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Paul Will Eliminate $1 Trillion, Cut Presidential Salary By $360,664

October 18, 2011 by  

Paul Will Eliminate $1 Trillion, Cut Presidential Salary By $360,664

GOP Presidential candidate Ron Paul in a recent email to supporters said that he has been given only 18 minutes, 47 seconds to speak during the past three debates; mainstream ignorance of the candidate may end with his Monday release of a budget plan announcing about $1 trillion in specific Federal budget cuts.

According to The Wall Street Journal, Paul’s plan calls for the massive cuts to be made during his first year in office along with the elimination of five cabinet-level  agencies and the lowering of corporate tax rates from 35 to 15 percent.

The candidate’s “Restore America” plan is focused on drastically reducing government reach to spur American business growth. This will be accomplished in part by repealing Obamacare, last year’s Wall Street regulations law and the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

Paul also calls for a 10 percent reduction in the Federal workforce which may be achieved by eliminating the Departments of Education, Commerce, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development.  He also calls for a 30 percent budget cut to the Environmental Protection Agency, a 40 percent cut to the Food and Drug Administration, slashed Pentagon funding for foreign wars and completely eliminating spending on foreign aid, according to POLITICO.

The Congressman from Texas also wants to see programs like Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, food stamps, family support programs and the children’s nutrition program block-granted to the States and removed from mandatory Federal expenditures. In regard to Social Security, his campaign says that the plan “honors our promise to our seniors and veterans, while allowing young workers to opt out.”

In his plan, Paul also ensures voters that he is not going to make massive Federal budget cuts while living like a fat cat politician. He plans to reduce the Presidential salary from $400,000 yearly to $39,336 a year, which the plan says is “approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker.”

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • s c

    An old expression says that ‘timing is everything.’ And so it’s truly an excellent time for Ron Paul to bring up the idea of young people opting-out of Social ecurity. Except for cave-dwellers who have been otherwise occupied, it is a well-known fact that Social Security’s reputation is exactly equal to the efforts of Congress and multiple administrations to gut, cripple and almost destroy it.
    According to the Supreme Court’s affirmation in Flemming v Nestor, 363 US 603 (1960), ‘a taxpayer doesn’t have a contractual right to collect specific Social Security benefits.’ In other words, and contrary to what generations of worthless SOBs in Washington have been telling us for years, just because you expect to be “covered” by Soc Sec when you need it, it is NOT owed to you, and the odds are that it WON’T be there when you’re old and ready for retirement.
    Get ‘em, Ron Paul. The cat is out of the bag, and we’re stuck with a prez who thinks spending money we don’t have is an act of genius. It’s time to make obvious and clear some deadly comparisons so our ‘young’ people can see that Uncle Scam has much in common with corporations that Uncle Scam pretends to hate.
    In fact, Uncle Scam has all but morphed into the same monstrosity as Mussolini’s Italian Fascism. Take no prisoners, Ron Paul. You’ll get one chance. Please don’t pull a ‘Ross Perot’ on us.

    • Stunned at sunset

      Excellent post, S C!

      • Pat

        I agree. FINALLY>….a sane voice in the political arena. This man truly understands the plight of America and has a plan to fix the financial plundering of America. God go with Ron Paul!!!!

    • bob wire

      Good point made, as rough as it was presented.

      “An old expression says that ‘timing is everything.’ And so it’s truly an excellent time for Ron Paul to bring up the idea of young people opting-out of Social Security. Except for cave-dwellers who have been otherwise occupied, it is a well-known fact that Social Security’s reputation is exactly equal to the efforts of Congress and multiple administrations to gut, cripple and almost destroy it.”

      While I personally have not used this system in any form yet contributed some $130,000 dollars over a 63 year period, I know many that have and still do. Without it , life would be most difficult for many. It’s not government money but the peoples money and funded by your & my contributions.

      I seen no reason to insist people be a part of this program as long as these people recognize the fact that in their aging years they must be self sustaining and it will not be the responsibility of government or the collective to supply their needs and deal with their final remain. They must realized regardless how old and tied they become they shall comply with guide lines of human disposal and burial.

      For a $130,000.00 you can call me a caveman all day long. I’m left to be “required” to place my faith “somewhere” and in something. I’ll hold pat but I realized I must guard it or the wolf will get in. And you will too, regardless in what you decide to do.

      Your day too shall come Buckwheat.

      I hope time is kind to you.

      I’ve heard many things about Social Security , both good and bad.

      But one thing is for certain, it is a very huge block of money collected to address the social needs of an aging population and the private sector is trying to capture as much of it as could be made possible,~ and that includes leveraging it.

      So think long and hard about what you wish to see in your later years.

      • s c

        bw, you still have that bad case of thin-skinitis. If you haven’t read Flemming v Nestor, look it up and absorb every little detail. SMS has a handle on part of its implications.
        Soc Sec is a prime example of why people can’t afford to have faith in career politicians. For many years, Washington’s main philosophy is to worship and practice power, and it is used against the American people – even naive, childish followers of FDR and all who followed in his corrupt, freedom-hating footsteps.
        If you have a problem with how Soc Sec is administered (or protected or ‘insured’), take it up with the #^&*$ in Washington who think FDR was a demigod.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          for once, and believe me it does NOT happen often, I have to agree with BW. I have deposited into social security all my working life. Had the crooked politicians kept their hands out of the proverbial cookie jar, the plan would be solvent for another 25 to 35 years. I am 61 years old and will soon be able to take some of my money BACK so if you want to let the youngers opt out fine, just replace the IOUs with some green and let the people 55 and up have it BACK!!!

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Exactly right. I did not “contribute,” as some here euphemistically like to phrase it. It was taken from me since long before I could vote or even understand the relevant statutes (seven years, in fact). One argument I hear is that useless old people are living longer these days thanks to modern miracles of medicine, so I’m somehow partly to blame for the collapse of the system. A political ruse to justify theft of my “investment at gunpoint.”

            I’ve yet to receive check or Benefit One from the system, into which I paid $250,000 over the last 50 years. Not one dime have I seen. And this amount does not include cost-of-living increases, that’s what their records (and mine) indicate was taken from me year-over-year, and promised back to me. Till now. Now they are threatening to keep it.

            Since Bernanke and Friends are burning the midnight oil printing greenbacks to “stimulate” the economy, perhaps they might crank out the quarter mil they admit they owe me. I’ll happily drive over and get it and deduct the mileage on next year’s income tax. I’ll take it all now, and never darken their door again. No worries that I may live to be 107 on life support and “cost the taxpayer.”

            Just give me all my money back, today, and shut the ef up and I will happily do the same. No adjustments for inflation, no cost of living increases, just give my money back. I’ll take it from there, and happily sign a Quit Claim to that effect.

      • DaveH

        Social Security is Immoral and it is Unconstitutional. Nobody, not even those in the Government, has a right to take our money “for our own good”. To do so is theft, plain and simple. And the Federal Government does not have the Constitutional Power to take care of us in our old age.
        But the fact is that the Government has spent the money they were supposed to use to “protect” us. So, even disregarding the Unconstitutionality and Immorality of Social Security, it has been an outright scam as administered by Government.
        If you want to be protected in your old age, Bob, buy an annuity, accumulate real-estate, or build some other assets to tide you over. But don’t force other people to do things your way.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          what about the lady down the street from me that worked as a waitress all her life and now is on a very small retirement and social security? I’m sorry, but this is one area you and I part company on. That money was STOLEN from people all of their adult life without option and it should stay there for at least all over the age of 55!!

          • DaveH

            I didn’t say different. They owe those people the money they stole from them.

    • C. R.

      A great candidate, a great American, and we want to see more of him because he has our country at heart and knows big government has to go!

      • DaveH

        Ron Paul is one of the few who really does care about the citizens.

        • Mushin

          Dave my friend;

          Do NOT call yourself a citizen – you are a MAN, a PERSON yes, but to call yourself a citizen infers that you are a SLAVE to the state! Words convey POWER and for this reason you must use them with caution as all attorney’s at law do!

          A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation.


          For more education on this matter refer to this youtube video with Alfred Adask!

          The Elites Philosophy with Alfred Adask
          Infowars talks with constitutionalist Alfred Adask about the Liberty

          • http://?? Joe H.

            While I am not a slave to any state, I did swear an oath to protect the constitution and defend it from all enemies both foreign and domestic. I believe that oath also was an oath of loyalty to my country and I will defend it with the very last breath in my body! Please don’t confuse that to mean I owe a loyalty to ANY person of any government as I don’t!

          • bp

            Mushin; you are slightly warped. Citizenship speaks to patriotism & responsibility, not slavery.

