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Our Most Dangerous Enemy

June 7, 2011 by  

Our Most Dangerous Enemy

While some conservative commentators are on the right side of most issues, they are careful to stay “in bounds.” The last thing in the world any political pundit wants is to be seen as an extremist by his colleagues.

Recently, I watched a panel of think-tank experts debate how best to solve our country’s fiscal problems. What caught my attention was that no one — not even the free-enterprise spokesmen from the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation and the Free Enterprise Institute — so much as alluded to the unConstitutionality of any of the myriad government programs that have caused these problems.

What does this mean? Simply that the far left in this country has, for all practical purposes, already succeeded in fundamentally transforming America, regardless of who the next President is. The problem is that even though many conservatives are experts when it comes to debating the factual side of fiscal issues, they seem to accept — by default — the false premise that government transfer-of-wealth programs are Constitutional.

At least one motivating force behind this sad situation is pragmatism. For example, both Dick Morris and Donald Trump have opined that Republicans are committing suicide with Paul Ryan’s proposed plan to overhaul Medicare. And they could very well be right.

Morris is a strategy genius when it comes to elections, so it’s no surprise that his opinion is based on what he believes is necessary to win the next election. I get it.

But if conservatives fear that Ryan’s addressing the single biggest fiscal problem facing the U.S. will result in re-electing a Marxist President, it says a lot about the decline of America as a virtuous nation. More to the point, it means most voters are so addicted to our redistribution-of-wealth culture that they will vote against anyone who dares to threaten that culture.

Thus, the question of Constitutionality increasingly appears to be off the table when it comes to debating major fiscal issues such as the deficit, the debt ceiling, unfunded Medicare and Social Security liabilities, and redistribution-of-wealth programs ranging from unemployment benefits to food stamps.

I was again reminded of this while watching another recent debate on the aforementioned Medicare issue, this one between Ryan and Democrat Chris Van Hollen. These two men know the numbers on Medicare inside and out, but Ryan’s approach to solving the Medicare crisis is based on free-market solutions, while Van Hollen believes in government solutions.

I have great respect for Ryan, but I was disappointed that he didn’t address the question of whether Medicare is even Constitutional. It’s as though the default position in every debate is that the program being discussed is Constitutional — even if it’s not.

Put another way, regardless of how conservative any particular participant may be, political debates are almost always based on the false premise that the Constitution is irrelevant. And as polling numbers regarding Ryan’s Medicare proposal demonstrate, more than half the nation’s voters agree with that false premise.

But there’s another subject that is avoided even more than the question of Constitutionality. In fact, it is virtually never mentioned by politicians or commentators. The subject I am referring to is dictatorship. Even if some members of Congress are knowledgeable enough about world history to be concerned about the dangers of a dictatorship befalling the U.S., they dare not mention the word out loud for fear of being labeled an alarmist or conspiracy nut.

And yet, as President Barack Obama and others on the far left know full well, that is precisely what unsustainable debt and a collapsed economy can lead to. One of the surest ways to bring about a dictatorship is through runaway inflation, which is caused by massive increases in the money supply (popularly referred to inside the Beltway as “quantitative easing”) in a frantic effort to continue paying for unsustainable government programs.

Ultimately, people become panicked, and anarchy and chaos result. The government then “has no choice” but to resort to strong-armed totalitarian measures to “restore order.”

When pundits and politicians say things like “Barack Obama will have no choice but to start dramatically cutting back on spending,” “the President is going to have to come to grips with the reality that market forces always prevail,” etc., they ignore the fact that a dictatorship can override reality with an iron fist.

For example, under a dictatorship, oil prices can be whatever the dictator (or oligarchy) wants them to be. And anyone can own a house if the government mandates that others give it to him free of charge. Just about anything is possible through the use of force.

Roll your eyes if you wish, but do yourself a favor and stay alert for a possible drastic change in the American way of life as we continue to move briskly down the road to financial ruin. Do not be deluded into believing America is immune to the same consequences that have destroyed so many other nations.

Having said this, I hasten to add that Obama and his progressive allies are not our biggest threat. In fact, they would be as hapless as were Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels if it were not for the avarice of benefit-addicted voters who have no desire to compete in the free market for their livelihoods. With this in mind, I would argue it isn’t so much that people get the government they deserve. Rather, they get the government that reflects their own values. If a majority of Americans are willing to ignore the Constitution and demand that their transfer-of-wealth largess remain intact no matter how obvious the cataclysmic long-term consequences may be, they will vote for politicians they believe are most likely to keep the government redistribution-of-wealth machine well-oiled and running.

Thus, instead of complaining about corrupt politicians, Americans need to take a good look in the mirror and start thinking long and hard about their own tainted morals, as well as what kind of nation they want to leave their children and grandchildren. While the far left is certainly an enemy of freedom, if Americans are willing to look in the mirror, they might just recognize that (to put a twist on comic-strip character Pogo’s famous quotation) the most dangerous enemy is us.

–Robert Ringer

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  • DaveH

    You want somebody who has enough courage to state that certain programs are Unconstitutional? Then watch Judge Napolitano on Fox Business Network. He tells it like it is.

    • JeffH

      Hear Hear! Judge Napolitano does not mince his words or candy coat anything.

      • TIME

        Robert,

        Saddly whats happened to all American politicians is what happenes to everything, everything dies at some point in time.

        The American Politician’s have been little more than actors in a staged play for the last 100 years. Now these actors have gained celerbity status and are lookig for Trading cards to sell the sheep they lead, we call these tradeing cards Elections.

        Thus what was once a nation that grew to a status of Greatness as well independent thinking has become dependent on a “consencus” based method of thinking. Thus the mass amount of POLLS taken.

        As well actions based on how to get re – elected rather than whats good and just. As the Media was bought and sold to the highest bidder’s who were in fact the ones with the most Money, thus all that remains is the holding of complete and Ultimate POWER over the globe for these persons the true POWER behind the curtain.
        And non DARE look.

        Thus all political figure heads are in fact little to nothing more than rotting flesh that is wasting away as they sit like good little beast ready for the feast on “POWER” they think they will gain from their masters.
        Of what if they really had any gray matter they could grasp that they will find the same fate as the mass’s they have sold out as soon as their usefullness is complete. {History repeating it’s self.}

        So Robert, your blog is rather ironic with the facts that are contained within.
        We all see what we allow our selfs to see, thus why the quasi liberals and rino’s dance a victory dance as they watch the ignorant mass’s world wide follow the paths pre set by their slave masters.

        As these persons feel that somehow their fates will be positive filled with all the Gold and riches they rape from the people whom they have inslaved after their false leadership and hollow words have all long passed.

        How sad that the American Experemint failed in such a short period of TIME, I guess what it proves without question that the 60 /40 theory was dead wrong. I again come back to I feel its really 80 / 15 / 5.

        So are the NWO leaders wrong in thinking that the worthless eaters are not worth the efforts to sustain them?
        Perhaps they are correct afterall the facts hold true that the Nation called the United States of America had it all, yet has allowed the Grace and Beauty of its concept to be destroied.
        Oddly the Mass’s not only paid thier masters to do it they also encouraged it and fought to insure that their masters would win in the end.

        Thus I conclude that the answer to, can people live with Liberty & Freedom. Well its obvious the answer is NO.
        Saddly they can’t as they would rather destroy what they have for the perceived SAFETY they crave. How sad.

        • ralph herman

          “and provide for the general welfare.”Don’t be poor and get sick in America,let the working people that have jobs pay more then by far than the rich for what they earn,oil companies are posting bigger profits and don’t hesitate to lobby for more tax breaks.Our main stay to recovery was tax the working public not all pay the same rate across,we don’t have the tax base for recovery and we are a third world with poverty,homelessness and all of the people Reagan threw out on the streets form the mental wards and institutions.Provide for what dead bodies rotting in the streets at a greater rate?Government of the People,by the people and for the people?It just won’t work with all the money involved and the greed.It is called public service cut their pay and put grafters in prison and see how many run for office.

          • Steve

            Ralph,

            I have noticed others misquote the Constitutiion. It states: “provide for the common defense and PROMOTE the general welfare.” That’s the problem with our so-called leaders. Them and the judges are always claiming the constitutionality of something. I’d for once like to here where in the Constitution their argument is sustained. Case in point, they said SB1070 in Arizona was unConstitutional because is overrides federal law. Read the 10th Amendment and it reads: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” That gives Arizona the right to pass their own immigration laws without the governments consent. In my opinion, that is the answer to the “constitutionality” of most of the arguments and lawsuits.

          • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com patriot1776

            Here are some word of authority on certain clauses of the constitution that are misconstrued and abused by today’s politicians and judges! When you read what the men who were there and helped draft and ratify the constitution said about the “general welfare clause”, or the “commerce clause”, and State sovereignty, there can no longer be any confusion as to what they were intended to mean! I have given Quotes by those on both sides of the argument in the days of ratification (Federalists and Anti-Federalists-better known then as Republicans). Since both sides agreed on these “clauses then don’t you suppose they mean what they say? I would think so but your supreme masters in black robes have decided differently.

            With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.
            -James Madison

            I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That ‘all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people’ (10th Amendment). To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specifically drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible to any definition.
            -Thomas Jefferson

            On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
            -Thomas Jefferson

            If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress. … Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.
            -James Madison

            A constitution is not the act of a government, but of a people constituting a government; and government without a constitution is power without a right. All power exercised over a nation, must have some beginning. It must be either delegated, or assumed. There are not other sources. All delegated power is trust, and all assumed power is usurpation. Time does not alter the nature and quality of either.
            -Thomas Paine

            Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.
            -Thomas Jefferson

            I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
            -James Madison

            For the power given to Congress by the Constitution does not extend to the internal regulation of the commerce of a State (that is to say, of the commerce between citizen and citizen,) which remain exclusively with its own legislature; but to its external commerce only, that is to say, its commerce with another State, or with foreign nations, or with the Indian tribes.
            -Thomas Jefferson

            No legislative act contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy (agent) is greater than his principal; that the servant is above the master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people; that men, acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid. It is not to be supposed that the Constitution could intend to enable the representatives of the people to substitute their will to that of their constituents. A Constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by judges as fundamental law. If there should happen to be a irreconcilable variance between the two, the Constitution is to be preferred to the statute
            -Alexander Hamilton

            The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests
            -Patrick Henry

            But as the plan of the [Constitutional] convention aims only at a partial union or consolidation, the State governments would clearly retain all the rights of sovereignty which they before had, and which were not, by that act, EXCLUSIVELY delegated to the United States.
            -Alexander Hamilton

            Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution
            -James Madison

            The Thirteen States are Thirteen Sovereign bodies.
            -Oliver Ellsworth

            The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.
            -Thomas Jefferson

            The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce.
            -James Madison

            The several states composing the United States of America are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes [and] delegated to that government certain definite powers and whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force. To this compact each state acceded as a state, and is an integral party, its co-states forming, as to itself, the other party. The government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself, since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution the measure of its powers.
            -Thomas Jefferson

            It is very certain that [the commerce clause] grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the non-importing, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government.
            -James Madison

            This government is acknowledged by all, to be one of enumerated powers.
            -John Marshall

            The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working under ground to undermine the foundations of our confederated fabric. They are construing our constitution from a coordination of a general and special government to a general and supreme one alone. This will lay all things at their feet… We shall see if they are bold enough to take the daring stride their five lawyers have lately taken. If they do, then… I will say, that ‘against this every man should raise his voice,’ and more, should uplift his arm.
            -Thomas Jefferson

            A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law.
            -John Marshall

            The Constitution is a written instrument. As such it’s meaning does not alter. That which it meant when adopted, it means now.
            -The Supreme Court of the United States

          • James

            Even a Patriot1776′s long-winded post implies, there’s also the “construct of language, as it was known as used by the Founders” to consider as well. In any type of discussion, whether it be formal debate or casual conversation, a certain logical pattern is evident: A person is most likely to first state their position on their opinion. Then, if more discussion is to take place, they will back up their position or opinion with whatever facts or logical reasoning they have.

            This is also how the Constitution was constructed: The Preable states the general purpose & intended goals, while the rest of the Cosntitution backs up the Preamble with specifics & particulars. There is NOTHING in the Preamble that can logically be taken as any kind of “clause of empowerment!” The main body of text AFTER the Preamble (& the Bill of Rights, when it was first ratified) are the ONLY “terms & conditions” that specifically grant or deny specific Powers to our government officers.

            It is also a Prime Maxim of Law that “if it isn’t specifically included, then it must be expressly excluded.” This is like the opposite of those old Prego spaghetti sauce commercials (“It’s in there”)…In the context of the law as it’s written, “if it ain’t in there, don’t put it in.”

            The “Progressives” (might as well call them what they are: Communists, Socialists, Statists, wannabe-dictators, etc) have gone a long way in “re-interpreting” the Constitution, because they keep “putting in in there, even though it’s NOT already in there.” such as their argument in favor of Obamacare’s individual mandate: “It’s a Right to have medical coverage.” What a load of BS!

            Another example is the over-reaching abuse of the Interstate Commerce clause that Congress keeps handy…I’ve seen a Congressman hold up a copy of it on TV, while Kagen was going through the confirmation interview for the Supreme Court bench. The Consitutional clause of “regulate commerce among the states,” by original intent & context of language, means to “make regular.” To the Founder’s that’s what the word “regulation” meant. Yet Congress has expanded that clause into a full-length, hardback NOVEL in size & scope…To include a literal takeover of waterways that border two adjoining states & “regulating” even non-commercial activity along those routes. It would be safe to say that 90% or more of that “Interstate Commerce book” can be thrown out as unconstitutional.

            Overall, in general, Robert Ringer is right when he implies that it’s OUR fault that we let the government get away with what’s happened to us over the past century…Just as Wedell Phillips has quoted, “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance; power is always stealing from the many to the few.”

      • Kate8

        Great article. Says it all.

        Hey, did you guys see where Glenn Beck is about to launch GBTV on the internet? I can’t wait to see how that pans out.

        Of course, you have to pay to see it. There’s no way I can take on another bill but, at least, you can watch it free for a month.

        I sincerely hope he is able to exercise the freedom to tell the truth as he sees it.

        • Wayne937

          Kate8, I am on Glenn Beck’s mailing list. I received this info. this morning. I hate to see Glenn leave Fox News as I always look forward to seeing him. I will follow him since I believe in him. What Glenn has said years ago is now coming true so how can we not believe what he is saying? The Libs who don’t like him do not want the truth as it hurts their agenda.

          • Kate8

            Wayne – I’m just hoping that he will now be able to tell the WHOLE truth.

            It’s not so much what is said, as what is NOT said.

            BTW, one thing that really irritates me is conservatives who practice apologetics.

          • DaveH

            It’s all about getting elected and re-elected, Kate. Principled men will not bend their Principles to be popular. That’s why I vote Libertarian. They don’t determine their Principles by popularity.

          • Kate8

            DaveH – We need more Libertarian candidates for all offices.

            How about you?

    • http://none Floyd Hardee

      At last some folks who agree with me. I have been asking everybody to give a listen to Judge Napolitano. He knows the law better than all our other candidates, he is smart, witty, and can’t be bullied.
      Now enough about him for a moment. I agree with part of Robert Ringer’s statements, but Social Security and Medicare should be constitutional or made that way. The problem is it was intended to provide additional income to your retirement plan’s income when you retired. Then medicare was to help pay for medical bills in addition to your own insurance. That is swhen the do gooders took over and started adding food stamps, free phone service, housing, paying unwed mothers to breed, and only God knows how many other giveaway programs for the lazy and slothful. If all Congressmen, all government workers had to pay into the program in order to draw from it later, and if these other giveaway programs were eliminated the program would be solid as a rock. The problem is these so called do gooders, are just trying to redistribute the wealth while buying the welfare vote. Senator Jesse Helms condemed them for stealing from the fund and putting in their so called I. O. U’s. They hated him for exposing them for what they were….a bunch of cheap petty crooks who are willing to tax and spend and buy votes to stay in power. We need someone who not only knows the law, but has enough common sense to see through their schemes. That man is Judge Andrew Napolitano!

      • DaveH

        The thing is, Floyd, that the Federal Government has never had the Constitutional power to take peoples’ money from them and invest it for their own good. So Social Security as well as Medicare are Unconstitutional. Of course it would be wrong at this point to stiff those who were forced to pay in to the system. The Government not only Unconstitutionally took our money, but they also proceeded to spend all that money that they took “for our own good”. Any citizen could have done that poorly with their own money.
        The Federal Government should shut down any future forced contributions, then shut down enough Federal Government spending to pay back the victims of those confiscations. If there isn’t enough revenue after cutting the Federal Spending, they can sell some of that 30% of our country’s land that is held by the Federal Government to make up the shortfall.

