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Oklahoma To Implement Strict Abortion Measures After Governor’s Veto Get Overridden

April 29, 2010 by  

Oklahoma to implement strict abortion measures after governor's veto get overriddenJust a few days after Oklahoma Governor Brad Henry vetoed two restrictive abortion measures, calling them "unconstitutional intrusions into citizens’ private lives and decisions," the state senate voted to override the vetoes, meaning the bills will become laws without the Democratic governor’s support.

One of the measures forces pregnant women to undergo an ultrasound and receive a detailed description of the fetus just an hour before deciding whether or not to have an abortion, the Washington Post reports. The second bill prohibits expectant women from seeking damages in court if their physician withholds information regarding their pregnancy.

The second measure, which was overwhelmingly supported in both the state House and Senate, is designed to prevent women from discriminating against fetuses with disabilities.

"State policymakers should never mandate that a citizen be forced to undergo any medical procedure against his or her will, especially when such a procedure could cause physical or mental trauma," Henry said. "To do so amounts to an unconstitutional invasion of privacy."

The Oklahoma governor, who vetoed similar legislation in 2008, also criticized the bills for not allowing exemptions for victims of rape and incest.
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  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Wow! First Arizona steps up to the plate and now Oklahoma! Awesome!

    • Doc Sarvis

      It would seem that neither state believes in Personal Liberty.

      • Barb

        Doc everybody has the personal liberty to avoid getting pregnant in the first place, lots of ways including saying go to hell. I know you will say well what about rape or incest and I know that is a problem but there are plenty of good people out there willing to adopt and I know from experience that most girls and women do better having the baby and giving it up or sometimes they even keep it, than a lot of gals who abort their babies for no good reason. So that argument really doesn’t stand up. The idea of free love and get rid of the baby after is a crock and just shows the difference in our moral makeup. The right has morals the left has no idea what morals are!

        • s c

          Barb, if progressives were able to have a conscience, they’d know that PREVENTION can’t be ignored by anyone who claims to be moral. Unless or until progressives [and the people they brainwash into thinking abortion is 'moral'] can think long and hard about NOT getting pregnant in the first place, they’re nothing more than useful idiots for hitler, stalin, saul alinsky and the current crop of career criminals in Washington.
          ‘No fault’ morality is IMMORAL. Caring AFTER a woman is pregnant is a study in EASY MONEY and insanity. America will suffer for years via letting politicians take charge of the abortion issue.
          Progressives can’t handle balancing a budget, illegal immigrants or common sense, let alone ABORTION. See these useful idiots for who they are. Let THEM pay for abortions out of THEIR pockets. Then let them try to explain how they can be “moral” and support concentration camp-style MURDER at the same time.

          • Nancy

            You are so right in your assessment of this abortion issue.

            Ever since abortion was legalized our once moral Country has become a cesspool of sexual perversions. The number one use of abortion is simply a method of free sex with anyone and if a pregnancy results just run to an abortionist to snuff out that life.

            Very young girls and women are running arount half-naked, our TV’s & computers are saturated with perverted sexual behavior. Sex has become as expected as a good nice kiss after a date.

            Now we hear from that idiot from B.C. that if a ‘mother really loved a baby with disabilities she should smother them and ‘put them out of their misery. Another of her comments that anyone should be able to kill their babies up until the age of ‘self-awareness, like age two or three.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Barb,
          I dislike abortion as much as the next person. I was just making the comment that if personal liberty is the aim of folks on this site then, since abortion is legal, these states are moving away from personal liberty to restricting people’s access to a legal act. On another topic you raised, while there are a lot of good people willing to adopt, there is still a huge discrepancy between the number of those folks vs. the huge number of children needing adoption or foster homes.