    • Jerome Bigge

      A number of countries have been using government regulated private investment accounts with great success instead of Social Security’s “pay as you go system”. In these countries, people get more back in retirement for the amount invested than with a “pay as you go” system like Social Security. I’m sure Ron Paul would be strongly supportive of switching the US from our present Social Security system to one where regulated investment accounts would provide Americans with better retirements. Ron Paul is also opposed to prescription laws that make health care costs higher than necessary. People can take care of many of their own health care needs if they have the freedom to take care of themselves without having to pay for unnecessary office visits to doctors. My own experience has been that for people with chronic conditions, seeing a doctor every six months is a simple waste of money. Without prescription laws, people would see doctors when they wanted to, not when the doctor wants. We must not forget that the more a doctor “doctors”, the more money he or she makes…

      • DaveH

        While a private social security system would indeed be better than what we have currently, it is still none of the Federal Government’s business.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Flemming v Nestor, 363 US 603 (1960) This decision affirmed the section of the Social Security Act that stated an ALIEN AND MEMBER OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY that was deported could not receive benefits

      • s c

        SMS, what you left out is the idea that a taxpayer can’t whiz and moan or expect to have any contractual rights to collect ANY specific Soc Sec benefits. Ergo, just because you may have paid into it for decades does NOT mean that you’ll get what you were told you’d get. And for that, Congress – and a lot of prezzes – should have been hung or shot.
        In a way, it’s rather amusing that a half-arsed commie couldn’t collect from a program that was foisted upon America by a prez who combined elements of socialism, communism and fascism on America.
        No honor among effing thieves, eh?

    • patrick H.T. paine

      “To conquer, first divide.”

      Good ole Ron Paul… people the opt out on social security.

      The problem is: Social Security is already a voluntary program. So what explains his ignorance here…..since all he really has to DO is provide people with the TRUTH. 26 CFR 31.3402(p)

      Title 26: Internal Revenue
      Subpart E—Collection of Income Tax at Source

      § 31.3402(p)-1 Voluntary withholding agreements.
      (a) In general. An employee and his employer may enter into an agreement under section 3402(b) to provide for the withholding of income tax upon payments of amounts described in paragraph (b)(1) of §31.3401(a)–3, made after December 31, 1970. An agreement may be entered into under this section only with respect to amounts which are includible in the gross income of the employee under section 61, and must be applicable to all such amounts paid by the employer to the employee. The amount to be withheld pursuant to an agreement under section 3402(p) shall be determined under the rules contained in section 3402 and the regulations thereunder. See §31.3405(c)–1, Q&A–3 concerning agreements to have more than 20-percent Federal income tax withheld from eligible rollover distributions within the meaning of section 402.

      (b) Form and duration of agreement. (1)(i) Except as provided in subdivision (ii) of this subparagraph, an employee who desires to enter into an agreement under section 3402(p) shall furnish his employer with Form W–4 (withholding exemption certificate) executed in accordance with the provisions of section 3402(f) and the regulations thereunder. The furnishing of such Form W–4 shall constitute a request for withholding.

      (ii) In the case of an employee who desires to enter into an agreement under section 3402(p) with his employer, if the employee performs services (in addition to those to be the subject of the agreement) the remuneration for which is subject to mandatory income tax withholding by such employer, or if the employee wishes to specify that the agreement terminate on a specific date, the employee shall furnish the employer with a request for withholding which shall be signed by the employee, and shall contain—

      ( a ) The name, address, and social security number of the employee making the request,

      ( b ) The name and address of the employer,

      ( c ) A statement that the employee desires withholding of Federal income tax, and applicable, of qualified State individual income tax (see paragraph (d)(3)(i) of §301.6361–1 of this chapter (Regulations on Procedures and Administration)), and

      ( d ) If the employee desires that the agreement terminate on a specific date, the date of termination of the agreement.

      If accepted by the employer as provided in subdivision (iii) of this subparagraph, the request shall be attached to, and constitute part of, the employee’s Form W–4. An employee who furnishes his employer a request for withholding under this subdivision shall also furnish such employer with Form W–4 if such employee does not already have a Form W–4 in effect with such employer.

      (iii) No request for withholding under section 3402(p) shall be effective as an agreement between an employer and an employee until the employer accepts the request by commencing to withhold from the amounts with respect to which the request was made.

      (2) An agreement under section 3402 (p) shall be effective for such period as the employer and employee mutually agree upon. However, either the employer or the employee may terminate the agreement prior to the end of such period by furnishing a signed written notice to the other. Unless the employer and employee agree to an earlier termination date, the notice shall be effective with respect to the first payment of an amount in respect of which the agreement is in effect which is made on or after the first “status determination date” (January 1, May 1, July 1, and October 1 of each year) that occurs at least 30 days after the date on which the notice is furnished. If the employee executes a new Form W–4, the request upon which an agreement under section 3402 (p) is based shall be attached to, and constitute a part of, such new Form W–4.

      (86 Stat. 944, 26 U.S.C. 6364; 68A Stat. 917, 26 U.S.C. 7805)

      [T.D. 7096, 36 FR 5216, Mar. 18, 1971, as amended by T.D. 7577, 43 FR 59359, Dec. 20, 1978; T.D. 8619, 60 FR 49215, Sept. 22, 1995]

      BTW this is already established precedent in the 9th Circuit, which is where Ron Paul is from…… would also make a very interesting topic for the NEXT DEBATE. You see he doesn’t have to get elected, he just has to tell the TRUTH.

      “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…….”

      • patrick H.T. paine

        P.S. There is no section or regulation entitled Involuntary Withholding agreements.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          While that may be true, just stop paying it and see what happens. Hope you like 3 hots and a cot!!

          • bp

            That’s the problem, Joe!

          • patrick H.T. paine

            “To conquer, first divide!”

            Oh but I have, dear……I have also used promissary notes to pay fines…..good ole Article One, section ten. Haven’t filed a tax return since 82 maybe, not sure when I stopped…..and haven’t spent a day in jail because of it.

            No case have ever been heard on Article One , section ten and there never will be one…….

            As for the reg above and the precedent that exists….imagine how that judge feels……..and that’s the POWER….YOU HAVE.

            I have made this available to all of you all before. But YOU have to act… a lot better if ole BOB here stepped up, or Ron Paul or lil Paul. So they are either ignorant or scared, just like you.

            But there is a new game in town…..that alternative ballot thingy…
            I’m not going anywhere….so remember the name….an watch for a new party to emerge…….

            “Do not ask for WHOM the bell tolls…….”

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Tell that to all the freemen that are in jail as we speak for not filing their tax returns!!! If you haven’t filed since 82, they will be knocking at your door soon, BET ON IT!!! Start looking over youe sholder, bud!!

      • Average Joe Patriot

        Well that clears that up. Nice to know that every child starting his first paper route has this so clearly spelled out to him, so he can explain it to his adult paper route manager and those who employ him subsequently. Just explain on your next job application that you refuse to pay taxes or SS or FICA. Impress your new boss right up front.

        Amazing how so few Americans know all this (and are willing to opt out, since it’s so carefully explained in plain language and bold print everywhere you look; heck, even the judges who have the power to put you away for tax fraud know this stuff, right?).

        The fact remains, whether we knew we could opt out or not, they took the money. They didn’t tell us it was to be used for undeclared “wars” and $300 toilet seats installed by no-bid contractors, they told us we’d get it back upon retirement.

        It does not matter in the slightest that our current “leaders” inherited a corrupt system created in the 1930s. They have benefitted by it and are still benefitting by it. If they think they can afford to bail out car companies and investment banks, perhaps they can also afford to pay us our money back as they and their predecessors have said they would. Many people have based a significant portion of their retirement plans on getting that money back, which they paid in in good faith.

        Some of you have said here these people should have done the sensible thing and provided for their future in the possible event they were being ripped off by the very country they’ve voted in, even risked their lives for. Even though the harder they might have labored, the more they were paying in, for the privilege of being ripped off.

        Sounds rather ass-backwards to me. To be a hardworking American patriot, contributing to the system, all the while planning for the day when that system betrays us all. Who does that? Why should we expect the average American to do that?

    • wrsrvn67

      I agree with you, but the powers that be will not let Paul be nominated. He would take too much power from them. That said, I think Ron Paul is the only solution to the countrys problems right now. The only other alternative I see is Cain, and the Machine won’t let that happen either. The republican Party wants Romney. I think if Paul or Cain were nominated either of them could win. With Romney all you get is another loser of the same caliber as what we have in the White House now.. I could be wrong but i don’t think so..

      • bp

        Agree. Newt Gingrich or Ron Paul, or both.

  • robert

    for thirty years hes stood the same
    and you think this guy is anything like ross perot

    GIVE ME A BREAK ronpaul2012 com

  • http://hmsa mike

    RP, this country needs you.
    the united states needs a new kind of president. we dont need the same anymore, as it has gotten us into scary times.
    ron, one thing…
    please keep or increase spending on our defence.
    the world has negitive intentions, and we need everything we have to stay afloat!

    • Natalie Brown

      I hope Ron Paul will resolve issues with illegal immigration. All illegal immigration should deport back their home countries. Americans shouldn’t pay to make easier survival for illegal immigrants.

      • JohnB

        Natalie, Ron Paul has said on multiple occasions that he would not give any amnesty to illegal immigrants. He would prefer to eliminate any federal help to illegal immigrants.

        • P.Vs

          “The Obama administration today announced it will no longer deport illegal immigrants who don’t have criminal records or pose a security risk to the United States.”
          By definition, illegal aliens have broken federal law. This action all makes perfect sense when you consider that Obama is purposely destroying our economy, enlarging our welfare state, denying Americans the opportunity to work jobs taken by illegal aliens, and basically doing anything possible to garner more votes for Democrats. Lawlessness defines this administration. They want more people with low IQ in this country to be an anti American insane clueless regime survives.

        • bp

          But will he deport them, John?

