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Opponents Say Proposed Idaho Law Will Violate Individuals’ Rights

March 24, 2010 by  

Opponents say proposed Idaho law will violate individuals' rights A controversy regarding patient’s rights is brewing in Idaho after the State House passed a bill that allows all healthcare professionals—including dieticians and pharmacists—to refuse to provide care that violates their conscience.

In addition to end-of-life care, SB 1353 extends the provisions to abortion and emergency contraception, permitting any licensed healthcare provider to refuse to provide a treatment or medication on conscience grounds.

“The intent of this legislation is not to restrict or limit in any way healthcare services to women or men in Idaho,” said lead sponsor Senator Chuck Winder, a Republican, quoted by The Spokesman Review.

He specified that he considered the bill as “an attempt to correct what we perceived to be an oversight,” as the current state law permits doctors or hospital workers to refuse to participate in treatments, but does not cover all licensed healthcare professionals.

However, critics have alleged it will allow providers to override a family’s or a patient’s decisions expressed in living wills or through advance directives.

“The Idaho House said it’s all right for healthcare professionals to ignore the wishes and instructions of their patients—and that’s a dangerous direction for healthcare in our state,” said Jim Wordelman, state director for AARP in Idaho.

The organization has urged Idahoans to contact the governor’s office and urge him to remove the contentious language or veto the bill.
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  • Dan Burke

    Personally, I am glad that someone is willing to let doctors have their rights back! We often are so concerned with ourselves that we will ignore the rights of others. It is that mindset that has led us to where we are and can lead us down the path to communism, marxism, or any manner of ism. Trading our freedoms for our perceived rights. As we take away the rights of others (even doctors) we often give up our own rights. The opponents say that it will take away the rights of the patient? Really. I guess we cannot go “shopping” in our medical decisions. We have forgotten that idea when it comes to medicine. So much easier to force a doctor to do what we want them to do then to “shop” for the doctor who will. Oh wait, we do “shop” for specialists. Just because one medical professional will deny someone a service the patient wants does not mean that all will. If there is a market for abortions or whatever it is, there will most likely be a medical professional for it too (unlike they all decide that abortions, etc are against their ethical code).

    • Regina

      I am glad I live in Idaho right now. You don’t like it, move to
      California. Oh, don’t forget to take your checkbook.

      • MW

        Enjoy your beautiful state! Don’t let those leftists moving there from the West Coast (to escape the impending fiscal & social disasters in California & Oregon)ruin it. I really enjoyed my vacation in Coer D’Alene back in 2002. Wonderful scenery & people.
        Happy to hear that Idaho is leading the fight against the naked body scanners, gun control, global enviromental regulations & the health care bill.

        • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

          No worries about the (word removed for offensive content) liberal socialists, illegal aliens, welfare cases and gay bay losers making it to Idaho. We’re going to shut them off at the southern Oregon border when the schit hits the fan.
          All Idaho has to worry about are all the liberals from Portland and Eugene, Ore in the north end.

      • Conservative in Leftland

        If I lived in Idaho, I would be proud of this legislation. Unfortunately, I live in California. Being conservative in a left state is not the best place to be. Nontheless! More states should initiate this kind of legislation, and I think there would not be the kind of discontent we are seeing today.

        • FreeFor Now

          They will, Honey, they will!! There are millions of people out there in various States that are NOT HAPPY with what is going on regarding O’Bummer’s sneaky, back room, dirty double-dealing tactics to try and ram this law down our throats! And on a Sunday, no less!!

          I would tell you to pack your bags and move up here, but so many have done that already that there are NO JOBS here for the Idahoans who WANT work! Just keep fighting the good fight, and we will pray that enough of the States make the stand, do that we can turn the tide of current public opinion! This health care bill needs to be stripped down and rebuilt from the bottom up!!

  • A.S.H.

    Dan,
    I personally agree with what you said 100%

    WELL SAID!!!!

  • Raggs

    Dan I agrre with your thoughts… All of this is just going to get much worse from here on out… When obama the dictator gives the illegals amnesty I’m sure they ( illegals ) will flood all manner of clinics…

  • naturalist

    I just don’t understand why so many people just don’t understand that people should be FREE. Obviously, that includes NOT being forced to do something that you don’t want to do, based on whatever grounds. How do these fools not see that this basic freedom applies to medical services, too? And if the individual doesn’t get to decide what he is to do or not do, who does? How is that more appropriate? I understand that people who call themselves “liberals” are almost never really in favor of liberty, but are they almost all so stupid that they don’t understand what freedom means?

    • Pathfinder

      Dear naturalist;
      Yes, that is the problem. These so called liberals will twist the definition of any word or phrase to fit their purpose. That is why they insist on calling socialism “welfare”. The entire concept of liberty escapes them. BTW, thanks for your own, insightful posting.

      • Smilee

        YOU ARE FULL OF IT TOO JUST LIKE NATURALIST

        • Joe H.

          WOW!!! you must have thought for days on that comeback!!!

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Hmmm? Joe;
            Is dopey/smillee, or smillee/dopey, a liberal or a conservative?
            He/she makes conservative posts, and then turns around and makes liberal posts, and then back again. I can’t keep up with the ever changing one. What gives?

    • Smilee

      naturalist

      I just don’t understand why so many people just don’t understand that people should be FREE. Obviously, that includes NOT being forced to do something that you don’t want to do, based on whatever grounds.

      I GUESS YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW, I TAKE YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE THAT IF YOU WANT YOU SHOULD BE FREE TO MURDER OR RAPE IF THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THIS IS WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE TODAY THINK OF YOUR TYPE AS BEING REALLY RADICAL. YOU APPARENTLY BELIEVE IN ANARCHY. OUR FOUNDING FATHERS GAVE US A CONSTITUTION THAT PROVIDED FOR A SOCIETY BASED ON THE RULE OF LAW OF WHICH THE CONSTITUTION BEING THE SUPREME LAW UNDER WHICH UMBRELLA CONGRESS COULD WRITE OTHER LAWS AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT CONFLICT, FREEDOMS THAT THEY GAVE YOU ARE UNDER THE RULE OF LAW AND THE LAW SETS LIMITS ON YOUR FREEDOMS. YOU ARE SAYING YOU CAN CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE LAW AND THAT YOU HAVE COMPLETE FREEDOM TO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT. ARTICLE I, SECTION 8 GIVES CONGRESS THE RIGHT TO PUT INTO LAW THE NEW HEALTH CARE BILL AND COLLECT THE TAXES TO PAY FOR IT AS IT PROVIDES FOR THE GENERAL WELFARE OF OUR NATION. YOU ARE NOT FREE TO VIOLATE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS OR CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS MADE BY CONGRESS. CONSERVATIVES TODAY ARE RADICAL AND BELIEVE THEY CAN ACT ANYWAY THEY WANT IF THEY DO NOT LIKE THE LAWS IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM EVEN IF NOT UNDER THE RULE OF LAW AND THIS VERY OFTEN CHANGES THE MEANING OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND ITS LAWS. YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY DANGEROUS TO THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY AS YOU SAY YOU DO BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW BUT YOUR ACTIONS REVEAL YOU HAVE NO CREDITABILY WHAT SO EVER AND YOUR WORDS SHOULD NOT BE BELIEVED EITHER AS YOU SPEAK WITH FORKED TONGUE AS THE INDIANS USED TO SAY OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

      • zack

        Smilee dont be talking about the Indians. Understood

      • FreeFor Now

        Actually, our government is supposed to be run by “THE PEOPLE”, not by a chosen few people! They are NOT LISTENING TO US! Our Constitution is being shredded before our very eyes and we don’t even see it! The Kangaroo Court we have disguised as a government is trying to take away our 2nd amendment rights, ie: guns, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly…Our wonderful “Founding Fathers” gave us this… http://vodpod.com/watch/2289431-eye-of-the-phoenix-secrets-of-the-dollar-bill !!! This will help you understand just how messed up things really are!

