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People Died; Obama Lied

November 2, 2012 by  

People Died; Obama Lied

The storm named Sandy swept away more than lives, houses and property. It swept President Barack Obama’s scandals off the front pages as well.

It’s abundantly clear that Obama and his minions lied about the attacks on the Benghazi, Libya consulate that resulted in the deaths of Ambassador Christopher Stevens, former Navy SEALS Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, and information management officer Sean Smith. The attack did not stem from a spontaneous demonstration over a farcical YouTube video. It was a coordinated and planned attack.

What’s worse, it now appears that not only did the Obama Administration refuse to accede to requests from Stevens to beef up security in the weeks prior to the attack, the Administration either refused or ignored pleas for help once the attack began. The assault lasted for hours, which was plenty of time to deploy troops to the area. There were also drones in the air and the events were being watched in real time, though it’s unclear whether the drones were armed.

It’s likely Obama instructed his message bearers to lie in order to keep up the meme that he was tough on terrorists and had al-Qaida on the run. Attacks by the very al-Qaida fighters Obama had armed to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi don’t play well during election season.

Like the Benghazi scandal, Operation Fast and Furious has slipped off the radar as well. Obama’s policies to arm Mexican drug cartels in an effort to blame the flow of guns into that country on American gun dealers as a pretext for stronger gun laws resulted in the death of border patrol agent Brian Terry. Obama’s — and Attorney General Eric Holder’s — protestations that he knew nothing about the program ring hollow.

There have been several theories posited about what happened in the run-up to the Libya debacle. They include one that Obama was planning an October surprise whereby Stevens would be kidnapped and exchanged quietly for the so-called blind sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, the spiritual advisor to the 1993 World Trade Center bombers. The New York Post reported Sept. 20 that the Administration was considering giving him up in a goodwill gesture to Egypt. A swap for Stevens would have given Obama cover.

Regardless of the motive, it’s clear that when people died, Obama lied.


Tuesday night promises to be an interesting evening for those of us who closely follow politics. I’d like to invite you to join me as I live blog and discuss the mainstream media election coverage and the results as the States report. I’ll start promptly at 7 p.m. Eastern Time/4 p.m. Pacific. I hope you’ll join me in a lively discussion.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH

    And then there is this article from the Canada Free Press:

    • Warrior

      This just brings a tear to my eye.

      In God We Trust!

      As I approach my twilight years, I am struck by the inevitability that the
      party must end. And one clear, cold morning after I’m gone, my spouse will
      awaken in the warmth of our bedroom and be struck with the pain of learning
      that sometimes there isn’t “anymore.”
      As I Age . .

      No more hugs, no more special moments to celebrate together, no more phone
      calls just to chat, no more “just one minute.”

      Sometimes, what we care about the most gets all used up and goes away, never
      to return before we can say good-bye, say “I love you.”

      So while we have it, it’s best we love it, care for it, fix it when it’s
      broken and heal it when it’s sick.

      This is true for marriage…..And old cars. And children with bad report
      cards, And dogs with bad hips. And aging parents and grandparents. We keep
      them because they are worth it, because we are worth it.

      Some things we keep — like a best friend who moved away or a sister-in-law
      after divorce. There are just some things that make us happy, no matter

      Life is important, like people we know who are special. And so, we keep them

      Suppose one morning you never wake up, do all your friends know how you
      really feel? The important thing is to let every one of your friends know
      your true feelings, even if you think they don’t love you back.

      So, just in case I’m gone tomorrow, please vote against that [expletive deleted] Obama.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        May God grant you many more years with a lively step and a lucid mind, now let us do our part to vote O out.

      • eddie47d

        Very touching and loving Warrior and then you blew it big time and all your deep down hatred came flowing back with that last sentence. That makes you still a nasty human being and shows that you have already lost your mind. I will pray for Obama whether he wins or loses.

      • DaveH

        You have shown in your past by being a Union member and by being a thieving Liberal Progressive with your votes, and at the present by being the board Troll, that you have nothing but hatred for your fellow human being.

      • eddie47d

        Feel better now Dave H that you made an arse out of yourself. How do you know how I vote on any issue? I have already sent in my ballot and we had two expensive school bond issues and I voted against both. Not just because they would have added $450 on my yearly taxes but mostly that we have plenty of vacant schools or empty classrooms that could be used. These issues are on the ballot every other year and most pass and I am hoping these two don’t. I know you like to say being in a union is theft but I haven’t seen that happen and my 40 years in the union is nothing to be ashamed about. I also defend the right of everyone to have equal opportunity and to be secure within themselves. That is hardly hating anyone or being a troll in exposing those who make statements for shock value. Maybe you should be pointing that finger at yourself in throwing slim balls and half baked accusations.

      • DaveH

        When you use coercion, Eddie, to achieve higher-than-market pay rates, you are stealing, no matter how you rationalize it.

        • Tony Newbill

          WE have not been allowed to TRUST in GOD we been told to DIS GOD that religion is a MYTH a fake sense of HOPE and that Government is the Answer and so the world of Ideology and being told what to believe is our NEW order of Business , just Like the Indoctrination of the Children you saw the Video , if you didn’t you are the problem not the one with true free solutions !!!!! Child Indoctrination Video Alert: Blame Your Parents if Obama Loses the Election

      • mark

        Cheer up Warrior, you may live on for several more years – and continue to spew your bile and hate. After November 6 when Obama wins 290-248 in the electoral college, you and most of the posters on this site, will have four more years to stew in your hatred. Look on the bright side!

      • Linda

        I like that.

      • TIME

        Oh ~ Dear markie,

        Don’t you fret little markie, as you will be one of the very first rounded up for the camps, WHY? They fear worthless eater’s / useful idiots like you far more than people who really do know whats going on.
        Read History and learn from it. ~ Oh Forgive me ~ I forgot, you can’t read let alone Comprehend anything ~ oh well.

        Peace and Love be with you,

      • Precious

        I’d rather have President Obama that a Mormon preacher that doesn’t believe in Jesus the Christ and that blasphemes the Holy Spirit which is an unpardonable sin. God will forgive the abominations of homosexuality and abortion but never will He forgive anyone for refusing to accept His Son and our Savior Jesus Christ. It’s clear enough for me where my vote will go. Peace be to you. God bless you.

      • DaveH

        Precious says — “I’d rather have President Obama that a Mormon preacher that doesn’t believe in Jesus the Christ”.
        Don’t they teach you the Ten Commandments where you come from, Precious? Thou Shalt Not Lie? Or are you just ignorant?

      • millie

        To Warrior,
        you can count on me to vote this bum out, I will be their on Nov 6 and I just like you look want O out. May God Bless you and may you be around for many more years to come.

      • SJJolly

        Won’t the joke be on you, if Romney wins, repeals Obamacare, and you “check out early” because you can’t pay for the life-saving medical care you need.

        • Tony Newbill

          Hey you just spin that as if Obamacare pays for free your healthcare are you that Ignorant ???

      • mark

        Thanks, TIME, peace and love to you as well. See you in those imaginary camps that you have all been talking about for 4 years now that never came into existence and never will in the next 4 years under Obama either. But have fun with all your fascist/communist death camp fantasies. I guess you’ve got nothing better to do. Sieg Heil!

      • Rocco

        “Don’t they teach you the Ten Commandments where you come from, Precious? Thou Shalt Not Lie? Or are you just ignorant?” Sorry Dave, But there is not a do not lie commandment. So I quess you are the ignorant one.

      • DaveH

        “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor”.

        You’re equivocating, Rocco.

      • Randy W

        Hey Rocco: Sorry Dave, But there is not a do not lie commandment. So I quess(sic) you are the ignorant one.

        Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

        It appears you are the ignorant one. I knew those years in Sunday School would be helpful.






        “mark” [2 NOVEMBER; 3:336 PM],


    • TML

      DaveH says, “And then there is this article from the Canada Free Press:

      - “The concept of an “October surprise,” or a news event with significant potential to influence the presidential election arose exactly forty years ago, when former National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger under then President Richard Nixon announced that an end of the Vietnam War was at hand.

      Applied to the present day, what one comparable announcement could be made that would have the same impact in scope and influence favoring the incumbent Obama. Given all that we know, let’s postulate that it would be an agreement hammered out between Obama and Iran where Iran would agree to halt its nuclear ambitions”

      So, in other words, the entire article, given October 10th, is fabricated on the mere postulation that Obama would have come out with an “October Surprise” of a nuclear agreement with Iran.

      - “…on October 4, 2012, that Thomas Pickering would be the chairman of the U.S. State Department’s Accountability Review Board, a commission charged with investigating the deaths of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans…”

      So Obama appoints a commission to investigate, and the best response is to point out that Pickering has a ‘cozy’ relationship with Iran.

      - “…Valerie Jarrett, Obama’s Iranian-born Senior Advisor, jetted to the nation of Qatar.”

      Then it turns to the Iranian-born adviser (born of two American citizens, btw) visit to discuss Iran nuclear ambitions as being hidden, even though we obviously know about it.

      - “While the creation of an October surprise of this nature could be relegated to the historical dustbin of speculation…”

      Interesting even the writer knows he is grasping at straws.

      He goes on to spout ONE of the 234 attacks in Libya in the last 16 months (48 attacks in Benghazi alone and 2 bombings against the United States Consulate in Benghazi) and says he must rely on his [un-identified] “well-placed intelligence source” to help him understand the “magic trick” – Whose only ‘intelligence’ was speculating rhetoric about the seven members of the Iranian Red Crescent (there for humanitarian aid) because they seemed to be checking out the damage. Oh the horror.


      - “…the seven member contingent of the Red Crescent were inexplicably kidnapped by “armed men.”
      Fast forward to October 6, 2012, about the time when Valerie Jarrett was reportedly meeting with Iranian officials in Qatar. The kidnapped Red Crescent delegation was suddenly, inexplicably and unceremoniously released”

      … more rhetoric which ignores that fact that the Libyan Red Crescent implored the group who detained the delegation to set them free in appreciation of the aid and support given by the Iranian Red Crescent during the February 17 revolution. Along with the fact that rights groups in Libya had continued to express concern over arbitrary arrests and secret detention conducted by militias made up of former anti-Gaddafi rebels. Such as Nabil al-Alam, Libya’s Olympic chief, whom was also kidnapped by such armed men, and “inexplicably and unceremoniously” released, u harmed.
      - “Rumors inside the intelligence community suggest that the Jarrett “October surprise” meetings with Iran were contingent on the release of the Iranian Red Crescent workers.”

      Rumors inside the ‘intelligence community’ that suggest the “October Surprise” (now given to as if it’s a fact) were contingent on the release of Iranian Red Crescent members whom we, nor they, had anything to do with their detention.

      Of course, the article ends on by saying he must again rely on his unidentified ‘intelligence source’ to assist him in seeing through the clouded world stage with mere rhetoric which between two different events that have no valid connection.

      - “Could it be that Obama’s “October surprise” was to announce that an agreement had been reached with Iran, that they would halt their nuclear ambitions much like the Kissinger “peace is at hand” announcement?”

      Interesting that October is over, and no announcement of agreement with Iran despite all of this conjecture.

      - “If so, and if Iran had any involvement on a nation-state level in Benghazi, wouldn’t it seem logical that the truth about the attacks needed to be managed without any such mention of Iran?”

      At least he used the word “if”… but since this is all hypothetical, it’s merely a rationalization in attempt to explain a non-issue of no mention of Iran.

      - “Who would be the best person to head such an investigation?”

      Hmm, perhaps a former U.S. Ambassador who now co-Chairman of the International Crisis group?

      - “And if Iran was behind the pre-planned and sophisticated 9/11 murderous attacks in Benghazi, could it be that the July 31, 2012 mortar attack was a probe of that facility’s defenses in advance of a future attack? That would explain the curious disappearance of the 7 member Iranian “Red Crescent” team, and their equally mysterious reappearance, unharmed, 65 days later.”

      Having already debunked the ‘curious’ disappearance of the Iranian red crescent team and their equally “mysterious” reappearance unharmed; it becomes obvious that a mortar attack was not to probe facility defenses in advance for future attack. Not by Iran anyway.

      - “Has the magic trick been revealed?”

      It has now.
      Anyone who believes the tripe of this article is dumber than a box of rocks.

      • DaveH

        TML says — “Anyone who believes the tripe of this article is dumber than a box of rocks”.
        If you had valid indisputable information, TML, you wouldn’t need to resort to Adolescent Manipulative Tricks, now would you?
        Anybody who falls for your Manipulation is “dumber than a box of rocks”.

      • DaveH

        TML says — “Interesting that October is over, and no announcement of agreement with Iran despite all of this conjecture”.
        Duh. Could that be because no agreement was reached?

      • TML

        Dave says, “If you had valid indisputable information, TML, you wouldn’t need to resort to Adolescent Manipulative Tricks, now would you?
        Anybody who falls for your Manipulation is “dumber than a box of rocks”.”

        Sorry if you take that personal Dave… the article is obviously a fabricated box of speculation and rhetoric that has little facts to dispute in the first place. It relies heavily on the rhetoric of prejudice towards Iranians by spouting, nonsensically, two people – Jerret Iranian born (while she is born to two American Citizen) and Thomas R. Pickering (accused of being ‘cozy’ with Iran – translated in reality as, serving on the board of American Iranian Council (an organization devoted to the normalization of relations between Iran and America)… while pointing to a group of Iranian Red Crescent members (that’s like the Red Cross to those who don’t know better).

        And that’s the same article spouted by Vigilant in a recent disagreement regarding Iran and now by you (even though you had intervened saying I made a better and more civil case than he).

        I simply abhor the feeble attempts, such as the article you and Vigilant present, to now try connecting the Benghazi incident to Iran.

        I have given indisputable information debunking the supposed mysterious kidnapping of Red Crescent members, and their abrupt release without harm, along with who the armed men were. The funny thing is; the writer tries to say “the Jarrett “October surprise” meetings with Iran were contingent on the release of the Iranian Red Crescent workers.” although there is no viable connection whatsoever.

