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Peace In Our Time

March 3, 2011 by  

Peace In Our Time

In 2009, the Nobel Committee awarded that year’s coveted peace prize to President Barack Obama of the United States of America for:

“…his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.”

At least two nations have brazenly begun developing nukes since Obama took up residence in the White House. So… how’s that world without nukes working out for you, Mr. President?

Keep in mind, at the moment Obama snared the Stanley Cup of Statesmanship he had been playing above the minor league level for a solid four years — placing him in the esteemed company of such noteworthy dignitaries as Jimmy Carter (presumably, Obama doesn’t hate Jews quite as much as the Bumpkin from Plains, Ga.).

It should be noted that the Nobel Prize has also been handed to ex-Vice President and globetrotting hypocrite Al Gore for his inane and pseudo-scientific lecture series: “An Inconveniently Manipulated Mass of Purely Anecdotal Evidence.” Sadly, much like the cash prize which accompanies it, the Nobel Prize just ain’t worth what it used to be.

Hell, they even buried Islamofascist terrorist Yasser Arafat with a Nobel. If Osama bin Laden gets photographed shaking hands with Jerry Seinfeld, will his Nobel be in the mail?

 Flash forward to March, 2011, and Obama’s Season of Hope has degraded into the spring of his discontent. The man who was hailed by Leftists foreign and domestic as everything from the savior of earthly peace to the savior of mankind itself (thereby usurping the Savior of Mankind) now faces a planet which is rapidly spinning out of control.

Last Thanksgiving Kim Jong Il, who splits his time between owning North Korea and shopping for track suits in the big’n'tall section at Tinpots’R'Us, decided to ring in the ascension of his “son” Kim Jong-un by shelling South Korea. Even the Chicoms, the only real friends Jong Il has left (in this dimension), were a bit concerned. Nobel Prizewinner Obama “deplored” the evil dwarf of the North’s actions, then… flew to Indiana to visit an auto plant.

Speaking of creepy little dictators, when thousands of Iranians took to the streets Tuesday in Tehran to protest both the continued repression of liberty in that Islamofascist republic and as a continuation of the 2009 protests of Dictator Ahmadinejad’s bald-faced theft of the elections, the hard-liners again opened fire. Obama kept to the theme established by his administration during the recent upheaval across the Middle East, and responded by… asking Americans to stop “vilifying” the union thugs running rampant in Wisconsin.

Libya is falling apart, and beginning to show signs of becoming an al-Qaida Caliphate. According to Al Arabiya:

“Al-Qaeda (sic) has established an emirate in Derna led by Abdelkarim al-Hasadi, a former Guantanamo detainee… they have begun to impose the burqa and have executed people who refuse to cooperate with them."

Obama has responded with murmurs of financial sanctions, including freezing Libyan assets (which worked so well against Castro, Botha, Mugabe, Assad and North Korea’s Kim boys, to name a few). During the presidency of George W. Bush — who never won a Nobel — Moammar Gadhafi shut down his weapons of mass destruction program and hid under the table. Now, likely emboldened by Obama’s transparent rhetoric, Gaddafi is mowing down opponents with impunity.

Islamofascism is threatening to topple regimes from Tunisia to Pakistan. Even the Saudis just wrote a “please don’t kill us” check for $36 billion last week.

Granted, the Saudis can probably dig $36 billion out of their couch cushions, but the fact that they felt compelled to do so is noteworthy. Oman, Yemen and cute little Bahrain are facing possible revolutions.

While the unrest in those locales serves to give network talking heads a chance to employ Google Earth at a whole new level — not to mention the opportunity to name-drop King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa (which never gets old, by the way), it suggests a geopolitical situation which has spiraled beyond our grasp.

We’re still fighting in Afghanistan. Actually, we’re still fighting in Iraq, despite Obama’s lamentable efforts to convince us otherwise.

When Obama was elected, his sycophants assured us that his ascent would restore America’s good name across the world. If Obama’s Operation Restore Prestige is going to start, it had better happen soon. Perhaps he should focus on the declining respect his ineptitude has engendered in the Middle East; as opposed to defending union thugs in the Midwest.

The way he’s going, he might as well open discussions with the Islamofascists about annexing the Sudetenland.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • s c

    Where’s my NPP, Ben? While I’m no saint, I’ve always wanted earth to be a peaceful place. How am I not qualified to have my own NPP?
    I’ve never leveraged my reputation with pc politics so I could be seen as God’s gift to a world gone mad. Shucks, I can recognize a bust of Thomas Jefferson the first time I see it.
    I do draw the line at hugging a tree, and my standards for my friends is a bit higher than the
    current denizens of the White House. I promise not to smile while I wield a machete or a big knife behind my back.
    I promise not to travel around the world on the backs of America’s taxpayers. A plane loaded with booze, vehicles and guards isn’t a priority. And, I promise never to say this and mean that.
    I’ll even wash dishes and take out the trash. Like they say down south, I’ll treat you so many ways you’ll have to like at least one of them. Man, I’m good. So, where’s my NPP, and when can I expect to have it, Ben?

    • Warrior

      Aside from the million dollar prize money, I think I would still rather have my fantasy football championship trophy. At least I earned it!

    • eddie47d

      There are no union Thugs in Wisconsin Ben Crystal. Only Americans on both sides who think they are getting screwed. Take a deep breath Ben and chill out for Wisconsin is our American process in action. There was a little bit of underhanded “thuggery” used from the other side also if you would care to notice. If you don’t like our (America’s) ability to actively debate the issues and address wrongs then maybe you belong in another country.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Saw them on TV last nite . . . looked just like “thugs” . . . or . . . maybe they were just educated in Wisconsin by the leftist loons.

  • Dawn Marie

    WHAT IS AN npp??

    • Al Sieber

      Marie, it’s the Nobel Peace Prize.

      • patricia

        Peace prize? That’s the first time someone got a peace prize for causing hazardous situations in Arizona, supporting the enemy, causing unrest throughout the US, not to mention make the worst mess of diplomacy this country has ever seen…..if that’s yor idea of peace, you are very welcome to leave…old US custom!

        • Kate8

          patricia- The NPP is a joke. It’s hard to imagine that Obama could accept it with a straight face.

          But then, he accomplished in the art of deception. After all, he trained for it all his life.

        • Vigilant

          As I recall, Obama was barely in office, before he had a chance to do anything, when the prize was awarded. It was said at the time that it was like giving an Academy Award to a new director in hopes that he would make some really good movies.

  • 1minuteman

    the nobel prize is a total joke made obvious by picking obama. i totally believe obama and friends like ayers, code pink, union leaders, soros and the muslim brotherhood were all behind the muslim caliphate. this is obam’s way of dealing with israel which i know he hates. if we could see the video of professor khalidi’s party where obama was the keynote speaker the truth would come out. a total israeli bash party. the los angeles times has the video but wont release it. they had it before the election but refused to show it becasue they know it would have killed obam’s presidency. a writer from the times admitted he saw the video and said what it was about but said they would not release it. some news paper obama should have got the nobel war prize not peace. show me some place in the world he has caused peace. none to find.