        It is about #@&%$% time that we take our government back and kick out all the overly paid monkeys that are running it NOW! Obama (the HEAD MONKEY!!) should just pack his bags and go home! Or better yet…he should go and live in one of the many “tent cities” that HE CREATED, and try to survive without a job and a home, like so many millions of people are now doing, thanks to our government! Let him go over and fight next to our boys and girls who are giving their ALL everyday to protect what little FREEDOM we have LEFT! Only to return and have NO HOME, NO JOB, AND NO PROPER HEALTH CARE!!!!

        Doctors and nurses are human, too! They are not just puppets to perform for our whimsy! I think that patients will STILL have the say in what they want, and this can be accomplished by “shopping” for those health care workers that are the best fit for that patient. I don’t think that our own personal health care decisions should be in the hands of our *cough, cough* “GOVERNMENT!”

        I am PROUD to live in IDAHO, and I hope that all the other States wake up and look around before they are blind-folded and buffaloed into something they can’t get out of, before it is TOO LATE!

      • Ron Hert

        Ah, the liberal is so quick to tell us what the Constitution does not mention anywhere in it, and that its of for a Congress to pass a law in the backrooms and ouside of Legislative procedure. I bet you feel like Woody Allen-that Obama should become the Dictator of these United States, and like Chris Matthews-Obama should dictate and force these unpopular bills-95 % of the polls having 60% majority refuting Obama’s actions, statements, and also the Facist-Liberal-Democrats.
        You sound like one of those facists-you want to force the majority to do the unconstitutional things that are in contradiction to the Founding Fathers. Also, you and the girl on the San Diego College campus-want to confound the image of the Founding Fathers of our country by comparing our Fathers to the Muslim Terrorists. You’re in some questionable company there-Facist!

    • eyeswideopen

      naturalist, can’t wait until an emergency and you really need a specific doctors help….he walks up notices that you are a conservative (your t-shirt is proclaiming that) says, sorry, I don’t save the lives of any Conservatives, he will have to find someone else to help him or die. Bye, bye naturalist, you were the wrong type of American.
      They take an oath to give care to everyone who needs it, regardless of race, color, political beliefs. How would you like your police to not help you based on the same logic you use with the medical profession? Our soldiers take an oath to protect all of us, not just those whose political views they share, if they don’t want to do that, don’t become a soldier. Medical professionals who do not want to help all shouldn’t become medical professionals. Easy decision.

      • usmadgirl

        Eyes,

        The military takes an oath to “protect & defend the Constitution, against all enemies foreign & domestic”.

        The hippocratic oath: “To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; to look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to rules of the profession, but to these alone, the precepts and the instruction. I will prescribe regiment for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never to harm anyone. To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug, nor give advice which may cause his death. Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion. But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art. I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners (specialists in this art). In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction, and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves. All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or outside of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal. If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.”

        • eyeswideopen

          usmadgirl, as usual you are quoting from an outdated Oath. Things change and even though you don’t like change, a new oath is in place. P.S. the medical community didn’t oppose the changes and they are using it. So maybe you should see clear to allow them to police themselves, instead of the Conservatives trying to impose your beliefs upon them. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=20909

          • Jim H.

            Eyes, You talk about conservatives forcing their views on others,but is forcing the doctor to do a procedure that goes against Their conscience, Isn’t that forcing your will on them? Forcing someone to do something evil is wrong.

          • Meteorlady

            Humor me here…..

            I’m a religious person who believes in life. I’m also a doctor so I do not perform abortions as it violates my views and that of my faith. So am I to be forced to perform something I firmly believe is morally, religiously and personally wrong?

            I’m not particularly religious and I believe that a woman has control over her body. Now comes the person who is pregnant with a girl and wants a boy? Do I have a right to refuse that person because I believe it is morally wrong?

            In each case there are plenty of doctors that would perform the abortion or hand out the pills. Why “force” someone to do something?

            I just can’t understand your view of “freedom”.

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, did you note that it specifies that a dietician and pharmacist can deny to give care? That means if a vegatarian requests no meat, then the dietician who believes differently can refuse to give them the diet they requested. How absurd. It also refuses to honor the wishes of patients regarding a living will. So now you have someone who thinks that their beliefs superscede those of the person facing critical care. Your scenario would not happen as the Doctors performing the abortions believe in not passing judgements or they wouldn’t be doing them. You think someone would try and get a conservative doc to perform an abortion? Doc’s who don’t believe in choice aren’t in the situation to begin with. Do I like that people will make a choice of boy over girl, no, but it is not my call. Nor is it yours. This law will make it ok, that if a woman needs an emergency abortion to save her life, the attending physican in the emergency room can refuse to perform a life saving procedure, as he doesn’t believe in abortions. That person can die while waiting for someone else to arrive. Some of you believe in saving the life of the mother, but some of you don’t. So it becomes a crap shoot, and a life will be at stake. The point is: that people( doctors, etc…)will be in a position to decide that their own personal/political beliefs will be held in a higher position, than the dying person needing their skills.

          • usmadgirl

            eyesstapledshut,

            Well, excuuuuuuze me! It says the same thing, just in modern language! And when, exactly, have I posted “outdated information”? All of you, whatever you are, leftists, Dumb-o-crats, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Marxists or whatever you call yourselves today to “subdue” whatever you really are, rarely post ANY proof of what you’re trying to “spin” because you have no proof!

            Furthermore, I don’t mind change, IF the change is to IMPROVE something, but the “changes” that have been inflicted on our great country over the past year are completely unconstitutional & destroy the very foundation of our liberty.

            I’m not trying to inflict MY views on YOU (or the medical profession)! With you, it’s the other way around. I honestly know that you’re like beating a dead donkey & I could care less what you do. You’re NOT going to be EXCLUDED from the upcoming chaos your “savior” has created in order to accomplish his Marxist agenda; so you’re going to hear all the words every conservative has written to try to warn you about what’s going to happen. We’re not trying to impose anything on anybody. So if you’re about to step off a curb in front of an oncoming bus, I wouldn’t dare impose my belief that the bus was going to flatten your @#$! So you’re on you own!

        • DDC

          usmadgirl, We sure do have some unbelievers on here. You are right on what you quoted. It is just that there are to many narrow minded people who do not know the Bible or the true meaning of democrats following the leader. God Bless

          • usmadgirl

            Hi DDC,

            Thank you! I’m really letting these progressive views get to me! I’m turning into them & that’s not the person I want to be! The passing of the Health Care lie & the WAY it was passed has truly destroyed my faith in mankind! I knew this administration would find a way around Scott Brown being the vote that could prevent its being passed, but I had hope!

