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Perpetual Revolution

November 8, 2011 by  

Perpetual Revolution

As the election season revs up, bull-slinging, the favorite sport of the criminal class east of the Potomac, is in full bloom. Some of the best zingers we’ve been treated to lately include:

  • Che Obama, at the G-20 in France, saying, with a straight face: “I have to tell you, the least of my concerns at the moment is the politics of a year from now.” Sure, Barry.
  • Nancy Pelosi, at a recent press briefing, saying, with a straight face: “If President Obama and the House congressional Democrats had not acted, we would be at 15 percent unemployment.” Sure, Nancy.
  • Joe Biden saying, with a straight face, that if Obama’s $447 billion “jobs bill” (i.e., stimulus package) is not passed, there won’t be enough police to prevent rapes and robberies. Sure, Joe.

Do they really believe any of this nonsense? No, of course not. But they do know, through experience, that slinging a decorative array of fecal matter against the wall can win over a significant portion of the electorate — particularly those who don’t know the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

But let’s put the sleepwalkers aside for a moment. They’re pretty much already owned by the left anyway. I’m more concerned about the supposedly conservative media types who are hopelessly trapped in the Beltway Paradigm.

By Beltway Paradigm, I’m talking about those who believe the far-left zealots will ultimately fail because, in the end, the free market will overrule their desires. They are fond of saying that socialism is simply not in the American DNA; thus, in the next election voters will root out those on the far left.

Their problem is that they do not understand how the left-wing revolutionary mind works. Lefties know that communism makes the masses worse off, but they also know they can override that reality through the use of force.

Media mainstreamers, even those who are usually on target, simply cannot grasp a scenario that is so far outside the Beltway Paradigm. In their minds, they naively assume there will always be a next election.

And, even more naively, they assume the government would never use violence against U.S. citizens. Underlying this naiveté is that they cannot bring themselves to believe there is a serious revolution afoot in this country — and throughout the world.

In that vein, a year ago I participated in a panel discussion with three staunch Republicans, one of whom was a high-profile Fox News contributor. At one point in our discussion — and without giving it a second thought — I happened to mention Mao Zedong, Adolf Hitler and Barack Obama in the same sentence, which caused the Fox News contributor to frantically blurt out, “I didn’t say that!” to make certain the audience knew the comment had not come from him.

His knee-jerk attempt to distance himself from my comment took me aback, because I sometimes forget that mainstream guys never stray from the comfortable thoughts contained within their Beltway Paradigm. And, rest assured, revolution is not within that paradigm.

Whether it’s the Occupy Wall Street protesters, rioters in Greece, public workers defacing the State Capitol building in Madison, Wis., or thugs tearing down the city of Oakland, Calif., brick by brick, they are all focused on the same objective: equal distribution of wealth and a classless society. They may not use the word communism, but communism is precisely what they yearn for.

Do I believe every person in these rowdy mobs is consciously involved in a communist revolution? No, of course not. A majority of them, in fact, are probably nothing more than “useful idiots” who are hopelessly addicted to the idea of less and less work coupled with more and more entitlements. I doubt they realize that the system they long to see implemented is communism — or ultimately leads to communism.

In The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote:  “In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against… existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working men of all countries, unite!”

The key words here are “support every revolutionary movement against… existing social conditions.” When you use these words as a filter, it’s easier to understand the connection between such seemingly disparate events as those in Egypt, Libya, Greece, Wisconsin and Lower Manhattan. After all, the only thing that matters is that workers must always revolt against “existing social conditions.”

The result is perpetual revolution, because there are always “existing social conditions.” That’s why most rioters who have been interviewed don’t seem to be able to coherently explain exactly what they’re rioting about. For the left, mob violence is an end in itself. To paraphrase the witch Ursula in the Disney classic “The Little Mermaid,” it’s what they live for.

One of Vladimir Lenin’s more infamous statements was when he said, “We say that our morality is wholly subordinated to the interests of the class struggle of the proletariat.” Translation: Anything goes, because the communists’ noble end justifies any means, including lying, stealing, cheating or even murdering innocent people. From whence comes the kind of absurd bull-slinging we hear from committed lefties like Obama, Pelosi and Biden.

Marx and Engels viewed the world as divided into two classes: the exploiters, who own the means of production; and the exploited, who have no choice but to sell or trade their physical labor in order to survive. Based on the worldwide uprisings we’ve seen over the past year, nothing much has changed in the 163 years since Marx and Engels wrote The Communist Manifesto. Isn’t it amazing that the revolution they called for is still going strong so long after the collapse of the great social experiments in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe?

Above all, Marx and Engels fervently believed that the root of all evil is private property. They cared little about freedom; because, clearly, freedom is impossible without private property. Property is an extension of a man’s life. Thus, if everything he creates can be taken from him, he has no incentive to create.  If everything he buys with his earnings can be taken from him, he has no incentive to earn.

I don’t believe it was so much that Marx and Engels didn’t understand this self-evident reality. I believe it was more a case of their choosing to ignore it. In their narrow, somewhat childish, view of the world, workers deserved to receive all of the proceeds from the sale of whatever was produced by their labor. Management, they believed, was incidental to the production of a product; thus, management and owners deserved nothing.

From Greece and Portugal to California and Wisconsin, from Italy and Spain to Illinois and New York, the socialist model is collapsing under its own weight. Economic and demographic forces are shining a spotlight on the reality that the combination of ever-bigger government financed by an ever-smaller tax base is doomed to failure.

Nevertheless, Obama and his class-warfare pals can win. The more obvious their failure becomes, the more angry and panicked the wealth redistributors, especially in Washington, D.C., will be. Their bull-slinging is easy enough to laugh off, but if it doesn’t work — if it becomes clear that the Democrats are going down to defeat in 2012 — look for them to go to their weapon of last resort and use brute force to “temporarily” suspend elections.

Of course, the least of my concerns at the moment is suspension of the 2012 elections. Sure, Robert.

–Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • s c

    It’s not that hard to say Mao, Hitler and the prez in the same sentence, Robert. I must admit that I feel obligated to use some choice expletives with those three names, though. The trick, you see, is to get people to understand that Mao, Hitler and the prez have more in common with each other than the hobag media and their trained sludge worms will admit.
    When it comes to sources needed to get a handle on what’s going on, I recommend von Mises’ Socialism and H E Barnes’ Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace.
    Throw in a dash of Tragedy and Hope and the Constitution, and you have a remedy for the many fecal-soaked theories that plague mankind. And, up the rebels!

    • Al Sieber

      That’s a good one s c, you’re too kind. I’ve read some of that literature.

      • madog2

        For those having a hard time understanding what’s coming out of Washington you only have to beleave a smidgen of what comes from congress and absolutely nothing from the WH. Politions lawyers and car salesmen could take lessons from the imposter occuping the WH on reversing the truth. To me he should be ruling in Iran instead of here because he would not be more damaging to this Country than is has been.

    • duck

      If the left wing sheep would stop voting in socialists………

      DSA-Members: American Socialist Voter – Democratic Socialists of America – 10-1-09

      The Socialist Party of America announced in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus.
      This admission was recently posted on

      American Socialist Voter–
      Q: How many members of the U.S. Congress are also members of the DSA?
      A: Seventy

      Q: How many of the DSA members sit on the Judiciary Committee?
      A: Eleven: John Conyers [Chairman of the Judiciary Committee], Tammy Baldwin, Jerrold Nadler, Luis Gutierrez,
      Melvin Watt, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Steve Cohen, Barbara Lee, Robert Wexler, Linda Sanchez [there are 23 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee of which eleven, almost half, are now members of the DSA].

      Q: Who are these members of 111th Congress?
      A: See the listing below

      Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva {D- AZ-07)
      Hon. Lynn Woolsey {D- CA-06)

      Vice Chairs
      Hon. Diane Watson {D- CA-33)
      Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee {D- TX-18)
      Hon. Mazie Hirono {D- HI-02)
      Hon. Dennis Kucinich {D- OH-10)

      Senate Members
      Hon. Bernie Sanders {D- VT)

      House Members
      Hon. Neil Abercrombie {D- HI-01)
      Hon. Tammy Baldwin {D- WI-02)
      Hon. Xavier Becerra {D- CA-31)
      Hon. Madeleine Bordallo {D- GU-AL)
      Hon. Robert Brady {D- PA-01)
      Hon. Corrine Brown {D- FL-03)
      Hon. Michael Capuano {D- MA-08)
      Hon. André Carson {D- IN-07)
      Hon. Donna Christensen {D- VI-AL)
      Hon. Yvette Clarke {D- NY-11)
      Hon. William “Lacy” Clay {D- MO-01)
      Hon. Emanuel Cleaver {D- MO-05)
      Hon. Steve Cohen {D- TN-09)
      Hon. John Conyers {D- MI-14)
      Hon. Elijah Cummings {D- MD-07)
      Hon. Danny Davis {D- IL-07)
      Hon. Peter DeFazio {D- OR-04)
      Hon. Rosa DeLauro {D- CT-03)
      Rep. Donna F. Edwards {D- MD-04)
      Hon. Keith Ellison {D- MN-05)
      Hon. Sam Farr {D- CA-17)
      Hon. Chaka Fattah {D- PA-02)
      Hon. Bob Filner {D- CA-51)
      Hon. Barney Frank {D- MA-04)
      Hon. Marcia L. Fudge {D- OH-11)
      Hon. Alan Grayson {D- FL-08)
      Hon. Luis Gutierrez {D- IL-04)
      Hon. John Hall {D- NY-19)
      Hon. Phil Hare {D- IL-17)
      Hon. Maurice Hinchey {D- NY-22)
      Hon. Michael Honda {D- CA-15)
      Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. {D- IL-02)
      Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson {D- TX-30)
      Hon. Hank Johnson {D- GA-04)
      Hon. Marcy Kaptur {D- OH-09)
      Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick {D- MI-13)
      Hon. Barbara Lee {D- CA-09)
      Hon. John Lewis {D- GA-05)
      Hon. David Loebsack {D- IA-02)
      Hon. Ben R. Lujan {D- NM-3)
      Hon. Carolyn Maloney {D- NY-14)
      Hon. Ed Markey {D- MA-07)
      Hon. Jim McDermott {D- WA-07)
      Hon. James McGovern {D- MA-03)
      Hon. George Miller {D- CA-07)
      Hon. Gwen Moore {D- WI-04)
      Hon. Jerrold Nadler {D- NY-08)
      Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton {D- DC-AL)
      Hon. John Olver {D- MA-01)
      Hon. Ed Pastor {D- AZ-04)
      Hon. Donald Payne {D- NJ-10)
      Hon. Chellie Pingree {D- ME-01)
      Hon. Charles Rangel {D- NY-15)
      Hon. Laura Richardson {D- CA-37)
      Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard {D- CA-34)
      Hon. Bobby Rush {D- IL-01)
      Hon. Linda Sánchez {D- CA-47)
      Hon. Jan Schakowsky {D- IL-09)
      Hon. José Serrano {D- NY-16)
      Hon. Louise Slaughter {D- NY-28)
      Hon. Pete Stark {D- CA-13)
      Hon. Bennie Thompson {D- MS-02)
      Hon. John Tierney {D- MA-06)
      Hon. Nydia Velazquez {D- NY-12)
      Hon. Maxine Waters {D- CA-35)
      Hon. Mel Watt {D- NC-12)
      Hon. Henry Waxman {D- CA-30)
      Hon. Peter Welch {D- VT-AL)
      Hon. Robert Wexler {D- FL-19)

      • JC

        All Democrats…go figure!

      • Bruce

        So Duck,

        How many Republicans are also “Socialist” as well as outright “Fascist?”

        Why is it you seemed to forget them.

        Wake up, its not just a one sided poster child within the DC beltway the system is 100% broken so GREED and CORRUPTION are equal WITHIN BOTH PARTY’S.

        As a matter of fact, other than Dr. Ron Paul as wella very few others please name the Republicans that are HONEST, and have not gained massive wealth off the American Tax Payers after their win’s to either the lower of upper house, or even The POTUS.

        Look Duck, the system is BROKEN as well it has been since 1860, in 1868 it was the Rebublicans that RAMMED the 14th Amendment through. Read the 14th Amendment thats why we are all now slaves to the state.

        My post is not to inflame you just wake you up. Scum is Scum be it a D or an R or even an I.

        • JC

          Bruce says:

          November 8, 2011 at 12:00 pm

          So Duck,

          How many Republicans are also “Socialist” as well as outright “Fascist?”

          Define Fascist. Are you suggesting that Americans who adhere to Constitutional values are “Fascist”? If so you need to leave the Land of the Free.

          • Bruce


            From most of your post, your question’s would seem rather worthless at best would you not agree. You quite well know what I have stated to be the truth.
            The Republicans are just as much to blame as the Democrats.

            And then we come back to the ROOT of the PROBLEM; the 14th Amendment, read it, comprehend it, get out a Blacks Law book when you read it, look up each and every word other than the simple words like THE, etc. these words are quite clear in the intent they were used for.

            As well keep your 13th Amendment open while doing this, as one is the aid for the next. Also while your at it, get out EO #1 and read it and look up every word in Blacks law again so you comprehend it. There is the whole ball of wax as to why we face what we are facing.

            Then comes the next step, understanding that the ROMAN Empire never died as well how all that plays together to form what we are and how we got here.

            First off you nor anyone in the US is FREE, as well the OROGINAL Constitution has been on the shelf for over 150 years, everyone in both houses of congress knows that.
            Then factor in PURE GREED and LUST for POWER.

          • JC

            Define fascist.

          • JC

            PS I agree with your last sentence, but you miss the “globalist factor” and you aren’t at all clear why i would need to get into Black’s law to understand what is so clearl and simple anyway.

            So! Define fascist.

          • Tony

            Maybe you should first define “free”.

            How many in the Republican Party do you actually think support constitutional values, much less “freedom” (which, by the way, is not the same as “constitutional values”)

            P.S. “Leave if you don’t like it” is a worthless non-argument commonly used when no REAL argument can be thought of.

          • rgm52

            I see the Fascists of this country in corporate HQ across this country. What we have now is Plutocracy. Big money has bought and paid for the majority of the representatives leaving the Middle Class, at one point the driving force in America, in the worst shape in 50yrs. The system is indeed broken. It’s too big and cumbersome to work properly and WILL fall. It’s just a matter of time.

        • duck

          While what you state may be true. it is the left wing that has joined a visual, organized group of socialists thereby, flaunting their leanings. The American Socialists list of members only have Democrats noted in their organization, not one R or I or even an M shows up anywhere.

          For all intents and purposes, we only have the choice between two political parties, Socialist and Republican. I choose Republican, the lessor of two evils.

          • JC

            Sadly duck…too many are forced to choose the lesser of two evils…which is still evil. I went Libertarian.

          • vicki

            for way to many years I voted for the “lessor” of 2 evils. All I got for my trouble was………..evil.

            Then I switched to Libertarian.

          • Old Henry


            I refer to it as the lesser of two weasels..

        • Tony

          @ Bruce,

          The list he brought on is an official one, from a newsletter of the Socialist Party of America. It is not mere opinion.

          For you to demand he also make a list of Republicans being “socialist” or “fascist” is ridiculous. There is no “fascist party of America” with a newsletter giving a list of proud members among GOP-ers.

          Essentially, what you’re asking is for him to create a list based on nothing but personal opinion, just because you don’t like that he found an ACTUAL list of Democrats supporting the Socialist Party of America.
          Why is it his duty to calm your outrage at the truth of this?
          Why don’t YOU find an *official* list of Republicans supporting either socialism or fascism?
          Maybe because you can’t?

          I don’t think anybody that is honest would deny that America basically has a duopoly and that a large majority of Republicans are frauds who are just as guilty of the mess America is in, as Democrats are.

          But your complaining at Duck’s posting of an official newsletter by the Socialist Party of America, because he cannot conjure up an equally official list of Republicans sympathetic to fascism, is childish and ridiculous. There is no such thing, because unlike Democrats who OPENLY flaunt sympathy with an oppressive and murderous ideology, Republicans are actually too embarrassed to ever admit such a thing.

        • Chuck, the old guy

          Um, just a small comment: the plural of PARTY is PARTIES, not PARTY’S.
          You’re welcome.

      • mark

        Too bad they’re weren’t 138 more of these reps than more of the socialist program would be passed and there might be some hope for this country. “Communism is Coming!” was the tagline for this article. After the capitalism we got from Bush, Paulson, the banks, and Wall Street, communism will be a relief!