          • GregS

            The “huge discrepancy,” of which you speak, is NOT entirely true. Infants are adopted far more readily than older children. In fact, there is usually a shortage of adoptable babies available to adoptive parents. The children in foster homes/orphanages are usually older. Furthermore, virtually ALL of the children in foster homes/orphanages were “wanted” when they were born. Otherwise they’d have been aborted! The fact is that most of the children in these places are there either because of the death of their parents, or some other event occurred (e.g. child abuse) AFTER their birth, which caused them to be placed in a foster home/orphanage.

          • GregS

            Doc, most people on this site believe in personal liberty as long as it doesn’t interfere with the rights of others. One of those rights happens to be the right to life. Just because abortion is legal doesn’t make it right.

        • angel-wanna-be

          Barb right on girl!, I was suppose to have been an abortion. My mother was very frail and at great risk, when the doctor said abortion, she said no. I was born at 6 months and 3 weeks, at 3 pounds. My mother was very ill and wasn’t suppose to have children at all, she had 3, two lived. Back in the 40′s and 50′s, You had condoms or abstinence as a means of birth control. But back then, if women would happen to get pregnant out of wedlock, the men usually stepped up to the plate and married them. They had respect. When I went to school, I lost two good friends, when I found out one had two abortions and the other had one. They used abortions as a means of birth control, it made me sick. I don’t care what anyone says, to me abortion is murder. Heart beat = life___no Heartbeat = dead.
          If there’s incest, rape or the mothers life is in danger, that’s a difficult decision and should be discussed with the father and or family and the doctor, no one else. God Bless

          • GregS

            Amen, Angel!

        • GregS

          Well said, Barb!

        • nickwolf

          A false arguement…on it’s face!
          As many conservative girls get pregnant as progressives…maybe more! When girls are 13 to 24, they like boys are not that political. So shove your constant blaming of progressives. Progress = making things better using facts, that used to be the conservative definition until religious damaged souls got into the discussion. You should not even be allowed at the table, you know so little about the subjects. Abortions went down during the Clinton Admin. and he was progressive….according to you.
          According to everyone else he was a moderate conservative democrat! In any event he lowered the rate of Abortion with education!! Get it? Education….Not laws that don’t work!
          We had those before and they made things worse…we lost girls lives for no other reason than proper medical attention.
          You ask for Prohibition to be brought back? That also made things worse. You can’t legislate sin or morality, you can educate against it! Your pigeon holing of Democrats is wrong and only shows the size of your arguement.

        • nickwolf

          If the left has no morals then the progressive Bill of Rights would never have come to be. Separation of Church and State came about to stop two Christian groups from killing each other, like they have thru the mellinia! You don’t come to the table stating a false premise like that! You are a Sophist…some one who Plato thought was not worth talking to!

          “Ignorance is not merely the lack of knowledge, but self-destructive turning away from truth in all areas of life. Persons develop a taste for ignorance, the predisposition to embrace erroneous beliefs based on presumption or mere authority. The ignorant person believes he knows what he actually doesn’t know. He becomes delusional. He is deranged.” – Plato

          THIS DROOL YOU PEOPLE SPIT OUT, IS NOT DEFENCABLE, THAT’S WHY YOU DON’T DEBATE IT. IT BECOME JUST MOB SLANG, TRYING TO JUSTIFY FALSE STATEMENTS. DEBATE AND THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT.
BY THE WAY……THE RECESSION IS OVER …. I GUESS OBAMA’S ECONOMIC POLICY WORKED!!! YOU CAN’T DENY THE OUTCOME.
ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD SPENT STIMULUS MONEY TO JUMP START THEIR ECONOMIES, IT’S CALLED KENSIAN ECONOMICS, EVEN NIXON AND REAGAN UNDERSTOOD THIS. IT IS A PROVEN FACT. 
NOW COME THE JOBS, BUT IT WILL TAKE TIME,LIKE IT DID FOR THE LAST 7 RECESSIONS! THREE TO FIVE YRS IS THE

  • http://gmail i41

    I guess we all should vaction in these staes and avoid The loon states ;ike Cal. and New York!!

    • Chaos Factor

      Please… Don’t come to California… Feel free to vacation in Oaklahoma..

