Paul Amendment Would Put Supreme Court (And The Rest Of The Federal Payroll) Under Obamacare


If Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has his way, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts — who sided with the liberal wing of the High Court in upholding Obamacare as a “tax” on individuals back in June 2012 — will join the rest of Washington, and the country, in signing up for healthcare coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

Questioned by The Daily Caller about his proposal to outlaw any healthcare coverage exemptions for Federal employees, Paul — an advocate of fair play rather than the Obamacare plan itself — said he believes all government employees ought to buy their coverage in the same manner as the rest of the American people.

From the story:

Paul’s proposal — outlawing any special exemptions for government employees — would mean all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies. Some critics say those subsidies amount to special treatment. The Obamacare health insurance exchange opens Oct 1.

“My amendment says basically that everybody including Justice Roberts — who seems to be such a fan of Obamacare — gets it too,” Paul explained. “See, right now, Justice Roberts is still continuing to have federal employee health insurance subsidized by the taxpayer. And if he likes Obamacare so much, I’m going to give him an amendment that gives Obamacare to Justice Roberts.”

Fearing a Washington, D.C. “brain drain” — a potential mass exodus of well-compensated intelligentsia working both within and on the periphery of government — if Congressional staffers and other Federal employees had to pony up the same money as everyone else to receive the same quality of coverage as everyone else, the Office of Personnel Management said last month the government would subsidize about 75 percent of the cost of premiums for member of Congress and Congressional staff.

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  • independent thinker

    Rand has the right idea if he can pull it off. If the general public has to use obamacare then all the feds should have to use it too no exceptions.

    • vicki

      Liberals are constantly telling us that obamacare is good for us. So if it is good for us then it is good for our employees (agents of government) and we should see to it that they get it.

      • Wellarmed

        hello Vicki, I am glad that you set the record straight that they are our employees. I think that someone should remind them of that.

  • Harold Olsen

    For the most part, I don’t like Rand Paul. This, though, appears to be a good idea. If the Feds are going to force Obamacare on us, then it’s only right that it be thrust upon all federal employees. As the old saying goes, “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” When Obamacare got passed, it’s supporters claimed it was not a tax. However, when it went before the Supreme Court, the government argued that it was constitutional because it WAS a tax.

  • Lee Berry

    I say YES YES YES!!! The Supreme Court re-wrote parts of Obamacare in order to justify their decision that it is a TAX on the people and therefore Constitutional. As a mandated health law – it is a socialized healthcare mandate and 100000% illegal according to our Constitution.
    Forcing the advocates of this insanity to also “reap” the non-benefits of this train-wreck would be the ultimate of gifts to the communists that have succeeded in taking over our government. Poor Pelosi – she would have to pay for her botox out of pocket instead of billing it to us daily…

  • terryk

    We should pass a Constitutional amendment that states that the Congress shall not be exempt from any legislation they pass. That way they will think about what they make law before they create monstrosities like ACA.

    • vicki

      I think we already did. 14th Amendment. Equal protection clause.

      • Robert Messmer

        We can hope that the ACLU takes a case to SCOTUS based on the un-equal protection that this “tax” causes.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve always said there should NOT be 2 sets of laws in this country, one for us and one for them. With laws like legalized insider trading, exemption from Obamacare and lifelong pensions after only 4 years service, instead of 20 years or more WE have to work. Add in bodyguards/Secret Service protection, for the connected and gun control for us. This nonsense has got to end NOW.

    • Robert Messmer

      By law, Secret Service protection for all Presidents elected after 1 January 1997 was decreased from life to 10 years after leaving office. January 2013 Obama signed law re-instating lifetime protection for George W. Bush, himself and all future Presidents.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I agree with R. Paul on this one. If legislators have the same benefits AND difficulties with the health care plan they are more likely to improve upon it.

  • Melody Kubiak

    I hope this works. It gave me my smile for the day.

