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Opponents Vow To Challenge Montana's Legalization Of Euthanasia

January 15, 2010 by  

Opponents vow to challenge Montana's legalization of euthanasia The Supreme Court in Montana has upheld the legality of physician-assisted suicide, making the state the third in the nation to do so and spurring opponents of the practice to promise to continue fighting against it.

Jeff Laszloffy, president of the Montana Family Foundation, pledged to keep the organization’s "battle for life" going.

"It’s up to us now to go into the next legislative session and put a statute in place that completely and once and for all bans physician-assisted suicide in the state of Montana," he commented after the court’s decision was announced.

However, the verdict was greeted with praise by supporters of euthanasia, such as Jerry Dincin, president of Final Exit Network, a nonprofit organization that provides support for people with incurable conditions who want to end their lives.

According to Dincin, the ruling brings America closer to "the final human right of the 21st century." However, he noted that the law does not take care of "the needs of mentally competent, suffering patients who have not been declared ‘terminal’ (having fewer than six months to live),"and he vowed to continue fighting for their right to die, as well.

The Supreme Court’s decision stemmed from an appeal triggered by the death of a 76-year-old Montana man who passed away in 2008 after a 12-year battle with cancer.

The state joins Oregon and Washington in allowing physician-assisted suicide.

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  • john Hasse

    Why do we think it is smart to give the government control over our choices? I do not approve of suicide, but it is my position that each person should be allowed to make the choice they deem best based on their beliefs and their individual situation.

    • denniso

      so called conservatives want gov’t to force dying people to suffer more and longer…another example of hypocrisy from the right wing and an intrusion into the personal life of ‘free’ people. Watch a loved one suffer for yrs as they move toward death and then tell me you don’t ‘approve’ of suicide or the private choice to end your own life. The most fundamental choice of a person should have nothing to do w/ the gov’t other than ensuring that one isn’t murdered.

    • DaveL

      Hey John, I don’t see it as giving government control over our choices I think it’s quite the opposite. A person can make the choice to end their life (with the assistance of a physician) and the government can’t charge a “Dr. Kavorkian” with murder. It allows a person the freedom to make a choice.

      • DaveH

        That’s okay, as long as it truly is the choice of the recipient and not somebody else’s choice.

        • Viktor Leben

          Let’s get realistic.

          I’m against Abortion and Euthanasia, but I’m just a peon who writes crazy comments and no one listen to…Ha Ha ..

          THE BABY BOOMERS back in the early 70′s (you know, the ones who said they were going to change the world…) allowed Abortion on demand. I didn’t see any antiwar SDS types protesting abortion.

          So it’s kind of like POETIC JUSTICE. WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. Now all those ABORTION LOVING LIBERALS are going to get EUTHANIZED…..

          There is a God !!!

          HASTA LA VISTA , HIPPIE !

          • Meteorlady

            You are crazy. I do not believe in abortion but I support the right of every American to choose the path in life. That is what’s called freedom. You cannot have it both ways, i.e. impart your morals onto a free person who does not believe the same as you do. If a person is suffering and going to die why would you want them to have to suffer for days, month and yes even a year in a nursing home locked in a body that hurts and they can’t take care of. People like Jeff Laszloffy who appoint themselves as God have not right to infringe on another American’s rights.

  • http://google Janice Bowman

    Government should never be involved in approval of suicide. We already have instruments such as A LIVING WILL, which gives each of us our rights to our choice of end of life issues. I don’t agree with suicide, but as a nurse I can understand at times why it happens. I feel when the government gets involved what will stop them from deciding when our lives are not worth saving because of the cost. AFTER ALL HAS IT NOT BEEN PROVEN YET, THAT GOVERNMENT ELITIST IN WASHINGTON ARE MORE IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE THAN WE ARE. WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IN PUSHING THESE POLICIES DOWN OUR THROATS WITHOUT EVEN INFORMING US OF THEIR BACKROOM DEALS PROVE (OUR GOVERNMENT CAN NO LONGER BE TRUSTED IN ANY ASPECTS of governing our lives.) We are in big trouble when even the news media print and TV are bought off, and no longer use unbiased journalist story reporting.

    • Thom T

      No one could have said this better.

    • Warrior

      From the standpoint of paying out on life insurance policies it makes a huge difference.

    • Dennis

      Here is a nice little diddy for those healthcare fans, I have recently found out from someone I know very well that is receiving government healthcare now and they
      DO NOT PAY for her THYROID MEDICINE
      AND
      they DO NOT PAY for her DIABETIC SHOTS!
      So that might enlighten those of you who believe your going to get prime healthcare, you’ll be lucky to get so much as a band-aid!
      STOP FOOLING YOURSELF!!!

  • http://nowebsite Minnie

    The Government should not have anything to do with assisted sucide.
    It is MURDER – like killing babies and now they want to kill elderly.

    • obiwan

      Minnie,
      What is wrong with people like you who have no comprehension of what you read. That law allows you the choice, based on what you believe, to make the decision whether to end your own life or not. Those opposed want to take the right to that choice away, making it a crime.
      Thats where state govt would step in.
      If you don’t believe in euthanasia, don’t do it.
      You don’t have the right to impose your personal views on others.
      Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is bedridden with intense chronic pain and see how you’ld feel about living.

      • eyeswideopen

        Hands clapping!!!!

