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Patriots Fighting ‘The Ballot Box Establishment’

May 31, 2012 by  

Patriots Fighting ‘The Ballot Box Establishment’
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Does corruption begin at the ballot box?

AN ANALYSIS

Throughout the country, liberty-loving Americans are fighting uphill battles in an effort to save the Nation from what has become collectively known as a political “establishment” that is destroying the rights of the citizenry and distorting the visions of the Founders through a culture of corruption.

Some patriots are holding rallies so that their elected representatives and neighbors can see that the number of Americans angered by government ineptitude is growing. Some patriots are circulating petitions to fight against Federal abuses of the Constitution such as the National Defense Authorization Act or the ongoing push by the government to censor the Internet. Even government’s penchant for spending money to line the pockets of special interests — while America is going bankrupt — is under attack.

The patriot movement, as illustrated by the spirited Presidential campaign of Ron Paul, is alive, well and growing. With this growth comes the opportunity to change from within those things that the government does so poorly, a process that begins with American patriots — not party-line robots — seeking office and winning elections.

Unfortunately, outsiders are rarely welcomed by the corrupt “establishment” that now realizes its stranglehold on American policy from town halls to the halls of Congress is under great threat from masses armed with Constitutional knowledge and a loving respect for the founding principles of the Nation.

This is where American patriots like Floridians Charles Klein and Sally Baptiste enter the unfolding story of a new kind of conservative political activism in the United States. Klein and Baptiste, who describes herself as being a Tea Partier before Tea Parties were cool, have been working together as activist patriots in their locale of Orange County for more than eight years. They both joined their local Republican Executive Committee with the idea that they would have an opportunity to clean the party from within. That is when the frustrations began.

Baptiste launched a failed bid for Mayor of Orange County in 2006, a race that one University of Central Florida political science professor described to the Orlando Sentinel as “…a classic battle between the political insider and the political outsider.” The incumbent, Republican Rich Crotty, the newspaper says, “waged a machine-style campaign that scared off big-name challengers and he blazes the political trail with slick TV commercials and mailers paid for by a vast list of business backers.”

Conversely, Baptiste raised and spent about $24,000 during the campaign, most of it her own, according to reports. On the issues, the candidates also failed to see eye to eye on public spending. While Crotty pushed for the use of tax money on large-scale transport and public-growth initiatives, Baptiste wanted to take a closer look at responsible finances and how residents’ tax dollars were already being spent.

With a campaign war chest of nearly $1 million — much of which Baptiste said likely came from development interests – the Republican Committee-favored Crotty defeated his self-funded challenger.

This is when Baptiste says that she and Klein realized there was a common root to the problem of political corruption at the local, State and Federal level: “The Ballot Box Establishment.”

It is through “The Ballot Box Establishment,” Baptiste contends, that political insiders and special interests are able to control all levels of government because the Republican and Democratic Parties along with various governmental offices and agencies are working in collusion to control the results of elections at every level.

“The Ballot box is a joke, a fraud,” Baptiste said in an interview with Personal Liberty Digest™.

Focusing on how both the Republican and Democratic Parties have taken over the election system in their home State, Klein and Baptiste were able to put together a complaint on behalf of “We the People” and filed it with the FBI.

We the People v. The Ballot Box Establishment is how Baptiste and Klein hope to expose what they consider the monopolization of the electoral process in Florida by “The Ballot Box Establishment.” For example, one portion of the complaint evokes the Sherman Anti-Trust Act in questioning whether the RNC and DNC “conspire with State Legislators to control the outcome of elections.”

From the complaint:

Legislative actions which includes the new Florida law that prohibits changing of political parties prior to the election, the establishment of unreasonable filing fees for candidates in an attempt to keep the average citizen from actively seeking public office and manipulating the primary dates to affect the outcome. The Republican Party of Florida has directly conspired with the Florida Legislature to change the date of the Presidential primary election.

