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Pakistan Could Be Obama’s Biggest Blunder

October 13, 2010 by  

Pakistan Could Be Obama’s Biggest Blunder

President Barack Obama has been so preoccupied with the November elections that he has shamefully neglected foreign policy. This is especially true with regard to Pakistan — a nuclear nation that could soon tumble into the hands of Muslim extremists who want to buy a one-way ticket to paradise by killing Infidels.

Despite deficits that have mounted into the trillions of dollars, the Obama administration has been downright miserly towards Pakistan. The result is a fractured Pakistan that may yet be swallowed up by jihad.

According to The Express Tribune, “It is an undeniable fact that a revolution is coming in Pakistan.”

The sobering truth points to one thing — Pakistan is at a tipping point. Whether it is an intended strategy or willful neglect by Obama, radical Muslims could soon seize control of this military superpower and its bristling array of nuclear weapons. If you think President Jimmy Carter executed poor foreign policies during his one term, consider this: Pakistan is Iran on steroids and may become bent on our destruction.

This month militants in Pakistan have destroyed several large and desperately needed fuel supplies headed for our embattled troops in Afghanistan.

Worse yet, these attacks come just days after the Pakistani government — our supposed ally — blocked entry into Afghanistan, bringing the American — Pakistan relationship to an all-time low.

Obama’s war against Afghan insurgents is pushing Pakistan towards the brink of civil war, warns Time Magazine’s Robert Baer: "We’re reduced to common sense in figuring out where Pakistan’s breaking point is. The war in Afghanistan has done nothing for Pakistan’s stability, and in fact it’s gotten progressively shakier over the past 10 years.”

Another Islam Misstep By Obama
Pakistan is America’s most important ally against the war on terror. President George W. Bush understood that and provided Islamabad with more than $11 billion after the 9/11 attacks. But under Obama, President Asif Ali Zardari’s government has received just a tiny fraction of that amount.

Zardari admits that he is nearly impotent against the Taliban-led insurgency that began after Obama assumed office. Today the Taliban encircles the capital, Islamabad.

According to Zardari the United States is not providing enough money to deal with the 18,000 madrassas (radical Muslim religious schools) or enough to backstop Pakistan’s security forces including its army.

There is much at stake, admitted Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: “One of our concerns is that if the worst, the unthinkable were to happen, and this advancing Taliban… were to essentially topple the government for failure to beat them back, then they would have the keys to the nuclear arsenal of Pakistan. We can’t even contemplate that.”

Recent catastrophic floods have pushed Pakistan’s economy to the edge. Islamabad’s debt has ballooned to $55 billion and any tax base to fill it has evaporated. One third of Pakistan’s population has fallen below the poverty line.

A disaster of Biblical proportions is pushing the Islamic nation of 170 million people towards economic collapse. Agriculture has been ravaged by floodwaters that have submerged nearly a quarter of the country’s farmland and swept away 70 percent of the roads and bridges. More than 10,000 schools and 500 hospitals have been destroyed or damaged. There are doubts that the land will improve before the autumn wheat planting. If that happens Pakistan faces starvation. Yet Obama pays no heed to Pakistan’s plight.

The Montreal Gazette reports that millions of Pakistanis — who were just surviving before the floodwaters hit — are now homeless and unable to feed themselves. According to Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, losses from the flood could reach $43 billion which is an Obama-like fortune for this Third World country. Western analysts say that the end result could cause 20 percent inflation. All this for a country already mired in a terrible economic depression.

This month eight suspected German nationals were killed in a U.S. launched missile drone strike in north-western Pakistan. The group is called Jihad al Islami and their very existence has sparked a not-so-funny joke.

Question: “Which is worse: German Nazis or Pakistan Jihadists?
Answer: German Jihadists.”

Pakistan’s Nukes Are America’s Worst Nightmare
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, NATO has been unopposed. That is until now. This month container trucks and fuel tankers that supply 80 percent of NATO’s needs in Afghanistan were blocked by Pakistan forces. This may turn into the biggest embargo America and its allies have faced since Stalin sealed off Berlin six decades ago. It demonstrates what a thin string Obama’s policies are hanging by.

When I was a kid my dad actually started digging a bomb shelter during the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Those were crazy times and it left me worried about nuclear war until I was almost 30. Like many of you, I thought that the collapse of Communism had arrested nuclear Armageddon, at least in my lifetime. But Pakistan is the cause of a whole new nightmare. It is a nuke toting nation whose arsenal may fall under the control of Muslim radicals.

According to Zardari, “We are not a failed state yet but we may become one in 10 years.”

Don’t bet that Zardari isn’t being overly optimistic. His wife — the charismatic Benazir Bhutto — was perhaps the country’s last legitimate national leader before she was brutally assassinated. Since her death the Taliban have launched hundreds of terrorist attacks across Pakistan. The situation has become so bad that Zardari is now a captive of a bunker that more resembles Adolf Hitler’s Wolfsschanze military headquarters than it does a presidential palace in a democratic society.

Things have gotten so bad the Obama administration is attacking the enemy within Pakistan’s borders. If you don’t think that is an alliance in crisis imagine American B-17s bombing England on D-Day.

The Guardian newspaper says the Obama administration has lost patience with Islamabad. This should be worrisome to the world. After all, Zardari’s teetering government is all that stands between us and a Jihad armed with 100 nuclear weapons. Last week in OpEdNews, Michael Payne wrote: “The probability that this scenario (involving Pakistan) could explode into a war like no other in history grows greater every day.”

While Obama’s domestic policies have been atrocious, his lasting legacy may be his failure to deal with Islam and Pakistan. And frankly, I am too old to start digging a bomb shelter.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Mark

    For pakistan to become muslim controlled would be a feather in hussein obamas hat and a ticket to the allah cartoon character. pakistan was not our ally from the word go, but they wanted our money. if they are such a superpower then let them finance themselves or be destroyed by the taliwhackers. that part of the world needs a good nuken because that will be the only way to get some taliwhackers out of circulation. hussein obama is a fool but we are the bigger fools for letting this continue. I say pisss all over obama and his circus clowns and eliminate, if necessary, the fools that keep voting for them.

    • Mike In MI

      Mark -
      Please don’t make foolish remarks. Many fellow citizens who voted for him (and others) now know it was a misguided idea. They still have the right to make up their own minds and opinions; be glad of that. “Eliminating” them automatically implies eliminating any who feel like you do.

      Which brings up another reason for this post:
      I maintain that mis-steps in Pakistan are not nearly his biggest blunder. His biggest blunder has been his revealing his version of OUR Declaration of Independence. I don’t know whether it was a trial ballon, deliberate display of his arrogant expectations or a mistake on his part that reveals his deepest/secret dark intents.
      When his quotation was, “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed with certain…” and left out “by their Creator” it should be a monumental harbinger of his heart’s desire.
      He evidently sees ” the Creator” as an undesireable part of our national heritage, historic documents, shrines and solemn public addresses delivered to the people. It is chilling in this connection.
      Only two sources of rights can exist that I know of. Either God bequeathes them or governments do. If God gives them they are His permanent investment in mankind. If government gives rights, since governments consist of men, they may be rescinded at those men’s whim.
      What men give, men can take away.
      Either they govern or they rule. When people decide to refuse to acknowledge God or His existence, or abandon that recognition or exclude it from common relationships somebody stands to forfeit EVERYTHING!
      Whomever you recognize as superior to you or to whom you give (or whoever TAKES) a position even a tiny bit more equal than you better be someone who likes you. Further you need to be very specially mindful to stay on their “good” side.

      Obama doesn’t make many speech blunders…even Harvard professors can read teleprompters. So I think it safe to consider, given the plethora of previous evidence from this administration’s behavior, what he said to truly represent his conscious intents.

      • michelleo

        Mike In MI – I like your post and agree but I have to take you to task over your comment “Many fellow citizens who voted for him (and others) now know it was a misguided idea”. that is thier fault and no one elses , all of the information was out there just like it is now about the Commie Bastard and his POS wife inside the White house along with who he associates with, who his mewntor was and where he worshipped – these people have noone to blame but themselves and it too late for sorry or “misguilded” feelings – Sincerely

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

          President and Mrs. Obama, to me, epitomize the downside of affirmative action — the Entitlement/Victim Mentality. A lot of good people are caught up in this. They are in a mental prison, and Progressives would love to keep them there. Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, and others continue to fuel this sad manipulation for wealth and cult of personality. I guess you could say they are entrepreneurs!

          The most important step a minority could ever take in this country is to go to a businessperson or mentor in some field, and say “Will you teach me how to succeed in this – I will gladly work for free for the opportunity!”

          This would have a greater economic and character impact than ANYTHING government could “do” for the people. People have to unlock their own self-respect, and working hard toward a goal is the key to the door!

          The irony is that conservatives are the best potential mentors, and those greatest in need of help are taught to see them as the enemy!

          • JC

            Poor people have been voting Democrat for 40 years,
            and they’re still poor. Go gigure.

      • Rennie

        Right! Freedom comes from the hand of God and no lesser being has the right to take them away from us! “Think him poorest who can be a slave, and richest who dares to be free!”

        • HFlashman

          If “freedom comes from the hand of God”..why are so many Right Wing Christians so restricted by their dogma?

          • http://naver samurai

            Why are you left wing extremists hindered by your rhetoric and beliefs of overburdening the average American? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • HFlashman

            Samurai..why are you so intent to continue proving your goals ar similar to the trrorists…the destruction of the Nation and the Rights, liberties and freedoms enjoyed BY ALL ?

          • Granny Mae

            Why do you feel that we right wing Christians are restricted by dogma ? We don’t feel that way !

          • http://naver samurai

            OK flushman, what rights under the Constitution have I and the Christians taken away from you? None! Just because someone believes a certain way, doesn’t mean they are taking away your rights. If doing the will of God, Jesus, saving unborn babies, being anti-gay, and trying to get this country back to the ways of our Christian Founding Fathers makes me a terrorist then so be it! I hope that I get a contract out on me by you libs and Obama bin Laden. It’ll be one of the biggest honors you lib would ever bestow upon me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • James

            HF, Having Rights doesn’t mean being free to do whatever one wants. Christians are restricted by God’s Laws, or, at least, are supposed to be. God has an agenda, which involves the whole earth, however that isn’t preached anymore. Now, Christian churches focus only on Salvation and the hereafter. If one believes he will live happily everafter in heaven, immediately after he dies, he has no incentive to do anything about the turmoils of the moment or even the destiny of his own nation.

          • Mike In MI

            HFlashman – Sounds as if it may be a sincere question. I can give an answer…the opinion I’ve formed from reading and acting on the Book.

            Those Christians who are bound up in legalistic rules and regulations to the extent it seems to hinder them – not all are – are that way because they don’t read the Bible for themselves but let some one-bit (not worth two-bits) closet homo minister or pedophile priest tell them what they should be believing and doing. It was the same way in the Old Testament times. The Devil is scared to death that God’s people will believe His instructions and begin to tear down stuff the Adversary has spent centuries setting up. So, Split-foot manages to weasel his best foot-soldiers into positions of authority to teach and interpret God’s Word to whole denominations and congregations.

            The only thing in the world Satan is afraid of is God’s Word because Satan can’t beat God. It shows to us what God can and will do in us if we believe what it says and discipline (disciple) ourselves to what it says that applies to the time-frame in which we live (according to His time-table). It has always been true that when somebody studies it himself, gets the understanding of it rightly and acts on it faithfully for a while the world, for that individual, assumes an entirely different perspective. Why? Because studying God’s Word begins to give one an idea of how God looks at things.(I’d compare it to the difference between looking down at a city from an eagle’s viewpoint or peering through it from ground level. It’s better to be an eagle than an ant.)

            More impotantly, as the Creator of the Universe, God has power to DO stuff in it. To a faithful, committed child of His He will share some of that power to accomplish things He wants done. (He won’t ask you to make a fool of yourself. It reflects on Him.) He’s a pretty good businessman and He has an investment in somebody who stays faithful. He will do things to assist, provide for and protect His investment. But, we have to ask on the basis of the agreement between us. We sign on, the clauses in the covenant become available to us as we act believingly. (Unbelievers never get the bennys because they NEVER ask.
            Why would an atheist ever ask God for anything? So, they’re on their own.)

            It isn’t a “crutch”. It’s a tool and instruction manual rolled into one (with examples of both good and bad, results and consequences). A tool to build the life you decide you want as you help Him accomplish what He wants. It’s a two-way deal.

            Does that help answer your question? If you want to sign on you can do it right now. God raised Jesus Christ from the dead. Believe it and decide you want his help and instruction, so you make him your boss.

            Now, start studying and drive your mind to understand what’s written so you can do it. Expect to see a whole bunch of “co-incidences” start happening.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Flash………….and what is your point? Yes, FREEDOM comes from GOD not men. Choice comes from GOD not men. Based upon those GOD given freedoms a man makes choices in life. You need someone to make yours for you, correct?

          • LocalYokel

            Perhaps it is their choice? What restrictions would you propose?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I dont know any that are. We are free, and we recognize that God is in control, not us, and surely not the great and wonderful OZbama. We are just enlighted with being able to see in black and white, recognizing right and wrong, while you blind folks on the left, still blinded by Satan’s binders, all see gray, living in that area where everything is allright, as long as you dont hurt anybody. You can choose to live in the darkness, but those of us that have the light, recognize the dangers that your side brings. The lets sit down and talk with those who are planning to cut off our heads. You are so arrogant you think you can change their minds? Its not going to happen. But you cant see that. Oh, but sir, we surely can. Its clear as freshly washed window. We see right through them, and we fully understand they need to be stopped, and rest assured one day they will be. Maybe not by us, the United States, but one day they will be stopped by the one on the Throne, the one they call Jesus Christ. He will deal with them, but it wont be by sitting down with a glass of wine and a dinner like you left wing liberals want to do. Oh no. Its not going to be like that. And you need to open your eyes up to the reality of who you are dealing with. Do you not know, these terrorists would kill you as easily as they would kill me, or Mr. Bush? Are you an American? Then they want you dead. Understand that first, and then maybe you can get better.

      • Vicki

        Our inalienable rights come from only ONE source. Our creator. Not governments. Our forefathers described the situation very clearly in the declaration of independence.

        2nd paragraph
        “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. ”

        Note that governments are created by men and have NO RIGHTS AT ALL. Governments are allowed powers with the consent of the governed.

        Since the government has no rights it can not bestow rights.

        Now to the curious removal of “by their Creator”. It’s absence tells us alot about how Obama thinks but changes nothing. Governments do not bestow rights. All rights come from YOUR creator. Name him/her/it as you will. It changes nothing.

        The most significant gift your creator gave you and from whence all rights spawn is free will. Apply this first principle and all that we hold dear and moral falls neatly into place in the scheme of all there is.

        • Vigilant

          You said: “Note that governments are created by men and have NO RIGHTS AT ALL. Governments are allowed powers with the consent of the governed…Since the government has no rights it can not bestow rights.”

          Well, yes and no. Jefferson’s expression of Natural Rights came from, primarily, Locke’s 2nd Treatise on Civil Government. Under Natural Law we have thousands of rights, up to and including the right to take someone’s life even for less than self defense. The idea of the social compact theory was that we give up certain rights to the government in order to coexist as a civilized society. These rights, freely given up to the government in exchange for protection, are the powers of government.

          The society that constituted itself in 1789 ceded rights to the government. You may call them “powers” or “rights” of government, they’re one and the same. It can be argued that the right to citizenship is not a natural right, since it is only through the law of the land (man’s law, the Constitution) that a person is granted this right (by birth) or as a privilege (naturalization).

          • James

            Vigilant, we didn’t give up ‘rights’ to the federal government. We gave up certain ‘powers’ (those in Art. I, Sec. 8). The Bill of Rights, added two years later, in 1791, restricts the national government from exercising any power over rights, except where the exercise of such rights might jeopardize the security of the nation. They start with “Congress shall make no law” concerning the five rights mentioned therein. Amendments two through eight, mention other rights, then Amendment Nine states that that restrictive theme applies to all rights whether enumerated therein or not, and the Tenth Amendment reminds Congress that “powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution…are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
            No power over rights has ever been delegated to Congress, and the Bill of Rights was added to make that point clear.

          • Vigilant

            James,

            You said, “Vigilant, we didn’t give up ‘rights’ to the federal government. We gave up certain ‘powers’ …No power over rights has ever been delegated to Congress, and the Bill of Rights was added to make that point clear.”

            Sorry, please go back and research the social contract theory.

            Re Walter Berns, “Taking the Constitution Seriously:”

            “Free government cannot be instituted if men insist on retaining their natural rights to govern themselves; that right has to be surrendered. Each man must consent to be governed, which, as Hobbes puts it, he does when he lays down his natural right to govern himself. In Locke’s version, civil society is formed when everyone “has quitted his natural power [to punish offenders], resigned it up into the hands of the community.” Paradoxically, security for rights requires the surrender of certain rights; they are surrendered into the hands of civil society.”

            In other words, if we did not surrender any rights, we would have no government. We would each be sovereign with respect to ourselves, as in a state of nature, and that would be for all intents and purposes, a state of war.

            As an individual, you do not have the right to declare war, to grant citizenship, levy taxes, or any number of things we have given government the right (power) to do. When we constituted ourselves as a civil society, we retained the basic natural rights of life, liberty and property, and a host of other natural rights. But we did in fact cede certain other rights to the government. That, sir, is precisely what the Constitution is all about.

          • Vicki

            Vicki said:
            ——
            “Note that governments are created by men and have NO RIGHTS AT ALL. Governments are allowed powers with the consent of the governed…Since the government has no rights it can not bestow rights.”
            ——

            Vigilant said:
            “Well, yes and no. Jefferson’s expression of Natural Rights came from, primarily, Locke’s 2nd Treatise on Civil Government. Under Natural Law we have thousands of rights, up to and including the right to take someone’s life even for less than self defense.”

            My expression of rights comes from first cause. The existence of free will. (People who do not believe in free will can stop reading this :) )

            I have to right to life as does your strawman. I do have the power to kill. I do NOT have the right to kill. Should the strawman you provided decide to deprive me of my right to life I have a duty to my Creator to defend the gift given to me (life). Should the strawman fail to survive my defense that is between him and his Creator.

            I have the power not the right to kill. We in the US, Thru the Constitution have handed to government certain powers. One of them is the power to kill. Government did not get the right to kill. Just the power. Now we also gave very strict rules for government to use before it can kill. (It as in thru agents who are of course human). They are in particular embodied in the concept of “due process” where we laid out a bunch of instructions of what to do before we The People would condone the government depriving a citizen of any of his/her rights.

            Vigilant said:
            “The idea of the social compact theory was that we give up certain rights to the government in order to coexist as a civilized society. These rights, freely given up to the government in exchange for protection, are the powers of government.”

            As already stated we do not give up ANY rights. We give SOME powers to a body we call “government” As James pointed out see Article 1 section 8 for the list given to the FedGov.

            Vigilant said:
            “The society that constituted itself in 1789 ceded rights to the government. You may call them “powers” or “rights” of government, they’re one and the same.”

            They are not the same and calling them such is the cause of much confusion in today’s world.

            Vigilant said:
            “It can be argued that the right to citizenship is not a natural right, since it is only through the law of the land (man’s law, the Constitution) that a person is granted this right (by birth) or as a privilege (naturalization)”

            Citizenship is obviously a privilege granted by government. I was born here in the USA. It is my privilege to be a US Citizen by birth. Our government grants citizenship to natural born persons because that is one of the rules we required of it when “We The People” created this government.

          • Vigilant

            Vicki,

            Your sophomoric wordsmithing does nothing but confuse the issue. Look at it this way, you are not arguing with me, you are arguing against the composite wisdom of Enlightenment philosophers (Hobbes, Locke, Diderot, Rousseau, et al.), legal theorists, Constitutional scholars AND our Founding Fathers (Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Adams, et. al.), when you deny that we give up certain natural rights in exchange for government. Your usage of the word “right” is not compatible with the very Enlightenment philosophy that is the basis for our form of government. How does one have a logical conversation with anyone who refuses to grant the word-for-word quotations of the people who provided the philosophy upon which this nation was founded?

            Your reference to “due process” is taken from the 14th Amendment, in which the government did grant rights, called “civil rights,” to the newly freed slaves.

          • Vicki

            Vigilant writs:
            Vicki,

            “Your sophomoric wordsmithing does nothing but confuse the issue.”

            Ad hominum attack. Nice try. No doughnut.

            Vigilant:”Look at it this way, you are not arguing wth me, you are arguing against the composite wisdom of Enlightenment philosophers (Hobbes, Locke, Diderot, Rousseau, et al.), legal theorists, Constitutional scholars AND our Founding Fathers (Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Adams, et. al.), when you deny that we give up certain natural rights in exchange for government.”

            Silly me. Actually daring to think for myself.

            Vigilant:” Your usage of the word “right” is not compatible with the very Enlightenment philosophy that is the basis for our form of government. How does one have a logical conversation with anyone who refuses to grant the word-for-word quotations of the people who provided the philosophy upon which this nation was founded?”

            I am quite willing to have that conversation with them since it is from studying their writings that I have come to some of my own conclusions.

            “Your reference to “due process” is taken from the 14th Amendment, in which the government did grant rights, called “civil rights,” to the newly freed slaves.”