        • JC

          Mark, what simple little dipsticks like you are too thick to understand is that we Americans (for the purpose of this statement I’ll include you) have a common enemy and it is The Federal Reserve and all its components. You are one of the Far Too many who think that there is some sort of relevant left/right tug of war in play…there isn’t other than in your communist little mind.

          Here’s a quote that (along with a blow to the head) might shine some light into that dark void of a brain you have…

          “For the first time in its history, Western Civilization is in danger of being
          destroyed internally by a corrupt, criminal ruling cabal which is centered
          around the Rockefeller interests, which include elements from the Morgan,
          Brown, Rothschild, Du Pont, Harriman, Kuhn-Loeb, and other groupings as well.
          This junta took control of the political, financial, and cultural life of
          America in the first two decades of the twentieth century.”
          – Carroll Quigley
          (1910-1977) Professor of International Relations, Georgetown University Foreign Service School, Washington, D.C., member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton
          Source: No source found. Supposedly from ‘Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time’ (1966)

          • Pam R

            JC You are so right. Rockefeller started his One World Order Group called Bilderberg in 1954. They have been working towards this goal since, little by little, but Rockefeller is now 97 years old and wants to realize his dream of a One World Order before he dies and goes to hell. Hence, Obama is slapping us in the face with it like no other president. I love America and will do everthing I can to save it. I hope for those who are with me we’re not too late.

          • Old Henry

            JC, thank you. Your reply was much better stated than what I had in mind. Glad I read yours first as I think Mr. Linvingston would have revoked my key to the front door here at the “Livingston Center for Free Thinkers”.

            I have just about had it with these smucks tolling the hallways here. Maybe it’s my insomnia…

          • JC

            Thanks Pam and Old Henry. I get very tired of listening to these spolied little whiners and their “It’s not fair” and “tax the rich” garbage. I’ve grown up learning tolerance and acceptance of people and to take a certain joy in the many flaovors and cultures of the world…but I’ve had it with these “Ameri-Commies”. They’re just too dangerously stupid to tolerate anymore.

            Pam here’s a little more from the horse’s mouth:

            “We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
            Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
            our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
            forty years.”

            “It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world
            if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
            But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a
            world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite
            and world bankers is surely preferable to the national
            auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
            – David Rockefeller
            (1915- ) Internationalist billionaire, CFR kingpin, founder of the Trilateralist Commission, World Order Godfather
            June 1991 Baden, Germany
            Source: Bilderberger Meeting, Baden, Germany

        • vicki

          Mark writes something about communism being a relief.

          Relief from what? Communism is well stated in its truly transparent sound bite.

          “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”

          Slaves don’t need much to live and work to their ability. I offer as evidence all Communist dictatorships.

          • mark

            Yes but in your analysis you mention slaves. You are aware that slaves were a big part of the capitalist system here in the United States. There is also no political freedom in China. Yet it is a capitalist system.

          • JC

            Marxy, “It is a capitalist system”?

            Yeah for the ruling elite in a demand economy. Do you think the proles are really benefiting? That’s how “communiosm” works naieve little boy…The rulers enjoy “capitalism” while the naves do the work…equally…each according to his ability.

            Americans consider themselves sovereign individuals with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in a free country.

            There is no comparison except in the dark hallways of your narrow mind.

          • vicki

            Mark, like so many others has been warned what communist dictatorships will do for/to the worker. The communist elite even freely tell the workers what their fate is to be but the starry eyed worker falls into the trap.

            “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” Humans have a VERY overblown concept of need.

            Check out all those “communist” countries over the years and see how the worker lived vs how the elite lived. And Mark, try to remember that in a capitalist system you buy and sell with the consent of both parties. In a communist system you do as the government tells you.

        • Beth

          Communism is coming and it’s led by the Republicons.

          • JC

            And Democrats. Both are bought and paid for before they are presented to us as “electable”.

        • Chuck, the old guy

          No, no, no, Mark, you DON’T want communism! Cuba is currently experiencing VERY nasty levels of government thuggery and suppression of free speech, as bad as any that occurred during Stalin’s regime in Soviet Russia.

          If you really insist on seeing what communism is like, just visit Cuba and you’ll change your mind REAL fast!

      • Cawmun Cents

        I published this same list on this site over a year ago…it wont do any good…the people who need to be listening arent.They are still too comfortable to move to change anything.And….when the time comes where they become uncomfortable…it will be too late.This is a condition which comes from God.
        The blind will stay blind,and will not,repeat(not)believe it can happen to them.
        Nothing can save them,
        Justice is lost,
        justice is raped,
        justice is gone.

        Pulling their strings,
        justice is done.
        Seeking no truth
        winning is all.
        find it so grim,so true,so real.

    • Ralph

      Hitler was strongly against communism … it is a common fault to associate his name with bolshevik thinking and ideology. Communism was a real threat to Europe befroe the rise of Hitler and he determined to fight it with all his might … he was a national socialist and did not advocate exporting it to any other country. Stalin and Lenin on the other hand, were also socialists but also internationalists, who wanted the whole world to go under communism.

      • vicki

        Ralph writes:
        “he (Hitler) was a national socialist and did not advocate exporting it to any other country. ”

        He advocated taking over all other countries instead. Not really a big difference when you think about it.

      • Dave M

        Communism and fascism are on the same end of the political spectrum. The two are so alike a citizen living in either a fascist state or communist state would be hard pressed to tell the difference.

        I wasn’t until WW2 that we invented the notion that Hitler and Stalin were political opposites. This was for propaganda purposes to rationalize Russia as our ally.

        The end result is the same with either political doctrine, big government and big business meld together to form a Statist society.

        • vicki

          Dave M says:
          “Communism and fascism are on the same end of the political spectrum.”

          Agreed. The big (100%) government end. As this video explains the republicrats and demopublicans have for many years tried to distract us by claiming the spectrum is left vs right when the real spectrum is 100% vs limited vs 0% government.

    • Wim Vonk

      Makeup your mind. If Obama is a socialist why compare him to hitler who was very far right. Mao and Hitler is also a contradiction in terms.

      • independant thinker

        Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were more alike than different. While Hitler did permit private ownership of property and businesses that ownership was pretty much in name only. Hitler had TOTAL control of Germany. He controlled the churches, who could work, how much they would be paid, who could own industries, what the industries could produce, what they could charge for their products, etc.. He also controlled the unions, the social organizations, entertainment and so on.

      • JC

        Wim…you know darned well that Hitler was a “National Socialist”
        That’s what NAZI stands for….run your bull somewhere else.

      • JeffH

        Actually Wim Vonk, Obama is a Marxist. Are we, the US and the world not faced with “class struggle”? Are the OWS protests not about “class stuggle”? Class envy has been part of Obama’s theme. Obama was a Marxist “commuity organizer” prior to entering politics.

        Dr. John C. Drew, a former Marxist-turned-conservative-Republican, recalled an evening he spent with Obama in late 1980 and stated that the young Obama was not only a passionate Marxist, but a Marxist-Leninist, devoted to the revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist system in America. The meeting occurred in late December, 1980 when Drew, a 1979 Occidental College graduate in his second year of Cornell University grad school, visited his girlfriend, still an Occidental student, who shared a political theory class with Obama.

        June 2008…On the conservative Mike Gallagher radio show yesterday, former House Majority Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said “if McCain does not define him as what he is — hey, I have said publicly, and I will again, that unless he proves me wrong, he is a Marxist.”

        Gallagher said Obama is “desperately trying to cover up what seems to be the kind of old school Marxist radical liberal failed ideology.”

        Marxism is “scientific socialism” which Karl Marx developed in a more rigorous way as a system which, he said, was evolving from historical circumstances, rooted in a class struggle made inevitable by economic developments.

        Marx predicted the collapse of capitalism through its inherent contradictions: ruthless competition among capitalists would destroy capitalism. Its own decadence would invite the proletarian revolution to overthrow the capitalist state.

        The capitalist state would be replaced by the proletarian state which he called the dictatorship of the proletariat.

        The proletarian state would create a socialist economy and a classless society. Once that was accomplished, the state would no longer have a purpose, and would wither away.

        The result would be the communist society, in which the great productive capacity of the new economy, evenly distributed according to need, would enable people to perform work for self-fulfillment rather than for monetary value.

        The “Achilles heel” of liberalism is the fact that, without government intervention in the private market, the lower class live lives of desperation , while surrounded by others who have wealth and live in luxury. This inherent injustice will always give the Marxist vision a magnetic appeal, even if that vision cannot be realized.

        • mark

          Tom DeLay, another unimpeachable source. A convicted felon out on bail and awaiting sentencing. He will soon be gathering brush in an orange prison jump-suit with the rest of the inmates at Hunstville.

      • vicki

        Wim Vonk writes:
        “If Obama is a socialist why compare him to hitler who was very far right.”

        Since Hitler WAS a socialist (you do know what NAZI stands for, Right?” They would be comparable. However Obama may be more of a Muslim or a Marxist than socialist.

        You should probably look not at left vs right but at 100% vs limited vs 0% government. Here is a short (~10 min) video to help.

        • mark

          What the Nazis called themselves, the National Socialist German Workers Party means absolutely nothing. The name is completely fraudulent and was created to induce German worker support. The Nazis actually crushed all independent unions once when they were in power and slavishly supported the giant corporations and arms producers of Germany. The Nazis were largely a fascist, extreme right-wing and nationalist party. They imprisoned, tortured, and murdered virtually all true German Communists and Socialists. And of course, they also invaded the Soviet Union with 3 million troops to destroy communism once and for all. It always amazes me how people simply naively accept the labels that lying totalitarians give themselves. The vicious, murderous communist regime of North Korea has long called themsevles the People’s Democratic Republic of Korea, though they are neither democratic, nor a republic, nor representive in anyway of their people’s wishes. Yet people on this site would automatically believe them. Why do you believe the lies and propaganda of totalitarians murderers like the Nazis when they said they were socialist? Why would you believe anything the Nazis say about themselves or others? Everything the Nazis said and did was a giant, hateful lie.

          • Void1972

            Everything obama says is ” a giant, hateful lie.

          • John Lilleburns ghost

            This comment is both cogent & concise and therefore totally out of place on this site.

          • libertytrain

            John – you ridicule this site – yet your comment remains. Personal Liberty is alive and well here – the same right is not afforded on the Left’s site for someone on the right to post the same kind of comment as you have.

          • vicki

            mark writes:
            “Why do you believe the lies and propaganda of totalitarians murderers like the Nazis when they said they were socialist?”

            Perhaps because they acted as socialists?

            “What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government.”

            Thus you see that NAZI Germany was much like “The peoples repulic of (Insert name here)”.

            Btw mark. Words do have meaning. To most Americans the word combination “peoples repubic of” translates to communist dictatorship.

  • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

    Not long ago I remember a left-wing President who was impeached for a sex scandal lie that involved national security. Now we have a bona fide treasonous, seditious person in the White House, making threats against all concerned Americans, fomenting discord in the country through his fraudulent communist mantra, and pushing the Marxist agenda by overwhelming the system with more and more proposed taxes, and not lifting a finger to correct the economic and job problems. This man-child has no business sitting in the White House and yet, has involved us in undeclared wars in Libya and elsewhere. This man-child has hidden his own history from the public and is fraudulently using taxpayers’ monies to keep it hidden, even though law and the Constitution demand he be vetted.

    Obama has no regard for the law or the Constitution, and has committed felony crimes against society, the Constitution and We the People. Why is it that members of the House are not filing impeachment papers against this fraud every day???? Does anyone have the guts to take this pseudo-President down?

    • peter

      Do you maybe? Lets face facts, the president and all his merry men together with the alternative republican hopers plus the rest of this worlds infamous and incompetent heel dragging leaders have’nt a clue what to do to fix the mess that they have made. The rest are just as clueless and we are all in big trouble. The only way out is for the “bosses” to institute martial law since the serfs are about to get out of hand and there is much trouble and misery on the horizon. Enjoy the tsunami that is about to hit us in 2012. Be brave and blessed.

      • JC

        And armed.

        • RivahMitch

          Amen!! Locked and Loaded!

      • DaveH

        I disagree, Peter. The Leaders know darn well what they’re doing. And they don’t care because they will always be better off than the average citizens.

      • mike

        i am embarassad that the south has 5 traders but not surprised that california had the most

      • oldtimeyman

        “Barry Soetoro took the name Barack Hussein Obama, got himself elected and immediately began pushing the country so many look up to, right up to the precipice and nobody—nobody—has been able to stop him,” wrote Judi McLeod, editor at Canada Free Press. “Now when we have a narcissistic Obama plunging in the polls, a democrat governor in North Carolina is pushing the envelope for suspending elections and covering up a notion she dropped a bombshell by claiming she was only using hyperbole to make a point for a Rotary Club.”

        McLeod predicts that if the election were held tomorrow, Obama would go down in a landslide strikingly more humiliating than the shellacking he and his party got—and never got over—in the recent midterm elections.

        But the 2012 election is more than a year away, and the man who made it all the way to the most powerful office on earth without documents establishing his true, legal identity now has all the booty, and the absolute power it brings, at his command. This is Obama’s position at a time when ONLY suspended elections would guarantee his re-election.

        “North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue was not joking when she spoke about suspending elections. Nor did she pick the idea out of thin air. Perdue was giving the suspend-congressional-elections idea its first oxygen for her hell-bent-for-leather boss,” McLeod wrote. “It is crucial to not let this day go down without remembering what Perdue said.

        Don’t let the state-controlled mainstream media lure you back to sleep by saying if there is no election, then why is Obama so diligently campaigning. Obama is not campaigning. He is preparing for Stage Two of the Total Transformation of America, using taxpayer money to prepare his Internet-identified ‘troops’ for the coming Marxist Revolution.”

        Ovomit must not be allowed to get away with his continuing fraud and usurpation of the presidency. Patriots should now be doing everything legal to stop him in his tracks, remembering that nothing is impossible when all the control is held by a tyrant as well as a dictator.

    • Michael

      The Congress of the United States seems to live in perpetual fear of B. Hussain Obama and the press continue to give he and his ilk passes almost every day. Until we educate the voters to this great loss of liberty we are enduring, nothing will change.

      • 12AngryMen

        Coming from Chicago, and looking at his known allies, I would not be surprised to discover Union thugs and the ilk actually having some real intimidation factor over people that would be in a position to do much.

      • Old Henry


        I am not only for impeachment, but preferably his out right arrest and imprisonment. However, we must remember that the Senate is controlled by communists, so even if the HOues impeached the head communist it would go NOWHERE in the Senate. Thus the House would be left twisting in the wind.

        Issa has been working on a few of the countless scandals, but the process grinds much too slowly.

        If the 2012 elections are stopped the only option left will be an open armed revolt by the people on DC. It will be bloody, but perhaps the citizenry will be able to take out the traitors on BOTH sides.

        If not successful…. at least the effort was made and the Tree of Loberty will be sustained with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

        This Friday, 11-11-11, will be very interesting to watch as it is merely the first shot over the bow.

      • mark

        With the alternative candidates out there, Obama may actually win reelection! That is how bad the opposition is.

        • dfinch

          It’s a long time before the election. Each one will get better in their own right.

        • Curtis Bostic


      • talkinbout

        Re: Michael, I agree that we’ve lost a lot of liberty but, from what I can see, most of it was lost through the Patriot Act during the Bush II administration.

        I’d be interested in knowing about other losses of liberty since the last administration.

        • independant thinker

          start with the expansion of the patriot act.

          • talkinbout

            I did the usual checking with the fact check sites but found very little on the Patriot Act and what did come up was old like from 2008 to older. Can you or anybody direct me to an unbiased authority on the expansion of the Patriot Act?

          • JeffH

            Focusing public attention on emerging privacy and civil liberties issues – USA Patriot Act

          • talkinbout

            Re: jeffH, thanks for the link JeffH but I couldn’t find anything there that says Obama or the Democrats have expanded the Patriot Act. The closest thing I could find was about extending the PA in 2005 so I still don’t know what Michael or other posters on this site are talking about when they say Obama is responsible for, as Michael puts it, “this great loss of liberty.”

      • professor

        I find it hard to believe that the arrogant, bloated, self-anointed, elite-class… is trembling in fear.

        Rather, I feel that all of Congress is “protecting” obama, just as they did when they swept him into the office of the presidency, refusing to admit that he is not Constitutionally qualified and the Republicans provided nothing but a “shill” as an opposing candidate.

        Congress, all 535 are responsible for the what has happened to this country, as a result.