    • denniso

      The issues are different,but, a fetus in a woman’s body is her body and fetus,no way around that biological fact…my body belongs to me,not the state or some hypocritical ‘family foundation’..if i want to destroy it i have that right…now, talk about basic ‘rights’ that should not be infringed upon…you do not have any right to my body or self.

      • AnhydrousBob

        Careful Denniso,
        That sounds very Libertarian to me. :)

      • American Citizen

        That developing baby inside a woman’s womb is a human being, not the same as having an appendectomy or tonsillectomy. Those are parts of the woman’s body, the developing baby is not. That’s a big difference. If she doesn’t want to become pregnant, she should take precautions.

      • American Citizen

        The most fundamental right we have is the right to life. Otherwise, all those other rights mean nothing.

    • THE OLD MAN

      The Government should not have anything to do with assisted sucide.
      It is MURDER – like killing babies and now they want to kill elderly.

      Minnie, you have some funny ideas. How do you figure assisted suicide is murder? It’s an entirely different thing. Although I have a question for you. When we are at war and fighting the enemy. DO WE KILL THE ENEMY OR MURDER THE ENEMY?

  • THE OLD MAN

    The Government of The United Staes has their snoot stuck into too many phases of the people lives along with wanting to control and dictate what we are allowed to do. It was once said “America, The Land of The Free”. How can it be, when the Presiedent has stated that “We are a nation of laws”?
    I have no religious convictions. I believe a person that is terminally should have the right to die at their request. I know people rest homes that don’t know who they are, whether they are dead or alive, have to be attended to for every phase of their actions amongst many other things. People that are in that shape and keeping them alive is an absolute violation of humanity. It is not cruel to kill (I will use the term euthanasia). It is definately cruel to keep them alive and endure pain and suffering. If ther is any such thing as a God I don’t understand why he lets them suffer? It is said that the Jews are Gods chosen people. Should that be the case; Then why did he let Hitler annihilate six million? I don’t want to hear that they must have done something wrong either. If one has or believes religious convictions keep it to yourself and don’t be trying to force it on to someone else. If the terminally ill want to die, let them die and keep the politicians and religious views out if it. It’s nobodys business how one may end their life.

    • Disgusted

      You are right. Look at how many times you hear on the news of a “stand off” with the police because a person who has threatened to kill themselves in one way or another. Why do we try to stop them? If an adult person makes the decision to kill themselves….then I say let them. This issue is no different. If a person goes to their family physician and seeks help with ending their life, for whatever reason, then that is between them and their physician. There are many different scenarios that would come in to play with this; age, circumstances, medical condition; mental condition..so forth…with many different outcomes; therapy, medication help…so forth. It would still be a decision between that person and whomever they choose to discuss/disclose their information with; the government has no place of involvement. Each person on this earth is ultimately responsible for themselves and should have the right to make these very personal decisions.

      • eyeswideopen

        Very well stated.

    • coal miner

      Old man,

      I saw a little boy was dying from rabies.It was the most horrible thing I could imagine.It happen in the late 1940s.He wanted water, but when they reach a glass to him.He would knock it out of their hands.Right before he died,his tongue turn black and horribly swollen.I think he would have been better off if he had been Euthanized

    • American Citizen

      Some people cling to life despite all that is wrong with them. How we treat others defines us a human beings. Otherwise, we’re no better than the lower animal kingdom.

  • Norm

    If adult human beings want to end their lives why should the government be involved. This is a decision that should be made by the individual, the family, and the attending physician(s). In fact, this is what normally happens. The use of large quantities of morphine “for pain” can peacefully end a persons life. Of course care must be taken to insure that money and/or some other sinister motive is not involved.

  • James

    I fail to see where the ‘government’ was involved here. If one ends his own life, viewing that as murder is moot, both the murderer and the victim are dead. The question here is whether assisted-suicide is murder. If one in a terminal state of health, but still sound enough to ask for assistance to die, that would remove blame from the one who assisted. But if a doctor in a hospital turns off a life-support system of a patient he believes could never live without it, that’s another matter. All states have laws which criminalize murder, I think all would agree that is a good thing. The question here is whether one who assists another to die, has violated that state law. That isn’t government control over our lives.

  • Lalitashaki

    The government has no right to tell us what we can do with our bodies, they belong to us and we should be able to decide what is best for US not the so called GOVERNMENT, they should keep their noses out of our business quit playing big brother, WE don’t need it.

    • denniso

      It’s ‘conservative’ groups like this Montana Family Foundation that want to get gov’t to take away another of the most personal choices people have to make,to live or die. Keep gov’t out of our personal lives,unless a personal decision harms another person. Besides,despite laws against suicide,there are thousands of them every year by desperate people in terrible circumstances done in ways that traumatize survivors.

      • DaveH

        Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t you advocate the HealthCare Bill which is a huge intrusion into peoples’ choices over their own body?

        • denniso

          You’re lying,again…any healthcare bill is not going to be an intrusion into your right to control your own health choices,if anything there will be less control w/ the insurance co’s regulated a bit more. What there will be is 30 million more people w/ the ‘right’ to see a doctor and go to the hospital and not lose their house in the deal. The thrust of the bill is to get more people insured and to stop the ins co’s from excluding ill people from coverage. Now, that sounds terrible!!
          The only onerous part is the mandates for people to buy ins…i don’t like that and hope it will be fought in court.