            The government did not grant any rights to the people who had been held in slavery. The government merely realized that the people were PEOPLE not animals or 3/5ths of a people. Actually it was WE THE PEOPLE who realized that a person is a person regardless of the person’s skin color. The government simply accepted this fact and forced state governments who where not so willing to accept the fact that people with REALLY good suntans are still PEOPLE.

          • Vicki

            Vigilant writes:
            “Your reference to “due process” is taken from the 14th Amendment, in which the government did grant rights, called “civil rights,” to the newly freed slaves”

            Actually it does not. My reference to “due process” comes directly from the Bill of Rights.

            Amendment 5:
            “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without DUE PROCESS of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

          • Vicki

            Found another ref to powers to rather than rights from

            Declaration of Independance (USA)
            “That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

            Thus reinforcing the concept that governments are given powers with consent of the governed.

          • FlaJim

            Jefferson’s understanding of Natural Law appears nowhere in the Constitution nor anywhere else in our founding documents. It took so long to ratify the Constitution because States wanted federal power to be extrememly limited and they wanted to cede as little control as possible.

            The original Constitution (in which Jefferson took no part) is a list of four things the feds can do and the Bill of Rights is basically a confirmation that the feds are to have very limited power. The federation was the first organization of its kind in modern times. The States were considered sovereign except in surrendering some of that to the feds in common defense, trade, and international relations.

            That’s why it was so outrageous that the northinvaded the South as soon as Va seceded. There was no right to do so because the state ahd freely entered into the compact and simply opted out because the northeast that owned Lincoln had overtaxed Southern exports.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com J. D,

            Vigilant, you need to read more carefully. The Constitution does not grant citizenship to anyone, it merely acknowledges that we are U.S. citizens, and defines who are citizens in amendment 14.
            “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

            Surely you would not contend that amendment 14 conferred or granted the right of citizenship, as that would force the absurd conclusion that prior to enactment of amendment 14 there were no U.S. citizens.

            The Constitution itself refutes that absurdity, since Article II Section 1 acknowledges the presence of ‘citizens’ at the time of its adoption, which would logically imply that there had to be U.S. citizens during the time of its drafting.
            “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;”

            In fact, The Declaration of Independence, which actually separated the colonies from English rule, and established the independent United States of America, referred to ‘our fellow citizens’ thirteen years prior to adoption of the Constitution.

            All that the Constitution grants to or confers on citizens are privileges and Immunities in Article IV Section 2.
            “The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.”

            Further, God never gave anyone a right to kill for less than self defense. “Thou shalt not kill.” However, we do have a right to self defense by means of deadly force. That right is secured,(not granted), by law. Most of us still have the ‘power’(since we exercise our right to bear arms), to kill for reasons less than self defense, but no ‘right’ to do so.

            ‘Rights’ and ‘powers’ are neither synonymous nor interchangeable in use. Neither our Government nor any government agent has any rights to exercise on behalf of the government. The government by and through its agents may exercise only those few and enumerated powers delegated to it by the Constitution.

          • LocalYokel

            In such government by rule of law should not all who have sworn the oath of office be held accountable to the letter of the laws limiting their powers under contract stipulations as well as citizens are held accountable to the intent of any bogus restrictions under guise of law limiting their daily activities? Are there not just two among them required for a charge of treason?

          • Vigilant

            FlaJim

            “Jefferson’s understanding of Natural Law appears nowhere in the Constitution nor anywhere else in our founding documents.”

            I have never contended that Jefferson’s understanding of Natural Law appears in the Constitution…where do you get that from? As for the Declaration of Independence, I’d call that a founding document, wouldn’t you? And the most famous statement in that document is an iteration of Natural Law.

            “The original Constitution (in which Jefferson took no part) is a list of four things the feds can do and the Bill of Rights is basically a confirmation that the feds are to have very limited power. The federation was the first organization of its kind in modern times. The States were considered sovereign except in surrendering some of that to the feds in common defense, trade, and international relations.”

            What are you getting at? I have no argument with you, except that Jefferson had a very important part in counseling his good friend Madison, the “Father of the Constitution.” Madison, who began by passionately defending the Constitution as a Federalist, slowly became an Antifederalist to the point that he urged the Bill of Rights to blunt the power of the Feds.

            “That’s why it was so outrageous that the north invaded the South as soon as Va seceded. There was no right to do so because the state had freely entered into the compact and simply opted out because the northeast that owned Lincoln had overtaxed Southern exports.”

            Here’s where we part ways. Your expression of state’s rights is utterly typical of the skewed history about the Civil War that has been taught in Southern schools since they lost he war. A failure to admit that slavery was a very important proximate cause of the war is, in some respects, akin to the denial of the Holocaust. And your obvious distaste for Lincoln, perhaps the greatest president in our history, is unconscionable.

          • Vigilant

            J.D,

            “Vigilant, you need to read more carefully. The Constitution does not grant citizenship to anyone, it merely acknowledges that we are U.S. citizens, and defines who are citizens in amendment 14.”

            Sir, you are absolutely wrong on that score. If you are to refer to “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,” then please explain to me why the Indians, slaves, and Tories were not considered citizens of the USA. Simply, because they were not “persons” in the meaning of the provision.

            Any group of people who constitute themselves is free to define who is a citizen and who is not. The people of America denied that privilege to the categories stated above.

            “Surely you would not contend that amendment 14 conferred or granted the right of citizenship, as that would force the absurd conclusion that prior to enactment of amendment 14 there were no U.S. citizens.”

            I contend precisely that. The 14th Amendment was designed and structured specifically to grant citizenship to the newly freed slaves, and ONLY to them. It created a right called a “civil right,” and the unique status it conferred on the freed slave was to be a citizen of the United States but not a citizen of the states in which they resided. This is Constitutional law, and I suggest YOU “read it more carefully.”

            “The Constitution itself refutes that absurdity, since Article II Section 1 acknowledges the presence of ‘citizens’ at the time of its adoption, which would logically imply that there had to be U.S. citizens during the time of its drafting.”

            Once again, Tories, Indians and slaves were not citizens. If you doubt that, consider that if the slaves were citizens, the 3/5 compromise on Congressional representation would never have been required.

            “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;”

            True, and that’s why no slave, Indian or Loyalist could have become president.

            All that the Constitution grants to or confers on citizens are privileges and Immunities in Article IV Section 2.
            “The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.”

            And slaves did not become citizens of any state as the result of the 14th Amendment. They became “citizens of the United States.” There’s a whole body of constitutional case law that revolves around this concept.

            “Further, God never gave anyone a right to kill for less than self defense. “Thou shalt not kill.”

            You are quoting the 10 Commandments from the Judeo/Christian Bible. The Constitution is not based on the Bible, it is based on the expression of Natural Law as contained in the Declaration of Independence. The important Founders were almost exclusively Deists, and were interested in the tenets of Natural Law as expressed by Enlightenment philosophers such as John Locke, et. al.

            “‘Rights’ and ‘powers’ are neither synonymous nor interchangeable in use. Neither our Government nor any government agent has any rights to exercise on behalf of the government. The government by and through its agents may exercise only those few and enumerated powers delegated to it by the Constitution.”

            If it makes you any happier, and you refuse to read the words of the Enlightenment philosophers regarding the tradeoff of rights for security, then consider that the rights are “suspended,” rather than relinquished.

        • Kinetic1

          This is, without a doubt one of the best discussions I have ever read on this site. I see that, by the end Vigilant was getting a bit frustrated and perhaps a bit grumpy, and I don’t believe that it was necessary to be quite so harsh with Vicki, but I must stand by Vigilantes’ interpretation of the words used by those great men of the enlightenment.

          Kudos do go to Vicki for her explanation of the origin of our basic rights “All rights come from YOUR creator. Name him/her/it as you will. It changes nothing.” The emphasis here should be, as she placed it, on “YOUR CREATOR.” The founders were clear that not all men recognize the same creator and it’s nice to see that recognized.

          • Vicki

            Yes the founders were very clear about that and in several places.

            Declaration of independence
            “….the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them….”
            “….that they are endowed by their Creator…”

            For amusement I looked up the words right and power and found right occurred in the Constitution (outside the bor) only in ref to inventors.

            The word power occurred in many places being the items we delegated to the fedgov.

            As James mentioned in another comment the BoR was added cause the founding fathers were pretty sure that the government would presume powers far beyond their station.

            In it rights ALWAYS refer to properties of people and powers to actions of people unless the people delegated those powers to the government at some level (Amendment 10).

            The word right is used in
            Amendment 1 – “…the right of the people peaceably to assemble,…”
            Amendment 2 – “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms…”
            Amendment 4 – “The right of the people to be secure….”
            Amendment 6 – “…the accused shall enjoy the right….”
            Amendment 7 – “…the right of trial by jury shall be preserved…”

            And Amendment 9 which I shall quote in its entirety.
            The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

            Yes Our forefathers did indeed understand the difference between rights, powers and privileges.

          • Vigilant

            Kinetic1:

            Yes, I do tend to get frustrated and grumpy, thanks for pointing that out. My sincere apologies to Vicki for my harsh words. I appreciate that you have looked into our history and have good analytical abilities. And, you express yourself well. I’ll try to cool it next time (:-)

            Kinetic1, we most often have differing points of view, but I have always been able to count on a good discussion from you. Thank you for the kind words.

          • Vicki

            Ok :)

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Mark,
        Careful what you wish for. Those nukes could possibly reach the U.S. as well! let’s see, who do you want to go first? Your wife and kids, Mom and Dad? I know, Aunt Lucy! you never liked the way she pinched your cheeks as a kid, right???

      • Neptune

        PAKISTAN, could be Pres Obama’s biggest blunder? Hello, try it is just one of MANY and his massive deficit in foreign policy and military is an absolute disgrace and proven his incompetence deluxe! The man is an complete idiot and a bowing/apologizing baffoon.

        You know it is truly sad that Americans elected their first African American President (as HE prefers to be called and states he this), and also the last and will be the only African American President as he has ruined any chance for a future African American President to ever hold such a high office.

        As far as Pakistan goes – WHAT PRESIDENT GAVE THEM THE NUKES? CHECK IT OUT! WHAT PRESIDENTS, have sat back and have done NOTHING regarding them and ESPECIALLY our C O R R U P T Congress for the last four years and even the ones prior. VOTE WISELY, but DO VOTE!

        • Kinetic1

          You say this as if one has the right to assume that ALL African Americans would perform as he did! Would you expect the same actions from Condoleezza Rice?

          • LocalYokel

            Both common sense and msm have potential influence with what others may presume with obvious incompatibility. Those too lazy to compose their own philosophy also have the right to assume that of others with expectation of dreams fulfilled void of any responsibility to correct their own misguided direction in the presence of their peers. And the blame game continues. Although a futile exercise, casting pearls before swine is as common today as it has always been.
            The absence of coordinated reserve effort is evidenced by arguments substantiated with historical philosophies and common goals but void of dedicated commitment other than voting. Independence from governmental control is once again at risk but honor is rare among incumbent scoundrels. You are challenged to name fifty six from among them or among yourselves that would endorse the following excerpt :

            “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

            GET ON THE SAME PAGE before a “more of the same” surprise in November.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        We are led by our national press and newspapers to believe that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are our friends. I beg to differ. Both of these countries use us for what they can get, and would love for nothing more than the muslim world to take us over. Pakistan has for a long time hid Bin Laden and given him comfort, and Saudi Arabia you can bet has given him information every time we got close to him. They all over there in the muslim world, have the belief, that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. So they can talk all they want that they are our friends, but cut off our supply of money and aid and military support for them, and watch the dogs attack us. Saudi Arabia dont forget, was the home off almost all of the 9-11 attackers. They are as dirty a dog as they come, and the only reason they dont attack us or try to, is they need our protection, and they dont want to spend too much money on a military, as they are busy spending it on buying prostitutes, gold sinks and bath tubs, and living high off the hog. Pakistan is dirty as is Saudi Arabia. I do not trust any of them.

    • Dogma-Free

      Keep Fear Alive!!

      You guys are doing a great job of it so far! Keep it up, fellow fear-mongers!! ;-)

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        Sounds a lot like Neville Chamberlain. What war on terror?

    • Vigilant

      Mark,

      It may come as a surprise to you, but Pakistan has been a Muslim state since Gandhi’s time.

      “…that part of the world needs a good nuken because that will be the only way to get some taliwhackers out of circulation.”

      Wake up! Any nuclear war between Pakistan and India will fill the WORLD with lethal radioactive fallout. It would make Chernobyl look like a Sunday barbeque.

      • Rennie

        My biggest concern, is our troops, who will be too close should such a war break out with any of the neighboring countries, the only thing they can do, is seize pak’s nukes and remove them from the theatre, otherwise they should LEAVE NOW. No country getting billions of US dollars to help find Bin Laden, will let us succeed. Cut off the money for cooperation, or surrender of the nukes, or GET OUT NOW. Partnerships don’t work when your “partner” is working against you.

      • HFlashman

        May be a surprise to you, but Pakistan has had a Muslim majority since the century after Mohammed

        • Vigilant

          No surprise at all, Flush,

          The modern state of Pakistan was established on 14 August 1947. It became an Islamic Republic in 1956.

      • James

        Vigilant, Ghandi was East Indian, he opposed British rule in India.

        • Vigilant

          James and Flush,

          And???? Nothing tht you two have offered is different from what I said: Pakistan has been a Muslim state since Gandhi’s time.

    • Carole Howell

      Mark,
      The pentagon runs the show, they refuse to do as the commander in chief orders, did you not get that message from Woodward’s new book? Who runs the Pentagon? Certain large Corporations who make money on the wars not run to be won, but to be drawn out as long as possible, WAR IS big $$$$$$ to some. The hell with who gets killed, to hell with is it right or just, it is all about the $$$$$$$$ honey. And our boys are just the cannon fodder that bring in the $$$$$$$ for these fat cats.

      • http://YouTube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcut

        Carole, As far as I know, no one has ever tried to estimate how many soldiers, and civilians would not have died after the bomb that was set to kill Adolf Hitler had suceeded in what the conspiriters wanted to do. I’ll bet 2 million, maybe more. Do you understand what I’m saying?

        • James

          Lawrence, who was worse, Hitler or Stalin?

          • http://naver samurai

            Different ideologies, but still about the same as far as goals. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            They were both evil men, and their evil deeds followed them.

  • wayne

    You are completely forgetting something here: if Pakistan goes down to Al Qaeda it’s not going to be us that is first in line to deal with them.

    Do you actually think that India is going to stand idly by while this happens? The biggest thing we need to do is to be prepared to get our troops out of Afghanistan – like right now.

    Am I in favor of us losing the Afghan war?

    No, but it is one Hell of a lot easier to use nuclear weapons against the Jihadi’s if we don’t have troops in their midst. We should have used nukes there in the first place right after 911 at the very least against Kandahar (where Bin Laden was living after 911) and Tora Bora.

    • 45caliber

      I’m shocked … SHOCKED! … that you would suggest using Satan’s weapons against such God-fearing people! Don’t you know that using nukes is WRONG!? We should NEVER do that! Not even if we are in danger of being destroyed or if they use them first! (Unless of course, they bomb one of our NE cities and then it is okay.)

      (Actually, I agree with you.)

    • eddie47d

      Many Arab and Muslim governments are dangerous.Saudi Arabia supported the Wahhabi schools which created terrorists and the Pakistan government supports Madrassas schools which creates terrorists. They bring evil onto themselves and try to drag the world into their stupidity. Get the picture? Religion and government together should never be allowed to control people’s lives. A very dangerous combination.

      • Mike In MI

        eddie47d -

        GOOD post and excellent logic. I always knew, deep down, you’re a good person with goodness in heart.
        Just remember – nobody here ever “forced” you to believe a thing.

      • a progressive nightmare

        Does that include your “Wordly” marxist religion?

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        Actually, I think amorality and government is a much worse combination. Religion is not the main problem. Its founding documents can certainly be improved over time. Expedient interpretation of religion is a problem, but no more so than expedient interpretation of the Constitution, or “global warming”, or how to create jobs, etc.

        This post to me is just a another “progressive” dart thrown at religion, and a diversion from the topic.

        • Vigilant

          Allan:

          Excellent post, I agree wholeheartedly.

        • James

          Allan, the Bible can be improved? Revelation 22:18-19 reads: “If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life.”

          • Vigilant

            James,

            Allan said, “Expedient interpretation of religion is a problem,” and that’s where the real trouble lies. This is not a theological debate.

            If you cared to look at the post closer, Allan’s railing against amoral government, i.e., government on the basis of such things that are not tied to or related in some way to morality. Christian morality is the probably the best starting point for a government, and I believe our Founders fully understood the firm moral basis provided by Chtistianity.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      wayne,
      do you honestly think China and Russia are going to stand by while we use a nuke against ANYBOBY?!?!?!? I wish you people that are for a nuke strike would use your heads for something besides a tool to keep your ears apart!!!

      • Ted Crawford

        That is the whole point exactly Joe! Which nation uses nukes first is a secondary question, the important one is, once that can of worms is opened, how in the world will we ever put the lid back on!!!

    • Vigilant

      You toss around the nuclear option as if we are playing some kind of X-Box 360 game. It strikes me that you don’t realize, or worse, don’t care, that nukes create consequences far from the field of battle. You think damages would be limited to just the blast areas?

      As I said before, any nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would have deadly repercussions due to lethal fallout WORLDWIDE. It is a PRIMARY consideration of US national security to prevent such a scenario.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Vigilant,
        I don’t know if that was directed at me, but I have discussed that very problem here before. Japan didn’t effect the world much as it was a smaller kiloton than what we have here and it wasn’t a desert as is the middle east. If you explode a nuke there you are going to push so much radio active dust into the air that you better pray that the prevailing winds circle the middle east till it all drops, and we all know that WON’T happen. Chernobyl was an accident at a nuke plant that didn’t put up much radio active dust into the prevailing winds yet we measured rads here from it. while they weren’t high, it could be far worse if it is a nuke in all that sifting sand!!!

        • Vigilant

          Joe H.

          No, my comments were not at all directed to you. I note we are in 100% agreement.

          I was living in Germany when Chernobyl occurred, and the radiation was sufficiently high that the Germans took the cows off the gtazing land, we couldn’t drink local milk, and were told not to eat the produce from out gardens. And that level of radiation was miniscule compared to what would be in the air if ANY nuclear exchange occurred in the world.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I agree. I hate war. I hate killing. But worse yet, I hate sitting back and watching them pick off people one by one, 10 by 10, 20 x 20, and it wont stop until they are. They have avowed over and over, in many many ways, that they live for one reason alone, to kill us, and they will kill themselves trying to kill us. They dont understand diplomacy like the left wants to play. They laugh at it and recognize the weakness that it is with them. While we talk, they continue to kill us. As soon as 9-11 happened, and we connected the dots with Bin Laden, and knew the area he was in, we should have obliterated that area, and from that point on, these terrorist cell nations would not harbor these guys, as they would know what would happen if they did. Pakistan has hid him. Saudi Arabia has given him notice of our moves, and they are all puppets out to destroy the United States and Israel, and it is INSANE to act like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are our friends. They are dirty goats, and are all the same guy. We need to stop giving them money, and remove our hand from them, and let them fall. Weve got oil elsewhere if we really want it. Heck, if we really want it, we could take theirs. Stop being their puppet, while thinking we are the puppet master. They are pulling the strings and using the hell out of us, and the dummies in Washington are their puppets. Enough is enough. Get out of bed with all these muslim Arab nations, now, before its too late. They are all the same guy. And that isnt a generalized statement for all you left wing pacifists out there. Thats an honest to God fact. The very tenant of their religion is to kill anyone who thinks different than they do. Fact. Look it up and check it out.

  • s c

    Either Herr Obummer’s hope and change approach has some interesting flaws in it, or he could argue that he’s just doing what he’s told. The basic issue was (and still is) whether or not we can truly justify being in that part of the world.
    Isn’t it bad enough that we’re the world’s cop? We don’t have the resources to carry out that role. Doesn’t this make America a reincarnation of old Rome? Mr. Obama can say what he wants (after he clears it with his handlers, that is). He’s not good for America.
    Is there anything that he can’t screw up in the name of democracy or whatever term fits? Under other circumstances, I’d wish him good luck, but it just doesn’t apply with him.
    If ‘damned if we do and damned if we don’t’ is the best we can expect from this spectacularly aromatic administration, then you don’t need a frickin’ crystal ball to see what’s coming, folks. Oh, what a tangled web is weaved by those whose arses aren’t owned by America.

    • Warrior

      Maybe Hilary is diverting the Haiti relief funds to???? Nobody can seem to find that pesky billion dollars yet….

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Like anyone would ever get any truths out of a Clinton? Thats not going to happen.

    • 45caliber

      s c:

      Considering what is going on in our country, you can bet that the progressives/liberals have no interest in bringing our military home. After all, the military in other parts of the world will take over a government that is failing. Ours might do the same!

      If anything, I expect the war to expand even more so they can get as many of our military out of the country as possible – after they remove all loyal Oblama followers to move them into Homeland Security, of course.

    • HFlashman

      OK Sparky…since you seem to have all the answers, let us hear them in re: Pakistan.

