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Obama’s White Voter Gap

September 27, 2012 by  



 
Hello. I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. Did you see the latest POLITICO poll just out this week? Mitt Romney has a 14-point lead among middle-class voters.

This poll points to a problem rarely ever mentioned in the media. Barack Obama and the Democratic Party have a big problem — as wide as the Grand Canyon. The biased leftist media (which are openly rooting for Obama) constantly trumpet Mitt Romney’s problems with black, Latino and female voters ad nauseam. But what about Obama’s lack of support among white voters? It is historically large, and it is fueling Romney’s big lead among the middle class. See the latest Rasmussen poll that shows Romney with a 20-point lead among white voters: http://newyorklibertyreport.com/?p=14423

Or what about Obama’s problems in the latest POLITICO poll with males (Romney is up 6), white women (Romney is up 9), married voters (Romney is up 14) and older Americans (Romney is up 7). Other polls show big problems for Obama with veteran, religious, middle-class and independent voters. Obama’s gaps with those groups are all as bad as any voter gap that Romney suffers. But the media never happens to mention them. Strange.

It seems like a hundred times a day we hear or see or read media reports about “Romney’s problem” with black voters, Latino voters and female voters — particularly single women. The media love the term “Romney’s female voter gap.”

The media also love to trumpet polls showing Obama has the lead. Funny how they don’t mention that Rasmussen and Gallop, the two polls regarded as the most accurate by many experts, both show a dead even race. Ronald Reagan was way down to Jimmy Carter at this same time in 1980, yet Reagan won by a historic landslide. Some might conclude that Obama is in big trouble.

The media also never mention that all the other polls are skewed heavily toward Democratic voters (based on the 2008 turnout). Because of the “enthusiasm factor” among conservatives, I believe that the turnout in 2012 will look much more like the GOP Congressional landslide of 2010 (led by the Tea Party turnout) than the Obama Presidential victory in 2008.

So in light of all this, where are the articles and commentaries about Obama’s big problems? Doesn’t anyone in the media notice the only white male voters in the country that the Democratic Party can attract nowadays are union members (and no longer all of them) and media employees (they get 100 percent of those). If the purpose of the media is to report “fair and balanced,” why are they ignoring such a big story? You might call it “the elephant in the room.”

So why do the media talk nonstop about Romney’s female and minority gaps but not even mention Obama’s large white, independent, middle-class, married and male gaps? Why do the media seem to report only on the polls that show the worst results for Romney?

While many of these badly Democrat-skewed polls show Obama leading in battleground States, they forget to mention that Romney is either ahead or dead even in several States that Obama won in 2008: North Carolina, Indiana, Iowa and Wisconsin. In deep-blue Connecticut, the GOP is now leading for U.S. Senate. That can’t bode well for Obama. Yet the mainstream media paint a picture of the Romney campaign in panic. This is fraud being perpetrated by the media on the American public.

So let me ask a few simple questions. If Romney, the challenger, is even with a sitting President, shouldn’t the media be probing what’s going wrong for Obama? Shouldn’t they be reporting that the Obama campaign is panicking? It seems that Obama’s the one who now needs hope and change.

Shouldn’t a fair and balanced media be asking: “Why has the Democratic Party become such a pariah with white voters?” Obama got a very large percentage of white voters in 2008, so it’s obviously not racism.

Or: “If Obama won a majority of independents and the middle class in 2008, why has there been such a big turnaround in 2012? Could it be Obama’s policies at fault, and not his skin color?”

And how about this one: “Why do polls show that 99 percent of black voters support Obama?”

This question is important because black unemployment and poverty numbers are the worst in decades under this President. So why would just about 100 percent of black voters support him? No politician in history has ever seen unanimous support from one group before. I think it’s an obvious topic to explore, if the media weren’t scared to death at being called racists for merely asking the question.

One last question: Why has the media chosen to ignore Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke publicly stating a month ago that the unemployment numbers are “grave?” For the Fed, that’s a deeply disturbing word. They never use frightening words in public for fear of exciting or panicking the masses. When they start using strong words like “grave” to describe the state of unemployment, that is a sign that the Fed is in full-scale panic mode.

Shouldn’t the media be tying the Fed Chief’s “grave” economic fears to Obama’s leadership as CEO of the U.S. economy? Shouldn’t the media be questioning loudly if it’s possible to be re-elected with such a poor economic record? They would certainly be doing it with gusto (blaring headlines) if Reagan, Bush or Romney were President.

Funny how the media completely ignore Obama’s big problems with so many crucial voting groups. And his failure with that little thing called the economy. A total media blackout. No one in the mainstream media even thinks to address Obama’s grave problems — especially Obama’s glaring white voter gap. That’s a hot story that’s just waiting to be written.

Media bias to this extent is expected in Russia, Venezuela or Iran. But American voters deserve better.

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you right back here next week. Same time, same place. God Bless.

Wayne Allyn Root

(W.A.R.) is a former Presidential candidate, the 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee, and a Libertarian-conservative national media star. His new book, “The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide” is a #1 national best-seller in bookstores, as well as an Amazon #1 Finance and Conservative bestseller. A former CNBC anchorman and host (then known as Financial News Network), Root is the ultimate Capitalist Evangelist: a blue-collar S.O.B. (son of a butcher) turned CEO, small businessman, serial entrepreneur, business speaker, and TV/radio commentator on the topics of business, economics, entrepreneurship, and politics. Root is a regular guest on Fox News, as well as on hundreds of conservative talk radio shows across the United States. His opinions reach tens of millions of Americans as a regular columnist and commentator for many of the most popular political and business websites, including FoxNews.com. He also writes regularly for The Washington Times. He is the bestselling author of eight books. Root serves as national spokesman for several companies, as well as a Senior Economic Advisor. Root is also well known in the television and media industries. He has hosted, starred and produced many television shows. Today, he is a producer of the highest-rated television show on Travel Channel. Because of his success in the diverse fields of business, media, sports, entertainment and publishing, Root was awarded his own 180-pound granite star in the Las Vegas Walk of Stars. Only 60 legends in the history of Las Vegas have received a star on Las Vegas Boulevard. A native New Yorker and graduate of prestigious Columbia University, this Capitalist Evangelist proudly resides in Nevada, a state with no income tax. His website is ROOTforAmerica.com.

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    THE MEDIA DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THE KENYAN’S “White-Voter Gap,” BECAUSE SOME LIBERAL JOURNALISTS ARE “white,” TOO. BEING A “white man” AND NOT LIKING THE KENYAN MEANS YOU ARE RACIST. WHEN NEGROES SEE A “white man,” THEY DO NOT SEE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN – THEY ONLY SEE SOMEONE WHOM THEY THINK HATES THEM.

    • Alex

      When you SHOUT and SCREAM constantly your ignorance only becomes MORE EVIDENT to your readers.

      • ccfonten

        You got that right. This type of commentary by the libs/dem(wits) is typical. When they have no facts nor actual data to back up their absurd claims, they scream/shout and accuse others of racism/bigotry/etc.
        Pretty stupid I would say.

      • Karolyn

        Alex – You’v'e been around long enough to know that Chris will never not use caplock.

        cc – You obviously don’t know Chris and his politics and the fact that he is black. Before judging what somebody is, you need to know something about him.

      • old goats

        What can one say? Shrieks learned to out scream everyone else while in diapers – a very good argument for very later term abortion – throw back the throw backs…

        Really, AG Holder used his office to pull off the black farmer reparations BS… where in all one needed was black skin to get $50K for being denied farm loans, wherein being a farmer wasn’t necessary… all paid for in the $16 trillion laid on the backs of people who work – people of all colors.

        Now, the same bastards are hatching a “Hispanic” reparation scheme – to add to the $16 trillion debt. Buying dead beat votes again by skin color.

        No whites! White have many more poor folks who couldn’t get loans… because they were poor, couldn’t repay, & were bad credit risks… same as the black who got $#50K free. It works out that every non white gets free money, whitie get nothing, and whites are stuck with the trillions of redistribution to non whites. And soon, everyone hates everyone else, we start fighting, and good old fearless leader comes top down to squash what little of freedom is left.

        Do we know what sedition & treason is? OK to sabotage, overthrow, & loot government?? Priority – dump Obama, Reed, & Pelousy, jail the czars, & purge the “regulators”.

      • JUKEBOX

        I reiterate what I have said before: Obama is the racist, and anyone who calls this mulatto “BLACK” is also racist. You people are using a criteria for a Negro that pre-dates the civil war, where anyone who is 1/8 Negro is to be considered Negro, despite how white they may be.

      • 45caliber

        Juke:

        I’m not sure if you are aware of this or not but you can be 1/64th black and still be considered a black in the US. In fact, a woman in Chicago and another in LA in the last ten years have sued the government because their sons were even less black but the government still insisted they were black. (Now the boys are “multi-racial”.) It is only the other races who are not considered minories when they are less than 1/4 of that race. American Indians, even if 100% Indian, are not considered Indians unless they belong to some tribe.

        • Liberty Lover

          Hey, you can be zero percent American Indian and qualify for a minority post at Harvard!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn,”

        AS ALWAYS, MA’AM, THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT. YOU ARE VERY KIND.

      • moonbeam

        Absolutely agree, Alex. I find it strange that he uses all caps but for a few words. His use of the word “negroes” makes me want to spit sparks.

        Karolyn – there is such a thing as “netiquette”. The use of all caps like that is called SCREAMING and his backward use of the word negro is MOST INFURIATING. By the way, Karolyn, how do you know he is black for a fact? He said so? Been to his house? Because he appears ignorant and backward you automatically think he is black? Your ass is showing. Anybody can say and be whatever they want while hiding behind a computer screen. How do you know he’s not a 30-something white woman masquerading as an IGnorant old black man?

        I see his comments as provocative, particularly while he uses all caps for everything else, “white man” is in small case letters. Your comment “You’v’e been around long enough to know that Chris will never not use caplock” is a bit odd as well because as we can see, he definitely knows how to shut the caps off. Why is that? I smell a rat.

        BTW I am black. We don’t ordinarily use the term “negro” in conversation and I never hear this term when interacting with elder African Americans. So, you may have been duped.

        As for Wayne’s article, I am glad he wrote it and was a great read for me. I see all these polls saying that BO is ahead and I just can’t see how this can be. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever that people black, white or indifferent would support our current situation and the mofu perpetrating it. I am very disappointed in the fact that so many blacks support him simply because he is black. They have done no research at all with the evidence against and questions surrounding this devil.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “old goat,”

        THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTARY.

        ABOUT A MONTH AGO, I TOLD ALL OF YOU CAUCASIANS WERE GOING TO LET THE KENYAN HAVE HIS EIGHT YEARS SO NEGROES WOULD “SHUT-UP” ABOUT CAUCASIANS’ HATRED OF THEM.

        SO, “old goat,” IT IS “IN-STEP” THAT THE CAUCASIAN- United States Department of Agriculture HAS ISSUED – AND, IS STILL ISSUING – $50,000 CHECKS TO “FAKE ‘black’ farmers.” I KNOW SEVERAL NEGROES [IN MEMPHIS AND RURAL MISSISSIPPI] WHO DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO FILE A CLAIM, BUT, THEY STILL RECEIVED A $50,000 CHECK. SOME NEGROES HAVE RECEIVED TWO CHECKS [$100,000 TOTAL] – ONE FOR THEMSELVES AND ONE ON BEHALF OF THEIR EXTREMELY OLD- OR, DECEASED PARENTS.

        Department of Agriculture IS ISSUING THOSE CHECKS OUT OF GUILT ABOUT THE SHARECROPPING SYSTEM DURING “Jim Crow;” MANY NEGROES DID NOT STOP PICKING COTTON UNTIL THE LATE 1960s/EARLY 1970s. I – PERSONALLY – KNOW SOME NEGROES IN RURAL MISSISSIPPI WHO LIVED “on a white man’s place,” AS LATE AS, CIRCA 1973.

      • Old Henry

        45, doesn’t that go back to the days of slavery, or just after the war so that anyone with “black blood” would be considered as a Negro and could be put in the same “class”?

      • http://comcast.com The Fisherman

        Reply for Jukebox: look hard at your self,you may be a redneck peckerwood at hand

      • JC

        Alex says:
        September 27, 2012 at 7:21 am
        When you SHOUT and SCREAM constantly your ignorance only becomes MORE EVIDENT to your readers.
        __________________________________________________________________

        Being a caring and sensitive liberal and all….
        Has it occurred to you that people who need to do that might be visually impaired?

      • Robert Smith

        LL says: “Hey, you can be zero percent American Indian and qualify for a minority post at Harvard!”

        That’s an outright lie.

        “Linsky said, “She had all the qualification that someone in that role would need, and they choose from a gazillion candidates.”

        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/07/cherokee-heritage-debate-snares-mass-senate-hopeful-elizabeth-warren.html

        Rob

    • http://yahoo.com hangman

      And by behaving as such, thet are making that happen. It’s not the color, it is the behavioir.

    • Baloney Toney Mahoney

      The Mahoney Man says: The bottom line is that he got elected, but for many of the wrong reasons, like how great it would appear to the world if America had a black president, (never mind if he was qualified) & one big reason why he got elected is that McCain did not listen to Palin & bring up his troublesome associations, probably because he did not want to appear racist & that BS/PC dynamic is still in play as many pols are afraid to criticize him because they are afraid of being called racist…this has got to end!!! The most incredible thing to me to this day is that he not only got the DEM party nomination , but got elected president after sitting for over 20 years shouting AMEN to the Wrong Rev. Wright’s vitriolic hate-filled rants….NEVER HAPPEN WITH A WHITE GUY…this reverse racism or ignorance of any racist behavior by blacks & other minorities is such an entrenched poison in our Republic…it’s disgusting & has got to end!!!!

      • Sheryn

        Keep all the lies coming, Make yourselves look as stupid as you are. We just are not buying it. We are laughing at all you fools who think Romney is the man !!!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong answer sheryn. The fools are the ones that want Obama bin Laden re-elected. Our country cannot take another 4 years of this pretender in office. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Cark Deal

        I think your remarks are valid. We need to forget about race for awhile and try to consider a candidates qualifications and past history. If we had done that in 2008, we would not have elected Obama. McCain was a great war hero but a weak candidate trying to be “Mr. Nice”. Racism is certainly not a prejudice held only by whites. Blacks voting 95% for an unqualified Obama is evidence of that. All sides need to give up racism and try to vote for the most qualified candidate.

    • Randy G

      Isn’t it funny? The Biggest HATER is in their mirror.

  • KG

    How does a White guy say F_U?

    Trust Me.

    Mr. Root likes blowing elephants. They are big, and they are nasty. I guess when he left his clan meeting last night, he thought of what he wanted to write about. Do any of you “constitutionalists” remember something from 1676? It was called ‘Bacon’s Rebellion.”

    Mr. Bacon came to the English colonies and wanted to make lots of $. But the established elites in America at that time were trying to keep all of the wealth to themselves. So Bacon rounded a Rag-tag group of rebels consisting of all the “lower class” citizens of colonial America. He had Black slaves, poor white farmers, and some pizzed-off colonial citizens. Well, they burned down Jamestown.

    But that’s not the sad part. What the elites did was enact legislation that severely prohibited blacks from participating in political activities. They drew a line along racial lines and justified it by using the Bible. They were “the beasts of the field.” And so, the long history of American racism started.

    However, Mr. Obama has given America the opportunity to redeem itself from this “terrible sin” that both Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were aware of. Polls are a “snapshot” of time. And they are used primarily to carry along voters who would otherwise lose interest. So, the “polls” are really for entertainment and to suppress voters who don’t like voting for a loser.

    • Bendecido

      I am referring to the last paragraph of you comment: “However, Mr. Obama has given America the opportunity to redeem itself from this “terrible sin” that both Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were aware of. Polls are a “snapshot” of time. And they are used primarily to carry along voters who would otherwise lose interest. So, the “polls” are really for entertainment and to suppress voters who don’t like voting for a loser.”
      I do not think Obama has given America the opportunity, on the contrary, America has given Obama the opportunity and he blew it. Color has nothing to do with this, but his lack of experience, action and positive results in his decisions has a lot to do with it.

      • KG

        What if we let America crash and burn in 2008? Remember all of the Republicans were saying “let it go.” Do you really think that if we did that things would be better now? I guess you were one of those, like Rush Limbergercheese, who said off the bat “Bbama must fail.” Even if it cost us our country?

        You guys all “claim” to be “patriots.” But what you really want to do is to shoot some starving Americans. Now THATS Patriotic!!!

      • Butch

        Yr wasting yr time trying to reason w/ KG, hes easily the most bigoted fool on this board. NOTHING the Fraud-in-Chief will ever do will wake KG up. Hes so stupid he STILL blames everything on a man who’s been out of office for FOUR YEARS! And I say that as someone who absolutely despises Bush Jr. and the fake “Left vs Right” paradigm.

    • Vigilant

      From Wikipedia:

      “Bacon’s Rebellion was an uprising in 1676 in the Virginia Colony in North America, led by a 29-year-old planter, Nathaniel Bacon.

      “About a thousand Virginians rose (including former indentured servants, poor whites and poor blacks) because they resented Virginia Governor William Berkeley’s friendly policies towards the Native Americans when Berkeley refused to retaliate for a series of Indian attacks on frontier settlements, others took matters into their own hands, attacking Native Americans, chasing Berkeley from Jamestown, Virginia, and torching the capital.

      “It was the first rebellion in the American colonies in which discontented frontiersmen took part; a similar uprising in Maryland occurred later that year. A protest against raids on the frontier; some historians also consider it a power play by Bacon against Berkeley, and his policies of favoring his own court. Bacon’s backers included men of wealth from outside Berkeley’s court. The alliance between former indentured servants and Africans disturbed the ruling class, who responded by hardening the racial caste of slavery. While the farmers did not succeed in their goal of driving Native Americans from Virginia, the rebellion did result in Berkeley being recalled to England.”

      I’d say you’ve been reading too much of Howard Zinn’s communist history of the US. Your jaundiced communist eye fails to note the slaughter of the Indians. And what part of “Bacon’s backers included men of wealth from outside Berkeley’s court” do you not understand?

      • KG

        Have you changed the batteries in your radometer thats in your bombshelter? I guess you didn’t know Eisenhauer isin’t president anymore. ;)
        You know, saying that we are all together in this DOSN’T make me a “communist.” I’m just recognizing that to participate in our society, I have to aknowlege that I have a responsibility to my fellow citizen. But, I guess you are one of those who are itching to kill some starving americans?

      • momo

        Another penetrating insight from KG—not!

      • Vigilant

        “You know, saying that we are all together in this DOESN’T (sic) make me a “communist.”

        That alone does not. Your claim that the Constitution has communism in it because of the terms “We the People” and “general welfare” clearly shows where your sympathies lie.

        One sure sign of a communist is incessant iteration of communist philosophy and then denial that they are a communist when called on such. I didn’t make you a communist, KG, your statements have branded you.

      • Vigilant

        momo, you’re 100% correct.

        KG feels no compulsion to address the FACTS of the bit of history with which I challenged him. The leftist tactic, as always, is to attack personally. Saul Alinsky would be proud.

        For example, KG’s unbelievable comment, “But, I guess you are one of those who are itching to kill some starving americans (sic)?”

        KG, you’ll have to help me with that. What specific portion of my comment led you to that conclusion?

      • Flashy

        vig…i’d say personal insults and attacks are more from the TP contingent than from any other. Do a count….

      • KG

        If you are “conservative”, then I can almost bet that you think America is going into the toilet. Most people who feel this way are doing something called “prepping.” The are preparing for the ‘inevitable” fall of America.

        I watch the prepper show on – Discovery or learning channel?- and I realized what the bulk of these people fantasize about – killing someone trying to get their food. So, who would be trying to get food other than other starving Americans?

        If that situation happens, I’m gona make some big pots of stew and try to feed my fellow Americans until we get through this. But, that’s probable impossible for you. Because you believe that YOU are the most important person in the world. Most Republicans, and ALL libertarians believe that. Selfishness is a VIRTUE in your world. Thank you , Ayn Rand, for making conservative Americans the most selfish and self-centered individuals in the world.

        “At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality.”

        Che Guevera

      • JeffH

        Falsy says, “vig…i’d say personal insults and attacks are more from the TP contingent than from any other.”

        That comment is just more hot air from the discredible Falsy. You are a liar Falsy.