          • DaveH

            I’m lying? You’re a joke Dumniso. The HealthCare Bill is all about the Government making our choices for us.
            You can’t have it both ways Dumniso, you either respect peoples’ right to control their own body and property or you don’t. There is no middle ground that won’t lead to the chaos of arbitrary political choices.
            As Government Grows, Corruption Flows. And it’s flowing pretty heavily right now.

          • AnhydrousBob

            Unfortunately, the Health Bill is NOT going to cover those you were hoping would be covered.

            And, the Health Bill is going to TAKE MY MONEY to give to others. Now, how can you make a distinction between having control over your own body and not having control over your property? Your body IS your property.

            So you are saying that I have the right to my body, but not anything else I use my time and body to acquire by legal means?

            I subscribe to the philosophy of “We own ourselves and our property”

          • Dennis

            Government Healthcare is socialism,
            Come on, Haiti is a perfect example of GOVERNMENT GREED and CORRUPTION!
            They wanted to keep the people in poverty, so they would need them always,
            BUT
            WHERE is the government when the country needs them???
            Over here in our GREAT NATION OF CAPITALISM!
            If it weren’t for the prosperity of capitalism, this country would be just like Haiti.
            See a perfect example of where socialism will take us.
            You would think… THIS would WAKE UP the blind people thinking that socialism is good.
            Your not an ostrich, get your head out of the sand once and for all!
            If America did not have capitalism, HOW WOULD WE HELP EVERYONE ELSE?
            What is the first thing that happens?
            America, please help, open your hearts…. and so on….
            Well GOVERNMENT if YOU MAKE THIS COUNTRY A SOCIALIST COUNTRY
            NOBODY WILL HAVE MONEY TO HELP,
            SO EITHER YOU (GOVERNMENT) ENJOY SEEING PEOPLE SUFFERING OR YOUR JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!
            HOW CAN GOVERNMENT BE SOOOOOOO GREEDY AND POWER HUNGRY THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY PREFER FOR AMERICA?
            YOU ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!!!

            REMOVE YOURSELF FROM OUR WHITE HOUSE AND TAKE YOURSELF OFF OF THE PAYROLL!!!

          • Meteorlady

            You obviously have not read extensively what this bill will do. the insurance lobby has contributed millions to get this bill passed as have the drug companies. Who do you think they expect it to benefit – themselves. There is not choice when government regulates. The health care bill will take away our rights to better and crucial health care. Where do you think the savings from Medicare will come? From people that worked and were taxed since Johnson signed Medicare into law. Now because of soaring costs and the government cannot stop fraud they are going to cut back on those benefits to pay for another health care plan that will ultimately fail. There are way to stop the increase in health care costs: stop illegals from gaining access to our health care through emergency rooms and free government funded clinics; stop drug companies from advertising (they spend 57 billion a year on ads), stop the practice of selling insurance within states and allowing them to cross state lines; and last, crack down on fraud and waste within the medicaid program. The government cannot run anything – social security is bankrupt because they used it for other than what it was intended to do; medicare is bankrupt because they cannot manage it properly, VA is hurting because there is rampant fraud and waste in that system; and medicaid has so much cost over-run that we cannot afford to fund it much longer.

          • Meteorlady

            You want people to have the “right”. Well then they maybe should have taken advantage of education and been responsible. I’ll give you a story her. A friend’s wife died recently with a lot of complications. They were in their early 60′s and didn’t qualify for Medicare yet. Thinking they were healthy the “chose” not to take out insurance but spent their money instead on a Motorhome and travel. She got brain aneurism and was in surgery three times and in intensive care for two weeks before she died. He is now stuck with the bill and will declare bankruptcy. That means he will keep his house and all is stuff while the hospital has to absorb the cost and pass it one to the paying patients in order to make ends meet. Of the 47 million that the government say are uninsured: 25 million are like the above story they choose not to have insurance, some 15% are illegals who drive the cost of health care up; and the rest are eligible for medicaid but are either too stupid or just plain lazy and do not apply. Government health care is about controlling the population, not about helping us out. Our own GAO says it will increase insurance premiums, will not control the rising costs of drugs, and will still not allow insurance companies to cross state lines.

          • American Citizen

            Have you read the bill?

          • Meteorlady

            Actually you can go to the Library of Congress and see the House and Senate versions. I did read the House version and then read three articles on what the difference was between House and Senate. It is horrible to read because there are so many references to other pages and paragraphs. It takes a lot of time. Fact is that Obama on 8 separate occasions stated the debates about Health Care would be covered on CSPAN – and we all know that promise didn’t happen. They want to keep as much from the public as they can and the media is not doing much to help us out so you have to dig in and find the answers on this one yourself.

      • Tinwarble

        Dems-Ho,

        Your argument is about as obtuse as I have heard. Euthanasia is not about personal choice, it is about what someone has the right to do on your behalf.

    • Joe H.

      Lalitashaki,
      I have no problem with what you want to do to YOUR body. I DO however have a problem with what you want to do to and unborn child!! If it is not a good time for you to have a baby at this time then DON’T GET PREGNANT!!!!

