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Paul Ryan: Just Another Neocon

August 17, 2012 by  

Paul Ryan: Just Another Neocon
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Republican presumptive Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan seems to be becoming a superhero of the GOP as mainstream “conservatives” are smitten to the point of drool-inducing stupor.

And it makes sense. Before the Wisconsin Representative — known as a “budget hawk” and “policy mastermind” — came dashing into the frame, Republican voters’ strongest inclination to cast a ballot for Mitt Romney, the party’s presumptive Presidential nominee, was because his name isn’t Barack Obama.

For the well-informed among conservatives, the mental anguish of having to lie to themselves about Romney being the man who is going to undo or reverse the rapid American march “Forward.” unto an even more massive Federal apparatus and complete socialism is unimaginable. And, to be honest, they are not the conservatives they believe themselves to be. “Moderates,” “hopeless reactionaries” and “ignorant” are all terms that come to mind in describing those who would allow themselves to believe Romney will in any way be restorative to American liberty, but “truly conservative” certainly does not.

Those who proclaim a love for liberty, small government and strict adherence to the Constitution know that Obama has no similar passions, but they also know that Romney lacks the same passions as well.

On the rights of sportsmen and of Americans to be able to defend themselves, there’s that pesky problem about Romney’s penchant for hunting “small varmints.” He has a dodgy gun control record, has claimed to own firearms that he didn’t in an effort to score an endorsement from the National Rifle Association and passed what The Associated Press referred to as “one of the toughest assault weapons laws in the country” when he was Governor of Massachusetts.

But he isn’t a guy named Obama with a questionable 2nd Amendment record.

Romney has faced a constant thorn in his side because he created the basis for the big government health law known as Obamacare during his time as Governor. He recently cited the value of Israel’s individual mandate healthcare plan.

But he isn’t a guy named Obama with an admiration for socialized medicine.

Those worried about the increasingly brazen and tyrannical nature of government spying and police state violations of Constitutional rights can find little solace in Romney’s history. During his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts, Romney issued executive orders to set up two of the Nation’s first fusion centers — the intelligence hubs where vast amounts of Americans’ personal data are analyzed, stored and shared by law enforcement agencies.

The similarities between Romney and Obama far trump the dissimilarity of their names. But, hey, at least the socialized, unConstitutional, disarmed, plutocratic Nation will not be under the leadership of a big government liar named Obama if the GOP comes out on top. It will be a big government liar named Romney steering the ship toward total tyranny.

The Romney ticket is no accident. Beyond shouting about conservative social issues, the Republican Party is no more “conservative” than the Democratic. The Democratic and Republican parties are both bought and paid for by the same corporate interests and work in unison to achieve the same goal of enslaving the American populace to an endless cycle of debt, consumption and war for profit. Romney and Obama may as well be the same man, simply a figurative representation of choice to cloak America’s plutocratic political system.

Of course, the GOP has suffered some consequences by foisting such an Obama-like candidate and expecting their diehards to swallow hard and march on. The party has been met with force by a large contingent of conservatives who refuse to throw conviction aside and support Romney; many of them were Ron Paul supporters, and others are just tired of the lies. These people have not been quiet in their dissidence, and with each shout risk pulling another rank-and-file Republican out of his “well, he isn’t Obama” stupor. As much criticism as the GOP leadership deserves for whoring itself to special interests and lying about having any concern for a Constitutional America, they should get credit for an act of brilliant political manipulation to ensure the proclamations of these dissenters fall on deaf ears.

Enter Ryan, who will go down in history as the most libertarian-looking neocon to have ever walked the halls of Congress.

He’s fostered the image of a budget-slashing maniac, bent on reducing government spending by any means possible.

Republican rank-and-files have been drooling over Ryan since he introduced his House-approved budget plan which seeks to avoid tax hikes and cuts in military spending while simultaneously putting bloated entitlement spending programs on the chopping block. The infatuation with Ryan’s plan to “stop spending money the government doesn’t have” is less for the few free-market ideas presented therein and more for the fact that liberals have been freaking out about provisions that call for a restructuring of Medicare.

If liberals are enraged, however, Ryan’s plan had to be a creation of pure small government genius, right? Actually, no. Ryan’s plan is actually only marginally better than the budget Obama presented. The President wants to spend $3.8 trillion in fiscal year 2013 and foresees spending $5.8 trillion in fiscal year 2022. Obama believes that Federal spending would amount to 22.5 percent of gross domestic product, while revenues would average 19.2 percent of GDP.

Ryan, on the other hand, would spend $3.5 trillion in 2013 and $4.9 trillion in 2022. Spending as an average of GDP would average 20 percent of GDP, and revenue would amount to 18.3 percent. Ryan’s plan is essentially more of the same; it grows government spending and fails to cut anything of substance. But at least it freaked out liberals.

The reason Ryan’s plan could not possibly begin to meaningfully reduce government spending is directly related to his neocon ideals.

He is a supporter of the same illegal military operations carried out under both the George W. Bush and Obama Administrations. He voted to add a trillion dollars or so to the Federal debt burden by borrowing to fund the failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

After begging other lawmakers to follow suit — seriously, begging – Ryan voted “yes” to the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) and “yes” to a $15 billion bailout for General Motors Co. and Chrysler to support crony capitalism and failed business practices. He also voted “yes” on an economic stimulus bill in 2008 and in favor of further economic stimulus to the tune of $192 billion in 2009.

He has sought to portray himself as dedicated to slashing government handouts to non-producers.

During the Bush Administration, Ryan voted “yes” for the massive healthcare entitlement called the limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients; that came with unfunded future costs of more than $7 trillion.

In 2006, Ryan voted to distribute $70 million in taxpayer money in the form of section 8 housing vouchers.

In 2008, Ryan voted “yes” on an unemployment benefit extension from 39 weeks to 59 weeks.

He claims he is a conservative who wants the Federal government to step back and allow Americans to enjoy freedoms granted in the Constitution.

If anything about Ryan is scary, it is his support of big-government nannyism.

He apparently rejects the idea that American parents and teachers should play a bigger role in children’s education than Federal bureaucrats, as he voted “yes” to No Child Left Behind during Bush’s Presidency.

Ryan also shares the belief of the Bush Administration and Obama that Americans deserve no right to privacy from the watchful eye of the Big Brother Department of Homeland Security. He voted to extend Patriot Act wiretapping and make it permanent. He voted against requiring warrants for domestic wiretapping and in favor of eliminating warrants on all electronic surveillance. He also voted in favor of the Internet spy bill, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act.

Ryan voted “yes” on the National Defense Authorization Act and against repealing its provision allowing the indefinite detention of Americans.

Ryan is opposed to any budget cuts in defense spending or to the national surveillance apparatus.

It isn’t surprising that Ryan claims he is a real conservative, even though his record reeks of Bush/Cheney neocon values that do nothing for liberty. Perhaps a quote from Libertarian superhero Ayn Rand — whom Ryan claimed to admire for many years, and bizarrely denounced recently — best describes why he is portrayed as a conservative.

In Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal Ryan’s former favorite Russian-born atheist writes:

The basic and crucial political issue of our age is: capitalism versus socialism, or freedom versus statism. For decades, this issue has been silenced, suppressed, evaded, and hidden under the foggy, undefined rubber-terms of “conservatism” and “liberalism” which had lost their original meaning and could be stretched to mean all things to all men.

Ryan is energizing conservative voters who have, to this point, had no faith in their candidate beyond his not-Obama name. But the Vice Presidential pick’s talents aren’t really in cutting budgets and manipulating policy in the best interest of liberty, as many conservative voters have been led to believe. His greatest talent is the same as any other politician that has been in the White House during the past several decades: using foggy, undefined, rubber terms to make the American populace believe that there is an option beyond plutocratic tyranny in the two-party political system.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • anonymous

    nice to hear from someone who isn’t impressed by him or just spouting party hate at him, i was looking at those same things and wondering how much he is spinning it, seeing how fox news is all over him, i figured he is pretty much worthless.

    • http://Idon'tknow john vance

      You must not watch Fox ! with your brainless drivel you show your ignorence big time

      • sharon

        Re: Fox News, while no political network is perfect, I’ve watched many: from CNN, MSNBC, CBS, and FOX. And I can tell you FOX is by far the best. The reasons are too numerous for this space, but to name a few: FOX is the ONLY network that has folks of different views-atheists, Planned Parenthood folks (I call em killers of innocents), Al Sharpton, Kierstan Powers, Leslie Marshall, etc. I can’t remember the last time the other networks had ANY viable person with a political difference then their own. 2nd-When you have a anchor of a network show (Ed Schultz) actually saying that if he could get away with it, he would vote as often as necessary to get ‘those sob republicans out”-his very words. He went ballistic when we won everything in 2010 and nuts when Walker won. Then there is the “double standard” of negative reporting—Not one word was said about ACORN being crooked until FOX discovered it. Or the hatred they spew at folks who choose to follow the bible: ‘they’re either stupid, racist, etc.” Tolerance apparently is Not a two-way street.

      • http://none d

        bill rilley does not like obama. he can.t stand obama. he makes al kinds of hate ful marks about obama. he is pro obama. he is a republican. i hope obama becomes president and let rilleyeat his words and hat. i do not watch that station because of him, obama obama is the key. i can.t wait till obama wins and make all the republicans eat their hats and run to tell the truth. we got a good man in office. 4 more years 4 more v 4 more good years yes cwitth god he will win val the way to the white house . rilley vtake that to the bank. ha ha blue skies for obama.

    • Jon

      I don’t believe that Ryan, nor Romney for that matter, ever claimed to be perfect. They just say they would do a better job governing than will/do Obama and Biden. On that score, I agree. Of course, it would be nice to have better choices because even their interpretation of “better” leaves a lot to be desired.

      • Pastori Balele

        I am sorry for Republicans this election cycle. I don’t think there is alternative to President Obama on November 6. Obama will be re-elected. Look at electoral map. None of these so called GOP potential nominees are qualified for WH. They are all fake. Look at Romney – for ten years he shipped his money to create jobs in Switzerland and China. Romney left his fellow Americans dry – without jobs. Now he is telling us if elected he will bring back his money to be borrowed by American small business. Romney is a liar. Romney has refused to release his 10 years tax returns. He says if Republicans don’t like it they can kiss his ass. Ann Romney called Americans as “you people”. She does not respect American people. Romney is a Mormon who hates Blacks and other racial minorities. That’s why you don’t see Blacks or racial minorities at his rallies. Santorum wanted to be an “American catholic little pope”. He was telling us how we should behave when sleeping at night. No sex till you’re married. Santorum called us Blacks food loafers and expects Blacks to vote for him. We’re not that dumb. Gingrich is a sinner, adulterer and corrupt. Even his kids say won’t vote for their own father. How can Gingrich expect us to vote for him when his own family hates him? Ron Paul is cozy with KKK groups who are financing his campaign. We run out of GOP candidates eligible for the WH. Now Mitt has Paul Ryan as running mate. That does it. GOP has lost. Our only alternative is President Obama for the next 4 years.

      • jopa

        Sharon;You see folks on both sides of the aisle at Fox because the people from the Democrat party, planned parenthood and such don’t lie and have no fear of being questioned and caught up in their lies.All the other networks are wide open for the candidates to come on but they are really chicken to answer questions that are not given to them in advance and scripted like at Fox.Usually when Fox gets a guest on( From the Democrats party) there will be more than one on the Fox team badgering the guest into a corner picking each sentence apart trying to make a news story out of nothing.Even Paul Ryan is afraid to meet the Senior citizens in Florida today so he is taking his elderly mother with him for protection.Such cowards.Almost all Republicans are even afraid of Rachel Maddow and will not appear on her show because she asks the right questions that they are afraid to answer.Like one of Romneys aides just said, “We cant tell you our plan until after the election , or we would lose for sure”.

      • DaveH

        Can you substantiate anything you said, Pastori?

      • DaveH

        Can you substantiate anything you said, Jopa?
        You are asking us to believe that people, who have no moral pangs about helping themselves to other peoples’ money, would be honest? Give me a break. That is beyond ignorant and naive.

      • APN

        ….and just where do you get your “moral principles” from DaveH?

      • DaveH

        Why do you care, APN, as long as I have them? I wouldn’t gladly pit my adherence to my morality any day against yours.
        For instance, I can’t rationalize killing (except in self-defense) by people in Government by calling it a “military action”, or “war”, or some other such nonsense. And I can’t rationalize stealing by people in Government by calling it “humanitarian”, or “compassionate”, or some other such nonsense. In my book they are still killing and stealing. How about you?
        I also don’t care what people believe as long as they don’t try to Force it on me. In fact, I worry what will happen when the Progressives get their way and finally completely stifle Religious speech.
        But if you want to get into a Tit for Tat over belief in a God, then bring it on, at the risk of waking those up who don’t know why they believe. It’s your choice.

      • DaveH

        I don’t know where that “wouldn’t” came from (loose nut on my keyboard?), but I meant to say “I would pit”.

        • truesoy

          DaveH;

          Just to let you know, it is not a loose nut on the keyboard rather than the ‘loose nut’ on the computer.
          Fix it!!!
          You can thank me later.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • pearl87

        Well, guess what, THEY WON”T BE BETTER. They are WORSE, because, if they are elected, the opposition to the march toward socialism is neutralized. Think about this. We must not accept the poison pill they are offering as a cure for our ills. Instead of “anyone but Obama”, the proper answer is “anyone, but Obama OR Romney”. Make a statement to the slave masters who think they have succeeded in blinding us to reality. Please, please write in your favorite person, but don’t vote for EITHER of these two disasters.

    • Mimi

      Well, it didn’t take long did it. Mr. Rolley and followers. It’s another Sarah Palin moment in our history of the politics of personal destruction. Mr. Obama, the most inexperienced and inept president of our time, who cannot speak without the aid of teleprompters, (and when he does speak off the cuff, he puts both feet in his mouth), is somehow better than the articulate and knowledgeable Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan is even cooler than Obama, because he makes sense, looks great, speaks clearly on the issues, and doesn’t even need a teleprompter! Heavens to Murgatroyd!! The liberals will tar and feather him to the max. Well, tell me liberals, are you better off than you were 4 years ago? I know Connecticut isn’t. I know Florida, Nevada, and countless other states are not. Businesses are being regulated out of business, and this is an administration you admire?!! To repeat a famous line, ” If Democrats Had Brains, They’d Be Republicans”. Well, there’s no chance of that, if you know Democrats. They march to the party line, just like any other oppressive regime. You can prove 1 plus 1 is 2, but that doesn’t mean a thing to them. They just keep on marching. Listening only to their lame stream media, they have all the information they want. We are experiencing a fascist type of government, and half the nation doesn’t see, hear, or realize it. Gullibility in spades! This administration is opposed to using our own fossil fuels for the sake of powerful environmental groups. This administration has been deliberately creating racial friction, class envy, and not upholding the Constitution of the United States. And Democrats are just as happy as clams at high tide. It’s inconceivable!! But it’s true.

      • Jeff

        Wow, Mimi, that’s quite a rant. Lots of passion. Too bad it’s all a bunch of bunk.

      • pearl87

        Everything you say is correct – as far as it goes. What you haven’t addressed is the fact that Ryan/Romney are on the same page when it comes to the most fundamental issues of freedom and rule of law. These two have both signed onto the most egregious violations of our Constitutional rights ever undertaken by a corrupt federal govt. The march toward totalitarianism has advanced so far in the past 20 years, it is breathtaking, and Ryan has been in the vanguard, leading the way.

      • Brian

        Many moderate democrats are seeing Obama has not lived up to the hype and along with independents that voted for Obama will either sit this one out or vote for Romney. The hard core talking heads will never admit they goofed and forgot to even vent Obama. All this so-called dirt on him is being noted. 16 billion in debt, ratings down rated for the first time in history, a DOJ that is as dirty as can be, a Homeland Security that is completely over it’s head and many other things.

    • http://pmbalele.wordpress.com pmbalele

      Paul Ryan is another Sarah Palin. Hot at the beginning and dumb at the end. Ryan is a liar. That’s why his home state is blue – in favor of President Obama.

      • DonR

        pmbalele,
        Then how do you explain Ryan getting elected 7 times, I guess a few Dems must vote for him.

        • truesoy

          DonR;

          He is elected from a congrssional district, that’s it.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

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    • http://Idon'tknow john vance

      You don’t Make sence

  • Warrior

    Well, we definitely know what we have with the current mob regime. Gotta start somewhere. Must apply pressure to that open wound until it stops bleeding.

    • DaveH

      Exactly. We have to start somewhere. That’s something we haven’t done for the last 100 years as Government keeps Growing like the Energizer Bunny. Like any skill, it takes time to develop.
      But you don’t learn how to become a better Tennis Player by playing Basketball. If we want to progress back towards Freedom, we need to start supporting and voting for the only Politicians who share that goal with us even if they can’t win now. Back to the Tennis example, does anybody beat the best without time after time losing to them on the road to expertise? Of course not. It takes practice and perseverance. But does anybody achieve that expertise by not practicing good habits? Of course not. The same goes for our goals of Freedom. We aren’t going to get there unless we start voting for the Politicians who truly strive for that goal — like Ron Paul or most of the Libertarian candidates.
      Quit wasting your votes on Establishment Republicans and Democrats who just want your money and control of your lives.
      Let’s start working towards getting our country back from Greedy Politicians and their Crony Capitalists. Vote Libertarian!
      For Limited Government, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Individual Liberty, and the PEACE that springs from those:
      http://www.lp.org/

      • Sirian

        DaveH,
        I agree with you 100%! But we have to get out of the starting blocks first. Until then . . .