      • GlobalHubris

        I think it’s somewhat appropo that KG finishes off by citing a Marxist while saying he’s not a communist.

      • Flashy

        JeffH…didn’t count the number who posted today did you … jeesh.

      • JeffH

        Falsy, I don’t have to waste my time with your mis-directions and lies. Why don’t you point out just who the TP contingent is around here…oh that’s right, it’s anyone that isn’t a bile spewing Marxist/communist/fascist/progressive like yourself.

        Geeesh!

      • KG

        Did you actually read the quote? Or as soon as you say “Che” you tuned in your inner “Joe McCarthy”? I think what he says is a reflection of any revolutionary – communist or capitalist. Without “love” does ANY of this make it worth the effort?

    • DaveH

      As usual the Liberal Progressive must resort to personal attacks.
      KG,
      Granted that Leaders have used Blacks and Whites to further their Political Power throughout History. But how does Obama change that equation? He doesn’t. He, like most of the rest of them, is using racism to further his Political Power, and the result is that the rest of us become divided and unhappy.
      Blacks and Whites would likely have gotten over their prejudices over a hundred years ago if the dictator Lincoln and his Republican Party hadn’t used their victory over Southern self-determination to disenfranchise the “rebels” and use the manipulated black votes to force their way on the Southerners, thus creating resentment among the white Southerners. The other slave owning nations around the world ended slavery by buying the slaves from their “owners” and setting them Free peacefully. Lincoln didn’t because Freedom for the Slaves was just a war-measure excuse, his real intent being Forcing the Confederacy to be part of the Union. In fact, throughout Lincoln’s life, he fought to ship the blacks off to other countries (Colonization):
      http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo211.html

      • http://AOL.com Ellen

        NONSENSE.

      • KG

        Do you wash your white robes before you burn the crosses or after? Ummm, you guys LOST. Lincolon was in his right to do what he did.

        I think is funny how the Religious Right Republican Nazis have “swiftboated” Abraham Lincolon!! How do you guys sleep at night?

        Next thing, people will start saying Ed Meese was innocent.

      • JC

        Exactly right DaveH.
        KG’s ridiculous attempt to once again play that tired old race card demonstrates quite clearly that he has a zero grasp of political history. But the race card…well that’s all he’s got…

      • Flashy

        Interesting and humorous trying to follow the ongoing revisionist history of Lincoln the TP and extremist libertarians are trying these days.

        C’mon DaveH. THINK fer chrissakes..for once maybe?

        Lincoln took the stance that the Union was created by the People, and that it could be dissolved only by the People, not a part of the People. the Constitution clearly spells the ways to amend it. The states agreed to the terms when they joined the Union. The South decided they wouldn’t bother with amending it…or even making the attempt. Lincoln didn’t recognize the dissolution. Read his first Inaugural Address.

        The South began the hostilities and fired the first shots.

        Lincoln always took the theme that the Civil War was not about slavery, it was preserving the Union. The South took the stance that slavery and hyped “states rights” as the reason for the rebellion. Lincoln freed only the slaves in territories in rebellion. The Constitution was amended, properly, after the Civil War to banish slavery from our shores.

      • http://yahoo gator

        actually lincoln was a racist. he stated on more than one occasion “the people of color should be kept seperate from the white’s, and they should not be intermarried”.
        lincoln was also taxing the south to the ‘extreme’ and using the tax dollars to vastly improve the northern states, as with the MERRIL TAX.
        yes, lincoln was a great statesman (who didn’t rely on a teleprompter), but he WAS A RACIST, and HE BASICALLY STARTED A WAR THAT CAUSED THE DEATH OF THOUSANDS, WHEN HE COULD HAVE FOUND A BETTER WAY!
        oh, he was also a REPUBLICAN.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “C’mon DaveH. THINK fer chrissakes..for once maybe?”.
        Sorry, Flashman, I out-think you every time. That’s why you must resort to ridicule, name-calling, and other adolescent manipulative devices.

        Flashman says — “Lincoln took the stance that the Union was created by the People, and that it could be dissolved only by the People, not a part of the People”.
        Actually, the Constitution was created by the States, and gave limited Power to the Federal Government, which Lincoln and those like him abused greatly. With Flashman’s kind of non-logic, a married couple could never be divorced without the consent of both partners. And a member of an Association could never leave that Association. Sounds like Mafia, doesn’t it?
        The Constitution had no such rules to preclude individual states from leaving the Union. Only in the minds of those who would take advantage of you (such as Flashman) do any such rules exist.

        Flashman says — “The South began the hostilities and fired the first shots”.
        Actually, Lincoln made great efforts to lure the South into firing the first shot so he could launch his Unconstitutional War of Aggression Against the South. And nobody was killed except one person in Fort Sumter who was killed when a cannon accidentally exploded.
        For some truth (something you can’t expect from Flashman) read this:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • DaveH
      • Flashy

        DaveH…i repeat my first sentence “Interesting and humorous trying to follow the ongoing revisionist history of Lincoln the TP and extremist libertarians are trying these days.”

        You may continue to refer to Mises…I’ll refer to reality

      • Vigilant

        DaveH, you need to read some Civil War history outside of DiLorenzo’s neoconfederate screeds.

        “Blacks and Whites would likely have gotten over their prejudices over a hundred years ago if the dictator Lincoln and his Republican Party hadn’t used their victory over Southern self-determination to disenfranchise the “rebels” and use the manipulated black votes to force their way on the Southerners, thus creating resentment among the white Southerners.”

        The Neoconfederate claim that Lincoln was a dictator is most often associated with his unconstitutional suspension of Habeas Corpus. Scholarship indicates that he was aware of its unconstitutionality, and that it was instituted at the very beginning of the war because Washington was smack dab in the middle of hostile territory, between Maryland and Virginia.

        It was indeed a measure of desperation, as Lincoln foresaw the overrunning and destruction of the seat of government. When things had stabilized a bit, Congress authorized the use of such suspensions, fully within its Constitutional authority under Article I. No case regarding this suspension ever reached the Supreme Court for consideration.

        Jefferson Davis was also guilty of suspending Habeas Corpus, a fact you won’t find in the lexicon of neoconfederate writings.

        • Smilee

          Vigilant. Article !, Section 9, second paragraph reads as follows:

          “The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it”

          It does not say whom can do it but the commander and chief when we are engaged in war clearly can do so. It can be taken through the courts but that is not required either and in this case it was not nor did congress vote on it before it was suspended which is not required either. This clearly is constitutional to do and for you to say otherwise is shows you either do not believe in the Constitution or do not understand it or what iit is for.

      • Vigilant

        FACT: Lincoln had nothing to do with the disenfranchisement of the rebels. Not only was he dead when the radical Republicans imposed their Draconian proscriptions on the South, it was Andrew Johnson’s attempts to carry through Lincoln’s policy of leniency that got him in trouble with the Congress.

        Lincoln’s second inaugural address made clear that he wanted to heal the wounds (“With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan–to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves, and with all nations”).

        Things would have been VERY different if the Congress had heeded Lincoln’s words and discharged the postwar reconstruction with justice and compassion.

      • Vigilant

        “The other slave owning nations around the world ended slavery by buying the slaves from their “owners” and setting them Free peacefully.”

        And how would that be accomplished? Where are the Libertarian and Constitutionalist sentiments regarding the redistribution of wealth via taxing the populace to accomplish such an end? Where in the Constitution does it authorize such an act (a similar act, BTW, cost Britain 40% of the government’s total annual expenditure)?

        Moreover, the South depended upon King Cotton for their livelihood. The secession ordinances and the CSA constitution made it clear that not only did they want to perpetuate slavery, they wanted it to be extended into the new territories as well.

      • Vigilant

        “Lincoln didn’t because Freedom for the Slaves was just a war-measure excuse, his real intent being Forcing the Confederacy to be part of the Union.”

        FACT: the Emancipation Proclamation was indeed a war measure, freeing only those slaves in states that were in rebellion.

        FACT: Lincoln’s later endorsement of the 13th Amendment clearly removed the freeing of the slaves from any consideration as purely a war measure. Unlike the EP, the 13th Amendment freed the slaves in ALL states.

      • Vigilant

        “In fact, throughout Lincoln’s life, he fought to ship the blacks off to other countries (Colonization).”

        Incorrect. In point of fact, Lincoln did advocate resettlement of blacks in other countries, as did many (including the earlier Founders), up until the end of the war. However, in his very last public speech before his death, he became an advocate for black suffrage. It was that part of the speech that infuriated John Wilkes Booth, and we all know the rest of the story.

      • Smilee

        Dave H says:

        Flashman says — “Lincoln took the stance that the Union was created by the People, and that it could be dissolved only by the People, not a part of the People”. Actually, the Constitution was created by the States, and gave limited Power to the Federal Government, which Lincoln and those like him abused greatly.Constitution had no such rules to preclude individual states from leaving the Union. Only in the minds of those who would take advantage of you (such as Flashman) do any such rules exist.

        My Response:

        The Constitution was created by the states and by doing so they created the United States, a country, and in doing so gave powers to it which previously had been solely their powers and when amendment ten was written the limits and powers defined in it where made primary for the United States and the states secondary and only if it was not the power of the United States. And by doing so limited their own powers as opposed to what they previously had Read Amendment X which reads as follows: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States. Are reserved to the States respectfully, or to the people.” Read Article IV section three which describes in paragraph one how a state can become a part of the United States and in paragraph two the powers congress then has over it. I know you would like it to have been the way you describe it but the Constitution does not give you either the power or the right to do so. And lying about it will not change that. And the civil war was fought and ended by preserving and upholding the constitution thus enforcing it. To be able to withdraw legally the state would have to have the blessing of the congress and as history taught us the states whom violated the constitution by succeeding found out the hard way they could not get by with it by defying the constitution and Lincoln who was the master mind in this enforcement and has, except for the die hard confederate minded, been greatly admired in both political parties today and they often quote him and draw on his wisdom. Sorry davie but no amount of whining by you will change this one iota

      • TexasRide

        Lincoln should have gone down in History as a treasonous traitor to our country and the Constitution!
        He should never have been honored for the despicable war he perpetrated on our country and the killing of hundreds of thousands of Americans! This war was not about slavery or making blacks free. Lincoln didn’t even want blacks in this country. it was to prove to the Southern States that he could deny them their right to leave the Union! The South was a prosperous part of the country and Lincoln did not want to lose the commerce.,.The North looked enviously at the prosperity of the South and wished for its demise.

      • DaveH

        Vigilant says — “The Neoconfederate claim that Lincoln was a dictator is most often associated with his unconstitutional suspension of Habeas Corpus”.
        Oh? So throwing ten thousand people in jail for the crime of speaking out against Lincoln’s policies doesn’t qualify? Causing the Death of over 600,000 people to Force the Southern States to be part of a Constitution-Trampling Union, that they didn’t want to be part of, doesn’t qualify? Your definition of Dictator and mine are obviously different, Vigilant.
        And here’s a Black Historian who tells it like it is:
        http://www.amazon.com/Forced-into-Glory-Abraham-Lincolns/dp/0874850851/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348775910&sr=8-1&keywords=lerone+bennett+forced+into+glory

      • DaveH

        Smilee says — “And lying about it will not change that”.
        Then quit your lying, Smilee. There is nowhere in the Constitution that says once a state joins it can never leave. Remind me not to join any organization which you creepy people have created.
        For those who aren’t familiar with the Constitution:
        https://www.cato.org/constitution/constitution_en.html

        • Smilee

          DAVEH You should read what you refer me to, I’m not lying and if you understood the Constitution you would know that. Its been 150 years now it is time that you put it to rest and accept that what you want us to believe is not true. Your beliefs were put to death in the surrender by Lee and no longer exist.

          “The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States” When a state joins the United States it then becomes a part of the United States and nothing in the Constitution provides for it to be separate from it or have the status of beings a separate entity and the Constitution by the tenth amendment makes laws enacted by Congress under the powers given it by the Constitution supersede those of the state and thus trump state laws. Aside from that they lost the power to contradict that when they lost the war and surrendered.

          Section. 3. New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

          The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

          Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

          Tenth Amendment. “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

      • DaveH

        Secession is in our Future:
        http://mises.org/daily/3427

      • Vigilant

        DaveH says, ““The Neoconfederate claim that Lincoln was a dictator is most often associated with his unconstitutional suspension of Habeas Corpus”.

        “Oh? So throwing ten thousand people in jail for the crime of speaking out against Lincoln’s policies doesn’t qualify?”

        No, read it again. I admitted it was unconstitutional. Why do you argue with me when I’ve not contradicted you?

        Congress legitimized Lincoln’s actions the following year. It was never brought before the SCOTUS for adjudication. And Jefferson Davis suspended Habeas Corpus as well.

        What’s so hard to understand about all that?

      • Flashy

        “There is nowhere in the Constitution that says once a state joins it can never leave. Remind me not to join any organization which you creepy people have created.” <— DaveH

        remind me never to enter a contract with you. Parties enter a contract. There is no provision for how to get out of the contract. BY LAW, if all parties agree, it may be nullified or terminated. Otherwise, the breaching (leaving) parties have to pay reparations or if the innocent parties so desire, a court may order the leaving parties to remain and hold to their bargain.

        According to you DaveH…anyone who has a contract can just walk away with no damages or fear of having to hold to their word. In your world, contracts wouldn't exist…

      • DaveH

        Vigilant says — “Jefferson Davis was also guilty of suspending Habeas Corpus, a fact you won’t find in the lexicon of neoconfederate writings”.
        Sorry, Vig, but in my book two wrongs don’t make a right. You’re arguing like a Liberal.

      • DaveH

        Vigilant says — “DaveH, you need to read some Civil War history outside of DiLorenzo’s neoconfederate screeds”.
        DaveH says — “Vigilant, you need to read some Civil War history outside of that written by Court Historians who are making the case for Big Government”.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “remind me never to enter a contract with you. Parties enter a contract. There is no provision for how to get out of the contract. BY LAW, if all parties agree, it may be nullified or terminated. Otherwise, the breaching (leaving) parties have to pay reparations or if the innocent parties so desire, a court may order the leaving parties to remain and hold to their bargain”.
        Flashman’s usual equivocation. The problem is that the States’ Representatives do not have the Power to obligate future State Legislatures. Contracts are only binding to those who sign them. I sure would not enter into any kind of contract with you, Flashman, no matter how fool proof because you are not a man of your word in any stretch of your imagination.
        Of course creepy Liberal Progressives would like to do away with any human rights and have their way with us. Keep that in mind, Folks, if you Hope and Dream that they will treat you fairly, because they won’t.

      • Vigilant

        Smilee, regarding ths suspension of Habeas Corpus, you said “This clearly is constitutional to do and for you to say otherwise is shows you either do not believe in the Constitution or do not understand it or what it is for.”

        Only the first six words are correct in that statement. The point in contention is not that the Constitution prohibits it, but who is authorized to do it.

        As you said, it’s found in Article I. Therefore, Congress has the legal authority to do it but the president doesn’t. Lincoln was aware of this, and Roger Taney was aware of it when he ruled against Lincoln.

        Although Taney was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, he was not acting as such when he made the ruling (he was acting in a Maryland court).

        Congress a year later ruled that Lincoln’s actions had the blessing of Congress during the period of hostilities, in effect exonerating Lincoln for his unconstitutional move, although realizing that this move was probably necessary to keep DC from being overtaken.

        • Gea

          Martin Luther King is turning in his grave about what had become of his dream! We have reversed his desire: to judge the person by the strength of his character and not by the color of his skin. With affirmative action going wild, we are now having incompetent people with more pigment shouting “racism” when anyone follows meritocracy, which made US great.

          We have replaced strength of the character, with awarding women who have babies from one-night stands with support for their unwanted brood (45% of white and 75% of black babies born out of wedlock to multiple boyfriends). Then when Romney tells the truth about those moochers who live on the backs of working Americans, he gets yelled on by those sluggards and their brood, whom they leave neglected and to boyfriends who kill them. IN my county of 800,000 people, tere were 3 little kids murdered this way and there are 2,500 children in foster care taken from their incompetent and irresponsible parents.

          Yet, with all this welfare, the poverty is on the rise and nobody screams that unless we return to meritocracy and teach responsibility of all individuals for their own problems (Unless thy are truly disabled). When late Geraldine Reffaro rightly pointed lout that Obama would never advance so fast in his political carreer based on his merrit, she was chastised by politically correct academic who make money studying social issues.

          Obama is a clear danger to US and Western civilization because he is a true believer in Marxism and Islam, both ideologies which history had proven to lead to destruction of good society, economic welbeing and to tyranny. Barak Hussein should be impeached for his role in the murder of US Ambassador in Libya and for his giving money and cavorting with Muslim Brotherhood which stated long range goal is to infiltrate America and destroy Western civilization from within. They had successfully invaded Oval Office and are subverting US Constitution with their BIG Muslim Brother, Barak Hussein Satoro Obama. I expect that bleeding hearts politically correct on this board will accuse me for bigotry.

          Yes, there is a black bigotry and racism in this country and ignorant endorsing Islam, a supremacist ideology similar to supremacist Nazi ideology, which does not belong to ANY country that respects liberty and human rights. Islam and sharia are incompatible with US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and must REFORM or ship out! Read Koran and Hadith (on line) to see for yourself. Study history of Mohamed who was a pedophile, rapist, polygamist and murderer that in any sane society would be tried as a criminal he was an not adored by 1.4 billions Muslims as their role model. With such a role model, it is not surprising what took place all over the world when somebody told the truth about this vile man whom the Muslims claim as their prophet of their “most perfect and peaceful” religion.

          The guy who made a movie that told the truth about Mohamed was arrested in California! Where is respect for the First Amazement in USA?! Had Obama already secretly started his dictatorship and tyranny?

        • Smilee

          Davie, It does not specify whom has the authority to suspend it, just that authority does exist and the commander and chief is not prevented from doing it as GWB did for some but the court overturned him

      • Vigilant

        DaveH says, “Vigilant, you need to read some Civil War history outside of that written by Court Historians who are making the case for Big Government.”

        Dave, it becomes more and more difficult for you to accuse me of being a “Lincoln cultist.” I have posted many times that I stipulate the following about Lincoln: that he was indeed a racist, as were probably 90+% of the American population at the time. That the Emancipation Proclamation was a war tactic and not a slave-freeing gesture. That he acted unconstitutionally in suspending habeas corpus. And that the US did not go to war to abolish slavery.

        In the wake of all these admissions, you seem to hold tenaciously to the proposition that one is a worshipper of Lincoln if one doesn’t buy off on DiLorenzo’s contentions 100%. That’s the blindness of the true believer.

        As for making a case for big government, that’s beyond ridiculous. You know full well what my philosophy rejects encroachment of the Feds (and states) into our private lives beyond anything numerated in the Constitution.

        One does not have to be a progressive to seek the truth about one of our greatest presidents, one need only be a worshipper of truth.

      • Vigilant

        Smilee says, “Davie, It does not specify whom has the authority to suspend it, just that authority does exist and the commander and chief is not prevented from doing it as GWB did for some but the court overturned him.”

        Smilee, DaveH is correct in this instance. The consideration of suspension of habeas corpus is in Article I of the Constitution. Article I deals exclusively with the powers of Congress. Article II addresses the responsibilities of the president, and no mention of such a power exists there.

        • Smilee

          Vigilant

          I disagree for the following reasons: Your reading into it what is not there.

          Article one section 8 list enumerates the powers of the congress and the last paragraph reads as follows:

          “To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, (powers solely given to congress) and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government (government but not exclusively congress) of the United States, or in any (any, not solely congress) Department or Officer thereof.” (The Presidential office is an office of the government)

          Section 9 does not designate these powers except to the government if it was just congress it would have been in section 8 and it is not. Article one deals with a variety of things not just the powers of congress.

          ;

      • TexasRide

        TEXAS never gave up its right to secession, and it may be in our near future!

      • Vigilant

        Smilee,

        From Wikipedia:

        “The Merryman decision is still among the best-known Civil War-era court cases and it is one of Taney’s most famous opinions, alongside the Dred Scott case. Its legal argument holding that Congress alone may suspend the writ is noted for reiterating the opinion of John Marshall and the court in Ex parte Bollman and was recently restated by the Supreme Court in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld.”

      • Vigilant

        From DaveH:

        “Vigilant says — “Jefferson Davis was also guilty of suspending Habeas Corpus, a fact you won’t find in the lexicon of neoconfederate writings”.
        Sorry, Vig, but in my book two wrongs don’t make a right. You’re arguing like a Liberal.”