      Let’s go through some recent history…supplementing what Myers ‘conveneiently’ omitted in his lame attempt to blame the Obama Administration for the mess in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

      First, Shrub/Cheney … they isoltaed the US in having any alliances other than pakistan in the war in Afghanistan. With a nice touch of idiocy and clumsiness..they cut off the Northern supply routes through the ‘stans up north. They isolated Turkey with the support for the Kurds in Iraq after being slapped dwn by Turkey when Shrub and Cheney went to enrich their pals and lied us into war with Iraq. Then..in a master stroke, they gave billions…billions in Danegeld to Pakista’s dictatorship and military to buy them off…while at the ame time turning a blind eye to the corruption, state imposed fear and control, and obvious aid to the Taliban.

      When Bhyutto was assiasinated just 13 days before what appeared to be an election victory…an assasination so transparent to be laid at the feet of the dictatorship and military…Shrub went so far as to urge the continuation of the elections guaranteeing the dictatorship a hollow victory.

      Meanwhile…our Main Supply Route was always under attack whenever shipments went north to our troops.

      Now fast forward to this summer when flooding hit the country. Hve you read what the leadership of pakista did? They took European vacations and left the country. Fact is, they have refused all aid unless it is funneled through ‘authorized” agencies…which means, they skim off the top.

      So Sparky…despite what Myers wants you to believe, our Sec of State is dealing with this debacle left by Bush/Cheney.

      One can readily see the results of we had continued to give blanket support to the crrupt regime…take a look at what occurred with the Shah in Iran and subsequent events.

      Instead, this Administration is taking out taliban and al Qaeda leadership whenever they get a shot at it, they have tied any further monies to forcing improvements to the countryside and forced a strict diet of accountability, and begun to position the US to whatever emerges once this regime is overthrown…because we cannot support it without eventually having another Iran situation.

      It’s easy to spout nonsense and idiocy … the first posters on this subject and Myers article proves that hands down.

      But to say we have ignored Pakistan and calling for unfettered contiued support of this corrupt regime? Jeesh …. that’s bordering on deliberate aiding of the terrorists.

      • Jim W.

        Actually the reason for this whole mess can be traced to you idiot leftist. We have been stalled as far as energy in this country since the sixties because of you leftist. If we had continued on the path we began the energy from the mid east would be a foot note now and we would not be paying for the terrorist activity that we then have to fight militarily. Without the money they would not be a risk. The risk is greater now because you idiots voted for a total light weight Muslim who hates this country and is actively working against American interests.

        • HFlashman

          Stalled as far as energy. OK…you lost me. What are you referring to?

          • Vigilant

            NUCLEAR ENERGY.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Actually, things were going pretty well, until this arrogant SOB came into office, that hadnt talked to the General running for the war for 6 weeks, and when said General revealed that, he was fired. Come on man, 6 weeks? Your the head guy and you dont talk to the guy running things for 6 weeks? Are you kidding me. And you blame Bush? Is it Bush’s fault that Obama is removing the tax cuts and some 25 million of us are going to get reamed? Even more than that? Is it Bush’s fault that do to these tax cuts going way, that over a million people are going to lose their jobs? How you gonna blame Bush/Cheney/Halliburton for this one? You take the cake. Instant revisionist history. While Obama should have been paying attention to what was going on over there, he was in the back room behind closed doors ramming a socialist health care scam down the throats of 70 percent of the people that were against it. He was busy expanding welfare and food stamps and other social handouts to buy voters, and giving away billions of dollars to illegal aliens, and GM and Chrysler, to buy future hispanic and union votes. He was busy spending billions to give our money away to third world nations to have America pay for abortions in their country, so they could murder more children in their mothers wombs. Millions have lost their jobs under this guys tutelage, and million more to follow. The only jobs created in 2 years are more and more government jobs, that we all get taxed more for to pay for. Its such a bad job buddy, that I guarantee you that the democrats will throw him under the bus and run Hillary or someone else in 2012, because they know he is un-electable now. And that way they can all distance themselves from him, and point the finger at him and place the blame on someone other than themselves, because you and I both know, that is the democratic thing to do when your in the Democrat party. FACT.

  • David

    Isn’t this what our socialists want? World chaos? It appears to be the plan. Hey why not feed off of peoples’ fear of the end of the world on 12/23/12? Seems like we are building up for it.

    So Pakistan falls, then what? India and Pakistan go at it? Iran/Israel? Looks like things are going to get real interesting.

    • slickporsche

      Could we be so lucky that the countries you talk about could wipe each other from the face of the map? THe world of Islam is crazy, so what is to stop them from joining together to be a real superpower,instead of killing each other. Are they smart enough to do that? An Islamic SuperPower. I really believe that the only thing that will slow the advance of Islam, is nuclear power. Now I am not talking nuclear power plants,I m talking the obliteration of an entire country in one attack.Then another and another, and then??

      • alpha-lemming

        I suppose they could unite and be a REAL problem, but we’ve got about 3000 years of historical evidence suggesting it “ain’t in their nature”.

      • David

        Then it would be us against China and Russia to see who stakes claim to what is left of the oil. But we may all be hunter/gathers after that so who cares. Learn how to fish and to can vegetables :)

        Maybe we should start by rounding up all of those radicals here at home so we don’t have to deal with them when all heck breaks loose….

      • Vicki

        Do not waste Nukes on radical Islam. They have no fear of death and in fact welcome it. What they fear is being cut off from paradise.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The Islamic countries will never unite. They cant do it. They will continued to kill each other forever. As long as their are Bathes, Shiite’s, Sunni’s and other sects, they will forever kill each other. Unlike Baptist, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Missionary, Wesleyan, Catholic and all other denominations here in the United States and in the World, we all recognize Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and though we may have slight difference and nuances to our denominations, we have one thing in common. 1. Love your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind, and 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. We give of ourselves for others, and sacrifice to help others. The Islamic world believes that is someone is different than you, they are an infidel, so you kill them. And you get a reward? My God, Jesus Christ, says Love one another, not kill. In fact, it is written, “Thou shalt not kill”. Unless the Islamic world goes through a reformation, they will never heal.

    • 45caliber

      Actually, the NWO wants to eliminate about 7.5 billion people. And the only real way to do that is an all-out nuclear and bacterial war. You have to start it somewhere.

      • JeffH

        …hmmmmm, you just might be on to something…hmmmm!

      • Vicki

        Hmmmm… If they really want to eliminate 7.6 billion people they are just going to have to wait. There’s only about 6.8 billion people currently alive including them.
        http://www.worldometers.info/

      • LocalYokel

        Population control has been funded by some $22 billion in donations from wealthy prominent Americans and is well under way through water, food and air contamination. Mandatory health care is only camouflage for a more orderly process of elimination of organic stranglers while making the victims pay for the show.
        Judging by guarded underground preparations by all major governments and the super rich, some expected series of catastrophic events should be forthcoming. “Boomers”(nuke armed subs) cruising who knows where may well be under doomsday orders triggered by communications failure for a predetermined time limit regardless of what may be portrayed on TV documentaries. The effective unspoken strategy of the Kennedy scenario with the red phone call to the Kremlin over missiles in Cuba will never be forgotten. He really rocked the NWO boat with that one.
        You may have to wait to see”what’s shakin” in 2012 but those at the top have info that’s not available to the general public and the sold out media can’t ask of tell.
        Within pure probability some of what’s on you tube must be true. You get to choose what to ignore.

    • eddie47d

      David; Check out the comments on this site and it is fairly clear who wants world chaos.Right wing radicals and Muslim extremests.

      • JC

        Whereas the left is just trying to kill all freedom of economy, thought and property through coercive governmental policy. Eating away at all we’ve worked for like a cancer.
        That’s why genuine conservative, live and let live policies are the way to go.
        Back to the Constitution and back to the Bill of Rights.
        The rest of the world can look after itself for a while…

      • a progressive nightmare

        Ole Eddie47ddddddddd still seems to be a bit confused? I think you meant Left-wing radical progressive-marxists, didn’t you?

      • eddie47d

        I meant exactly what I said Rev. Nightmare.

        • a progressive nightmare

          Seems to me that history points in YOUR direction my friend. Just look around you right now and tell me what you see. Have you ever witnessed a more divided country? I haven’t and I’ve been around for over a 1/2 century. How many people have died under YOUR euphoric marxist system?………MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS…….. so before you refer to us as terrorist maybe you should try looking in the mirror.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Muslim extremist do indeed. It is their belief that they do this and exterminate all Christian influence from the world. If they can topple the United States, its all over. However, these right wing extremists you refer to, are actually intelligent human beings who are clear thinking enough to understand, that if you dont whack them, your going to get whacked. Thats the way it is pal. Your not going to talk them out of changing their minds. Your not going to change a muslims outlook that you and I are infidels and deserve death. They will kill you as quick and they will kill me. Do you not understand that. You could hand them your house and bank account and wife and kids, and tell them, “hey, Im with you buddy”, and they would take all you have then cut your stinking head off, and thats the bottom line. However, you pacifist appeasers just cant see it. I dont know if you all are so arrogant you think your mere words can change their ideals, but if so, you are way off base. They dont understand the language of common sense. They do not understand love. Come on man. They marry a woman, and she accidently bumps into another man walking down the street, they kill her for it. Does that sound like love to you? They strap a bomb on the back of their 6 year old daughter, and have her walk into a mall, and blow her up, along with innocent women and children in the mall. And they say God’s blesses them for this. And you defend and back them up? Unbelievable. Until you speak a language one understands, nothing gets through. They understand one language, Kaboom. So, if you want to communicate with them, speak their language. Kaboom.

      • LocalYokel

        Get real Eddie. Ignoring both of those who can miss the similar prophesies from three different geographical locations all pointing to the same date in your immediate future. It’s gonna be one terrific ride while it lasts. The fun begins at the sixth trumpet.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Eddie and those in the dark, do not understand the trumpets and the angels dumping out their bowls. They only know earthly men things. In the darkness, they cannot fathom Him who holds it all together. That is why they think like they do, they lean on their own understanding, and thats a good way to get lost.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      Yep, I laugh when the Progressives use the word fear-mongering. Their whole approach is to make the world fearful of system collapse – the environment, the economy, you name it – so they can have their utopian vision. Oh wondrous Progressives – please save us from our potential!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Allan,
        don’t even joke about the progressives taking over and “saving” us!!! I shudder in revulsion at the thought!!!

        • HFlashman

          Joe…you shudder at the thought of being saved?

          • Mustang

            Just who the hell do you propose will be the one(s) to save us

          • http://?? Joe H.

            flush,
            The way the progressives want to “save” us, you are dam right I shudder at the thought!

          • http://naver samurai

            Way too much kool aid during the day!

  • David

    Pull the troops, and drop the nukes. I recall that strategy worked in WWII. Try this comparison on for size, look at Hiroshima today, where is that 1000 years of radiation? Now look at Detroit today after roughly the same amount of time under Democratic rule, who is worse off???

    Put the troops on our borders.

    • Warrior

      So True!

    • 45caliber

      I agree.

    • Wild Bill

      A very astute observation sir.Also consider this,if we were to nuke Detroit it would fall under the heading of “urban renewel”.
      Wild Bill
      Alaska

      • Rennie

        The Detroit fallout would rain down on me, so expect the New England states moving to Alaska if that happens.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      David,
      yup it worked real well. Of course it helped just a little bit that we were the only ones to have them!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Or Philadelphia or Chicago or Los Angeles. All these liberal cities are broke, full of homeless people, millions out of work, and illegal aliens running around living off of our dime. Isnt democrat rule of these cities wonderful?

  • rosina

    When World War 111 really starts, it will be a war of religion. I believe it will be the end of the world as we know it.
    I hope to God, in whom I believe, that I will be long gone from this earth as I think it will be the ARMAGEDDON that everyone has talked about for so long.
    Prayer is about the only answer.

    • Robert S

      All of you people that want so badly to nuke somebody are more dangerous than the Taliban. You have no idea what would happen after the first bomb is dropped. If you want to kill muslims I will give you the address of the recruiting station so you can sign up.

      • slickporsche

        Well Robert, who do you want to have the first strike? Someone will have that opportunity, and I hope it is us. Because of Islam we are headed for world war III.If you also believe in the bible and the prophecies,you know that it is supposed to begin in the middle east.If you do not believe in the bible and the prophecies, then you would still know this all to be true. It is also written that a new or young country will be the victor.Who could that be?

        • Robert S

          Hey Slick The US started all the problems in the ME> They want to take over all the oil.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Gimme a break Robert. Are you serious? If we wanted the oil, we would go take the oil. Who is going to stop us over there? Saudi Arabia. Right. Pakistan, riding in on a herd of Camels, using our left over World War II warships we sold them? Jordan? Iran? Iraq? Who is it? Nobody over there could stop us if that is what we wanted to do, so your assertation is assinine. We went over there because old Saddam decided to invade Kuwait. Then we returned because old Saddam was funding terrorist cells, and he was collecting WMD’s, which, oh by the way, were all inventoried under the Clinton admin by Kofi Annon and his boys. Funny how they all disappeared when we went in and the National Press said Bush lied about them? Hmm. I remember when they released the itemized list of all the WMD’s he had before the war. But guys like you purport that Saddam was a sweetheart of a guy, and we should have just let him get on a roll like Hitler did, and act after he took over everything. So according to you, its all our fault, that Sikhs and Sunni’s and Shiite’s have been killing each other for a couple of thousand years. Wow, is your finger sore yet from pointing it at yourself. Amazing how some just cant see the light of day in front of themselves.

      • alpha-lemming

        I’ve been of a mind that this particular enemy requires a different kind of warfare. If you carpet bomb a swamp, after it’s all over, you still have a swamp. Likewise the TOTALLY IDIOTIC practice of pulling our punches and “trading casualties” so the bad guys’ll like us better?? How’s that workin’ out?? I kinda like the idea of pork-rind bullets.

        I’m not an advocate of a tactical nuke drop BUT…. If Mecca as a glowing glass parking lot didn’t elicit reactions of “HOLY SHIITE… maybe we’ll rethink this whole take down the great Satan thing”… it WILL at least be PROOF POSITIVE that these are people you can NEVER negotiate with.

        • Rennie

          Tom Tancredo was the only Presidential candidate with a grasp of how to respond to nuclear attack by jihadists, destroy what they value most, as you say. What are the odds of Uhbama ordering that?

          • Vicki

            What they value most is their access to paradise.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Rennie,
            I suggest that you look a little deeper into tancredo. I was all for a ticket of him and Hunter for pres and vice pres but then I found a little story about him and amnesty and another on term limits. He swore to only run for three terms, made a solemn promise in fact! actually was chairman for the committee for term limits!
            He is also very amnesty minded!!

      • Wild Bill

        Robert,you sir are obviously a product of the vaunted progressive public education system.You fail to grasp the concept of facetious dialog.If you disagree with me further I will arrange for your pet poodle to be sexually assaulted by a derainged alley cat.
        PS-I have secreted a small nuke in your electric razor.
        Wild Bill
        Alaska

        • Granny Mae

          Wild Bill,

          LOL ! Shame, shame ! In his electric razor????? Hmmmmmmmmmm!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          He must shave a lot Wild Bill, because I dont think he has a hair on his —.

    • artinthewild

      I wholeheartedly agree – it’s been ordained. Many things that were ordained in the Bible have come true – this is going to happen also…Just hope I’m gone before it happens. God Bless America.

      • 45caliber

        I agree. I’m not looking forward to such a thing for me or my children. By the time it is over, I expect to see total chaos – total war. Everyone against everyone else.

        • HFlashman

          Is that why you keep pushing for it 45?

          • 45caliber

            Not pushing for it, flash. Getting ready for it. Two different things entirely.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Flashpan, what whole will you and your buddies be in when the crap hits the fan?

          • HFlashman

            Nightmare…on the other side of the fan watching you take it all…though being covered in it will undoubtedly make you feel at home seeing as all you spiel is what would hit the fan …

          • a progressive nightmare

            I was really looking for a GPS coordinate… LMAO!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            It is what it is flushman. In the end, brother will turn against brother, and sister against sister, and father against son and mother against daughter. It is written that way, and thats how its going to go down. You can deny it as long as you like, but there is one day coming when you wont be able to deny it anymore, when all the Truth comes down. Unfortunately, for some it will be too late.

    • 45caliber

      Wars of religion are particular grim because they are the type of wars that demand total anniliation of the other side. But there is one good reason as far as the ones starting the war is concerned: They can insist that, due to religious reasons, all newly acquired wealth belongs to the religion – them.

      • a progressive nightmare

        45…..All wars are religious wars. You have two types of religion. One is based upon “Wordly Beliefs” and the other is based upon “Spiritual Beliefs”. Take for instance the “King OBLAMA” followers where you have people stating they had “Chills” go up their legs. Others have referred to him as the Messiah. He has actually stood in the pulpit and talked about “Collective Salavation”. This comes from Black Liberation theology which comes from marxism. SO, bottom line, ALL WARS from the beginning to the end of time are religious….i.e.; Good vs Evil….GOD vs Satin

  • Ben

    I saw through Hussein Obama’s falsehoods during his campaign. How in the heck couuld have anybody voted for him is such irresponsible thinking shows how out of touch the American people are today. I hope those of you who did are rethinking your morals and remember November.

    • Wayne

      Ben, you are so right. I saw through NObama also, way before he was voted in as president. I think it was the majority of the younger crowd that put this Muslim in office. After all this time NObama has been in office, there appears to be some people who still supports his ideology. All I can say is, I feel sorry for them. This man came out of the darkness, No one, including myself, really knew who he was until he ran for president. I followed him to get to know him and it did not take me long to realize that he was a narcissist person with a lot of hot air. When he made the statement to Joe The Plummer, we have to share the wealth, that did it for me. Able bodied people has to earn their wealth by working.

      • alpha-lemming

        Also, on the “oldies hit parade” I heard earlier this week was his line from a debate with McLame. When confronted with facts illustrating the relationship between tax-cuts and increased revenue to the Government… his response was (paraphrasing) “revenues aren’t important, tax increases make things farer”.

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

          Yes, I thought that was very revealing. Anyone doing a normal amount of voter homework should have seen how poorly qualified this man was. It seemed obvious, but sometimes people only hear what they want to hear. Obama was the candyman. Be careful, it rots your teeth.

          • libertytrain

            Allan – with your Candyman reference I immediately imaged the horror flicks of the same name – yep – “Candyman” is a proper fit.

      • spike

        It wasn’t just the younger crowd. My mother voted for the purple lipped wonder, too…and I knew once I saw an old man, obviously a veteran, with a VFW hat on on the island of a busy intersection, that we were done…Plus they had the black vote from the get go. No black person will vote against their blackness and he personifies it all.

        • Wayne

          spike, a lot of the older misinformed voters did vote for NObama. I liken this to my deceased mother-in-law, God Bless her, who believeed that O.J. Simpson did not kill his exwife and friend. It did take me too long to figure out that O. J. did kill his wife.

    • 45caliber

      When he gave his first major speech that spoke of “Hope and Change” – without identifying what that might be – I decided that there was no way I could support him. If he won’t even tell what he plans, why should I vote for him and it? It’s like the Oblamacare package – you must vote for it to see what is in it.

      And I won’t do that.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You know Ben, it is so scary, that a person can come out of nowhere, and pay some millions for a bunch of TV commercials, and just say “change, change, change”, and never reveal who they are, where they are from, what they stand for, what course of action they are going to take, just nothing at all, and then people blindly vote for them. That is so damn scary. These people that voted for him did not educate themselves at all. To vote for anyone, in any office, as little as a recording secretary in a town, to mayor, to congressman, to Senator, Governor and President, one should educate them as to what that person stands for, what their belief system is. Where they are from, who they associate with, their moral fabric. What course they want to take. All of these things should be found out before one pulls the lever next to their name. To do any less is un-acceptable, and un-educated and irresponsible. This happened to us in 2008, and now look at the price this country is paying. Its sad, and scary.

  • http://violentreligion.blogspot.com violentreligion.blogspot.com

    Your article is very timely and very important and must be read by all policy makers soonest. Pakistan the ROOT of all evil as their capital Islamabad the city of Islam – denotes. All big talebans and Yemeni/Saudi terror leaders, some of these are well known, live well fed wonderful lives with dozens of women at service, in palatial houses and luxury flats in Islamabad and nearby Rawalpindi in newly built colonies. These colonies where over 150 billion dollar has been spent in past 7/8 years alone,, to build houses for Military and top leaders of Pakistan is mostly funneled from the US Aid funds.

    Almost every single attack on US, UK and Nato forces in Pakistan or Afghanistan is driven from Islamabad/Rawalpindi twin cities.
    We have news that Pakistan is now testing new nuke weapons at alarming speed and they may deploy them in Afghanistan in secret locations and in several Middle East cities. Their next target is Israel and Europe. Irani missiles may work or not but Pakistani missiles with Chinese technologies who stole from the USA by espionage do work well as already tested.
    EUROPE and Parts of Near East Mediterranean and South Asia may have the worst nuclear annihilation and after that what could happen to the world is simply a thought.

    We must stop Pakistan from further deteriorating the situation. Almost 90% of terror attacks world wide are designed, plotted and executed from Rawalpindi/Islamabad and Dubai cities and there is a huge network of Pakistani airforce, airlines, diplomatic and other international agencies offices that are routinely used to assist the terror networks.
    CIA is sleeping and has no clue and the intelligence is only focusing on wrong places. Saudis and UAE fund many of these big operations. 100% of all charities based in USA and UK specially by Pakistanis are nothing but front operations for funneling funds to the terrorists.