        • James

          DaveH, You are right, if the FDIC taxes had been set aside for Social Security benefits only, the Social Security Act would have been declared unconstitutional. In United States v. Butler (1936), the Agriculture Adjustment Act was declared unconstitutional because it taxed some people for the benefit of others. In that case it taxed food processors for the benefit of farmes. Because of that, the Social Security Act wasn’t structured that way. The income tax imposed in the SSA flows into the Treasury Dept. like all taxes. Last year, when the Baby Boomers started signing up for early retirement, the outgo in benefits started to exceed the income from SSA taxes. Just before that the so-called S.S. Trust Fund was replaced with Treasury bonds, which is now 17% of our national debt.

        • Disgusted

          If they would stop paying those that have never contributed a dime and stop stealing the funds for other things we would be fine. Simple rule: If you didn’t pay anything in you don’t get anything out. I have paid in my whole life, am 45 and am going to get the shaft completely. I want my money back, I could have invested it or spent it stupidly just like the government, but at least I would have spent it!
          Put some real rules and regulations on welfare and disability! If recipients had to take a drug test prior to getting their money we would probably cut the cost of those programs in half or more. I have to take and pass drug tests to make the money that pays them so why shouldn’t they have to take one and pass to get it!
          This “spread the wealth” concept really pisses me off.

          • rich hutchins

            regarding drug tests for benefits- not only would they not give a drug test to receive benefits- YOU QUALIFY FOR WELFARE BY SIMPLY BEING A DRUG ABUSER- that makes you “unable to work”! I learned that from when I was unemployed & went for welfare. I found out if I would go to drug treatment I could automatically get welfare! Now, I save my own money for myself in case I get unemployed. I do not plan to receive SS, unemployment or welfare ever. But if i become “eligible” i may accept just to get some taxes back..

      • Wayne937

        I don’t personally see anything wrong with the government providing medicare, or social security. All working people pay into it. We all get to draw it provided we live that long. I think if all the waste, and corruption could be taken out of these programs, and Congress had left it alone instead of using it for other things, it would still be solvent. We just have to have a way to remove the corruption out of medicare, plus bring down the cost of health care. If you go back for the last 25, or 30 years you will find that health care has risen about 15 to 20 percent each year while the economy was only growing anywhere from 3 to 6 percent. Where I had worked they would send me this information on how the health care cost were rising every year. Nurses are now making from $30 to $50 dollars an hour. I personally know of one young man that is working in a small hospital as an xray technician who is making 40 dollars an hours works on xray machines. I would say this is way above what most people are making. Tell me, how many of you are making that kind of money? Most folks today only makes $15 to $20 an hour. Of course there are a lot of you out there that can’t even find jobs. How do we get the health care cost down without the government getting involved? We all need health care in some way, or another, from time to time.

        • DaveH

          What is wrong with the Government providing Social Security? Nothing, if the participants are voluntary. Everything, if they are not voluntary! Imagine your neighbor, who for the sake of argument is even a financial advisor, coming to you and saying he knows best what to do with your money, so you should hand it over to him to provide for your future. That is all the people in Government are, just other people (your neighbor, for instance). It is absolutely none of their business to forcibly take your money away “for your own good”. And, on top of that theft, we can see that they haven’t even accomplished their promised goals.

          • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com patriot1776

            EXACTLY!!! I DON’T WANT TO PAY INTO SOCIAL INSECURITY!!!!!!
            I am an UNwilling participant. I NEVER voted to be taxed for it, I NEVER voted for a representative who passed the bill, I NEVER would. That is why it is immoral. If you and the people in your State want to have a program like that then go ahead! But leave me and my State OUT OF IT! I am working HARD for my money to provide for MY FAMILY and my retirement. I should NOT be forced to pay for yours because you didn’t do what was necessary! Your friends, family, churches, and local communities can help if they WANT to otherwise it’s up to you! I hate these hypocrites who claim that they believe that each person should pay their own way EXCEPT when it comes to healthcare and retirement! Be a Man or Woman and have some TRUE convictions for God’s sake.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I can only imagine, had I invested all the thousands I have fed into Social Security, into a privatized account of my choice, as to how much money I would have socked away by now for my retirement, instead of wondering if any of it is going to be there when I reach my time to draw from it. And on another front, as to how much money there should be in the Social Security Fund, had it been properly invested and the politicians kept their stinking fingers out of it. They are so quick to cry what a drain the baby boomers are on it, and uneducated people believe that, not taking into consideration these same baby boomers fed billions into for 40 to 50 years or more, when not much was being drawn out. The government saw all that money, and helped themselves to it. Now it is time to pay the piper, only they dont have to pay for their mis-deeds, we the people do. What a scam.

        • Norma

          To Wayne937, so you think all nurses are making $30 to $50 per hour. That is a misconception. I am a RN of 35 yrs, I do not make that much money. But apparently you think all nurses should make a much lower rate of pay. How is that fair? Why should a nurse with many years experience make little more than a new grad? This does happen. Many hospitals and companies cut off how much they pay. I have worked where the most experience they will credit a nurse is 13 to 15 yrs. So eventually a new grad will catch up to the seasoned nurse. Or they just stop giving raises after so many yrs & do what they call “top out” a nurse, rather than continue to reward the nurse for a job well done. Maybe the public does not want a good nurse at their bedside, a nurse who is their first line of offense or defense before the doctor. You better hope you have a skilled/knowledgable nurse watching over you. Do not start blaming the increase in healthcare on those giving care at the bedside, that is not the cause. Look at ever increasing govt oversight & regulations that cause higher costs in administration costs & billing. There are a lot of ways to cut the fat & waste, but I would not want it to be at the bedside. Most places are already cutting staff & increasing workloads for nurses in preparation for “Obamacare”. At least that is the reason they are giving.

          • Wayne937

            Norma, maybe your living in the wrong part of the country. I know a friend whose wife was making $18.00 an hour 15 to 20 years ago. My daughter works in a hospital, and she says nurses make that much so I believe her. Anyway I agree that nurses, teachers and law enforcement officers deserves a good salary, within reason, that it. Everyone’s job is important. I believe everyone should earn a decent living.

          • DaveH

            Salary should be based on supply and demand. Otherwise everybody would want to do the enjoyable jobs, and nobody would want to do the dirty work. Personally, I want to make $40/hr. doing gardening jobs :)

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I hear ya Dave. I want to make 50 bucks an hour sitting in a boat fishing, but it aint gonna happen. But I can dream.

        • Kate8

          Wayne937 – What’s wrong with it is that is was never meant to be government’s job to make sure we saved for the future. It was another step toward insuring that we look to BigBro for everything.

          In quoting the facts about rising healthcare costs, you have ignored the process that got us here. It was all part of the scheme, meticulously planned and executed.

          We were much healthier when we relied on nutririous food and healthy living rather than drugs. With the advent and promotion of junk food and reckless lifestyles, we came to be addicted to doctors who promised that if you take this pill, you’ll feel better. Now everyone absolutely believes that medical care is a universal necessity. It’s only a pebble’s throw from a necessity to a “right”.

          The rising costs were part of the plan, too. Just 3 decades ago, I could take my kids to see a doctor for $7.00. Then the malpractice suits started up, and costs skyrocketed while lawyers got rich. Then, a whole new industry started up: insurance. And not just for health, but EVERYTHING. Very clever move on their parts. We didn’t see it coming. Now we’re really caught.

          It turns out that medical care is the vehicle for the final total enslavement of our minds and bodies. Brilliant!

          Don’t you see that without government stepping in to insure all of our needs, we’d have done what people have always done? We’d have figured it out ourselves, and would have been better for it. We’d have learned how to stay healthy, and to take responsibility for it. At least, we’d have the freedom to make our own choices, and the medical market would do what everything else is supposed to do: rely on market competition. They’d have explored things that actually work without harm. What it has become is an enforcement arm of government.

          We must think things through from the beginning instead of thinking everything has followed a natural progression. It has been a gross manipulation, and we walked right into it.

          • Kate8

            BTW, If you read the actual history of allopathic medicine in this country, especially beginning with Rockefeller, you will be shocked.
            It was never meant to be about healing. It was meant to create a huge, staggeringly profitable pharmaceutical industry, and to enslave people to it.

            It was all to be based on pharmaceuticals, and doctors were trained to dispense them. And it was to turn people away from natural forms of healing and make us dependent on them, relying only on “experts”.
            They got started on us young, too, administering vaccinations within hours of birth, which begin altering DNA and assuring that our brains are never quite as sharp as they would otherwise be.

          • DaveH

            Kate is right, but I want to expand a few of her points.
            1) With the baby-boomers reaching retirement age, count on Government using the “Social Security” weapon every time the people scream for less Government spending. By allowing ourselves to become dependent on Social Security, Government can now use it against us every time their spending gets out of control and we try to reign it in. They’ve already been using that weapon by threatening to cut back on SS if the Debt Ceiling isn’t raised. That money should have been put in a fund in the first place, a fund untouchable by Government. Can you imagine the gall of these Politicians? First they take our money against our will “for our own good”, then they spend the money, then they use it as a weapon against us when we desire less Government Spending!
            2) What can Government possibly do to make our Healthcare system cheaper? They can’t outlaw sickness. They can’t force Doctors to work for less (they’ll just quit and do some other kind of work). All they can do is hire more Government employees to meddle in the Doctor/Patient relationships. Just what we need, Government, which can’t run Social Security, can’t run the Post Office, can’t run Amtrak, can’t run Fannie Mae or Freddie Mack. But they think they can run the healthcare system? How can adding more Government employees to the system make it cheaper? It can’t.
            Those who have bought into Big Government being the solution are in for a very rude awakening.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Your right Kate8.Social security was never meant to be a retirement plan, it was meant to be a security blanket incase a husband died and the wife needed help financially, and things like that. But people decided to blow all their money during their lives, and plan on living on social security paychecks, and there is coming a time, where they are not going to be there, because of the government taking this money out and stealing it. They stole it, and had no business touching it. It was to be paid it, and drawn out by those who paid in. But then they decided to spend it as they please, to dip into it for other things, to give it to illegal aliens to help them break the law, and just all kinds of stupid, stupid things, because they saw this big pile of money, and werent smart enough to realize that hey, all these people that paid in are going to be drawing out one day. Or they didnt care. Probably the latter.

      • Wayne937

        I agree with you, Floyd Hardee. I love to watch the Judge.

      • m steffen

        As long as we can steal from others for Social Security and Medicare then you have no moral stand to be against any of the rest of the welfare scams.

        Social Security was a welfare scam from the beginning and was sold as insurance because they knew that Americans were still moral enough that they wouldn’t have accepted if the truth was told.

    • Stan Lee

      Dave H & Jeff H:

      I agree about Judge Napolitano wholeheartedly! I had heard of “Fox Business Channel” long before I had inadvertantly tuned to it. It was quite by mistake as my intention was to get the next channel, Fox News. It was a very fortunate mistake because on that night I became a Judge Napolitano fan.
      Here’s a man who tells it like it really is, he sorts the constitutional from the unconstitutional, and it is so telling how far left this nation has allowed itself to go quite unconsciously.
      For a quick course on what is and what isn’t, our constitutional champion is Judge Napolitano!
      I hope more citizens will tune to his program, we all have much to learn about our Constitution.

      • Wayne937

        I enjoy FBN as well. A lot of people never watch it because they are too busy watching their favorite soaps, or other programs of some kind. I don’t get the Fox Business News on Comcast in Pa. I go to Fl. for 6 months out of the year so I get it down there through Brighthouse. I agree, Judge Napolitano is really good and know the law and the Constitution. All folks should listen to him. I think most folks would if they would only give him a chance. Then again, when I tell people I like Foxnews they frown. I think they are the stupid ones, not me.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Is he any relation to Janet Napolitano? They seem to be from two different political spectrums, but that is not a very common name.

    • Fred

      Thanks Dave for your short but accurate portrayal of Judge Napoliano.
      I would add that together with Ron Paul, who has a tremendous following among Constitutionalists, they could make a great possible
      team. Ron Paul is very unpopular among most of our Congress because his votes are based solely on Constitutional principals. He is probably the only true statesman left because he simply will not compromise his principles. I suggest that readers here search out
      his voting record which is the only real key to determining a candidate’s honesty and ability to run this once great Republic.

      Simply do a search on Ron Paul and you will find a number of websites
      you can visit in order to determine Ron Paul’s principles.
      Essentially he wants to return our government to one which follows
      The Constitution by eliminating the powerful federal reserve and the many overeaching federal agencies that are currently strangling our
      people’s freedoms one by one according to Communist Ideology.

      Come look and listen to a true patriot who along with Judge Napolitano
      could lead us out of Progressivism in all its forms and help our citizens to again enjoy true liberty in a relatively unregulated economy.

      Fred

      • r.p.

        Here, Here!! Well said. I agree with you, “Ron and the Judge”. What possibilities those two could create. They both have stellar records, but look at the MSM. According to them Sarah’s latest excapades and Weiner’s “Twits” get the bulk of the political news. How sad.

    • patrick H.T. paine

      “To conquer, first divide.”

      “and the TRUTH shall set you FREE!” and the TRUTH is nowhere in evidence, because the idea that anything government does could possibly be “unconstitutional” or that ANYONE in the public eye is
      telling the TRUTH……about why, here or elsewhere, is incorrect.

      The adoption of the UCC by the feds and states effectively ended any
      need to pay attention to any part of the constitution, so what exists
      is only an “allusion” to it, when deemed politically expedient or useful, and this includes the Paul Clan.

      People who have attempted to tell the truth and educate others are in
      jail or being persecuted and the infomation marginalized, as with
      the recent note of the “sovereign citizen” movement which 60 Minutes
      felt compelled to address ( yes it’s tax time folks ) recently.

      Whether you like it or not, you volunteered and your “ignorance” is no
      excuse……and even if knew where to find what you needed, and actually have the courage to act on it…….everything is rigged against you, so that the best you can hope to accomplish, is to free
      yourself and this will be entirely by your own devices, and no sure thing. ( btw since this is largely a legal strategy with very precise
      tactics, legal documents, motions, etc. what better source of navigation and advice than a JUDGE who knew the TRUTH….and as much
      as I have appreciated what Judge Napolitano has written, where is he
      on THIS ISSUE, because as a JUDGE, he had to be aware of UCC 1-207
      jurisdictional challenges, common law, Article One, section ten, and
      so forth. )

      Things are so bad in the “courts”, that my last foray into muni court,
      resulted in the “judge” responding to my UCC lack of jurisdiction
      motion, by citing the Tenth Ammendment as his argument for denying it.
      ( he did this, on his own ( although interestingly the prosecutor attempted the same argument, but the judge didn’t bother to read his response before ruling and stated so on the record )

      Immediately after the judge made this ruling, I asked him directly if
      I was in a “common law court”, to which he responded no, but the refused to answer my question as to what kind ( jurisdiction ) of court I WAS in? Since the Constitution in Article Three permits only
      law, equity, admiralty and maritime jurisdictions, his ruling basically said that the tenth ( article of ) ammendment, gave him
      ( the state ) the right to “create” another jurisdiction, which he
      was not required to identify, but which I was subject to…..regardless. the rest of what happenned after this is more bizarre…..but I shall spare you all the details.

      The point, here is a simple one…….abuse of power is encouraged by
      willfull ignorance….and it must be fought at every turn, at every level…..and if it’s any consolation, it is safer at the lower level,
      the risks are less, as you educate yourself….if you can’t be bothered……well I will end, as always.

      “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls……..”

  • s c

    For the unitiated, all you need to do is STOP looking for that which you ‘want,’ and see what you need to see. That assumes that you can rise above the stench of mere politics, know the difference between right and wrong (something the White House crew rarely thinks about), and be a citizen who cares more about America than 99% of the schmucks who get elected and wind up in Washington.
    Herr Obummer’s approach involved wrapping himself in the instrument that he’s trying to destroy [the Constitution, i. e.]. Mental defectives see the Constitution as a “living” document. Of course, what they say and what they mean are two different things. They just can’t bring themselves to ADMIT it.
    Go judge, go! Thank God we still have such people in America. I’m amazed he can appear on TV and say what needs to be said.

    • OneCitizenOfTheRepublic

      The recent revelations of a certain Democrat from NY tend to be the best example of what I am about to try to explain…

      Cheap grace…”I confess, therefore I am absolved.”

      Read Dietrich Bonhoeffer and find out why some Americans have been seduced by a complete lack of character, lacking basic understanding and comprehension of moral values, honor, duty, obligations, and responsibilities of both national citizenship, and Christian discipleship.

      The progressives have long preached that there should be separation of “church” and “state.” However, I don’t see much difference between their public political lives and their private spiritual lives. And why should we expect to see a difference? Why would anyone expect that one’s spiritual beliefs would not be reflected in their public lives?

      Just as “cheap grace” leads to damnation for Christians, so does cheap citizenship…the half-hearted, apathetic pseudo- citizenship, one divested of honor, duty, obligations, and responsibilities.

      Remember when you were young and you were taught that our nation’s leaders should be above reproach, and serve as an example for the youth of our nation to look up to and to follow?

      There was a time when the majority of our elected leaders were good examples…but lately, you have to ask…where did they go?