        Who’s arguing thus? Surely, not I. You’re likely to spend the rest of your life trying to find a quote from me where I said that the illegal suspension of habeas corpus by Lincoln was justified by anything Jefferson Davis did. I haven’t said it, and your straw man argument indicates that YOU are arguing like a liberal.

        The insertion of that little known factoid about Jefferson Davis was to show that the neoconfederates like DiLorenzo are as dishonest as the day is long when it comes to presenting a balanced view of history. To say that they are one-sided in their views is the kindest thing you can say about them.

      • Smilee

        VIG

        The Merryman decision was written by Taney the same idiot whom wrote the Dred Scott opinion which he is much more famous for. Taney was an avowed enemy of Lincoln and a southern sympathize and his opinion then by most was considered more political than legal. The decision made no order to correct the matter only an opinion. Lincoln ignored the opinion and Congress passed a law that gave him the full power to execute the war and to withdraw Habeas Corpus at will. This decision has never been viewed as settling Habeas Corpus which was first suspended by then General Andrew Jackson in 1812 during that war and no one questioned it then, In the Hamdi v. Rumsfeld decision read the following info The Government maintains that no explicit congressional authorization is required, because the Executive possesses plenary authority to detain pursuant to Article II of the Constitution. We do not reach the question whether Article II provides such authority, however, because we agree with the Government’s alternative position, that Congress has in fact authorized Hamdi’s detention. This recent decision make clear the court at this late date has issued no opinion rendering it as settled law but GWB used it a number of times effectively and some were overturned by the court Your post in my opinion is not accurate, just something you wish was true,

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “gator,”

        THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTARY!

        REPUBLICANS MAKE A BIG MISTAKE WHEN THEY TELL NEGROES THE “GOP” IS THE “Party of Lincoln.” Lincoln WAS NO FRIEND OF NEGROES.

      • Vigilant

        Smilee says, “In the Hamdi v. Rumsfeld decision read the following info The Government maintains that no explicit congressional authorization is required, because the Executive possesses plenary authority to detain pursuant to Article II of the Constitution. We do not reach the question whether Article II provides such authority, however, because we agree with the Government’s alternative position, that Congress has in fact authorized Hamdi’s detention.”

        Nice try, Smilee, but no cigar. You have quoted the government’s argument, not the final SCOTUS decision.

        In the FINAL decision, “eight of the nine justices of the Court agreed that the Executive Branch does not have the power to hold indefinitely a U.S. citizen without basic due process protections enforceable through judicial review.” (Wikipedia)

        Now what part of that do you not understand? It cannot be clearer: Article II of the Constitution DOES NOT give the power to suspend habeas corpus to the president. Period. End of argument.

        Justice Clarence Thomas was the lone dessenter. Has he become your darling?

        • Smilee

          Vig

          I agree with your reading of the opinion, however, you are wrong in that opinion they did not decide whom has the authority weather Article One, Section 9 or Article Two, but did decide in that case no one had the authority to deny this to that man and that was my point not the whole opinion itself but what it did not do is determining whom has the authority, the Article II was the governments argument, not mine, and the court neither agreed or disagreed with it as they did agree with the government that congress had voted their approval and kicked the can down the road on whom has the authority thus saying this is not settled. This opinion simply did not address that issue in this case. As far as Thomas goes if it was up to me he would be the first I kick off this bench, he is a disgrace which just goes to show that you make conclusions on assumptions not facts and I suspect that leads to your wrong conclusions sometimes.

      • Vigilant

        Smille says, “The Merryman decision was written by Taney the same idiot whom [sic] wrote the Dred Scott opinion which he is much more famous for.”

        The Merryman decision, first of all, was NOT a SCOTUS decision. It was a decision where Taney acted as a district judge in a Maryland court.

        Notwithstanding the failure of the SCOTUS to rule on the case (since it was never presented to the SCOTUS), subsequent SCOTUS decisions have CLEARLY confirmed that the president has no right to suspend habeas corpus. I’ve provided the most recent decision above.

        The SCOTUS decision in Dred Scott vs. Sandford was a majority opinion of 7 of the 9 justices.

        Taney did NOT go wrong in deciding against Dred Scott, as it was clear from the Constitution itself that slaves were not citizens (the 14th Amendment would later change that), and the whole case revolved around Scott’s right to bring a legal matter before the courts as a citizen.

        Refer to Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution:

        “No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, But shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.”

        Much as we agree that the institution of slavery was an abominable practice, by today’s standards, the SCOTUS is not in business to violate the Constitution through activist legislation from the bench. Taney HAD NO CHOICE in upholding Article IV, Section 2 unless and until the Constitution was changed through the amendment procedure outlined in Article 5.

        • Smilee

          Vigilant says:
          October 1, 2012 at 7:44 am

          The Merryman decision, first of all, was NOT a SCOTUS decision. It was a decision where Taney acted as a district judge in a Maryland court.

          Notwithstanding the failure of the SCOTUS to rule on the case (since it was never presented to the SCOTUS), subsequent SCOTUS decisions have CLEARLY confirmed that the president has no right to suspend habeas corpus. I’ve provided the most recent decision above.

          The SCOTUS decision in Dred Scott vs. Sandford was a majority opinion of 7 of the 9 justices.

          Taney did NOT go wrong in deciding against Dred Scott, as it was clear from the Constitution itself that slaves were not citizens (the 14th Amendment would later change that), and the whole case revolved around Scott’s right to bring a legal matter before the courts as a citizen.

          Refer to Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution:

          “No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, But shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.”

          Much as we agree that the institution of slavery was an abominable practice, by today’s standards, the SCOTUS is not in business to violate the Constitution through activist legislation from the bench. Taney HAD NO CHOICE in upholding Article IV, Section 2 unless and until the Constitution was changed through the amendment procedure outlined in Article 5.

          MY RESPONSE:

          I have no disagreement with you on your first and third paragraphs. I believe you are wrong on the second and on the fourth paragraph I totally disagree with the courts finding and that they had no other choice. First The court could have struck down the law as in the very first words of the Constitution reads “We the People of the United States…” and to conclude as the court did they concluded that black people are not to be considered people under the constitution which no where in it is that stated, this was clearly legislating from the bench and this decision is largely regarded as one of the worst decisions the court ever made and if you read the actual opinion you will know how despicable it is and much more a biased political statement rather than a legal one. It was clearly wrongly decided

          You only give the third paragraph in Article IV section two and thus you again conclude wrongly that this supports your argument had you included the first two paragraphs you would have known this deals with convicted criminals and you also ignore the fifth amendment which was in effect even then and the fourteenth amendment does not exclude this for convicted criminals just for all not convicted of a crime, thus the numerous jim crow laws after its ratification which became so popular in the south so that ones labor could be gotten for free from black people, PBS this year did a documentary entitled “Slavery by another Name” which was eye opening as to the extent that these states did go and how so many that turned a blind eye to it in those states, This lasted for over 80 years.

          The Dred Scott case was about property rights of the slave owner not a criminal case.

          There is no case even today that gives precedent to whom has the authority to suspend habeas corpus

      • Vigilant

        “and to conclude as the court did they concluded that black people are not to be considered people under the constitution which no where in it is that stated…”

        Read the decision, Smilee. No one ever claimed the slaves were not “persons,” albeit they were considered chattel. The argument was over whether they were CITIZENS of a state, with legal authority to enter into court suits.

        At the time of Constitutional ratification, slaves, Indians and Tories were not part of the constituting body of the USA. Nor would many states (if any at all) grant citizenship to “Turks (MUslims), Infidels and Jews.” Read your history.

        Until the 14th Amendment, there was no such thing as a citizen of the United States. People were considered citizens of the state in which they resided. The State of Missouri never granted citizenship to the slaves, and the SCOTUS was powerless to declare them so.

        The Fifth Amendment does not counter my argument, it SUPPORTS it. “No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” Thus, it guaranteed the slaveholders legal redress in the case of runaway slaves (property). This and the provisions in Article IV, Section 3 are the PRECISE basis for the Fugitive Slave Law.

        Lincoln decried the moral unfairness of the Fugitive Slave Law, but NEVER challenged its constitutionality. Once again, read your history.

        • Smilee

          Vig

          When you are saying they are chattel ( and I acknowledge that the decision did) you are saying they are not persons but property no different than owning a cow or a pig. It has nothing to do with citizenship. The fifth protects a persons liberty and the court did not protect Dred Scott’s liberty did it, it upheld the right of ownership of another person saying slavery is constitutional when the Constitution does not say anyone can own another, nowhere in the constitution does it define any person as property and I would like you to try and show me different. , in fact it does not and it says that “We the People” as its first words and does not define any person as not being a part of “We The People” that was the wrong conclusion of the court in this decision and they had the opportunity here and the obligation to define “We the People” and did not as it did not include Dred Scott as a person and entitled to the protections of the Constitutions and primarily the fourth and fifth amendments which they had an obligation to insure it covered all the People as we the people does not make any exceptions. The Supreme Court has the responsibility and obligation to overturn both state and federal laws not covered under the Constitution, You take the position that ir is OK for the court to not do so anyway in this case. You seem to think it was OK for the court to support the practice of slavery when it is a far fetch to say the Constitution permits these type of laws when it does not. Slavery was a cultural practice and as in many situations until the court ruled on it, cultural things are the practice even though not legal and can go on for years and do. Again i remind you this is widely acknowledged as being wrongly decided and one of the worst decisions ever. The fourteenth amendment clarified this but the court could have concluded this case correctly without it which now makes it very hard for current courts to go so far astray of the Constitution as it did in this case,.Why do you argue in favor of slavery when it has never been Constitutionally protected and if you really believe that please point out where in the Constitution it provides for such a conclusion.

      • Vigilant

        “…thus the numerous jim crow laws after its (14th Amendment) ratification which became so popular in the south so that ones labor could be gotten for free from black people…”

        Smilee, you apparently have no idea what a Jim Crow law was. No Jim Crow law was passed “so that ones labor could be gotten for free from black people.” They were discriminatory segregation laws, NOT a rehash of slavery, which just happened to be illegal.

        • Gea

          We had two Presidents who have worked on destruction of US educational system in which teachers are made into drill sergeants for test-taking which is not education but a guessing game. Obama’s secretary of Education is an ignorant man who equally destroyed Chicago education by make believe that schools and teachers can make up for the lack of parental guidance which is rising, since 45% of white babies and 75% black babies are born out of wedlock an have not seen a working functioning role model. This kids are then sent to schools to teach them how to be contributing citizens and teachers are supposed to teach citizenship what the kids who often do not even know who their father is., and if they are lucky they have a mother who is not on the dole having more babies from different boyfriends who often beat and kill those kids.

          Obama is worse than Bush, when it comes to education, but he is more dangerous since he is subverting US Constitution by his financing Muslim Brotherhood and helping CAIR to muzzle Americans to learn that Islam is a supremacist ideology of hate and not of peace. Obama should resign and not run for any position of power because his true beliefs in Marxism and Islam are endangering not only US but Western civilization, which Islam wants to conquer, as stated in Muslim Brotherhood long range goal to infiltrate America and destroy Western civilization.

          Muslim mobs all over the world calling for death of Americans (raping and murdering US ambassador in Libya) and for death of the Coptic Egyptian who made a rather accurate portrait of a pedophile, rapist, polygamist and murderer that Mohamed indeed was, is a TRUE FACE OF ISLAM, which had been invading by stealth and acting as a Trojan horse with the help of Barak Hussein Obama who is living up to his middle name and subverting US Constitution and giving money to those who want to destroy US liberty and human rights. The politically correct ignorant bleeding hearts blame everything on “Islamophobia” and racism to shut up those who point out the obvious. Obama is a clear danger to liberty and human rights everywhere and a true believer of Marxism and Islam, which belong to dung heap of history and NOT in America.

        • Smilee

          VIG

          Jim Crow laws included laws to insure segregation but that was only one of the things it did as it did many other things as well as even spitting on a sidewalk could and did require a sentence of forced labor and they were farmed out to private employers including US Steel to work for free and the state got a small amount for this but the companies provided for room and board for them. 30% of them were either worked to death or murdered to cover up when federal officials were investigating it. It is you whom accepts the southern states side of it but not the real story go on line on the PBS site and see “Slavery by another Name” it is very revealing and well documented and therefore very believable and was even shocking to some of the descendants of those whom were in the business of furnishing this free labor for plantations and businesses but did not know of it at the time it was kept out of the public’s eye. TV cameras of the sixties started to bring it out in the open and since it is mostly been verified but you seem to believe the old description of it. The truth is out there if you seek it out and you can.

      • Vigilant

        Smilee says, “The Dred Scott case was about property rights of the slave owner not a criminal case.”

        THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I SAID. Slaves were PROPERTY, not citizens. Both Article IV and the Fifth Amendment confirmed it.

        “There is no case even today that gives precedent to whom has the authority to suspend habeas corpus.”

        You have spun a web that denies the examples I’ve given you, as well as the voluminous body of legal scholarship that confirms the authority of Congress and no one else to suspend habeas corpus.

        I’ve got that on my side. You have nothing but surmise and conjecture on your side.

      • Vigilant

        “Why do you argue in favor of slavery when it has never been Constitutionally protected and if you really believe that please point out where in the Constitution it provides for such a conclusion.”

        Smilee, I apologize for ever thinking that you knew something about the Constitution. It’s obvious you don’t know squat about it.

        I have never argued in favor of slavery. Is your attention span so limited that you didn’t see me modify the word “slavery” with the adjective “abominable” before? My argument (something so well known as to be a no-brainer) was that slavery, immoral as we see it, WAS CONSTITUTIONAL until after the Civil War.

        NO ONE argued it then, and no one argues it now. Taney knew it, Lincoln knew it, The Founders knew it, the South and the North knew it, and NO ONE questioned this fact. And it’s not debatable.

        Have you EVER studied the origins and background of the Constitution, the competing Federalist/Antifederalist opinions, the Federalist Papers, the three-fifths compromise, or the unfinished business of the Constitution that guaranteed a civil war? Obviously not.

        I find it a poor expenditure of time to argue against your ignorance. Get some book learning before you purport to pontificate on what the Constitution means.

        • Smilee

          Vig

          Well, well, well, I asked you to point where it says in the Constitution that slavery is protected and that slaves are defined as non persons or not part of the “People” initially slavery was legal until after the civil war but no one questioned if it was constitutional but being legal does not make it constitutional, culture and practice sometimes keeps laws not constitutional enforced until something or someone challenges it. Many times laws have been overturned as not Constitutional even after many years of being enforced, this was true of many of the Jim Crow laws for example and many others and this was the case here. The supreme court had the opportunity in the Dred Scott case to declare slavery unconstitutional if it had been rightly decided and that is the opinion of many legal scholars today despite your comment to the contrary declaring without proof that everyone thinks as you do when in fact many do not. The three fifths compromise was just that but it only defined the manner of counting for the census and that is all it defined, Indians where not counted at all but they where not defined as not free albeit we treated them like slaves but they were never owned as state slavery laws defined slavery. You make a lot of statements that refer to me as stupid and such when you do not even know the difference between common law and constitutional law and that common law often exists for long periods of time before it gets corrected by either the supreme court or amending the Constitution. It is you whom needs further education to understand law, all kinds of law and how they interact

          Also, You apparently do not know the difference as part of the fourteenth amendment was written so people like yourself would understand that it was no longer legal as so many refused to accept it otherwise. Origins and background are not the final product, many things were said etc but did not end up in the constitution, it was in the end a compromised document. The federalist papers where the sales pitch to sell the initial ratification of the Constitution and are not a part of it albeit they are used as reference they never replace the constitution as the courts over the years have not always agreed with it. That is not to say they are not important they just are not the law. The Constitution is never a finished product and always open to amendments and interpretations. Why do you thing it guaranteed a civil war as it could have been resolved it other ways but they chose not to but it did put to rest the question of weather slavery laws could still exist. A high price to pay for being so stubborn

      • Vigilant

        “Well, well, well, I asked you to point where it says in the Constitution that slavery is protected and that slaves are defined as non persons or not part of the “People.”

        Well, well, well, oh ignorant one, we would not have had a Constitution at all if slavery had been outlawed from the very beginning. The Southern states never would have signed it if it were made unconstitutional. If you don’t know that, you are beyond ignorant. Take a basic civics course.

        The issue was so divisive that the word “slavery” was not even used in the document. And personhood was not the operative word or concept, citizenship was. Slaves were not citizens, period, until the 14th Amendment.

        “No person held to service or labor…” was undoubtedly, irrevocably, incontestably referring to slaves, sonny, and nothing else. For God’s sake, it was the very basis and Constitutional (legal) authority for the Fugitive Slave Law. Again, NO ONE argued its Constitutionality.

        Then, unbelievably, you say, “…initially slavery was legal until after the civil war but no one questioned if it was constitutional but being legal does not make it constitutional…”

        That’s one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever seen. Duh, legality is DEFINED by the Constitution. It’s the Law of the Land. Slavery was both Constitutional and legal. You cannot and will not parse words to spin some sophomoric web of obfuscation.

        Then, to top it off, you say, “”The supreme court had the opportunity in the Dred Scott case to declare slavery unconstitutional if it had been rightly decided and that is the opinion of many legal scholars today…”

        Absolutely false. The SCOTUS had NO opportunity to declare such, since the issue NEVER involved the Constitutionality (legality) of slavery. The issue was a challenge to the Fugitive Slave Law, not whether slavery was Constitutional. The SCOTUS has no charter to go off on a wild tangent and make declarations of one sort or another regarding matters that are restricted to the particulars of the case before them.

        As for “that is the opinion of many legal scholars today…”

        NAME ONE. I’m calling your bluff because I know you cannot produce ONE legal scholar who will agree with you. Man up and admit you pulled that one out of your posterior.

        I repeat, your knowledge of the Constitution is a joke.

        • Smilee

          Vig

          Wrong, as you do not understand the difference between constitutional law and common law you will never get it until you do understand that . I do not dispute the cultural and motivations of those writing the constitution or that if the issue of slavery had it been addressed in the constitution it would never have come into being,I understand all that but in the end it was not and it does it did not define “We the People” either so therefore it includes all people and people are persons it may not have been their intention but it was that unintended consequence that resulted by not defining it. YOU SAY: ” The issue was so divisive that the word “slavery” was not even used in the document.” you got that right and because of that they left “We the people undefined and thus it is written then to include all people nor was citizenship defined and few people held the right to vote even those whom were in culture considered citizens as they did not define it in the Constitution.The Dred Scott decision did define it based on what they perceived the original intent and not on the words actually in the Constitution in other words incorrectly decided and legislated from the bench and many today acknowledge that. it has since been changed since by both being overturned and new Constitution amendments. Also it was the fugitive slave law that was a part of the question and if the court had correctly ruled that slavery was not constitutional then so would this law have not been, the Constitution does trump common law which you often infer that it does not.. The Dred Scott decision was based on what the court believed was the intent of some of the founders but not the end result of what the Constitution actually said or did not say. You just do not seem to believe that we had laws that are not constitutional even today we have some and it is not uncommon to have the court overturn laws because of it and they do. Who are the scholars well in every confirmation hearing in my memory for any member of the supreme court by the senate the Dred Scott decision has come up and he response of the supreme court candidates and others at these hearings testified that the the Dred Scott decision was wrongly decided then I fail to see why you have such a problem with that,. You seem to be stuck in the minds set of those whom believed in slavery and used both law and the courts to support it even though the Constitution does not. and that was my basis for asking if you were OK with slavery even though you did say it was really bad (I do not recall the actual word you used) but that is common of people in denial. You also are very rude and crude in how you address those whom have different views than you have and that makes me wonder if it speaks to your character as well and you are the real joke here.

      • Vigilant

        I repeat, NAME ONE. I’m calling your bluff because I know you cannot produce ONE legal scholar who will agree with you. Man up and admit you pulled that one out of your posterior.

        I expect you to provide not false memories but names, quotations, date and time. YOU CANNOT.

        Then, you use the typical Alinsky style straw man argument with,” You seem to be stuck in the minds [sic] set of those whom [sic] believed in slavery and used both law and the courts to support it even though the Constitution does not. and that was my basis for asking if you were OK with slavery even though you did say it was really bad (I do not recall the actual word you used) but that is common of people in denial.”

        Your implication that I support, or would have supported slavery, is both ridiculous and libelous. I’m not even going to dignify that with a defense.