            I never knew progressives existed in our country until a year & a half ago, so I’ve been yanked up by the seat of my pants & had a rude awakening! They’re all radical left over hippies! It’s been overwhelming along with my business being really slow. “No workey, no eatey & no place to livey”!

            If everyone refused to participate in the health care hoax, what could they do? They wouldn’t have any funding! Could they put us ALL in jail? I guess that’s why O-dumbo needs his “National Security Force” & INTERPOL – to round us all up & put us in jail or shoot us! How does that work with the Military? Will the National Security Force be able to shoot our REAL military?

            Here’s an article about “Health Care” my e-mail friend sent me today.

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703312504575141642402986422.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

            If I were Verizon & Caterpillar, I would tell them “It’s unconstitutional & I’m not paying it”! Stay Safe & God Bless You Too!

          • DDC

            usmadgirl, I completely understand, it is difficult to believe our Government has turned on us. Do not know whether you remembered or not, but I stated that I was going to Afghanistan in June on another blog. I covet your prayers, and all the other Seals that will be going on this mission also.
            We have been given some strict orders, and our training has been very rigorous for this mission.
            As I stated before, I have a bad feeling about this mission that we are going to fulfill, but I know God is with us, and he will be there to help us to continue to keep this from happening on US soil.
            May God Bless all of you, and GOD BLESS AMERICA.

          • Richard Pawley

            USMADGIRL: Don’t be mad, be wise. Learn about the power of prayer. Jesus told a woman in England about 80 years ago that she and her friend who prayed together each day for about ten years, could change the laws in Parliament without ever leaving their kitchen. That and 360 plus other short ‘teachings’ are included in the classic Christian paperback GOD CALLING, edited by A. J. Russell. I haven’t changed any laws (that I know of) but I prayed more for last November’s election than any in my life time and I have seen things happen in the world that I KNOW were the result of prayer. Congress has squandered so many borrowed dollars that I am convinced that we are going to have some 270% inflation as a result unless they really cut back on the spending and the amount necessary is so much that I don’t think Americans will have the stomach for it so we all will suffer in the not to distant future. It’s just as if you – I’m guessing you are an average American financially – owed $800,000 on 42 credit cards and yet you refuse to stop eating at top quality restaurants and taking trips wherever you want. That is the predicament the USA is in so we are just printing money, some $70,000 MILLION a MONTH, creating it out of thin air, and no country that has done that in the history of the world has ever come out of it unscathed and some did not come out of it at all. I can’t tell you when the dollar will crash or the big inflation will come or when Americans will get so fed up with the waste of their money that they will stop sending it to Uncle Sam, but my sources say all that is coming. Many are preparing for the really hard times that are coming caused by all this squandering of wealth. My state has lost a million plus taxpayers since the last census ten years ago and I believe that what is coming is going to make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park. I said that in my 2006 autobiography, recently updated, and my latest book on the economy. The point is that just as the poor have been taught that they are victims and the world owes them everything, so the unions and the congress and the state legislators have come to believe this too. However, ALL WILL BE AFFECTED by what is coming, rich and poor. My suggestion, learn all you can about staying well, so you don’t ever need a doctor. You certainly don’t ever want to go to a hospital. 90,000 a year get sick visiting friends in hospitals in this country and 187,000 a year die in hospitals due to medical mistakes, members of my own family among them. Learn all you can about non-perishable food and quality food, not the typical genetically engineered of GMO food that is pawned off on most Americans (93% of soybeans and 86% of corn and 93% of cotton and canola and sugar beets, and God knows what else). Remember you can’t eat what most Americans eat and not get the diseases that most Americans get. May God bless you and all who read this.

      • FreeFor Now

        And they all said, “AAAMMMEEEENNNN!!!!”

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    As a widow of a military retiree, who stood with her husband for over 20 years while he served this country (which was the greatest in the world until this Congress and President took over), I have to say I agree. Shirley

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that,It is an idea whose time has come.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators and Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman. Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Will apply to all passed, present and future
    congressman, Senators And Representatives.

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Mr. Graham…
      First and foremost, thank you for your service to our country. I have several relatives that served and I appreciate your dedication.

      Secondly… I think your amendment is a wonderful idea. Please approach your members of Congress to sponsor it. If I know that it is actually going to be sponsored, I will contact the members of my state to cosponsor it.

      We need changes, no one can deny that. We just don’t need changes of a socialist/ marxist kind!

    • V Cox

      You are lying. This email content has been debunked by several fact check organizations. Please check your facts, before you spout off about retirements and benefits that do not exist for congress.

      • Conservative Carl

        Surely you do not believe that those retiring from congress will receive much better retirement benefits than the average person on Social Security income! Surely you do know that these same self-serving members of congress will have superior health care than the average person. Surely you are smarter than that! But that argument has little to do with the current article about healthcare providers being allowed “CHOICE” in their practice.

      • Joe H.

        v cox,
        Are you saying the politicos aren’t exempt from the health care bill? If you are, you are full of some mighty smelly, slimy, brown matter!!!

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        Maybe YOU are the one who should check YOUR facts before posting here!

    • V Cox

      If you care about the truth, go to snopes.com and search congressional retirement benefits. You will find there emails similar to your statements. All proven false. Or you could go to about.com gov.info and find the information on congressional pay and benefits. What you state here is false.

      • eyeswideopen

        V Cox, they don’t care about the truth.

      • Pathfinder

        Thanks, I will do that. I find, like John Adams, that “Facts are stubborn things.” I always want my statements to be in accordance with the facts. And that is why I am a conservative.

        • Smilee

          Pathfinder says:
          March 24, 2010 at 6:25 am

          Thanks, I will do that. I find, like John Adams, that “Facts are stubborn things.” I always want my statements to be in accordance with the facts. And that is why I am a conservative.

          WOW, facts and conservative is the perfect definition of an oxymoron, My experience is that conservatives are also brain washed and you are a good example of that.

          • Meteorlady

            OH gads – another important point or comment made…. Hmmmmmmmm names and insults, names and insults. It get tiresome Smilee.

            Say something brilliant some day huh?

          • zack

            Dang Smellie you know how to copy some one elses comment. How did you learn that? Yo mammy

        • Joe H.

          Pathfinder,
          Then don’t go to snopes1 It was started by a dem husband and wife team. but of course it couldn’t be biased in ANY way!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, he can go to gov.com for goodness sakes, don’t be afraid of the truth, it will set you free.

          • zack

            OOHH MMYY GGOOSSHH, lamo, and hands a clapping feet in the air kicking and blowing gas

    • Siridh

      I’m all for that. I also didn’t realize that they live under one set of laws and we live under another. They are supposed to be servants of the people and have placed themselves above. Unfortunately, we stopped looking and the press stopped reporting.

      • Smilee

        They don’t, this is a bogus bull

    • Smilee

      What laws are different for congressmen or congresswomen that are different than the laws that effect you?? This is a bogus far right bull, why is it right now several congressmen are in jail for crimes committed while in office. Your post is all BS and will never even pass in congress much less in any state. Do something productive!!

      • Joe H.

        Try out this. Stokes was caught red handed driving the wrong way on a highway drunk and got off scott free!!! there’s one!!! Clinton lied under oath to congress and got off scott free!!! If you don’t believe he lied then what about the “I never had sexual relations with that woman”. remember the stain on the dress???