      • Curtis S

        Oh that’s great advice! “Don’t get pregnant.” Are you serious? Were you a big believer in going into the ‘hood and telling everyone to “Just say no to to drugs”? Responsible people who take all the possible precautions still “get pregnant”, do you have any brilliant sayings for them? I mean, do you have anything intelligent or helpful or just more empty platitudes?

        • Joe H.

          I’m up to 50.00 on that ticket now!!!

      • denniso

        Joe, are you a man?? thought so. And you want to tell women what to do w/ their bodies… Until a baby is born,like it or not,it doesn’t belong to you or the state..you and others would enslave women if you could to ensure they deliver a healthy baby…sorry,you can’t do that. And,what happens to the baby after it’s born. Are you willing to ensure proper food and shelter and education and safety for it until it’s grown?? No, didn’t think so…

        • Tinwarble

          Dems-Ho,

          There you go again just being ignorant, chasing your tail. First, and unborn child is not the property of a woman no more than it is the property of anyone else. Unless you are saying that you are in favor of slavery, because taking someones life would be the same argument that a slave owner would take, that they were their property.
          Second, you talk about personal choice, well, what about the personal choice of that child. No one has the right to take away the personal choice of that child to live. Or is it just that you think that you have the right to say who can have personal choice and who can not. Maybe you think that you are God and you can say when life begins or say when a person is a person.

          • American Citizen

            Abortion is nothing more than saying who should live and who should died.

        • American Citizen

          If your mother found out she was pregnant with you and didn’t want to be pregnant, had an abortion, who would not be posting here?

        • Joe H.

          denniso,
          yes I am a man, obviously more of a man than you as you will pick on the least of humans..the unborn!!! If you had a pair you would stand up against someone able to defend themselves. We all know from your posts here that your knees knock when you walk cause of the lack of anything to keep them apart!!!

          • denniso

            What a truly idiotic comment from you…the mother should control her body,partly because there is no other option that doesn’t lead to a police state mentality.

  • Kathy

    Minnie, you are an IDIOT! The government wants to prevent the sick and elderly from ending their misery and exiting this world with what little dignity they have left, regardless of doctor assistance or not. On the other hand, they’re trying to force a healthcare bill down our throats that will insist on forcing those same doctors to perform abortions.

  • eddie47d

    I agree with Disgusted,but alot of these sights are totally anti-government. Don’t you realize the govt. (courts) have to get involved in it’s legallity. If not the doctors will be charged with murder.Not much differant than the attacks against abortion dr’s . We know who stirs the pot on that issue. Maybe we should just let people stick a hose in the exhaust of their car .No govt. involved there.

    • Joe H.

      eddie47d,
      the only problem with what you say is it’s a slippery slope from legalizing assisted suicide to mandated suicide!!! Just ask Nazi Germany!!!

      • American Citizen

        How about Holland? Many forced suicides via assisted suicide.

  • Xen U

    Death with dignity .. what is wrong with that? I will say when I’ve had enough as it is indeed my final right. Opponents .. go meddle in your own affairs … stay out of mine!

    • coal miner

      XenU

      Right on!

    • Meteorlady

      You are right on!

    • eyeswideopen

      Hands clapping.!!!!

  • Xen U

    Furthermore .. assisted suicide is done precisely because the person still has his/her wits about them. Why should one have to wait til one is in vegetative state or when there is no hope of recovery? Maybe there is economic considerations. Maybe living wills are not good enough. They want finality now and therefore should not be denied. Religious arguments have no bearing for those having a different faith or that have no faith (like myself). To do so is imposing your faith on me which smacks of tyranny. Kudo’s to Montana, Oregon, and Washington!

    • Warrior

      Will life insurance companies have to pay on policies for assisted suicides also because they usually don’t have to pay on a suicide.

      • AnhydrousBob

        The free market will work something out. Does your policy say no payment for suicide, or is that just an issue for the first 2 years of the policy? Perhaps, the policy would pay half for assisted suicide?
        Again, that would easily be worked out in an unencumbered free market.

    • Viktor Leben

      Xen U,

      No one is “forcing” their “faith” on you … You seem to think that people of “faith” want you around — that somehow “you are the man in demand”. Quite on the contrary, please exit this society with “dignity”…

      Actually you’re scaring the hell out of Parents who don’t want to see their kids “euthanized them” or having children think it’s “OK” to commit suicide….

      Realistically it would be beneficial to let the Religious Right have their own seperate society without “suicidal freethinkers” gumming up the works, so to speak…..

      Now that’s where REAL FREEDOM would be .. A Christian Nation …
      where junior isn’t going to pull the plug on his old man…..

      • eyeswideopen

        Viktor, your type of thinking is exactly what our Founding Fathers tried to protect us from, by not allowing an appointed religion for this country. Maybe you should read the Constitution and finally grasp that a Christian Nation is not what they intended that we have.

        • Joe H.

          eyes,
          they obviously didn’t want assisted suicide as they removed us from a totalitarian system that could put ANYONE to death, welcomed or not!!! That is what you and yours wish for this great country and yes there are a great many here and elsewhere that will fight you tooth and nail to stop you!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Joe H, as usual, you want to dictate what people can do with their own bodies. I believe in our Constitution which protects my right to make decisions about my life and how I want to live it. The Conservatives think they have the right to decide personal choices. No wonder people are afraid of you. When will you all be choosing which religion everyone has to belong too? Does the word totalitarian have a familiar ring to it? At least the Libertarians believe in freedom of choice, the very thing this Nation has supported and was founded upon. What you fail to realize is that in a few years, the younger generation who will not be predominately white, will not allow anyone to dictate what freedoms they will have.