        If the House Republicans were of a mind to “right this wrong” they could try one of several ways to rid our country
        of this heinous criminal. They could ask for obama’s removel from office and send it to the Senate. The Senate would be put in the position of “making the decision”….the decision to let obama continue his “reign.” This puts the obama problem directly at the feet of the Senators. It is a political move that Republicans might need to consider.

        • Will

          We had the same alternative in 2008 that we have now. 40% of the “kids” under 30 will vote against uhbamma and with the republican candidate if we can push Ron Paul into the rep. nomination. The indies will vote thier own way as always. The conservative citizens will always take a republican over a demonicrat. If we can’t run Ron Paul, the kids will tip the scale back to uhbamma. Ron Paul or we’re doomed to more uhbammanation. my .02

    • Lueder

      Let’s face it: the only reason anyone would want to impeach our current president is because they are a racist and a bigot. Totally NOT because he has done anything wrong!

      • JC

        You’re joking right? Which part do we want to impeach based on race?
        The white part or the black part? You clowns always revert to the “race card” because you are “race pimps” and have no other concept of reality or anything actually relevant to say.

        Personally I think the Kenyan is more like a white liberal woman than a downtrodden black man.

      • Lee

        Don’t really know about what is truly going on in American Society. Don’t read much do you? Hopefully your not the smartest one in your family.I’m no bigot but I’m a Red Man,It is funny because what these people did to us they are going to do to you.And dumb people like you are going to deserve every bit of it.

        • DaveH

          Thanks Lee, for your experienced input.

      • Skyraider6

        WHAT you say nothing wrong, where the heck have you been? under a rock.

      • steve in AZ

        At least at this time, it’s still legal to be racists and bigots in this country.

        What else you got, Lugey?

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Lueder… Your sarcasm is unwelcomed here.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Lueder, looks like we have another paid Soro’s shill to stir the pot_-BTW, That statement was killer!__lol

      • Old Henry


        You are either a complete moron or a communist… Ah, but I repeat myself.

        That racist sh*t no longer works.

        Say mornon, speaking of racist what is your take on Cain?

        • ALL AMERICAN

          Cain 2012
          Try and call me a racist, all you race card, Islamo Fascist, Marxist bastage idiots.

      • alex

        i would hope you are not stupid enough to believe what you wrote but i fear you are that’s why we have this idiot in the white house and so many of his enablers in congress, because the voting public are the same

      • JeffH

        Lueder says DUH!

      • Mike in MI

        Don’t let Looter upset you folks -
        His statement simply points to the fact that Mr. Ringer’s quote above of V. Lenin is accurate and is a tenet of the left in any of their guises. His quote of Lenin: “We say that our morality is totally subordinated to the interests of the class struggle of the proletariat.”
        Don’t be surprised if Looter can’t recognize the moral insensitivity of his “brain”. He’s totally sublimated and subordinated his morality – if, indeed, he ever had any. It’s entirely possible he was taught some as a child but subjected himself to certain drugs or chemicals (such as homos are affected by as a result of their special vice) that can wreck brain pathways that are supposed to transfer data acquired in the past from association areas to the forebrain for conscious (conscience) activities. In effect he may not have a conscience if brain damage has severed the connections to specific stored, learned information storage centers. (This is one of the reasons God has problems with “sodomites”…they are “void of judgement” and without good reasoning ability after they’ve engaged in it for years.) They literaly become a liability to the societies where they exist. (Tell you anything about certain churches?)

      • JayJay

        Where have you been…….under a rock? Or perhaps a better conclusion would be that you are one of the mooches out there who gets a free ride from the government, taxpayers’ money. So keep your rhetorical name calling to yourself. You are a slime ball.

      • Will

        I really hope that was a joke or something ironic. Uhbamma put the dirtbags in every illegal “czar” position he appointed. He has repeatedly ignored the will of the people and made endruns around our system of government and trampled on our constitution. His attorney general is incompetant, and is guilty of at least manslaughter. His “safe school czar” has taught minor children the virtues of how to “anally fist” each other (for thier safety?) while he openly committed sex crimes against minors. Instead of uhbamma having the pervert jailed, he protected the scum and made excuses for it. Just like the pope. He is the worst president in my lifetime and a street criminal. I’m astounded that anyone could actually make statements supporting the douch. He’s been more destructive than nixon, carter,reagan,big george willybob,and little george combined and I never thought that was even possible. Prosecution is the only just end for the bum.


      After the “OPEN MIKE” comments of Sarkozy and Obama about Netanyahu, it is obvious that the Israeli prime minister is more of an American than the fraud that is in place today. As a matter of fact, I would venture to say that Netanyahu has spent as much time in the U.S. as Obama has, up to the age of 21. I wish we had a leader who knows more about life in the real world, and has no fear of speaking about it, instead of a limp wristed pseudo Frenchman.

    • http://N/A H.D. Hemmings

      I agree completely! Well said, and with so few words.

    • Void1972

      Interesting article for everyone to read.

      The “War on Terror” is a ruse by central bankers to control every aspect of your life.
      Reviewing “The Red Symphony” recently, I was shocked to read an insider’s statement that the bankers are not content with infinite wealth, but want unlimited power.
      “The Red Symphony” is a 1938 Stalinist Secret Police (NKVD) interrogation of Christian Rakovsky, a Soviet ambassador who was a close associate of Leon Trotsky, Rothschild’s agent.
      I introduced this explosive 50-page document to my readers two years ago. It strips the veil from modern history and explains the real meaning of Revolution, Communism, Freemasonry and War. It was not intended to become public knowledge. The translator, a Dr. J. Landowsky, made an unauthorized copy.
      The human experiment is endangered by private interests who have usurped the function of money creation. Modern history reflects the gradual process by which they transfer all wealth and power to themselves, destroying Western Civilization and creating a world police state.
      Rakovsky, whose real name was Chaim Rakover, was sentenced to death in Stalin’s purge of the Trotskyite faction of the party. Leon Trotsky wrote in his autobiography, My Life, : “Christian G. Rakovsky… played an active part in the inner workings of four Socialist parties– the Bulgarian, Russian, French, and Roumanian–to become eventually one of the leaders of the Soviet Federation, a founder of the Communist Internationale, President of the Ukranian Soviet of People’s Commissaries, and the diplomatic Soviet representative in England and France …”
      Rakovsky tried to convince his interrogator that Stalin should cooperate with the bankers who “are just like you and me. The fact that they control unlimited money, insofar as they themselves create it, does not…determine the limits of their ambitions . . .The bankers, have the impulse towards power, towards full power. Just as you and me.”
      They created the Communist state as a “machine of total power” unprecedented in history. In the past, due to many factors, “there was always room for individual freedom. Do you understand that those who already partially rule over nations and worldly governments have pretensions to absolute domination? Understand that this is the only thing which they have not yet reached.” (emphasis mine)
      A pernicious force paralyzes our national life. Rakovsky identifies it: “Imagine to yourself, if you can a small number of people having unlimited power through the possession of real wealth, and you will see they are the absolute dictators of the stock exchange and [economy]…If you have enough imagination then…you will see [their] anarchical, moral and social influence, i.e. a revolutionary one…Do you now understand?”
      The Revolutionary Movement, which defines modern history, was a means to increase banker power by destroying the old order.
      In the French Revolution power subtly passed to the bankers who weren’t constrained by Christian niceties, Rakovsky says. “The supreme Royal power was taken over by persons, whose moral, intellectual and cosmopolitan qualities did allow them to use it. It is clear that these were people who had never been Christians, but cosmopolitans.”
      Communism, far from distributing wealth, is designed to concentrate it in the hands of the world’s wealthiest people. (The State owns the wealth and they own the State.) And Marxism, “before being a philosophical, economic and political system, is a conspiracy for the revolution.”
      Rakovsky scoffs at the “elementary Marxism…the demagogic popular one” that is used to dupe the intellectuals and the masses.
      [Whatever its intrinsic merits, Socialism seems designed to bribe and make people dependent on socialist politicians and big government, which the bankers control.]
      As for Freemasonry: “Every Masonic organization tries to create all the required prerequisites for the triumph of the Communist revolution; this is the obvious aim of Freemasonry,” says Rakovsky, a high-ranking Mason himself.
      The aim of the Revolution is no less than to redefine reality in terms of the interests of the bankers. This involves the promotion of subjective truth over objective truth. If Lenin “feels something to be real” then it is real. “For him every reality, every truth was relative in the face of the sole and absolute one: the revolution.”
      In other words, white is black and up is down. This is the way it was in the Soviet Union and this is now happening to us. Truth and justice are being replaced by political diktat. “Political correctness” a Bolshevik term is now in common usage. Physicists like Steven Jones who question Sept.11 are silenced. Historians like David Irving are jailed.
      Rakovsky marvels that “the benches on which sat the greasy usurers to trade in their moneys, have now been converted into temples, which stand magnificently at every corner of contemporary big towns with their heathen colonnades, and crowds go there …to bring assiduously their deposits of all their possessions to the god of money…”
      He says the Soviet five-pointed star represents the five Rothschild brothers with their banks, who possess colossal accumulations of wealth, the greatest ever known.”
      Isn’t it strange that Marx never mentions this fact? Rakovsky asks. Isn’t it strange that during revolutions, the mobs never attack the bankers, their mansions or banks?
      War is the means by which the central bankers advance their goal of totalitarian world government. Rakovsky says Trotsky was behind the murder of Arch Duke Ferdinand (which sparked WWI.) He recalls the phrase used by the mother of the five Rothschild brothers: “‘If my sons want it, then there will be no war.’ This means that they were the arbiters, the masters of peace and war, but not emperors. Are you capable of visualizing the fact of such a cosmic importance? Is not war already a revolutionary function? War�the Commune. Since that time every war was a giant step towards Communism.”
      After the murder of [Illuminati member Weimar Foreign Minister] Walter Rathenau in 1922, the Illuminati give political or financial positions only to intermediaries, Rakowsky says. “Obviously to persons who are trustworthy and loyal, which can be guaranteed a thousand ways: thus one can assert that those bankers and politicians [in the public eye] – are only men of straw . . . even though they occupy very high places and are made to appear to be the authors of the plans which are carried out.”
      In 1938, Rakovsky outlined three reasons for the upcoming Second World War. The first is that Hitler began to print his own money. “This is very serious. Much more than all the external and cruel factors in National-Socialism.”
      Secondly, the “fully developed nationalism of Western Europe is an obstacle to Marxism…the need for the destruction of nationalism is alone worth a war in Europe.”
      Finally, Communism cannot triumph unless it suppresses the “still living Christianity.” He refers to the “permanent revolution” as dating from the birth of Christ, and the reformation as “its first partial victory” because it split Christianity. This suggests that the “conspiracy” also contains a racial or religious factor.
      “In reality, Christianity is our only real enemy since all the political and economic phenomena of the Bourgeois States. Christianity controlling the individual is capable of annulling the revolutionary projection of the neutral Soviet or Atheist State.”
      Now the Central Bankers are promoting World War Three as in “The Clash of Civilizations.” Substitute Islam for Christianity above, and pit “Christians” against them.
      Our beliefs must adjust to the truth and not vice versa. Apparently, the truth is that a relatively small clique of Jewish banking families and their non-Jewish allies in the leading families of Europe and America have usurped control of money creation, and with it the destiny of the world.
      This overclass owns or controls most of the world’s largest corporations, media organizations, intelligence agencies, secret societies, universities, politicians, foundations, think tanks and NGO’s. It also appears to dominate organized crime.
      Sept. 11, the War on Terror and Iraq are part of an inexorable process by which this overclass increases its wealth and control. The end goal is a world police state in which the masses will be deprived of their wealth, freedom and possibly their lives.
      Neo Cons are really Neo Com-munists. They jeopardize the security of their fellow Jews (as well as all Americans) by their evil machinations. Jews should follow my example and repudiate them.
      The overclass wants us to see it as a “Jewish problem.” This way it can deflect blame onto innocent Jews and then dismiss opposition as “hatred” and “prejudice.” The problem is mainly one of money creation (credit) that has led to an untenable concentration of wealth and power in a few hands.
      Almost everyone who is “successful” in society, Jewish or not, is forced, wittingly or unwittingly to align themselves with the overclass. Our religious, cultural and political institutions have been subverted. This explains the false quality of social life in the West.
      Let’s remember Christ’s message: God is Love. God is more powerful than the satanic force that holds mankind in its thrall. But His will cannot be done unless men do it.
      Whatever the cost, doing nothing will cost more. The affluence we temporarily enjoy is part of an age old plot to ensnare and enslave humanity.

      • James

        I’m curious, did you copy and paste that, or actually type it? If you copied and pasted it, how did you do that?

      • Monte

        Frightening analysis, Void 1972!

      • NonBeliever

        Curious how in the last 60 years so many new fortunes have been made, if, in the 1930′s, the wealth of the world was already in the hands of a few.

      • Mike in MI

        Thanks, Void1972 – That fills in the final gaps for me.
        Ever wonder why Jesus Christ specifically was led to bring up the “god of money”… “Mammon”? There you have it, maybe. At least as part of the reason.
        Unlimitted power, working through a very few men, Babylon destroyed and all the merchants of the earth standing afar off wailing and gnashing their teeth, those “who buy and sell men”. It really doesn’t matter who the people are, just whom do they serve? Which god? Why does goodness, morality, human sufferring, death, war, every evil thing on earth entice-enthrall-obsess those on top now?
        The god they serve has absolutely no care or concern for any person except those who do anything (evil) he demands of them…and gets rid of them if they don’t.
        The only thing that god is afraid of is the Bible and those who have ever in history had a record of believing it…like Christians and the Hebrews (to whom The Great God still has a few Promises to keep). It is the only thing stronger/more powerful than his deceitful power.
        The one thing the lower-case “god” has always wanted is power over the whole earth and everything on it…and universal worship – whether voluntary or coerced. And, if you like his ways rather than Jesus Christ’s God and Father you’ll have a chance to live under what he produces: John 10:10 – “The thief comes not but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy…”
        That what you stand for? That’s what you’ll get.
        I don’t plan to be here. So, enjoy yourself if you’re that kind of person.

      • Bev

        very interesting – and seemingly at least 90% true. I read a book in the late ’70′s called “The Higher Circles” which explained how the top 1% of the top 1% actually own 50% of American assets. I bet that number has exploded today!

        Americans are being lied, lied, lied to and misled. And I am betting that those in power are bribing, threatening, and even murdering, those who will not shut up and help them maintain their control over American minds. Republicans, sadly, seem especially vulnerable to not thinking for themselves!

        WHERE ARE THE SOLUTIONS????? Wall street occupation? That is the best we got right now since our politicians are either too controlled, weak or dumb to make effective changes.

        Americans are not going to tolerate continued disintegration of our lifestyles! We can not continue to think of our country as the “greatest” when so many are living like they’re in third world countries! Starvation in America! Not acceptable! Period.

    • Lost in Paradise

      I am sure that Impeachment would not work, as there would be no support from the left,and of course the Sentate. I do believe if the Congress had the balls to do a thorough investigation of Obama, they could easily have him arrested, along with most of his GOONS.

      • Bev

        For anyone who thinks Obama is THE problem, get a grip and open your eyes! Corporations and special interests have been controling this country more and more and more since “Reagonomics” and the start of serious de-regulation of businesses. Obama shows up at the time when the AMERICAN PEOPLE are FED UP – and wondering who, really, to blame.

        It behooves the status quo to throw us all off course and make a scapegoat out of someone like Obama. Do not fall for this common trickery! Do your research, open your eyes, and notice what the trend has been for the past 30 years – and you can see what it will continue to be – until we make some basic changes. One that needs to be made is actually regulating Big Business again. Another is de-powering special interest groups and lobbyists. Obama knew that and mentioned it during his campaign. I fear he has been bought out or threatened by these big goons and has his hands tied to fix the real problems.

        Meanwhile, the American people are sick and tired of seeing their life savings go down the drain, the 1% thrive while the rest of us wonder why we can not have food AND a roof over our heads – at the same time – and maybe a little health insurance too – and maybe a vacation every now and then.

        This democrazy is failing when it serves only the upper 1% well.
        Change will come. either the top 1% can seek to be fair about things – and agree to some fair changes – or – the bottom half will force change. It’s really that simple. And I fear the change is coming soon.


      • JTB

        I agree with you they need to be investigated but the problem with this administration is they’re so dam corrupt, I mean everything they do needs to be investigated! They can’t be trusted! They’re from one thing to the next! My God, please help get rid of this administration in the white house. Why would any honest hard working peron vote for this man? Well I guess I just answered my own question, dead people voted, some vote several times, some weren’t even citizens! Unbelievable.