      “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil:
      God will not hold us guiltless.
      Not to speak is to speak.
      Not to act is to act.”
      Deitrich Bonhoeffer

      “The ultimate test of a moral society
      is the kind of world that it leaves to its children.”
      Deitrich Bonhoeffer

      “I am concerned for the security of our great nation,
      not so much because of any threat from without,
      but because of the insidious forces working from within.”
      General Douglas MacArthur

      Psalm 127:1b
      Unless the Lord watches over the city,
      the watchman stays awake in vain.

      2 Chronicles 7:14
      if My people, who are called by My name,
      shall humble themselves
      and pray,
      and seek My face
      and turn from their wicked ways,
      then will I hear from heaven,
      and will forgive their sin
      and will heal their land.

      2 Timothy 3:1- 9 – But understand this,
      that is the last days there will come times of difficulty.
      For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud,
      arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful,
      unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control,
      brutal, not loving god, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit,
      lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
      having the appearance of godliness but denying its power.

      Avoid such people. For among them are those who
      creep into households and capture weak women,
      burdened with sins and led astray by various passions,
      always learning and never able to arrive at a
      knowledge of the truth.

      Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses,
      so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted
      in mind and disqualified regarding the faith.

      But they will not get very far,
      for their folly with be plain to all,
      as was that of those two men.

      Deuteronomy 16:19
      You shall not pervert justice.
      You shall not show partiality,
      and you shall not accept a bribe,
      for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise
      and subverts the cause of the righteous.

      Deuteronomy 4:5-9 –
      See, I have taught you statutes and rules,
      as the Lord my God commanded me,
      that you should do them in the land that you are entering
      to take possession of it.

      Keep them and do them,
      for that will be your wisdom and your understanding
      in the sight of the peoples,
      who, when they hear all these statutes will say,
      ‘Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people’

      For what great nation is there that has
      a god so near to it as the Lord our God is to us,
      whenever we call upon him?

      And what great nation is there, that has statutes and rules
      so righteous as all this law that I set before you today?
      Only take care, and keep your soul diligently,
      lest you forget the things that your eyes have seen,
      and lest they depart from your heart all the days of your life.

      Make them known to your children and your children’s children.

      • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

        Amen.

      • Kate8

        OCOTR – Thank you for that great post.

        What people fail to understand is that God’s Ways are the way to success and prosperity, peace and honor for one another. It’s the path to greatness, both individually and as a nation. He has given us principles that never fail when practiced from the heart, as we are always cognizant that life is all about give-and-take, and working together to promote the wellbeing of all.

        Remember the local store owner whose first concern was to offer the best product/service at the best price, and stood behind it?

        When we turn our backs on these principles, the result is always the same: decay and corruption unto death.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        There is a way to man which seems right, and it is the way of death. But the word of God lives forever.

  • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

    If you have nowhere else to go than the two parties then why are you voting?
    Both parties allow Islamists to inter by the half million and growing a year.
    Both parties allow Latinos to inter by the millions a year.
    Both parties allow a million more from other nations.

    That’s at least three million new comers a year folks. US citizens have had a zero population growth for decades yet we swelled from 274 million to 312 million in eight short years!

    Both parties allow the very real overpopulation threat.
    Both parties allow the death of the American culture and view it as the death of racism.
    Both parties allow the global warning myth to live on.
    Both parties allow Judeo-Christian values to be stripped from governing bodies.
    Both parties allow the creeping police state.

    I can go on for days, especially on details. The Pubs and Dems will deny or support these facts based on hair splitting lip service or false sense of security including racism.

    Replace the parties with citizens that can be immediately removed by citizens and never serve for a life time. We must take control ourselves. Please join with us at Goooh.com you might be able to click on my name. This will take you to my link page that links to Goooh.com, NumbersUSA.com and SBA-list.org.

    P.S. Have you heard of “you cut” @ http://majorityleader.gov/YouCut/.

    • http://none Floyd Hardee

      Most of your statements are right on the mark, except we really do have global warming. I am a old man and have seen the changes myself. My father before me and many of the older men I grew up with told me of what it was like when they were growing up. The earth in general is warming. The population is growing and we need population control.I once caught fish in great abundance in many rivers and lakes, but no more! We need to reestablish green vegetative borders along our waterways. We need to stop cutting down our forest to build more, and more houses. What we need to do is remodel them and to build taller houses that will accomadate more folks on a smaller piece of land. We also need to stop using up our farm land. Developers are gobbling it up. As fuel prices rise and our land base shrinks there will soon be shortages of food. You will experience sharply rising prices not only at the gas pump but at your local food stores. Don’t fight using alternative energy, it will force the big oil companies to use it and reduce pollution while lowering fuel prices. We need to have the Feds lower taxes on fuel while demanding big oil companies to use blended fuels.

      So, I agree with you on many of the points you have made. Both parties are mostly enterested in gaining power and staying in office. It is up to us to keep their feet to the fire until they start doing their jobs!

      • DaveH

        Floyd,
        Anthropomorphic Global Warming is a hoax. You can read any of several books by Christopher Horner to learn the facts about that political football. You can also do some study at this site:
        http://climatedepot.com/

        All you need to do is think a little about it. Water vapor is the predominant Greenhouse Gas (by far). When the earth warms the oceans warm, more water vapor goes into the air which would create more warming. If the warming theories were correct then it would result in a natural spiral upward until we all steamed like lobsters. Clearly there are natural forces in effect that prevent such occurrence. The sun is the predominant factor in any warming or cooling cycles on this earth.

        • Dan az

          Dave
          He is a plant for agenda 21.Lost cause to say the least.

        • Wayne937

          DaveH, I agree with you on this. I heard a top notch climatologist on TV saying that weather is cyclic, and has been occuring like this over thousands of years. I am one who thinks al Gore is an individual who is only wanting to make money off the poor people who can’t afford higher energy cost. I don’t like those self serving people who like to be a leach on the poor people. We certainly have enough of them in Congress and else where.

          • Kate8

            Not to mention that scientists say that ALL of the planets in our solar system are warming. That would indicate that it is the SUN, not anything we are doing. And that nothing we do can stop it.

            Cycles. Things warm, they cool, they warm again. It’s gone on eternally.

          • Dan az

            You see, the real agenda behind Sustainable Development has nothing to do with protecting the environment. It is about controlling the natural resources. If the resources are controlled, the people are controlled. The screws are already tightening on us. Does it make any sense that we must use poisonous, difficult to dispose of, fluorescent lighting in kitchens now? These things should be a personal choice. No doubt in time the use of all natural resources will be highly regulated.

            Of course, as in the old Soviet Union, not everyone will be required to live the peasant lifestyle. Those who play along will be rewarded. But the reward will only be a temporary one. It comes down to “the end justifies the means”. The “useful idiots” will be in for a big surprise when they realize the noose they helped to tie will be placed around their own necks.

            Problem is, most of the Think Global, Act Local socialists realize that most adults are smart enough to see through their utopian pipe dreams. Their solution? Brainwash the school children. It’s not education anymore. It’s indoctrination. That’s why it’s so important to have good teachers in the system. The local Packard Foundation (billions of dollars in assets at last check) funds a great many projects related to Sustainable Development. The next generation is being prepared to live in a new controlled society where people are discouraged from reaching their personal best. All this is being done with the help of our tax money. For the life of me I can not comprehend that there is still some one out there that still believes global warming exist.But what do I know,you voted for the very ones that want to destroy this nation and probably still believe in the tooth fairy.Why don’t you go back to your boss and tell him that you need to research the truth a bit and by all means give him your money back because you surly don’t deserve it.Be gone Troll.

          • DaveH

            Speaking of poisonous, Dan, here are the guidelines for cleaning up a broken CFL bulb (which they are forcing us into next year):
            http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup.html

            These people are ridiculous. They need to get out of our life choices. They can’t even manage their own (e.g. Anthony Weiner), but they want to manage ours.

          • Dan az

            Dave
            Manage is not the word its more like control.

        • patrick H.T. paine

          “To conquer, first divide.”

          More evaporation, means more clouds, which means greater albedo, which means water as a green house gas is a self correcting problem,
          and not a problem. ( warmer oceans is another story )

          This science is OLD and despite the oil company whores, and the ignorant what little denialbility is left will be gone within a decade. Of course, in an overpopulated world seeking to mimic the
          present life style of the developed world with it’s unsustainable practices, ten years is a LONG time…..and it’s a basket case now.

          You all should just stick with what you know, name calling, logical fallacies, and it’s the other parties fault……

          Everything you know is about to change and the choices are stark,
          a complete collapse or a massive, directed adaptation to reality.
          The first means you get to survive until the food and ammo runs out
          and the second choice is one that we have never experienced…..for the old and soon to be dead it won’t matter…..

          Be fun to see what this site will be selling then…..

          “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…….”

          • DaveH

            For those who want to learn, rather than listen to the Big Government sycophants spout their double-speak:
            http://climatedepot.com/

        • Al Sieber

          DaveH, good post on “Global Warming”.

          • patrick H.T. paine

            “To conquer, first divide.”

            Sorry Dave, but the government whores used to be Bush’s, and they denied the effects…..although they kinda weakened at the end.

            Let’s dump all the language that is ill defined, and deal with the
            SCIENCE……what we are talking about is the Green House Effect, of
            CO2 examined by S. Arrhenius in 1904. Just taking this gas alone,
            we learn…..

            His calculations demonstrated that if the atmosphere had no carbon dioxide, the surface temperature of the Earth would fall about 21 degrees Celsius, and that this cooler atmosphere would contain less water vapor, resulting in an additional temperature decrease of approximately 10 degrees Celsius. It is important to note that Arrhenius was not very concerned with rising carbon dioxide levels at the time, but rather was attempting to find an explanation for high latitude temperature changes that could be attributed to the onset of the ice ages and interglacial periods.

            What comes next, is the Runaway Greenhouse Effect, which occurs at
            .oo6 or 600 parts/million……

            Today’s CO2 highest in 15 million years, new research finds
            Published Friday, 9th October 2009

            The last time our planet’s atmospheric carbon dioxide levels were as high as they are today? Try 15 million years ago.

            That according to research, published this week in the journal Science, by scientists at the University of California Los Angeles (UCLA).

            “The last time carbon dioxide levels were apparently as high as they are today — and were sustained at those levels — global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today, the sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher than today, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic and very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland,” said the paper’s lead author, Aradhna Tripati, a UCLA assistant professor in the department of Earth and space sciences and the department of atmospheric and oceanic sciences.

            “Carbon dioxide is a potent greenhouse gas, and geological observations that we now have for the last 20 million years lend strong support to the idea that carbon dioxide is an important agent for driving climate change throughout Earth’s history,” Tripati said.

            By analysing the chemistry of bubbles of ancient air trapped in Antarctic ice, scientists have been able to determine the composition of Earth’s atmosphere going back as far as 800,000 years, and they have developed a good understanding of how carbon dioxide levels have varied in the atmosphere since that time. But there has been little agreement before this study on how to reconstruct carbon dioxide levels prior to 800,000 years ago.

            Before coming to UCLA Tripati was part of a research team at the UK’s University of Cambridge that developed a new technique to assess carbon dioxide levels in the much more distant past — by studying the ratio of the chemical element boron to calcium in the shells of ancient single-celled marine algae. Tripati has now used this method to determine the amount of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere as far back as 20 million years ago.

            “We are able, for the first time, to accurately reproduce the ice-core record for the last 800,000 years — the record of atmospheric C02 based on measurements of carbon dioxide in gas bubbles in ice,” Tripati said. “This suggests that the technique we are using is valid.”

            She continued, “We then applied this technique to study the history of carbon dioxide from 800,000 years ago to 20 million years ago. We report evidence for a very close coupling between carbon dioxide levels and climate. When there is evidence for the growth of a large ice sheet on Antarctica or on Greenland or the growth of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean, we see evidence for a dramatic change in carbon dioxide levels over the last 20 million years.

            “A slightly shocking finding,” Tripati added, “is that the only time in the last 20 million years that we find evidence for carbon dioxide levels similar to the modern level of 387 parts per million was 15 to 20 million years ago, when the planet was dramatically different.”

            Levels of carbon dioxide have varied only between 180 and 300 parts per million over the last 800,000 years — until recent decades, said Tripati, who is also a member of UCLA’s Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics. It has been known that modern-day levels of carbon dioxide are unprecedented over the last 800,000 years, but the finding that modern levels have not been reached in the last 15 million years is new.

            Prior to the Industrial Revolution of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the carbon dioxide level was about 280 parts per million. That figure had changed very little over the previous 1,000 years. But since the Industrial Revolution, the carbon dioxide level has been rising and is likely to soar unless action is taken to reverse the trend.

            “During the Middle Miocene (the time period approximately 14 to 20 million years ago), carbon dioxide levels were sustained at about 400 parts per million, which is about where we are today,” Tripati said. “Globally, temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit warmer, a huge amount.”

            Tripati’s new chemical technique has an average uncertainty rate of only 14 parts per million.

            “We can now have confidence in making statements about how carbon dioxide has varied throughout history,” she said.

            In the last 20 million years, key features of the climate record include the sudden appearance of ice on Antarctica about 14 million years ago and a rise in sea level of approximately 75 to 120 feet.

            “We have shown that this dramatic rise in sea level is associated with an increase in carbon dioxide levels of about 100 parts per million, a huge change,” Tripati said. “This record is the first evidence that carbon dioxide may be linked with environmental changes, such as changes in the terrestrial ecosystem, distribution of ice, sea level and monsoon intensity.”

            Today, the Arctic Ocean is covered with frozen ice all year long, an ice cap that has been there for about 14 million years.

            “Prior to that, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic,” Tripati said.

            Some projections show carbon dioxide levels rising as high as 600 or even 900 parts per million in the next century if no action is taken to reduce carbon dioxide. Such levels may have been reached on Earth 50 million years ago or earlier, said Tripati, who is working to push her data back much farther than 20 million years and to study the last 20 million years in detail.

            More than 50 million years ago, there were no ice sheets on Earth, and there were expanded deserts in the subtropics, Tripati noted. The planet was radically different.

            Co-authors on the Science paper are Christopher Roberts, a PhD student in the department of Earth sciences at the University of Cambridge, and Robert Eagle, a postdoctoral scholar in the division of geological and planetary sciences at the California Institute of Technology.

            The research was funded by UCLA’s Division of Physical Sciences and the United Kingdom’s National Environmental Research Council.

            So Dave, this is just one gas……atmospheric methane, has an additive effect which is 20x more potent……..the good part is,
            it only takes about 20 years to disapate…….

            Do not confuse SCIENCE with the political agenda’s of the get re-elected crowd……..as noted previously, within the decade what is
            left of the “deniers”, will have have changed to….”it has always
            been obvious.” Fortunately, there are people planning for this in a
            positive way, and interestingly enough, it does offer positive economic benefits…..so take your own advice: read and learn.

            My recommendation is: The Great Disruption

            “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls………”

      • Conservative at Birth

        What you are espousing is totalitarian socialism. Population Control is exactly what the Communists practice, and what many in the current administration believe in. Are you suggesting that we use forced steriliazation, forced abortions, and euthinasia to accomplish your goals? You say you are an old man. Are you willing to be put to sleep to reduce the population? You are either a fool or you have been duped.

        • OneCitizenOfTheRepublic

          There is a huge difference between enforcing immigration laws and “forced sterization” You sure sound like a Progressive plant to me. Pass state income tax…you must be living in dream land. Texas has no state income tax, and that is why peoples from all over the rest of the United States are moving here.

          You need to go back to MSNBC where the coolaide is more your flavor

          • Kate8

            I have yet to see anyone who is in favor of population reduction volunteer to be first.

          • Dan az

            I would be glad to help in anyway possible.

      • Dagney

        Please enlighten us all as to what you are referring to as “population control”? I think the democrats are busy setting that up with their Obamacare death panels (IPAB – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Payment_Advisory_Board ) and their promotion/protection of abortion. So, if you believe in the global warming HOAX and want population control, you are obviously one of the sheeple or a Democrat operative.

        If over-population really is a problem, how do you reconcile the fact that if you took every living person on this planet and gave them 1,000 square feet, they could all live side by side in Texas and still have room in that state for more? Where is the over-population? Oh, some people then say, “it’s not over-population per se… it’s the lack of resources!” LOL, when one theory gets blown up in their face, they have to come up with still more baloney.

        If you’re just a dupe, please start doing some reading before repeating ignorant liberal talking points. We all need to keep our critical thinking skills about us and USE THEM!

        • TIME

          Dagney,

          The HCR bill you must understand what it really is, then everything will fall into place with all that is going on.
          Think of this as a large puzzel if your missing the KEY pieces than it just fails to make any sence no matter how hard you try and figure it out.

          The HCR Bill opened the door for the following; “TOTAL CONTROL” of every aspect of your life from birth to gave, How you may ask?

          *Congress can now pass laws that demand, what you can buy, how much you can buy, where you can live, what you can wear, what you can eat.
          Please look into UN Agenda 21 then this will all start to come together.

