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Outing Richard Saunders

February 22, 2013 by  

Outing Richard Saunders
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In 1732, Richard Saunders began publishing an almanac filled with humorous sayings and sage advice. Twenty-six editions were published. The book was Poor Richard’s Almanack, and Richard Saunders was, in fact, Benjamin Franklin.

Franklin used many pseudonyms, often creating whole personalities for the “writer.” Among them were Silence Dogood, Caelia Shortface, Martha Careful, Harry Meanwell, Alice Addertongue, Timothy Turnstone, Busy Body, Anthony Afterwit, Polly Baker and Benevolus.

The papers that later became known as The Federalist and The Anti-Federalist were written under pseudonyms. Publius was actually Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay. Then there was Agrippa, Brutus, Caesar, Cato, Cincinnatus, Federal Farmer, Harrington, A Landholder, Senex and Sydney, among others.

Anonymous political speech has a rich and storied history in America. Even though the 1st Amendment guarantees the right of all Americans to freely express themselves, the elected class and the 1 percent often object to having the light of truth shined on them. They don’t like it when people express views that make them uncomfortable.

The Internet has provided a new medium for people to express themselves. It’s inexpensive, and it can be fairly anonymous. It’s changing the way people get information. At least one website compares the Internet to the Gutenberg press, which changed the world because it removed control of information from the hands of the elites.

The 1 percent didn’t like that fact then, and they don’t like now. Lawmakers in Illinois are a prime example. A new bill in the State Senate would require anonymous website comment posters to reveal their identities if they want to keep their comments online. Called The Internet Posting Removal Act, it states that a “web site administrator upon request shall remove any comments posted on his or her web site by an anonymous poster unless the anonymous poster agrees to attach his or her name to the post and confirms that his or her IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate.”

The bill, which does not ask for or clarify requirements from entities requesting the comment removal, would take effect 90 days after becoming law.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation points out:

The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the right to anonymous free speech is protected by the First Amendment. A much-cited 1995 Supreme Court ruling in McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission reads:

“Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical minority views . . . Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society.”

Illinois is not the first State to try and squelch online speech. New York, Tennessee and Arizona have all had laws proposed in their legislatures that would have outed Richard Saunders. Those all failed or were changed before passage. This one must fail as well.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    Its a tough one. On the one hand you want people to be honest about who they are. On the other you don’t want to blindly tell the whole world information that could be used to steal your identity. I figure real names are enough.

    • Sherry Kissick

      Why is it relative to have that information? Too much information is already stolen from us. There is information that is required from us to enter certain programs, that is enough and why does the government need so much personal information? I’m afraid it is for nefarious reasons. I’m not afraid to speak up and be known but our rights are steadily being taken away from us. It’s just a question of when the hammer drops. The progressives have been working hard to take away our constitutional rights. Have you asked yourself why? What’s behind the smoking mirrors?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Well first Sherry I am a Progressive. I haven’t been trying to take away any ones rights. As for info I don’t deny that information can be taken. I just thinking being brave enough to attach your name to your own opinions is important. Your views are already out there. You might as well own them.

    • rb

      It’s not a tough one. When the government wants to force people to give their identity that is the first clue on the intent of such a law.

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

        hmm? , ~ well it’s a state government. ~

      • momo

        State governments have prisons too, Deer.

      • Don 2

        momo,

        Don’t call her deer/dear.

      • TIME

        Dear Dan,

        Perhaps Mamo was think it was all fair game……

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Its tough because its speaks to things like libel and cyber bullying. How can we prevent people from committing libel and cyber bullying on the internet.

    • Don 2

      Jeremy,

      You are so naive. There is no defending this bill.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I am not trying to defend the bill. I just don’t disagree with everything in it.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    Bob Livingston,

    SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS ARTICLE. I HOPE THE ILLINOIS BILL BECOMES LAW BECAUSE IT PROMOTES CHARACTER. IF A PERSON WISHES TO PUBLICALLY EXPRESS A VALUE OR IDEOLOGY, HE/SHE MUST BE ACCEPTING OF OPPOSING CRITICISM – NO MATTER HOW LARGE OR SMALL. BY ATTACHING YOUR NAME TO ONLINE COMMENTARY, YOU ARE SENDING A SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE TO READERS THAT THOSE WORDS ARE A LITERARY REPRESENTATION OF WHO YOU ARE, AS AN INDIVIDUAL.

    I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH United States Supreme Court’s RULING IN “McIntyre-vs- Ohio Elections Commission.” IT WAS WRONG FOR THE COURT TO SAY, “Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical minority views … ” STRENGTH OF CONVINCTION COMES FROM BEING ABLE TO SAY, “My name is Christopher Allen Horton, and these views are EXPRESSED in WORDS coming out-of MY MOUTH.” IF I AM IN THE “critical minority,” IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY – SINCE I OPENED MY MOUTH – TO “TAKE-ON” THE OPPOSITION.

    “Throwing a rock and hiding your hand,” IS A TRADEMARK OF WEAKLINGS.

    • Warrior

      Interesting. What are your thoughts on “gubmint” leaks? A display of “total weakness”?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Warrior,”

        ACTUALLY, YEAH. IF THAT PERSON THINKS THE GOVERNMENT’S WRONGDOINGS NEED TO BE EXPOSED, THEN THAT PERSON MUST BE WILLING TO RISK GETTING FIRED, BY ATTACHING HER/HIS NAME TO THE EXPOSURE. A PROBLEM WITH EXPOSING AN ENTITY ANONYMOUSLY, IS THE CREATION OF “WIGGLE-ROOM” – WHICH ALLOWS THAT ENTITY TO SAY THE “LEAKER” HAS INCORRECT INFORMATION BECAUSE HER/HIS “SOURCES” ARE UNRELIABLE.

    • voted against carter

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON,…

      Face palm,….

      YOU are an IDIOT. STOP proving it with EVERY post you make.