      • DaveH

        You’ll never win a race that way.
        I’ve been waiting now for 40 years now, and most of the rest of you are still in those blocks.

      • http://Idon'tknow john vance

        Won’t happen Dave, people are to orented to repub or dem I personally would like more choices than we in reality have. At this point in time 3rd. party don’t stand a chance

      • DaveH

        And they won’t until you people quit thinking that way and quit wasting your votes on people who have no Principles.

      • jorind

        Dave while I appreciate, and ascribe to, your feelings, I feel that “anyone but Obama” is preferable for the Republic at this point. While I both admire and like Ron Paul, all votes for him are tantamount to voting for Obama.

      • DaveH

        How do you expect to progress toward Freedom, when you keep electing Freedom Takers? Please explain that to me.
        The Good Freedom Loving Democrats (there are those you know) voted for Obama because he was the lesser of two evils (to them), and the Good Freedom Loving Republicans (there are those you know) voted for John McCain because he was the lesser of two evils (to them). This has been going on since at least when I became of voting age (40 years ago). And the Government just keeps growing (what else?).
        How do you people ever expect Government to STOP Growing when you keep falling for that nonsense about the lesser of two evils, and keep voting for those who will GROW Government?
        Your compasses are broken. Get a new ones.

      • DaveH

        Does one need a Math degree to figure out that 2+2 does not equal 5?

      • truesoy

        DaveH;

        Ron Paul?, really? Dave, if he was so great, why then not even the republicans wanted him?.
        Think about it.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • DaveH

        You’ve been hanging around this board for how long, Truesoy? And you ask ME to think?
        Both Major Parties march to the tune of their Crony Capitalists. The Leaders have the Power. The Crony Capitalists fund their Propaganda and Re-elections.
        Don’t confuse Crony Capitalists with Capitalists, because Crony Capitalists are Capitalists in name only. Capitalists operate in Free Markets with voluntary transactions between themselves and their consumers. Crony Capitalists operate in Unfree Markets with coercive aid from Big Government Crony Politicians. That aid can come in many forms — subsidies, quotas, tariffs, regulations (seemingly well-intended but not really), price controls, etc., but in all cases that aid results in unfair advantage for the Crony Capitalists over their Capitalist competitors, and the consumers and the taxpayers suffer for it.
        The Founding Father of Crony Capitalism:
        http://mises.org/daily/3164

      • r.p.

        Keep it up DaveH: It’s nice to hear the voice of reason. ;-)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        truesoy says: Ron Paul?, really? Dave, if he was so great, why then not even the republicans wanted him?. Think about it.

        Because, the Republican party, also known affectionately as the God & Oil Party (GOP) is a division of Halliburton and a subsidiary of the Federalist Society, formerly known as the Federal Government of the United States. Its main function is to boost the sales of Israeli flag lapel pins and magnets.

        As of 2007, despite receiving a good ol’ Texas ‘thumpin’ it is one of the largest misanthropic organizations in the world. Well known for its Ultra-Orthodox Jewish-Leninist practice of democratic centrism, in which no party member is allowed to disagree with the central organization.

        Does that answer your question, truesoy?

        • truesoy

          Jay;

          About the GOP being a subsidiary of the Federalist Society, formerly known as the Federal Government of the U.S., you lost me there.
          …and the God&Oil Party, I thought that was a good one.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • DaveH

        I got off on a tangent and forgot to make my point.
        The answer to your question, Truesoy, is that Ron Paul would unravel much of the Government intrusion into the Marketplace, creating Freer Markets, thus forcing the Crony Capitalists to actually compete fairly instead of getting special advantages over their competitors. This would result in cheaper products, more jobs, and a more satisfying consumer-oriented Marketplace.
        So naturally the Crony Capitalists (in both parties) are going to do everything they can to stop Ron Paul’s election. And the biggest Crony Capitalists of all own the MSM, so don’t expect fair treatment of Ron Paul’s agenda from them.

      • DaveH

        Thank you r.p., it’s much appreciated.

      • Mimi

        You’ve got it backwards. If you vote Libertarian, it’s a vote for Obama. Just be honest and say, I’m voting for Obama. Then at least, you won’t be voting in vain. Clearly, you don’t realize what’s at stake here. Unblock your ears, your eyes and look around at the economy. If you want 4 more years of Obama, with increasing taxes, rationed healthcare, rising prices on everything, out of control debt, and an increasingly unrecognizable America, go with Obama. Abandoned homes, empty storefronts, rising crime, go for it.

      • dark angel

        Amen Dave! The beginning starts with each of us. Each of us must make a choice and accept responsibility for that choice.

        IMO, one would have to have brain damage to vote for either Romney or Obama. Why for the love of Christ would you vote against your own best interests (freedom, peace, fiscal recovery, etc.)?!!!

        To those of you who would say that not voting for Romney ensures an Obama 2nd term, I’d say “who cares?” Based on all the info available about both of them, do you HONESTLY think there’s an iota of difference between the two? If any, it’s by degrees only. I say flip this around. If you don’t vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson, YOU will be the reason for our country’s demise. YOU will have made the conscious choice for one of those turds. By your vote you will be BEGGING for war, socioeconomic collapse, a police state and the death of your country.

        And one day when you are old and dying of shame because it’s not covered by Obama-care, as you can look into the haunted, vacant eyes of your children who have no future, you will know with certainty you got exactly what you voted for in 2012.

        Not me! I want live and love freely as a humble servant to our creator. I wish to live a life of honor, truth and justice. These aren’t just words-they MEAN something! I want fresh air, clean water and wholesome food. I want to see my wife smile contentedly, I want to hear the laughter of not only my children but those too of my neighbors. I want peace and a hopeful future for ALL of us. THAT is what I will vote for.

        What are you going to vote for?

      • APN

        …and according to DaveH: “And they won’t until you people quit thinking that way and quit wasting your votes on people who have no Principles.”
        _____________________________________________________________________

        “you people” being the KEY WORD in his statement!!!! You feel DUMB yet folks??? Once again, the ALL OMNIPOTENT DAVEH has SPOKEN!!!! So shall it written, so shall it be done!

        Folks, Daveh is a man that says that “GOD the Creator” is a myth! In fact, he equates GOD to Santa!!! In other words, if you believe in GOD, well, your just a dumb foolish CHILD! Basically the SAME foolish principles that progressives have.

        I’ve asked ole DaveH on numerous occasions to explain to us just where he gets HIS SUPERIOR MORALS and PRINCIPLES from??????? Shucks, dumb ole me just can’t get him to answer that question. Maybe from the MONKEY he evolved from? I don’t know, beats me!!!!

        You see folks, there are really VERY few differences between DaveH and King ODUMBO, both assert themselves as SUPERIOR intellects that set our standards on MORAL PRINCIPLES!!!!

        RUN!!!!!! As fast as you can from these worldly FOOLS!!!!

        APN

      • DaveH

        “You people” as in “you people who believe that voting for Politicians who actually have Principles is a wasted vote”, and then wonder why we never have Principled Politicians.
        And, APN, seek help. You need it badly.

    • Sirian

      Agreed!

  • Tom Cook

    You almost leave me in tears. I don’t trust Romney; I do hope that he will act better as President than he has sometimes in the past with his gun control and socialist healthcare in Massachusetts. You undercut my hope that at least Ryan has put forward a plan to control entitlements which are our greatest threat and which doomed Rome to total decline. I tend to agree with everything you say; but, I must hope for the alternative is to take up arms and march on Washington and kill every democrat in that cesspool.

    • eddie47d

      Until Tom can acknowledge the cesspool on Wall Street ,Bankster rules and Republican faults nothing will change. You are too one sided to be credible.

      • Dale left coast

        eddie . . . was it not Dimmicraps that allowed the Wall Street Banker to get into the investment business?

        • truesoy

          Dale;

          No, it wasn’t the democrats who started it, but they piggyback (although not all democrats went along) on it when the Reagan administration put it in motion, and in that regards they must share the blame.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • eddie47d

        Thank you Truesoy.

  • http://Frontier Brad

    Sounds like Bob doesn’t like Ryan…

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Bob didn’t write the article!!! Are you accusing him of not allowing voices that disagree with him? The other article posted today praises romneys choice.

  • Mary Smelser

    When you look at the alternative, giving the opposition any ammunition only helps the current divider in chief, President Downgrade. Why wouldn’t you wait until after they win, if they win, to rein them in?

    • DaveH

      Nancy?
      “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it”.

  • ryan

    Well, I admit, I am one of those conservatives that got excited about Ryan. After reading this articel I don’t know what to think. I didn’t like Romney in the first place, when he took on Ryan I thought “maybe he will be the reason to vote for Romney” Now what do I do? Now who do I vote for who would even have the slightest chance at becoming president? I really am disturbed by all this. On one hand I know we need to get Obama out, on the other hand I know Romney won’t be much better. Now what?

    • DaveH

      Break the mold. Start voting only for those candidates who really have Principles, especially the Principles of Freedom.
      http://www.lp.org/platform

      • Nobody’s Fool

        DaveH, if you’re talking about voting for Ron Paul instead of Romney, you are guaranteeing oBlamer’s ascent to the title of King.

      • DaveH

        You are guaranteeing a continuance of Freedom-robbing Big Government.

      • Martha

        I think you are a true liberal Obama supporter in disguise. You want to encourage people to vote for Ron Paul who doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, so YOUR candidate Obama will be guaranteed success. Get your head out of your arse and quit spreading false rumors. I, for one, am sick of garbage that you and others like you spread.

      • http://speedle speedle

        What’s that I hear in the distant night? It…it…sounds like a barking dog. It is indeed. It is Dave H. Dave, in the course of human events your lifetime is but a second. Just because you can’t see progress being made towards restoring American values and prosperity with the Romney/Ryan ticket doesn’t mean it is not happening. We didn’t get in this mess overnight and we wont get out of it overnight.

        Hear this Dave, “radicals” (at least those who advertise themselves as such or are perceived as such by the public) do not get elected president in this country. Regardless of the value of many of his ideas, Ron Paul is unelectable, period. He (deserved or not) is too much shock for the independents and fence riders (who decide elections).. Therefore, we take what we can get and move on from there. It’s like a tug-of-war that takes time to win.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        speedie, freedom and liberty were the very things our “radical” forefathers fought for!!! And you are willing to give that away?!?

      • Dale left coast

        Dave . . . Ron Paul is well past his “Best before date” . . . you might as well write Mickey Mouse on your ballot . . .
        Ryan is one of the few that understand the numbers . . . and anyone who thinks a Romney/Ryan win will not be more of the same . . . no thinking person could believe that . . . Would Romney appoint a gaggle of marxist professors to the exec branch? Not friggin likely . . . November is America’s last chance . . . 4 more years of the O and by 2016 there will be nothing left to fix ! ! !

      • DaveH

        Martha says — “I think you are a true liberal Obama supporter in disguise. You want to encourage people to vote for Ron Paul who doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, so YOUR candidate Obama will be guaranteed success. Get your head out of your arse and quit spreading false rumors. I, for one, am sick of garbage that you and others like you spread”.
        Sorry Martha, but it is you who spreads the Garbage. These straw poll results are from people who actually heard the various candidates speak (something the MSM tries to keep people from doing):
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#Candidate_Totals

        Romney and Ryan will be easy targets for Obama’s team. They will turn what might have been a win for Freedom (with Ron Paul) to a loss for the Republican Followers (with Romney/Ryan).
        Your ears are bookends to a vacuum, Martha.

      • DaveH

        Speedle says — “What’s that I hear in the distant night? It…it…sounds like a barking dog”.
        DaveH says — “Only fools ignore their barking dogs”.

      • speedle

        Nancy, we are not talking about the value of freedom and liberty and whether or not to give it away. We are talking about the BEST way to regain and preserve it. Should we work within the system and effect change (the way it has been successfully done by the leftists, or should we opt to always be standing on the outside looking in pissing and moaning to no avail?

      • APN

        DaveH said” You are guaranteeing a continuance of Freedom-robbing Big Government.

        Once again DaveH, FREEDOM COMES FROM THE CREATOR, not Men! GET IT???

      • DaveH

        There are only those who believe there is no Creator, and those who do believe there is a Creator.
        Many of the people, who believe there is no Creator, want to ram that belief down the throats of others. And Many of the people, who believe there is a Creator want to ram that belief down the throats of others. APN is one of the latter, obviously.
        You couldn’t stand against me in a logical contest, APN, so give it up.

    • http://northwoodsmomblog.blogspot.com Tanya Thorne

      I personally have gotten over the need to feel like I “won” something. There is nothing to win at this point. Both options are the same. I’m tired of being played by an establishment that uses people like Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan to try to trick me into voting for terrible candidates. It’s alright to write in your vote or not vote at all. My non-vote or write-in will be a vote of “no confidence”. I’m withdrawing my consent. Hope that helps.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Tanya, I am sooooooo there with you!!! I’m not playing THEIR game ANY LONGER!!! The words that come out of their mouths DON’T match their ACTIONS!!! Judging them by their ACTIONS, they are ALL THE SAME!!! We are at an urgent crossroads in our country. If we don’t ACT to change the status quo, we’ll have nothing left! We’ve been led around by our noses long enough! THEY TELL us WHO we can vote for!!! I REFUSE to be limited by who THEY say I can vote for!!! Those who have to plug their nose to vote will be responsible when we get more of the same. It’s very OBVIOUS to me that if THEY’RE telling you who to vote for…you don’t want it!!!

      • Martha

        And YOU are just one of the reasons our country is in the mess it is in today. Attitudes like yours are what destroys, or allows people like Obama, to destroy what was once a great nation. The sad thing is, you want to drag the rest of the country down to hell with you.

      • http://northwoodsmomblog.blogspot.com Tanya Thorne

        Nancy, I agree completely. You are responsible for what you give your support to. In our system, there is no way to vote AGAINST someone.

        Martha, that is a really tired argument. People who continue to support more of the same from both parties are the reason we are where we are today.

        I wonder how many of those who are holding their noses and voting for Romney are willing to be held personally accountable for his actions if he becomes president.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Martha, Martha, Martha, WHY would you keep voting for MORE of the same?!? Just because they put it in a different package doesn’t mean it’s changed at all! BOTH the democrats AND the republicans are following the SAME agenda! BOTH parties have kept us at eternal war! BOTH parties have spent us into a debt we can NEVER get out of. BOTH parties are taking away our rights! BOTH parties supported the patriot acts I and II! BOTH parties supported the ndaa! BOTH parties support this ILLEGAL president and his executive orders!!! If they didn’t, they would DO something about it!!! They are ALL impotent, as they are NOT the ones calling the shots!!! It’s pretty OBVIOUS to me that voting for the party candidate only gets us MORE of the SAME!!! Why can’t you SEE what is right in front of you??? WHY can’t you accept the TRUTH!!! I wish it weren’t so! I only WISH that I had cognitive dissonance on the subject. It was kind of nice and peaceful to be asleep to what is going on. But we have OVERSLEPT and it’s almost too late. WAKE UP!!!

    • Enrique

      You have to vote for R & R. More importantly we also have get a TEA party congress to keep them in line.

      • Sun Rising

        The presidential election no longer matters. We have been conned into the most liberal repubican ticket ever.

        The key to this election is to get a TEA party congress.

        Two items that will cure our woes. The next congress should only vote for budgets and not continual resolutions. And congress should never vote for another debt ceiling increase.

        They should be bold and allow government shutdowns. Every thing is bloated and needs deep deep cuts. That includes defence – the most bloated liberal department in government. More union workers thrive under defense spending than all others combined.

      • SJJolly

        “A Tea Party Congress to keep them in line.” Ah, yes. Romney, behind the pandering to the Republican Right, is actually a moderate Republican With Ryan in the VP office, the Tea Party has the big stick threat of impeaching Romney, allowing Ryan to succeed to the POTUS slot, which will make for a very uncomfortable time in office for Romney. Leastwise until the general US voting population, outraged by the (everything for the mega-rich, and the Devil take the rest of you) excess of a Tea Party controlled Congress, votes them out in 2014.

    • Theodore Gager

      I feel as you do. I have been hoping to see the necessary changes take place in both houses to put a muzzle on the mutts that are running for the grand prize. I’m a Ron Paul supporter and fear that the only hope we have lies with a strong legislature. This executive order crap has got to stop. If not, we are truely at the crossroads to another civil conflict….

    • Carole Ann

      I agree with you NOW WHAT???????

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Say a prayer and do the RIGHT thing!!! Neither romney NOR obumass are gonna save us!!! Only prayer can! I can’t help but think that our prayers will mean more if we back them up with our actions!!! Yes, obumass MIGHT win, but at least YOU will not have contributed to the demise of our country, which will surely be the result if EITHER of these candidates get in!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Also, consider this. I don’t think it makes one bit of difference who you vote for. THEY choose the candidates, THEY choose the winner! It will be what THEY want it to be! The votes won’t even be counted by fair and balanced Americans. obumass gave the contract to a Spanish company of HIS choosing. The VERY LEAST we can do is let THEM know we are waking up!!! Let them sweat just a little! Their plans are to fool us and do all of this under the radar. Tell THEM, WE ARE ONTO THEM!!!

      • DaveH

        Nancy says — “Yes, obumass MIGHT win, but at least YOU will not have contributed to the demise of our country, which will surely be the result if EITHER of these candidates get in!”.
        Well put, Nancy.

  • Joe Hammond

    Why does it seem that our political system is totally inhabited by liars and repressors? Paul was a breath of fresh, truthful air but the corporate media has reduced him to a joke on the Colbert Report…..The Empire gets what it deserves……and the Republic dies a little more each day…

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      It SEEMS that way because it IS!!!

