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Parties Divided On New Healthcare Reform Law

September 27, 2010 by  

Parties divided on new healthcare reform lawSeveral key aspects of the healthcare reform legislation that was passed by Congress six months ago went into effect Sept. 23. Some of the changes include protections against denying coverage for children with pre-existing conditions, coverage for young adults up to 26 and elimination of lifetime caps.

The Affordable Health Care Act was praised by the American Heart Association (AHA), which said that millions of Americans will benefit from the new set of guidelines for health-insurance providers to follow.

Earlier this week Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said that health insurance companies in some states are backtracking on their previous pledge to write new policies to accommodate children with pre-existing conditions. Pelosi's statement comes amidst a plan from Congressional Republicans that aims to repeal segments of the bill.

"Under reform, families of these children have new options, but this reversal of their promise reinforces why a whole slate of new patients' rights must not be rolled back by Congressional Republicans — because time after time, insurance companies will place profits over patients," Pelosi said.

According to MSNBC.com, Representative Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) believes that the public will support a sweeping change to the healthcare law, although he admitted that it will be difficult to achieve this because of President Barack Obama's authority to veto legislation.

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  • dan az

    No one said that the health system didnt need overhauling it just didnt need to be hauledover.When this poser gets impeached then it can be fixed. Hopefully soon!

  • s c

    Pelosi can jump into the closest lake. Most Americans do NOT want Obummercare. Obummercare will destroy healthcare in America, and give Uncle Scam even more ways to enslave us.
    If there is ANYONE in America who can’t see through Herr Obummer or Pelosi and her INSANE statement that “we need to pass this legislation to see what’s in it,” then America is doomed, and we’d be
    wrong to try and save it.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      sc,
      careful there, you will be arrested for plotting to pollute a lake!!!

    • Randy

      The lake Pelosi is heading toward was specially prepared to address her brand of lawlessness, depravity, and filth. It’s time to fire this dreadful dragon of a woman, the Harpy of the House.

  • jim

    So far the only change I have seen is the 10% increase in my health insurance. These insane bastards seem to think that by passing laws they can make their own realities come true. That is a new definition of ‘insane’. They can not pass laws which lower the actual cost of achieving something. They might as well pass a bill that outlaws dying. It’s simply insane.

    And as for the American Heart Association: you folks must have just come out of a time warp and failed to wake up. Perhaps your next luncheon ought to be with a psycho therapist to get a REALITY check…and make sure you cash that check in November.

    • 45caliber

      They don’t want to outlaw dying. They want to require us to die as soon as we stop working and paying income tax.

    • Granny Mae

      Jim,

      The American Heart Association is saying what they know they need to say because they have their hand outstretched for their share of the pie !!! They will say what ever they need to so they can continue getting their funding !

  • CJM

    I don’t care what the parties are divided over. Repeal the whole deathbill and start from scratch. The clauses for prevention and exclusion of prior conditions can be written better. As for holding parents responsible for their children’s health care until they are 26 years of age, dump it–the age of majority is between 18 and 21; by age 21, that kid should be on his/her own. If the parent wants to contribute to their child’s well-being after reaching age of majority, that is their business, not the government’s. Any insurance company can write something up to include children who are actively enrolled in a college/university just as they did for handicapped children who cannot legitimately support themselves.

    • kate

      Kids in college, carrying at lease 9 hours can be covered today on the parents insurance policy. I have 4 children and all of mine stayed on my policy until they reached 25 – all were in college at the time. When they graduated from college, they all got jobs that offered insurance! One went into business for himself and got his own policy. I am not sure if the law ‘requires’ the kids to be in college or not. If it does, one more year is no big deal. If it does not – the parents need to have their heads examined for keeping them on the policy!

      • 45caliber

        I agree. My kids were told, graduate and you’re on your own. And I meant it! My wife wasn’t too happy then, but agrees with me now. Why should we continue to support one of them if they don’t want to work? I know one woman locally now in her fifties still living with her parents because she doesn’t like to work. I’d have kicked her out long ago.

        • libertytrain

          I have an extreme leftist sister mostly lives at home these last several decades – living off my dad – she’s thinking she’s retired now. Sixty plus years old – good grief

          • http://?? Joe H.

            libertytrain,
            If it is like it was with me, she will probably get everything when your dad passes. I used to take my vacations and go to my dads to work in his shop to kinda help him out for two weeks. The wife and kids would take day trips from there. I did this for probably fifteen years and when the house was split(?) I got his welder and a handful of tools! My mother lived with us for seven years and we loved it!