    World must wake up now or it will be too late.

    World Governments must wake up and do something for Ex Muslims – demand for a new country or area to migrate
    violentreligion.blogspot.com/2010/10/world-governments-must-wake-up-and-do.html

    • slickporsche

      So what is the purpose of the new Mosque in New York ? Who is paying for that? Why is America so dumb as to let a thing like this to be built?? It will be used against us! Not a doubt in my mind. Everyone of the Islamic cult needs to be rounded up and deported from America.

      • http://violentreligion.blogspot.com violentreligion.blogspot.com

        The proposed mosque on twin tower adjacent land is financed by Saudi Arabia and UAE both sovereign states.

        Under any laws this is a clear invasion and rape of the United States. FYI you morons who support the mosque is that THE MUSLIMS are united and they place a flag in form of a mosque on all conquered lands.
        America is already conquered. The UK France Germany and Denmark are already conquered in form of thousands of new mosques each day financed by the state of Saudi Arabia stashed with over trillion dollars from oil and hajj revenue.

        NOW foolish Americans think that Saudis or Pakistanis or any Muslims can ever be friend of Europe or America? NEVER.

        For 1400 years Muslims marauders destroyed and plundered the rich cultures of Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, India and now slowly encroaching into all over Europe and North America.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          violentreligeon,
          Those guidence specs were not stolen by China!!! They were handed to them on a silver platter by Willie boy Clinton!!! He should have been hung for treason!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Not only that, but these same union guys continue to vote democrat after Clinton shipped a ton of their jobs to Mexico and allowed millions more to follow. The worst presidency ever, and the left hail him as a hero. He sank the bank system, defiled the White House, his wife, his family, his country. Sold technology to China, sold jobs to Mexico, plundered social security, let terrorists set up cells and pull off 9-11, weakened our military and intelligence, and left us in a huge depression. And now they all want to point the finger at Bush? What a joke they truly are on the left.

    • Wayne

      Now since we have a Muslim in as president the Muslim Nations won’t have to steal our secrets anymore. The secrets will be given to them upon request. We spend billions of our money to develope these weapons of war and they either give it away, or our security is so weak that it gets stolen. I think we are living on borrowed time.

      • j.McConnell

        “steal” Who has to steal?
        So much of our technology is available for the
        cost of a subscription to Popular Science, etc.

    • http://eletter@news.personaliberty.com Randy

      WE still don’t get it? obama works in unision with the bloodthirsty jihadist muslims!!!.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I will tell you this, if Pakistan ever gets any plans to nuke Israel, Israel will know about it, and they will level Pakistan immediately, and there isnt any doubt about it.

  • http://msn Margaret

    obama is unreal retardone of the biggest he is not preidental metterial at alll he is just one rather lg fck u p

  • http://msn Margaret

    impeach obama

    • slickporsche

      Nah, several million Patriots need to march on the White House and take it. (Offensive sentence removed)

  • john

    The war in Afghanistan is a deterrence..it is not a war to be won or lost it is a war to keep the jihadists from attacking at least on a large scale over here.I highly doubt we’re even still looking for Bin Ladin..besides he was just the face and financier of attacks the real planning and carry out was done by Sheik Khalid Mohammed who now currently rots slowly away in isolation in one of our maximum securtiy prisons.I agree that India will not lay low on this and are most like watching and monitering Pakistan very closely..let’s hope to God that nobody pulls the nuclear trigger on anyone.Let’s remember that not all people are bad or hateful no matter what religion or nationality.Letting the Taliban get hold of Pakistans nukes would be equivalent of a caveman with technology…this cannot be allowed to happen..Obama has already dropped the ball on Iran during the dissent and uprising against the Islamic regime..we had our chance to cut the head off the Islamic revolution and blew it..but then again look at who our President is..Barack Hussein Obama..what a nice American name.

    • 45caliber

      john:

      I don’t believe ben Laden is even still alive. I believe he died back during the initial attack in one of those caves. And I think Washington knows this. But the Muslems are kept believing he is alive by the al Qida since they know many of their allies and support will fall away if they admit it. We simply don’t have proof of his death – and they probably wouldn’t believe it if we did.

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        I think we should just make the claim that he is dead. Then some followers and Progressives can be discouraged, and worst case, he has to make an appearance to help us locate him.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I agree Allan, that’s a good idea. Like show pictures of some guy that looks like him, lying dead in a pigs den with about 100 giant hogs running all over him. I think then if he was alive, he would pop up really quick. And shoot, all this hubbub about waterboarding. Id just catch a few, and pull out a few pigskins, and these guys would spill their guts. Of course, the lefties would say that was torture also, but yet its ok with them that these guys pull out swords and cut off other peoples heads. Unreal.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Why should Obama’s “foreign policy neglect” be any different, than the rest of his policies, they ALL suck! It seems the more enemies he creates, the better he likes it!___BTW_ I found it quite strange, that the Presidential Seal, fell off the podium, while he was speaking?

    • http://personalliberty.com RandyH

      Maybe it’s a premonition of what is happening to his excuse for a presidency.

      • Angel Wannabe

        RandyH, My thoughts exactly!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          angel Wannabe,
          could also be an indication of the fact that Washington itself is falling apart!!!

          • Granny Mae

            Then again, maybe it is a sign that our Lord has it all in control ! You can’t cover up the signs of the Lord and speak in his house about abortion and all the things against the Lord without suffering the consequences ! That is the big difference between our Lord and the Muslim god. In the Muslim faith they have to do all the dirty work for their God. In our faith, Our Lord can take care of himself and is all powerful. We don’t have to do any dirty work. Besides we couldn’t do it as well as he can! All I can say is hang on to your shorts this is going to be one heck of a ride !

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And one other thing Granny Mae. Our Lord, Jesus Christ is alive and well. The grave couldnt hold Him. He is the only living God. All others are still dead and their rotted bones are in the grave. My God lives.

  • http://eletter@news.personaliberty.com Randy

    As s.c. said I’d wish him (obummer)good luck BUT the way he goes about things is very suspect.Itseems he truly does not like this USA at all.things in pakistan etc. all over the world are like a tinderbox.And what is obozo doing well he is more concerned with going to campaign speeches on college campuses where he can contiue to brain wash 20 yr.olds who have no responsibilties!.Is not his job to protect the country!.WHO then is doing that job. It is either one thing or another one is he is an immature person or all this carrying on is on purpose and is in THEIR grand global plan to take this country down.

  • http://violentreligion.blogspot.com violentreligion.blogspot.com

    Margaret commenting on Obama. Well currently he is the President and elected by people. But he should have knowledge of all and that is the duty of intelligence. Our intelligence is surely great but there is a big huge gap as in relation to Pakistan. Pakistan is still considered a normal, civil society and a friendly nation. Whereas the reality is that Pakistan has become a terror state, a rough nation with no leadership, driven by a military that has an entire brigade disguised as Taleban. More than that the Military even has a civil brigade who disguises as a political party to run and influence local elections in some areas like Karachi. Pakistan is the epicenter of terror for the world.

    This country needs very careful attention and the US leadership must immediately do some realtime work on this issue.
    As John Myers rightly points out the biggest problem is that majority of 95% of Pakistanis are innocent victims of the war lords and Islamic lobby who are actually use these populace. Pakistani citizens do not have any civil services that common people have. There is no education, no electricity. Only madrassas have been opened with the aid money that are catering as recruiting centers for new terrorists.

    All US money that was given to Pakistan for disaster relief was misused and is being used to build up more networks and to create more power for terrorists. Many of the top 5 big charities in Pakistan are actually driven by Pakistani military’s ISI directly and you can ask any common Pakistani on the street.

    It is a joke as Most diplomats posted in Islamabad only frequent a few bars and hotels and hardly meet any common people. Any ordinary person in any Pakistani city will tell you from where the terror is coming than about 1000 intelligence officers relying on newspaper reports.

    USA IS IN WAR and it is not equipped with proper intelligence and this will cause total fracas and failure of Nato and Pakistani terror state will dominate the scene along with their masters in Beijing.

    You will see how US forces will return after having failed there in this region.

  • Wayne

    There must be two Wayne’s on the forum.

    I have always been told to stay out of debt, and save up for a rainy day. We know that Congress members do not do this when it comes to the taxpayers money. I am a registered Republican, but I consider myself a conservative. I grew up poor and that has a tendency to make a person conservative. This is the way I see it. We have Communist, Socialist, Liberals, and many other people in our government. Think of it this way; the two main parties are Republican and Democrat. Now the people who would like to change our system of government cannot run on a ticket of being a Communist, Socialist, or a liberal, or they would never get elected. So, they have to either run as a Republican or a Democrat to be able to get elected. This is why you have bad people in both parties. This could be stopped, or slowed down considerably if the idiots of both parties would vet their candidates better than what they have in the past. Just think, if the Democrats would have vetted Barack Hussein NObama we would not be discussing his birth certificate issue, or whether he is a Muslim or not. When a person applies for a law enforcement job he is thoroughly vetted. Even when I was in the military I was fingerprinted and had to name what religious denomination I was. Now, since this applies to these jobs, you would surely think it would apply to the position of being a president of a nation who will be in charge of all the nations security. Our Nations debt has been building up for the last 30 years, but it has really gained momentum under NObama. I’ll tell you exactly what our trouble is; it is the peoples failure to know what in the hell their law makers are doing on Capital Hill. We vote them in, and then we never see them again until they come back and start begging for their job back, again. After they are elected to Congress a lot of them come out rich. Do you suppose they are taking money under the table from some of the lobbyists that go to Capital Hill. I would almost bet my life this is happening. People are going to have to wake up and start watching their representatives in Congress like they watch their favorite baseball game, football game, basketball games, and etc. Until this happens, there will never be any change on Capital Hill. There are good and bad on both sides of the isle. Instead of voting Republican, or Democrat, let’s vet our individual candidate, and vote for the individual instead or the party. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

    • slickporsche

      YOu have it all wrong and completly missed the real need.

    • 45caliber

      Wayne:

      You have it all right.

      • Wayne

        Thanks for backing me up 45caliber. I knew we had some people on here that had commom sense. If we could vet our congress members and get some that had conservative values, this country would not be in the economic mess we are in now. I don’t want the bill collectors calling, or visiting my house. Vote for the conservatives in Novermber.

        • JeffH

          YUP!

        • Granny Mae

          Wayne,

          God bless you. You have just put into words exactly what I have been advocating for years. You got it right and I hope a lot of others will finally see it to ! Tanks for the post !

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I hear what your saying, and agree somewhat, but the problem Ive seen for quite sometime, is some Republicans have stopped being true conservatives, and I dont see any Democrats that are conservative. If their party says tow the party line on murdering infants in the womb, they will tow that line. If they say tow the party line on giving benefits to illegal aliens, they tow that party line. Im thinking that is why Evan Bayh resigned in Indiana, because he didnt want to be a part of what they are doing. Allthough I am a Republican, I know who Evan Bayh is and he was a good man in office, and I think they got to him, and he left. It is a shame to me, and I do take the time to educate myself as to the choices on election day, as to who they are and what they stand for, and its pretty much for awhile now, been a case of voting for the lesser of two evils, and it shouldnt have to be that way. But when you get a bunch of lawyers running things, I guess there isnt a lot more to expect than that.

  • AmShegar

    HARRP THE RADICAL JIHAD’S

    WE ARE GOING TO HERTZ THE PAKISTANI PEOPLE WITH A VERY LOW RECURRENCE’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ARNOLD CARL TAPP

    NUKE THEM ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT .
    BRING HOME ” OR BOYS ” AND STOP LETTING THEM
    FIGHT FOR SOME 5 th WORLD , IGNORANT CUNTRY THAT DOES NOT APPRECIATE IT
    WHEN AMERICA LOSES ONE SOLDIER , THAT IS ONE TOO DAMN MANY .
    WE PAY OUR TAX DOLLARS FOR THE SUPPORT AD WELL BEING OF
    AMERICA , AND WE CAN NOT SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD ..

    • 45caliber

      You need to think that through a little better.

      • JC

        And spell it better too. ;)

  • Wayne

    This is another view of what is happening to our country when it comes to jobs going over seas: I took this off of another forum to show you how things look in Pa. since I live in this state now. I was stupid to move here:

    10/12/2010 4:29:40 PM

    A. Our area of Pennsylvania was the cement belt of the country for decades. Lehigh Portland Cement the largest has been purchased by a German Company. Like Mack Trucks who was purchased by Volvo and had been here since its beginnings Lehigh Portland Cement is moving it WORLD HEADQUARTERS out of our valley after a century and more.

    JUST NOW AND TODAY OUR LOCAL MEDIA ANNOUNCED THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS ALLOWING PERU TO IMPORT CEMENT INTO NEW YORK CITY. This was the only business the 5 last remaining companies in the valley had to keep them open.

    When the cement from Peru starts coming in to the USA it will close the last of our valley cement companies, trucking companies and many other related industries.

    Channel 69 just announced that The Obama Administration is allowing stimulus money to be used to import cement into New York City from Peru.

    REPRESENTATIVE Charlie Dent had representatives from the last 5 Cement companies in the Lehigh Valley meet with him to fight this importation of cement.

    Keystone and four other companies have been running at only 30 percent and this would close them if allowed to happen.

    Who would ever believed our cities and new structures would be build with cement from Peru?

    Isn’t this a shame what is happening to the USA? Please vote for the conservative in Nov.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      WAYNE;thank the dumocrats,bill clinton and the rhinos that passed (NAFTA) they gave away americas industrial jobs and its still going on,i guess when these new world order morons are done,this nation will have the economy of haiti and look the same way,thanks to the incumbant traitors at all levels of this nations government for causing this orcharstrated collaspe of this republic.in any nations books its called treason!

    • HFlashman

      Vote for Conservatives???? You dummy…it’s the Conservatives that implemented the policies that caused the problems you cite. You think this just occurred overnight? Jeesh ….

      • JC

        You DUMMY! It’s been EVERY administration for DECADES!
        Good Lord but you are a well programmed tool.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        HFLsahman,go crawl back into your tiny world,for its going to end this election,moron.

      • Wayne

        I don’t mean wolves in Sheep clothing. I mean real Conservative that has values and principles that have love for their country and its people. We have too many Communist, Socialist and Liberals that are running as Republicans and Democrats and this is what makes up our current Congress. We have got to vote for the individual, not the party. HFlashman, from seeing your post on this forum, the way you express your ideology, and your mindset, I am firmly convinced you are not a true patriot of this country. Just where are you from????

      • JLC

        Flashman — Actually, the roots of today’s problems go back AT LEAST as far as the Roosevelt (FDR) administration. Maybe further, but that is as far back as I can clearly remember.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Flush,
        We have had very few if any true conservatives in government, just as we have had very few, if any true liberals in government in the last 30 years or longer. Get a clue dip stick!!!

    • Rennie

      The liberals would have it that Bush drove the jobs from the USA, and not their regulations, taxes, and union demands. We can’t have a fair trade deal unless all foreign operations comply with the same regulations as domestic ones are forced to. That is not a “free market”, that is government destroying it’s own GDP. It also cripples our defensive abilty, because steel and concrete are the back bone of national defense, both of which, along with vital technologies, have been exported. One EMP and we will be back to horses and sails, foreign imports will take months or years. We need local productive ability, we need not just the jobs but to keep the skills alive and machinery intact. When Reconstruction saw the relocation of Northern textile mills to the south, machinery not removed sat idle for decades, when China buys out our southern textile mills, they destroy the machinery to prevent it ever competing with them again. We have to import food, clothing, medicines, vehicle and avionics parts, what would happen if WW3 happens and we have some clown who has declared we would never use nukes to defend ourselves sitting in the White House?

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      Sorry to hear this Wayne. Is the union a factor that might have made the company uncompetitive?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Pennsylvania has voted liberal for quite awhile now havent they? Even when they elected Arlen Spectre, he was a liberal in conservatives clothing. things will not get better there until you rid yourselves of the liberals, but when they own the press, both TV and newspapers there, because dont know they are being lied to.

  • JF in CA

    Let the Taliban try to take over and use nukes on their neighbors. This will kill off many of our enemies and will create a huge war between the various Mulslim factions in the middle east. I’m sick and tired of those that continue to beleive we need to protect everybody. We can mop up when everything is said and done and promote allies in the region. Screw the oil, this will force us to drill here and not rely on the middle BFE east. Sure it will be tough on us but I don’t give a rats ass about our supposed allies in the M.E.

    • 45caliber

      We can’t drill for oil here. Oblama has given it to the CHinese to keep them loaning us money. The Chinese just “bought” a large ng field in South Texas and are looking for an oil company to buy. And then guess who will be allowed to drill and who isn’t? And guess where all the American oil and gas will go?

      • HFlashman

        Where will it go/ probably the same place our North Slope oil goes after Bush/Cheney and the Congressional NeoCons relaxed the laws and regulations concerning the marketing of that oil.

        Everything pulled out of the ground in the US as far as oil and gas….goes to the international marketplace to be bought by the highest bidder.

        Just another “gift” the GOP gave the American people …

        • alpha-lemming

          You got one right (file under: even a broken clock is right two times a day)!! It does go to the world market, but it’s not because of 43, the GOP or a conservative master plan. It’s Economics 101.

          • 45caliber

            It was set up that way before it was even drilled. The original idea was to bring it down to the US by pipeline and refine it here for our use. But the way the oil companies get most of their profits is by “selling” the oil to a holding company when it reaches international waters and then “buying” it back at an increased rate – which is what their profits are based upon. They use Hong Kong since there is no law there that demands disclosure of ownership of the holding company. They didn’t want the oil to go in American or Candian lands because that would have prevented that “sale”.

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

          You are ignoring the role of environmental restrictions.

          • HFlashman

            What role would that be?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The role that they give the democrats millions of dollars so that we have to go out into deep water to drill , where it is unsafe and they dont even have the foresight to think that when something happens, its hard to fix, and the oil is still going to come ashore. The same role that makes people in California pay like 45,000.00 to do a study before they build anything, to make sure they dont disturb a wooly worm that may be in the soil 6′ down.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Not true. And he has been gone two years now. Look in the mirror and see who is to blame now, as idiots like you have put this wanker in the oval office that hasnt a clue what to do. Thanks man.

      • john

        The problem with borrowing money from China is that a half hour later you’ll want to borrow some more.

        • 45caliber

          Too true!

    • Wayne

      I agree JF. We have been the big policeman of the world for too many years. Since China has all our money, let them handle it for a while. I hate to see this country borrow money from the Chinese just to fight other countries battles. You know that the Chinese have to be laughing at us. Let vote in good quality people with Conservative values that will look out for the best interest of this country.

  • 45caliber

    “Zardari admits that he is nearly impotent against the Taliban-led insurgency that began after Obama assumed office. Today the Taliban encircles the capital, Islamabad.”

    I’m not surprised. The Taliban took one look at Oblama and said to themselves, “We don’t have anything to worry about from HIM! Let’s go!”

    • Warrior

      Yes, just one little bow speaks volumes.

    • Wayne

      NObama is a Narcissist Hot Air Blowing Muslim Wimp, who is trying to lead a great Christian Nation like the United States. I wonder how many of the 53 percent of the people, beside Hflashmen ie, who voted for NObama would still admit it in public. I am of the 47 percent of the folks who did not vote for NObama, and I am proud of it. I did my home work before casting my vote, and NObama did not make the grade, so I put him in file 13. I really do hope that the biggest part of those 54 percent of the voters will wake up before they cast their next vote this November, and for the next presidential vote in 2012. You remember the judge who ordered NObgama’s Auntie to leave our country a few years back. Guess what, this same judge has now given her her asylum in this country. Do yuou really suppose NObama had anything to do with this???? Judge are supposed to be unbiased and should only follow the law, not allow politics to influence their decision. A lot of judges are wimps, just like NObama.

    • eddie47d

      It’s not that simple Caliber. The Taliban has been in the mountains of Pakistan well before the Russian invasion. They have been taking over this territory and gathering recruits before 9/11. These religious schools have been recruiting way before Obama became President. I know Obama and the Pakistani army have been bombing these mountain hideouts but that creates another problem. Think Vietnam and Nixons’ invasion and bombing of Cambodia. It solved little but unleashed the Kymer Rouge. They took advantage of Nixon’s invasion and launched their own take over. We know the results of that. We could end up destroying the weakened government of Pakistan and create more chaos. The Madrassas are now taking advantage of the turmoil and could win their “war” of ideas. Pakistan has always looked at India as the greater threat to their country. When it’s always been their own radical Madrassas they should have been concerned about. A very big miscalculation but every country who has an enemy (India in this case)uses it to drum up nationalism.

      • 45caliber

        The Taliban is a tribe. The al Qida is a terrorist group that recruits members. The Taliban lived in that area since time began – and the border means nothing to them since that area is all Taliban.

        They had basically been driven back and weren’t doing much until Oblama made his appology for whatever it was he gave it for. It was then that the Taliban gained renewed hope and started their push.

        the Al Qida are the ones who recruit – and they were in the area to recruit when Oblama came along. Now they are going gung ho about the whole thing and egging the Taliban on, I’m sure.

