

      • Coop

        *hear…I know sorry

    • DaveH

      Apparently, S. Johnson, logic is not your strong suit.
      If Government is cooking the books to make employment look better than it is, then when the reported figures are bad the actual figures are even worse than bad. So to use the Government’s own figures is perfectly logical given that even the brain-dead Liberal Progressive followers will have a hard time denying them.

  • martin

    Has everyone forgotten that it is we the people against them the government. Once they are in office the lobbiest will start lining ther pockets and there is nothing that we can do about it. It makes no difference who gets in. One liar trains another.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I have NOT forgotten!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/CaptainPhoto51 Theo Miller

      The solution to Americas problems will come from “we the people”. Not those lying puppets in the political “entertainment” arena.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        WE THE PEOPLE are the Government! WE THE PEOPLE are the ones who have elected these officials. If you don’t like who they are, or what they are doing, don’t vote for them. But it will still come down to the majority of WE THE PEOPLE voters, and who they choose to elect.

        That is the way that our country is set up.

  • michael

    Amazing stuff, but it should come as no surprise. Congress is the world’s most exclusive country club, and once you get in you will lie, distort and fudge facts as necessary to insure that you stay in the club and the party never ends. It’s also amazing that these clowns correctly voted for term limits for the presidency, but just try to get them to impose the same limit on themselves-this is how we end up for 40+ years with the likes of Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi & Ted Kennedy. They all know that the average person, when they bother to vote at all, is neither engaged or educated on the issues and
    will lazily take the incumbent.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Nebraska’s congressman, lee terry has this commercial where he’s cutting up the people in Washington who have gotten us so far in debt etc… Everytime it comes on, I scream at the tv and say “YOU ARE those people in Washington, you FOOL! How dumb do you think we are?!?”! Don’t you just LOVE it when they try to distance themselves from their deeds?!?

  • Marc

    You can blame the Republican party for filibustering everything the President wanted to do from day one when he became President. If polarizing between the Republican and Democratic parties continues to exist, then the road to econmic recovery will remain slow and painful for years to come. I don’t care which candidate wins the Presidential election. It is all about the corporations, their lobbyist, and how many of the congress people that can be bought for their interest. The American people are put on the back burners and are forgotten except when it comes to taxes and their elections. Think, Don’t put the blame on one man, the President. Congress is just as responsible for our countries problems in the way they do business and putting the American people at the bottom of the totem pole.

    • Patriot1776

      Really? The first two years of obama’s reign he had a democrat controlled House and Senate, yet the only “accomplishment” of total democrat control was obamacare. Obama hasn’t set foot on Capital Hill for the last two years as he has been campaigning or vacationing ever since. He uses executive orders rather than make any attempt to work with either side of Congress and not even the democrats in Congress voted for obama’s budget.

  • filpped54

    To make money for himself Livingston has to publish something that folks get worked up about. Whether it’s true or not may not be a priority for him. He’s just as desperate to obtain power and money as perhaps Romney. Here is a link to quell all the crazy propaganda:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/10/05/170744/can-the-government-cook-the-unemployment.html#storylink=cpy

  • Dave67

    And as soon as a Republican gets in and the employment numbers are continuing to go down, all of a sudden all this talk about “cooked” numbers goes away. With conservatives, its party and ideology over country every time.

    The phony President was the president the conservatives won’t talk about or acknowledge as one of theirs anymore… George W Bush.

    Face it conservatives, you will lie and cheat to gain power and you hate good news when your people are not in power. When George W Bush was in power, if you did not support Bush before he invaded Iraq, you were labeled a “traitor” to the United States by the conservative cabel. Traitor is now applicable to conservatives who refuse to comopromise for the greater good and poo-poo any positive news on anything because they hate Obama that much. Irrational traitors is what conservatives who participate in this Anti-American rhetoric are.

    Deall with it… If you hate this country… Saudi Arabia or China may be more to your likinb.

    • Bob Robbins

      Do u have to sign up every week for your food siamps and welfare or do they send it automatically?

      • Dave67

        I do not need food stamps, thank you though for more BS conservative gereralizations about anyone who disagrees with your BS.

        Its typical of your kind.

    • DaveH

      There goes Dave67 again, trying to muddy the water with his accusations against Conservatives when really he is talking about NeoConservative Progressives who are just the other side of the Progressive coin.
      A common tactic with Progressives is to bastardize terms so as to confuse ignorant people because the Progressives know that their agenda can’t stand on truth.

      • Dave67

        DaveH, you have more excuses for the failed policies of conservatives than you have links to mises.org.

        Of course Bush is a Neo-Con… he achieved power and put forth the conservative agenda and it failed horribly… Conservatives are never responsible for anything and are experts at deflection and the blame others game.

        We should all be working to break up the big banks, puttting trade laws on the books that benefit US workers and putting in the right regulations to prevent what happened in Dec of 2007. But you believe the free market can police itself even though you have ZERO examples where it has been done and done successfully in the industrial age.

        We should also deal with the bloated defense budget, the realities of the baby-boomer generation as it relates to medicare and medicaid, taxes and big money in the political process.

        Instead, the conservatives made it their #1 priority that Obama fails.

        That is your record DaveH…. that is the record of conservatives. You don’t like your record, then come back from your extremist corp agenda.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Dave are you not bastardizing the term progressive when you use it in the generalizing way “because the Progressives know that their agenda can’t stand on truth”. Progressivism is not a political party. The websters dictionary defines Progressivism as : the principles, beliefs, or practices of progressives

        2
        capitalized : the political and economic doctrines advocated by the Progressives
        3
        : the theories of progressive education

        And it defines progressives as
        1
        a : of, relating to, or characterized by progress

        b : making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities
        c : of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression
        2
        : of, relating to, or characterized by progression
        3
        : moving forward or onward : advancing
        4
        a : increasing in extent or severity
        b : increasing in rate as the base increases

        5
        often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives
        6
        : of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of
        7
        : of, relating to, or being a multifocal lens with a gradual transition between focal lengths
        8
        : or, relating to, or using a method of video scanning (as for television or a computer monitor) in which the horizontal lines of each frame are drawn successively from top to bottom — compare interlaced

        Progressive is not the defining character of a person. A progressive believes in progress. Unless you believe progress is an agenda I believe you are wrong about progressives.

      • JeffH

        Jeremy,

        Progressivism advocates—then and now—a total break from the principles of freedom articulated in our founding documents, particularly the Declaration of Independence. It seeks to either get around or dismantle limitations on government power, the very constitutional limitations established in the Constitution for the protection of individual freedom.

        For this reason, the progressives desire for something old in world history, not something new.

        No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people.

        Those who wish to proceed in that direction cannot lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.” (July 5, 1926)

        As such, in the context of individual freedom progressives seek to roll back, not forward, the hands of progress; they seek regression, not progression.
        http://freedomlessons.net/freedom-101/progressives-and-tug-o-war/

      • DaveH

        Wow. Flashman is busy today. He must be hitting all the McDonald’s hot spots today.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Jeff I believe in progress. I am a progressive. I do not want to give government unlimited power. I want limits on government power same as you. I believe our disagreement is not fundamental. I believe government can be useful in providing needed services for the poor and the elderly and veterans and other groups. I believe the government can provide oversight over industries to prevent abuses and negligence. And I believe government can provide support like loans that can encourage free enterprise. Numerous successful business’s have gotten their start through government loans. I do not believe government is the antithesis of freedom. I see government as being a mixture of police man, fire man, paramedic and lawyer. All these occupations can do great good or great evil. But to me what matters is that they are capable of both. What I am arguing against is not the idea that government is capable and some times does great evil. What I am arguing against is this perception that government is so bad that it is incapable of doing any good and that all good things in this country are in spite of the government. What am I against was best summed up during the Republican convention. At the convention speakers from Romney to Ryan all pushed two simultaneous points. 1: That if you were successful like Mitt Romney it was entirely due to you and you alone. 2: If your business suffered like the plant in Janesville mentioned by Ryan then it was because the government broke its promises too you. Its this idea that government is nothing but the problem but government is never part of the solution. Government must have limits placed on it. If unchecked it can and has done great harm. However no one including me have ever advocated unlimited government power. My enemy is bad government, corrupt government, incompetent and unaccountable government. The rhetoric of Romney, Ryan and many on this site is that the enemy is not bad government but government itself. The enemy described is not over zealous government regulation or intrusive regulation but government regulation itself. Where it isn’t the heads of government departments or agencies that’s the problem its the organization themselves. Where its not whose running the EPA or what policies the EPA is implementing. Its the EPA itself that is evil. And then when at last the debates come Mitt Romney and Ryan all take about how all they want is to amend and maintain much of what Obama has done. How they want to improve things for middle class Americans and maintain revenue sources. And at the same time reduce taxes across the board by 20 percent. And all the while they will maintain medicare and medicaid and social security and veterans pensions and defense spending and all this other spending that they claim is contributing so much to the deficit. I am called a liberal who supports big government and yet when I hear the supposed conservative platform all I hear is the same big government just now pushing a conservative agenda instead of a liberal one. I admire the founding fathers and hope to honor them by supporting what I believe is best for our country. And what I believe at this point is best for our country is better government, not less government.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Actually Dave I much prefer In N Out. Its family owned and they do not freeze their food like McDonalds. Though today I ate lunch at home. Good old American Hot dog and some salad. And the reason I am on is I like to respond to people who speak to me. I figure they go the trouble of responding to me I should respond in kind.

      • DaveH

        I did say — “Wow. Flashman is busy today. He must be hitting all the McDonald’s hot spots today”.
        Freudian slip, Jeremy (aka Flashman)?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        You know Dave you are right. I just realized I answered to a Flashman comment. Awe well. I guess I figured that is just your pet name for me. An inside joke if you will. As I have always said I am not flashman. I am Jeremy Leochner and Jeremy Leochner only. I give you my word.

  • braindeadus

    If you want to live in a socialist country then vote for Obama.