      Oh,.. you are also VERY naive.

      naive |nīˈēv| (also naïve)
      adjective
      (of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment : the rather naive young man had been totally misled.
      • (of a person) natural and unaffected; innocent : Andy had a sweet, naive look when he smiled.
      • of or denoting art produced in a straightforward style that deliberately rejects sophisticated artistic techniques and has a bold directness resembling a child’s work, typically in bright colors with little or no perspective.
      DERIVATIVES
      naively adverb
      naiveness noun
      ORIGIN mid 17th cent.: from French naïve, feminine of naïf, from Latin nativus ‘native, natural.’

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “voted against carter,”

        YOU TYPE, ” … [ I AM] VERY naive.” SO, “voted … ,” I ASSUME YOU ARE A SENIOR WHO FOUND SUCCESS IN LIFE BY “DUCKING-AND-DODGING” CONFRONTATIONS REQUIRING A DIRECT APPROACH. THAT IS NOT A GREAT SYMBOL OF PERSONAL CONVICTION. BUT, I UNDERSTAND MANY PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE WEALTHY, WITHOUT “OPERATING IN THE SHADOWS.”

    • Jim

      Chris, Chris, Chris. Your response is so cleverly worded. Bu you left out the key to the ruling. Big Government has deep pockets there for dissenters who are not allowed to remain anonymous can be jailed until such time a trial ensues. And if the guy with the govt boot on his neck does not have the resources to fight the govt who gets an endless supply of money from the citizens, the poor sap cant go up against them. So you’re saying, if you cant afford to go up against the tyrannical govt you oppose, just SHUT UP? As for you calling someone a weakling because they hid their hand after throwing a rock, you obviously don’t know anything about history or warfare. When you oppose an opponent larger that you, you use any means necessary to protect your liberties and freedoms. Didn’t our own militia and continental army adopt guerrilla tactics to win against the all powerful Red Coats? Didn’t the Viet Cong use guerrilla tactics to fight against the US war machine? Didn’t the French underground resistance continue to fight against Hitler’s war machine? Didn’t the Afghan’s resort to gorilla tactics to fight against the Soviet Red Army war machine? Seems to me the anonymous poster is fighting a gorilla war as well. And seems to me, you’re the weakling. You want to tie others hands so you can do to them whatever you want.ilii

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Jim,”

        IF A PERSON IS TOO LITTLE TO FIGHT, OR, TO POOR TO TALK, THAT PERSON SHOULD STAY “OUT-OF-THE-FRAY.” ONLY A FOOLISH MAN OPENS HIS BIG MOUTH WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO BACK IT UP.

        “Jim,” YOUR COMMENTS INDICATE YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO RISK IT ALL – I AM. IF I ATTACK A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT, I UNDERSTAND I MIGHT BE EXECUTED, INCARCERATED OR MADE A PAUPER. THAT IS A RISK WORTH TAKING.

    • Karolyn

      You make a good point, Chris; however how about those whose very lives would be threatened should their identities be known?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn,”

        AS ALWAYS, IT IS GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU, MA’AM.

        “Karolyn,” I WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING I TOLD, “Jim.” AN ADULT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO HER-/HIMSELF, FIRST. IF YOU ENJOY AN ACTIVITY WHICH HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE HARM, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW IF YOU CAN HANDLE THAT HARM – IF IT OCCURS. IF YOUR ANSWER IS, “NO, I can not handle it!,” THEN, YOU NEED TO ALWAYS AVOID THAT ACTIVITY. BUT, IF YOU “CAN” HANDLE THAT ACTIVITY, YOU MUST ENGAGE IT OPENLY. MA’AM, EVERY DAY OF LIFE IS A RISK. “PLAYING IT SAFE” WILL ONLY LEAD TO BEING OLD WITH REGRETS.

        “Karolyn,” MA’AM, IT IS NEVER RIGHT TO DO THINGS IN SECRET.

    • Don 2

      Christopher,

      And if I don’t like of what you say, I am going to send two bus loads of ACORN protesters to the sidewalk in front of your house to protest day and night.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        [threatening comment has been removed]

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        THIS DELETED COMMENT WAS NOT, DIRECTED “AT Don 2″ – IT WAS DIRECTED AT “ACORN.” IT IS HYPOCRITICAL TO DELETE THAT TYPE OF COMMENT ON A SITE WHICH ENCOURAGES CITIZENS TO “TAKE-UP-ARMS” AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENT.

    • eddie47d

      Karolyn; You are probably correct in saying it will fail or at least wouldn’t work very well. To play the devils advocate wouldn’t several of the posters here have to start telling the truth instead of some of the ridiculous conjectures here? If their names were in print would they be threatening the President with harm or encouraging it? Then again exposure could make them kinder in thought or would they just go deeper underground and plot from an even darker side. If they knew our real names would the hotheads do an Internet search find out where we live and come a calling. Hmmm!

      • Vigilant

        “If their names were in print would they be threatening the President with harm or encouraging it?”

        Good point, Eddie. I would take it a step further: Commenters who do that should be banned from this site and reported to authorities, as far as I’m concerned. Oliver Wendell Holmes’ famous statement about crying “fire” in a crowded theater applies here.

        As recently as yesterday, some idiot with the screen moniker “snoop dawg” posted the following: “We should start shooting government officials, politicians now.” (http://personalliberty.com/2013/02/21/shooting-children-pregnant-women-and-elderly-people-should-require-hesitation/)

        That was actually one of the MILDER postings I’ve seen here. Others have directly advocated the assassination of the president or urged us to march on DC now as an armed force.

        I believe one sacrifices their privilege of anonymity the moment they say something like that. PLD has removed such comments at my suggestion in the past, but the posting I reference is still up there for all to see as I write this.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ATTACHING YOUR NAME TO COMMENTARY WHICH THREATENS A POLITICIAN WHOM YOU DO NOT LIKE.

        LET US BE REAL, Personal Libertarians – IF THE KENYAN WAS ASSASSINATED, “A WHOLE LOT” OF PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY.