          • libertytrain

            Well fortunately he is not dead yet, but yes, she is trying for it all. She really doesn’t want to work – very sad.

      • Granny Mae

        kate,

        You are right. All five of my boys were covered on my policy as long as they were in school, up to 25 I think it was ! This crap they are trying to feed us is nothing new it’s just that a lot of people never knew they may have that kind of coverage and they never looked into it !

    • Jesse

      GRusling is absolutely on target…because of gov’t intrusion the health care system has evolved into a mish mash of paying for everything including cosmetic, duplicative and self defensive medicine. My stepson “the doctor” told me that two thirds of his office staff does nothing medical. Other than coding and and rebilling insurance companies, they perform no functional purpose.

      • 45caliber

        I recently had to go to the emergency room. While there I was subjected to all kinds of tests – most of which have now been denied because they were defensive and “not needed”. None of these would have been done if not for the court system, lawyers, and politicians.

      • Granny Mae

        Jesse,

        My friend the doctor has said the same thing. He has one nurse and four or five other office workers ! Strictly clerical .

    • 45caliber

      Repeal it and don’t even bother to try to start again.

  • FlaJim

    It’s typical of government to pass costly mandates on what a business can or can’t do, expect prices to remain static, and then announce they’re helping us all out. One of the reasons current pricing of health insurance varies so greatly from state to state are state mandates at what must be included in the policy.

    If the feds really wanted to help, they’d enact a law allowing consumers to purchase insurance across state lines so they could access stripped down basic coverage at an affordable rate.

    As far as the rest of the crap in their new bill, the feds need to mind their own business which the Constitution describes as very limited.

    • 45caliber

      I definately agree! Government mandates have ruined many a business and continues to do so as they add more of them.

    • Granny Mae

      I also agree !

  • eddie47d

    The health care issue has been around for many generations. Republicans and Democrats have tried for a decent bill for years. This healthcare bill isn’t perfect but if changes need to be made then that that is what the opposition needs to focus on. They stated that they had great ideas coming from their side. When they get elected or re-elected that would be the time to emphasis these ideas. Since the full effects of this bill takes place in 2014 there should be time to tweak necessary changes. It will be a time to see if they mean what they said or were truly obstructionists.

    • ValDM

      TWEAK IT???????? Get rid of it. I don’t need big govt. to tell me what kind of care I need and then deny me, since I may be too old, too sick, or too anything else.

      • 45caliber

        Val:

        I agree with you. Get rid of it completely. What we had worked. And it still does. Besides, the government won’t wait until you get too old and sick to turn off. They want to do it as soon as you stop working and paying income taxes.

        • eddie47d

          I didn’t want the Iraq War either but we got it. Same could be true for you and the health care bill.

    • 45caliber

      eddie: “… IF changes are needed …?”

      Have you actually read this piece of trash? I didn’t see anything in it that does a better job than my insurance does now. And it had a lot of things the insurance company is now supposed to provide (starting with the 26 year olds) that will definately add to my insurance with no benefit to me. Personally, I told my kids that when they graduated from high school they were on their own unless they went to college. And when they finished college, they were definately on their own! I told them that they would be welcome for a two week visit – but after that I’d show them how to set up a tent in the back yard and dig a latrine.

    • Granny Mae

      I’m not for tweaking ! This bill is an albatros ! 4,000 pages of albatros. There are things in this bill that have nothing to do with health care and we just need to junk it and start over with nothing but health care in mind. Maybe we could throw in a few little tid bits that would effect Pelosi and her cronies and all the Washington idiots in there right now !