  • 45caliber

    I recently saw an article in which Oblamam had promised them over $700 billion to rebuild their country and modernize it. I don’t see that mention here in this article. Does anyone else remember it … or did I just not read it correctly? I remember thinking at the time that we couldn’t afford that much more money we don’t have going out.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      TO;45 caliber,yes hes going to rebuild the interstructure here to look like haiti,with foreign made parts from everywhere,but here.i guess we will live in outhouses built in bangladesh.what a kicker.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        correction;here in the U.S.A.

  • DogWithoutSlippers

    A sinister plan is afoot!

    • Angel Wannabe

      DWOS_Yes there definitely is a sinister plan!

  • http://gmail RIYAZ

    i think we should give time to Obama administration to work out all the possibilities for welfare of the country, He is a good person and his policies are also good for the country.

    • JC

      You’re right…let’s give him time…and rope.
      In fact why don’t we just send him back to Kenya where he can do some “real” good for people?

    • 45caliber

      He’s had two years to “work things out”. All I’ve seen him do is continue his campaign and take time for golf and vacations. Just how much time do you think we should give him???

      • HFlashman

        And in those two years, he has pulled off what anyone with objective viewing would state is nothing short of amazing. Despite being opposed by the GOP on every policy except those favoring the rich, Big Corporate America, and wealthy foreign interests …

        • JC

          Oh he’s amazing alright…an amazing tool for his handlers trying to bring down America. Send the phony back to Kenya!

          • s c

            JC, do you get the impression that progressives dance in and out of reality, see certain party-approved politicians as gods, nurture and maintain a childish vocabuary, confuse manure with prime rib and never hesitate to be outraged with anyone who refuses to become a parroting robot?
            Note HF’s use of the word objective. Do you think he could understand it if he could read well enough to scan a dictionary? He forgot to throw another tantrum about GB, but then that’s to be expected when Obummer can’t recruit people who aren’t smart enough to pour @#** out of a boot or come in out of the rain on their own.
            People like HF should move to Haiti. Then they could see just how truly “amazing” Obummer’s skills are. The funds that were promised to Haiti probably went to placate union flunkies or shore up depleted slush funds. HF sure knows what he’s mumbling about (that is, when he’s not hanging upside down in his cave).

          • JC

            Valid observations sc.
            I don’t know where HF heard of the word “objective” but he sure as hell has no idea what it means.

          • eddie47d

            SC; You should check out your own childish vocabulary. JC; You need to just come up with anything intelligent.

          • JC

            Come up with something intelligent eddie? Just for you? What would be the point of that?
            You’re a communist…you have no standing.

          • JC

            Come up with something intelligent eddie? Just for you? What would be the point of that?
            You’re a socialist…you have no standing.
            But that shouldn’t stop you from having a nice day goose stepping around in your mother’s basement. ;)

          • 45caliber

            s c:

            I personally suspect that the funds did go to Haiti – just not to the government or the victims there. It went to some socialist/communist group so they could buy some stuff from Cuba and take over that beaten down country. Frankly, I wouldn’t care for it if you gave it to me.

          • eddie47d

            JC; Are you sure you aren’t i41 with you’re nutty replies? He’s always bringing up somebodies mothers basement.

          • JC

            Nope! I was referring specifically to you, Nazi boy.

          • eddie47d

            You’re just another repeat game player,sore looser,bitter moron,slander monger,nasty mouthed,fascist wastebasket full of puke.You seem to like it when someone talks dirty to you so I assume it gives you a thrill. Why don’t you just tone down you’re garbage and try for a more civil dialog. Hopefully it will be an improvement.

        • alpha-lemming

          Amazing??? The 21% growth of Government is amazing I guess, but certainly not good.

        • 45caliber

          flash:

          What’s amazing about it? When you have both Houses in your pocket there isn’t any problem at all. The only problem he had was getting it past the citizens – and we don’t count. Besides, all that he DID do, now needs to be repealed as too costly and not something that will improve on what we already have.

        • Doug

          Wow I think I finally figured it out it not Flashman it’s fart man and boy you sure are smelling what you been cooking in you pants. Stop this rich poor bull shit. Yes there are people that got money handed to them but there are also many who workied their ass off to get it. The big bad corporations gee Fartman what do you do for a living? I bet you get your money from the govt. or are you a professor of solialist ideas or progressives idea. You and I hate to say this are one dumb person. I bet you tell anyone how to fix a valve problem in a toilet but can do it yourself am I right FARTMAN?

          • HFlashman

            You are so far off Dougie ..

            Folks like you want the wealthy to receive welfare and subsidies and live off the sweat of the majority of Americans…the GOP mantra since 1980 is to apply the welfare rules to the wealthy only …privatize profit, subsidize losses.

            I don’t begrudge wealth…not at all. I’m by no means what anyone would charactrize as “poor” or “middle income”. Want to now what i do for a living? Several areas…light manufacturing, ag/ranch, timber. And used to be fairly high up working for one of the major banks.

            Fact is..the wealthy don’t want to pay their fair share, they want to live off the enefits provided by Americans as a whole, and they want idiots like you to believe they’re getting a raw deal..when it’s just the opposite. Heck…you don’t even realize they aren’t even using Vaseline on you as you’re getting screwed.

            BTW…you are correct in one item…I am able to tell people how to fix a valve in a toilet..and yes, I do it myself if need be.

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

          Right, except for two things. One – If the Republicans had stayed home for two years, the outcome would be the same. And two – Americans are going to reject his policies at the polls. One and two add up to a monumental waste of time and money. That is what happens when the wrong person is hired for an important job.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Are you stinking nuts? Pulled off amazing? What, its amazing that he balooned unemployment? That he expanded food stamps and welfare? That he ok’d billions to be spend peforming abortions in third world countries? That he would take to the general running the war, not for 6 weeks at a time, then fire him for revealing the truth about this? That he has taken 10 steps backwards in Afghanistan and Iraq, when we were on the right track. That he has balooned unemployment from 4.5 percent to over 10 percent and rising? That is about to cost millions more their jobs when he cuts the tax cuts? Your a fricking mind case man. Get the facts. Read above, they are there.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      RIYIZ,his policies are good for what country? look around the good ship (LOLI-POP)is sinking and all that is left are the fools on board,that trusted the traitorous crew that scuttled the ship,P.S. and stuffed their pockets full and stole the life boats,and the sharks are closing in on this republic,its wake up time,smell the coffee,its poisioned kool-aid.as far as time,its run out.ask all the american people that are sick of these masters of the universe,bother my dead horse had more sense.

    • michelleo

      Did you mistake this site for Huff Post?????……….

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      that’s exactly what he wants – a country on welfare.

  • JC

    We have to stop “buying” our friends. Either these folks are pro-liberty or they are not. If the people of those nations have to be forced or paid to be pro – Liberty / pro – American….then we simply can not afford them. Let the chips fall. If they become our enemies, so be it, but let’s not waste another American dime or life until that time.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. All it does when you pay enemies to be friends is increase the likelyhood that they will want more money next year.

      • JC

        Of course they want moe money next year, they always will. Ever wonder why Egypt is so neutral, friendly and pro-American?
        That would be because ever since the Camp David Accord, we have been giving them payments equal to what we give Israel every year.
        After all, fair is fair right?
        Imagine if the American taxpayer wasn’t carrying the weight of the third world…just so they can shoot at us…

  • http://AOL Linda Maddox

    We have a President that we are not sure what side he is on! Is he a follower of Islam? Was he raised as a Muslim?

    Look at the restrictions our military have in Afganistan? Who is he protecting, our military or the Muslims?

    He is bringing 350,000 Muslims into our country. We have to be providing them with food, clothes, houses! These are people that hate us. If this President cared about us, why would he do this?

    In my whole life I have never been afraid for my family as I am now. We have a government that we don’t trust. We have a govt. run by people who believe in putting birth control in our water. A govt. that prevents our farmers from having the water they need to grow our crops. It goes on and on. We live in very scary times!

    • eddie47d

      Every war we have been in we have created refugees and have brought them to America. That is hardly Just a Muslim thing.

      • 45caliber

        Yeah, but now we are getting them from all the other places in the world as well right now. We havn’t – to my knowledge – engaged in war with Iran, Africa (particularly Nigeria), Mexico, Central America or China. And that seems to be where most are coming from.

        • eddie47d

          We stirred up the Central American wars 30 years and they still keep coming. Little has changed down there either.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Oh contrare. A lot has changed in Central America. Christianity is growing and things are settling down quite a bit from what they used to be. Mexico to the North is a problem though.

  • Pissed

    Just spray the world with PIG fat ! Or at least dip the ammo on bacon grease, a simple wound will cancel the trip to “paradise”

    • 45caliber

      They won’t allow us to ship bacon to the Middle East for our troops. They would likely do just what you mentioned.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Isnt that amazing though. And then we bow down and our very leaders preach to us to have tolerance for them and their ways, yet no where in the muslim world could I freely walk down the street, reading my Bible, and preach to people about Jesus. Oh no, they would have no tolerance for that. Yet we take them prisoner, and we prepare meals for them with the food they like and are supposed to eat, and our guys cant have bacon or sausage. Isnt that special. Tolerance should be a two way street, and since they wont play fair, dont play with them at all.

  • http://www.silverliningministry.com Ron D Henderson

    No, No, my friends. Obama has not been negligent towards Pakistan. This is his strategy to assist Islam to have an devastating impact on the West. Let the wild boys occupy Pakistan and use the nukes on the west, especially the USA. Just watch him carefully as he tries maneuvers Islam to the top. Sadly for him and fortunately for us it will not happen ole boy!

  • American Citizen

    Yes, in his early formative years, Obama was raised as a Muslim. He says he’s a Christian, but his actions say he’s Muslim thinking.

    Oh, by the way, is there any such thing as an honest Democrat campaign? All I see is Democrats playing the blame game and telling outright lies about their opponents. They don’t dare run on their records.

    • eddie47d

      I wouldn’t be so proud to be a Republican right now either. They want credit for being obstructionists and have really twisted the facts.

      • 45caliber

        Neither side is blameless – and many of the RINOs need to be kicked out too. For some reason they don’t like that idea any more than the Dimocraps do.

      • American Citizen

        At least the Tea Party is endorsing candidates who are not Washington insiders. I wish we had a better choice here in Indiana between Dan Coats and Dan Ellsworth. Coats is recycled and Ellsworth an Obama supporter. I think there may be a Libertarian running also for whom we can vote. I’ll wait and see who is on the ballot come 11/2.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Being a democrat is like a fan. Stand in front of it and it blows. Stand behind it and it sucks. And stand beside it, and it doesnt do a damn thing for you. Yeah, its kind of like that. Thats why I left them back when Ronald Reagan came around, and theyve only gotten worse to this day, and they continue to circling the drain going down the tubes. I know JFK is rolling around in his grave seeing what theyve become.

  • http://violentreligion.blogspot.com violentreligion.blogspot.com

    You guys are not getting the point here.
    It is not question or debate on Obama. It is question of security of hundreds of thousands of soldiers from all the States and Europe in Afghanistan. Their lives are at stake.

    It is also a question of saving majority of 95% of Pakistanis who are innocent victims of a cleptomaniac, sexually pervert Muslim lobby that is seeding the terrorists.

    If the terror outfits or Pakistani military comes out of disguise and instead of fighting as Talebans and also as ally of Nato, you may all lose your jobs and the world will tremble.

    We are sitting on huge explosives and we will be paying the costs.
    Islam as a imperialistic movement run by White Arabs is a way to control One billion brown and Black Asians and now through Turkey they intend to control Europe.

    Within few months the situation will worsen and Europe / USA stand to lose a huge loss in all respects.

    • 45caliber

      Keep in mind that most Muslims are covering their bets. If we win they were on our side the whole time. And if the others win, well, they donated money to their cause.

    • American Citizen

      North Africa is now in play also. Muslims are everywhere trying to take over countries. There may be a need of a worldwide crusade to take back lands from the Muslims.

      • eddie47d

        North Africa was violently taken over after 670 AD and has been Muslim ever since. Today they are spreading into Central Africa and going into countries that were either native religions or Christians.

  • john

    Obama is currently readying his army as we speak..the ignorant college students who are indoctrinated with leftist liberal pap on campus.the uneducated welfare recipients, the boys in the hood who vote based simply on color,the young who vote based on looks and coolness,the acorn scum,prostitutes,anyone who actually listens to Al sharpton,the gays and man hating women feminist etc..he’s trying to rally his troops for the battle come November..let’s make sure we get out there in larger numbers..vote loudly and carry a bigger stick than his black panther cronies.

    • eddie47d

      LOL!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Whats so funny eddie? The guy actually listed the whole voter base that Obama has. And your with that group of losers. Man, wouldnt want to be you.

  • Barbara

    I am disturbed that National Guard troops have been sent out of country. They are supposed to defend US, not foreign countries. Bring them home NOW. So Obama’s planned takeover by UN forces can be stopped. Our military are all out of country because O knows they won’t fire on their own people. We need them home.

    • eddie47d

      The National Guard and Army Reserves were used in Vietnam also so did you object to that? The previous adminisration is the one who insisted on using the National Guard in the Middle East. Is that a conspiracy also?

      • 45caliber

        I never met any National Guard in Vietnam and I know of none there. Reservists, yes. NG – no. Further, the NG was considered a good way to avoid the draft and not get sent anywhere. A LOT of the boys of about my age joined it for that reason

        • eddie47d

          You are correct.

      • Granny Mae

        I didn’t know the Guard was used in Nam? However the previous administration used them in Afghanistan and in Iraq because your buddy Clinton got rid of most of the regular Army so he could save all that money and make it look like he gave us such a great gift of a monitary reserve ! So it was Clinton that really caused the use of the National Guard !

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Bush had to use them you idiot, do you not know why? Because your hero, Bill Clinton, cut the military in half and left it in dire straights. He did the same thing to our intelligence community, that is why 9-11 happened, because there wasnt enought intelligence to detect what they were doing. Thank Clinton for that pal. Of course, this information is only being provided to you in case you want to know the truth. But knowing your on the left, that is probably a foreign concept to you.

  • http://msn Margaret

    just fry the democrats all of em

  • Tierra Naomi Teneil

    Hellooooo everybody, it is Tierra again,……I have to say that this article is totally bogus (Sentences Removed: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling.)Doing the same thing over and over again (letting these people bleed us of our fortunes) has never worked. If you want to stop it sweetie, you have to go in their and vaporize their cockroach asses. We build all these wonderful weapons and then don’t use them,…what a shame. America needs Generals who have some balls and needs to educated it’s shameful ass on how to vote for Presidents who are 100% ass kicking Americans. People who claim they are independent(these are the jackasses who gave us Obama) voters are cowards and losers,…..they have no moral compass, no clue about responsibility, they are nothing but a bunch of fench sitters who are afraid to make decisions in life, therefor, they ultimetly make the wrong ones,…your seeing the results of their votes now. Time to wake up Dodo birds, your boiing and ready for the dinner table and don’t even know it,….

    XOXO, Tierra

    • eddie47d

      Time to stick you back in the oven for that was half baked!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You ate paint chips when you were young, didnt you?

    • 45caliber

      Good Post.

    • American Citizen

      This is one Independent who had Obama figured out the first time I heard him speak and did not vote for him. He scared the beejeebers out of me during his campaign. I only wish the young and blacks who voted for him were wiser.

    • Bob Wire

      Well Sir/Madam, Generals don’t run the country and it will be a dark day if they ever do.

      This notion of breaking out the big guns every time one is met with resistance is the “child” coming out and screaming to be address.

      It is educated , mature , grown people that run the world and not children.

      Now it’s true we have grown people that wish to act like children and world history offer us view in how they sometimes rise to prominence and at some point have to be address, as the world can no longer ignore their behavior and refused to tolerate them.

      Saddam Hussein and both his sons, Muammar Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi1, Adolf Hitler,Benito Mussolini all these men had the power to hand someone their head, and these few such men ultimately paid a grand price for their “Child Like” behavior.

      True power is knowing you can and “choose” not to. It is only then you are a man among men and worthy leadership position.

      From your posting, I don’t expect you to understand such thoughts or concepts.

      Leadership is no all about “expedience” of a heavy hand but offering sound direction and aspiration.

  • Tom

    How can you trust Obama when we have more natural gas in America today then we can us, but we are importing oil from the middle east (muslim country). If Obama really wants to help America he should put all the resorces needed to get us off middle east oil and stop the Taliban from using American dollars to kill American people. This to me is a no brainer. I guess Obama is a true muslim and not the Christian he wants us to believe he is. Shame on you Obama, sorry but I have a hard time calling you president.

    • eddie47d

      Natural gas is being drilled all over America and is being transported all over America as we speak. Check it out!

    • 45caliber

      Tom:

      The Chinese just bought a third of a big ng field in South Texas. Now they are looking for an oil company. They plan to ship the stuff to China. And I suspect that they will be the only company to get permission to drill here now.

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    Good morning: Reading the above gives me the distinct feeling that all of you are aware and fearful. That’s good. Now we have to unite and exercise a powerful weapon—our VOTE. The drift I get is that we vote for the individual not the party, and only after we have scrutinized that individual as to his/her experience,qualifications, ethics, and social philosophy which must be in line with our Constitution and way of life.And if they do not live up to our expectations (which will require a great deal of scrutiny on our part) we get them out pronto. How? By initiating a civil law suit against that representative based upon “failure of consideration, misrepresentation, fraud, etc.”

    This has never been done. But let’s do it. It’ll be a fight, but we can prevail if we just have the plan and “tenacity”.

    I don’t purport to have all the answers. It’s a very complex and troublesome matter. However, as to Iran and Pakistan, I suggest we give alot of support to that portion of the population that has already evidenced significant opposition to those governments. This must be done. Let’s use the energy of those people to accomplish a complete turn-around.

    Incidentally, we don’t need nukes to help our cause. There are plenty
    of conventional weapons (daisy-cutters for example)that can do the job.We survey the potential targets ( which I suspect we have already) and then hit ‘em.

    Iran is playing us like a fiddle. Their government insults and threatens us as well as our friend Israel.This cannot continue. A surgical strike against Iran’s sites of nuclear activity must be made, and soon. What are the potential consequences if we don’t?

    North Korea is another situation where diplomacy does not appear to be working. If there is a new power base there, let’s give it a chance, but a short one. Again, let’s focus upon giving lots of covert support to the civilian population that hopefully has a significant power base to make a change. There’s a message. All you have to do is look at their power displays. I admire the way they have trained their troops to march and parade.How do you feel after observing such a display?

    As far as Afhganistan is concerned, I sincerely feel that we should
    focus on intense air power. If properly planned, we can easily
    destroy enemy power and supply locations. We have complete air superiority and control. Let’s use it, dummy.I have no patience when
    it comes to using our troops inappropriately.

    All the best to you. Let’s stay united and focused with a plan.

    Draper Gregory

  • chuck b

    the biggest mistake was made when we invaded afghanistan. we should have bombed their cities into ruble and let it go. we can never win in that country or any other islamic state. these people are endowed to an ignorant religion, this is all they know and want to know. if their god is so great why do all these people live in such misery?
    we have a leader barry soetoro that is in that same category and we are allowing him and his cohorts to remake america in their image.
    there is nothing we can do to help change the politics of ignorance in those mid east countries and every american life lost there will be for naught.
    if in the future any terrorist bombs us or tries we should destroy their mother country by bombs not invasion. our country should stay strong militarily and keep our technology ahead of the rest of the world. barry has done his best to turn out country back to the stone age and the people around him are enriching themselves hoping to remain in power from now on.
    don’t buy the freedom of religion stuff, that is a conception doing us in, we are a christian nation and if we don’t stay strong in that regards we will turn into an ignorant muslim country living under sharia l;aw, then we will have the jews and muslims fighting for control of whats left.
    if the progressives remain in power after this election then we should consider other methods of taking the country back. we are on the verge of being out voted by what we call minorities, and lets face it these people didn’t come from a highly advanced society and are only interested in a piece of the free pie. show me one country they come from that has any kind of society above a 3rd world status.
    the died in the wool democrats will take the side of barry so we have a sizeable force to contend with, however, if my history reads right the people behind the american revolution were less than those opposed to it.

    • 45caliber

      I believe we should have bombed all enemies to rubble and then came home – after we warned the survivors that if they did it again we’d come back and REALLY get mean!!

      • Bob Wire

        yea, Hitler tried that with England if you will remember. ~ And many wanted Allied forces to bomb Europe into oblivion just to get the Germans out.

        But wiser cooler heads ( Churchill and Eisenhower) ruled it out, saving all Europe from total devastation and need for total build back.

        A checkmate can’t be achieved by air power and conventional weapons alone, it takes boots on the ground. The most deadliest weapon we possess is a US Infantryman armed with m16 rifles and a belly full of bad attitude, bad chow and a Dear John letter in his breast pocket.

        This is why military options and engagement “should be” noble in their intent, for the cost is too great to squander” such precious resources.

        • 45caliber

          Hitler failed in England due to bad aim and not enough weapons. We don’t have those problems.

          While I agree about the infantry, we didn’t really need to wipe out the Taliban in Afghanistan or Saddam in Iraq. We just needed to convince them that we meant business. And with most or all of their towns gone they would have listened, particularly since they couldn’t do anything to stop it. When they only understand force, it’s a waste of time to be nice.