        But I will counter with a surmising of what kind of person you are, since you opened the door. You are the typical liberal, one who disrespects the Constitution and the rule of law. For you, the Law of the Land is insufficient because it doesn’t address every little social evil that you perceive to be in existence.

        You have the misbegotten notion that the Founders intended to make the Constitution a “living document” in the sense that it is only a loose guide and can be discarded at will whenever some social injustice requires redressing. It is not. It is the LAW OF THE LAND, and NOTHING short of Constitutional amendment is sufficient to change its provisions.

        NO case was ever brought before the SCOTUS, to my knowledge, which challenged the institution of slavery prior to the 13th Amendment. Dred Scott NEVER addressed the legality, Constitutionality or common law considerations of slavery, as the SCOTUS was incompetent in law to do so. It was, simply, not part of the case, and for the court to make any attempt to adjudicate that issue would have indeed been unacceptable (and unconstitutional) judicial activism.

        Volumes of law books, the Founders, every legal scholar and every president through Lincoln was aware of the legality and Constitutionality of the institution of slavery. It is not legal today because of the 13th Amendment, NOT because it was unconstitutional from the get go.

        If it was not Constitutional in 1787, tell me why the prohibition against the importation of slaves was put off until 1808. That alone indicates that slavery was tacitly accepted, though begrudgingly, by many of the Founders.

        If it was not Constitutional in 1787, tell me why the 3/5 compromise was effected. Southern congressmen represented 100% of non-voting whites, while only 3/5 of the slave population was counted for representation in the House.

        If it was not Constitutional in 1787, tell me why the provisions for runaway slaves were formalized in that document?

        “You also are very rude and crude in how you address those whom have different views than you have and that makes me wonder if it speaks to your character as well and you are the real joke here.”

        My character is to persuade with facts and logic. After a relatively civil discourse in which you continued to throw out assumptions and “analysis” completely at odds with history, I can only call it like I see it.

        Truth be known, it’s obvious that my grasp of history and the Constitution is light years ahead of yours. I can back up EVERYTHING I’ve said. You cannot back up much of anything. It’s not a matter of “different views.” It’s a matter of historical fact vs. nonsense.

        • Smilee

          repeat, NAME ONE. I’m calling your bluff because I know you cannot produce ONE legal scholar who will agree with you. Man up and admit you pulled that one out of your posterior. I expect you to provide not false memories but names, quotations, date and time.

          I GAVE YOU SEVERAL WHOM TESTIFIED AT THE SENATE CONFIRMATION HEARINGS I CITED AND IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH AND LOOK IT UP YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH TOO. YOU ARE JUST THROWING MUD AT THE WALL TO SEE HOW MUCH WILL STICK, DEMANDING LIKE YOU DO IS CHILDISH AND CREATES A SMOKE SCREEN WHICH APPARENTLY IS YOUR GOAL HERE.

          YOU CANNOT. Then, you use the typical Alinsky style straw man argument with,

          WHAT KIND OF GARBAGE IS THIS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT, SUCH A STUPID STATEMENT!!

          ” You seem to be stuck in the minds [sic] set of those whom [sic] believed in slavery and used both law and the courts to support it even though the Constitution does not. and that was my basis for asking if you were OK with slavery even though you did say it was really bad (I do not recall the actual word you used) but that is common of people in denial.” Your implication that I support, or would have supported slavery, is both ridiculous and libelous.

          WHY????? YOU OPENED THE DOOR I MERELY ASKED AND NOW YOU ARE DUCKING WITH NO ANSWER

          I’m not even going to dignify that with a defense.

          But I will counter with a surmising of what kind of person you are, since you opened the door. You are the typical liberal, one who disrespects the Constitution and the rule of law.

          WRONG!! JUST MORE R DIRT THROWING AND ASSUMPTIONS BY YOU

          For you, the Law of the Land is insufficient because it doesn’t address every little social evil that you perceive to be in existence. You have the misbegotten notion that the Founders intended to make the Constitution a “living document” in the sense that it is only a loose guide and can be discarded at will whenever some social injustice requires redressing. It is not. It is the LAW OF THE LAND, and NOTHING short of Constitutional amendment is sufficient to change its provisions.

          YOU TOTALLY MISREPRESENTED WHAT I HAVE SAID ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION AS I NEVER SAID WHAT YOU ACCUSE ME OF WHICH IS JUST MORE OF YOUR MUD THROWING WHICH IS A SYMPTOM OF A PERSON WHOM LACKS THE ABILITY TO ANSWER INTELLIGENTLY. DEAD DOCUMENTS CANNOT BE CHANGED BUT THE CONSTITUTION PROVIDES FOR A PROCESS OF AMENDING IT AND IT THAT SENSE IT WAS NOT CAST IN CONCRETE

          NO case was ever brought before the SCOTUS, to my knowledge, which challenged the institution of slavery prior to the 13th Amendment. Dred Scott NEVER addressed the legality, Constitutionality or common law considerations of slavery, as the SCOTUS was incompetent in law to do so. It was, simply, not part of the case, and for the court to make any attempt to adjudicate that issue would have indeed been unacceptable (and unconstitutional) judicial activism. Volumes of law books, the Founders, every legal scholar and every president through Lincoln was aware of the legality and Constitutionality of the institution of slavery. It is not legal today because of the 13th Amendment, NOT because it was unconstitutional from the get go. If it was not Constitutional in 1787, tell me why the prohibition against the importation of slaves was put off until 1808. That alone indicates that slavery was tacitly accepted, though begrudgingly, by many of the Founders. If it was not Constitutional in 1787, tell me why the 3/5 compromise was effected. Southern congressmen represented 100% of non-voting whites, while only 3/5 of the slave population was counted for representation in the House. If it was not Constitutional in 1787, tell me why the provisions for runaway slaves were formalized in that document? “

          MORE BS FROM YOU THAT IS ALL QUESTIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS BUT DOES NOT ADDRESS WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION AT THE GET GO THAT SAYS SLAVERY IS PROTECTED SLAVERY, YOU IGNORE ANSWERING THAT BECAUSE IT SIMPLY IS NOT THERE

          You also are very rude and crude in how you address those whom have different views than you have and that makes me wonder if it speaks to your character as well and you are the real joke here.” My character is to persuade with facts and logic.

          WHAT FACTS THEY ARE ALL ASSUMPTIONS AND INJECTED FALSE IDEAS NOT IN FACT

          After a relatively civil discourse

          WHAT CIVIL DISCOURSE EARLY ON YOU DID THIS AND FINALLY I GOT SICK OF IT AND RESPONDED IN KIND AND IT SEEMS TO BE GETTING TO, YOU. YOU CAN THROW IT OUT BUT CAN NOT TAKE IT

          in which you continued to throw out assumptions and “analysis” completely at odds with history, I can only call it like I see it.

          I UNDERSTAND AND AS YOU LACK KNOWLEDGE YOU DO NOT SEE IT AS IT IS AND WAS

          Truth be known, it’s obvious that my grasp of history and the Constitution is light years ahead of yours. I can back up EVERYTHING I’ve said.

          THEN SHOW US WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT SLAVERY IS PROTECTED AND THAT IT SAY SLAVES ARE NOT A PART OF “WE THE PEOPLE” FACT IS YOU CAN’T BECAUSE IT IS NOT THERE AND YOU IGNORE THAT FACT AND GO OFF ON A TANGENT AND READ A LOT INTO IT HAT IS NOT THERE AND YOU IGNORE TOTALLY MANY OF MY ARGUMENTS AS I BELIEVE IT IS FAR TO DEEP FOR YOU AND YOU JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT

          You cannot back up much of anything.

          WHAT DID I NOT BACK UP, THAT IS A FIGMENT OF YOUR SILLY IMAGINATION

          It’s not a matter of “different views.” It’s a matter of historical fact vs. nonsense.

          JUST MORE OF YOUR BULL

      • Vigilant

        OK, one last try. This is a simple test of logical abilities; let’s see if you can pass it.

        Simple question: if slavery was already unconstitutional, why would a formal amendment have been required to make it unconstitutional?

        Take as much time as you need. This is an open book test.

        • Smilee

          Vig

          It would not have been amended if the court when it had the chance in Dred Scott had overturned it as they should have and in the absence of that they put clarifying words in the thirteenth amendment to insure it but even then found a way to get around it when they created the Jim Crow laws which violated the thirteenth amendment. PBS created a documentary correctly labeled “Slavery by a different Name” to document this reality. Amendments are passed to either change the Constitution or clarify it. Not that difficult to understand I would not think.

      • Vigilant

        (Buzzer sounds) You fail!

        The SCOTUS “clarifies” the Constitution, NOT amendments. You’d have thousands of amendments if their purpose was clarification.

        I’d recommend remedial courses in the Constitution, but you’ve apparently never even learned the basics. Take an introductory course in the Constitution. I hear that Hillsdale College offers a free one on line. Note: that’s not sarcasm; I recommend that for everyone.

        • Smilee

          VIG

          Hillsdale College is well know for its skewed teachings of the Constitution and designed to teach just that. It is a course motivated by politics not legal motivations. Is that where you got so many skewed meanings of it??? That’s not sarcasm either just a simple statement and question

          • Gea

            Why not just read US Constitution and Declaration of Independence on line?! Any moron can understand that Barak Hussein Obama is subverting US Constitution and betraying American values and US diplomats and soldiers everywhree. He should RESIGN and leave America and not continue his Marxist Muslim campaign to destroy it!

            I am a proud American and the only thing that I am ashamed of was voting for this Big Muslim Brother in the Whtiehouse.

          • Nick Czudy

            Hey GEA. When you said that Obama is “Betraying American Values” I think that you meant to say ‘Conservative Values”. Why do conservatives think that they are “Patriots” and not others? Obama has kept this country from imploding 4 years ago. At that time, all of the economists all said that a recession like that would take a decade to get out of.

            You also keep calling him the “Big Muslim Brother”. calling him a Muslim will not make him one. It is odd that you think that he is a Muslim and the rest of the GOP are jumping on him for his extolling the virtues of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who is a Christian minister. that is the talking point of the day.
            You are like a child, that thinks if you say something long enough it will come true.

            Since you have intimated that you have researched these things thoroughly, can you give me some examples to back your silly statements. Remember I am independent and you saying it does not make it true.
            I am tuned into politics for hours every day. I have not heard of all of the events that you are intimating. How did he help to get the Muslim Brotherhood elected in Egypt for one example. You keep saying that he helped to gt them elected. Prove it.

            Thanks.

          • Frank Kahn

            Okay, so it was a “Freudian slip” when he said “my Muslim faith” in a televised interview?

            The virtues of the “Christian minister” that the GOP is complaining about are his extreme hate messages about the US. Also, I have not tried to confirm the allegations but, also the minister is said to be a communist or Marxist or something. If the ministers messages are filled with HATRED then it is not fair to classify him as a truly Christian minister.

            American values, were originally based on the Christian faith, are harder to pin down in our modern heathenistic society. True patriotism is based on the original concept and designs of our founding principles. Our country was created to be a Republic with small government that has a very limited role in governance. The rights of the individual should always be put above the desires of the majority. He said “The United States is not a Christian country”. Well that statement, besides being inflammatory to every Christian in the nation, is not for the most part true. Yes, we are being infiltrated by massive amounts of Muslims, and there are many atheists and agnostics, but most Americans try to be Christians. They fail horribly when it comes to greed, and debauchery but sometimes they maybe dont truly understand the errors of what they desire. He extolls the virtues of Islam in many ways, he said the call to prayer was the most beautiful sound in the world. He said that Muslims gave us just about everything imaginable from math to science and the entertaining arts and architecture. Some of this may be true but I hardly think they are the masters of all we know in this world. He also said that if things got really bad he would side with Islam against Israel. Now I cant speak for the nation but I believe that if you took a vote (by people who know the truth about Islam) on whether his support of Islam against Israel is a good American idea, he would lose that vote.

            Also your use of the term conservative in a derogatory manner is unjust. If you say that only conservative are Christians that would be a lie. If you say that conservatives want to control everything in everybody’s lives that would be a lie. If you say all conservatives are radical right wingers that would be a lie. Using these kinds of statements is just regurgitating the dogma of the radical Liberals who want to paint everyone but them as bad.

            As to the Muslim Brotherhood taking control of Egypt, I would have to do much more research on that subject. I doubt that Obama got them elected, however, there are rumors that his administration supported the overthrow of the previous government. If this is true then his administration was guilty of assisting in creating a situation where they could take over.

            Now, just to make myself clear, everything I have seen him say and do is slanted towards support and appeasement of Islam. I do not slant and will not accept anyone else slanting and trying to make excuses about what he said on tv. I have personally watched the news clips that I speak of and I find it ridiculous for his supporters to keep saying that is not what he said, or that is not what he meant. And, when they say we are taking his statement “you did not build that” out of context, what context did they imagine he said it in? Even more sickening is the drivel coming out of his supporters about how no business could exist without the infrastructure. Sorry to burst their bubbles but that is total nonsense. Sure some things could not run as efficiently, like interstate commerce, but that just limits the customer base not eliminating the possibility of a business.

          • Liberty Lover

            Amen, Frank!

          • Smilee

            Thanks Nick, It is nice to see someone on here with the ability to think for them self and have something intelligent,

      • Vigilant

        “Hillsdale College is well know for its skewed teachings of the Constitution and designed to teach just that. It is a course motivated by politics not legal motivations.”

        I know it’s useless to ask, but please provide a definitive and credible source for that bit of propaganda. I don’t, of course, expect a sensible answer. You pulled that one out of your posterior as well. The last time I challenged you to provide names, dates and times, you gave me a non-answer and then claimed you had satisfied the challenge.

        Speaking of which, have you located ANY source that confirms your stupid idea that the Dred Scott decision was unconstitutional? No, I didn’t think you did. Hint: I asked for the names and dates of any Constitutional scholar that would claim such a thing; you referred to a hazy memory about senate confirmation hearings. Try answering the question this time.

        “Is that where you got so many skewed meanings of it??? That’s not sarcasm either just a simple statement and question.”

        Simple answer: I have never seen the Hillsdale course. It goes without saying that you haven’t seen it (or any course on the Constitution, for that matter).

        No, smile, I have done extensive reading in history from many, many authors. As I said, my knowledge of the history of our founding, and the many deliberations of the Founders in giving us the Constitution, is light years ahead of yours. And given the ignorant, evasive and sophomoric answers you have provided, I can state that with a high certainty.

        • Smilee

          More bull from Vig, I am not your researcher so quit asking me to do that, if you really want the truth research it for yourself, we both know what ever I tell you are going to spin and twist what I say as that is your MO and I am not going to waste time on it because you are to lazy to do it for yourself and apparently you do know nothing about Hillsdale and still recommend it, I think that says something about your thought processes too and lack of concern for the truth which does not seem the least bit important to you.

    • TexasRide

      KG, you must pride yourself in making the most offensive comments on the board!
      White Americans DO NOT NEED TO REDEEM THEMSELVES so get that straight. No one wants a perverse sermon by a liberal crackpot. Why don’t you deal with the facts about what this administration is doing…oooops, libs can’t deal with facts because it ruins their fantasy world.

      Wayne Allen is spot-on! No one including White Americans want to support an arrogant foreign muslim that illegally sits in the presidency! Maybe White Americans are finally paying attention to what this “self-proclaimed Negro” (I believe him to be arab) is doing. We might add that most of White America can read and write which is not the case in many other groups. The ability of Whites to understand and be cognizant of facts uncovered might also have something to do with the “White gap.” While your dumbed down voting-herd on the liberal plantation makes no effort whatsoever to educate themselves about how this regime is going to take away all their “bennies!” They don’t realize that there will be nothing for them in the marxist world except “shared misery.”

      The foreigner’s obvious support of “terrorists” (he can’t even utter the word) is putting an end to his previous”fence sitting.” He is no longer being coy about his loyalties rather he flaunts them in the face of Americans right before a coming election. Meantime, the libs are having to work overtime to get Whites to believe the “fantasy poll results.” If there is a legitimate election (big IF when you are dealing with a lawless group of criminals) it will be a landslide for Americans that want to return to a prosperous economy, their status as a world leader, and returning to our AMERICAN culture!

      Forget diversity and multiculturalism…they are tools used to divide this country. We must restore the fabric that binds us together as ONE great nation!

      • Flashy

        “No one including White Americans want to support an arrogant foreign muslim that illegally sits in the presidency” <—TexasRides

        Texas…just what do you 'ride" ?

        As to what you say…i agree. good thing we don’t have that eh?

      • TexasRide

        F-man, my favorite thing to ride is the bullsheters on this site..

      • Flashy

        Hmmm…in your case, isn’t that anatomically impossible?

      • Jim S

        But we do Flashy. I know it’s tough for Liberals to understand the definition of anything, but you really ought to grasp the fact he isn’t eligible to hold the Office of President. He isn’t a “natural born” citizen, if he is even a citizen. His father was a British subject. He was not an American citizen. Both parents have to be American citizens for their children to be “natural born” citizens. Therefore, he is not eligible to hold the office. I know this is really confusing, but please try to grasp it.

      • Flashy

        Jim S… i guess that’s why he is on all ballots and is running for RE election

        hmmm… that doesn’t seem to jive with ineligibility…

      • JC

        Flashy says:

        September 27, 2012 at 11:46 am

        Jim S… i guess that’s why he is on all ballots and is running for RE election

        hmmm… that doesn’t seem to jive with ineligibility…
        ______________________________________________________________________

        No but it does “jive” with criminal treason.

    • Vigilant

      KG says, “However, Mr. Obama has given America the opportunity to redeem itself from this “terrible sin” that both Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were aware of.”

      I’d say the “terrible sin” of slavery was eradicated by the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution.

      I’d say that the 15th and 24th Amendments furthered the progress of equality for Blacks.

      I’d say Brown vs. Board of Education, as unConstitutional as it was, continued to level the playing field in the 50s.

      I’d say that civil rights legislation in the 60s and the Voting Rights Act, should have put the equality issues at rest forever.

      I’d say that affirmative action programs (quotas) were the mark of overcompensation to the extent that unConstitutional discrimination against whites was institutionalized, going way beyond the intent of the Founders.

      I’d say that passage of hate crime laws and failures to enforce voter intimidation laws when the perpetrators are Black, are directly counter to the “equal protection of the laws” portion of the 14th Amendment.

      I’d say that talk of compensating modern Blacks for the centuries-old abomination of slavery are merely mercenary-motivated schemes.

      And I’d say you have a grasp of history as shallow and myopic as your bankrupt communist philosophy.

      So tell us, KG, what Obama can do to redeem us “from this “terrible sin” that both Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were aware of.”

      • momo

        Don’t confuse KG with facts Vig!

      • Sirian

        Vigilant,
        If I remember correctly, it seems as though Eisenhower attempted to initiate “civil rights” legislation when he was first in. Needless to say it went nowhere at that time in particular, but again, he attempted the same. Since then it has been easily set aside by the majority.

      • uvuvuv

        yes the lbj years shudda ended the racial divide way back in the 60s. the great society and the war on poverty including affirmative action, the voters rights act, the equal opportunity commision, the community action coalition and job corps. also in the lbj years my father was involved in a pilot program in wyoming (a test case) to intiate the usda distribution of food stamps. also i suppose medicare would also come to the rescue of anyone needing medical care who never had a job. so all that shudda buried racism right there, especially since whites use food stamps too. they’re even more guilty because they’re solid middle class and they use them.

      • KG

        Changing the laws doesn’t necessarily change hearts. You can give as many “rights’ to someone as you want, but if he’s in a cage, does it matter?

      • Vigilant

        “Changing the laws doesn’t necessarily change hearts. You can give as many “rights’ to someone as you want, but if he’s in a cage, does it matter?”

        Your metaphor falls on deaf ears. In recognizing the rights of life, liberty and property, among others, how does that put someone in a cage?

        KG, at what point in your life were you told that the purpose of the Constitution and the laws that appertain were put in place to “change hearts?” Whenever and wherever you learned that, you’d better go back and confront the falsehood.

        Changing hearts, to the leftist, is a function of “behaviorism,” NOT the law. To you and your ilk, it means political correctness and other forms of propaganda that have no place in our society. It takes the form of programming tender minds to believe that collectivism and not individual freedom is the most important aspect of our liberties.

        It militates against every principle of our nation’s founding, and it celebrates conformism and slavery to a central government. Changing hearts is not the function of government, unless you advocate thought control police.