  • Michael O’Hara

    Rand Paul is not stupid, but he certainly thinks you are. To say “certain people are “exempt” from the ACA” is like saying non drivers are “exempt” from car insurance, or that rich people are “exempt” from Medicaid. It’s nonsense! If you don’t now have health insurance because you can’t afford it or you have a pre-existing condition, the law provides a way for you to get coverage. If (like most Americans) you have some other means of getting health insurance (your employer or Medicare), then it doesn’t apply to you at all. Almost all large organizations (including local, state and federal government) provide health insurance for their employees. The few large employers (mostly restaurant chains) that don’t now provide insurance will be required to do so by next year.

    Rand Paul and his buddies understand that when the people who need the coverage actually sign up (next week) and start getting coverage (1/1/14), they won’t want to go back to the emergency room. That’s why they are mounting this disinformation campaign to try and generate support for a “defunding”. If they thought the program was as bad as the claim it is, they would just sit back and wait for those awful effects to be made clear, and then vote to repeal it next year.


      I’m pretty sure ObummerCare is not a good thing & will raise premiums on everyone, but, I have to honest & say I do not understand a lot in this federal boondoggle, but, if this is the case as you said, then why did the govt. recently & illegally. issue a waiver from O-Care to Congress & its employees?

      • Warrior

        For the same reasons they don’t send their “chillens” to public scrools!

    • Don 2

      Rand Paul is not stupid, but you certainly are.

    • Wellarmed

      Irrespective of the unconstitutional nature of this law, and as much as I wish to see those who cannot afford insurance find an affordable product to serve their needs, this law as it stands will fundamentally destroy the American economy.

      Millions upon millions of people are going to be getting notices when they walk in the door for their shifts after Oct 1 stating that they have been reclassified as part time (below 29 hours) workers. Do you notice that even though Obama waved the employer mandate for another year (illegal action) he made no such move for the individual mandate? The good thing I see is that employers are not waiting for the year to pass to start reclassifying employees. They are doing so right now.

      This $2200 per employee TAX on business(s) MUST be passed onto the consumer. So here we go, with the most horrible economy that I have ever witnessed in my lifetime lets simply throw another log on the fire and simply burn the whole dam thing down.

      That is your mindset on the other side of the isle. We can solve this by requiring that those who run for Congress or the Senate must have started a business from scratch and been successful at it before they can even submit the paperwork to run for elected office.

      • THE PIGMAN

        This law is the clearest example of “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions”…there has got to be a better way to insure those who cannot afford insurance to get it, not 2,700 pages of fines, taxes, regulations, etc that will just hurt everyone else, employer & employee….Then again, this is probably just the first step toward complete govt. run healthcare.

        Dr. Ron Paul a few years ago when this monstrosity was being crafted, had a ten point plan for healthcare reforms for USA & his main provision was to decouple it from employment. He said that one thing alone would boost the economy like wildfire. As in most things he put forth, I believe he was right!

        • rb

          I am uninsured and cannot afford to buy my own insurance. Affordable is far from what this plan is. It’s slap in the face. And try finding a doctor that will accept this “plan”. The largest healthcare provider in our area of the state is already setting up clinics to accept Obamacare patients because the Dr.’s offices they own won’t accept what the exchange pays. You might see an intern or PA but not a doctor. And hopefully you don’t need urgent care because appointments will be tough to get. We need a solution to our healthcare problem. This is not a solution. It is attack on the American public by our government.

          • THE PIGMAN

            I’m sorry to hear that for you….Before any real healthcare reform is put in place, premiums have to go down, but everything in O-CARE has already raised them & will raise them to the point of unaffordability. The single biggest thing that must be done is to open up insurance across state lines to drive competition & lower prices. Since this can only be done by an act of Congress & since to my knowledge, there has never even been a vote on it, I have to assume the health insurance lobbyists have paid off many on both sides of the aisle!

          • vicki

            “will raise them to the point of unaffordability.”

            Will? I think that ship has already sailed.