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    Good article!_For as Many of the progressives that appear on this site, it should be becoming fairly clear that the Good Lord works through people. Personal Liberty has been warning us, as well as G. Beck of the coming insurrection in the Middle East. ( I can hear the Libs whining Now).
    Two Iranian war ships moved through the Suez canal and into the Mediterranean Sea about a week ago. Five US Warships have recently moved into the area as well. http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/03/02/56403/
    I think the US warships are there for a few reasons, one to, keep an eye on Iranian ships,(tongue in cheek)not that they would take advantage of Libya’s vulnerability or anything, to aid Libya, protect our oil interests, and throw a scare at Gaddafi.
    BTW_I absolutely hate that the US is constantly poking they’re nose in other Countries, but can we sit idly by, and knowingly watch a crazed dictator mow down his own people, who have no self defense of they’re own? Answer is, No we can’t_ and we haven’t seen any other Country step up to the plate and offer Libya assistance.
    On another note, I have to agree with Ben, Obama’s handling of the situation is inexperience at it’s finest. Sanctions??? Really?_-Thats a slap on the wrist!!! But_Now there is talk of possibly implementing a no fly zone in Libya.
    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/SenatorGrahamNo-FlyZoneLibya/2011/03/03/id/388146
    Either way, as much a s I hate to say it, Becks insight into all the Mideast up heavel, seems to be coming to pass. I wish like hell he was wrong, but he isn’t.

    • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com/ Patriot1776

      Here we go again with the Neo-Cons saying we should get involved with another foreign entanglement! Bill Kristol is leading the charge to send our military might over-seas again to police the worlds problems when we can’t even figure out how to solve our own.
      What exactly is the problem with letting the people of the middle east set up and tear down the government as they see fit? Why do so many of you think that WE should be their dictators and decide for them how to, and who will run their country? I know it is taboo nowadays as a conservative to state the fact that it is precisely our foreign policy decisions that have created these enemies in the middle east, and the rest of the world for that matter. What makes our need for oil and resources more important that anyone else’s? If we really wanted to solve our energy problems we would DEMAND our government get out of the business of policing the world and dictating to us what resources we at home can and cannot use! We have MORE than enough oil and natural resources to support ourselves.
      As for the people being slaughtered by their own government in Libya, I would love to help them but WE ARE FAR BEYOND BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can’t afford it anymore! The U.S. is bankrupt and so far in debt we will need a miracle to get out from under our debt before it crushes us. We spend more on “defense” in this country than the rest of the world COMBINED! Not to mention the fact that MORE intervention into the SOVEREIGN AFFAIRS of another country will only serve to create more enemies to fight later. Do you really still believe that the muslim terrorists hate us because we are free? How does that even make sense? They hate us because we go into their countries and tell them how its going to be, take their resources, and set up dictators friendly to us to “protect out interests”. I’m sure you would like it if China were to do the same to us, right? Let me get this straight. We HATE it when the government comes into our States and towns and tells us what we can or cannot do. But we love it when our government goes to another country and does the same thing? How does that make sense? The last thing we need to do is expand our empire. We need to scale it back if we want to survive. Don’t get me wrong, I am all for a strong defense. That should be the SECOND directive of our Federal Government. The FIRST being to SECURE OUR LIBERTY!!! Not ensure it will be lost by running a world empire, bankrupting the Treasury, and over-regulating EVERY aspect of it’s citizens lives. Including the resources needed to sustain our economy, fuel our homes, and conduct business

  • Al Sieber

    This president is for anything but peace, who the hell decides who’s eligible? I nominate s c.

    • Jeep

      I’ll second that nomination, Al.

      • Carlucci

        Me too.

        • Kate8

          Al – Heck with the peace prize. Let’s elect him President.

          I’ll bet he even has a birth certificate.

          • Al Sieber

            Then it’s unanimous, s c gets the NPP.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Al Sieber,
            Sorry sc, but you aren’t elegible by the latest rules. You have actually tried to talk peace with somebody! You have not tried to forceably abscond with someones tax money. most important of all, you have held audience here for far too long!!!

  • Alex

    Silly goose —our country has no business deciding which nations may or may not have nuclear weapons. We need to step aside and allow the more civilized countries to formulate a workable worldwide nuclear disarmament policy.

    After all, the White Estates of Amerika is the ONLY nation to EVER drop atomic bombs on ANYBODY ANYWHERE, and we chose two cities full of sleeping babies and old women three days apart! For those reasons alone our wretched and duplicitous nation must recuse its bad self from any real discussion on nuclear armaments.

    And, please, , don’t use the tired old “by dropping the two bombs on Japan we shortened the war and saved hundreds of thousands of lives” story that so many in this lost nation use to assauge our collective guilt.

    President Truman’s own diaries, of course, give lie to to the myth of an “atomic necessity”. He knew, along with most of the War Department, that Japan was prepared to sue for peace. The only reason we dropped the two bombs on the noncombatants was to fire a shot across the bow of the Soviets as a warning against any postwar land-grabs. That’s right, folks: we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians to make a point.

    That is why we must allow the more cilvilized nations of the world to determine our non-nuclear future. That means we will eventually welcome inspectors into our weapons facilities to make sure we are in compliance. Should we be found not in compliance by keeping nuclear weapons of mass destruction, we should expect a Coalition of the Willing to beat the crap out of us and kill our leaders.

    We shall reap what we sow.

    • Katrina

      Alex, You sound like me thirty years ago after graduating from one of our great universities. It took me a couple of decades to rehab. It started when I had children and became an entrepreneur providing jobs to many in our community. But this is America and we are about tolerance and differences of opinions. So I support your right to believe what you want, or what you have been told, so long as it does not infringe upon my right to do the same. So in the spirit of open dialogue, please name for me the nations you consider to be “the more civilized countries to formulate a workable worldwide nuclear disarmament policy.” And who decides which countries will make up this group of “more civilized nations?” Just wondering.

    • Alan

      Why is it that the TYPE of weapon used is the main point in the debate on the cause of civilian casualties in war? The “non-nuclear” fire-bombings of Tokyo in Japan and Dresden & Hamburg in Germany during WWII; initially killed more civilians than both of the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima & Nagasaki combined.

      Had Truman ordered Hiroshima & Nagasaki fire-bombed in lieu of being “nuked” would you be as incensed as you are now regarding nuclear weapons? You are an idiot if you don’t see the danger in allowing people whom are mentally living in the 6th century; people that see no issue killing innocent men, women, & children in the most barbarous means, to possess WMD’s.

      • Bruce D.

        “The invasion of Iwo Jima caused 6,200 American deaths, and the U. S. outnumbered the Japanese by four to one. Okinawa cost 13,000 U. S. servicemen, and they outnumbered the Japanese by two and one-half to one. These 13,000 men made up more than 35% of the U. S. landing force. Consequently, Admiral Leahy came to the conclusion that it was absurd to think that any less than 35% of the American force that invaded Japan would be killed. Based on the estimate of 560,000 Japanese soldiers on Kyushu as of early August, Leahy predicted that at very minimum over 250,000 American soldiers would lie dead as a result of an invasion of the Japanese islands.”

        • Alex

          You’re not listening, Bruce—-no invasion of the Japanese mainland was necessary. The result of a peace treaty would have led to the same occupation of Japan that came after our twin terrorist bombings.

          And, yes, as another writer pointed out, the firebombings of Tokyo (as well as other cities in Japan and Germany) were horrible. One major difference, of course, is the lingering effects of radiation. Another is the newness, the novelty, of the damn things—-the supposed most advanced nation on Earth opens the Pandora’s Box of Evil, and then wants EVERYBODY else to show restraint. Typical American myopia.

