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Of The People, By The People And Against The People

February 26, 2013 by  

Of The People, By The People And Against The People
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As I read the article that was so blatantly planted in Saturday’s Washington Post, I couldn’t help but think: If only our good friends in Washington were as dedicated to doing something constructive with their time, such as not spending our money like drunken sailors on shore leave. I’m sure some of you missed it. Don’t think for one minute that isn’t why Ed O’Keefe’s piece, “Senators near a deal on background checks for most private gun sales,” was buried in the least-read edition of the week.

It seems as if the Federal government has abandoned its attempts to breach the Bill of Rights’ front door and has instead decided to climb through a window. According to the story, a bipartisan group of four Senators is just a few dotted Is and crossed Ts from crafting legislation that would bar private sales of firearms without restrictions, including a background check and extensive transaction records. Those who support this sort of intrusion will suggest that these are hardly onerous stipulations. However, beyond the obvious hassle — not to mention potential identity fraud risks — of forcing Tom to conduct a Federally acceptable background check on Dick before selling him the old Security Six that was taking up space in the safe, there are some rather obvious gaps in the logic of such a law.

Like most laws that are designed to combat so-called “gun violence,” a bill regulating conduct of private sales would hardly dent the murder rate in Chicago or one of those other Democrat-run cities that has turned into a Third World war zone. Criminals don’t want law enforcement to know what they’re up to; they certainly aren’t going to tip off the Feds to the contents of their arsenal. “Hang on there, fellow gangbanger. I need you to sign off on these Federal firearms sales records before I can legally allow you to take possession of this fully automatic RPK. We may be criminals, but God forbid we break the law.” Much like every law the Feds have bolted onto the 2nd Amendment, a law restricting private firearms sales between law-abiding individuals would bounce harmlessly off the side of the criminal element.

Now, don’t get me wrong; I’m not as laissez-faire about gun sales and ownership as some of my libertarian friends. To me, gun ownership has always been fairly commonsense. Not everyone should be allowed to own a firearm, and I don’t mean just the criminals. The guy down the street with the trashbag-covered windows and a lifetime subscription to Mother Jones probably ought to be kept away from the boomsticks, as well. But law-abiding citizens needn’t fear their neighbors simply because the Democrats tell them they should. The fact that I own multiple firearms has proven to be of no consequence to anyone, save the occasional deer, pheasant or grouse (on a really good day). Using the specter of the Newtown, Conn., tragedy to try to convince people otherwise isn’t just dishonest; it’s cruel. By the gun grabbers’ logic, I’m as dangerous as the guy down the street who wears a tinfoil hat and watches MSNBC.

So-called “gun control” laws like the one our dear Senators are hammering out are the same as any other laws that seek to abrogate the Bill of Rights (think: so-called “hate speech” laws). At their heart, they contain a nugget of mistrust. By telling me I can’t sell a .38 to my next door neighbor’s mother, the government is telling me it trusts neither my judgment nor her character. And a government of the people has no right to question those people without just cause.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Buster the Anatolian

    Two home runs today Ben. This article and “Their War On Freedom: A Deconstruction” Keep up the good work.

  • Vicki

    Ben Crystal writes:
    “Now, don’t get me wrong; I’m not as laissez-faire about gun sales and ownership as some of my libertarian friends. To me, gun ownership has always been fairly commonsense. Not everyone should be allowed to own a firearm, and I don’t mean just the criminals. The guy down the street with the trashbag-covered windows and a lifetime subscription to Mother Jones probably ought to be kept away from the boomsticks, as well.”

    On what grounds do you make this claim?

    ~300 MILLION Americans (including most of the gun grabbers and/or readers of Mother Jones) DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.

    STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the acts of a few

    STOP IT
    STOP IT NOW.

    As to the criminals. Keep them in jail. There is no other way to stop them from getting guns in a truly free society (and there are reports that they even criminals in jail get guns :) )

  • Flashy

    “a bipartisan group of four Senators is just a few dotted Is and crossed Ts from crafting legislation that would bar private sales of firearms without restrictions, including a background check and extensive transaction records.”