This constitutes collusion between the Republican Party of Florida and the State of Florida, violating the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Thus, violating and denying the average American Citizens the right to be an active participant in their government as afforded to them by the Founding Documents of the United States of America.

Baptiste believes that the “collusion” between the two major parties and elected officials in enacting laws and regulations that manipulate elections is happening in every locale, State and undoubtedly in Washington, D.C. Unless that changes, Baptiste believes Americans have forever lost their vote.

“Why would some of these policies be put in place by the RNC and DNC except to protect the political status quo?” Baptiste asked. “In Florida, the fee to be eligible to run as a partisan candidate in a U.S. House or U.S. Senate race is $10,440. Why? Unless they are trying to exclude new candidates who are not party establishment favorites?”

Though the complaint filed with the FBI is specific to her State, Baptiste said she would encourage anyone who feels disenfranchised by the two-party system to follow her and Klein’s lead. The complaint they filed could be tailored to suit other locales.

The bottom line, according to Baptiste, is that Americans need to clean up the election system so that they will be able to vote for candidates they like rather than those that have been pushed upon them by ranking members of the establishment parties.

Baptiste said she hopes that the FBI will investigate the complaint and has heard encouraging comments from legal professionals who believe it is worth investigation. If she had millions of dollars to spend, she said she would file a suit based on the complaint.

“I think we have a lot there that got the agent’s attention,” she said. “We knew they weren’t going to jump right on it. But, whether we want to admit it or not, they are part of the establishment. So we’ll see what happens.”

When called for comment about the status of the complaint that was filed on May 4, an agent who previously interviewed Baptiste and Klein told Personal Liberty he “did not have time to discuss that” and promptly hung up the phone.

Regardless of what comes of We the People v. The Ballot Box Establishment, Baptiste says she is going to continue to add to her list of examples of election corruption. She encourages anyone (including any Ron Paul supporters who had trouble with the GOP establishment) who has witnessed election corruption to go to americanstatesman.org to sign on with “We the People” and share information.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • MAP

    Yet, despite this clear example of the massive corruption within our political establishment, we are still to trust the expansion of this same government to solve all our problems. Yeah, and I believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Rabbit, too.

  • http://httpaol.com sean murry

    i think everyone who loves this country is pissed off at the corruption.

    • A Little Bit of Reality

      Your absolutely correct Sean, and their not separated by party affiliates either but then comes the choices for change and all this hopefulness flows out the window. We need real leaders, patriots who will abide by the constitution FOR the people and then the toads choose for us the evil and lesser evil and with these choices they blind us because evil is not a graduated commodity, as more or less, evil is STILL evil and that’s what we’re facing now in this November’s election.. I can not recall at anytime in history that the people chose a president.. Choosing AFTER they’ve been chosen (usually by the elites) yes but never our choice. Why is this? Do they think us that ignorant that we couldn’t read their portfolio and determine the best men (or women) by their past successes and failures? Ludicrous! They choose for us because those are the one’s THEY want.

      • T i m

        REALITY , add this little bit to your definition . PROVE IT YOURSELF . The political election process is ssoo complicated , the seniority ladder ( SUPPOSEDLY ) determines who is next in line . EXCEPT FOR OBAMA . He came from nowhere . welfare population and teachers union put him in front of the line . Most people do not care who they ARE TOLD WHO TO VOTE FOR . Democratic based teachers union is prime example . Most teachers I know tell me , it does not matter who they want , the president is already chosen ……..BY STATE DELEGATE PROCESS . Obama has no challenger from his own party . The Democratic delegates will vote Obama and continue to destroy AMERICA AND CHRISTIANITY . WE SHEEP WILL DO WHAT WE ARE TOLD TO DO , SAME AS ALL POLITICS . The BUSH family endorsed ROMNEY last fall , ALL THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS EXPECTED TO FOLLOW THAT . Last fall , state of VIRGINIA WAS ADVERTISED through NEWS MAX , required to sign a plege of alegience to the party , to be allowed to vote . Someone said it was repealed for this primary ???????????? Last I read there are lots of Democrats defecting , voting Republican , which will probably change after the election if congress allows AMERICA to make it to the election . Which has also been speculated . T i m

  • Warrior

    Maybe it’s time to go back to only “land owners” are eligible to vote. Live ones that is!