          Just think for a moment of that monument to American Infectualism; the Neutron Bomb. We develop a weapon that will kill evry LIVING thing within a given radiius—yet leave the material goods intact. So American! SO Capitalist!! Just march right in over the corpses and set up shop!
          We signed our Death Warrant with the Gods when we came up with that one—-surely no Great Creator could stomach (do Gods have stomachs?) the wretchedness of a nation like ours, willing to kill everything in town but leave the barbecue grills serviceable. The horror!

          Paul Tibbetts, pilot of the Enola Gay, claims to have had no regrets whatsoever regarding the mission he and his crew undertook for Evil. Do you think he may have changed his mind, seeing as he is being raked over the coals of Hell for Eternity?

          • Bruce D.

            Paul Tibbets did his job and I respect him for that. Alex you should not presume that you speak for God or have the moral authority to do so. That is just foolishness on your part.

          • Alan

            Alex,

            Both Germany and Japan were engaged in “secret” attempts to build their own Atomic weapons; hoping to beat the the U.S. to the punch. Can you even imagine, based on factual evidence of the severe brutality of both Hitler’s Nazi Germany & Hirohito’s Japanese Empire, towards anyone they ran into; what they would done possessing nuclear weapons? You and I would mot be here typing this exchange via the Internet today.

            As to the Neutron Bomb; what a coup for the brain-dead. Carter wanted to deploy the Neutron Bomb with Europe’s NATO forces. Yet, the dumba$$ citizens protested it out; while at the same time living with the threat of low & large yield nuclear weapons aimed that their cities. A weapon where a single warhead will devastate and kill EVERYTHING within a 2-5 mile radius, and create fallout with radioactivity lasting many years. The Neutron Bomb delivers a dose of high-intensity, short-lived radiation (hours) with a kill zone of roughly 300 yards. It was designed to stop a very large force of advancing troops on a battlefield.

            Use of the conventional warheads leaves a rather large area uninhabitable for decades; the Neutron Bomb (no fallout) allows habitation within 1-2 days, and no dwellings, businesses, or factories destroyed.

            Therefore, it appears that the “brain dead” in Europe would rather have a nuclear detonation a few miles away that will, most likely, still kill them; yet rant & rave about a nuclear detonation at the same distance that will no affect them in the slightest. If you had to choose which device explodes within 1-3 miles from your position … which would it be?

          • Bruce D.

            I like the Asian culture but Japan today is different from the Japan prior to WWII.
            “The Japanese army was already training its civilians to fight with sharpened bamboo poles. According to samurai tradition, there was no more honorable way to die than to do so for Japan and the emperor, and the civilians were quite prepared to take this philosophy to heart. Using sharpened pikes the Japanese could easily prevent a military government from being effective in those towns which the U. S. captured. Futher, and even more brutal, was the training of young children to be “Sherman carpets.” Japanese children were to be strapped with TNT and throw themselves under American tanks, thereby dying in the most honorable way possible–by killing the enemy. It can be assumed that at least as many civilians would have died as soldiers, bringing the totals somewhere around 200,000 to four million Japanese dead, along with the 50,000 to one million American dead, totaling 250,000 to five million total dead”.

          • Jeep

            “Duty is heavier than a mountain…while death is light as a feather.”

          • eddie47d

            BruceD. Many on this site speak like they have the moral authority to speak for God. What would God do? I don’t think he is very happy about what we are doing with His earth.The good news is that the USA at least confronts these issues and tries had to do the right thing.

          • Bruce D.

            Now you presume to know what is on God’s mind Eddie. Maybe he doesn’t like little Marxists running around claiming the rights of redistribution. If we are all allowed to have a presumption here that would be mine.

          • Dale on the left coast

            Alex . . . without the A bombs . . . there would have been no surrender. It could have taken YEARS to secure the mainland and a MILLION lives could have been lost.
            The “Chosen Won” is the most Clueless leader the US has ever had . . .

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            Read the Bible and serve God and you might get some idea of what He wants of people. Guessing is somethng that anyone can do – and generally that “guess” always coincides with what they want themselves. You are no different after reading what you wrote.

          • Richard Pawley

            I mentioned in my autobiography a co-worker and friend of my wife who survived in a cave, one of the nuclear weapons we dropped on Japan. She is now a retired professor and believes the cult of the emperor was so strong that at least a million Americans would die and even more Japanese because they would fight to the death had we not dropped the two bombs. We can always look in hindsight and say what might have been but that is a sure way to failure. One of the secrets of success is to deal with people, places, and things, as they are, and not as we want them to be. (Said that in my book too). Although we could have a nuclear war that will not be the cause of the destruction of human life on earth (although in “Space and Beyond” the Epilogue of LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA I point out how the Spirit of the Lord told me one day in 2003 that “There is much life in the Universe but it is very far away. Because of the age old problem of good versus evil most civilizations that have reached the atomic age have destroyed themselves. The nearest sentient life is over 500 light years. The nearest life technologically equivalent to earth is over 1,000 light years. Mankind will never reach them but they, may, in the distant future (not in the lifetime of anyone now living) reach earth. They have become masters of space travel.” We may not be as shining of a light on the hill that we were before the international bankers took over and together with the unions began to dictate how things would be, but even Jesus told his followers that the end of the world (the end of mankind I presume) would come from a bombardment of numerous ‘stars’ (the then popular generic term for comets, meteors and asteroids) so numerous it would seem like figs falling during a storm. Even before that will come a huge something, “like a burning mountain” that will “crash into the sea and kill one third of all the creatures in the sea”. Of course those who reject God and what He has revealed to us will never be able to take advantage of this or anything spiritual but it is there for those who care enough to seek AND FIND, as is He. Many of God’s people are doing what they can to prepare for the real hard times that are coming and the tripling of prices of most things that are inevitable. Whether that will include a nuclear war I do not know. May God bless all who read this.

          • Bruce D.

            Richard Pawley says: “The nearest sentient life is over 500 light years. The nearest life technologically equivalent to earth is over 1,000 light years. Mankind will never reach them but they, may, in the distant future (not in the lifetime of anyone now living) reach earth.” Richard why do so many people feel they have been abducted and confirmed when put under hypnosis and many, in the thousands, claim to have seen UFOs of unexplainable origin. This is not a trick question. I am interested in your answer. I thought I saw a UFO one time but it happened so quickly and such a long time ago I doubt myself. I would not even bring it up but my girlfriend at that time said she saw it too.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            BruceD,
            If Kooksinich, who ran for president, says he saw one, it must be true! I mean, he wouldn’t lie or be whacked out now, would he??

    • Bruce D.

      I do not see much sympathy for the men and woman who died in Hawaii Alex. Or the 200,000 men, woman, and children the Japanese brutally killed and torched in China. The kind of torture the Japanese implemented made the water boiling of two Islamic murders seem like childs play.

      • Alex

        I have a great deal of sympathy for all dead innocents. The Japanese MILITARY did horrible things, just like we do.

        • Bruce D.

          When you say “we” Alex you assume that you and I are a part of the same “we”. Do not assume there is a “we” when it comes to you and I.

          • eddie47d

            “WE” as in all Americans take a collective part in all wars whether right or wrong. “WE” share the victories or guilt just like any country.

          • Bruce D.

            Alex has a false sense of guilt based on mindless anti-Americanism that has become part of a political strategy for the left. I am not part of that “we”. That is the problem with the left and collectivism. They want everyone to be a part of their odd ball schemes.

          • eddie47d

            Sometimes the left is far more patriotic than the right and the right shows some anti-Americanism tendencies. You collectively want everyone on this site to bash unions without a second thought about them being hard working Americans.You talk like they are from another country and don’t deserve the right to address their grievances. To many on this site everyone else is the enemy and they must be destroyed. Good grief talk about conquer and divide. Turning American against American. Some of you do the same thing with the gay issue instead of rationally accepting them as Americans (which they are).Even those who protested against the Iraq War were called commies and un-American with little discussion of the value of a false flag war.