    • S. Johnson

      Obama isn’t doing anything any other Presidents haven’t done. All the things in place now were there when he became President and others had the same programs in place as he does. Of course, people who are doing well for themselves now tend to be cruel to those who aren’t not anticipating they (or somebody in their family or friends) may need help one of these days. Lots of people (i.e.Ryan and the people of WI) took these so-called handouts without blinking an eye when they needed them but now are trying to condemn the President for helping them. If they were so much against “government handouts” then why did they take them. The same apply to the female GOP who took money from the government to help with her mortgage then turn around and try to condemn it. These people just have double standards and it’s only good if it’s helping them. And it’s not just them. If you’re out of a job and need some help from the government to put food on the table for you and your kids, you’d do the same thing. Stop trying to throw hardworking people going through hard times in their lives under the bus. You (or somebody you know or love) may need to get from under that bus one of these days yourself. You don’t have to take my word for it, just ask the people of MA who actually experienced Romney’s failures…there’s a reason they’re so against him getting into the White House!!! The rest of the country doesn’t need to learn this the hard way but they seem determined to do so!!!

    • Jeremy Leochner

      We already live in a socialist country as we always have.

  • Rachel

    I cannot believe how half of this nation is still unable to see this disaster – called BHO – that fell upon America. I shiver when I think that he might even be re-elected! Those who defend this administration must either be blinded by an ideology, or in tank with the crooks in the WH. These four years have ruined me, totally destroyed me! I am now a 61 yr old single mother with a son in college. I lost my respectable job when BHO came to power, have not been able to find one to date. When half the kids coming out of college cannot find jobs, how would a woman in her 60s (English being the second of her five languages) find one? Yet I have not been counted in these phony statistics for the past three years. For BHO I do not exist. “No job” meant also losing my home, which lost half of its value and is worth half of what I owe the bank. It is in foreclosure now and soon I will be put out on the side of the street. How audacious for this government to talk about “war on women”! I am a woman and millions like me have been ruined by this power-hungry man! His ideology and his methods have worked – nowhere in the world and in no time in history! What his ideology does is make everybody poor! He lies about fighting “for” the “middle-class” when he has wiped out the middle class. We (once the the middle-class) have all became poor. Now they have their eyes set on the “rich”, to bring them down too. Despicable, un-American, incompetent, and dishonest administration! Can’t wait to see them leave, so we can have hope again!

    • Bob Robbins

      No they are mostly on the dole.

    • deerinwater

      Rachel, I know that there is nothing that I can say to ease the suffering for your great loss. ~ it hurts ~ hurts for years but you are blaming the wrong guy. If McCain had won in 2008, we could not have avoiding this economic downturn as the damage done was years in the making and had gone global by 2008.

      I didn’t lost my job, I lost my customer base as Reagan downsized and moved military base actives around the nation, what customers I didn’t lose then, I lost years later as things dried up with H. Bush Desert Storm took the rest. I ended up losing the business, the wife and children and anything that I cared about and lived that way for several years. I just did care anymore, abandoned by close friends and half my family, it seemed. It was a downsizing of epic proportion that took everything but my name

      You could have explained it to me anyway that you wanted to ~ it would have not made me feel any better. The grief, the disillusion , the hurt and anger is all apart of the road back that you must travel.

      What I can tell you is this, ~ it takes time to get over such things and it is for you to do. I hid under the porch like snake bite hound for years until one day I found a reason to claw back out and engage life once again.

      We seem to all enjoy wallowing in our misery, you and I are entitled to it for what does’t not kill us only makes us stronger and wiser. ~ best of luck with your return.

      As for myself today ~ life couldn’t be better ~ having readjusted my priorities years prior and what was really important to me, now I only wear ~ comfortable cloths and no longer imprisoned in a cell of my own making.

      “In an interview with ABC, Mitt Romney offered his definition of the middle class. “Middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less,” he said.”

      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mitt-romneys-definition-middle-class-170658275.html

      I don’t know about you Rachel, but I would never be a part of the middle class in a Mitt Romney world.

    • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Linda from NYC

      Hi Rachel,
      I am sorry for your loss too, I too have been strugling to find work, I am 54 years old and it has been difficult, and the jobs that I have seen are part times It angers me when I see people supporting this dictator who is working very hard to destroy America. I will vote this Nov. 6 and to get this bum out of the white house.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      Rachel,

      I, too, am sorry for what you have been going through, but how, exactly, is it Obama’s fault?

      “Those who defend this administration must either be blinded by an ideology, or in tank with the crooks in the WH.”

      No, we just don’t think that everything is all black or white as so many people on this blog do.

      “These four years have ruined me, totally destroyed me!”

      How, exactly, is this Obama’s fault?

      “I am now a 61 yr old single mother with a son in college. I lost my respectable job when BHO came to power, have not been able to find one to date.”

      How, exactly, is this Obama’s fault?

      “Yet I have not been counted in these phony statistics for the past three years.”

      These statistics have been compiled in exactly the same way since 2003. Are you saying that you are being deliberately ignored?

      “No job” meant also losing my home, which lost half of its value and is worth half of what I owe the bank. It is in foreclosure now and soon I will be put out on the side of the street.”

      I’m sorry about this, too. But how is it Obama’s fault?

      “How audacious for this government to talk about “war on women”! I am a woman and millions like me have been ruined by this power-hungry man!”

      ?? So am I, and have no idea what you are talking about.

      “His ideology and his methods have worked – nowhere in the world and in no time in history! What his ideology does is make everybody poor! He lies about fighting “for” the “middle-class” when he has wiped out the middle class. We (once the the middle-class) have all became poor. Now they have their eyes set on the “rich”, to bring them down too. Despicable, un-American, incompetent, and dishonest administration! Can’t wait to see them leave, so we can have hope again!”

      What ideology, exactly, and what methods, exactly? Making general statements doesn’t help anyone understand your point of view. It just muddies it.

      And if we re-elect Obama what do you plan to do? Continue to complain that life has not been fair to you? Life has not been fair to a LOT of us, but it certainly doesn’t mean that anyone’s out to get us.

      I sincerely hope that you do not end up homeless. It is a terrible way to live. Terrifying, in fact.

      I know that you have probably thought of this but, have you looked around for roommates? My brother now has two, and it helps his finances a lot and the dogs aren’t alone as much. He got his first roommate by Advertising in the Student Union at the State College. His second roommate is a friend of the first. It took a year between them, though.

      And if you can find roommates, make sure they sign a rental agreement. Even if it is family, don’t just hand over your house key without a signed, witnessed contract. My Dad used to rent his rooms, after we had all moved out, and he learned the hard way that a contract is a must. Make sure there are locks on the bedroom doors, including yours, and set out in the contract what the public areas are and what the rules are (ie. no food in the rooms).

      Good luck, Rachel.

  • Alex

    Any women voting Republican are like Jews advocating the Nuremberg Laws. Here is a party that would deny women equal pay for equal work. Here is a party that empaneled a
    group of “experts” to discuss women’s health issue—and DID NOT include ONE woman!
    Here is a party that sees some rapes as “legitimate”!!

    Do not let the Reich Wing colonize your uterus—you know that they are trying hard…

    • deerinwater

      Oh Alex! too much reality is not welcome here. We don’t do reality well.

    • Rachel

      I find your comparison and use of Jews/Nuremberg Laws/Reich extremely offensive! And our uterus is not what defines us – the women! Our issues are not different than any American’s issues! I am sick of hearing about women’s or Black’s or Hispanics’ etc. issues and their sheer exploitation! Hello… We are all Americans! We do not need your special sympathy Mr. Alex. We can make our own decisions and choices. How condescending for a man to talk about a woman’s uterus…

      • Alex

        As the father of a daughter, I am appalled by the GOP’s ALL-male panel on women health.
        As you don’t seem to care what men do with your, or any other woman’s body, you should just keep quiet and stay in your little Bubble of Lies. Or maybe you could volunteer at a
        women’s shelter and take a poll of rape victims and find out how many were “legitimate”.
        Ask a few women if they are the type of woman who is “easy to rape”—another GOP slip into the dustbin of History.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Alex, if you are a father as you say you would have more honor than to say that your daughter is a hopeless twit that can do no better than to make herself a victim.

      • deerinwater

        Nadzieja Batki ~ stop calling people names! ~ There is nothing subtle or indirect, as you have called a man’s daughter that you nothing of ~ a name in an effort to demean and debase in a mean spirited nature.

        “Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling.” BL

        What is it about the forum rules that you fail to understand Nadzieja Batki ?

        If you wish to continue to be the naughty, unruly one, learn to be less direct and in your face.

        example; Nadzieja Batki, I find your behavior to be mean spirited and off-color far too often for the few lines of drivel that you offer us with each of your posting.

        And Alex is dead on the button, ~ Women’s issue on the HILL is under represented by women and the legislation created from this body affecting all women suffers from a serious male bias.

      • Karolyn

        Wow Nadzieja. Now you’re calling people names that you have absolutely NO informatioin on! Just because her father is a liberal, she is a twit? Ho do you know she’s not a conservative?

      • Karolyn

        Rachel, every group has issues specific to them.

      • http://none Claire

        If a woman wants to make her own choices about her life AND her body, then she had better think about what the Republicans are trying to do.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So the Democrats cannot win an election on issues but have to trot out that variety of particularly useful psuedo victims: The Women.
      You are a “male” so why do you find yourself hiding behind the women’s skirts?

      • uvuvuv

        the entire dnc platform is based on threats. threats by the repubs to women, threats to welfare, threats to the illegals, threats to the libertines (sandra, take a bow), threats to abortion, threats to the gays, threats to the blacks, and threats to the atheists and muslims. what i don’t understand is how they want people who they wouldn’t have in their living rooms voting without ID. i mean, they live in this country too, do they seriously want crackheads voting? yes, if they vote democratic. but if these groups were solid repub (rest assured, they are democrats), oh the terrible terrible need to verify who they are.