          • Viktor Leben

            eyeswideopen,

            When the Declaration of Independence was written it said “endowed by their Creator”. That is a American Calvinist “code word” for Jesus. As in the Bible John 1:3 “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

            The reference to “God” and “Creator” are just another word for Jesus Christ. When the tern “nature” is used it is in reference to quantification — ie the incarnation. The “Creator” is a philosophical existant because He walked on our planet approximately 2 milenia ago ….

            The argument goes back to the argument that “rights” can only be bestowed by a divinely appointed King (such as King George).

            Our forefathers went one step further and said we are “endowed” by the “Creator” (ie King of Kings – Jesus) ……. That negates the Filmar’s divine right concept …..

            You are no longer a commoner, at the mercy of a earthly Sovereign….

            You are a freeman because of Jesus …..

            Read Locke’s Treatise one on government …

  • Warrior

    Now we’re talkin, When you think outside the BOX, you can come up with plans like eliminating Montana of its inhabitants. Then we can give Montana to Israel and they can all move out of the middle east into Montana. THis way the muslims won’t hate us and all the problems are solved.

    • Warrior

      Actually, I originally thought New Mexico might have been more inviting climate wise.

    • Viktor Leben

      Warrior,

      Wait until they take total control over the Middle East… It will be interesting watching as US military technology is surpassed by other nations ….

      Now there is a market solution ! Al Queda will soon have the means ($$ money wise $$) to buy better arms to kill us all off….like suitcasenukes, small stealthy subs to blow up shipping and better radar/SAM technology to shoot down the Raptor …

      Hey, THE MARKET RULES !!!! THAT MEANS according to the Libertarians that they are suppose to win !!!

      • Joe H.

        Victor,
        You don’t know how truthful you are! Everyone thinks nuke subs are the “silent ones”. BULL! The real silent killers are the old diesel ones. All nukes have a very distinct signature in sound. You can even tell the different subs by their sound, hell the navy can practically tell you the name of the sub by its sound. The old diesel subs could truely sun silent or very close!

      • American Citizen

        That would give us a reason to turn that area into glass.

  • Donna

    The problem I see with government interference is being forced to live. How many times have people been placed on life support and the family trying to remove that support,have been denied that “right” because there was no living will. When did any of us acquire the power to play God. Death is inevitable to all and some are on short time while others are living to great age. I don’t believe any of us should interfere with God’s time clock. And, yes, I have the personal experience to refer to.

  • Marilyn

    As an RN for over 30 years I have been with and seen a number of people die! I have never seen a person die in agony from great pain! There are medications that can be used to relieve pain and many times people who are treated correctly end their lives with their families around them, able to converse with them, and though it is very sad for families to lose a loved one they at least have better memories than thinking about euthanasia! I worked in an ICU for a number of years, held DON and ADON positions and ended with the last 9 years in a nursing home! What has happened to this country that every so often when someone is gravely ill or maybe just gets pregnant, if there is a problem, the answer is to just kill the unwanted problem off! We are all human beings even when seriously ill and so is the baby of a frightened mother!

    • Joe H.

      Marylyn,
      Thanks and God bless!

    • Viktor Leben

      Ditto Marilyn !

      A normal society would share your view …..

      Our society isn’t committed to “Life”.

      Death to them is preferential. This is probably caused by some genetic mutation. A mutation from our North American environment. I hypothesised that the Russian “wood pecker signal” (HAM radio enthusiast use a “filter” to screen it out) probably caused genetic damage to our populace. You seem to be immune to this mutagen, hopefully micro-evolution will take care of the mutants (by euthanasia and abortion) and people like you will have many immune children …..

      • Tinwarble

        Please turn off the TV!!!!!

    • James

      Marilyn, I wholeheartedly agree. Part of our problem here is the U.S. Constitution’s 14th Amendment. It reads, in pertinent part: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States…are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
      In the U.S., no one has rights until they are ‘born’ and no fetus has been legally born until it takes its first breath on its own. That’s why all the legal fuss over partial-birth abortions. If a baby’s head clears the birth canal and takes a breath, it is then a citizen with rights, and killing her/him would be murder, while killing the fetus before that would not be murder.
      If the 14th Amendment read: “All citizens conceived in the United States”, etc., then any abortion would be murder. That may seem silly, but as long as that amendment reads like it does, the Supreme Court is bound to hold abortions legal.

      • AnhydrousBob

        As a point of order, our RIGHTS do NOT come from the Constitution. The Constitution is a document of Union, intended to “bind down” the government from usurpation of powers.

        Our RIGHTS come from God, or if you prefer, from Nature. It doesn’t matter what the Constitution says about when a person becomes a citizen. It does matter at what time a fetus becomes a human.

        • James

          AnhydrousBob, I agree that rights are inalienable and not dependent on any document for their existence. I was making the legal point that only citizens of the United States have such rights, and that they are not citizens until they are born here. Thus a fetus has no rights. However ridiculous that sounds, the U.S. supreme Court is bound by that 14th Amendment. We ae a nation of laws, not men, if we want the unborn to have the right to live, that amendment must be changed.