          • Bob Wire

            I’m not so sure these fighters place that much value in “Towns” 45 ~

            But I agree ~ with the notion of applying pressure and not letting up.

            Hit em and hit them hard and refuse to break off the engagement. I would think that was possible even in the worst of terrain, even with the booby traps and entrapment hazards. There is something I’m just not understanding or taking into account it seems.

            The Gooks were hard to stay engaged with as well, they’d disappear on you. I always hated that.

            I got kicked off a forum once, for using that word “Gooks” it was a word we used back then, Not pretty perhaps, but few things were.

            John Wayne had his “Krouts” and we had our “Gooks” ~ political correctness; how to pick up a turd by the clean end.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Im thinking, say that if right out of the gate we turned Iraq or Iran into a sheet of glass, that these terrorists guys would have understood the language we were speaking, and the threat of doing it again would be forever present in their minds. However, they saw what Clinton did in response to all the things they blew up, and they see Obama backing away from the course that was set, and they find us to be weak. They are laughing at the ineptitude of this current admin, and they are emboldened by his lack of power, and his willingness to defend them and give them lawyers and to set them free. How are you going to defeat them, when the guy at the top defends them and protects them? How. Gimme a break. A sheet of glass would save lives in the long run, just as it did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As ugly as it was and would be, it would save lives in the long run, and the facts are there to prove it.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Don’t worry about the Demorats, they’re against violence unless it’s against an unborn infant.
      Ever hear of a FAB (fuel air bomb) ? They blow up in the atmosphere, over a target, into gasoline droplets. Once these droplets saturate the air over a target they ignite. called a poor man’s nuke. AWSOME!! just the right medicine for a taliban village.

      • Bob Wire

        That’s bull crap ! we love violence! LOL! Just looking for a reason.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They are only against violence when it suits them. Now they are all for it when the black panthers show up at voting booths with clubs intimidating people to vote a certain way or not vote at all. They are all for violence when they show up to disrupt any gatherings by those of the other side. They are not for violence when it comes to defending this country though. They like to give terrorists lawyers and imprison our military men and women. They love tolerance for those who are trying to kill us, and for the muslim ways. But they hate the talk of God or hearing the name Jesus. That guy is dangerous to them for some reason. Yes, they only hate violence when it suits their agenda. When its supporting their agenda, then they are all for it.

  • http://violentreligion.blogspot.com violentreligion.blogspot.com

    Save Humanity now before you and your family is the next victim of atrocious attacks on human beings
    A very important and educating site http://faithfreedom.org has lot of vital information for all Muslims who have some interest to really know their origins and the true nature of Islam before taking any decision. The times we are in will expose the realities of cruelty and violence of this faith to the world. Do not be left behind thinking that you are a pious and wonderful Muslim when what is happening on your behalf is atrocious and absolutely unacceptable.

    See this video and this wills shake your faith from bottom and will bring you out of doubt that what you are following is criminal and extremely dangerous to you and your family and all humanity. Save the humanity and your family from being slaughtered. Do something immediately and talk to your elected officials and reach to the governments where ever you can to ban and prohibit the proliferation of terror and fear. You can rest and close your eyes but at your own risk and what is to come may not be very good.

    WARNING!!!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!!
    Do not watch if you have a weak stomach!!!!

    This video shows a 12-year old Muslim boy learning how to take care of an enemy of Allah:
    http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2008

    • Meteorlady

      I recently got a video of a young girl being stoned for adultery when she was actually raped. It was sickening and it was in the middle or the town square for all to see. They started kicking, then stoning, then dropped cement blocks on her head three times. Nice people these Muslims.

      • HFlashman

        Yeah…terrible ain’t it. Glad the christians don’t have anything similar like showing up at a soldier’s funeral and saying he was killed because he was in the army of Satan …

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          There is a big difference between saying and doing. That church group is an attention seeking bunch of kooks and should get their asses kicked by a vet friendly bike gang. On the other hand Muslims are a multitude of homocidal maniacs that should be exterminated.

          • Granny Mae

            You Said It ! There are idiots everywhere even in some so called christian groups ! They are not christian.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          If you insist those people are Christians, flashy baby, your further in the darkness than we all presume. Christians dont do what these people do. Anyone can purport themselves to be anyone. The proof is in the things they do. When you do what these people you are talking about are doing, they are not Christians, no where even close to it. They are no more Christian than Charles Manson or Marilyn Manson. Anybody can say anything, but to live it and back up your words with what you do is what determines what you really are, and these heathens are far from being Christians.

  • Bob Wire

    I’m truly amazed John Mayer . Not only do you know what Obama has been doing but what he neglected to do while doing it!

    How do you do that? Are you included in,morning briefings or is it just telepathic? Maybe you should consider running of president with such “powers”.

    Maybe you should consider a trip to Pakistan and get them straighten out. I’d be happy to start a fund for your trip, knowing it money well spend.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      Kinda like how progressives “know” everything about Bush and Cheney’s meetings and motives, right?

      • Bob Wire

        Allow me to jump forward ~ or perhaps backward here.

        Invading Iraq had nothing what so ever to do with future mineral extraction? ~ That’s a question.

        43′s administration did what they wanted to do and made up reasons to justify it later. again and again and again.

        And, for the record ~ you are the one that brought it up and not I.

        Damn aluminum tubes!

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        The point is that conservatives have just as much right to impugn Obama’s motives as progressives do Bush and Cheney’s ad infinitum, but due to the parallel universe, it doesn’t seem to be obvious.

      • Bob Wire

        “October 13, 2010 by John Myers
        Pakistan Could Be Obama’s Biggest Blunder

        President Barack Obama has been so preoccupied with the November elections that he has shamefully neglected foreign policy. This is especially true with regard to Pakistan ”

        Let’s be reasonable Allan, such an opening statement set the stage for a crystal ball reading with the Gypsy Fortune Teller.

        just for fun ~ “could be” ~~ “neglect of foreign policy”~~ “preoccupation” ~ “with elections”

        That is one weak Opening statement ! even for bias commentary

        Far Too much is assume and suggested

        while offering conflicting Support?

        “Despite deficits that have mounted into the trillions of dollars, the Obama administration has been downright miserly towards Pakistan.”

        What that! ??? ~ we not spent enough money? but we’ve spent too much money? ~ on a Bush war no less!

        These Pakistanis are hurting?

        Well there a global community out there. ~Muslim’s wish to boost of their swelling numbers, allow then to answer such a humanitarian call, sent in the Teliban or Hamas. That’s seems to be their M.O..

        Why should we spent more money and then have you complain about spending money? ~~ Obama is trying to get us out of there and pushing back on combatants there to offer some relief and buy the time to exit. Much like our incursion into Cambodia in 69 that I myself took part in.

        We don’t want to buy Pakistan. I want us out! I want to buy mideast oil, not steal it. It’s too expensive to steal for the Average American, as only the wealthy will profit from the thief.

        It was a weak article and I calling it as I see it.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Not a Bush war. He was the only one with a pair that was tired of them punching us in the nose, and he has a pair and he did something about it. God bless him for that. He could have pulled a Clinton, and let them keep blowing things up again and again, and do nothing. He could have let Saddam keep ammassing weapons and become another Hitler and take over the middle east. Thank God we acted when we did before that happened. You may not like oil, but cut it all off, and were in deep weeds here. Of course, if it wasnt for the liberals, we would have drilled our own years ago. Bush even mandated we do it, but the democratic congress over ruled it. You see, congress says what is and what isnt, not the president. And the democrats all said go to war, so dont give me this “Bush’s war” stuff. They all voted for it, so put your revisionist history away. And now, the democrats are doing just as they did in Vietnam, they are expanding it to make them and their friends a bunch of money, with no known course and no plans to win, only plans to cut and run after they make their cash. Thats how it is, and you know it. Bush’s war? Get over yourself.

    • libertytrain

      Probably the same way you are convinced that all your utterances are the answer to all of us mere peons.

  • Rennie

    Look up “Teutonoberg Forest” and the loss of three Roman legions, that is what these supply routes into Pakistan remind me of, it is putting the fate of all our forces in Afghanistan in Pakistan’s hands. Yes, they could fight their way out to the Persian Gulf through nuclear Iran, or out through nuclear Pakistan to nuclear armed India. Everyone at the party has nukes, and with likely exception of India, a desire to use them. It is just a matter of time before a nuclear attack occurs in the USA or Europe, and it was foolish to eliminate our civil defense training shelters, meanwhile countries like Russia, which has never been shy about supporting the proliferation of nuclear technology among nations unfriendly to us, continues to prepare for nuclear war. Saber rattling from China’s military, which has pension funds invested in the USA, and a goal of world domination, is reason to realize that chaos and anarchy in the USA would benefit those who wish to see China taken down a notch or two, without entering into direct conflict with China. On top of that, I’d like to know why Obama was over in Pakistan c. 1982? Why has Joe Biden been so valuable to Iranian businessmen that they held fundraisers for him when he was in the senate? Are we talking incalculable ignorance and stupidity, or very clever silent complicity in allowing Iran to go nuclear and events in Pakistan to spiral out of control to the point nuclear weapons are being deployed by terrorists against us worldwide? The old saying is “Never assign to malevolence what ignorance can explain.” I’m not sure that is applicable to the current US foreign policy. I hope I’m wrong, because my view of the world has been different since I realized how close we came to WW3 on Nov. 8, 1983, and again Jan. 25, 1995. You are never too old to build a bombshelter, just a question of determination to survive, review the plans now, common sense, simple plans, build it into your cellar and use it for storage. Stocking up on canned goods and water is smart anyways to help beat inflation, and good practice at rotating stock, determining which is most appealing, etc. Just like fire insurance or a burgular alarm, pray you’ll never need it.

  • Wayne

    Have you folks heard that the United States has over a million M1 Gerand rifles and carbines in South Korean that was left over from the Korean War. Obama signed a decree not to allow those weapons to come back to the United States. Ny brother carried one of those weapons while he was fighting in North Korea. And to think some of the folks on here defends NObama when we know he is for gun control as well as Hillary Clinton. I personally do not want to live under Dictator NObama like a few of the folks on here wants to. You know who you are so I will stop here.

  • Leonard Bell

    When is everyone going to realize that this is what Obama wants. He’s a Muslim, he wants the Islamic Jihadists to take over Pakistan. He got to the Presidenty through a well planned stratigy by Islam or some other anti-American group. Every program he has put through by cheating, lying and bribing Congressmen & Senators was meant to dilute this capitalistic system. We who have served our country (me in the 1st Cav. 1952-1954) worked all our lives to advance ourselves, save for the future and our families are about to be raped of those savings. Why? Ask his aunt who has lived here for 7 years illegally, paid no rent, collected $700.00 dollars per month and medical care says she’s entitled to it. Why can’t Biden and the rest of the Obama behind kisses relize who their working for…a Muslim who is out to destroy thi country as we know it. A country where legal immigrants learn our lanqauge and contribute rather than insist on entitlements. I could go on and on but this should suffice. WAKE UP AMERICA WE HAVE A SUBVERSIVE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

  • Wayne

    This was taken from another forum stating that NObama banned the sale of thse M1 Gerand and carbine rifles from South Korea. He did this with a stroke of his pen, Congress was not involved. Does it make you wonder who is in charge of our govenment. Nobama, or Congress. Here is a snynopsis of the article:

    Dear fellow American,

    Did you know that Barack Obama has already banned nearly a million American made rifles?

    Nearly a million rifles.

    Banned by Barack Obama and his anti-gun cronies.

    In a bureaucratic block the Obama Administration secretly banned the re-importation of American made M-1 Garand and Carbine rifles being stored in South Korea.

    These rifles were used by the US military during the Korean War and left there after the war was over.

    With one stroke of his pen, Barack Obama bypassed the Constitution and single-handedly banned nearly a million American made rifles by executive fiat.

    In response, I instructed my staff to prepare a petition for you to sign to voice opposition Obama’s Historic Rifle Ban.

    • eddie47d

      M-1′s were a good weapon but why would we want to use them 57 years later? The M-16 or AR-15 would be more relevant.

      • Bob Wire

        they were nice little rifles, ~ for the time

        a little lite for today’s military.

        I’d say keep two thousand and melt the rest down.

      • Wayne

        I guess some of you folks have never heard of people collecting things. I would love to have an M1 Gerand rifle just for a keep sake. It is most likely one of the few things that are still around which was made in America, by Americans. To me that means a lot. Bob, you would appove of anything that NObama did, legally, or illegally. It make me sich to see that some folks can’t think for themselves. You keep going with NObama, and you’ll end up on the losing team. His popularity is getting lower and lower with a lot of folks, but you have not figured that out yet.

        • Bob Wire

          WELL,if you feel that way Wayne, I guess you just going to be sick a while.

          In all seriousness Wayne

          One million? ~ I would think there was, and still is, a good reason for these rifles being where they are since I have a better identification of them offered by gunner. ~ These are 500 yard infantry weapons and most suitable for use in that region still today.

          Great for close order drill as well.

          I know you’d love to own one and maybe you do, the 14 would be my choice for sport and defense.

          For a gun lover, I really do understand your feeling on the matter. I once felt that way.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Obviously you know little about weapons. The M1 Garand fires a .30 cal. 165 gr. bullet with accuracy; a real man killer. The M-16 fires a .22 cal 52 gr. bullet with some accuracy; a real man wounder unless multiple hits or a lucky shot. I’ve used both weapons on the range and in combat. I’ll take the M1, thank you.

        • Bob Wire

          okay, I was think about the jungle 30 cal carbine. ~MI Garland fires a today’s standard NATO round. ~ Okay. ~

          I’d keep 50 thousand and meltdown the rest then.

          It’s make them more valuable.

          Be a nice deer rifle.

          I like the M 14 myself, the rifle that replaced the M1

        • http://?? Joe H.

          gunner
          i think if you check you will find the 16 fires a 5.56 or .223 cal round! The 14 fires a 7.62 the same round as the M60 machine gun!

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Joe H: since I reload and shoot both calibers I know what I am talking about. The .223/5.56mm is a .22 cal bullet. diameter of which is normally .223 or .224. wt varies from 35 gr. to over 80 gr. for this caliber. The 7.62 mm is a .308 cal, refered to as a .30 cal. bullet wt varies but common military load is 165 gr. you are right about the M-60, I humped one in Nam (0331) grunt 67 to 68

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Its a collectors item. Some people in this country value history. People like you obviously dont, because you try to change it to suit the way you think it should read. The truth isnt with the left wing. They always try to rewrite history to read the way they think it should read, instead of the way it really was. Wankers.

  • Meteorlady

    All Obama is interested in is the limelight and traveling around and greeting his adoring public. He has spent millions of taxpayer dollars doing this and has done nothing for the country. He’s the perfect dupe for the New World Order people because he does not do anything to stop the Muslim takeover.

    • Bob Wire

      If history serves , it was 41 & 43 that sung wide America’s door and put out the “Welcome Mat” for the Muslim Community. ~ As we felt obligated to interfere in their “Regional Conflict” assisting in de-stabilizing their country and Putting an American Brand on their politics.

      • Vigilant

        History might serve, but your memory doesn’t. How convenient to forget the Balkans and the first modern “nation building” exercise by Bill Clinton. Not to mention the foray into Kosovo which violated all international protocols about invading a sovereign nation that posed no threat to any other sovereign nation.

        • Bob Wire

          No , I remember the US intervention to stop the genocide of these people.

          and I remember small amounts of immigration to the US. ~ but it pales in comparison in the length of time and the volume of people as we still see coming to our shore today.

          You offer us again, only gains of truth in bucket of manure. Is there no end to this attempt to validate one event with another while similar in action, greatly different is size?

          • Vigilant

            “No , I remember the US intervention to stop the genocide of these people.”

            Oh, the fact that Saddam Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of his own people means nothing to you? Is Kurdish culture inferior to Bosnian culture, so the murder of one is justified and the other isn’t?

            Your memories of Kosovo are indeed skewed. The Kosovars were systematically assassinating all Serbian officials in their province, to the point where 95% of the ethnic Serbs had been killed or driven out of Kosovo. When the Serb military entered Kosovo, Clinton got the pretext he needed to divert attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and the tail wagged the dog.

            NATO was dragged into Kosovo, kicking and screaming, in an act which violated all international protocols AND the NATO Charter. Greece was so incensed over it, and rightly so, that it strained the NATO alliance. All this for a province that to this day continues to smuggle arms and provide funding for Islamic extremist terrorism.

            And what is your take on Rwanda and Burundi? Clinton, to his everlasting shame, stood by and did nothing to stop mass killings that did indeed fit into the category of “genocide.”

            “and I remember small amounts of immigration to the US. ~ but it pales in comparison in the length of time and the volume of people as we still see coming to our shore today.”

            What is your point? Are you anti-immigration?

            “You offer us again, only gains [sic] of truth in bucket of manure. Is there no end to this attempt to validate one event with another [which,] while similar in action, [is] greatly different is size?”

            Not even worth an answer, except to say that you are in dire need of an English grammar refresher course.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            When and why are all these damn Somalies here?

          • Bob Wire

            V says; “Oh, the fact that Saddam Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of his own people means nothing to you? Is Kurdish culture inferior to Bosnian culture, so the murder of one is justified and the other isn’t?”

            It’s interesting you should bring this event up! As you wish to justify and compare this with Kosovo. What’s the difference in these two events? In the killing of the Kurds, the American administration did nothing! stood by and let it happen and only used it are a tool to justify the Iraq invasion, along with some aluminum tubes, where the citizens were to throw flower at advancing troops. Where as in Kosovo the US intervention was primarily air strikes to stop ethnic cleansing that was taking place and even the playing field, giving the people a fighting chance to defend themselves.

            But it’s good that you remember as much about it as you do.

            As far as my grammar lessons dipstick, this is a battle of ideas and I’d appreciate it if you’d staying on topic. (sic) Don’t get too lofty with me, as I do this for pleasure and can manage to budget more time in your direction as my workload lessen in other places. Your ideas and logic is full of holes I’d love to take you to task.

          • Vigilant

            “It’s interesting you should bring this event up! As you wish to justify and compare this with Kosovo. What’s the difference in these two events? In the killing of the Kurds, the American administration did nothing! stood by and let it happen and only used it are a tool to justify the Iraq invasion…”

            That’s a most interesting logic. In the same sentence you say we did nothing, and then you say that we did something. Only mental midgets could find that logically compelling.

            …”Where as (sic) in Kosovo the US intervention was primarily air strikes to stop ethnic cleansing that was taking place and even the playing field, giving the people a fighting chance to defend themselves.”

            “Ethnic cleansing” has a particular meaning that seems to elude your pea brain. “Ethnic cleansing” is precisely what the Kosovars were doing to the Serbs in that province. The Serbs were doing no such thing. It was the tactic of Clinton to have America and the world believe such.

            “But it’s good that you remember as much about it as you do.”

            You’re damned right about that! And at least we can agree on one thing.

            “As far as my grammar lessons dipstick, this is a battle of ideas and I’d appreciate it if you’d staying (sic) on topic. (sic) Don’t get too lofty with me, as I do this for pleasure and can manage to budget more time in your direction as my workload lessen (sic) in other places. Your ideas and logic is (sic) full of holes I’d love to take you to task.”

            First, you obviously have me confused with someone who gives a damn. Budget (and waste) your time however you feel. For my part, I’ll address your ravings if and when I choose to do so. Your schedule doesn’t drive mine.

            Secondly, vocabulary, grammar and spelling are keys to a person’s ability to think clearly. That being the case, you exhibit the usual muddled views of the left. When it comes to logic and facts, I’ll leave you in the dust every time.

            Yes, I’m sure you do this for pleasure, as your postings show you haven’t had a serious thought in a long time.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yo, Bob. Get the straw out of your nose and pay attention man. That stuff has done made you null and void. Get yourself admitted man, your struggling.

  • ONTIME

    It’s becoming far to evident that this inexperienced, uncredentialed clown is not the man for the job of POTUS. He lied his way in and now is waiting to collect on the damage he was put there for, he is a shill waiting to be paid by those who scammed the public and help put him in the drivers seat. His rule by exec decree will be his answer for what is coming in November, he can be stopped in his tracks.

    November is more than a election, it is the beginning, it is the move to set things straight and re-educate this country about what a valuble tool the founding fathers gave to us to show the world what freedom can do when good people can have it to work with. Let’s not disappoint them and let us not forget what it takes to maintain this tool.

    • Bob Wire

      November elections will be much like all others that’s came before, trade out some old lying A$$holes for some newer lying a$$holes.

      Trading in their old snake oil for the New Improve Snake Oil.

      These people you speak of as the “teachers”, are but disciples of Special Interest with new packaging, sadly, But it’s very important to believe in the produce you sell. Special Interest has spent a lot of money to promote this product that you offer us and you believe in.

      While is sounds good to hear, it doesn’t change the content, it’s still snake oil and the top 10% with laugh all the way to the bank.

      I’ve accepted it as the natural progression of wealth and won’t be celebrating any illusions of some victory while jockeying for position.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Your opening line may be correct sir, but personally, right now, Id jump today at the opportunity to get some new A$$hole in there and get rid of the current A$$holes that are present. No doubt about it.

  • chuck b

    meteorlady

    i disagree. barry is just stupid enough to think he really is ruling the world, his ranting and raving along the campaign trail is obvious he may lose some control. this country is in extreme danger of collapsing economically and you never know what a psycho might do under extreme pressure and i believew this guy could lose his faculty very easy, that is if he has any to lose.