        • tony

          UVUVUV threats to NOT having we the people have to Pay for all these People who want their Birth control paid for by the tax payers , Threats to making Immigration to the USA Legal , oh thats a Bad thing , Voter ID is a bad thing when we all have to have ID to buy booze , get a drivers License , get a Job , the Treat is to the Legal system that represents we the people the citizens are you clinically mentally ill ???

      • uvuvuv

        tony, what i’m saying is that the dems perceive all these threats from the repubs, but i should have added that the repubs don’t necessarily see threats from the dems. their outlook is way different, supportive and constructive instead of attacking and tearing down. and people actually sign onto this, unbelievable.

      • http://none Claire

        Tell me, why did Romney’s female surrogates vote against equal pay for women?

      • deerinwater

        Nadzieja Batki says:

        So the Democrats cannot win an election on issues but have to trot out that variety of particularly useful psuedo victims: The Women.111111
        You are a “male” so why do you find yourself hiding behind the women’s skirts?

        Reply; I do not “hide” in my defense of women rights. ~ I am the surviving senior male to a family of 78 females and you must pass by me first and they are not pseudo victims but real victims of an old male dominated society that elect to know or understand very little about women’s issues if it’s not deemed completely necessary with the assumption she can and will handle them on her own as these old men pass laws that she can’t.

        • Gea

          It is Barak Hussein Obama who gave $1,600 millions to his Muslim Brotherood in Egypt for their war on women and Israel. Birds of a feather, Democrats and Obnama are thus far more guilty than Republicans for REAL war on women in Egypt and elsewhere in the Muslim world, which is rapidly taking over Europe.

          • Deerinwater

            No doubt such a lame comment makes sense to you. When you get back from La La Land and can offer some defense feel free to look me up.

            Women’s rights and the whole Muslim community at large is problematic to say the least. ~ While we can not ignore the whole Muslin Community ~ let us confine our discussion to American women before we start addressing the world community. My interest in fellow Americans and our nation is my primary focus and the GOP has a dismal record on defending women issues here at home and that is what you should offer your rebuttal too.

          • Gea

            American women have a rather good life in US, and with the exception of some Western European countries, they are on the top of the world as far as equality and protection of their human rights The problem is that 45% of the white babies and 75% of the black babies are born out of wedlock, which makes it difficult for single mothers to raise their kids and be gainfully employed and functional.

            Contraception and the first trimester abortion should be easily available and also there should be a social pressure not to have babies whom one cannot support! A woman should not depend on her neighbors to pay for her one=night stand and use babies to get more money from the taxpayers.

            Daniel Patrick Moynahan predicted this social problem of poverty and crimes resulting from disintegration of family values some 40 years ago, and now it is happening. 23% of children who live in poverty are a result of unwise social policies that encourage irresponsible sexual and other behaviors.

            Naturally, Muslim world is pits when it comes to treatment of women, including women that now live in Europe and North America. Sharia promotes polygamy, misogyny and pedophilia, and “honor” murder of women and children is a common occurrence (even in the West).

          • Deerinwater

            Gea, it is statements like this one that women fight today!

            Gea says; “A woman should not depend on her neighbors to pay for her one=night stand and use babies to get more money from the taxpayers.”

            I take it that you fail to see the inequity and male bias in your statement?

            You are clearly holding the woman 100% responsible and not the man while at the same time attempting to install laws that prevent a woman from addressing any out-come while the mans actions and involvement is not even mentioned, much less addressed.

            If you can’t see it ~ it does not exist~ but only to YOU! I see it and it is clearly a sexual male bias that you present to us in attempting to defend an ideology that you wish to label under the heading of Conservatism, which is little more then a double standard and blind to all the merits.

            You are basically saying, ~ that it is okay for a man to want a little tail but it’s not okay for a woman to give him what he wants.

    • Bob Robbins

      Why don’t u answer my question, how do u collect your welfare?

    • DaveH

      More evidence of Alex’s hatred for women.
      Alex says — “Any women voting Republican are like Jews advocating the Nuremberg Laws”.
      So if they don’t vote Alex’s way, there is something wrong with them.
      The truth is that people like Alex will use whoever they can use to promote their bankrupt Liberal Progressive agenda and then discard them when they can no longer use them.
      Only the voluntary actions of Free Markets can determine “equal pay for equal work”. Any other group who claims such wise knowledge is just plain lying so they can garner more Power over the rest of us.
      For those who would like to know what is really going on:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • deerinwater

        Well David, ~ it is the GOP that curtails the personal liberties of women and not the DNC by making the argument that it is justifiable to do so.

      • DaveH

        Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans respect women’s personal liberties, Deer. If they did, then Government would be much smaller and much less intrusive.

      • deerinwater

        Agree in part David, ~ however one holds a track record at addressing the disparity towards women and one holds a record for failing to.

  • deerinwater

    It appears that some of you, or most of you seem to believe the numbers have always been real? ~ The number that Obama’s administration is using are cooked? certainly! ~ exactly like Ronnie Reagan’s and H & W Bush’s numbers. ~ the only difference between Mitt and 44 numbers is Mitt’s were fuzzy before they were cooked.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So if Bush and others supposedly trotted out fuzzy numbers, that O can do it too because it was done before. I thought the Democrats/Leftists tell us that they have climbed up the moral high ground and would be above such chicanery. So the Dems/Leftists double damn themselves by their own language.

      • deerinwater

        So you are expecting “O” to change the way the Hill has conducted business for the last 50 years while refusing to support him?

        Please explain to us exactly how that works?

      • deerinwater

        Veterans issues have been much better addressed by the current administration then the last 3 previous administrations. While still not perfect , in comparison to previous administrations you would be wise to drop the subject Nadzieja Batki if you expect to win any debate defending Republicans. You are opening a door and welcoming me to walk in and kick over your little sand castle and sand in your face.

        The last good Republican to hold the first chair was Nixon and he was a rascal of sorts ~ driven to being so ~ by the infighting of his own party and opposition alike. Nixon trusted few and probably right in thinking so.

  • Alex

    Among Romney’s “dependent 47% victims” are thousands of war veterans. Mitt should slither over to a VA Hospital and explain to the blind, legless, and armless vets that, to him, they are no more that leeches in the public trough who should have dodged the war like he did.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Consirdering that you don’t care about the veterans, why are you using them?

      • Alex

        Where are on Earth do you get the idea that I do not care about the veterans?

      • deerinwater

        Nadzieja Batki, seems to portray the embodiment all American’s without appointment, title or commission , allowing us to refer to him as the ” Great Assume’er”

      • Shelia

        he did not say that stop putting words in his mouth Nadzieja

  • “Homer”

    WOW…is this a surprise? Is anyone surprised! I sure a shooting am not! The man has a mose long enough to hang a cloths line on!

  • redbull

    Everything this maddrass educated President and his sociakist supporters say is a lie. The most agress lie , is the Libya mess. Shades of Tricky Dick Nixon, People have died, and Obama and hisadminastation keep on lying.

  • redbull

    Rachel, Alex must be another golf green parrot, ach , Polly want a tofo cracker! Or else he is a ward of the beltway loony toon government employees union.

  • Dagger

    Bob, your article proves what I have known for many years that we Americans cannot trust our government(national, state and local), politicians(the biggest liars and thieves the world has ever known), big pharma(most of the so-called ‘legal’ drugs are just as harmful as illegal drugs-they are all poison), medical profession(who are the lap-dogs of FDA and big pharma) and the big multi-national banks and companies.
    The one thing that drives this nation and indeed the whole world is GREED!!!
    However, there is a big change coming in the next few years that will right all the wrongs and shake this evil world to it’s very foundations.
    The world will be changed forever!!!

  • Chester

    I am going to ignore all the name calling, as no one who is slamming these numbers is actually looking at what is going on in the real world around them. Businesses around my neck of the woods are actually hiring and expanding their operations, more trucks than ever are on the highways, and trucking companies are crying for drivers.. Now, you don’t put trucks on the road just to move air around, nor do you hire drivers just to keep that air moving. By the same token, plants that supply parts to other manufacturers don’t expand unless they can see a call for what they make, and possibly, a chance to expand into a new area as well. There is one business here that has been in the same family now for a full century and is still going strong, AND adding employees. Regardless of all the bad news people up there keep praying for so they can cry foul on Obama, the news here is not bad at all.

    • DaveH

      So you think your local personal observations carry more weight than the actual employment numbers?

      • Karolyn

        You have to start somewhere. Every little bit helps.

    • Frank Kahn

      We need the address of your “neck of the woods” so all us 20 to 30 million unemployed citizens can come on over and git usns a job.

    • Karolyn

      My friend’s husband works for Freightliner in NC,and they just laid off a lot of goys – SO THEY COULD EXPAND THE LINE! New housing is up in Charlotte, and they don’t have enough contractors because so many have gone out of business. I’m actually seeing real want ads in our little weekly paper (where there have been none in about 2 years.).

      • Karolyn

        duh – “guys”

  • Larry D. Miller

    The process for compiling these numbers has not changed in years and you have no reason to assert it was changed now.

  • Jimmy B

    JB
    you left out two important job losses! General Electric & General Motors moved over seas. that should bring the unemployment numbers over the top 22% and more lies, go online type in ( obamacare ) SS now Federal Benefits and, see more lies

    • TexasRide

      Another point about GE. Immelt and his company didn’t pay taxes when they were in this country! They sure won’t pay taxes when they are out of country. GE just sells their products to Americans and takes the profits out of our economy to another country.
      I won’t knowingly buy anything made by GE.