      • Vigilant

        If CAH had half a brain, he’d understand that his statement is not a threat, it is a statement of empirical fact. Wisely (or cowardly, as the case may be), he avoids making an actual threat. More likely, he doesn’t understand the English language sufficiently to tell the difference.

      • Texas Ride

        vigilanti, I agree with a lot you say, but I sure don’t like someone that appoints himself
        “The blog police!” Who are you to try and censor any comment…

      • Vigilant

        Texas, you are absolutely right. We should all accept the ILLEGAL behavior of commenters on this site.

        We’re not talking about the non-PC, rude, crude, even obscene, we’re talking about threatening the life of government officials up to and including the president. You may not take that kind of talk as seriously irresponsible and dangerous, but responsible people (and law enforcement people) do.

        I repeat. IT’S AGAINST THE LAW.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        THANKS, “Texas Ride.”

  • Vicki

    Congress shall make no law……

    It isn’t that hard to understand. And congress has been replaced by any government entity in many court cases over the years.

  • Lyle

    Anonymous speech, so long as it’s purpose truely is for muckraking, has it’s place and should continue to. Making false witness is where I would draw the line, but then how do you protect those who are telling the truth but doing so to protect themselves and loved ones? I still believe the decision that the courts made. keep the right to anonymity. It’s how we became a Republic and it will be how we keep it.

  • Karolyn

    Of course. it will fail!

  • czman75

    The whole reason to require name, address, etc. is to stifle free speech and to allow the criticized the right to harass and maim the contributor. Wrong doers and the evil shun the light and do not like the notarity of truth.

    • eddie47d

      You may be right on both counts yet don’t news reporters,editors,political figures and PLD staff and so forth have their names upfront and take responsibility for what they say? They are vulnerable to everything they say or put in print but are attacked with anonymous comments on a regular basis. In the case of PLD they have the names and addresses of everyone of us and generally allow us to say what we want. Well mostly! Most local newspapers require full names and city of residence (letters to editors) Yet they have also changed with their Internet comment section. They know who is posting although the posters don’t know each other. For the most part it comes down to trust and being as honest in your own opinion as you can.

      • Don 2

        eddie47d,

        Can we have your address please…….please…….please??? While you’re at it, would you throw in your phone number?

        • Sherry Kissick

          You are crazy! You want my home address and phone number? That’s just what I posted about, having privacy. Our rights are being trampled upon and I’m off this blogg.

      • Chester

        Don, you are welcome to as much information about me as Mr. Livingston has, if you can convince HIM you need it that badly. It seems that every website I have posted on demands a certain amount of information about me before I am allowed to post. The problem is, you have to supply them with a subpoena, or other court order, in order to get them to give it up. Truthfully, I imagine that if you looked hard enough you could learn not only where I am, but what type of machine I am using simply by looking at the IP address that is attached to everything I send.

      • eddie47d

        That’s the whole point Don 2 folks like you can’t be trusted so we have to hide our true identities in America. You think I’m going to hand my life over to you on a silver platter! LOL!

      • Don 2

        Chester,

        Anytime that you no longer want to remain anonymous here, and wish to attach your real name to your postings, you are free to do so.

        Maybe you would care to elaborate how just the name “Chester” would get me the information about you that you have stated.

      • Don 2

        eddie,

        Where’s your sense of humor? See, we both agree on something. Maybe there is still some hope for you?

        Chester,

        I know the government already has access to our IP addresses, home addresses, and everything else about us through advances in technology; not to mention google, yahoo, and the rest willingly giving it to them.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “eddie47d,”

        SIR, I DISAGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT [sic], ” … trust and being honest in your opinion … ” I TRIED TO MAKE AN ONLINE COMMENT AT, Memphis Commercial Appeal, ABOUT THE MAYOR OF A LOCAL TOWN WHO WAS BEING MISTREATED. I WAS TOTALLY HONEST IN MY VIEW – BUT, THE NEWSPAPER’S SITE SENT ME A MESSAGE, “Comment Not Approved.”

  • Gary L

    Big Government says “sure there is Freedom of Speech. We just want to know who to punish when they decide to speak freely. Especially when speaking about Big Government.

    • Texas Ride

      Gary, I think your brief sentence “sums up the topic of anonymity.

      Government wants to silence any opposition, regardless of what the laws say., They are making up their own laws.

      If people haven’t noticed, this is a “lawless regime.” They do what they want and what they want is to ferret out any opposition and silence them…one way or the other. And, they really don’t like anyone on the internet spouting-off facts.

  • TIME

    Dear People,

    This is a clear picture of what will become the norm ~ well ~ that is if the { 2nd Amendment is breached with any single one of the attacks} that have been brought forth in the House, or the UN~SAT.

    Now think long and hard about what that will mean to you or a loved one who may find themself not feeling the love from that special ~ CRIMINAL Political class / Priest Class / Science Class. with all their special “behavior modifications” they so wish to impose on you the Goym ~ you know ~ you than all need to be RFID chipped so as to keep you under control. Oh the JOY, OH the LOVE.

    Now let’s all think about all the LOVE the NAZI – GESTAPO gave out with these same powers, – that is keeping in mind that we now have the “GESTAPO” in all its glory as well even its name sake, ~ as in we even call it the very same thing. {“Home Land Security”} or “DHS” for that special warm feeling..
    YET ~ All Fostered under the hart warming title called: ~ “The Patriot Act.” And just who can forget the ~ “NDAA?” You know the one that was voted on in secret and signed into law on December 31st 2011 ~ aka New Years eve by Barry.
    Or any of the special EO’S that Barry, GWB & Clinton signed to take away all your stuff, and even kill you just for being YOU! Now can you feel that warm feeling of LOVE?

    Hey with the special “NEW DRONE” system you will really know how to feel all that LOVE, very soon!
    As Barry OMEN ~ said ~ I have just one word ~ “Drones” ~ “You’ll never see it coming!”