          Also keep in mind that the HCR bill also totaly removes the 5th amendment in plain words YOU are GUILTY if you don’t do as your told and there are no outs the BOX is even smaller and there are no legal holes anylonger. This bill is not about health care reforms, its the KEY point in the blue print to the NWO’s rules of life, thats why it was passed and for no other reason.Its also why the RepO have done little to defund it nor remove it, it was all just a show to get you to think they are on your slde.

          Also it takes away the states rights as well dissolves all the states Constitutions 9 / 10 Amendments.
          Thus making way for the North American Union, look up what that is, a quick overview is the NAU is one of the branches of the NWO.
          We already see the EU how well is that working out?

          Look WW II was a blue print to the NWO. Both World Wars were created to advance the cause and create weapons that would make it possible to bring about a NEW World Order that could last and beat any one who trys and stop it.
          Just look at what we have advanced to as of today now look at 1900 and compare.
          As of today you can be found at any time any place with any of the following; a Cell Phone, A car, GPS on your home by way of the census, Passport, your computer, Drivers Licence, and Satellite tracking, anyone recall Rayguns Star Wars?
          Well now you should better understand what that was all about it was about Total Global Control.

          Be all that as it may I believe that the NWO leaders have infact been able to clone themselfs – now don’t laugh but thats all they needed to finish up the end game. As in when your not needed anylonger.
          Now think about abortions why were they needed, to gain stem cells? To gain a better understaning of HAR 1 and all the codes contained within?
          You bet your ass thats what it was all about, What was the Space Shuttle all about? Look into why genrtic scientest were involved with the program, do you really buy that it was to study the effects of space on humans?
          How about there are “NO LAWS” in space thus Cloning would be 100% Legal.

          Folks when I say you have to really step way out of the box to understand all this I mean your not even near a box, you really have to expand past what was on the tellie last night.
          Or who’s team is better, what taste better a Buger or Tunafish?
          Get out of your box’s or you will never see anything and its all sitting right there in plain sight, but you have to open your eyes! You have to think in your deep brain tissue not whats the NOW.
          You must also forget everything you have ever learned as there is very little of it that has any real value.

          • Kate8

            TIME – There is no doubt that things are not as they seem.

            BTW, a fellow called in on my radio show last night (they were talking about what it would be like if the power-grid goes down) and said that he shuts down the power to his house from time to time so he can clear his mind. He said that when he does that, it’s like coming out of a trance. His mind clears and he feels better.

            Interesting how many modern diseases appeared when we became dependent on electricity in our homes. It’s actually disruptive to our own bioenergetic systems.

            We are already totally controlled.

          • Dan az

            Time
            You are spot on, they are in control of every aspect of our lives.Even in the health bill, they are using it to finance their brown shirts.You know the one that you have to pass before you read it.If every one would just read Agenda 21 they would see what is going on behind their backs.Some days I feel we are just doomed to the ignorance of society and the lack of will to change the way things are going.People this is not a conspiracy theory its the facts.Open your eyes its in front of you and your going to get what you deserve if you don’t stand up now.

          • Kate8

            Dan az – It seems that we are doomed by the ignorance of society.

            It has been designed so that we no longer form close, genuine relationships with people. We don’t gather with our neighbors for potlucks, or even just talk over the backyard fence. When I was a kid, the neighbors would come over in the eve and talk and tell stories. We cared about each other, and helped each other.

            Nowdays, it seems the slightest disagreements divide us, and we walk away from friendships and marriages and hardly look back.

            Our lack of bonding is what keeps us from becoming unified. We are unorganized and weak, left to blog to vent our frustrations.

            It is up to US to change that. How likely do you think that is? What if we or our neighbors we being hauled off by the brownshirts? What would we do? Most likely, stand and watch, shaking our heads. Or hiding.

          • Dan az

            Kate
            The funny thing is when I moved out here in the boondocks my neighbors became family like in the old days.When I first moved into the city here I didn’t even know the name of the people that only lived 5 ft away.As far as the brown shirts even coming in here is very unlikely,let alone hauling someone off.Thats why they will just have to bury me here, BTW its legal here where we live.I could only stand the city for a year because of the robberies every night,sooner or later they where going to have to arrest me for shooting them.It seems that society has become a septic system that is in need of a honey dipper.

          • Al Sieber

            Dan az, that’s why I don’t live in cities, the closest town to me, population 80 people, is too big. you know where I live, and off the grid too.

      • Carlucci

        “Global warming” is a scheme and a hoax cooked up by a criminal politician – not a scientist. It is designed to add more taxes and restrictions to an already over taxed and restricted world. The earth is changing all of the time and has been for centuries. I cannot believe anyone believes in “global warming”.

      • Al Sieber

        Floyd, the sun controls the weather and there’s a lot of sun spot activity lately. where I live in Ariz. it’s usually 79 or 80 when I get up in the morning this time of year, lately it’s been around 61- 65 degrees in the morning. Global warming is a hoax, the earth goes through changes on it’s own.

        • Dan az

          Hey Al
          You got that right,Its june and this morning its 50 here.This clown believes in agenda 21 and is here to spread his crap.What a waste of skin.In fact why dosent he just stop breathing and help out their cause.

          • Carlucci

            Dan az – I think you are right. Now we have another “plant” and he sure sounds like an Agenda 21 groupie. These stupid morons who go to conservative blogs are nothing but garbage wrapped in skin.

          • Kate8

            At least we are becoming able to recognize them right away.

          • eddie47d

            Global Warming/Climate Change is no hoax. It may have been over played or under played depending which side you are on but it is happening. Sure the sun comes up every morning and the moon comes out at night so you think everything is normal and you go about your business. The earth has changed rapidly in the last 15 years more so than in the previous 6,000 years. That’s an enormous difference in such a short period of time.That is why it is called climate change and it is important we look into the rapid changes in the Arctic and Greenland and glacier melting all over the world. More intense flooding and tornado’s Could Be be brought by these changes and is worth considering. That doesn’t mean this flooding is a fact but then again it could very well be. There is a lot of conjecture being thrown around and all sides need to be listened to.

          • JeffH

            eddie says “Global Warming/Climate Change is no hoax”. Up to a point I can agree. It is the premise that global warming/climate change is man made that is the hoax.

            The hoax in global warming/climate change is that it has made many men very rich in a short period of time, using the environmental extremists as their puppets, to carry their message. That is the hoax! Can you say Maurice Strong and Al Gore? Carbon cedits?

            Even I’m laughing now! :)

          • JeffH

            …I do have to add “global cooling” in the mix…is global cooling man made too?

          • Dan az

            eddiee
            Seriously dude you need to get out more often.The earth goes through cycles and we have been going though one for the last couple hundred yrs now.It was a mini ice age and we are returning to it now.The agenda 21 is just the way they are going to control all aspects of your life.Get over it know matter what you think or dont think isn’t going to change that.The earth has shifted 12 degrees and the weather is going to change with it.The fact that the oil spill in the gulf is changing the warm currents in the atlantic and are going to change the way our weather will be.The fact that any human involvement has made these changes by way of cars,over population,ect.is absurd to say the least.If anything its the dumbing down of the masses that believe this world is that small to have and effect on climate.The butterfly effect comes to mind or the if a tree fell in the forest would you hear it thing.Ever sense the internet the world has become this tiny little space that even cow farts effect the climate.Give me a break.Read the truth about what is in play read what bush enacted with just a stroke of the pen and what obumer has done to steal the liberties of even you.

          • Kate8

            Well, eddie pipes up on cue with nothing less than expected. But then, he’s a true believer, with nary a thought of his own.

            Last year’s summer here was cooler than usual, and here it is June and the sun finally peeked through this morning. We’ve had temperatures in the 30s, 40s and 50s (it’s usually very warm by now)and constant rain and snow.

            I haven’t even been able to get my garden in yet.

            I wish the global warming would hurry up. I’d like to shut down the heater for the season. I usually do that in March or April.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; It’s a fact that the Koch Bros have invested millions in getting folks to deny climate change. So who is influencing you? Global Cooling? Man Made, hardly unless the sun disappears and that would really be an act of nature or God.

        • Al Sieber

          Dan, just got home from work, 9:45 our time. read your post, what happened to Vigilant, mick, Yo Anus, etc.? this guy could be a plant also. I studied geology since I was 10 years old, I’m 62 now, I don’t believe in global warming, that it is man made I mean, a volcano spews untold tons of Co2 a day, plus hydrogen sulfide, H2So etc., so this guy, and eddie 47, wants us to believe we’re causing it? and there’s hundred of active volcanoes and other geothermal activity spewing hydrocarbons in the atmosphere. in fact Greenland was settled by Vikings, because it was warm then and they could grow plants. I think it was Eric the Red and his son Leif Erickson. Europe was also warmer too. Emmanuel Velikosky believed the earth went through cataclysmic changes through the study of fossil records, I believe it also. S.E. of me is Wickiup Az. and there’s a large ancient lake bed with all kinds of fossils from the Pleistocene era, Wooly Mammoths, water buffaloes,large birds etc. a friend of mine had a ranch near the petrified forest and dug up and sold huge logs and sold them to museums, private parties etc. also fossil plants,a dinosaur skull( I still have it) a pre- dinosaur called a Fidosaurous, and dinosaur teeth, so, did they died because of Global Warming? Co2 is beneficial to our plant life through a process called Photosynthesis which takes in Co2 and give out O2,or oxygen. they pump in Co2 into some green houses to speed up growth. some of these people need to do some research instead of listening to Al Gore. this is just for the carbon tax, to squeeze more money out of us. sorry for the long post but I was bored.you know the Nazis were heavy into the environment?

          • Al Sieber

            The main driving force of all weather is the sun eddie, and what do you mean the weather hasn’t changed in the last 6000 years? we’re going through major solar activity.

          • Al Sieber

            And eddie over 30- thousand scientists are banned from speaking out against global warming, you don’t hear their side.

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            Anus and flash and a couple of others were the same IP address and Bob L put it out here so they gave up and are coming in as other names now.You can see them when they post usually.Hey that’s cool about the dinosaur head.Did you see where they found a foot print under a dinosaur print of a women?It was in sedona I think by slide rock and was quite a while ago.

      • ValDM

        Mr. Hardee,
        With all due respect sir, I have to disagree with you. There is no such thing as global warming. What you were listening to from your “old men” was that they couldn’t stay warm in the winters since they didn’t have the sophisticated heating systems we have today, thus winters were more “severe” than they are today.

        Secondly, you remark about forests being cut down for new housing. I have much to say on this subject. New housing construction is, for all intents & purposes, a dead industry. I don’t see ANY new housing starts in my neck of the woods; how about you? Since I live in logging country, there’s some logging going on, but not much—not as much as I remember from way back in the 70′s. What logging that exists, is going to “pulp” mills for paper or the logs are being exported (generally to China).

        Now, you also mention that we should all be living in taller buildings on less land……….BUSHWA!! If you want to live in a “beehive” community, then you get right on that & God bless you. I don’t think that by living in my small house with a good-sized yard (so I can grow some of my own food) is a crime; and it certainly is NOT your prerogative to force me to live your vision, or even suggest it.

        Lastly, you mention farm land, and take to task those farmers who sold to developers. Since “development” is tied directly to new housing, it, too is a dead industry. If you’re worried about farm land AT ALL, take on the farm land owners that get HUGE subsidies for letting their land lie fallow FOR YEARS, without planting ONE crop ONE year for every 10.

        Your post is nothing but a bunch of liberal talking points, sir, & seems to me you’ve been listening to the wrong folks.

        • Carlucci

          You hit the nail on the head, ValDM.

        • karolyn

          There sure was a lot of logging going on down here in SC this past winter. More than I’ve seen in the 6 years I’ve been here. As far Global Warming, a recent article I read makes claims for both causes together – natural and manmade. Manmade emissions do contribute. How could they not? It may be colder in some areas, but here in the southeast it’s getting hotter. Of course, there are natural climate changes; however, man has been contributing more and more into the atmosphere to assist change.

      • jibbs

        Bulls&#t!!

      • JC

        Floyd Hardee says:

        June 7, 2011 at 7:47 am

        Most of your statements are right on the mark, except we really do have global warming.
        _________________________________________________________________
        Disagree. Where I live winters are about two months longer and summers don’t get anywhere near as warm as they did 10 years ago.
        As for any of it being “man made”, that’s a crock!
        Without Carbon Dioxide, which is a greenhouse gas….we all die.

        • Al Sieber

          You got that right JC!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are wrong. Dead wrong. Actual geological scientists, not the phonies Al Gore conjured up, but real actual geological scientists are stating that the planet has cooled since the 70′s, and that we are actually in a cooling cycle. And dont think so highly of man that you think we can actually do things to make the weather warmer. Nature will have none of it. Cycles come and cycles go. Some cooler, some warmer. Nothing man has done has changed that, or can change that. And to those of you who think man will destroy this earth, you need to think again. God Himself has ordained that he will destroy the earth by fire, and this will come by His Hand, not ours. And in His time. Are you ready is the question?

    • Wayne937

      nax777, maybe we don’t have enough good solid citizens running for political office. And of course, it just might be that a good solid honest citizen don’t want to ruin their character by being in Congress around all that schmucck. I am being generous by using the word schmuck here.

      • Buddy

        Democracy (voting) is no solution for the ills of democracy.

  • Warrior

    And Van Hollen is the same goof that stated in a congressional hearing, with little timmy when discussing inflation, that the price of flat screen tv’s has come down.

    Ya know, twits like hollen and wiener can tweet all they want as long as they off our payroll. Be gone you creepy little trolls.

    • Carlucci

      And speaking of that unctuous little perv Anthony “der Weiner”, check this out – I still cannot stop laughing (watch out for the wasabi!)

      http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1128.html

      • Dan az

        Now that’s funny! :)

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – Thanks for the laughs.

        I’m sending it to my sisters. :)

        • Carlucci

          Dan as & Kate8 – Well, if you thought that was hilarious, check out this link below. My mom just sent it to me. I laughed so hard I almost wet myself:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J__T2dvaWww

          Sometimes I get really down about all the bad news out there, but I am happy to say that both videos made my day today. Hope they do the same for you two, and anyone else who watches them.

          • JeffH

            Carlucci, thanks for the laughs. :)

          • Dan az

            Carlucci
            I’ll take two praise Jesus.As long as it comes with spinners got to have that bling bling. :)

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        As soon as I clicked on your link, I saw Jon Stewart and clicked off. I will not listed to that troll again. He is the saddest most misdirected man I have ever listened to, and I wont give him a second of my time again. The guy is too filled with hate for me, and I do not find him humorous in the least. I find him to be a sad, sad little man.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Bad typo. That should read, I will not listen to that troll again.

    • http://www.artisanbreadbaking.com Barry

      You’ve just touched on a very interesting point.

      The government says there is no inflation because its statistics show that prices have remained stable. However, they are cooking the books on us.

      They exclude “volatile” food and energy. I can understand that, I guess.

      However, the flat-screen TV comment addresses hedonic pricing for inflation purposes.

      Under hedonic pricing, if the price goes up and the government, in its infinite wisdom, decides that the good in question has increased in quality by approximately the same amount, then they count that as an unchanged price.

      Doncha luv it?

  • Earth

    The answer is easy.
    Get rid of the FED, which is in private Jewish hands.
    Cancel ALL debt, and start over again with an honest People orientated Government.
    A new money system free of interest, backed by gold, owned by the people of the country, and managed by a responsible Government.

    • DaveH

      Eliminate the Fed — YES.
      Gold-backed money — YES.

      But eliminating the debt? What kind of message would that send to the people? Dishonesty pays? What we could do though is to force Fedzilla to sell much of their vast land holdings to pay off that debt. That would make them think twice about future debt, as it makes any debtors think twice when they lose their physical property.

      • Carlucci

        That is an excellent idea.

  • micky.c

    Thats what we get when we go from a Rebublic to a Democracy The people who get free stuff can vote to take stuff from people who make it.

    • http://none Floyd Hardee

      That is why I have been saying over and over, we need to take away the vote for those on welfare. They don’t pay into the tax fund so they should not have any say so in the use of the money, or who is in charge of it. Those who buy votes to stay in power will have little incentive to keep giving away our tax money when the people they have been giving it to can’t vote for them!

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Unfortunately striping rights to restore rights is counter productive..

      • DaveH

        I agree. People with no skin in the game should not be allowed to vote how that money is spent.
        Along those same lines, I believe each adult should be liable for the same taxes. Period. No income statements. No asset statements. The facts are that if Government is good for the people then they all should be willing to pay the bill. Also, when Government takes money from the private sector where much of it would be invested in capital machinery and other capital goods (used to produce consumables), and then consumes it (which is what Government does with the money), then the outcome is less production and worse economies. We all suffer from that. That is why the countries at the bottom of this list have such bad economies — Too Much Government:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking
        But, at this point, with so many selfish and narrow-sighted people feeding at the trough, how can we possibly accomplish that?