        • American Citizen

          If our rights come from God, as you say and I believe that also, then the right of that developing human being in the womb is the right to live. Unless it’s an ectopic pregnancy which would kill both the mother and the child, there are not many valid reasons for a deliberate abortion. Most are for the convenience of the woman using it as birth control. And if she can’t care for the baby after it’s born, she can give it up for adoption rather than killing it. We all get out start in life the same way.

          • James

            American Citizen, rights do not come from God, our rights were won for us by the Founding Fathers in the Revolutionary War. However, even if all Americans agree that abortion is murder, that will not reverse Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court does not base its decisions on what the majority of Americans want, their decisions are bound by what the Constitution says, and as long as the 14th Amendment reads as it does, Roe v. Wade will stand.
            All these meetings now going on, by citizens and congressmen decrying abortion, will accomplish nothing. Congressmen know full well that Roe v. Wade was based upon the 9th and 14th Amendments. The High Court found another right under the 9th Amendment, and justified it by the ‘Liberty’ clause under the 14th Amendment. The only way Roe v. Wade can be reversed is to reword the 14th Amendment as I stated above.

    • Meteorlady

      You make it sound all so good. My father died of cancer and the drugs didn’t help after awhile. He was in horrible pain for over a month and could not eat, didn’t want to see us in his condition, and was begging to die. My mother-in-law had soars all over her body, could not remember anything, could not control her bowels and had to live that way for over a year. She begged every time we came to see her to die. These are very bad memories of loved ones that didn’t deserve to live like they were forced to. The ultimate freedom is over one’s own body and nothing should take that away. These two souls had the right to die with dignity at their own request. Children are not going to put their parents down – that I believe, is not part of the laws in Washington, Oregon and Montana.

      • Joe H.

        Meteorlady,
        not yet they won’t. but what about the greedy child that is in line to inherit dads whole estate and get a little impatient??? Or what if dad or mom has an argument with said child and tells them come monday morn they are going to disinherit? Think about it, it does happen now, only now it’s murder!!!

        • Meteorlady

          You need to read the laws as the exist in Oregon and Washington. No where in either states is it allowed for children to make the decision.

          • denniso

            Meteorlady..sorry for your father. My mother spent 10 yrs in a slow,painful, downward decline to death. If given a reasonable choice she may have decided to end her life on her own terms and w/ much less pain.

  • DaveL

    I think there is a severe problem with many people’s reading comprehension skills. The government in Montana is NOT interfering with anything, it’s actually giving people MORE CHOICE. Isn’t “more choice” exactly what we, as conservatives or libertarians, want? If a person wants to end his or her life, they can actually get a physician to legally assist them, without the physician being charged with murder or manslaughter or whatever. It’s nobody else’s concern if someone wants to terminate his or her life and the State of Montana has joined Oregon and Washington in granting its citizens the right to CHOOSE. If only more states would grant the rights to choose instead of removing choice, we’d all be better off.

    • AnhydrousBob

      Agree DaveL,

      We all have the right to end our lives, whether anyone says we do or not. This law is to protect a physician who helps a person end his life.

      Given life, we have to answer for what we do with it, and no one else has any right to meddle in our decisions.

    • Meteorlady

      It’s very sad that the States now have to pass “laws” to give us back our rights. You are right on!

  • http://ordy@fedtel./net Eric g

    I believe that most doctors and nurses know when its time to let people die . yes they can be kept alive a little longer and often are for awhile , but antibotics can be withheld and the person allowed to die . As the infections keep retuning . Nurses and doctors usaually visit with the family and the patients about this in a round about way . As relitives are heading for the bedside of the dieing . My friends knew and wanted to die . Its been handled very much to my satisfaction in my family so far . I really don’t need any democrats or republicans to poke their ideas into our departures .

    • Curtis S

      READ. They’re not poking ideas into your departure they’re saying you can choose whatever departure you like. It’s a government that’s allowing you freedom of choice. You, like so many others should READ the story instead of glancing at it and then jumping to conclusions based on a closed mind and narrow point of view. The multitude of responses to this story that totally MISSED THE POINT is no longer funny, it’s downright scary.

      • DaveH

        Curtis,
        Does it always have to come to personal attacks with you?

        • eyeswideopen

          DaveH, didn’t you just call Denniso, dumniso, in a post above? Why is it ok for you to insult others and then have the nerve to call out someone else? It wasn’t a typo, as you did it twice in the same post. Your hypocrisy is running wild. That glass house is going to be hard to repair.

          • Joe H.

            OOOHHH and YOU DON’T????? What a hypocrite!!!!!

      • Meteorlady

        Curtis S – I don’t see where you personally attacked anyone here. The laws are well written with many safeguards built it. It boils down to how has the power over my body, me or the government. I vote for me.

        • DaveH

          OMG, You don’t see this statement as a personal attack?:

          “You, like so many others should READ the story instead of glancing at it and then jumping to conclusions based on a closed mind and narrow point of view.”

          • MyTwoCents

            Geez DaveH, lighten up. I, like Meteorlady, hardly think that Curtis personally attacked anyone. I think he said what many others said and probably what many more were thinking. If you could step back from your obvious bias against the guy, you’d probably agree with him.

          • eyeswideopen

            MYTWOCENTS, once DaveH, has you in his sites, it is hard to escape. LOL.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Once Eyeshas you in HER sights, She will chew on you like an old dog with a new bone!!!!