  • Chester

    The worst thing about Paul Ryan is Paul Ryan. His mouth continually says one thing, while his record speaks a totally different language.

    • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

      While what you say is true, & R & R are no Ron & Rand Paul…..there’s still a better chance of getting it right with these 2 than with Obama & Clown-Biden & Co.

      With the Repubs, there is a better chance, with Dems, ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE !!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        WHAT in history, makes you think we have even a CHANCE with romney and ryan?

  • GiveMeLiberty

    We are no longer in control, are we? I didn’t realize Ryan was so close to the neocons. Either way, I despise that thinking but I agree with Warrior, we must apply pressure and stop the bleeding. That doesn’t necessarily mean we need to vote GOP. We need to solve what caused the bleeding to begin with!

    Side note – speaking of parental involvement in education, my 6th grader brought home a worksheet earlier this week that discussed different world economies. According to this sheet of propaganda, it suggested there were three types of economies: Traditional, Command, and Market. It went on to suggest the majority of the world now uses a Mixed Economy. Which is a mix of Command and Market (a market economy with gov’t controls). For the most part it was all factual though it seemed to favor the (NWO) “Mixed economy”! Most alarming part of the sheet came next. It gave an example of the former Soviet Union Command economy. It suggested, as an example of their old Command Economy, that the Soviet Union was VERY involved in defense-based industries but left the farmers alone! WHAT?! Left the farmers alone? Really? Either the author is totally stupid, ignorant of history or desires to rewrite history! Google “Soviet Union Collective Farming” and you’ll learn about Joe Stalins farm takeover, about their five-year plans, and how unproductive it really was. Yeah, let’s leave education and learning totally to the education system….NOT! If you desire well-rounded, well-informed offspring, I suggest you are totally involved in their education and put a dent in their “five-year” planning!

    • DaveH

      Public School Propaganda is nothing new, Liberty:
      https://www.mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

      • GiveMeLiberty

        I realize it’s not new but it’s typically subtle. It’s becoming glaringly more overt!

    • DaveH

      If you pick up a copy of this book, you will find that we have all been severely Propagandized by those who promote an Unconstitutional Big Central Government:
      https://mises.org/store/Product2.aspx?ProductId=172

      • GiveMeLiberty

        I always enjoy learning and I suspect this will be especially interesting. Thank you DaveH.

      • nc

        DavidH, how much greed is permissable in the unfettered market place of mises?

      • DaveH

        Whatever you voluntarily agree to, NC. If you think a company is asking too much for their product, then don’t buy it, or start your own competing company. Oh, I forgot your Big Government makes that very difficult these days. But that would be a great lesson for you.
        You are certainly no stranger to Greed, NC, if you lust after other peoples’ money.
        Who is greedier, the person who earns his own money through voluntary transactions with his fellow human, or the person who wants to take another person’s earned money?

      • APN

        DaveH, once again, we have been Propagandized by EVIL GOD hating FOOLS!

        • http://pmbalele.wordpress.com pmbalele

          Paul Ryan will be another Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich – only from Wisconsin. Ryan has made it worse for Mitt Romney chance for WH bid. No sane American will vote for R&R ticket. Ryan is hated in his home district. And this is disgusting with Paul Ryan. Just three months ago he called police to eject people who elected him from his office. They demanded from him to hold a town-hall meeting- he refused. They wanted to know why he did not fight against closure of Janesville auto-plant. 2,000 workers lost their jobs when the plant was closed. Now is vetting for creation of jobs. Liar. Secondly, Ryan has angered seniors with his stupid Ryan-care. Ryan crafted a bill to limit Medicare for seniors only up to $5,000. If a senior exhaust the $5,000 Ryan-voucher they are on their own. Caught – today he changed his beat. He says he did not mean that. Really! Liar. Ryan owns grandparents are upset. They depend on Medicare and SS for their living. President Obama listens to people of all races, creed and income status. Let’s prepare to vote for President Obama on November 6.
          Madison, WI

          • Jeff

            Ryan is a fraud. He was a follower of Ayn Rand until he “discovered” she was an atheist (read: sociopath). Ryan is fortunate he grew up in a family made wealthy by the construction of railway lines, then highways. All government contracts. Ryan has never worked in the private sector except a made-up job by his family company. He went to college because of Social Security survivor benefits following the death of his father.

            Under the Ryan philosophy, no such benefits would be available to anyone else. His ultra free market ideology says anyone following him should receive none of the public benefits he has received his entire life. His budget plan will result in senior citizens not being able to afford healthcare while reducing Mitt Romney’s tax rate to less than 1%. Of course, Romney thinks this budget plan is “marvelous.” These guys have no shame. Romney should just say he’s running on a plan to make the Government far more friendly to plutocrats like him.

          • truesoy

            Jeff;

            …and it has also been publishe recently of his family’s business million dollars defense contracts.
            Is it any wonder then that while Paul Ryan puts SS and Medicare on the chopping block, he proposes millions for defense contracts?
            So much for his concept of ‘private’ market. And maybe he could tell us one more time how much he dislikes ‘government spending’

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Ryan is just another political hack. Interested in the economy doing well only when a Republican can take credit for it,

            snbc.com/_news/2012/08/19/13361928-video-paul-ryan-defended-stimulus-in-2002-when-george-w-bush-wanted-it

          • Jeff
      • DaveH

        And then there are those Religious People who are Evil, and they somehow think that believing in a God makes them not so.
        You’d best hope I’m correct, because if I’m not you’re going to have some Splaining to Do, Lucy (APN).

      • DaveH

        His “ultra free market ideology”, Jeff? We haven’t ever had truly Free Markets in this country because Politicians can’t build their Power and Perks in Free Markets. That is especially true after the Progressives took Power over 100 years ago. And that isn’t going to change with Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney.
        I’m betting you can’t support your obvious dislike for Free Markets with any kind of logic or facts. You’re just spreading Propaganda, hoping the ignorant people won’t question your fabricated facts.
        I think you’re the fraud, Jeff, and I don’t even like Paul Ryan.
        Can you substantiate anything you said, Jeff? Anything? Anybody can spread Propaganda.

        • Jeff

          Dave:

          I’m not sure to which post you’re responding, but I have no problem with free markets. I just don’t think we need to treat them like they were decreed on Mt. Sinai. Markets are the engine of the economy, but to extend the analogy, you also need brakes, steering, and most of all, an intelligent driver. It is too simplistic to say the market did this or the market did that and we mere mortals are powerless to ameliorate its worst effects. That is why the Progressives over the past 100 years or so have enacted safeguards designed to cushion people from the market’s harshest impacts on living human beings (remember them?).

          I have already listed some of those reforms and you doubtless have them all on your dartboard, but they include: workplace safety regulations; food safety regulations; securities regulations; insurance regulations; the FDIC; minimum wage laws; unemployment insurance; environmental protections, labor laws designed to protect the right of workers to unionize, Civil Rights laws, etc.

          When the market is in a downturn and there is insufficient demand in the system, the Government may have to step in and stimulate the economy. This was first postulated by Keynes and I know you and your Austrian friends disagree. You know who does agree – at least situationally? Ayn Rand Paul Ryan. Check this out from February 14, 2002:

          http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-support-of-stimulus-2012-8

          When is stimulus appropriate in the Ryan philosophy? When he wants the economy to do well (i.e when a Republican is President). When is stimulus wasteful, harmful, etc.? When he wants to damage the economy (i.e. when a Democrat is president).

          One thing I have not noticed with all the Progressive reforms over the past century and more is capitalists like Romney in economic difficulty. The Rich are doing just fine. Throwing a few bones to the rest of us has not impacted the ability of the rich to do just fine. Increasing the numbers in abject poverty will not make Romney noticeably richer although the Ryan budget (the “marvelous” one) will reduce Romney’s taxes to less than 1%. The real victims are the upper middle class (like you I presume) who pay huge taxes to pay for the outrageous shelters paid for by Bain’s lobbying.

          http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/bain-lobbying-saved-mitt-romney-millions

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Our rights and liberties have been hemorrhaging under BOTH parties!!! This pressure is NO pressure at all!!! If you vote for EITHER candidate, we shall surely bleed out!!!

  • Miriam

    This just makes it clear why conservatism should always be about policies, not personalities. It was a cult of personality that brought us the bit O.

    In this case, it underscores the need to vote as many conservatives as possible into both chambers of the House. It is in this manner that our country will be able to get back on track.

  • Lueder

    let’s all do what happened when Clinton got in because Ross Perot split the vote. I am a Mormon and I do not like Romney and I am no more excited about him because of his running mate, but my choices are (in order to get Obama out): write in Ron Paul, write in anybody else (thereby diluting the vote), don’t vote, or hold my breath and vote for Romney/Ryan. At this point, I am not voting for Romney, but against Obama. That is something I never dreamed I would say because I believe that a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil

    • DaveH

      Ron Paul is no Ross Perot. Ross was not a friend of Freedom. And his actions seem a little odd to me, considering that he dropped out mid-race, and then got back in, scored 19% of the popular vote, which is pretty dam good for a first time relatively unknown candidate, and then he disappeared from the scene. Slightly Strange? I think so.
      At any rate, Ross Perot wavered all over the scale of No Freedom to All Freedom:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot#1992_presidential_candidacy
      I think the PTBs were exercising their usual stealth methods intended to further subjugate the Mainstreet Americans.

      • Sirian

        HA, I voted for Perot back in ’92. At that time I could see nothing of value in either Bush or Clinton. But with the establishments’ (both parties) mile high, mile wide wall they’ve built over the past 100 years, 19% was at least a showing. And the establishment has pounded back every attempt since. The end result of that election in particular is most certainly regrettable. Clinton? Good Lord!! Yet the wall remains. We’re standing right in front of that wall and so many still can’t see it. We can’t give up – NO, but it will take time DaveH, it will simply take time. As you said, “stealth methods”, a very reliable tool to both parties.

      • APN

        Sirian, the real FACTS of why Ross Perot dropped out of the race is because DUMB GLOBAL GORE made a fool of him and you voted for this guy??? Think about it, Al Gore made a fool of him???????

        WHEW!!!!!!

  • GRAMPA

    A bull dog drool’s just before it tares you a new A_ _
    You wouldn’t feel it because of the chills running up your leg from President Obama.
    But wait that’s is not chills running up,its something else running down HA HA
    It must be nice to be able to walk around in an Ocoma.
    God bless America.
    (GRAMPA)

  • JimK

    Right or wrong, Ryan at the least has a strong understanding regarding math and economics, which is more than I can say for the rest of Congress and the Senate.

    I don’t like the thought of American becoming Europeanize, I Love America and Hate Europe for a vast variety of reasons.

    Today, if you are a Democrat you are leaning so far left you have become a close relative to communism.

    Lastly, “taxation with our representation” is tiranny!

    • Jeff

      Touting Ryan as the intellectual leader of a caucus that includes Michele Bachmann, Louie Gohmert, Steven King, that Fox woman from Virginia, and Allen West – well, let’s just say it’s a low bar.

      • Dale left coast

        Jeff . . . I just know you are much happier with the moooslime brotherhood in the WH having a direct link to the pres . . . this is a fact and the folks have been named.
        Will the US look more like Egypt in 4 more years? You bet it will . . .

  • Dave67

    The GOP are responsible for most of our debt we have today. Romney and Ryan are just another continuation of tax cut and spend and social engineering by taking programs the benefit the poor and middle class who do not have a powerful lobby group on K Street.

    The GOP are a sad bunch.

    • DaveH

      Dave67 says — “The GOP are responsible for most of our debt we have today”.
      Certainly they are complicit. But since you have no credibility, Dave67, how about publishing some links to back up your claims?

      • Dave67

        Surely DaveH since you are full of theory only.

        http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/nationaldebt.asp

        I suppose you will give us more mises.org to somehow prove me wrong…

      • DaveH

        I didn’t say you were wrong, Dave67. I said that you had no credibility so therefore you should post some references to your claims.
        Percentages are the hallmark of disinformers. Here is a more accurate accounting which gives a complete year by year breakdown for each President:
        http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm
        Under Jimmy Carter the National Debt grew from $.65 Trillion to $.93 Trillion in 4 years ($.07 Trillion per year).
        Under Ronald Reagan the National Debt grew from $.93 Trillion to $2.68 Trillion in 8 years ($.22 Trillion per year).
        Under Bush Senior the National Debt grew from $2.68 Trillion to $4.18 Trillion in 4 years ($.375 Trillion per year).
        Under Clinton the National Debt grew from $4.18 Trillion to $5.66 Trillion in 8 years ($.185 Trillion per year).
        Under Bush Junior the National Debt grew from $5.66 Trillion to $10.70 Trillion in 8 years ($.63 Trillion per year).
        Under Obama the National Debt has grown from $10.70 Trillion to $15.12 Trillion (at the end of 2011) in 3 years ($1.47 Trillion per year).
        Obama has increased the National Debt at 2.3 times the rate of the next highest debt increaser (George Bush Jr.).

        • truesoy

          DaveH;iscu
          One thing we must remember when discussing the deficit is that during the Bush administration the cost of the two wars was kept out of the budget but that during the present administration was brought into the open and added to the budget in the spirit of transparency.

          Sincerely,
          truesoy

      • DaveH

        At the current National Debt ($15.93 Trillion), every person in this country is liable for $50,846. Every family (3.1 people per average family) is on the hook for $157,622:
        http://www.usdebtclock.org/

        For even more shocking news look at the other figures, especially the “Unfunded Liabilities”.

      • DaveH

        And your evidence for that fabricated fact is where, Truesoy?

    • http://Idon'tknow john vance

      Dave67
      you are full of it !!! I just wish nut cases like you would do some studying or research before you spout off your BS By the way who has put in the most Debt this country has ever seen
      and more than all presidents combined Hmmmmm your idol Obmua

  • Dave67

    Neocon BTW is a BS term. Neo-Con stands for a conservative that actually gains power and enacts their priorities. corporatism, BS wars and tax cut and spend policy.

    If anyone with a (D) next to their name is a liberal then anyone with a (R) next to their name is a conservative… you conservatives can’t have it both ways.

    • DaveH

      Dave67, the Disinformer, who has been here plenty long enough to understand the difference between a True Conservative and a Neo Conservative:
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/07/disinformation-how-it-works/

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        I am using the same BS you do to describe Democrats… To people like you, they are all liberals…

        Don’t like it? Tough….You make wild generalizations about the left, liberals and progressives… I can give you a taste of your own medicine…

        There is no such things as neocons… That is another way conservatives skirt any responsibility for what they do…

      • eddie47d

        I have said that before Dave 67 and they still continue to lay claim to superiority. They only mention those expensive wars when it convenient or the loosening of bankster rules that gave Corporations and Mortgage companies free reign to screw the public. All have cost this nation dearly and the blame is wide spread.

      • Dave67

        Eddie,

        DaveH is blissfully unaware of his hypocrisy on the matter… He gets his panties in a bunch if you calll a conservative like Bush 2 a conservative, but he is happy to throw the “liberal, progressive” label at any Democrat… Even to a fellow conservative like Ben Nelson (D) or to Obama who has governed as a center right president…

        He just isn’t right wing enough for these people…

        Think about it:

        Obama has stopped the job bleeding
        Obama killed Osama (Sorry, if Reagan defeated the USSR, Obama killed Osama)
        Obama has reduced the numbers of Fed Employees on the books
        Obama got rid of the Libyan Dictator at a fraction of the cost and no US casualties, unlike the conservative war of Iraq.

        On that record alone, if Obama was a Republican, they would already have airports renamed in his honor.

        All while dealing with a opposition party who made it clear in 2008, that they did not want jobs to be their #1 priority, it was to make Obama a 1 term president. This during the worst economic time since the depression.

        The right are funny, ignorant people to these realities…

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “I am using the same BS you do to describe Democrats… To people like you, they are all liberals…”.
        There are Progressives in both major Parties. And I make that point often, Dave67. But if I do generalize in such a manner as you describe, feel free to point that out in any specific instance, like I do with your disinforming comments.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “DaveH is blissfully unaware of his hypocrisy on the matter”.
        Again, Dave67, I say feel free to point out specific instances of my hypocrisy.
        Meanwhile, your personal attacks are groundless and useless. But then that’s the Progressive way, isn’t it?

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Obama has stopped the job bleeding”.
        Oh?
        From the BLS site:
        Total Non-Farm employment for January 2009 (Obama took office) — 133561000
        Total Non-Farm employment for May 2012 (Latest Actual figures) — 133018000
        Over 3 years of Obama and $2 Trillion of Stimulus Packages and we still have 543,000 fewer jobs than when he took office.
        For those who can’t comprehend such big numbers, $2 Trillion is about $6500 per each US citizen, and about $20,000 per family (3.1 people per family). To lose jobs?

      • Dave67

        Ok DaveH,

        “Obama’s not a Marxist? Because the very Progressive Alex says so?”

        There is #1

        As time goes on, I will let you know when you make more of your wild accusations.

      • DaveH

        That’s really weak, Dave67:
        http://i.imgur.com/u6uKN.jpg

        I’ll be waiting breathlessly for your efforts.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        What is weak are your mises.org theory that to put for everything you post here. How much do they pay you?

      • DaveH

        Nobody pays me and I get nothing out of it, save perhaps knowing that my children and grandchildren will have a better future.
        On the other hand, Dave67, the fact that you repeat the same unsupported Propaganda over and over, no matter how many times we’ve proved you wrong, tells me that you probably are being paid, or at the very least an overpaid Government Employee who fears losing his gravy train.

