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Organization Protests Plans For NYC Mosque

May 26, 2010 by  

Organization protests plans for NYC mosqueEarly next month a self-described human rights organization will conduct a rally at Ground Zero in New York City to protest the construction of a mosque at the site where terrorists brought down the Twin Towers on Sept. 11, 2001.

Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) plans the rally for June 6 and has invited anyone interested to join, especially those who lost family or friends, or who were injured on Sept. 11.

"What could be more insulting and humiliating than a mosque in the shadow of the World Trade Center buildings that were brought down by an Islamic jihad attack?" asked SIOA executive director Pamela Geller.

She added that "any decent American, Muslim or otherwise, wouldn’t dream of such an insult. It’s a stab in eye of America."

SIOA says it works to defend human rights, religious liberty and the freedom of speech against "Islamic supremacist intimidation" and to block any attempts to bring elements of Sharia law to the United States.

According to the organization, groups supporting the June 6 event include ACT! for America (ACT! Manhattan chapter), Z Street, Freedom Defense Initiative, Faith Freedom International and the Center for Security Policy.
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  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Are you kidding me? What idiot agreed to let this happen?

    • Jimmie

      Here we go again – we can’t have prayer in school, we can’t have prayer at the football games, anywhere but it’s okay to put a Mosque in the middle of the most horrendous terrorist attacks in the U.S.A. Now you all know this had to be accepted by our Mosque leader Barrack Obama. If you think things are bad now, wait til we have sharia law….You all need to get your internet out and order some books on the Quoran. Don’t go to the site where they supposedly have the Quoran translated into English. I checked that one out. What a joke….

      • RickyD

        Amen Jimmie. This is THE MOST preposterous thing I have heard in my 62 years. They need to STOP this from being built AT ALL COST. This would be the biggest slap in America’s face to allow such a building to be built at ground zero. If New York doesn’t stop this then they are truly in the starting of saying good bye to a great city, traditional pride and the downfall of Christian Life as they knew it. Why don’t they build a Catholic Church instead? I moved from California because they OK’ed and built an Islamic Mosque in my city and on downtown main street where I lived for 45 years there were business’ with NEON SIGNS in Arabic.

        • Mary

          I dont necessarily follow your comment. I just didn’t want to go all yhe way to the end again-reading comments.
          I was in London about 3-4 yers ago and at noon, the “call” came over the loud speaker in the tower that noon prayers would begin. It seemed fairly sudden but then the streets were crowded with muslims going to prayers. . Traffic stopped. happened again when they were over. I was stunned.

      • Harald

        Jimmie: Can’t help it, can you! Anything to get a black man out of office. Get a life, man.
        And no, there shouldn’t be a mosque there.

        • JeffH

          Harald, what is it with you and other Obama supporters that require that you constantly use the “race” card as an excuse for the Obama detractors. It is an old, worn out shoe and inexcusable.
          You sound just like ACORN’s Bertha Lewis or SEIU President Andy Stern, both of whome are promoting and participating the socialistic uprising against America.

          • Palin12

            Jeff, did you see the video of Bertha Lewis being arrested a couple days ago? Oh man, I loved it! She was out protesting Arizona’s immigration law.

          • JeffH

            Palin12, oh yes indeed…a case of “you reap what you sow”. I’m starting to get the feeling that the “winds are a changin” direction and there is a glint of light at the end of the tunnel.

          • Palin12

            Well the early voting primaries are here now. I did my part on Monday. I see Obummer is campaigning for Boxer again, instead of concerning himself with the BP mess.

          • JeffH

            I’ve already sent in my absentee ballot and am activly supporting Jim Patterson in District 29(Fresno) whom I’ve met and is the former 2 term mayor and another for assembly…Linda Halderman, who, along with Patterson, spoke at at a conservative group function which I’m a member of. Both highly endorsed and grassroot conservatives.

        • John

          Harold, get over it and quit playing the race card. I’m Hispanic and I support AZ’s immigration law. My father is from Mexico and he is a WWII Vet. He is still here today and the only flag that has ever been displayed at our home is the American Flag.

          On another note our President is inept and lacks integrity! Nothing to do with race unless you make it a race issue.

          Getting back to the issue at hand, this is truly disgusting and beyond belief that such a thing could take place. Sharia law? I don’t think so. My powder is dry.

        • Allan

          Right on both counts, Obama should be out of office, and there shouldn’t be a mosque at ground zero. As I mentioned once before in a post, the color I’m concerned about is red, not black.

        • JC

          Harald…you think it’s about Obama being black?
          Sorry to disappoint you and your race card, but it’s about him being
          A) Not eleigible to be the POTUS
          B) Him being a Globalist / Marxist
          C) His fiscal policies are not a change…unless “worse” is the change.

          And I would dearly love to see Alan Keyes in the White House.
          He is a black man too….but he’s an American black man who advocates Constitutional values.

          So put away the race card…it’s meaningless.

    • James

      Robin, It was the idiot who owns the WTC property.

  • Julie

    This is a slap in the face. What idiotic zoning commission or whatever they have in NYC approved this? How did these Muslims think that this might be a good idea???!!!

    • jomama

      I know, Julie, it’s insane.
      But we wouldn’t want them to get upset or anything.
      (I’m being sarcastic)
      I’m sure that the “Chief Muslim in charge” thinks that it’s okay.

      • Jana

        jomama,
        I was listening to a discussion today about these Mosques. Putting up a Mosque shows a sign of victory in that area for Islam. They have conquered.

        This is a very sad situation as they do feel they have been victorious over the Twin Towers and over New York, and they intend to be victorious for Islam in the whole United States.

    • Stan Lee

      Julie: Of course, this all happened in liberal NYC. These myopic New Yorkers voted with “eyes wide shut.” If they thought they were doing something nobly liberal, they better look again. It was reported that of the 30 members of zoning board to vote on this issue, 29 were for, one was against. I live about 90 miles from NYC and do all I can to avoid ever going into that cesspool.

      • northern guy

        “Fallen, fallen babylon will become” there is a connection.

    • AZ Rifleman

      I agree Julie,

      Regardless of the IMPLIED purpose for buildong of this Mosque, I believe and feel in my heart, the REAL intention is to imortalize and memorialize a (cowardly) attack against our country. This is not an effort to help heal wounds, but an ongoing endeavor to keep them open.

      • Jana

        AZ,
        That is what they were saying today in a discussion. Islam was victorious and this Mosque verifies it.

  • Louis T Luca Jr

    I have only question for any mosque to be built at the site of the muslims massacre of 3,000 innocent
    civilian american lives. You can build a mosque here only if a non-muslim church or synagogue is
    built in Muslim countries. Very simple.

    • Jimmie

      Perfect – What’s good for the goose is good for the gander – but you know that isn’t going to happen. We gave an inch and they are taking miles. Soon we will all be worshiping in a Mosque. A woman can’t even drive a car in a Muslim country (a soldier even) Why do we have to respect every fricking law in all the world and no one has to respect ours?

      • Jana

        Jimmie,
        Yes, we know that isn’t going to happen because they persecute Christians in these countries. They rape the women and they kill the men. They like to torture Christians in these Islamic countries, and they know HOW to torture.

  • s c

    Did der Obummer go to Washington to cater to the whims of anyone who hates America? It definitely puts a new angle on presidential oaths and what it really means to ‘protect’ America.
    Could it be that Bloomberg and Obummer are cut from the same diseased, contaminated cloth? I’d like to hear anyone in this puke administration defend the idea that groups hostile to America deserve protected status. If The Chosen One isn’t careful, he’s going to have one of his many masks ripped off.

  • m p

    not only will it be built there it is to be opened on September 11th

  • http://www.freedomspitchfork.blogspot.com Freedom’s Voice

    To Robin From Arcadia, IN–Plans for the mosque have actually been ongoing for over a year. Proponents of the mosque met with local community organizers and council members and somehow persuaded them that the mosque would be a cultural bridge and bring peace, harmony and healing to the community. In fact they aren’t even really calling it a mosque but have termed it a “community center” where “everyone would be welcome.” The problem with that is Mosques ARE community centers for those who follow Islam! So basically what they are building IS a mosque!! What has happened here in NY is that groups like CAIR, riding the waves of political correctness, cultural sensitivity, and freedom of religion, have managed to fool community leaders into thinking it is a good idea. And now the community faces the very real possibility of having a mosque go up near ground zero with an opening date of Sept 11, 2011. Do not mistake the symbolism of that date!! Symbolic dates are very important to militant Islamists and this date most likely does NOT symbolise peace and harmony. Unfortunately, mosques are opening up all over America, with Muslim groups using the same tactics to gain the support of community leaders. As a matter of fact, google the words “Muslim 100 year plan” and you will find loads of information about how groups like CAIR and The Muslim Brotherhood have goals and plans for the US to be Islamic within 100 years. And they are right on track. If you wish to learn more about how to fight Muslim influence in your community go to ACTforAmerica.org for more information. We as Americans must learn as much as we can about Islam. Through knowledge, awareness and education we will gain the strength to stand against the “Islamitization of America.”