        • eyeswideopen

          Ensign, got caught having affair and now is being investigated for bribery, Vitter is guilty of having sex with prostitute and is still serving,,,what no jail time? Stanford, illegally used state funds for personal expenses, he is paying it back, but no time for theft? Shouldn’t a governor, know the laws of his state reguarding travel and what is legally allowed? Maybe a test would be good prior to taking office. You flunk, you can’t lead your state. Hey, isn’t Tom Delay is got his court case pending? The list goes on and on.

          • usmadgirl

            Eyes,

            Do you REALLY want to open THIS can of worms?

          • eyeswideopen

            usmadgirl, already did sweetie, and you will lose. check link on political scandals for United States, covers both parties and sex scandals for the republicans. Knew you really wanted to know how many of yours are violating that “Family Value” thing they are always promoting. lol

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            I’d like to add my favorite.

            Ted Kennedy drives drunk, drives off a bridge in his drunken stupor, and kills the young woman in his car!
            There is NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON MURDER. He could have been charged with this crime up until the day he died, but he NEVER WAS!
            IF ONE OF US “ORDINARY NON CONGRESSIONAL CITIZENS” had done this WE WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED!
            Figure it out for yourselves. Different people=Different laws

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            p.s.
            Killer Kennedy, could have, and SHOULD HAVE also been charged with
            *leaving the scene of an accident
            *failure to render aid at the scene of an accident
            *failure to report the accident (FOR 12 HOURS he didn’t report it.
            He didn’t report it UNTIL THE NEXT DAY!!

            His families money and position in society got him off from ANY charges being pressed.

            Different people=different rules

          • Meteorlady

            How about the Black congressman that had money in his freezer? Where’s he now?

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, In jail. Where he should be. Would you agree Ensign should be there too for bribery?

          • zack

            eyeswideopen and Rangel screwed the Government for not paying taxes, and got off without a fine. Why dont you try not paying your taxes and see what happens?
            NEED I SAY MORE? What the hell Kennedy killed a woman, and got out of murder charges. Clinton smoked those funny smelly cigars, and stuck one some where to see if it would blow smoke. I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT GIRL THAT WAS UNDER MY DESK. Why Hillary would get mad at me. BOO-HOO-HOO.

        • Smilee

          JOE, Clinton was never under oath to the congress, you know so little about our history recent and early

          • Meteorlady

            “In 1999, for only the second time in United States history, the Senate conducted an impeachment trial of a President. The acquittal of William Jefferson Clinton on February 12 came as no great surprise, given the near party-line vote on impeachment charges in the House of Representatives leading to the trial.
            Despite its predictable outcome, the impeachment trial of President Clinton is well worth studying, both for what it says about the failure of the judiciary and political institutions to respond adequately to an unprecedented situation.”

            That’s the answer to “I did not have sex with that woman”…..

          • Smilee

            Having sex with that woman is not an impeachable offense nor was it the reason they did, and I agree the outcome was never it doubt and totally predictable.

          • usmadgirl

            Smilee,

            Clinton wasn’t impeached for “having sex with that woman”! He was impeached for lying under oath to Congress!

          • Dzack

            Smilee, sorry to inform you but Slick Willy Clinton lied under OATH.

        • Smilee

          I believe he is in jail now.

          • zack

            Smellie he should be along with a lot of others, Rangel, Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, All lied under OATH

  • s c

    At the heart of the ultraliberal progressive sickness is a moral blind spot. They are taught to believe they are ‘superior’ beings, and that they aren’t bound by the same ‘rules’ as the rest of us.
    This explains the predictable, abysmal quality of their ‘leaders’ [Gore, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Waxman, Biden, Leahy, Wilson, FDR, both Clintons, Carter, Colin Powell, Marx, Mao, Stalin, Saul Alinsky and hordes of fence-sitting yuks like Specter].
    A progressive has no use for the Founding Fathers. Certain ideas in the Constitution (the 2nd Amendment is a prime example) irritate them beyond words. They read ideas into the Constitution that were not put there by the Founding Fathers.
    Progressivism is a self-destroying mental disease. Does this not explain how America could get stuck with a world-class loser like Obummer?

    • Raggs

      You for got Anita Dunn, Valeria Jarred, Van jones, Rev wright, Joe Biden, Oprah whimmpy, Oh you mentioned biden well a double on that.

      • Joe H.

        Raggs,
        that typical libber joe biden sure stuck his foot in his mouth last night.”this is a real f-en big deal!!!” what an idiot!!!

        • Smilee

          Was it ever a big fu$$ing deal, good ole Joe

        • eyeswideopen

          Joe, at least he wasn’t promoting —– killing someone.

        • zack

          Joe H. I heard that. What an idiot.

      • usmadgirl

        Raggs,

        Don’t forget the NEW one – Obama’s admitted Marxist “spiritual” & policy adviser, “Reverend” Jim Wallace! He said it himself (for all you progressives), I didn’t!

        Also, Mark Lloyd, Cass Sunstein, Robert Creamer, Bill Ayers, Andy Stearn, Carol Browner, Ron Bloom, the Rathke brothers, Jeff Jones & don’t forget George Soros!!! I know there are more – the list goes on & on!

    • eyeswideopen

      s.c. here are two sites which will keep you busy talling up how many are repubs and how many are dems.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandals_of_the_United_States
      Please note how many occurred during the last republican reign.
      http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals

      You should accuse others unless your house is clean. If have of these weren’t true, it would still be a huge number and that Family Values group/chant makes them all hypocrites.
      You can be arrogrant when you don’t have this kind of crap going on in our own party. Until then, you need to stop with the insults as you are making yourself look like the same kind of hypocrite that these links protray.

      • Meteorlady

        Wikipedia – think I’ll go in and change a few “facts” just for the fun of it.

        • eyeswideopen

          Meteorlady, since there are over 125 repubs guility of sex scandals, you will be there a long, long time. Good Luck, have fun.

          • zack

            eyes, yea and 87% of them where women. LMAO

  • Barbara

    Finally someone with some back bone. There are more than enough individuals who will pull the plug. They don’t have to force a person to do something that violates their conscience.
    First line of the DR.’s oath is ‘first do know harm’. Seems this is forgotten as soon as it is said.

    • s c

      Barbara, if you want a challenge, try to find an MD who ‘cares’ so much that he or she will not take any MONEY for performing abortions. This is a huge money-making enterprise, and MDs who have a conscience do not ‘fit in.’
      The irony is in the fact that it’s “OK” to kill babies, but convicted murderers must be ‘protected’ at all costs, lest they suffer from the same fate as babies. How this does anything for a woman’s ‘reproductive rights’ is beyond me, especially when MONEY is at the root of the matter.
      Somehow, people have let themselves believe that the majority of all pregnancies are due to rape and incest. So much for typical, ultraliberal progressive gobbledegook “logic.”

      • Smilee

        sc

        I see you are still out of touch with reality, I guess some things never change.

      • usmadgirl

        s c,

        We might also add that they don’t want to hurt the “wittle tewwowists” feewings either or hit them in the wittle tummy when they’ve beheaded people, but it’s OK to kill babies. We can give terrorists the same rights as American citizens, but unborn babies have NO rights! What a messed up, upside down, backwards world the progressives have suptly imposed on us!