    • Ringgo1

      Well, O’Hara, we can all see who the du^^b @zz is here: YOU. ‘Hope you drown in your Kool-Aid.

    • vicki

      Since the law affects employers then it DOES affect those who are employed. Since the law affects insurance than it DOES affect those with insurance.

    • samurai

      Arguement with no facts in evidence. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    • Robert Messmer

      So since its sooooooooo wonderful why the special exceptions for congress and their staffs, why are the formerly supporting unions demanding special entitlements, why has Obama delayed the employer mandate? The last one is simple…by delaying the employer mandate he is hoping to delay the inevitable effects of the mandate until after the mid-term elections. If the law is so damn good implement it in full, with no special treatment for congress, the unions or anyone else.

  • HueyDude1

    Obamacare is illegal and any one with half a brain should realize that it, in fact, is un-Constituional. SCOTUS even said during their ruling that it is a TAX, not a penalty. A tax is a revenue-gathering method for the government. According to the Constitution, any revenue-gathering bill must originate in the House of Representatives. Obamacare originated in the Senate, and is therefore un-Constitutional.

    • StinkBomb Jones

      Furthermore, the definiton of a tax is as follows: TAX
      a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers’ income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.
      synonyms:duty, tariff, excise, customs, dues;

      But, O-Care taxes non-activity, not a good or service or transaction, but the decision NOT to buy something! That was unprecedented & set a dangerous future for America. That is why the law was written, not as a tax, but as a fine or penalty for NOT having insurance. This is how the govt. was supposed to argue the validity of the law, but when they saw it was not going well with the supposed swing judge Kennedy, they decided to shift gears and argue it was a tax. The Chief Moron, Roberts ILLEGALLY allowed them to argue it was a tax in complete ignorance of how the law was written, for as Scalia said, “Roberts re-wrote the law for them & signed off on it being Constitutional” Couple that with Robert’s decision to NOT hear arguments for Komrade Kagan’s recusal, in the clearest example of a conflict of interest you will ever see, means he should be disbarred & removed from the Court. After that, he should rot in jail for awhile!!!

      BTW, a few parliamentary procedures were also violated for it even to come to a vote in the Congress!

      • Wellarmed

        The more one digs into Roberts personal affairs, the more you realize that he should be removed from the bench. It is possible that he was blackmailed into his decision due to what looks like an illegal adoption of two Irish children in violation of Irish law.

        He had initially written the decision for the elimination/overturning of the ACA, then made an abrupt 180 degree turn on his position. The question you have to ask is why?

        Being that we are now looked upon as a threat by our own government and are subsequently being spied upon as a result, would that not mean that “Justice” Roberts phone conversation(s) would be stored on a server somewhere at the NSA/CSS? If enough information were to be gathered to open an investigation, would that not justify a warrant to retrieve that data? Or were Roberts family just simply “visited” numerous times by Obama’s thugs?

        Either way, we have a serious problem if the SCOTUS is now simply an extension of the executive branch. The ACA unfortunately is not the largest concern for Americans, it is the precedent that one can now be taxed for inactivity.

        It ( the ACA ) decision must either be revisited or over ruled by a new constitutional amendment. This ruling is not a slippery slope, but a shear cliff that we are about to simply walk right over.

        • vicki

          “The question you have to ask is why?”

          NSA PRISM etc.

  • Warrior

    People, people, people, listen. When “plugs” said this was a big “f-ing deal” you knew exactly what he meant. Those whole charade is nothing more than a “progressive” takeover of an entire industry. This is the “exact” same model as “public edumacation” except for most people, you will not even have the opportunity to go “private”. This effects almost everyone (save the rich and goobermint employees). This is only about “power” and “control”. Eventually, all health care providers will become unionized and exactly the same behavior will be exhibited. You need healthcare? Sorry, nurses are on “strike”. Same damn thing happens with “public edumacation”. These annual “strikes” have nothing to do with the “chillens” edumacation and the future health care employee’s “strikes” will have nothing to do about “care”. The “progressive’s” goal is unionization of all healthcare workers. You see what happens in the large urban areas with unionized goobermint civil servants and teachers. Whole cities are taken “hostage” by these actors. With “unionized” health care, no city will escape the wrath of the “progressive” demonrats. $600.00 toilet seats will be the order of the day!