    • airangel

      I know lawyers are in place right now trying to make Ground Zero a historical place to prevent the building of this…I say refund their money on the property and call it a “conflict of interest”..the Muslims and the Hispanics…Good By America…we have too many idiots in power with no common sense

      • John

        Hold on, I’m Hispanic and I support AZ’s immigration law. My father is a WWII Vet as are several of my friend’s fathers.
        Don’t be ignorant and “pigeon hole” all of us into the same category.
        I grew up in the 60s in a middle class white neighborhood. Where the Hispanics spoke English. The Hispanic fathers were WWII Vets.

        By the way my wife is half English and half Danish.

        • airangel

          John, my apologies…I meant to type “illegal Hispanics”, sometimes I don’t re-read what I type before hitting “submit comment”…my bad…I have no problem with Hispanics, even just voted for a primary for Congress come November…he won last night, so hopefully we’ll put him in come November against the Demo in office right now.

          • John

            No worries. I’m certain that we’ll take back our country from these lunatics that are destroying it and make it great again!

        • Jana

          John,
          You and your family are just good Americans. I have a lot of friends who are hispanic, and actually they call themselves Mexicans, but they are good people and I count it an honor to call them my friends, and they said they feel the same way about us (my family).

          I pray you are right in that we will get out country back. They are doing some pretty dastardly things in Washington DC right now. They are wasting no time in voting in some really bad bills.

  • tom343

    I bet the Iron Worker’s Union in their infinite tact, wisdom and skill will see to it that this place rises, then falls, then rises, then falls, then rises but then falls, etc…get it?
    It will be ready for occupancy in June of, say, 2214? At a cost of $300,000,000,000,000,000.98

    • http://?? Joe H.

      tom343,
      Unfortunately the Iron workers most likely won’t be hired on this one. It will be Hasan and company structural iron workers!! You don’t think they would let red blooded Americans on it do you??

  • airangel

    They purchased the property a long time ago and it is just recently Hasam (I think that’s his name) fighting for Sharia Jurisdiction like European nations…a jurisdiction within a jurisdiction…if this happens we will have our own Gaza strip in NYC because these extremist will be in an ideal position to enforce their ways on Americans and don’t say they won’t, we’ve already witnessed it everywhere they infiltrate…it’s chilling (look at the bombs in Europe) we have been pretty lucky thus far but this invites the worst kind of trouble…this is part of their long term goal…I can’t believe we even sold the property to Islamics..that needs to be researched. Did we even know is was for sale? Was there fair open bidding process?

    • Jimmie

      Airangel is right. Once they have their foothold we’re done. In England women frequently wear scarfs over their heads because they don’t want acid thrown in their faces or any other problems from these foreigners that are taking over. If I have read right 20 of the young terrorist captured in Pakistan came from the Mosque in NY where the young man that left a car bomb in NY came from. There should only be one law in the U.S.A. and everyone should follow it. I’m just afraid that with a Muslim President, we’re done. It would be a lot easier to get rid of the Mosques now. Today. In a year – forget it.

      • RickyD

        Hey Jimmie and many others on this blog…Obama’s Marxist reign will be over before we know it. Our votes will take this inept POS out of office and WE THE PEOPLE will be back in control. Not saying that what this clown is doing isn’t goin gto be easy to overturn but KEEP THE FAITH my friends. We will save America at all cost!

      • Jana

        Jimmy,
        Someone ought to invent some bacon flavored spray. That way women could carry it with them and whenever a Muslim man gets too close she could spray that like pepper spray.

        • JeffH

          Jana, now look what you did…made me spit my drink on the laptop screen from laughing.

  • John O’Connor

    I would cry if it burned to the ground.

    • RickyD

      Oh and such a PITTY that would be…but there wouldn’t be 3000 innocents dieing in that one.

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States. A fact!

    Who, in their right minds, will take the contracts (contractors) to actually build this project? What NY tradesman will actually work at the proerty?

    I know who. The Bin Laden family will take the project and build it, with their own people, brought into the USA legally, as “muslim bretheran” of our president! Afterall, they (Osama’s family) is the largest and wealthiest construction country in the middle-east.

    I am sure that Mayor Bloomberg and his City Council will award the project, and will even kick in NYC tax dollars to help fund it!

    • RickyD

      Obama has turned the unions against America. Probably the only way to stop this is to STOP PAYING TAXES. Do you think for one minute that wouldn’t stop everything? There are ways to make the government listen but it will take the masses and proverbial BALLS to accomplish it. Arizona started the process but if it wasn’t for other states starting to follow suit Obama would not have ent any troops to the borders! YOUR VOTE and YOUR PRESSURE is what it takes. Hang in there and let’s DO THE PUSH!!!

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    Oh, and I just remembered. Your elected officials in NYC have spoken.

    Aren’t you glad you voted for these idiots, too!?

  • bobinpa.

    Who authorized this? That is what has to happen. The people responsible for this have to be named and brought out to face the American people. Of course with this LYING Closet-Muslim, Weasel in the White House we will never know. How about they can build this Mosque there AFTER we Build a Baptist Church, a Catholic Church, and a Jewish Synagoge in Mecca.

    • RickyD

      YOU HAVE THE RIGHT IDEA…I love it. Keep up the good work.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Personally, I am glad we have religous freedom in this country. In fact it is one of the founding principles. I am surprised that so many here are against it. I am also surprised so many of you want the government to step into the topic when usually you are against government doing almost anything in the private sector.

      I also recognize that it is radical fundamentalists who are the terrorists. And that goes with practically any religon. The 9/11 terrorists do not reflect the Muslim religon.

      • American Conservative

        The problem is the plan they have for the future. If you want Sharia law in the future, then you are against freedom of religion. If you don’t, then you are for it. There are certain cases where government intervention is important, and national security is one of them.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Again, it is radical fundamentalists who are the terrorists, NOT the Islamic faith or people.

          • Jana

            Doc S,
            But the normal Islamic people are afraid to stand up to the RADICAL ISLAMISTS as they will attack them as well as the infidels, which by the way is you amd me, unless you might be of the Islamic faith Doc.

      • northern guy

        Oh go away to some other country and stay there, Please!

    • JC

      “America is a Muslim country” ~ Barack Hussein Obama.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Ahh JC,
        Too much Fox, too little news.
        from Media Matters at:

        http://mediamatters.org/research/200906030002

        A Fox Nation headline stated, “Obama Says U.S. Is a ‘Muslim Country.’ ” However, the blog post to which the headline linked noted that President Obama said, “[I]f you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.”

        VERY different.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Doc(?) sarvis,
          Coming from Obummer it isn’t different at all!!!

        • JC

          I never watch Fox Doc. I don’t watch Beck or Limbaugh either.
          In fact I rarely turn the TV on at all. I’m a pretty busy guy.
          Anyhow I’ll grant that I may have quoted out of text, but there is much to support the idea that our present POTUS is not only anti American but does in fact support a religion that advocates the death of Americans and the American way. View here: (Youtube – safe)
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd33tunhR64
          Are you going to suggest that I’ve taken these comments out of context too?

          As far as I’m concerned the Oval office is suffering from cancer and immediate surgery is required.

          • Doc Sarvis

            JC
            You have Got To Be Kidding. You can’t expect to make a compelling argument with that YouTube flick. Talk about Out of Context. These snipped together pieces are a joke and any thinking person would see that it is an absurd notion to think it proves a point. This in no way proves that President Obama follows the Islamic faith, not that it should matter in a Free Country with Freedom of Religon.
            As far as this Proud American is concerned, the Oval Office is benefitting from an intelligent, pragmatic, honest, Christian President.

          • JC

            Did he or did he not say those things?
            Is he or is he not sympathetic to Islam?
            Stop hiding behind Political Correctness.
            Obama is a cancer on America and globalist pawn,
            and he is not my President.
            There is no argument to make Doc, we’re way beyond debating here.
            It’s a time for positive action in order to save these United States.
            And liberal political correctness be damned.

          • Doc Sarvis

            JC
            There is “Political Correctness” and there is correctness. I am driving for the latter. What you have posted can, in no way, be considered correct. Even IF your accusations were valid, your postings do not support those accusations. He said the words but all of them in the YouTube video were out of context and therefore have NO credible or valid meaning.

            On your second question about sympathy for Islam; he probably is. He is probably sympathetic to most groups whose identity or name has been usurped by radical groups for an unsanctioned cause. Islam is not the enemy, its followers are not terrorists. It is the radicals who use Islam for evil even when Islam is not evil.

          • JC

            Disagree Doc,
            I think the FACT that Obama bows and apologizes to every enemy nation out there…the FACT that he is undermining everything American…the FACT that he is going to deliberatlet deliver us into the hands of the Globalists…is treason. Period.
            And I’ll say anything I want to about this low life that I want to.
            It’s a free country…right?

          • Doc Sarvis

            JC
            It is indeed a free country. I agree with you on that. It is obvious that you will say anything that you want to because most everything you have said has no basis in truth or FACT (using your emphasis). You have provided no valid arguments to support these accusations and that sad fact is obvious to all.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      bobinpa,
      they might let you build them there, the problem is, they would never let them be occupied!!!!

  • Dave

    I say, let them build it. When it’s filled with 3000 people…Blow it up! It’s called getting even.