    Oh the Joy of a Nazi like Police State, as in ~ you people who keep telling us how great this tyoe of Leadership is.
    I am sure will be so happy to comply with the “Toxic Poison” you keep posting about how special Barry Omen is ~ and you who wish to think that GWB was so special, or you ~ Clinton or Gore lovers, Wake up ~ they are all of { one mind set } and “YOU” are their Enemy!
    Perhaps some day all of you may wake up and get the picture to tune in, then again perhaps not, as displayed daily.

    STOP paying any form of Federal TAX.

    Peace and Love Shalom.

    Open your SOUL to the “Wholy Sprit” do it now before its to late.

    • TIME

      Fogive me its Holy Sprit, ~ I guess I was Wholy into it.. LOL

    • boyscout

      You might try a little harder to see things from the other guy’s perspective. Just imagine the tension of such a nagging question as: how many lone gunmen must appear and self evidence till, in actuality, a lone gunman arrives on the scene ?

  • Vigilant

    The “right” to anonymity is not categorical but qualified in its application. While its preservation is to be respected in some areas, its suppression is outlawed in others.

    If Mary Anne Evans had used her real name instead of the pen name “George Eliot, it was likely that her works, at least the early ones, might never have been published. Screen names can be just as important in conveying an image: Would Boris Karloff have been as successful if he used is real name (William Pratt)? And how far would John Wayne have gone if the movie credits carried him as “Marion Morrison?”

    The law, on the other hand, furnishes no Constitutional immunity to the press in withholding names of informants (sources), regardless of their claims to the contrary. And debate still rages on the propriety, if not the legality, of releasing the names and addresses of handgun owners in a NY county.

    Forcing internet forum participants to divulge their real names and addresses would probably tone down the tenor and content of postings, which on the surface may seem a good thing. But it would also result in the installation of one more building block in the prison run by Big Brother. Not to mention the opening up of that Pandora’s box of unsolicited mail.

    • Anonymous Poster

      Please think about the implications of your argument. I don’t agree with your first sentence. The right to anonymity needs to be unqualified in all areas of communication to protect the minority view. Now, if a stupid person can’t keep a secret or protect their anonymity, then all sorts of evil can result. The person might get lynched by a mob, for example. If you believe the majority is always right, then you also probably believe in the survival of the strongest, and other such view. In that world, morality and ethics suffer at the hands of the powerful. Please think on that.

      • Vigilant

        “Please think about the implications of your argument.”

        That, sir, is neither here nor there. The LAW specifies which privacy concerns are valid and which are not. Doesn’t matter what you or I think about fairness, the laws, both state and federal, are very clear that qualifications are indeed placed upon anonymity and privacy. I cited one such qualification in the posting. I could cite more.

        You’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing against the laws you feel are unfair.

  • Steve E

    I wonder what they would do about Mark Twain, who was really Samuel Clemons.

  • Anonymous Poster

    The right to anonymity is the right to avoid consequence when you are in the minority. It is truly blind to party or opinion. Use A and B to represent left and right, Democrat or Republic, black or white, liberal or conservative. As long as you don’t know which is which, I can make my point. A lives in a society where “everybody else” is a B. If A opens his mouth to try and convince B that B is wrong, misguided, stupid or a jerk, B beats A to a pulp and A dies, figuratively speaking of course. In order for the minority to have FREE speech, in such a situation, you must have the right to anonymity. If you don’t have both rights, the other will suffer lose. I don’t see how you can lose one without losing the other. The personal risk of harm is too great and people won’t SAY what they really feel. The same goes to the secret ballot, etc. ALL of this hangs on the majority having moral and ethical sensitivity. Lose morals and ethics and we will really be in bad shape. Do you follow me? I sure hope so.

    • Vigilant

      “The right to anonymity is the right to avoid consequence when you are in the minority.”

      Not true. Anonymity is the right to avoid consequences only if you are engaging in lawful behavior, whether you are in the majority or the minority.

      Anonymity is not, nor should it be, carte blanche to incite riots, cry “fire” in a crowded theater, threaten the life of the president, send a ransom note, create a bogus bomb scare in a school, or libel or slander anyone “with malice aforethought.”

      At best, it is a qualified “right” not in the original Constitution but derived from the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th Amendments. A large body of legal decisions confirm that the right is not unqualified.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        It’s Time to Stop Using the ‘Fire in a Crowded Theater’ Quote

        12 NOV 2 2012, 10:11 AM ET 13

        Oliver Wendell Holmes made the analogy during a controversial Supreme Court case that was overturned more than 40 years ago.

        Ninety-three years ago, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote what is perhaps the most well-known — yet misquoted and misused — phrase in Supreme Court history: “The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.”

        Without fail, whenever a free speech controversy hits, someone will cite this phrase as proof of limits on the First Amendment. And whatever that controversy may be, “the law”–as some have curiously called it–can be interpreted to suggest that we should err on the side of censorship. Holmes’ quote has become a crutch for every censor in America, yet the quote is wildly misunderstood.

        The latest example comes from New York City councilmen Peter Vallone, who declared yesterday “Everyone knows the example of yelling fire in a crowded movie theater,” as he called for charges against pseudonymous Twitter @ComfortablySmug for spreading false information during Hurricane Sandy. Other commentators have endorsed Vallone’s suggestions, citing the same quote as established precedent.

        In the last few years, the quote has reared its head on countless occasions. In September, commentators pointed to it when questioning whether the controversial anti-Muslim video should be censored. Before that, it was invoked when a crazy pastor threatened to burn Qurans. Before that, the analogy was twisted to call for charges against WikiLeaks for publishing classified information. The list goes on.

        But those who quote Holmes might want to actually read the case where the phrase originated before using it as their main defense. If they did, they’d realize it was never binding law, and the underlying case, U.S. v. Schenck, is not only one of the most odious free speech decisions in the Court’s history, but was overturned over 40 years ago.

        for the rest of this article…….

        http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/

    • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

      Anonymous Poster says:

      “The right to anonymity is the right to avoid consequence when you are in the minority. It is truly blind to party or opinion.”