    If this is allowed to continue you will see in very short order real “democrapic tyranny”. Rise up and stop this madness!

  • guest

    Good for Sen. Rand Paul! A man after my own heart.
    After all, this govt. is so big on equality why is their equality different to mine?
    I have never been subsidised on anything, along with millions of other responsible persons. They are paid way over their competence in many instances. I do hope enough Senators will support a courageous man.

  • rwm44

    i have often said let republicans fight this battle and if it passes. this will be a major platform that all R’s can stand on . telling all the people that ended up getting screwed royally by there beloved dumbocraps that this is why they were fighting so hard to protect ALL citizens from this train wreck . hopefully this will be the demise of the dumbocrap party

  • Daniel F. Melton

    Why is any federal employee or official not under obamacare? It’s the law and we all know that laws are supposed to be enforced equally (sarc off)
    If it’s not good enough for them, why should anyone tolerate the illegal tax that is obamacare?
    Ask “justice” roberts why a tax can be originated in the Senate when all revenue measures are Constitutionally mandaed to originate in the House of Representatives?

  • dan

    They shoild be under Social Security ,as well

  • Joseph Meenach

    Check your facts! “Congress isn’t exempt from the law. In fact, members and their staffs face additional requirements that other Americans don’t.”

    • Moustache The First

      You are wrong, this is an old link….Govt. illegally changed law…see below:

      • Frank Tryon

        So we choose between a biased news site that only talks about 1 side and ignores anything true they don’t like, or an impartial organization of fact finders. FACT not OPINION.

    • Vigilant

      FactCheck.Org says is “A Project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center.”
      You could hardly get a more liberal bias on any subject if you tried.

  • Jo Ann

    Every one in public office needs to be paying in to Social Security ,and medicare, then have the same health care they want the American people to get. AFTER ALL “THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE PAYING ‘ALL OF THE BILLS”. We never had all of these problems until the foreigners got a foot hold in our Government. THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. WHY ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LETTING PEOPLE IN THE FAR EAST DICTATE HOW WE WILL LIVE. START WITH TAKING OUR SCHOOLS BACK. AND GET ISLAM OUT OF THEM.

  • Jo Ann

    If the republicans FOLD ON THIS, Our votes are USELESS and don’t count for any thing. WHEN THE PEOPLE WE HIRE TO DO OUR BIDDING, AND THEY DON’T ,WE ARE LIVING UNDER TYRRANY.
    Our Government is letting the g20 tell us how the people of America is supposed to live. THEY ARE RULLING OVER AMERICA JUST LIKE THEY ARE TRYING TO THE MIDDLE EAST. THEY WANT AMERICA ON OUR KNEES.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I’ll remind you that we elected President Obama the first time knowing fully that he would attempt to bring ALL Americans health care through a plan not unlike Mr. Romney’s in MA. After he won and followed through with his plan and after the Conservative Supreme Court gave it a thumbs up we re-elected President Obama to his second term. Votes, they count.

      • Vigilant

        And Sarvis needs reminding that the president is not a dictator. He needed House and Senate passage of the bill to make it law, and he did not receive ONE Republican vote in either chamber. After Americans voted out Dems in sweeping numbers from the House in 2010, largely a result of the Obamacare fraud, the House has voted over three dozen times to defund all or part of it, but has been thwarted by the still Democrat Senate.. The American people DO NOT WANT Obamacare, and they have made that plain.

        Sarvis talks as if Obama was elected and re-elected purely on the strength of his Obamacare sponsorship, and this is absolutely false.

        And lastly, Sarvis, the SCOTUS is not Conservative. Roberts joined as a swing vote with the activist lefty justices to make it happen. To call Bader Ginsburg, Kagan, Sotomayor and Breyer Conservatives is an outright lie.