  • Bob Wire

    As a Nation, We are in better shape across the board today then when he took office.

    That he “IS” the single most powerful man is the world today, I’ll have to agree. Is there anyone that wishes to contest the statement?

    It’s not obvious to me of any loss of personal control but quit the contrary. All Presidents ( with some exceptions) are humbled by the office and gain in personal power and wisdom. It’s the very nature of the position.

    AND BHO is anything but “stupid” Chuck and you know that. So why say it? Unless “stupid” means something to you the rest of us know nothing of.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Stupid is as stupid does and BO is stuck on stupid. just check his track record.

      • Bob Wire

        Okay? lay it out ~ since your robbing this train.

      • HFlashman

        I know…such a terrible track record. The month he took office we were losing 800,000 jobs per month. We have had job growth in the private sector four months running now, and government jobs decreasing during that same period. Brouught us back from the edge of economic depression. Saved the AMERICAN auto industry. Reined in the largest abuses of Wall Street. TARP II paid back. The Auto bailout will turn a profit. Lowered taxes for the Middle Class. A small business (true small business) relief package. Health care reform begun. Began revising our energy policy to get us off the foreign oil addiction and having the kowtow to the Middle East. Ended the war in Iraq. Took the fight to the Taliban and al Qaeda. Has begun the reform of the Ag subsidy program to Big Corporations. Brought the US back to a role of leadrship in the International Community. Undertaken the reform of FNMA and Freddie. Appointed a gov’t commission on th Gulf oil spill which did not whitewash the truth. (that alone is a welcome relief from GOP politics).

        I know…such a failure eh?

    • chuck b

      bob wire
      his very actions in office indicates his stupidity. he can’t talk intelligently without the teleprompter, he knows nothing of the bills he signs, the health care bill being the most obvious. his foreign policy in afghanistan and pakistan has gone astray. he has signed on to all the tarp and stimulus bills while he was in the senate and the presidency and i would bet he knew little of what effect those bills would create. he to me is nothing more than a dangerous puppet dangling on a string being operated by people who don’t have our best interest at heart. the ignorant mass bows at his feet, some because of his color some because of the socialist agenda he aspires.
      he has squandered our tax in detroit by taking over the auto industry (gm,chrysler) this was nothing but pay off to the support he got from the auto unions. i could go on all night, the guy is a fraud and a failure.

    • Vigilant

      BW,

      As a Nation, We are in better shape across the board today then [sic] when he took office.”

      The last victim of leftist ptogramming has at last taken leave of his senses. If you truly believe what you said, there is absolutely no amount of logic or any compendium of facts that can convince you otherwise.

      “True believers” are scary, scary people.

      • Bob Wire

        Vigilant, I left to believe you wish to “exclude” yourself from your own statement? For I feel certain that “you believe” ~ so why would you want to deny “others” the same?

        If you could only bring forward meaningful argument that offers sound support for your beliefs, you would find I’m most willing to listen.

        As is, ~ I’m left with going through buckets of manure finding only kernels of truth , most often germane to nothing of importance or great significance.

        It is you that “wishes to believe” Vigilant, you are under attack! and feel a strong need to respond.

        We are “all” under attack in some form Vigilant ~ I say to you “follow the money”

        • Vigilant

          “Vigilant, I left to believe you wish to “exclude” yourself from your own statement? For I feel certain that “you believe” ~ so why would you want to deny “others” the same?”

          First of all, you are implying that you ARE a true believer with that statement. Secondly, I wish to deny no one the right to be stupid; it’s incurable, but I suppose we should have pity on stupid people because they can’t help themselves. Thirdly, pick up a copy of Eric Hoffer’s “The True Believer” and you begin to understand what I mean when I use the term. I am not a true believer in any way, shape or form. I do research on both sides of questions before I make a statement.

          “If you could only bring forward meaningful argument that offers sound support for your beliefs, you would find I’m most willing to listen.”

          -You mean like a bonehead statement such as, “As a Nation, We are in better shape across the board today then when he took office,” and then leaving that laughable assertion hanging out there with no subsequent support? My, how the pot loves to call the kettle black….

          And I don’t believe any meaningful, fact-laden argument on my part would make any difference in your views. “Willing to listen?” Right, I’ve taken a number of positions on this site and have backed them up to the hilt, which is not something I can say of many. My pearls of wisdom are out there for you to read, but you seem to be more grounded in emotion than in logic or burden of proof.

          “As is, ~ I’m left with going through buckets of manure finding only kernels of truth , most often germane to nothing of importance or great significance.”

          I don’t make it a practice to go though buckets of manure, but “to each his own.”

          “It is you that “wishes [sic] to believe” Vigilant, you are under attack! and feel a strong need to respond.”

          Thank you for the armchair psychiatry; are you licensed?

          “We are “all” under attack in some form Vigilant ~ I say to you “follow the money”

          I have no idea what that last blathering statement means.

          • Bob Wire

            Well Vigilant, if you don’t believe in anything, why bother us with it?

            “Americans on the State of the Nation: Better, but Not Great
            Though up from January 2009, satisfaction with U.S. remains low
            by Lydia Saad

            PRINCETON, NJ — Americans’ opinions about the state of the nation have improved in several respects since President Barack Obama took office a year ago. Still, today’s ratings are on the order of less bad rather than positive. Twenty-three percent of Americans are now satisfied with the way things are going in the country, up from 13% in early January 2009. However, 76% remain dissatisfied — well above the average 57% dissatisfied since 1979.

            U.S. Satisfaction, January 2009-January 2010

            Consumer attitudes about the economy show a similar pattern. Americans’ confidence in the economy nearly collapsed during the Wall Street crisis in the fall of 2008, and has since rebounded some, but it remains profoundly negative.

            At the start of Obama’s term, Gallup’s Economic Confidence Index registered -52; today it is -28. But the high point for this indicator over the past two decades was +56 in January 2000.”

            Things still suck ! but they suck less! and neither the GOP or the Tea Party has done much to contribute to any improvement but been an anchor and chain to be dragged as they attempted to delay and stall any and all initiative of the current administration in some desperate hope of “POLITICAL” midterm gains while the needs of average Americans continues to worsen.

            The average “Joe” is not a day trader, or cares squat about the big board or NASTEC. Has little in common with people that are “retired” and bringing down 5 grand a month. They have little interest in pot ash or pork bellies. They are raising and educating children, trying to keep the bills paid, the little woman happy and the lawn mowed.

            If you wish to gamble, pay the board, engage in quick rich schemes or engage in junk bonds or hedge funds, seeking big returns without high risk, that’s your business. But that’s not what America or American’s is about but what it’s turned into as more older Americans have managed to live longer, accumulated some wealth, yet “can’t really put in a days work anymore” and choice to dabble in the game of chance to occupy their remaining years.

            Working people have little in common with such things, maybe a trip the Vegas or sports bets being the extent of their willingness to wager hard earned money.

          • Bob Wire

            Vigilant says; “First of all, you are implying that you ARE a true believer with that statement. Secondly, I wish to deny no one the right to be stupid; it’s incurable, but I suppose we should have pity on stupid people because they can’t help themselves. Thirdly, pick up a copy of Eric Hoffer’s “The True Believer”

            Believer of what! for Christ sakes?

            I believe that Vigilant read a book! and now has a “new box” to put people in that offers him resistance! and he’s trying to get me to read it no less! so I might be “smart” like him.

            “Hoffer argues that mass movements such as fascism and communism spread by promising a glorious future. To be successful, these mass movements need the adherents to be willing to sacrifice themselves and others for the future goals. To do so, mass movements need to glorify the past and devalue the present.” (like lets dig up Ronnie to save us?)

            and you don’t place the Tea Party inside this spectrum if they had their way? ~ No? Well, I will admit only that the tea party is mostly about ME, ME , ME ! NOW, NOW, NOW until they wish to argue Federal spending by a democratic administration,

            “The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements is a 1951 social psychology book by Eric Hoffer which discusses the psychological causes of fanaticism.

            Thesis and background

            The book evaluates and sometimes disparages communists, fascists, nationalists, and early Christians. Part of Hoffer’s thesis is that movements are interchangeable and that fanatics will often flip from one movement to another. Furthermore, Hoffer argues the motivations for mass movements are interchangeable: religious, nationalist and class-based movements tend to behave in the same way and use the same tactics, even when their stated goals or values are diametrically opposed.

            There have been 23 editions of The True Believer published between 1951 and 2002.” ( this only tells me it’s a thought provoking book but so was Ayn Rand’s “we the living” and she was a beautiful nut!)

            “Hoffer was a young man when his father, a cabinetmaker, died. The cabinetmaker’s union paid for the funeral and gave Hoffer a little over three hundred dollars. Sensing that warm Los Angeles was the best place for a poor man, Hoffer took a bus there in 1920. He spent the next 10 years on Los Angeles’ skid row, reading, occasionally writing, and working odd jobs. On one such job, selling oranges door-to-door, he discovered he was a natural salesman and could easily make good money. Uncomfortable with this discovery, he quit after one day. (no appreciation for easy money)

            In 1931, he attempted suicide by drinking a solution of oxalic acid, but the attempt failed as he could not bring himself to swallow the poison.[8] The experience gave him a new determination to live adventurously. It was then he left skid row and became a migrant worker. Following the harvests along the length of California, he collected library cards for each town near the fields where he worked and, living by preference, “between the books and the brothels.” A seminal event for Hoffer occurred in the mountains where he had gone in search of gold. Snowed in for the winter, he read the Essays by Michel de Montaigne. Montaigne’s book impressed Hoffer deeply, and he often made reference to its importance for him. He also developed a great respect for America’s underclass, which, he declared, was “lumpy with talent.”

            I like the guy already, ~ jack of all trades and master of none, ~ a pitch man that knows how to connect with people.

            So you think I’m a fanatic hmm? ~ Well, it sounds like a worthy read for sure Vigilant but I think you need to quit trying to put everyone in a GD box that you have so conveniently labeled for your own personal understanding.

          • Vigilant

            “I believe that Vigilant read a book! and now has a “new box” to put people in that offers him resistance! and he’s trying to get me to read it no less! so I might be “smart” like him.”

            I read the book over 30 years ago. But, as you say, I have a good memory for “these things.” I doubt you could be as smart as I, but you could stand some improvement.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Your opening lines prove that you are some kind of idiot Bob. Are you fricking serious man? Better shape now than when he came in? Unemployement has rise from 4.5 to over 10 percent, and it is about to jump a few more points when he cancels the Bush tax breaks, as a few million are going to lose their jobs when millions of small business’s are taxed more. Those terrorist nations are now laughing at us, instead of clamoring for shelter as Bush had them on the run. They are emboldened and strengthen by this man and his thugs protecting them with lawyers and appeasing them with tolerance talks. He has set terrorists free, who have killed us again and gotten caught again, and the dummies will probably release them again to try to kill more of us. He has expanded welfare and food stamps and WIC and unemployement, thus creating the need for more tax dollars to take from the working and give to the lazy ass bums that wont work. He has punished success by taxing them more, and reward failure, ie GM and Chrysler and the banks with billions of dollars of illegal payouts. He has taken our tax dollars and is using them to perform abortions in third world countries. He has refused to acknowledge God, and has raised an alliance to Islam, and publicy stated we are not a Christian nation. This man is the worst thing to happen to this country since the advent of Bill Clinton. Only difference is, is Bill Clinton defile this country to the American people. Barack Obama has defiled us to the terrorist nations that are sworn to kill us. How you can say that is beyond me, other than to show your complete stupidity and complete lack of acknowledgement of what is going on in todays world concerning our country. You sir, are as Whitney Houston says, “You are whack”. I dont know any other way to put it, but you are out of touch with reality. Better off, no sir, no way, no how. Your plumb crazy.

  • http://violentreligion.blogspot.com violentreligion.blogspot.com

    Thank you personalliherty.com and John Myers for raising a point usually ignored by mainstream media.

    I want to call attention of the good and noble people reading this article and comments. Know that the time is scarce. A large number of American and NATO people are stationed in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    I am an EX Muslim and have known the secrets of Islamic strategy. Paksitani military is not really interested to help the US or Obama. It is all a blatant lie. It is all a cover up. The real core cause of terrorism is Pakistan and its military leadership that is using its own people, power and resources including all incoming aide funds for private causes and those causes are first to live a good life, second to finance and create all sort of terror outfits to outsmart the world, to conquer and control Afghanistan. WHY DOES PAKISTAN want to control Afghanistan? For their masters in Beijing China.
    Pakistani leadership stole 99% of aid money in billions of dollars sent for natural catastrophes and used that money to funnel to terrorists that include hundreds of so called charity and religious networks that are front of the dirty work of terrorism. In reality the TALEBAN are ONLY ONE force. Media is misleading the world by saying afghani taleban and pakistani taleban. It is not so.
    Talebans are organized, trained and guided by ISI and Pakistani leadership for every single attack on NATO and USA.
    This plain and simple fact is enough to doubt intents of Pakistan.

    If something is done with urgency, Pakistani nukes are about to reach outside Pakistan into Middle East and expect some real blackmail on major scale and then potential usage of nukes.

    Please publish and circulate this page and other sites so that more people can read the story.

  • HFlashman

    Chuckie has stated what he says are the failures of pres. obama. Whilst there have been indeed some setbacks, let’s examine Chuckie contentions one by one shall we?

    1. his very actions in office indicates his stupidity. he can’t talk intelligently without the teleprompter [ In the town hall meetings he carries them off better than a speech. Knows the facts and carries the arguement. He graduated from Harvard and was the Editor of the Law Review. Kicked Hillary and McCain's butts in open debate. Shall we go on about this lie concerning 'stupidity" ?

    2. he knows nothing of the bills he signs, the health care bill being the most obvious. [You know this for a fact? Seems he knows it better than most, if not anyone who has taken it up for discussion. He appears to know enough to implement the laws of the land. But then...you're smokin' wacky tobacky with this overall lying generalization]

    3. his foreign policy in afghanistan and pakistan has gone astray. [Oh really? Care to enunciate what the foreign policy was that current policy has strayed from? Taking the fight to alQaeda and bin Laden? Georgie didn't do that. The article 'facts" Myers in today's article tried to foist upon the slow mentals of the world? Don't make me laugh. You tried this one because it was the article of the day...ad you couldn't think of anything else as far as foreign policy. Heck..you couldn't enunciate what the policy is fer chrissakes]

    4. he has signed on to all the tarp and stimulus bills while he was in the senate and the presidency and i would bet he knew little of what effect those bills would create. [What are thee 'side effects" ? TARP I we lost our shirts because Shrub and paulsen lied to us and did not tie any payback to the monies they handed out to Wall Street. Obama cannot be held responsible for that rape. TARP II and the Stimulus? TARP II we are paid back in full. The Stimulus is working... we have gained prvate sector jobs four months running, and CUT gov't jobs those four months as well. As compared to 800,000 jobs lost the month he took office and 600,000 the month the Stimulus went into effect. So what 'side effects" are you speaking of?]

    5. he to me is nothing more than a dangerous puppet dangling on a string being operated by people who don’t have our best interest at heart. the ignorant mass bows at his feet, some because of his color some because of the socialist agenda he aspires. [and your source for these ...statements?]

    6. he has squandered our tax in detroit by taking over the auto industry (gm,chrysler) this was nothing but pay off to the support he got from the auto unions. [Hmmm...saved were hundrds of thousands of jobs. An AMERICAN auto industry. Our heartland (Midwest) economy. And we'll make money off the deal once the SEC approves the stock buybacks currently planned and announced. So what ws squandred? Your lust for the destruction of our Nation? ]

    7. i could go on all night, the guy is a fraud and a failure. [well...seeing as you haven't come up with anything yet...please try some more 'cause it will be a long night before you show anything but low intelligence]

    • http://?? Joe H.

      hey flush,
      I’m still not sure those jobs needed saving!! Ford was in bad shape as well and refused the money. they are today in better shape than either Chrysler or Chevrolet!!!!! FACT!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Its all his fault flash baby. He is unqualified, and has been since the beginning when he bought the election by buying millions of dollars of ad’s, appearing on peoples brain suckers in their living rooms chanting “change, change, change”. Well flashy, America has woken up, and they realize they were bamboozled, and many have learned their lesson about pulling voting machine levers without being educated as to who they are voting for. Had they done it this time, this loser wouldnt be in there stinking up the joint now.

  • Bob Wire

    hmm? Flash Man, you beat me to it.

    Yea Chucky, I think the teleprompter thing might have got some mileage early on , but it’s been dis-proven again and again.

    as for not knowing what his signing, that to, fails to hold water. AS I known of him throwing the GOP a bone and willing to dig deeper into the Legislation to offer them something on the front end of the deal that they thought was hidden. Only someone with a grasp of the Bill before them could do that.

    But it’s okay that we don’t agree ~ I just wish you’d quit attacking the president with these banal “Talking points” and make me feel the need to defend him, as I know he’s not perfect but he’s not guilt of what you are calling him out on.

    I too, wish you attacks had merit and substance to them. I’ve wish he had just kept quite on a few issues, I really do ! But I also accept that he’s every American’s president and not just mine.

    I don’t like this Pakistan and drone thing one bit ~They can finish their R&D down in Arizona or in other more self -serving areas.

    We need out of there! It’s a total waste of resources we could use in other places.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      No sir. He is not my president. I did not vote for him. I do not support his anti Christian and pro muslim ways. I do not support his giving terrorists lawyers and imprisoning our fighting men. I do not support his preaching to have tolerance for them, while they have no tolerance for my Bible or my Jesus. When he went around the world digging a hole and not only throwing the United States in it, he was helping the enemy shovel dirt back on top of us. That did it for me right there. In 2012, America will show just how impressed they are with him. Sit back and enjoy, its going to be the biggest loss in the history of elections. Of course, I may be wrong, seeing that the democrats may not even let him run, replacing him with Hillary or someone else, as they know he is toast also.

  • http://none Mike

    Hmm really intresting how far and wide this disscussion went from the article. It seems to me we brought alot of this on ourselves with just one bad set of policies after another dealing with the middle east. Bush I have to admit may have had bad intel to go on but he had the right idea of establishing a government there for the people there to escape the dark ages. The only way to defeat ignorance is through education. These people we all down have never known what we have here they are ruled by people who would keep them in tents and herding sheep. In the mean time the leaders in the middle east sit in their palaces collecting money for their oil and we still wont drill here?
    I hear the argument that we should just bomb them out of existance. I think there was another man that once touted that kind of hate his name was Hitler(2million Jews anyone) If we were to take that route how would we be any better? That the problems are many and complex is not in question. I belive if we just worked on getting our own oil and natural gas from here alot of the funding these people use against us would dry up and go away. But in the meantime we must deal with the hand we are delt here. I belive that these folks that run hate out as a religion in the middle east must be delt with where ever we find them. If that be in a cave in Afganistan or a palace in Saudia Arabia so be it. But untill the time that we can break the bonds of ignorance that these people have been kept in for CENTURIES. These problems will not go away. So lets try to send a message to these people over there with our votes here. Lets put intelagent people in office here who might have a clue as to how to start solving these problems. No exacerpating them through complancency or bumbling inepetness. I think if given a choice in Pakistan the people who are educated there and not on the take from any side that would give them money Could solve the problem for us. But we must seek out thoes people and support them through strengthing our intelegence services there and through strong and unalterable forigen policies that where we must use force we will. There fore is another arguement lets not hamstring our military in these places and give them the support they need. PC wars are never won they tend to linger and become quagmires that do nothing for the people they are being fought for or for thoes that are fighting it. Use any force nessasary to win it not toy around with it for politicle purpouses(Which yes we can blame weak republicans as well as democrats for) Mike

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I agree with you and Bush.

  • chuck b

    dimlitflash-wire

    please show me where he has held any kind of conversation without the teleprompter that he could answer most questions without repeating he would have to take another look. if you watched him at a townhall, you were probably wetting your pants and didn’t remember what he said.

    the health care bill was pushed thru the senate by the controversial reconcilliation bill.
    he was interviewed on fox news and couldn’t answer the questions on the healthcare bill “relating he didn’t have time to read it” hardly anyone in the congress or senate read the bill. he was an embarrassment in the interview since he knew hardly any facts. and i’ll bet you right up to this day he still doesn’t know along with most of the democrats what that bill contains.

    i don’t have to prove any source to the agenda this clown is pushing, most intelligent people can see what he is doing that’s why his ratings are in the tank

    you two liberals better look up the rules of engagement your moon man has applied to the war in afghanistan and pakistan. the only thing he’s doing is getting our troops killed under these circumstances and giving the ragheads the advantage of ambush. the drone attacks are selected targets and are accomplishing very little other than knocking off a terrorist occasionally.

    you say we saved hundreds of thousands of jobs by taking over the auto ind. (chry-gm), you mean we saved the unions ass and now they want to pay us back with stock! what a laugh, as joe h said, ford refused the money and they are more solvent than either chrysler or gm. so don’t give me that baloney!! they are headed for the tank just like your moon man.
    you talk about low intelligence, who did you vote for? barry soetoro, well i guess that says it all.

    • Bob Wire

      Well Chucky, I enjoy lively debate but I assure you , I’m not a liberal anymore then I’m a Catholic for going to Easter Mass with a friend.