    • JC

      It will certainly be a focal point for righteous anger.

  • linda latham

    What is happening in our country that we would even consider letting this happen? Are we a CHRISTIAN nation or what? How are all the victims families ever going to be able to look at it? Run them out and take America back!!

    • Stan Lee

      Yes, we are a Christian nation and I’ve come to believe, in Islam’s case, we have overreacted to the biblical advice “to turn the other cheek.” National common sense has to prevail, and I’m waiting. Americans are so afraid of being “politically incorrect.” Don’t they understand that the “good” Muslims support the bad Muslims by maintaining their silence and supporting evil activities with donations?
      The “good” ones are just as culpable in the Islamic plan to undermine the US Constitution and replace it with their Sharia Law.
      Not much has been mentioned about another fact, because all are so busy protesting about the NYC’s Zoning Board’s 29-1 vote to allow this multi-level mosque construction, which upon completion is scheduled to open on Sept.11th of whatever year it’s completed.
      Keep voting for Liberals, Leftists, Socialists, folks. Then, don’t be surprised if you get more of Islamic encroachment.

      • Jana

        Stan Lee,
        You are so right. The good Muslims are culpable in this through their silence and their money and their fear of retaliation.
        So are the Christians. We have set back and remained silent for too long now.
        They also have a very active ministry for Islam in all of our prisons, and very willing and eager listeners.
        This is NOT a religion of peace. It is a religion of terror and torture to those who will not believe their way.

  • Jim H.

    Need a little salt for that wound? I’m sure the surviving family members of the Twin Tower victims don’t need the insult this would be.

  • RickyD

    If they allow an Islamic Mosque to be built at ground zero then New York will the first casulty and the start of what will eventually be the END to FREE AMERICA. We also do not want Sharia Law in this country. Live by our laws or you can kindly pack up and go back to your wonderful country. I know what Islam is trying to do and it won’t work without serious reprocussions…guaranteed! Islam entered into the wrong country when they came here!

    • northern guy

      You got that right! They are in for a surprise! how fast can a tall tower come crashing down? What goes up must come down. The Truth will set US free!

  • Harald

    Stan Lee says it well. We are way too liberal in political correctness and should send a lot of poeple packing to go to where they can be happy. However, did you notice that he did not mention President Barack Obama? There is absolutely no evidence of him approving of this but the ignorami use every possibility of hanging something negative on a visionary president. I suppose it’s because they just can’t swallow a black man in office. He has to deal with all the powers that were in existence. It’s not easy and takes time.

    • JC

      Ah! The race card again. You socialists really don’t have much ammunition do you? Obama is a foreigner an imposter and a Globalist.
      I don’t care what color he is…he’s an affront to everything American and everything decent.

    • JeffH

      Harald, this is the second time today you have use the term (black man) in reference to the people you don’t agree with are racists.
      Again, a despicable reference.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Harald,
      I don’t care if he is Black, Pink, Blue, or Purple! If he wasn’t for it he would come out against it!! He didn’t, and he supports it!!

    • Jana

      Why Harald,
      You sure notice he is a black man, and you talk like you hate white men.
      Poor Harald, get over it, there are whites and blacks and browns, and if you can’t stand the whites and the browns, then you have a major problem. We don’t judge any man by the color of his skin, but by his character.
      You seem to lack in GOOD character Harald.

  • JC

    If the people of New York City allow this then I say more power to them, they deserve it.
    (How long does a wall have to be to surround NYC anyway?)

  • airangel

    Ten reasons Sharia doesn’t work in the USA…JUST SAY NO to it! And those fighting the “don’t ask, don’t tell military policy”…see #5..are you sure you want to go fight in the Middle East?

    10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped. (many have been caned and flogged)

    9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.

    8. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.(In 2005, an Iranian court orders a man’s eye to be removed for throwing acid on another man and blinding him in both eyes.)…throwing acid on women and people in general is a popular practice with these people.

    7. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off. (they mutilate people all the time and think nothing of it)

    6. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated. (The Quran says: 5:33 Those who wage war against God and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption in the land should be punished by death, crucifixion, the amputation of an alternate hand and foot or banishment from the land: a disgrace for them in this world, and then a terrible punishment in the Hereafter)

    5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.(On April 7, 2005, it was reported that Saudi Arabia sentenced more than 100 men to prison or flogging for ‘gay conduct.) Kuwait stones them to death

    4. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.

    3. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself.

    2. Islam orders apostates to be killed. (Apostates are those who leave Islam, whether they become atheists or convert to another religion. They are supposed to be killed according to the Quran, the hadith, and later legal rulings.)

    1. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.

    Some of the legalized rules of jihad found in the Quran, hadith, and classical legal opinions…

    (1) Women and children are enslaved. They can either be sold, or the Muslims may ‘marry’ the women, since their marriages are automatically annulled upon their capture. (2) Jihadists may have sex with slave women. (3) Women and children must not be killed during war, unless this happens in a nighttime raid when visibility was low. (4) Old men and monks could be killed. (5) A captured enemy of war could be killed, enslaved, ransomed for money or an exchange, freely released, or beaten. (6) Enemy men who converted could keep their property and small children. This law is so excessive that it amounts to forced conversion. Only the strongest of the strong could resist this coercion and remain a non—Muslim. (7) Civilian property may be confiscated. (8) Civilian homes may be destroyed. (9) Civilian fruit trees may be destroyed. (10) Pagan Arabs had to convert or die. This does not allow for the freedom of religion or conscience. (11) People of the Book (Jews and Christians) had three options (Sura 9:29): fight and die; convert and pay a forced ‘charity’ or zakat tax; or keep their Biblical faith and pay a jizya or poll tax.

    There already is a mosque in NYC..the higher concentration of Sharia are in Dearborn, MI, Minnesota and Virginia…can you imagine a jurisdiction in NYC with these laws…oil and water just don’t mix…muslims, Mosques are one thing but this Sharia Law goes against OUR constitution and human rights…just look to England…they are regretting being politically correct right now with these extremists

    • Doc Sarvis

      Don’t forget that there are plenty of strange rules in the Christian Bible as well.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Doc(?) Sarvis,
        There may be, but tell me the last time we stoned, beheaded, caned, amputated, or murdered for not converting to Christianity!!!

        • Jana

          Joe H,
          Have you ever noticed that when someone doesn’t have a good reply they either play the racist card, or accuse the Bible of having some “strange” rules.
          They sure never point them out. That is because they know that someone that does know the Truth, and knows the Bible can refute what they claim.

          • Doc Sarvis

            How about Leviticus 20:11 for one…
            If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die.

          • Doc Sarvis

            And here’s one that we seem to like to accuse the other side of…
            Deuteronomy13:6-10
            If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Hey Doc,
            how about just once answer a question straight out? When was thew last time we did it??? when was the last time we actually stoned a wife for adultery?? don’t be an ass and answer the exact question without deviance!!!

        • Doc Sarvis

          That is basically what we were doing in Iraq, just under disguise.

          • JC

            Doc, we’re in Iraq to increase some corporate bottom lines.
            Our best and bravest are dying for “book entries”. It’s disgusting.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I don’t doubt what you said is true as well, our contentions are not mutually exclusive.

      • northern guy

        please refer to the new testament and the commandment love your neighbor as your self. Your people are headed for a major conversion, soon. God the Father is always in charge! Even though so many people around the world think they are the ones in control. The buck stops here, America that is. You mess with us you mess with Him!
        De Colores!

  • JeffH

    Let them build their mosque almost anywhere else, but do not allow them to build it within sight of “ground zero”. If this building were allowed to go up it would be considered a great victory for jihadists around the world.

    • JeffH

      Very similer to a dog marking it’s territory!

    • American liberal

      I’d think it would be a slap in the face to the terrorist…. Jeff.. You need to do a little more study to understand the diffrence in Muslims and Terrorist…. Two diffrent things…or beings

      • JeffH

        …been there and done that…I will remind you that “The tenth rule… is you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments…. It involves sifting the multiple factors which combine in creating the circumstances at any given time… Who, and how many will support the action?…

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JeffH,
          amlib is forgetting the “normal” muslims that stopped cars in London and forced them to say allah is great when the trade towers were hit!!! These were not terrorists, they were just muslims!!! The people that met and okd the building of this rats nest should be dam happy I’m not the one that decides their punishment for allowing this travesty!!!

      • JeffH

        Why Most Terrorists are Muslims?
        By Abdul-Khaliq Hussein
        Aug 26, 2006

        Why most terrorists are Muslims? I believe, there should be some elements unique to Islam which make some Muslims more vulnerable to become terrorism.

        What are these elements?

        These must be in Islamic teachings, particularly three of the four London bombers on 7/7 had attended Madraseh (Islamic schools) in Pakistan. We, as Muslims have to face the reality no matter how harsh it is. Islam, as any other monotheistic religion, has verses advocating violence. There are many verses in Quran and many Hadiths (the prophet Mohammed’s sayings), which advocate violence for the sake of Islam, slurring and denigrating other religions even justifying killing of people from other faiths. But I would like to mention one verse, one hadith and quote one Islamic scholar, in order to shed light on why some Muslims become terrorists.

        – First, the Quranic verse: “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to ALLAH), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).”(III: 85).