    • nickwolf

      I’m originally from Ohio and now live in California. I too went to a Catholic High School. All the boys talked about was girls!! So I moved to a Public School, so I could play football and basketball in peace. The East and West Coasts pay most of the taxes in America. The South actually makes more than they pay in. My daughter had to make the abortion decision, I told her it was her’s to make and that I would love her no matter what she decided. We discussed the case from both sides. I did not terrorize her with disgusting wrong religious fear.
      She ended up having the child and is raising her with no father and graduated College. But….not because 170 cells were not destroyed, not because Religious nuts seem to know what or when a soul is or manifests. The facts from your own religions are that we do not have dominion over souls…only God does! We have no ability to destroy or save one. People like to play God….but they can’t. So stop lying and get out of peoples personal moral decisions. What if your wrong? What if God does not have the soul in any place that humans can touch. What if there is no God? What if he is a woman? Stop running modern society out of an old moldy iron age book! It’s been proven wrong too many times to be God’s word. Remember they just dug up Copernicus and oh, yeah and what about Gallileo?? Get a life….stay out of mine…..American Christian Taliban!
      p.s. Babies who died befor baptism used to go to Limbo (pergatory) Now the Pope says they go to Hell! Thats what they
      used to say a thousand years ago….can there be any proof more convincing that their making this all up!! How dare you tell a bereived mother that her dear baby is in Hell! After you told her its in Limbo??? NO…..thats where righteous Christians who play God go after they have the disgusting pretention to judge there fellows.

      • libertytrain

        Before you spread more silly rumors about the Catholic Church sending babies to hell – you need to research it a little bit for some accuracy. Here’s something from Newsweek – and of course, there’s plenty more things out there:
        “Letting Go of Limbo”
        “In the world of Vatican reversals, it’s a big one. According to a 41-page report by the Roman Catholic Church’s International Theological Commission, limbo—a celestial middle ground between Heaven and Hell—is no longer necessary. That means that babies who die unbaptized are now free to go to heaven rather than being consigned to limbo…”
        http://www.newsweek.com/2007/04/23/letting-go-of-limbo.html
        Also, for an old Catholic you are confused. Limbo and Purgatory have never been the same things.

  • s c

    So, Oklahoma is stuck with a pro-death, baby-hating, abortion=easy money, “Margaret Sanger
    is god,” quack governor. I’m sorry about that, Oklahoma.
    So does your governor insist that abortions are paid for by progressives? When a woman decides to have an abortion, is she informed of the true background of abortions in America? Are those women told that easy money for death-loving quacks is the KEY in that process?
    Oklahoma, I wish you luck in ridding yourself of a eugenics-worshiping twit. Once people confuse a ‘rights’ vs. a basic morality issue, it’s hard to make people understand how they’ve taken the wrong path.
    Just remember that Americans are starting to see abortions for what they are. According to the
    dictates of eugenics, anyone who justifies an abortion MUST see senior citizens as potential
    “late” abortion candidates. And, they will demand that we see this as the new, true MORALITY.
    It is truly sad that anyone in the midwest can surrender to the psychotic whims of Teddy Roosevelt, Margaret Sanger and Hitler’s concentration camps.

    • Barb

      sc, at least their legislature pretty much told that twit of a governor where to go! Perhaps they will keep it up till the voters vote him out!

  • http://www.familylifebc.com Darryl Curtis

    There is no need for an exception for rape or incest. Suppose I rape a woman, get her pregnant, get caught and plead guilty to rape. Will I get the death penalty? No. But you want to give the death penalty to the unborn child, who hasn’t done anything wrong? Are you sure?

    • libertytrain

      Darryl, this is a difficult question to answer and I couldn’t unless I was put in that position. You are apparently not a woman – and I hope you will never be the victim of rape or incest or have wife, daughter, grandchild who are. I don’t think you would be able to truthfully answer the question either until you had to face that experience. And if it was up to me, I’m thinking the death penalty for a rapist is possibly too intense, but I do believe in something I heard back in the 70′s for this problem. CONFISCATE THE WEAPON.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Libertytrain,
        Amen and well said!!!