    • Allen Crawford

      Yes, with tax receipts, and photo IDs in hand.

    • Steve E

      Don’t forget automobile owners, they pay property tax on that also.

      • Joe H

        Steve E,
        Sales tax, Property tax….Two different animals.

        • T i m

          CONTRAR SIR , …………………….. ALL TAXES GO IN THE SAME HAT . IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE TAX IS . …………..MOST ALL TAXES GOES TO COVER GOVERNMENT ……..PAYROLL . IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROPERTY OR PRODUCT , OR , OR , OR , OR …………….. The welfare population is paid from SOCIAL SECURITY …… TAX ……… ALL TAXES GO IN THE SAME HAT . Government spreds the wealth as they see fit . MOSTLY CONGRESSIONAL , / WELFARE ……..PAYROLL . ….THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . There is a simple solution to SOCIAL SECURITY . GET WELFARE OUT OF IT . all taxes go in the same hat . T i m

  • Allen Crawford

    “Legislative actions which includes the new Florida law that prohibits changing of political parties prior to the election”

    Can this actually be enforced? While you are behind the booth, who will know? That is a
    powerful bit of legislation. This would never fly in Missouri. Would it? Reminds me of that movies song by Pat Metheny Group and David Bowie, “This is not America”

    • T i m

      WE PEOPLE MUST DEMAND THE ELECTION COMMISION GO BACK TO OLD FASHION PAPER BALLOT . . So what , it takes longer to count . ….The DEMOCRATIC BASED TEACHERS UNION , endorsed Obama last election , along with the WELFARE POPULATION . I am not a DEMOCRAT , even so , my vote will go to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY , automatically , because of the endorsment . I AM VOTING RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT . ….The Republican Party is voting Romney , BECAUSE DADDY BUSH SAID SO . ….RON PAUL IS NOT PART OF THE ESTABLISHMENT . THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . You are wearing it . ………..WE PEOPLE MUST DEMAND THE ELECTION COMMISSION GO BACK TO OLD FASHION PAPER BALLOTS . T i m

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Not all parts of the country use electronic voting. Here in Nebraska we still use paper ballots. I’m not sure if it makes a difference though.

      • dale bennet

        this balot counting should be by hand only , the company that provids the electronic counters was started up with bin laden money thru the bush famely, its corupt and it has been proven ya put in 5 yes votes and 5 no votes and it can go ether way they want , but tests prove ya get 15-20 votes with only 10 put in

      • Joe H

        I believe it was the Harry Reid election where the voting machines were programed to all votes in favor of reid. Luckily, on a test of said machines the “mistake” was found. Seems the programmers were good honest union people.

      • T i m

        Nancy in Nebraska , DO YOU REALLY THINK , YOUR PAPER BALLOT IS RECORDED AS YOU WRITE IT . How many times was it reported , last fall , Romney beat Santorum by a few votes , then media comes back several days later , says , Santorum beat Romney by several hundred . ?????? Was the ballot electronic or paper . Who knows . Santorum won the POPULAR VOTE in LOUISIANA , ..STATE DELEGATES GAVE IT TO ROMNEY . DR. PAUL is in ALASKA during all this , trying to win the state delegates from SARAH PALIN . Then Palin turns against Dr. Paul , and gives her support to GINGRICH . Last I read Dr. PAUL did not go to the southern states , because he knew there was no delegates to win . GINGRICH owns GEORGIA , ROMNEY OWNS ALL THE rest of the southern states , because DADDY BUSH said so . . …..THE MEDIA ALL THIS TIME IS TRYING TO RUN RON PAUL OUT OF TOWN , NO COVERAGE . Politics Dailey has shown DR. PAUL talking to 1 0 0 0 ‘s of people all over the nation , where HUFF POST AND CNN , WILL NOT ACKNOWLEGE DR. PAUL AT ALL . ………………AS CORRUPT AS IT ALL IS , I STILL REQUIRE PAPER BALLOT . ……………..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