    Recall yesterday’s article by Livingston that cited ‘code wrods’ and carefully crafted language to foment fear? Crystal took it and ran with it. The legislation would close the loopholes in gun background checks. One sells a gun to anyone but a family member, one conducts a background check to ensure it’s not sold to a felon, ex con, unbalanced etc.

    That’s a problem why? Holding anyone who sells a deadly weapon to a level of responsibility is wrong? In effect, Crystal’s argument is that gun owners are irresponsible when dealing with deadly weapons.

    Crystal uses Chicago and other cities as examples of strict gun control laws being ineffective. What he doesn’t point out is that most of the guns USED in Chicago are bought elsewhere. What he doesn’t point out is the famous I 95 gun route leading from Virginia and other southern states straight to NYC and the north. Buy a few guns in Virginia, drive to NYC, make a tidy profit. No way to trace who sold the guns to the criminal elements.

    So four Senators who have the Nation in mind and the Rights of Americans have begin the process to hold those selling a weapon to a level of responsibility. That and to have a record to track who are the sellers of guns to bad guys. you sell a gun to a bad guy, and it’s used in the commission of a crime…if you did not conduct a background check or sold in spite of one..should you not have a leel of liability…i.e. responsibility?

    That’s the main gist of the issues involving gun sales and gun control laws. There is a minority who yell and scream and demand they not be held to any level of responsibility for selling a weapon. Not owning a weapon..selling one.

    They demand they be allowed to be like irresponsible children, even as it endangers Americans.

    • Warrior

      I wonder what “background checks” our esteemed leaders employ when they decide to “arm” the rebels and insurgents? Maybe there will come a time in Amerika when some “foreign” leaders will wish to “arm” the rebels and insurgents. Far fetched? Not at this rate. Put your hammers away and concentrate on “fixing the family”. That would be a much better start.

    • RivahMitch

      The fundamental difference is that some of us understand that government is NOT to be trusted and others worship at it’s altar. You presume that the government having an inventory of everyone’s property (weapons, jewelry, precious metals, or whatever) would just maintain it forever and never use it. We maintain that governments historically, this one being no exception, will use whatever information it has to assert power to it’s, rather than it’s citizens benefit. Whether you like it or not, it’s a fact that the 2nd Amendment is the ultimate guarantor of all the others and that without it we become subjects rather than citizens. The Constitution, as written and amended, is still the ultimate model for maintaining individual freedoms. Forty five years ago, I enlisted in the Marine Corps prepared to kill and die to keep totalitarian/authoritarian models of government as far from my country as possible. I’m no less prepared to do so today when the challenge arrives at my front door and I’m not alone. Semper Fi!

      • Flashy

        RM…and that’s your reasoning for demanding to be seen as a child and not be held to a level of responsibility ?

      • APN

        Flashy said: That and to have a record to track who are the sellers of guns to bad guys. you sell a gun to a bad guy, and it’s used in the commission of a crime…if you did not conduct a background check or sold in spite of one..should you not have a leel of liability…i.e. responsibility?

        Once again Flashy, you assert yourself as this all-omniscient “Adult” but then you continue to post comments that are basically naive and childish.

        To answer you question more directly, NO, I am not responsible nor am I liable for another mans actions. That is a progressive mentality not an ADULT mentality.

        Let’s present the same question to you; would you feel responsible or liable if you sold your favorite Babe Ruth Collectors item ball bat and then the buyer took it home and killed his family with it? If the answer to that question is YES, well, your not too bright are you, and just maybe you need to seek some counseling.

        Let’s keep a log of everything that every human being sells to his fellow man in America and then TRACK those items just in case one of those items are used by some Whacko down the road! Boy, that will fix it!! And we wonder why we are 17 Trillion in debt?