          • Bruce D.

            That reply Eddie is mostly a creation of your mind Eddie. Teachers pay and benefits needs to be pegged to the private sector. They are civil servants. Unions became destructive when they proposed tenure. It is costly and time consuming to fire teachers so in states like New York they keep them on the payroll with some not even allowed to be in the same room with kids. Teachers brought this on themselves when they chose themselves over kids. The taxpayer has not only the right but also the duty to reign them in.

          • Bruce D.

            Dick Morris says: “Scott Walker’s proposals will dramatically improve education for children, allowing for merit pay, the firing of incompetent teachers and even school choice”.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            A few left show some patiotism – but not via unions. Unions do not show patriotism because they do nothing for the country. All union actions are for the world famous “ME!”. That isn’t patriotism. That is self-interest.

          • eddie47d

            I guess that could be said about any job. Every person works for the betterment of themselves. Are you saying all Americans are unpatriotic and self serving. I kind of get that drift. Unions who fight for a better package hardly makes them unpatriotic.

    • Bruce D.

      Second Public Statement of Harry S. Truman on dropping the Atomic Bombs 9th August 1945 – “The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians. But that attack is only a warning of things to come. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to be dropped on her war industries and, unfortunately, thousands of civilian lives will be lost. Having found the bomb we have used it. We have used it against those who attacked us without warning at Pearl Harbor, against those who have starved and beaten and executed American prisoners of war, against those who have abandoned all pretense of obeying international laws of warfare. We have used it in order to shorten the agony of war, in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young Americans. We shall continue to use it until we completely destroy Japan’s power to make war. Only a Japanese surrender will stop us.”

    • Bruce D.

      You like so many others on the left Alex make things up as the years go by.
      “Harry S. Truman to Irv Kupcinet, Chicago Sun-Times, 5th August 1963

      Dear Kup:

      I appreciated most highly your column of July 30th, a copy of which you sent me.

      I have been rather careful not to comment on the articles that have been written on the dropping of the bomb for the simple reason that the dropping of the bomb was completely and thoroughly explained in my Memoirs, and it was done to save 125,000 youngsters on the American side and 125,000 on the Japanese side from getting killed and that is what it did. It probably also saved a half million youngsters on both sides from being maimed for life.

      You must always remember that people forget, as you said in your column, that the bombing of Pearl Harbor was done while we were at peace with Japan and trying our best to negotiate a treaty with them.

      All you have to do is to go out and stand on the keel of the Battleship in Pearl Harbor with the 3,000 youngsters underneath it who had no chance whatever of saving their lives. That is true of two or three other battleships that were sunk in Pearl Harbor. Altogether, there were between 3,000 and 6,000 youngsters killed at that time without any declaration of war. It was plain murder.

      I knew what I was doing when I stopped the war that would have killed a half million youngsters on both sides if those bombs had not been dropped. I have no regrets and, under the same circumstances, I would do it again – and this letter is not confidential.”

      Sincerely yours,

      Harry Truman

      • Alex

        You are measuring what he wrote in 1963 against what he wrote AT THE TIME in question, 1945.

        • Bruce D.

          Look at the top of my post for the date the letter was written Alex. Do not assume you have some secret knowledge of history because you read it from some left wing site or from some minister who is politically motivated. These people are Marxists trying to rewrite history to the benefit of themselves. Your choice is simple: big government with collective control over you or strive for individual inalienable rights that place people above the collective and government.

          • Bruce D.

            Second Public Statement of Harry S. Truman on dropping the Atomic Bombs 9th August 1945

    • 45caliber

      Alex:

      “more civilized nations?”

      There are none. Or are you talking about the Communist nations? They certainly aren’t more civilized since there have been more killed under then that even Hitler.

      The “more civilized” nations would have simply had our nukes destroyed or moved to their own countries to be used against us.

      Grow up.

      The idea of war as being a “fair” things is wrong. The idea of war is to kill as many of them as possible while preventing as many as possible of your own from dying in return. It doesn’t matter if “innocent” people die since there are no innocent in war except the babies. A person may be a civilian rather than a soldier but that still doesn’t stop them from supporting the war and even fighting it. You simply have no idea – and I seriously doubt if you ever will.

    • Roy

      You are–Obviously a Calypso Looie Farra-Khan Deciple. Why don’t you and the rest of the Moslems [Nation of Islam] go Over There, To the Middle East and Show those People How Peaceful Islam Works??? I’m Sure they would Welcome Y’all with Open Arms,—Preferably AKs

    • Kate8

      Alex – Maybe the first bomb here will go off on YOUR doorstep, since you think it’s what we deserve.

    • Jay

      Alex, I think that you made a valid point. In fact I agree with you. The myth that the USA desired to have an early end to the war and so dropped the B, just doesn’t wash. The US has a rather long history of war. We’re always in a war, which may say something about our war- like nature. But not so much our war-like nature, as our Empire like nature. War is always something an Empire engages in after bargaining negotiations fail. And the negotiations are always over resources which an Empire always needs to satiate its colossal appetite The methods by way they engage in war have changed, but the underlying necessity that motivates a war, has not. Could this explain why we always seem to be there, for one reason or another. hmm. You’re theory that they were trying to intimidate the Russians, is in my opinion, closer to the truth. We’ve all done it, if we consider someone to be a threat, we will then behave in an aggressive nature that is really nothing more then a warning. Stay back!

      • 45caliber

        Jay:

        An Empire requires the ownership or rulership of more than one country. I only know of one we try to run (and do a lousy job of it). This one. What other nations are you referring to?

      • 45caliber

        One of the biggest laughs I get is listening or reading the comments of the liberals. They have this picture in their minds of the world and how it should be – and they refuse to actually see how things are. Everyone only dislikes us because of us. No one is greedy except us. No one would consider using nukes except us and if we get rid of all of ours everyone will be happy and peaceful – never mind who else might have some. It is worse for our allies to have nukes than our enemies since they are our enemies only because we force them to be. We are horrible people but everyone else is wonderful. Christians are terrible and bloodthirsty but no other religion is. If an enemy states that he is our enemy, they won’t believe him.

        Babes in toyland.

        • eddie47d

          Don’t be so delusional Caliber, conservatives on this site make several statements of “superiority”. North Korea states they are our enemy and I believe them. Christians and Muslims can be bloodthirsty so I’m not sure what your point is except to attack liberals.

      • Bruce D.

        Are you saying Jay that the proper action for the U.S. would have been to allowed Germans or Japanese to occupy our country and live under their rule to avoid a war???

  • Polski

    All of you would be saying different things if Dubya and Cheney were awarded peace prizes for starting the war in Iraq and escalating the war in Afghanistan. Obama is certainly no prize, but then again, neither are you republicans.

    • http://personalliberty.com Rusty

      No, would say the same thing. Besides, W and Cheney, would never be classed with Gore-Tex and Arafat. The NPP is a joke. Who is next Okra or Rosie? Hey, Maxine Waters, thats it.

      • s c

        Rusty, while my position hasn’t yet been cleared with the pc gods, I think it would be a good idea to include Obummer’s dog as a highly-qualified and deserving NPP candidate. Also, I have a pet rock that’s been exposed to the elements for a long time.
        I could go on and on, but you get the picture.
        As long as those stellar NPP standards are strictly ‘enforced,’ then its pristine credibility will never be in question and we’ll always know that every recipient – and everything – ever given a NPP deserved it.