        • Jeff

          Dave, watch out. Your grandkids are after your MONEY.

          BTW, I placed your name in nomination to be Ron Paul’s running mate. I look forward to your debate performance like in ’92.

      • nc

        DaveH, of all of the Presidents listed above and their national debt increases Obama went into office with the biggest mess to correct! Right?? Fixing that, first, required stopping the cause of losses of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS A MONTH (A NATIONAL RECORD) that was occurring BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE. That cost money a better economy would not have cost him! Right??
        Next, what to do about TWO unfunded wars no incoming President had ever faced before! Wars cost money! Big money! Obama is still paying the interest on the money bush borrowed to fight his wars!
        Next, how to put all those poeple who lost their jobs under bush back to work when the companies who let them go are out of business and the others are not hiring. Even though bush and the Republicans had promised in 2000 that by 2009 the country would be rolling in jobs and money if we installed bush’s fiscal policy! As the old saying goes,bush got the godmine and America got the shaft.
        BTW, in theory, the Republican fiscal platform is closer to Mises than the Democrat platform
        which does not speak well for either Mises’s theory or the Republican platform!!

    • Dave67
      • DaveH

        Monthly Change Data? Duh. You do know, Dave67, that a change from 1 to 2 is a 100% increase. You’re really reaching hard for that one.
        I gave the total figures in my comment. We are still short over 500,000 jobs from the day that Obama took office. Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        And spinners can make the numbers look the way they wish them to….As you are…

        You cannot argue the fact that at the end of the Bush admin, we here losing massive amounts of jobs… that continued 5 months into the Obama administration and then things started to turn… Now we are adding jobs, not losing jobs….Albeit as a painfully slow pace because we have not fixed the fundamentals of the economy… trade regs, bank regulation and break up, sound tax and spending policy.

        But you may continue DJ DaveH.

        • truesoy

          Dave67;

          I think that many conservatives lack the ability to make an informed decision at the booth because they don’t seek the truth. Conservatives by the most part ‘parrots’ the official talking points.
          I suggest they google ‘Obama’s kept promises’, and there it will show not only what he’s done but also what he has failed to do, and thus when they cast their vote one way or another at least they would know the reason why they do it.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • http://pmbalele.wordpress.com pmbalele

            If you want to know how conservatives lack the ability to make an informed discussion and decision, please listen to FoxNews anchors such as O’rielly, Hannity, Ingraham, Dick Morris, Crowley and lawyers. These are educated but badly brain-washed. Of course Karl Rove and Rush are college drop-outs so they have excuses to be dumb. I believe FoxNews CEOs has hired them to lie. And I don’t know what they tell their kids and spouses at home. “I went to work to lie and be dumb.” That’s why they are going to lose the war again come November 6. President Obama will be re-elected November 6. I have asked them to start taking aspirin to prevent heart attacks. Last time they went hiding after Obama was elected President. Let’s pray for them.

          • truesoy

            pmbalele;

            Karl might be a college drop-ot, but he is smart and so is Rush and I doubt very much that they believe the BS they spew, they just laugh their way to the bank. Now, about Glen Beck I’m not so sure, I think this guy is a bit short in the brain department.
            It is the people that believe these guys that are not too bright, but they can vote and that is worrisome.

            Sincerely;
            Truesoy

      • DaveH

        I’m spinning? You’re a joke, Dave67. Do you really think any but the most brainwashed zealots buy your BS? I simply present the numbers.
        Here are more from the BLS:
        Total Non-Farm employment for January 2001 (Bush took office) — 132466000
        Total Non-Farm employment for January 2008 (Bush’s last year) — 138023000
        So a brain-dead Progressive might say that Bush created 5 & 1/2 million jobs. But the truth is that Government can’t create jobs (in net) because the jobs they do create come at the expense of more than that amount of jobs that would have been created in the Private Sector if the Government wasn’t stealing their money. The best that Government can do is to get out of the way and quit stealing our money.
        Dave67 is fond of claiming that Austrian Economics are just theory. But the facts are that the Bigger Government gets, the Smaller that country’s economy gets. Anybody with half-a-brain (that leaves out Dave67) can see that here:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

        The Progressives have neither logic nor experience on their side. Yet they continue to spread their Propaganda. Why is that? Could it be that they are benefiting at the rest of our expense? Nah, even a Progressive wouldn’t stoop that low, would they?

      • DaveH

        Truesoy says — “I think that many conservatives lack the ability to make an informed decision at the booth because they don’t seek the truth. Conservatives by the most part ‘parrots’ the official talking points”.
        And you expect we’d get the truth from people who are so morally bankrupt that they think other peoples’ money should be theirs for the taking?
        Google Obama’s Kept Promises? How about the ones he didn’t keep?
        http://www.businessinsider.com/9-campaign-promises-that-obama-has-broken-2012-3#no-super-pacs-1

        • truesoy

          DaveH;

          After the republican engineered ‘corporations are people too’ that later was upheld by the conservative Supreme Court that brought a change to the rules of the ‘game’ you can’t expect Obama to continue playing by the old rules.
          The republicans forced the game change and now are complaining because the other side is playing by the same rules.
          DaveH, you can’t have it both ways, and you know it. To knowingly pretend otherwise is foolish and dishonest at the same time.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • DaveH

        Truesoy says — “After the republican engineered ‘corporations are people too’ that later was upheld by the conservative Supreme Court that brought a change to the rules of the ‘game’ you can’t expect Obama to continue playing by the old rules”.
        What are Corporations, Truesoy, if not groups of people? So if people join in a group, you ignoramuses don’t think they have any rights anymore? And what does that have to do with Obama playing by the rules? That is a complete non-sequitur that only a Progressive could dream up.
        I asked you for some references to back up your nonsense, Truesoy, and of course you couldn’t provide them because your argument is completely fallacious.
        Imagine that, a morally bankrupt Progressive calling ME dishonest.

        • truesoy

          DaveH;

          Lets put it this way. You can not invite a person to a ‘knife’ fight, and then show with a gun and expect the other person not to do the same. You wouldn’t right? so, please, stop being disingenuous.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • DaveH

        Do you even know what that word means, Truesoy? I doubt it. If you do, then prove that I said any thing that is “disingenuous”.

  • DaveH

    Sam says — “Perhaps a quote from Libertarian superhero Ayn Rand”.
    But Ayn Rand was an Objectivist, NOT a Libertarian. Close, but remember close only counts in ….
    http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Libertarianism

  • Ken

    Paul Ryan Voted for?!!

    Paul Ryan’s Principles…

    https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/u/0/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#1392cb297ef8939e_11

    Nuff said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

    I’m voting for Romney/Ryan for the same reason I vote Republican every time; because I’m pro-life and I hope to get a conservative judge on the court. I know the parties are pretty much the same on a lot of issues, but the Ryan pick gave me a bit of hope that Romney will stay flipped on his flip flop abortion stance. I am not willing to take a chance on another 4 years of the babay-killer. I know that the more people who go for Ron Paul, the more likely Obama gets in. I think if we hold our noses on the presidential election, and work hard to get some real conservatives in congressional seats, we just may stand a chance.

    • DaveH

      Lisa,
      How do you square your pro-life stand with the millions of killings that have been done around the world by the US military, which Romney and Ryan support?

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        I square it by realizing that Obama also has supported those wars and would continue to do so, Abortion is one issue I can genuinely differentiate the candidates on. Also, isolationism is one of the areas that make libertarians look like kooks. War may be ugly, and I know a lot of those people don’t deserve to suffer, but there must be reasons that I don’t know for engaging in those specific areas. I don’t think that presidents are just sadistic bastards who want to kill American soldiers, spend billions of dollars, hurt our standing in the world, and kill innocent bystanders for no reason whatsoever. There may be information concerning national security that you and I are not privy to.

      • DaveH

        Since when, Lisa, do two wrongs make a right?
        Libertarians are NOT isolationists. They are non-interventionists. We leave other countries’ people alone to determine they own personal choices. We trade peaceably with other voluntary participants in Free Markets. We expect Government people to behave in the same moral manner that other people are expected to behave. And you call US kooks?
        Lisa says — “War may be ugly, and I know a lot of those people don’t deserve to suffer, but there must be reasons that I don’t know for engaging in those specific areas”.
        You don’t know the reasons, yet you vote for their war-mongering, Lisa? Remind me to have you expunged from the jury if I’m ever falsely accused.
        Lisa says — “I don’t think that presidents are just sadistic bastards who want to kill American soldiers, spend billions of dollars, hurt our standing in the world, and kill innocent bystanders for no reason whatsoever”.
        Of course there’s a reason. They want more Power and Perks, and they can achieve that by intervening in other countries’ business. Those “bastards who want to kill American soldiers” are behaving no differently than those “bastards who want to kill” them. And our military is in THEIR country.
        Read chapter 8 “War and Patriotism” (page 333) and reset your Moral Compass, Lisa:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • Dave67

        DaveH actually has something intelligent to say… well done ole boy…

        Obama DID NOT support the Iraq boondoggle… #1 We killed Osama and we need to get out of Afghanistan NOW and help them rebuild their country Obama was able to do what bush failed to do and he failed because he took resources away from Afghanistan and put them into the lie that was Iraq.

        Nobody WANTS abortion Lisa. Its about control over your own reproductive life… Thats the core issue… I am pro-choice and like most, would like to see an end to the practice of abortion. You end abortion be dealing with the issues that cause women to seek it in the first place… But then that requires work and effort… Easier just to ban…

        How is the war on drugs going Lisa? Cocaine is illegal… Crystal meth is illegal… nobody does it right Lisa?

        Making abortion illegal does not stop the practice… Thats what you want right? I know that is what I want….

        • Jeff

          Dave:

          As I’m sure you know, nothing will fire up the insults on this blog more than saying things that make sense. Wear your raincoat!

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “DaveH actually has something intelligent to say”.
        That makes one of us, Dave67.

      • eddie47d

        Both Dave’s should be agreeing on those issues yet Dave H decided to take a low blow. No wonder everyone seems confused on this site.

      • Dave67

        More name calling from DaveH :-(

        But typical coming from a person with no original ideas of his own.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        well, if thats how you feel, then go waste your vote. But I don’t accept that Obama didn’t support the wars when he has continued both for his entire tenure. Also, your ranting doesn’t help your kook image. I never said you were kooks, but that is how a lot of people see you. The military is an important part of the fed’s constitutional mandate. Obviously you are pro-choice, and I respect your view. My vote reflects my view.

      • Dave67

        Lisa, I do not care about being called a “kook” by DaveH and his ilk….

        Lisa, can you tell me the problem with ending abortion by dealing with the issues that cause women to seek them? If women did not seek them, would that not end abortion? Surely you understand the “demand” side of “supply and demand” don’t you?

        Iraq, Obama could not simply up and leave… you should know that.

        Afghanistan, we got our guy and the organization so now it is time to leave militarily.

        Obama was handed a mess, and these messes are not simple to fix and it is doubly hard when you have Congress bent on acting like children while this country sinks. Obama has failed in many areas, some of it is on him, most however is a team failure. Both parties…

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        Dave67 are you an anarchist then? Should we abolish all laws because some people will inevitably break them? You talk out of both sides of your mouth saying “we should get out of Afghanistan” but also “we should help them rebuild” so which is it? we surely can’t help them from here. Then you say you are pro choice, but would like to see abortion end? which is it? either you believe in choice or you do not. I find you disingenuous to say the least.

      • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

        Daveh you left me on this one! How do you compare a bomb or a gun to an uncaring monster who tears living, but unborn, babies into pieces and pulls them from a mothers womb, supposedly the safest place on earth? Or the “doctor” who uses a long needle to push through the woman’s stomach into the babies heart, injects poison, then sends her to a hospital to have the dead baby removed?

        I have fought in two wars, Korea and Vietnam and have never seen wanton slaughter of innocent civilians. It is a truism that the two combatants are safer than the civilians, for only one side can cause their death, while both sides can kill the civilians. But, in both wars I have see American forces hold back an attack while civilians leave the area.

      • Dave67

        Lisa,

        Back in the 1980′s we supported the rebels against the Soviets… After the Soviet’s left, we left Afghanistan to fend for itself. How did that turn out? We need to help their infrastructure get built right or we invide the same extremists to take over.

        I am for people making their own choices for their lives (Pro-Choice) but at the same time I believe in people (men and women) taking responsibility for their actions which is part of the effort and work needed to end abortion.

        Abortion is not easy for a women mentally and physically, most women do not go into abortion easily, at least not the ones I know. For men to make decisions about what a women should do with her body or what forms of BC if any at all are ok is controlling and pathetic. Do you ever wonder why all of these “religious” figures are male?

        You may think me disingenuous because I disagree with your position and that is your opinion. I would call you misguided because you do not think the issues through properly.

        DaveH may have a mises.org link for you to view in a few minutes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        Dave67, I’m afraid we are grossly off-topic here, but I will respond,although I don’t think this is the place for an abortion debate. People have abortions because they want to have sex but not babies. period. I don’t think all the social programs the govt. can think up is going to do anything about that. And even if they could, people would just call it ‘interfering’ in a woman’s right to ‘choose.’ I can tell you now that any attempt to change my position on this issue is a waste of your time.

        As far as the wars go, as I said in my OP both parties engage in the practice of foreign interference. We have interests in the middle east, both financial and political. I do not have enough access to information regarding national security to make an informed decision on my vote based on this issue. If you have access to govt. secrets that will reveal the intricacies of our foreign policy, by all means….

      • Dave67

        Lisa, you brought Abortion into it and you made the allegation that Obama supported the Iraq war…The first, you are right, is off topic… The second is completely false.

        If Obama supported the Iraq war, he would never got my vote in 2008.

        • Jeff

          Obama’s stance on Iraq was very consistent. He called it a dumb war at the time of the invasion. (When I heard Bush talk about democracy in Iraq, it occurred to me that means Iran wins. I knew that might be beyond W’s understanding, but surely he had advisors who had some knowledge of the area if not any wisdom.)

          When he ran for president, he won the nomination largely on the strength of his opposition to the Iraq War and Hillary’s silly vote to authorize W’s use of military action. Now, W lied to Congress by saying he needed the authorization to avoid the invasion, but politicians as experienced as Hillary should have seen through that (and probably did). After all, I saw through it. To me, Cheney was nothing but an up-dated McNamara – all matter-of-fact style and certitude followed by unadulterated lies.

          But, Obama also said numerous times during the campaign that we must be as careful withdrawing from Iraq as we were careless going in. So, he never claimed he’d end the war immediately. In fact, he stuck to the timetable negotiated before he took office. But, it still took political skill and guts to do that. Do you really think W would have stuck to the timetable or would he have found a reason to stay? Certainly McCain wanted to stay essentially forever.

      • Dale left coast

        “Millions of Killings” . . . ? dave take a breath . . . there were no millions of killings . . . more people died in Chicago than were killed by the US Military in Iraq.
        I think you have confused things with the izzlamo-fascists who have killed many 100′s of thousands in recent decades . . . they may even have killed over a million.
        Your take on Foreign Policy seems a lot like RP . . . just clueless ! ! !

      • DaveH

        Do you people have any cognitive powers at all? I didn’t say I support abortion. I simply asked how somebody who claims to care about unborn babies doesn’t apply that same morality to grown adults (aka Government killings).

      • DaveH
      • Dave67

        Can’t help you there DaveH, these are your people….

        I know what you said and what you meant… But to the religious nuts… the term “abortion” causes them to foam at the mouth…

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “If Obama supported the Iraq war, he would never got my vote in 2008″.
        You mean if Obama had SAID he supported the Iraq war. It took Obama nearly 3 years to finally keep his promise to exit Iraq. And then it was by request of the Iraqi regime:
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-rejects-us-plea-bases

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Do you think it is wise to stop a war cold and just go home after we destroyed the country?

        Do you have a mises.org link that explains that wisdom?

        Obama ended the war on schedule. The idiot GOP like Santorum, Romney and the rest of the clowns on the extremist right would have use still stuck in the mire while precious resources would not have been available for the killing of Bin Laden.

        Yes, if Obama supported that war, I would not have voted for him because I believe that wars should only happen when we are attacked. Iraq was never a threat to this country and they never attacked the United States.

        One of these days DaveH, you might know what you are talking about.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        DaveH I believe I answered you clearly and concisely. There are many issues on which you can base your vote, I have chosen mine. Unless Jesus Christ himself came down and ran for president, you are not going to find a perfect candidate. But I am beginning to see that that is exactly what Ron Paul followers think they have found.

        Dave67 on what basis do you call me a religious nut? My tounge-in-cheek comment to JC in my response to DaveH is my only ‘religious’ reference.

        I thought this site would be a place for some intelligent debate. Disappointed. I hope you all enjoy another 4 years of Obama

      • Dave67

        Lisa,

        Where did I call you a “religious nut”?

        I did not… But since you are on the subject. Too many on the right look at a person’s stance on the issue of abortion and vote accordingly even if it is against their economic interests.

        The perfect candidate does not exist. You are correct. The problem is us… We allow politicians to lie to our faces and think that is ok. Where else to we allow anyone to have that level of deceit and get away with it? We have allowed big monied interests to control the debate, We have allowed public service news to become infotainment and we have allowed two parties to convince us that they are the only game in town.