    • A Little Bit of Reality

      This little bit of legislation targets those who live under the honor system.. If you vow to back a certain person then your committed to follow through regardless whether you have a change of mind.. This ‘change of mind’ is exactly what this little law is about, to re-enforce the honor system giving those who would now rather vote for another just enough of a guilt trip to reject their own desires. Go ahead, back whomever you want then if you have a change of heart, vote for whomever you want, the vote police won’t know, your friends and family won’t hold it against you and total strangers won’t care.. Your honor will be intact because it takes a dishonorable law to bully you into something you no longer want to do. Of course, the vote police may be monitoring every thing you do behind that curtain but then they will be disclosed to the world for what they are if they try to enforce that stupid bill.

  • Sirian

    Election corruption? And the upcoming election will not be preset as to who will win? The votes are going to be counted by SCYTL and associates and then not accessible for review once the final number has been spit out. Rigged elections are not new, far from. High tech, state of the art endeavors are making it much easier.

    • Vigilant

      Sorry, Sirian, this red herring has been exposed. Please see http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/scytl.asp

      • Sirian

        I’m not so sure about that Vigilant. Take a look at this article in reference to snopes.com owners/operators. I’ve personally been skeptical of that site, many others too, but this may shed a bit more light on it. Don’t take me wrong, I see where you’re coming from, yet I still don’t lay much trust in what comes across on Snopes.
        http://www.mad-mountain.com/?tag=barbara-mikkelson

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I’ve never trusted snopes. You’re guaranteed a biased opinion every time (I may be exaggerating here).

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/spanish-company-will-count-american-votes-overseas-in-november/

      • Sirian

        Good article Nancy, Thanks. It supports my distrust of Snopes as well as several others. They may seem “un-biased” initially but once you’ve seen their “determinations” and researched it a bit they aren’t always as “factual” as they pretend to be.

      • Sirian

        kf,
        Not so sure about Soros’s involvement with Snopes but it wouldn’t surprise me, really don’t know. Have you any info or preferably links pertaining to or verifying that?

    • kf

      Supposedly, George Soros has an interest in Snopes, so go figure. Heard sometime ago that Snopes dished out some pro-Obama info when queried and that the questioner knew right away the answer was wrong.

  • Steve E

    We must also blame the corrupt voters who themselves are corrupt and stupid because they allow themselves to be brainwashed by the Political party Wholesale Brainwashing Machine and elect the corrupt establishment politicians. There is no reason to be so stupid.

  • T i m

    RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT …………..The BUSH family has endorsed Mr. Romney , is why he is getting all the press.

  • Buck

    A simple solution , provide a litmus test of supporters of the constitution AS IT WAS WRITTEN and INTENDED to be read and require it for ALL government employees , elected , appointed , or hired , with very heavy legal penalties for violations and / or lack of adherence . I agree that RON PAUL is the last best hope for saving America , but as it looks like it will be ROMNEY all we can do is pray .