        • Jeep

          Oh, sc, you don’t need to keep lobbying for a nomination, Al and I already put your name in the hat for next year! LOL

          • eddie47d

            Your qualifications are rather low too. “The more things change the more they stay the same”

          • Jeep

            What!?! Were you trying to make a funny? Was that a cheap shot? Really, you need to get new material eddie.

          • Kate8

            eddie – Would you mind listing Obama’s qualifications for me? Because I sure don’t know of any.

            But then, he’s not qualified to be president, either.

            I guess that means BOTH titles are a joke.

          • eddie47d

            I agree it was way to early for Obama to receive the NPP. That was more hype than earned accomplishments.So far he still has the right to be President. I didn’t care much for G Bush but he still had the right to be President.

  • http://personalliberty.com Rusty

    I tried to get Noballs Peace Prizes made just after Obama got his. It would have been a hit as Christmas presents. Had I pulled it off, you too could have had one for $19.99 plus shipping.

    • Katrina

      Rusty, Now that’s funny! Put me on your list for next Christmas!

    • Carlucci

      LOL – !!!

    • 45caliber

      I thought that was already done. I saw a set hanging under a pickup not long ago. And I’ve seen smaller sets on key rings.

  • Jovianus

    I’d like to know who Crystal was referring to in his statement “At least two nations have brazenly begun developing nukes since Obama took up residence in the White House.”

    The one country that I am aware of that is developing nukes is Iran. And that program has been successfully derailed for several years at least giving time for militant unreest to be fostered into a popular overthrow of the current regime.

    Or..is it just typical Crystal once again spouting trash to feed red meat to the willingly ignorant and simpleminded?

    • eddie47d

      I was thinking the other country would be N.Korea but they had capabilities long before Obama.

      • Jovianus

        I notice no on else would come up with the answer. Perhaps … gasp … the author is telling fibs? Naw…..could’t be. The whole article rings of truth …lol Jeesh

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Jo, Boy are you Guillable!__

    • Vigilant

      Jovi Anus says,

      “Or..is it just typical Crystal once again spouting trash to feed red meat to the willingly ignorant and simpleminded?”

      That’s unfair, Jovi! I’ve never known Mr. Crystal to feed red meat to the leftists and commies like yourself who post here.

  • jopa

    The guy writing this article couldn’t even name two nations that started nuke programs since Obama took office.The START treaty is taking hundreds of nukes apart under surveilance of the USA and Russia.The Iranian nuke program has been set back for years because of the virus sent to there computer system that was to regulate nuke operations.The Nort Korean program was in the works for many years without much success.President Obama really did deserve the NPP and will probably get another.The world is so much safer today.Thank you Mr. President.

    • Jovianus

      Add to that fostering the movement towards democracies in the ME and a host of other international successes. Not to mention the domestic programs which…despite all the insane criticisms by the GOP…have yet to be countered with any other rational and sane solution than the path followed.

      If this administration was so wrong…with the GOP now in control of the House you would think they’d be all over it offering up solutions. Hmmmm….doesn’t seem to be any being offered up now does there?

      • eddie47d

        I don’t think the right wants democracies in the Middle East. It’s harder to manipulate a free society than a dictatorship and we’d have to play fair. If they didn’t have someone they wanted to destroy it would give them a really bad day.Actually the Muslim governments have been lying to their people for so long(sometimes with our approval)that it’s hard to tell what will come about.We certainly don’t need anymore wars in that area (or anywhere). I think Obama has done the right thing in placing warships off the Libyan coast but just as a precautionary measure. Kooky Gaddafi will be less inclined to slaughter his own people.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Boy am I ever glad neither of you two are in politics!!! you would be even more gullible than you would have us believe all your libbie leaders were with Bush!! north Korea has launched a missile that could reach Alaska and that virus in Iran could just be a ruse to keep us off their back while they finish their work!! Remember, it doesn’t have to be a perfect nuke to kill! Just a “dirty” bomb would be enough to kill many American citizens!! Korea has the delivery system, and if they have the material, it is very dangerous!!

    • 45caliber

      You are right, the Start Treaty is taking hundreds of nukes apart – all of them American. The only Russian nukes being taken apart are those they need to dismantle so they can move the explosive parts of it to a better model…

  • jopa

    I never did have a problem with the nukes being dropped on Japan after the attacks on Obama’s birthplace,Hawaii.Can you imagine if Dick Cheyney and Tator Bush were in charge at the time.They would have dropped the bombs on Taiwan.

  • Teresa

    Ask yourself a very important question before you read this article, where do you stand right now and what are you willing to give up for freedom? Do you trust your government? How long do you think they have been honest with you? What are their goals? Remember…actions defy a persons character, not his words.

    http://www.infowars.com/world-cheers-as-the-cia-plunges-libya-into-chaos/

    • Jovianus

      Teresa;

      those very questions should have been asked by everyone when Bush began ripping our Rights and Freedoms away using 9/11 as his excuse.

      Bush proved the point. Only the Progressives were placing freedom over fear for safety and only progressives were willing to take the stand that freedom was worth taking a risk. The Far Right, including many members of the so-called “patriotic’ tea party…cowered n fear and demanded government take away freedoms and rights so they could feel safe.

      • Teresa

        Jovianus…this is not just about Bush, not just about Dem. or Rep. this is about US, WE THE PEOPLE…do you understand that? Do you get it yet? Bush has done bad things, our congress is Still doing bad things, Obama is destroying our nation! Do you understand this? We are purposely being divided!

        • Jovianus

          Do you understand the ones dividing this nation are those who stand to gain the most by the division? The wealthy and the Big Corporate interests (both foreign and domestic)!

          Jeesh….get a clue. Take Wisc as a microcosm…the governor and his controllers/donors are pitting people against one another and refusing to even entertain the idea of a civil dialogue and discourse…

          Every time there appears to be movement towards solving our problems..whatever it may be…if the wealthy and corporate interets don’t make out better than everyone else..f there is even a hint they’ll have to pay any price whatsoever…all of a sudden it’s war between the classes as they feed your fears and play on your phobic paranoia.

          Jeesh …

          And you are eating it up hook, line, and sinker.

          • Teresa

            What I do get is that this is just another chaotic game to them to do nothing but divide us. We are mere statistics to them, money pumping statistics and nothing more. What I DO get is that people do not seem to have their eye on the big picture here, you act as if you do but apparently you do not. You keep pointing your finger as if you do but you keep missing the mark, all you keep doing is pushing the blame on past administrations and corp. elite, well guess what… WE ALL KNOW the corp. banks and the corp. government have done us wrong! The point is if we ALL dont continue to stand together against this Corp. government and Stand together for OUR RIGHTS, OUR FREEDOM, OUR NATION, OUR MORAL PRINCIPALS, OUR CONSTITUTION then we are doomed now. You talk about this protest in Wisconsin…if you want to spit out truth then tell the whole truth….the protesters should be protesting Washington! If you want to tell the truth, either you want NWO or you don’t it’s that simple!

          • 45caliber

            Jovianus:

            She asked you what YOU were willing to do and/or give up. Apparently you expect everyone else to do it for you – typical of a progressive/liberal/socialist.

            So put up or shut up. What are YOU willing to do for your cause? What are YOU willing to give up to achieve your goals? What are YOU willingly to pay to achieve the type of government you want?