        Now, Obama (he said this a long time ago) is going to give prisoners & released convicts the right to vote. Guess what percentage of them are Dumb-o-craps!

        Conservatives are going to have to register our pets to vote or we don’t have a snowball’s chance during a “global warming period” to EVER take back Congress or the White House when he grants amnesty to all the 13 to 25 million illegal (Dumb-o-craps) aliens! As in the words of Joe the Brain Biden, “it’s a big bleepin’ deal”!

      • eyeswideopen

        s.c. well since the repubs don’t ever get abortions, why are you all complaining that the dems are lowering their ratios? How many children have been adopted by you republicans? Why do we still have orphanages with all the concern you have for innocent children? Why haven’t your people adopted them all? Since your are the only party that cares about children have you noticed that you aren’t doing a very good job of taking care of them? Dem’s get all the abortions, so the only children that need to be adopted would be the Conservative/republican kids right? Here are some facts for you to digest. From 1971 to 2001 265,677 kids were adopted from other countries. What about our own? http://www.missionfinder.org/orphanages.htm this site shows how many Christians orphanges are in just this site. http://www.adoptioninstitute.org/FactOverview/international.html
        this site shows how many we adopt from foreign countries.
        This country shouldn’t have one open at all. You conservatives just aren’t doing your job, taking care of all those innocent children. Walk the walk, talk the talk.

        • libertytrain

          eyes, I’ve personally known several families that have adopted Chinese girls over the past years and they were ALL Democrats? I wonder if Brad and Angelina are Republicans or Madonna?

          • eyeswideopen

            Liberty, yup and my good friend, went to Russia, and got two kids. She is a repub like most of my friends. I argued, but her response was that most American babies have drug problems, so she didn’t want to take the chance.

          • libertytrain

            eyes – perhaps both sides have the illusion that the babies are better on the far side of the ocean – or like the new designer children syndrome – - no telling – did you mention to her all of the physical problems and particularly heart defects one sees in Russian children and/or babies because of lingering Chernobyl effects? I think it’s referred to as “Chernobyl Heart” —

          • usmadgirl

            libertytrain,

            I have a novel idea! Why don’t the girls or women who HAD the children take responsibility for their actions? Then there wouldn’t be so many children to adopt! It’s not like “sex” is something NEW that people haven’t learned what the “side effects” might be! Babies aren’t something you should be allowed to kill, throw away or give away. I wouldn’t even do that to a PET!

            And you’re right about Hollywood thinking it’s not “cool” to just have a NORMAL, EVERYDAY American kid. Nobody would NOTICE them if they adopted one of those horrible American kids! They hate America, why would they want one of those? “Let’s go adopt a 3rd World kid so everyone will notice how GREAT & empathetic we are to countries who despise us!”

            I’m pretty sure Angelina & Brad are progressive loons, but her dad is one of my favorite Conservatives! He’s put his career in jeopardy to express his conservative, America-loving views!

          • libertytrain

            usmadgirl – you’re right – oh, and I do like Angelina’s dad – though about a million years ago, I met him (briefly) at a party for George McGovern or Eugene McCarthy – can’t remember which guy – he was wearing a neat blue sports jacket – kind of brushed corduroy and it just made his blue eyes pop – I think he was also in town because of “Deliverance” (Oddly, my not-then-husband – didn’t even know him at that point – met him at the theater as he was waiting in line for tickets) —- Many of us changed our party affiliations as we “matured” and realized what made more sense —

        • Meteorlady

          Ya, how about all those liberal Hollywood star adopt some of the American babies? That’s the ticket.

          • libertytrain

            Not quite as “Cool” – like I said to eyes – the designer children syndrome – come see my new Chinese Russian African child -

          • eyeswideopen

            I agree,.We should be taking care of our own orphans. The media has used the drug problem in America to make adoptive parents afraid of our children who need homes.

          • Claire

            My niece and her husband started out as foster parents because she could not have any kids. However, the last two kids they acquired as infants (a boy and a girl) were crack babies. Believe me, they went through hell. Nonstop crying, both babies were on medication and it seemed like the least little thing would “set” them off. It was a tough situation. My niece and her husband thought they could help them so they adopted them. They were up day and night taking care of these kids. I have to admire them for their fortitude and they sure struggled with the situation. As the kids grew, they had to be watched like hawks. My niece and her husband had to be constantly on their toes, they could never let their guard down. Except for one day, the girl got a pair of scissors, my niece had been wrapping Christmas presents and left them on the kitchen table when she answered the phone. The girl got them and went after the dog. When my niece and husband went to bed at night, they had to lock the doors so the kids would not get up and wander around. They even put iron bars on the bedroom windows and install an intercom. They had to childproof their home to the max. They had to put up everything and anything that would cause any self-injury. The kids are young teenagers now and both are still on medication. The girl is coming along well and recently won a spelling bee. The boy is in a special home, he is on medication but he has terrible bouts of rage, he even tried to strangle my niece. My niece had to put him in this home, for his own safety and theirs. They drive to see him every weekend. Talk about deication in taking care of these kids! They have devoted 16 years to take care of these kids properly. I admire their courage but geez I don’t think I could have dealt with it.

          • Claire

            “dedication” not what I typed. Sorry.

  • Patsy Cochran

    I have read some very good comments in this article. I applaud Idaho for implementing this new law. I am studying to be a nurse and would not like to be forced to do abortions or euthanize an elderly person which looks like what may soon be happening when the babyboomers reach retirement age. My generation, the babyboomer generation, will be the most affected by Obamacare in the next few years. What wealth we have accumulated is going to be taxed to the hilt, doctors will not be accepting any new medicare patients when we reach 65, and right now, individual health care insurance is unaffordable and will continue to get even higher in price. I am the spouse of a retired military man and even though we can use military health care now, we cannot use it after we reach 65. This looks like a no win situation with all of us being denied a lot of personal liberties and having to accept a lot of broken promises. We are not going to be able to get full social security benefits until we are 66yrs and 3 months of age, we won’t be able to use our military medical benefits after age 65, and since social security and medicare are both going to be bankrupt very soon, there is even the possibility that we may not get our social security retirement that we have paid into for more than 40 years.

    • eyeswideopen

      Patsy, then go to work in a religious hospital and stay out of the public sector. Easy solution. But don’t assume that you have the right to force your religious beliefs on others.

  • V Cox

    I am continually amazed at the mis-information that floats around. To, JA Graham. Most of what you write hear is an out and out lie. Congress is in Social Security and have the same opportunity for retirement as ALL Federal Employees. They do not garner retirement benefits after only one term. They are specifically required to participate in the new healthcare program. Look it up. To Patsy. Obviously you have not looked into your benefits as military retirees. Tri-Care will follow you into your Medicare years. At age 65, you move to TriCare For Life, which acts as your supplement to medicare. I have recently moved to that program and am receiving exactly the same benefits and coverage. Please people check your facts and don’t believe everything you read in an email, supposedly from someone who knows what they are talking about.

    As for a doctor refusing the honor a living will, I think that is totally wrong. Having gone through the loss of a parent without a living will, I know how hard it is on families and doctors alike.

    • ChuckL

      You may be half right. Representatives must serve 2 and 1/2 terms to receive full retirement. Senators, however, have qualified before their first term is completed. Congress includes both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

      Generalities sometimes confuse the two. As you said research will help get it right.