  • Carl Manning

    The waste of time began with the folly of TEA Partiers to believe they ever could change the GOP from within. This simply is not possible or practical. The GOP put all of its “plants” in the TEA Parties almost immediately to shut it down and co-opt the movement. The TEA Party would have remained valid and would have been taken seriously by the GOP RINO Neocon Establishment and the Establishment in BOTH parties if they had started their own political party to be reckoned with. The TEA Party instead allowed GOP Senators, Congressmen, Talk Show hosts, and GOP “plants” running for office to be their mouthpieces and speakers at their events. In other words, the GOP got a free campaign commercial and recruiting drive out of the whole TEA Party operation.
    Of the 80 or so “alleged” TEA Partiers who came to office in 2010 in the Congress, in a mere 7 months after being sworn in, only 22 of them resisted voting for the outrageous Debt Debacle on August 1st, 2011. The rest all betrayed the American Electorate. The RINO GOP Establishment operatives sat on their yachts sipping their pina coladas and laughing their behinds off at the gullible riffraff. On the other hand, if the TEA Party candidates had ran on the TEA Party ballot, you would have likely seen a different Speaker elected to the House and the GOP would have taken us a lot more seriously instead of for granted because they wouldn’t be able to pass a damn thing without us. In time, we might even see a coalition of the DemoCommies and the Neocon RepubliFascists, a revealing of the truth behind the 2-party left-right paradigm facade, that would only serve to spell the end for the RINO-controlled GOP. In time, the RINO-owned GOP would be marginalized and go the way of the Whigs into political wilderness and eventually political oblivion where they belong today. In short order, many of the RINO’s in the GOP Establishment would try to make inroads into co-opting the DemoCommie Party when they find their party can’t win elections anymore. Ron Paul would do us all a favor if he would formally declare in a press release or 30 minute political educational documentary a la Ross Perot of 1992 that he is no longer a Republican as Reagan did with the Democrat Party because “THE PARTY LEFT ME” and run now as an Independent. The overwhelming number of Independents which now make up 70% of the electorate would rally behind this move because nobody wants to be associated with the Neocon lunacy that defines the GOP today, which is based on the LIE of 911. Ron Paul has nothing politically to lose by leaving the GOP. He’s already made his intentions clear that he is retiring from Congress after this 2012 election. If he were to do this, the Ron Paul Revolution would take off like the Reagan Revolution of 1980. If he were to expose the ineligibility of Obama and the horrific government lie of 911 to the American People that is the basis of the Neocon foreign policy of the United States, the GOP, and the DemoCommie Party, he could start a wildfire instead of just a brushfire.

  • http://comcast the fisherman

    Now there is the puppet the tea party will pull his strings and they will put Marco Bubio with him ( the birther) beaner and we will have tea and burritos for dinner

  • Thunder Sollock

    I applaud Sally Baptiste and Charlie Klein for seeing one of the core issues and doing something about it. For me I have long noted the “horse and pony” show that elections have been for most likely over 50 years. In fact, I contend that due to the flaws in the electoral college system there is the possibility that we have as the American People never actually elected a President even if popular vote agrees. The model of this “college” (who would follow the advise of those still studying?) is being used at the state and federal levels.

    Part of the problem is that we fail to be vigilant at the local level tossing out the power hungry “good ole boy” (not gender specific) mayors and the corrupt sheriff. For instance, if your sheriff has had his office usurped to do the work of the IRS, DEA, and other federal agencies then know this; he no longer works for you and will arrest you if directed. Besides questioning the mayors and divesting a sheriff or town cop of his/her position because now they work for someone else, it might be wise for the populace to become educated of their power and use some of the old time powers such as those afforded members of a jury. This allows us to challenge law (jurors can find a law unconstitutional or unjust) and throw a case out of court by the consensus of twelve and to keep a judge doing his job of nothing more than an arbitrator similar to an official at the football game. We challenge the official when she/he makes a stupid call, why not the Judge? This would go a long way to bringing justice back into the courts because judges would be censured for their practice of defining what evidence you can consider, the attorneys might begin practicing (means they are still playing at it) law, and the whole truth would be considered.

    One thing that troubles me is that so many are distracted with a defeatism of sorts. The people cry out we have to protect our democracy or that we are losing our rights.