    • http://naver samurai

      Sorry edduh! You are not entitled to anything you don’t earn. If they want to try to better the healthcare system, fine, fine, but they should raise the debate to our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility, and the vision to ensure that governemnt remains our servants and not our masters. This bill makes the government a lot bigger than it is now. Why can’t Americans rely on themselves to choose the healthcare they want and not have it mandated on them? WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to rely on ourselves to do this and be responsible for doing it. I hold myself responsible for insuring my 4 kids, no one else. The government can stay out of my and my families business. I remember other posters saying that they covered their kids in college, well I still cover my oldest son and my daughter in college. This administration is trying to make us so dependent on the government for everything and trying to turn us into a socialist state. Sorry dude, but I’ve been fighting against communism and socialism since I signed up at 19 years ols and will not stop now. Just another case of “Our citizens are being buried alive under burdens never authorized by our Constitution or our founding documents.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        samurai,
        I agree 100% my kids were either on their own or in college at eighteen. The oldest lost her good job so she is back with us for awhile and my riles are she has to be working at least part time and activly looking for better employment! She will soon be back on her own!! she pays her upkeep here and a little for rent!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          BTW, where is sook young??? she is more than welcome here!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            OK, I’ll let my wife know. She can respond anytime she wants. She’s another patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    This is wonderful! I’m being sarcastic! Your 26 and under children are now YOUR responsibility. So, your married kids will have all of their healthcare, paid for by you, mommy and daddy. To include all delivery and well-baby care (yes, their children will be covered, too, whether your daughter is married, or not. Their children are your GRANDCHILDREN, and they’ll be covered, too, until their mommy turns 26, all paid for, by you! Pretty slick, huh?!!!) PLUS, YOU GET TO PAY FOR THEIR ABORTIONS, TOO! Isn’t American life wonderful! So, how’s that hopey-changee thingie working out for you! What a bunch of morons we Americans are. I never vote Dem-wit for anything. McCain was correct. WE ALL GOT SCREWED! I hope you figure it out BEFORE YOU GO THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER!

    • dan az

      OneDamnAnryAmerican
      Yes you are and should be if you think about it we where in the military at the age of 17 and 18yrs old.So it looks like we know pay for the health care of our service members being shot and killed too! And for the Government to pass this on to us is this not obsurd We Have been bent over and not offered a Kiss or any vasiline!

      • 45caliber

        Something I hadn’t thought about. Does this 26 year old thing mean that anyone in the military will be covered by your parents’ insurance rather than the government? And that includes any medical problems as well? Oblama has already stated that he feels that the soldiers need to buy their own insurance to save the government money …

        • s c

          45caliber, Herr Obummer, The Anointed One, His Arrogance, the Pretender-in-Chief would be a much better man if he’d been in the military for at least 4 years. He’d have MUCH more common sense, and he’d know that while there are various degrees of care for ‘vets,’ he wouldn’t be making incredibly stupid statements about those in the military having to “take care of their own insurance” so they could save UNCLE SCAM some money.
          When they passed out common sense, Herr Obummer must have been organizing micreants and future criminals in Chicago. Unless we get stuck with a Hannibal Lecter, I refuse to believe that America will EVER have a prez who is as bad, incompetent or as utterly worthless as this one. WHAT did America do to deserve him?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            sc,
            Unfortunately, they voted!!

        • Granny Mae

          45caliber,

          I’m now wondering the same thing ? With Obamass remarks about the military taking care of their own injuries, it sure wouldn’t surprise me and he sure isn’t going to volunteer that info. It is probably hidden and if we want to know we will have to dig it out. If it is true we need to know that info before this coming election !

          • Granny Mae

            Yeah, Didn’t that jack-ass make the statement that our 17 and 18 year olds knew the risk when they signed up? Oh my dear God this is just wrong ! I guess he knew the risk when he took his job too huh? What a jerk !

        • dan az

          45
          I would like to know if the men and women in the military even know what he had said and is going to do to them.Wouldnt it be a shame to have them find out?When I was in it was close to impossible to get any news from home other than the occasional letter.I say we send them all the emails we can and see what heir bummer thinks about it!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            dan az,
            Being in a combat situation, they don’t need that kind of distraction. Their mind has to be on the task at hand!!!

  • GRusling

    During WWII, with a huge shortage of available talent for industry, “Health care” became a “benefit” (that’s a perk folks) offered by many companies to attract that talent. People liked it so it worked.

    What was then offered bore little resemblance to what we now call health care, since it didn’t cover a simple Doctors visit or prescription drugs and in many cases, did NOT include dependent coverage. It wasn’t even CALLED Health Care, it was called “HOSPITALIZATION INSURANCE” and was designed to cover the cost of major medical only, NOT including pregnancy! Only after the war were things like “dependent coverage” added and the foolishness just kept on growing and expanding until NOW you must have “insurance” for the simplest treatment for ANYTHING. There are actually Doctors in this world who refuse to take “CASH,” if that makes any sort of sense!