        - Second: Hadith: The Prophet Mohammad said: “I was ordered (by God) to fight people until they say: No God but Allah, and verily Mohammad the messenger of Allah, and any one who says it saves himself, his property and his blood from me”.

        - Third: An influential Wahhabi scholar in Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Saleh Al-Fozan, (Member of the Grand Ulama) and the author of many books in Islamic teachings, says in one of his books: (The belief of the Monotheistic, Pages 93-95): “The Jews and Christians are not people of the book, but they are infidels (kuffar) and we must fight them until they adopt Islam. If they refuse to become Muslim, they forsake their lives, their properties and their families to Muslims, who have the right to take them as slaves.”

        The author has included Muslim Shias with the infidels. This book and hundreds of others of the same tune are freely or cheaply distributed among the Muslims, instigating hatered against non-Muslims and even non-conforming Muslims. The Muslim clerics inculcate the Muslim youth with the teaching that Jihad (the holly war) is their divine duty. If they get killed, they are martyrs, and within a fraction of a second they will be in paradise, received by 72 virgins for each martyr.

        This ideology is the very cause behind Islamic terrorism which needs to be addressed. If Muslim scholars do not address this ideology and wrong interpretation of Islam (the verses and hadiths) to fit with the modern and the civilized world of today, more disasters are likely to happen and in the end the Muslim world would be isolated from the rest of the civilized world.

        http://www.annaqed.com/en/content/show.aspx?aid=15461

      • Claire

        American liberal–I have edited many many manuscripts on terrorism, written by reknown authors–educated and non-biased authors. To me, a Muslim is a Muslim forever. I cannot abide by their faith (cult). I cannot abide by them period!!
        And don’t ask me to have any compassion for them, I have none. I do not approve of their so-called mosque being built near Ground Zero. I am appalled. I wonder how mouch money they paid the state of New York and Bloomberg? Didn’t they have to buy the ground?

        • Claire

          Egad– “much” not MOUCH–maybe I should have said MOOCH.

        • Jana

          Claire,
          I need some bacon fragranced SPRAY!!

  • American liberal

    That’s a common mistake with you rightwingers…. You mistake a Muslim with being a terrorist….only a very ,very small number of Muslims or Arabs are terrorist…I know a lot of you Christians would see nothing wrong with Christians having churches in Muslim countrys… And I’d agree…and I’d also agree that a Muslim church has the same rights a Christian church would have at ground zero… I’d think it would be a slap in the face to the terrorist to have a Muslim church represented at ground zero…. That’s my liberal opinion…. My personal opinion is both Christian and Islam are nonsense and a root cause of evil in this world… Example?.. This article… It’s putted muslim aginst Christian … And your wondering why the two silly religions are always at odds….. Now think about why the Muslims don’t want Jewish settlements on Arab ( Muslim) lands.. see, you despise any Muslims on what you concider Christian lands.. But totally disregard the Arab view of Christians and Jews on their lands….

    • JeffH

      I think Alinsky rule# 6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” fits this comment. Alinsky also liked a good “imagination” in his followers, although the “good” isn’t prevalent in any of your comments.

    • airangel

      Am lib…you’re confusing muslim mosque with this one wanting Sharia Law….big big difference and in direct conflict with the very human rights we protect and our Constitutional Law…we have enough turmoil in this country without inviting this madness

  • American liberal

    If 1.5 billion muslims were all terrorist or even supported the terrorist then we’d already all be dead…I’d also bet that christians have been responsible for killing far more Muslims than Muslims have killed Christians…

    • John

      We’ll see when the time comes.

    • American Conservative

      “I’ll bet” is not very scientific data. Also, just because so-called Christians (such as Crusaders and witch-hunters) have killed more people than some would estimate Muslims have killed, it does not mean that Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a religion of war. The Bible never condoned anything like what the crusades were about.
      The Crusades, however, were partially a response to the Muslim attacks of Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa. The largest reason “the Dark Ages” were called such was that the greatest cities and centers for learning of Christianity (Antioch, Edessa, Constantinople) were all in the Middle East before they were destroyed and taken over by Islam. This is what caused Europe to slide into economic collapse for centuries. The reason the thinking and technology of Europe suffered so greatly during that time was the largest cities and centers of knowledge that fed Europe were taken over. It would be foolish to think that history cannot repeat itself.
      Finally, if a Muslim in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, or any fundamentalist Muslim state converts to Christianity, she will be in danger of her own life because her own family members will try to kill her. This is not something that the Koran condemns! If a Christian converts to Islam, her family members will pray for her to repent. Which one do you think is more peaceful? Which one would you rather have influencing your government officials?
      The question isn’t whether a majority of Muslims condone terrorism or not, but whether Islam condones terrorism or not. Mohammad took over the Middle East with military power, killing dissidents. Jesus died for followers and dissidents alike. We will have a very difficult existence when the government and the key individuals controlling it condone Jihadist terrorism, regardless of what the average Muslim citizen approves of.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        American Citizen,
        this is proven by Bari Rafiq who ran away from her parents and went to Florida to live with Christians because she truly believed her life to be forfeit! the courts sent her back to her parents, but luckily the child welfare people stepped in and are only permitting non-personal visits that are observed!
        On a non-related note, it was reported this week that she has cervical cancer!

        • JeffH

          Joe H., I read about that earlier on the website I posted earlier about Muslims and terrorism.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            Sorry it took so long to answer, I wasn’t on yesterday and only a little the day before. I read about Rifqa in our paper the other day. Poor kid’s been through hell the past couple of years!!!

    • northern guy

      Christians were here way before any muxlim existed

  • Ed Bertolas

    Infuriating ……..My fellow New Yorkers will never let these insensitive insulting MF’kers build . It will never be finished , not in NYC . They will not let it stay up if it gets up ……..No way ……Too Much meaning to the site, the people who dies 5 times over , the cops and fireman and the true New Yorkers. What MUZLIM did what for New YORK I want to know other than to stay quiet like a mouse after the 9/11 incident who never speak out against there brethens ways so as to avoid their relatives beheading back in Yemen .

  • Gary Wise

    I’m betting this was done to rub Americans faces in the mud as they know our country is overly trusting and try to get along with eveeryone if left alone. However, I expect this building may not last long enough for debate from angry Americans and families of vitums understandably angry and who see this as a way to get back at America. By 2050 Muslums will outnumber all others races so this is a wakeup call and possibly the last wakeup call!

  • American liberal

    Air….Muslim law… Christian law….. Both are full of nonsense …I didn’t even see anything about Sharia Law in this article… You make it up?…Id rather neither Christian or islam put a church anywhere…. But being this is Ametica and were free to practice any religion we want then I believe they have every right you do…or are you saying. Some religions should have more rights than others….this is a good argument for keeping religion out of our goverent in my opinion…and this countrys founders did want religion out of our government… See George Washingtons comments..

    • John

      About as much sense as you liberals which isn’t much.

      • American liberal

        John…. As a liberal I’d never ban any religion… But I bet the Christians that post on this site have more than a few religions you’d like to see banned…. I also believe you Christians would love to have a book burning and burn books you don’t like….. And I also have no doubt you Christians would bring back burning witches at the stake if you had your way…

        • John

          Your reasoning is amazing, your analytical argumentation, well that’s another sad issue.

          It’s no wonder this country is so screwed up!

    • American Conservative

      They wanted to keep government out of religion, but they ALL understood that those in power needed religion. Read John Adams’ comments.

      • Jana

        American Conservative,
        The idea of seperataion of Church and state was NOT to protect the Governemtn and the United States from Religion and the church, but to protect the church and religion from the control of the Government.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      AMERICAN LIBERAL,YOU ARE A GODLESS PERSON,SO WHAT GOOD ARE YOUR POST TO ANYONE ANYWHERE,TELL YOU A LITTLE FACT A PERSON THAT I KNEW MANY YEARS AGO WAS ALSO A NON-BELIEVER IN ANY GOD,THE DAY CAME THAT HE WAS SEVERLY INJURED IN A VERY BAD CAR ACCIDENT,I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL WITH MY FAMILY,GRANDMOTHER AND GRANDFATHER,TO SEE IF WE COULD BE KIND AS NEIGBORS ( FOR HE LIVED THE RANCHES DOWN FROM US) WELL WE WERE IN HIS ROOM,AND HE ASKED US TO STAY,FOR I THINK HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE,AND ASKED MY GRANDFATHER TO CALL A PREIST,THAT SHOCKED US ALL,HE HAD NO FAMILY THAT WAS KNOWN OF,WE WERE THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SHADE THAT WAS BETWEEN US AND HIM AND AS PLAIN AS DAY THIS DYING MAN SPOKE OUT AS CLEAR AS DAY,PLEASE GOD FORGIVE ME.IT UPSET US ALL FOR THIS MAN WE KNEW FOR THE LONGEST TIME, ALL HIS LIFE AS FAR AS WE KNEW HIM ,WHEN IT CAME TO BELIEVING IN GOD HAD HATED HIM AND TALKED AS YOU DO NOW,THE POINT IS, DONT YOU THINK THAT INSIDE OF PEOPLE ,THATS EVERYONE,WHITE,BLACK,RED WHATEVER RACE,THEIRS A PART GREATER THAN THEMSELFS( A PERSONS EGO) MUST BE,FOR I WITNESSED IT ON APRIL OF 1959,YOUR TIME WILL COME AS MINE WILL AND WE WILL BOTH SEE WHO BLINKS FIRST YOU OR GOD,I KNOW THE ANSWER FOR I SEEN IT LONG AGO,AND WITH THAT,GET YOUR WASTED LIFE IN ORDER IF NOT ,OH WELL,LIVE IN YOUR ETERNAL LIFE OF HATE OF EVERY GOOD THING THAT WAS EVER GIVEN TO YOU.MAYBE THE LIBERTY YOU NOW ENJOY.PERSONALLY YOUR POST MAKE ME THINK OF ALL THE WASTED PEOPLE IN THIS NATION,THAT THINK THAT THEY ARE ABOVE ANY LAWS ANYWHERE,ANYTIME AND PEOPLE LIKE ME SHOULD JUST LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND LET YOUR TYPE,LIBERAL LEFT WING NEO-COMS,(COMMUNIST) HANG YOURSELFS BY YOUR OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS,SO LIVE WITH IT AMERICAN LIBERAL YOU ARE A LOSS TO HUMANITY AT BEST.