      • Sam I am

        If I President, I would just work to end any welfare benefits whatsoever to anyone who is not a US citicen, period. Churches, soup kitchens, etc., would be free to provide meals to them as is their right to engage in charity. The only exception would be hospital emergency room service for an illegal who has life threatening injuries, but then they would be handed the bill, and taken out and deported by force if they can’t pay it.

        • Sam I am

          this apporach encourages illegals to pack up and move out on their own, and has the added benefit of not pissing the liberals off by having armed storm troopers forecably evicting the illegals. Just end all welfare benefits, anchor baby benefits, colledge benfits, etc. and punish workers with extreme fees if they are found to be hiring illegal labor.

        • Brian

          presidents have to be able to form sentences and spell citizen

    • Brian

      I don’t think it’s necessary to hand out huge government contracts to corporations like Raytheon to do nothing but research new weapons. We already have some of the most destructive weapons on earth at our immediate disposal. Do you realize exactly how much money we spend on the military that we could instead use to balance the deficit? Or ideally never have to forfeit through taxes in the first place.

  • Clint

    His thoughts are certainly good to hear, sadly he will not be able to enforce or enact all the proposed actions. Social Security is a good program and if they quit stealing money from it, it will be there for those who need it for countless decades down the road. As for the Presidential salary pay cut, let’s be realistic. Does the President pay for the Utility bills at the White House? How about the Grocery bill? What do we as citizens really know about the perks that come with the position? When all the extras are thrown in, what is the tab to the USA per year for the position of President?

    As for Ross Perot; if all the people that said they were going to vote for him actually did, he most likely would have won the bid by popular vote.

    • Jag

      Salary is just the tip of the iceberg; how much does just one “date night” in NYC cost? Then you have all the vacations that cost millions.
      Ron would put a lot of people out of work, and they would have to get an honest job, where they would be required to do something useful.

      I would fear for Ron’s life if he were elected President; since he isn’t beholding to the internationalists, like all the subversives that want one world government. Funny how things change, just a short time ago, we were called black helicopter, for exposing these people’s agendas, where now they tell all that will listen, exactly what there agendas are.

      When is the last time we didn’t have government agencies stacked with CFR members?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Those things don’t make me fear for his life as much as the fact that he has called for an audit of the fed!!

    • kantstanja

      “When all the extras are thrown in, what is the tab to the USA per year for the position of President?” Well Clint..

      I really don’t think these perks are recorded (except in one of those ‘hidden’ books) which brings up my position. We have to pay for the welfare (yes! I said ‘welfare’) of all politicians.. Do you think they buy their own gas to get to work? Or pay out of pocket for trips to Cancun in order to “mull over” the directions the g’ment has put upon zambuzi (or where ever) now that it’s in America’s interest? These politicians (on the whole) are the rich everyone is nagging about.. Their focus should be on power, not power and more wealth. So, these people should not be paid a yearly paycheck for more than $1.00.. After all, it’s the power and prestige their seeking.. the money is that cherry on top. Eliminate the political payroll and you’ll find people running because they want to make a difference.. Then of course, instead of a bloated retirement program that they didn’t put a dime into, they should receive the maximum social security that all Americans are limited to (beyond their own personally invested retirement efforts).. End the perks of after-serve and don’t allow s.s. until the actual retirement age and not merely when they get out.
      Can no one see that not only are we allowing these political crooks to screw us over, but we’re paying them big money for their efforts.

  • Altaica

    Go Paul! I’d for one prefer to put my SS income tax into a secure retirement fund instead of this bull the government pulls. I’m sick of paying money for a retirement program I know I’ll never get to use. He should cut those for life pension and healthcare benefits that the fat cat politicians enjoy too, and start stripping their salaries down to be commensurate with their actual job performance.

    • Christin


      I’m with you on that! We can save our own money in our own account that the gov goons can not raid with the lock box key and take for their own booty… unless the banking cartel inflates our money.

      Congress don’t have to put in to Social Security or obamacare. I say if Congress makes a law, then EVERYONE has to follow it… if it is a bad law then get rid of it for all.

      Cutting the Presidential pay that much is gusty, Ron Paul… and yes, why stop there… how about those LAVISH gov Pensions and Healthcare for Congress, czars (just eliminate those guys) and the WH cabinet? Who else is benefiting… Judges in the whole Judicial Branch?

      Ron Paul, YOU indeed have the RIGHT idea with your “RESTORE AMERICA” plan stated in this article. Bring back PEACE, PROSPERITY and COMMON SENSE… you go brother!

      Dr. Ron Paul 2012!!!

      • DaveH

        Ron also wants to abolish the Federal Reserve.
        Between 1760 and 1913, the value of the dollar actually increased (as it should be). Since the Federal Reserve was created, the value of the dollar has decreased 95%. That means that what cost a nickel in 1913 would now cost $1.00. Or in other words, you would have been able to buy 20 times the goods and services with $1.00 in 1913 as you can now.
        Pity the people who have scrimped and saved all their lives only to see the value of their nest-egg inflated away.

  • http://n/a chuck malia

    If only the many could see the sense of this? Alas we have legions of
    doubters,and layabouts who have no work ethic at all.

  • Buckeye

    Talk about a “MORON” here is a first class example. Most of you know nothing about the 1920′s but those who do are not interested in going back there. This “NUT” wants the extreme rich and the extreme poor and let dog eat dog.

    • kevin

      And you would be happy letting our current admin feed you and clothe you, how long do you think you would be valuable to them once they realize that you are either to old will not work or just in the way!

    • Lost in Paradise

      Sorry to say BUckeye you are the Moron here. Bought and paid for by the communist party.

    • texastwin827

      Buckeye, you OBVIOUSLY know little about the Great Depression. Yes, many were unemployed and a large part of it was caused by another “bubble” created by the stock market.

      What you fail to realize, we are already in a “depression”…the problem is the politicians use their “creative” reporting method and no longer report the unemployment numbers as they once did.. If they did, people like YOU, would realize, very quickly, we are in some serious trouble just as we were, back then.

      Keep in mind, it wasn’t the everyday person that was jumping out of skyscrapers…it was the rich who didn’t know how to function in the “real” world.

    • DaveH

      You’re the Moron, Buckeye. If you’d pick up a copy of “How Capitalism Saved America” by Thomas DiLorenzo (and read it), you could change that ignorance.
      Or get a clue by reading this:

    • JC

      Buckeye…where to begin? You are obviously working with a limited education because you are speaking in terms of “propoganda”. You think you know something, but you don’t. You’re just repeating something you’ve heard…but didn’t really understand…
      Poor you. ;)

  • Linda K

    Ron Paul is winning straw polls and debates continuously, but is still ignored by mainstream media. He is the only candidate in favor of restoring our constitution, and limiting government interference in our lives. Take a stand today, and research Ron Paul’s track record, and you will see that he is serious about change. For some reason, this scares the mainstream media, it’s time to restore our country, eliminate national debt, and restore personal freedom. Ron Paul is the best choice for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!

    • Doc Sarvis

      I agree that Ron Paul is being marginalized by the media and his small budget. Big money continues to buy you access to the media.

      • texastwin827

        Doc, thanks to everyday Americans, Ron Paul’s budget is no longer small. While he took in about half of what Romney & Perry took in, this past quarter (at 8 million) want to bet he spends it more wisely than the others?

        • JC

          Maybe the military will get behind him again like they did last election, when they gave him more than all the other candidates combined…”all” of em! :)

    • theotherrhalf
    • DaveH

      Ron Paul scares the MSM because they fear Free Markets. With Free Markets nobody is assured to keep their position in the hierarchy. Media Moguls fear the competition for at least two reasons. One, being owners of Big Companies themselves, they don’t personally want the competition. The other is that they hang out with other moguls, and they don’t want their buddies to be subject to the vagaries of competition either.
      With Free Markets you must constantly innovate to be secure. With Free Markets you could be Top Dog one year, and the next year be a Has Been.
      It’s much easier for moguls to buy off their favorite Politicians and get regulatory rules passed to stifle their competition.

    • 1776 again


  • Clint

    What’s a Secure Retirement Program? Stock Market? Mutual Funds? 401K? Who backs that money to be secure? There is no secure program outside of Social Security. If they run the program right, don’t steal from it, it will be there. There truly can be No Guarantee on how much it will gain, but you should be able to get back what you put in; if they run the program effectively and logically. Okay, those are big IF’s, but it’s still the best program there is. Have you checked the stock market or savings interest rate lately? Don’t be fooled by all these political con-men.

    • Commonsense

      Hate to break it to you Clint, but S.S. is in the red by alot. There is no money there! You are not paying attention to it, you are just blindly ranting because I suspect you are close to retirement and you don’t want to see the reality that your government screwed you and if you let them, they will continue to screw you. And anyone out in the real world that pays attention is counting on S.S. about as much as I count on Obama to turn this country back in to the #1 in the free world. All my family has invested in other things for their future because even a moron can see that our government is totally inept! I’ll invest my own money. If I want to blow it, let me, if I want to save, let me. But don’t take it without asking and tell me some government fat cat knows whats best for me. If you need a babysitter, Clint, hire a personal one and quit asking your government to do it for you!

    • Lost in Paradise

      You are very correct Clint. Then if we do save money into another system the gov. will still want a piece of it. The government has become too damn greedy, and powerful. If we could some how get a man like Paul into office, that would help tremendously. Less government, a needs less money.