        • Gea

          Obama does not have a problem but American has a problem having this incompetent man who promotes Islam and Marxism from the Whtie hosue, and whom may again with his story telling and voting organizing skills stay in the Withouse and finish US off.

          About 1/3 of registered voters in Ohio had requested abssentee ballot, and I suspect Obama’s election machinery pushing what to vote for among those who never vote. Damocratic party and Obama machinery may have figured out how to get those votes too, even though most of those do not care if they have to move their butt to come to the voting place. IT would not surprise me if “community oarganizers’ will be filling those half a millions absentee votres to make Barak Hussein “win” again.

          This is legal since the voting rules are rather relaxed when it comes to absentee voters.

    • JUKEBOX

      If they don’t like voting for a loser, there is no viable reason to vote for Obama. He is guilty of intentional incompetence.

    • 45caliber

      KG: So you believe that the country would have fallen if Oblama had not been in office?? LOL!!

      Actually, he’s done more to cause it to fall than any previous President! Actually, I’d have probably been in favor of the country falling then. It would have given us a chance to start over. I think you should talk more with Christopher Allen Horton above. He might be able to give you a better understanding of what a black man thinks.

      • Flashy

        45…depends. Fallen? Not likely. Depression? If any path other than what was followed by the administration…that was a very real likelihood and probability.

    • http://yahoo gator

      its sad MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. is no longer with us, he had intelligence, and vision, and he would have seen hussein barrack obama for what he is, a two-faced black/white liar, a man of little character, and he would have opposed him; i would gladly have elected MLK for potus. GOD BLESS HIM.

      • KG

        What, exactly, has Mr. Obama lied about?

      • Patriot1776

        KG, see everything obama has ever said. That is the most comprehensive list of his lies. For specifics, how about the attacks on the consulate in Libya being caused by a video, that unemployment would be at 5% if he was allowed to implement his stimulus plan, that if he couldn’t fix the economy, he would be a one term president, that he would ”
        faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, so help me God.” How many more would you like me to list?

      • JeffH

        KG, that’s just too easy…the Liar in Chiefs lies:
        “I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration”
        abcnews.com

        Romney and Ryan will gut pell grants for low-income college students.
        Factcheck.org

        My budget will cut the deficit by $4 Trillion over 10 years.
        Factcheck.org

        “I am told that Governor Romney’s new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days,” he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.”
        House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)

        The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource.
        Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors

        “You Didn’t Build that”

        Just a few recent examples
        http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

      • KG

        the attacks on the consulate in Libya being caused by a video
        Umm, well we know what videos bin Laden was watching.

        that unemployment would be at 5% if he was allowed to implement his stimulus plan
        What would unemployment be if we did NOTHiNG?

        that if he couldn’t fix the economy, he would be a one term president
        Umm that is NOT a promise, more like “artistic license”

        that he would ”faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, so help me God.”
        Well, after killing bin Laden and Quodaffy, do you think he was NOT “faithfully executing” the office of President? I mean, Bush COULD have done the same thing, but for him it just “wasn’t that important.”

        I think you should get your news from someplace other than FOX.

      • cawmun cents

        Watergate…Nixon lied and nobody died.
        Sept.11,2012…4 Americans died….Obama administartion lied.
        American soil…that of the embassy was attacked,and they blamed it on a spurious video?
        4 Americans are dead,and this doesnt merit ridding our nation of this incompetent man?
        Can you see the difference now ?
        If you cannot,I suggest that you are as incompetent as he is.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

  • JON

    Another “Reaching” article. President Obama is half white. No one on the right seems to mention that. Remember, half his family is white?!? Only stupid people would worry about such a thing. President Obama will be reelected no matter what color of person’s skin is in play.

    • Michael J.

      Jon,
      Absolutely right, half white, half black and all communist.

      • Penny R. Freeman

        Why are you people at it agains insulting and debating about race? And yes Obama had a white mother and a black father. The actual name for the race of a person with that mixed background is mulatto, look it up. I just don’t get why people like to read commentaries by people they disagree with and then rant and rave afterwards about how wrong the comments were. Don’t you people have anything else to do other than read and scream anger at commentators whose articles you don’t like? Yes the media is biased. It took Obama to finally wake the public to that fact. In fact it is so biased I quit watching most of the newscasts because I’m sick of their garbage. Telling me how wonderful Obama is and the day before Christmas giving me instructions on how to decorate just aren’t exactly what I call journalism. If you don’t like a commentator, don’t read what they write. Just like I don’t waste my time with ABC, NBC, or CBS and their fake news reporting, especially not NBC. If you people have such a deep desire to show your anger go look in the mirror and scream at the person causing it, you.

      • Bendecido

        @Michael J. You are so right, and we may throw in some red also for his communists side of life.

    • John

      Apparently, Obama & a lot of ‘black’ supporters forgot he is half white and vote for him as ‘one of us’! Well, after 5 1/2 years, ( 2 in US Senate and 3 1/2 as President (?) ) we all should know he is all for Obama and ‘screw everyone else’. HE is ELITIST first and socialist/progressive second. IF RON bothered reading Obama’s history he would know that BOTH sides of his ‘family’ (VERY loose term) were socialist/communist.

      As for the ‘Klan’ meeting comment, Obama and the Democrat Party’s support for FUNDING Planned Parenthood supports black (and ‘other undesirables’) extermination WAY beyond what the Klan ever imagined. A perfect fit for a ‘progressive’ (eugenics) thinking.

      SO, Obama is neither black or white, he should be judged by who HE is and what HE does! VOTING FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS BLACK IS EVERY BIT AS RACIST AS VOTING AGAINST HIM BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.

      • Bendecido

        Congrats John, you hit the nail right on the head. Good point.

      • http://AOL.com Ellen

        Agree. There have been years in the past when others are not treated fairly. Martin Luther King said that people should be judged by their charcter — a friend could not buy a house in a community because his wife was Italian. When my grandfmother came from Ireland there were signs on businesses looking for employees “No Irish need apply.” Other signs sayiing “No dogs — no Irish.” Martin Luther King said that people should be judged by their character not the color of their skin.

      • 45caliber

        John:

        The real reason that the “blacks” ignore Oblama’s white heritage is that most American “blacks” are at least half white themselves if they bother to look. Nearly half of all American “blacks” are less than quarter black. When the government first started the idea of not being a minority if you are less than a quarter of that race, the NAACP had a fit since it meant that most of the people they supposedly support wouldn’t be considered black any more. All full blacks in the US have immigrated here in the last fifty years or less.

      • eddie47d

        This article could just as easily said Romney has a black voter problem or a Hispanic voter problem or a woman voter problem or a gay voter problem but it didn’t. Fair,balanced,honest?. Not a chance! The polls have always said that Romney attracts mostly white men so that has been stated throughout this election season. This article makes it look like someone is hiding something when the facts are well known on who votes for whom. Since it is well known that mainland oriental Americans vote mostly Republican then why not make that an issue? So maybe those orientals happen to like the Republican message. Maybe blacks voted for Obama because of the issues not just his black side. Would that be too hard for you to comprehend?

    • Craig

      Which race does he identify with?

      • Paul Wells

        Well, if you read his book “Dreams of my Father”….he pretty much disavows any “white” parentage that he has. He supposedly “learned early on” to not even admit to it. Ergo, he is somewhat ashamed of his racial heritage. I mean, he had a Dad he saw exactly once when he was 10 years old, and he disavowed his mother’s race…so what does that leave him? Someone who deep down inside is angry, anti-colonial (even though the U.S. doesn’t hold a candle to say, England when it comes to colonialism) and pretty much down on America. And it shows…he bows to Saudi princes, he apologizes to Muslim militants, he presides over our decline into a banana republic. I mean…what’s not to love?!?!

      • 45caliber

        Craig:

        Communist Muslim. He was adopted by his stepfather and spent the first ten years or so of his life among them, going to their schools. Further, I’ve seen comments that his father is actually more Arab than black. All his “friends” growing up were Communist as well.

      • eddie47d

        Hey Paul Wells America had colonized itself since its beginning and from coast to coast. We didn’t have to search out other nations we just took what was here. Then again we did try and take over Cuba and the Philippines but they rebelled. Then there are those pesky Middle East wars where we attempted to colonize at the barrel of a gun and lots of money. Colonialism,Imperialism, preemptive strikes and war are only different ways of taking things that don’t belong to you.

    • DaveH

      Who are more racist, Blacks or Whites? Even the Blacks mostly say that Blacks are more racist:
      http://www.bestandworst.com/r/104739.htm

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Here’s another (pick the results tab):
        http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0SLF7V1SK8JD85MF

      • Liberty Lover

        Wonder what the comments would be if Romney got the same percentage of white votes as Obama will get among black voters.

      • Flashy

        DaveH..racism exists in all races. A truly civilized society recognizes that and makes accommodation for this. Those who choose, or cannot be anything but, living in ignorance blames everyone else and legitimizes their racism by saying it exists in others so therefore it’s OK. Kinda like what you did with the threads saying “they do it too!’

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Those who choose, or cannot be anything but, living in ignorance blames everyone else and legitimizes their racism by saying it exists in others so therefore it’s OK. Kinda like what you did with the threads saying “they do it too!’”.
        I didn’t say that, Flashman. You’re just a liar and a slanderer. What’s new?

      • 45caliber

        Flashy:

        DaveH is right. The blacks are more racist than any other race. In fact about 15 years ago, a professor at Berkley made a study of this and proved it. He had a list of questions and had various racial groups answer them. All thought they were being asked questions about the racism of others but the questions were designed to test their own racism. His conclusion was that every black was racist to some degree. Mexicans were a close second. And the whites were the least racist of any group. The professor kept his job ONLY because he was also black.

      • Flashy

        45, I’m not stating that the only rce which may be deemed or called racist is Caucasian. Quite the contrary. Everyone carries some racism within them. It’s when it is discriminatory, derogatory, or superiority is when the “sin” becomes the “crime”.

        The study you cite may be one i have read, there have been several. But think about it…when a group is under siege..be it nationality, race, creed, social or economic… the normal behavior is circle the wagons. Like tends to be drawn to like when crisis occurs or attacked.

        i would surmise that if the study is true, it should be examined with those thoughts in mind. And…think about this…could not a kind be racist towards its own? When Tyson made his infamous slanders, the he was vilified by all but African Americans..who tsked tsked. They gave him slack. In doing so, were they not in a way signalling that the African American should be cut slack because, in some way, he could not be held to the same standards as all?

        Racism through ignorance, when there is no derogatory.denigration, or ridiculing intent, is something which can be resolved by communication and explanation. THAT is the way of our society prior to the class and social warfare instigated by the divisive policies of the Right. The punishing policies of the Left create the seeds of resentment…just as bad as divisiveness.

        Such is what Pres. Obama was speaking of in his now famous speech in 2008. Such is what we need to learn, bear in mind, and guard against.

    • TexasRide

      If you believe that fantasy of his being half-White and half-Black (trying to make him acceptable to both sides?) you must believe all the lies we have been told about this fraud. We shouldn’t expect that anything we have been told is the truth. We have no idea who is sitting in our oval office. IMO, it is an arab.

    • JUKEBOX

      Tell that to the 95% of African Americans that vote blindly for Democrats.

      • TexasRide

        Juke, what do 95% of black know..anyway.

        If they were smart the 75% of their kids wouldn’t be born to single moms. And, the extent of their knowledge wouldn’t be limited to knowing who is the latest, greatest rapper.

      • eddie47d

        More than 95% of the all white Klan now vote Republican so what is really your point Jukebox? I would say 100% of American neo Nazi members vote Republican so does that make all members of the Republican Party part and parcel of those gangs?

      • JeffH

        eddie is the Klan aficionado…Wow! 95% of the 5000-6000 members of the KKK vote Rebublican? You know this as fact eddie or are you just being stupid again. Don’t answer that…it’s already known. You are lying again.

        As for your idiotic reference to Neo-Nazi voting the same…you also know this as fact? They’re both meaningless groups with irrelevant numbers that could effect any voter outcome.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        September 27, 2012 at 11:08 am
        More than 95% of the all white Klan now vote Republican so what is really your point Jukebox?
        ___________________________________________________________________
        Wow eddie…you’ve actually spoken to all thes Klansmen? And 95% of them vote Republican? That’s astonishing… so just curious. what are their names?

    • http://yahoo gator

      they are also quite DEAD; go figure.

  • Alex

    The supposed “White Voter Gap” for President Obama is much smaller than the GOP’s “Female Voter Gap”.

    This is just more hysterical pap from Wayne Allen Rot, who hawks himself as someone understanding Obama’s “evil machinations” because they were Columbia classmates—yet he claims to have never seen or heard of Obama on campus! Which is it, W.A.R.—was Barack Obama really the Columbia cypher OR do you have an insider’s comprehension of the president?

    Or, like Mitt Romney, do you just play both sides of the issue to be safe?

    • Smilee

      Alex says:
      September 27, 2012 at 7:18 am

      Interesting that the author of this thread and so many on here ignore the whole poll picture and do not focus on the more important ones, one being Obama’s surge to double digits in most of these states that are referred to as swing states that will be those that will decide the election and not the polls on different segments of the populations which is the attempt here to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Baring a miracle it now appears that Obama will get that second term and nothing being said in this thread will likely have any real effect on the election outcome. Also the polls show increases in we are better off now that three years ago, that Obama would be better at solving the economic issue and these are the real concern for the Romney camp and not white voters whom are only one segment of many in today’s population

    • DaveH

      Unlike you, Alex, who only supports one side, no matter how logically or factually bereft that support is.

    • Shaana

      You think so? You think women aren’t voting for Romney? Obama has the majority of the women? I think that many of us, who actually turn out to vote, follow the truth in news (and being many being moms/grandmothers/aunts, know to check BOTH sides of the story before we decide what’s true,) aren’t neccusarily as vocal as the DWS’s or the Sandra Fluke’s, actually are paying attention, who value working hard, life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness, people don’t care to hear the opinions of because we are “just” housewives, mothers, women (etc) I think, maybe, just maybe, we will surprise you come Election Day.

      • Paul Wells

        I really hope so, Shaana, I really really hope so…!

      • http://none Carter

        It s nice to hear a woman,that isnt step-fetching with the liberal women,honest comments,thank you !!

      • Flashy

        Please define “legitimate rape”. As well…can you explain how women should be discriminated against in work and in health care by saying in essence that they suffer from a ‘pre existing condition” ?

        Any woman who votes GOP deserves what she’s asking for…confinement to the kitchen barefoot and a sex toy.

      • Shaana

        First, legitimate rape is rape. Because one politician misused a word…geez.
        Kind of like visiting “57 states?”

        I have been discriminated against in a job. Guess what? I QUIT that job. It only happened once. I feel there is far less discrimination that people try to say there is. Also, talking about discrimination of women, lowest paid female interns of any admin? Who was that….?
        Discriminated against for a preexisting condition? Like what? For abortion? Unless and until you have had one and know the consequences, or work with women who have, I suggest you reform your opinion or keep it out of my womb.
        As a stay at home mom, kiss my bahookie! I am rarely even at home, let alone have enough time to be barefoot in the kitchen. Besides, my husband and I truly enjoy our sex life…sex toys are for single women and men, Mr. Flashy, not people married in a loving relationship.

      • 45caliber

        Shaana:

        It will only surprise me if the women vote DOESN’T go to Romney. Most women I know dislike Oblama immensely.

      • Smilee

        Shaana says:
        September 27, 2012 at 9:40 am

        Very few people believe that slip of the tongue of 57 states believe he did not know how many states we have as most certainly he does in this case the senate candidate states as fact that in what he called legitimate rape (what ever that is) the woman’s body has the means to reject getting pregnant and nobody believes that was a slip of the tongue. He believed it and even said he had been told this by doctors. The first means nothing the second show a man who is very ignorant so to compare them is pure folly. Voting for someone so lacking in knowledge would be pure stupidity.

        • Gea

          Obama had given $1.5 BILLIONS to Muslims Brotherhood in Egypt which had started a serious war on women, molesting them and forcing them to wear hijab. Islamic ideology is as misogynysitic as they come. Also, the first law that those Muslim Brothers of Obama passed was for a husband to be allowed to have sex with his diseased wife up to 12 hours after her death. How can any women in her right mind vote for Barak Hussein Obama who had let those Muslim Brothers with their genocidal, misogynysic supremacist ideology into the White House?

          How can ANY American who respects liberty, and human rights for ALL citizens, including women vkote for this dangerous BIG Muslim Brother in the Whitehoouse?

          • Nick Czudy

            GEA. I do not know where you get this stuff. ‘The Obama Admin stated during the run up to the final vote in Egypt that they were scared that the Muslim Brotherhood, might win. They stated that they were the opposition to the existing Mubarak Regime that they supported for years. They also stated that since this was a free election, that they would have to live with whoever won.
            How you can come up with total crap about Obama helping the MB win is total right wing (Michele Bacheman rhetoric). SInce they won in Egypt, whoever is in power will have to live with it.
            TO suggest that Obama is pro these outrageous offenses against women is pure bull crap.. Sex with dead wifes. It shows how totally out to lunch you are.

            Where do you get this stuff. If you tell me Michelle Bachman, then I will understand.

    • JUKEBOX

      Alex, I would like to know exactly how many of Obama’s classmates at Columbia remember him. It would probably be about the same percentage of blacks that voted for McCain in 2008.

      • uvuvuv

        dave maraniss in his book admits that obama’s columbia univ era was his dark years, very little is known. he had no friends except for a few pakistani students who also transferred with him from occidental, where he did have friends, fellow dopers and drinkers. just like in punaho high in honolulu. what isn’t explained is how he could pay for $50,000 worth of education (no help is mentioned from his mother in indonesia or his father in kenya or his grandparents in hawaii) therefore he must have applied for grants using affirmative action quotas. interestingly the book said he ate at the same restaurant they showed in seinfeld, which is also interesting because that requires more money than the average student would have. no ramen noodles for him. if he was in poly sci it would seem that at least some students would get to know him through class assignments to volunteer for local political races.

      • 45caliber

        Jukebox:

        The only students I know of who remembered him from there said he was the man to go to when you wanted to buy drugs …

  • Liberty Lover

    Obama ought to be trailing by double digits, but style trumps substance and cool beats competent with an obtuse and mis-educated electorate. So we got an affirmative-action dilettante elected President in 2008 and are dangerously close to repeating the folly in 2012. He has been an abject failure and is the worst danger this nation has ever faced.

    • Alex

      waaaa-waaa-waaaaaaa

    • Alex

      After President Obama’s second term, Hillary Clinton will begin her first. The nation is moving forward—History knows it as “progress”—and your antiquated values are being swept into the ashcan where they belong.

      Young people are moving ever more steadily away from the swampy American “values” of jaw-dropping greed and intolerance.

      • Michael J.

        Alex,
        Right, at least two generations of socialist indoctrination/public schooling has hoodwinked the most naive amongst us, our children, into worshipping a utopian dream that has led to the death of over 100 million humans in the twentieth century alone. Those who follow The Pied Piper will be made to pay The Piper soon. Are you ready?

      • JC

        Yeah? And who are they going to blame for the mess they would inherit this time?

      • Patriot1776

        It seems that you may, unfortunately be right. Amerika is moving “forward” under the dictatorship of the emporer. This “forward” movement is nothing more than a re-hash of the tried and failed socialist agenda. Anyone can look at what is going on in Europe under this same agenda and see the results. Look at Greece, France, Spain. It is nothing more than government dependency and cannot succeed as the point will always be reached where there is more taking from the system than there are putting into it. It is not sustainable. Very sad that this once great nation is being decimated by the slothfulness that took hundreds of years to overtake other countries.

      • Liberty Lover

        I had you in mind, Alex, with my comment about an “obtuse and mis-educated electorate.” Strangely, in places like China and Chile, where they have introduced market-oriented reforms, they also feel they are moving FORWARD, escaping the bonds of poverty with some of the fastest economic growth rates on the planet. Read Henry Hazlitt’s “Economics in One Lesson” and become an educated man.

      • Alex

        Pat1776–show me ONE place where Capitalism has EVER worked. It does not, has not ever, and never will work…

        • Liberty Lover

          Pure capitalism has never been tried, but the most capitalistic country ever became the most wealthy country ever. All along the continuum between free-market capitalism and statism, we find that the more freedom a country’s citizens enjoy, the more prosperous they become. You comment displays an abysmal ignorance about America’s history.