    • concerned

      How can a spineless congress work up the courage to do that? Further, one can not impeach someone that is NOT even qualified to hold the office. Let’s see what the veterans march on 11/11/11 does to the mindset of these idiots.

    • ANNE

      I want to know why someone in The House of Representatives or the Senate haven’t filed Treason charges against Obama and his administration, it will take a government official to do this, private citizens have filed these charges and the courts have told them they have NO STANDING, what ever that means. I would suggest that Speaker Boehner or Eric Cantor get the backbone to file these charges. Obama is a Communist through and through and he and his followers should be put out of the White House and out of a job.

  • Rosco1776

    This country needs an enema! And I know just the Dr. to give it, Dr. Ron Paul!

    Ron Paul 2012 or BU$T !!

    • Jeryl

      He’s a good man, but the powers that be will never let him get to office or, if he does, allow him to live through it.

      • steve in AZ

        Certain defeat is no reason to avoid fighting the good fight, Jeryl.

        DONATE NOW so you can VOTE RON PAUL 2012!!!

      • DaveH

        Don’t be so defeatist, Jeryl.
        Ron Paul 2012! Let’s give this country real change, change from the ever-growing welfare state and military state to which we’ve all become too accustomed. Let’s change back to the Republic that our wise Founders gave us and shrink the Federal Behemoth back to its originally mandated Constitutional Powers and Size. Let’s get our Freedom back.
        Only Ron Paul is offering that change:

        • Old Henry

          I heard Michelle Bachmann on Chi Ka Go’s WLS this morning. She was making some good points on taxes, big govt., the economy and then she went off on Iran and how she would keep all MILITARY options on the table. Just anoter establishment Republican. War, war, war, Police the world, police the world, police the world….

          Has anyone here tried to contact this woman? I have. It’s pratically impossible to contact her campaign.

          • JeffH

            OH, I was a bigger Bachman fan awhile back but her support for the Military–industrial-congressional complex isn’t the least bit endearing. I do believe that she has some admirable qualifications(knowledge – IRS)though, but is no longer my choice for the POTUS.

        • Old Henry

          I forgot to mentoin folks, Ron Paul won the IL Republican Straw Poll!

          I received an email yesterday from the IL Republican Party. They said Dr. Paul’s internet voting carried the day for him. Romney won the “walk in vote”, but Ron Paul won the overall.

          • Christin

            Old Henry,

            Great news in IL… I did not hear about it, thanks.

            Haven’t listened to too much news lately… wonder if any news outlets mentioned this win for Ron Paul in the IL Straw poll vote…

        • alex

          yes let’s elect ron paul so he can disarm the us let iran build their bomb so they can drop the first one or two on isreal then start sending them to the us that will fix their wagon

          • Mike

            Israel can defend themselves… they’ve had nukes and an air force for decades. They can stop sucking us dry.

            Now back to the homefront…. almost missing the good ol Dubya/Dickie days, when instant obedience was ensured with a quick tasering.

          • DaveH

            You’ve got that backwards, Alex. Ron Paul is pro-second-amendment. It’s the others who want to disarm the American People. And he believes in a strong national defense. He’s just smart enough to know that Policing the World just makes more enemies for us. And let’s face it, the PTBs aren’t policing the world to make it safer for us. They’re doing it to enrich their Crony Capitalists at the rest of our expense.

          • JC

            alex says:
            November 8, 2011 at 9:59 am
            yes let’s elect ron paul so he can disarm the us let iran build their bomb so they can drop the first one or two on isreal then start sending them to the us that will fix their wagon

            Where do you get this stuff? Little voices in your head?

          • JeffH

            Alinskyite want a cracker? You just keep repeating the same thing over and over.

      • ValDM

        Thanks for expressing that opinion. I’ve long thought that Dr. Paul may be elected, but that he would never be allowed to complete his term of office. Better choose his running mate for V.P. very carefully.

        • Old Henry


          If the commie Kenyan can’t be taken out how would they get to President Paul?

          Gary Johnson as Veep.

    • 12AngryMen

      I am a huge Ron Paul fan, but he is wrong about the Muslims, not about the needless wars. Does everyone here realize that we, as a nation, have been attacked by Muslims since BEFORE for won our independence? They gave us the same reason then: It teaches it in the Koran. Jefferson had copies of the Koran printed with a foreword that he added explaining that the ridiculous teachings contained in it were actually being followed by Islamic nations oversees. He wanted the people of the US to understand what we were up against. We paid 1/3 of the GDP as tribute (bribes) to them because we had no standing army or navy. It is because of the Muslims that our founding fathers could not stick with isolationism for even a few decades before having to go oversees to kick their trash to get those pirates to back off our trader ships. Barbary Powers Conflict? anyone? No? Yeah, it’s not taught in schools these days. This is where the Marines get their anthem “from the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.”

      Also, Paul is too idealistic and often rejects progress because it is less than perfection.

      • Alex Frazier

        How about providing some source material for that.

      • JeffH

        12AngryMen, Idealistic? As in Ron Paul’s ideas of Freedom, Liberty, and a strict adherence to the Constitution? Those are the ideas I, for one, can embrace.

        It seems to me that the status quo in Washington is doing all it can through the media, as well as, policy to stifle the true ideals of our country. Labeling Ron Paul as “crazy and radical” is more propaganda to keep the American people from discovering the truth in limited government. Politicians are frightened that Citizens are listening to Ron Paul’s Freedom philosophy, that it’s registering with them as a common sense solution to the runaway train that is big government. Our Founders warned of the inherent dangers of the Federal government, if not checked, would most certainly destroy our Republic. Congressman Ron Paul’s philosophy is the antithesis to this beast, and that’s why he will be the most attacked candidate by both parties during the upcoming campaign. Citizens must stand for what they know to be right, just, and free; and to question the motives of those who say otherwise.

      • 12AngryMen

        Source material: History

        Here is a great History Lesson:

        Also, I did not say that Ron Paul’s ideals were not correct, I said he is an idealist and perfectionist. He is no more radical than the Founding fathers.

        My point is that in his position so far, he has not been extremely successful with results, because he is more of an oracle. The only way a Ron Paul Presidency works is if we have a sympathetic Congress. There are not enough jerks up for election this term or next to make that transformation possible. MAYBE by 2012, but who knows what the landscape will be like by then?

        We focus a lot on the election of the president, and rightfully so. However, even Gingrich pointed out the need for focusing on the congressional elections in order to achieve some success.

      • professor

        Last night I heard Ron Paul asked by an interviewer how he would handle Iran. Paul said that he would just try to make friends and talk with them…..

        • libertytrain

          that was only one part of his answer. Not the complete answer….

    • Old Henry

      Rosco! What a great campaign sloagan! LOL!

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Good choices for reading to open some people’s eyes. There are many in our country who are either too blind to reality or too hooked on the entitlements to see the communist train rolling down the track.

    Robert, I agree with you that as the election year progresses we will see more picketing that will evolve into riots that are staged and coordinated by Obummer and his thugs.

  • Ron

    The thing is Mr. Ringer that in your fascist mind set if you can’t suppress it it must be un american because every one should agree with the party. Reich wing politics.

    • Jeryl

      Well, Ron, Obama and his socialist cronies are just another part of the same spectrum as Hitler. Throughout history, your ilk has been willing to sacrifice millions to get your agenda in. I would say that you are light years closer to being like Hitler than Mr. Ringer could ever be.

      • JUKEBOX

        Hitler was a mass hypnotist, and Obama has managed to emulate him in a modernized fashion.

      • Maryland Freestater

        Hitler was also a SOCIALIST (“National Socialist”) and Nazism was a LOT more collectivist than people today realize. They were NOT capitalists and in fact, Hitler railed against capitalism almost as much as Stalin did…

        Obama is just a douchebag traitor.

      • Old Henry

        Socialist Cronies? You are much, much too kind Jeryl!

    • JC

      Ron says:
      November 8, 2011 at 8:40 am
      The thing is Mr. Ringer that in your fascist mind set if you can’t suppress it it must be un american because every one should agree with the party. Reich wing politics.

      Spoken like a truly brainwashed useful idiot and advocate of communism. Sinse when did our Constitution become Fascist, you simple little communist maggot?

      • denniso

        Such language from such a deep thinker! You and most other rightwingers can’t resist labeling your political opponents as ‘communists’,or in this case,’maggots’. Why can’t you people come up w/ some original thought,rather than the same old, tired terms like ‘communist’,’socialist’,or ‘marxist’??? Do you have no mental capacity to say anything else?

        Because most people,including independents and moderates and even some republicans,want to maintain a small safety net for those who fall through the huge cracks in our capitalist system,and ensure that the system treats every citizen equally and fairly,you and people like Ringer call them ‘communists’. The absurdity of this name calling and demonizing is that many of you have lived off of gov’t money in careers supported in part or totally by taxpayer money. The hypocrisy is thick.

        • JC

          Communist, maggot same thing…

          And any safety net for those who fall through the cracks should be municipally sponsored, not Federally sponsored,Kamrade.

        • JeffH

          denniso, “the absurdity of this name calling”? You hardcore liberal “commies” are all alike…with your “do as I say, not as I do” mantra! Hypocrit!

          Seek some help before you commit “sideways”!

        • DaveH

          Are you really that ignorant, Denniso, that you think the reality of your personal attacks isn’t seen by the other readers?

        • Alex Frazier

          denniso, the reason liberals are often referred to as socialists, Marxists, communists, etc., is that they emulate said philosophies in every principle and practice.

          It is common sense to know that alleged homeless people who stand by the entrance or exit of an interstate with a sign reading, “Will Work For Food,” will receive from the good will of many people. It has been documented that they make good money doing it, in fact. But it is likewise common sense to know that if the government enacted legislation forcing us to lend said people that helping hand, we would all avoid that interstate like the plague.

          Charity and philanthropy can’t be forced. You can’t legislate it any more than you can legislate morals or ethics.

          Throughout the course of my life, I’ve yet to meet someone who would tolerate a useless waif sleeping on their couch, eating their food, playing video games all night, and who wouldn’t go look for a job. I’ve seen people of Republican, Democrat, and Undecided backgrounds all react the same way. “Dude, get a job, or get out. I can’t afford to feed you.”

          But people like you expect that I should do that very thing by contributing through the forced and legalized theft of property; i.e. taxes.

          The government doesn’t exist to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, or to tend the sick. It is a good thing when the hungry ARE fed, when the naked ARE clothed, and when the sick ARE tended. But it’s not the government’s responsibility. People are responsible for themselves, and where they are unable to accomplish the task before them, charity exists to pick up the slack.

          But charity has to be voluntary, not obligatory. No one has the right to take from one to give to another. If you got your paycheck every week, and one of your coworkers who makes less demanded that you give him $30 from your check, you would tell him to get lost. If you were particularly charitable, you might concede. Once. Then you’d get annoyed at subsequent attempts. Later, you’d start to get mad. You’d start to avoid the person. Eventually, you would tell them off.

          Yet, you expect that the invisible, faceless indolent somewhere in California has a right to do that very thing to me. Just because he uses the government’s hand to reach into my pocket doesn’t make it any less him.

          I have a thorough appreciation for the ideas of philanthropy. I sympathize with those who struggle. I’ve been one myself who has struggled. But the government isn’t there to extort the rightfully earned wages of one half of the nation in order to subsidize the failure or laziness of the other half.

          You really need to get a grip and take some time to reflect on what your political views truly entail. What you advocate is legalized theft, and no amount of vain philosophy will ever justify it.

          • JeffH

            Alex, I admire your clarity and hopefully a confused someone riding the fence will get some positive perspective from your comment but I assure you that denniso isn’t that someone. History has proven that.

        • mark

          You’re right denniso, but so many on this site have swallowed whole the extremist, Austrian Economics, Milton Friedman definition of capitalism that they cannot accept the fact that capitalism has to be regulated and that the state has a proper and necessary role in our economy

          • JC

            Truly a communist low life.

    • s c

      r, thanks so much for admitting to America that you’re just another dyed-in-the-wool communist. You losers tend to telegraph your limp punches. One easy way you can tell is in the use of a certain term.
      The use of this term was started by the old farts (Lenin, Marx). They decided that whenever someone dared to act as though they were not brainwashed lemmings and part of the communist threat, they would hang a label on people. That label (word, term) is FASCIST. Every time you scummers can’t get your way, you call people FASCISTS.
      You’re out of your closet, chump. Thanks so much and don’t let that door slap your ass on the way out of the country, loser. Look at a mirror, schmuck, and try not to BARF.

    • DaveH

      So, Ron, then you think it’s okay to destroy other peoples’ property?

    • Buddy

      Ron evidently has no idea of what a real fascist is.

    • Old Henry

      Hey Ron you commie lovin’ SOB, the fleabaggers say they are upset because they spend a lot of money on colege and “corporate America” will not hire them.

      Are you aware that a head hunter set up a table near the fleabaggers on WS last week? He had TWO people that filled out apps. All the rest had excuses why they could not.

      • Alex Frazier

        lol … that’s funny.

        Just last night I took my teenage boys to the midnight release of Call of Duty. All I could think the whole time I stood in that line was that I was looking at a temporary thinning of the OWS herd, since a number of those jobless hippies would be busy playing the new video game for the next several weeks.

        • JC

          And calling for the downfall of the Corporation that provided it…hypocrites! LOL

    • JeffH

      Ron, good of you to take the time, away from your OWS protests, to get on your iphone and contribute to this discussion. I bet you really enjoy the chanting and the “kum by ah” feelings in your mommy’s basement.

      • Old Henry

        Hells Bells JeffH, I thought he was in his parent’s basement.

        I work down at the Pizza Pit, I drive an old Hyundai….

        • JeffH

          :) yer killin me :)

    • DaveH
  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    NMM in DC, Congress is gutless and will not do anything to take down our “fraud in chief”. They are too scared of the prospect for civil unrest if they attempt to remove the scumbag.

    • JC

      Remove the Federal Reserve and you cut the head off the snake.

      • Alex Frazier

        Our snake is a hydra. There’s also the Central Bank of England, the IMF, and at least one other. And this doesn’t take into account China and Japan. Even the Swiss have money printing capabilities, though they resort to that option much less than most others.

        So there are many heads to cut off.

        • JC

          Nuke the Bank for International Settlements! ;)

    • Eddie G.

      I don’t think there’d be a civil unrest if Oboy was impeached. There’d be a huge sense of relief. Oboy’s got the number of every long term incumbent congress member and their corruption. They impeach,he exposes,they lose their job. Simple. It’s the Chicago way. Anybody who believes establishment Dummycrats and RINOS are pristine believes in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. These SOB’s are all so crooked from lining their pockets for so many years that when they die they’ll have to be screwed into the ground versus burial. Look at people in Delaware for example. They all march in lockstep to the polls like sheep and automatically vote Joe Biden. They’ve done so for over 30 years and what are his accomplishments? Zero! He collects his bloated salary,dips into government coffers that are practically unknown appropriations for some dumb program,pockets the money and lives damn good. Better than his unemployed constituents of whom he could care less. Expert in foreign policy? Yes,and Chuck Schumer is an expert in the maintenance and repair of engines on the NASA Shuttles. We are so blessed thanks to such men and their accomplishments in the hallowed halls of the Senate. “Senatus Populusque Romanus”,”The Senate and the Roman People” and we know from history what happened to that saga of immoral corruption. Looks like history’s repeating itself in the USA.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Yes if Obama was removed, the economy would immediatly start improving as well as the dollar value.

        • JC

          Yes it would…but as long as we have the Federal Reserve…NOTHING is stable.

  • Monte

    Most are blissfully unaware of the inroads that have been made by the communists. Take for instance the word ‘racism’. The word was first coined by Leon Trotsky in his ‘History of the Russian Revolution’. Yet, the ideology that the term expresses is central to open borders, massive third world immigration, destruction of traditional religion, subnormal as the normal, and the degradation of our schools to indoctrination camps. Add to this the policing action of political correctness, and you have all the ingredients needed to overthrow the existing order and culture. It’s a brave new world, folks. And playing out before your very eyes.


      If people don’t believe our schools are indoctrination centers, just look at the teachers involving fourth graders in their demonstration at the Wisconsin Capitol the other day. That is reminiscent of the Hitler Youth Corps.

      • DaveH

        What else could one expect from immoral shameless Liberals than for them to use the children as their shields?

      • http://personallibertydigest fableanne

        Many of us saw this coming for decades, when Ron Reagan was elected, of which the progressives never saw coming, slowed down what we are now looking at, our founding fathers set in motion what we now are also experiencing. No surprise there.