    • s c

      Clint, for a moment I want to treat you like a man instead of a shrink-wrapped utopian who never learned the difference between up and down. Flemming v Nestor doesn’t mean anything to you, does it? If you can tell me WHY it doesn’t mean anything, I might be inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.
      Flemming v Nestor PROVES that politicians have destroyed Social Security (yes, both parties). Anyone who can’t or won’t understand Flemming v Nestor is a SLAVE, Clint. It is an easy way for people to understand what has happened in America. Our grandparents and parents were lied to for all those years. People all across America were subjected to years of treason, lies, greed and incompetence that makes old Rome seem like a kid’s birthday party.
      Look it up.You can do a Google search, and it will tell you what I’ve already said. You have a chance to understand and act. You have the rare chance to explain to your friends and family the one thing Washington doesn’t want us to think about. Elected criminals in Washington know that when the American people turn against them, they are finished. Are you up to the challenge? Re-read my words about Flemming v Nestor, Clint.
      This may be your last chance to make a difference. Your chance may never come again.

      • Ken Brody

        There is NO arbitrary termination under the Fleming v. Nestor decision. Nestor was deported as a Communist agent, and termination of his SS benefits was a specific part of the law.
        That same law defines a relation between monies paid into SS and benefits paid out. It’s not a contract, but it is black letter law, which is at least as good. How would you go about enforcing a contract against the Fed Government, who has legions of lawyers? The same way you go about pursuing any legal issue against a government agency. The contractual issue is a canard.

        SS benefits are paid out of SS receipts from FICA contributions. If they opt out, the system will be bankrupt. The only way to change the SS system is to phase it out gradually in favor of a government backed private investment scheme, over a decade or more.

        • texastwin827

          SS benefits are paid out of SS receipts from FICA contributions. If they opt out, the system will be bankrupt.

          Actually, the SS Trust probably holds more than enough “IOU’s” to cover those who have paid into the system all their life. The key to allowing the young to “opt” out of the plan will be for the government to PAY BACK (novel idea, huh?) what they have taken from SS for decades. They also need to come up with a better idea for those who have not paid into the system.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            FINALLY! Some words of wisdom!!!

        • s c

          KB, Soc Sec is not a contract. That’s true. However, the first mistake was for Americans to BELIEVE that Uncle Scam had any legal or moral right to FORCE them to accept Soc Sec. The ‘kicker’ is this, K. Congress, in its warped, unconstitutional approach to redistributing wealth to ‘aid’ the poor at the expense of everyone else, “rigged” Soc Sec. Congress reserved the “right” to alter, amend or repeal any provision of the Soc Sec Act. In other words, welcome to a combination of communism and fascism – and to hell with whatever Americans may say or think about it.
          A certain worthless, useful idiot in the W H plans to do the same with his healthcare scam. Force is force is force. Any prez (or scum in Congress) who intends to coerce Americans to do things that are patently UNCONSTITUIONAL deserves whatever befalls them.
          I would ask you what you would to get Americans to understand that 1) we have a functional, working Constitution or 2) it’s time to march on Washington and do to them what they’ve done to America since the damning days of FDR and his mental asylum administration.

    • MNIce

      Clint, don’t be fooled by all those political con-men who tell you Social Security is indispensable and will always be there for you. Don’t be fooled by all those political con-men who tell you that it is safe, but you will almost certainly lose your retirement money if you invest it yourself. The fact is, while my personal investment has declined 30% from what it was before Mr. Obama moved into the White House, the value of my Social Security tax contributions has completely disappeared. (100% loss).

      Where did it go? The government spent every single penny and replaced it with unfunded IOUs. Right now, the government is borrowing money to cover presently due IOUs in the Social Security and Medicare programs. This is unsustainable – we are past the bottom of the Ponzi pyramid and are now digging a deep hole under it. The unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare exceed $116 trillion – about eight times the US GDP, or nearly 1 1/2 times the total national assets.

      Like it or not, Clint, Social Security cannot keep its present form. The only question is whether we will have an orderly change to another system or whether we will let Mr. Obama, Senator Ried and their friends drive the system over the cliff into total economic ruin. I might note that if we had not let those clowns scare us away from fixing the problem when Newt Gingrich et al. proposed making the change fifteen years ago, the solution would have been much less painful.

    • Prosperity

      Do a small experiment. Take a listing of all your SS “contributions” for each year and pretend that you invested them in a DJ index fund that year. Return all earnings to that fund. Sum up all the years you have “contributed” with that compounded interest. I am “retired”, and draw SS, but my return on such an investment would be 2 1/2 times my present SS income, PLUS I would have a portfolio of nearly a million $ to pass on to my kids. Almost all people living on SS would be millionaires. This is what is meant by private investment.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        sounds nice, big returns!! That is IF the fed doesn’t keep devaluing the dollar! That million you want to leave your kids? Give the fed ten more years and it might buy them a years groceries, if they coupon well!!

  • Bobby

    The beauty of Ron Paul’s Plan is: YOU CAN BELIEVE IT! Unlike Obama and the current GOP flip-flopping politicians, Ron Paul is TRUSTWORTHY. He has been saying and doing the same good works for America for over 30 years in Congress. Now it his time to be President and get American back to prosperity. Restore America Now!

    • bob wire

      “The beauty of Ron Paul’s Plan is: YOU CAN BELIEVE IT!”

      I want to think that, I really do but I’ve been fooled before.

      It’s timely for Dr. Paul to offer this and not allow Cain to still the sunshine with 999 plan and all the attention it has created.

      Attempting to shut down government agencies will be met with great opposition by the people that’s income depend on them. Then too, there will these voids to fill. Who’s is going to rush in and fill them? Will they offer the American people a saving or the same thing at a higher rate? How many people will this displace and can we do well without them? Will the private sector rise to the occasion or sit on their hands like they have been?

      To date, RP is the only shinning star in the line up as far as I’m concerned and would enjoy seeing him go head to head with the incumbent and may the best man win.

      • Lost in Paradise

        America could really prosper without all these agency’s that Paul intends to get rid of. Problem is he scares the hell out of the dependency crowd, and of course all illegals that do vote irregardless of their legalality.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest az-ike

        Bob-wire, your comment has hit the nail on the head. No matter how good any potential President’s plan is, nothing will be done unless Congress (House and Senate)is on board with the plan. Our corrupt career politicians (from BOTH parties)will resist Ron Paul’s limited government programs with everything they have.

        That is why it is critically important that we REPLACE every career politician who has served 2 or more terms of office. The replacements MUST believe in the Constitution as written and intended.

        As for government spending, the House of Representatives has 100% constitutional authority to decide what the federal government will fund. They do not need Senate approval or Presidential approval. They need only go through the budget and eliminate anything that doesn’t meet constitutional authority or responsibility. Of course, that won’t happen with all the career politicians under John Boehner’s leadership. Before changing the tax laws and even before altering social security, medicare and military/veteran’s payments, Congress must elimiate all of these extra-constitutional payments.

        I haven’t yet decided if I can support any of the Presidential candidates, although I am leaning towards Ron Paul. I know many of PLD readers are his supporters. So can any of you tell me why, if he is such a constitutionalist, he hasn’t done anything about Obama’s constitutional INeligibility to serve as President?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          how many of those two termers that you would replace would go along with Ron Paul?? By replacing them all, you take the chance of getting more in like peelousy, dirty harry, and bawney fwanks!!! Manditory replacements every two years can cause just as many problems as it can fix!! Take Rand Paul. I imagine he would go along with at least 93% of what his dad wants to do. Can you guarantee me that the guy you replace him with WOULD???

  • tomadachi

    I will vote for Ron Paul. But, let it be known that I have not voted for the winner since Nixon. We absolutely need a smaller federal government. The worker needs to be able to keep most of his earnings in his pocket to be spent exactly the way he desires. We don’t need to be in countries that are haters of us. Ron will set the federal government on the path of fortune for the working class.

    • death to non believers

      u didnt vote for Ronald Reagan ?

    • bob wire

      Not only did I vote for him, I campaigned for him and the father-in-law an(Air Force major) received a presidential appointment for our families large efforts.

      But I was disappointed by his final results at his term end. Reagan’s administration, displaced and disenfranchised just too many working class American families. That he down sized the Fed and still spent more money then the Fed took in, was disappointing. That State, County and City, was left to raise their taxes, licensing and user fees and the “Average Working Private sector American” lost ground. Ground to this day we have failed to reclaim.

      The great American dream has became a reality of fewer and fewer American since the beloved President Ronald Reagan. The top 5 % would argue that claim no doubt, which is most understandable.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DING!! DING!! Hey, you were ringing your and your familys bell so loud, I thought you needed some help!!!

    • iowaheretic

      I didn’t see anywhere in this plan anything about tax cuts for the working people, only corporate tax cuts. And the repeal of a law protecting people against fruad.

      • Becky

        Please go to his website..He has all the information there that explains his tax plan..It helps everyone.

      • DaveH

        Corporate tax cuts are “for the people”. Corporations don’t pay taxes, people do. Taxing Corporations is just an example of using Class Warfare so Politicians can extract more money from the people.
        Think about it. When a Corporation’s taxes go up, what do they do? They raise their product prices (we pay), or they lower their workers’ salaries (we pay), or they make their workers’ more productive by innovating with more capital machinery (less workers needed), or they lose money and go out of business (not good for anybody), or they move overseas to a more hospitable environment.
        One way or another, the whole of Society suffers except those in Power and their Politically Connected Cronies.