    • James

      Eric g, I mostly agree, if the friends and family of a terminally ill patient agree that artificial life support should stop, that seems like the humane thing to do, but read my above legal comment. Assisted suicide without the patient’s consent might be criminal intent.

      • AnhydrousBob

        I believe we call that Murder, and is a whole different subject.

        • James

          AnhydrousBob, you are certainly not alone, but read my comment of this date, to you, above. Unless the 14th Amendment is changed, the Supreme Court’s hands are tied. Roe v. Wade wasn’t a political decision to pacify expectant females, it was based upon the definition of ‘citizen’ in that amendment.

          • American Citizen

            It was an unconstitutional decision as the first right we’re given is the right to life.

          • James

            American Citizen, it is the Supreme Court’s role to decide what is constitutional, and what is not. In Roe v. Wade, the High Court held that life does not begin (at least as to being a citizen with rights) until one is “born or naturalized in the United States” (14th Amendment), and until that ‘born’ is changed to ‘conceived’, the Court’s hands are tied.

      • Meteorlady

        last time I look it was a State right and not covered under the Constitution.

  • arden

    The headline “Opponents Vow To Challenge Montana’s Legalization Of Euthanasia” needs to be corrected so that it is factual. “Euthanasia” was not at issue here. The issue in question was physician-assisted suicide, which is NOT the same thing as euthanasia.

    • Curtis S

      What’s the difference?

      • Meteorlady

        Hugh difference – I make the decision to die, not anyone else.

    • American Citizen

      You’re splitting hairs, it’s still euthanasia.

  • libertytrain

    Good question – quick look at the dictionary:
    definition (euthanasia)
    ▸ noun: the act of killing someone painlessly (especially someone suffering from an incurable illness)

    Perhaps the difference is anyone can perform the act of euthanasia? I don’t really see a difference though so am confused as well.

  • Curtis S

    Yeah, this time I wasn’t being sarcastic or trying to be funny, seriously, what’s the difference between euthanasia (youth in asia?) and doctor assisted suicide?

    • jim

      Hi Curtis, Assisted suicide is when the doctor hooks the person wanting to die up to the device and that person actives the machine that releases the poison into themselves. Euthanasia is when someone else preforms the mercy killing onto the one sufuring.

    • James

      Curtis S, Euthanasia is where a doctor would take a terminally-ill patient off of a life-support system, without the patient’s consent. Assisted-suicide, by implication, is where the doctor has the patient’s consent. Three States now, have allowed that by law which absolves the doctor from any guilt.

  • Curtis S

    Thanks Jim!

  • THE OLD MAN

    Why is it everyone is so against suicide, assisted suicide or euthanizing. You animal lovers don’t think twice about killing a pet. (i’m sorry, I should have said putting you pet to sleep) Why do you put your pet to sleep, it’s because you do not want the poor animal to suffer. RIGHT? I think it’s time to put all of this nonsense to rest and quit worrying about what other people want. I don’t figure I’ll live a couple years more at the most, but if something happens to me where there is no chance of recovery, I don’t care how and am not going to worry how they do me in.

    • coal miner

      OLD MAN,

      I with you on that one.I am in the same boat as you.I don’t have too many years left.You are right.

    • eyeswideopen

      THE OLD MAN, probably the same reason that the right wingers, think it is ok to have capital punishment, but are outraged about abortion. Killing is killing. I have to laugh when they say that if the mother’s health is a stake then it is ok. They seem to be able to justify what they want too. They won’t let their dogs, or horses suffer, but a terminal cancer patient must obey the religious rights ideaologies, and suffer. Confusing bunch aren’t they?

      • Curtis S

        Hey Eyes, I like your term, “confusing bunch”, because hypocrites is so hard to spell.

      • Joe H.

        eyes,
        Yeah just like you thinking it’s against the laws of nature to kill a convicted murderer and it’s fine to murder an unborn sinless child!! “to breath is to sin.” An unborn has yet to take a breath!!! And you call US a confusing bunch!! Look in the mirror if you CAN!!!

        • Curtis S

          So as long as you get to be judgmental about who gets murdered it’s okay. This kind of murder is a sin, that kind isn’t. So, you’re okay with playing God some of the time. You’re confusing me again.

          • American Citizen

            Nothing confusing about it. The Justice System is another whole matter. Even Jesus submitted to it, even though He was innocent. By His action, He showed society has a right to justice.

  • THE OLD MAN

    eyeswideopen=====I don’t feel or look at abortion as killing. As far as I’m concerned that fetus is not a living thing until it is breathing. You take a fertile chicken egg crack it open and fry it is the same as killing if you look at it that way. Why would one have to obey religious rights and ideaologies? Not everyone believes in God or any other enitity and there is no rule saying one has to believe. It sure seems to me that organized religion is the root of all evil. Go back in history and research. One of these days the churches will endorse abortion. They will claim it morally wrong to bring a child into a world of hunger and starvation. Overpopulation will kill this planet off if humans don’t start controlling themselves We had 2 billion population in 1950 and today it’s 6.75 billion. Land and natural resources are running out.

    • American Citizen

      The fetus has a heart beat and brain waves. If that’s not living, what is it? The word “fetus” means “unborn child”.