          • Jovianus

            45…I’m relatively young at 53, so there’s not much direct that I have to cede. But here’s where i have no issue with.

            I’m willing to pay higher taxes for schools, for roads, for mass transit, and for energy independence fromt he ME. Income and usage taxes. I have no porblem paying my way and in knowing that the society I live in, and enjoy the benefits of, needs my contributions. Unlike the ultra-wealthy, I don’t expect a free ride on the backs of the Middle class.

            I would expect that there are certain services and programs which will need to be cut. Non profit programs such as “cultural trusts’ etc. Public subsidies of the arts. Etc.

            I would expect that the price of building a house to go up. Infrrastructure such as new roads, sewers etc neds to be borne by the developer to recapture upon sale of the built homes.

            I would expect that there wouldbe a moderate increase in foods if subsidies to Big Ag are cut….since the leeches of Big Corproations will raise prices to kep their pockets lined…and to ‘punish’ us for daring to take away thier welfare.

            I would expect higher il and gas prices as we divert monies from subsidizing Big Oil to a truly energy indendent policy and get us away from the ME and that frippin’ mess.

            I would expect the ultra rich and Big Corporate powers to pay thier way and not leech off of us in their quest for privatizing profit and subsidizig their risk.

            I would expect taxes being raised simply due to erasure of certain deductions and tax breaks i now have…such as capital gains, home interest deduction, etc.

            And i would expect the Far Right to quit their whining and pay for the largesse they enjoyed as they lived off the dole and came to expect a free ride paying lower taxes for increased benefits of this society.

            How’s that for starters?

            You?

          • Vigilant

            Jovi makes the unbelievably stupid statement, “Do you understand the ones dividing this nation are those who stand to gain the most by the division? The wealthy and the Big Corporate interests (both foreign and domestic)!”

            Your understanding of economics is as limited as your powers of logic. If you had half a brain, you’d understand that businesses and flow of capital depend upon stability of economic environment, NOT turmoil. Corporations make more money when the size of the middle class is maximized.

            Those who stand the most to gain from division are the usual suspects in history: the communists and fascists. And those who foment unrest and class warfare are the same usual suspects. But I wouldn’t expect a person of your bias to understand it. That single brain cell you have must get very lonely in that cranium of yours.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            jovi,
            You say you don’t want to hurt the middle class, but do you realize that everything that you listed comes on the back of the middle class?? you progs don’t even think about what you are saying, you just repeat, repeat, and repeat!!

  • jopa

    All these GOP candidates that campaigned on job creation and not a word about jobs since they took office other than Bonher talking about eliminating 700,000 jobs.I think it is time for the voters to wise up.

    • Jovianus

      HA ! Asking this Board to wise up and recognize the scam being perpetrated on them by the GOP and Coproate interests is like telling a bratty child to quit hining when they don’t get their way.

      It ain’t gonna happen …

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      yeah jopa, ya should wise up! :)

    • 45caliber

      jopa:

      You don’t provide jobs simply by throwing money at the idea. There have to be some work that needs to be done. … Oh, sorry, I forgot that liberals don’t believe that work is necessary before you pay someone.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      jopa,
      Gee, that’s funny, the unemployment figure DROPPED for the first time since Nobummer took office and it came about after the repubs took a majority in one of the houses!!! It’s only gonna get better after 2012!!!!

  • http://www.giftsbyprovintech.com Carmen

    It all goes back to the Roots: don’t forget where he comes from “Communist” parents … that gives a good sense (or it should)of what is important to him and his admin …. not us (never will) … only the agenda … and nothing will ever get in its way and mostly what is important to you and me is NOT to him … security doesn’t have any meaning to him except “what is important” to him …. you can call it as Savage said in his book a long time ago “the ennemy within” (google it) … he was right on before his time … obama is “the ennemy” with his clooneys …. go to the cpusa.com and read up once you’ve done that you will see the light of what this is all about …. don’t think he can’t be re-elected he CAN …. you can’t assume anything …. remember his co-conspirator Ram Emmanuel? couldn’t get elected because he didn’t have the required “resident” status? well, see he DID get ELECTED …. they will do anything to get what they want …. CHANGE the USA into THEIR image …. and obama be elected for LIFE … like Chavez (with all the fringe benefits (no more freedom of speech, taxed to the hill, etc..) …. you think I’m mad? you better all take into YOUR hands to talk away your friends NOT to vote for him by making them SEE the LIGHT … not tomorrow but yesterday … otherwise it will be bye bye the good ole USA … take it from someone who lived in the socialistist environment until I was 25 …. they are already implementing in the HC Bill a provision that will make real estate transactions when you buy a house subject to SALES TAX starting in 2014? now you didn’t know about that did you? where I come from anyone who buys a house especially foreigners pay a 15% TAX which goes directly into the hands of the Gvt before they can buy the house that amounts to (100K > $15,000 – on 200K > $30,000 on 500K > $75,000) we paid also in Europe property tax on a PER WINDOW in the house and that includes skylights and cellar opening …..need I go on? We paid 13% for that “FREE” healthcare off a salary less than $10,000/a year in the 1970′s plus 15% income tax …. at 10,000 – 15,000 it probably would be at least 15% (healthcare) plus 30% income tax >> HC is so expensive that you will have NO money to pay for anything else and that includes ALL infractructure that they are so much talking about UNLESS everyone pays at least 50% – 80% taxes …. YOUR life will be in THEIR hands … you will NO LONGER have rights on how you spend your money … if you have what THEY think is enough anything above will be expandable …. keep in mind one thing and that is important for you to realize: a bad HC structure or anything else will NEVER affect them only you and by the time you realize that it will be TOO LATE … they have planned this at least 6 yrs ago for obama to be where he is …. those of us who are fortunate enough to have the picture are right behind them in their planning and TRYING to get all of you up to date …. most citizens – not by fault of their own just for believing the best in ppl are being lead like (what THEY call – not my words please understand that – I would never insult my worse ennemy like that)… they call you all “useful idiots” …. now who wants to be treated that way? America WAKE UP …. we are CLOSE to the NO turning point …. sadly SO CLOSE to it?

  • 45caliber

    “Speak softly but carry a big stick.” Our BEST foreign policy. Too bad Oblama never heard of it.

    • Jovianus

      Yeah 45…it’s apparent. No terrorist threat, no foreign wars of intervention anywhere, democracies spreading around the globe, our international standing is stronger than ever for this century, N’ Korea isn’t making much noise other than what is needed to ensure the son takes over from dad (and tha’s 50/50 he will be there more than ayear afterwards), Iran is bottled up and the nuke program derailed, India and Pakistan are fairly quiet right now, China is becoming concerned about internal affairs and pretty much stymied on any further inroads in the Pacific and SE Asia, S. America is quiet… apparently he hasn’t practiced that at all.

      C’mon….get real ….

      • Dale on the left coast

        Democracy spreading accross the globe???? You got to stop watching MSNBC and reading the NYT . . .
        Will the ME look like Britain or Iran . . . I’m betting on Iran.
        The Chinese, who are building the biggest Navy on the planet and have millions in the army . . .
        Jovi . . . the “Won” is terminally Clueless . . .