      Hmm, Having the “right” to do anything might well be seen as a “Freedom” ~ but it has never made it “FREE”. What we say and do has consequences and rewards could be due.

      You have the right to make fun of another man’s wife and her predominate features. ~ but he might stomp a mud hole in your assets without asking for your permission.

      Ambiguity permits us to address the unflattering or expose a ruse without fear of reprisal. ~

      The movie Anonymous goes to the core of Mr. Livingston’s thread topic. If any of you find this topic interesting, you would enjoy the movie.

      http://youtu.be/2PaliLAQT8k

      In a time where people were executed heresy or just annoying someone ~ Ambiguity or being Anonymous ~ to get the message out was the only way it could have ever happened.

      We might still be in the Dark Ages today without this “tool”.

      I shot an arrow into the air, it fell to earth I know not where.

      For so swiftly it flew the sight, could not follow it in it’s flight

      I breathed a song into the air, it fell to earth I know where.

      For who has sight so keen and strong that it can follow the flight of song

      Long after , in an Oak, I found the arrow still un-broke

      And the song from beginning to end, I found in the heart of a friend.

      ” Henry Longfellow” ( I forget the title of this poem) my bad

      What we sing ~ matters.

  • Vigilant

    Anonymity through screen names on a site such as this is not much more than an illusion. Mr. Livingston knows your e-mail and IP addresses. And, I suspect, so do NSA and DHS.

    Anonymity is useful in preventing us posters from knowing the details of our fellow respondents, but I think that’s as far as it goes.

    • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

      A couple of thoughts, one; it is possible to use methods to protect identity if
      you wish to go through the trouble…..then there is the reality, that given
      the state of the vitriol that currently exists……the sheer number of “threats”
      leveled against just the President, is beyond the capacity of the secret service to deal
      with………….and finally, most of what occurs here and other sites like this,
      is simply misdirection and confusion………and a lot of people, posturing…..
      that will do absolutely NOTHING…….so these places serve as “outlet” for
      stupidity on a grand scale…….and the “ephemeral elites” laugh, as victim
      blames victim……..and they know mostly the only violence will be victim
      shooting victim…….there is nothing to fear here…….nor will they ever seriously try
      to shut sites like this down……..it would be bad for business…..their’s especially.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Vigilant,”

      BE CAREFUL TO NOT “TRIP” ON HYPOCRISY. YESTERDAY, Y-O-U, “threw a rock and hid your hand.”

      • Vigilant

        Fine, if you say so. I’m not going to waste my time on yesterday’s postings to even try to fathom what you’re talking about.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vigilant” – I LEFT A MESSAGE FOR YOU ON MY Stranger Page.

      • Vigilant

        Why hide your “light” under a basket, CAH?

        Here’s what our esteemed CAH has to say on that blog (suitably cleaned up for the squeamish):

        “AN OLD F*CKIN’ G*D-DAMN BASTARD AT, Personal Liberty Digest, HAS STATED I HATE JEWS BECAUSE OF MY COMMENTARY IN THIS THREAD. THE F*CKIN’ FART HAS A SIBERIAN HUSKY NAMED, “Shadow.” I NEED TO SAUTEE THE MUTT IN MY F*CKIN’ PISS AND EAT HIM FOR DINNER!

        I AM F*CKIN’ TIRED OF PEOPLE BEING APOLOGISTS FOR HEBREWS!

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON”

        Folks, that’s the enlightened (if shouted) wisdom of one Christopher Allen Horton.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vigilant,”

        BY PUBLISHING MY COMMENTARY FROM A HOMOSEXUAL SITE – ONTO A CONSERVATIVE SITE – Y-O-U, “Vigilant,” ARE THE ONE WHO COMES-OUT LOOKING SALACIOUS. [By the way, "Vigilant," why didn't you tell the decent people here, at Personal Liberty Digest, that the homosexual website contains highly-explicit advertisements for sex toys? So, "Mr. Conservative Constitutionalist," WHY WERE
        Y-O-U ON THAT SITE!?].

      • Vigilant

        “So, “Mr. Conservative Constitutionalist,” WHY WERE
        Y-O-U ON THAT SITE!?”

        Simply out of curiosity, little boy. You did say, “Vigilant” – I LEFT A MESSAGE FOR YOU ON MY Stranger Page.” I read that message and then quoted it here to show everyone what scum you are.

        What an absolutely childish, lying idiot you are. You really expect to entrap me by drawing me to a site I despise, then imply that I frequent the site for “salacious” reasons?

        Seek help, sonny.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vigilant,”

        THIS IS MY LAST TIME COMMUNICATING WITH YOU ON ANY SUBJECT. YOU KNOW I WAS REFERRING TO YOUR ORIGINAL POST OF MY Stranger Page IN Sam Rolley’s NEWS SEGMENT ON 20 FEBRUARY.

        SO, SINCE YOU CAN NOT ATTACK ME ON THE ISSUES, YOU HAVE DECIDED TO ATTACK MY HOMOSEXUALITY. HENCE, AGAIN – “Mr. Conservative Constitutionalist” – HOW DID YOU FIND SUCH EASE IN VISITING A “SLEAZY” HOMOSEXUAL SITE? HMN … THAT IS “FOOD FOR THOUGHT,” FOR THOSE WHO SUPPORT YOUR CAMPAIGN.

        WE ARE FINISHED!

      • Vigilant

        “YOU KNOW I WAS REFERRING TO YOUR ORIGINAL POST OF MY Stranger Page IN Sam Rolley’s NEWS SEGMENT ON 20 FEBRUARY.”

        No you weren’t. The above thread proves I’m right.

        “SO, SINCE YOU CAN NOT ATTACK ME ON THE ISSUES, YOU HAVE DECIDED TO ATTACK MY HOMOSEXUALITY.”