  • Phil

    IF he can’t get his message out due to bias in the media he doesn’t stand a chance. I believe Dr Paul has some good ideas. However IF the powers that be say NO,then that’s it ! He is going to have to go beyond the CFR and kiss some serious Bilderberger ass to get approval. All politics is anymore is Billionare meat puppets vs Billionare meat Puppets. The electoral process has become nothing more then an illusion. This planet is going to be governed by the NWO no matter what we do. Prolong what we have for a while, but in the end it looks like evil will win.

    • Lost in Paradise

      Not if we would all get off our dead asses and fight, like true Patriots.


    MR.PAUL, I like what I hear from you. How about cleaning up the almost useless VA while you are at it. Vets have an almost impossible task getting anywhere with them ???

    • s c

      ADC, whether you’re a vet or not, you have not put any effort into learning what you want to know. Why put this on Paul’s shoulders? In the first place, he’s not in the W H. The current resident obviously doesn’t care about vets. They are to be used and abused.
      As for the VA, ask some questions. Read. Monitor the internet. I could tell you where some of the better VAs are, but I won’t do it (because you want easy, quick answers without digging). Taking the easy way out is how we got screwed with Chicago subhumans.
      There are good VAs, and there are not-so-good VAs. One of the best is in the heart of America. Check with some vets. VAs that should be avoided will come up in the conversation. By the way, ADC, what have YOU done to light a fire under the White House Nero who looks at vets the same way Bubba Clinton’s daughter looked at vets, active duty military and the Secret Service? Get going, ADC. Are you a conservative or a utopian?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        While I agree with your advice, I think you are talking about VA Hospitals while DKA is talking about the Veterans Administration. While connected, they are two completely different animals. I will admit, however, they both have the scent of a polecat!!

  • CP

    IF we follow Mr. Paul’s ideas to their logical conclusion, Wall Street will own what of the country China doesn’t, and no working man will be able to afford to own anything but maybe the clothes on his back. Take a look at history before jumping on his bandwagon and riding it right into the middle ages, European style, not American. Then the King owned everything, and you had the use of it as long as he didn’t want it for something else, including your wife or daughter.

    • bob wire

      Hmm? ~ I admit, dissolving the inheritance tax would help create the effects that you suggest would happen. Explain you statement please, what other weakness in his proposal do you see. Let’s us talk and not proclaim.

    • Lost in Paradise

      What do you have now, and what will you have under more socialism and communism. Zip! It is all being taken from you on a daily basis. Take a good look and listen, and learn. It is shocking to say the least.

      • bob wire

        Hmm? Personally, I did well in the 70′s and been going downhill since the mid 80′s with a small up spike in 95 at 1999.

        I’m slow to blame this on socialism but tend to see poor sending policy on the part of the Fed with gunboat diplomacy and along with Bank predatory lending practices and predatory local governments. It seems local government are inclined to think that it requires the best of everything from self flushing toilets to 500.00 dollar office chairs while citizens have to organize and solicit local government in masses to get a creek bed cleared.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          If the things that the government overpaid for WERE the best it would be one thing, but 200.00 hammers, 500.00 toilet seats? there is a point at which things go from “the best” to just over hyped, over priced CRAP!!

          • JimH

            Joe, You need a $200 hammer. You can’t drive a $20 nail with any ol hammer.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            I C!!!!

    • DaveH

      Don’t confuse Crony Capitalism with Free Markets, CP. Ron Paul wants the latter.
      You are totally confused. With Free Markets anybody can succeed, depending entirely on how much effort you wish to expend. Free Market Capitalism is what enabled our country to become the economic powerhouse that it became. Crony Capitalism (the opposite of Free Markets) is what is destroying our economy.
      Thanks to Free Market Capitalism, ordinary folks have access to goods and services that the Kings and Queens of centuries ago could only dream about.
      Pick up a copy of Thomas DiLorenzo’s “How Capitalism Saved America” and get yourself some education.

  • Carl B.

    Hurray for Dr. Ron Paul! Finally, a comprehensive plan to make some meaningful cuts in the federal size and budget. I’m all for it and America should embrace his ideas.

  • Donald

    We’ll never find out!

  • jim

    how would you exspect ron paul to become president? this man has just stated so much common sense the average american person after so many years of not being able to find their behind with both hands will not be able to comprehend. a lot of america thinks the federal government is a person with pockets of money. the government has become a snake in tall grass and it’s our money. cut those hand out programs and massive government jobs and bring us back to sanity.

    • DaveH

      You’re right, Jim. For the average brainwashed citizen, Ron Paul’s wisdom is difficult to understand. That’s what we need to work to overcome.

  • kevin

    Ron Paul has not changed his platform for 35 years, less government lower taxes and no foreign aid to those that hate us. Bring the troupes home from countries that do not need our presence and kick the UN out of the USA. He is feared by most politicians because they know he will do the right thing regardless of the impact on the vote buying politico’s and they will then need to make their own way in this world and not be able to become career suck ups living on the backs of the tax paying public. I fear for his life because out political machine has become an evil entity that has no regard for the lives of anyone that gets in it’s way.

  • Ben Tolentino

    The best policy so far. A brilliant move in the right direction.
    A simple solution for a complicated problem.

  • James

    I believe yet another useless entity he’d do away with would be the Drug Enforcement Agency

    • bob wire

      And Game Wardens! half of them anyway.

      It seems a damn Federal Job and a 1st and 15th paycheck (REGARDLESS) makes people think they are God!

      I truly resent it!

      • Lost in Paradise

        You are correct and I too resent it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        While I agree with you to a point, your comment begs the question. What happened get caught fishing or hunting without a licence?? Or did you take too many deer??

    • TruckerTwotimes

      Here here on that, join read and learn more on this big waste of money, prohibition never has and never will work except for those that are making the money from it

  • Becky

    The more I read about Ron Paul and his plans for our future, the more I like him. He has real common sense that most politians don’t have. He is too smart to pull a Ross Perot on us..not when our country is in the shape it is in now… The real question is will we still have a country that allows us to vote by then?

    • DaveH

      Are you talking about the so-called “vote splitting”, Becky? I think Ron might very well attract more Democrats and Independents than he attracts mainstream Republicans, in which case the splitting problem would be more in favor of True Conservatives than the other way around.

  • milton h bush

    clean house of fat cats,while you are at it cut some of the so called fat cats retirement,put them on same med care ar up plain people thanks,and do give em hell!!

  • well iLL tell ya

    Yea it all sounds good, but getting it to happen is yet another. even if we vote for Mr Paul, there are ELECTORIALs that seem to pick & choose for AMERICA. seems the whole voting is an illusion our government wants us to believe. like everything else they TELL us the biggest fable of all from the Obama administration is the death of OSAMA bin. no proof just a story told by the biggest LIER of all time TRUSTWORTHY is what I want from elected officials no more behind closed door, after hour deals that are common place for current administration.take back AMERICA we the people,that are tired of what our government is doing its time to get involved make your VOTE COUNT

    • DaveH

      The electoral college has rarely voted against the will of the voters in their respective states. Faithless electors (those who vote against the will of the voters in a state) have not changed the outcome of any presidential election to date.
      If we did away with the electoral college and instead elected Presidents based on popular votes, then the states with the largest populations would run over the smaller states.

  • Don

    It’s time to reduce the spending! Now. Ron Paul has laid out an honest plan to get started on that. It’s got real cuts and will have real results. It’s the best chance to begin loosening the governments choke hold on the economy and our freedom. Ron Paul’s plan is the best so far.

  • R.H.Karsten

    Dr Paul can’t be accused of being non-specific in his proposed solutions to the problems that have beset our nation since “progressive socialism” has become so popular. In my mind here is the ONE person who can bring our country back to its senses and restore the American presidency into the hands of an American,

  • James

    Now this is change I can support. It’s funny that in a time of cutbacks at home, in business, job cuts, tightening of the budget, no one has mentioned cutting back salaries for our government employees. If a business has a decrease in revenues, the boss has no other recourse but to cut back on the employees or cut back their salaries. Last time I looked we were the employer of government. Isn’t that still true today? Shouldn’t Americans be able to call for cutbacks too. When we the people get control of the funds, then and only then will we be able to fix this. Whoever gets elected needs to limit the power of the IRS. Making it impossible for them to pursue those who refuse to support (or pay taxes) to a government that refuses to represent it people. I ask one simple question….. If employers no longer took our taxes out of our paychecks, How many of us would be sending our tax money to this out of control Government? Wouldn’t that get the message across? Wouldn’t that solve all of our problems. If government had to satisfy the people before it got any money, wouldn’t that make a difference? Somehow we all forgotten who’s in charge here! IF WE REFUSE TO PAY TAXES THEY CAN’T SPEND IT! If small business wants to be represented in all of this, this is how they do it. TELL THE STINKIN’ IRS IF THEY WANT THEIR MONEY THEY BETTER BE HERE ON FRIDAY TO GET IT FROM EACH EMPLOYEE AS THEY GO TO THE BANK! STOP COLLECTING THEIR TAX MONEY FOR THEM AND THEY WILL GET THE MESSAGE QUITE QUICKLY. The consumer is the only one who can fix this. If gas prices are to high? All we have to do is simply quit buying it for a period of one week. They’ll have it running out of their ears and overflowing if we don’t buy it. It won’t take long for them to get the message. It would only take 25 people to block the pumps at your local gas station. Think what an impact that would have on an individual company. Do it and call the news! Block that income for even a period of two or three hours at different stations in your city each day. They will get the message. This sound like a much better place for us to occupy. You’ll get more done faster and with a quicker response. Drive in take a spot, hold it for 20 minutes and let another protester take it. All the while not purchasing anything. That’ll hurt!