        Daves says, “Duh. Could that be because no agreement was reached?”

        And yet the Iranian Red Crescent member were released, and still no agreement, which completely dissolves the speculation of an “October Surprise” which was the basis of the article.

        I’m simply dispelling the utterly flawed reasoning in the article, Dave… don’t take it personal. I will try not to use such comments that imply anyone who thinks other than me is dumber than a box of rocks. But comon… the article is ridiculous.

      • TML

        I must slightly correct myself… the article you present was not presented by Vigilant; it was first presented by ‘greyghost05′ to which Vigilant approved by referencing vaguely the disagreement we had engaged the day before.

    • TML

      Correction: “So, in other words, the entire article, given October 30th*, is fabricated…

      • http://comcast the fisherman

        Romney is no Christain,he lies and lies like it is a part of his nature

        • Tony Newbill

          Hey your fishin up the wrong creek Fishy-man !!! LOL , Look who is supporting Romney that is a Obama Jobs councilman How much of an Indictment is this ??? Romney campaign trotted out a roster of well-known business leaders Thursday who are backing the Republican presidential nominee. The newest name on the list belongs to Intel CEO Paul Otellini, a member of President Barack Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

      • eddie47d

        That doesn’t bother me Tony does it bother you in your crazy assumptions? I still think Romney fibs more than Obama!

      • daniel

        eddie I will have to disagree vehemently with you on the lying part. Obama has actually made Nixon look good and we know what a liar he was. Obama twists things around everytime he opens his mouth. I wished it could be fun parsing what he says but it has gotten to the point that obama’s lies are downright insulting to anybody with average intelligence.

    • nateb

      Eddie47d, You are a troll and [comment has been edited] Try to do something decent, think straight with whatever time you have left. Try the Bible. Great place to start. It can open all kinds of new doors for you. Sounds like like you could use some. Good luck. You’re gonna need it.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    1: The attacks on our ambassador were not the result of a stupid youtube video. And the President would agree since the day after the attacks he called them an act of terror. He even compared what happened to the 9/11 attacks and he used the word attack to descibe both 9/11 and the consulate attacks.

    2: In regards to the requests for more security Poitifact pointed out that

    “There have been a number of news reports that American officials in Libya wanted to keep a 16-man military team in place beyond August but those requests were denied. Republicans charge that the Obama administration underestimated the threat of violence and failed to do all they should have done to protect the consulate in Benghazi.

    In a House hearing last week, a State Department employee, Eric Nordstrom, said he told his superiors twice that the embassy mission needed more armed security. Nordstrom was the regional security officer for Libya in the months before the attack. In a July cable, he said he wanted 12 guards plus military trainers.

    Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary at the State Department, confirmed at the hearing that she opposed keeping the team in Libya.

    Beyond putting his assessment on paper, Nordstrom made that request verbally to a State Department officer in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs. “His response to that was, ‘You’re asking for the sun, moon, and the stars,’” Nordstrom said.

    State Department officials at the hearing argued that they met other security requests and that the additional personnel would have been of little use since they would have been based in Tripoli. The attack took place in Benghazi, some 400 miles from Tripoli.

    In fact, the number of guards at the Benghazi consulate when the attack occurred was at the number Nordstrom said were needed. He wanted five; three were based there permanently and two more traveled with the ambassador.

    Also, Nordstrom was seeking more forces for the embassy mission nationally, not just in Benghazi. In addition, the ambassador could have brought more guards with him from Tripoli. They were available but not deployed.”-

    3: Fast and Furious had nothing to do with stronger gun laws. It was a foolish mistake on the part of the President and his administration. There is a vast difference between stupidity and conspiracy.

    4: With respect Mr. Livingston I see more paranoia in the theories you mentioned then actual evidence. I see many of our politicians including Obama as opportunists rather then conspirators. I would have no doubt Obama like any politician would use something good as evidence of his ability and try and put a good spin on any bad news. I see them as responding not causing.

    • Dennis48e

      ” Fast and Furious had nothing to do with stronger gun laws.”

      Ah ha but it did have to do with stronger gun laws for an ATF supervisor said as much unfortunately I don’t have the source immediately available but will look for it.

    • Randy W

      Jeremy says: 1: The attacks on our ambassador were not the result of a stupid youtube video. And the President would agree since the day after the attacks he called them an act of terror.

      Obama continued to blame the moronic video when he went on the Dave Letterman Show, September 16th, then at the U.N. speech on September 25th.

      • elba schmitt

        Randy, it’s obvious that Jeremy is either stupid or just does not understand. From the beginning the President nad his administration have denied the Benghazi murder of 4 great Americans was an act of terrorism. It continued to say over and over it was due to some video and apologize for it. To this datte he has failed to answer questions as to what really happpened in the WH, and why no help was given to the Benghazi consulate. It’s shameful that we lost people there for the inaction of this President. 4 more years……NO Way. e. schmitt

      • eddie47d

        The video may have been a small piece in angering the attackers in Benghazi. (released in July) Too many of you are slamming that “stupid” video like it was inconsequential. Do you really know for sure or are you blowing some hot air yourself. The attack lasted from about 9:30-1:00am. when most folks are heading for bed including those who work at the Mission. It would be hard to repel any surprise attack even in a fortified military compound. Those of you who have served in the military should know that and losses can be high in the first several minutes. Especially when most are winding down for the night. What isn’t being said at least here is that there was a CIA compound one mile away which was also under attack so they had a hard time responding to the Mission assault. Even if it was a planned attack who is to say anyone knew about it. You really think al Qaeda was going to put an ad in the paper and announce the time and date? Did we know when the Twin Towers were going to be hit? Did we know when the Marine barracks in Lebanon were going to be bombed?

      • eddie47d

        Elba is wrong on most accounts and has the audacity to call Jeremy “stupid”. Obama mentioned terrorism the very next day and brought up the Benghazi attack as a terrorist attack here in Colorado the day after. Do you have that much hate in you for Obama that you don’t give a tinkers damn about the truth yourself.

      • Randy W

        Speaking of blowing hot air, here we have eddie: The video may have been a small piece in angering the attackers in Benghazi. (released in July) Too many of you are slamming that “stupid” video like it was inconsequential. Do you really know for sure or are you blowing some hot air yourself.

        I know for sure Obama and his administration continued to blame the moronic video while evidence shows the highest levels of government knew almost real-time of the situation on the ground. Clearly Obama looking for the best way to spin the information to have the least negative effect on his re-election aspirations. Can’t have those pesky al Qaeda members, armed under orders of the Obama administration, causing a negative effect on Obama’s re-election campaign.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Elba, Rand: As I also pointed out in his speech the President used the word attack to describe the attacks in benghazi and the 9/11 tragedy. He was making a comparison between the two. What I was and still am trying to say is in the days following the speech the President and his people dropped the ball. However they did not always say it was the result of a stupid video and it did not take them a long time to call it a terror attack as many including Mr. Livingston have suggested.

      • daniel

        eddie the attack lasted for seven hours with a brief lull in the assault. The CIA compound was a mile away from the consulate. The “annex” did take notice of the attack and did call for assisstance as they were trained to do when the attack first began. They asked permission to help but were denied and they disobeyed the orders to stand down. Their actions saved about thirty peoples lives from my understanding. Woods was killed manning a 50 caliber on the roof of the consulate by a mortar round. According to reports they were pleading for help and had the target painted for SPECTER to take out. No help ever came although a Marine General was relieved of command during the attack as was an Admiral. Why? Why were forces that were trained to handle this type of situation not dispatched as they were within striking distance? That answer alone has to go all the way to the top as it was obama’s okay that was needed. there was a meeting that began 55 minutes after the attack began at the White House that included obama, Biden, Panetta, and Clinton. It was already scheduled but all the players needed to make a fast decision were already assembled in one place with all the information coming at them in real time.

    • Douglas C. Smyth

      Actually, a CIA Team was called for at the time of the attack, and was there in response in 25 minutes. See
      All this talk of a coverup, and of Obama not protecting our citizens is so much BS, especially since these claims are being made by the Republicans who insisted on severely cutting the very security, funds that were needed to beef up guard personnel at places like the Benghazi consulate.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        This does not match the reports I have read and seen. I would like to know who wrote this and why. There were no reports of attacks on the annex until the return by the evacuation detail. You obviously are an Obama supporter. Why are you on a conservative site? To distribute phony information to mislead, perahaps?

      • C. Fuentes

        Why is the maker of the film still incarcerated as if the video had anything to do with the Benjazi attack. Why is he not allowed his “Freedom of Speech” rights? There are a lot of unanswered questions that must be told about what happened that day on 9/11. Anyone that was derelict in their job should face proscecution. My heart goes out to the families of the murdered heros of the Libya terreorist attack. And may God have mercy on the souls of the ones that didn’t lift a finger to try to help. I agree with Mr. Wood when he said “it’s better to die a hero than live as a coward” Are you listening Obama?

      • Daveh234

        Sounds like Capitalist At Birth doesn’t believe in our free speech rights.
        Continue to listen to only what I want to hear and get irritated when an opposing opinion is made.
        Ooooh, I didn’t see or hear that report….maybe you didn’t look at all the reports. Your hatred of the administration is choking your brain off from thought processes needed to think clearly.

      • Disgusted

        I have one question. How much protection did the mission at Benghazi have when the al Quaida group that claimed responsibility for the attack was also the group with the responsibility for protecting it ? I heard that in a report earlier this week. It was also on WND that the Obama administration had approved it. If that is true… isn’t that like having a fox guard the chicken coop ?

      • Ted Crawford

        Have you been Huffing at the post again Doug? Woods and Doherty were, TWICE told to “Stand Down” before they violated those orders and responded!
        If , as you say, funds had been reduced to the State Department for security purposes. what , competent, administrator would allow Marine detachments to be located at locations such as Switzerland, while pulling security assets out of places such as Lybia!

      • eddie47d

        Fuentes: He wasn’t “incarcerated” because of the video but because of a fraud case in Florida. As tasteless as the video was that wasn’t about freedom of speech.

      • JeffH

        As usual eddie would rather muddy the waters with mis-information rather than fact-check why Nakoula(or Bassil?)was arrested in September.

        Fact: he wasn’t arrested because of a “fraud case” in Florida
        Fact: he was accused of violating his probation
        Fact: Attorney Steve Seiden said his client had always maintained contact, in person and by telephone, with probation officers who have been monitoring him since his 2010 bank fraud conviction.
        Fact: the attorney added that Nakoula had made no attempt to flee Southern California and never would.
        Fact: Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Dugdale told the judge that the man — whom he referred to as Nakoula or Bassil — had engaged in a “pattern of deception” and “a person who cannot be trusted.”
        Fact: he served one year in federal prison at Lompoc, California
        Fact: he was prohibited from using aliases as well as accessing computers or any device that can access the Internet without approval from his probation officer.
        Fact: Earlier this month, Nakoula met with a probation officer in the wake of a federal review of his five-year supervised probation in the 2010 case. Nakoula was cooperative at that voluntary interview, authorities said. He was bundled up in a coat, hat and white scarf when he was escorted from his house for that interview. He wasn’t under arrest at that time.
        Fact: Nakoula should have or could have been arrested for probation violation at that hearing.
        Fact: Nakoula was conveniently arrested after the uproar made by our POTUS and his administration

        FACT: I do think the guy is a scumbag
        FACT: I also believe his arrest is purley a political arrest
        FACT: Nakoulas video was used by the Obama Administration to excuse and justify the Bengazi attack which resulted in the death of 4 Americans as an “extremist attack”.
        FACT: once again Obama, his administration and his complicit media partners have been caught in their own lies
        FACT: Obama’s own words: “The natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests,”…
        FACT: Obama is a “proven” liar

    • DaveH

      Jeremy (aka the multiple-personality Flashman) says — “1: The attacks on our ambassador were not the result of a stupid youtube video. And the President would agree since the day after the attacks he called them an act of terror”.
      Act of Terror? Big whoop, Jeremy (aka Flashman), the Government blames everything against them as an act of terror. The bottom line was that his administration continued to blame a mob action and the video for weeks afterward.

      Jeremy (aka Flashman) says — ” In regards to the requests for more security Poitifact pointed out that”.
      You are equivocating, Flashman, as usual. The main concern was what occurred After the attacks began, and the lack of response to those attacks.

      Jeremy (aka Flashman) says — “3: Fast and Furious had nothing to do with stronger gun laws. It was a foolish mistake on the part of the President and his administration. There is a vast difference between stupidity and conspiracy”.
      Why? Because the board phony, who has masqueraded under several different User IDs, says so.
      Here’s what Gunowners of America says:

      • Flashy

        DaveH…please note that your continued insistence that anyone who writes in opposing your brainless posts and ideas is not always me. but deflection from the weakness of your arguments and opinions is par for your nature…can’t sound intelligent, you make things up and spout them enough for the Big Lie. Whatever…

      • DaveH

        For those who are foolish enough to believe anything Flashman says:

      • Jeremy Leochner


        1: The big whoop is many people have attacked Obama for not calling it a terror attack in the days following. My point is he did. And more importantly he compared what happened to what happened at the trade towers on 9/11.

        2: I was pointing out the information because many seem to consider it important. Because numerous people from Mitt Romney to Fox News have repeatedly mentioned Obama’s failure to respond to requests for more security in the embassy. They do not talk about how he treated the attack as it happened, they talk about what should have been done differently in the time leading up to it. That was what my information was pointed at.

        3: For the last time Dave I am not flashman. I am not lying. There is no evidence that I am flashman or anyone else. You say I am because Mr. Livingston and a few others do. So people saying things makes it true. They say I and flashman have the same IP address. First I would like to know what my IP address is and how some one found it without hacking my computer. I have no other personalities. I am telling the honest truth and with all due respect Dave when I hear you say I am flashman its like hearing someone tell me the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. It is not true.

    • eddie47d

      Those attackers were not “armed under orders of Obama”. You are pathetic to say the least. Every other demonstration and protest had a clear link to that video and that has never been disputed. Not only are you “blowing hot air” but a teller of tall tales.