    Who wants a “democracy” once you know what that means and know the mind of the founders when framing our founding documents. In a democracy there is mob rule and you are given the illusions of freedom which are in reality privileges you receive for giving up your personal privacy and liberty for a false sense of security, for paying for a license, and for being “asleep at the wheel” because we are too busy, too interested in comfort and entertainment, and are foolishly willing to let someone else handle it though in reality we don’t know that “someone”. I will have my Republic thank you.

    And we wail about loosing our freedom, why? We have allowed this perceived loss of freedom partly because we don’t know what “freedom” is. Freedom is the notion that we will be left alone to chart the course of our lives. No matter the policies of an outside source in many ways we do that though we now also jump through hoops for “privileges”.

    Like the founders, I say, “Give me Liberty”!; or rather respect my Liberty for it is natural law. It is gifted to me by my Creator of whom I am made in likeness and so it is not yours to amend or take away. Only I can dishonor myself and God by giving it away and choosing slavery (slavery can mean I will give up this and be at your beck and call if you will take care of me).

    Freedom, for some means the right to have the allowance to do whatever is desired no matter the effect on others. This is not in the definition of Liberty for with liberty there is responsibility. In Liberty, the founders defined the concept and fought for it…forget the “tube” for a few nights/weeks and you too can know. In short, my liberty allows for me to do what I will as long as I do no damage to you, your family, or your property. It can be taken a kindly step further to say, “therefore I consider my actions so to the best of my ability I avoid adversely affecting another.” This is a very short and pitiful description of this gift, Liberty, which our Creator has given to all…but then it might be a good start. Not knowing all the details might make us think before acting.

    I keep shouting in my small single voice, “LEARN THE LANGUAGE OF AMERICA, AND SING HER SONGS (the true ones that honor and respect all and their choices), YOU WILL BE AMAZED WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A SPIRIT IS AWAKENED AND FANNED TO A FLAME. Honor our Creator (from the special vantage point you have), honor yourself, and honor others. “America”, she may mightily raise up and assert herself once rightfully acknowledged, I think the founders may have perceived that “America” was more than a name for a land mass. Could it be a name for a spiritual presence or a spiritual principle. You will have to find that out for yourself.

    This may seem like a segue, but in truth this brings me & you (if still reading) back to the issue at hand, making sure our voice is heard at the ballot box. I do not have the logistics of this concept all worked out, maybe we can collaborate. I have thought that the voters of the individual states could launch initiatives to ballot that would require their Senators and Representatives get permission either by popular vote or vetting by a people’s body before enacting a law by their vote. Again this is a thought in the becoming and there will be a lot of reasons why we can’t do this, why it may or may not be Constitutional, how it might “bottleneck” the process (as if they are not slow enough to get what needs be done) because there is not critical mass consensus or the “deals” haven’t been made, and I know the supposed elected officials will be unhappy that we are messing with their game.
    I am tired of all the negative, defeatist, and the thinking off issue with the why it can’t be done. I only want to contemplate and work for solutions and if you are on board with the business of making things better then let Bob know and we will set up a contact point.

    This thought is only about finding a way to make sure our Senators and Representatives do the job they have been entrusted with by us, to pressure them to speak our voice instead of their interests or some special interest that doesn’t really concern themselves of us. I lay this down as a conversation to be actively participated in. I do not care that a better solution comes forth as long as something gets done. “Getrdone!”

    Next week we will take on the office of the President. We can start with requiring that he and all others in places of power and responsibility take the original oath which empowers them to do their job. (What? Look it up! There are many sources on this and keep copies in case this “internet” should become controlled. Start with http://www.edrivera.com and then confirm that information with other sources…one is not enough of an education.)

    Then would school the President on what he can and cannot do. We take away the ability to engage us in wars without Congressional declaration. Congress will sit in on this school and have “time outs” in the “corner” for shirking on the job. They allow the President to engage in all kinds of activity that secretly they may agree with but must put on the show that the people are against this action so they avert their eyes.