        But what do I know? I am just a liberal…

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Do you think it is wise to stop a war cold and just go home after we destroyed the country?”.
        Just a minute, Dave67, I’m going to try and find my grandchild’s Dick and Jane book so I can explain this to you on your level.
        We got out of Iraq because the Iraqi Leaders didn’t want us to be there anymore. They asked us to leave. Capiche?
        The article I linked to stated that. You did read the article, didn’t you? Of course you wouldn’t. You’re not here to learn anything, only to spread misinformation.

  • Ginger

    OK, you had your say. What is your solution?????

    • DaveH
      • Dorian Douglas

        I am a libertarian. Voting for a libertarian who can’t win is voting for the worse of the other 2. And the only thing worse than that is not voting. How about voting for the constitution (as much as possible). And Ron Paul ain’t that guy. Perhaps you neglected to read the part in the constitution about “provide for the national defense”? He has neglected it.

        And what is his economic plan, except to abolish the Fed? Good idea, but it doesn’t fix the rest of the problems. A one-trick pony isn’t the answer.

        Wise up,

        Dorian Douglas

      • DaveH

        Dorian,
        You’re no Libertarian. Quit pretending.
        What has defense got to do with military interventions all over the world into other countries’ business?
        Ron Paul’s stance on defense:
        http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/national-defense/

      • DaveH

        Dorian says — “And what is his economic plan, except to abolish the Fed? Good idea, but it doesn’t fix the rest of the problems. A one-trick pony isn’t the answer”.
        One-trick-pony? That sounds like something the multi-personality Flashman would say.
        Ron Paul’s plan:
        http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

        I repeat, Dorian, you are no Libertarian. But you ARE probably a Disinformer.

      • DaveH
      • eddie47d

        Lets make it real clear Dorian Ron Paul is extremely strong on national defense and nothing says otherwise. What he is opposed to is foreign aggression into other countries to falsely gain something. Those wars are expensive and does precious little for our integrity.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        OMG!!! eddie, did you REALLY SAY THAT?!?

      • DaveH

        Yes he did, Nancy. I think he’s trying to undermine me.

  • Norm

    Ronald Reagan’s Director of the Office of Management and Budget, David A. Stockman, calls the Ryan plan
    “fairy-tale.”
    “In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.”

    • Dorian Douglas

      David Stockman also got taken to the woodshed by Ronald Reagan, so I don’t put faith in him.

      As to the rest of your comments, you may be right. But Romney above all else is a business man, and has never been accused of what you claim. We won’t know until we give him the chance.

      He did for Mass what was good for Mass (if you don’t understand the difference between Mass health care & Obamacare, you’re not listening). He has promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with free-market, patient based care (and so has Ryan- watch his video at the White House health-care Summit, when he took Obama apart). Romney did for the Olympics what was good for the Olympics. He did for companies what was good for companies. He’ll do his best to do the best for the country. It is in his DNA to fix things. He can’t possibly do woese than what we have. Even doing nothing would be an upgrade.

      Dorian Douglas

  • Geno

    But just imagine for a moment if everyone who thinks Ron Paul can’t beat Obummer just decided to do the right thing and vote for Ron Paul instead of the lesser of 2 evils….what would happen?

    • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

      Even if almost everyone did that, it would split the conservative vote, and Obama would win. This election stands on a knifes edge as it is. Romney is going to need every vote he can get. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

      Even if 90% of Romney supporters went for Paul AND he got ALL of the undecided, he’d still lose if the election were held today http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    • http://www.facebook.com/Brownink09 Frank B.

      Geno, the history of 3rd party candidates is not so good! BUT, we have the internet and the ability to get massive word out to the public. It’s a HUGE fight, but it would sure give the R and D’s a run for the money! If everyone TRIES and actually WORKS to get the word out! Write-in Ron Paul for prez, ABOLISH the fed reserve, and return to the GOLD standard! Quit crying about how a 3rd party vote is the same as a vote for BO, if you want change you can believe in!

      FB

      • UCU

        That – A – Boy

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        yeah, good luck with that

    • Dave67

      That is the thing that makes me mad… People think you have to vote Dem or GOP and to not is a “waste of your vote”

      Their cowardice helps maintain the status quo… It is that status quo that has screwed things up.

      We need people to vote liberal/conservative third party to get rid of the corporatists at the local/state and national levels.

  • El Gringo

    Well Ryan can’t be all bad if he engenders apoplexy upon Democrats at the mere mention of his name.

  • Flashy

    Ryan was Romney’s gift to Pres. Obama. Romney solidified the far right whacked segment of the GOP, and now has to denigrate Obama to bring the Independent voters in. Once the Ryan budget, voting record, stances become better known…they’ll still have the far right whacked vote.

    I’m changing my position though. it will be either a close popular vote and a 30-40 point electoral margin for Obama, or a landslide and Obama wins big. The House is now in play.

    What is energizing the Dems is that they have a candidate in Obama who is playing by the GOP rules and taking the battle to them with vigor. in the past, the Dems would complain, take the honorable high road, and lose as the GOP played a no rules, no honor or shame game. After what Romney did to the field in the primaries, hearing him whine about Obama playing rough is laughable.

    • Dorian Douglas

      Flashy

      If you think Ryan is a gift to BO, watch the video at the White House Healthcare summit, where he took Obama apart. Then look at Obama’s face & demeanor since the Ryan choice was announced. Then look at all the new polls. The man looks beat already.

      As for Romney whining, I see it as good rebuttals, and he is winning (so far) that battle, too. Obama will never get to 50% of the vote, and Ryan will help pick off almost all the swing states. Look at the polls already. The popular vote will be pretty close, because almost 50% of the people are dependent on a government check, and pay no fed taxes. The key will be electoral votes, and Romney/Ryan will win that before midnite on election day.

      Dorian Douglas

    • lol

      Wow, I’ve finally seen flashy cow poop! Hey FLASHY, you’re so full of it (BS) that you obviously don’t have room for honesty and truth. But thanks for the hearty laugh with your lie about the dems taking the honorable high road. I’ve been paying attention for at least 30 years, since I was a teen, and I’ve yet to see it. How about some honest proof?? At least try it once!

    • Dale left coast

      Flashey . . . . the Kenyan Pinocheo in the WH would not know the truth if it knocked on the Wh door. His nose is sooooo long you could hang your laundry on it.
      He and his sidekick, dopy Biden are an embarasement to any thinking US citizen, even a Dimmicrap (a rarity).

  • jorind

    Flashy, as usual, you are still laughable, in a perverted sense.

  • anonymous

    Divide and conquer – the mantra of the left. Why do we help their cause?

    • eddie47d

      The bets are on the table between Dorian and Flashy so remember this day come November 6th. Oh the spoils of political wars! Now what will the winner offer the other?

  • Average Joe

    Sam Rolley,
    Thank you for saying what needed to be said, but quite frankly, you are just beating a dead horse. Some of us have been saying these same things for months. Some of us have been trying to wake up the MSM Tube Zombies to no avail.
    The American people are too busy watching Dancing with the Starz , Jersey Shore, gosiping about who”s been sleeping with whom and whether or not George Zimmerman is a racsist….. to take time to actually vett the candidates in any meaningful way
    Yes,. I know, vetting the candidates…what was I thinking?….there’s a football game on….Sorry I can’t do that…it’s NASCAR time….honey… get me another beer and some chips!
    Those 15 second soundbites that the MSM plays throughout the day are all that they need to make an (un)informed decision as to whom they need to vote for..
    (kind of like a certain commercial)
    Girl: “they can’t put anything on the internet that isn’t true”
    Guy: “where’d you hear that?”
    Girl: “the internet”….
    It works the same with most people and the MSM soundbites…unfortunately….the average voter…is the girl in the commercial…so sad….
    “Here’s my candidate, he’s a French model”
    Candidate: “Bone….jer”
    These same people will vote for Romney or Obama. Some will say “vote for the lesser of two evils”…as if getting to hell an hour later is somehow a better alternative…the same destination… awaits. Still others will say,”a third party candidate can’t win”…not realizing that a third party can’t win…because of people like them…who won’t vote for the third party (circular logic, the catch- 22)… HINT: nobody can win…if we don’t vote for them…Logic simply eludes these folks.
    Unfortunately, the average American voter will not wake up from thier MSM induced coma until the noose is tightened around thier necks…and even after the chair is pulled from beneath them, they will still deny the reality of the situation….it’s just a dream, I’ll wake up and all will be fine ……

    Face it, America is doomed. America will be relegated to a few pages in some future history book ( perhaps only a footnote), “an experiment in self governance that failed do to apathy and ignorance of it’s own citizens”.

    At least when America falls, we can honestly say that we’ve tried to wake them up…to make a difference for the betterment of our nation.

    Once again, Thank you Mr. Rolley

    Best Wishes,
    May god bless you and yours
    AJ

    • UCU

      Well said … Kudos. We are with you …

  • Patriot007

    I’m not thrilled by the Romney ticket but, Obama is no option at all. The more I red from Libertarians, the more I back off from leaning that way. Most Libertarians act like nut cases in a cult when talking about Mr. Paul.I believe Ron Paul is a good guy despite his most ardent followers style. I think Libertarians have good ideas but, I don’t agree with a number of Libertarian arguments namely, it’s view on legalizing addictive drugs and the scope of military power. I’m well aware of the conspiracy to Globalize America into a trade union and the need to weaken America to accomplish this as well as, the Feds role in making this happen. In the initial election process I vote for who I think is the best, but at this stage in the game a vote for Ron Paul is adding to the likely election of Obama. That’s what it does in practicality. Noble yes! Making a practical choice – NO! I’m not trying to insult anyone’s opinion on the matter, just pointing out that voting for the one of the two likely winners is the order of the day and to do otherwise it naive and throwing away a vote. As far as the Ryan Plan is concerned, at it’s heart is to reduce the deficit and revamping Entitlement programs. Politically, Congress will adjust spending and priorities so they’ll workout. It’s a far better plan than to bank on run away stimulus spending and borrowing just to operate a bloated budget. I think my budget plan would work but, I’m not running for office and if I were wouldn’t ask people to vote for me if I wasn’t the party nominee because it would be a throw away vote, when it could have helped the lesser of the two evils likely to win. It is what it is! Any fantasy otherwise is just that.

    • Average Joe

      Patriot007,

      You write:
      “I believe Ron Paul is a good guy despite his most ardent followers style. I think Libertarians have good ideas but, I don’t agree with a number of Libertarian arguments namely, it’s view on legalizing addictive drugs and the scope of military power.’

      Please enlighten us on Ron Paul’s libertarian stance on these two issues. I am guess that you may be a bit…misguided in your assertions…please..by all means..ellaborate for us.

      We patiently wait your conclusions and supporting evidence. Back up your claims.

      Best Wishes,
      AJ

    • truesoy

      Patriot007;

      I don’t think Ron Paul’s people and their beliefs are any less nuttier than yours. As a mater of fact they’d be less harmful to our country than the conservatives would, a thousand to 1.
      Really, you conservatives, have already gone over the edge and now want to take everyone else with them.
      The new republican party should be rename the ‘nutcake party’.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • Patriot007

        Hmmmm, Name calling when you have no intelligence nor practical experience to draw from. By reading other comments you’ve made, what I gather is that you are an Obama supporter…that says it all. I won’t exchange insults with you because you are beneath me in more ways than I care to delineate. So keep insulting people who express honest opinions, maybe you can convince yourself that it’ll change things.

        • truesoy

          Patriot007,

          Yes, Patriot, I’m an Obama supporter, but unlike you that don’t know why you support the other guy, I know why I support Obama.
          If you were making an informed decision on your support or not supporting a particular candidate I wouldn’t have an issue with you and I would respect that; however that is not the case from what you write.
          If I can make a suggestion, I’d ask you to google “Obama’s kept promises” and it will take you to a fact finding site (non-partisan), and you will see listed there the things he has accomplished and the things he failed to accomplished (promises kept and/or not kept).
          I believe it will have an effect on some of your preconceived ideas.
          And regardless of how you feel, keep in mind that one must accept things for what they are and not for the way we want them to be.
          Ps.- one thing that he’s done, and it is great was to increase VA benefits for veterans, among other things.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Average Joe

        Patriot007,

        You write:

        “I won’t exchange insults with you because you are beneath me in more ways than I care to delineate.”

        On the other hand, I offered you a challenge ( with no insults at all) and yet you remain strangely silent and still haven’t offered any proof to qualify your assertions…why is that?
        Could it be that you can’t offer anything because your assertions have no basis in fact? Could it be that you are simply repeating second hand fairy tales?
        I am still patiently awaiting… your proof. I care not for your opinions…but I do care about verfiable facts. Your opinions and $5 will get you a cup of coffee in some places…this isn’t one of those places. Time for you to put up the evidence, or admit that you are simply making accusations..with no basis in reality.
        Am I and my questions also “beneath you”?

        The ball is firmly in your court….play the game or forfiet…the choice is yours.

        The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
        John F. Kennedy

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • cawmun cents

        So true……..
        What I am wondering is….who chooses a jackass to represent their political party,and then brays at OP like they are messed up?
        Why that would be the Democrats,right?
        Cheers!
        -CC.

  • Sharon

    Wow…we’re really in trouble..! God help us.

  • Dave

    40 Points That Prove That Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate

    Michael Snyder
    The American Dream
    Aug 16, 2012
    What a depressing choice the American people are being presented with this year. We are at a point in our history where we desperately need a change of direction in the White House, and we are guaranteed that we are not going to get it.

    The Democrats are running the worst president in American history, and the Republicans are running a guy who is almost a carbon copy of him. The fact that about half the country is still supporting Barack Obama shows how incredibly stupid and corrupt the American people have become. No American should have ever cast a single vote for Barack Obama for any political office under any circumstances. He should never have even been the assistant superintendent in charge of janitorial supplies, much less the president of the United States. The truth is that Barack Obama has done such a horrible job that he should immediately resign along with his entire cabinet. But instead of giving us a clear choice, the Republicans nominated the Republican that was running that was most similar to Barack Obama. In fact, I don’t think we have ever had two candidates for president that are so similar. Yes, there are a few minor differences between them, but the truth is that we are heading into Obama’s second term no matter which one of them gets elected. The mainstream media makes it sound like Obama and Romney are bitter ideological rivals but that is a giant lie. Yeah, they are slinging lots of mud at each other, but they both play for the same team and the losers are going to be the American people.
    Republicans are being told that they have “no choice” but to vote for Romney because otherwise they will get another four years of Obama.
    This “lesser of two evils” theme comes out every four years. We are told that we “must” vote for a horrible candidate because the other guy is even worse.
    Well, millions of Americans are getting sick of this routine. Perhaps that is why it is being projected that as many as 90 millionAmericans of voting age will not vote this year.
    Yes, Barack Obama has been so horrible as president that it is hard to put it into words.
    But Mitt Romney would be just like Barack Obama.
    A D V E R T I S E M E N T

    Those that are dreaming of a major change in direction if Romney is elected are going to be bitterly, bitterly disappointed.
    The following are 40 ways that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are essentially the same candidate….
    1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.
    2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama’s “economic stimulus” packages.
    3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.
    4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.
    5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.
    6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.
    7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the “independence” of the Federal Reserve.
    8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.
    9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.
    10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.
    11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.
    12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.
    13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.
    14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.
    15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.
    16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.
    17. Both candidates are “open” to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.
    18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.
    19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.
    20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.
    21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.
    22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.
    23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.
    24. Both candidates support the practice of “extraordinary rendition”.
    25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.
    26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.
    27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.
    28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.
    29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.
    30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.
    31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a “cap and trade” carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as longas the entire globe goes along with it.
    32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.
    33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney’s “conversion” to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital’s investment in a company called “Stericycle” that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.
    34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.
    35. They both believe that a “two state solution” will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.
    36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.
    37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add “signing statements” to bills when he signs them into law.
    38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.
    39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.
    40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.

    • Dale left coast

      Mostly nonsense . . . but lets just take one item and explore it.
      GM Bailout . . . Romney would have NEVER taken the same approach as O’bammy . . . O’blammy stiffed the Investors and Backed the UNIONS . . . the Unions never lost a thin dime of their hourly rate . . . while the investors lost Billions. The UAW now owns a sizeable chunk of GM.
      Romney would have NEVER taken this approach . . . no thinking person would . . . I suspect he would have propped them up and had them use chapter 11 to reorganize and come out the other end well organized and VIABLE.
      Unlike the O’bammy plan that will have them Bankrupt again in the not to disant future.
      Since Romney was neither in Congress, the Senate or the Executive Branch . . . no sane person could pretend to know how he would have voted.
      One thing that is obvious to all with their grey matter engaged . . . the O’bammy train to destruction will make the US into Greece . . . and sooner rather than later.

      • Dale left coast

        Latest predictions on GM . . . bankrupt by the end of 2012 or early 2013 . . .
        Like O’bammies Mediscare . . . which is also rushing toward bankruptcy . . . especially after he cut it by 700 Billion to fund Obammycare . . .

      • eddie47d

        Ryan also has his Mediscare plan of cutting $719 billion so not much difference. They are both shuffling the deck to win the game.

        • http://pmbalele.wordpress.com pmbalele

          Paul Ryan will be another Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich – only from Wisconsin. Ryan has made it worse for Mitt Romney chance for WH bid. No sane American will vote for R&R ticket. Ryan is hated in his home district. And this is disgusting with Paul Ryan. Just three months ago he called police to eject people who elected him from his office. They demanded from him to hold a town-hall meeting- he refused. They wanted to know why he did not fight against closure of Janesville auto-plant. 2,000 workers lost their jobs when the plant was closed. Now is vetting for creation of jobs. Liar. Secondly, Ryan has angered seniors with his stupid Ryan-care. Ryan crafted a bill to limit Medicare for seniors only up to $5,000. If a senior exhaust the $5,000 Ryan-voucher they are on their own. Caught – today he changed his beat. He says he did not mean that. Really! Liar. Ryan owns grandparents are upset. They depend on Medicare and SS for their living. President Obama listens to people of all races, creed and income status. Let’s prepare to vote for President Obama on November 6.