  • http://Yahoo Tony L. Anderson

    You lieing Politition you. You would attack a good man like our (President of The United States). I am shocked that you would be bold enough to twist and distort facts and numbers to do your best to put an a s s hole like Romney in office. Romney has his investments in over seas companies paying divindens in to his Swiss Bank accounts and just because we can’t verify this fact doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. Romney is just as guilty as the people that he is connected too. He is sharing in the American dream to hide the money he is getting thru his Corporate buddies that took hunreds of jobs away from good Americans and gave those jobs to people in third world countries so that he doesn’t have to pay for retirement plans, and taxes: that he would have to pay if those jobs were in America. The money he is skimming off of the American ecconomy by working people that have no other choice is deplorable but it is legal for all intents and purposes.
    Romney is guilty of robbing the average middle american of a job that would put the middle americans children thru school and help pave the way for his or her retirement and he is robbing all of us from the taxes that could and would make a huge difference in some states ecomonomy. He is not just invested in a bicycle company that was moved to Mexico from California, but other companies that has his name is in their leger books as well. He is liveing the American dream of sharing in many Companies profits that was moved over seas to avoid paying for some ones retirement and some ones childrens schooling.
    The republican calls this working the legall system. I call it robbing the average american the dream of working a job with dedication every day to achieve the American Dream. Where does it all stop?
    It doesn’t stop because there is to much to gain for the average american republican.
    If this statement causes you to feel guilty then mabe you should. We need to work together to make the american strong enough to retire and put their children thru school.
    Republicans are for their selves and no one else. The Democrates are for every one and not just themselves. You can spin your lies any way you like because we have freedom of speach but what will you tell your neighbor when they realize the truth and catch you up in it?
    I am for the American dream of working for a honest wage that keeps me alive and puts my children thru school and paves the way for my retirement. I think that while I work for a company and pave their pockets with gold that I should be able to take a vacation once a year and help support the companies that pay taxes that supports our economy but you republicans do not feel like that. You think that every one that isn’t vested deeply in the company they work for should dress in wrages and be denied any pleasures in life.
    God is nowhere in that kind of message….Love….Hope….and charity is all but forgotten as far as the average republican is concerned.
    I do hope that a lot of people reads this and askes them selves onw simple question……..
    Am I a God fearing person or a person of greed and self serving?
    I am a God fearing person I wish you were too……
    Tony

    • DaveH

      Tony says — “You lieing Politition you”.
      Feel free, Tony, to enumerate the lies and provide us convincing proof thereof.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Tony L. Anderson,

      You write: “You lieing Politition (sic) you.” My article is factual and I am no politician. So you are wrong out of the gate and your comments degenerate from there.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • Nadzieja Batki

      We now have another True Believer of the god O. How dare we infidels question anything that is said and done by O.Tony L. Anderson is offended.

    • Rick

      Dear Tony, Wow, you really believe that Barack Hussein Obama is a good man? You are deceived.The Smiling Socialist Deceiver has you under his spell. His Fake pathetic toothy smile has pulled you in. Barack Hussein Obama wants you to think he cares about you, while he uses you to help him destroy America. Don’t feel too bad, you are not the only one being fooled by the Smiling Socialist Con Man. For the sake of my future though, I do wish you would snap out of it.

    • Wayne

      Tony==I don,t beleive either candate is or has touched on the real issues. They spoke of foreign policy more than anything and didn,t get to the issues that affect this country internally.It,is true what you say about our morals, but the pres has nothing to do with that. There are a lot of issues under the rader screen which the American people aren,t aware of. God will judge this country as well as each individual in the end! Will Obama keeping spending as he has done and put us deeper in debt as he has done in these 3 + years he has been in charge? Tell me Tony, would you like to take a $400,000 vacation at the taxpayer,s expense as Obama,s wife has done. But, if we pray hard enough we can erase some of the thing that have been instutued in these four years that the present administration has forced upon us.

      • Syl Jones

        I think people are too shallow when it come to the spending issue. Just like Michelle Bachman (took mortgage money) and Paul Ryan (took money for the State of WI), the money was fine as long as it was them who were getting it but it’s bad if anybody else gets it. They had absolutely no problem taking the money then turn around and say it was such a bad and terrible thing. That’s what I call two-faced people. Fact is, if a person’s child, wife, mother, father or any other loved one needed money to help them and they didn’t have it, where do you think they’re going to go to try to get it? The government and would be fuming mad if they don’t help them. That’s the hollier-than-though effect. It’s good just as long as the government helps me but it’s bad for anybody else. The government has had to spend this way to help people until they can help themselves–checkout the Tennessee Valley Authority during the great depression and what Germany did in the 30′s to pull it’s citizens out of their depression. The government spent money on things needed to stimulate the economy and eventually they didn’t have to do these things anymore because people got back on their feet. These were temporary fixes that worked.

        • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

          Well stated. The people that we send to Congress are supposed to represent us. If have low unemployment, and they can get something built in the area that they represent, they they are doing their job.

          Sorry, electricity just went out. Got to shut off wifi.

  • manny

    I wonder what the four americans that were murdered in lybia found out about bumbuma crumbbuma that he would order the terrorists to get rid of them.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    DC has let any semblance of truth be caught up in their propaganda, lies and half truths. Their so asfixiated with their pride they feel they can do no wrong, they can’t lie. Their amoral, functioning outside of God’s code of conduct, morality. They’ve forgotten what truth is even when they themselves say it. With their dumbing down of America and having control of the education system and turning it into an indictrination system, their disease is taking hold of the country. There’s only one solution and that’s repenting to God and people examining themselves as God does. The human brain is a battlefield with the battle being between good and evil, Satan and Christ / God. Satan persuades, people have to resist. DC mandates “Guilty, until proven innocent”. History is written by the winners and America has been the winner. The people having control of America are busy writing their version of history and the people are buying it. People think because they’re Americans, they must be right. That right circumvents the Ten Commandments. The real judge is ignored and forgotten and replaced by men in black robes. I shudder to think what’s going to happen when the Creator judges America if America hasn’t repented.

  • alex 2

    ok, since there is another alex who got here first…let me suggest that the mises mouse club always forgets to look back at what ludvig van brilliant did or did not do and say and when…but that does not get us too far, by outing geniuses who could hardly keep their own check books balanced, let alone attack public policy…(just for the record, me be a registered republican, but so were malcolm x and martin luther king jr…so go figure…I am still waiting for TR or IKE to return from the grave)

    Ronnie raygun gave great speech and that is the job of the chameleon in chief, to get ahead of the curve and convince the fearful that all will be well in the garden…Carter did an awful job of creating the warm fuzzy feeling that presidents are required to project in leading the country forward…obama was a bit more american than johnny mac who was born outside the panama canal zone…but his family fixed that problem with a little piece of legislation in the 1920′s…do some real research on who really had a problem with their birth certificate in the 2008 election…so much for the noise factory…now on with the show…

    unemployment numbers today are a useless number, in that there is so much in “other cash flows” that enter into the average household today, that having one person out of three of working age in a household unemployed does not matter…

    we need a new number…household destitution vs unemployment…today…there is not just one big gorilla working at the steel factory while marge bakes cookies and the kids think about yard work and school…there is social security…pensions…annuities…mutual funds…money market funds…stock holdings…iras….roth iras…sep-iras…..rabbi trusts(supplemental 401k’s for those who dont know)…paid off homes…real estate holdings…business income that comes in as dividends…inheritances…trusts…and a bunch of other funds that come into the household….even before we get into the ugliness of non corporate welfare…

    and for all the bickering about if osama obama was legally capable…etc…where was everyone when hoover became president…and I think harding had some questions as to where he was born…and what about Gerald Ford…what do we know about where he really was born…and finally…drum roll please….

    when daddy romney…mr. AMC, starting running for president…where exactly was he born, pray tell…I can’t find anything anywhere…with anyone asking how a person, BORN IN MEXICO, was raising money to run for the republican nomination for the presidency of the United States…

    Hey AHNAULD…das ist gooten for you…maybee ve sea you runs 4 prezidehnt anyvayz…

    the truth shall get you fleas…

  • http://www.facebook.com/harvey.brehe Harvey Brehe

    According to Rush L, California wasn’t even included in the last unemployment numbers because the state didn’t get their numbers in on time to be included in the report. How convenient is that?

  • tim

    I just laugh everytime I see these lies that liberals post. I just can’t believe that anyone with an education can believe the sh!t obama spews. The job numbers were cooked because it is right before the election. Obama is a chicago politician, if you don’t know what that means, then you need to grow up!!! How do you think daley was the mayor of chicago for all those years. How do you think rahm emmanuel walked into chicago and became mayor!!!! Grow up people union thuggery is still alive!!! Do you think politicians really vote the way they want to on some issues. NO they were coerced to put it gently!!! This is the kind of people we need to get out of washington so the people can have a say again!!!!

  • Jeffrey Mead

    Gary Johnson for President. He can change America and get rid of the corruption of the Democrats and Republicans because they are both false choices. Vote for the man who can change America and the World for the better. We can take back our country if we believe and act. He is on the ballot in all 50 states. No more unnecessary wars, no more war on drugs and throwing people in prison for doing things to themselves and no more loss of our civil liberties. If you don’t have dominion over your own body you are not free and if the government can throw you in prison without charge or assassinate you without charge you are not free! He was Governor of New Mexico for 8 years and left them with a $1 billion surplus and started a construction business that grew to employ 1000 people. Vote for a winner. Vote Gary Johnson and Live Free!

    http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

  • Gordon

    WOW, Christopher Allen Horton must be severely ill. He’s not on here turning this into a racist blog.

    • deerinwater

      I was thinking the same thing. ~ was it something that we said?

      I just do-not believe Chris can be taken at face value. I’ve never been able to figure out what he is selling! He is not a simple person.

      • http://dinojay52.wordpress.com dinojay52

        You can’t reinvent the wheel just because you don’t like the ride.

      • deerinwater

        Cleaver! ~ but actually this is being done everyday by someone that answers the simple question “Why” with ~ why not” for otherwise the world would still be moving along at the speed of an Oxen’s walking gate ~ 3.75 miles per. hour.

  • Eloise Watts

    I didn’t see any mention of the fact that the unemployment number DOES NOT include the seventh largest economy…..that of CALIFORNIA. Just imagine what it would probably be and will be revised to in January. Unemployment actually went up, no doubt, but they couldn’t put that out there with the election on the horizon. The most important U6 number did not change. Real unemployment is STILL 14.7%. Wake up people. We need a leader who knows how to encourage growth.
    Hiring a community organizer to run the free world is like hiring a restaurant dishwasher to do brain surgery. Talk is cheap. Obama is all talk and nothing else.