      • Jana

        vaksal,
        I have heard that same situation repeated many times over. That is a beautiful story. Praise God this man came to his senses.

        But I do also know there are some that will not ever listen. I have seen this happen too. What a sad wasted life and a pathetic person is he that refuses to see the truth.

  • Ed Bertolas

    It was reported that of the 30 members of zoning board to vote on this issue, 29 were for, one was against.

    I want to commend the one person against building these terrorist cell base in new york city and would love to know the names of the other 29 members so we can email them some sensible prose on what MUZLIM faction are about especially in the underground environment of a large city like NYC .

  • American liberal

    You good Christians would burn down the moslim church?… Really….?.. Lol..amazing..

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      AMERICAN LIBERAL, LIKE YOU WOULD CHEER THE FIRE AND SMOKE,THAT WAY ,THE SMOKE WOULD COVER YOU WHILE YOU STEAL EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD ABOUT AMERICA,AND THE FIRE WOULD COVER THE EVIDANCE OF YOUR CRIMES,(9/11 ) RING A BELL,OR MAYBE THE ABORTED BLOWNING UP OF THE MEXICAN CONGRESS BY THE MOSSAD,THE STORY WAS PRINTED IN THE NEWSPAPER( LA VOX) BUT NOT ONE WORD EVER WAS PRINTED BY ANY NEWSPAPER IN THIS COUNTRY,WHO OWNS THE NEWSPAPERS 96% OWNED BY SIX PEOPLE.AND THEY ARENT IRISHMEN.WOW IT SEEMS YOU PLAY ONE SIDE AGAINST THE OTHER REALLY WELL,BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ,EVERY RACE IS WAKING UP SO QUIT TRYING TO GET EVERYONE FROM FIGHTING AGAINST EACH OTHER, FOLKS UNITED WE STAND AND DIVIDED WE FALL, AND YOU ARE A HACK,YOUR STRIPES ARE SHOWING( SKUNK,OH NO,SMELL THE STINK EVERYONE.

    • northern guy

      No! we’ll let them practice their religion as long as they respect ours. The truth will always set you free. Unless you don’t want it to.
      Then that’s your decision.

  • American liberal

    Ed… And if you knew the names of those that voted for the Mosque you’d do what?….

  • American liberal

    Ohhh.. You’d email them?.. Lol… Funny..

  • Ralph

    Oh United States, you had this coming! You kill your babies through abortion, which is completely insane… and you don’t hear much outcry about that… But equally insane is that you build a mosque over the very ground where people lay dead from muslim (islamic) terrorist attacks. How much more foolish can you get? It’s official, the United States is completely lost. Once a nation built upon principles, morals, ethics, freedom and strength, and yes – Christian foundations – now reduced to a mass collection of ignorant, apathetic, anti-Christian, self-centered pagans. No, I’m not saying this goes for every U.S. citizen, but for most of them now-days it does. Mark my words, this is the beginning of this kind of stupidity, just the beginning. In the very name of tolerance you’ll now tolerate anything right? Event this! Fools!

  • American liberal

    Ralph… You sound like that Baptist from Kansas…pastor Phelps ….a rightwing Christian nutcase ..

    • Ralph

      American liberal, coming from you that doesn’t mean much to me. I’m aware of how what I’m saying can come across to certain people. It’s such a shame that you can’t at least be mature enough to see the value behind what I’m getting at. Stop wasting your time fighting against me.

    • Ralph

      More examples of right-winged Christians:

      “I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”
      - Thomas Jefferson

      “Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. … Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.”
      - John Hancock

      “While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.”
      - George Washington

      “Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God … What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be.”
      - John Adams

      “Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

      That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

      As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;… ”
      - Benjamin Franklin

      So do you think these men would be up for mosques? Or abotion? Or big government?

      • Doc Sarvis

        And do you think they would be up for torture, Wall Street destroying our country, sending our young men and women into a senseless war?

        • JC

          Good Point.
          No to religion in government. No to interventionist corporate wars.
          Yes to a sound return to Constitutional values.

  • American liberal

    Ralph…it’s your message I’m fighting aginst… I didn’t single you out personally … If you’ll look I’ve posted to most the rightwing radicals on this site…and your post does sound a lot like Pastor Phelps…. I didn’t even feel good calling him a pastor…I like to think most pastors at least mean well.. I think Phelps message is just hate…

    • Jana

      American Liberal,
      And you certainly seem to demonstrate that word “HATE” so well.

  • Ono Nadagin

    Am Lib the cleric that will be the leader of mosque is an outspoken proponent of allowing sharia law to be allowed and override US constitutional law for Muslims in the US. That is where the comments about Muslim law come into play in this discussion, And Christians are not demanding that they be allowed to have a rule of law for just them, they readily submit to US constitutional law… which is not Christian law.

    Also to the discussion of not all Muslims are terrorists.. this is true, however most Muslims follow Sharia law

    in most of the world Muslims liviving under Sharia law are subjected to brutality why would we want to allow it here… As much as you dislike Christianity and Islam one preaches peace and tolerance and the other preaches death to non believers

    Please watch this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB6vwib93ww&feature=player_embedded

    • Ralph

      I’m sorry, but you can’t claim to be muslim and disobey or not follow it’s teachings. To try to live in peace with us (Christians and other U.S. citizens) is to NOT truly be muslim. So therefore the irony is that those wanting to build this mosque, claiming to be muslim, are NOT in fact real muslims – as understood by their own doctrines.

      What am I getting at? Stop saying there are muslims who are not terrorists against us! There is no such thing. They’re not a muslim if they don’t believe in attacking and killing us for not believing with them. Period.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      TO ONO NADAGIN,YOU STATED THAT THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WAS NOT BASED ON CHRISTIAN LAWS,WELL JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT,IT WAS BASED ON ENGLISH LAWS DERIVED FROM THE ( ENGLISH ” MAGNA CHARTA” AND THOSE LAWS WERE BASED ON PART OF THE LAWS BROUGHT TO ENGLAND ,WHEN THE NORMANS INVADED AND CONQURED ENGLAND,THE ANSWER IS IT CAME FROM CHRISTIAN NATIONS AND NOT FROM ANYWHERE ELSE ,WHY? CAN YOU NAME ONE MOSLEM THAT SIGNED THAT DOCUMENT,SO JUST LOOK UP WHAT THE FACTS ARE PLEASE,THIS NATION WAS STARTED BY THOSE THAT WANTED NOT TO BE RULED BY TYRANT FAR AWAY IN ENGLAND,BY THE WAY THE FRENCH WERENT MOSLEMS EITHER.AND IF IT WERE NOT FOR CHRISTIANS THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO AMERICA,AND THE CHRISTIANS WERE HERE FIRST AS A UNITED PEOPLE.

    • Jana

      Ono Nadagin,
      You are so right.
      A lot of the laws of this land were taken from the Word of
      God, The Old Testament. Even the punishments for these laws were taken from the Old Testament. A lot of them were taken from the Book of Deuteronomy. No, they aren’t “Christian” laws, but they are common sense laws taken from God’s Word that was incorporated into our laws.

      To be a Christian means to be Christ Like, and some of us really do try, and fall far short. Some don’t try at all, and some refuse to acknowledge that they even should try. But, that is our right to try or not to try, we all sail our own ship, some with the wind and some against it.

  • JeffH

    American Liberal …an Alinsky disciple…

    Rule #5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage”

    Doesn’t work very well anymore does it!