  • twistingyarn

    The truth is the white house knew the attack was forth coming, watched it unfold live, then Obama went to bed doing nothing. The question is why??? This knowledge alone indicates an act of treason from our highest office. with barely a whimper from the other branches of government. They all need to go. Put them on the frontline in Afganistan. They have been more than willing to send our chuildren there let them go in thier place following the same hog tying rules of engagement they have our children working under.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      We are talking about the most callous group of savages that exist and these are not the ones in Benghazi. It appears the civilized savage is more cruel because they knew what was transpiring and would not allow the Ambassador and the Navy Seals to be defended.

    • eddie47d

      Twistingyarn: Please show us where anyone knew the “attack was forth coming” or is that one of your YARNS? Same question to you Nadzieja: Please tell us why Ryan was one Republican who cut off that $300 million funding for added security? Why were cuts made if it is so important to you?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Those cuts as you call them were a proposed reduction in the rate of growth in spending in Paul Ryan’s budget proposal which has never seen the light of day in the U..s Senate. It never was an actual reduction in spending in the category as you contend.Where do you get your information, out of a Cracker Jacks box?

      • Liberty Lover

        I usually refer to leftists as “dispositionally uneducable,” but “hopelessly stupid” sometimes seems more descriptive. The idea that Obama was operating from some type of budget is ludicrous. He and the Senate refused to pass a budget because to do so might constrain Obama’s ability to spend money as he saw fit. There was plenty of money to invest in charging stations and Chevy Volts for European consulates. There was plenty of money for consulates in such threatening places as the Caribbean. Funding was NEVER an issue in providing security for the Benghazi consulate. It was all about political correctness and a pathetically naive Arab-spring narrative.

        Obama wantonly sacrificed the lives of four patriotic Americans on the altar of his election campaign. The absence of character and integrity that has been so obvious to many of us for more than four years is only beginning to trickle into the larger American consciousness through the gradually unfolding scandal of Benghazi. When Obama is resoundingly defeated on Tuesday, those brave men will not have died in vain.

      • Vigilant

        Eddie, please read the article to which DaveH linked, i.e.,

        It appears there was good reason to expect an attack.

      • DaveH

        Obviously, Eddie, you didn’t read the article I linked to in my first comment. Surprise, Surprise.

      • eddie47d

        Vigilant: That article was like most articles on the Internet. What ifs and maybes!.

      • eddie47d

        Capitalist at Birth. That might be yet the Republicans have been screaming for budget cuts for years so what did you expect? Something had to give and it isn’t always what you want.

      • eddie47d

        Liberty Lover seems to be more in love with himself and not the nation. Maybe you are the “hopelessly stupid” one? Job creation and stopping the failed economy from 2007 was more urgent at the time and rather immaterial to the Benghazi attack. Obama didn’t “sacrifice anyone in Benghazi for his election”. That is more ignorant and un American trash talk by blowhards. You are the one with an absence of integrity or character in using those 4 deaths for your political purposes. Good Day!

      • DaveH

        Eddie says — “Vigilant: That article was like most articles on the Internet. What ifs and maybes!”.
        Obviously, you didn’t really read it, Eddie. What you have described is your typical comment.

      • eddie47d

        Poor Dave H he believes every article posted on the Internet by the talking heads. What a shame!

      • JeffH

        *Las Vegas Review-Journal Destroys Obama*
        In one of the most blistering denunciations of Barack Obama ever penned, the Las Vegas Review Journal published an editorial today that excoriated Obama not only for his ineptitude in the Benghazi attack, but also his duplicity afterward and the cooperation of a supine press:

        The Obama administration sat by doing nothing for seven hours that night, ignoring calls to dispatch help from our bases in Italy, less than two hours away. It has spent the past seven weeks stretching the story out, engaging in misdirection and deception involving supposed indigenous outrage over an obscure anti-Muslim video, confident that with the aid of a docile press corps this infamous climax to four years of misguided foreign policy can be swept under the rug, at least until after Tuesday’s election … The official explanation for why Obama administration officials watched the attack unfold for seven hours, refusing repeated requests to send the air support and relief forces that sat less than two hours away in Italy? Silence.

        The RJ also charged Obama with impotence as he flew off to Las Vegas instead of dealing with the attack.

        Prompt and strong action from the White House on Sept. 11 might have saved American lives, as well as America’s reputation as a nation not to be messed with. Weakness and dithering and flying to Las Vegas the next day for celebrity fund-raising parties are somehow better?

        The RJ pulled no punches about the Obama Administration‘s efforts to destroy our economy and accused Obama of continually flat-out lying to the American people.

        This administration is an embarrassment on foreign policy and incompetent at best on the economy – though a more careful analysis shows what can only be a perverse and willful attempt to destroy our prosperity

        Read the whole article:

        • Tony Newbill

          Oh this Puts Nevada in Play BIG TIME !!!!!!!!

      • vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Poor Dave H he believes every article posted on the Internet by the talking heads. What a shame!”

        Unlike Eddie47d who doesn’t even bother with posting links to any sites that might proof the falsehood of eddie’s typical “proof by bald assertion”.

        Case in point, the claim that Paul Ryan cut any military spending. (The comment at the top of this sub-thread :) )

      • eddie47d

        Vickie: He was one who voted on that decrease of 300 million on embassy security. I never said it was about military spending. (“cuts in added security”)

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE Obama sent 1.5 Billion bucks into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood fool because they said Militaries like Libya could secure the embassies !!! This FOX guarding the hen house this shows Obama is ignorant or he is very sinister I hope ignorant is the problem !!

          I am getting real tired of having to counter you spin masters that are trying to prop up this failed Administration who is way way too pro radical Islamist thinking that appeasing these dudes is the way to peace !!!

      • eddie47d

        Breitbart is notoriously biased so why should anyone believe that trivial propaganda?

      • JeffH

        eddie says “Breitbart is notoriously biased” but forgot to mention that they are notoriously accurate also.

        eddie is also “notoriously biased” and I won’t forget to mention that eddie is also “notoriously inaccurate”.

        Of course what Breitbart presented here was an editorial from the Las Vegas Review-Journal which was not written or edited by Breitbart.

        Here’s the link in case you’d like to read the article from the acual source:
        Benghazi blunder: Obama unworthy commander-in-chief

      • daniel

        eddie there were plenty of incidences indicating an attack was probable like blowing up part of the wall around the compound. While Ryan did propose budget cuts it was the State Dept. that actually cut it even further than proposed. Also the ambassador had pleaded for added security as well as others and was turned down repeatedly. If the ambassador was incapable he should have been replaced immediately. If he was a malcontent the same thing. If he knew what he was doing then why did not anybody take action besides sitting on their hands?

      • pete

        Just wondering whether the average voting American is actually going to vote with their brains or just make it a ‘ racial issue ‘? Remember that when so many of them have ‘ idols ‘, can their opinion really be respected? The best man for the job is nowhere to be seen.

      • http://Facebook Lewis Winegardner

        “We The People” Pray, Justice is Done at the Polls.

      • Barb Winters

        I hope and pray your right. I don’t care what Romney’s igenda is, it couldn’t be any worse that what we have. I’m going to do my part to vote Obama OUT and get our dignity back.

      • http://YAHOO BOB

        there is a lot of stupid peoplein the USA. they cant see how he takes up for radical muslem,cause he was raised muslem. that was bred into him. did u no that in obamba care everyone will have a chip put in them…if u sell your house there will be a 3.8 percent tax on what u sell it for, not profit but the selling price

      • wandamurline

        The Ambassador was in Benghazi on a weapons brokering mission to the Muslim Brotherhood, so it is easy to lie about what happened by this administration (even using a stupid video as scapegoat) than it is to have a LIVE Ambassador in front of a Congressional Panel asking him questions about why he was in Benghazi in the first place, what he was doing there on 9/11. This is why A
        mbassador Stevens is dead.

      • Jon Walser

        The more I learn about Benghazi, the more I am struck by the parallels from 2 Samuel regarding David, Bathsheba and Uriah. Rapid response teams being told to stand down. Security being decreased in response to requests for increase…Stevens as Uriah, Obama as David…what is the motivation that parallels Bathsheba’s pregnancy? That is the question I still have.

      • David S.

        Obama is a symptom of Liberalism.
        Add Hillery C., Paneta, and all the Czars.

      • Nasty Eddie

        Amen, Brudda!

      • http://safeharborwellness arthur schenck

        well said, !need I sy more?

      • CMS

        Elda, you are so terribly wrong! Unions exist to keep corporate greed in check! Union members pay taxes that keep this huge government afloat! Unsustainably high wages? Take a quick glance at the top CEO’s pay and bonuses! I don’t have time right now to school you on everything you’re ignorant of, that would take a long while! Open your eyes and read a little more…..i recommend some college courses in economics as well!

      • Layne T. Ashton

        Could not agree with you more. Obama is dispicable and cares only about himself, maybe his wife and daughters and his own narcissistic ideology. I’ve prayed every day that he will be defeated.

      • Jibbs

        What an ass you are.

      • http://PLD THOMAS HENRY


      • Alene

        I strongly agree with everyword said. I may also add that The four American heroes are dead and al quaeda are strongly alive.This is the statement that Obama and Biden should have been saying in their campaign.Tell the people the truth because they owe us the truth.

      • Agape Jubilee

        Amen, brother!! I am sad to say, No truer words have been spoken lately.

      • atiba

        What are you gonna do when you wake up and the black guy is still President?

      • Lorna

        Wouldn’t this make Obama a “murderer”? We already know he’s a liar. From the time he was sworn in to be the constitutional lawyer he is and lied about his name. if one can be a liar by omission, then what does that make him, if by absence, four honorable men of our country were left to be murdered? What does that make him? He is a very dangerous individual who is hell bent on destroying our country. He is a black man who hates white people and is determined to bring down America!! And doesn’t care who goes down or how it goes down. His mentality is “black people built this country, and a black man is going to bring it down”.

      • Chuch

        Perhaps you have missed it, but several websites indicate that a sinister plot to have Amb. Stevens kidnapped and then traded for the blind shiekh who was responsible for the first attack on the WTC. I suspect that is why the terrorist whisked him from the compound to the hospital and then the terrorists surrounded the hospital until it was confirmed that he was dead. This may be a conspiracy theory but very plausable. There is no doubt Amb Stevens was a liaison for trading arms to the Syrian rebels via Turkey.

      • Paul

        Well Stated! I pray that America VOTES for the RIGHT Man for the WHITE HOUSE this time. Our hearts go out to all our FIGHTING MEN & WOMEN throughout this world.


      • Rudy

        eddie47d: I agree with you completely! Obama is the most teerrible tragedy to happen since the threat of the Nazis, led by Adolph Hitler! But perhaps Obama is even worse! He was elected by the citizens, living and dead(!) and occupies the White Hosue, from which he wields a great deal of power, much of it subversive! He is backed by more than 30 czars who are distinctly unAmerican and seek to destory us, or at least bring us down to the level of a Third World nation or lower. Like his father, Obama despises America and so does his wife, Michelle. Four more years of what he hs done the past four years and we might never recover. We need a man with Romney’s abilites and experiences. May
        god grant it on Tuesday!

      • jackiecox

        Obama does not understand economics or science, he is a politician, and not a very good one, he reads whatever is put before him to read, he is a serious enemy of our nation, and has done harm to all he does because his decisions are made without access to the variables

      • lois diminyatz

        i cannot imagine the country allowing Obama to get away with this. He is repsonsible

        r their death! WHY is nothin g being done about this, This was cold blood murder!!!!!!!!1
        He is a traiter to this country!!!!!!!!!

      • Roy tuttle

        it looks like your right, the moron have re-elected obama

      • http://AOL Janice D. Hagerty

        Well this so unreal to me that people in this country can’t see what is going on right under there noses!!!!! It is very clear that our countries PRESS has let people down in so many ways to mention!!!! wake this President and the people at the very top of him will and can destory this country and our Values and Consitution and our IN GOD WE TRUST!God help us now.

    • Paul Wells

      I would ordinarily agree with putting them on the front line, but the simple fact is: You’d likely see them turn around and shoot American forces in the back, like some of the so-called “blue on green” violence in Afghanistan. Hell, if you can’t trust them in the WH, what makes you think they’d act the least bit patriotic in an actual combat situation? I say exterminate the vermin!

  • Average Joe

    What’s behind Libya?
    Please watch the entire video

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Tarpley is a conspiracy nut. Always has been and always will be. It figures that this site would have it’s share of fellow believers. There may be a conspiracy. Until you provide proof (look up the meaning of the word evidence) I may listen to you. Otherwise you are just another kook.

      • DaveH

        Then there’s this:

        And these facts:
        In 2000 Iraq began selling its oil in euros.
        In 2006 Syria switched all of the state’s foreign currency transactions to euros from dollars.
        In 2009 Iran completely stopped conducting oil transactions in U.S. dollars.
        In 2011 Libyan Leader Ghadafi decided to to pursue a gold standard and reject dollars for oil payments.

      • DaveH

        Anybody who’s even slightly inclined to agree with Crony Capitalist at Birth should read this book and wake up:,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • vicki

        Speaking of “conspiracy theories”, isn’t it the liberal who constantly blames President Bush? Sometimes tossing in VP Cheney and or Halliburton?

        Projecting much are they?

      • eddie47d

        No conspiracies there Vickie that is well known past history.

    • Average Joe

      “Tarpley is a conspiracy nut. Always has been and always will be.”

      What was it you said after that?…Oh yeah…..

      “Until you provide proof (look up the meaning of the word evidence) I may listen to you. Otherwise you are just another kook.’

      Where is…YOUR evidence? Where is YOUR proof?
      Simply giving your opinion on the subject does not in fact make it true…you know about opinions, right?

      So, as per your own words (modified),until you provide proof (look up the meaning of the word evidence) I WON”T listen to you….. you ARE just another kook.
      Maybe, in the future, you could learn to take you own advise…or continue opening your mouth and switching feet.