      • Alex

        True Socialism has never been tried, either…

      • DaveH

        Alex says — “The nation is moving forward—History knows it as “progress”—and your antiquated values are being swept into the ashcan where they belong”.
        Freedom is antiquated? Hardly. The antiquated system is Socialism which has been the predominate system practiced throughout history. And it always has resulted in less for the Serfs and more for their Political Masters.
        For those who would like to learn the comparison between Capitalism and Socialism, read this:
        http://mises.org/etexts/SocCap.pdf

      • DaveH

        What happens to countries’ economies as their Government Grows? Study the countries at the bottom of this ranking (those with most Government) to see how their people suffer economically:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

        As Government Grows, Economies Slow.

      • DaveH

        Another source that puts Alex’s lack of knowledge in the limelight:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

      • alpha-lemming

        True Socialism isn’t an end point….. it’s just the seventh inning stretch enroute between Capitalism and Communism.

        Socialim/Communism is akin to a parasite….. and not a very good one at that because every time it latchs on, it kills the host. With no host, the parasite dies as well. No uplifting of the disenfranchised….. just a mountain of bodies.

      • http://none Carter

        Alex,if young people are moving away from greed why are they watchng athletes who make more money,hip-hop and movies stars who make millions,Bono of U-2 is worth the same as Romney,yet NO liberal gets on him.Obama makes 36,000 a month plus salary and you say they arent greedy?Union workers make more than the average private sector worker and their retirement is more than the private sector worker.GM workers make more than Toyota,but Toyota makes a better product.Facebook,creator is worth billions.So describe your version of Liberal greed versus old greed.There are more millionaires today than in the 70s and earlier.Most Liberals get rich off of social begging to help poor people.Ellen Degeneres sold her house for 38 million dollars.She is middle-class?

      • TexasRide

        How naive and unfortunate for you Alex. You don’t understand the “marxist double-speak!”

        It is like them calling obamacare The Affordable Healthcare Act when the price of implementing this program continues to skyrocket. And, it has brought with it the highest tax increase on the middle class..in history! When the marxist say FORWARD, they mean BACKWARD! When they say AFFORDABLE they mean UNSUSTAINABLE COST! Don’t you get it!

        The marxist “RETROS” taking us back to a feudal state, the dark ages, with nothing but “shared misery” for all but the global elite! You better start glugging that koolaide, there may not be much water available to the masses in the future. It will be an expensive, state controlled commodity!

      • JUKEBOX

        Comrade Alex, I sincerely hope that you are able to speak Russian or Chinese, for that is the FORWARD movement we are taking toward Communism with Obama, and you may be crying for real on that fatal day.

      • 45caliber

        Alex:

        I have never liked oligarchies – and that is all that socialism and communism is. A small group of people who take and control all the power and wealth while the rest basically starve.

        And you said that true socialism has never been tried. Wrong. Marx himself tried it. They set up a village where everything was done in common and everyone shared in the result. It was abandoned after a couple of years as a failure. In fact, Plymouth Pilgrims did the same when they first came to the New World … and they almost starved until the leaders changed it to a capitalist program.

      • Frank Kahn

        It truly is amazing, the sewage spewed forth by so many who see with either blinders or rose colored glasses. To think that one person is either the cause of all that is good or evil in our country is STUPID. To ignore the subtleties of policies and their effects is dangerous. To blame everything on something that happened 50, 100 or 300 years ago is also narrow minded and stupid.

        To say someone was evil because he / she thought or did something in the past that was considered normal and good is moronic.

        To say that the world will be better if the person you idolize (sin) rules our lives, is uncomprehendingly ignorant.

        Humans use their individual life lessons (who they knew, what they did, what was done to them) which showed them the results of situations and attitudes to form opinions about their current situation. They use the same standards to form opinions about people.

        If your life lessons included loving faithful families. If you believe in the Golden rule. If you were rewarded for good things and punished for bad things you did. These things form you basis (beliefs) for forming all opinions you hold today. Only a narrow minded person would ever say they are completely objective in their opinion. This is where the question WHY becomes so important to us.

        I believe in the sanctity of family. I believe that you have the right to your opinion and the right to voice that opinion without retribution. I believe that God is a loving God. Anyone who steps on my beliefs will be totally wrong in my world view. When that happens I must ask the question WHY. Not why are they wrong, but why did they do what they did.

        Barak Obama is wrong in EVERYTHING he does. I dont have to prove it because I already told you why. Nothing he does fits my world view based on my life lessons. His actions (subjected to my knowledge of how people act) show him to be a devout Muslim. His lies and propensity to blame everything on someone or something else proves him to have some psychopathic tendencies. His apparent refusal to compromise on his ideas makes him appear to be narcissistic and or egotistical. Do I hate him, NO, because I must let God judge him. Do I pity him, NO, I pity those who fail to see his true nature. Is he evil, NO, he is Barak Obama. Are his current economic policies capable of healing our economy, NO, he is not doing everything needed to fix it. Will he destroy our nation, NO, he will just let it fail for lack of his being able to stop it.

        NOW TO THE CLINTONS (IS ANYONE TRULY EVIL)

        Bill Clinton was a disgrace to our nation, his conduct was reprehensible. What happened in the Oval office was morally despicable. He was Impeached for purgery. He was acquitted because of playing word games. He gambled that the definition produced for sex would not cover what happened, thereby nullifying the charge of purgery. Everyone knows that what happened there was sex, oral yes, but sex nevertheless. Now, to say that it should not have been an issue is a matter of opinion, my opinion is that it was a big deal because of the location where it occurred. To say it is minor compared to what other presidents have done is a way of obfuscation, others crimes do not lessen the importance of your crime.

        Now, as disgusted as I am with his actions, I am even more dismayed at the public reaction of his wife Hillary. She supported him through the whole matter, stood by his side. WHY? Here comes my life lessons to give me a subjective opinion of her actions. Where I come from, if your wife (or girl friend) finds out that thing has been in another woman’s mouth all hells gonna erupt. Might even be some amputation contemplated. So why did she support him? Does the word POWER mean anything to you? It is my opinion that Hillary was already planning her takeover of the government way back then. She could not afford to have her husband convicted and expect to have a chance at becoming president herself. In 1998 I was asked “who is the president of the United States?” I answered Hillary Clinton, she just wants you to think it is Bill. So I saw a woman who would apparently do anything to preserve her quest for power and that scares me.

        So, you go ahead and use whatever abnormal (in my opinion) life lessons you grew up with to march into hell with not just 4 more years of the Obama administration, but 12 more years of the devastating Obama/Clinton administration.

        Blindly following someone just because someone tells you they are good is STUPID.

      • JC

        Alex says:

        September 27, 2012 at 8:20 am

        Pat1776–show me ONE place where Capitalism has EVER worked. It does not, has not ever, and never will work…
        ________________________________________________________________________

        Show me one place where it’s ever existed. We’ve never had free market capitalism in the US. Never. We’ve always had government involvement in the so called Free Market. That’s called cronyism and it has GOT to go!
        Restore the Republic and Abolish the Fed
        And maybe then we can have a Constitutional Republic.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 27, 2012 at 8:54 am

        Alex says — “The nation is moving forward—History knows it as “progress”—and your antiquated values are being swept into the ashcan where they belong”.

        Freedom is antiquated?

        Alex never mentioned freedom you injected that and went on to change the whole subject Alex was addressing. You spin spin spin spin and and that is what you always do, you twist what everyone says and then often point us 90% of the time to propaganda sites to support all your BS. Are you even aware of your folly????????????

  • Alex

    Wayne—you need to chill, man! This election which you KNOW, in spite of your fevered blathering to the contrary, is lost to you, to Mitt & Mutt and the GOP, is taking a toll on you—-every time I see you you have less hair…

    • Paul Wells

      Yeah, and every time you post Alex, you have less sense!

      • JUKEBOX

        That’s just Wayne’s brain expanding faster than the liberals.

  • Michael J.

    Rasmusen and Gallop are reporting a virtual dead heat in spite of the fact that Obama enjoys lock-step support of the Mainstream Media, Unions, Hollywood and Academia. With this in mind, Obama should be 20 points ahead of Romney, but is instead running neck and neck according to semi reliable pollsters.

    While on the subject of pollsters,I consider it my civic duty to tutor everyone within earshot, both orally and virtually of the inacuracy by design of polling statistics by other than the aforementioned, and the over sampling of democrats by Obama supporting Troll Pollsters. Their cooked polling results are designed to convince the opposition to discontinue writing checks in support of Romney’s campaign and hoodwinking Romney voters into staying home on election day.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Romney supporter, and however distasteful, my actions on election day will be to vote against Obama.
    I liken the choice to being diagnosed by Dr. Rothschild with terminal/inoperable cancer and consenting to massive doses of Chemo-Theraphy as a last ditch effort to survive so that I might live to fight another day.

    • Smilee

      The polls no longer show this as a dead heat in the swing states where the election in the end will be decided as they show after the new polls yesterday that in these state many show Obama with a double digit lead including swings towards him on the economy etc. These are real bad numbers for Romney

      • DaveH

        It won’t really matter because either way we lose and the Leaders win.

        The only Principled vote is a vote for Gary Johnson, the only man who will actually make an effort to shrink the Leviathan Federal Government:
        Gary has to sue to get into the Presidential Debates because the Powers That Be know he would upset their Applecarts in a major way:
        http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/u-s-news-world-report-gary-johnson-sues-to-get-into-presidential-debates

      • DaveH

        It won’t really matter whether Romney or Obama wins. If either wins, the people lose. The only Principled Votes will go to Gary Johnson:
        http://www.youtube.com/user/pjt3488?v=JBXgLUSbZnU

        • Smilee

          Another one of your exercises in futility that you have become so famous for.

      • DaveH

        The PTBs are so terrified of Gary Johnson giving the people a real education that he must sue to get into the Presidential Debates:
        http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/Ken-Walshs-Washington/2012/09/24/gary-johnson-sues-to-get-into-presidential-debates

      • alpha-lemming

        This is true…. but
        Pollsters and the media elite are still in rooting mode. You won’t get REAL numbers until about 2 weeks before the election at which they’ll have to accurately report in order to save face and insure the $$$ keep rollin’ in the next go ’round.

      • Flashy

        Unless you know the bias of the polling sample and questions…which all have to some degree…the numbers themselves aren’t worth much to hold water with. Look form the trends…in today’s world, trends are the most reliable use of polls.

        • Smilee

          yes, and the polls have been trending Obama for a month now!!

      • DaveH

        Sleepee says — “Another one of your exercises in futility that you have become so famous for”.
        Then why do you Liberal Progressives spend so much time trying to silence me with your childish manipulative techniques, Sleepee?
        I have shown many people the path to reality. That must greatly disturb your handlers, eh Sleepee? Now go back to your nap.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 27, 2012 at 9:38 am

        Then why do you Liberal Progressives spend so much time trying to silence me with your childish manipulative techniques

        Davie, no one is trying to silence you, are you becoming paranoid, we are not trying to do the impossible only to point out to you your misguided thought processes.

        I have shown many people the path to reality.

        WOW ??????? That’s a joke, right????????????

        That must greatly disturb your handlers, eh

        I only speak for myself, it is more likely it is you who has handlers as there is not enough time in a day to find all those propaganda sites and read them and then all these posts and refer us so often to them. Give it up davie, your not fooling anyone really.

    • 45caliber

      Michael J.

      Remember, all polls are made to support whoever is paying for them. And they are made for the purpose of shifting public opinion as the payer wants it shifted. And right now all polls are being taken by groups that have an interest in getting Oblama reelected. The MSM has tried for years to insist that the politician MUST have them on his side if he expects to win and MUST do whatever they want to get them on his side.

      I saw an article last week that commented that all polls are about 15 points off in Oblama’s favor because of this reason.

      • Liberty Lover

        Given the lack of ethics at the MSM and “academic” institutions typically conducting these polls, would it surprise anyone if their intentional bias went beyond the skewing of samples to favor Democrats? Journalism whores should be expected to be polling whores as well. I agree that Gallup and Rasmussen are the ones to watch. Keep in mind also that when intensity of interest is measured, it invariably favors Republicans these days.

  • http://gravatar.com/votedagainstcarter votedagainstcarter

    Seems we have some libratard trolls on the loose,.. ie alex, kg, and jon,…

    Silly little libratard trolls,.. back under the bridge with you and off to huf po. More your speed.

    • Alex

      You certainly prove the point I have been making for years: Fright Wingers prefer their information nicely packaged from a single source–thus your discomfort at seeing intelligent posters in what you consider your domain. HAA!!

      Many more Left Wing people watch Fox News than Reich Wingers who watch, say, MSNBC. That is because WE filter variant opinion from a number of sources in order to more fully grasp an issue, while those lost on the Right rarely venture from the squawking points given by drug-addicted pedophile Rush Limbaugh or the hot air they suck from the Faux Noose tailpipe.

      • Michael J.

        Alex,
        So does it cause you to bleed when watch PMSNBC or are you post premenstral?

      • stopspending

        Reason leftists watch Fox is because they gain information. Watching MSNBC is a total waste of time because what they present is twisted, half truths, lies or they just decide they do not have enough information to present the truth on an issue.
        Glad to see that the left also agrees with this.

      • DaveH

        Alex,
        Your nonsense doesn’t stand up to any kind of intelligent scrutiny. That’s why your typical comments are laced with adolescent manipulative techniques.

      • TexasRide

        Alex, instead of being a typical libturd with no brain of your own, are you trying to become “enlightened” by the truth…

        I am sure Fox appreciates you libs boosting it numbers.

        Glad to see that Rush is getting to you libs! Otherwise, you wouldn’t waste your time calling him a drug-addicted pedophile. That is going nowhere…

      • JUKEBOX

        That’s better than toking on Obama’s giant bong in the Oval Office and DNC headquarters.

      • Frank Kahn

        First of all Alex, what crystal ball are you using to keep track of what news I watch? For your information I dont watch any news at any time whatsoever.

        Also, just because I see the truth about how bad a leader Obama is does not make me a right winger, or a racist. It does not tell you where I get my information either. And calling us names like Reicht winger (implying we are Nazi’s) is degrading to your credibility.

      • 45caliber

        stop:

        Most of MSNBC is not reporting news – it is editorializing. In fact, that is done on many MSM stations. Stop and think: how many of their stories actually report things like who, what, where, when, why, and how? Very few indeed. Most report “because” – which is editorializing – which should NEVER be on a news program.

  • braindeadus

    I for one will not be voting for that negro Obama, and that white trash Romney. They are one in the same both white and black and arrogant. One has destroyed and one will make it even worse for the American people. We are living in a socialist country run by a polical system that does not believe in the constitution of their people. It’s time we vote both parties out of office before it’s to late. I for one will write in Ron Paul, and I am sure millions
    will do the same.

    • Alex

      God, I hope you are right, braindead!! Millions of people voting for the racist Ron Paul will allow the thinking people of the country to sleep better at night, knowing that Hillary Clinton will take the keys to the White Guy’s House from Barack Obama and not Mitt Romney.

      Please work really hard, braindead, and get LOTS of your Fright Wing friends to vote for Paul!!

      • Michael J.

        Alex,
        Confucious say, Man who go to bed with Larry Sinclair in White House, wake-up with Barry on finger.

      • JC

        Oh Look…Alex plays his only card again…the “race” card.
        How incredibly boring…is that all they taught you before sending you here?

    • stopspending

      I suggest that if you feel that strongly about Paul that you have to write him in knowing he has no chance of winning, you just go ahead and leave the country now. You seem to hate this country so please, do us a favor, and leave. If you are not willing to help correct the problem, there is no need for you to stay here and accept all the great things this country has to offer.

    • moonbeam

      braindeadus – Are you braindead? Paul is no longer in the running. Thanks for handing BO the butcher knife. May you reap what you sow.

  • Louis Lemieux

    James Simons, a Long Island investor and philanthropist, has not given a cent to President Obama’s re-election campaign this year. http://nyti.ms/PHeJdP

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLY FROM AUSTRALIA

    The biggest problem is that whilst Romney might be ahead with the middle class White vote, whites are in the minority and this puts Obama well ahead with the majority ie everyone elses vote…..is the only way I see it. OBAMA WINS…Whose fault? Republicans chose pretty boy Romney instead of the wise old man Dr Ron Paul. Republicans and their supporters have wasted $billions promoting the loser.

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Gilly:
      Right on with your assessment!! You see sir, all Obama needs is 33% of the white vote to win. He’s polling between 38-41% with whites. Thanks to how the Repubs. didn’t take the advice of the late William F.Buckley, late Jack Kemp with recent retired talk show host, Tony Brown, and appeal to all people. They’re in a rut. The best bet is wait to 2016, and Rubio/Watts ticket will bring the GOP back to days of glory in the W.H. Thanks!!

      • Alex

        Do you mean MARCO Rubio? Sarcasm, right? I get it…

        Rubio, like so many Miami Cubans, wants only to return the island nation to the brothel/casino for Ameikkkan playboys it was before the Revolution.

        Rubio’s parents “loved” Cuba SO much, they ran, suitcases stuffed with cash, rather than fight for the country they so revered!

        Rubio/Watts—or any other Reich Wing ticket—will be scorched by Hillary Clinton in 2016, setting up back-to-back TWO-TERM Democratic Presidencies.

      • TexasRide

        Tony, if the pubs lose this one, I doubt there will ever be another conservative president (maybe not ever another president…a dictator instead.)

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Alex and Tex. Ride:
        First to Alex, honestly man, no offense intended but will you take a flying leap and meet the devil, huh? Next, you support Hiterly Sillary Thunderthighs in 2016, she supports the insane U.N. ban on individual fire arms. Only tyrants support such measures. Is this the type of society you want !?! RE-EVALUATE!! Next to Tex Ride, there will be an election in 2016. Lets be in touch with reality. Therefore, 2016 will be Rubio/Watts elected to the W.H. and Rubio is a legitimate citizen eligible to be President. Thus everyone keep the faith and be patient. Also, conservatives and Gop supporters need to look at this to understand we have to reach out to everyone. http://video.msnbc.msn.com/hardball/49155182#49155182. Study this link carefully. Thanks ,Tony
        P.S. To Nc, i’m not white and the Rubio with Watts are not anglo-whites neither. When i last checked Rubio is Latino and J.C.Watts is black-african american. Don’t make stereotypical assumptions in the future. Have a good day!!

      • TexasRide

        Again, there will not be another conservative ever elected as president, if we lose this election and get four-more-years of the muslim fraud working toward flying the black flag over the White House. I know that is difficult for you to imagine, as you don’t realize the extent that we have been infiltrated. The American people appear helpless to stop our slide into the NWO. Our government has been hijacked while our representatives have been willing and agreeable to giving up its power.

        As for Rubio, he is a Cuban with an agenda. It is not one that Americans would welcome.
        Nor, is he a “Natural Born Citizen.” He was born here, but not to American parents. They were both citizens of another country at the time of his birth. Rubio has divided loyalties as do many Cubans and other foreigners.

      • moonbeam

        Tony, Rubio is INELIGIBLE and cannot be considered for any presidential ticket. He does NOT fit the requirements to run for POTUS. We already have a liar in office who also is ineligible. Enough is enough. NO MAS!

    • stopspending

      Go back to Australia. Ron Paul, while he has many good ideas, was determined by the majority of voters to not be right for the country. Maybe sometime in the future but not now. All you rabid Paul fans, decide if you would like to continue to run huge deficits, take away more freedoms, enlarge the government. If so, vote Obama.Obama has alread told us he will continue with the same policies for the next four years because he thinks it will take that long for them to work. If you would like to see some of Paul’s ideas put into action, vote Romney. Those are really the only two choices.

      • DaveH

        Actually, the majority of voters did not know what Ron Paul stood for. Those who did hear Ron Paul speak voted in majority for Ron Paul:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#Candidate_Totals

        An unfortunate reality of modern day elections — ignorant people get to vote. Unfortunate for the People, that is. Fortunate for the Leaders.

      • nc

        STOPSPENDING, where did the previous 8 years before Obama get us! Were you around in 2000 when bush and the Heritage Foundation were telling,no, promising, Americans how mush stronger the American economy would be than the record setting one we were living in, IF we adopted HIS trickle down fiscal policy? Well, the Republican controlled congress gave it too him HOOK,LINE, AND SINKER! AND what were the results 8 years later? 2.1 million job losses IN ONE YEAR and a stock market in a nose dive toward 6547!