        Another big lie. I’ve never attacked your homosexuality. I HAVE attacked your implied illegal preference for minors and your garbage mouth, plus your racism and antiSemitism.

        You’re WAY out of your league, boy, if you think you can take me on in any rational argument. You’re a mental midget, small potatoes and nothing more.

        “THIS IS MY LAST TIME COMMUNICATING WITH YOU ON ANY SUBJECT…WE ARE FINISHED!”

        HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! I’ll hold you to those words, liar. We’ll see just how long you can keep that promise!

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Vigilant at 2:39 pm
        Vigilant, now you understand WHY “christopher allen horton” and alike hypocritical Godless “BASTARDS” do NOT LIKE the LIGHT.

        God says that the lovers of EVIL “HATE THE LIGHT”. “christopher allen horton” just proves God’s TRUTH.

        “There are those who REBEL AGAINST THE LIGHT; They do not know its ways nor abide in its paths.” (Job 24:13)

        “[T]he light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing EVIL HATES THE LIGHT and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.” (John 3:19, 20)

        The mask is taken off.
        Vigilant, you nicely exposed the DEPRAVED ANGRY HYPOCRITE “christopher allen horton” for what he is.

        “For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.” – Jesus Christ (Mathew 10:26; Luke 8:17)

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

        Hmm? Well ~ that was certainly amusing ~ and well done. Bravo

        CAH has been begging for attention far too long, ~ appears that he got it.

        I don’t know what floats his boat ~ but stand back, ~ I would want to get any of it on me.

  • bachelorwithsense

    The “Bill” on its face is Unconstitutional… We need to HOLD the “Lawmakers” to the Constitution… The PENALTY for Unconstitutional laws is DEATH!!

    • RANGER 65

      i AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT. BUT WHERE IN THIS LAZY GOD FORSAKEN COUNTRY WOULD FIND ANYONE TO ENFORCE THE RUL OF THAT LAW??

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        First because the penalty for unconstitutional laws is NOT death.

        Second because most of you willfully ignorant, functional illiterates
        have no clue what you are talking about when you use the terms, constitutional and unconstitutional.

        http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

        Thirdly and finally, if the ‘constitution” you think you understand were actually in
        effect………we would have to deal with fools like you, who do not understand
        that Freedom of religion…….means freedom FROM religion……you can believe
        whatever fantasies you like, whatever your choice of hypocrisy, but neither ‘god”
        nor any specific “fantasy” has anything to do with, the constitution, the rule of
        law or or anything else, this country supposedly was founded on, or stands
        for………if this were not true……religion in the Bill of Rights would be specificfally
        identified……and Article Six would state….that a religious test WAS REQUIRED
        to hold public office. It does NEITHER!!!!!!

        Clear it up for you any?

      • Tom T

        Gault you are right on your point the death penalty doesn’t apply here. That is where it stops. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say “freedom of (or from) religion nor does it use the term “separation of church and state” The first amendment has to do with “established” religion which had to do with a state religion or sect established by the government. The founders had just gained independence from England that had the Church of England as their established religion and those not a member received no consideration from the English government of any sort.
        The term “Separation of Church and State” was from a letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists who were trying to get state funds to build a university and at that time the state of CT had an established religion(as most colonies did at the time until 1810) of Presbyterian. Starting with Jefferson, church services were held every Sunday in the house of representatives by a different religion each week to include judaism as well, this however, came to a stop when the civil war broke out. Gotta know your history.

        I have notice that most people who resort to insults in their posts rather than provide a rebuttal points and facts to substantiate their position in a debate, usually have a poor position or in this case a lack of hisorical knowledge.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        Well Tom, since I didn’t use the term “separation of church and state”, it
        would not be relevant to the the “argument” made by me…….

        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ”

        While I appreciate your attempt at a “history” lesson, you will have to do
        better…….there is no restriction regarding which “religion” was referred to,
        and there is a great deal of history with respect to it…..Mass bay, Rhode
        Island, Pennsylvania…….which I am not going to bother to explain to you.

        There is also the text of Article VI, which you didn’t deal with, so you have no
        relevant argument……feel free to try again.

        I have notice that most people who resort to insults in their posts rather than provide a rebuttal points and facts to substantiate their position in a debate, usually have a poor position or in this case a lack of hisorical knowledge.

        Have you now? Which particular insult would you be referring, to? Since you seem
        to agree with the “correction” of the first comment……are you making an attempt to
        defend the second? Maybe you were challenging the link?

        You do understand the meaning of “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”?

        Because if you do not, it can be provided for you…..it is, in fact, a condition
        which is demonstrated by evidence, which is provided by the people, who
        suffer from the ‘condition”……..and the interesting part of this condition,
        is that if they are “insulted by it”……..they react to it, providing even more
        evidence…….

        I am a bit unclear as to why you would have any concern, regarding the “posters”
        of either of the preceding comments…….but mysteries have a way of revealing
        themselves over time……..

        “He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls
        the future. ”

        “History is written by the victors, temporarily.”

      • http://aol CommonSense4America

        GALT,,,I once thought of you as just a pompas a$$. Now with your comment of “freedom FROM religion” I now think of you as a stupid pompas a$$. I know this will not cause you to lose sleep over, but I just had to let you know. Have a nice day.

    • Old Henry

      The term unconstitutional legislation does not hold much sway here in The Land of Stincoln where we have the best government money can buy and our governors make our license plates.

      As an example look at the countless illegal, unconstitutional gun laws in this state, both at the state and local level.

      ALL gun laws are illegal / unconstitutional per the 2nd Amendment.

  • dcjdavis

    Government: You have the right to say whatever you want as long as we know who you are so we can take you out of the game when you start scoring for the other team.

  • dcjdavis

    Just because other posters don’t know who you are doesn’t mean you aren’t known.

  • c t frank

    I’m starting to research other countries where I can emigrate and still earn a living.
    And yes, that’s really my name.

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com/ Oliver K. Manuel

      We must each decide for ourselves how to respond to the current demise of society.