    • DaveH

      You would go to jail for nothing, James. Even if all the citizens could and did quit paying taxes, the Federal Government would just keep borrowing from the Federal Reserve until all our dollar-denominated savings were worthless.

      • James

        DaveH, I’m not the ‘James’ who wrote the above comments. I’m the constitutional, biblical, conservative james.’

  • Idependant

    How can we help? The masses need to quickly get this info and have it explained. Mr. paul needs the floor the press is not doing much to get this truly unique individual, note i didnt say politition, his say!!

  • Clint

    I love the bold plan Dr. Ron Paul has put forward. It might be to severe for the majority of Americans to comprehend without further explanations. Therefore, all of his supporters must do whatever they can to inform the populace why this man is our last chance to restore our Republic. The mainstream media has a strong hold over the masses and the educational systems have trained obedient socialist. It’s very difficult to overcome the social engineering. Those of us that are awake must make an effort to inform others. The idea of liberty will live on, but, our ability to stop the current procession towards One World Totalitarian Government will become virtually impossible if we don’t act now!

  • Lost in Paradise

    We can all help, buy donating to his cause as much as possible, and more. We can also help through word of mouth, and really talk him up to others we are in contact with. Get a t-shirt with Ron Paul on it, anything that will get the word out, and quickly.

    It is this, or we need to be true Patriots, and organize, and then revolt with all the might we can summon. We need to act fast, as time is running out. I do think Obama will win unless we do something bold.

  • Lost in Paradise

    I’am currently living in a foreign country, and the people here believe our troubles come from the fact that as a nation, we have walked away from God. I would need to agree with that sentiment. I think we are beginning to look like Soddum and Gamora. I know that is not the correct spelling, but you should get the point.

    • DaveH

      No, while morality is indeed important, whether people believe in a God or not will not save our country. A thorough knowledge of Austrian-style Economics would go a lot further in saving our country:

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  • CaptTurbo

    If the media would treat Dr. Paul fairly he would be leading the pack by a land slide. we are very close to losing our Republic and I am connvinced that Dr. Paul is our only chance to save it.

  • Keith Clark

    Like it or not most of us feel that Paul has good ideas for the internal workings of the domestic Government. What we fear is his position on “external to the Country” issues. We cannot be isolationist and survive this. Most of the world would be happy to see us go and immediatly start planning attacks on us. It’s just a fact. Iran will soon have the bomb because Obama and Hillary don’t have the balls to deal with IRAN. So what would going into isolation like before WWII accomplish? That’s my issue with Ron Paul. If he concentrated some effort to talk about what he would do about the enemies that are sworn to kill me and my family because we are Americans and Christians that would help. He has a lot to bring to the table and this cycle he is proving that he’s not just a “nut” running for election again. I want to hear those ideas. I never want to hold my nose and vote the republican in because it’s his turn again. Grab the microphone and tell us how you will protect this Country from our enemied Mr. Paul.

    • moxy

      yet you do not fear tyrants like Bush II or the Obama, whose arrogance only destroys, and never constructs?
      perhaps an inventory of values is in order..

    • DaveH

      Our military campaigns around the world have put us in a position of danger, not the other way around. At the same time our Government is throwing Billions of dollars away in military actions around the world, they are creating millions more enemies for us. Eventually we will reach the braking point (as have all major Empires in the past) where the number of outside enemies we have created will overwhelm our financial ability to defend against them.
      And it’s NOT Isolationist to quit meddling in other countries politics. Dr. Paul correctly wants to trade peacefully with those countries and make friends instead of bullying them and making enemies.

    • Louis

      Your concern that we would be an isolationist country is valid. But your concern that Paul would take us there is not. Ron Paul is no isolationist. Don’t let the media and the republican talking heads convince you otherwise. Paul is a constitutionalist and he has stated his position is much like that of Thomas Jefferson where we would trade with all nations and yet not intervene in their public square. As far as Iran getting the Bomb, I think we should have no concern if we do not interfere with them. We have the most sophisticated technology in the world to keep our shores safe. We are very adept at protecting our land, if indeed we close the borders to illegal’s. Paul is right again. I would feel much safer with all our troops on our soil instead of having them all around the world.

  • moxy

    Letting people who earn money keep it?
    What a novel idea..

  • 45caliber

    When the government over-spends by over a trillion a year, it is refreshing to see some politician admit that you can’t get the spending under control without cutting that spending by over a trillion a year – instead of a trillion over ten or twenty years.

  • LibertiesLost

    While I agree that our malignant government will steal SocSec, I believe those who have “contributed” for any length of time are actually entitled to — at bare minimum what they put in. Wev’e been taxed for it at government gun point for decades so not paying it back would equate to fraud and theft! As to changing the system so people have a CHOICE to contribute, and thus not have it returned later, I’m all for. I would have opted out given the chance and I think many responsible people would have.

    • “JAVOPE”

      Surely they did, government workers do not pay into the SS program, they have their own retirement plan!

  • Suncoast

    Paul could pay to take the job, after all he is retiring from the House and will be drawing his congressional retirement payments from our tax dollars. He will have no expenses, no car payment or insurance, no utilities, no plane tickets. He is given $100,000 to buy furniture for the top floors. The only thing the president is forced to pay for is purchase of his PERSONAL groceries. Just invite anyone over and the meals are paid for.

    The EPA and OSHA was formed by executive order of Nixon. Probably a good thing when it was done. Now, however each state, all 50 (or 57 if you are Obama reading this)have a state EPA and state OSHA. We no longer need the federal EPA and OSHA. Shut em down. If we had only the state EPAs, the Gulf oil spill would not have been as damaging. The Feds (sitting in an office in DC) were making decisions that over rode the State’s plans that would have worked. So, Ron, shut down the EPA AND OSHA and save another quarter trillion.

  • Rae

    He was doing good until he said slash Pentagon spending and eliminating foreign aid.

    Granted foreign aid needs to be cut to those that don’t at least pretend to support US in the UN voting with us/showing support at least 55% of the time, but how about sending food instead of $$.

    Pentagon spending, well. I’ve always been taught that a strong defense is a good offense. Our military is in shambles, We need a strong miliray or suffer the consequences.

    AND, he fails to mention border security. What about that? We are under siege daily at the border.

    Which brings up the 2nd amendment, our right to keep and bear arms.

  • Jeffrey A. Williams

    First of all Ron Paul if elected president can’t on his own eliminate the departments hes has outlined without the approval of both houses of Congress. He can however not approve any additional funding for those departments. I agree with him that some of these Fed. Agencies need a “Hair Cut” of significant proportions, while others could be combined for purposes of better fiscal performance. Reducing his salary looks good, but does little but show symbolism. Reducing congress members salary would be a better and have more actual fiscal impact.

  • http://none BAP362

    We can all help Ron Paul by making $$ donations to his campaign efforts. I have donated a $100 bucks so far. This way he surely won’t be beholden to any corporation or lobbyist.

  • http://none BAP362

    Let’s pitch in and get Ron Paul elected. Give him $$ donations. I’m tired of politicians giving us gimmicks to get us to vote for them. Take 999 and completely turn it over and the devil is in the details.

  • Bill

    Paul is pandering to the stupid. He is un-electable.

    • BrotherPatriot


    • bob wire

      Maybe Bill, but a Obama / Ron Paul are clearly contrasting options.

      I like that ! a lot!!

      Any other two match ups are just more of the same. Think about it.

      Ron Paul and Obama are both worthy contenders for the job. The only two that truly are and offer hope for change. The GOP has Obama lock down by the short hairs for now, this could well change. Ron Paul is a new deck of cards and a new dealer.

    • DaveH

      Then he’s pandering to you, Bill?
      He’s unelectable? You could fool these folks:

      And consider that, thanks to the MSM trying to marginalize him, he is going to gain much more momentum once more people understand his platform.

  • dan

    finally someone talking about cutting elected officials salaries. Why only the Presidents Salary Ron?. Congressmen anad Senators have all contributed to the mess we are in now too. They should all be pulling in middle class incomes. Don’t tell me that higher salaries help prevent corruption. Ha!.
    Also, I got this in my email this A.M., “Warren Buffett, in a recent interview with CNBC, offers one of the best quotes about the debt ceiling:

    “I could end the deficit in 5 minutes,” he told CNBC. “You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election

    The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only
    3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971…before computers, e-mail, cell phones, etc.

    Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.

    In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the
    message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

    Congressional Reform Act of 2011
    1. No Tenure / No Pension.
    A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen.
    Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.


    ,Whats everyones response ?

    • doc hollidey

      What you suggest is good. We need to eliminate all the members of the current Congress. Vote them all out and start over. Ron Paul as president with a new Congress not paid for by corporations. We, the people, still have the power. We just need to use it wisely by voting wisely. Vote anti-establishment!

    • DaveH

      If we didn’t allow their pay to raise at all, you can bet they would turn against the Federal Reserve very quickly.

  • BrotherPatriot

    Ron paul’s plan…

    “eliminating the Departments of Education, Commerce, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development.”