          Pastori Balele
          Madison, WI

      • DaveH

        Pastori,
        Government cannot create real jobs. They can only take money from those in the private sector, who would have created real jobs, and waste it on Pork Barrel projects which don’t really have a market. If they did have a market, people would buy their products and services voluntarily without the Force of Government being involved.
        The best that Government can do is get out of the way of the private sector and quit taking their money for wasteful pursuits (such as vote buying).
        For those who want to know the real nature of regulations (hint: it’s not for your good), read this:
        http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345337157&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff

        • http://pmbalele.wordpress.com pmbalele

          DaveH: Detroit is now thriving with beautiful cars. I love their car designs. They are beating Japanese cars now. I am planning to buy one. You need a hand somewhere – either through the bank, parents or government to give you capital to start or improve your business. Ryan ran away from his people. Janesville plant looks like a ghost town. All workers in Janesville wanted was a hand. Ryan ran away from them. Now he claiming will create jobs. He is a big liar. Did you hear him today in Florida? He was lying to seniors that he did not intend to implement the Ryan-Care. Ryan-Care stops paying for sick senior only up to $5,000. I was in hospital for appendix problem and stayed there for 3 days. The bill came $6,000. How can seniors with their problems be limited to $5,000? If you have government insurance like Ryan you don’t have to worry who pays bills. Today he lied to Florida seniors – “I did not intend to kill seniors.” Only because he is now running for VP position. Ryan will never claim that in Delevan Wisconsin. People there know him now – Koch brother from another mother. Ryan used to be a good kid – not after he started accepting money from Koch brothers. Today Romney put a clump on Ryan – don’t talk too much about Ryan-care. DaveH – Please campaign for President Obama. President Obama treats people of all races, color, creed, age and sex the same. Vote for President Obama on November 6. Leave R&R alone.

          • truesoy

            pmbalele;

            Don’t you love these conservatives….
            They love America so much that they want it to fail, and they hate the idea that an american manufactoring giant did not fall. They blame Obama for that and now they want to extract a price.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

        • truesoy

          DaveH;

          So the government can not create jobs, really? Well, lets see:

          a) The Interstate Highwy .- It created thousands of jobs while it was built.
          b) Because of the Interstate Highway thousands of business were created and existing business grew more and expanded, like the trucking industry, auto manufacturing, etc, that created millions of jobs.
          DaveH, it might sound really good to you to believe you are an island, but that is not so. But no one is asking for your appreciation if that is the reason you think you must deny the obvious.
          I’ll go one step further in showing you how government involvement in the ‘free’ market has on more than one occasion serve the market.
          You maybe remember from your history class how the railroad united the East and West coast. This was made possible by the people financial collective effort (taxes).
          The private sector wouldn’t have the financial resources, nor the financial will to invest on a project that called for buiding thousands of miles of rails through the middle of nowhere. Certainly there was no incentive for the ‘private sector’ to do it. That is why the government did it. Yet, the free market was the greatest beneficiary for new towns sprung up east and west, and thousands of new enterprises were created. To admit this it won’t take away from the entrepreneurial effort of the individual, it would only acknowledge the to the other contributing factors.
          DaveH, only ungratefulness to society’s financial contribution, and selfish ignorance would make it possible for anyone to deny that.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Take a look at this if there was ever a doubt about Paul (Ayn Rand) Ryan being full of it.

            http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-support-of-stimulus-2012-8

          • truesoy

            Jeff;

            I checked it. It was an interesting revelation, however, I doubt it would change many minds here. Their issue is with Obama and they’ll vote for R and R even if it costs them their first born.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Of course. No one can convince DaveH of anything. I wonder sometimes if he’s as deluded as our Dear Uncle. Dave is convinced that all attempts at socal justice or equity
            are merely attempts to steal his MONEY.

      • DaveH

        Pastori says — “DaveH: Detroit is now thriving with beautiful cars. I love their car designs. They are beating Japanese cars now. I am planning to buy one”.
        Know how to tell that a Progressive is lying? Their lips are moving:
        http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2012/08/15/general-motors-is-headed-for-bankruptcy-again/

      • DaveH

        Truesoy says — “Don’t you love these conservatives….
        They love America so much that they want it to fail, and they hate the idea that an american manufactoring giant did not fall. They blame Obama for that and now they want to extract a price”.
        Thank you, Truesoy, for posting a typically fallacious Progressive comment, so the readers can see just how twisted Progressives are.

        • truesoy

          DaveH,

          Conservatives are like salmoms, always swimming upstream. The difference is salmons have a purpose.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

  • LINDSEY CAMPBELL

    I DON’T CARE MY DOG WOULD BE A BETTER PRES THAN THIS FRAUD WE HAVE IN THERE NOW…REALLY I WOULD VOTE FOR MY DOG…FIRST OBAMA IS THE SCARIEST PERSON I COULD REMEMBER RUNNING MY COUNTRY…EVER! VOTE FOR MY DOG BOO…HE WANTS WORLD PEACE, AND EVERY DOG AND CAT TO FIND A GOOD HOME, AND HE FOUND OUT OBAMA ATE DOG AND HE IS ALL FREEKED OUT THAT A PERSON FROM THIS COUNTRY WOULD EAT HIS FRIENDS!!!! OBAMA BIN LYING MUST GO!!!!!!.

    • truesoy

      LINDSEY;

      …and does your dog also enjoys the fresh air on his face as he sits on the roof of your car while you are driving down the highway?.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • Dale left coast

        Soy . . . if you were a dog, would you rather ride in a kennel on the roof . . . . or be in the friggin stir-fry that was on the dinner table? just askin . . . . lol

        • truesoy

          Dale;

          I guess then, it must be a dog’s life to be a conservative.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What difference does it make to a dog, they stick their head out the window anyway? The dog knows he is with the people who care for him.
        Better to be a live dog than to be scared while you are being killed for dog stew.

  • Gwiz

    and your point is???? I saw no substantive alternative offered to the presumptive ballot we’ve been handed for November election? I agree with much of what you say, but to make the claim that four more years of Obama wouldn’t me much worse than a Romney administration is just plain stupid.

    • Average Joe

      Gwiz,
      You write:

      “I saw no substantive alternative offered to the presumptive ballot we’ve been handed for November election? ‘

      Have you been sleeping? Or, do we deduce that you have been watching only the MSM… up to this point?
      You may want to look into Ron Paul ( you know, the “other” Republican contender?)
      Or maybe…Gary Johnson…the Libertarian candidate for the presidency?
      And please, take the time to actually go to thier sites and hear thier views…from thier own mouths, rather than listening to the MSM “version” of what thier views happen to be ( that includes the MSM 15 second soundbites that only allow us to hear the portions that the MSM wants and allows us to hear).
      Get your info from the actual source…from the candidates themselves. Stop getting your info by word of mouth from secondary “sources”.
      The reason that you’ve seen no alternatives…is that you haven’t actually been looking…and that is your fault …and yours alone.
      One must open thier eyes…if one wishes to see.

      Best wishes,
      AJ

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Politics is the art of being wrong. The name is based on the words Poly and Ticks, Poly meaning many, and ticks meaning blood sucking parasites. Politics therefore means many blood thirsty parasites. Basically these politics/politiks or politicians, exist to drink the blood of the citizens of a nation.

    There are generally three categories of politicians: liberals, moderates, and conservatives. In the economic spectrum, there are Socialists, Mixed Economy/ Social Democrats and Capitalists. Each are equally partial to the sweet, sweet red liquor of the populace.

    Conservatives want to make all but the the richest 1% into slave laborers who are forced to build giant pyramids, whereas Liberals want to allow gays to legally marry you against your will. Moderates strike a balance between the two positions, arguing that gays can only force you into a “civil union” and that everyone should have the option of building giant pyramids.

    Socialism is promoted by intellectuals, scientists and wannabe hippies who believe that they (the intellectuals) are smarter and thus should control the state, which should direct economic activity in a rational manner.

    The opposite of socialism is capitalism, which is promoted by businesspeople, corporations, and spoiled brats who believe they are the most capable to run and direct society on behalf of the capitalist market, because the freedom for corporations to do as they please and the religious pursuit of profit is the very definition of freedom.

    In between the socialists and the capitalists are the social democrats who advocate a mixed economy – a bastardized synthesized version of both of them. The liberals support this position.

    There are also the fascists, who believe war, glory and the nation are most important. They typically consist of people who have not accomplished anything of their own, so take pride in their nation, “race” or megalomaniac leader.

    Politics exists in many countries however the most exciting varieties exist only in the
    United States, where it is sometimes referred to as ‘snuff’ politics due to the amount of Bush and Gore it contains. There is only 1 polit-rule. The politician lies when he moves mouth.

    All members of the government table, partake in the drinking of blood from the citizens. They often vote themselves pay raises, dip into Social Security funds for their home states, and they like to argue a lot over just about anything.

    Whilst the conservative and liberal classes are natural enemies, they are often seen to combine power to rail against the sheer mediocrity of the moderates.

    Furthermore, no individual political party or politician is bound to a particular class and may move from left to right in order to secure the most power. Mass posting extremist views on the net is a common hobby among politicians, this way they attempt to feel bonded to the mundanes annoyed at something.

    Other common hobbies among politicians include “meeting people”, “writing” columns and “submitting false expense claims keeping up appearances”.

    Power is of vital importance to the politic, for without it there is great difficulty in obtaining access to a steady supply of sweet, sweet blood.

    Differences Between Left and Right Politics

    Abortion

    Left: You are on your own until you are born, and then you are showered with government handouts. Before birth, you’re just a disposable, recyclable, useless set of cells; afterwards, you form part of The Collective.

    Right: We protect you like the mad clinic bombers until you are born, and then you are on your own against big mean cowboy capitalists. Before birth nothing is more important than your life, afterwards we draft you into as many wars as we can.

    Space Flight

    Left: We waste billions of dollars for the pursuit of scientific knowledge alone.

    Right: Hey, this is a great place to put weapons!

    Taxes

    Left: We should tax everybody who makes over….wait a minute, let me check my W-2….oh, right…over $37,301, at 100%.

    Right: And the rich stay rich…

    Evolution-versus-Creationism

    Left: Creationism is drunk-rednecks trying to do science with their toes and who probably only have eight as a direct genetic response to much inbreeding.

    Right: The dog-eat-dog survival-of-the-fittest Darwinian thinking is banal, offensive, and animalistic. That kind of stark thinking belongs in Economics, not Science and science is the work of THE DEVIL!!

    Same-Sex-Marriage

    Left: If blue states want to marry goats, pigs, and iguanas, we should have the right.

    Right: Never… mention… that. NEVER!!!!!

    Education

    Left: Supports busing students to other districts and opposes standardized testing so all students can fail get a shot with the same, diverse peer group black hoodlums every year. Why do you think Cleveland sucks?

    Right: Supports keeping people in their own rich white suburbs bubbles.

    TV

    Left: Simplifies everything, while making counter arguments seem complicated.

    Right: Tends to make counter arguments seem complicated, while grossly simplifying own standpoints.

    Health

    Left: State sponsored benefits for those suffering from hypochondria and free wart removal for all citizens.

    Right: The cost benefit analysis shows that replacement wetbacks are more cost effective than maintaining worn out ones. Hey, don’t blame me, that’s the way the capitalist dream works.

    Crime

    Left: Kleptomania, drug addiction, chain-saw massacre, Rape, psychopathy, children post-homicide sexual abuse and overall schizophrenic acts of evil are minor behavior mishaps that should be treated with compassion not punishment. We should address the underlying social issues that cause such maladies.

    Right: Hang ‘em. Doesn’t matter that the offender is ten years old and it was only a cookie, it is the principle that counts.

    Money

    Left: Money is the root of all evil! When we tax your income at 100% we’re actually doing you a massive favour! In fact we should probably charge you to take it away, oh wait, we already do!

    Right: M $ O ^ N * @ 00 $ $ R $ O $ C $ K $ !!! Don’t listen to those commies!

    Ultimate Aim

    Left: To create a socialist, workers state! With beautiful women and plenty of vodka! err, we mean….To increase equality in our society.

    Right: To kill communism and siphon enough money into my Swiss bank acount to buy half of the planet err, we mean…To encourage constant economic growth.

    Center: I got nothing…. To be pragmatic.
    edit

    • Jeff

      And we were told the Unabomber was in custody.

    • Dave67

      I see Jay does comedy too…

    • r.p.

      Very funny, except you got “hippies” confused with “yuppies”. Totally diferent species. :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

      Jay, I thoroughly enjoy your posts. you should have a blog.

  • Average Joe

    I used to hear people say “Put garbage in, get garbage out”, now it seems that with the liberal mindset and that of Non-thinking Americans…. if we put knowlege in…they still spew garbage out.

    I think that my biggest worry is…What is going to happen to America on December 24th, 2012? Why that date? On Demember 24, 2012, the 99 year contract with the Federal Reserve ends. If you have read “The Creature from Jekyll Island”, then you probably know what I am talking about.

    For those who don’t know:

    In 1910 the US Corp. (yes, Viginia, the District of Columbia is a Corporation and not our government),

    [ The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 created a “municipal corporation” to govern the District of Columbia. Considering the fact that the municipal government itself was incorporated in 1808, an “Organic Act” (first Act) using the term “municipal corporation” in 1871 can only mean a private corporation owned by the municipality. Hereinafter we will call that private corporation, “Corp. U.S.” By consistent usage, Corp. U.S. trademarked the name, “United States Government” referring to themselves. The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 places Congress in control (like a corporate board) and gives the purpose of the act to form a governing body over the municipality; this allowed Congress to direct the business needs of the government under the existent martial law and provided them with corporate abilities they would not otherwise have. This was done under the constitutional authority for Congress to pass any law within the ten mile square of the District of Columbia.]

    had run up a substantial debt with several rich families that had been financing US Corp. schemes for years. US Corp was short on money (being the spendthrifts they are) and could not continue to opereate, nor could they pay back thier debt to those wealthy families. Being the big spenders that US Corp. was and is, they needed more money to play with, so they approached thos same wealthy families and asked for more. The families laughed at them…”you can’t pay back what you owe….and you want more?….LOL…NO!”

    [Corp. U.S. began to generate debts via bonds etc., which came due in 1912, but they could not pay their debts so the 7 families that bought up the bonds demanded payment and Corp. U.S. could not pay. Said families settled the debt for the payments of all of Corp. U.S.' assets and for all of the assets of the Treasury of the United States of America.]

    …”But, but, our nation will falter and die without more money”, cried US Corp. “please tell us what we can do to appease you, so that we may continue our addiction to spending money” they begged. “Well then”, says the wealthy families, “maybe we can help you, if you are willing to let us have control of the issuance of your currency and provide us with some guarantee of the return of our money”.
    “Oh my”, cried US Corp. how can we give such a guaranty without arousing suspicions from our citizens?”they pleaded. “Don’t worry your pretty little heads” exclaimed the families, “We’ll work out the details for you”. “You fellows are just too kind” replied US Corp.

    So, the families secretly met on thier private Island and hashed out all of the details and submitted “thier” plan ( and what a wonderful plan they had…for themselves).

    [ As 1913 began, Corp. U.S. had no funds to carry out the necessary business needs of the government so they went to said families and asked if they could borrow some money. The families said no (Corp. U.S. had already demonstrated that they would not repay their debts in full). The families had foreseen this situation and had the year before finalized the creation of a private corporation of the name "Federal Reserve Bank". Corp. U.S. formed a relationship with the Federal Reserve Bank whereby they could transact their business via note rather than with money. Notice that this relationship was one made between two private corporations and did not involve government; that is where most people error in understanding the Federal Reserve Bank system—again it has no government relation at all. The private contracts that set the whole system up even recognize that if anything therein proposed is found illegal or impossible to perform it is excluded from the agreements and the remaining elements remain in full force and effect.]

    On December 23, 1913, while the majority of Congress was sitting at home for the holidays, a small group of men gathered to sign into law, the Federal Reserve Act.( with a 99 year contract) They signed into Law the 16th Amendment on February 3, 1913 assuring the families that should US Corp. fail to make thier payments, the citizens would be happy to make those payments for them through taxation….wasn’t that nice of them? Next, to make sure that the people wouldn’t wise up to the “scheme” and repeal thier handiwork…they Passed(?) the 17 th Amendment on May 31, 1913…changing the way our Senators are placed in office ( before, they were appointed by the governor of each state and subject to immediate recall if they didn’t do thier job). While we have the illusion of representation,in actuality, we do not. BTW, we haven’t lawfully seated any of our representatives since May 31, 1913.