      Best Wishes,

      • Tony Newbill

        I agree The KOOKS had their 4 years and they do not deserve another 4 years because of all this TALK of HOPE while just running up more debt than all the past Presidents in USA history put together and YET they are as HOPELESS with Sustainability , no actually worse with Unsustainable than we have ever been !!!! GET out of the way you Failed !!!!!

      • Capitalist at Birth


    • Tony Newbill

      Why Libya foreign Policy was a Failure from the start of the Idea of a Opening of the Arab Spring Pandora’s Box
      Obama’s Libyan Lies

      • eddie47d

        Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have always been right about American foreign policy and they both go back several years. Yet no one listened to them back then especially in the build up to the Iraq War. That involvement was by far the more dangerous in involving Americans than the Libyan situation. Going into Libya was not any wiser than going into Iraq yet Bush was never tarred and feathered like you are doing to Obama. Thousands of American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths occurred yet barely a whimper from the self righteous. Tony can’t be believed because of his one sided onslaught against Obama and not a peep about the more disastrous adventure in Iraq. Our foreign policies will never change if there are only “good” Republican Wars or “good” Democrat Wars. Unless you expose them all you are nothing but a shill for your party.

        • Tony Newbill

          The fact that I shared the Link on the Video should be enough to tell you where I stand fool !!!!

      • Flashy

        Such a failure..that’s why there were demonstrations in libya shouting pro US slogans and attacking the radicals. Such a failure.

        So tell us..when was the last time you recall ever seeing a crowd in the ME shouting pro US slogans ?

        • Tony Newbill

          This President is Compromised with a Foreign Policy that is counterproductive with the shadow Alliance of Radical Islam as a way to pass the Buck of Leadership on in the Middle east which will leave the World crippled with Conflicts , to his Talk on domestic policy with is just that All talk and Unsustainable DEBT and the people are tired of it !! its time for yet again something new !!!

        • Tony Newbill

          Obama is Lucky the POP Rally of Libyans happened after this disaster , Read this , they had plenty of warning BUT if they would have stepped up the security that runs counter to Obamas claim that He had Al Qaeda on the run and defeated !!!

      • vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have always been right about American foreign policy and they both go back several years.


        Our foreign policies will never change if there are only “good” Republican Wars or “good” Democrat Wars. Unless you expose them all you are nothing but a shill for your party.”

        Every once in a while eddie and I agree on something. This is one of them. Remember what the founders thought of a “standing army”. Protection of the state here in America was to be done by the people. Hence the 2nd Amendment.

        The founders also talked explicitly about why to not become the worlds policeman.

        What our foreign policy should be:

        • Tony Newbill

          Vicki nice spin but I brought up this Video indictment of the past administrations and their supporters so you cannot consolidate the supporters of a Romney administration into this attempt to elude because it has not established a record to criticize yet .

    • JeffH

      Navy SEAL PAC Hits Airwaves to Attack Obama’s Response to Benghazi Killings

      “President(?)Obama wanted credit after our military killed Bin Laden. Highly classified secrets were leaked endangering real heroes and their families, but when terrorists kill SEALs and diplomats in Libya, this administration doesn’t tell the truth about what happened and the president says it’s just a bump in the road,” OPSEC president and former SEAL Scott Taylor says in the ad. “There is nothing acceptable about playing politics with national security and American lives. Aren’t some things more important than politics?”

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Jeremy and eddie47, Where oh where should I begin. Obama did not call this and act of terror. He said “no act of terror will deter us” or something tho that effect. Candy Crowley admitted she was wrong the day after the debate when she defended Obama. Which by the way, is not supposed to be the responsibility of the moderator. Or don’t you realize that. But, I digress. eddie47 the attack lasted for over seven and one half hours not four as you contend. Where are you getting your information, off a cereal box? The people at the annex which is one mile as the crow flies from the consulate was not under attack until a detail left the annex to try to evacuate the people in the Consulate. After they evacuated the Consulate compound and returned to the annex they came under fire on the trip back to the annex. This is when two more Americans were murdered by the attackers using mortars. Previous to the initial attack a call went out that they believed they would soon be under attack. When all of the evidence comes out I believe Obama, Pinneta, Clinton, Petreus, Biden, the Director of the NSA, and everybody in this God Forsaken administration will be found guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors and should be executed for complicity in the murders of the four dead Americans. The fact that you choose ignorance over knowledge you should be executed as accomplices after the fact. Any response? Bring it on.

    • eddie47d

      He sure did Capitalist at Birth. Saying “No terror attack will deter us” is even more proof of that or admission to what happened and there will be follow up in pursuing those who committed these acts. The initial attack started at 9:40 pm and lasted until 1:00am. when the consulate(mission) was burned. So that doesn’t change what I said. There was also another attack at 5:15am (a rocket was shot at the compound). So if you want to stretch the timeline out then be my guest although they were two separate incidences. There was also a 11 minute attack on the CIA building one mile away and when it was over the agents left and went to the site of the original attack. Maybe you C.A.B. or crabby should be charged with a capital crime for shooting your mouth off without a permit. Now dig deeper into your box of cereal and look for the rabbit you just tried to pull out.

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Capitilist he was referring to the benghazi attacks when he said “act of terror” and he compared what happened to the 9/11 attacks. The reason it is important is that Mitt Romney has made it so by constantly criticising Obama for taking so long to call it what it was. He has made that a major point of his campaign. The problem is Obama did call it what it was. He and his adinistration then dropped the ball by appearing confused and sending mixed messages. The point is Obama is not the bad guy in this situation. He dropped the ball and now he and his administration are trying to put the best spin on it. And like wise Romney is trying to put the worst. What matters however is the truth. The President dropped the ball and his mistakes cost the lives of four innocent people. What matters now is what is he going to do about it. It was a foolish mistake but what matters more then not making mistakes is what you do once you have made them. I feel the President has done a decent job. At the very least the job he has done is better then what the Romney camp has said it is.

      • Leonardoo

        How could it be a decent job when four american lives were lost? Decent job for and behalf the terrorist, is it?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I am talking about the job he did after the attacks.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    eddie47; I would not call you and Jeremy stupid. I would say that the both of you are either willingly allowing yourselves to be duped or you intentional choose to remain ignorant. I guess you could call that stupid. I am sorry, you and Jeremy are [comment has been edited]

    • Paul Wells

      Right on! I’m done bantering back and forth with either of them, because their shrill attacks have no basis in factual information…either of them. They are…Stalin’s “Useful Idiots”.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        I had some free time this morning and decided I had to respond to the useful idiots. Sometimes it makes your day that much better to stir a little up.

      • Average Joe

        “I had to respond to the useful idiots.”

        So, you’ve started talking to yourself again? You know that isn’t healthy. Oh wait, my mistake…I thought you said “useless” idiot……..


      • eddie47d

        You were already told how I feel about Stalin, Paul Wells. Now present some facts of your own tinker bell!

      • JeffH

        eddie says “You were already told how I feel about Stalin,…”

        eddie, why would anyone believe you in the first place? You’re a proven(pathalogical)liar and have destroyed any semblance of cridibility you may never have had.

        You make it so easy…. :)

      • eddie47d

        You are the new and proven pathological liar Jeff. You just can’t seem to stop yourself lying about me can you?

      • DaveH

        I can prove you’re a liar, Eddie. Can you prove that Jeff is?
        Apparently, Eddie is feeling his oats again, and has forgotten how often Bob has had to take him to the woodshed for his lying and slandering:

      • JeffH

        Kudos to you Dave. Like I mentioned, he makes it so easy.

    • DaveH

      Jeremy (aka Flashman) is an administration shill, and Eddie is innocently ignorant.

      • eddie47d

        Jeremy is not Flashman as you constantly attempt to equate so that makes you the ignoramus or did you lose your pacifier!

      • DaveH

        How many times do I have to post this link, ignoramus?

      • Flashy

        LOL….DaveH…as i stated then, and i’ll state it again now…Mr. Livingston was in error. because he hasn’t acknowledged it is understandable, he can’t and still save face. i don’t push it because it has no bearing on the substance of what i write nor do i have any desire to push the issue. I am certain if Mr. Livingston went and reexamined either the information then…or perhaps now since most of those named still post, it would indeed be showing the mistake for the claim. If you recall, all denied and all asked WTF ?? Nice try…

        Last i will ever comment on this DaveH…you have a free hand to continue the Big Lie…and you will. it’s your character. you can’t hold the water for your contentions, so you tear down the speaker, not the facts.

      • eddie47d

        Then maybe you need to read the rest of the threads just below that from those complaining of that same false accusation. As I said you can’t believe everything you see or read and you could be very wrong. .

      • DaveH

        Let’s see. Who should we believe, the lying plagiarizer Flashman, Bob Livingston, or the Liberal Progressive Troll Eddie who constantly puts words in peoples’ mouths?
        Gee, that’s such a tough decision.

      • eddie47d

        Go back and check out the other explanations and then stop crowing Dave H.

      • DaveH

        You mean guesses, Eddie.

  • Flashy

    Wow…just more proof that thinking goes out the window when one becomes a self proclaimed ‘patriot’ and decides to be led by the Right Wing extremists.

    Get a grip. Think it through. The ambassador who has deep connections throughout the region. Two former Seals. And an “information Management Officer’ aka CIA.

    Now, y’all really think they were meeting together…alone, in secret, at a consulate…to go over the upcoming NFL season? You ever wonder why Romney was making noises….then has gone silent once he received the Intel briefing? Ever give thought to the drone strikes subsequent to the attack?

    I’m not saying the cover story was a good one. But it’s interesting that your thought processes are checked at the door as displays of unthinking idiocy keep being repeated time after time claiming incompetence by the admin. THINK FOR ONCE…jeesh

    BTW….i haven’t read anything about the GOP cutting embassy security funds, the refusla by the GOP to allow supplemental budgets allowing for more security, and has anyone ever remembered when the last time Arab crowds marched chanting Pro US slogans and support?

    • DaveH

      Think for once?
      I Think that Flashman is a multi-personalitied administration shill who has a very big problem with honesty.
      Ask me to prove that, Flashman (aka Jeremy).

      • Flashy

        LOL…Dave H…your metal swiftness is akin to the speed of a herd of turtles wading through peanut butter (chunky). No one cares about your thinking…it’s vacant of substance and merit …

        • Tony Newbill

          This President is Compromised with a Foreign Policy that is counterproductive with the shadow Alliance of Radical Islam as a way to pass the Buck of Leadership on in the Middle east which will leave the World crippled with Conflicts , to his Talk on domestic policy with is just that All talk and Unsustainable DEBT and the people are tired of it !! its time for yet again something new !!!

      • DaveH

        You didn’t ask me to prove it, Flashman. Why not?
        Instead you chose to personally attack me, as if anybody with any brains at all will fall for your manipulations.

      • eddie47d

        Why should he Dave H when you personally attack him?

      • DaveH

        Because unlike you or Flashman, Eddie, I provide proof for my claims.

      • Flashy

        Eddie…Dave H is an empty bucket. he resorts to personal attacks because he hasn’t the intellectual capacity to back what he spouts. He doesn’t even read the articles he posts….what can you expect from someone that weak?

      • eddie47d

        Who proof reads his alleged PROOF? Any article printed up can say what they want and that doesn’t make it truthful.

      • JeffH

        Falsy, you’re sounding more and more like eddie everytime you make a comment! After 3 years+- you’ve become so desperate for a like minded “buddy” that you are now reaching out to someone you completely ignored in the past.

        You are a “user” Fasly…and the best part of you’re being a “user” is that you’re preying on someone without a clue as to your motives and someone without a stitch of credibility like yourself.

        Desperate? Absolutley!

      • eddie47d

        Jeff loves “proving” Dave’s false and misleading information. I hope whatever they have it isn’t catching. Dave has got to be desperate to keep repeating something that isn’t proven.

      • JeffH

        eddie, seek help!

        bab·ble[bab-uhl] Show IPA verb, bab·bled, bab·bling, noun
        verb (used without object)
        1. to utter sounds or words imperfectly, indistinctly, or without meaning.

        2. to talk idly, irrationally, excessively, or foolishly; chatter or prattle.

        3. to make a continuous, murmuring sound.

        4. to utter in an incoherent, foolish, or meaningless fashion.

      • DaveH

        Eddie the Troll says — “Jeff loves “proving” Dave’s false and misleading information”.

        You are always free to prove that “false and misleading information”, Troll. But you can’t, can you, Troll? So instead you make a lying attempt to slander me.

        You’re a liar and a slanderer, Eddie, which is what lands you straight in the Troll category.

      • DaveH

        Keep in mind, Folks, that Eddie and Flashman types are what you get when you vote for Big Government. They are ignorant as all get out, but they still think they can run your life better than you can.

        And Eddie, hasn’t Bob Livingston suspended you before for lying and slandering? I see that it hasn’t taken long for you to revert to your old despicable habits.

    • JeffH

      Benghazi Obama’s Core Deceit

      Washington dishonorably refused to send the rescue. Again, apparently, the policy was to avoid offending the Muslim world by a further American show of force. So Navy Seals Woods and Doherty were finally overwhelmed and killed at their guns. American Ambassador Chris Stevens was captured, sodomized, and brutally murdered, dragged bloody and half naked through the streets. President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton afterward thanked the Libyan people for taking the Ambassador to the hospital.

      How Stupid Do They Think We Are?

      And that was just the beginning of the cover up and lies by President Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, and other Obama minions. For nearly two weeks, Obama and his cronies espoused to America and the world the fiction that the violence and murders in Benghazi were not terrorist attacks, but the result of Muslim rage over an unknown YouTube video trailer produced by a recent immigrant recluse in the U.S. That was to serve the broader Obama narrative that Obama had routed Al Qaeda (“he” killed Bin Laden after all) and supposedly restored Muslim respect for America, as well as to cover up the dereliction of duty in failing to provide security and send in the military rescue in Benghazi

      President Obama actually weaved this fairy tale before the whole world in a now retrospectively foolish speech at the United Nations. Later, he sent out U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice on the Sunday talk shows to spin the same yarn.

      The transcript of Obama’s Rose Garden comments on September 12, posted at the White House website, does not mention the words terror, terrorist or terrorism .