      In my opinion the US Declaration of Independence that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, et al. left for us on 4 July 1776 is worth fighting to preserve.

      - Oliver K. Manuel
      http://www.omatumr.com

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Thank you, Bob, for this information on Benjamin Franklin.

    He was, of course, a major player on the stage of life when our country was founded in 1776 on the basis of a Divine right for mankind to enjoy self-governance and to establish or abolish governments to protect our unalienable right to enjoy Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Here’s a brief summary of other major events since 1500 BC that

    1. Brought hope of a Divine right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness on 4 July 1776.

    2. Dashed hope of a Divine right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness on 24 Oct 1945.

    http://tinyurl.com/aynmbpv

    I would have been unable to decipher this puzzle without help from many different people, including the joint efforts of George Orwell and Fred Hoyle in 1946 to:

    _ a.) Warn the public about an impending tyrannical government
    _ b.) Leave a trail of evidence for future generations to decipher

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2204

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com/ Oliver K. Manuel

      When I finally realized in 2009 the nature of forces allied against the integrity of

      a.) Scientific research,
      b.) National governments, and
      c.) The international monetary system, . . .

      I was almost seventy-three years (73 yrs) old. After a lot of soul-searching, my decision was based on scriptures from several different religions, including the very blunt advice Lord Krishna gave another ordinary fellow like me in the Bhagavad Gita, Arjuna.

      “Having made yourself alike in pain and
      pleasure, profit and loss, victory and
      defeat, engage in this great war and
      you will be freed from sin, Arjuna”
      .

      http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/

      With kind regards,
      Oliver K. Manuel
      Former NASA Principal
      Investigator for Apollo
      http://www.omatumr.com

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “Mary Ann Ludwig,”

    YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE. YOU TYPE, ” … I use a pseudonym … because I treasure the right to express myself in whatever way I choose.”

    “Ms. Ludwig,” WE ALL HAVE “DIFFERENT SIDES” TO OUR PERSONA. SO, TO USE YOUR NAME WILL NOT BAR YOU FROM EXPRESSING YOURSELF, “in whatever way [YOU] choose. IF YOU ARE ANGRY, ATTACHING YOUR NAME SIGNIFIES YOU WILL NOT BE BULLIED BY THE OPPOSITION. IF YOU ARE SAD, ATTACHING YOUR NAME WILL LET THE OPPOSITION KNOW – IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS – “Y-O-U, hurt me!”

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    I do not hide my identity from the cowards who destroyed our government trying to save themselves from nuclear annihilation after 1945.

    http://judithcurry.com/2013/02/24/open-thread-weekend-9/#comment-298252

    We will return to the nucleus for energy (E) because potential E against repulsive forces between neutrons is stored as mass (m) in the cores of

    a.) Heavy atoms like Th, U & Pu
    b.) Planets like Jupiter & Saturn
    c.) Ordinary stars like the Sun
    d.) Galaxies like the Milky Way

    After 1945, government bureaucrats encouraged the scientific community to ignore, manipulate or obfuscate literally hundreds of experimental measurements and observations that are summarized here:

    “Neutron repulsion,” The APEIRON Journal 19, 123-150 (2012):
    http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V19NO2pdf/V19N2MAN.pdf

    When we return to nuclear energy, politicians must not again allow the nuclear industry to store radioactive waste for future generations to dispose.

    Nuclear energy is our future and the problem of nuclear waste can and must be solved.

    - Oliver K. Manuel
    PhD Nuclear Chemistry
    Postdoc Space Physics
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS FROM AUSTRALIA

    So will we be required to show our ID or birth certificates to prove who we are? What a load of nonsence the 1% will serk to destroy facebook and internet trade altogether so I wont be able to express my opinions is that it? Destroying the internet will only destroy business activity and destroy free thinking. But wait…i can always make up a name and an address in Australia where it wont be against the law in the USA. I dont think i want to bless America in Illinois. Sad people in Illinois.

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

      Since 24 Oct 1945 this once great country has been sliding into domination by a tyrannical, one-world government under the United Nations.

      As noted elsewhere, http://personalliberty.com/2013/02/11/proof-of-a-u-s-police-state/ , here are a few of the brave scientists and politicians (left and right) who trued to warn us:

      1.The nuclear scientist who became my research mentor in 1960, Dr. P. K. Kuroda, the first scientist to visit Hiroshima after it was destroyed by an atomic bomb in Aug 1945.

      2. The British astronomer, Sir Fred Hoyle, the scientist who laid the foundation for the Standard Solar Model of H-filled stars and H-fusion as its source of energy in 1946

      3. The British writer, George Orwell, who wrote Animal Farm to describe the rise of communism under Stalin before WWII, and then started to write “1984″ when he was dying of tuberculosis in 1946 to warn the world a new tyrannical government was coming.

      4. Joseph Kennedy, the father of John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Ted Kennedy.

      5. Senator Joseph McCarthy, the right-wing anti-communist politician whose credibility was destroyed, probably by Global Elitists.

      6. Two left-wing politicians who were assassinated in office, President John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk2.htm

      President Kennedy started the Apollo program in 1960 to protect our country from domination by the USSR’s advances in rocket and space sciences (Sputnik).

      Two right-wing politicians, Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon, agreed to end the Apollo program in 1971-72.

      Here’s the rest of the story as I now understand it on the rise and fall of the United States government and its relationship to the rise and fall of integrity in scientific research.

      http://tinyurl.com/cg69otr

      With deep regrets,
      - Oliver K. Manuel
      Former NASA Principal
      Investigator for Apollo
      http://www.omatumr.com

  • securityman

    galt, you really sound like an “EDUCATED IDIOT STUPE ” and you more than likeky voted for your hero-obummer. oh, sorry thats obama. i admit that i never went to college,my education was in serving this country.the tripe that you sound off with is what i would expect from someone like hanoa jane. but you need to remember that you live in a country where your “right” to get that education was paid for by people like myself and the others that were with me. but you can keep supporting your buddy obummer, because that is the freedom that has been bought for you by the lives of my friends and brothers-in-arms!!!!!!!!!