    • http://dinojay52.wordpress.com dinojay52

      There has to be a reason the people of this man’s home state is running away from him. They should know better than any of us because they’ve lived it. Romney knows how to eliminate American jobs to make money which is totally different than creating jobs. I have no respect for a person who causes a problem then complain about it being a problem. A fireman should never start a fire then want to be the hero for putting it out!!!

      • mjr47

        so… dinojay52…if you were a Republican Governor of a State and your Legislature was in the high 80% Democratic…how much would you be able to accomplish? Some of Mitt Romney’s business ventures failed…a LOT more were successful. How many have YOU developed that employ tens of thousands of people??

        A lot of people on these forums spew viterol at everything that is political…doesn’t matter which Party. Some claim as Nancy in Nebraska, that they ‘took off the glasses’ and now see everything much more clearly. It sounds like the ‘glasses’ were just exchanged for a ‘different pair’ and the ‘current pair’ leaves them even more unable to see any good in anything…it’s ALL negative.

        Because one ‘lover’ betrayed them…they now fail to trust anyone. I have felt like this for a long time myself…buying into the BS that everyone is EVIL…NO THEY’RE NOT!!! Yes, there ARE people in this World who ARE evil…they have sold their Soul for money and power…or a misguided ideology.

        If Nancy can ‘change’ how SHE looks at Life…if I can change HOW I look at Life…then it is possible that Mitt Romney or some other politician can also change what they once felt to be how THEY believed.

        I truly hope that a majority of us can get beyond this vicious ‘hatred’ that is controlling how we look at EVERYTHING. We are AFRAID to TRUST anymore.

        If you go for a walk in a beautiful park on a ‘perfect’ day…you spot a pile of fresh dog doo on the path. You pick up a small stick… get down on your knees and start to stir it. If you keep stirring…pretty soon, THAT is all you SEE and SMELL. You become asorbed in this and loose the enjoyment of your Journey. Everything now looks and smells like WHAT you are stirring!!

        This ‘mudslinging’ is causing our Inner Light to grow dim…it is affecting HOW we view the whole World and it is affecting THOSE that we influence…and, more importantly, ourselves. The current economy is crushing us financially…but, the negativity is crushing our Spirit and stealing our JOY.

        This post has NOTHING to do with the article I came here to read. It concerns WHAT I am ‘hearing’ from your posts today, compared to your ‘expressions of thoughts’ that I have been following for many months.

        I do not FEEL enlightened or empowered after reading through many of these posts. I feel angry…afraid…hopeless…..

      • S. Johnson

        MJR47–You’ve just called Romney a liar; something everybody else (especially the people of MA) already knew. He has been taunting the fact that he was so good at reaching over the aisle to Democrats to get things done. If you don’t believe what I’m saying, just go back and watch the debates. If he wasn’t able to get things done due to a Democratic Congress, that’s not what he’s been saying. Trust me…the man is a liar and will tell you anything you want to hear. He’d probably sell you the Brooklyn Bridge if he could find a way to pull it off and put money in his pocket.

  • Daniel

    If you really want to know what obama is all about watch 2016 the movie about obama, and his past and his plan for the future for this country, what an eye opening movie!!! Like the title says” love him or hate him you don’t know him” !!!

  • S Johnson

    Just imagine if we elected Carter instead of Reagan in 1980! I have seen people that no matter the faults this president does, B O is thier choice! I swear it’s gotta be just a partisan preference. There’s no way, no way that a Republican could get away with the same record! No matter what lame excuse is given, B O is the worst pres. in history!

  • uvuvuv

    it takes years for a new employee to learn the products, the company itself and its history, its culture, and its people. someone with the silver haired dignity of a retired judge might look like he has intimate knowledge of all of these, but as a new employee after having been laid off elsewhere, the guy pushing the mail cart will know infinitely more than he does. and yet he has this look of benign authority, the one to turn to for advice, despite his not even knowing where all the bathrooms are. this sadly is why older workers are so slow to get re-hired, they have an awkward fit in their new companies. this can’t be laid at obama’s feet, it’s human nature. on the other hand with real demand for employees the older workers would be far more welcome. do you think in a situation like the williston basin they would say, well we are looking for someone with fewer qualifications (younger).

  • http://Crap Fox

    The only PHONY is MITT THE TWIT! WHAT does he stand for TODAY? Is HE the LIBERAL, MODERATE, or EXTREME CONSERVATIVE?

    • old goat

      just noed the nose picture of Obama – someone screwed it up – it’s the wrong apendage!

      • http://Yahoo Ann

        WOW!!!! Great minds think alike. I said the same thing when I saw that picture. Boy did he get cheated.

  • tony

    Obama said , ” Judge me by the People that surround me ” , well here is why we need to Vote this fraud anti growth Lock your Liberties up Wannabe Dictator in Chief out of Office and all these radicals who will just as soon see you gone from their Earth if you want to return to a Capitalist Free Market enterprise Institution of prosperity for all !!!!! http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/29391/

  • Jeffrey Mooney

    It’s nauseating to read such ridiculous right wingnut blather as posted in these “news” letters. But what’s REALLY scary is that so many clueless voters actually believe this kind of nonsense. Republican “conservatives” (what a ridiculous name, they conserve nothing but fear and hatred) are the problem, purposefully and admittedly stalling the economic recovery to get re-elected. Working against the American people instead of for us. Shame on you all.

    • Frank Kahn

      A fear of something that is truly scary is not a bad thing. Hatred of someone or something that you perceive as a threat to your security is normal.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      What has your bunch been doing all those years except growing big, big government? Your bunch brings nothing but misery, Leftist.

      • http://none Claire

        Their “bunch” has been doing exactly the same thing as your “bunch” for the past several decades.

  • Johnny

    my question is this…..if Romney’s policies are SO fantastic, why is it that you have to cheat in order to win? Why are we making it harder to vote? Why is someone putting billboards in black neighborhoods in cleveland to try and intimidate people from voting? If he has the answers we are looking for, then why isnt he standing by his record and what he is running on?? Why does he change things the day of the debate? Why does he say he is not aware of any abortion legislation and then he has to walk it back?? Why does he make statements during the debate and then his team has to say that isnt where he stands or what he really means later when no one is watching??? Why is the republican secretary of state in ohio not wanting people to early vote three days before the election when 97000 people voted during those days. Maybe it is because Mitt’s policies SUCK and if things were fair, he wouldnt win. Trying to cut taxes is great….hey everyone deserves to keep their money, those people who dont pay taxes would LOVE to make what MITT makes in a year and they would also, I am sure, complain about paying taxes, but the fact is, the poor and middle class would LOVE to earn so much money that they owe money at the end of the year

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Billboards scaring you, Johnny? They would be OK if the billboards had O’s face begging you to vote for him?

  • JimH

    Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.
    Statistics show that 56% of all stats are made up.(just like this one)
    You can make stats show what you want then to, without really lieing.
    What’s better? Lunchmeat that is 95% fatfree, or that bad stuff that’s 5% fat?
    It’s all presentation.

  • Charles

    The fact that Obama was ever elected is proof that this country is in serious trouble. After seeing his racist pastor curse America, I could not vote for him. After add in Barry’s inexperience and lack of accomplishments, common sense told me that liberal McCain was the lesser of the two evils. At least McCain was not a communist and he didn’t advocate Muslim law in America. Furthermore, many people voted for him because he was black, and that’s the only reason. Any real Patriotic American with common sense would not and could not vote for Barry – a man so opposed to Constitutional Liberty and Freedom.

    • Gea

      AMEN! Barak Hussein Obama is a typical product of the “affirmative action” at Harvard who is incompetent for economy and who is also subverting US Constitution to promote his Islamist agenda! BO stinks big time!

    • Rick

      Charles, You are so very right. Our Nation is in serious trouble when so many people can be fooled by a Smooth Talking Smiling Socialist Deceiver/Con Man. My gut told me not to trust Barack Hussein Obama when I saw, and heard him the very first time. Then after learning more about him, my first feelings about him were confirmed and more. It is too bad that so many people do not appreciate their freedom.

  • Bret

    get to the basics repell nafta(north american free teade agreement) put your workers back to work!then more people paying taxes less unemplotment

    • old goat

      It’s been down hill & over the cliff ever since NAFTA!

  • Thinking About

    Great, let’s run out and elect a president who has been successful in raising the employment rate in China. Or better yet the wise one who wanted the auto industry to go bankrupt because this is his business plan. he is the same guy invested in GST and left the pension fund underfunded, requiring a federal agency to put up $44 million to fund and he walks away with a profit. Just what we need, someone to take us into bankruptcy. No the numbers does not add up, the bankrupt king.

    • Elizabeth Clark

      Obama has great wonderful plans for all americans, love islam or die, he doesnt care about anyone but his agenda

      • deerinwater

        Okay Elizabeth Clark, you have made the claim Obama is attempt to install Muslim value into government ~ I am asking you to validate your claim without the aid of tea leafs or crystal ball or retract it and concede to the fact you have no supporting evident other the gossip and hearsay.

        Bear in mind that any American President is every Americans President ~ , I will be generous and expect a reply by Oct. 19th 2012.

        I will accept any help from other posters that might wish to defend Elizabeth Clark’s claim.

      • Karolyn

        Parroting at its best.

      • old goat

        liz – rub their nose in it. dearunderwater loves muslims, muslim brotherhood, camels & goats. Ask him about all of the muslims who fought & put their lives on the line to help Stevens – the ambassidor who helped the MT-bros take over Libya…

        • Deerinwater

          LOL! hahhee ~ you don’t have one clue what I love you old goat. ~ If I don’t , how could you? Do you possess some kind physic goat powers that can see across great distance and hear the unspoken?

          When are you going to quit playing childish name play, dispense with all the mindless drivel, actually make an intelligent statement and attempt to address the forum thread post?