        Truth, it counts.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Yes the Republicans in the House spent $60 million in those > 3 dozen votes. Thanks for THAT! They did so knowing that those votes, at least after the first one or two, were just a waste of time and our money. The American people “make it plain” that they don’t want “Obamacare” but they have also made it plain that they want what the Affordable Care Act provides us.
          Even Ted Cruz knows that once the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented Americans will NOT want to return to what little we had before. Sure there are adjustments to be made in Obamacare. The President admits that. Why Republicans want to deny Americans from a plan that will help them all with their health care costs is obvious to most Americans. All they care about is obstructing when they could be making improvements to the bill that was passed by Congress, signed by the President, and upheld in the Conservative Supreme Court.
          Nowhere did I say that President Obama was elected purely on his position with health care, but it was a dominant theme in the ’08 elections.
          By all estimations, Roberts IS a Conservative.
          TRUTH – I live it.

          • JOE FARTASS

            Hey, you may be named Doc, but you gots no clue about health care! Let me remind you that Obama had Repubs. in for a luncheon & to get their advice while bill was being created & he shot down ALL of their suggestions, one of which was serious tort reform, but DEMs being in bed with those lawyers would not go for it! It is a noble thing to try to get insurance for those who cannot afford it, but not when it will hurt everyone else, employers & employees. This bill is 2,700 pages long with a plethora of fines, regulations & hidden costs backloaded into it, so as years go by it will get worse & worse…there has got to be a better way!!

          • guestK

            Not me, Doc. I don’t want it because I love the expensive plan we BUY now, and I know I’ll not get that good coverage with Obamacare. Plain and simple. I’m not rich, just ill, and so we spend about 1K a month for the coverage, and then pay copays and such.
            My objection really is that simple. Not an obstructionist, just afraid.

          • guestK

            I also 100% agree that if we have to be on the lousy plan that we are forced to pay for with taxes, then ALL GOVERNMENT employees should have do the SAME. Do you agree?

          • Doc Sarvis

            Yup. See my post below.

          • Frank Tryon

            This I agree with, if we all have to pay for healthcare… we ALL have to pay for healthcare.

          • Vigilant

            The only things you live with are ignorance and stupidity.

          • traderthomas

            just a quick question, you say that sure, there are adjustments to be made in Obamacare, and the pres admits that. Um, I thought once a law was passed, it was the law, how do you adjust that, by just doing what ever you want to the law? Help me out here, I am confused about this.

          • Robert Messmer

            Personally I would rather have the money spent attempting to do what they were elected to do as opposed to the President using that money to arm international terrorists.

        • Frank Tryon

          No, the upper class doesn’t want it. What you people fail to realize is that even with out obamacare, you still pay the bill for everyone who doesn’t have insurance. With the plan the costs are controlled, without… we are at the mercy of insurance company big wig greed.

          • Vigilant

            “No, the upper class doesn’t want it.”

            Nor the middle class. The polls aren’t restricted to just the wealthy. And you might ask those whose hours are being cut back to part time because of Obamacare. This is poised to be one of the biggest job killers in history.

            “The costs are controlled?” You must be smoking some good stuff. Those costs, promised to result in savings of $2,500 per family of four, are now projected to cost that family an extra $7,500 per year.

            “There is no sin except stupidity.” Oscar Wilde

            Time to repent your sins, lefty.

          • Robert Messmer

            The only way costs would be controlled would be for Obama to EO healthcare costs back to what they were in (pick a year) and keep them there at the point of a gun. Do you really think he will rein in the costs of Big Pharm and Big Insur? Do you mean the savings by volume–yes that has worked so well for Medicare which I believe exceeds annual inflation for cost increases?