        APN

    • alpha-lemming

      “Sellers being allowed to act like irresponsible children” and in your world mandates will demand EVERYONE (buyers, sellers, & the non-participant) be TREATED as children. A very common lib-gressive, collectivist, end…. and if you doubt me….seing your post reminded me of the aging hippy, lefty, “pony-tail guy” talking to Bubba during a debate when he stated (paraphrased)…”We ARE children…what will you do to take care of us yadda, yadda”. This is the USA and if being a coddled naif is your wish…. I’m sure you can find programs to get you there… but just like children need to be told “NO…you can’t have cake, candy bars, and Fritos for supper”…… leave the decision making up to grown-ups!!

      • Flashy

        So Alpha..you have an issue with performing a background check on someone who buys a weapon from you? Now why would that be? Perhaps because you would sell to a criminal element uncaring if it were used in a crime? Or you wouldn’t care who bought it because you’d be able to pocket a small profit without bearing any responsibility?

        bottom line…you want to be able to sell weapons without responsibility. In other words..be a child peddling dangerous weapons.

      • alpha-lemming

        Au contraire……. I’d probably have stricter criteria for selling than most… of course that’s the RESPONSIBLE.. y’know GROWN-UP… thing to do. Now… all this thinking has probably tuckered you out…. let’s fix you up a ba-ba and put our little man down for a happy-nappy. You’re all so adorable at that age!!

      • APM

        AL…EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT!

        APN

    • Don 2

      Universal Background Checks = Universal Gun Registration = Government Confiscation

      Watch the video: http://www.nra.org

      Benefits of Gun Control:
      Concentration Camps
      Killing Fields
      Gulags

      • Linda Cain

        Amen!

    • Chester

      Flashy, this time I am forced to disagree with you. With the rules that are being promulgated, not only do YOU have to pay for a background check on any stranger who might want to buy a gun from you, you also get to pay for a background check on your sons and daughters, nephews and nieces if any of them by some chance happen to want one of your guns. I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop, that ALL guns MUST be titled and registered just like a car, and like a car, the registration would have to be renewed periodically. That way the good people who run this country know exactly who has what, unless you file a police report saying such and such a weapon has been stolen. Oh, if you DO file that report, you had best be able to prove a break-in, with property damage in excess of five hundred dollars, about the price of a GOOD gun safe.

      • Flashy

        “you also get to pay for a background check on your sons and daughters, nephews and nieces if any of them by some chance happen to want one of your guns.”

        From what I have read, there’s an exemption for sales to family members.

        As for the theft report and need for a gun safe…just how do you come to that thinking? On that, I’m curious

      • phideaux

        “As for the theft report and need for a gun safe…just how do you come to that thinking? On that, I’m curious”

        flashy if the “theft report” concept is too complicated for your feeble attempts at thinking then no one can explain it to you. The gun safe part is even simpler as $500 is the cost of a good gun safe.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      This is the proverbial nose of the camel under the tent. This is the first step in registration. The next is confiscation. Then it will be the scrapping of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

      • Tltwtnts

        Guns should be confiscated. There is no reason for anyone other than law enforcement and military too have any weapon other than a shotgun for hunting (max 4 shells) and a bolt action rifle (max 4 shells) do away with civilian ownership of hand guns completely. The world would be a much better place.

      • phideaux

        “Tltwtnts I suppose you can provide links to studies to back up your unfounded claims.

      • APN

        Well said Cap, this has NOTHING to do with safety but has everything to do with those who seek absolute power in Washington.

        APN

    • Vigilant

      “Crystal uses Chicago and other cities as examples of strict gun control laws being ineffective. What he doesn’t point out is that most of the guns USED in Chicago are bought elsewhere.”

      Now Flashy, please present us with a rejoinder that addresses the significance of where the weapons are purchased. The origin of the guns has absolutely no relevance to the truth of the statement that “strict gun control laws [are] ineffective.”

      You can’t create an Alinsky diversion by claiming to join two separate facts that have no relation to each other. What part of “strict gun control laws [are] ineffective” do you not understand?

      • APN

        Well said Vig and NO he doesn’t.