          I love everybody, some when they walk in and some when they leave and take their dysfunctional self on down the road.

          George Wallace was right! “Keep the message down low enough so the goats can eat it.”

  • james street

    Kinetic1 you accuse someone of not providing evidence to back up their claim? If you want evidence to back up the claim, go grocery shopping or order from a fast food menu. Then youll see the REAL numbers, Not some cooked, slanted, make Obama look good (or not as bad) number. A cheese burger, fries and a medium drink $12.76, Breakfast ham, two eggs, hash browns, toast and a drink $19.87. Ribeye steak $25lb. Just to name a few. The value of the dollar lessens every day so there has to be inflation. The devalued dollar also makes the price of crude oil go higher.You dont need anyone to “back up their claim” any more than youd need someone to tell you to get outta the rain.The evidence is right there in front of you.

    • Karolyn

      james – Where on earth do you live???? Ribeye steak $25/lb? I pay around $6. An eggs and bacon breakfast at the local joint costs around $5, Are we exagerrating a bit?

      • http://none Claire

        Karolyn–I agree. Where on earth does he live? I certainly don’t pay those kind of prices. Never have.

      • deerinwater

        Hmm? sounds like he is paying too much and attempting to blame his lack of good judgement on a sitting President.

        In Texas , a good country fresh breakfast , two eggs, 3 strips of bacon or sausage , harsh browns , or grits , toast or Biscuits, gravy, endless coffee and a glass of water will run 6.80 to 7.85 and a 2.50 tip ~ 10 to 12.00 dollar max. today all over the county. The Waffle House will be a dollar more. I like to keep breakfast down around 6 or 7.00 and enjoy a good noon meal if I am alone. It’s easy to do. That is cheap!

    • jopa

      I live in what many consider one of the richest counties in America. Montgomery Co.Pa. and the prices quoted by James are more than double of what we pay in this high rent district.I think James is being robbed or just stretching things a bit.

  • Elizabeth Clark

    oh you know they will get nasty, this guy will stop at nothing to get his way, he is chicago best at being a crook

    • http://none Claire

      In Illinois, the Republicans are no better than the Democrats.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Elizabeth, i wouldn’t worry about Obama too much. The hand-writing is on the wall. Obama is out, and Romney will be (elected)-humour-ha ha…President. It would serve you well, then, to do some serious, and unbiased research on the soon-to-be-President.

      Here’s a sample:

      A US analyst says the key pro-Israeli neo-con elements who ran the former George Bush administration’s foreign and military policies and planned the 9/11 attacks are now running the campaign of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

      Rejecting US President Barack Obama administration’s official account that the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 terror incidents in 2001, Osama Ben Laden, was killed by American forces and then dumped in the ocean, Kevin Barrett said in a Press TV article, “Real perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks are still at large.”

      “And what’s worse is that they control most of the United States Federal Court system and mainstream media, and are running the campaign of presidential candidate Mitt Romney,” he adds.

      According to Barrett, Romney’s top foreign policy advisor Rabbi Dov Zakheim is “one of the leading suspected hands-on designers and controllers of the Israeli-instigated 9/11 false-flag operation.”

      The analyst further added that Zakheim, who was appointed on May 4, 2001 as the Comptroller of the US Defense Department, was responsible for the loss of over USD 2.3 trillion in Pentagon funds – equivalent to five times its annual budget – which was announced by the then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on September 10, 2001, just a day before the 9/11 events.

      The huge and mysterious loss of funds was actually estimated to be USD 9.1 trillion by CIA whistleblower Susan Lindauer, the article added.

      “So what happened to the Pentagon’s missing 2.3 trillion dollars (or 9.1 trillion dollars if you believe Susan Lindauer)?” Barrett asked. “The one thing we know for sure is that it has never been found…at least not officially. Lindauer says insiders know it was embezzled by agents of Israel. Interestingly, the Comptroller of the Pentagon – the man who was running the Pentagon’s finances – was a known Israeli agent, Rabbi Dov Zakheim. (Yes, he really is a rabbi!)”

      Quoting a recently-retired senior military affairs journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterrey, California, Barbara Honegger, Barrett said, “The 9/11 attack on the Pentagon targeted the accountants who were on the trail of the missing trillions” and were killed in a “surgical bombing” that was carried out under the cover of “a nonexistent
      hijacked 757 crash at the Pentagon.”

      Zakheim, according to the article, is not the only “9/11 suspect” tied to Romney’s presidential campaign. “Another is Sheldon Adelson, the Las Vegas mafia kingpin, who gave 100 million dollars to Romney, thereby buying Romney’s eternal enslavement to the looney-tunes Likud faction in Israel.”

      Adelson, the article added, “is reputedly linked to the same Likudnik crime mob that includes most of the key perpetrators of the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, including ‘Lucky Larry’ Silverstein, Frank Lowy, and Lewis Eisenberg – the mobsters who stepped forward to take the money-hemorrhaging, asbestos-ridden Twin Towers off of New York City’s hands, and set up an extralegal demolition, ‘urban renewal by other means,’ to be blamed on Israel’s enemies.”

      Furthermore, the US analysts added that “the Likud crime mob that orchestrated and carried out 9/11” does not merely run the Romney campaign and the US federal courts, but are also in control of vast majority of American and global media outlets as well. “It isn’t just that the people who own and run the media tend to be Jewish and pro-Zionist, as CNN’s Rick Sanchez observed shortly before he was fired.”

      “The problem is that only six corporations control 90% of the media in America. And whether or not those six corporations are entirely owned by the Rothschilds, the founding family and true owners of Israel, they are obviously owned and controlled by the Zionists, as anyone who follows media coverage of the Middle East can see. By far the single most powerful force behind the 9/11 cover-up is the complicity of big media, which have taken every available opportunity to hide the true facts of 9/11, and trumpet the genocidal myth that Muslims were responsible.”

      http://presstv.com/detail/2012/10/09/265722/911-criminals-run-romney-campaign/

  • Dad

    OK avoid the ‘statistics’ and just use the numbers (believing the 7.8?):
    With a price tag now estimated at $833 billion, there are 925,000 fewer construction jobs in the United States than in February 2009, and 1,035,000 fewer than when Obama was inaugurated, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). But in September 2012, according to the BLS, 5,523,000 Americans had jobs in the construction industry, down from 6,558,000 in January 2009, when Obama took office, and down from 6,448,000 in February 2009, when Obama signed the stimulus.
    (So where do you think they get their miracale recovery… from the now doubled 50MM criminal immigrants picking lettuce? Certainly not from the middle class.)
    This is their record:
    •$16+ Trillion National Debt (up from around 10T)
    •$1.1 Trillion Government Deficit each year (roughly double)
    •Over 1260 days Without a Budget (why this admin is failing)
    •Gutting Medicare of over $700 billion (Obamacare)
    Kind of makes you wonder what these blogging sock puppets are trying to spin… Oh well, it’s a job I guess.
    I read the most idiotic stat a while back where they claimed that the government sector was more successful with a 5.1% unemployment rate… what? Gubmint “unemployment?” Anyone buy that… I got a bridge… Heck, we could (and should) cut back by 50% and we’d never miss them… in fact it would help immensely because these union guys ARE the bills.

  • Karen King

    O M G!!! I’m sick and tired of hearing his lies!!! I am sick and tired of hearing his lousy
    b u o name every time I cut on the tv or the radio. Time to get rid of his arrogant
    a s self. Get somebody in there that won’t lie to you. Vote for Mitt Romney. He
    m t is definitely the better man.
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  • Karolyn

    Retail spending up 5.4%! 25% more homes being “flipped” than last year.

  • http://none Claire

    I must say that Romney has told a number of lies himself. I do not care for flip-floppers. He is now “against” most of what he was “for” as Governor of Massachusetts. He does not have the balls to stand up for what he truly believes in. “Wishy-washy” comes to mind. In view of this factor, his words mean absolutely nothing to me.

  • deerinwater

    IT’s funny ~ listening to every ones posting about Mitt Romney reminds me of a song ~

    http://youtu.be/gc2ekrgM7Do

    • Frank Kahn

      please explain the correlation of supporting Romney with a song about coyote ugly.

      • eddie47d

        Charmer Romney gets prettier the nearer the election date. His flip flopping is down right ugly and he has you all by the balls in believing anything he has to say.

      • Deerinwater

        Well Frank, it’s the drunken desperation that makes all the girls prettier at closing time. ~ The close to election time ~ the prettier Mitt Romney seem to be looking for some desperate Republicans if you are willing to listen to them. Mitt Romney is getting more beautiful by the day.

        • Frank Kahn

          I have a different take on the song. I think it refers to the fact that the closer to closing time the more drunk you are and therefor less picky and as a matter of fact less able to discern the actual physical attributes of the women in question.

          I have also not seen what you posit as happening with Republicans, most I hear and read say they still dont like Romney but he is definitely better than Obama. Right or wrong, the opinion that Obama is worthless is a great motivating factor in deciding to vote for someone else. Personally, I wont vote for either one but, if I was to choose between them I would go with Romney.

      • Deerinwater

        I have nephew that is being accepted into the FBI straight out of college. ~ Other then being a hansom mixed race Irish/Philippian , 6, 1″ 240 lb. mothers boy, “A” student , and captain of the college basket ball team, that has never left home, ~ he knows nothing about the world but what he has been taught. Pure as the driven snow. That is entry level FBI material. ~ He still stands the change of washing out, it will depend on if his character is suited for the job ~ as they seem to think so, ~ that is what the FBI is looking for, someone with no history that they can shape and mold with no history and no vises.

        We want someone with a history as our President ~ but that Mitt Romney has made his mark by by playing the part in the destruction of the American Dream for many Americans I find upsetting. Romney had a field day during Reagan deregulation , where moral concerns was no longer relevant to profits and to not interfere with business practices, ~ this concerns me.

        It is not the wealthy in our nation that struggles today, they have done very well during Obama tenure but the middle class that Mitt Romney defines as the 250,000 dollars a year earners seem to believe that they suffer and need more consideration.