  • American liberal

    You people Need to understand the radical terrorist feel about their holy lands the sameway youve decided to act at the thought of putting a mosque on a special spot to you…..you rightwing radicals are spewing the exact same line that radical Muslims do….do I think all Christians are as radical as the ones on this site?.. NO…. Do I think all Muslims are as radical as the ones that flew the jets into the twin towers?.. NO… But theirs little diffrence in your logic and the logic of the terrorist that attacked us on 9/11… You can’t see that?…they complain you’ve invaded they’re space…. You’re complaining they’re invading your space…it’s the same circle of religious hate…

    • Ralph

      I’m not claiming they’ve invaded our space. And NO, we’re not saying the same things. They have a book that instructs them to terrorize and kill. Christian’s have a book that teaches to love, serve others, and give to the needy (etc. etc.). VERY different, in fact opposite. So therefore it’s reasonable to say that not wanting these people around us is a good idea. You love clumping all religions together, maybe we should clump you together too with all other liberals and not bothering listening to you because you’ll just sound like them. Right? But that’s not what I’ve been doing to you.

    • airangel

      Am Lib…regardless of Christianity or Islam, putting a Mosque 500 ft where almost 3,000 Americans died at the hand of Muslims lacks any decency whatsoever and is disgusting to want it resurrected on Sept 11th…are you American at all? Do you even have compassion for the American lives lost?

    • JeffH

      American liberal, you seem so cofused. Make up your mind would you!
      Today it’s the Christians, tomorrow you’ll be back to blaming Bush or Cheney…the next day it will be Palin or the Tea Party and the whose next…Mickey Mouse or John Wayne? Egads…spinnin like a top!

  • Ono Nadagin

    Please enlighten me what ‘exact same line’ are these radical Christians spewing?

    I have seen a few nut jobs here and else where say stupid things in the name of Christianity but where does Chrisianity teach these thoughts?… I have not seen it.. However Islam does preach death to non believers

  • American liberal

    Jeff… Are you capable of a thought of your own?…all you do is steal someone elses propaganda..right now you’re on the community organizer kick… How bout some origionality or thought….I understand you’re limited in the art of conversation but try anyway….

    • JeffH

      You don’t care for the info I provide, not steal…doing a dis-service to your un-founded and further un-substantiated rants? The fact is that you just don’t like being “outed” for your comments, which DO follow in line with your chosen “organization” or should I say Alinsky “Marxist” rules.

      If you walk like “it” and talk like “it”, you must be “it”.

      …and to think you have the nerve to talk about “originality” or “thought” or even “propaganda” in the same breath.

      The FACT is, American Liberal, I won’t be a part of, or participate in, your un-original propaganda and liberalized banter…to you I say, class is over!

      Those, American Liberal, are my very own thoughts!

    • JeffH

      You still have a long way to go according to your teacher…who warns…

      “Radicals must be resilient, adaptable to shifting political circumstances, and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped by their own tactics and forced to travel a road not of their choosing.”

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        Keep it goin’ and turn up the heat a bit!!!! HeHeHe!!

  • American liberal

    Ono…. Your bible is full of threats of death… I’ve already mentioned pastor Phelps….. The very basic Christian nonsense is that if you don’t ” believe then your thrown into some fairytale burning lake…. It’s all about control… Now read the post of some of these Christians and tell me you don’t see the same pattern of religious hate…. Osama Bin Laden said the infidels had over run Muslim holy lands as his excuse for 9/11… Now the rightwing radicals here are threatening the mosque or community center planned for New York … So read these post above… Then ask that question again…if you study some history you’ll see Arab land occupied by western armys far more than any Arabs invading Christian or western nations..and western nations have killed million and millions of Arabs … I’m saying killing in the names of any religion is equally as horrific and wrong…

    • JeffH

      …and don’t forget…

      Rule# 4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      TO AMERICAN LIBERAL,I LOVE IT WHEN YOU PAINT THE BIBLE AS CHRISTIAN,YOU MUST HAVE BEEN TAUGHT IN SOME BACK ROOM ALLEY,CANT YOU POST THE THRUTH ,THE BIBLE IS THE HISTORY OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE,ONE OF MANY BOOKS THAT THEY MADE,AND AS FAR AS THE NOBLE BOOK,WE OF THE WEST CHRISTIANS ADOPTED THIS SET OF LAWS FROM THE JEWS AS THE LAWS OF THE RULED ALL OF EUROPE IN THE WEST,AND AMERICAN LIBERAL ,WHY DONT YOU PAINT THE JEWS AS EVIL TOO,THEY WROTE IT,IT IS BECAUSE OF THOSE TEACHINGS THAT YOU CAN ENJOY THE VERY NATION WE HAVE HERE IN THE U.S.A. AND THE JEWS ARE NOT AT FAULT,FOR ALL MEN AND WOMEN THAT COME WITH OPEN MINDS ADOPT THE BEST OF LAWS,THAT CAN MAKE THEIR LIVES BETTER NOT WORSE,IT SEEMS YOU ARE JUST A COMMUNIST LEFT WING AGGITATOR,SELLING THE LINE OF HATE TO ALL SIDES CHRISTIANS AGAINST MOSLEMS OR ANYONE ESLE,TO CAUSE HATE AND CHAOS,SO EVERYONE ON THIS SITE LOOK OUT FOR THIS TROUBLE MAKER,AMERICAN LIBERAL IS A SHILL.

  • American liberal

    Look at the arrogance of Bushs last invasion of Iraq… We set Saddam up cheered and supported him while he was killing Iranians , even supplied him with chemical weapons and logistic support to gas the Kurds… And we looked the otherway…. Then when the Bushs and cheneys of the the world decided they wanted iraqs oil the invasion and rush to war was on…we were brought up watching westerners in Arab and African countrys making the people there carry our loads and taking orders from wraterners… Remember?… We’ve always treated these people as lesser humanbeings… Especially Christians… We’ve tried to replace their religions with western religions… Then putting the Jewish people right in Arab holy lands… And Ametican troops allover Muslim lands.. That why the hate between the two religions… These rightwing radical are no diffrent than the. Muslim radicals… A radical is a radical , not matter what religion they claim

    • JeffH

      “A radical is a radical , not matter what religion they claim”…and you should know this better than anyone…as your radical beliefs are based on the “original” radical…Lucifer.

      Alinsky’s Opening page – Dedication in your rule book says:
      “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history… the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

      • airangel

        JeffH..were you a pitbull in another life? *lol…I’m a bit newer on Livingstons email posts but I am seeing a common thread with certain people who contantly cry “race” or “Bush” but I can always count on you to refute them!! :) I read and even posted parts of Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” on some other topics and you definitely see that arrogance and style in this White House Administration

        • JeffH

          airangel, thanks and I like to see the Alinsky references whenever appropriate…I’ve been posting them for 6-7 months now.
          I’m determined to unveil the masks these liberals wear in here. It’s one thing to make a case, but another to just constantly spew bile without ever providing the facts or for that matter any type of reference other than their own.
          I’m not the smartest guy on the block but I wasn’t born yesterday either, and learned the hard way, to choose my words carefully. Most of the libs don’t care for my style but if it “outs” the…oh well…if they make the bed then they gotta sleep in it.

    • John

      & the left wing radicals???

      They’re just doing a great job of running this country or should I say ruining?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        John,
        Yes, by all means, say RUINING!!!!!

  • Ralph

    This is the last thing I’ll say, from my previous post:

    You can’t claim to be muslim and disobey or not follow it’s teachings. To try to live in peace with us (Christians and other U.S. citizens) is to NOT truly be muslim. So therefore the irony is that those wanting to build this mosque, claiming to be muslim, are NOT in fact real muslims – as understood by their own doctrines.

    What am I getting at? Stop saying there are muslims who are not terrorists against us! There is no such thing. They’re not a muslim if they don’t believe in attacking and killing us for not believing with them. Period.

  • chuck b

    amer lib

    you have more or less condemned the christians and muslims, how do you feel about judaism, do you caterogize them as nonsense?? just wondering.

  • American

    I say let them build it… and on opening day we can fly some planes into it!

  • chuck b

    amer.

    maybe we can get amer. lib to fly the plane.lol

  • Ono Nadagin

    Vaksal lose the caps and learn to write in paragraphs.

    Also I never said the US constitution wasnt based on Christian principles I said Christians are not demanding a law system for themselves separate from and overriding the US constitutional law system.

    Please settle down, relax and read peoples comments carefully before you go off spewing your opinions in all caps it makes you seem a tad irrational

  • airangel

    This mosque is no coincidence. Some of the largest mosques and Islamic centers in America are funded by the royal government of Saudi Arabia, which gets most of its revenues from oil exports. And America is its biggest customer. They paid 4.85 million in cash for this property, hard cash. They could build elsewhere but this makes their statement of “conquer” and “take over” of America.

    Saudi was home to 15 of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers, as well as their leader, Osama bin Laden. Now federal authorities are investigating whether Saudi laundered money to Islamic terrorist groups through U.S.-based Muslim charities. Some 80 groups have recently received subpoenas for financial records.

    Of the more than 1,200 mosques in America, more than 80 percent have been built within the last 20 years – thanks in large part to Saudi money, according to Reza F. Safa, author of “Inside Islam.”

    “Saudi Arabia alone has spent $87 billion since 1973 to spread Islam throughout the United States and the Western hemisphere,”

    Mohammed originally took over the Nation of Islam after the death of his father, Elijah Muhammad. Elijah, “hated” the U.S. and celebrated when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, Pipes said. He was arrested and served three years in jail for draft evasion. You’ll also recall all the celebrating and cheering when 9/11 happened by the muslims in the Middle East..This was not Jews, Hindus or Christians but Muslims!