    [Almost simultaneously with the last fact (also in 1913), Corp. U.S. adopts (as if ratified) their own 16th amendment. Tax protesters challenge the IRS tax collection system based on this fact, however when we remember that Corp. U.S. originally created their constitution by simply drafting it and adopting it; there is no difference between that adoption and this—such is the nature of corporate enactments—when the corporate board (Congress) tells the secretary to enter the amendment as ratified (even thought the States had not ratified it) the Secretary was instructed that the Representatives word alone was sufficient for ratification. You must also note, this amendment has nothing to do with our nation, with our people or with our national Constitution, which already had its own 16th amendment. The Supreme Court (in BRUSHABER v. UNION PACIFIC R. CO., 240 U.S. 1 (1916)) ruled the 16th amendment did nothing that was not already done other than to make plain and clear the right of the United States (Corp. U.S.) to tax corporations and government employees. We agree, considering that they were created under the authority of Corp. U.S.
    Next (also 1913) Corp. U.S., through Congress, adopts (as if ratified) its 17th amendment. This amendment is not only not ratified, it is not constitutional; the nation's Constitution forbids Congress from even discussing the matter of where Senators are elected, which is the subject matter of this amendment; therefore they cannot pass such and Act and then of their own volition, order it entered as ratified. According to the United States Supreme Court, for Congress to propose such an amendment they would first have to pass an amendment that gave them the authority to discuss the matter.
    Accordingly, in 1914, the Freshman class and all Senators that successfully ran for reelection in 1913 by popular vote were seated in Corp. U.S. Senate capacity only; their respective seats from their States remained vacant because neither the State Senates nor the State Governors appointed new Senators to replace them as is still required by the national Constitution for placement of a national Senator]

    Now, here we are. US Corp. is in debt to the tune of 16 trillion dollars to the “Families” and the contract is about to expire. What happens if those families (AKA Fed Reserve) decide not to renew that contract …and demand payment in full? US Corp. must then relinquish all assets to the Families….that would include District of Columbia and all of it’s territories and holdings….Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa…Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac ring any bells? How about GM,Chrysler? Anything that US Corp has holdings in…must be reliquished to the Families. OH wait, it gets better…all banks are also tied to the families…guess what?…Do you have a loan on your house? Car? business? Have you bought anything using credit cards?…guess who will own those as well?
    I am guessing that since they will pretty much own the nation with few exceptions…. they can tear up that pesky old Constitution and run the nation any way they see fit….after all, it is no longer our nation…it will be…. thier nation…
    End Game? You betcha…. Property paid for? No problem…they will take it by force…
    Don’t like it? Too bad…meet thier friends from the UN….see the big guns? Submit or die!

    Please visit: teamlaw. org for more on this. I recommend that you start by reading “Historical Outline”
    If anyone feels that these facts are in error, do the research and post your findings along with your proof of those findings.

    Best Wishes,
    Good Luck,
    May God have mercy on us all
    AJ

  • russell

    I think anybody that votes for either of the 2 tickets when that is not where their heart is, are being silly & selfish& want all or nothing .
    Take a chance vote for neither write in your choice mine is Ron Paul, who does have a large following but most are afraid of losing the chance for their 2nd choice.
    If you want change go out on the limb.

  • Still learning

    I am truly in a state of indecision. I’m wondering if all of these things you imply are true, why don’t I hear this from the MSM? It seems they ate so I’m the tank for President O’bama they would be broadcasting this relentlessly. Please don’t take my commentary as criticism, I’m only trying to sift through it all

  • r.p.

    Well done Sam. Todays article is a good counter for the article Chip presented today. Maybe all is not lost for PLD. It’s also good to hear from DaveH and Nancy in Nebraska, the rare voice of reason and common sense. I know you get lambasted by the sheeple that here today are extremely active but you guys continue to persevere, and I applaud your efforts. This week might have been a good time for Dr. Paul to announce his VP choice, as it might have taken some of the wind out of Romney’s sail (what little wind he has), sighhh……………. I’m hoping it will be Andrew Napolitano. And I don’t need the trolls, shills, and idiots jumping me parroting “a vote for Paul is a vote for Obama”, it’s old and meaningless and it doesn’t hold water. A vote for Paul is a vote for my country and it’s constitution. Can you do better?

    RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012 ;-) The winning hand.

    • Jeff

      I think DaveH would be a good running mate for Ron Paul unless the campaign needs his MONEY.

      • DaveH

        Are you jealous that you haven’t been able to take it, Jeff?

      • Jeff

        Dave:

        The MONEY or the running mate position?

  • Suzi Horowitz

    So sad that “We the people…” can’t get what we need no matter where we turn. Seems it all comes down to…” The lesser of two evils!”
    Maybe we need to throw them all out, have a national election WITH term limits and you get paid for results for all government offices. We are stuck in a morass that we seem unable to get out of.

    • Mimi

      Suzi,
      Our president doesn’t like the Jewish people. You did hear what he said to the then President Sarkosy of France. When Sarkosy said he couldn’t stand Benjamin Netanyahu, Obama said essentially, ” you have to talk to him now and then, I have to deal with him all the time.” He stands with the Muslims, as he himself said, you can look it up on YouTube if you don’t believe me. Or just google his conversation with Sarkosy. The Lame Stream media didn’t report it, but it was real. Just like when he talked to the Russian President, and told him, that after the election in November, he’ll be much more flexible on missile defense. Please don’t vote for this man, he isn’t a good for our country or our allies.

      • Jeff

        Mimi, you have to think before you post. Some of Obama’s top advisors happen to be Jewish. And this nonsense about his being anti-Israel is hogwash, brought out every 4 years by the Republicans to smear the Democrats because the Republicans are after the Fundamentalist Christian vote. The Fundamentalists, who 2 generations ago were as anti-Semitic as could be, suddenly “love” the Jews because they think Jews being in control of Israel means Jesus will come back.

        Meanwhile, most Jews can’t stand Republicans no matter how much they proclaim their “love” of Israel. What Repubs really love is the current right-wing Government in Israel – probably the principal detriment to the long-term survival of Israel. It’s funny but in Israel there’s a lively debate about Israeli policies. Here, while probably a majority of Jews have serious reservations about Likud policies, it’s considered anti-Semitic to criticize Netanyahu.

        Ehud Barak, Israel’s Defense Minister, has recently said no one has ever been more in Israel’s corner than Obama.

        • truesoy

          Jeff;

          I too respond with facts to their nonsense. However, I do know that whatever facts I present are meaningless to the likes of mimi when they don’t conform to their ‘beliefs’.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Jeff

        Mimi,

        It might also interest you to know that Sarkozy’s father was Jewish before he converted to Catholicism. So, any antipathy Obama or Sarkozy may have expressed concerning Netanyahu likely had nothing to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with his personal intransigence.

      • truesoy

        Mimi;

        So, as you believe Obama doesn’t like jews because he doesn’t like Israel prime minister, then byt the same reasoning you must not like blacks before you don’t like Obama, right?.
        See, what happens to you is what happens to people when they ignore the overload buzzer in their nonsense dept.
        Next time stop when you hear that sound for it only means you’ve gone over the edge one more time.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • DaveH

        Truesoy says — “I too respond with facts to their nonsense”.
        I haven’t seen any from you yet, Truesoy, unless you’re talking about Fabricated Facts.

        • truesoy

          DaveH;

          Yes Dave, I get it. No fact is a ‘real’ fact unless it conforms to your definition of ‘fact’..

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • DaveH

        Conjecture. That’s all I see from you, Truesoy.
        But I’m so glad you Progressives post your nonsense here for all to see. There are way too many people who mistakenly think Progressives are good and intelligent people. Your postings should help wake them to reality.

        • truesoy

          DaveH;

          Actually anyone with an ounce of brain, republican and/or democrat will agree with me.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • DaveH

        What are you, Truesoy, a sixth grader?

    • Jeff

      Suzi:

      Maybe you can negotiate a deal with Romney. I heard he wanted to be paid by commission. With Romney’s track record, he’ll end up owning and foreclosing on every mortgage in Michigan.

  • http://Frontier Brad

    I think I’ll vote for My Dog… he likes to chase Frizzbee’s and scratch flees but if he dosn’t like you -he bites

  • tncdel

    I’m not thrilled with Ryan, though the Tea Party seems to like him okay. My own preference for VP was either Allen West or Rand Paul. But Romney could have picked a lot worse. Glad it wasn’t that TRAITOR Rubio, who puts the interests of foreign nationals here illegally ahead of America’s best interests.

  • boyscout

    Thank you Sam, but it seems that the obvious isn’t enough to sway the die hard rinos. And, if another one of them suggests to me that a vote for a Libertarian is a vote for Barry, I will invite them to flatten their nose on the end of my fist.

    • Mimi

      Well Fella, here’s another who will say the same. But keep your foolish fist to yourself. Voting Libertarian will not help anything or anyone. Why don’t you just stay home?! Otherwise make up your mind, another 4 years of Obama, or a new direction. It’s your choice.

      • Jeff

        What new direction? They’re proposing W Redux on steroids.

  • DaveH

    Dale says — ““Millions of Killings” . . . ? dave take a breath . . . there were no millions of killings . . . more people died in Chicago than were killed by the US Military in Iraq.
    I think you have confused things with the izzlamo-fascists who have killed many 100′s of thousands in recent decades . . . they may even have killed over a million.
    Your take on Foreign Policy seems a lot like RP . . . just clueless ! ! !”.
    Another whose ears are bookends to a vacuum.
    I said — “millions of killings that have been done around the world by the US military”.
    Did I say anything about Iraq, Dale? Over 100,000 have died in that war by the way, which wouldn’t have occurred without US intervention.
    Millions of killings as in the history of US involvement around the world and at home.
    The facts:
    http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

    • DaveH
    • Dale left coast

      Dave . . . did you include the CIVIL WAR too?
      By talking about war . . . we certainly will not debate WWII or WWi . . . or even Korea . . . if you even had a smidgen of a clue . . . they were rather necessary at the time.
      I was talking about the three recent relevant encounters . . the two Bush was involved in, which were authorized by congress and the O’bammy war that was authorized by the O.
      There are no millions . . . and including wars of 50, 75 or 100 years ago is just plain stoopid.
      Are you concerned with the mooslime Brotherhood in the executive branch today?
      Are you concerned with the massive US debt?
      No . . . just listening to a silly old man whose best years are behind him.
      The debates are over Romnie won . . . Paul exhibited too many goofy ideas and little understanding of the world around him. At almost 80 that is disturbing, especially since he has been in the Congress for decades.
      I find you Paul fans are completely detached from the desperate state of the US today . . . the Fed is a dangerous organization, but who will control it better? The O or Romney? Will it ever be abolished . . . I doubt it.
      The US has been the global policeman since the 1940′s . . .would the world be better today if the Soviet Union had taken up that task? Or maybe the Chineses? Not bloody likely . . . the problem with Libertarians is they often have little understanding of the real world . . . they, much like lieberals think everyone thinks like them and likes them. Not true . . . there are folks out there who are evil and will stop at nothing . . . does one oppose them or should we all just hide under our beds and hope it will go away?

      • Dale left coast

        And Dave . . . if you were President in October 2001 . . . what would you have done?
        I know . . . you would have called in Mickey Moore to make a movie . . . . lol

      • Dave67

        So right Dale…

        The GOP are evil and will stop at nothing to gain back power. They need to be stopped.

        Thats why I oppose them and the trillions of dollars of Debt they are responsible for and the war in Iraq they got us into.

        They are the height of villainy in this country. Stop the banks, Stop Romney/Ryan

      • Dave67

        Oh and Dale… I will let DaveH answer for himself…

        But I would not have gone to the CIA 7 times looking for anyone to go on record saying Iraq had something to do with this.
        I would not have lied to the American people about Iraq’s nuke capabilities at the SOTU.
        I would not have included Iraq in every national security speech in the same sentence with Bin Laden and 9/11.

        I would not allow tax cuts to continue while my country is at war effectively making military families the only ones in America sacrificing for this war… But when to conservatives really care about family anyway?

        Bush is a liar and a war criminal in my book. 5000 troops had to die, 100′s of thousands of Iraqis had to die, 3T had to be spent, all so Bush can deal with his daddy issues and make money for the war and oil industries… follow the money.

        I had friends of my family that died at the Pentagon on 9/11 and Iraq is an affront to their memory.

      • DaveH

        I said — “How do you square your pro-life stand with the millions of killings that have been done around the world by the US military”.
        You, Dale, said — ““Millions of Killings” . . . ? dave take a breath . . . there were no millions of killings”.
        My comment was not qualified to include only Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, WAS IT? If it was you’ll have to point that out to me because obviously I’m hallucinating.
        Then you, Dale, said — “I was talking about the three recent relevant encounters . . the two Bush was involved in, which were authorized by congress and the O’bammy war that was authorized by the O. There are no millions”.
        I don’t give a ….. … what YOU were talking about, Dale. Your dispute was against what I said, and you were wrong about that. I think you’ve been on the left coast too long. You’ve picked up the Liberals’ habit of putting words in peoples’ mouths.
        Now put down that doobie and eat your crow.

      • DaveH

        Dale says — “the problem with Libertarians is they often have little understanding of the real world”.
        The real world? You have no idea, Dale, what the real world is. That’s what Libertarians specialize in — knowing what really motivates people, not what those people claim motivates them.
        Leaders mess in other countries’ business because they think they will gain from it. Their personal gains lead them to use other hapless fools (the followers) as cannon fodder and deep pockets.
        Don’t confuse the fact that you have bought into the War is Peace nonsense with being enlightened.
        If you’d read that book I linked to (The Case for Legalizing Capitalism) maybe you’d learn something. But, then again, from the way you seem to be incapable of reading English, maybe it wouldn’t do you any good.

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Some more Real World for naive “patriots” like Dale:
        http://mises.org/daily/5607
        “It should be clear that the name of the political party in power is far less important than the particular regime’s financial and banking connections”.

      • DaveH
  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Democratic Party of the Internet.

    The Democratic Party of the Internet, or DPI (not to be confused with dots per inch, which there are far less of), is a lifeless political group that makes up 99% of the internet. They are most known for inserting the word “conservatives” into more pages than currently exist, despite having no idea what the actual policies of the democrat party are.

    The DPI is the single most annoying group known to man, and their collective egos form the pacific ocean.

    The group began immediately after the 2000 election. Al Gore, after his loss, swore revenge on the world. He turned to his greatest invention, the internet, summoned his minions to begin the Democratic Party of the Internet, and commanded them make fun of his opponent. But the attack soon got out of control, and members plastered it on everything.

    Several internet browsers now come with standard “Bush is an idiot” toolbars, just in case there’s anyone out there who still likes him. The word “Bush” is now the internet’s most frequently used word, beating out the word “the” by an estimated 175,934,865,102,342,095,102 uses.

    But the internet was not enough for Gore. He began looking for attention by inventing various hoaxes, starting with dressing up as Bigfoot, and pretending to find the Loch Ness Monster. Eventually he invented the ultimate hoax, which he called “Global Warming”.

    Naturally, the Democratic Party of the Internet accepted global warming without question, despite not knowing what it is. But it backfired in their faces when some Republicans idiotically believed global warming. Since agreeing with a republican is considered a form of blasphemy, the party overthrew Al Gore and never spoke of global warming again.

    Then came the 2008 election, and Barack Obama. He fit the criteria for acceptance among the party, due to not only being not Bush, but making his entire campaign emphasize that he is not Bush (instead of actual policies, which no one cared about). And he was Black, which gave the DPI an excuse to call everyone who didn’t vote for him a racist. The party no longer had to only put George W. Bush references on every page, but Obama references as well, causing version 2.0 of the internet.

    Members like to pretend that Right-Wing extremeists actually exist on the Internet, while using the non-existant group as scapegoats.

    One of the core beliefs of the party, every member must edit some reference to conservatives into wikipedia 5 times a day. Examples include “Ice cream is a tasty treat, but sometimes there is bad ice cream, which is made by conservatives”, and “Pencil shavings are parts of a pencil found in a sharpener, with an IQ higher than conservatives”. Internet Democrats enjoy using sarcasm to justify their own stupidity.

    The single most important policy of the Democratic Party of the Internet is that its members must have the ability to completely ignore all faults of the Democrat party, including but not limited to the Civil War, the nuking of Japan, and of course the recent Economy Crisis. Plus the use of tax dollars as a replacement for flushing water in their toilets.

    Pretending to support Bush is a guarenteed way to attract hostile members.

    The DPI enjoys accusing others of racism to cover up their own blatant racism. A favorite pastime is to call Conservatives rednecks, while simeltaniously ignoring the huge amounts of idiots that make up their own party.

    Also, they have to ignore the entire public school system and 99% of the media’s liberal bias so they can accuse things with republican bias (ie. barely anything). They all seem to think Fox news is a conspiracy to end the world.

    The average Internet Democrat is a cowardly animal. When threatened, it will puff up it’s grammar and spelling in an attempt to scare off it’s foe. If this dosen’t work, it will go to it’s second line of defense and accuse it’s opponent of being an ignorant, unfunny racist. Since that usually dosen’t work, Internet Democrats try hide behind computer monitors.

    Usually the infestation is so bad you can find most of them in plain sight. The best way to eliminate them is via machine gun, since any form of reasoning is futile against the huge amount of them.

    If, however, you are having trouble luring them out, try waving around a picture of Bush. You can also try accusing them of anything. If true, they will want to cover it up, otherwise they’ll make fun of you endlessly. At this point, shoot them as fast as possible or risk losing your sanity.

    • DonR

      LOL. So true.