      • V Cox

        They are vested after 5 years, which does not mean that they can collect retirement benefits at that time. If you go to snopes.com and search congressional benefits, you will find that the emails flying around are listed there and they are false. You could also check at about.com under congressional retirement benefits and find that same information. There are currently 413 people collecting federal retirement for thier service in congress under both The CSRS program (pre l986) and the FERS system. Those collecting under FERS since l986 average $35,000 per year and are of retirement age. This is exactly the same as all federal employees, who reach the age of 60-62 prior to receiving retirement benefits.

        • Smilee

          All defined benefit private pensions by law are also vested after 5 years

    • Smilee

      Misinformation and conservatives are synonymous!! They can’t help themselves, God forgive them as they know not what they do.

  • Pathfinder

    Since when do patients have the right to FORCE doctors, nurses, or other health care providers to render a service, which they are unwilling to perform? The patient is NOT losing any rights. The patient has NO RIGHT in the first place to force a provider to violate their own conscience. It is simply up to the patient to find a health care provider who is willing to perform henious, but legal, acts.
    I can just see it now; protests that laws against rape are depriving men of their right to have sex, whether the woman is willing or not. There IS NO RIGHT to force healthcare providers to abort babies and there IS NO RIGHT to force women to have sex against their will.

    • Pat R

      Pathfinder:
      You are 100% CORRECT!! You will always be able to find a clinic somewhere that performs abortions.
      There is nothing in the Medical Professional’s Creed that requires them to perform services that go against their Conscience and Religious, Ethical Beliefs. In fact, I salute and respect anyone who refuses to perform an abortion, except in case of rape, incest and danger to woman’s health.

      • Pathfinder

        Thanks. One small disagreement. I think that even in cases of rape; we should hang the rapist and spare the child. In the case of danger to the mom; at least try to save both mother and child. AT LEAST TRY !!
        So often, “danger” is just an excuse to kill a baby. If, in spite of the best efforts of the physician, the child does not make it; then it is an unavoidable death and no one is to blame.

        • naturalist

          Right on, Pathfinder!

        • usmadgirl

          Pathfinder,

          AMEN!

        • eyeswideopen

          Pathfinder, so a women is raped, her husband doesn’t want to raise a rapist, democrats baby. She gives it up for adoption, and then none of you republicans adopt it, because you are going to Russia/China to adopt, what then? We know it was a democrats baby as only the Dems commit crimes and are responsible for all the worlds ills. OOps that was my old RWA training kicking in.

      • Dr DJK

        An interesting historical note is that the Hipocratic oath expressly forbids abortion and euthanasia.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dr. DJK, yes, and it is no longer used anywhere in the world. But the Geneva Oath didn’t have that in it did it?

  • Olimpico

    Naturalist, you’ve hit the nail on the head. All these debates, left/right, liberal/conservative, etc., come down to one basic thing: Freedom vs. limitation of freedom. Our liberal friends would be shocked to be told that they are obstructors of freedom. Yet their positions consistently incriminate them. Why can they not understand that a free individual must be left to provide for his own needs and wants? This is a fundamental reality we all learn while growing up, that is, more freedom means more responsibility.

    The liberals have no concept of that. They use all manner of regulations to control us. They have amended the federal tax code to a rediculous degree in their ongoing effort to create incentives designed to make us behave in certain ways they regard as desireable. Then, when they can’t make further use of the tax code, they resort to passing this insipidous Obamacare by which they tell us outright that we have to purchase health insurance like it or not.

    Hey liberals hear this: LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE. I wish I were wealthy enough to buy you all a big island where you could implement your socialist paradise and leave the rest of us alone to live our lives in liberty and free pursuit of personal happiness.

    • Siridh

      What people don’t understand is that if they can force us to purchase healthcare . . . for the good of the country, that one day they will be able to force us to purchase a GM or Chrysler car . . . for the good of the country. I can hear the outcry from the BMW and Lexus drivers now!

      • Smilee

        Silly boy!! Health care is part of our general welfare, cars are not, see Article I, section eight of the constitution, congress has the right to make laws for the general welfare of the nation and they just did, weather you like it or not.

        • usmadgirl

          Smilee,

          Apparently you have misinterpreted the meaning of “general welfare”. Under Article 1, Section 8, “general welfare” means the ability of congress to collect taxes for the purpose of paying the national debts & for common defense.

          As Thomas Jefferson explained the latter general welfare clause for the United States: “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”

          Chief Justice John Marshall described a further limit on the the General Welfare Clause in Gibbons v. Ogden: “Congress is authorized to lay and collect taxes, &c. to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. … Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.”

          • eyeswideopen
          • Smilee

            mad girl, that is your own interpretation, and general welfare is not the same as levy taxes, you are so confused, but nice try

          • usmadgirl

            Smilee,

            Where exactly does my comment say ANYTHING about “levy taxes”? You need to go back & re-read my comment! I simply gave you the definition of “general welfare” NOT to be confused with today’s meaning of “welfare” which is stealing from hard working people to support mostly low-life, I-don’t-want-to-work-because-I’m-a-worthless-piece-of-crap!

          • zack

            usmadgirl, smellie just comes up with the first thing that pops into his head and prints. He has no clue of what is going on in this world

          • usmadgirl

            Zack,

            You hit that nail on the head!

  • s c

    Since when is someone like Obummer concerned with anyone’s conscience? If you’re willing to brown-nose and suck-up to these slimers, you’ll fit in just fine. If you do have a conscience, be prepared to dodge hordes of back-stabbing, pc scum who will warm up to like-minded simps, but
    who have NO use for anyone who “deviates” from their ‘norm.’
    It’s an old pc trick, and unless you’re always on your guard, you’ll be ‘rewarded’ with whatever form of retaliaton best suits Obummer and his braindead, pc followers.

  • James Corbin

    Raggs, now that we have Obama Health Care—-We are going to be like other countries—We will be one world government, one world religion
    and one world bank. This is a good start of all this. Believe it or not! It’s coming!!!!!! Obama—–this is his change

  • EltonJ

    Its not a change I believe in. He’s a Sewer Rat.

  • John Carville

    Elton J, you do sewer rats an injustice. They occasionally serve a useful purpose — food for alley cats. By the way, I like this term “Obummer.” I frequently use a stronger one, but it isn’t printable.

    • EltonJ

      How about cockroach?

  • eddie47d

    Every state has rural communities where Dr’s are scarce. So if I get extremely ill and the Dr. refuses to treat me and I can’t get to a “big city” or another Dr. then I’m out of luck. If I have a medical directive should it be refused also or should that become meaningless also? Only an incompetent Dr. or Nurse would refuse to give service he or she was trained for. This isn’t just an abortion issue. Too many Dr’s get very wealthy off of doing specialty services (heart,plastic surgery,ect.) which leaves more and more burdens on family Dr’s. You really want laws that says they can pick and choose and reject whom they like? Should a fireman refuse to save a life because he didn’t feel like being bothered?

    • Jim H.

      Eddie, To compare a Doctor refusing to do a procedure That goes against their conscience and a fireman refusing to save a life because ” he doesn’t want to be bothered is really lame. What fireman would have saving someone go against their conscience? Do you think if something goes against any ones conscience it would be because it is wrong to do?