      The other day, I was attempting to get a deep sea fishing trip up and was inviting a few special friends, one told me “That he didn’t get on boats with white men”, for a second I was somewhat confused by such a reply and then it hit me, that he was cracking a funny and I’d forgot that he was black. ~ That is the way I am and that’s the way he is. It’s no more complicated then that.

      I’m left to accept things as i find them to be, McCain was found unworthy and we now have Obama and his doing a pretty good job in spite of the fact he’s stupid, dumb as a box of rocks and wants to give everyone’s money to someone that doesn’t deserve it, Wants to take your guns away and create a new world community with NATO and Muslims in charge of things. That he was born in God Knows where to a overly adventurous white woman from Kansas and placed in a basket and set adrift only to end up in Honolulu. When growing up and becoming aware of his color difference and asking his mother why, he was told to just shut up! From what she remembers about the party he’s luck not to bark.

      With all that baggage going against him, he’s doing rather well, I would say.

      Offer us a more Conservative candidate that can withstand this same scrutiny fueled by the money from special interest and I will gladly consider them for the job.

      • chuck b

        bob wire

        i agree with you on accepting friends regardless of race and i am not what some would think a racist, however, i judge people by their actions not by their color. most with the liberal persuasion, in my estimation, cater to people of color and patronize them. this is not my idea of good racial relations. when i look at barry, i don’t look at him as being black, although i can’t help but see him as being black since he is. what i see is a man that has hoodwinked a large segment of our population, he doesn’t have the patriotic view of the country i do. he hides his background and refuses to disclose the information that would quell a lot of the speculation. he doesn’t seem to have a good business sense and has surrounded himself with people i consider detrimental to the welfare of our nation of course i would categorize a lot of the democrats in that summary. people have a tendency to back the candidate of their party regardless of their shortcomings. we have a man running for governor of calif. “moonbeam brown” we have a democratic legislature that has destroyed the state and have for years and they don’t seem to understand what the problem is. brown was governor once before and people have short memories, he left this state in a mess and we still have repercussion’s from his politics, yet they don’t seem to remember. now the state has reached the pinnacle of failure due to these democrats and the people of calif. are ready to vote him in again. they don’;t understand why the last democratic governor was recalled. until people quit voting the party line and expecting something for nothing we will continue down the path to a 3rd world status. i think we have allowed too many 3rd world people to emigrate here and most illegally that are changing our politics by voting, they do not understand what this country is, just the freebie’s they will receive.
        that’s why we have such as barry sitting in the white house.

        • Bob Wire

          No Chucky, McCain lost the election as he and his party was , have been and still is “disconnected” from the average American.

          And he showed us this and proved this, some many times, in so many ways it became plain silly.

          This is why Obama is your President. It was his to lose and he did!

          McCain like some many of our senior politician have became isolated, a member of the elite and privileged of capital hill.

          The American people are tied of it. It was only before the last 4 days of his campaign when all was lost, and Karl Rove sat down, before McCain really got on message and started behaving like a skilled politician.

          Karl Rove is a curse ! as was his teacher Lee Atwater.

          Chucky, you can’t plant corn and grow cotton.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        What baggage are you possible talking about? That he was sent to college and had it paid for? I never had that afforded to me. That he as a young man went from the states to Africa and back. Id have killed to be able to be priveleged enough to do that when I was young, but I wasnt. That at every turn, someone was there to help him and fund him. And even now, life is give to him for free. He doesnt pay for his meals, his travel, his “White House”. Its all free. And Im supposed to feel sorry for him like he has baggage to carry? Excuse me. The dude has had the life of Reilly compared to most of us. And I dont have any baggage that I need people to feel sorry about for me. Im a man, and through the Grace of God I can think and carry one and maintain a job and fend for my family, and life is good. And you want me to feel like he is carrying a burden? Give me a break. Its so easy to play the victim pal. I for one refuse to do that, and shame on any that do. There is nothing that with God’s power that we cannot overcome. So stop making exuses for the guy, because there is no excuse for someone being the president of the United States, and not REPRESENTING THE UNITED STATES. He places dirt on us, and empowers our enemies. And he needs to be removed from office, and the voting public will make sure of that in 2012. Count on it.

  • Angela3775

    With all this countries problems (The U.S.) how can anyone garantee that nothing will happen that is disasterous to this country worse than 9/11. Obama as a leader cant even sucure are own territorial borders let alone helping another country to secure theirs. This country is broke and lets face it people, everything costs today even our God given right to drink water. This country has been fortunate enough to not have as many disasters as other countries have but, time might be running out under the government of today. People really needs to do their homework on what to do in disasters, and the different types of bombs that exist. I am not knocking anyone but people really needs to stand togather before a disaster instead of always after one happens. Since the root of all evil (money) has taken over lives and the quality of life has been more complicated, and continues to decline.

    • Mike In MI

      Angela3775 -
      You’re the kind of religious idiot that drives me up a wall. BECAUSE YOU CAN’T OR DON’T READ OR UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ YOU MAKE GOD LOOK AS STUPID AS YOURSELF. NO EXCUSE! IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON GOD’S BEHALF, DO IT RIGHT.

      Go back to I Timothy 6:10 and read it gain – over and over and over – until you figure out what you wrote to turn God’s Word to used toilet paper. God never said and never meant, “money is the root of all evil”. That stupid saying has turned legions of people against God and against some of His best believers – certainly against profit.
      It has turned people against others who have successfully applied Godly principles to achieve Jesus’ promise in John 10:10 for themselves.

      It’s “the LOVE of money is the root of all evil”. The word LOVE (AGAPE’ in the Greek manuscripts) conveys the meaning that you respect and depend on money to provide your needs and desires above your respect and dependence on God. “…Money is the root of all evil” is a loser’s concept. It is the desire of devils and democrats that this damnable teaching be promoted.

      Money is not the root of anything

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are correct. It is the love of money as you say. Man cannot serve God and money. Pretty much, people either place their faith in God or in money, and they follow the one they choose. Not that its bad to have money, its not at all. Its just hard for those that accumulate a lot of wealth, to not get distracted and taken over by it. That is why it is written that “It is easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to inherit the kingdom of Heaven”. It doesnt say impossible, or that it cant be done. It says its hard to do, because face it, most people are corrupted by money. Why does one thing politics are dirty the way they are? Whenever and wherever you have large amounts of money, and the American government pretty much has one of the largest piles of it, there is greed and corruption and people perverted by its influence. They get that want of money so bad it consumes them. Thus, the evilness in the want of money, not the money itself.

  • http://none mark

    Or, Pakistan’s Government can just cut a deal with the terrorists and give them 5 nuclear weapons for status quo politics at home [at least for a while]… the advantage to both sides is, when they detonate the 5 nukes : 3 in America and 2 in Israel = the terrorists can openly claim responsibility BUT there is no one country – place – people for Israel or America to attack.

    Regardless of whether the Nukes come from a recognizable alien entity, the current American government will, of course, attack the American citizens through Martial Law as the means of establishing a uniform collectivist police state…
    what Israel will do is any bodies guess… Israel, in such a situation, might chose the 23 most major Moslem religious sites and Nuke them until they glow in the day and in the dark for 1,600 years; as well, they could blow-up the Dome of the Rock and scatter its rubble across the 23 original Moslem target zones… sort of rubbing the salt of the rock in the wounds.

  • http://violentreligion.blogspot.com violentreligion.blogspot.com

    Thank you personaliberty.com and John Myers for raising a point usually ignored by mainstream media.

    I want to call attention of the good and noble people reading this article and comments. Know that the time is scarce. A large number of American and NATO people are stationed in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    I am an EX Muslim and have known the secrets of Islamic strategy. Paksitani military is not really interested to help the US or Obama. It is all a blatant lie. It is all a cover up. The real core cause of terrorism is Pakistan and its military leadership that is using its own people, power and resources including all incoming aide funds for private causes and those causes are first to live a good life, second to finance and create all sort of terror outfits to outsmart the world, to conquer and control Afghanistan. WHY DOES PAKISTAN want to control Afghanistan? For their masters in Beijing China.
    Pakistani leadership stole 99% of aid money in billions of dollars sent for natural catastrophes and used that money to funnel to terrorists that include hundreds of so called charity and religious networks that are front of the dirty work of terrorism. In reality the TALEBAN are ONLY ONE force. Media is misleading the world by saying afghani taleban and pakistani taleban. It is not so.
    Talebans are organized, trained and guided by ISI and Pakistani leadership for every single attack on NATO and USA.
    This plain and simple fact is enough to doubt intents of Pakistan.

    If something is done with urgency, Pakistani nukes are about to reach outside Pakistan into Middle East and expect some real blackmail on major scale and then potential usage of nukes.

    Please publish and circulate this page and other sites so that more people can read the story.

    See these sites that has thousands of links and information
    violentreligion.blogspot com

    faithfreedom org

    • Mike In MI

      Thanks and congratulations violentreligion.blogspot.com (PHEW) – I got it all in.

      Isn’t that why Oblama-lama-ding-dong does anything? Direct funds to one place so they will prosper, enrich and profit wartime enemies of the United States of America in a different place? I think the Constitution calls it “aid and comfort the enemies” of this nation in a time of war. What? You think he didn’t know his muslim Brotherhood of Human Sacrifice would get it?
      Ph’shaw. Who knew/ You knew.

  • jopa

    HFlashman;You have it exactly right.I could not have said it better.

  • chuck b

    jopa

    ignorance loves company

  • Mike In MI

    tea-no-o-o -BAyh-yh-yh-yee-ee-ee.

    • Mike In MI

      WHA’ th’…Tino??? Where’d Tino’s swan song go? What ever – Tino’s gone. One more time – Tino’s gone. (After a year Tino decided we are not to be appreciated – Tino’s gone.)

  • jerry b b

    Let me throw a little sand in your transmission or eyes. I belive it is written in the bible that there will be wars and rumors of war for ever. I belive that is correct because to many people are jealous of what their neighbor has or what they think they have and will try to aquire it any way they can.When you steal from most people you run the chance of losing your life and ithink rightly so.Humans are animals whether you wont to belive it or not and like animals they are fighting about something or over something.Some people don’t belive in people that are called seers,i do, Try a search on edgar casey and read some what he has to say about the past and the present, you might want to find a book that will tell about who and what he was. He said that this world has been up and down several tmes and if these damn muslcle headed camel jockeys don’t compleyly destroy the planet when they start their circus maybe it will come back again. Let me throw in another grain of sand. I read several articles when i was a teenagerabout the planet mars. Some scienest and astrolgist were pretty sure that one of its moons was artifical. I don’t remember the web site but they are all most certain that it is. there is supposed to be around 100 scienest studying it and they say it may be an early space station. If it is there had to be advanced inteligenent life there. They can’t find any kind of life there now so what in the hell did they do to the planet.armogeden maybe. I also read an article that was written by one of the scienist that was sent to japan to study the effects of the bombs droped over there. He said that it struck him that he had seen this same thing before. When he remembered where it was he went there with his instruments he could still get a reading, His conclusion was that there had been some kind of atomic explosion there in the past.No one living there had any knowledge of if so it had to have happened many years ago.I also saw a picture of an atomic reactor in a paper published in the 1940s so i guess the old saw about history repeating its self is true it was supposed to have been built in the 1400s.Plato wrote a good bit about the city of atlantis and he said they were advanced had about all of the things that we have now. Edgar casey said they had the abilty to fly their air craft with a huge central power supply transmited with out wires. you may think i am crazy but i have seen some kind of air ship that was flying with out making any noise from a propeller or engine . It can hover fly slowly or be gone in seconds. The only noise reported was a low whining. I think this old world is a strange place and geting stranger but i wan’t to stay as long as i can and will go out just like i came in if i can just kicking and squaling. have a good day.

    • Bob Wire

      Yes Jerry,

      Man-kinds ultimate purpose is to survive long enough to ascend the womb of mother earth and into the heavens beyond.

      Everything else is just part of the process. The crazy part is, ~ it’s going to happen one way or another and is promised to all.

      Man-kind is only partly human. It’s for each of us to inventory and accept “all” of our parts.

      There is millions of years “gaps” in our history unaccounted for. Most of us prefer to ignore this as it offers uncomfortable confusion.

      Indeed, there are “seers” that walk among us, there always has been.

      We’ll not find many here. This is an earth bound crowd and they serve a vital purpose in the scheme of things. As many small steps make a journey.

  • jerry b b

    I know several oeople that has seen these air ships . I don’t know who they belong to or if they were built here on the earth planet or if they came from another planet but they are real. there was a rash of sightings as far back as the 60s.Back in the 60s one was observed by about 200 people hovering over the parking lot at the kroger warehouse store in nashville Tennessee.t The one that i seen was about 12 years ago in athens alabama. me and a coworker seen it at the same time. Another man that i worked with saw one of them i know twice.

    • Bob Wire

      I’ve never seen such things, but I’ve have someone I’ve known for 40 years that has. She’d be the last person on earth to make up such a story and has “zero” persuasion or interest to do so.

      I’ve only seen unexplained “lights” which means nothing.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Gee, its like I know a guy that has snorted cocaine for 30 years and he isnt addicted. Gimme a break.

  • Bob Wire

    A little magic mushroom there Mikey? The temperature, 65 to 67 and a little sunshine makes harvest time “now”

    This “war” as it’s call has turned into quite a quagmire. I barely understood it from the offset and I surely don’t understand it now.

    While I want to support our men and women in uniform and honor their sacrifice and commitment to country, I’ve always held reservations about our nations actions, intent and purpose in being there. There has been nothing said or done in 10 years to change this.

    The initial Soviet deployment of the 40th Army in Afghanistan began on December 24, 1979 under Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev. The final troop withdrawal started on May 15, 1988, and ended on February 15, 1989 under the last Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. Due to the interminable nature of the war and the damage it is perceived to have caused the USSR’s international standing and military morale, the conflict in Afghanistan has sometimes been referred to as the Soviet Union’s Vietnam War.

    The War on Terror (also known as the Global War on Terror or the War on Terrorism) is an ongoing international military campaign led by the United States of America and the United Kingdom with the support of other NATO and non-NATO countries. The campaign was launched in 2001 with the U.S./U.K. invasion of Afghanistan in response to the September 11 terrorist attacks. Since then, other operations have commenced, the largest being the War in Iraq, beginning with a 2003 invasion. Originally, it was waged against al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations with the purpose of eliminating them.

    That’s 22 years of war this nation and her people has endured and learned how to turn lemons into lemonade. Like an observant Afghan mother said to another while watching their children play, “They just seem to blow up so quick anymore”

    To think there is a silver bullet or a good plan not yet tried to end it, is purely “wishful thinking” at this point.

    The only truth hit on in John Meyers article is that they/somebody wants the money to continue to flow into the country and to stay front and center in world headline news. As it is a shameful waste of a good disaster regardless how it might be created. As we find that human suffering is these peoples stock and trade.

    • http://none Mike

      Not really Magic Mushroom. I just feel that no matter who started it we need to find a way to end it in a manner that allows us some form of victory there. I know that most people on your side of the argument think we shouldent have been there to start with. Let me premis what I say with a little background I am 42 years old and I have been a voter since I turned 18. I voted for Bush 1 the first time I ever voted. The following election I voted for Clinton Because I felt that Bush was going to get us into a war in the middle East that we had no hopes of winning. I felt that we should have supplied the backing against Sadam and allowed the people in that reagion to remove him. Clintion EMBARESSED me because he took the office of preisdent and turned it into a circuse parade of wemon and parties. Being from the south he tainted the view of southereners as hick’s and know nothings. Which all of us are not. I also feel that one of the only ways to end such conflicts in the middle east and in other third world hot beds is to begin to educate the people there. Not just bomb them out of existance. How much support would people like Bin Ladin have there if the people he was trying to recruit from had some form of basic education and a desire to elevate themselves above liveing in tents or open stone huts? We are seeing some of what happens when people get educated in China. They have begun to move from a second world culture there into a modern industrial socity that has managed to trow off some of the bonds of early communisim. Thoes in the Middle east might start to do some of the same thing if they knew better. A good example is in Iran of all places I feel that the only reason that the mad man that rules there has not been able to do as he pleases there is the fact that alot of his country IS modern in many aspects. His people know that what their leader is doing is wrong. The only reason he is still in power there is the fact we havent supplied support to thoes that would remove him without the use of a single american troop I might add. Untill we get thoes in power to quit useing wars as political footballs and power grabs and change our views of people in general we wont win there. If we are going to change that it starts at the grass roots of our political process. If we vote more of the same we get more of the same. Another premis here I was involved in my 20′s here in Tn. with the constitution party even went as far as to try to run on a constituion party canidate. The party unfortunately at the time had a figurehead named Lincon Davis who was a total nut job (Dressed up as Lincon and started berateing our state senators here as they came in and out of session)So there wasent a whole lot of support for that party here. Hopefully this will allow you to see somewhat where I come from in the political arena. I am nither Democrat or Republican but a conservitive whoes views of the world are shaped by a deep study in history and independent thinking. So I am not a crowd follower. Thanks Again Mike (Oh wait my mushrooms are ready think I will share tem with my neighbors)

  • bill b

    well if the taliban takes over pakistan we will at least have a target

  • Sharif

    The America should take its ass out from Pakistan.It is America who has created problems for Pakistan.It is Pakistan who has faced the brunt of Russian invasion of Afghanistan and now American invasion. American have failed totally in Afhanistan.They are almost defeated there and need a face-saving to run away from Afghanistan. You should have learnt a lesson from the history. “AFGHANISTAN IS THE GRAVE-YARD OF EMPIRES”. America is adding one more to it! You American are ” day-dreaming” since 9-11. You attacked Iraq and killed million of innocent people on all false assumptions.You have done same in Afghanistan. You are killing innocent Pakistani children, women and old people with your drone attacks.You must admit that your Militry power have failed to defeat a handul full of millitants who have no modern weppons except home made bombs and guns. Can you immagine what would be the fat of your Invading Army if these millitants had 0.1 percent of the weppons that American Soldiers have! American invasion of Afghanistan has destablised Pakistan.We had no such problems before that. Pakistan has lost more soldiers than America and Nato and sufferd more economical losses in the war against terrorist. Even then you blame Pakistan for all you problem. You take you ass out from Pakistan and we can well defend our land. Stop day-dreaming!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Sharif: that’s fine. when you control your home grown terrorists and call home all your emigrants to the West then we will consider leaving you alone. Personally I hope India wipes your evil country off the map.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Pakistan is as dirty as Saudi Arabia, and has been from day one. They have harbored and hid Bid Laden, and you know it as well as I do. And I would love to move out of Pakistan, and take the billions of dollars with us that we have funded this armpit with over the years. I see us giving Pakistan millions after millions of dollars, but I see nothing in return, except them siding against us. Hmmm. I wonder why that could be. You ungrateful person. I would imagine if the truth was told, you would not have been educated if not for the United States, and if our goverment operated like yours did, you probably wouldnt be allowed here. Am I right or wrong?

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    If I were King the way I would handle this terrorist cancer is as follows:

    I would make a world wide announcement on international TV and radio so even the cave dwellers would understand. I would announce that we wasted enough blood, time, and treasure on the Middle East.

    1) All American funding to Muslim countries would be immediately ceased. All American troops will be reployed to the Mexican border with orders to shoot border jumpers.
    2) Any disruption to the free flow of oil will be considered an act of War. We will take the oil fields and operate them if that occurs.
    3) America would immediately undertake an energy independence program on scale with the Manhattan Project of the 40′s.
    4) We would enforce the Monroe Doctrine and keep all foreign powers from developing oil and gas resources in the Gulf of Mexico.
    5) I would then uncover a large roulette style wheel. It would be divided into segments with the names of all Muslim Nations on Earth. I would explain that any Muslim terrorist attack on America would cause the wheel to spin. Whatever Muslim nation it lands on loses a vital asset; city, factory complex, port facility, ect.
    6) Any attack on America, or her allies, by a WMD of Muslim origin would cause the immediate launch of nuclear tipped cruise missles against all major Muslim targets world wide. This would include religious sites such as Mecca. All Muslim emigrants to the US would then be sent home immediately.

    This policy would be irrovocable and permanent. I would encouage all Western Nations to join in this policy.
    If the Muslims want to act like savages they will be treated accordingly.

    Of course this just my Drean Scenario. I don’t expect anyone, especially this administration to have the balls to do anything like this. So I guess the West is doomed.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Mecca would be the first target I believe.

  • http://violentreligion.blogspot.com violentreligion.blogspot.com

    Please see this story which is extremely alarming. Obama and his administration may not get a clue.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8053775/Pakistans-nuclear-arms-push-angers-America.html

    See a comment:
    “So, Pakistan spends all it’s money on nukes, while convincing charities and governments to idiotically give it money – and what’s more, to give to the very area that produces terrorists, and soldiers for the Taliban.

    So, we’re giving money to help fund their nuclear programme, and to help kill British soldiers in Afghanistan. The utter clueless-ness of the liberal media/charities/MPs is truly staggering.

    Islam is militant by nature. It doesn’t matter how much diplomacy the west does, the existence of Islamic states makes nuclear war/terrorism inevitable.”

  • Sheryl

    Obama is right. How do you know what purpose will the money be used for? It can well be used for actually promoting fundamentalist religious propaganda. There is no such thing as free money.

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