        APN

    • Mike V.

      Wow. It’s that easy to buy a gun in Virginia? They must be knee deep in blood. Oh wait, they are not knee deep in blood. Now with all those easy to get guns, why is that so?

      • APN

        Yep, imagine that Mike? I took a trip out west years ago to a state that still had the right to carry a weapon anywhere at anytime. We stopped by a local outfitter and I began to notice that everyone in the store, at minimum, had a large hogleg on their side. As in, a 44 mag or desert eagle.

        I also noticed that everyone I met there were polite and very helpful. In fact, over a three week excursion of the area, I never once witnessed a crime or even a loud argument. The reason being is that stiff penalties were applied to those carrying a weapon in public that displayed unruly behavior, as in high, drunk, etc. much less to actually commit a crime with a weapon. BAD idea in this state because they actually enforced their gun laws.

        I pondered that event for a long while and then decided to do a little research on the crime rate in that state. Well, it had one of the lowest crime rates in the country.

        You see, when all men are truly made equal with the ability to defend themselves with a LETHAL weapon, well, the bad guys seem to keep their mouths shut. This in effect is the very reason that Russia never attacked America during the cold war. They knew we had a big stick that could do lethal harm.

        Common sense is hard to find these days and only a sheep can be led to the slaughter.

        APN

  • Enough

    They can pass all of the illegal laws they want and we WILL IGNORE THEM.

    • ibcamn

      Hey,then we’ll be the outlaws!”outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!”hav’nt i read that somewhere before??…history repeats itself!

  • jdn

    Its all about getting a national gun registery which has been the main sticking point to the UNs small arms treaty . They want to know the name, address , type and number of guns owned by each and every American . By hook or crook our politicians will help them get this , after all its for the childrens safety .

    • APM

      Jdn….Best post on this subject to date! Factual and very revealing about the end game plans of the “Progressive” Marxists.

      APN

  • Robespierre

    Ah, Flashy, your blatant comments give you away as per usual. What is it about the ” shall not be infringed” you don’t wish your fellow Americans to enjoy, or could it be you are not a citizen of the United States of America.

    • Flashy

      Explain how conducting a background check and transaction paperwork when selling a dangerous weapon infringes your “right” to own a dangerous weapon.

      • cawmun cents

        Very soon after that Flashman…..come a background check for commenting on any articles you read on the net.If you arent seen as fitting of giving,then you will not be allowed to pontificate and postulate,as you have been.
        Or are you completely ignorant of how these things get worse and worse as time goes on when you allow them to occur in the first place?
        Take a page out of any history book,and read it well.Then read what isnt said there,and what goes between the lines.Then maybe…just maybe…you will begin to get a clear picture of what is going on.
        Or just remian one of those people trained to go by your physical senses to your dismay and destruction.
        Just dont say you werent warned.
        -CC.

      • http://midcontent ridge runner

        Apparently Flushy doesn’t read history, or maybe it means it is a brain dead special person, with memory loss. Every dictator or controller of a country kept multi lists, on his citizens, shortly before killing them off for supposed offence.

      • Flashy

        So you aren’t against background check and transaction receipts if you sell a dangerous weapon, you’re against having one conducted on YOU when you purchase a dangerous weapon.

        Again, that has no bearing on any “right” to own a dangerous weapon. You still maintain that. Unless there’s something in your background that would show up and kill the deal.

        So you’d impede the ability to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. You’re against limiting access to buying weapons by those who would use them committing a crime. yes, there would still be ways for the bad guys to get weapons..but background checks and transaction records would impede the flow, raise the price, and would price the blackmarket weapons beyond most of the criminal element. You don’t want that…you’d rather be treated like a sulking child throwing a tantrum and allowed to shirk responsibility.

        So why don’t you want to be responsible and act like an adult?

      • ibcamn

        It’s only dangerous,as you put it,in the hands of dangerous people!(or stupid people)
        or idiots who run around all flashy,hey be lookin at me man,i’m a gansta!!