      He did not call the Benghazi murders a terrorist act the very next day. Obama was referring to terrorism in general, including the original 9/11 attacks in New York. Obama in fact continued to maintain for another two weeks the fiction that the murders resulted form overflowing, spontaneous, Muslim anger, later telling that fairy tale to the whole world at the UN.

      Read the whole article:

      • Tony Newbill

        Have we ever talked about the appeasing of the Muslim brotherhood and that connection to Hilary Clintons Aid , Anthony Weiners wife ?

      • JeffH

        Tony, not only Hillary’s aid but others linked to the Muslim Brotherhood working within our government and as advisors to Obama and the Obama administration.

        The Muslim Brotherhood in the Obama Administration

        • Tony Newbill

          This just proves Obama’s Policies Have become too corrosive to be reelected !!!!

        • Tony Newbill

          US Military Concerned Obama Does Not Have Their Back After Benghazi Scandal

          This President is Compromised with a Foreign Policy that is counterproductive with the shadow Alliance of Radical Islam as a way to pass the Buck of Leadership on in the Middle east which will leave the World crippled with Conflicts , to his Talk on domestic policy with is just that All talk and Unsustainable DEBT and the people are tired of it !! its time for yet again something new !!!

      • eddie47d

        Tony: Real Admiral Gaouette was replaced because of “inappropriate leadership judgement” by Vice Commander John W Miller. So will you be attacking Millers judgement also? Do you know all the facts yourself?

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d I think I will Listen to Senator Pat Roberts before you on this matter thank you !!!!!

      • eddie47d

        In other words you don’t want all the facts only those that make you look good.I think you’ll need more than a facial make-up. LOL!

      • DaveH

        Seek help, Eddie. Surely there are psychiatrists who specialize in Trolls.

      • eddie47d

        Seek help Dave H.! You never use to lie but now you are catching up to Jeff H.

      • DaveH

        Now you’re lying about that. Show me a single lie, Eddie, you useless sick Troll.

      • JeffH

        Yeah eddie, instead of your usual parroting and lies, prove it!
        You can’t prove either of us has lied because there is no validity to your slanderous accusations. On the other hand, all anybody needs to do is surf these threads for your comments or go into the archives to find an enormous amount of lying by you. Your lies have been reposted on numerous occassions, you know it and the board knows it.

        Yes eddie, you’re nothing more than an immoral and dishonest lying troll.

        POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaacckkkkkk!

  • Tony Newbill


    • Flashy

      NOPE That’s why i voted to give him another four years at the helm. All one has to do is compare Sandy to Katrina, to Romney’s panic attacks when dealing with the various crisis and issues versus the cool calm steady methods of the administration…and examine how we have begun to rebuild from the War on the Middle Class, the wealth redistribution practiced by the Conservatives since 1980, and the fact the federal spending and budget have grown less than any other presidency in recent history ….

      Only “patriots” for another cause other than America would say this president doesn’t deserve a second term….

      • Tony Newbill

        Where are the HELP CENTERS that could have Been READY to MOVE in with Water Gas and FOOD to help the Hurricane VICTIMS ? They had Plenty of time for a Contingency PLAN !!!!
        “America are you tired of this President’s All Talk and NO actions “?

      • Smilee

        Tony Newbill says:
        November 2, 2012 at 9:14 am

        Grow up Tony, they had to clear roads first before any services could be rendered the people and also insure safety from gas and electric line had to be insured, these things take some time. You must be one of those who thinks Obama is the Messiah and can snap his fingers and make it happen, PUFF, like I said grow up and be real.

        • Tony Newbill

          Smilee go ahead and cover for your guy but they have AIR lift Capacity and drop in Electrical systems that certainly can be activated in a Moments notice , you know what Ready Response is don’t you ??? Obama is a Incompetent dereliction of Duty as a President !!!!

      • http://facebook Pam Deininger

        Sorry, I am a Democrat and I am voting for the other guy. My family are all veterans.

      • eddie47d

        You are bizarre Tony with your ridiculous assumptions. Now with Hurricane Sandy so you are are plucking straws out of thin air. Heck we had several Xcel (utility) trucks head back East from Colorado to help out. Do you pay any attention to the news?

      • Flashy

        Pam…so you voted against your family. Romney and the GOP promise to gut the VA, do away with VA hiring preferences, get us straight into more wars with equipment they don’t want nor need and with strategies outmoded and wasteful. i trust you can hold your head high when telling your family how you voted.

        Tony … pre postioned supplies and relief centers, Naval ships riding on the coast ready to move in for helicopter support and assistance, almost hourly coordination with and between the states, toss out red tape, grant temporary waivers to the Jones Act … you really believe there is more that could have been done before the hurricane hit and a two days after it passed through? Every governor, every mayor, every emergency worker…all praising the administration’s efforts and actions.

        I’m surprised you haven’t claimed Obama used some super secret weather machine to create the hurricane for his “October surprise” ….

        • Tony Newbill

          BUSH had those ships in port right after too in LOUISIANA but he failed , but Obama is perfectly doing the job is that right flashy ???

      • FWO21

        You need to wake up, although it is too late. Obama has spent more money than all the presidents put together. As for bringing the middle class together, you are wrong. The middle class are the ones who support those on welfare, medicaid and food stamps. This is why obama is in office. Not because he is the best one for America. We’ll be lucky if there is any recognizable America left when he gets done.

  • Flashy

    Why lookee here. DaveH…ya got a Mises link to counter this suppression of the truth by the GOP ? Ya want the Middle Class to be snuffed and an aristocratic oligarchy of right and wealthy ruling over us? Vote GOP….you’ll have your wish.

    • Tony Newbill

      Flashy what we want is the Middle Class to RISE UP not dissolve into a One Star Flag One Class nation under Totalitarianism , and the DEBT RAN economic system Obama has with ZERO interest Monetary Policy thats Killing bleeding out the Middle Class Elderly tells you he is Incompetent to SEE that the Government DEBT ran economy is unsustainable or this is His Plan and I say this is his Plan !!!!!

      • eddie47d

        How can the Middle Class rise up when it was the last Republican administration who shot them down. The economic disaster was brought to them courtesy of G Bush.

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d the Middle Class needs JOBS to rise up and be innovative and Prosperous right ??? , then you have this GUY saying this about what creates those JOBS so tell me what you think about this ???

      • eddie47d

        As the population grows there has to be “global resource solutions”. That’s a reality and so is job creation and the two can be totally separate or melded together.

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE says “there has to be “global resource solutions”. That’s a reality and so is job creation and the two can be totally separate or melded together.”

          And so you admit to your Support of a One World Fascist State , and One World Order ??? Good one Eddie thanks for trying to sustain our USA sovereignty!!!

      • eddie47d

        Sorry spin doctor Tony and very bad try!. No I want a better world where everyone can survive with appriopriate resources for the majority no just a select few.

    • DaveH

      Flashman, you know full well that I don’t approve of most Republican Leaders any more than I approve of most Democrat Leaders. So what’s your point? And why do you constantly bring up Mises? Do you somehow think that if you repeat that enough that people will look poorly upon me or Mises? Unlike you, Flashman, Mises and I are honest sources of information.
      Why do you have such a problem with just sticking to the facts, Flashman (aka Jeremy)?
      The answer to that rhetorical question is that the facts shine a light on your dishonesty over and over again.

    • DaveH

      And for those who would innocently believe that the Congressional Research Service is “unbiased”, consider this:
      “Congressional Research Service (CRS) works exclusively for the United States Congress”.
      Of course they’re biased. They work for Government. Does anybody in their right mind (that excludes Flashman) think the CRS would shoot themselves in the foot by working for lesser Government?

      And for those who honestly think that the so-called Rich don’t pay their “fair share”:

      The bottom line is that for every dollar taken by Government to be Consumed, many of those same dollars would have been invested in Capital Equipment which produces goods and services more cheaply for the rest of us, as well as better higher-paying jobs for the workers skilled in operating that Capital Equipment. The Private Sector creates wealth, while the Government consumes it. That’s why the countries with the Biggest Governments are the poorest countries (by far).

      • DaveH

        To get a better understanding of how the Real World works (not the fantasy world of self-serving Socialists) read this article:

      • Sirian

        “The Private Sector creates wealth, while the Government consumes it.” That is very true but it is totally beyond Flasho or any of the rest of his ilk to either understand or even more so, accept. You can toss them links over and over and over but they’ll never read them or better yet, think about what they say. I wonder if they even know who Adam Smith was? Probably not.

      • DaveH

        Flashman understands. He’s purposely trying to mislead them, so that he and his handlers can benefit at other peoples’ expense.

      • Flashy

        I understand DaveH…very well. I understand you have no idea what you are talking about. i understand you call for, knowingly and with glee, for the destruction of our Nation as we know it, i understand you cannot cite one example of your theory of economics being successful..short or long term. I understand that pure capitalism practiced to theory is destructive to democracy and a lightly burdened Middle Class and will collapse on itself, I understand that the extremist of the Right have succeeded up to now in blinding Americans to the fact by following their policies we have weakened this Nation and lowered it’s rankings in the world…from being first in most areas to now being in the lower middle tiers in most, lower than that in some. I understand you cheer the TP trilogy of fear, hate, and ignorance. And i truly understand you have not the intelligence nor the want to have this Nation return t the greatness it was before the right wing extremists took power and began the War on the Middle Class…..

      • DaveH

        I cite examples often, Flashman, which prove that Capitalism works far better than Socialism. What examples do you cite? Your useless Conjecture? The conjecture of an ignorant Liberal Progressive who plagiarizes ignorant Sniper articles as if they were his own?
        See here, Folks, for an example of Flashman’s depravity:

        Follow the whole thread for a rigorous exposure of Flashman’s plagiarism, lies, and ignorance.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “i understand you cannot cite one example of your theory of economics being successful..short or long term. I understand that pure capitalism practiced to theory is destructive to democracy and a lightly burdened Middle Class and will collapse on itself”.
        So there are no examples of Free Market success, but there are examples that it “collapses on itself”?
        Perhaps, Flashman, you could cite examples of such? Yeah I know, you can’t, so instead we will have to endure more of your equivocating lip-service.

        Those who wish to investigate can simply read this report to see the results of Big Government meddling with economies:

      • DaveH

        And to learn why it is the anti-capitalists who are destroying our middle class rather than the Liberal Progressive Propaganda version, read chapter 7 “The Morality of Capitalism”. Quit letting people like Flashman get away with taking advantage of you:

        It really is intuitively obvious for thinking people. The more chiefs there are, the fewer producers there are. Thus the fewer goods and services, and the higher the prices for those goods and services. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that carrying a very large monkey on your back will slow you down.

      • Flashy

        “Flashman says — “i understand you cannot cite one example of your theory of economics being successful..short or long term. I understand that pure capitalism practiced to theory is destructive to democracy and a lightly burdened Middle Class and will collapse on itself”.
        So there are no examples of Free Market success, but there are examples that it “collapses on itself”?
        Perhaps, Flashman, you could cite examples of such? Yeah I know, you can’t, so instead we will have to endure more of your equivocating lip-service.” <—DaveH

        You are truly that ignorant of the history of Man? Are you serious? Have you ever taken an Econ 101 course? Read any of modern economic history? have any knowledge whatsoever of history? Logic of system maturation perhaps? The historical life of any free trade society throughout history…from birth to death?

        DaveH…you truly are ignorant and spouting nonsense of which you have no clue what you're supporting.

      • eddie47d

        Dave is so one sided he is like the Concordia off the coast of Italy. Lopsided and drowning!

      • DaveH

        I ask Flashdunce — “Perhaps, Flashman, you could cite examples of such? Yeah I know, you can’t, so instead we will have to endure more of your equivocating lip-service.” <—DaveH".

        And what do I get? More equivocating lip-service. As predicted.
        Typical useless Liberal Progressive.

        And then speaking of typical useless Liberal Progressives — Eddie chimes in with another of his Trollish comments.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, hold on just one second while I laugh.

        I can only imagine(God forbid)the pride eddie feels at the end of the day when he’s done “schooling” everyone, bragging to his family and anybody else around him. I’d almost bet they’re laughing at him, not with him.

  • Jess

    Bush lied and tens of thousands of people died. Only thing is Bush lied first causing the people to die. It started with 9-11. Everyone seems to forget that Bush did NOT keep us safe. Thousands of people died on 9-11 because of him and his administration.

    • Tony Newbill

      JESS I am sick and TIRED of this Being about BUSH hes GONE been GONE NOW for YEARS !!!! This is Obamas turn at Bat and hes about to strike out with all his empty Promises of HOPE and CHANGE , listen to him and you would think we are still in 2008 , he can’t deliver , and consider this its not how much the Government Spends to recover the economy its the Confidence the FREE MARKET Investors have on risking their Money and the way this President attacks MONEY and who has IT My God no wonder we have NO Growth and a real recovery matrix thats Equity backed not Government DEBT backed thats Unsustainable and is making Obamas Empty promise UNSUSTAINABLE !!!

      • Smilee

        Hey Tony, Those 3000 people are still dead, It was on Bush’s watch, you cannot change history by ignoring it nor can you change the fact he started a war over false pretenses that killed an additional 4000 Americans, these things are huge in comparison to Libya, which might have been a mistake but not an intentional act as was the Iraq war. The fact that Bush is gone does not change the history he created. You seem so confused and out of touch with reality.

        • Tony Newbill

          Oh there you go politicizing the dead … WHO needs to Grow up Smilee ??? You are reaching down Really LOW now !!!! YOU want to go there , we have not even been told how many under Obamas watch have been wiped out with Drones , people in other countries Smilee they are people too , not to mention the Soldiers who have been wiped out maimed for life under this presidents Watch with a Change in the Rules of Engagement that makes even the Civilian Law enforcement a Better Security force , Hello are you that Insecure about your own self reliance that you would pull out all the stops to support Obama Like this ???

      • eddie47d

        Do you have to continually be such an historical dunce Tony. Bush screwed up big time and had a few terrible advisers himself. You have every right to expose the errors of the Obama administration but you are living in darkness if you learned nothing from the Bush years.