  • Rocky

    What a collection of Totalitarian Dictators (and Crooked Politicians) doth Illinois have !

    They have Denied their State’s residents their Second Amendment Rights for decades and are now after their citizens’ First Amendment Rights, as well !

    Remember, this State & Chicago, more specifically, is where ‘Barry’ what’s his Real Name, got his political indoctrination!

  • richard brooks

    this did not start with the current president or congress. it was not, is not, liberals attacking your freedoms.

    the loss of freedoms and rights stem from the very beginning of this country. it continues today.

    every time you support a restriction to any american, you are supporting future restrictions that will eventually include you.

    the politicians and the wealthy are aware of how easily the sheep can be led. how easily they are distracted.

    the gop and many conservatives support current restrictions on free speech and the right to bear arms.

    they only complain when they are going to be restricted.

  • richard brooks

    your right to free speech is not allowed on blogs, forums or message boards. including this one.

    • http://midciontent ridge runner

      You have to be PCed and then you allowed to answer or comment as a rino, and do not call a spade a spade, but an idoit drag line.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Today I see an increased awareness in society that a totalitarian, one-world government has taken control of the USA and probably plans to bankrupt our economy so the World Bank can loan us money and thus bring this once great nation into total submission to the United Nations.

    The same police state seems to be taking control of some South American countries, EU and Australia.

    I recommend that everyone read the synopsis of Nineteen Eighty-four (“1984″) that is still freely available on the web: http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

    That book was banned in the old USSR, and I expect it will be banned in the USA soon.

    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    PhD Nuclear Chemistry
    Post Doc Space Physics

  • v steve

    We are in a war over our country`s freedom and the enemy is Communist President barack hussein obama and the Communist in our congress and we have been losing the war for the past 4 + years. We took a big fall when Communist President barack hussein obama was reelected. If we don`t defeat them in the 2014 election we might lose the war, our freedom.

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

      Steve, the integrity of scientific research, constitutional government and religions were compromised after the United Nations was formed on 24 Oct 1945:

      Why? World leaders established the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945 to save the world and themselves from possible nuclear annihilation by:

      1.) Eliminating national boundaries and national constitutions established by citizens,

      2.) Hiding energy [1] in the cores of uranium and plutonium atoms that destroyed Hiroshima on 6 Aug 1945 and Nagasaki on 9 Aug 1945,

      3.) The same energy [1] in the core of the Sun that we now know:
      _ a.) Made our elements [2]
      _ b.) Caused the Sun to explode [3,4]
      _ c.) Birthed the Solar System 5 Gyr ago [5]
      _ d.) Sustained the origin and evolution of life after 3.5 Gyr ago [6]
      _ e.) Endowed mankind with special talents and unalienable rights to self-governance
      _ f.) Now controls a region of space greater than 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 Earths [7]

      In his farewell address to the nation in Jan 1961, President Eisenhower warned of the impending danger to our liberties from a federally financed “scientific technological elite” [8].

      Oliver K. Manuel
      Former NASA Principal
      Investigator for Apollo
      PhD Nuclear Chemistry
      Post Doc Space Physics

      [1] Oliver K. Manuel, “Neutron repulsion,” The APEIRON J. 19, 123-150 (2012): http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V19NO2pdf/V19N2MAN.pdf

      [2] P. K. Kuroda, The Origin of the Chemical Elements and the Oklo Phenomenon (Springer Publishing, 165 pages, Dec 1982): page 2.
      http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Chemical-Elements-OkloPhenomenon/dp/3540116796

      [3] O. K. Manuel and D. D. Sabu, “Strange xenon, extinct super-heavy elements, and
      the solar neutrino puzzle”, Science 195, 208-209 (1977): http://www.omatumr.com/archive/StrangeXenon.pdf

      [4] Peter Toth, “Is the Sun a pulsar?” Nature 270, 159-160 (1977):
      http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v270/n5633/abs/270159a0.html

      [5] P. K. Kuroda and W. A. Myers, “Iodine-129 and plutonium-244 in the early solar system”, Radiochim. Acta 77, 15-20 (1997).

      [6] Karo Michaelian and Oliver Manuel, “Origin and evolution of life constraints on solar models,” J. Modern Physics 2, 587-595 (2011):
      http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10640850/JMP20112600007_31445079.pdf

      [7] Oliver K. Manuel and Alberto Boretti, “Yes, the Sun is a pulsar,” Nature (submitted 12 Dec 2012) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10640850/Yes_the_Sun_is_a_pulsar.pdf

      [8} President Eisenhower’s warning about a scientific technological elite (17 Jan 1961)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOLld5PR4ts

  • Jim B

    You just got to wonder sometimes what drives the liberals, what makes them so blind to reality, it can’t be all the free stuff, free cloths, free medical, free money, free housing, free food, free Obama phone… on the other hand?

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    In 1946:

    a.) Fred Hoyle published misinformation about energy in the core of the Sun, and

    b.) George Orwell moved to the forsaken Scottish Island of Jura to write “1984″ and warn society about the tyrannical government that has engulfed our planet.

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2204

    Today there is a ray of hope from the US House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space and Technology:

    On Wednesday 6 Mar 2013 at 10:00 am the Subcommittee on Environment will hear testimony from Drs. Judith Curry (Georgia Tech), William Chameides (Duke University), and Bjørn Lomborg (Copenhagen) on “Policy-Relevant Climate Issues in Context.”

    These are credible scientists, and the hearing will be Webcast live:

    http://science.house.gov/hearing/subcommittee-environment-policy-relevant-climate-issues-context

    I wrote to wish them success – “not just for the future of science – but also for the future of civilization !

    http://judithcurry.com/2013/03/04/forthcoming-congressional-hearing/#comment-300054

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    PhD Nuclear Chemistry
    Postdoc Space Physics

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