      • momo

        Flashy says: “the blackmarket weapons beyond most of the criminal element. ”

        Do you think, and I know that’s hard for you flashman, that the “criminal element” might just steal a gun if they couldn’t afford to buy one on the black market?

      • eddie47d

        MOMO; Legal gun owners buy illegal weapons all the time. They use Gun Trusts to do so and it is usually not expensive. More loopholes for the unhinged!

      • Flashy

        Gee Momo..are you suggesting that it may get to where guns are valuable enough to steal because the bad guys can’t afford to buy one …and irresponsible gun owners would have them laying around to steal?

        Sure…I can see that. And i can see that such would be a better problem than the bad guys being able to buy a gun cheaply as they can now, and it not being backtracked to find out who is selling guns to the bad guys.

        Any excuse y’all can figure out to avoid having to be responsible and adult in having a dangerous weapon eh?

      • CZ52

        The last numbers I saw on it probably 6 months ago said a full auto AK47 was selling for $100-$200 on the world weapons black market. If you make illegal firearms more expensive to own in the US the criminals will just import the AK’s and even with a 200% markup they will still get a bargin. Some might say that would be too difficult to do. Their saying so would be bull hocky, the feds cannot put any kind of siginificant dent in the illegal drugs coming into the US and the guns would be even easier to smuggle in.

      • phideaux

        “MOMO; Legal gun owners buy illegal weapons all the time.”

        Another specious claim from eddie offered with no proof of any kind to back it up.

    • APN

      Flashy said : So why don’t you want to be responsible and act like an adult?

      So Flashy, why don’t YOU want to be “responsible” and THINK like an adult? Responsible being the operative word. How is it that YOU, as an adult, could suggest that WE RESPONSIBLE adult GUN OWNERS should be punished for the foolish behavior of others?

      Oh, I forgot, you are of the “Collective” progressive mindset that asserts that WE THE PEOPLE should all live in the mire and the muck of your perverted ideology regardless of our rights to KEEP and BEAR ARMS provided by the 2nd Amendment in that pesky ole constitution.

      Just like your perverted ideology that insists that we all participate in the slaughter of MILLIONS of unborn human beings through abortion FUNDED by Obamacare. If you want to be the GREAT DEFENDER of all peoples in AMERICA, well, why don’t you start with those who never had a change to defend their very existence?

      Would you like to have a meaningful ADULT conversation about the REAL cause of violence and deaths in America or a CHILDISH conversation about inanimate objects??

      It is the spirit of a man that does evil Flashy, not the gun, rock or spear, all of which could be classified as an “Assault Weapon”.

      Your ideology is a perversion of reality far greater than your simple thought process will ever understand.

      APN

  • dan

    they’d better stop worrying about Newtown and start worrying about Paris,1789

    • http://aol CommonSense4America

      You don’t need to go that far back. Just google — Athens Tennessee 1946. That is why we have the Second Amendment.

  • jim

    Either way you look at this, it’s just opens a door for home inspections…talk about invasion of privacy, and the fourth amendment…wait there is no fourth anymore?…

    • ibcamn

      You are right on the money with that!progressive liberals are trying every concievable way to get in that door,to do just that!..because what may start off as an inspection turns ugly real fast!when cops show up,SWHTF!if they say it’s just for security or to check,you know they will stretch that law to and beyond the breaking point!..if they came into your house for a inspection,you know your going out in a body bag!that’s how it will go,and those of us who have had their rights trampled on a few times know what i mean!when LEO think they know best,that’s when things go wrong!!

  • Kane

    Keep up the great work Ben!
    Besides, it give the obama “cyber warriors” something to do!

  • securityman

    the idiots that are trying to take our guns are the same ones that have a fit if their”armed” security officers take a day off . they use our taxes to pay for the officers and want them to have the best firearms around, but they don’t want the people to have those same weapons. that should give all of the fence-riding public a thought or two about what the idiots in power are trying to do.if it doesn’t give you pause and a little fear then you can go ahead and bend over obummer and his pack. as for me, i’ll just keep my guns loaded and dare anyone to come in my house, without a warrent, to check that my guns are safe.