        • Tony Newbill

          And so EDDIE we agree that we must Continue to turn the soil over and over to weed the ground and make it fertile again so that Our Seeds of Freedom and be born into the Light of day and create shade for the World and stop this Scored earth Climate Changing policies these ideologues have been charting and destroying Liberty with !!!!!!

        • Tony Newbill

          Just as Bush went so Obama must Go as well because we must turn the soil to weed the soil of the problems we have and face until we gain the kinds of leader who represent our NEEDS under the US constitutional Rule of Law that Bind Free People together in individual prosperity and enables them to find happiness and abundance in supply . This right now is showing us How a long disintegration of these unalienable rights is now causing the people who became dependent on Government for basic needs is Now suffering at the hand of that very dependency . Our Founders warned us to NEVER become too dependent on Government ……Under any Circumstance

      • eddie47d

        That’s all fine and dandy Tony but our founding Fathers also warned us about banks getting to big and corporations manipulating us. ( way back then). We still allow them to do so!

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d Better to let Obama and his Federal Reserve ZERO Interest Policies bleed dry the Old folks and make them submit to the Government for everything rather than a CD investment that Bonds a Private sector economy right EDDIE ???

      • eddie47d

        If you can’t correct the old problems what makes you think you can correct the new problems. You seem to let them fester from years earlier and then blame it all on someone else. Several commenter’s want to abolish the Federal Reserves so maybe you better get on board or the train is leaving.

    • DaveH

      Bush was a liar, a war-monger, and a budget buster, Jess. But since when do two wrongs make a right? Focus, Jess, Bush is gone now.

      • Smilee

        So Bush is not president anymore but that does not change his history, that still exists and ignoring it does not change it.

      • Flashy

        DaveH….Bush may be gone, all that mans is he and Cheney are no longer placed to screw it up more than they did. they crippled this nation…the effects are not short term, they are not minor, they are not over with.

        Reagan began the War on the Middle Class and the massive redistribution of wealth from the Middle Class t the wealthy and big Corporations…Bush accelerated not only that war, but also worked to bring this nation to its knees.

        We shall suffer from those disasters for years ahead.

        • Tony Newbill

          YOU want to know why Obama Can’t get the economy FIXED … Because he don’t want it fixed or he wouldn’t be so Militant towards the Business sector making everyone hate the rich , How many JOBS that are sustainable will come from a middle Class thats Running on Government Handouts ???? Obama is burning both ends of this candle of SELLING HOPE while waiting for the Free market to finally collapse under its own weight of fear anf complacency all a result of the hate American Rich campaign , so Obama then can step in and look like he is goning to save the day and say capitalism failed , NO its Obama thats failed !!!!!! He Failed FREEDOMS Faith , FREEDOM will Prevail !!!!

      • Flashy

        OK Tony…if you had been in the WH…what would you have proposed, what would have gotten through Congress, and what would the short and long term effects of your policies have been?

        That’s just it…easy to slam, but when anything other than what was is cited…it doesn’t work under scrutiny and the parameters in which he has had to work with. A 100% politics above nation opposition…and a strong ignorant radical extremist segment undermining any positive efforts .

        I fault Pres. Obama in three major areas. One is no Wall Street execs have been indicted. Second, the wall that was Glass Stigall between banking and risk investment should have been pushed to be reinstated, and the third is not pushing for the public health care option with more force.

        It took Clinton his first term to stem the malaise caused by Reagan, his second term we saw a retur to greatness and budget sanity. I see the same with Obama, plus. The one aspect of the extremists is that come this second term, their rantings will be diminished in being heard and rebuilding this Nation can go forward ..

        • Tony Newbill

          Obviously the thing Obama should have done First which he admitted was a Screw up was the Famous , ” I guess there wasn’t as many Jobs as I thought ” But we had a Great time with the Money thank you American people , and oh by the way heres a Bill for the Obamacare we need , it will be taken out of your bank account when you get it or we will be seeing you for some form of restitution compliments of the new 16,000 IRS agents that will be deployed into your Communities like a bunch of SS agents , You guys remember that history repeats itself so don’t get to worked up , and give us your guns too just so we don’t have any problems with Forcing you to comply … Thanks and vote for me because i will be your Leader whether you like it or not !!!!!

      • eddie47d

        Obama has made many attempts to fix the economy Tony so you lie. The Republicans (aka Mitch McConnell) made it very clear they would stop any proposal by the Obama administration. Obama has not been forceful enough and has his share of gaffs but you are just plain devious in your reckless assertions.

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE the ONLY attempts Obama has made to fix the economy is to make everyone DEPENDENT ON HIM FOR A Cotton Pickin Hand out , and of Course the Capitalist Party is going to vote against the Communist party , and you CAN Take that to the BANK !!!!!

      • Flashy

        Tony…what would you have done? Serious question…one that when presented to any extremist they cannot answer…for the consequences of extremism are unthinkable.

        C’mon Sparky..what would you have done?

        • Tony Newbill

          FLASHY , I would have evaluated what it would cost our economy and life giving parts supplies if our dollar was to be rejected as the worlds trade currency because of the unsustainable debt that has been building up since the WTO trade Policy and I would have said to Congress whats the 15 trillion dollar GDP worth if we lose the parts supply we have become dependent on and these foreign suppliers cut us off because of the debt that is making the dollar worthless and putting the American People in harms way by having these parts supplies cut off ? Then we would have taken most of that Trillions that the federal Reserve and Obama have spent and started retooling our parts manufacturing capacity to balance out this dependency that Today we are Nothing but an Importer and Assembler of these foreign Parts supplies !!!!!

      • eddie47d

        Yes Tony we all know about the weight of the government and it has to be tamed. Yet once again you left out the weight of the economic manipulators in the private sector.The Speculators who control gas prices and the cost of mortgages and the cost of drugs. Especially those that caused the collaspe of our economy by over pricing and gouging the public. You know those kindly old bank CEOs and so forth.

      • eddie47d

        More duck and cover from Tony but don’t worry most Conservatives on this site do the same thing. Instead of answering the question asked they revert to their favorite talking points. Now go back and read my first sentence.

  • Marc

    “THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK” Paul Ryan is just as guilty for what he is accusing the President for doing! The lack of funding, $300 million, needed to protect our ambassador and three others in Lybia, were cut before the attacks on our consulate ever happened. In the end, four lives were lost because of those cuts. So, am I to understand that Paul Ryan’s actions is acceptable and President Obama’s action are reprehesible. Get Real People! The Federal Government is responsible for the murder of those four men and not just the actions of the President of The United States!

    • Ted Crawford

      How much was or was not cut, has absolutely NO bearing on this issue! If the State Department felt that there were enough funds available to provide a Marine detachment to locations such as Switzerland, they can in no way justify not only the fact that there were none at the consulate, but that they had just PULLED the bulk of the Security Forces that had already been there!

      • eddie47d

        They also knew exactly what is and isn’t needed at the Swiss embassy. Libya was a continuing and changing situation. Where “headquarters” changed with the wind. The Benghazi Consulate/Mission was temporary for the time being. That did make it more vulnerable yet not very cost effective in spending millions in fortifying it. Maybe it was penny wise and pound foolish but that is what Congress and the Republicans want. Should we have spent 1 billion like we did with the Iraq Embassy? How much is enough for any situation and who is going to pay for it? If you ever been in a war camps and official headquarters sometimes change many times over.

    • Paul Wells

      I agree…those “cuts” had nothing at ALL to do with why the ambassador was told “no dice” to his repeated requests for military assistance. I’m sorry…I don’t pretend to know all of the facts in the Benghazi incident, but the POTUS has blood on his hands this time for telling General Ham to STAND DOWN, then relieving him of his post when he disobeyed orders and started to try to stand up for our men in the embassy!

      • Tony Newbill

        Yeah those same cuts should have stopped the OSAMA Raid so what happened there to fund that federal Reserve pitch a little there way ???

  • deerinwater

    Every President decides each day who stand in harms way with any outcome never certain. Criminal activity flies in the face of rational reasoning and has a random element associated with it that is impossible to predict.

    We can spend a weeks traveling through history and see example after example of this as been the norm rather then exception, so I see no need to waste time with offering more examples.

    These men and women that serve our government representing America interest understand the risk and accept it anyway. We should honor our statesmen for their service and take stock in the risk associated with their job. While the very people that act appalled today, ~ have spent 3 years demonizing all functions of government.

    It is still not clear who was responsible for this random attack. Much like the the Tea Party in Boston Harbor in 1773 , While disguising their individual faces was imperative, dressing as Mohawk warriors a group of 30 to 130 men, some dressed in the Mohawk warrior disguises, boarded the three vessels and, over the course of three hours, dumped all 342 chests of tea into the water.

    So cloaking one’s identity while engaging in the commission of a crime is a very old trick and still used often today to hold sway to public opinion for political purpose.

    This “jumping to conclusions” is not something that top decision makers are suppose to do, they are suppose to be smarter then that. If this doesn’t please you, ~ I’m just glad you hold no title to power but with the virtue of a single vote.

    The truth will be uncovered in time, ~ while bearing in mind, ~ there are many forces in play and what they want most of all, is for the money to continue to flow into their pockets. Their ideology taking a back seat to money! The ideology is used to incite the passion of the less bright into action under the illusion of noble cause and conviction.

    If the American people can be lead in such fashion, ~ can you imagine the effectiveness it has on a nation of stone age people?

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I think all the libertarians will attack me. Libertarians that believe in open borders. Besides the “useful idiots” everyone on this site is a full fledged loon. This will signify the end of my free time for the day. I have productive things to do unlike the left wing and libertarian loons that seem to dominate this site. Good Day!!!!!!

    • DaveH

      Good Day! indeed. Crony Capitalist always runs because he can’t stand up in a legitimate debate.

      • deerinwater

        Well? ~ bye. The pretense of being a capitalist at birth has always taken me back and begs for an explanation. Given the opportunity to label yourself, that name well exceeds all boundaries in both this world and the next. What was he thinking to inspire such a handle, I wonder?

        At birth, my only only overriding thought was , ~ “It’s cold in here!” , “What’s happening to me?, Who are these ~ things that move about? “I don’t like this, somebody kill the light.”

  • douglas dauntless

    That waht Obama is all about killing as many Americans as he can. He is a cold blooded killer of mankind. If Obama gets elected all seniors will be the first to die by law, Nancy Pelosi law pass it first then read it. And the Demo-rat Communist Congress did. And stupid people voted this killer of the USA into office.

    • Flashy

      And this post by Douglas Dauntless is a prime example why there should be strict gun control …. whoa …

      • Tony Newbill

        Flashy what you are hearing there is a Sign of TO Much Government Coercion like DaveH said .

        Obama is too corrosive for this Nation to survive as a Free nation and it not disintegrate into Chaos , its like Pushing on a string versus Pulling on it when it comes to Leadership and knowing when and how to .

      • Flashy

        I love it when someone states Obama is too corrosive. I’d say the problem is YOU are too corrosive. In essence, you are stating “Do it my way or I’m taking my toys and saying ‘no”, pouting i the corner”…

        Christie, Bloomberg, Powell… GOP moderates all.

        Obama is the corrosion…bah. Admit..any Moderate in ofice you’d be saying the same thing. because no one with any common sense will implement the policies you spout, “they” are too corrosive and you’ll pout in the corner saying ‘it’s all your fault I won’t play” …

  • Linda

    The three calls for help were unanswered. The Woods seal went against orders to stand down to try to help. He saved over 30 people before being killed. This morning it came out that the standard group made for dealing with terrorist attacks was not even asked to meet in this situation. The CIA has been saying that there was no deployment. How come all of a sudden there was one in 21 minutes. Perhaps more lies to cover up Obama incompetence.

  • larry ryan

    It really doesn’t matter that those stories were knocked out. The only ones covering them are FOX and the very few honest newspapers left. The MSM either aren’t covering them at all or have been in a mad scramble to spin them in Obama’s favor.

  • Stewart Mitchell

    Obama will get his turn????
    MABUS dies before the great destruction

    This quote fro Nostradamus might refer to Obama/ Bush

    • Tony Newbill

      This is why Romney was right about the way to bailout the Economic Mess in 2008-9 with a strategic bankruptcy like GM ended up going through anyway instead of the Obama -Bush Fascism we got !!!! keeping it in the Private sector and out of the hands of politicians who politicized the crisis to gain More regulatory control than was needed and is NOW causing FEAR in the Risk taking investor sectors as Obama goes after them even harder politicizing the issue even worse with hate those filthy Rich SOBs Hate em , have you seen the MSNBC show called Filthy RICH ??

      • eddie47d

        The “Fascism” would have been on Romney’s part. How do you think he made his millions? He moved in like a drone and cannibalized several companies thus either destroying them or forcing them into bankruptcy. You can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip but Bain managed to do so. Romney himself made $92 million on one deal and $100 million on another. Honor and Integrity in the way Romney does business…not a chance!

        • Tony Newbill

          Actually the Method he is being crucified for operating under is a Baited tainted economic Policy that was put in place to create the means to an End that the Communists were Praying for , you didn’t read this, , or you would not keep making these Crazy assumptions that Romney was conducting business in a unorthodox manner but was doing business as the Government Policies were drafted Under the Clinton Administration !!!!! The Business sector can ONLY operate with the Policy they are Given , so it will be FUN for Once to see what the NEW Rebirthing of the American Dream we will see become the NEW America under a Romney Administrion !!!

      • eddie47d

        Yes I’ll say it again and louder. Dishonest to the core and he will take advantage of any rule or regulation to make a buck no matter how unethical is is!

      • eddie47d

        More duck and cover by Tony. The Democrats AND the Republicans do it. Big Business and Government do it. Will you ever grasp that and it is not all about Obama and Romney has fooled plenty also.

  • larry ryan

    I forgot, conservative radio covers them, but they are preaching to the choir. Liberals whine about conservative radio and call them liars without ever listening to them. Actual conversation I had: “Rush Limbaugh is a lying racist.” “Really? What did he say that makes you think that?” “Oh, I never listen to him, but everyone knows it.”