      • Wayne937

        Floyd, the worst I have ever heard is that some states are now considering giving voting rights to incarcerated prisoners. It seems like Florida had been talking about doing that. Now that, takes the cake. I can’t believe some of the things these idiots do while in office and get voted back in again. This shows me that the people voting do not know anything about for their voting form. If they do know, and still go ahead and vote for an idiot like this, than this country is definately finished.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And I would add further to that, that most of us who work, are subject to passing a drug test. I would be all for, those collecting handsome government handouts, like welfare, food stamps, unemployment, WIC, and many others, should be suject to passing a drug and alcohol test, which is paid for out of their free handouts, and if they fail it, their handouts stop immediately. This I know, would eliminate billions of government handouts, because 90 percent of these people that WONT WORK, sit around smoking dope, doing drugs and drinking alcohol most of the time. Its a fact, and it is also a fact, that over 90 percent of them vote democrat, who are the very guys that continually give them these handouts to keep them down and in their place.

    • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

      Ditto. The degeneration of our government from a republic into a “wonderful” de-mob-ocracy is destroying our country.

      • Buddy

        HAS destroyed the country.

        Democracy sounds great but it has failed because those who have wasted their own wealth can vote to grab everyone else’s wealth. The USA became great because people could build up capital to establish farms and factories and other businesses. Now, capital is being taxed out of existence to pay for benefits – - which translates into votes. That’s democracy in the final stages.

        Civilizations are built on using capital to build productive enterprises. Civilizations are destroyed by giving the proceeds of capital to those who immediately waste it.

      • JC

        “The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.”
        – Alexis de Tocqueville
        [Alexis Charles Henri Maurice Clerel, le Comte de Tocqueville] (1805-1859) French historian

        “American money was never more sound, or banking more free, than 200 years ago. Since then, it’s been a long steady decline from the gold standard and competitive banking to our Fed-run system of inflated paper currency, deposit insurance, and perpetually shaky banks on the dole.”
        – Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.
        President of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute
        Source: Banks On The Dole, The Free Market, November 1995.

        “It is said, mostly by Libertarians, that ‘taxation is theft.’ Theft is too mild a word. Typically, a thief strikes only once, and doesn’t pretend that his robbery is legitimate. Taxation is actually slavery.”
        – Rick Tompkins
        Attorney
        Source: Quoted In Ohio Libertarian, October-November, 1995.

        • DaveH

          Excellent, JC.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    “More to the point, it means most voters are so addicted to our redistribution-of-wealth culture that they will vote against anyone who dares to threaten that culture.”

    Combine that with their “FEAR” of radical Muslims, hypocracy regarding their beliefs & understanding of a Divine Creator, and Understanding/Knowledge of words such as Liberty & Freedom…we are all getting sucked down into the quagmire of ruin.

    The Constitution is too simple for them and it puts a big DENT in the message they get from the Shadow Govt..

    I mean get real..are these people(politicians) really that stupid that they dont understand basic math and our nations financial demise? Heck NO..they arent stupid..they know exactly the solution and have orders to NOT follow the Constitution, or any solution that will stop the collapse!

    (About to sound really corny)

    Its TREASON people! They are in Bed with the VIPERS and EVERYONE will suffer regardless of What side of the Isle you choose. When the FED stops printing at the end of this month, the first time since 2009 the US Economy will stand on its own. Sadly theres NOTHING to hold it up…July is Gonna be ROUGH and many believe the Beginning of our free fall….

    • DaveH

      Well, I don’t know about the “have orders” part, but for sure the Politicians aren’t ignorant, and know exactly what they’re doing. They are simply feathering their own nests by buying votes and by helping their Crony Capitalist buddies with special subsidies, tariffs, and regulations.
      We need to get Government out of the marketplace. Give the power back to the consumer to decide which companies prosper and which fail. Our country would boom if we could accomplish that. And our Freedom would flourish.

      • Buddy

        You can say that politicians are not ignorant, but you can observe that they are near totally subjective. That means that most pay attention to their own thoughts and well being before considering any objective reality.

      • DaveH
      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That is exactly why the democrats are for illegal aliens continuing to enter the country, because 90 percent or more of them are future democrat voters. That is why the democrats pour their welfare, WIC, and other social programs into the so called poor black communities, to ensure future black votes, which they currently garner 90 percent of, for keeping these people down and from advancing themselves. And then they take billions of our dollars, and give them to places like GM and Chrysler to buy the future UAW votes. Its a stinking joke.

    • Carlucci

      Bitter – Your comments weren’t “corny” at all – ! They are 100% spot on.

  • Louie

    I’m just a small pea in the pod of human stupidity. I’m only recognized when “they see me coming”…I can see them tensing up…because they know damn well that I’m gonna get on their “ass” about wanting the government to “fix” what’s wrong with America. I always tell them that the gov (is) them (us) & that the only way for the gov to fix America is for us to fix Her. I’ve been “preaching” this for years…haven’t just started…in fact I started thinking this way long before I heard anyone else say it. I have always been against SS/medicare…but I was (forced) into paying into these dictatorial programs & I am damn well gona get my money out of them. What I want to happen, is for SS/med to be eliminated (no new participants paying into these programs), but for those of us that have to continue getting our money out of them…oh yea, if congress wasn’t stealling from SS it would be “rich” & self supporting. In fact, I want all programs/departments eliminated…I can only think of one (1) dept. that I am willing to support…DOD and only enough to keep it on top… “second to none”. I want people in congress to to be limited to two 4yr terms…I want the President’s (we don’t have one at the moment) Executive Orders to go back to where it belongs…He can only issue an exct ord in case of National (constitutional) emergencies. I could go on & on & on…AND THIS CAN ONLY BE ACCOMPLISHED BY THE GOVERNMENT (US) PEOPLE (US). Keep up the excellent work Robert…this is your best article yet……………..

    • 45caliber

      I want the original government of the US.

      There was the Department of WAR (not defense) to take care of any enemies that tried to invade us, the Department of State to try to remain neutral with other countries, and the Department of Treasury to pay for those other two departments. AND THAT IS ALL!

  • DaveH
  • JimH

    Read the “Enumerated Powers Doctrine” and it all falls into place.

  • home boy

    what don’t you get about obama. he said he wants to fundamentally change this country. what don’t you undersatnd about that statement? everything must fail for him to do that and he knows that. the only solution there is is to get rid of the political system we have and run the country another way. any ideas boys and girls?

    • DaveH

      Yes, get us back to the Constitution as it was intended to be applied by our very wise Founders (Madison, Jefferson).
      Only this time we would need to specifically state that the “General Welfare” clause means only that all federal laws must apply equally to the states. It DOES NOT mean that the Federal Government can do anything they believe is good for the citizens’ welfare.
      And we need to qualify the Commerce Power so that it’s original intention is well understood, so the Federal Government can’t use it to justify controlling whatever they damn well please. The Commerce Clause was written to keep States from passing tariffs, subsidies, and regulations to protect their in-state businesses from the competition of other states’ companies. That was all.

  • Cawmun Cents

    I havent heard anyone speak about the real problem we face.Not programs which affects our wallets,but programming which effects our young minds.How can anything be of more importance than the education of our children.For who will stamp out oppression in the future if we do not end the grip of the godless teaching the kids about politics.There is definitely a need for abolition of many programs which are driving us into country-wide foreclosure.But the real need is to get the academics out of the school system and put teachers back into it.Otherwise what we do today wont last long enough to effect tommorow.You may save America for yourselves,but who is going to save it in the future?-CC.

    • DaveH

      We can do that with voucher systems. But we need to be wary of the difference between School Choice and Educational Choice. The former can occur when parents are allowed to send their children to the schools of their choice, but those schools’ educational content is controlled by Government. With the latter, the parents can send their kids to the schools that they prefer, and those schools are free to determine their own curriculum.

    • Carlucci

      Cawmun – Parents have everything to do with forming their child’s way of thinking and learning. That is where it starts. In my family, we were raised to read all kinds of books and periodicals. T.V. hours were restricted. If we were “bored” we were told to either go read a book or periodical, or go outside to ride our bicycles, swim, play bad mitton, etc., to let off some steam. My parents were always available to help with homework. It all starts at home – public schools have proven themselves to be worthless, and most of the people who are having and/or teaching kids now have been so dumbed down themselves, they have no real analytical skills.

      • Wayne937

        Yep! I agree with you Carlucci. It does start in the home with two loving parent. I am not saying that either one by themselves could not do a good job, but two is always better.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I agree Wayne. The decline of the importance of a family, has led to the decline in our youths education, because instead of properly being taught at home, then learning in school, and talking at home with mom and dad and having proper guidance, many are left at home alone a lot of the time, and are at the mercy of the liberal teachers in the the class room, and take as gospel what they are taught.

      • Cawmun Cents

        My kids come from a divided home.But they have two loving parents(we are loving them seperately out of divided interests).My kids are taught to think outside the box constantly.I often give them scenario questions and let them form their answers by good sense and deduction.I always remind them to take into account the worst case scenario when they are thinking of their response.Some will and have accused me of training them to imagine the bad in all things.But if the worst isnt taken into consideration then how will you deal with it when it finaaly shows up at your doorstep?But I always try to point out the virtue of good planning.The sky may never fall Chicken Little,but you’d better have a pidgeon-hole to hide in if it does.

        • 45caliber

          I agree. So does the military on their planning. I’d rather have a plan for the worst case and never see it come than not have one when it arrives. And I teach my kids the same thing. It’s like insurance.

          With insurance you realize you are taking risks in your life and you are betting that the worst case (your death or dismemberment) will occur while the insurance companies are betting it won’t. And since they make good money at this, it is definate that it doesn’t happen for most people. It is the few it does happen to that makes us bet(buy the insurance).

      • Dan az

        Social Predation 101: Using other people’s children to promote a teacher’s interests

        Singer presents workshops and assemblies through which he helps teachers “understand their right to disagree with and protest against government policies” and “involve their students in political action” that promotes the teacher’s interests. In other words, Singer seems to be teaching social predators how to use the classroom to recruit children to their personal perspective by supplanting the values taught at home with their own. The values that Singer says teachers should advocate to children are similar to those he promotes in his own classroom, including:

        * Reproductive freedom, abortion access, and condom availability for minors;
        * Opposition to laws requiring parental consent for abortions;
        * Opposition to policies requiring parental consent for exposure to objectionable materials in the classroom;
        * Opposition to American foreign actions and policies.

        “One of my primary goals as a high school social studies teacher was to empower young people so that they could become active citizens and agents for democratic social change,” Singer writes (For an example of what Singer means by “Democratic Social Change”, see the Democratic Socialists of America web site at: http://www.dsausa.org/). “This approach requires that teachers… express views o­n controversial issues,” and get students to be willing to take action in support of the teacher’s values, Singer says.

        For teachers who express concern that enlisting children for their own causes might jeopardize their jobs, Singer presents “a model [he] was able to use effectively to engage students as activists,” while avoiding the legal and ethical issues involved in using the classroom to promote personal interests to children. Following are key excerpts from Singer’s model:http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/education_transformation/social_predation_101%3a_now_showing_in_classrooms_near_you_2003112474/
        Read more on this here

        • 45caliber

          Many teachers are even trying to force their classes to picket for their pay raises, etc. without parental permission. And they consider this fair to all!

        • 45caliber

          I fully believe that anyone who advocates “free sex” for minors is actually wanting to make it legal for him/her to have sex with minors without getting into trouble for it.

      • 45caliber

        Carlucci:

        But the government (and particularly the libs) don’t want the parents to teach things like that to their kids. That is one reason they are so willing to finance women to have kids out of wedlock. Families generally want things to be better for their kids than it was for themselves. But the government wants things to be better for the government. Families will be against government tax raises that cuts their own spending for their families; this is something the government doesn’t want. They would prefer that the parents NEVER teach the children anything. Several libs, including Clinton, have pushed hard to put ALL kids in some sort of government school at age two so the government can teach them things instead of the parents. (That’s why some of the child learning centers were established.)

        • Carlucci

          Well, 45, it all comes down to choices. There are plenty of people out there who see what has happened and do not want their kids to be indoctrinated in the public “fool” system. These people sacrifice a new car, fancier home, eating out, etc., to put their kids in private school or the mom stops working to home school the kids. This is exactly what my neighbors next door did. Right before she became pregnant, the mom was a successful pharmaceutical sales woman, but she was “awakened” one day when she paid a call on a D.O., a health care professional who graduates from medical school, but their focus is on healing and helping people achieve wellness, not managing illness. She said meeting this doctor was an epiphany for her. When she began having her three children, she did not have any of them vaccinated and rarely ever used pharmaceuticals whenever they were ill. All of the kids were home schooled. The oldest just graduated from college Summa Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa. The younger ones (twins) are just as sharp. You would not believe how kind and polite these kids are. If they are outside when I’m bringing in the trash and recycle carts, they always “come to my rescue” and bring that stuff in for me. They are so very different from my sulky, surly nieces and nephews who are strung out on pharmaceutical “anti-depressants”. I could go on and on, but you get my drift.

          • Carlucci

            I meant to add who cares what the government wants? We are all still in charge of ourselves. I can choose to eat nutritious whole foods and stay away from processed and junk food. I can take vitamins and supplements (at least for now) instead of pharmaceuticals. I can read books and periodicals instead of watching the boob tube. I do not feel that the government is “in charge” of me, unless I do something stupid like buy an airline ticket which means I’ll be harassed and molested or radiated at the airport.

    • 45caliber

      CC:

      This is the reason that the students in the US aren’t the highest educated in the world. They test on the basics, such as reading, writing, math, science, and history. But the American teachers must teach things like PC, sexual fairness, etc. And something must be set aside to allow that teaching.

      Clinton’s Goals 2000 educational program wanted to teach the students things like “teamwork”, “sexual fairness”, “honesty”, and “racial fairness”. To make room for those classes, he proposed that the students would NOT be taught how to read or right. At the end of the sixth grade they would then be given a test on computers graded by computers in Washington. 90% of the lowest students would then be sent to trade schools (as selected by Washington) and would learn some trade such as welding, waitressing, etc. THEY WOULD NEVER LEARN TO READ OR WRITE. He stated that most people didn’t need that skill and could get any info they needed from radios or tv. (And without that skill you cannot communicate with anyone without the government knowing what you are saying.)

      • Carlucci

        And that is exactly why Luther went after the Catholic church. The pope and priests did not want their followers to be literate. They were told that the clergy would “tell them what the Bible said”.

        • 45caliber

          And many times the clergy either wouldn’t read it all or couldn’t read themselves.

        • Kate8

          Carlucci – That’s also because the only other language the Bible was translated in was Latin.

          It wasn’t until Luther that it began being translated into other languages.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Yes…Latin was for all intent and purpose a dead language,unless the person was a rank and file member of the Catholic church.Only aristocrats were allowed to be taught the language,outside of the Catholic Diocese.This meant that Biblical knowledge was subject to interpretation.Today,though it is clearly represented by language and style of writing,the Bible is still being interpreted.Folks argue over the meaning of words,but the original meaning and intent of scripture,are still present.Bottom line is that what is there is there,and putting your spin on it,wont change what it says.It actually has a meaning,and a message.Some people think that it says what is important to you personally and that is how you translate it.That is false doctrine.Putting your spin to the Bible is called Eisegesis.Reading what the content actually says is called Exegesis.Only with help from the Holy Spirit,can you hope to exegete the proper content.So….ask,and ye shall receive.His promise not mine.Many people doubt their worthiness to talk directly to God,and ask the pertinent questions.But hey,if we were worthy,would Christ have had to die for us?Since He did,we have been given the Holy Spirit as a guide and interpreter.Do not be afraid true believers,to go to God yourself.A Catholic priest is not necessary to communicate to God.You can do it,Bobby Bouchet.-CC.

  • HarryButtle

    Just because you don’t approve of a program does not make it unconstitutional. 37% of our debt is due to the financial crisis precipitated by malfeasance in the private sector. Your premises are completely wrong. The Budget for the American People balances the budget within ten years without raising taxes or reducing services for the great majority of America. After allying fears of their bosses on Wall Street, the GOP voted to refuse to raise the debt ceiling and for Paul Ryan’s budget which will raise the debt by $6 trillion over the next 10 years, a classic instance of cognitive dissonance.

    • DaveH

      It’s Unconstitutional because the Constitution says so:
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/constitution_en.html
      Read it (it’s short), and also read the Federalist Papers to see what the Framers intended.
      The financial crisis was precipitated by Big Government meddling in the marketplace, and by the easy money policies of the Federal Reserve. Read the book “The Housing Boom and Bust” by Thomas Sowell to learn more.
      Government then bailed out their Crony Capitalists with taxpayer money. They should have been let to fail rather than to continue providing competition to those companies that did it right. If there aren’t rewards for good behavior, and punishment for bad behavior, why would anybody expect improvement?
      Anybody who buys into any 10-year plan just hasn’t lived long enough or watched politics enough to know that putting solutions off to the future just doesn’t work.
      We need people in Congress who are strong enough to eliminate whole agencies now, not ten years from now. Shuffling the solutions off to future Congresses has never worked, and it has been tried often.