    …doing the above action would be such a positive first move! We definitely need to remove the Government out of much that they currently have their fingers into.

    The states can handle the people while the Federal Government should be the skeleton in which the states & people are the flesh and blood that makes up the body of America.

    God Bless.

  • Reckless1

    Ron Paul has always had the right ideas in his thinking but the media will never let him be heard. It is not to their advantage because THEY need a Rino to be elected that they can control. What I would want Paul to add to his agenda is the elimination of the election for the position of Senator by the population. This is an appointed position given to the States in the Consitution. Returning power to the states, controling the access of the fed into state rights and giving the states true say in the agenda of federal government is a hugh step into limiting their control.

    • DaveH

      Yep, the Seventeenth Amendment should be repealed.

  • http://Bigfaceone Don Richardson

    Ron Paul is one of my two candidates to assess for president. Romney isn’t the other one.

  • Brian

    “Paul also calls for a 10 percent reduction in the Federal workforce which may be achieved by eliminating the Departments of Education, Commerce, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development.”

    Additionally for your consideration: As of September, 2009 2,838,491 civilian Americans were considered part of the federal workforce. This plan effectively eliminates 30,000 jobs.

  • Buck

    WOW !!! Ron Paul has just jumped to the head of the pack on my list , Michelle Bachmann has always been my number one choice and I still like her , but Ron Paul just jumped into the lead for me . I also like Herman Cain but he lost some favor with me when he rolled over for the muslim brotherhood . Ufortunately , Michelle Bachmann has been dropping because the press will not tolerate a women president unless she is a democrat , The same is true of Herman Cain and black candidates , Like Allen Keys , the press would not support him but fell all over themselves kissing Obamas poeterior because he was a black democrat . I would be really shocked if they did not treat Mr. Cain the same way . At any rate , Ron Paul , who has always been close to the front in my book , has jumped into the lead in a big way . Of course , being a non-minority they can only paint him as a radical , even though Obama has proven himself to be the most radical president in my 69 years . What will it take to wrest control of the press from the politboro ?

  • Fuzzy

    The big problem I have with Ron Paul is that he is too radical. I will not vote for anyone that is willing to put America on its heels as far as our defense. No matter what happens in the world there will never be peace where we would not have to keep our defense at its readyness to defend America. This is the problem we have now with the socialist president we already have. Don’t get me wrong I am not comparing Ron Paul with BHO, I do give Ron far more credit than that. I am just saying that one of the most important of the three jobs the president has is to keep America SAFE. Our military defense is at its lowest it has been since the 80′s and our borders have been ignored per our Federal Government. Anyone can come in or go out of this country without being questioned the way it is now and I don’t see that being changed with Ron Paul. With all do respect I like Ron Paul and he has done a good job but I want someone that uses some common sense in dealing with problems around the world so my vote is going to Herman Cain.

    • doc hollidey

      What could be more radical than the extreme position our current politicians have put us in? We need RADICAL change!! Your thinking is off kilter to me.

    • DaveH

      Oh, come on. Our military is spread around the world, wasting billions of our dollars and soldiers’ lives for the benefit of Crony Capitalists. Bringing them home would NOT make us less safe. It would make the Crony Capitalists less wealthy though.

  • Patricia Krenik

    Very interesting ideas. I don’t like the idea of the President of the United States receiving a $39,000 income. Rather shameful, and underpaid. Consider the President doesn’t exactly have a 40 hour work week. How about $150,000?

  • Mirage

    Ron Paul ain’t gonna do JACK, because the deck is stacked against Main Street in favor of the top 1%: the group this site obviously supports, as evidenced by its disdain for the “Occupy Wallstreet” demonstrators who have taken to the streets for change to the very system this site’s authors ralley against!
    This site’s stance regarding said peaceful demonstrations, make sense from only one perspective I can think of: if you’re backed by wealthy right wing money from billionaires like the Koch brothers.
    For this site to not support grass-root movements like “GET MONEY OUT”, also makes no political sense, unless you consider this site is probably backed by extreme right wing money, that deep down does not want change to the system. Just stir up the “natives” with talk of communism and muddy the waters so the real issues go unexamined.
    Oh well, just remember, Jesus Christ was a liberal, and if he were around today, he wouldn’t stop speaking out against the government until some things got done – like for starters, all Americans having access to affordable health care, versus the Right’s plan: don’t get sick!

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Mirage,

      You write: “unless you consider this site is probably backed by extreme right wing money, that deep down does not want change to the system.”

      Preposterous. Extreme right wing money wouldn’t speak to us if we called them up on their secret number. We are privately-owned, privately-operated and fund ourselves by the sweat of our own brows.

      And if you believe that deep down we do not want to change the system, then you haven’t been reading what we’ve been writing. I’ve been the same for the entire 42 years of my newsletter and website. Go to (subscription required) and read the back issues for proof.

      Best wishes,

      • Mirage

        To think one man like Ron Paul can change a political system where a corporation is viewed as a “person”, and infinite monies can be pumped into a campaign, is foolish.
        If Ron Paul were to become our next president, life for Main Street would not improve, and Wall Street/Government would continue to pilfer, just like they’re doing. One man cannot over-haul our system.
        Great change through demonstrations can occur, though sometimes the only way to implement substantive change, it to PHYSICALLY TAKE IT, like our fore fathers did in the 16th century. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
        “Get Money Out” and the people taking to Main Street USA, are largely made up of people who are tired of the social imbalance between Big Money vs everyday people, and they’re doing something about it.
        Polls indicate the overwhelming majority of AMERICANS are on the side of the demonstrators. To paint these demonstrators as largely unamerican for spending their money and their time in being physically present for change, like many from this site are doing, is UNAMERICAN.
        Your site rails against government, and then takes sides against americans peacefully demonstrating for positive change for Main Street – that makes no sense and is illogical.
        Therefore, my claim of “Koch type money” being present here. For a site that preaches “conspiracy” behind every corner, perhaps your crowd will appreciate the irony of my contentions. I’m being ironical here.

  • Robert Redfern

    Of course healthcare costs will be cut by 75% by stopping the monopoly created by that well know organised crime partnership between big pharma and the AMA. Why do I say crime? It is a fact they are fined billions of $ for fraud, fixing studies and bribing doctors. Unfortunately they do not get fined for blackmailing doctors to peddle their drugs. They pay the fine with a laugh and then proceed to raise their prices and terrorise the government and population with fictitious infections. Of course they bribe first WHO officials to support their fraud. To be fait taking on these gangsters will be harder than the Taliban bu to be fait the Taliban do not kill 10% of the Americans killed by these gangsters.

  • Russ Bryant

    I agree with SC, it is time for real change and Ron Paul may have a real shot this year. The current Prez has shown us all what he can do. But don’t forget that we need to change more that the commander in chief, a lot of other positions must be changed too. I am for real change that will truly help the Country. I am tired of supporting people that refuse to work.

  • http://N/A Ira D. York

    There is only one thing about the Democratic party that I don’t like, and it is taking guns away from Americans who follow the law.
    I live on a fixed income, and I believe that the GOP has no love at all for the poor, and disadvantaged. When all you care about is your business, and not the ordinary American who’s just trying to get by,
    then there’s something terribly wrong with your thinking.

    Ira D. york

    • DaveH

      Actually, Ira, living on a fixed income is all the more reason to vote for Ron Paul. When the hyperinflation hits (and it will), those who are on fixed income are going to see their purchasing power greatly diminished. Ron Paul is one of our best chances to stop the Federal Reserve from making our money worthless.

  • Mushin


  • ThomZ

    I have written in Ron Paul in 5 elections; not caring if I was considered odd man out. It was a protest vote that main Parties did not get; but I am certain that each winning and losing did know the percentage of write in vote was some no confidence votes in mainstream approach to continue doing the same old thing expecting difference results for the last 30 to 40 years. His statement always rang studies of Dwight Eisenhower telling us to fear the military industrial complex. And as my Rear Admiral taught in 1963 ‘to fear your government and protect your action; however love God with all your heart,soul and spirit, never the other way around. Congressman Paul represents both concepts so well. As reading How I Found Freedom in Unfree World by Robert Ringer. Too many people go along to be accepted by friends and family; so they re-enforce ‘well we are hoping for change this time’ or maybe next time.

  • doc hollidey

    Ron Paul is our only chance to restore America to her former greatness. A candidate who can speak eloquently and wear a thousand dollar suit does not mean he will be a good leader. All of the Dems and GOP are handpicked by corporations. They don’t care which one you vote for…they control them all by contributing huge dollars to their campaigns. Ron Paul is the only one who does not accept corporate money. The military personnel contributes more to Ron Paul than any other candidate. That should tell people something. Vote Ron Paul and kick out every member of Congress and let’s start over and do it right. America’s people have the power if they will use it. Don’t fall for the same old Dem and GOP tricks.

  • baldmurph

    As I recall, the original proposition was for everyone to pay into a general “retirement fund” which could then support the population which lived long enough to be too old to work until they died with some degree of dignity. Of course, someone had to define everything in governmentese. And when our leaders needed to borrow money (I don’t know if they started before WWII, but that is a logical time to be looking for everything we could BBS) there was a source. After, good times or bad, we/they never paid back, but kept using. If I have that wrong, go ahead and tell me. I no shame be wrong sometime. Which brings us to today. Ron Paul has an idea. Will it pan out? Will future generations do better voluntarily building retirement funds than we and our fathers before federal strongarm? That remains to be seen. It appears we will fulfill the ancient Chinese curse: we will live in interesting times!