      • eyeswideopen

        Jim, everyone of you on this site, would step over a liberal who needed any kind of help, much less save their life. Who are you kidding? A minority republican would have trouble getting assistance from any of you. Too funny, for words.

        • Jim H.

          Your wrong EYES, Just because your that petty, don’t make that assumption about me. If I see anyone in trouble I do what I can to help. I may even lower myself so low as to even help YOU.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jim, if you read the hate on this site, you wouldn’t make the statement you did. These people have wished me in hell. But regardless, I will always stand up for everyones right to make their own decisions without being brow beaten by a political or religious ideology.

          • zack

            Well eyeswideopen, when are you going to start. It is a little late now.

        • usmadgirl

          eyes,

          I honestly feel sorry for you. You are the most confused & misguided person I have ever encountered! You don’t know anything about anything! You have no clue what conservatives are, what we believe or what’s in our hearts. We are the most giving people on the planet. If you think YOUR side is charitable, then you are so foolish! The left is charitable ONLY with OTHER people’s money.

          The HATE you talk about on this site is only from the left! I don’t hate ANY PERSON, but I DESPISE everything you & all the progressives stand for, because everything you all think is good or right is evil & wrong. It’s YOUR right to believe whatever you want, but it’s my right to condemn it & hate it – IT, not YOU!

          I’m not on this site ALL the time & I can’t read all the comments on all the topics. I have to WORK! But I don’t ever remember anybody wanting you to go to hell!

          When I first started commenting on this site, I made it a point to try to be nice to everyone, but when all I got from your side is name calling, the race card, Bush /Cheney bashing & Fox News/Glenn Beck bashing, & that arrogant, smarty pants attitude, I decided I had as much right to express my anger & frustration as you or anybody else!

          If you guys have Congress & the White House, why are you still so angry? Maybe that’s just your nature! I’ve only been angry for about 16 months because our country is being transformed into a tyrannical, Marxist country! What’s the left’s excuse?!

          • DDC

            usmadgirl, you hang in there. I know exactly how you feel. Been there done that.

          • usmadgirl

            DDC,

            Thanks for the encouragement!

        • Jim H.

          Eyes, I’m sorry you believe that if you car was on fire and you were trapped inside, that if I saw an Obama for pres. bumper sticker on your car I would just allow you to burn with the car. To accuse me or the others on this site to be that petty and cruel , just shows how much you really misunderstand us. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean we want you dead. If I see you in trouble I will help. Can I count on the same from you?

          • DDC

            Jim H, I agree.

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    47! I live in a rural area where we have to drive 75 miles to a clinic. We lost our doctors in the mid-70′s when government kept taking more and control. When medicare started, the Drs. visit cost $5, by 70 it was $21. More paperwork, meds increased in price, insulin was $3 a bottle and now it is $130. You liberal num nutted dems have really screwed up health care. As someone stated the last word in democrats is rats, that foul up anything they touch, I totally agree. If you idoits like the EU style of health care, get the heck out of here and take O’moron and clutchs of rats with you!!!!!

    • Smilee

      Raindancer

      Government took over nothing in health care in the seventies, Medicare started in the sixties. I assume in the seventies you were not getting any health care through Medicare. Paperwork was increased tenfold by private insurance and manages care programs all private enterprise programs and mostly regulated by the states not the feds, Medicare paperwork is minimal by comparison and cost is 15 to 20% less to administer than private plans today. Our expensive health care was the result of private enterprise and for the first time in history that is now going to change. If you were a honest person you would blame those who are actually responsible for it and not those you wish were responsible

    • usmadgirl

      Raindancer,

      I suggest Greece. What they’re trying to force on us has already failed there so I want them to have to live there in that chaos & leave us here to try to straighten out the havoc they’ve implemented, before it becomes irreversible (if it isn’t already)!

  • Dr DJK

    As a practicing physician, I beleive that my rights must be protected as well. I am sure that I am not alone in stating that there are certain things I will not do because I have to answer to God for them. Among them are abortion, euthanasia, and promoting homosexuality,etc. If I were forced to do these I would leave the practice of medicine.

    I know that it is hard for the left to understand that some people, and especially professionals have a conscience. Possibly because so few on the left seem to have one.

    If forced to violate our conscience, many would leave and then there would be a critical shortage of professionals and necessary services would be in short supply.

    Tragically, there will always be some who will supply these service to those who demand them (and worse, is that there are some who demand them)

    • Smilee

      What will you answer to God be for why you would not treat his children, and all whom you treat or refuse to treat are his children because you held these beliefs. Those final decisions are made by the patients not you, you only provide them that service, why do you feel you are responsible for their decisions or that God would hold you responsible for their their decisions

      • Joe H.

        His answer would be that he didn’t murder one of Gods children!!! There are very few of the millions of abortions performed that are a matter of life and death to the mother, more a question of convenience!!!

      • Smilee

        Joe what have you got against letting the Dr talk for himself, if you can be honest which I doubt you would have to admit you cannot read his mind, you have not the foggiest what is answer would be. Again you demonstrate your stupidity

    • usmadgirl

      Dr DJK,

      Thank you for your convictions! There are a lot of “Godless” doctors who are the ones who would unfortunately provide the services!

      My older son’s doctor in Nashville said he would have to close within the year. My retired friend’s doctor in Florida quit this week after the health care hoax passed. Luckily, she & her husband found a younger doctor who could take new patients.

      I hope there are a lot of brain surgeons available because anyone who thinks any of this is a “good thing”, definitely needs their service!

    • eyeswideopen

      Dr. so, you are saying if a woman needs an emergency abortion to save her life, you would not do that? Do you advise your patients ahead of time, that you might not treat them based on their religious or political ideologies? Do you only accept patients who are Conservatives or republicans or Christians? First question should have been are you an emergency room Dr.? If not you wouldn’t be asked to go against your beliefs anyway. Secondaly, the only docs that should be in those positions are those who can be object and not foist their beliefs on someone else. No one is asking those that don’t serve in the trauma rooms to change their beliefs.

  • John Carville

    Reply to Elton J: You ask, “What about Cockroach?” Close! They have no redeeming features as far as I know. Seriously —— In 1787, at the close of the Constitutional convention, Benjamin Franklin was asked, “What have you given us?” His answer was, “A REPUBLIC, if you can keep it.” I have lived under sixteen presidents, so far (which will give an idea of my age) and have witnessed a lot of changes. It seems to me that we are now on the verge of losing our REPUBLIC, if we haven’t, already.

    • EltonJ

      A fine woman asked him that. Franklin’s, Addams’, and Washington’s stories have been through the wringer. Fortunately, we have Franklin’s autobiography and historians who work hard to give us the truth of these Men.

  • John Carville

    To Dr. DJK: I’m with you, Doc. Several thousand years ago, on Mt. Sinai, it was literally carved is stone, “Thou Shalt Not Kill.” When I stand before St. Peter, there are a lot sins for which I will have to answer, but murder will not be one of them.