    • Paul Wells

      Kool-aid for the liberal loon masses.

    • eddie47d

      I have listened to Rush Limbaugh on 850am and he does make some oddball comments. He loves to phrase things uniquely so it doesn’t sound racist but in reality it is. He pulls that same stunt with woman’s issue such as with the slut comment. Yes there are Conservative loons out there too Paul.

      • Tony Newbill

        Eddie there you go trying to shift the debate into a direction that we are all very tired of

      • eddie47d

        Tony: It was Larry and Paul who brought it up. Check them bifocals!

  • Syl Jones

    There were at least nine acts of terrorism during the Reagan administration (both in this country and overseas), same with GWB (remember the WTC?) and just about every President there ever was. When Pearl Harbor was bombed, the country stood together…they didn’t blame FDR for it happening; when Timothy McV bombed the building in OKC nobody blamed the President…they blamed the terrorists. When the WTC was bombed nobody blamed GWB…they blamed the terrorists. When the plane over Lockerbee was blown up with American citizens, the Lebanon bombing that killed American citizens, nobody blamed the President…they blamed the terrorists. So now, President Obama comes along and kill the terrorist responsible for the heartache and heartbreak of other Presidents, not have any terrorist act happen on American soil and we’re talking about something that happened in a far away land and a few American citizens killed. Not saying it’s insignificant to ever lose a life but to put things in perspective, there were six American killed under Obama’s administration and probably nearly 600 (just a low estimate–241 in Lebanon, over 300 in Lockerbee and that’s not including the other 10+ incidents over the years) during other administrations. Is it a fair assessment to give Obama so much grief over six killed when at least 100 times more were killed during other administrations and nobody blamed them for anything? You people have a warped sense of reality and definitely love distorting the facts…get rid of your red necks and tunnel vision!!!

    • eddie47d

      Those who throw stones at Obama are the ignorant masses Sly. Not because Obama gets everything right but they are absolutely hypocritical when others do far worse. Its almost like todays Conservative are demonicly possessed or have turned themselves into flesh eating vampires. It would be comical if what they say wasn’t so hateful and outright dangerous.

      • Tony Newbill

        Eddie 47d we are all tired of the Obama hate campaign , we want solutions that enable freedom not a policy that makes us submit to Obama and his ideologues and you are racist is you don’t rhetoric its old and the American people are tired of it we are now a Better society than in the past and when we tell each other we are not breaking down the society for a reason of disagreement is not constructive and actually might be why we can’t get anything done for the betterment of the society as a whole !!!!!

      • Karolyn

        The OBAMA hate campaign? Maybe you need to take another look. How about your own hate campaign for one.

        • Tony Newbill

          Karolyn I and rejecting Obama hate for rich people because we all strive to be successful and if we are going to have a shot a fair chance to have a shot at that dream of Prosperity the Hypocrisy of OH after you make then you gotta give it back to Obama because he thinks he know better what to do with it when he has Proven he can’t control the money after he gets it like these past 4 years have proven is what I am protesting , Protesting is a lot different than Pitting people against each other which is what the So Called Leader of we the people has been doing and protest this is exactly what you should be doing too because denigrating what we strive for as a Hope for Quality of Life coming from our efforts our self reliant kids efforts Not some Government hand out is what this is about .

      • eddie47d

        Now you are comical Tony! Its not the rich we dispise its those who achieve their wealth through unorthodox means of manipulation and deceitful practices. Whether it happens under Clinton/Bush or Obama. Think you can put a handle on that?

  • JeffH
  • chuckb

    what an assessment, “don’t blame barry for the libyan attack!” who the hell ks blaming barry for the attack, we are blaming him for his lies and the media for covering up his lack of protecting american citizens and u.s property. this shouldn’t come as any surprise, barry has no allegiance to this country, his heart lies with the muslim brotherhood and the islamic faith.

    • Tony Newbill

      This is why we have the Crisis we have is because of these Ideologues and enough is enough they gotta go we need new Political Soil to grow our USA policies with !!
      The Obama Administration had Plenty of warning to get ready better ready than this,

      ‘We Need Food, We Need Clothing’: Staten Island Residents Plead for Help 3 Days After Sandy

      • Tony Newbill

        This is why we have the Crisis we have is because of these Ideologues and enough is enough they gotta go we need new Political Soil to grow our USA policies with !!
        Reid says he can’t work with Romney

      • eddie47d

        1st:What would it be like under a Republican presidency since they want to do away with government help? Ask yourself that Tony! 2nd: Why would Reid work with Romney and the Republicans when the Republicans sabotaged everything Obama presented to them. You know: I wouldn’t do anything for you but you better be willing to help me out! Your team helped create that division now live with it!

        • Tony Newbill

          Eddie 47d The Proper Use of assets is whats lacking not the expansion of them and this President has shown that GOLF and the Muslim Brotherhood are his most important assets

      • eddie47d

        Oh Tony you are sad for Bush golfed more and Obama doesn’t have any secret magical connection to the MB. Yet he is willing to negotiate with them such as in Egypt.

    • eddie47d

      More trash talk from ChuckB.

    • Randy W

      eddie: Oh Tony you are sad for Bush golfed more

      As of September 3, 2012, Obama had played 104 rounds of golf in less than one full term. GW Bush played golf 32 times during his two terms.

  • TIME

    Dear People,

    As many of you know a little about Sandy and her effects as the mass media keeps pumping out the same story day after day.
    Well I have friends still on Long Island NY, so I am going to give you some details as the media is not doing so. Why? Who knows,.

    The home my wife and I lived in is nearly gone, the guest house is, and the stables are as well, so to is the road to it from the main island out to where we lived.
    There are few homes in that area that are still in livable condition, let alone the mass amounts of boats in folks yards ~ trees and chuncks of homes, the road that ran along the beach is gone ~ its now part of long island sound.
    The folks who bought our old home are safe and alive, As well they are quite happy that we left them the ~ three Generators & underground gas tank with a hand pump, otherwise they would be in a real SUTC momnet.

    There are thousands of trees down and these are not little trees, these are 200 – 300 year old ~ Oak & Maple trees as well fur trees.
    The home that was down the street from us is gone, as in there is nothing left of it.
    On the other side of the island where we lived there is a 95 foot long sail boat on the top of a 3 story house……… Now thats special.

    The folks that bought our old home said the sound from the tree’s snapping ~ was like being in a combat zone for 12 Plus hours.

    And thats just the tip of the ice burg. 85% of Long Island still has no power, and now little in the way of food, and guess what?
    There’s a cold front expected this weekend. So people who live there sure will not be at the NYC Marathon this weekend, but old Mush head Blumbutter somehow thinks that is far more importaint that anything else.

    Just think what its going to be like when there is a real problem that effects 60% of this nation,, Say like the New Madrid. I bet Barry will go golfing.

    Well people, Got your bus tickets yet?

    Peace and Love be with you.

    • Karolyn

      TIME – Why did you think it necessary to educate the rest of us about the devastation in the wake of Sandy? Do you think we’re all asleep? I’ve been crying every morning seeing the pictures of all my favorite childhood places gone. I have friends and relatives there. The news has been covering it very well, thank you very much. What was your point?

      • TIME

        Dear Karolyn,

        Again NOT word one ~ about the REAL parts of Long Island as in the North Shore ~ or did that part escape your mental grasp as most post on the PLD seem to?

        Oh forgive me ~ that was a rhetorical question.

        “Comprhension” ~ Oh Dear Karolyn ~ work on it.

        Peace and Love

      • Karolyn

        Don’t you feel like a phoney ending your posts with “Peace and Love?” Or is it just words with you.

      • Karolyn

        Just to assuage my curiosity, TIME, I googled hurricane damage on the North Shore. Did not look half as devastating as Staten island and Jersey to me. I also noticed the nice suburbs and some pretty well-off areas. Could it be help goes to those who need it first? Those who don’t have guest houses and generators?

  • Karolyn

    Romney used the Mormon Church as a tax shelter

    • chuckb

      karolyn, were you as concerned with barry and his financial concerns, tax shelters, proof of citizenship, etc. when he ran for election? i don’t think so.

  • Karolyn
    • Tony Newbill

      Karolyn OH that CUTS into your FREEBIES called entitlement programs ??? Dang it that was Not His Money to start with was it ??? And he owes the Entitlement establishment right ??? I say this is a sign that needs not More BIG Government but a REFORM of the current Beggers society of GIFTS and make them all more self rlelaint and their dignity will emerge the WINNER !!!!!

    • eddie47d

      I reckon Tony will be first in line to collect his entitlements if he hasn’t already. That is like all the Republican Governors who said they would never take government help or aide but then did. Remember Perry? On the other subject : Was it really his money or was it those loopholes that allowed him to do so!

      • Tony Newbill

        LOOPHOLES be damned SIR the MONEY , Formation of capital around an Idea , ALL of it begins with the Individual not the Government so what the LOOP HOLES are for is to keep the Government from Usurping it completely and then politicizing the return of it in some manner that deems it a gift from the GODs of GOVERNMENT Get out of your Mindset EDDIE and back yourself up with your own Confidence not what You think you can GET from Government , man remember what JFK said ?????

      • eddie47d

        I am now on Medicare (this year) if that is what you are talking about in government services or are you again making wild assumptions?

  • JeffH


    “The SEALs removed one threat to America, now it’s time for the voters to remove the other.” – Retired Navy SEAL Brad Nagel

    Veterans for a Strong America has filmed a shocking interview with Navy SEALs who tell the TRUTH about the Obama Administration and the incredible danger it poses to America.

    These guys know the facts. They were silenced by their service. But they refuse to remain quiet any longer. The stakes are simply too high.

    “Obama’s love affair with the Muslim Brotherhood poses a clear and present danger to America, but worst of all are the lies and failure to act, especially in Benghazi, that got my buddies KILLED,” says Brad Nagel, 20 year Navy veteran and former SEAL

    “If Obama sent Ambassador Stephens to a death sentence mission in Benghazi; what will he be willing to do to the American people to appease what appear to be deep Muslim Brotherhood ties?” – asked former Navy SEAL Benjamin Smith.

    We are simply a bunch of prior service and retired military guys who are afraid for our country. We are not wealthy. Many of us struggle just to get by. We simply do not have the funds to get this video out.

    We were silenced during our years in the service. But the oath we took to protect and defend the Constitution DEMANDS that we speak out now, to protect America.

    “Veterans for a Strong America” Ad Hammering Obama Goes Viral; More Ads Like It May be Coming – Video

  • SJJolly

    Perhaps the American public is ignoring Libya and other right-wing hot-subjects, because, after 4 years of the Republican right sliming Obama on every possible occasion, for every possible reason, in what amounts to Karl Rove-style permanent election campaign negative attack ads. they have long since tuned them out. IOW, only those who want to believe them ate still paying attention.


    Sandy has added to the misery and tragedy that has been suffered during this regime, the oil spill, the economy, loss of American life, fiscal ineptness, lies, deceptions, no transparency and a man who should have never been allowed to run as a POTUS candidate, a Fraud, a marketed leftist lie sympathetic to the intolerant cult of islam.

    We are witnessing the fall of a huge scheme to defraud this nation of it’s wealth, heritage, history and culture a massive lie with so many facets that when it is all revealed it will astound the world, it will make us look foolish and unable to govern ourselves, it will exhibit the fact that we have forgotten that a uneducated populace with no moral compass is a nation in decline…We the People will be a long time in remaking what we have failed to heed….

  • chuckb

    the biggest fear of all, to think we have so many people who are willing to re=elect a man who has deceived the nation, drove the economy into the brink of depression, shut down our energy suppy while spending almost every day of his white house occupancy in the effort to get re-elected. (that is when he wasn’t on vacation or playing golf) he has used this nations money and material to supply the muslim brotherhood to occupy one country after another in the middle east. and to top it all, he allowed our people to die while refusing them aid , then lied to the the country and the world.
    these so called americans are willing to elect him him for another four years

  • erinsgram

    Precious, your post is a mockery to my Lord, Jesus Christ. He never preached hate, He won people with love.

    We need only judge people by their fruits. I have examined Obama’s fruits very carefully and they are rotten to the core. I have examined Romney’s fruits and I find integrity, a belief in God, a wonderful work ethnic, respect for others and he certainly does not have the foul mouth Obama has.

    If you would bother to read your Bible you would not be so easily deceived. Start with Proverbs.

    Yes, I am a Christian and I believe Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontious Pilate, was crucified and was buried. On the third day He rose again from the dead and ascended into Heaven and from thence He will come to judge the living & the dead.

    Do you honestly believe Obama believes any of that? Don’t be so naive.

    • Karolyn

      Are you serious? St. Willard,right? It must be nice to have esp and know what is in people’ hearts as well as know what they say when no one’s listening

    • deerinwater

      I don’t know what Bronco Obama believes but if you want to believe that stuff , I would never attempt to stop you. It’s called being an American and living in America. Do you have a problem with that?

    • deerinwater

      erinsgarm says’ ” . I have examined Romney’s fruits and I find integrity, a belief in God, a wonderful work ethnic, respect for others and he certainly does not have the foul mouth Obama has.” I don’t believe that you are looking hard enough.

      Do you really believe people become dripping wealthy in 30 years by being a “good guy”? Willard help screw hard working Americans out of the savings in pension funds. At one time when America was at it’s zenith, workers invested in their employers understanding that profits would be shared according to “gains” and the amount invested. ~ That Reagan era of hostile take- overs and sell off and junk bonds that MITT ROMNEY was up to his neck in, ~ took workers money and took their job. ~ and you think that is just wonderful?

      Well vote for Willard then, ~ and someday I hope you learn a lesson about who to trust the hard way.

      And the is no Book of Mormon in the bible.

      • Ted Crawford

        Oh you mean as opposed to Obama’s deal with GM? Remember, he insisted that he needed to take quick action to “prevent bsnkruptcy” ? What he did, in actuality was to buy, (withour money) control for the Treasury department of the bankruptcy. Where they stole tens of billions of Dollars from our retirement funds, and handed it to the very Unions that were a primary factor in the collapse!