    Folks, every single thing we require “Employers” or “Government” to do for us adds DOUBLE OR TRIPLE to the “cost” of that thing because the cost of administering the program has to be absorbed somewhere, and that cost comes RIGHT BACK TO US in the form of higher prices (Employer Mandates) and/or higher taxes (government mandates) so it costs us MORE to have some “third party” do it for us! Compare it to “fixing your car” when you do the work yourself, rather than hire a “mechanic” to do it for you.

    Anyone here besides ME remember “before medicare” and “after medicare?” The price of a simple Doctors visit went up ASTRONOMICALLY (from about $5 or $10) and all other costs quickly followed suit! Prices have never looked back since, and they WON’T until we go back to “individual responsibility” and quit expecting someone else to PROVIDE THINGS FOR US FOR FREE, because it really ain’t FREE at all. It translates into higher prices for EVERYTHING, all across the board…

    • LifeRyder

      I remember taking my first wife for appointments during her pregenacy. That was back in 1971. I paid for the doctor visits IN CASH and at each visit. The hourly minimum wage was $1.75 per hour, and I was earning just a little more then that. Each visit cost us $8.00. At the time of due date and birth, the cost for delivery was $484, that included the two day stay in the hospital.
      So yes, I do remember.

    • Jeep

      Sure it’s free, just ask any liberal. It’s a party, and all your dreams will come true! All you have to do is “hope” noone checks your sources, and “change” your handle if they do! Yeehaw!

    • Granny Mae

      GRusling,

      Yes I remember. I had my kids back in the 60′s and we had to pay the hospital ahead of time and also the doctor. It was cash on every visit ! My hubby was making minimum wage then and when I delivered all our bills were paid in full.

  • http://AOL.Com Rick Lebo

    Do you know if my children are covered under my plan until age 26, does it also cover their spouse, and children? How are these poor dependants covered? How about my grandchildren? There seems to be lots of questions left open. Why can’t I stay on my mom’s plan beyond 26, sounds like age discrimination to me. Maybe we can have multiple generations under a single family plan and save us all from the evil insurance companies.
    I think my pre-existing condition is aging beyond 26!

  • jack

    I AGREE WITH MOST COMMENTS, DROVE WELFARE RECIPS WHILE WORKING FOR THE COUNTY AND I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO JOB INTERVIEWS TO FILL OUT APPS.WHEN THEY CAME OUT I WOULD ASK,”HOW DID IT GO?” THEY WOULD SAY I FILLED OUT THE APP. SO I WOULD NOT GET HIRED,I AM NOT WORKING FOR MINIMUM WAGES”
    I WENT BACK TO THE AGENCY AND TOLD THEM THAT AND THEY SAID YOU CAN’T TELL THAT TO ANY ONE THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL INFO AND THAT COULD
    GET YOU FIRED.I SAID,”GOOD,”BECAUSE I AM NOT WORKING FOR ANYONE FOR MIN.WAGES!”

  • 45caliber

    I don’t want “segments” of the bill be be repealed – I want the entire thing appealed!! After reading this torturous thing, I didn’t find one thing in it that was worth what bad it does.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      45caliber,
      I agree. the difference between requiring the kids to be covered to 26 and the company just covering them to 25 willingly, is if it becomes too expensive they can change the coverage or make you pay part of it. They do need to make a LITTLE profit!!

  • Jeep

    Aren’t insurance companies privately owned? So isn’t coverage just a contract between the individual and a private company? I’m just askin’.

    And, I tend to think of the “pre-existing coverage” is a little strange. If you have no coverage, but your car gets dented, then you go to All State and they have to repair the damage? What a great deal! Once my car is repaired, I’ll just drop ‘em and wait until the next accident and pick ‘em up again. Sweet!

    • 45caliber

      Exactly. The reason for all this mess is the feds keep adding things to your insurance requirments to make different small groups happy. But you have to pay for it for them!