      We need Libertarians:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • DaveH

      PL,
      please delete the previous comment (two links, awaiting moderation).

    • DaveH

      It’s Unconstitutional because the Constitution says so:
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/constitution_en.html
      Read it (it’s short), and also read the Federalist Papers to see what the Framers intended.
      The financial crisis was precipitated by Big Government meddling in the marketplace, and by the easy money policies of the Federal Reserve. Read the book “The Housing Boom and Bust” by Thomas Sowell to learn more.
      Government then bailed out their Crony Capitalists with taxpayer money. They should have been let to fail rather than to continue providing competition to those companies that did it right. If there aren’t rewards for good behavior, and punishment for bad behavior, why would anybody expect improvement?
      Anybody who buys into any 10-year plan just hasn’t lived long enough or watched politics enough to know that putting solutions off to the future just doesn’t work.
      We need people in Congress who are strong enough to eliminate whole agencies now, not ten years from now. Shuffling the solutions off to future Congresses has never worked, and it has been tried often.

    • JC

      HarryButtle says:

      June 7, 2011 at 8:41 am

      Just because you don’t approve of a program does not make it unconstitutional. 37% of our debt is due to the financial crisis precipitated by malfeasance in the private sector. Your premises are completely wrong.
      ___________________________________________________________________
      How convenient to completely overlook the Government that not only allowed, but promoted the “everyone can own a home” fiasco and the lending policies that followed. The private sector did what it did…after the Clinton Administration gave them the green light.

      As for balancing the budget in 10 years? hahahahahahaha
      Are you new to this planet? :)

      • 45caliber

        JC:

        You are correct. It is like the Savings and Loan Fiasco. They blamed the S&Ls for the disaster but it was due to the government. They had a regulation that allowed doctors and lawyers to build apartment and office buildings and deduct the cost from their income taxes. When they ended that program, the doctors and lawyers simply quit paying on the offices and apartment complexes they had build and weren’t paying off. The small savings individuals lost when the S&Ls got into trouble. But they BLAMED the officers of the S&Ls. After all, they couldn’t allow someone to blame the government for its own blunders, could they?

  • Wayne937

    Let’s see, “what is our most dangerous enemy”. Oh! I know this one, it’s easy, it is very obvious, it is Barack Hussein Obama, and his Zombies in the White House. Can’t we have a harder question than this one?

    • DaveH

      He may turn out to be our best ally. I haven’t seen this many people awakening since Jimmy Carter was in office. John McCain would have built the Government bigger and more slowly, and most of the voters would have continued to slumber. Eventually Government would have achieved the critical mass that would be impossible to reverse.
      So the sudden (unintentional) shock therapy that has been administered by Obama may turn out to be just what we needed. That is, if Government hasn’t already reached that Critical Mass.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, I agree completely with your opening sentance.

        • Carlucci

          me too.

  • Robert

    good points. it is also why they keep the borders open under the illusion of patrol. the border patrol does work hard and do their best so not picking on them, but if you leave enough of the border open then guess what? the weakest link becomes the strength of the whole. so bring enough other countries into our country illegally and you change the very fabric of society pretty quick all things considered. and the illegals like free anything. let the gringos pay for them since they took their land and all that crap. reconquista babyyy. so it isn’t just american’s with their freeloading ways, it’s also the leaders of the country/states allowing it we’re sinking pretty good and it isn’t a matter of if the ship will go down, it is only a matter of when. i think many people realize this, but don’t want to believe it.

  • Conservative at Birth

    When I was 9 years old I argued with the adults in my basement (A Democrat Party Caucus) against social security to no avail. In 1966 I debated the constitutionality of Medicare in my High School Speech Class. The teacher was a socialist so I only received a B for a grade (even though my papers and tests were an average of 95%) in that class because I was not in agreement. Unfortunately, I and my employers contriubitued over $ 400,000 to this ponzi shceme. Had I been able to invest and save that money I would be able to retire in comfort. What a rip off.

    • DaveH

      If the people in this country would wake up and realize that Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution, our economy would boom. The only poor people would be those who just chose not to work much. When people are unfettered by busybodies (Government) they are amazingly productive. I believe that goes for morality also. Adults, like teenagers, behave badly when other people are butting into their choices. I believe that people behave their best when left alone to make their own life choices.

  • Polski

    It’s fun to make comments but that’s it. Everyone has their own opinion, and none of the comments will change them. Just think, we as a country are not even 300 years old and we are dead. Certainly not a Rome or Ottoman Turk. In other words, we are piddling. Do you wonder why we get “O’Bummers” like Dubya and Cheney? Hey, a lot of folks in Washington state don’t even know that Oregon is a bordering state. “like, you know duh, like wow…….”

  • Wayne937

    Maybe all the Conservatives and so called experts arn’t as good as we think. I’ll give you an example; a truck with a high load was travling down the road and came to an overpass over the road. The man driving the truck stopped, but realized he was an inch too high from being able to go uner this overpass. He called his boss, when the boss got there, the boss called in all the engineers that worked for his company plus some of the engineers from the highway dept. They were all pondering their thoughts, and was talking among themselves how to solve this dilemma. A little 10 year old boy rode up on his bicycle. After listening to the conversation, he said, Oh mister, mister, I know how to solve this problem. For a while they ignored the little boy, but he boy was very insistant. One of the engineers finally agreed to listen to the little boy. He said, yes son, how can we get this truck under the overpass. The little boy spoke up and said, Let some air out of the tires, and you will be able to get under the overpass, and then you can put air in the tires after you get on the other side of the overpass. To all their amazement, they shook their heads, and let the air out of the tires on the truck and the truck was able to go under the overpass. You see, I am trying to tell you, even the smartest and brightest at times do not have all the answers. All it takes is common horse sense. A lot of the so called engineers, and other high echelon folks do not always have all the answers. My father alway told me never to look down on anyway. He said that you can always learn something, even from a fool. What good advice this has been for me.

    • DaveH

      I agree. I have taught my children the same thing. Listen to what people have to say, no matter how ignorant you think they are.

      • Carlucci

        I do listen to what people say, but more importantly, I watch what they do, because actions always speak louder than words. Or as Maya Angelou said – “When people show you who they are, believe them.”

        Most recent example – Anthony Weiner!

        • 45caliber

          Carlucci:

          It always annoys me when some Lib starts talking about Oblama. You point out that he is for or against something you don’t like and immediately they say, “Oh, no he isn’t! He said so!”

          As if his actual actions don’t show the opposite of what he is saying. They seem to believe the words over the actions all the time – especially if it is their man they are talking about.

          • Carlucci

            I think it also goes back to the book of Timothy in the Bible, which talks about “itching ears”:

            2 Timothy 4:2-4 (NKJV)
            2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

            Consider the same verses in a different translation:

            2 Timothy 4:2-4 (NLT)
            2 Preach the word of God. Be persistent, whether the time is favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with good teaching. 3 For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to right teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever they want to hear. 4 They will reject the truth and follow strange myths.

          • 45caliber

            Carlucci:

            And we have a lot of people doing just that. Some are even supposed to be church leaders such as pastors and bishops.

          • Carlucci

            Absolutely.

    • http://yahoo.com Gale

      I agree and I learned to “seek ye first the kindgom of God” and to ask for HIS wisdom before thinking we are wise already.

  • Bert Cundle

    Thus, the question of Constitutionality increasingly appears to be off the table when it comes to debating major fiscal issues such as the deficit, the debt ceiling, unfunded Medicare and Social Security liabilities, and redistribution-of-wealth programs ranging from unemployment benefits to food stamps.////////////////////////////////
    The Problem is: Medicare & S.S. ARE PAID INTO BY THE EMPLOYER! ( Taken out of our pay. Not to be retrieved, untill we reach “65 Years of age.”) That is a BIG Pot! Many don’t reach 65. It’s become Politicans PORK BARREL, to Borrow from. ( Acting like it’s their spending account!) The Foreigners are Dolled out Lots of our Money, And taking our jobs, at less $ & Hurting our Benifits. The eledged President is Campaining AROUND THE WORLD, FOR VOTEING SUPPORT!
    OUR PROBLEM IS: Our Government!

    • 45caliber

      If you look at the history of the SS, it can really anger you. Initially it was supposed to be a method of “saving for your retirement.” You provided some of the money and your employer provided some. It would grow, with interest as well as additional payments, until you retired. (I once calcualated that at 5%, you could have well over $1 million in your SS account upon retiring if you stared work at 20.)

      But with no one taking out money, it was growing by leaps and bounds. So they started allowing people who had never paid into it to draw money by paying 7 quarters (1 and 3/4 years worth of SS taxes on their income). The form you required to apply to collect was kept at the post office (and the post master would help you fill it out if there was a problem). It required your name, address, and SS#; you had to include a copy of your birth certificate as well. Nothing else.

      There was one SS office at the capitol of each state to process these forms. But again the money was piling up. So they decided to put at least one SS office in each county. You picked up your forms there instead of the post office. That required far more people and many offices. So the amount of money in SS began to go down. So they had a tax increase. The money again started to pile up. So they added invalids and children to the list. That required another tax increase.

      Finally after about a dozen additions and tax increases, Congress began to “borrow” from SS by issuing treasury notes to replace the money. But they decided that wasn’t enough; they simply began to take the money without “borrowing” it any longer. So any “loan” from SS to the government simply disappeared.

      • Carlucci

        Well…..on the subject of Social Security, I’m looking at two letters right now from a book I bought years ago. One letter is from Penny Payton, a claims representative with the Dept. of Health and Human Services. It is dated January 10, 1990. It states: “Social Security is a voluntary system in that no one is required to get a number. The Internal Revenue Service uses social security numbers as taxpayer identification numbers. However, a person with no social security number would have no taxable income”. Next, there is a letter to a constituent named Kevin Passion in Reno, Nevada from none other than Harry Reid, dated April 24,1990 that states “Thank you for your recent letter. My office contacted Mr. Jim Kubotcik, a Congressional Relations Specialist with the Social Security Administration to answer your questions about Social Security numbers and employment. According to Mr. Kubotcik, there is no law requiring a natural born citizen to obtain a Social Security number; acquiring one is based upon voluntary enrollment. The Social Security number was created in 1936 to keep a record of taxes paid into the Social Security system. It is a tax identification number. There is no law prohibiting a person from exercising his right to work without possessing a Social Security number. Technically, if an individual never plans to file an income tax return or earn an income, a Social Security number is not needed”. It then goes on to say the usual government bullsh** about how people should get a number and participate to receive the “many benefits” in today’s society. Never mind the fact that social security was originally set up just for the people who worked for the railroad, as railroads were and are owned by the government. People of a certain age on this board (like me and those older than me) must remember that we APPLIED for a social security number – it didn’t just arrive in the mail, and those of us born before 1975 were not enumerated at birth at the hospital.

        And then there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg

        • ValDM

          Thanks for the link. I’m stupefied the people of Nevada re-elected this loon. BTW, I didn’t apply for a SS # for my daughter until she was 6 (born in 1981). I wouldn’t have then, but I was already in the office, & decided it would be easier then, than later.

        • Dan az

          Carlucci
          The phrase (echnically, if an individual never plans to file an income tax return or earn an income, a Social Security number is not needed”. )Sounds like a catch 22.If you earn a income then SS is mandatory don’t you think?

          • Carlucci

            Dan az – Good question. Like I mentioned on last Saturday’s blog, the number one rule of real estate is location, location, location. The number one rule of law is definition, definition, definition.

            Keeping that in mind, what is the definition of “income”? You won’t find it anywhere in the Internal Revenue code. It talks about income, but never defines exactly what it is.

            If this makes no sense, think about when Billy Bob Bubba Clinton did during his so called “impeachment” hearings over the Monica Lewinski scandal. Slick Willie (an attorney) kept falling back on “It depends on what the definition of “is” is”.

          • Dan az

            carlucci
            I think that’s why they don’t define it so as to fine you or jail you.

          • Carlucci

            You got it, Dan az. Because as we all know, that malignancy in d.c. is really the federal mafia, and their chief talent is extortion.

          • Kate8

            Carlucci – Actually, receiving a salary or wage is NOT income. It is an even exchange for services rendered. If we must claim pay as income, why does the employer not have to declare the services as income? They are (supposedly) of equal value.

            There are people working who have not registered a SSN and do not pay taxes. It is legal to do that.

        • 45caliber

          Try getting any sort of good job without a SS#! No one will hire you since the IRS also keeps records using it. If they did hire you, they would be in trouble, getting audited, etc.

          The only way you can get a job without a SS# is to a very small business – and the owner would be breaking the law. And if you were ever caught, you would be in trouble since you MUST by law, file an income tax form even if you have zero income. And you need a SS# to do that.

          • Carlucci

            That’s true to an extent. It’s all about participation in the system. I know people who own their own businesses who never asked anyone to fill out federal paperwork, because they did not consider their workers to be “employees”. Like I said, it all revolves around definitions.

            You might be very surprised by the definitions of “employee” and “person” in the irs code. If Jazzabelle and Vicki are anywhere nearby and choose to post, they can probably expound on this.

  • 45caliber

    Texas does not have a state income tax … yet. But there are several state politicians who can’t understand why we don’t.

    Several years ago, a citizen sent a letter to the State Comptroller stating, “I know many of you in Austin are in favor of a state income tax, but I want you to know that many of us don’t want it.”

    The Comptroller sent the following comment back: “I know that there are many uninformed people in the state who are against a state income tax. But you need to realize that there is this HUGE UNTOUCHED (my emphasis) fund of money out that that NO ONE USES (my emphasis again) that if we could pass a state income tax would allow us to really build up this state!”

    In other words, no one uses the income they get. It simply sits unused and untouched, being wasted, until some government official can get his hands on it.

    • Carlucci

      45 – Was that huge untouched pile of money also known as the so called “Rainy Day Fund”? I notice that politicians in Austin always love to brag about that, yet they are also more than willing to find ways to add more taxes. I shudder to think that RINO Rick Perry is rumored to run for POTUS. And then there is that other prince of darkness, David Dewhurst…

      • 45caliber

        No, this was before the “Rainy Day Fund”. They didn’t have that then. He was talking about our income. Guy by the name of Brown. He is dead now.

    • DaveH

      Government takes our money, much of which would have been employed productively, and then uses most of it to buy more votes in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. They mostly use our money to make their lives better, not ours.

      • 45caliber

        Exactly right. I can’t really say when the last time I saw Congress pass any law or resolution that didn’t increase their money for buying votes. That seems to be the only thing they do any more.

  • http://www.artisanbreadbaking.com Barry

    We might start with the one reversal that would make all the others possible: Repeal the power of the Federal Reserve to issue our currency.

    The way it is now, if the Treasury wants to issue money, they have to issue debt to do so; they can’t “print” the money directly. They issue the debt and have to pay interest on the debt — in effect a tax on the currency they just issued. Who gets the interest payment? The banks, for one.

    Lincoln financed the Civil War by issuing greenback dollars and the sky didn’t fall in. We could go back to that process. In fact, President Kennedy started the process moving with Executive Order 11111 iin 1963.

    The second part of the repeal would be to dismantle the Federeal Reserve, break it up into several pieces and then shrink the pieces until they disappear. The Federal Reserve Bank and SYstem exist to keep the people in debt to the banks.

    • DaveH

      Fiat money is Fiat money no matter who issues it.
      We need to get back to money backed by hard assets. That is the only way things will get better.
      And Lincoln was a dictator who usurped the Constitution and started this Country on the road to Big Mercantilistic Centralized Government.

    • 45caliber

      “The Federal Reserve Bank and SYstem exist to keep the people in debt to the banks.”

      And Congress seems very determined to keep us that way.

  • AnnaS

    American should finally learn the real meaning of polite words:
    redistribution-of-wealth: “Robe the robbers” – invention of Lenin;
    liberals; anti-american fanatical atheists – opposite to the meaning of the word;
    political correctness: censure -direct violation of 1st constitutional amendment.
    As long as political correctness is enforced in American schools, our children will be
    brainwashed by liberal propaganda and will vote for Obama and alike.
    If Americans really want their liberty back they have to start from banning political correctness
    in educational system.

  • http://www.gunthorp.com Gardner Behrends

    How can the US Goernment Corp. sell its land to pay off debt? It has been quit claimed to the IMF since 1944. The IMF (a few jewish families who own the FED) won’t let us remove any more natural resources like oil from the US. For them, it’s better we borrow from them, with interest, give the money to aid foreign countries to drill, like Brazil, and Soros can sell the oil to China. Since 1917 they have controlled our money to steal our wealth, with the New Deal they stole our resources, and finally Soros is going after our food production. The end game is here. How it plays out will depend on the Oath Keepers in our Armed Forces.

    • JC

      True.

  • Wayne937

    I’ll tell you what is wrong with our government; Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Christ Dodd, Charlie Rangel, Bob Casey, Anthoney Weiner .., The list goes on, and on. Too many fools for for me to name. We need to clean the cell pool in Washington D.C., but how do we get people to see that it needs cleaned? This is the 64000 dollar question.