        • 45caliber

          I think the last four letters of his name fits him better than the first four letters …

        • Jovianus

          I’m not even close to being worried about China. It’s a train wreck coming down the rails and we’ve no worries there. The population is agin, requiring more state monies (and that’s a huge population draining those resources), the masses are becoming more educated and more affluent…expecting and demanding more…which again will drain resources and nudging closer to the world in wages and worker safety standards. The communication is gaining ground faster than they can cope with…and they have to liberalize or face growing unrest. They have little natural resources, tying them to the global economy. Their navy is being modernized…from a fishing fleet to one of numbers…which doesn’t impact us as we have streamlined into accuracy for targeting rather thn overwhelming with numbers. They hold our debt…which is two way street. As we become beholden to them, they have to keep the US on par so we pay off that debt…or they hold paper which is less valuable and again, drains their reserves. And the economic growth they’ve enjoyed this past decade is running head on into reality…a natural recession and inflation…both which should slap ‘em around for a few years as they learn to cope with that reality.

          China is not my worry…India is. India is my selection to be the main competition for the next 50 years.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            jovi,
            Did you actually say thyat N Korea hasn’t made as much noise since Nobama came into office?!?!?!? As they say on the block “Oh no you didn’t”! did you forget that they attacked an island in the south just a few months ago??? did you forget that they said that the south and the US is going to force them to destroy them??? Wake the heck up and smell the coffee!!!

      • Teresa

        ha ha ha, the more I read of your post the more comical your become. You truly are a plant purposely sent here to stir the pot and nothing more….but I do find you amusing. Tell me, when the next wikileaks comes out on the US (another Rothchild puppet) and chaos truly does begin here in the US when your chosen one shuts down our right of free speech after the market crashes or the next 9/11 happens, tell me exactly where will you stand?

        • Jovianus

          Since I’m not paranoid schizo…i don’t see that occurring.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Teresa, He’ll be knocking on doors asking for handouts, when the commies no longer need him as one of they’re useful idiots!The Liberal sympathizers have been duped. They can’t even see that they’re being used by the upper echelon to promote the NWO agenda!

      • 45caliber

        Jovianus:

        I absolutely LOVE your comments here! Talk about blind!

        “No terrorist threat, no foreign wars of intervention anywhere, democracies spreading around the globe, our international standing is stronger than ever for this century, …” lmao!

        Let’s make it plainer: terrorist threats daily, foreign wars everywhere, revolts (but no sign of new democracies anywhere yet), our international standing is the joke of the world! lol!

        “Iran is bottled up and the nuke program derailed, India and Pakistan are fairly quiet right now,…”

        WHO has Iran bottled up? Not us or the UN! The nuke program derailed – by whom? India and Pakistan fairly quiet? Where do you get your news!?

        Come on, take off your liberal blinders and start getting your info from someone other than the liberals!

      • 45caliber

        Jovi:

        By the way, you still haven’t answered any of the questions above directed at you…

  • Jim C.

    Ahmadinejad may be a dictator, but there’s no concrete evidence that Iran is building nukes or trying to make weapons grade material. In fact, there’s less evidence of nukes in Iran than there were of WMD’s in Iraq. Are we going to make that same mistake again? Are we never going to learn from our mistakes? People say Ahmadinejad’s a threat to Israel and the US, but he never threated either country. He’s always said the nuclear program is for peaceful purposes. He DID say that Israel should never have existed, but that is just an opinion, and not a threat.

    On the other hand, Israel, a nation that has never hesitated to attack anyone it anticipates “might” become a threat, has refused to reveal if IT has nukes.

    The US REGULARLY threatens to nuke other countries. For instance, when Bush invaded Iraq (for reasons now known to be false), he threatened to nuke Baghdad, if the Iraq’s dared use their (now known to be non-existent) chemical weapons to defend their nation. Millions of Iraqis who did not even want to fight us died, in our bombing and invasion.

    When the US was having a bad go of it against the SUNNI insurgency in Iraq, they blamed it on Iran. They claimed SHIITE Iran was smuggling IED’s and other ordinance into Iraq. Hillary Clinton threatened to NUKE Tehran!! Does anyone see a problem with that? The Iranian SHIITES fought a BRUTAL war with SUNNI Iraq for more than 8 YEARS. Why would they arm their enemies? Not only that, but the captured weapons the US paraded around were labeled (in ENGLISH), “Made in Iran”. Duhh! Iranians speak and write Farsi, not English. If they were “secretly” smuggling IED’s into Iraq, they wouldn’t label them “Made in Iran”.

    So maybe the Iranians ARE secretly working to get the bomb. Can you blame them? The only countries the US respects are those with nukes.

    The animus towards Iran is all based on the hostage taking. If the US had not supported the opressive shah, the Iranians would never have revolted.

    • 45caliber

      I think you need to do some more study. First, we do NOT have a problem with Iran due to them taking hostages back during Carter’s day. That is basically old news now and many people weren’t even born then. Who cares?

      Second, we are concerned about anyone getting nukes when so many of those who have them threaten everyone with them. But I wouldn’t say we do it regularly (unless you consider a threat every ten years or so a regular occurance). Bush threatened to use a WMD against another WMD that we didn’t have and one I consider far worse. At the time, we thought he did have them available, so your argument that they weren’t there is meaningless. He didn’t use any so we didn’t. I don’t know about Hillary’s threat; that is Oblama’s problem.

      Finally, does Israel have nukes? Most likely considering that they have one of the best educational systems in the world and have a lot of tech even we don’t have. And I can’t blame them. If I had a billion people living around me who insisted that they want to kill me, I’d do my best to get some too. And they have NEVER threatened anyone with one, have they? So are they evil for having some? I don’t think so; I think they are smart if they do and stupid if they don’t. Your complaint seems to be more along the line that they shouldn’t make any but should admit it if they do so we can insist they get rid of them or something. What makes you and your friends the judges of that?

      • Firefly

        It is clear that Jim C. is opposed to much the United States does in general. Sadly there are many in this country like him. Like the Militant Muslims he blames others for the state of the world, Bush, Carter, anyone. It pains him to say that Ahmadinejad is a dictator so he says he “may be a dictator.” The fact that he has killed those who dared oppose him is not taken into consideration. After all these people were opposing God (or that is what these people in Iran believe). Jim C. says that “millions of Iraqis who did not even want to fight us died, in our bombing and invasion.”

        You must know that is not true but you didn’t mention it. Millions? Come on now! As a progressive or liberal Jim C. is probably an atheist so the spiritual realities of Ahmadinejad are probably not considered of importance but the President of Iran is a ‘true believer’ someone who believes that if he can kill 100 million people he will usher in his God, the Mahdi. This person vanished over a thousand years ago and it is believed by those who follow this belief that when he returns he will conquer the world for Islam. Now it doesn’t matter if Jim C. believes this but it does matter that Ahmadinejad and many Iranians believe this. Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” is a best seller in Iran and many Muslim countries. They admire his way of thinking and his hatred of the Jewish People. Many of the Militant Muslims are followers of the cult of death or the god of death, not the creator God of the Universe. As one militant said before he killed scores of Russian school children, “We love death more than you love life!” He was not exaggerating, just stating a fact. The point is that we have people in this country for are not for us, but for our enemies. Some are just ignorant but some hate the freedom that the USA stands for. They feel we must be controlled. (We are not perfect but we are Americans. We learn from our mistakes – hopefully) and move on. Our history and that of the world is approaching the greatest change in our history. Some are preparing but many are in denial. That denial, however, will change nothing.