  • Procius

    Is there anyone on this site that actually pays any attention to anything that Flashy posts. I, myself, do not respond to Flashy’s posts, as it encourages more of them. Totaly ignoring them is the best solution to them going away. You will notice that the posts always have a ‘I am superior in mind and matter to you, therefore you should believe what I post and not what others post because they act and think like little children’ tone to them. Ignore. Ignore. Ignore

    • ibcamn

      Well yeah,but isn’t that why you keep stupid friends around?to pick on and have fun with(besides their fun to watch)or,as they say,red headed step child!!ha ha ha just joking,it’s called freedom of speech!besides he can take a zinger and keeps coming back for more!!…back to the stupid friend thing there!!…so isn’t that a bit precocious of you!??!

    • momo

      Flashy thinks he’s a god, the liberal version of course.

    • eddie47d

      Yet you still manage to respond to them. Do his set of facts upset you or are you running from the truth? Obviously you have nothing but arrogance and gloating to serve as a rebuttal of his comments.

    • APN

      Actually Procius, I disagree, I think WE NEED him to stick around so he can continue to shed the light on “progressive lunacy”, for all to see.

      If we did stop communicating with him, well, he would then get in an argument with himself and eventually pass out from chasing his tail.

      APN (:->>>>>

      • APN

        We should keep Eddie in the loop as well. He does a better job than Flashy.

        APN

  • http://wnd grassroot

    This is what the radical left have planned for our, ” exceptional”
    nation. As OB warned us.

    • eddie47d

      It would certainly behoove us not to “trust the judgement” of some characters including some gun owners. 64% of all gun deaths in USA were from legally obtained weapons. The fear from the radical right is not something to overlook either.

      • Ole Vet.

        You are playing fast and loose with the facts! 64% may well have died from legally owned guns, but how many were in personal self defense, how many stopping thieves from stealing property, how many defending homes from invaders? So, down to the nub……how many from actual murder, felonious assaults, how many with legally owned, but STOLEN guns, etc?

        Now, contrast those with all the murders, assaults, etc from gun-possessors who were NOT legal owners, or had stolen the gun they used? Let’s use ALL the data, not ‘cherry-pick’ what meets YOUR pet criteria! And DON’T bring up the mislabeled ‘assault’ weapons! ALL WEAPONS ARE ASSAULT WEAPONS, depending upon use!

        A finer point, machine weapons, those firing multiple times with ONE trigger pull are WAR weapons, and are NOT legal for citizens. Any firing ONCE per trigger pull are NOT WAR weapons! The AR-15 is NOT a WAR weapon, unless ILLEGALLY modified!

      • APN

        Eddie47d said: It would certainly behoove us not to “trust the judgement” of some characters including some gun owners. 64% of all gun deaths in USA were from legally obtained weapons. The fear from the radical right is not something to overlook either.

        Eddie, let’s use your progressive mindset and make just few word changes to your comments, as follows:

        It would certainly behoove us not to “trust the judgement” of some characters including some PROGRESSIVES. X% of all gun deaths in USA were from legally obtained weapons. The fear from the radical MARXIST PROGRESSIVES is not something to overlook either.

        See how your foolish mentality works Eddie? You didn’t know this about yourself, now did you?

        APN

  • dead eye

    The new gun laws won’t care if your a dem. or a rep. They will come and take them, throw you in a camp and then take your food. I am at the age,, that they will have to take my guns from my cold dead hands. I know one thing, to fight back we need to get it together, tell me how when and where.We have a goverment and obama who are trying to take everything away. Our rights,values,God, traditions, and the pursuite to be happy. My daughters is a teacher. Her 6 grade class balance the budget and swore to protect our rights. Thats pretty bad when 11 and 12 year olds can handle a budget better than grown men and women. At least it’s nice to know obama can’t fool the kids.

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