  • eddie47d

    Thank you Dr. DJK, We value your opinion even if it is slanting right. Does the right have a conscience when they are gouging people in the financial sector? When they sell you a plot of land that ends up worthless (and they knew it)? When you buy into a business and they take the money and run? When the government goes to build an airport for a city and all of a sudden cheap land goes through the roof? Then the taxpayers who have to cover the bonds get nailed? When a gay couple sends their kids to a private school but the kids are kicked out because of their parents? How many minorities would you keep from serving for under these types of laws you could do that? Sometimes we are all inconvienced by other people but don’t be blaming all you troubles on the left. There are plenty of you on the right who need to take the beam out of your right leaning eye.

    • Jim H.

      Hi Eddie, I guess people selling useless land, or running off with others money in a business deal and other raw deals would be people who aren’t following their conscience. Maybe like the doctors this law protects they should follow their conscience too. Or are you saying that because these people don’t we should force the doctors to NOT follow their conscience?

    • eyeswideopen

      Come on eddie, you know that only the dems own the business’ in this country. They also are all the teachers. All the universities are liberal, which means they must be owned by dems. They are the only ones who belong to unions. They control all the wealth. They have all the jobs. Why in the hell are they letting the conserv/repubs live here at all? Seems as though the repubs don’t contribute anything at all to this country. lol

  • chuck b

    eddie47d

    thanks for the information, all this time i have been blaming the liberals for these kind of shady land deals and financial scandals.
    its nice to know we are getting our share. speaking of airports wasn’t that one of those shady deals pulled off by one of our late congressman? ( a liberal)?? isn’t the unions and pers along with other people like soros responsible for driving up prices in the commodities market such as crude oil, is that why gas prices are going thru the roof. yup!! those conservatives are very greedy.

    • Joe H.

      Right on chuck b!!!!

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    Smilee, paper work immediately after medicare started. The Drs. office cost climb as soon as the government got it’s slimy hands in the medical businesw. This bigger and will climb faster than the mid 60′s. Also the costs were low cheap enough we didn’t need health insurance, we worked with Drs. and the hospitals. I and my family never had insurance until the mid 80′s and we paid our own way. From then on the costs imposed by more government mandates increased costs. As for the BS you lib dems say you get dropped for preexisting conditions I have never beeen dropped and I have been a diabetic for 39 years. Just more more dem BS on poor me. You smoke , are a fat bastard, do drugs, don’t , and livr off of welfare don’t cry if your premiums go up or you get dropped. Dems love welfare rats because it gives them control over a group of lazy asses. and they all vote for the socialist systems of more programs. I’ll bet you get wigglys up your leg for Omoron, who is following the play book of FDR,Wilson, and the great TRoosevelt. All socialists, all beleived in eugenics and population control. Most all dems have a giiddy feeling in just mentioning of their names. Smillee, in the issue of blacks getting the right to vote , the dems became republicans from the south when they got the real picture, the democrat party fought like hell to keep the old slavery way. Dems bought the blacks off with welfare programs every so many year up to the last few years. Buying house with no jobs. or work history of even a year. Omoron always was pushing for house ownership and making money selling drugs and scamming the system in minority hoods. The democrat party way!! You must have dylexelia or head is screwwed on back wards , which all liberal s and dems share rhat genic disordor. Also the Congress, and the Presidents, and their staff will not , never have or never will, abide under this health care plan. Go to the library and read some history books and something else besides Newsweek and Times magazines or just progressive coloring books. Quit eating the crayons and drinking tainted Kool Aid!!

    • Smilee

      Believe what you like, your entitled to your own opinions but your not entitled your own facts, your are totally wrong on the facts and totally lacking in the knowledge of the actual history. Medicare has never been able to deny coverage for pre existing conditions or drop you and with the passage of this new bill that applies to everyone now. Some group polices had agreements with the employer or whatever group they had that agreement with not to drop or take any pre existing ondition but no law said they had to until this new law was passed with the one exception being Medicare. That’s the facts sir, but somehow I believe you will still believe all the lies you spew put.

    • Smilee

      Believe what you like, your entitled to your own opinions but your not entitled your own facts, your are totally wrong on the facts and totally lacking in the knowledge of the actual history. Medicare has never been able to deny coverage for pre existing conditions or drop you and with the passage of this new bill that applies to everyone now. Some group polices had agreements with the employer or whatever group they had that agreement with not to drop or take any pre existing condition but no law said they had to until this new law was passed with the one exception being Medicare. That’s the facts sir, but somehow I believe you will still believe all the lies you spew put.

  • http://gmail i41

    47, sounds like you are talking about Harry “the fairy” peid and his many land scams and deals even getting the federal funding for a bridge to his property. Or Hillary speculating with a $1000 on livestock market and with in 10 months clearing $100,000. It was proven she had prior knowlege of meat packers capitive products in Canada. Rangel and his condos finaced with federal money and not paying taxes, Turbo Tax Geithner, Whimpy Tom “don’t pay taxes” Daschle, just to mention a few. The main difference between Democrats and Republicans, is that They all love to raise taxes but Democrats will not pay theirs unless they get caught, and they don’t pay fines like the regular folks get jail with the fine. The finanical instututions ar getting taken over by the government and most all crooks are in banking are dems. “Tim Geithner” got big bonuses, and now is the Treasury Sec. and was in banking and securities. Of course the dem game plan is to nationalize everything,farm ground and food production, banks, industries, and almost have the media uhder the government control. Sounds just like Karl Marx and Hitler and Chavaz, all leftist ,socialist, eleitist rich scum!!

    • eyeswideopen

      i41, how about Cheney going into office with net worth of 29 million, exiting with 98.8 million. Quit a return on his money in eight years don’t you think? Think haliburton, or KBR had anything to do with that? Maybe it was some left over Enron money, that Georges buddy Ken Lay, gave to him.

      • Meteorlady

        How about Pelosi’s husband? He’s making a killing off some of her bills. Think Starkist and another country.

    • usmadgirl

      i41,

      Way to go!!! We can also add energy, education (with student loans and indoctrinating the kids with “social justice”, the “global warming” lies, politically correct “history”), & nationalized ID (so they can keep up with US not ILLEGALS & possibly to begin implementing “the mark of the beast”) to the list!

      As Alcee Hastings (who was impeached as a Federal Judge & is NOW a Representative – how can that be????) said, they don’t have any rules. They just make it up as they go in order to accomplish their goals. No truer words were ever spoken!

      http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/rules_we_make_em_up_as_we_go_a.html

  • Karen

    It’s very doubtful that a health care provider would walk away from a life and death emergency just because of a difference in political affiliation. That’s just nonsense paranoia. What Idaho’s law will do is protect medical professionals from being forced to take the lives of unborn children against their will. We have the right to choose our health care provider in this country and health care providers should have the right of conscience.

    • Smilee

      I don’t know why we are having the conversation, I do not know of any law that has ever forced any doctor to perform abortions, at least I never heard of it, this was a political move in passing this law, and will change absolutely nothing from before, this grew out of a lot of paranoia

  • Richard

    In 73, while in the military a friend and his wife came to have supper and visit. The conversation came to jobs hers knowing she had just started I asked how her first day went. Her eyes misting over she said I quite. Why I asked. She said part of my job was to go to OR and take the human tissue and put it in the frunace. That I could do. Today I was called to OR to get the human tissue and was handed a tray with a baby on it fighting for every breath it could get. I wanted to take it and get it the help it needed. I was told it was not a baby but an aborted fetus to put it in the furnace. I quite. Thank God Idaho wants doctors and nurses to have a choice.

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