          • Urimas

            No,damn it! the only way to cut costs on healthcare is to get rid of ANY healthcare insurance ( excempting the catastrophic one), dismantling AMA, and return to Free Market in healthcare.
            Let the patient and the doctor deal between themselfs! No fricking Government or AMA control. If the fee a doctor charges is too high, pretty soon he’ll run out of patients. If a patient has to pay the doctor’s fee from his/her pocket, will not go to see the doctor just to have a nice conversation about weather, and actually wasting doctor’s time.
            And get rid of AMA, yes American Medical Association! It’s not a proffessional association anymore, is only a big Mafia cartel. Whith their powerfull lobby, they managed to “license” every person who they find desireable and shut down, or even imprison people who threaten their intererts. They even established “quotas” – that means how many students can be accepted to Medical Universities nationwide. That means they want to to keep the new crop of doctors in check, and the competition, and so their profits…
            Healthcare in US is nothing about care, is about making money. Wake up to that!…

      • samurai

        SSDD, eh Doc? Though the program has many areas that are unconstitutional, by involving the IRS, and was nothing more than a $1 trillion dollar tax hike, but yet this is good for our country? What ever happened to be self reliant and personally responsible? I guess you and your ilk believe is being lazy and indifferent. Here are 2 articles dealing with Obama bin Laden Care.
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “The fool hath said there is no God within his own heart.”
        Psalms 14:1
        Psalms 53:1

    • Frank Tryon

      No, Jo Ann… it just means you need to FIRE those not doing their job and voting what their districts say. Let me say this in easy to understand English… if you say don’t and they do it anyway… and you let them KEEP their job by voting for them again… who is to blame that they don’t listen?

      • Urimas

        If you vote on electronic machines, like Diebolt, instead of paper ballots, which can be traced, your vote means nothing. They already know how to manipulate them. How to Hell do you think Obama got the second term?… If you don’t believe me, watch the documentary “Hacking Democracy”…

  • Jo Ann

    It seems our “President” is not for America and the American people. He is for the G 20 and the U.N. forcing us in to the ‘ONE WORLD ORDER” . CHECK IT OUT AND SEE HOW MANY OF THEM ARE MIDDLE EAST LEADERS.

  • Jo Ann

    No judge or any one else should be in a American office for life. There is change we can live with.

    • Robert Messmer

      That is quite interesting because the Constitution does not say that they are SCOTUS for life. What it says is “shall hold their offices during good behaviour”. Does not state what is “good behaviour” or who can accuse/prove otherwise.

  • rb

    It’s a simple message. I applaud Senator Paul for bringing this into the open. After all both of the Senators from my state have backed this President on everything he has ever done because it’s for the Party. I have already written to both Senators who have been vocal supporters of Obamacare asking if they support any amendment to make them get their insurance from the same exchanges. I haven’t received one response from them. Nothing. They won’t even admit what we already know. It will be important for everyone to write their Senators letting them know they support Mr. Paul. Defunding Obamacare didn’t just get done in the house. It was because the people of this country took the Republican Party to task over this and demanded action. Maybe the Republican Party is tired of getting their butts handed to them in elections and are actually considering listining to the millions of voters they inspired to stay home instead of toe their line. We can only hope.

  • cherykie

    The government needs to contact Patch Adams and find out how to really run medical facilities.

  • ibn insha

    There are 2 classes of people in the USA. The citizens and the government employees. It is mind boggling to imagine that in America government employees do not have to follow same rules as the rest of us. It is a matter of common sense to implement a law equally on everybody. No wonder our legislature continue to formulate laws that people don’t like because they and others in the government are exempt form those laws.

    • Urimas

      It is mind boggling the lawmakers are not subject to the laws they own are passing! It is mind boggling bribe is legalized, aka “lobbying”! It is mind boggling that an illegal imigrant, who, not only wasn’t born on US soil, but has to use a deceased person’s Social Security Number to fill his tax returns, got in the Wite House! And now, to thank to his biggest supporters, who put him in the WH, the HMOs, with a strike of a penn, forces any American to pay a tribute to them!…
      But, afterall, this is America, the land of opportunity!!!…What’a Hell happened with “The land of the free” part?…