      • Jeep

        Spot on…I just haven’t heard from EITHER side the fact that they are messing with private businesses. It seems that BOTH sides are forgetting to include the “private” part (hee hee) in their rhetoric.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Jeep,
          don’t remind them, They might take ir the wrong way and I DON’T want them messing around THERE!!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Right on, fellow patriot! The current administration has ignored the will of the people, played games with the future of our children, bailing out failures and taxing success (in which this Obama bin Laden care has taxes hidden in it). They’re nothing more than traitors and cowards in elected office, seeking only to appease advocacy groups and ethnic interests who promise to deliver the most amount of votes at the next election. They have ignored the will of the people by ramming this thing through in which more than 60% of the people didn’t want. This will, in time, take away our freedom of choice and our rights to a fair coverage. This will also affect our children and their children by denying care and certain specialists that are available to them now. Like I also said, there are taxes hidden in this thing up the azz! The ones who really wanted this to be passed were not just the libs, but also the ones that are too lazy to work or the ones who don’t want to change their household budgets to pay for regular insurance. I guess people don’t want to rely on themselves to do something or take responsibility. We really need to get back to the ways we were founded. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • 45caliber

    If we really want good cheap insurance, we need to be able to pick what parts of it that we want and pay only for those. Instead every time the feds give some group special coverage we ALL have to pay for it. Such as sex change operations. If you need 100% coverage, then pay for it. If you want only major medical, fine, pay for that for a lot less.

    But our government knows what is best for us. I’m certain that next year we will find ourselves paying a lot higher premiums for 26 year olds staying at home rather than going out on their own. (I know one woman locally who is now over fifty and still staying with Mom and Dad! Maybe she could get coverage too.)

  • libra

    HEALTH INS. COMPANIES ARE EXEMPT FROM ANTI-TRUST LAWS. THAT IS THE REASON THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO SELL ACROSS STATE LINES. EVEN SO–ONLY A CERTAIN FEW INS. COMPANIES ARE EVEN PERMITTED TO SELL INS, IN THAT STATE. SORT OF A MINI OLIGIPOLY. THAT IS WHY IT MUST BE SCRAPPED AND DEBATE MUST BEGIN SO THAT A LEGAL, CONSTITUTIONAL AND THOUGHTFUL BILL CAN BE PASSED.. ANOTHER SCAM FROM OBAMA–RAISING THE POVERTY LEVELS WHICH WILL ENABLE MORE PEOPLE INCLUDING ILLEGAL ALIENS TO GET ON THE DOLE. IT WILL BANKRUPT THE STATES WHEN THESE FULL MANDATES BECOME THE STATE’S PROBLEMS AND NOT THE FED’S. PROBLEM. ALSO MANY FRILL ITEMS ARE MANDATED IN OBAMACARE THAT MOST FOLKS WILL NEVER USE BUT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE –DRIVING DRUNK –INJURED– AUTO INS. WILL NOT COVER BUT OBAMACARE BY LAW MUST PAY. IN VITRO TREATMENTS AND FERTILITY CARE.. VERY EXPENSIVE. DRUG AND ALCOHOL ADDICTION TREATMENTS. THAT WILL BE REQUIRED SINCE DRUGGIES AND ALCHOLICS ARE COVERED UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.. THEY ALSO ARE ENTITLED TO FULL DISABILITY SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMENTS UNTIL DEATH. THIS ADMINISTRATION AND I USE THAT TERM LOOSELY HAS RAISED THE FINANCIAL LEVEL OF POVERTY TO THE POINT THAT EVEN I COULD BE CONSIDERED POVERTY STRICKEN.. THERE IS A METHOD TO THIS MADNESS–SIGN UP MORE FOLKS UNTIL THE ENTIRE SYSTEM CRUMBLES.. CLOWARD AND PIVENS. I AM NOT A HATFUL PERSON BUT WHEN I THINK OF WHAT THIS NARCISSISTIC MADMAN HAS DONE TO MY AMERICA I AM VERY ANGRY AND FEARFUL.

  • http://Google Rosalie Bryan

    If something is 99% rotten, why try to save 1% of it; toss it and get fresh! That concerns the so call “healthscare bill” and most of congress; We have an opportunity at voting time to really “clean house and take out the garbage” and we better take it or we may not get another chance.

  • jane rudy

    Does anyone know if they have to be in college to be covered?

  • Allen

    Repeal the new Obumacare law and go back and propose items that are needed seperately and let them pass or fail on their own merits. We need to get out of the habit of attaching things to bills just to slip them in. If it does not directly pertain to the original bill it should have to pass or fail on it’s own merits. Replace Congress, impeach the poser and then repeal the Law on Obumacare. Then all the new positions created by Obummer to increase the Government should be dumped. Remember, Congress and diapers should be changed regularly and for the same reasons.

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