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Be nice everyone, Ron is here to support the the 1% of the nuts that think they should have the right to dictate policy and decisions for the 99%. Ron, crawl back in your hole in Cuba!


      The Obama administration has the same Ideology as the Cuban leaders. Georgia Congresswoman (DEMOCRAT) Cynthia McKinney often goes to Cuba to confer with Castro. He is her best friend, next to Obama.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Robert don’t you ever get tired of recycling that old leftist, socialist, communist fear monger crap? Isn’t it more likely that the masses have had it with the rich stealing from them in the form of lower taxes or no taxes at all, slave labor or slave wages labor, special hand outs from their bought and paid for politicians, insider room trading from the good old boys network.

    I am sorry but there wouldn’t be any violence in these protest if the police didn’t always attack first on orders from the top to protect the ruling class. The thugs are the police not the dissenters.

    Why don’t you tell the truth for once in your life. We don’t really have a socialist model and never have. What we have is fascist model. One where corporations and the wealthy are bribing and controling government.

    • Jeryl

      What you don’t seem able to comprehend is that Obama IS the leader of the “ruling class.”

    • Angel Wannabe

      Eric, Hmmmm, musta been laid off at OWS, can’t think of any other reason your here?!

    • Ron The Marine

      Erick Bischoff, you stupid, mindless cool-aid drinking SOB! Robert Ringer hit this one on the head (as he has in all of his previous books and opinions)! As I have said many times, do you ever wonder why your backsides are sore? Just may be from all the smoke liberals and BO has blown up your tail pipe during your liberal life and during the 2008 election snow job! All you need to look at is BO’s and liberals stance on abortion. It does not matter how you frame abortion, In GODs WORD, The HOLY BIBLE, it is still murder of one the most precious gifts HE has ever given us! May GOD have mercy on BO and all other liberal abortion believers’ miserable souls (and the United States of America for ever letting this abomination see the light of day)!!! And please give me a break! Do not put Christian in the same sentence as demonic-crat with their (Liberal Mob Democrats) belief that a woman has a right to murder her unborn child (for she will not hear GOD say ” Well done good and faithful servant” unless she repents for her sins against GOD and mankind and accepts JESUS CHRIST as her LORD and SAVIOR)!

      Semper Fi, FOOL!

    • JC

      Gee Eric, you don’t think these mindless, Iphone addicted, spoiled little darlings aren’t merely upset because they are a product of a liberal school system where their self esteem was the only thing that mattered? Where no one won the game because everyone comes in first?

      Guess what! The real world keeps score.

      • sandcasstle

        I’ll toast you on that one–no truer statement has been said. Also, excellent article by Mr. Ringer. Too bad so many are still asleep and unable/unwilling to comprehend the direness of our situation.

      • Mike in MI

        JC – That’s for sure “…the real world keeps score.”
        Even more, to score you have to compete, work together and serve your side’s ahievement.
        Otherwise, you become Eric Bischoff.

    • DaveH
    • DaveH

      And that Fascist model has been enabled by the Big Government that Progressives have helped to create, Eric. You don’t really think that the Leaders of that Big Government are going to give a hoot about your Egalitarian ideals once they have complete power, do you?
      It amazes me with all that reading and thinking that you claim to have done, that you can’t grasp one simple fact of life — Big Government leads to worse economies. The facts are here:

      Experience is the Best Teacher.

    • JeffH

      Eric the red, nice of you to stop by.
      Some truth for you…

    • Alex Frazier

      Eric, if you sincerely believe that we are not functioning on a socialist model, then you are flat out ignorant. You don’t understand politics, economics, government, law, history, or anything else useful. If you did, you would say no such thing.

      At least be intelligent enough to be a know-it-all college hippie. Acknowledge that we are trending towards socialism, and then admit to embracing it. That’s what the modern hippies do. They call themselves Social Democrats, and believe that socialism is a good thing.

  • Amy Aremia

    Shamefully, the US has become an aggressive nation, spreading pertetual wars –wasting Trillions of dollars which are needed for our own nation’s welfare….TIME TO STOP THE WARS.

    And it is time for a complete change in the 2012 coming elections; each Congressional District must make a concerted effort to find true patriots who will return to the laws of the Constitution to rule– that document made the United States a great nation respected by the world….

    • Jeryl

      Well said, Amy.

    • Buddy

      You certainly have that correct, Amy.

    • alex

      maybe you should study history( if you can still find a true history) and just see which party was in charge when most of these wars were started you will find the majorty were started when a democrap was in charge

      • Mike in MI

        Yeah, or a RINO vassal of the eastern elites.

    • Alex Frazier

      Amen Miss Amy!

  • Jeryl

    I’m glad to see that someone of note finally had the backbone to admit the strong possibility of martial law and suspended elections. And, the far left has the wherewithal to cause the riots that will result in martial law. I hope and pray that it does not happen, but I rather expect it will if Obama is losing the election.

    • Ted Crawford

      It would seem to me that is exactly what Obama and company are doing with the over indulged, under achieving, petulant children that started and have lost the OWS crowd, SEIU, the old Acorn, and George Soros now own the OWS movement!

      • JUKEBOX

        Those dumb masses you speak of are participating in “OCCUPY WALL STREET” throughout our country, and are planing to continue until they are eligible for Medicare. Soros and Obama have their fingerprints all over this disgrace. If they were really sincere, they would be occupying the White House lawn, and the park across Pennsylvania Ave.

  • 4-just_us

    Ron Paul is my answer.

  • Sharon

    We need candidate to challenge BO’s elgibility to run in 2012..Make sure he is a 1 term prez.. I thonk a team of Newt/Cain could beat him if no one challenges his elgibility. Has enyone heard of Laurie Roth? She sounds almost perfect..We need to get the Fraud, Corruption, etc. out of our Government..

    • DaveH

      Maybe Newt/Cain could beat Obama, but so what? They would give us more of the same Big Government that enabled Obama’s crowd to achieve their destruction of America. How would that benefit us?

    • bobby

      Sharon, With Newt/cain in charge of the white house, they would have to be surrounded by UGLY females to keep their mines on the job at hand.
      Ron Paul could do the job just right

  • sean murrey ILLIniois

    most of these loafers are afraid thier days of living off the others will come to the end when obummer gets kicked out of office.

    • OB1

      Why do you think there is a media black out on Ron Paul? Both parties are blocking him. Why? Because he wants to audit he Federal Reserve and work toward dismantling it. He has struck at the head of the snake. Next time you see one of those “don’t tread on me” yellow snake flags or decals, remember WHO wants to kill that thing. Non of them, Rep or Dem, Media, elites, central banksters ANY OF THEM including the Un-United Nations, goes after him or better yet, takes his video clips out of context (really popular right now), or makes him invisible, erases his polling number from their websites, etc. REMEMBER this: Dr. Ron Paul has been the canary in the coal mine for over 25 years! Ronald Reagan called him one of the only true conservatives!

  • Joyceann

    Most Americans know they rule America. If this President stops the elections to oust him and his corrupt Congress, we will not allow it.
    We will bring revolution and election and remove those squatters in our White House. We are many and we are so tired of wrong.

    • Alex Frazier

      I won’t lie … the law has been perverted so that a true patriot will be considered a criminal. But as far as I’m concerned, if they declare martial law and suspend elections, I have every intention of taking up arms. The first group I can find that is heading for Washington will have one more body to fire a weapon at the traitors responsible for usurping the government from the people.

  • JC

    A very astute American Patriot has taken the time to point out and compare just how we are, and have been following Communist policy for a long time now. Read on:

    Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it’s clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists.

    Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists.

    Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!!

    The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are…

    1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

    Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State “income” taxes. We call it “paying your fair share”.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public “law” 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of “terrorists” and those who speak out or write against the “government” (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc…).

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

    6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.

    Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver’s licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read “controlled or subsidized” rather than “owned”… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

    8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two “income” family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920′s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

    Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public “law” 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

    Americans are being taxed to support what we call ‘public’ schools, but are actually “government force-tax-funded schools ” Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based “Education” . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like “majority rules”, and “pay your fair share”. WHERE are the words “fair share” in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is “fair share” even suggested !! The philosophical concept of “fair share” comes from the Communist maxim, “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. … America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC … Teaching ourselves and others how to “fish” to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be “needy”… Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

    Just remember folks…the reasons our Military is “over there” to bring them Freedom and Democracy…yeah sure.

    • DaveH

      You would think that most people would wonder “Why are our soldiers trying to secure Freedom for people outside of our country while at the same time we who are inside are losing ours?”. That should be an eye-opener to anybody who has any kind of cognitive powers at all.

    • 45caliber


      “Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels”

      When Clinton came out with their new health care plan, it was noticed that there was a clause in it that allowed the government to confiscate all property and money owned by anyone who violated any clause of the program “to pay for its enforcement”.

      There were also two clauses in the program that conterdicted each other. If you obeyed one, you automatically broke the other. It was pointed out to him by several Congressmen.

      His reply? “Yes, I know it’s in that way! We need it to be able to stop anyone who might cause the government trouble! Once all the possessions of someone are taken, they are helpless to cause us trouble. And if you revise any of this program, I will veto it if those three clauses are not a part of it!”

      I’ve wondered if those three are in Oblamacare. So far I’ve not found them …

      • JC

        Adds to the Communism in America aspect. Good point.

    • Alex Frazier

      Excellent post, JC. Some of it might be a bit of a stretch, but a lot of it is on target.

  • Matt

    To Ron,

    Brainwashed moronic sheep like yourself absolutely deserve a full taste of socialism and everything it has to offer. Unlike you, I know what I am talking about. I grew up in the Soviet Union. Obama and his goons are a typical socialist gang and if they prevail, morons like you will be used as collective farm labor. America has been much to complacent for too long and may have to pay a heavy price for turning itself into a welfare state.

    • Monte

      Matt, as a past citizen of the Soviet Union, we would probably all be very interested in your observations of the events playing out here. Does most of what you are witnessing appear familiar to you?

      • Alex Frazier

        Monte, I’ve known several people from the former Soviet Union, and they all marvel at the fact that we are going like sheep to the slaughter down the path to communism.

        What I always find amazing is that it was barely twenty or so years ago that communism was such an anathema concept to Americans that many movies surrounded the idea of it. People have forgotten that the Berlin Wall is the result of communism. The “Iron Curtain” is communism. There were movies like Rocky IV, depicting the oppression of communism. The 80s was MTV, the Rubix Cube, and Us Against Them.

        And now people seem to think that the thing we despised most as Americans is the very thing we should embrace.


        • Mike in MI

          Alex – “Dumbfounding.”
          No, not at all. Think about it. Just what would you expect of a nation that has a “health” system that drugs a huge percentage of its people into complacency, apathy, and in many ways effects a dull-minded, stuporous state in the populace? Also, by a multitude of “Public Health” edicts it makes them sick or enslaves most of them to medical services which have been made so expensive the services can’t be purchased without government or communal finance companies’ help. Mind control is easy when one of the most potent fears people face is to lose their HEALTH INSURANCE. (Look who moves it – government and unions.)

  • DaveH
  • Ted Crawford

    I recalled while reading the artical that Saul Alinsky repeated the idea of constant revolution in his book. I remember because he made that statement just a few paragraphs after, if memory serves, calling himself an optimist. It seemed to me everything else he said should be taken in light of that delusional comment!
    as to the suspention of the Election, it seems to me that Obama, just shortly after taking office signed an Execuative Order- EO-13524. If I understand the order correctly it seems to give him full command of all NATO forces on American soil. He might have had serious trouble convincing U.S. troops to fire on Americans, mayby easier to convince these guys!

    • DaveH

      That was a tactic used by the USSR to control their impoverished people. Troops would be sorted out and stationed far from their homes because the Leaders knew that they would be more likely to obey orders and fire on the citizens if they weren’t their friends and neighbors.

      • JC

        Ergo: Any soldier on American soil who fires on Americans is not an American and is thereby…fair game.

        • Alex Frazier

          Amen brother! If a soldier takes up arms against American citizens, when he has sworn to protect this country from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC, then that soldier is a traitor, and I will treat him as an invader. If they can shoot Americans, then Americans can shoot them back.

    • 45caliber


      When CLinton was in office, they gave a questionare to all soldiers and police. One question: Would you fire upon citizens of the US who were rioting and you were ordered to do so?

      So many said “NO” that they decided that was a waste of time. It didn’t matter if they were clear across the country from their homes, the answer was still NO. Clinton tried to bring in 100,000 Chinese police from Hong Kong to place all over the US in major cities with the idea that if ordered, they would shoot – and the rest of the police would be forced to shoot in self defense. I don’t think he managed that although he tried.

    • duck

      I don’t know about that.. I remember Kent State, Ruby Ridge, and Waco to name just a few.

  • JC

    “Do I believe every person in these rowdy mobs is consciously involved in a communist revolution? No, of course not. A majority of them, in fact, are probably nothing more than “useful idiots” who are hopelessly addicted to the idea of less and less work coupled with more and more entitlements. I doubt they realize that the system they long to see implemented is communism — or ultimately leads to communism.”

    A further analogy of Occupy Wall Street and why they have no idea what it is they are protesting:

  • rosina

    try as you may, you will never convince so many of the sheeple that Communism IS the threat. They prefer to blame everything on the rich just as the Bummer blames everything on Bush. Always someone else’s fault.
    It is so sad to think that after years of a COld War Communism was NOT defeated after all. It has been alive and well in this country without most of us noticing. It is alive and well in the EU which most people over there call the EUSSR with good reason. Only the so-called elites in charge and you better do as you are told.
    What a sad, sad world it has become.
    I forsee another World War coming fairly soon. Just hope I will be long gone when it does.

    • Monte

      Rosina, as Robert pointed out the entire system is collapsing. The welfare state, socialism, has proven itself unsustainable and countries across the globe are bankrupted. In the coming death throes, I also see a war. I also see an era of great social upheavals as the parasite class will have to fend for themselves. Call me a pessimist; I say, call me a realist.

    • 45caliber


      How can you blame the communists for all the problems! Everyone knows the rich are the real problem! (And don’t look behind the curtain – ah – the IRS returns to see that the ones telling you this ARE the rich!) Just ask any communist who the real problem is. THey will ALL tell you the rich are the problem! Don’t you believe them? All the sheeple do!

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      The people in the EU say what? You seriously need to have your meds changed

  • hipshotpercusion

    I am a peace loving American. I, like 90 million others in this country own firearms and know how to you them. I consider myself to be a 3%er, and will not be lead into a Concentration Camp. “I would rather die standing on my feet, then live my life on my knees.” To those who would subvert what my country stands for and try to enslave us, I say…”BEWARE!”

    • 45caliber


      You won’t see a real war start here until the government can use gun control to collect all the guns. They know as well as you and I do that there are too many of us out here who will object to enslavement. But it will come sooner or later.

      • Alex Frazier

        That’s why the time to resist is when they come for your guns, not when they come for you after you’ve been disarmed.

        The Nazis disarmed the Jews. THEN they came and enslaved them. If the Night of the Broken Glass had taken place while the Jews were still armed, the events that followed, including the holocaust, might have turned out significantly different.

    • ghop

      Hipshot, I’m right there with you. There may be another revolution coming. Keep your powder dry.

    • Lost in Paradise

      I’m with you on that one HipShot.

  • Ralph Eggen

    Why not elect Nancy Pelosi and let her guarantee us 99 years of unemployment pay upgraded of course to a livable wage and then we can call Nirvana our home forever after. Unionized teachers are our educators and socialists our government.

  • theodorej

    Thanks Robert ….. I cannot dispell your assessments,however,I can say that there will be a point when the OWS movement will have to be addressed and I see this as sooner not later… Civil disobedience is one thing but anarchy is something else….If there is a cancellation of a national election the democratic process will be over and it will get very ugly very quickly…. A carefull analysis of the situation would come down to the survival of the fitest and Iam not so sure the communist take over could maintain control for very long simply because we are a people that have been used to being free… what the survivors will ultimately realize is that our un alienable rights come from God… They will go before him in prayer and he will heal their land….

  • DaveH

    One thing not mentioned by Robert (maybe implied though) is that the Leaders don’t really care about the Proletariat, they care about themselves. That’s why they’re willing to sacrifice the country’s economy to buy votes from ignorant voters and stay in office. For an example of that we need look no further than Cuba, less than 100 miles off our coast. Surely after 50 years the Leaders would have figured out that Communism doesn’t work (and they probably know that), but why should they care when they have Power and so much more than the common citizen?
    We are being taken to the cleaners by the 1%, but it’s not the 1% that most people blame:

    • denniso

      I’ve almost assumed that at you at least were smart enough to not use tiny,abberational,Cuba as an example in any discussion…no?