        In my eyes, ~ I see an end to the middle class working American under a Romney administration. Less freedom, less liberty and less discretionary money to spend, a life of serving masters ~ much like a house black, willing to be grateful for not being in leg irons like the rest of our kind.

        Okay? ~ If that the way you want it ~ so be it ! ~~~~ I’ll adjust myself for your thinking, my shadow grows long as I am full of days ~ and I haven’t many left to play with. ~ But you will not like what happens next. I have the ability to make life expensive, ~ I too can become a part of the problem if you insist ~ just like Romney, we can dispense with ethnics and morality and conduct business that way ~ if that is what you think is best for America today.

  • bill

    u 6 a much better number to measure work condition remain unchanged at 14.7
    http://factreal.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/7-8-or-14-7-unemployment-rate-for-september-2012/

  • Dave67

    Breaking news: Hillary Clinton does something conservatives never do…

    TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the Libyan attack security lapses.

    You get it conservatives? You claim Clinton is a liberal and she just took responsibility.

    You conservative leaches can take a lesson in responsibility.

  • Lawrence

    As you said, the figures put out by the government are all a munipulated bunch of lies. What bothers me most is that the so called news media, congress and the senate all go along with these fabrications. REPENT America! God has turned us over to these devils.

  • chuckb

    jay, you seem to have a never ending profile of romney, how about exerting some of that energy in showing us how well versed you are on barry soetoro. that would really be interesting.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Where have you been, chuckb? Obama has been scrutinized to ad-nauseam. Besides, he’s irrelevant. The media has turned on him and favours Romney. Why? Because Romney will give the Israel the war with Iran. I thought you would be ecstatic at the thought of a ousted Obama! So now its hands off Romney? Why? Because he’s a Republican? Closer to the truth, he’s a neo-con…and If you thought Obama hangs out with a shady crowd…well, you should take off your blinders and do some serious research on old Mitt. But then again, you have a profound dis-taste for muslims, so i guess Mitt is your man.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Btw, chuckb, you best be getting busy supporting Romney and making sure he’s elected President. For haven’t you heard; Iran is about to build their nuclear bomb. As you may well know, they’ve been trying to build one since the 50′s, or so the media has been reporting…that old NetanYAHOO, nothing gets by him…lol!

      • chuckb

        jay, i am really surprised at your theory. i spouted off the other day, quite incoherent about all these theories over the years and i still haven’t seen any of it come true. i do see a man sitting in the white house that is truly incompetent and without credentials, yet you think it’s alright that he spends another four years just to keep a man who is competent out because of you think he belongs to the bilderbergers group, i see no connection between romney and them. no more than any other president in our past.

        your concern about a war with iran, what happens if barry is re-elected and israel takes out the iranian reactors and war breaks out? do you think for one minute the jewish concerns in this country are going to set by and watch what the out come may be? so either way we will be involved. this may lead to ww3 who knows. we cannot allow these [racial comment removed] radicals to gain the bomb or we will find the next 9/11 will be a mushroom cloud in one of our largest cities.

        if you haven’t noticed the people surrounding barry and feeding his intelligence through the teleprompter are most jewish and descendants of russian communist jews. so you might say we are between the devil and the deep blue sea.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        chuckb says:jay, i am really surprised at your theory. i spouted off the other day, quite incoherent about all these theories over the years and i still haven’t seen any of it come true. i do see a man sitting in the white house that is truly incompetent and without credentials, yet you think it’s alright that he spends another four years…

        No, i do not think its ok for the current potus to remain in office for another four years. In fact, my record will show that i have been dead-set against him being in the white-house, to begin with.

        chuckb says: just to keep a man who is competent out because of you think he belongs to the bilderbergers group, i see no connection between romney and them. no more than any other president in our past.

        I’ve posted several articles with links, showing Romney’s ties to the big-banks, and in particular, his close political relation with Israel. Have you had a chance to look at them?

        chuckb says: your concern about a war with iran, what happens if barry is re-elected and israel takes out the iranian reactors and war breaks out? do you think for one minute the jewish concerns in this country are going to set by and watch what the out come may be? so either way we will be involved. this may lead to ww3 who knows.

        I agree, we will be embroiled in a war with Iran, no matter who wins.

        chuckb says: we cannot allow these [racial comment removed] radicals to gain the bomb or we will find the next 9/11 will be a mushroom cloud in one of our largest cities.

        Chuck, the media has been harping since the 50′s about Iran, and Iran building a bomb. We are at the end of 2012, and still, no bomb. Has it ever occurred to you that the media may be lying, and instead of a bomb, Iran may actually be trying to achieve energy-sufficiency?

        chuck says: if you haven’t noticed the people surrounding barry and feeding his intelligence through the teleprompter are most jewish and descendants of russian communist jews. so you might say we are between the devil and the deep blue sea.

        If you haven’t noticed the people who used to surround barry are now surrounding Romney, and have distanced themselves from Barry.

  • Jim Dreyer

    The election is 21 days from now. We can argue the accuracy of the unemployment figures, who will be reducing taxes to the rich or the middle class, was the stimulus the correct thing to do, was it good or bad for the Federal Government to take over GM. These are all indicators of a philosophy. We have a clear choice on November 6. President Obama has had 4 years to clearly demonstrate his philosophy of bigger government and further intrusion onto our rights as citizens. He obviously has a far left government philosophy. Governor Romney is a moderate, slightly to the right of the middle, who wants to return us to our constitutional rights. He wants to get the Federal government out of our lives and return those things to the states and the people that have always belonged there. It is really that simple. Do you want more government control of your life or less. We all can vote for the philosophy we think is correct. I’m 74 years old so whoever gets elected will not have nearly the effect on my life as he will on the lives of my 7 adult children and 15 grandchildren. I can only hope that my fellow Americans wake up to President Obama’s real agenda and help move us back to what our forefathers intended for this country.

    • Rick

      So true Jim. It is hard to understand why anyone would want more government intrusion in their life. It is to the point of ridiculous now. Even spying on us in our homes with Smart Meters. I cant believe people stand for it. Its to bad that people do not appreciate their freedom and privacy. I too, am greatly concerned about the future of America, when so many are willing to vote for a known Socialist just because he has a nice smile, and reads a smooth line of crap from his TelePrompter. The thing is, his line of crap is only smooth if you are clueless. And his fake toothy smile only makes you sick when your eyes are open, and you can see through it to what is really going on.

  • Dale

    If most of you guys above would stop and think and put your brain in gear before you speak, you would know that the figures are NOT correct. We still have 33 million people out of work and the report of 7.8% only count those who are applying for employment. It does not include those that have quit looking and given up or those who have taken under paying, such as flipping burgers at McDonalds. If you would count all of these the unemployed and underemployed would be about 14%. In my area the un/underemployed is about 11 %. This comes from about 5 counties unemployed department in those 5 counties. ARE YOU BETTER OFF TODAY THAN YOU WERE 4 YEARS AGO? I’m not!!! If you really want to see hard times, just go ahead and elect Obama to 4 more years then be begging to return to a better economy. You see it is not just ObamaCare, but all the other things that he has signed into law while congress was on vacation. One that really bothers me is one he signed that gives the Federal Government the right to open your bank account and remove any amount they needed. Is that what you want? What you will have in 4 years will be a RADICAL ISLAMIC SOCIALISTIC GOVERNMENT with all of your freedoms gone. Why did the IRS request and 174,000 rounds of hollow point bullets unless they expected to have unrest at home. The IRS will not only be the income tax but have charged with keeping the peace in th US. I don’t think that is what you want!

    • Deerinwater

      Dale ask; “. ARE YOU BETTER OFF TODAY THAN YOU WERE 4 YEARS AGO? I’m not!!! If you really want to see hard times, just go ahead and elect Obama to 4 more years then be begging to return to a better economy.”

      My answer, Yes! you bet! I’m much better off. ~ A least ~ there is activity, a heart beat where as there was no heart beat by the last quarter of 2008. We were entering the beginning of a free fall that had be temporarily postponed by 43′s administration in last Oct. of the same year. While this first bail-out might have helped some at that time, ~ It did not help me at all ~ as my business died then and there , not to feel a heartbeat until mid 2nd quarter 2009. By the 3rd quarter 2009 improvement was small but there none the less and every quarter since I have experienced small improvements that add up to a grand improvement compared to the calender year 2008.

      Dale you have asked and now you have your answer but what I see as the single most striking improvement is the fact that not just me now knows and understand we have some serious economic problems to address in this country and only ~ now that you have finally woke up and feel the same pain that I have been feeling for several years ~ just maybe something will get done about it.

      It’s sad that you had to feel this pain but until you did, you would refer to me as simply an under achieving malcontent and somehow found deserving by my “lacking” is someway.

      This current economic downturn did not start with Obama but many years ago ~ some would have us look all the way back to Moses, some wish to go as far back as to the Federal Reserve Act enacted in December 23, 1913.

      While each might offer good argument and credence to such claims, I don’t need to go back any farther then the Nixon administration to make a solid argument identifying “Who Stole the American Dream and explain the forces behind the decent of America’s working middle class that now has this government size 13 boot on our neck and chocking us out.

      This decline experience by the work middle classes has happened very slowly and has not affected all Americans equally or all at the same time and depend on Americans to act with mild complacency as bad things happen to good people as well as bad people with it being somewhat unclear to us as to who has been good and who has actually be bad.

      Bennnie Maddoff was good! His friends were good! It seem that everyone that was really good ~ was doing great ~ and if you wasn’t ~ the fault lie somewhere with you.

      Well that went on for 20 years ~ or so.

      The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 2, 1970, At that time, I was attached to the 25th Div. working out of Chi Che, a whole 21 years old and any ideas about getting rich or national politics was the very last thing on my mind.

      It was the response of Corporate interest to the establishment of the EPA that was to be the trigger that started the current economic down turn we now face today. ~ What did corporate interest do? ~ And how on earth did we get from there to here ~42 years later? ??? Slowly, ~ it’s taken 42 years to put this boot on our neck, and while many of us felt it, ~ few seen it coming.