    • http://yahoo Ruth

      Wayne 937,
      Washington, DC is a total disgrace, PERIOD!!!!!

    • JC

      Start with anulling the charter of the Federal Reserve and we just might have a chance.

  • Sheila M

    Wow… What a great article and responsible thinking in replys. Agree with most all comment but i do believe we have a few good men and women in office that truly want to get back to our constitution. Problem is if they speak out too loud they will b voted out. Its sad but true… But until we the people inform the people and become the majority its hard to get where we need to BE. Its no different than how we got here… As the Liberals/socialist/democrats /and republicans have done for years to get us where are today (stay silent or LIE). Voters need to know and research candidates records in life, business, and character. Some will never compromise their morals as more than not will. I pray God gives us another chance however i see how angry he is with us as we allow politicians and organizations to disallow his word. We as our founding fathers before us were to speak his word. And man has allowed our constitution to BE interpreted, hijacked and distorted by money hungry power seeking thieves, judges and politicians. But i believe his word as i see his words being played out all over the world and it will only be him who saves us. Ok off that… just a few words on global warming. If what Al Gore and all the likes of him were speaking the truth why do they jet set around contributing to the problem…because they have become FILTHY rich off the lies and its coming from the government which is the peoples money. And if its so bad can just one country in this world. make a difference…..as the smog in China is so bad they wear mask but yet they are building a bigger economy than America?? ? They don’t care they just work, take our jobs, and watch this country fail as
    that’s just what they want. They are reaping the benefits off Americans stupidity. Comments and thoughts appreciated.

  • http://www.samueladamsreturns.com Tom

    When then Senator Obama entered the presidential race, I noted to all those that I know that he was a Chavez mini-me. I spent a lot of time in Venezuela for a number of different reasons which gave me the insight to make such a comment. Predicting what Robert is saying here was what I was discussing 15 years ago.

    So now, to restore our knowledge of Life, Liberty and Property it is necessary to bring Mr. Samuel Adams back. The “Firebrand of the Revolution,” “The Last Puritan,” “The Father of the Revolution” has much to say about our God given unalienable Rights and holding to our first principles of the Republic.

    As both Adam’s said, This Constitution is for a moral and virtuous people. We must return to first principles in our Faith and our Republic. And, we must act with fervor against this Agenda that is destroying America.

    Get informed then get of the couch, out of our seats and put feet on the street to get the people active in our Republic as were our forefathers.

    • Wayne937

      You know Tony, to believe in this Communist Muslim Dictator, Barack Hussein Obama, and the way he is handling our economy, you would really have to be stupid. I just can’t believe why their are people who still believe in the man they call president. I guess we have a lot of stupid people around. I hate to be this blunt, but this statement is the truth.

  • i41

    USA can sure as hell sell of all the government land it has under it’s control. Just as soon as the rid of the Dept of Interior,which control BLM, Forrest Service Game Fish & Parks, and Army Corp of Engineers who has several layers of morons. All this flooding could of been prevented if the lazy azzes had dropped the levels of all the dams that are supposed to control flooding. In Nov when dams were with in 5% of capiacity, and snow was coming down and getting deeper, gates should of been opened up. But these beltway bastyards waited until April to think about opening some gate and after a month of shuffling papers and doing nothing as snow got deeper. About a couple of weeks before NO got flooded, WYO, MT and S Dakota dams all run and controlled by the Army Corp Engineers, decided to open all gate at one time. When rains and temps started to climb disaster proceeded All the worthless bastards are government hired employees that are over paid and do nothing constructive. Hope all the people who got drowned out , sue the governemnt agencies and the worthless puke Congressional smucks with the absentee jug eared muslim who was f–king off on vacation.

    • Dan az

      I41
      Is it still flooding up there?I have a daughter in law headed your way and I don’t get the news.Just curious.

  • Marvin Reese

    THOMAS SOWELL FOR PRESIDENT!!! Someone needs to pony up the bucks to get him elected.He is without a doubt,the most sensible economist,and human being to come down the pike in a very long time.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. He’s sensible enough that he’s said he doesn’t want the job either.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I always thought it was un-constitutional to break the law, and it seems to me, that it is not a federal law, not written anywhere as a law, to collect federal income tax, yet every week, I am seeing the federal government take a lot of money from my paycheck that I earn. That to me, is un-constitutional, to take a mans money, when its not a law to pay it, and yet I dont have a say in it.

    • 45caliber

      Beberoni:

      Take a look at the 16th Amendment. It gives the feds the right to enact an income tax.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thing is, it was started by Roosevelt as a voluntary thing, and it was never ratified into law, and still is not a law, and whether they have a right to do something or not, it still today is not a law, and they unlawfully tax us, then basically decide who they want to give it to. Im sure the framers of the Constitution were against this abuse of power.

        • 45caliber

          Beberoni:

          The Sixteenth Amendment states: “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

          It was “questionably ratified” because it went to state convention committees to be ratified instead of to the voters – because they knew the voters wouldn’t vote for it. The state convention members were appointed by the state legislators. But it was still legal.

          Unfortunately.

          • Carlucci

            Hmmm…….might want to read the well researched and documented two volume book – “The Law that Never Was” about the 16th Amendment by William Benson, a former tax collector for the state of Illinois. His research is as thorough as Jerome Corsi’s new book about Ovomit.

            Here’s a synopsis from the book: The authority of the federal government to collect its income tax depends upon the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the federal income tax amendment, which was allegedly ratified in 1913. After a year of extensive research, Bill Benson discovered that the 16th Amendment was not ratified by the required 3/4 of the states, but nevertheless Secretary of State Philander Knox fraudulently announced ratification.

  • http://www.civilrightstaskforce.info Gary De Capua

    Did you know that the biggest crime committed today against the Constitution and the inalienable rights of the people of the United States of America: Is from our government’s violation of The Oath of Office?) An oath of office is an oath or affirmation a person takes before undertaking the duties of an office, usually a position in government. Such oaths are often required by the laws of the state, before the person may actually exercise the powers of the office they have been elected, or appointed.

    The enemy within government is more of a threat than any terrorist organization or Foreign nation. Treason is as subtle as public officials refusing to support and defend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by violating the contract, by which all government officials, are bound by an Oath or Affirmation.

    I do not understand why a Constitutional requirement is being completely ignored by the People. Each and every elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit, State or Federal must take the Constitutional requirement before entering the Office in which they have been elected or appointed, civil and uniform service. The Constitutional requirement in Article 6; Section 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust, under the United States.

    The federal statute requirement in section 3331(a) of title 5, United States Code: Oath of office Statute:
    An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: ”I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by Law.

    What does that mean? That means they are bound by an SOLEMN Oath to support and defend the Constitution and the Preamble to the Bill of Rights.

    On 8 June, 21 July, 13, to 18-19 Aug. 1789 [8 June]

    Mr. Madison rose, and reminded the House that this was the day that he had heretofore named for bringing forward amendments to the Constitution, as contemplated in the fifth article of the Constitution, addressing the Speaker as follows: This day, Mr. Speaker, is the day assigned for taking into consideration the subject of amendments to the Constitution. As I considered myself bound in honor and in duty to do what I have done on this subject, I shall proceed to bring the amendments before you as soon as possible, and advocate them until they shall be finally adopted or rejected by a Constitutional majority of this House. With a view of drawing your attention to this important object, I shall move that this House do now resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union; by which an opportunity will be given, to bring forward some propositions, which I have strong hopes will meet with the unanimous approbation of this House, after the fullest discussion and most serious regard. I therefore move you, that the House now go into a committee on this business.

    The Amendments to the Constitution and Bill of Rights passed and became law in 1889.

    Preamble:
    Congress OF THE United States begun and held at the City of New York, on Wednesday the Fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.

    Did you understand the Preamble? In order to prevent ‘misconstruction’ or ‘abuse’ of its powers, as by the Constitutional requirement, they are ‘BOUND’ and are ‘SWORN’ to “support” and “defend” the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, and the Preamble to the Bill of Rights, they have taken a Solemn Oath. The answer to holding government from passing any repugnant bill(s) by the political manipulation of language by obfuscation is in the Solemn Oath test. This would also include uniform officer such as the police, state government and Judicial Officers for enforcing obfuscated laws.

    Wake up America and use your ‘People’ powers to keep government from misconstruction or abuse of its powers.

  • Michael J.

    Mike in MI,
    If you are old enough to remember a child’s toy called a spinning top or have ever observed a gyrosphere in motion, you will recall that the rotation is not straight up and down, but has a slight wobble that becomes more pronounced as the objects rate of rotation decreases. The Earth and all celestial bodies adhere to the same principles which is one of the factors/ingredients that influence climate change by varying the the amount of Earth’s surface area that is exposed to the Sun’s energy in a reoccuring cycle of about 26K years.

    As you mentioned, Plate Tectonics is another of many contributing factors in climate change. Like when you have the tires on your car balanced and the technician adds or removes weights to reflect how your tires rotate on the axles, The Earth too is affected by mass migrations of it’s crust.

    Click on the link provided for some basics on Earth’s wobble and it’s affect on climate:
    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/milankovitch.html

    Notice, while the link provided is informative, it’s worthwhile noting that NOAA is a government entity and therefore probably tainted. Research before you rely.

  • DaveH
  • DaveH
    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      This would be why the liberal press and liberals in general constantly attack Walmart, because they cannot stand anyone being successful, as they are blatant failures. All they want to point out is that Walmart buys stuff from China, while failing to report that Walmart also is the biggest buyer in the World of Made in USA items. If they followed Walmarts business acumen, they wouldnt bankrupt every stinking thing they touch, and they wouldnt be taking my money and giving it to some crack head on the corner that doesnt want to work for it. While Walmart strives for success, as the American Dream is, it seems the government more and more seeks to punish those that succeed and reward those who fail, thus the need for all these massive government hand out programs, constantly expanded by the democrats to attract voters who buy into the lie that they are for the poor and the working man. It couldnt be further from the truth.

      • 45caliber

        That’s why they are so jealous of Bill Gates too. It isn’t fair for someone else to get rich because they are smarter. Everyone should know the smartest people are in government because they know how to get money from the people for nothing.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Our founders mandated that the best way “to promote (not provide) the general welfare” was through a limited republic, not an unlimited de-mob-ocracy.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Slavery is unconstitutional (illegal), but our DC employees force A at gunpoint to pay B’s bills. That forces A into slavery to B. On the other hand, private insurance companies and voluntary charities provide safety nets without creating a slave class, a parasite class, a criminal political class, rampant poverty, and massive public debt.

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. Slavery is the forced labor of one person for the betterment of someone else. Whether it is done by beating you with a whip to pick crops or beating you with sticks and fists to make you prostitute yourself for their benefit or to take your money at gunpoint to give to someone else (and keep a sizeable part for themselves) it is all the same.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Government sponsored Ponzi Schemes are unconstitutional (illegal), but our DC employees have forced our grandchildren to invest in them through massive debt.

    When are you going to get mad at your employees in DC and put them in jail for disobeying the law?

    • 45caliber

      It isn’t against the law; it is just against the law for anyone outside of politics to engage in it. The government retains such privileges for itself. Just as they retain the privilege of armed robbery (called taxation) for themselves.

    • JC

      And that theft is enforced.
      (not a blanket statement so much as cause to reflect)

      “It is a policeman’s duty to protect men from criminals — criminals being those who seize wealth by force. It is a policeman’s duty to retrieve stolen property and return it to its owners. But when robbery becomes the purpose of the law, and the policeman’s duty becomes, not the protection, but the plunder of property — then it is an outlaw who has to become a policeman.”
      – Ayn Rand
      (1905-1982) Author
      Source: Atlas Shrugged, P. 535 (1957)

  • chuckb

    Oh, to have Thomas Jefferson as our president today!

    Resume of Thomas Jefferson

    Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very
    early in life and never stopped.

    At 5, began studying under his cousins tutor.

    At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.

    At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.

    At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.

    At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.

    At 23, started his own law practice.

    At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.

    At 31, wrote the widely circulated “Summary View of the
    Rights of British America” and retired from his law practice.

    At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.

    At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence .

    At 33, took three years to revise Virginias legal code
    and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.

    At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia
    succeeding Patrick Henry.

    At 40, served in Congress for two years.

    At 41, was the American minister to France and
    negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben
    Franklin and John Adams.

    At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George
    Washington.

    At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president
    of the American Philosophical Society.

    At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the
    active head of Republican Party.

    At 57, was elected the third president of the United States.

    At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation’s size.

    At 61, was elected to a second term as President.

    At 65, retired to Monticello.

    At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.

    At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of
    Virginia and served as its first president.

    At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the
    Declaration of Independence along with John Adams

    Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous
    failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the
    nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way
    more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his
    stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:

    John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of
    the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this
    statement: “This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever
    to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when
    Thomas Jefferson dined alone.”

    When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe,
    we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
    Thomas Jefferson

    The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
    who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
    Thomas Jefferson

    It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it
    goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of
    the world.
    Thomas Jefferson

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
    government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
    taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson

    My reading of history convinces me that most bad government
    results from too much government.
    Thomas Jefferson

    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
    Thomas Jefferson

    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep
    and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against
    tyranny in government.
    Thomas Jefferson

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
    blood of patriots and tyrants.
    Thomas Jefferson

    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of
    ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
    Thomas Jefferson

    Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
    liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow
    private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by
    inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will
    grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property -
    until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers
    conquered.

    • Wayne937

      chuckb, what a great, great man. It’s too bad we don’t have men of that caliber today to lead us out of the economic mess we are currently in. Instead, we have a dunce in the White House running all over the country wasting our precious fuel that he is unwilling to drill for. It make me mad as hell just to think about it.

  • ONTIME

    We are picking up steam and moving toward the Political Enema for which we have been long overdue. Congess is no longer representative, they are elite and many dishonorable, the judiciary is bought and paid for and has taken to activism and the branch of government we look to for leadership, it too has now been corrupted and practicing every anti american scheme it can get away with in order to consolidate authority without representation…..How’s that musket feel in your hand now?

  • JC

    I’ve been thinking a lot lately about the way America is turning into a Police State before our very eyes. Si I compiled a (partial) list of Police Agencies in America:

    Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
    Department of Justice (USDOJ)
    Department of State (DOS)
    Department of Commerce (DOC)
    Department of Treasury
    Department of Defense
    Department of Education
    Department of Health and Human Services
    Department of Agriculture (USDA)
    Department of the Interior (USDI)
    Central Intelligence Agency Security Protective Service (SPS)
    Federal Reserve Police
    Library of Congress Police
    National Security Agency Police (NSA Police)
    Smithsonian National Zoological Park Police
    United States Capitol Police (USCP)
    United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS)
    United States Supreme Court Police
    Veterans Affairs Police
    State police
    State Bureau of Investigation
    Highway patrol
    County Police
    City Police
    TSA
    BATFE
    CIA

    Feel free to add to the list if you know of more.

    • chuckb

      jc, you left out the biggest threat of all: the “epa”

    • JC

      I missed ICE too

    • Karolyn

      DEA

    • Tom Anderson

      I think you have got it wrong. The more diverse and various law enforcement agencies the better.

      When a Democratic Republic transforms to a Dictatorship (like NAZI Germany or pre-war Japan) a VERY CRUCIAL step was that ALL of the police agencies were put under CENTRAL control (in Germany it was the SS/Gestapo).

      And you can see the same starting to happen in the USA – States being forced to integrate their data files with Homeland Security and the US Military. ICE in local police dept etc.

      Recall that it was NOT local yocal police who were driving the US Army tanks which murdered all of those kids and women in WACO – it was simply US Soldiers who were simply “following orders”. US Soldiers are ALWAY loyal and obedient and when they are ordered to round up and torture and kill Ron Paul gun-toting terrorists THEY WILL OBEY and leave the legal considerations of whether the order was consitutional to attorneys – AFTER THE FACT.

      You needn’t worry about US soldiers disobeying orders or having to worry about this order or that order being constitutional or not.

      • JC

        Well, a difference of opinion I suppose.
        My observation is that all but the most local of Police Agencies get their marching orders from pretty much the same place.
        Oathkeepers comes to mind, but I can’t be sure what the saturation of American Patriots would be in any Police Force these days.
        All in all, I’m hopeful they are loyal to the country…not the Globalists.

      • Michael J.

        Tom Anderson,
        I suspect that the Elite’s do not agree that today’s military will obey orders aimed against their own brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers. That’s the reason for the push to inject homosexuals into the ranks. Once these individuals obtain stars and bars on their uniforms, we will see a vastly different outfit willing to inflict what ever pain and injustice the Elite’s desire.

        • Cawmun Cents

          HUZZAH!Thankfully a person who sees the agenda!Thank you Micheal J.you have made my day.-CC.

        • Tom Anderson

          Michael,

          Are you insinuating that the soldiers who drove those tanks at WACO were all gay/lesbo?

          The NAZIs and Japanese atrocities did not require that GAYS be part of the requirement.