      • DaveH

        As I said, it’s right off our shores. But we don’t need to point to Cuba. There’s the USSR, China (before they started embracing Capitalism), North Korea, Zimbabwe …..
        I would think you’d be smart enough, Denniso, not to make such an ignorant statement.

      • DaveH

        For the enjoyment of those, like Denniso, who don’t have a clue what Socialism brings. North Korea at night:

  • Bob

    The public believe that the communism died 20 years ago. How convenient. it didn’t go anywhere anywhere. The Cold War never anded and the West actually lost. When people get it it will be to late. I strongly recommend to read the book “And Reality Be Damned…”

  • VT Patriot

    One of the biggest problems that I’ve seen for years, is that the constitutional conservatives shch as I have walked around with a hood over our eyes believing that “this can’t happen in America”. Well folks, it is happening. There is a very strong (and underground) movement afoot to destroy our economy, life style and freedoms. Like ‘how to boil a frog’, slowly increase the heat, he doesn’t know it’s happening, then you have a well done frog. Wake up folks, it’s for real. Thanks Robert for a well written article.

  • hipshotpercusion

    Sorry…Should have read “Know how to use them.”

  • http://WeThePeople Jean

    Twas the night before elections,
    And all thru’ the town,
    Tempers were flaring
    Emotions ran up and down.

    I, in my bathrobe
    With a cat in my lap,
    Had shut off the TV,
    tired of political crap.

    When all of a sudden,
    There arose such a noise,
    I peered out my window,
    Saw Obama and his boys

    They had come for my wallet,
    They wanted my pay
    To hand out to others
    Who had not worked a day!

    He snatched up my money,
    And quick as a wink,
    Jumped back on his bandwagon
    As I gagged from the stink.

    He then rallied his henchmen
    Who were pulling his cart.
    I could tell they were out
    To tear my country apart!

    On Fannie, on Freddie,
    On Biden and Ayers!
    On Acorn, on Pelosi’
    He screamed at the pairs!

    They took off for his cause,
    And as they flew out of sight,
    I heard him laugh at a nation
    Who wouldn’t stand up and fight!
    So I leave you to think
    On this one final note…

    • 45caliber

      Good one!

    • JeffH

      Jean, thank you!

  • Joe

    If this next election cycle doesn’t yield positive results then the time may be near where “we the mighty couch dwelling complainers” will have to march on Washington and physically take back our country from the trough feeding politicals. The only problem will be who will take their place and how will we keep them accountable?

    • Buddy

      That probably won’t be a problem when nullification of “DC” edicts are implemented.

      Does it make any sense for 300,000,000 people to be ruled by a gang in Washington, D.C.?

  • Joe

    Do you think you are up for that?

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      The true Tea party revolution, I’ve seen you and most of you couldnt walk up a flight of stairs. All we have to do is ban the sale of trousers with elastic waist bands you be bared assed and then you would blame immigrants or something. However if you want to arm yourself and launch an attack on washington The republican lemming army like waddling zombie saying ME, ME, Me.I would love to watch you try though cos you’d all be dead in 3 mins and the country would instantly be a kinder, more intelligent and wealthier place. just the Liberalitarian perspective

  • Skyraider6

    There are still enough veterans that fought communism, to fight it again.

    • Alex

      You mean the veterans who got their baby-killing imperialist butts kicked in Vietnam?

      • JC

        Is that you Hanoi Jane?

      • ValDM

        No, Alex.
        HE’S talking about veterans………..YOU’RE talking about your sister & daughter who use abortion as birth control. Baby-killers, indeed.

        • Alex


          • OB1

            Alex…say whaaaaaat? Where the f((* are you coming from dude or dudette?????? Paid for this? Troll? Really want the facts or the REAL story? I don’t think so. Stay home and play with your dolls or toys….

  • Patriotic nut

    This article and recent events lead me to believe that it may be to late to save our nation from the downfall that is inevitable once we become socialist. When it happens there will be poverty and hunger like none here can imagine. The only hope that we have is that there are enough true patriots to pick up the pieces afterward and rebuild our country for the generations to come. There are still people now that could do it but will there be when this is over???? Educate yourselves on how we became a great nation because we will have to repeat the process once again to survive, starting from almost nothing we will have to be just like the pioneers of history, living off the land and building from basics. Scary isn’t it…

  • Alex

    No wonder your Fright Wing colleague blurted a disclaimer when you mentioned President Barack Obama in the same sentence as Mao Zedong and Hitler—evn he knew that the name that best matches up with Hitler and Mao is Ronald Reagan.

    • JC

      Truly a twisted statement from a twisted liberal mind.

  • 45caliber

    It isn’t mud slinging if you lie about your opponent. A lie is easy to refute. It becomes mud slinging – or fecal slinging if you prefer – if you start telling the TRUTH about him. Truth is a lot harder to refute and simply isn’t fair to use.

  • ghop

    When the OWS protests began to spred nation wide,I had in the back of my mind that our imposter in chief could use this as an excuse to declare martial law. By doing so, he could suspend the elections and confiscate every law-abiding citizen’s firearms. With the people disarmed, it would make it much easier to take over and turn this country into a socialist republik. For the last century there has been a slow but steady assault on our Constitution. We need to elect someone who will honor the Constitution and make this county great again. This country cannot survive 4 more years of Obumbler.

    • VIC

      Can you please explain martial law – how can ONE person declare that there won’t be an election? How can ONE person control 300,000,000 or so people and live through it. And, no one is going to take my guns – they might get a few bullets, but that’s it.

    • mark

      This is just more of the same-old-same-old, paranoid, right-wing fantasy that people have been spouting for 3 years that never comes true, though this never ends the enthusiasm for it. The FEMA death camps, Obama’s secret army, the gov’t taking away everyone’s guns, the killing the elderly, Obama cancelling elections and suspending the Constitution. All total lies. Total lies that are spouted each and everyday. And will continue to be each and every day right up until January 20, 2017 when Obama peacefully leaves office and Hilary Clinton takes the inaugural oath.

      • JC

        Other than the fact that there is a plethora of evidence out there to support those “fantasies” you make a perfectly good point…about how pathetically unaware of real events liberals are that is…
        Please…PLEASE…don’t do anything to prepare yourself or your family for the eventuality that these fantasies…become reality. ;)

  • Joe

    You would have veterans pick up the fight? I am talking to YOU. YOU will have to fight, not your neighbor, your uncle, your friend, but you yourself. If you aren’t up to it then quit complaining. The fight right now is to get out the vote and get your friends to open their eyes and their mouths before we are all forced to open our ammo cans.

    • 45caliber


  • Change?

    How hard is it to eliminate the vermin-slinging filth from the white house? Pretty difficult considering trailer trash enjoys things given to them and others supporting them, i.e., all occupants of our federal and state government in addition to the MSM.

    People keep voting for the same old boils because it’s easier to vote for an incumbent than to research new candidants. I tend to agree with you, Robert, that Hitler Jr’s. (Obama)boil has been festering and will explode near the election. Obama has mentioned several times in his speeches in foreign countries the ‘New World Order’, but I’ve never heard him mention it to the American people.

    If the current occupiers in D.C., aka, politicians, is all that America has to offer, then this country is doomed and has been for several years. When one throws fecal matter, all one can expect is a big splatter. When one votes for or listens to fecal matter all one can expect is a huge sespool of s#%t occupying D.C. and the MSM. We need to clean house regardless of the consequential stench we’ll suffer.

    I smelled a ‘RAT’ during Obama’s earlier compaigning for president, and that rat needs a bath because it’s beginning to smell badly. Coupled with Janet Napolitano, Eric Holder, and the rest of the welfare recipients in D.C., I’m beginning to understand Al Gore’s theory on global warming and where it’s actually coming from. Trash heaped upon trash releases a toxic, gaseous odor and it can become pretty hot when touched by the wrong person or turned over. In other words, those poisons in D.C. are worse than Hitler and Mao and they’ll do anything to continue occupying their present positions. They aren’t wolves in sheep’s clothing. They’re sneaky, smiling ‘devils’ with one hand in your back pocket while the other hand is offering an innocent child some poisoned candy. Practically everyone has been that innocent child and it’s now time to grow up and realize what they’re feeding you will eventually kill you, which is their goal.

    End the federal reserve system and let the people vote on important issues. It’s not the job of the federal government to make rules and laws that denigrate people’s lives. The governemnt is paid to abide by the Constitution so that everyone can enhance their lives to eventually live the American dream. One solution is to just say “NO” and continue rebeling against any and all laws that do not benefit the people. Our ancestors did not build this country to benefit fat, bloated bastions of evilness, which is exactly what D.C. has become.

    • 45caliber

      When Oblama took office, the Demos and the White House celebrated because they would never again be out of power. Now, why would they believe that if the people continued to vote for officers?

      There is only one reason I can thing of: they don’t intend to turn the government over to the GOP or anyone else the people might elect …

      • mark

        Right that it why the Obama administration and the Democrats refused allow the Republicans to take control of the House of Representatives in Jan. 2011 after the November 2010 election that the Republicans won. Nancy Pelosi is still Speaker of the House. Obama overturned the will of the people and overturned the Constitution then too just as he will in 2012. And of course he imprisoned and executed the former House minority leader John Boehner to prevent him from becoming Speaker of the House. More solid proof, 45caliber, that you are right about the utter ruthlessness of the Democrats and their absolute refusal to abide by elections or the will of the people.

  • Buddy

    Ringer says, “Anything goes, because the communists’ noble end justifies any means”.

    The really alarming thing about that observation is that the means tend to become ends in themselves!

  • Glen Xx

    I don’t think much of the ows group, but what is real stupid is the

    media coverage. The talk show and Personal Liberty Digest should can this story.

  • FreedomFighter

    Excellent read Mr Ringer, I might add:

    Communism the state is God/Lucifer. The great lie of communism brings hell on earth.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • denniso

      Do you even know that there is almost no communism left? China is a command capitalist country. Cuba is so small it doesn’t count. Venezuela is more socialist than communist. You people are like little kids crying ‘wolf’,when there are no wolves around. You want a ‘pure’ capitalistic,’free’ market economy? Go back to the days of the robber barons and the huge oil monopolies and see how well that worked. Read a little actual history and become educated about our past so you can make reasonably intelligent judgements about the future.

      • 45caliber


        Keep it up! You might even get someone to believe that if you keep telling it! That’s the thing about a BIG LIE. If you repeat it enough someone might believe.

      • DaveH

        As usual, Denniso supplants fact with personal attacks. All anybody with a brain needs to do is to see the results of Big Government in countries around the world. This is actual experience not Hoping and Dreaming like the Denniso-style Liberals engage in:

        Look at the countries at the bottom of the list, the ones with the Biggest Governments. See what people like Denniso want for us.

        • DaveH

          Take Venezuela, for instance. If it weren’t for their oil exports their citizens would be eating doggy biscuits for dinner:

          • DaveH

            Population below poverty line — 28%
            Unemployment — 12.1%
            GDP — $345 Billion
            Total Population — 27.6 Million
            GDP per capita — $12,500

        • mark

          But this just isn’t true even your own cited Heritage Foundation source (gee, you don’t think these guys might fudge a few figures) shows it. Lot of countries with big central governments, lot of government spending, and single gov’t-payer health care do fine: Canada, Switzerland, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Australia. They are certainly doing much better than the countries at the bottom of the list. And don’t forget we are in the middle of a global recession, so all countries are struggling now despite their relative prosperity to others.

          • DaveH

            Mark says “They [Canada, Switzerland, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Australia] are certainly doing much better than the countries at the bottom of the list”.
            Your cognitive powers are awesome, Mark. That was my point — the Bigger Government gets, the Smaller the economy gets.
            Do you understand the phrase “in spite of”, Mark? Some countries do okay in spite of Big Government. That doesn’t mean Big Government is a good thing.
            A wife who only gets beat once a month certainly is better off than a wife who gets beat once a week. But does that make wife-beating into a good thing?

          • mark

            Yes but the big gov’t in the case of the countries I mentioned actually helps improve the quality of life for their citizens – and their GINI factor. So the wife beating analogy you use is a poor one. A better analogy is: which is better to live in a country with lots of gov’t programs that provide a better quality of life or live in a country with few gov’t programs that provide a lesser quality of life (in terms of life expectancy, cancer rates, violence rates, access to health care, exposure to cultural experiences, etc.)

          • DaveH

            I wouldn’t expect you to get it, Mark.
            Where do you think they get the money to do all those Noble things? They take it from somebody else, and that somebody else may have been struggling themselves before your do-gooders helped themselves to that somebody’s money. I know that from personal experience.
            As far as my wife-beating example goes, I tried to dumb down my explanation so that even a Liberal could get what I’m saying about cause and effect. Obviously, in your case, I didn’t dumb it down enough.

      • DaveH

        History, Denniso?
        If you read any real History, you would know that the “Robber Barons” brought cheap goods to the economy so that the common man could afford things that only kings and queens could before. Then the Crony Capitalists did what they do best, squashed their competitors (the “Robber Barons”) with laws and regulations via Big Government. The Politicians won, the Crony Capitalists won, and the people lost.
        Until one of the “Robber Barons” (Rockefeller) used the efficiency of vertical integration to provide cheap kerosene to the masses, they were using whale oil to light their lanterns. Imagine that. He provided cheap fuel and saved the whales. Do you suppose the Green Liberals would ever mention that reality? Nah. Why in the world would they want to be honest?

  • Karolyn
    • DaveH

      Very Good, Karolyn. I didn’t know you had it in you.

      • Karolyn

        I liked the article, Dave, because it is pretty objective, which is hard to come by these days.

    • JeffH

      Karolyn, I’ll tip my hat to you for posting this link. Excellant perspective by the author of the article. I’ve bookmarked it for the future. Thanks.

  • simian pete

    Mr. Tortoise,

    1) Many of these demonstrators want to see an end to the unconstitutional Federal Reserve Bank.

    2)Many of the demonstrators are against “crony capitalism”, “to big to fail” and “TARP” …

    Back in 2008, the “financial crisis” right before the election – when Congress gave billions to their Wall Street political “contributors”. I understand that politicians want to be re-elected, so they favor their benefactors – But Wall Street went “socialist” and stole all that money from the American taxpayer. Thay should have stuck to their capitalistic philosophy, and allowed failure.

    Derivative be damned – I don’t know all the details !- Correct me if I’m wrong, (and I’ve been wrong many times) . The Bankers are trying to get the taxpayers money again, in Europe and the USA, because of those bad Derivative investments ? Tax slavery by supposed capitalist ?

    Good article, Mr. Ringer. It seems the demonstrators are now being co-opted by the commies …..

  • Dagger

    One of the basic creeds of Communism is to redistribute and spread the wealth around. This is the very thing Obama used as a plank in his election campaign in 2008. Amazingly, the perverted media did not make the connection. This leads to a very important question: Is there a conspiracy between Obama, the Democrats and the nation’s media to never report anything negative or derogatory about Obama’s real agenda? Why aren’t the Republicans pointing all this out? I believe this nation(United Socialist States of America) is beyond the point of no return and will NEVER be the great nation it once was. America’s greatness is now behind it and can only slide downhill from here. All great nations and societies eventually become engrossed in graft, corruption and evilness of every kind before the fell and America is following the same path to a great fall.

    • mark

      Thank God! I, too, hope that this country will NEVER be the great nation it once was – slave-holding, Indian-murdering, racist, expansionistic, militarist, gun-crazy, homophobic, women-hating, ignorant, and chauvinistic. Thank goodness, we are making some progress. But this website isn’t helping much. Still I guess even trogolodytes need to have a voice somewhere, and place they can hang their hat and call home.

      • JC

        Gotta love a Liberal…they see absolutely the worst side of everything. Hey misery boy…what about all our major accomplishments? Medical breakthroughs? Advances in technology?

        Sure, like any nation we’ve had our growing pains, but we’re a young nation aren’t we? So while we continue to build the greatest FREE nation in the history of the planet…why don’t you go back to one handed internet surfing? ;)

        • mark

          No, I agree with you: we have made progress. And technology is certainly a part of it. Especially all that weapons technology for fighting our never-ending wars against non-Christian people of color in the Third World. But more broadly, you’recorrect: our consumer and medical technology has bettered all our lives and millions of lives around the globe. But many of the contributors to this site want to go back to 1950s America as a kind of golden age of freedom. They either forget or prefer the fact that back then African Americans, Mexican-Americans, and American Indians were largely segregated and denied basic rights, that women in this era were subordinated and denied many opportunities. That the all-white police had a monopoly of power in the 1950s over suspects especially those of color. I don’t see 1950s America as a golden age of freedom and national greatness that we should all yearn to return to. Although, I know many on this site do. They prefer those days when the White Christian man was king in the United States. I prefer our more diversified society today where the rights of others are better respected.