    By the way, “pre-emptive” strikes are not an American core principle and if you don’t know that then you have forgotten the spiritual guidance you received as a child…the golden rule…or you need to get your “moral compass” fixed. There is nothing in the “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” guidance that has a caveat defining when to follow this spiritual law. This comes out of natural law if you have eyes to see. And even with all of our smart weapons innocent people are killed and “collateral damage” is the soap we use to wash our hands of it.

    This schooling and redefining of the duties and limitations may take a few weeks, but rest assured the judges are next on our education program. Their correct oath of office must be taken (look it up) and be on record and they must be re-schooled on the Constitution and other founding documents…as must we be knowledgeable so that we know truth and what is lawfully doable. The Judges must stop legislating from the bench, must owe no loyalties to any party or master, must recuse themselves when in conflict of interest or having association with the case before their court, must allow the whole truth to be presented, and maybe a legal adjustment that requires that all be vetted and approved by the people to make sure their is no “cronyism” associated with their position of trust.

    We may need to expand or maybe clarify the definition or law regarding “treason”. This too would be a work in progress as is the reigning in of the members of Congress.

    To me, treason is synonymous with “betrayal” and is too limited in that for someone to be tried for treason their must be a crime of such magnitude before anything is done. To me, a judge who legislates from the bench or profits by decisions is guilty of treason. Any President who fails to abide by the Constitution, do only the job defined for his position, or makes treaties clearly defined as “treasonous” is guilty treason. (Tricky Dick committed crimes and had to resign to avoid jail and Bill just acted badly and in poor taste. Bill did some dirty things too I know, but I am making a distinction of degree. Of course we could throw that one out for crime is crime, just as the stealing of one penny is still theft) And the punishment for treason doesn’t have to be death in all cases. Banishment is a powerful deterrent to misdeeds, just imagine that you have all your wealth stripped of you except for what is needed for your immediate survival, everyone disowns you, you are made to leave the “camp” to wander to whatever fate finds you, you are told you have no standing and no country, you are no longer seen in the eyes of the people (we original people of this land do not have a word for “loneliness” and are in great sadness when you cannot see yourself in the eyes of the people) which feels like the whole universe (“rug”) has been pulled out from under you, and you are anathema.

    I have shared some thoughts and even given “ground” to starting points to consider. I do not have all the answers and I am just one small voice. Consider it as if I have thrown the gauntlet at your feet. If you have the heart, the will, the stamina, can muster a bit of strength, and have courage then I invite you to pick it up and join me. You cannot know courage unless also afraid, and a good friend and wise man (Dr. Michael Ryce…look him up too.) define fear as courage returning.

    Blessings to you all,
    I am Thunder, family of Sollock and known as the Body Whisperer.

    • T i m

      I thought my post were to long . You lost me during the 1 st paragrahp . Simple definition to all this . DADDY BUSH endorsed ROMNEY last fall , means the rest of the REPUBLICAN PARTY IS EXPECTED TO DO THAT . OBAMA HAS NO CHALLEGER FROM HIS OWN PARTY , SO , HE IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO SIGN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO DESTROY AMERICA AND CHRISTIANITY . If the welfare papulation and the DEMOCRATIC BASED TEACHERS UNION , AND THE GAY RIGHTS FOUNDATION , puts him in 2 nd term , the 1 st term will look like a joke . CONGRESS WANTS AMERICA TO BE A WELFARE NATION . CONGRESS IS NOT DOING ANYTHING TO STOP WHAT IS HAPPENING . …………………..THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY , YOU ARE WEARING IT . GAS PRICE AT THE PUMP SHOULD BE AROUND 5 0 CENTS PER GALLON . ALL THE REST IS TAXES , SAME WITH BEER AND TOBACO . Do your own math , Prove it yourself . T i m

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002880371309 Willis Forster

    They seem to be avid to go after republicans they deem as corrupt but have nothing to say about the organized vote fraud of the democrat party. Splitting the republican vote only benefits obama. A more rational approach is to field primary candidates in every race except the presidency, not that Paul has harmed the cause yet. They seem to want to place all there bets on one horse.