    This NYC 9/11 Mosque is to be called “Cordoba House” – Cordoba the city in Europe that was conquered and ruled by Islamic forces for centuries, where there once was a Caliphate of Cordoba which ruled the Iberian peninsula and North Africa.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    TO: ONO, HELLO I USE THE CAPS STYLE OF WRITING,JUST BAD HABIT NO OFFENSE INTENDED ,IBMS FAULT YEARS AGO PRINTOUTS,(IE TOILET PAPER) 1960s,AS FOR BEING RELAXED ALWAYS,BUT MAYBE I DIDNT READ YOUR POST CORRECT,DIDNT YOU POST”THEY READILY SUBMIT TO U.S.CONSTITUTIONAL LAW,WHICH IS NOT CHRISTIAN LAW,MAYBE I READ IT WRONG,SO FILL ME IN ON WHAT YOU REALLY MENT,I AM CHRISTIAN,BUT DONT DISLIKE ANYONE,BUT I DONT CARE FOR ALL THE MADNESS OF THE TROUBLED TIMES THAT ARE GOING ON THESE DAYS,BESIDES I AM JUST AN OLD GUY THAT LIVED IN PEACE ALL MY LIFE,WITHOUT ALL THE HATE AND FINGER POINTING AS IT IS IN THE WORLD TODAY,ITS SAD WHEN TROUBLE MAKERS IN THE WORLD USE RELIGON,AS A SHIELD FOR DOING EVIL,AND THAT MEANS ANYONE,RELIGON TO ME IS NOT TO BE THROWN AROUND LIGHTLY,BECAUSE EVERY PERSON THAT LOVES BELIEVING IN GOD ARE OK WITH ME,BUT AS I POSTED THE (CHRISTIANS MADE THIS NATION,IF I LIVED IN ANY COUNTRY I WOULD HAVE TO RESPECT THAT NATIONS BELEIF,AND NOT TRY TO IMPOSE WHAT CAME FROM SOME FOREIGN COUNTRY,IN ISLAM,IT WOULD BE A CRIME TO PREACH THE CHRISTIAN FAITH,SO LOOK AT AMERICA WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRAY TO THE GOD WE BELIEVE IN,AND THAT OK,AS LONG AS IT DOESNT DESTROY THE NATION THAT HOST THEM,FOR WE MUST LIVE IN PEACE OR SEE ALL THAT IS NOBLE IN THIS NATION BE DESTROYED,THEN WHAT? WE WILL ALL LOSE,I MUST BE THRUTHFUL,WHEN AMERICAN LIBERAL POSTS,THE THRUTH IS SOME WHAT NOT THERE,BUT PLEASE ONO IF YOU KNOW ANY MOSLEM RADICALS,JUST KNOW THIS I AM A CHRISTIAN,AND DONT HURT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,FOR EVERYONE IS BEING USED AS PAWNS SO THE REAL BAD GUYS RUNNING THE CIRCUS WORLDWIDE CAN KEEP US KILLING EACH OTHER,AS I SAID NICE TALKING TOO YOU ON THE INTERNET,AND YES I AM TO OLD TO NOT USE CAPS,BUT I AM NOT IRRATIONAL,PLEASE POST WISH TO HEAR MORE OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.HAVE A GOOD DAY.

  • airangel

    Despite Saudi Arabia’s growing anti-American extremism, attempts to reduce U.S. dependence on Saudi oil have fallen flat.

    America imports more than half its oil supply, and Saudi is its biggest overseas supplier, shipping more than 1.5 million barrels here a day, according to the American Petroleum Institute.

    Not only does the Saudi monarchy pump tens of millions of dollars of its oil money into Islamic mosques and schools in America – some of which have produced terrorists – but foundations tied to the royal family allegedly launder the money to foreign terrorist groups through U.S.-based Muslim charities.

    “The Saudi government secretly funded al-Qaida, Hamas and Islamic Jihad,” said John J. Loftus, a St. Petersburg, Fla., lawyer for whistleblowers in the U.S. intelligence community

    Maybe we as consumers buy gas at Sunaco, Conoco, Shamrock Diamond, Sinclair and Phillips 66 when we fuel up. These companies buy the least from Saudi and Sunaco buys none from Saudi but they are mainly East Coast…drilling in Alaska would help ween our dependency on foreign oil too.

  • http://www.christopherlondonblog.com Christopher London

    ISLAM IS COUNTER TO THE INTERESTS OF WESTERN DEMOCRACY & CAPITALISM. The American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative are quasi political religious organizations who are using the vacancy rate in Lower Manhattan and the proximity of this building to Ground Zero to make a political statement about the advance of Islam in Western Society. And as an American, I am completely offended. America does not need the Islamization of our society to advance itself. The PR Spin being used to sell this initiative in Lower Manhattan is that Cordoba House with be an Interfaith Center. Yet ironically, no Christians, Jews or other religious organizations or leaders are behind this project, simply those tied to an IMAM with questionable beliefs about American Society and the role of his religion in that society.

  • Claire

    This is off the subject but—-KUDOS to James Carville!!! He reamed Obama a new one today on TV!!!! At least Carville has the guts to stand up for what he believes and I agree with him on this.

    • JeffH

      Claire…good catch, and he’s not the only one stirring the pot amongst the Dems.

      • Jim H.

        JeffH and Claire, The one thing Carville said that I thought was strange was that if Obama was down in La. taking charge, his approval ratings would have jumped 7% points. Forever the politician. I thought it was about leadership and doing what is best, not ratings.

        • Claire

          JIm H—Yes, they ALL are forever the politician. But, Carville spoke volumes when he said what he did. And I give him credit for this. People won’t pay attention to the ratings crap. They will pay attention to what Carville said. It is a little late for rratings now anyway.

          • Claire

            rrrratings…. lol

    • libertytrain

      Yes Claire – I watched it on Youtube and thought it was great, though he still managed to get a good dig in on the “previous administration.”
      By the way, missed seeing your posts these last few days. Hope all is well.

      • Claire

        libertytrain–One of my old champions has retinal atrophy and she is now blind. Gretchen became totally blind a little over a week ago. It is hell to get old. All of her other tests were normal, she is healthy. So I will not put her to sleep. We will work through this. The first few days she had a rough time. She would not eat nor drink water. I squirted water down her throat with a turkey baster. Anyway she started eating treats, and is now drinking water and eating her food on her own. Her sense of balance is still awkward but hopefully we will overcome this. At least I cannot move any furniture around now and my husband is happy about that. I have to leave everything as it is. She is beginning to maneuver around a bit more, bumps into things but she is wagging her tail. It kind of threw her for a loop. I have to take her out on a leash to get her down the steps of the deck to the back yard. I don’t let her out with any of the other dogs anymore and she cries about that. It takes a lot of my time but I will take care of her and do what I have to do. She is sleeping right now.
        I am so totally off the subject at hand. Sorry. Thanks for your post.
        Robin’s eye is okay, it appears she won’t lose it now. Thank the good Lord. The vets even thought she would lose it but so far so good.

        • Claire

          libertytrain–I have to laugh. Today Penny and Coco Puff got a garter snake and one of them bit the snake’s head off! Hope they didn’t eat the head, I sure couldn’t find it anywhere! YUK.
          Thank the good Lord I don’t have to worry about poisonous snakes.

          • libertytrain

            I haven’t seen any rattlers yet this year not even the black snakes yet. Today a tortoise wandering about and four deer have appeared to have decided to include our driveway area in on their rounds. Dogs “love” it – Sorry about your girl but so glad about Robin. A little over three weeks left and the toddlers’ dad -after gets back from Afghanistan and gets organized, will pick up the kids and dogs and I will sleep for at least one full day.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–Only 3 weeks to go!! I still am so happy you are the one taking care of these little ones. It means so much to them and to their parents. I bet you will sleep for an entire day! Now you will have more time for yourself and your husband!
            I know whenever I left my kids, it was always with the grandparents. Never had a babysitter. The family unit is so wonderful. My daughter and husband take off every weekend and I do not get to see them much. But they live in another town. My granddaughters don’t have the “time” anymore. They are busy with their own lives. We see our son more since he lives here in town. Thank God for Tim. My husband and I would sorely miss him if he were to ever move away. Gosh, our kids are such a blessing. I cannot imagine life without them.
            Rattlers??!! Egads, my friend in Florida has to deal with pygmy rattlers. If I had poisonous snakes to worry about, I would always go in my backyard with a gun! Forget the hoe! I am not as fast with a hoe anymore!
            I am on vacation now, plenty to do around here. Two dogs to train and get them more obedient in the show ring. I am going to paint the kitchen-red or coral, can’t make up my mind but it is going to be “wild.”
            I must quit rambling!! Sorry.

          • libertytrain

            While there are some that don’t like it when we digress from the subject at hand – I say, just skip over those comments – there are plenty others to read – we’re utilizing our personal liberty to “visit.” I like red. Have a wonderful weekend. I have an art show this weekend.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Libertytrain,
            am saying prayers each nite for your family to come back safe and sound!!! Also donated to the poppies for the vets today for all the ones I know of in service. The guys eyes opened a little wider and said thank you but I said on the contrary, thank YOU!!!