          • JC

            I pledge allegiance to the Flag
            of the United States of America,
            and to the Republic for which it stands:
            one Nation under God, indivisible,
            With Liberty and Justice for all.

            That base is already covered.

  • Joe

    I first read Skousen’s “The Naked Communist” in 1968. It wa in the High School library. Nearly all of the Communist goals have been achieved:

    4.Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
    5.Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
    6.Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
    7.Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

    • mark

      Yes except for the fact that the Chinese now have a capitalist economy. The Soviet Union now longer exists and even Russia, with one half the population of the former U.S.S.R., is no longer controlled by the Communist party and has a capitalist economy. Also all the nations of Eastern Europe and the Baltic States that were formerly communists dictatorships are now free democracies that practice capitalism. Yes, except for these few “minor” exceptions, all the paranoid fears and predictions of that book came true. In other words, it is a total John Birch Society crock of you-know-what. But keep reading it, I’m sure it gives you great comfort.

  • Lost in Paradise

    It seems to me that most of you are going to sit and do nothing to stop this madness. You will basically accept anything that comes your way, as you are too scared to save yourselves from what is coming.

    • hitthedeck

      Not me (Lost) I’m locked and cocked and ready for the S.O.B.’s

  • hitthedeck

    When the progressives got control of our education system starting in the late seventies, they intentionally took out all the facts about communism that was in our history and social studies text books. The youth of today have not idea what communism is. The Marxists that are in these OWS crowds are planting seeds of revolution with the promise of greener pastures. History has always showed communism restricted freedom to its mass. The only place communism has ever worked as a successful system was in the Kibbutz’s of Israel where the system was established as a method of security and survival. After security was established in Israel and trade was established the system was discarded.

  • James

    The election is a year away, let’s cool it for 10 or 11 months. Also, there is no provision in the Constitution for the popular election of the president and vice-president. They ae selected by the Electoral College.

    • hitthedeck

      Will the Obama administration start a war as a means to retain power and guarantee reelection? It is likely that a sitting president is reelected in a time of war.

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    Just pretend I’m making a comment and hate me for whatever thoughts you happen to have in your head at this time and you will probably be right about it.

  • hitthedeck

    It boggles the mine to think that the protesters would use the freedoms we have to impose a system that would take those freedoms away and silence them forever. The fools are like sheep being led to slaughter. Once under the banner of communism they will have no voice and will live under an iron hand that will hold them into submission.

  • Richard Evans

    Wow, not to many comments on here that even remotely make sense seems to me the majority of comments are from tea party wackos who do not know any facts or history on just about any thing. If and God forbid you wing nuts actually got your way you and the 99% would be wage slaves worse than even now. This is just absolutely insane the way most on here think, if you can even call it thinking I call it insanity.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Richard, then make like a tree and leave! :P

      • JeffH

        :) …too funny!

    • JC

      Richard Evans says:
      November 8, 2011 at 10:47 am
      “Wow, not to many comments on here that even remotely make sense seems to me…”

      Sounds like a personal problem. Do some research, find out what’s going on. Then maybe you will understand.

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    I’m NOT talking to Ringer.

  • Rosebud

    If a racist is a person that wants to preserve their civilized culture, their heritage, their faith, their language, then you may call me a racist, so be it. Being politically correct is why this country is in the condition it is today. We’ve lost our freedom of speech. We have become a socialist/communistic existence.

    While I do not wish ill will on any people, the Bible told us to not intermingle, or intermarry, but because of ungodly liberalism, our people have.

    A nation is defined by a culture, a language, faith, heritage. America is a white European Christian nation OR it was founded as such. Because of multiculturalism, which has been used as a weapon, as deadly as a gun…this is why the country is in turmoil. We have become a pagan, humanist Babylonian society. The enemy within has opened our gates to peoples that we have nothing in common.

    The Bible told us to NOT become a part of the world, but the enemy within brought the world to us, via immigration. God warned us there will be those that want to steal our birthright, wealth. The enemy within, as we speak, are stealing our birthright, by redistribution of our wealth throughout the world. The enemy within want to kill the creativity of our people.

    I’m tired of political correctness…a poison that is killing our country.

    The only way this country will turn around is for people to turn back to God’s Word. 2Chronicles 7:14

    • Monte

      Amen, Rosebud.

    • JC

      According to the Liberal spin machine…Truth, is the new hate speech.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68



    There recently was an article in the St. Petersburg , Fl.

    Times. The Business Section asked readers for ideas on: “How Would You

    Fix the Economy?” I think this guy nailed it!


    Mr. President,

    Please find below my suggestion for

    fixing America ‘s economy. Instead of giving billions of dollars to

    companies that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned

    bonuses, use the following plan.

    You can call it the

    “Patriotic Retirement Plan”:

    There are about 40

    million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them $1 million apiece

    severance for early retirement with the following


    1) They MUST retire. Forty million

    job openings – Unemployment fixed.

    2) They MUST

    buy a new AMERICAN Car. Forty million cars ordered – Auto Industry


    3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off

    their mortgage – Housing Crisis fixed.

    It can’t

    get any easier than that!!

    P.S. If more money is

    needed, have all members in Congress pay their


    Mr. President, while you’re at it, make

    Congress retire on Social Security and Medicare. I’ll bet both programs

    would be fixed pronto!

    If you think this would

    work, please forward to everyone you know.


    not, please


    • Franktruth

      To: SMSgt Z retired Nam 68
      Let’s do the math on that suggestion 40 million (4 x 10 to the 7th power) x 1 million dollars (10 to the 6th power) = 4 x 10 to the 13th power dollars. Let’s see a billion is 10 to the 9th power, a trillion is 10 to the 12 power so the price tag on this is 40 trillion dollars. Now I’m not a mathematician so I may have figured this incorrectly. But I think even the FED’s power to create money out of thin air is not up to dumping $40 trillion into an unfunded immediate draw.
      However, I’ve read the estimate for continuing Social Security as it is shows a $60 trillion shortfall (in 2040?) from what will be paid in compared to what will be paid out given a mean life expectancy of 70+ years and a slowing population growth according to current actuary tables.

  • Howard R Gray

    Ignorance is the essential plank within the revolutionary movement of the left. History is definitely against them, they have no examples they can point to of any successful societies based on the principles they espouse. The long March through the institutions has placed them in command of much of the Academy, news media, and much of corporate life. The problem they have is that they are rather like dogs chasing cars, when a dog catches up with the car he has no idea what to do next, by the same token once the revolution is over these people have no idea what to do, nothing works nor was it ever work.

    Permanent revolution is a philosophy of desperation, the principles of communism, once accepted by many as OK in theory, and has objectively failed. We now know for certain why it fails which is a big improvement ideologically, the battle is largely educational. Vast numbers of University children still don’t understand how the world works nor are they able to correct the absurd teachings that are dished out to them by their tenured supposed teachers. So long as there are cohorts of fools and useful idiots they will find themselves pushed up against the barricades to have their heads broken and blood spilled for the cause of communism.

    The Occupy Wall Street movement is shaping up to be a publicity spectacle with the useful idiots being used as cannon fodder creating publicity to persuade middle ground voters that more socialism is the remedy. The weak point for those of us who oppose this business is simply informational; there is a clear need to continue what we do with the Tea Party to persuade ever larger numbers of people about what the truth is and why the great socialist experiment is not the solution.

    The attacks on Herman Cain are clearly designed to prevent him succeeding. Is very unlikely that any of the allegations are substantive, they don’t need to be, the attacks are all about preventing Herman Cain from becoming president. If that were to happen, Herman Cain being president, that would probably be the end of the Democratic push for communism. Imagine, a black president following a failed president. This is something the Democrat party must not permit to happen. If Herman Cain survives these attacks and becomes president then we will know that the left-wing project is over. What we are seeing is a social assassination of a political opponent.

    Communism and socialism are functionally fundamentalist quasi-religious entities, people believe in them irrespective of what any outcomes may be by adopting such ideas. Robert Ringer is quite right about the extent and sheer menace of these ideas. The manifest differences between the current demonstrations and the Tea Party are for all to see, as the protests of the left breakdown into violence, especially just before the next election bringing on the tipping point. Publicity will be aimed at persuading the middle ground, those bereft of any serious political analytical ability, that the Democratic Party should be retained in office inclusive of the president. Soon we will find out the truth!

    Meanwhile, the Tea Party must be sustained, improved, and fully funded in preparation for the intellectual part of the battle which is where the real power resides. The left are preparing to tear down as much real estate as possible; this is all they understand, though it is very likely it will play against them, we just need to be sure that that happens. Reducing society to rubble, mental and physical, is the very best the left can offer, like the dogs refered to above, they have no plan that could possibly work to improve our society. Reworking it is an absurd idea, it has taken thousands of years to create our civilizations, tearing it down is thoroughly irresponsible and stunningly immature. You can divide our society up into three parts, the childish (the left), the indeterminate and clueless (the middle ground), and those were some idea about the real world exists (Tea Party). Anne Coulter is right about the demonic nature of revolutions. Clearly history does not inform the left, especially its leadership, about what happens to those who espouse violent political action; Robespierre was consumed by his own dear revolution. One wonders why life insurance companies grant life insurance policies to left-wing revolutionaries.

    The solution is simple, keep the promulgation process going. Slowly but surely the new media will take over from the old media and steadily reduce the toxicity of socialist ideas in the public marketplace. Glenn Beck’s idea of Internet television is brilliant. This is a model that extends the blog concept to an online television service, not difficult for us to do on a smaller scale. Create a blog with a general appeal and add to it programming that deals with the truth and morph the whole thing into a television station.

    Besides campaigning, and Tea Party activism, there is much to be done. The best thing to do is to get started. We are already on the case and exhort others to do likewise, step up your blogs into YouTube presentations on your websites and of course on YouTube. Now is the time to do this, rebutting ridiculous advertisements by the left through the web TV will make their propaganda exercises intensely frustrating. Telling lies is very difficult once you’re called on it regularly. Remember to use humor as your primary weapon; it is far more potent than ridicule. The left have their Saul Alinskey rules for revolutionaries, their problem is having a severe humor bypass let alone history against them. Exploit it, alternative comedy is an absurdity, political correctness is a prime humor preventative.

    Start broadcasting!

  • Jack Coleman

    Excellent article Robert and sadly how true.
    What many don’t seem to realize is freedom once lost is impossible to regain.

    • mark

      This isn’t true at all. There are scores of examples from history that prove otherwise. France was occupied by the Nazis from 1940-1944, now they are free. The Japanese lived under a military dictatorship from 1936 to 1945, now they are free. Italy lived under a fascist dictatorship 1922-1945 now they are free. Spain lived under a fascist dictatorhip from 1939 until 1975, now they are free. All the nations of Eastern Europe lived under communist dictatorships from the late 1940s until 1989, now they are free. Chile and Argentina lived under brutal military dictatorships in the 1970s and 1980s now they are free. Nations and peoples regain their freedoms all the time. That is the historical record. And only a few of hundreds of historical examples.

      • Jack Coleman

        I guess I left out without the use of force.

        • mark

          No actually the nations of Eastern Europe, Spain (when Franco died in office his dictatorship began to unravel), Chile and Argentina all regained their freedom without resort to force in largely peaceful revolutions. Thirty million African Americans regained their freedom to vote, to exercise all of their constitutional rights in the mid-1960s through the non-violent movement of Martin Luther King and civil rights legislature passed in the Congress. One does not always have to resort to guns to regain one’s freedom. And the resort to guns does not guarantee freedom either, as many nation’s with defeated armies can attest.

          • Jack Coleman

            Probably one of the most important freedoms we have lost over the last 40 years and one that affected the most people is the right to use their private property for what they purchased it for, although they do have the privilege of paying the required property taxes on it as long as they own or are buying the property.

            The many different Unconstitutional EPA and NOAH regulations are implemented by state EPA personal, county, and city planning commissions. The regulations have many gray areas written into them, so the property or business owner doesn’t know if he is in compliance with the laws or not until someone reports a possible infraction and an investigator checks it out. Then the decision depends on how that particular investigator interprets the gray areas of the regulations.

            We have approximately 2200 unconstitutional departments and agencies that have their own set of regulations for others to follow.

            So how many freedoms have we really lost?

            Another one to think about:

            Any time a person gets a free handout from any government agency, it always has strings attached and the big one is always loss of freedom.

            I don’t know what type of governments the countries you mention have, other than Argentina is communist, but if they got their freedoms through peaceful means they probably are, at best social democracies or communist and their freedom depends on what the government will allow.

          • Jack Coleman

            The force I was referring too:
            If it hadn’t been for the allied victories over Nazi Germany and Japan in World War 2, at the cost of many thousands of allied military lives and many thousands of civilian lives most of the people you are referring to wouldn’t have had a chance of having the type of government they have today.

      • 45caliber

        mark: You are correct. However – none of them freed themselves. And I don’t think any of the present countries of the world would be willing to come to our aid from humanitarian reasons.

        • Raggs

          Humanitarian aid is an implied aid… And in almost ALL cases it is a totalitary implication… Git-my-drift?…

        • mark

          No, the Argentines and Chileans played a huge part in freeing themselves without the use of violence. So did most of the people of Eastern Europe in 1989 (with the exception of Romania where there was a good deal of violence). The Soviet Union which held them in chains collapsed without a major war or the use of violence as Right-Wing think tanks, the CIA, and the Pentagon had long predicted. Also the people of India under Gandhi’s non-violent resistance and and all the African Americans of the South freed themselves without any outside nation helping them and without resorting to violence although widespread violence by the Southern States security forces and the white people of the South was consistently used against these freedom-fighters. But the great news is that the Southern Police and the Klan lost, and the non-violent protesters won! Now blacks in the South can vote, run for office, serve on juries, protest, eat in any restaurant and stay in any hotel without the fear of white violence

  • http://none RPaul or same ol’

    I quit contributing to my 401 after the debacle. Was advised to start accumulating gold and silver, it became a passion and something I enjoyed doing, like a hobby. As things progressed I cashed out of 401 to do more of same, lack of trust in politics and finance. I have friends in local law enforcement, 4 out of about 30, that are in my beliefs as well. My house is fortified and stocked, can shoot in any direction with but a barrel sticking out. I have like minded people in 2 different locales for bugout reasons although if it comes to that I’ll probably go offshore where I have 2 flags planted(another hobby I decided was fun). I talk to as many people in my immediate area to test the water so to speak. Many will not be in a foxhole with me. I sincerely hope and am trying my best to spread Ron Paul’s message, it’s falling on a lot of deaf ears. This summer there were flooding issues. Everybody affected mad as hell, and rightfully so. All were going to move, this isn’t right and all that rhetoric. Guess what, close to 100% are rebuilding. FEMA was here, everyone got their check I guess. I’ve asked “do you really trust the Corp of Engineers to not do this to you again?” Once every 500 years was the most common response. That told me they believe Big Government is the best way to go and I have no time for that rationality. I don’t know why people refuse to wake up but that’s the reality in this neck of the woods. Of course said people don’t think much of a vote for Ron Paul. All I can do is share information from this website and all it’s contributers, Thanks DaveH and all, much appreciated. I know I’ll not be relying on prayer to get through this. Off topic but had to share my experience, I’m otherwise pretty quiet. Ron Paul 2012

    • FreedomFighter

      “”Why are they determined to destroy capitalism?

      The reason is simple. Capitalism stands in the way of dictatorship. Capitalism represents liberty, and property rights, and democratic government. Therefore, if you are like Hitler, and seeking total power, you must oppose capitalism in principle as well as in practice. For you will never achieve total power unless you eradicate the capitalist system and the culture of freedom it engenders. Such is the thinking that lies behind the North Korean regime, the ruling Iranian clerics, and the “Caliphate” of the al Qaeda terrorists. They all hate capitalism, they all want nuclear weapons, and they all claim that corporate America is “guilty.”

      One needs only a little common sense to realize that capitalism is dedicated to producing goods and services. It is capitalism that has raised the world’s overall standard of living, while anti-capitalism has left nothing but a vast trail of destruction in its wake. One has only to study the leading exemplars of anti-capitalism – today’s “voices of destruction” – to grasp this fact.””

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • mark

      This is typical. No one believes in big gov’t. But they all cash those gov’t checks. Yes, siree! It was like Ayn Rand. She was a total federal gov’t hater. Until it came time to cash her social security checks and use her Medicare benefits.…/ayn-rand-received-social-security-medicar...