  • Carl Manning

    It’s so refreshing to hear the TRUTH for a change about these despicable bastards these two despicably TREASONOUS parties throw at us. The Grand Ol’ Propaganda Party once again has thrust these Socialist neocon nutjobs upon us and have the unmitigated gall and audacity to call them “CONSERVATIVES”. Their Neocon/Zionist Criminal network accomplices at Faux News and Talk Radio have assisted them in marketing this latest batch of insane TREASON. They really think we’re that stupid. The talk radio and Faux News Neocon nutjob idiots like Sean Insanity, Rush Bimbo, Machine-Gun Annie Coulter, William “Pistol” Kristol, Krauthammer, Bolton, Karl Rove, Bill Oh Really???, Laura Ingraham, and so many others are all preaching the Reagan Gospel to the sleepwalking idiots out there once again dreaming of the reincarnation of Reagan but not daring to examine or even acknowledge the TRUTH when confronted with REALITY and the FACTS. RON PAUL OR FEMA CAMP: TAKE YOUR PICK. That’s really the only “CHOICE” you have this (s)election. You have to seriously ask yourselves this: WHY WOULD THE GOP IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM: OBAMA’S INELIGIBILITY FOR OFFICE IF THEY ARE NOT ON THE SAME TEAM WITH THE DEMOCRATS??? IT’S THAT SIMPLE; IN FACT, IT’S COMMON SENSE! These two parties have played us for fools for far, far,far too long. They have completely bankrupted us with their devilish schemes and lies. The only proper punishment for these guys is a military division marching down the streets of the District of Criminals to the Capitol building, arresting them, trying them for HIGH TREASON with a military tribunal, and then summarily executing them with a hangman’s noose and gallows on live tv for betraying their oaths to the US Constitution and the Americazn People.

  • Chris

    Romney is hiding something really bad in his taxes. There should be a law that requires all presidentially nominees to release 10 years of tax return.

    I can’t trust him one bit. He is cheating on his taxes.

    • Jeff

      It might require a Constitutional Amendment because the Constitution already sets forth the requirements for the office. But it’s already an “unwritten” rule violated at the candidate’s peril.

  • chuckb

    it also requires a presidential candidate to first be an american citizen, is barry soetoro a citizen? prove it. you can’t even prove who is father is.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Nearly all liberals, as well as a few misguided conservatives, have sought to dismiss the “birther” movement as the product of right-wing retards barking up the wrong tree.

      However, the entire issue of Barack Obama’s eligibility was first brought to the fore by lawyers acting on behalf of Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.

      Specifically, Phil J. Berg, hardly a member of any vast right wing conspiracy, was an ardent supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, and her candidacy for the presidency.

      Notwithstanding his liberal pedigree, Phil J. Berg was hot on the trail of one Barack Obama, because Berg wished to protect the American people from electing a non-citizen to the most powerful office in the world.

      In August 2008, before Obama was officially nominated by the Democrat party, Mr. Berg filed a legal challenge to Obama’s constitutional eligibility to occupy the Oval Office.

      On October 23, Mr. Berg filed a Motion to Expedite Resolution of Berg V. Obama, summarized directly below:

      ” This motion argues that the facts have been established that Barack Obama is not constitutionally qualified to be elected or serve as President of the United States, and that the Court should issue a summary judgment as follows:

      That Barack Hussein Obama a/k/a Barry Hussein Obama a/k/a Barack Dunham a/k/a Barry Dunham a/k/a Barack Soetoro a/k/a Barry Soetoro is not a “natural born” or “naturalized” United States citizen.

      That he is ineligible to run for and/or serve as President of the United States.

      That the Democratic National Committee be enjoined from naming Barack Hussein
      Obama, et al as the Democratic Presidential Candidate on the ballot.

      That the Democratic National Committee and Barack Hussein Obama, et al are enjoined from any further campaigning on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama, et al for Office of the Presidency.

      That Barack Hussein Obama’s, et al name be removed from any and all ballots for the Office of the President of the United States.”

      http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22345

      • truesoy

        Jay;

        Your right. It the Clinton campaign the original ‘sinner’ and look what it got her. Thereafter the republicans piggyback on it, and eversince keep upping the ante, why? unless they are vying for Secretaryof State for the Obama administration because that was the most Hillary got.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • nc

        Jay, and the results of Mr. Bergs’s brilliant legal attack on Mr. Obama are???????And the results of all of the right wing millions spent to replace the President are?????
        All of this with more Federal judges appointed by Republican Presidents and 6-3 in appointments on the Supreme Court!!!! What does it take for conservatives to win?

        Maybe better evidence would help!!

    • truesoy

      chuckb;

      chuckb, chuckb….chuckb….oh chuckb..
      chuckb, listen…, Earth is calling, can you hear it?

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • chuckb

        truesoy, however, in your case i wouldn’t worry about the earth.

        • truesoy

          chuckb;

          I only worry about the earth when I remember you guys are on it.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

    • Jeff

      Can you prove yours wasn’t a baboon?

    • nc

      CHUCKB, here is a clue that he is as legal as all the others who served! HE IS STILL THERE! LIVE WITH IT OR GROW HOARSE TRYING TO TALK HIM OUT OF OFFICE! HE WILL LEAVE WHEN IT’S TIME FOR HIM TO LEAVE! BESIDES, HE WASN’T SUPPOSED TO WIN IN 08 ANYWAY! SEND YOUR COMPLAINTS TO MCCAIN/PALIN HEADQUARTERS OR SEAN “SWEEP” HANNITY @ FAUX NOISE!!! THEY ARE PI$$ED TOO! SECOND PLACE AWAYS IS!!

  • chuckb

    out on a weekend pass again jeff?

    • Jeff

      Explain to us again Chuckie about the inherent superiority of the White race and how foolish the 1964-5 Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were. “They” never really wanted to vote, did they? They were just put up to it by the Commies, right?

      • DaveH

        Do you Progressives ever get tired of using the Blacks as pawns to justify your theft of other peoples’ money and Freedom, Jeff? Quit being a racist. We are all just individual human beings, black or white, and we all desire to be Free of the enslavement of others. Yet the Progressives are continuing the enslavement for both Whites and Blacks, using every invalid emotional ploy they can to manipulate those who just are ignorant of what is really going on.
        For those Blacks who would like to learn how they have been used as pawns by Big Government Politicians to grow their Power and Perks (note that the author is a Black Historian):
        http://www.amazon.com/Forced-into-Glory-Abraham-Lincolns/dp/0874850029/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345383437&sr=8-1&keywords=lerone+bennett

        • Jeff

          I am familiar with Lerone Bennett. I’m not sure he’s a qualified historian, but he has written a lot about Lincoln. He has a view of Lincoln as a virulent racist determined to keep the races separate and that he wanted to ship all the slaves back to Africa. I think Mr. Bennett has correctly described Lincoln’s views early in his career and prior to the Civil War. I do not think Mr. Bennett has paid enough attention to the evolution in Lincoln’s views in the last few years of his life. While I am sure Lincoln’s views about racial equality would seem Neanderthal in 2012, he was a fairly progressive thinker in 1865.

          The reason I bring up race with Chuck is not because we want your MONEY, but because Chuck himself has brought up the race issue many times and has “explained,” in his own inimitable way, how we really didn’t need the Civil Rights Act, etc. Maybe you agree as does Ayn Rand Paul (and Ayn Rand Ryan)?

          But since you bring up the race issue in connection with the whole “social contract” idea, it is very convenient for opponents of the social contract (i.e. Republicans) to paint a picture of the typical recipient of such aid in unflattering, racial terms despite the fact that most such recipients are not Black or Illegal aliens, etc. The facts don’t matter when you have a political short-hand that links taking YOUR MONEY and giving it to THEM. It’s certainly convinced you.

          I’m sure you ate up every apocryphal story Reagan ever told about welfare queens in Cadillacs and “young bucks” at the welfare office. Now, the story is all about voter fraud. It’s all baloney and it’s all a new form of racism.

      • DaveH

        And here’s Star Parker to explain how the Government’s vote buying schemes of wealth redistribution are ruining Black families:
        http://www.urbancure.org/mbarticle.asp?id=76&t=Star-Parker-Welfare-dependency-destroys-black-families

        And the Politicians are doing it for their own selfish interest, i.e. to buy the votes of those who become dependent on Government’s redistribution of other peoples’ money.

      • DaveH

        And here is how the Politicians destroy Blacks with their Power Tripping Drug Wars:
        http://reason.com/archives/2011/03/17/end-the-drug-war-save-black-am

      • DaveH

        Before you Propagandized do-gooders jump all over me about the necessity of criminalizing drug usage, you need to read this and learn some reality:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Mark%20Thornton/Economics%20of%20Prohibition.pdf

        • Jeff

          This is one issue on which we probably agree. I would like to see the war on drugs ended and drugs (at the very least marijuana) decriminalized. I think you would find that most democrats would privately agree that the war on drugs has been extremely detrimental to us. The problem is the issue is too easily demagogued so few politicians seeking re-election will take it on.

      • DaveH

        Jeff says — “I do not think Mr. Bennett has paid enough attention to the evolution in Lincoln’s views in the last few years of his life”.
        Oh? What were those views and please provide references, since you are the typical Progressive Troll on this website who has no credibility, Jeff.

      • DaveH

        Contrary to Jeff’s conjecture, Lincoln did not evolve into a kinder gentler black-loving man in his later life:
        http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo211.html
        see next comment for more.

      • DaveH

        “Magness and Page meticulously document how, during the last two years of Lincoln’s presidency, work on various colonization plans “progressed . . . often aided by the president’s direct encouragement and approval” (p. 10). Lengthy discussions took place with the British and Dutch governments, which were negotiating on behalf of business interests in their own countries that were experiencing labor shortages in such places as British Honduras, Guiana, and elsewhere”.
        Colonization After Emancipation: Lincoln and the Movement for Black Resettlement:
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0826219098/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

  • chuckb

    truesoy, where are you flying around in space with farrakahn

    • truesoy

      chuckb,

      chucky; your train of thought never leaves the station, right?
      What does Farrakhan has to do with all you nonsense?
      For one thing I do respect everyone’s beliefs whether muslim, mormon, whatever; but I expect that in the same manner that I respect theirs, they’ll respect my beliefs too, fort all that they believe in is ‘man made material’. And this I said without denying the existence of God because it would be, I think, presumptuous to deny what one doesn’t know.
      See, I don’t belief in religion nor I belief what the Koran nor the Bible say, other than some of the historical events from a geographical area that was credited for the doing of a Supreme Being (God) for lack of a better explanation.
      Well, so much for your Farrakhan theory.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

  • mll

    i supppose your perfect candiate ron paul. this is just a lot of hot air from a brai full of fluff with no substantiation, just inuendo.

  • DonR

    Paul Ryan is a great choice. I listened to Hannity interview him this afternoon and then watched it tonight. The guy knows everything about the budget and has specific ways to fix the economy that make complete sense to me. Simplify the tax code, get rid of loopholes, get rid of bad regulations, fix SS and Medicare, etc.

    What’s Obama’s plan, double down on his awful policies?

    Don

    • http://pmbalele.wordpress.com pmbalele

      You’re kidding. Look in Wisconsin State Journal today. Paul Ryan is afraid going to Delevan and Janesville – his home town. People there hate him. When he was nominated he sent his party 80 miles from his hometown to avoid being heckled. Paul was a good guy until he started accepting money from Koch Brothers. Now he is their slave. The presidential polls in Wisconsin show President Obama/Biden ticket ahead despite Ryan nomination. Ryan wants to kill all seniors. Ask yourself what Ryan and Romney want to do for job creation. Their answer will be nothing other than “Give billionaires tax cuts” Now you want those two to lead the country. You will be their slave. Vote for our friend – President Obama on November 6.

      • Honest Al

        Their answer will be nothing other than “Give billionaires tax cuts” Now you want those two to lead the country. You will be their slave. Vote for our friend – President Obama on November 6.
        —————————————————————————————————————-
        So you really think tha brutha is going to raise the tax on the rich? Ny@@a pulleeze!
        Those are the hands that feed him and all his soul mates, “snicker” “friend” wadda dork!

      • DonR

        pm; Gee, let’s see. Ryan, a Republican has won 7 elections in a Dem district by a wide margin. Sounds like most people like him. If they or you are upset about the plant closing, that’s business, so long as there was no outside interference that caused. You have to get over the idea that the Government has to bailout failures. Failures are a part of business. As far as the Koch brothers, I bet they employee a lot of people, how many do you employee??
        What about Soros pulling Obama’s strings??
        OBAMA IS NOT MY FRIEND, HE IS EVIL.

      • DonR

        pmbalele: Check out this link, it make Charles Kock look pretty darn good to me. Just what has he done to you that makes you hate him??????????????????

        http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/charles-koch-economy-freedom/2012/08/15/id/448700?s=al&promo_code=FC43-1

        DonR

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “Sam Rolley,”

    SIR, OF COURSE, BY NOW YOU KNOW I AM NEGRO MALE. HOW CAN SOMEONE HAVE A “love for liberty” AND BELIEVE IN “strict adherence to the Constitution” AFTER IT HAS BEEN AMENDED SEVERAL TIMES?

    PEOPLE SAY THEY BELIEVE IN RIGHTS FOR NEGROES AND FEMALES; AND THEY BELIEVE THE “TRULY” UNFORTUNATE SHOULD BE CARED FOR. WHEN YOU SAY, “strict adherence to the Constitution,” WHICH Constitution ARE YOU REFERRING TO? – THE ORIGINAL ONE, OR, THE AMENDED ONE? Mr. Rolley, SIR, I AM NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU “ON THE SPOT.” I AM TRYING TO HAVE A CLEARLY-STATED DISCUSSION WHICH CAN BE UNDERSTOOD BY ALL.

    MY POINT IS, WE KNOW LIBERTARIANISM IS A “FRINGE” IDEOLOGY. WE ARE ALSO ADULTS. IN 2012, TERMS NEED TO BE CLEARLY DEFINED, SO, WHEN ADULTS MAKE POLITICAL DECISIONS THEY WILL KNOW WHICH IDEOLOGY HAS THE BEST “FIT.”

    I ASSUME Personal Liberty WANTS PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR U. S. Representative Ron Paul. BUT, WHAT IS Rep. Paul DOING TO EXPAND HIS BASE TO A POINT WHICH IS SUFFICIENT TO BECOME PRESIDENT? I MUST SPEAK AS A NEGRO MALE – IF YOU WERE TO ASK THE “NEGRO MAN ON THE STREET:”

    I). Who is Ron Paul? – MOST NEGROES COULD NOT ANSWER; AND,
    II). What will Ron Paul do for “Black America?” – MOST NEGROES COULD NOT ANSWER.

    Mr. Rolley – SIR, HERE I AM; A NEGRO MALE WHO DOES NOT LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. WHAT DOES Personal Liberty WANT ME TO DO WHEN Rep. Paul HAS SHOWN NO INTEREST IN PEOPLE, LIKE ME?

  • ARLEN

    CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT THRILLED ABOUT EITHER CANDIDATE! Your making the same mistake the Democrats make. Republicans are not Conservatives, and those of us that are Conservatives, are not fooled by the Republican Establishment.

  • http://newstips@personalliberty.com Anna

    All I have to say is I am so Thankful that even though all politicians think they are Gods and in control of us all are not. We have a wonderful and unconditional loving God-Jesus Christ who is really in control. Our government needs a lot of prayer to do the right things in God’s eyes which will finally be wonderful for us all!

  • chuckb

    you people who bad mouth romney are falling into the bolshevik trap. romeny is a decent person, he has a clean background and a very good record on all fronts. he was not my pick during the primaries and i complained about his weakness, his failure to speak up, his failure to confront the bolsheviks. i was upset when the republican hierarchy forced him upon us, however, we have a person in the white house who we know anything about, he refuses to this day to produce any record of his life. we are to accept him without question. the country is in a bigger mess than since the 1930′s, energy prices are rising and he stands firm on his green energy policy, a complete failure. gas prices will halt all growth of the economy. when bush left office gas prices were $1.67 pg. barry still will not bulge. he is deliberately destroying what economy we have left in order to install his socialist (communist) policy.

    • Jeff

      Chuck:

      In case you didn’t learn it in post-graduate school (that would be 7th grade), prices are largely a function of supply and demand. Gas prices were low when Bush left office because the economy was in free-fall, headed for another Depression. Demand for gas dropped; hence, prices fell. What were gas prices 6 months before Bush left office? A year before?

      By calling Romney a decent man, you are implying Obama is not. I know what you think, but you’re personal opinions are hardly important. I’m sure both Romney and Obama would make good neighbors. That’s hardly the standard for a president, though. I know you liked W because he sounded like a guy you could drink with. I assume neither Obama nor Romney meets that lofty standard, so one might have to look at their backgrounds.

      I know anyone who disagrees with you is a Bolshevik, but then, you’re an idiot. The Democrats are almost as beholden to big business as are the Republicans who are wholly owned by big business. Romney’s business background is exactly what we don’t need in the White House. He has gotten rich through the use of debt financing with Bain often walking away from companies with millions of dollars wrenched from companies they were “saving,” leaving the workers penniless and the creditors holding the bag. You try that with your own company and you’ll end up in prison.

      • Pastori Balele

        I agree. American companies are producing lots of oil. But because there is no restricting to export it, billionaires are shipping oil to China and other countries for better prices. Once American people learn about Mitt, he will not be elected.1st Romney refused to release his tax returns. He cannot win Americans votes if he did not pay tax for 10 years. 2nd, is Bain capital implication. He cannot win Americans if he shipped jobs abroad leaving fellow Americans on welfare. Romney endorsed Republican base for no abortion even if woman is raped. American women will not vote for him if he and the Republican Party want control women bodies. Seniors will not vote for RR ticket if Romney stands by Ryan-care which kills seniors exhausting $5,000 voucher. I see R&R ticket dead on arrival. Ron Paul may as well rescind suspension of campaign. Let’s vote for President Obama on November 6.w

  • gettinready

    If ALL the people who do not support Obama and ALL the people who see the neocons for what they are and ALL the Ron Paul freedom lovers got together and voted 3rd party Libertarian we may be able to get the government that we the people actually have a say in…just thinkin …

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