          • libertytrain

            Joe H – thank you very much for your kind thoughts and words. It’s not easy – I think I read over the weekend that there are about 185,000 dual-military couples. That means an awful lot of grandparents like us, aunts, uncles, cousins – taking in kids, dogs and assorted other pets to care for while these dual-military couples are deployed. It’s hard having your kids in war zones – it’s hard trying to care for little ones that want their mommies and daddies – but life goes on.

  • baloneyradar

    England now has provisions under Sharia Law. Ask Theo Van Gogh (wait, he was murdered by stabbing by an islamofascist for speaking out against the oppression of women by islam). Many other European countries are suffering for policies of allowing mass immigration but not assimilation by islamos. Islam is a cult of death. Did America, under El Reno and Klinton allow the Branch Davidians (another looney cult) to even live? uh..no. Remember ‘hope and change’? 2 big examples of no hope and horrid change: illegal legislation rammed through by Alinsky radicals sitting in the US House. Obama HAS admitted he is islamo. “When the political winds CHANGE (try a 14 trillion dollar deficit..more than all other American presidents since Washington COMBINED then redistributed to allies of satan (hillary, obama, etc are Alinsky Marxists and Alinsky said, “my God is Lucifer) I will stand with Islam”. Grazing his Air Force 1 over NYC, scaring everyone who thought another 9/11 attack was happening and not disagreeing with building a THIRTEEN story mosque at ground zero. Luciferian. Chapter THIRTEEN Revelations: “The Beast/man is known by a number 666″ This is the ultimate Good vs Evil situation. Vlad Dracul was the basis for the story Dracula..which portrayed Dracula as a blood sucker. Vlad Dracul dealt harshly with the islamos who were murdering, pillaging, stealing land…he was a hero. Finally, the US Constitution states no law shall be made regarding the practice of religion. this means we have freedom OF religion, not freedom From it. Anyone who calls US Constitution-loving Christian patriots radicals (as obama did) is a pure evil Alinsky satan worshipper who cares only about the amount of money he can put in his own pocket (witness his and Soros’ plan to drill and take profit from Brazilian Oil while not permitting drilling here in the USA where we have more oil than any other nation on earth. Just like islamo terrorism at Ft Hood was most likely orchestrated by this so-called administration with a fraud as ‘president’, i think it is no accident what happened to the BP Oil rig. Too coincidental at a time when obama wishes to block anyone from drilling here while he and his ‘king’ (house of Saudi) will profit. America buys only 5% of its oil from the middle east, and the Saudi wells are bone dry. They give the same figure for how much oil they have in Saudi as they did 50 years ago. Jobs, money for Americans who can’t drill in the USA is going to be controlled by Saudi and obama from the white house and the oil will come from their deal with Brazil. The rich then have power, and it doesn’t matter what laws we have in America, it matters who is enforcing (or not, Holder) them. this bunch in Congress needs to be voted out in November, and we need to forcibly remove the fraud from the white house using our treason laws. and send Soros back to France to face charges for illegally screwing up their stock market and monetary systems with his bragged about ‘crises’ that soros said “I never cause a crisis I don’t profit from”/ Lord God, help us that these evil satanic devils do not cause a crisis before November that keeps us from having our election. God bless all of you, exept the obvious dyed in the wool democommie moles in here.

  • baloneyradar

    Ohama wanted maximum enviromental damage done by the BP oil rig, because in order to ingratiate himself (impossible) with Americans, he said he’d grant permits to drill. How convenient this rig blows, and as the oil is messing up the gulf for 3 weeks, obama is sitting on his thumb (he’s good at that) while the gov’t is preventing BP workers from plugging the hole with dirt and cement, which would have been completed by now with far less oil dumped into the gulf of mexico if obama’s administration hadn’t been preventing BP workers from starting the plug because he had them waiting for ‘work permits’.
    This is an abomination, just like Ft Hood and the eunich-bomber. Obviously all three things cooked up by this crooked administration and the cronies (soros, hitlery, etc) behind it. This bunch will stop at nothing to make life hell on earth for Americans before they just stuff us in ovens or shoot us in the head. Don’t think Obama isn’t busy with his building his gestapo (‘I will have a private, well funded army more powerful than the US Military at my disposal)–how about the stupidity of calling Arizona’s Law to enforce the Federal Immigration Law “racist”, then turning around and using more tax payer money to hire tons of border patrol agents who will not be preventing illegal invasion, but expediting drug traffic for the profilt of obama, soros, et al…afterall, they now own a great airport courtesy of stupid Americans who fell for the trillion dollar charity fund raiser for loser Haiti..midway airport for drug running. Ok. disclaimer..this is my theory, my opinion. Another theory and opinon: i am as right abot this as I have been about everythng else obama does. when he said he’d run a transparent govt, he meant , “if y’all bother to look, u can see right through me and my plans to get rich being the go between for the House of Sod and Soros, and hitlery, and all other New World Order despots. There are only 2 types of politicians: 1)US Constitution loving Patriots who believe in our Representative Republic and FREE ENTERPRISE) and then there are hitlery, feinslime, boxerblabby, piglousy, holder, obama, soros, King Sod etc who are the New World Order Gloalists..the vision ‘president herbert walker bush’ has for the world: he and his cronies have all the money and luxury, and the rest of us can just go pound sand. God these people are atrocious. I MISS REAGAN. People used to wonder why Reagan was so anti-communist: THIS IS WHY– REAGAN SAID, ‘WE ARE BUT ONE GENERATION FROM COMMUNISM”. Make that one election in 2010 and you all better bring all your friends and vote Republican..forget about third party candidates because third party candidates favor democommies. And remember that in 1994 after clinton had 2 years to put the New World Order into swing, the American People pulled out the stops and gave a landslide victory to the Republicans in the house and senate for the first time in 32 years. It is time to put the lid on these worms. VOTE REPUBLICAN IN NOVEMBER AND TOGETHER WE CAN TAKE OUR NATION BACK FROM THE BRINK OF EXTINCTION. DO IT. Yes, we stand by our principles, and as Reagan said, “I’d rather have 80% real Reoublicans in the house and senate with 20% Rinos, than 80% democommies in the house and senate with 20% rinos and a few good guy republican senators and congressment sprinkled in. WE NEED TO RETURN TO SANITY, TO WHAT WORKS, AND TRY AND INCARCERATE –NOT IN AMERICA…EVERY TREASONEER. back to kenya with you, obama.

  • baloneyradar

    One last thing to remember about ‘moderate’ islamos. There is only one. His name is Darrell Issa (who luckily was not murdered along with maximum capacity mosque-goers where he worships because the FBI did a sting on Irv Rubin, long term radical leftist who was caught asking FBI agents -whom he thought were reliable bombers–to bomb Issa’s mosque. Issa successfully exposed ACORN and go their funds cut off, and as predicted, they got around him by working under other aliases. Issa also exposed that the democommies locked Boehner and the ‘good’ Republican house and senate members out of all meetings on this abomination of a death care panel that was rammed through. After we republicans take back the house and senate in November, give Issa the Congressional Medal of Honor. AND THE UN DOES NOT BELONG IN THE SOVEREIGN NATION OF THE USA…just remember hitlery licking her jowls at passing the so-called ‘small arms treaty’ where she and the other satanists can confiscate any guns Americans have to protect ourselves. They will try this, but will fail. Simply becuase 300 million Americans are onto them and don’t want to die in a gulag of hitlery’s making. Quote from hitlery during her run as president: “WE (democommies) are gonna, you know, take what you (we the people have ) away from you, and you know, give it to someone else.) I bet a lot of the so-called stimulus money went straight to off-shore bank accounts of these sleazy evil alinsky radical elitist new world orderers.

  • baloneyradar

    Harald: you remind me of Harold Lauder in Stephen King’s “the stand’. he was the pig who blew up a bunch of the ‘free zone ‘ panel while working for Satan aka “Randall Flagg”.
    Flagg lost.
    So obama.

  • Robert

    Any American who helps build this Den of Terrorism should have their names, pictures and names of everyone in their family posted on every American media form. This way we will know those who are committing Treason.

  • Robert

    And someone should make public the names of those pro-terrorism sponsors who voted to let these low lifes build their F’ing Mosque near Ground Zero.

  • ola

    I WONDER WHY IS IT MUSLIMS SUPPOSE TO BE “HILLED”? ARE THEY STRUGGLE MUCH, WHEN THEY ORCHESTRATE 9/11? I SAW THEM DANCING ON THE STREETS IN BROOKLIN AFTER TWINS FELL DOWN. WHAT KIND OF HILLING THEY NEED MORE THAN THAT?
    I CANNOT BELEAVE THAT CITY BOARD CAN BE SO STUPID. I THINK IT’S MONEY. THEY GOT A LOT OF MONEY AS A BRIBERY TO DO SUCH AN UNSPEACABLE ACT OF TREASON.
    STAND UP, AMERICAN! DO NOT LET ISLAM AND MARXISTS TO OVERTHROW THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY!
    IF THEY PREVAIL WE ALL BE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS OR IN SHARIA LAW.
    I USE TO LIVE IN USSR, I KNOW.

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