          I think that there is ample historical fact that straights are fully capable of torturing and killing their own citizens and neighbors.

          At least Ike and Gen. Washington thought so – - those two patriots didn’t have to bring the issue of gays into the equation.

          I believe your premise is wrong. There was plenty of fragging going on in Nam and WW2-Europe by straights. And those soldiers were killing their OWN officers – where THEY gay?

          Are we safer with straights or gays in our military? I have no idea. And Ike did NOT say, beware the MIC “if there are a bunch of gays in the MIC”. There is no need to bring gays into this equation.

  • chuckb

    ontime, something tells me we may have to get the feel of that musket again. the government is lying about our financial predicament, i believe it is much worse than they tell.

    maybe it’s our christian principals that got us into this mess, we cannot feed the whole world and we cannot support those that come here illegally. some where along the line we have to say no! no more illegals, no more military operations in foreign countries. no more liberal government.

    we certainly need a complete overhaul of the congress and senate, these guys have set up a kingdom of their own and we are nothing but peasants to do their will.

    do you think for one minute that a large part of our population is going to standby while we make the necessary changes, like gov’t. employment, government agencies, our education system. it’s not going to happen, they will suck the last drop of milk and then anarchy. wisconsin is proof, these people have only one thought and that’s their own benefit. we can thank the unions and the democrats for this mess and the weak kneed republicans for going along with them.

    that’s where the musket will come in.

  • Bob

    Federal Emergency Management Agency FEMA has the potential to be the next KGB.

  • Tom Anderson

    FEMA is part of the MIC – what more do you need to know

    Moslems aren’t going to get us.

    Commies aren’t going to get us.

    We will loose our liberties to the MIC (per Washington and Ike)

  • Tom Anderson

    Only fools would consider Moslems a threat to our liberties – their hatred of science relegates them to obscurity. Remember that our CIA escorted the underpants bomber onto the plane – it is ALL a ruse by the MIC.

    Doesn’t anyone on these blogs know that Obama and Bush (Snr & Jnr) are all CIA assets – ALL part of the MIC??? What is wrong with you so-called CONSERVATIVES. The real threat is, as Ike and Gen Washington pointed out from our own MIC – always has been and always will be.

    Obama’s grandma, Obama’s Mommy and Obama are ALL CIA “assets”. His Mommy was a CIA sex-plaything when she got impregnated by Obama’s Daddy.

    Obama’s Daddy was flown out of Kenya by the CIA and he met the Mommy under CIA sponsorship – Obama was simply the weak “glue” that held them together (for a VERY short time).

    Obama’s new daddy in Indonesia was the chief CIA guy in Indonesia.

    Birth Certificate – it is ALL CIA forgery and the CIA MUST (by Federal Law) lie and obfuscate about ANY and ALL CIA “assets” – it is Federal Law and CIA policy.

    Obama’s graduation certificates are just CIA forgeries.

    Don’t EVER criticize Obama for being Socialist (which he is) BEWARE of him because he follows orders (as did the Bushes) from his Master the MIC. Pray for our USA to be protected from our MIC!!!

    You guys/gals are all falling for this Obama-Socialist ruse. It is the MIC which is eating us alive – Obama is just the latest “face” of the MIC.

  • i41

    dan in az, the water in still coming up in the north Platte and will go into Ne. Mt is still got plenty of snow and with 80-90 degrees the snow will be coming down pretty fast the and will hit the Missouri River. In SD the Belle Fourche River crested and went down pretty fast in 3 days. The biigest problems are the moronic idoits who want to live by streams and think the Army Corp of Engineers are the more useful than a pocket on a shirt. These morons only plan is too keep barrages floating down the Missouri River from Sioux City to the NO. Dams in Mt, Wyo, ND and SD. were all dumped too late is what caused the flooding. Rains were pretty intense but the release of all the dams were another government f–k up. My son-in-laws mother and dad came up here last week and didn’t have a problem getting up to Mt and going thru Wyo and all over western SD. Hopes this helps. chuchb, if we would do away with the worthless 31/2 decade old welfare program that idles over 30 miiion acres of farm ground, which now averages 50 bushel an acre, some I have combined 85 bushel of winter wheat off of in the late 60′s and up to the 1980. The same ground beside it made over 110 bushels an acres each year the last 3 years. So if 10 million acres were planted into wheat. yeilding 40 bushels an acre, and a bushel of wheat makes 35 loaves of a 1 1/2 pound loaves. Take the other 10 million acres and produce corn which averages about 200 bushels an acres, even if half was used as ethanol the dried protein can be feed to beef, chicken and porkers. So when the simple minded idiots complain about subsidizes I agree, buthe beltway idiots in Dept of Energy forget the ewsidue that is feed of livestock, which livestock producers a $100 a ton, minus trucking. Just more facts the elected dumb butts can not comprehend. As for the remaining 10 million acres plant it in to soybeans. The soybeans do not grow too good in the SE because ground is deficency of phosphorus and magnesium due to eons of hurricanes. so other crops will have to plant there. Same as up north and west, spring and winter wheat is the crop that can be grown as a premium crop. Corn takes more moisture and need hot and hunid grown time. If the government beltway agencies would be dissolved we could feed the world again if producers weren’t under overpaid government worker morons who don’t have aclue what to do but shuffle papers.

  • Dinah Garrison

    @Robert Ringer
    But you came full circle in your argument. The problem IS the large number of Americans who want to be given, given, given. They will continue to vote for the politicians who do the giving. We are to the per centage now that almost won’t allow for this to be reversed. And then we have the risk of splitting the conservatives, not over constitutional issues but social. It won’t take long for the Democrats to start making
    hay from this. I am so worried about what has and is happening to the rule of law. I think we are in real trouble.

  • JC

    Our Most Dangerous Enemy:
    (explained in a rather funny cartoon, you’ll love the ending) :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD1G7f4bE0w&feature=related

  • Thinking About

    From what I am reading I’m these post sounds like a lot are living next to bin Laden complex and listening to his old releases. Apparently you are sheep and bin Laden is your shepard.

    • DaveH

      Do you think denigrating others somehow elevates you?

  • DaveH
  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Just ask any college student; ” The Constitution ? Oh that quaint old piece of paper written about a thousand years ago by a bunch of racist rich white guys. It’s a living document that can be bent, changedm and broken at the whim of the people and the gvt. Kind of like being able to change the rules in a poker game mid-hand. It stands in the way of the utopia of a one world gvt. Just ask Hillary.” The reality is that the Constituion means what it says and is the owner’s manual for this country. The nation gets in trouble whenever it ignores the Constitution. Kind of like putting 75″ of air in your tires when the manual calls for 35.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Does it surprise you that marxists have invaded and taken command of the institutions of higher learning,comrade?When the opportunity to cleanse this filth from our nation was passed on by the content masses of the past?Hollywood portrayed the process as a witch hunt,and now the entire educational system is infested with radical socialism and communist idealism.Yet we still hope that the filthy rich from that institution of moviemaking will entertain us properly.You dont need an education comrade,when the Hollywood express comes by you just jump on for a brief ride and get your programming adjusted.Then when your kids go off to school and they are taught to despise what America is truly about,you can just toss some popcorn in the old microwave,and watch a movie and forget about it.Your programming is nearly complete.All you need now is for Uncle Scam to take you by the hand and lead you to the promised land.The nanny state is a beautiful thing isnt it?-CC.

  • Verus Langham

    Bob Livingston is so right in his brilliant analysis! It isn’t any longer fashionable nor politically correct to merely argue the issues of Constitutionality unless we first can walk away from that mirror and know in our hearts and minds the sacrifices we must make if we want to see America as a genuine heritage to protect for our posterity, and then resolve to commit our lives and our fortunes to the furtherance of that cause alone… put aside our beliefs that we are entitled to anything but what we have legally earned – entitlement programs guaranteed by the government be damned (the liberal left has already figured out a diatribe, a plethora of rebuttal that sounds just right as they spoon-feed us in our self-sustaining of our personal values – they have looked into their own collective mirror and care not a whit what the reflection reports back). The time for all patriots of the American way must at once redefine themselves by changing their character mold to exempt themselves from dependence upon governmental handouts; focus on what is best for our children’s inheritance (an America in which her dream was for the advancement of every individual who was willing to roll up their sleeves, go to work and raise up families that have the greatest respect for God, country and those families- in that order. Presently what we’ve come to see is the order of things turned upside down and then diced: we think first of ourselves then our children and sometimes thank God for His blessings and have lost sight of His grand plan for all of our lives. The Founding Fathers have affirmed this time and time again, that a man who does not completely reliy upon and trust in God, and tolerate government only so far as “necessity dictates”, then all sorts of mayhem will befall him throughout his entire life. Judging from the incredible risks they took, taking refuge in that powerful faith that God alone could deliver this fledgling nation from the might and power of the British army and sustain them through the ensuing years should evoke from each one of us who truly value that heritage given to us by their intense resolve a higher sense of character.

  • Verus Langham

    Correction to my previous…. Robert Ringer vice “Bob Livingston”; sorry Robert.

  • Charles

    What do you think got us where we are to day? There is one and only one thing, Goverment. The 600 or so people that we trust to protect
    us and serve us has done a miserable job. It goes from the President,
    Congress and to the almighty Suprem Court. It`s not a only a Republican thing nor a Democrat thing, it`s both parties to-gether. For their past aggresions of Coruption and poor governing, they let the
    ugly head of the Progressives which we fought major wars to keep out
    of America and who are mostly made up of Socialists,Marxists and
    Communists to take over our goverment. They have forced their agenda
    upon us with as little of a fight to stop them. It seams like a great
    number of people don`t realize how dangerous these people are. They are very
    good at what they do from deception to imitation. Under the radar, they have honed their craft to almost excelance. Please wake up America, that the media is not telling you the truth and in many cases are being ran by these people. We the people, have a choice in
    2012 to make a choice EVIL vs GOOD. Make the wrong choice and we will pay for it the rest of our lives. Maybe after all, Hell is on earth,
    because that is what it will seam like.

  • Charles

    Chuckb,
    I agree with you as I have said for some time the EPA is the most
    dangerous thing in America. Now, I added one other thing to tie with
    the EPA and that might even be more dangerous than the EPA and that is
    the people that voted for Obama and still back him. The Independents
    of which I am one and the Republicans and whats left of the Democrat
    party, still if joined, to-gether can cut this cancer from our goverment
    in 2012 and hopefully run them out of here for good.

  • chuckb

    you are right, the population of this country is becoming more ignorant of politics each day, they are more concerned with soap operas, oprah and sports, absolute foolishness. they are led by a communist orientated media and an education system that’s dysfunctional.

  • Paul Revere

    http://www.infowars.com/breaking-secret-bilderberg-agenda-leaked-by-mole/
    Alex Jones and Infowars.com have received inside information regarding the Bilderberg agenda now unfolding in the idyllic Swiss countryside.
    According to AFP journalist and legendary Bilderberg sleuth Jim Tucker’s inside sources, the agenda now under review includes a number of critical issues at the top of the elite’s to-do list. These breakdown as follows:
    The elite are concerned that the American Congress may soon turn against the illegal and immoral invasion under humanitarian cover by NATO and the U.S. against the north African dictator Moammar Gaddafi.
    As columnist Patrick Buchanan noted yesterday, Congress is rising in opposition to bogus wars launched the by the executive branch in violation of the Constitution.
    “Last week, House Speaker John Boehner had to scramble to cobble up a substitute resolution to prevent half his GOP caucus from joining with Democrats to denounce President Obama’s war in Libya as unconstitutional and to demand a total U.S. pullout in 15 days,” Buchanan wrote.
    More than a third of House Republicans voted to pull out of the NATO coalition attacking Gaddafi’s forces, in essence forcing a NATO withdrawal from the color revolution engineered civil war in that country.
    In January, former oil industry pastor revealed that his inside sources said oil prices will skyrocket – a fait accompli with gas prices at the pump now at historically high levels – as the global elite work behind the scenes to take take down national economies. Williams appeared on the Alex Jones Show to talk about new revelations that deal with the death of the dollar, exploding energy prices, and the engineered onset of order out of chaos revolution worldwide.
    The elite now meeting behind closed door in the Switzerland are pushing for a wider war and incalculable suffering in the Middle East.
    The money masters have long profited from war and mass murder. Nathan Rothschild made a financial bet on Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo and while also funding the Duke of Wellington’s peninsular campaign against Napoleon. The House of Rothschild financed the Prussian War, the Crimean War and the British attempt to seize the Suez Canal from the French and also financed the Mexican War and the Civil War in the U.S.
    In addition to worrying about Congress waking up to the Libyan scam, the global elite is also concerned about a diverse liberty movement that has grown exponentially with the help of an open and free internet. Full Article at: http://www.infowars.com/breaking-secret-bilderberg-agenda-leaked-by-mole/

    http://www.prisonplanet.com is live streaming and broadcasting the goings on at St. Moritz Switzerland at the hotel where the Bilderberg Group is meeting to plan their Chaos around the world, to take us to, “One World Government”, this on the Television Broadcast on http://www.prisonplanet.com and broadcast live on the radio program at http://www.infowars.com

    All kinds of coverage that the Main Stream Media is not carrying!

  • Charles

    chuckb,
    CNN reports 75% of the people in one of their polls saythey still love Obama. If this is only half true Obama will win in 2012.

    • Wayne937

      Maybe Cnn is just plain lying trying to get this jerk elected again, Charles.

  • Charles

    Wayne,I

  • Charles

    WAYNE,
    I`m sure they are lying, but remember I said Half.

  • Terry Crane

    The current Whitehouse occupant had barely taken the oath and his handlers and he (in that order) had just started “making changes” when my son and I came to the same conclusion-they want to ruin our economy so that the populace has to be beholding to the federal government for everything! HMMMM! Come on “loyal opposition,” it’s not ‘rocket science.’

  • Eve Dallas

    @Terry Crane, doubtful you will see this as this blog entry/comments are from a year ago, but on the off-chance someone might see this, I just want to say, “Here we go again.” The previous administration UNarguably left grubby fingerprints all over the Constitution, but where were complaints from the right THEN? The former president declared war on a country based knowingly on a lie–and fooled the public into believing it by using the one man MOST people actually had faith in, Colin Powell, as their patsy–but where were complaints from the right THEN? (Little did we know there actually WERE ‘weapons of mass destruction’ but not the kind we thought. The “weapons” were the deliberate lies and the “mass destruction” was what we did to the millions of innocent Iraqis, our own troops, and our exonomy, because Bush et al. had no clear goals for the invasion, and assuredly had NO plans for egress NOR how this war would be paid for.. It was fake-it-up-as-you-go-along (or substitute “fake” for another 4-letter word; still has the same meaning). Between the bogus nonexistent WMDs as the cause for the invasion, Bush lying about the cost of his Medicare Modernization Act, no clue about how to pay for either, and repealing Glass-Steagall, the financial meltdown was a sure bet. One that the GOP couldn’t spin no matter how hard they tried. And all PREDATED Obama (whom I did not vote for, incidentally) being elected OR sworn in.

    As for transfer of wealth, conservatives have GOT to come up with a new, original meme. This one rings so hollow and continuous, we should all have tinnitus by now. REAL wage growth for the middle class has been nearly nonexistent for more than a decade. But that top 10% has seen actual, measurable gains in wealth. If there HAS been a wealth transfer, it has been in the form of more wealth for the already wealthy. Even the Heritage Foundation (or CATO) cannot credibly counter that one with a straight face.

    The only avenues for the middle class to prosper is through measurable increased wages (the opposite has happened); increasing home values (we all know how that one is going); sound investment in mutual funds and other instruments (which if you are barely getting by on your salary, chances are there is little left over for investing). And so the middle class continues doggy paddling in fast-rising waters.

    Interestingly, everyone and everything has been blamed, but for one glaring category: Americans themselves. Those who use their credit cards to charge their way into a better lifestyle; those who were not the victims of predatory lenders but their OWN greed, buying more house than they could ever have afforded and/or trying to flip houses though they knew little about real estate to begin with.

    And while conservatives cry about Obama putting us into debt we can never recover from, I don’t recall a single unemployed conservative saying “No thank you” when Obama extended unemployment benefits once, twice. So it is odd to hear complaints about welfare, about entitlement programs not being Constitutional, when not one person cashing their Obama-extended unemployment check stopped to worry if THAT was constitutional.

    So can we stop with the manure? It is beyond knee deep and I don’t have waders.

    NEITHER political party cares about the middle class. They care about ratcheting up the hyperbole as often as necessary to keep Americans arguing with each other, so that they don’t unite and turn their ire on the deserved target: Congress itself. Dems and Repubs who both are most interested in maintaining and growing their party’s power. We should be turning on THEM, kicking every single incumbent out in November to show we have finally reached the limits of OUR patience. That their are consequences to their partisan sideshows and childlike antics. Maybe it is time We the People shook up the government. Our elected officials should at ALL times feel vulnerable, worried about THEIR jobs instead of worrying about keeping their campaign donors and the corporatists happy.

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