        YOU may have missed that or just chose to deny it but 66+million Americans didn’t miss it in 2008. In fact they were beginning to realize before 2006 that trickle down was going the way of Hoover, Nixon and “daddy bush” economies!To the pits!!

        This site is 99% white and 99% anti Obama but so they were before the 2008 elections and Obama still won! i cannot believe that Romney with all the money spent by him is not winning big in the polls! What will Romney say when asked at the debates how much his tax plan for for the rich Americans will save him personally and he tells Americans that is none of their business and he will not release his tax returns! DO YOU SEE THAT ANSWER GETTING HIM A BIG BUMP FROM STRUGGLING AMERICANS???IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE THAT IT MAY NOT BE THEIR BUSINESS BUT MY GUT FEELING IS THAT THEY WON’T SEE IT THAT WAY>LOOK FOR HIM TO FLIP FLOP AGAIN AND RELEASE THEM BEFORE THE DEBATES!

      • DaveH

        NC says — “This site is 99% white”.
        And you know that how, NC? You get more ridiculous by the day.

      • JC

        I resent being called “white”.
        I’m Irish-American Dammit!
        How dare he refer to my “color” in any way shape or form
        nc Must be a Racist!. ;-)

      • eddie47d

        Then what is your EXALTED opinion then Dave H on those percentages. I bet 99% is a fairly accurate number.

  • Dussty1

    Everyone who votes for Obama deserve EXACTLY MORE OF THE SAME. If you have children, they will enjoy their careers at McDonald’s, if they’re lucky enough to get a job. Or else they can stay at home, watch “The View” and let the government tell them what to think. Good Luck.

    • Patriot1776

      I agree with you Dussty, except that michelle obama will probably force McDonalds to close for lack of nutritious foods and serving too large portions.

    • TexasRide

      I doubt anyone will be watching The View. We won’t have unlimited, inexpensive electricity. Few will be able to afford it. Obama stated something like, “The cost of electricity will understandably have to skyrocket.”

  • http://www.cindynel.co.za peter

    99% of black voters support Obama because he has done such an amazing job for America and it’s citizens and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he is half caste, or so they will tell you. Even half caste will do in this case – half black is better than no black. They are the folks who call the whites racists! Heaven help us all.

  • David Taylor

    This may be the ultimate reason to vote Republican. When a Republican, or conservative is in office, the MSM does it job, inform, entertain, incite. They don’t believe a word they say, trust anything they do, and never assume that the elected official is doing anything without some kind of conspiracy behind it. Vote Republican! The Media has given us no choice.

    • nc

      david, lets go over a few things about the MSM!

      ROMNEY IS A LIAR!!

      ROMNEY IS THE WORST REPUBLICAN IN AMERICA!

      ROMNEY CAN’T WIN THE ELECTION!!

      All said by the MSM about Romney???

      NOPE!!! ALL OF IT WAS SAID BY GUESS WHO??? FELLOW REPUBLICANS WHO HAD KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS!!

      If the MSM was anti Romney they could not have hit him harder than his fellow Republicans!!

      • momo

        Yeah, we get it, you don’t like Romney. Now take your meds.

      • moonbeam

        “ROMNEY IS A LIAR!!” and a flip flopper. Makes you wonder how he ever managed to conceive children without a p-pump. They make a lot of noise but I hear they work.

        • Liberty Lover

          Just want to compliment you on the perfect screen name! Couldn’t be a better descriptor for your lunacy.

  • Patrick Henry

    Mr Root’s analysis explains much about the results Obama seeks from his Mideast policy, domestic economic and energy policies, health care policies and especially illegal immigration policy. The middle class – the bourgeoisie – is the enemy. Read V. I. Lenin, if you want to read Obama’s play book. ( And do it BEFORE you decide to flame me for the suggestion!)

    But the great question, disturbing and perplexing, is WHY the intensity and extensiveness – near unanimity – of the MSM bias? I suspect the answers are uglier than some of us are willing to imagine.

    • Flashy

      What particular speech or book by Lenin are you referring to that you suggest we use to compare?

      Jeesh …

      • Alex

        Odds are that everything Pat Henry knows about Lenin he got from Wikipedia. Most likely one of those guys who reads three or four paragraphs about a person, place, or issue and then proceeds to pontificate as though an expert….

      • momo

        Let’s start with State and Revolution, of course there’s always On Trade Unions, Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism to name just a few. I’m sure Alex, with his vast knowledge of Marxism and revolution, can name more than I.

      • DaveH

        Let he, who is without sin, Alex, cast the first stone.
        You of all people have no legs to stand on, Alex.

      • JUKEBOX

        Alex and Flashy need to read Mein Kampf to find out their Herobama’s agenda.

      • Flashy

        Read it. Doubtful you have …

      • DaveH

        It serves no purpose to say what you’ve read, Flashman, because you have no credibility on this board.
        Tell us your Sniper story again, Flashman.

      • eddie47d

        Dave H always wears his cargo pants which are filled with stones! LOL

      • momo

        DaveH says:
        September 27, 2012 at 11:25 am
        It serves no purpose to say what you’ve read, Flashman, because you have no credibility on this board.
        Tell us your Sniper story again, Flashman.

        Flashy has a sniper story? Oh please tell it.

      • DaveH
      • moonbeam

        To momo. I got a cousin named momo. momo, is that you? It’s ME, the freckled one. Your mom (RIP), my dad (RIP) are bro and sis. If so, HEY CUZ!

        • Frank Kahn

          I am assuming moonbeam is not your real name, I could be wrong there were many unusual names given out in the 70′s. But if it is a monicker instead of a real name, why would you assume that Momo is their real name. In Tagalog (Philippines) Momo means vampire, and is sometimes just used to mean mythological monster.

  • FreedomRules

    American values are what made this country the greatest country ever in history, young dumb Alex. American values are our only hope for the future. Your description of American values is completely off base as I’m sure you know nothing of what they actually are being you’ve been brain washed since an early age. It is the moving away from American Values that we find ourselves where we are today my ignorant freind. You, and others like you, will never replace American Values if it takes a civil war. You know, deep down, Obama is a disaster but you’re just too stubborn, or affraid, to admit it. It’s okay to let it out, you’re simpleton freinds will eventually except you again.

    • Alex

      I am probably older than you, FreedumbRules—old enough to know that this country, contrary to your delusional dreamland, is the WORST country ever–THEE most Evil of Empires.

      Consider: while both Nazi Germany and the USSR used ethnic cleansing, genocide, biological weapons, weapons of mass destruction, forced labor, etc—we have, as well—-and we have done it for a lot longer!

      God surely does not consider lines drawn across the Earth by people driven by greed and power as anything to get puffed-up about, and so is not in the business of ‘blessing’ particular countries. But if God were to actually DAMN a country, it would certainly be us, as we are the most unGodly nation, in spite of all our pious posturing.

      • momo

        If you hate this country so much, why not just leave? Planes fly to different countries everyday, why not be on one? All that rage can’t be good for your health.

      • DaveH

        And what do you do to change that, Alex?
        Besides personally attacking those who disagree with you?

      • gunner689AI

        Alexia and Kg (B) are those most pathetic of Americans; they hate our Nation but are not too proud to live here and reap the benefits of freedom and prosperity. It takes all kinds to make a country, even domestic enemies. Wait, I think I hear Joe Stalin calling them home.

      • eddie47d

        Wizzz! Better duck fast for Dave H just threw another stone. Zing! There goes another one!!

      • 45caliber

        Alex:

        There are some nice countries in Africa who would be glad to welcome you with open arms – particularly if you bring some American dollars with you. Somalia comes to mind. I’m sure they would welcome someone there who hates the US so much.

      • 45caliber

        Oh, and Alex?

        I think this rant explains why you are so in favor of Oblama being reelected. You want him to finish his efforts to destroy the USA.

      • JC

        Alex says:
        September 27, 2012 at 8:07 am
        I am probably older than you, FreedumbRules—old enough to know that this country, contrary to your delusional dreamland, is the WORST country ever–THEE most Evil of Empires.
        ______________________________________________________________________
        Well you still have one freedom left dipstick.
        The freedom to GTF Out!

  • Alex

    Female Voter Gap trumps White Voter Gap+ Romney is toast.

    The big question now is how long it will take–this general election or the off-year 2014 election— to sweep the Teabag House–the LOWEST -RATED House in its 200-odd year history—clean.

    If the Democratic Party can hold the Senate, they must immediately rewrite their rules, which they are allowed to do, and return to a simple majority 51 vote standard. This will put an end to the crybaby GOP filibustering.

    When Hillary Clinton takes office in 2017 she will most likely have a Democratically-controlled House and Senate, and by adding to whatever Supreme Court choices
    president Obama has made, maybe this country will finally grow up and act like an adult.

    • momo

      You can predict the future? You ought to buy a lottery ticket.

      • JUKEBOX

        By voting for Obama, Alex is buying a losing lottery ticket!

    • Realist

      When a first term politician is found to be incompetent, you vote them out, plain and simple. It makes good reason that any incumbents are bought from constant visits from lobbyists. If you continue to re-elect incumbents, you get what you deserve. There is truly no honorable politician and none that truly represent “we the people”. Purge out the bad apples at every election, out with the old, in with the new. Eventually, the public servants will begin to realize who they really work for. We have that power, we have that authority but most of you are on Superbowl and NASCAR mode. (Let’s vote for the cutest loser that the committees have appointed for us) RNC/DNC are both lobbyist supported and have already decided who will best support their globalist agenda. The acceleration of all this started with Clinton’s GATT and NAFTA and it had slid downhill since at an accelerated rate. Enjoy the ride and get out more salsa for the returns!

  • Elected4Life

    Who says the OWS protesters are all unemployed? Some of them are getting paid by socialists liberal supporters to be shill bloggers on great sites like this!

    Must be doing something right PLD, keep it up!

  • DaveH

    Wayne says — “Media bias to this extent is expected in Russia, Venezuela or Iran”.
    It’s expected here also by anybody who’s really been paying attention all these decades.

    • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLY FROM AUSTRALIA

      Who should worry about media biais when the Republicans have spent enough to buy out the media…but alas the public dont believe the fictional media anyway or the ads, they know what they see around them and their pockets and the Democrate policies and the proposed Republican policies and promises. The public will believe less of the media now that Julian Assange and his internet media has become an enermy of the US for passing on the truth…makes you think the general media are making up the news and other info now eh? And then you have all those government workers who are voters too, who are scared of losing their jobs with those govt programs the Republicans want to close down….you cant expect them to vote to get sacked, can you….?

      • DaveH

        Gilly,
        Read this book to learn why True Capitalism would Free us all and make us prosperous, and why the Leaders work so hard to thwart it:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • Alex

        DaveH–Why can you not say what YOU want to say? Why are you always sending people down rabbit holes? Nobody cares what the discredited Ludwig von Mises Institute has to say.

        Act like a big boy and tell us what YOU think…..

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Alex,

          You write: “Nobody cares what the discredited Ludwig von Mises Institute has to say.” Actually many people do, apparently. Just not fools like you. Here are a few of the senior scholars at Mises.
          John P. Cochran is the dean of the School of Business and a professor of economics at the Metropolitan State College of Denver.
          Thomas James DiLorenzo is professor of economics at Loyola University He is the author or co-author of 10 books, on subjects such as antitrust, group-interest politics, and interventionism generally.
          David Gordon is a philosopher, historian, and senior fellow. He was educated at UCLA, where he earned his PhD in intellectual history. He is author of three books and editor and co-editor of two publications and regular contributor to many more.
          Jeffrey M. Herbener is a professor of economics at Grove City College and a senior fellow.
          Hans-Hermann Hoppe (b. 1949) is Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and Distinguished Fellow.
          Jörg Guido Hülsmann (born May 18, 1966) is a professor of economics at the University of Angers in France and adherent of the Austrian School. He has edited six books and is the author of two more. He has translated several renowned economics books into German and written many articles in English, French, and German. He is a contributor to scholarly journals and is the director of the Austrian Research Seminar in Paris.
          Joseph T. Salerno is a professor at Pace University, an editor of the Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics, and Academic Vice President of the Mises Institute. Salerno specializes in monetary theory and policy, comparative economics, and the history of economic thought.
          Thomas E. Woods, Jr. (born August 1, 1972) is an American historian and New York Times bestselling author. He holds a Bachelor’s Degree from Harvard University and a Ph.D. in history from Columbia University. He served as a history department faculty member at Suffolk County Community College in New York until 2006, and is now resident scholar and senior faculty member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute (LvMI) in Auburn, Alabama, as well as a member of the editorial board for Libertarian Papers[2].
          He was an ISI Richard M. Weaver Fellow in 1995–96. Woods was also the recipient of the 2004 O.P. Alford III Prize for Libertarian Scholarship and of an Olive W. Garvey Fellowship from the Independent Institute in 2003. He has additionally been awarded two Humane Studies Fellowships and a Claude R. Lambe Fellowship from the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University. Woods is co-editor of Exploring American History: From Colonial Times to 1877, an eleven-volume encyclopedia.

          As there are best-selling and widely published authors, college professors and paid speakers on the list, apparently many people care what they have to say.

          Now, Alex, please tell us your credentials. How many books have you authored? Journals edited? Articles published? Classes taught? Please tell us about your degrees.

          Also, please inform the readers how the Ludwig von Mises Institute is “discredited”?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Liberty Lover

            Alex an author? Should I look in the fiction section? Grinning ear to ear, Bob.

      • JC

        Alex says:

        September 27, 2012 at 10:16 am

        DaveH–Why can you not say what YOU want to say? Why are you always sending people down rabbit holes? Nobody cares what the discredited Ludwig von Mises Institute has to say.
        _______________________________________________________________________

        Discredited by whom? Making stuff up again Alex?

  • Flashy

    LOL….one can see, read, and listen to the growing desperation within the GOP as the People begin to show their rejection of anything tainted by the GOP. The voters, for the most part, are not dull oxen to be led then harnessed to the plow.

    I wrote back in the Spring when a PLD article was crowing about the odds looking as if they would succeed in destroying this nation and replacing this president. It wasn’t going to happen. That reasoning was plain, direct, and simple. In this presidential election, the GOP candidate offered no vision. The theme was to slam, berate, and criticize. There was no positive message. Negativity will not win a presidential election.

    The second reason was the extremism of the GOP. From the presidential ticket on down. People may run to listen to an extremist. But they will not feel safe nor the nation in stable hands with an extremist. And the TP extremists have taken over the GOP and basically guaranteed the rejection of any of that philosophy.

    The third was the rejection of the future and the promise to tear it down and return to the past. That is not American thought, American spirit, American nature.

    The body may have been warm, but the death throes even then present.

    What wasn’t settled then, and worrsome to many of those Americans who are the ones wanting to move this nation to greater heights of glory, power, and continue the journey back from the black abyss that the GOP policies and their 30 year war in redistributing wealth from the Middle Class to the wealthy elites … policies which privatized profit and socialized losses and created an entrenched welfare class of wealthy … was the Congressional slates. Back then, it looked as though the GOP would control both Houses of Congress and thwart any meaningful policies which would return this nation to the greatness a strong, healthy Middle Class creates.

    Now it appears the Senate will stay in control by the Democrats. Still nip and tuck, but as the TRENDS of the polls are showing, bets would be safer they retain the Senate.

    Two things are occurring in the battle for the House in Congress. First, Romney is getting killed and unless he pulls off a clear win in next week’s debate, Pres. Obama will sweep the floor with his carcass come November. Even now, take a gander when the two candidates make appearances. Romney stands alone, Pres. Obama carries the Congressional candidates at his appearances.

    Watch Karl Rove and where the financing goes. That’s a key. Rove will throw the money to save the House for the GOP if it comes to tossing money to a loser in the Presidential race. Where Rove spends that super PAC money are those seats which will be going either way come election day.

    The second occurrence? Will the media and the voters ask of the candidates what their vision is. If it comes down to “where will you take us?”…the GOP loses the House. For they offer the past. Americans, by their very nature, look to the future.

    • Alex

      A+

      • DaveH

        F-

      • Flashy

        So DaveH…you’re taking the stance that neither Paul or Johnson, both offering a vision, would stand a chance and that the GOP slate promising a revisit of the past and stagnation for a forward future would prevail over any vision of Paul or Johnson? That optimism and positive thought would fall before negativity? That the People welcome extremists running the government?

        Interesting. let me guess..you couldn’t find any title in Mises or Heritage you could paste a link to to pretend you are intellectual aware …

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “So DaveH…you’re taking the stance that neither Paul or Johnson, both offering a vision, would stand a chance”.

        You got all that from my F- comment, Flashman? Wow, you’re good.

      • Flashy

        Yes DaveH…that is essentially what you state. I gave the reasons the GOP presidential ticket was dead meat and was in the death throes back in Spring (when i first detailed the above reasons). The primaries knocked out any GOP candidate which offered vision and a forward path. A general contains the entire population of Americans…and extremism, negativity, and no future path will never win a general when there is a candidate offering the opposite.

        .

      • DaveH

        I must admit you’re probably right, Flashman. It is doubtful that the Propagandized majority will ever fully catch on to the lies that you and your kind feed them to keep Power. But I will keep trying.

  • Chris Condon

    I find it difficult to believe that Obama is a lock to win the election, as the news media now say. In spite of all the hoopla about Obama’s spectacular win in 2008, Obama still took only 52.9% of the vote, hardly a landslide. No one seriously believes that Obama’s support is nearly as strong this time, which means that he will score well below the 52.9% he got last time. So how is this a lock for Obama?

    • Smilee

      Never the less he most likely will win!!!!

      • Flashy

        Most presidential elections have winning margins within 4-5 % point spread of the popular vote. 4% (52-48%) is generally considered a landslide mandate.

  • RobinPC

    When I was a young boy living in Louisiana at all public restrooms there were two signs, one said whites only, the other colored. Some said niggers only. I wonder what sign is on tzhe white house bathroom doors?

    • Paul Wells

      Says: “Apply for food stamps, welfare, government assistance, free health care here”

  • Jess

    There is only one poll that matters, the one on election day. I just wonder though, if Obama wins, will the right cry voter fraud?

    • Alex

      Of course they will. They are the party of whiners.

      • Liberty Lover

        Republicans are the party of wiinners; Democrats are the party of needful whiners. And that won’t change regardless of which party wins the WH in November.

      • Karolyn

        Amen! Wah! Wah! Wah! Things didn’t got our way!

      • Steve E

        At least they won’t blame it on an obscure Youtube video like Obama did.

      • DaveH

        Whiners?
        Feed me! Clothe me! Shelter me! Give me Free Health Care! Wah! Wah! Wah!

        The Democrats are the Party of Thieves. The Republicans have their own lack of Principles. Either way the people lose.

    • Smilee

      They always do when they lose!!! Do not expect it to be different this time!

    • gunner689AI

      Yes, because it will be true. Why do you think they are fighting the voter id laws so hard ?
      Remember ACORN ? how many people did jail time over that election fraud organization ?

      • Flashy

        The number of people who commit voter fraud by filing multiple ballots or under false IDs can be counted on one hand … 99.9999999% of election fraud is committed by election officials. The State of Pennsylvania could not cite one instance…NOT ONE … where there was fraud by an individual voter.

        Voter ID laws are for one purpose, disenfranchisement.

        Isn’t it ironic that self styled TP “patriots” are for gun ownership and packing guns easier, and making voting more difficult. Now why would they want to limit who votes? ….

      • Patriot1776

        Flashy, how does showing an ID make voting more difficult? We require that here in Georgia and it seems to work just fine. As most people drive to the polling stations, it is probable that they already have IDs. The same ID that gets their food stamps and entitlement checks works.

        It does make it more difficult for non-registered voters and illegal aliens because they have to match to the list of registered voters and have their names marked off once they’ve voted.

      • Flashy

        Patriot…let’s say one person can’t afford to get Photo ID. Let’s take the minimum…one person. Now, with the fact that no one can cite any case where an individual committed voter fraud, why should we enact a law that decreases the number who may vote?

        Facts are facts…fraud by a voter is non-existent. By election officials we have tale after tale…dead people and ghosts are favorites…as are missing ballot boxes etc.

        So why should we say…Mr. Voter, you can’t vote. with no evidence to support any of the evil deeds claimed?

      • Alex

        Another A+ for Flashy.

      • gunner689AI

        voter fraud in all it’s forms, is a cornerstone of the demorat party voting base. Why else would they fight so hard against a simple voter id requirement. I very much care that an illegal voter can nullify my vote.