      • Jovianus

        45….You’re correct in what I also adhere to…our problems with Iran do not date back to Carter’s days and the hostages. It dates beginning with Reagan and escalated by both sides since. Recall the treasonous acts of Reagan and Ollie North (and to a large extent Cap Weinberger) when they sent the cake to Tehran dealing with our sworn enemies…so they could violate the law and fund the murderous Contras in Nicaraugua. Within a year, Reagan was sending, via good ol’ Dick Cheney, WMD ingredients..along with formulas and delivery vehicles…to Sammy Hussein to toss at the Iranians. Heck..the United States and the UK blocked condemnation of Iraq’s known chemical weapons attacks at the UN Security Council fer chrissakes. Mix in the shenanigans of Bush I, toss in Clinton’s continued embargo and standoff with the Iranians…and there’s some deep resentment on both sides. And rightly so.

        They may not be so sweet and innocent as being oppressed, but neither side can swear innocence. Overall…I’d say the Iranians have a good reason to be mighty sore at us.

        Bush threatened to beat the living crap out of anyone who didn’t kowtow to his use of being a cowardly bully and wanna be dictator of the world. He darn well knew Iraq had nothing as far as WMDs and he used every threat he could to coerce his so-called alliance against Iraq. I have no idea about Hillary’s alleged threat…i doubt there was one, since on this board had there been one hint of disgrace (true or not) to pile on anyone in the Admin..it would’ve been claimed as true fact

        Finally, does Israel have nukes? Damn right they do.

        • chuckb

          jovianus, reagan and north sure did a number on your communist buddies in nicaragua, murderous contras! wow. i have personal friends who were contras, i know better who the killers were, they were called sandinistas. “the right always wins” that’s why the contras were right, you know like conservative. too bad, the commies lost again.

    • 45caliber

      Out of curiosity, are you willing to allow Iran to make nukes with their ties to various terrorist groups that would love to use them on the US? I don’t know where you live, but I certainly wouldn’t want to live in any major US city.

      • Jovianus

        Iran made some pretty significant strides towards having a nuke when Bush was in charge….but then, he and the Conservatives were so far off kilter, the entire world made great stride in eveil due to that everyday incompetence.

        Lately…Iran has had to restart many aspects of the nuke program because ‘somehow’, someone planted a nice lil’ bug in their computers and screwed everything up. And if you don’t think we’re playing the game within iran with fostering unrest…you really are in dreamland.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          jovi,
          and if you think it was the Us that planted that little bug, you aregoofier than goofball gore!! Look to someone you seem to hate Israel!!!

  • The Insurgent

    Ladies, Gentlemen, at least farrakhan right on this issue.

    Farrakhan: ‘Satanic Jews’ Pushing US Into War
    Wednesday, 02 Mar 2011 08:38 PM Article Font Size

    Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan said Jews and Zionists are “trying to push the US into war” and are a cover for Satan, at the group’s annual meeting near Chicago on Tuesday.

    “President Obama,” Farrakhan said, “if you allow the Zionists to push you, to mount a military offensive against Gaddafi and you go in and kill him and his sons as you did with Saddam Hussein and his sons, I’m warning you this is a Libyan problem, let the Libyans solve their problem among themselves.” Farrakhan called Muammar Gaddafi “my brother” and “my friend.”

    He also accused American Zionists of attempting to push Israel into war with Iran, adding that “Zionists dominate the government of the United States of America and her banking system.”

    One panel at the conference, titled “The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews,” claimed that Jews were disproportionately involved in the slave trade and accused them of controlling the media.

    “Some of you think that I’m just somebody who’s got something out for the Jewish people,” Farrakhan said. “You’re stupid. Do you think I would waste my time if I did not think it was important for you to know Satan? My job is to pull the cover off of Satan so that he will never deceive you and the people of the world again.”

    Guess what the hate-monger ADL Foxman addedd to these remarks? Farrakhna is an anti-semite and hates jews. hate is a right, just as Love is. But, I don’t think Farrakhan has any hatred for jews. Instead, he hates those who enslaved his people and the zionists who try to do the same again, but this time – with ALL of us…

    • Firefly

      Spoken like a true child of the darkside. Farrakhan “…hates those who enslaved his people.” Well, he has truly missed his mark then because it was the Muslim traders and slavers who captured most of the Africans to be used as slaves and sold as such in times past. This continues to this day in some parts of Africa but it’s not politcally correct to say so. Hate is no more a right than love is. they are opposites. Hell is filled with one and heaven the other. Those who hate Jews because they are Jews are tools of Satan regardless of what they call themselves. The same could be said of all who hate.

  • busterggi

    Started under Obama?

    Funny, I read about these same two nations doing the same thing under Bush but I guess you righties didn’t notice then.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    busterggi,
    I did notice Obama could care less who has nukes,as long as we don`t have any.

  • GOD

    eddie47d, I will tell you what GOD is going to do. I am going to torch all of your sorry ASSES– It is going to be burn baby burn, get the message!!!!!!!

  • chuckb

    firefly. farrakhan hates white people. he has for years advocated the blacks have their own country on this continent. in a speech made at the lincoln memorial years ago, he looked upon the audience and told the people to keep dropping as many chocolate babies as possible, by the year 2000 we will have the vote in this country and then white man you look out. do not ignore the nation of islam,(black muslims) they are armed and dangerous. it wouldn’t take much to start a revolution in this country and i think they would love for this to happen. the big cities are no mans land for white people. (can’t we all get along)) nope!

  • http://com i41

    chuckb, have you ever asked a congressional clown how aremracist thugs like the Black Pathers can go around threaten people of any color or be armed? If want to see some shuching and dancing like a cow on ice, just ask them at one oftheir meeting. As seeral people have commented over the years there is malls white people can go to and malls that only the special minorities frequent. Same goes for Wal-Marts, smost of the southern one have idoits that don’t or will not speek English and are dumber than rocks. Wheather go go east or west, north or south, Wal Marts in minority areas are a pig stye. When in Az, Tex, and New Mex. the places were over run with mesicans who will not speek English when asked about cemera film and I’ve unloaded bull rakes that were cleaner than the bathroom and store. Same was the same in Chitcago and even Denver of black “hoods” pig pens at best. When I stopped in Seattle there was a onclave of muslim sores and even with plenty of water around a group I was working with, needed some supplies, I went to a Wal- Mart and had my olfactory nerves assalted by what smelled like stinking goats. There will not be any peace until certyain groups of people are forced too assimulate in to our society and if they want to behave and act like their 3rd world crap is approved here. Send them packing they sure as hell will not add anything to our society. All of you listen to Onumnutts rumpranger Eric Holder justifing the black muslim panthers. Shoot the muslim pukes and be done with them, when wil citizens realize the perverts ar not worth a crap, anti American Onumnutts sure mustapprove of the love in with the goat abusing pervs.

  • Tinman

    90% of the blacks do not want to assimilate in to society, they think whitey owes them a free ride. As far as where they live looks like the middle east run down slums, pigs live better then that. Best way to solve the problem is bus the 90% back to africa and let them starve!!!!!!

  • chuckb

    tinman, jefferson and adams saw the problem with the blacks back in 1784 and were anxious to send them back to africa, it took until 1816 before they got their act together and formed a society to gather enough money to ship them back, between 1820 and 1860 they had spent $1.600.000 dollars and shipped only 10.600 slaves to land they had purchased in africa, it was named liberia, they claimed the blacks were breeding faster than they could build ships to transport them, it was like dipping the water out of the sea and the african natives and animals were taking a great toll on their lives. lincoln also belonged to this society and agreed the black people should be returned.

  • Tinman

    chuckb, Thanks for the Info.

  • JOSEPH LANGLOIS

    Ah yes, the no executive experience street corner name collector/ marxist socialist is exposed. This fool deserves tar and feathers in 2012.

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