        • libertytrain

          Thank you Joe.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            libertytrain,
            I almost moved to NYC a number of years back when the mayor called rape assault with a friendly weapon just to vote against him!!! what a empty headed fool!!!

          • libertytrain

            Joe H – wow – which Mayor was that! I missed that one.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            It was about 25 years ago!

      • angel-wanna-be

        LIBERTY TRAIN, can anyone say LOREENA BOBBIT??__If some of these ANIMALS/men, that raped women and children, we’re turned into Eunichs, there would be a lot less of rape, GUA-RAN-TEED!!!

        • angel-wanna-be

          Liberty train, if you visit Turkey, they believ in and Eye for and Eye__If you steal, you lose a hand!__If you kill, you will be killed. If you rape, you lose your family jewels!! The last I’ve heard, the last crime committed was around 15 years ago!__ The stats, May have changed by now though.

          • libertytrain

            The woman I knew who used the line “confiscate the weapon” was an activist in Milwaukee in the early 70′s – one tough cookie and the bobbit gal was kind of bizarre acting in her own crazed mind. And I’m all for the confiscation now that we have DNA testing to verify wrongdoing.

      • Anthony

        Darryl -
        What about the rights of the woman? Does she not have the right to choose WHEN she might “prefer” to become pregnant? Have you ever talked with people who were born into extremely harsh conditions, where it is understandable to extrapolate a Mother should have waited to conceive, but was forced against that option?

        They are right – this is a truly otugh and difficult issue to discuss. And, the one most glaring act there is to it all, is how our Education System ignores its own opportunities in Junior High and High School, to have discussions, teachings, etc., on the topic, hardly, if at all. It’s one thing to hand out condoms. Yet, without a truly adult discussion to go along with that, how can we expect many females, most likely the majority, to fully grasp the implications?

        When I became a Father, it was a proud moment in my Life. However, I did argue against it, at the time, as financially, we simply were not as ready as we could be. THIS point of contention is where women fall off the responsibility wagon – and the reasonings are many.

        I do not have anything but high regard and great love for my daughter. Yet, had we waited, maybe her childhood would have been all that much better. As parents, it is something necessary to consider at all times. Not just the idea of “having a baby” for the purposes of seeing what it’s like.

        Embarrassed, or not, Parents have a right to know when their child is involved with this issue. Children who get pregnant have a responsibility to maintain an open dialogue with their Parents. It’s this secret nonsense, that destroys families in the first place – difficult or not, excuses here simply tear the familial structure down even further.

        In the coming years, I have no doubt families are going to re-group together into multi-generational units, all living under the same roof. By necessity, my comments will hold a greater import than ever before. There could possibly be no other options when this becomes the reality.

  • Barb

    Our State passed similar laws last week and our very smart and good governor signed them into law, so Oklahoma isn’t the only state and way to go Oklahoma!!!! More states need to follow suit! Abortion is murder pure ans simple. If you want to plead individual rights then think about it before you have sex not after. The trouble with the libs is they don’t believe in actions leading to consequences and when they do they just get rid of the consequence! No responsibility on their part whatsoever they don’t even know what responsibility is. I think you latter day hippies had better learn and fast!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Barb,
      As I’ve said again, there are two words that progressives don’t like to hear together. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!

  • chuck b

    do you think we could abort barry soetoro??

    • s c

      Chuck b, it’s impossible to consider a progressive a morality icon, especially when the abortion mantra demands that any baby be seen as ‘expendable.’ In other words, ‘in the name of enlightened morality,’ a baby must be expendable, regardless of the possibility that a baby might become another progressive.
      Only someone like Hitler or Margaret Sanger could find people who would embrace such blatant insanity. Then again, by definition, a progressive is someone who willingly embraces insanity.
      It takes a world-class lunatic to put a progressive on a pedestal (or endure their ‘reasoning’) when it’s obvious that that philosophy incorporates wholesale murder via abortion, a sadistic form of population control and “morality.”
      I’ll wager that Obummer’s ‘special’ brand of arrogance keeps him from admitting that “certain” progressives can’t be considered abortion fodder.
      One MUST have standards, eh?