      • DaveH

        Typical Liberal. They vote to take other peoples’ money, and then they use that money to give unsolicited gifts to others while expecting those gifts to obligate the recipients into the future.
        Mark is one of those people who would expect sex after treating a woman to dinner, as if his unsolicited gift has somehow obligated her.

        • http://none RPaul or same ol’

          DaveH…you are a breath of fresh air with great responses to those that don’t get it. You keep me thinking people just might wake up. Of course not all but maybe enough.

          • DaveH

            Thank you, RPaul, for your kind words.

        • mark

          No that’s actually Herman Cain who believes this, the conservative darling – until a few days ago. Ron Paul and the Austrian School probably believe in this also – free exchange of service or something they would call it.

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      Take responsibility for yourself man, if you build/live in fllod plain etc.its your fault when it floods. Corp of engineers! Thats my tax dollars being wasted, same for FEMA. People like you are stealing from me you moaning socialist parasite

      • http://none RPaul or same ol’

        If your comment was directed to me, I suggest you brush up on your comprehension skills, or lack thereof

  • Raggs

    Mr Ringer is clearly seeing the light of day by his article.

    This next year should prove to be more than interesting. As I stated 3 years ago oblama will do everything possible to destroy those that are against him… I believe this will hold to be true… I think that anyone with even a little common sence can figure out that the US is on the verge of a MAJOR event… I think that the interior pressure of the US is too much too bare and thus it will explode from within… Once ( and I mean once ) the rioters lose control which they are already doing it is just a matter of time before king oblama takes advantage of the situation for his own personal gain… The fast-n-furious failure that was implemented in order to control our 2nd admendment will look like a pre-school picnic if oblama gets his way… So how many people will sit and watch Oprah Whimpy while the US is being destroyed?…

    • talkinbout

      Making predictions is a tricky thing. It’s amazing how many political predictions never come to pass. Many on this site have made the same type of predictions. I guess we’ll have to wait and see which ones come true and which ones don’t.

      • Raggs

        I dont see where it is such a hard prediction and it’s not really even a prediction at all… It is a matter of fact that the US is ripe and ready to burst… How many more buy-outs does Greece need prior to a total collapse? It’s just a matter of time… As far as Im concerned oblama is an evil man and IF he believes ( in which he should ) that he will lose his throne ( and he will ) he would MUCH rather take the country down with himself than allow an end to his reign….

      • Raggs

        I guess that what Im saying is that oblama already has his people on the ground and they are indeed ready… If you have trouble understanding that than I suggest that you turn off Oprah Whimpy….

        • talkinbout

          I don’t watch Oprah. I watch fact checking sites and I can honestly say that there is, constantly, an increditable amount of misinformation on this site. I spend more time factchecking this site than commenting on it.

          • Raggs

            “The end justify’s the means”… After you have researched that prehaps then you can understand.

          • talkinbout

            Re: Raggs, I’ll never understand people who vote against their own interests.

  • talkinbout

    I guess it dependes on how you look at things but more people are concerned and there’s a ton more evidence that the U.S.A. is becoming a corporate plutocracy than a socialist democracy. Obama has been bought and paid for just like most of our government. It’s kind of hard to be a capitalist and a communist at the same time. Why do you think he’s not liked by so many of his former supporters. That’s why OWS is out there – because niether party is doing it for us.

  • http://Yahoo Sue C



    • Raggs

      You don’t even come close to making since… Not even a little bit of knowledge spews out of your head.

    • JC

      Wow! That was quite a rant. You’re a bigot aren’t you?

  • rkz

    Communism is here already, and has been fro many years. There’s only one thing to do now, before the toilet flushes what’s left of America, and everyone that calls themselves an American should know what that is!

    • mark

      Right, go down into your spider holes with your canned goods, crackers, and guns and come back out in about 50 years. Your absence from the political process will make this a far better country.

      • John Lilleburns ghost

        i think you meant you crackers should go down your spider holes, with your guns etc. I love this website and the tin-foil hat crew who believe in it

      • JC

        Who says we’re going anywhere?
        Do us a favor marxy…since you’re so proud of what you believe in…stand tall, hold still, smile and wave your commie flag will ya?
        Thank you for your cooperation. :)

  • rkz

    sue c, You will awaken in just a short time, to what the real issue is, the only problem for you is that you’re playing with a double edged sword. Your beliefs will only get you a communist lifestyle, and if you realize what you have helped to create, it will probably be too late, for true American’s will only see you as a treasonist thug. Beware of what you support in country like America.

  • Raggs

    Some braindead appeals court has just upheld oblama-deathcare.

    I guess this is when the nitty hits the gritty.
    God Damm the government….

  • Jay

    Why, no matter how much intelligent goodwill exists in the world, is there so much war, suffering and injustice? It doesn’t seem to matter what creative plan, ideology, religion, or philosophy great minds come up with, nothing seems to improve our lot. Since the dawn of civilization, this pattern repeats itself over and over again.

    The answer is that civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been built on slavery and mass murder. Psychopaths have played a disproportionate role in the development of civilization, because they are hard-wired to lie, kill, cheat, steal, torture, manipulate, and generally inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse, in order to establish their own sense of security through domination.

    The inventor of civilization – the first tribal chieftain who successfully brainwashed an army of controlled mass murderers – was almost certainly a genetic psychopath. Since that momentous discovery, psychopaths have enjoyed a significant advantage over non-psychopaths in the struggle for power in civilizational hierarchies – especially military hierarchies.

    Behind the apparent insanity of contemporary history, is the actual insanity of psychopaths fighting to preserve their disproportionate power. And as their power grows ever-more-threatened, the psychopaths grow ever-more-desperate. We are witnessing the apotheosis of the overworld – the overlapping criminal syndicates that lurk above ordinary society and law just as the underworld lurks below it.

    During the past fifty years, psychopaths have gained almost absolute control of all the branches of government. You can notice this if you observe carefully that no matter what illegal thing a modern politician does, no one will really take him to task. All of the so called scandals that have come up, any one of which would have taken down an authentic administration, are just farces played out for the public, to distract them, to make them think that the democracy is still working.

    One of the main factors to consider in terms of how a society can be taken over by a group of pathological deviants is that the psychopaths’ only limitation is the participation of susceptible individuals within that given society. Lobaczewski gives an average figure for the most active deviants of approximately 6% of a given population. (1% essential psychopaths and up to 5% other psychopathies and characteropathies.) The essential psychopath is at the center of the web. The others form the first tier of the psychopath’s control system.

    The next tier of such a system is composed of individuals who were born normal, but are either already warped by long-term exposure to psychopathic material via familial or social influences, or who, through psychic weakness have chosen to meet the demands of psychopathy for their own selfish ends. Numerically, according to Lobaczewski, this group is about 12% of a given population under normal conditions.

    So approximately 18% of any given population is active in the creation and imposition of a Pathocracy. The 6% group constitutes the Pathocratic nobility and the 12% group forms the new bourgeoisie, whose economic situation is the most advantageous.

    When you understand the true nature of psychopathic influence, that it is conscienceless, emotionless, selfish, cold and calculating, and devoid of any moral or ethical standards, you are horrified, but at the same time everything suddenly begins to makes sense. Our society is ever more soulless because the people who lead it and who set the example are soulless – they literally have no conscience.

    In his book Political ponerology, Andrej Lobaczewski explains that clinical psychopaths enjoy advantages even in non-violent competitions to climb the ranks of social hierarchies. Because they can lie without remorse (and without the telltale physiological stress that is measured by lie detector tests), psychopaths can always say whatever is necessary to get what they want.

    In court, for example, psychopaths can tell extreme bald-faced lies in a plausible manner, while their sane opponents are handicapped by an emotional predisposition to remain within hailing distance of the truth. Too often, the judge or jury imagines that the truth must be somewhere in the middle, and then issues decisions that benefit the psychopath. As with judges and juries, so too with those charged with decisions concerning who to promote and who not to promote in corporate, military and governmental hierarchies. The result is that all hierarchies inevitably become top-heavy with psychopaths. Since psychopaths have no limitations on what they can or will do to get to the top, the ones in charge are generally pathological. It is not power that corrupts, it is that corrupt individuals seek power. (excessive length post removed);wap2

  • Raggs

    Well… So oblama has now stated that he hates the Israeli prime minister… OH GEE so when was the first time that I said this?.. Oh about three years ago… Just a little proof of my thoughts… Iran is now nuc capable… And oblama is a what?.. My president?… Not even for a second. In his wildest dreams this son of the devil can ever be a leader of anything but the total idiots that he prey’s upon.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Raggs, Amen!

    • http://personallibertydigest not fooled

      Iran/Obama one in the same.Just another hollywood side show sat up by the puppet masters that control them.Look out behind you the real screwing is around the corner.

  • Angel Wannabe
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  • mark

    I like the picture at the top of this article of four heroic state police goons working over a single unarmed protester. But notice he is black. This website always sends those less-than-subtle racist messages to its readers here. The picture choice is telling as was the black man highlighted in the London disturbances article last summer. This site obviously knows its audience.

    • Angel Wannabe

      mark, When noone else will listen to what you have to say, you can always pull the race card and right on time__you have! :P

    • DaveH

      Have you ever been to Oakland, Mark?,_California#2010

      Maybe before you shoot off your mouth, you ought to do a little research.

      • mark

        Maybe you should do a little research too, Dave. The majority of the protesters are white, even though the majority of residents in Oakland are black or minority. There are numerous photos of the police brutalizing whites but this site choses the photo of the black. And this is a conscious choice. The site knows what buttons to push. It knows its audience.

        • DaveH

          How do you know the majority of the protesters are white, Mark?
          I don’t pay attention to that sort of thing. Obviously you do. Racist.

          • JC

            Exactly. Blame Bush, blame capitalism, and pull the race card at every opportunity. These subversives don’t have much to work with do they?

    • Raggs

      Oh you poor thing does it make you happy if I call oblama a Ni88er?
      I’m so sure that you feel much better now and that you can go back into your little hole in the sand!…. :)

      • mark

        You have already demostrated again and again that you are a total racist, Raggs. This neither gives me pleasure or pain. It is simply who you are.

        • DaveH

          Actually, Mark, you were the only one who noticed or at least said anything about the color of the protester. Racist.

        • OB1

          Mark, you are a prejudiced racist hater. Enough said. I’ve read your posts and you disgust me.

  • Raggs

    I’m going to give a week… ONE WEEK..
    The protestors will be stealing food.

  • mark

    I also love candidate Ron Paul stating yesterday they we are fast approaching “an elective dictatorship.” What a mental giant! And more proof positive as to why he will never be president. Ron Paul is also apparently concerned with healthy illnesses, open secrets, promiscuous virgins, slow fast cars, peaceful war, and religious atheism. Whew, what next?

    • DaveH

      Ron Paul runs intellectual circles around you, Mark. Only an Ignorant Liberal would condone Politicians openly usurping the law. But then, morality is the last thing on your mind isn’t it? Your vision is too firmly fixed on other peoples’ money to think about morality. Your neighbors must padlock their possessions when they see you coming.

      • mark

        No, Dave, only when they see free market capitalists coming from the Austrian school. Then they hide their possessions and fast!

  • Donald

    Nothing like a good case of paranoia to get everyone excited. Only problem is that the coming of communism is all in Ringer’s mind.

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      and what a paltry mind it is

      • OB1

        A sound mind is a tremendous loss and waste….in order to have a sound mind, one has to be mindful of the truth……history….the big picture….

  • OB1

    For those, who speak up, provide history, insight, wisdom and links, I thank you:

    Subject: Thomas Jefferson

    How prophetic was this man! And this was way back when our country was just getting started!

    Thomas Jefferson
    This is amazing. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part (in RED).
    Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.
    At 5, began studying under his cousin’s tutor.
    At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.
    At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.
    At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.
    At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.
    At 23, started his own law practice.
    At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
    At 31, wrote the widely circulated “Summary View of the Rights of British America” and retired from his law practice.
    At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.
    At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence.
    At 33, took three years to revise Virginia?s legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.
    At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.
    At 40, served in Congress for two years.
    At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.
    At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.
    At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.
    At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.
    At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .
    At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation’s size.
    At 61, was elected to a second term as President.
    At 65, retired to Monticello .
    At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.
    At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.
    At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams
    Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:
    John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: “This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.”
    “When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .” — Thomas Jefferson
    “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
    – Thomas Jefferson
    “It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
    – Thomas Jefferson
    “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson
    “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.” — Thomas Jefferson
    “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” — Thomas Jefferson
    “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
    – Thomas Jefferson
    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” — Thomas Jefferson
    “To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
    – Thomas Jefferson
    Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
    “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
    If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property – until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
    I wish we could get this out to everyone!!!
    I’m doing my part. Please do yours.

    • mark

      You forgot to put in that part about his 200 slaves and the children he had with his 16 year old slave Sally Hemmings. Buying and selling other human beings was another one of his strong points.

      • libertytrain

        You need to read up on the facts which are not quite what you spouted based on the DNA evidence as only one example of the incorrect statement you made. Also for what purpose does it serve to keep bringing up the slavery issue of that time period in this country and the world. It was what was at that time – no going back in time to change that. It does not negate all that this man was intellectually — though for some reason you don’t have the intellect to understand.

        • libertytrain

          Mark, you would better serve yourself by joining up with one of the many organizations that fight slavery and/or human trafficking in our day and age. It might help you get over your self-loathing or the guilt you have for what happened in the world a couple hundred years ago, by working to stop what is going on today, when you actually can do something about it.

      • JC

        There ya go again….bringing up the racist slavery issue, which has absolutely no pertinence today. But I think it’s obvious by now that you are stuck in a depressing little world of misery, and that you need this issue to justify yourself.

        You’re a race pimp.

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      How about

      Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
      -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


      Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


      Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
      -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom


      The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

      or (and i like this one)

      If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? …Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814

      another good one

      Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”

      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816

      or (for you climate change deniers and creationists out there)

      Priests…dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
      -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820

      another gem

      And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
      -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

      • Jay

        Shame on you John, you have misrepresented Thomas Jefferson in the worst way possible, and that, for the purpose with which to grind your anti-Christian axe. Thomas Jefferson was indeed a Christian, however, he was anti-religion, which is not to confused with anti-Christianity, a distinction you seem to scarcely understand. Further, as the correspondence below will make clear, he was anti-Calvinist, which, might lead one to believe, if not properly addressed, was anti-Christian! How can you be so intellectually dishonest?

        —– Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June 26, 1822

        Dear Sir,- I have received and read with thankfulness and pleasure your denunciation of the abuses of tobacco and wine. Yet, however sound in its principles, I expect it will be but a sermon to the wind. You will find it as difficult to inculcate these sanative precepts on the sensualities of the present day, as to convince an Athanasian that there is but one God. I wish success to both attempts, and am happy to learn from you that the latter, at least, is making progress, and the more rapidly in proportion as our Platonizing Christians make more stir and noise about it. The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.

        1. That there is one only God, and he all perfect.
        2. That there is a future state of rewards and punishments.
        3. That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself, is the sum of religion.

        These are the great points on which he endeavored to reform the religion of the Jews. But compare with these the demoralizing dogmas of Calvin.

        1. That there are three Gods.
        2. That good works, or the love of our neighbor, are nothing.
        3 That faith is every thing, and the more incomprehensible the proposition, the more merit in its faith.
        4. That reason in religion is of unlawful use.
        5. That God, from the beginning, elected certain individuals to be saved, and certain others to be damned; and that no crimes of the former can damn them; no virtues of the latter save.

        Now, which of these is the true and charitable Christian? He who believes and acts on the simple doctrines of Jesus? Or the impious dogmatists, as Athanasius and Calvin?…doctrine of one only God is reviving, and I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die an Unitarian…

  • ed

    A dozen drones equipped with nuclear warheads could completely cripple a strong nation like the United States in less than an hour without a single foreign boot on their ground.

    That’s how much military actions have changed since WWII.

    And that’s why almost all of the world’s political leaders are working towards political ties (UN) and international trade ties (WTO). This will eventually force all nations to diminish their national sovereignty in favor of international control. We see it happening right now within the European Union.

    The world will become more “civilized” and individual freedoms will become more subordinate to the needs of the superstate.

    You libertarians can protest all you want but in the long run you are doomed.

  • Elba Saravia


  • Tired of Idiots

    Robert Ringer should keep his mouth shut or the way he likes it, up the butts of the Republicans, the GOP and John Boehner and Eric Cantor. We had a word for people like him, too foul to print it here.


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