      • James

        Aamerican Citizen, you are beating your head against a brick wall. Of course a fetus is alive, but it is not a citizen with rights until it is ‘born’ here. See my above comments.

  • THE OLD MAN

    eyeswideopen—–I forgot to mention it is a confusing bunch. Below is a
    frank Sinatra quote and this is the way it should be. “NO WITCH DOCTOR IN THE MIDDLE”.

    [2] “I’m for anything that gets you through the night, be it prayer, tranquilizers, or a bottle of Jack Daniels. But to me religion is a deeply personal thing in which man and God go it alone together, without the witch doctor in the middle.” Playboy candid conversation, 1963.

    • American Citizen

      Your relationship with God is the deeply personal thing. How you live your life according to this relationship is what it’s all about.

  • THE OLD MAN

    COAL MINER: It appears you and I think somewhat along the same lines. That is what happens when you get on the endangered species list. Maybe we should check with the EPA. and see if they’ll save us. Ha, Ha.

  • Norm

    Taking another persons life, without their blessing, is murder.

    In the case of death sentences, these people have lost all their rights by virtue of committing an act punishable by death.

    Abortion is murder. A FERTILIZED egg, which is dividing and growing, is the beginning of human life. Although it may be convenient and neat, and sanctioned by the mother, it is murder.

    Assisted suicide is helping an adult human being carry out his or her wishes. These may be oral, written, or expressed previously to friends and family. This is not an area for government intervention.

  • OLD GOAT

    To be plain honest, I don’t care what other people do or what they believe all of this BS talk is a matter of opinion. I do have to agree with “The Old Man” that the church will eventually claim it to be morally right to have an abortion as the earth becomes over populated.

    • American Citizen

      That will be the day God gives up on us completely and the world comes to an end.

      • THE OLD MAN

        first of all the way I look at it. There is no such thing as a God or the Devil. All of that garbage is biblical folklore and lack of scientific knowledge. No one has ever proved that God exist or doesn’t exist and I’m not going to believe in an entity that I can’t see, feel smell or hear. No one wants to die and believing in God is going to give them eternal life. No one has come back from the dead to tell about it. There are many theories that Christ never really died on that cross. The world will come to an end sooner or later but civilization will cease to exist if population isn’t controlled. It works like this. If it takes five acres of perpetural pasture to raise and keep fives cows, you surely can’t keep 100 cows without starvation. I’m not saying the bible is all false, to me, most of it is an adult fairy tale. Organized religion is dangerous. Go back into history and give it some serious thought.

        I myself quit believing in all that stuff after fighting in WWII. I never saw where anyone that prayed to God did any good. Three wars and I received only a couple of scratches and wouldn’t pray to God while some other soldier would pray his head off and never make it.

        I’m only giving my opinion. I’m not telling you or anyone else what to believe in. You believe what you want and I’ll believe what I want. I am an Atheist and not afraid to admit it and don’t try to convert people over like organized religion does.

        • Norm

          THE OLD MAN
          I compliment you for your honesty and must admit you have some very valid points. I believe the if a person is good and moral, their particular faith (or lack of it) is irrevelant.

          • THE OLD MAN

            Hey Norm

            I sure appreciate and thank you for the compiment.

          • eyeswideopen

            Old Man, the great thing about this country is that you are allowed to have your beliefs and are not forced to buy into some religious doctrine that the ruling party wants you to participate in. Hopefully this country will continue to abide by our Constitution and protect your rights.

          • denniso

            Hi EYES..long time no see,so to speak. Best wishes for the new year…

        • coal miner

          Old Man,

          I am agnostic,there is no evidence Christ ever existed and the crucifixion was a myth.He was borrow from other myths.It mean all creators die a violent death.Check it over the internet(Deceptions and Myths of the Bible:by lloyd M. Graham)I ordered it over the internet and it is fascinating reading.You get alot of imformation over the internet:Christ myth.

          • THE OLD MAN

            I realize your reply. They have said as much on the History Chanel. I have always said no one knows what Christ looks like, yet they know what many of the ancient Romans and Greeks look like from sculptures. after all he was supposedly born 2010 years ago and no sign of any art work of him.

          • Viktor Leben

            Old Man and Coal Miner,

            Their is proof, it’s called the Bible. Here’s a verse for you two from Luke 16:31 ” “He (Abraham) said to him (The Rich Man in Hell), ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “

          • denniso

            Jesus said some good things…preached love and forgiveness and tolerance..most modern Christians are nothing but hypocrites and would string up Jesus if he returned today,because they wouldn’t recognise him and would call him a communist and bleeding heart liberal. He would condemn almost everything the so called Christians of today do. Ironic and sad…

  • American Citizen

    God does not force us to believe in Him. Faith is a gift to be accepted pr rejected. Accept it and you won’t believe the difference it will make in your life. Reject it at your peril. You have a rude awakening coming.

  • Robin from Indiana

    Old Man and Coal Miner… and all other unbelievers…
    There is a day coming when every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You may choose not to believe, God gave you that choice. But you will believe; probably not in this lifetime, but you will believe!
    I can think no greater thought than eternity with my Lord. Everything in this world will dissolve away and be gone. Your soul lives forever. You have the choice while still on earth to decide whether to believe in God, confess your sins and be baptized. Nobody will force you. It’s all up to you!

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