      • Chaos Factor

        Sc… The rightwing always complains about government intruding in citizens private lives….but you rightys are always the first to condone government intrusion…like the Slimebag Republican Pat Bertroche who wants to implant humanbeings( illegal immigrants ) with Micro chips….he’s an Iowa republican…and typical rightwing Nazi…

        • s c

          Thanks, o confused one. You’ve made my day. If that Bertroche (correct spelling?) sees a reason to put implants in people (for ANY reason), then that makes him an ultraliberal progressive (aka Democrat) in conservative clothing. You’ll look long and hard before you find even a handful of conservatives who will support someone like Betroche. A polite way to describe him would be a RINO. Where you come up with these crazy ideas that a conservative would back the idea of an implant simply proves how WACKO you ultraliberal progressives are.
          Thanks again for making my day, einstein.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            s c,
            I would support implanting a few of these libbies with my left foot, and I’m a conservative!!! A few illegal aliens as well wouldn’t hurt as well!!!

  • Chaos Factor

    Another case of the rightwing interfering in womens rights… Forcing medical procedures …. The courts will overturn it… Its like the Terri Schievo case…. Republicans butting in on family rights…Roe v.s. Wade already decided this issue… I support the womans right to choose…

    • Jim H.

      Chaos, Choosing to do what? Just because you give a nice name(choice) to committing an atrocity ( mother killing her own unborn son or daughter) doesn’t make it right.And that is how an abortion works, the baby is killed. It’s not complicated. The RIGHT to choose. If I wait until after the umbilical cord is cut it’s murder. Does some one need a belly button to be protected by law. Just because it’s legal, doesn’t make it moral.

      • s c

        JimH, have you ever wondered WHY a loving, caring, compassionate, superior, supremely moral, ultraliberal progressive NEVER goes into details concerning HOW a baby is aborted? There’s no easy or polite way to gloss over the standard method for MURDERING a baby while it’s still in its mother’s womb.
        An MD takes a suction device and literally SUCKS out the baby’s brain. It gags me when I’m supposed to think that progressives care about people. This technique is straight out of Hitler’s WWII concentration camps. And we’re supposed to think these putzoids care about us? How stupid do they think we are?
        Kindly remember that the “healthcare professionals” who commit this foul MURDER are MDs, and they are paid VERY WELL for their so-called ‘compassion.’
        MURDER for profit. What a concept! And these same caring progressives turn pale when a convicted murderer is sentenced to death. What world-class HYPOCRISY!

        • Jim H.

          SC, I think many of these people have been sold on the fallacy of woman’s reproductive rights.( even when no reproduction will take place) I think some of them have no concept of being accountable for their actions. Some of the mothers are younger than Roe vs. Wade, so they have been told all their lives it’s OK. I don’t know how the doctors can in good conscience perform the abortion, the know the body and what it is they are doing. They say Satan is the Great Deceiver, and I think he has many weak minds fooled. I think some of the teenage girls are just scared and think they are taking the easy way out.( not knowing that it will haunt them further down the road. It is hypocrisy, for someone who is more worried about a death row convict, or a terrorist at Gitmo, to not want to protect the most innocent, helpless HUMANS we have. Much of it is just plain selfishness and denial of what they are doing.