  • jopa

    Looks like the lies of the Romney campaign are starting to hit him where it hurts most.He tried to tell the voters in Ohio that their Chrysler Jeep jobs were going to China, and that was an outright lie that an executive at Chrysler came forward and called him an outright lying turd.I guess Romney didn’t realize the voters in Ohio are not stupid as he thinks and they always know what is going on in the automotive world.Seems as though the only ones he is really fooling are the members of his own party, the low or perhaps the wrong information voter.You can fool some of the people some of the time.

    • deerinwater
    • JeffH

      jopa, seems the only one showing stupidity is you for parroting your sources of misinformation. MSNBC?

      Read it, watch it…the truth will set you free! How’s that “turd” tasting?

      In a Bloomberg interview, Jeep’s president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China. “Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region,” reported the business wire service.

      Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia and president of the Jeep brand, told Bloomberg, “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio” to China.

      Chrysler builds Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley said the firm is in talks with China’s Guangzhou Automobile Group Co.

      This doesn’t sound like “Ohioans, you’re losing your jobs because Chrysler is moving their operations out of the US to China…read it:

      “Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job,” the ad says.

      What’s in there that’s false? Are they [going to be] building Jeeps in China or not?” a Romney aide asked. “I think a lot of Ohioans are wondering why we can’t make Jeeps here and ship them to China, just like they are wondering why we can’t make [any product] in this country and export them to China.”

      According to Fiat/Chrysler they’re giving it some very serious thought!

      • jopa

        Well little Jeffy crawled out of his brothers basement to make some more bogus claims I see.Jeeps will be made in China that will be sold on the Chinese market and no Jeep jobs will be lost in America because of that.Nice try little guy, how’s Mutt these days??

      • JeffH

        Hey dummy…a little comprehension can go a long way…try some!

        Romney never said Americans were losing their jobs over Jeeps being built in China…but you liberal progressives are too ignorant to figure that part out.

        Can’t figure out the progressive Ilogic…but I do understand the ignorance and the hate…gotta be some inbreeding in your genes somewhere.

      • eddie47d

        Oh please Jeff those ads were run in Denver and approved by Romney on Jeep/jobs going to China. Jopa is right!

      • DaveH

        It’s impossible, Jeff, to know which of these Liberal Progressive posters are just ignorant, and which are purposely trying to deceive people for personal gain (such as welfare recipients, administration shills, government workers, etc.). And some are no doubt a combination of the two.

      • JeffH

        DUH eddie…comprehend what was said, not what you thought you heard!

      • Ted Crawford

        What Romney didn’t point out, nor have many others, is that the “sale(?)” to Fiat, was , for the American taxpayer, a ’0′ sum deal! Absent the Government bailout, with taxpayer dollars, it would be a different situation!
        The simple fact is that jobs that could and should have been created in America will now be created in China! That’s not so surprizing, given that Chrysler is now a foreign owned company! THANK YOU Mr. Obama!
        Obama reminds me of Charlie Sheen! Remember ” WORKING” , even as his situation deteriorated? Obama claims that his irresponsible foolishness is working, in spite of all facts!

    • DaveH

      Who knows which Crony Politician is lying to us? They both lie to benefit themselves.
      Forbes weighs in on the Chrysler issue:

    • DaveH

      Jopa says — “an executive at Chrysler came forward and called him [Romney] an outright lying turd”.
      If you read the article I linked to, Jopa, you will find that the executive’s vulgar response was to Donald Trump not Romney.

      • jopa

        DaveH You are correct in that the Chrysler exec. did say that about Donald Grump in that Mr. Grump was touting the lies of the Romney campaign ads about Ohio Jeep jobs going to China.That however makes both of them full of [comment has been edited] (turds).Why can’t they just be honest in their campaigns like the Democrats.Oh yes that’s right, they don’t want facts to get in the way.That is why they are slipping on the polls nobody wants to be lied to and Ohio autoworkers being lied to may have just cost him his campaign by him thinking they were stupid.

      • JeffH

        jopa, unlike you I’m willing to give the majority of Ohioan voters the benefit of being able to think and comprehend exactly what was said…able to see thru the spin and outright lies that you’ve obviously been manipulated to parrot.

  • DaveH

    Here’s yet another example of Big Government meddling and creating an unnecessary situation:

    “Gas station owners aren’t purchasing extra fuel because owners would have to pay premium prices for it. Emergency price gouging laws have prohibited owners from forwarding the extra cost onto their customers. Lenard accuses anti-price gouging politicians like NJ Governor Chris Christie of demonizing gas station owners for their own political gain”.

  • Jayson

    Flashy says : DaveH….Bush may be gone, all that mans is he and Cheney are no longer placed to screw it up more than they did. they crippled this nation…the effects are not short term, they are not minor, they are not over with.

    It was not just George W. Bush and Cheney, Flashy. Had the majority of either the Republican-controlled House or the Democratic-controlled Senate voted against the resolution authorizing the invasion, all the tragic events that have unfolded as a consequence of the March 2003 invasion would have never taken place.

    The responsibility for the deaths of over 4,400 American soldiers, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, the waste of nearly ONE TRILLION DOLLARS of our national treasury and the rise of terrorism and Islamist extremism that has come as a result of the US invasion and occupation of Iraq, rests as much in the hands of the members in Congress who authorized the invasion as it does with the administration that requested the lawmakers’ approval. The October 2002 resolution authorizing the invasion
    had the support of the majority of DEMOCRATIC SENATORS, as well as the support of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERSHIP in BOTH the House and the Senate.

    Bush did not, act alone, and neither does Obama.

  • Bimbam


    We had an ILLEGAL president the first 4 years. No BC, no college records, no vetting of any kind.

    Now we will have a FRAUDULENT president the next 4 years. There are reports Demoncraps are committing massive fraud and deceit of any kind to get obamA elected.

    We had a diplomat and SEALS murdered on his watch, including the largest contigency of SEALS ever killed in war.

    The largest storm ever to hit U.S. decimated the East coast on his watch.

    The largest debt of ANY nation has seen on his watch.

    When he is re-elected will he curse this nation with another Civil War?

    • http://google redbull

      Demorats, from the time of the “party;s” beginnidruggary, including murderng, has involved with stealing ballot boxes and other sommunist in the 1872 election for Pres. from the demoratpartykull duggary. They claim to be for middle class wouking peaple, but they only want no minded followers. Pefernce is idoits, who beleive government pencil pushers know what is best and what people need. The registered communist democrat Presidental canidate of the 1972 election, was a real moron, who was another “professor” out of a college. Only he had done something in life besides play golf and spout lies on everything So does any media or socialist/communist make a peep about watching real time murder of American citizens, but can go to sleep and head to land of legal prostitution out west, Wahington , is only for prostitution of everyday citizens, who have to pay for their own screwing.

  • jopa

    I saw an ad earlier about embassies and consulate attacks so I did a little checking.Apparently this is a rather common factor in the world we live in.During the Bush years there were 11 Embassies that were attacked 53 died and there were 90 wounded.Rumsfeld came out recently and said that the Benghazi attack was a sign of weakness when in fact under his watch there were eight attacks and a lot more died.A little hypocritical if I may say.Or is there just a lot more smoke being blown in the air because of the elections or perhaps because the President is way ahead in the polls and receiving all these endorsements from such folks as Bloomberg, Colin Powell and even the Keynote speaker at the GOP convention Chris Christie.And that last one was huge,no pun intended.He let the world know how great Obama works in times of National Tragedy.

    • Randy W

      Jopa says: “even the Keynote speaker at the GOP convention Chris Christie.And that last one was huge,no pun intended.”

      Christie praised Obama’s efforts on relief efforts but endorses Romney.

      • Ted Crawford

        Given his Panic strickened pandering to Omama, in the aftermath of Sandy, his endorsement is meaningless! His frightened,wildeyed response to this situation simply points out that he is superficial, and (according to many Jersey residents) incompetent when dealing with emergency situations! He should never again be allowed to hold any position that requires executive decision making!
        His success with the fiscal problems in New Jersey indicates he would be a valuable advisor on economic situations, but keep him far away from any situations that require the act of thinking on the move!

  • jopa

    Latest breaking news.Karl Rove is blaming Hurricane Sandy for Romney’s loss for the Presidential bid.I think he will lose because he wants the voucher system for Medicare,overhaul Medicaid,Give our Social Security funds to Wall Street.He is not just bad for seniors but for anyone with a mortgage or wanting to go on to college.He is just plain outright bad for America.

    • DaveH

      Romney wants a voucher system for Medicare?
      So what do you have against people making their own choices, Jopa? I thought you Liberal Progressives were for “choice”?

      • DaveH

        Of course I’m being sarcastic, because I know that Liberal Progressives abhor “choice” unless it’s their own.


    Hey Jopa you should have watched the debates,then you would have all the facts correct with reguards to S.S.!!Those people that are now recievieing S.S.there will be no changes made.Even those that are near retirement age!!!Hurricane Sandy could be another back-lash for obobo,,there were things that could have been done days ,before Sandy came ashore,that weren’t done !!

  • jopa

    Now and: You claim there were things that could have been done long before the storm that could hurt Obama.Well it just so happens the only one complaining about the way things were done was by “Heck of a job there Brownie.” from the Bush administration.He said the Obama administration started working on the crisis too soon.His quote and it doesn’t make any sense to me either!!The other criticism is the praise by Christie to Obama for doing such a great job and that irritates the Right to high Heaven.When it comes to Social Security I did watch the debates and I don’t trust Romney on anything he said the way he flip flops from day to day.The guy is a total joke.

    • DaveH

      Nice side-stepping, Jopa. It’s hard to pin you down, isn’t it? Talk about flip-flopping. Are you related to Romney?

    • Ted Crawford

      I’ve struggled to solve this seeming paradox surrounding Christie. How could a man who willingly step into what was a daunting fiscal situation like New Jersey, and in less than a year create such a dramatic turn around, become the teary eyed man that he was in the aftermath of Sandy? ?
      Only one answer presents itself here; In the case of New Jerseys financial woos, it was already a well established fact. Christie had plenty of time to evaluate and solve for it. Sandy, on the other hand was an emergency situation that allowed for only partial prior planning. Christie, it seems became overwhelmed and panicked!
      In his panic and desperation, he begain to beg Obama for money. Money, by the way that Obama would have provided in any case, not for Christies , or even New Jerseys benifit, but for his re-election hopes! It seems that Christies actions were designed, in part at least, for the same reason!
      I’m forced to admit that I was mistaken in my assessment of Christies leadership capabilities! Instead of being a strong and firm organizer, he is what the Progressives said he was, A loud mouthed, thuggish bully, after the fashion of Rham Emmanual, Richard Trumpka , ETC. ! With those qualities he would be well advised to join the Progressive party!
      If the People of New Jersey wish to keep him in their Government, that is their right! Should Christy attempt to take his act to the National stage, I will immediately and vigorously, organize as much opposition as possible! Stay in Jersey Christie, we already have enough incompetent personnel at the Federal level !

      • Dorian Douglas

        Ted Crawford.

        Interesting thoughts.

        I have an alternative (admittedly unsubstantiated) theory.

        Is it possible that when the governor called the White House, the Pres demanded fealty in return for providing the response he was required to provide anyway????? Because now that the governor got his aid, he has re-endorsed Romney.

  • jopa

    What Romney said in the debates may not apply today.His promises not to touch the older seniors SS,Medicare or Medicaid are always on the table with this guy.He would have to be the least trusted person in America today with his flip flopping.

  • Elda

    This country has passed over the line that separates those that wish government involvement in every aspect of their lives and those that wish small government. We are kidding ourselves when we think the majority want the government to stay completely out of our every day lives. Unions were, once upon a time, very important in the work place safety and fair pay issues. But now government regulations take care of all of that. Now unions hold citizens hostage forcing tax payers to pay for wages and benefits that are unsustainably high and are the reason many states and the national debt are crushing us and by sustaining the party that for the most part ifs responsible for that destruction. In order to pay this ever climbing debt and to stay in power to keep it climbing the Progressives have destroyed our border safety and gone so far as to encourage illegal immigration. They have attacked every aspect of life and now those that wish true freedom are in the slight minority. The silver lining I see is that the majority will destroy itself because of its dependence on others and those that wish for freedom from government control will rise again and reestablish the nation as it was founded and we will begin this process all over again.

  • http://N/A Thomas

    This pile of dung that is sitting in the White House murdered 4 Americans in Benghazi
    There are millions of patriotic Americans who will never forget this act of treason.This
    man is nothing but a scumbag.Oh,and all you liberals I’d love to know how you’s feel a
    couple of years down the road.Get ready to be thrown under the bus now that your no
    longer needed.What fools you are.

  • bobbyp

    Anyone with any common sense knew from the start the Benghazi, Libya attack on our embassy was a planned attack to coincide with the Twin Towers attack of 9/11/2001 & barack hussein obama, hillary clinton. jay carney, susan rice & the msm should apologize to the man they accused that his film incited the attack in Benghazi,Libya in truth the other demonstrations in other muslim countries was caused by these lying Un-American idiots popping off to the world that the film was the cause when they knew it wasn’t the cause & these other demonstations in other muslim countries would possibly never have happened if they hadn’t broadcast their LIES to the world that a film on YouTube was the cause. I wonder how long it took them to find the film on You Tube to take the blame for obamas constant bragging that he killed Osama Bin Laden & or Ghadaffi was the real cause of the attack. They probably had this film in their binder files just to publish for an event just like what happened to cover their behinds. But that is the way the democrats & obama operate it wasn’t me it was someone or something else. Obama lied on the Letterman show while Letterman & his ignorant audience clapped approval. Here’s the Letterman goon show site on YouTube link below. When obama refers to the shadowy character on the video I thought to myself obama is the real shadowy character. .

  • Bill Metcalf

    People died;Obama lied (and I question that) is better than Bush LIED AND PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE OF THOSE LIES.

  • http://timewarner Annie Ironside



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