      Well~ ? I will let you find out how corporate interest reacted for yourself, ~ There has been many “actors” that played their part, ~ that helped make this all happen ~ on both sides of the isle ~ but I can promise you one thing, ~ it was not Obama. Not because he wouldn’t, but because he couldn’t , as these crimes against the American Dream were committed, Obama was not there.

      Today, ~ Obama can’t even get a jobs bill pass the House ~

      Now, ~ if you have such a short memory and wish to believe Obama have drove us into a ditch, ~ you are better suited for understanding football then national politics and certain to be a useful idiot to the forces that has placed this #13 boot on our neck.

      http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2012/10/01/who-stole-american-dream

    • Ice

      Actually the reason it dropped to 7.8% is because one states’ numbers were not submitted. They did not name the state however it was believed to be California because of the numbers. I don’t know how it works in other states but if you don’t apply to at least three jobs a week here, you don’t qualify for unemployment, that gets hard to find three jobs a week in this economy.

  • chuckb

    jay, either way, barry has to go. this nation cannot afford an affirmative action president, especially one that leans toward islam.
    it would be much better to have a person like romney with his riches than people who seek wealth at any means, such as the clintons. barry is nothing but a mouthpiece for the teleprompter and people who are seeking both wealth and worldly power.

    you say the people surrounding barry are abandoning him for romney, that could very well be, even some of the media at this point are asking more questions than before.

    islam is as it always have is seeking to rule the world, that’s why i think iran is interested in obtaining nuclear weapons and they would not hesitate to use it. i don’t think there is such a thing as a moderate mulim, if they believe in the quran, they will follow their leaders to death.

  • http://none jim hughes

    i beleive the reason the unemployment #,s went down from 8.1 to 7.8 was the govt. drop the weeks from 99 to 79 weeks of unemployment

  • JON

    and Phoney article

  • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

    “Second, he is a liar, ie., his birth cert., his selective service registration, his lack of truth behind his religion and his promised plan to reduce the deficit . The list goes on. Red light red light!!! The doubling of the deficit itself in the first years of office”

    Wrong again. There is ample documented evidence for where Obama was born. That you choose to believe hysterical idiots to facts is not in your favor.

    We don’t have the right to his selective service registration, and I would be VERY leery of anyone who says they have a copy. It is illegal to get someone else’s records.

    He is a Christian and has never said otherwise. The fact that his Mom and Step-father put him in a public school in Indonesia and said the he was Muslim does not, in any way, mean that he was. He was, also, in a Catholic School in Indonesia. He’s not Catholic either.

    Since Congress is the only entity that can reduce the deficit, what’s your point?

    There are, also, people who have said that Obama was adopted by his Step-father, and that is why he used his last name in Indonesia. Evidently, the majority of those people don’t realize that demanding that your legal name be use, in school and elsewhere, is a relatively knew idea. When I was growing up it was considered being seen as a family, and not outside of the family, with the same last name. There were no adoptions with this, because it was not needed.

    If you are not old enough to remember this, ask your parents.

    • ELIMINATEobamagate

      [comment has been edited] THE DEMOCRATS HAD FULL MAJORITY OF CONGRESS, THAT MEANS THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, OBAMA’S FIRST TWO YEARS IN OFFICE!! SO YEAH, OBAMA HAD A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO PASS ANYTHING HE WANTED THt would have helped OUR ECONOMY OR SLAsh the BUDGET LIKE HE PROMISED. BUT HE DIDN’T. HE CHOSE TO SNEAK HIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, SELF-GLORIFYING OBAMACARE IN UNDER THE RADAR OF TRUSTING CONGRESSMEN, HIS FIRST TWO YEARS, WHILE PEOPLE ARE STARVING AND LOSING THEIR HOUSES (I’M A REALTOR, I LOST 29 CLOSINGS UNDER OBAMA!!) AS HIS FIRST STEP IN CONTROLLING AMERICANS.
      OH, AND HE’S A CHRISTIAN LIKE THE EARTH IS FLAT.

      • Deerinwater

        Maybe Obama was like McCain and thought that the economy was fundamentalism those first few years?

      • S. Johnson

        You people just keep beating a dead horse. Had Obama not qualified to run for President then it was the responsibility of the people who verify his information to make that decision and they obviously thought that he was qualified. Stop making up crap about the man just because you don’t like him. As far as the other stuff such a selective service registrations and his religion, who cares? Many Presidents, their relatives and friends have been exempt from military service. Anybody who has ever had to work with a budget or get things done know that these things don’t happen overnight so that’s not a red flag but reality. I’ve worked in the computer field for over 40 years and I know that just because a date is set for the release of a product doesn’t mean the product is actually going to hit the shelves on that date–check with Microsoft, Apple and just about any business about that, Of course, that doesn’t mean that the product isn’t going to hit the shelves just that it’s going to be delayed. Also, trying to fabricate red flags isn’t the same as actual ones (people can see straight through shallow bullcrap) based on what the people he served has to say about the man–they have an intimate knowledge of how the man did his job. If a home state doesn’t like or trust someone because they should know, people had better pay attention. I’m much more inclined to go with a full state’s assessment of Romney base my decision on whether or not Romney registered for selective service (or his family and friends) or his religious conviction!!!

      • S. Johnson

        Oh and stop trying to steal my “Red Flag” line. Can’t you think of anything original? Oh, I forgot, you GOP folks steal everything and there’s never original thought because you can’t think. Well, not logically, coherently or rationally anyhow!!! So, what did Romney change his stance on today or is he so confused about his lies until he doesn’t know what stance he took on it?

    • don

      what good does this imformation do? no one will act on it. an where would you find a jude that is not corupted? they have planed for years for our down fall. our teachers teach our children their way of thinking. the constition is. taught as no good that there is no god. do what you want. i guess we must agree with these teaching an lies how else can you explain why it was alowed to happen?

  • Carol

    An earlier question you asked is what is the greatest threat to this country. One of the most dangerous is a propaganda machine like Personal Liberty. Hate, bigotry, and racism, and, in particular, ignorance, is a huge threat, and that is evidenced in a lot of the posts here. These are the things that divide and weaken a nation. I think a lot of you are going to be very disappointed about a year into Romney’s term if he is elected – especially the average American.

    • Gea

      Obama propaganda machinery is much, much worse than any other. How would you like to have “Whites for Romney”, as Obama has “African Americans for Obama” organization? Why is is that majority of blacks voted for Obama? Jews are still fooled by Obama propaganda machinery, not understanding that Obama is subverting US Constitution in order to hide that Islam is a supremacist ideology similar to supremacist Nazi ideology, including delusional Jew hatred, which is rampant in Muslim majority countries (57 of them) around the world.

      Muslim antisemitism is a vile phenomenon that Obama and other “liberally inclined” bleeding hearts are totally ignoring at their peril, just as Germans and other European ignored vile Jew-hatred that Nazis promoted after Hitler came to power in 1933.. Obama even gave money to the genocidal, supremacist, misogynist Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, which has a stated goal” to infiltrate Americana and destroy Western civilization from within, and establish then only true religion of Islam”. Obama let those guys into the White house to help cover up that sharia is unsuitable for human consumption and incompatible with US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

      Any person who respects liberty and human rights should vote this taqiyya man Barak Hussein Obama, out of any position of power in US. Political correctness had disabled many good Americans from seeing facts and think clearly. Wake up!

  • DEBRA VAUGHN

    well the election is over and it is such a sad, sad, day/ The man who sat and watched in real time the murder of 4 American citizens of the us and did nothing to take action to help them got re=elected. If they had been one of his black muslim brothers he would have sent help. Is this why he didnt send help? He didnt want to offend his muslim brothers. He is not a natural US citizen, his father was never a us citizen, so even if he was born in Hawaii, which I really doubt. He should never have been allowed to run for the president of the USA which is the best country in the world. If him or his wife is so unsatisfied with this great country then they need to go back to where he came from. we do not want his thoughts or him to appologize to forgien goverments that he was sorry that america was founded as a christian nation. We have no place for you Obama. I literallly dispise you and all you stand for. You maybe president to some people but you are not my presisdent, and I am deeply upset with you trying to make us into a socialist nation, or rather you seem to want to be a dictator., so I guess that is more toward communism. You MR OBAMA puxhed through OBAMA HEALTH CARE when no one in the united states wanted it but you and the ones you bullied into voting for itl Your mean and untrue ads about Gov Romney who is ten times a better man than you and A THOUSAND TIMES A BETTER PRESIDENT. HE KNOWS HOW TO RUN THE ECONOMY WHICH YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO. ALL YOU ARE GOOD AT IS CAMPAIGNING, RUNNING NEGATIVE ADS, AND LYING TO THE AMERICANS. MAYBE WE SHOULD IMPEACH YOU; WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE PAYING FOR YOUR WIFES VACATION TRIPS WITH HER CRONNIES AND SHE IS NO BETTER THAN YOU ARE. I CAN NOT WAIT TILL OUR GOD TAKES CARE OF YOU. ITS TO BAD THE HURRICANE SANDY DID NOT TAKE YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY. YOU HAVE NOT ONE IDEA OF HOW TO DECREASE THE DEBT THAT YOU DOUBLED. AND WILL DOUBLE AGAIN BEFORE YOU ARE OUT OF OFFICE. MAYBE YOU NEED TO GIVE YOUR SALARY TOWARD SOLVING THE DEBT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. WE HAD A PRESIDENT WHO DID THAT, AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY THAT YOU REALLY DO NOT NEED IT. I AM SO TIRED OF YOUR WIFE TAKING SO MANY VACATIONS AT OUR EXPENSE. THERE HAS BEEN NO OTHER FIRST LADIES DO WHAT SHE HAS DONE., YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF [expletive deleted]. AND WHEN YOU ARE IN HELL, THEN YOU WILL GET YOUR JUST. DUES. DEB VAUGHN

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