          • s c

            JimH, let me tell you how immoral our nation’s so-called ‘religious’ leaders are. Some of them (NOT all of them) were outraged via Roe vs. Wade.
            They SHOULD be outraged. At the same time, these religious pillars were NOWHERE to be found when God was kicked out of America’s classrooms.
            That is, in America it’s possible to be a ‘religious leader’ and be shocked at babies being murdered in the name of reproductive rights. BUT, when it comes to kicking God out of the classroom, well, that’s perfectly OK (a ‘little’ dab of Caesar wouldn’t hurt anybody).
            Anyone who claims to be a religious leader (or is seen as one), is anything BUT a religious leader when murdering babies is ‘wrong,’ but they can tolerate keeping God out of a school.
            A TRUE religious leader would be outraged at ANY development that compromises morality. That’s just one reason why major faiths in America are apostate, and their ‘leaders’ are no better than political whores who say ‘this’ but do ‘that.’
            Whenever a religious ‘leader’ compromises with government, that ‘leader’ has proved that he (or she) is NO leader, and needs to be in another ‘job field.’

        • http://?? Joe H.

          s c,
          you mean like the partial bith abortion? Where they partially deliver the CHILD, then stick a pair of surgical sissors into it’s skull and then suck out its brains??? And to top it off their hero was in support of it while he was a senator!!! Real humane guy!!!!

        • Jim H.

          SC, I went to Catholic school from the mid 60′s to the early 70′s, so I’m not sure when God was removed from public school, God was always in my classroom. I saw a bumper sticker that read “Dear God, How can you allow violence in school? Parent. Dear parent I’m not allowed in school. God”. If the religious leaders did speak out would they get press coverage? Would they be ridiculed for trying to go against Church and State separation? Many of the outlets religious leaders have to get the word out, aren’t listened to or watched by the people who need it the most.Many Bishops, Rabbi’s, Ministers and Priest’s may have written there congressmen, but that wouldn’t be publicized. Spiritual guidance was found in the home and from families attending church together. Some of that is missing now,too. Things have been sliding for a long time and it will take a long time to repair.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jim H,
            I went to Catholic school for one year. The worst year of my young life!!! i got away with things in public school. I didn’t get away with anything there!!! You know though, I still remember those nuns with affection and a family type love!!! They were dam firm, but they showed me love too. They taught me the meaning of respect!!

    • GregS

      That whole “choice” mentality was dreamed up by NARAL in a marketing agency on Madison Avenue in New York in the early 70′s, as a way of promoting abortion as a method of birth control. What a scam!

  • American Liberal

    Economy grows at 3.2 rate…. Best in 3 years… Bummer for you rightys…

    • Jim H.

      Am Lib, 3 years, the same amount of time the dems held congress. 4 years ago, even way better then now.

  • American Liberal

    Rightwing morals? lmaooooo… Too funny..

  • chuck b

    american lib

    go back to your black history class. the economy stinks just like your muslim leader.

    • s c

      Chuck b, progressive ‘leaders’ must give a special ‘be stupid’ dispensation to their converts so they can lie and try to warp the truth on a daily basis.
      Never in my life have I seen so many lies, distortions and examples of utter stupidity on a regular basis on a website (yes, ultraliberal progressives).
      A kid who’s 4 or 5 years away from getting into high school can out-think most of those sad space cadets. Have you ever seen so many people who rely on emotion and the EVASION of facts in a weak attempt to carry on an adult conversation?
      Talk about a group that was born to dig ditches and look forward to a welfare state [and their 'god' is dependent on a teleprompter?]. SPOOKY!

  • chuck b

    sc

    the only thing i can say is “god help us” with the mentality they expose it is scary.

  • Jim H.

    Since Roe vs. Wade there has been 50 million known abortions. Don’t the politicians realize that’s 50 million VOTERS? All killed. One sixth of our country’s population, KILLED.

    • GregS

      Jim, the pro-abortion politicians don’t care. They get paid off by the populationists and abortionists (e.g. Planned Parenthood, NARAL, NAF, etc). There are three agendas in the abortion industry:

      1. Money.
      2. Population control.
      3. Body parts (Most recently, this applies to the justification of fetal stem cell research, which hasn’t produced a single treatment for any disease: If it’s OK to abort fetuses/embryos, then it’s OK to clone them and to chop them up for stem cells, and vice versa.).

      It’s all neatly packaged up into the “choice” mentality. How nice!

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