  • eddie47d

    Ron Paul is a fairly honest guy who sticks to his beliefs and I admire his willingness to only take a $39,336 salary. Although there seems to be a punch line somewhere on that amount. Since the President is the CEO of America and in charge of 312 million citizens a trillion dollar defense industry and about half the citizens screaming at him daily then Paul’s figure doesn’t make any sense either. Will he live on his millions like some politicians do or lock himself up in the White House and never go out. Yet his figure does beg the question of why CEOs of large companies make anywhere from 2 million on up to a billion dollars.Then they only employ a few thousands of people. I have always said that CEOs are way overpaid for what they do and Paul is apparently proving my point.How much is too much and who has the courage to tell these corporate crooks that they have been milking our system for too long. You guys no longer seem to be our friend and need to be taken to task.

    • DaveH

      It’s none of your business, Envious Eddie, how much Corporate Owners pay their employees. If you want to protest, then don’t buy their products.


    I wish we had candidates like Ron Paul in Canada. How refreshing to have a politician that is willing to reduce the breadth and depth of government. However, I can see that his ideas will upset a lot of people with vested interest in the status quo and they will be actively fighting to preserve their wages and power.

  • Larry Cowden

    Screw him and the horse he rode in on! Those cuts to the Departments of Education, Commerce, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development will hurt all Americans and open the doors for big oil, gas, coal and other major polluters to run rampant over our environment! Our students already lag behind other countries in critical areas of math and science. His program would reduce our students to Third World status while opening the flood gates to other countries with more highly educated workforces. Without the Energy dept., who is going to reign in dangerouse companies? No wonder he’s been gagged all these years! It should be permanent!

    • DaveH

      Useless Fear-Mongering, Larry.
      The money that goes to pay the useless interfering bureaucrats would be much more productively spent by the people who owned the money before it was stolen by Big Government. That will help all Americans except those who are feeding at the trough.
      Our environment was just fine when I was a kid, and the Government spent about half of what it spends now.
      Our students lag behind other countries DESPITE the fact that we throw more money at education then ever before. That is an indictment of Government involvement in education, not the other way around. But I wouldn’t expect Liberals to learn from that since they advocate a system of Big Government that has proven itself a failure throughout history. For some reason, Liberals ignore experience and just keep throwing more fuel on the fire in the hopes that this time it will go out.
      For those who have half-a-brain, here is reality:

      The Bigger Government gets, the smaller the economy gets.

    • 1776 again

      How is it that our education system was the best in the world until the NEA hired Saul Alinsky, the original community organizer, to get Jimmy Carter elected so he make our state school systems FEDERAL aka a Department of US EDUCATION ?

      We have federally controlled schools that are educating our children, and have been ever since, preparing the children for world government, at the expense of the parents and grandparents, to the sorrow of the history of freedom as fought for our forebears that fought for liberty at the expense of all they had, including their lives.

  • Robert O’Brien; Brickbat

    God Bless you all for good responses. Let me add. . . pieces of paper with numbers are NOT money of wealth. They are debt instruments and Title 26:1275(a) admits debt instruments are NOT taxable and explains further that fed. notes are one of these debt instruments. You work, are paid a check, go to bank cash check, which is a promise or order to pay you money (lawful money), but you only get legal tender and some counterfeit coins. This amounts to counterfeiting by U.S.INC. of Title 28:3002(15). This Corporation is owned by foreign interests that have CORPORATIONS on Wall St. and world wide. NWO do you get it?

  • Charles

    Ron Paul may be electable, but there are problems.
    The country’s problem is that so many people believe the lies told by the Democrats and their proaganda arm (the bulk of tv and newspapers).
    Another problem is Obama is apparently planning to use illegal alien votes. See
    Ron Paul’s problem is that rational Americans want enough armed forces to protect the country in this dangerous world.
    Getting rid of the Department of Energy, the Department of Education, and the others Ron Paul listed is a good idea.
    I think replacing income tax by sales tax offers less chance for Congressional meddling to reward their campaign donors.

  • AJ

    Let’s take out the trash in 2012.
    Vote Ron Paul!!!

  • jopa

    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont was on the tube last night and claimed there was 2.5 trillion dollars in the Social Security trust fund and it is, and will be solvent for the next 25 years.I have heard this before so he may be right.If that money had been in a Wall Street investment we would all be up a creek with the last three crashes.Just think of the fun those Wall Streeters could buy with that SS money.

  • simian pete


    Give us Galt’s Gulch Mr. Paul !!!

    Nothing like a CAPITALIST UTOPIA !!!!!

  • JC

    He’s on the right track if we are to survive as a nation.

  • Linda

    I hope with every fiber of my being that Ron Paul will get elected and actually carry out his plan as detailed above. The atrocities against the American people by Uncle Scam need to end NOW, if not sooner. It’s an utter travesty at a level that is purely unconscionable that Obama was able to get elected amid all the lies and deception he pulled to get there, and that he’s destroyed so much of what was good about our country in the relatively short time he’s been in office. How DARE he spend my hard-earned tax money on things that go completely against my beliefs and desires as a decent American citizen?

    It’s about time that someone who cares about restoring the Constitution is finally putting their neck out to run for President. I’m sick and tired of having all of my constitutional rights stripped away from me step by step before my eyes without having any way to stop it.

    • MayBlitz

      I watched the news. I visited political Web sites. The American people were warned time and time again. Obviously, quite a few Americans are sheep. They want government telling them how to live. They don’t want to be free thinkers. There are so many examples to support this that it would be tedious to list them. The USA is gone. The dream is over. None of us will ever be fee again. Think about it.

  • 1776 again

    About Social Security: when I was 16 and needed to get a summer job, I had to get a Social Security number. When I received my SS card, I read on the back” This is not to be used as identification”

    Your government has seen to it that YOUR SS number is on every data base in the world , and anyone can and they do get that number, as these numbers are sold wholesale. If you have had your identity stolen, more than likely that SS number is the source. ( I’ve had my ID stolen twice, and the SS is the common denominator. ) Moral to this story is: Never believe ANYTHING your government promises !

    • http://?? Joe H.

      don’t know if you will check back but I know about 30 people that have had their identity stolen. All but about 5 of them paid bills and banked over the net. I NEVER pay bills or bank over the net unless it is by a pre-paid card. That way, if they do get the card number all they can steal is the little I have on the card.

  • 1776 again

    ELECT RON PAUL, our only hope for a beginning to liberty for Americans !

  • peter

    Campaign talk needs to be transformed into action. Let’s wait and see if this is all just more of the same old. We got burnt last time out.Can this man really withstand the will of the powers that be? The present potus very early learnt to run with the hounds and hunt with the foxes. Expedience is what it’s known as. You scratch my back and I’ll scratch your back comes to mind.

  • peter

    Should read run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Oops! Sorry!

  • James

    I think Ron Paul would make the best president, but Michele Bachmann stands a better chance to defeat Obama. A white woman could defeat a black illegal alien hands down.

  • Polski

    The problem with this blog/forum and all the other blogs/forums is that all of you are complaining about this or that, but NONE of you is providing an ACTION PLAN to change things, to save our a**. I hope that OCCUPY WALL STREET is the first step to saving our a**. But they need to come up with an ACTION PLAN reasonably soon, or they’ll lose whatever momentum they’ve gained. Since all of you have all these “hoity toity” theories with a communist there, a socialist here, a NAZI everywhere, one would think you could come up with an ACTION PLAN to save ALL our a**s.

  • Bumba

    ginrich, santorum, huntsman, and bachman should just drop out. waste of precious time for paul. they have no shot.

  • MayBlitz

    How about this scenerio…My dad paid into SS. He passed away at the age of 48. My mother gets none of his SS. She also paid into SS. However because she was a Federal Employee for 20 years, she is not entitled to the full amount becasue she has a Federal retirement. Now that is legalized stealing. My dads SS and 2/3 of moms SS went to jose…

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  • Jeremy C

    Hire an actuary to determine which people will perpetrate poverty induced blight on society in their latter years. Then force them to pay into social security. (Please note the sarcasm and substitute psychic for actuary if you like.) The socialist agenda has some, albeit limited, merit.

  • TruckerTwotimes

    There’s some good reading on here, I’m going to stick with waiting on Jesus to come back.

  • Cep

    He’s got some good ideals,but his a little scarey,and to old.

  • Cep

    P.S.-Iwon’t vote for cain either ,.

  • Sunshine49

    Oh, I can hear the liberals now! Ron Paul wants us to live back in the dark ages. How can we survive without the Deparments of Eduction,
    Commerce, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development?

    Just give the power back to the States and the people like is written
    in the Constitution — you liberal idiots! Your demands for giving more power to the government agencies to regulate the people is going to cost us our freedom. If you want to live like a slave to the government,fine, but don’t ruin “my” Republic with your one world order agenda!

    Move to Europe for your socialist “democracy” and see if you like the
    “freedom” you have there. By the way, you only have to give up 75%
    or more of your income to get “free” healthcare over there! And guess
    what — they are running out of money to redistribute so they may want ALL your money and property before they are done!

    I’m just sorry that he doesn’t want to end the EPA too while he’s at it.


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