  • boyscout

    Barack O was G.W. was Billy C. was George B. …. Ron Paul was…..Ron Paul !

    • boyscout

      ….and still is Ron Paul.

      • T i m

        Tell every one you know , and everyone they know , and evry one they know ….RON PAUL HAS NOT QUIT . CNN does not cover RON PAUL much because DEMOCRAT Ted Turner owns CNN. ………..RON PAUL IS DOING LOTS BETTER THAN MEDIA TELLS YOU . BUSH family has endorsed Romney , because Romney will keep the ESTABLISHMENT PAYCHECKS COMING IN . BECAUSE OF THE BUSH FAMILY ENDORSEMENT , TELLS THE REST OF REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT TO DO THE SAME . The RINO’s will do what they are told . STATE REP IN MY DISTRICT HAS SAID , HE WILL SUPPORT WHO EVER IS NOMINATED . I WANTED TO FIRE HIM ON THE SPOT . Gas price at the pump should be around 5 0 cents per gallon . DO YOUR OWN MATH . Prove it yourself . I paid 2 . 2 5 cents for a 2 by 4 wood stud last week . 4 0 of those is near 1 0 0 . 0 0 . That same peice of wood would have been 1 . 2 5 last summer . THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . …ALL OF GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT . YOU ARE WEARING IT . YOU ARE DRIVING ONE , OR TWO . READ THE LABEL , COUNTRY OF ORIGIN . STOP BUYING FOREIGN MADE GOODS . MAY MEAN YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT / BUILD IT YOURSELF . THE WOOD STUDS I BOUGHT WERE MILLED CANADA . STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS BURNING TIMBER , SO AS TO STOP MORE TIMBER FROM BURNING . ???????? RON PAUL said in his blog , before last election , COST OF LIVING WAS ABOUT TO DOUBLE . WHY IS CONGRESS ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN . ….SALES TAX , SALES TAX SALES TAX . ……THERE IS ABOUT 4 5 CENTS SALES TAX ON EVERY GALLON OF GAS I BUY . THAT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER TAXES , STUFF YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT . Congress wants the sales tax revenue , RAISE THE COMMODITY / PRODUCT cost . WE WILL PAY IT . ……..THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . ALL OF CONGRESS KNOWS IT . NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING TO CHANGE IT . ……….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT … TEL EVERYONE YOU KNOW . T i m

  • Intolerant of Fools

    The patriot movement. The Tea Party? The ones who stand on the sidelines to protest paying their fair share of taxes, while brave men and women fight overseas to protect this land. They are the true patriots.

  • http://www.americanstatesman.org Charles Klein

    I read all of the comments, except the LLLLLOng one. I am in agreement with what Sally Baptiste said and do believe that all of you who have read this, should go to the website americanstatesman.org and copy the complaint. It is your Country, and all that Sally and Charles have done is open the door to helping restore Honesty in our government and to strengthen our Freedoms that are being taken away.

    Charles and Sally cannot do it alone, and neither cn Personal Liberty. “We the People’ have got to get together and assure ourselves that our Freedoms will remain in tact.

    Fiduciary Responsibility is what every elected and appointed official is required to assure their Principals. (Meaning We the People) if they fail to “Defend, Protect, and Uphold ” the Constitutional rights of “WE the People’ they have committed a crime. Check this out at Blacks Law Dictionary.

    If it is true that the Ballots will be counted in the Country of Spain, that is a violation of the rights of the citizens of America. check out Battle of Athens, Tennessee. 1946

    You are the sovereign government of America, our elected officials are your “Servant Representative Government” and they are in that position because of your trust and their promises. It is your duty to make sure that they are held accountable.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA AND OUR TROOPS
    CHARLES KLEIN CO-AUTHOR OF “We the People v. the Ballot Box Establishment”

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