        • Gea

          Obama eletion machinery may steal election by using absentee votes, which are now rampant in any state that allows unlimited absentee voting, such as Ohio, which had 30% of registered voters requesting absentee ballot. I smell Obama rat, who wants to keep onto power in America rather then be tried for treason of American values and go back to where he came from:

          http://donboys.cstnews.com/no-criticism-of-islam-they-cant-defend-their-irrational-religion

          It is astounding that any American would give any consideration to the demand by the Muslim world that the U.S. should annul the First Amendment to our Constitution to forbid any criticism (speaking truth) about Islam! As I carefully parse my words I want to make it clear that any U.S. official who even considers such a rape of our treasured document is a traitor. I am not speaking symbolically or hyperbolically but literally. Such a person is a traitor making Tokyo Rose look like a misguided school girl and Benedict Arnold look like a rebellious Boy Scout. The most astounding is that Barak Hussein Obama is doing just that: Undermining US Constitution from the Oval Office and nobody sees traitor of American values and American diplomats in this man!

          Americans better wake up to what this BIG Musllm Brother Marxist has in mind for the next 4 years to finish US off.

      • gunner689AI

        Flashy, were those two apes standing outside the voting poll in Philly., with billy clubs, Tea Party Memebers ? Too bad they weren’t; maybe Holder would have done his job.

  • FreedomRules

    Romney will win, and by a much larger percentage than people think. Obama’s done and will forever be the worst President in our nations history! Lucky for Jimmy C., he nolonger will carry that burden.

    • Alex

      You seriously believe that either Presidents Obama or Carter are worse presidents than Bush the Lesser, the man who allowed 911 to unfold as it did by ignoring specific warnings, gave up on Osama bin Laden (“I just don’t think about him that much, anymore.”), and hoping YOU wouldn’t think that much about him, either, distracted you by pouring 5000 of our children and a trillion dollars down the sewie hole in Iraq? REALLY?

      Bush the Lesser started TWO wars that were not even put on the books, knowing the bill would come due once he split for Texass! Typical neo-conartist habit: Run up deficit and bail, blame Democratic replacement for failure to clean up YOUR mess fast enough…

      This time, it appears, the people have become wise to the GOP game. By continuing to distance themselves from the real world people live in, the Reich Wing GOP has not only insured President Obama’s reelection, but also paved the way for Hillary Clinton to become our first woman president (dream on, Palin and Bachmann). The GOP has no chance to get back into the White Guy’s House until 2021 at the earliest.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Alex, for exposing the readers to the reality of Liberal Progressive logic.

      • Alex

        The truth sure does sting, doesn’t it DaveH?

      • momo

        Alex, you wouldn’t know truth if it hit you upside the head.

      • Realist

        Alex says (in part):
        “This time, it appears, the people have become wise to the GOP game. By continuing to distance themselves from the real world people live in,”
        _____________________________________________________________________
        Really Alex? The people have apparently not gotten wise enough to see that the current incumbent pulls the same reigns as the previous guy did and still, We are investing our people’s lives daily in the Afghan mountains to protect the Isreali poppy crop.
        We are still doing the same bail-outs and Quantitative easing as before and Harry Reed has still interfered with releasing the house approved budget again! What is it with you guys? You continue to swipe the card and not pay the bills…In reality you are swiping from my children! The people are seeing through all that party poop! The poor and the unemployed are going with Obama because he will guarantee them the handouts and you can’t blame them…Clinton’s administration made it possible for our manufacturing base to go outside the US and not have to pay any tariffs. Bush too! I am not defending either side but you have to admit neither side is slowing the decay and smell of the rotting meat of our constitution and our country’s sovereignty both sides are tending to the funeral and relish in the future death of the USA.

      • 45caliber

        momo:

        And like most libs, Alex totally misses what logic is!

      • momo

        45caliber, that’s because Alex is a self avowed socialist. Those people don’t work on logic, but emotions.

      • TexasRide

        Alex is living in an alternative universe where he projects all the behavior of whinny libturds on the conservatives.

        I want to know what makes Alex so hateful towards the country that treats him so well…

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        SO, “Alex,” YOU HAVE ADOPTED MY IDEAL … ” ‘White Guy’s House’ … “; HMN, INTERESTING. BUT, YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THE DATE – IT WILL BE BEFORE 2021.

  • metroman

    MEDIA GIVES PASS TO BHO:

    September 14, 2012 Denver Colorado Campaign speech of BHO:
    “Lets face it. A mixed kid from Hawaii born of a single mom is not likely to become president of the United States.”
    According to Hawaii records Obama Sr. married his mother Feb 2, 1960.
    BHO wrote a book titled “Dreams of my Father” and now I ask which father? Was it his biological father, his mothers husband or someone else? Why no questions on the subject.
    Now we learn on September 16, 2012 Julianna Smoot, Deputy Campaign Manager for president Obama that they are running a promotion “Dinner with the President on election day” and you will “learn a lot” about BHO and the flyer promotion continues:
    “His dad taught him to love jazz, his girls get crazy-embarrassed when he dances or sings in public, his dream job is starting point guard for the Chicago Bulls–and he really looks forward to sharing these meals with supporters like you.”

    So now I ask “who is this guy” that learned to love Jazz from a father that was a goat herder in Kenya and abandoned him the week of his birth?

    Why did he seal records such as:
    Passport records
    All college transcripts from all colleges he attended
    Why did he spend 2 million dollars in his efforts not to produce his live birth certificate in PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE vs. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET A 2008 and used Standing as a defense when all he needed to do was produce the birth certificate.
    Why when he finally produced a live birth certificate it turned out to be an obvious forged photoshop document posted on the White House web site.
    Why does he continue his efforts to block efforts of sheriff Arpaio?
    He travel to Pakistan with has Pakistan friend on spring break in 1981, a trip that was not a wise place to go as Pakistan was at war with Russia. Non-Muslim were band by the Pakistan Government unless on official business. Not a place for a young college kid on spring break.
    Where are his passport records for this trip?

    To be continued

    • gunner689AI

      I suspect that his college records are sealed because he went to school as a foreign exchange student.

      • Liberty Lover

        As Harry Reid would say, “the word is out that Obama attended college as a foreign exchange student.” Now prove us wrong!

  • Karolyn

    How about Obama being ahead in the key states of FL and OH by around 10 points, with a wide gap in the women’s vote. I’ve heard it said that Romney can’t win if he can’t get Ohio and FL.

    • Shaana

      Karolyn, don’t assume that because the polls say it, it is true. There many women out there, albeit not as vocal as you, who are voting for the candidate that has shown that he actually values women. Not the one who has the lowest paid female interns in his admin. Being a mom, looking at both sides of the story to get the truth, making informed decisions, but quieter. There are many more of us than there are of you…

      • DaveH

        There is a 3rd side to the story, Shaana, and it’s a Principled side:
        http://www.lp.org/

      • Flashy

        LOL…uh huh

        DavH…what did you score on the ‘test” ? (psst…FYI, it’s a common test for political ideology usually given to Pol Sci 101 students for their own FYI. There are four questions setting the point along the respective XY axis, thus one may answer three of those questions any way they want…they are irrelevant to scoring, but relevant in hiding the true determinant points.).

      • DaveH

        Nice snow job, Flashman. Only, you and I both know you’re spouting nonsense.

    • gunner689AI

      Karolyn, Hi !
      How’s business at the massage parlor ? Do you have an opening next Tuesday at 6 PM ?

    • 45caliber

      Karolyn:

      I’ve always been puzzled why the MSM thinks OH and FL are so important. Yes, they have several votes. But so do other states. And with Oblama losing other blue states, I’d say he has to do a lot of catchup if he expects to win at all.

      Incidently, whenever an incumberant is running neck and neck at this time of an election, he’s always lost. And EVERY President who has a major problem with the economy at the end of his first time loses, regardless of party. And after nearly four years, people no longer believe that Bush is at fault, particularly since things have gotten worse rather than better.

      • Flashy

        45….Ohio and Fl are important because without both, Romney is toast. he simply cannot win without taking Florida, and if he loses Ohio, he has to sweep the Mountain West along with Iowa, Wisconsin and take new Hampshire. In other words, he has to pull off a 7 for 7 sweep of the remaining swing states if he loses Ohio. With the trending of the polls, and assuming Romney can’t pull off a knock out win next week in the debate, i have Pres. Obama taking 317 Electoral votes. If Nevada swings over…323.

        As far as the historical context, I admit..had the GOP run even a half as*ed candidate, Obama would be in some serious hurt. But the wise voters of the Republican primaries gave us Romney.

        you point out correctly the economic situation and presidential elections. But I think, with research and intriews..that people do remember who bequeathed us this situation. getting right down to brass tacks, no one expected a miracle recovery, and the GOP in Congress fighting every step of the way, the European issues (and lessons)…people aren’t as blind and short memoried as the hype is from the Right.

        Bush is blamed..rightly so. Otherwise, he’d have been on the Convention stage.

        I forecast 10 years when the crash occurred before we erase or succumb to the effects. Erase if we have Obama’s policy proposals … succumb to an oligarchy of wealthy and corporate in all but appearance should we turn back to the past policies.

        As for employment, I’ll admit to blowing the call on this one. i screwed the pooch…in my defense, so did many others. I had thought the Stimulus would have acted as it should have. Created more Job Creators…i.e. Middle Class spenders. The more consumers buy, the more demand, the more expansion of production. What i didn’t see was what happened during the eight years of having the worst presidency ever to curse this nation.

        We came out of the Clinton economy in great shape. Then, with the capital shrinking from Day one when Bsuh said ‘it’s worse than you know”… he sent the economy from what all had predicted would be a flat line for a year or two…straight into a recession. At the worst possible time for manufacturing and business.

        What happened is business put of modernization and using the new tax rules as well as survival needs…wrung the most out of the industrial plant as possible. Modernization of our manufacturing plants was the lowest in 30 years during the Bush II administration. Our economy was humming not because of manufacturing..but from construction and credit. That’s all Bush survived on. Borrowed money.

        What the stimulus did was enable our productivity to go to record levels. We are producing more than ever before…with less workers. Businesses retooled with the monies. THAT is why we have such troublesome numbers. Robotics and efficiency.

        not only robotics, but the new ways to become efficient. I know a company who has new hires take a three week training course. in a building away from the HQ and production floor. New hires never see the plant for the first three weeks of employment. Executives, management, hourly on the floor employees…

        They are put through a training course. In changing how they ‘see’ and think. Not what ways to cut costs, but in how to look at something and make it more efficient. i’ve seen the data. It is amazing. Just by changing how people look at something, without increasing hours, without increasing work load/sweat, without cutting corners in quality etc….. between the cost and the increase, 10% difference than before the training program was implemented.

        So we as a nation have to retool. Education, retraining, infrastructure, banking and credit, both private and giovernment … all needs attention to catch up to our manufacturing.

        The best model to compete in the 21st century is three tiered. At the base, the foundation, a centralized state financed “foundation’ economy. That is where the government retrains, educates, rebuilds infrastructure, provides means of financing etc. (to me, the best of the best also includes public health to release that cost from business and consumers. yes, higher taxes…offset by more immediately available and used cash in hand month to month) We have a “private” middle tier of business in private hands utilizing the ‘foundation’ benefits provided by the government. That provides the creativity and growth as well as strengthens the middle…the Job Creators.

        And the third tier are the “big guys”. they need to be tamped down, but not killed off. The natural tendency to stifle the small guy needs to be curtailed. The take over of markets needs to be cut back. Vertical AND horizontal control of oligarchies to maintain ample room for growth in the middle.

        i’ve been accused of being a shill for this administration (paid or unpaid). That’s laughable. Yes, i agree with many of the social policies. I disagree and have criticisms for some actions and policies. I wholeheartedly agree with the foreign policies as it will create more markets and bring us to undisputed leadership once again where our culture and language will be adopted as the world grows together into a singular working unit..

        Bottom line…I think i see where the administration is taking us. And it coincides with my models of what would provide the best transition into the 21st century and. from 2020 onward, another American Century.

        • Frank Kahn

          Flashy, you say what we need but dont say how we do it.

          Remove the cost of health care from the business and the consumer? Who gonna be payin fer it, the gubment? The statement is of and in itself stupid. You cant remove the cost of healthcare from the consumer, no matter what machination you try to employ, they will always pay for it unless they are a simple non-working entitlement sucking leech. THE GOVERNMENT NEVER PAYS FOR ANYTHING, THE TAXPAYERS PAY FOR IT ALL.

          You are correct in there being a need to retool and re-invest in infrastructure, however Obamas infrastructure is BS. I agree that we need to fix the basic infrastructure like roads and bridges but, this is only Job creation in the sense of creating public funded (taxpayer paid for) jobs. It does not provide for large scale permanent employment. Infrastructure should be looked at in terms of business focus. How do we change our business economy from the military industrial complex into peaceful innovation and design. How do we go from research into new weapons systems into research into better ways to utilize the limited space and resources of our planet.

          Putting more money into families pockets is an honorable idea, how will you do it? More taxes for healthcare? More taxes for stimulus packages that dont create new jobs? NO, the only feasible way is to reverse inflation, and that is a very hard and slow process which is not being addressed by the current administration. Create new jobs by creating new business ideas.

          As to the cost of healthcare in this country, we need to get real on the needs of the healthcare professionals. Much of the insane cost of a hospital stay is caused by their insistence on having the most modern high tech diagnostic equipment. The cost of all this equipment is folded into the cost of a hospital room. We also need to stop subsidizing the healthcare of other nations. We pay all the research and development cost associated with medicine. It costs more than 4 times as much for a prescription in this country as opposed to say Canada. While our government might say that is fair to the other countries because they cant afford the higher prices, it is killing our senior citizens ability to afford the medicine they need to survive. Lets look to affordability here first. Nationalized healthcare insurance does nothing to address the high cost of the actual health care in this country so the AHC act is worthless. It simply changes the way everyone pays for it.

          Social Security benefits, here we need to restructure the paying of benefits. I will marginally agree that everyone who pays into it should receive a benefit from their contribution. However, in a realistic approach to the paying of benefits, it should be handled in a more “on basis of need” philosophy. Why would a millionaire need to receive $1,800 a month in SS when they retire? If the system was designed to help the poor to survive after retirement then lets only pay the benefits to the poor so there is enough money to go around.

          American greed is the cause of many of our problems and we cannot legislate it away but we can ignore their cries of unfair. Is it truly unfair for a poor person to get what they need to survive (food, shelter, clothing)? Tell the rich to stop their whining and help support the less fortunate working class. Tell the government to stop wasting the taxpayers money on unnecessary expenditures.

          These are my ideas for SOLUTIONS to the economic problem. Agree or disagree, you have to admit that I am at least trying to look at ways to solve the problem not just saying do something. We dont need people to just complain about the problem we need people to give us ideas how to solve it.

    • gunner689AI

      Poll results are based on whom you poll. If you go into the inner-city or the college campus and do the bulk of your survey what do you think the results will be ? The inverse would be true, but never happens, if you polled the military, veterans groups, or small business owners. The greatest internal threat to our Nations future is the liberal media who tries to control events.

  • Hey you

    Is it the “Democratic” party or is it the “Democrat” party?

    • Jefferson Thomas

      It is democrat party. There is nothing “democratic” about them. They are elitists who want to totally tear down what is left of our once great Constitutional Republic that was based on the rule of Law…Lex Rex not Rex Lex. Mr Obama and others like him wish to tear down individual freedom and rights and rule through decree with czars and other statist agencies.

      • Alex

        The term “czar” relative to American politics was introduced by the Evil Ronald Reagan.
        Faux Noose conveniently neglects that when the try to paint President Obama as a Marxist by throwing around the Russian term for ‘Ceasar’—czar.

      • TexasRide

        It is neither the democratic party or the democrat party, IT IS THE COMMUNIST PARTY.

      • 45caliber

        Alex:

        It always amuses me to see a lib comment like yours that has nothing to do with any of the arguments going on. LOL! However, I do thank you for the source of “czar”. I had no idea it was the Russian term for Ceasar.

    • Alex

      It is properly referred to as the Democratic Party.

      • gunner689AI

        when it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck it’s probably a duck.

      • 45caliber

        Since when?

  • Louis Lemieux

    What’s important to me is that I truly believe we have a form of government that is for the people by the people. Yes, I do have my preferences when the time comes to vote but I don’t make it a matter of life or death. I believe in the general wisdom of my fellow citizens and I will gladly accept the outcome of an election no matter what it is. As a group it’s possible for us NOT to make the best choice but I’m confident down the road with hindsight we adjust and head in the right direction. It’s alright to be serious about politics but not overly serious.To believe that Democrats or Republicans want the destruction of America is an insult to my fellow citizens and country.

  • http://newstips@personalliberty.com Anna

    Hello, I just want to say I try not to follow politics has a whole cause it can be very frustrating! I am sadden for how our country is going! I surely am not going to tell someone to believe in The Lord Jesus or the Bible but I do. I know Revelations will come to be, so I put my faith and peace in God! Unfortunately, I love my country but I see more people really caring less about God. If people really starting praying and putting time into The Lord instead of politics and if leaders of this nation really would come to a personal relationship with Christ. I believe this country wouldn’t have the gigantic problems it has! I will be praying for us all! I truly am a person of compassion for people, animals, our country, and the world. I am glad I am a follower of Jesus Christ cause he gives me peace! Truthfully, I feel Obama has done a poor job. I don’t know how Romney would do. The government has failed the American people. I will continually pray and talk to my savior and be glad He truly is in control of this mess! So I say to each of you including our leaders and government,The Lord bless you all in all beautiful ways and may you all find peace and joy!

    • Paul Wells

      Anna,
      I share in your concerns about people falling away from God, and I believe that God has let things get in pretty bad shape here in our country, with hurricanes, droughts, floods, etc. because of our lack of faith. I guess the other side of that is, the Book of Revelations that you refer to said it would get bad like this, right before Jesus comes again for his faithful. So, stay faithful and let the masses be deceived as they always are. The proud, the arrogant, and the non-believers will perish and those who walk with Jesus will have life everlasting. John 3:16. Have a great day!

    • Shaana

      Anna I agree with you wholeheartedly.

      The one things I want to clarify, though, is that, while you don’t need to tell someone they NEED to believe in Christ, please share your faith. There are so many that don’t know the truth, even in the US (the idea of Jesus is skewed) the Truth is lost to the lies. Now is the time we should be stepping out in love and in faith. Not condemning, for we were condemned and freed by the love of our Savior, but because we love like He loves us! God Bless you Girl!

  • FreedomRules

    …And Louis will follow everyone right over the cliff …

    • Louis Lemieux

      There are cliffs but we have learned how to jump from them without getting hurt. Besides, we love the adrenaline rush that comes with it.

  • http://ROOTforAmerica.com Wayne Root

    Everyone in America that is undecided needs to read Alex’s comments. This is the mindset of a liberal Obama supporter. Every voter in America needs to read this to understand what Obama supporters really think.

    He hates the United States of America. He believes we are the worst country ever- and he’s actually willing to put those heinous views in print. He believes we are UnGodly.

    Even though our soldiers’ graves are all over the world- and we asked for nothing in return. Even though we won wars with Germany, Italy, Japan, and many others- and let them keep their countries…keep their resources…didn’t enslave their people. AND handed them billions to re-build.

    Even though we allowed brothers to kill brothers, to free slaves and right a wrong in our own country.

    Even though we handed Indians the rights to own casinos on their reservations to right a previous wrong. Literally handed them billions of dollars.

    Funny, I haven’t seen Germany hand casinos to the Jewish people to right a wrong. Only in America does that happen.

    Only in America do we elect a black President.

    Only in America can gays live free lives without the worry of being hung off top of buildings, or thrown off top of buildings, or be stoned to death.

    Only in America do women get far more college degrees than men.

    Only in America do people live in what they call “poverty” with tons of bling…a car…air conditioning…multiple television sets…and food stamps that look like credit cards, so no one is ever embarrassed.

    What a terrible country, huh?

    Alex you are indeed so far off the rails in your thinking, you need to be shunned by all normal people with common sense and a brain.

    But luckily for you…people like me are willing to die in America to protect the free speech of fools like you.

    God Bless America.

    Wayne

    • Alex

      Why did you not address the question I put to you, W.A.R.? Sure, you hate me and I make you sick, but why the dodge?

      And do not group me in with the rest of the Obama supporters. Yes–I want him to be reelected, but I am no great fan. I am thinking of my children and my grandson—the Fright Wing GOP is more a danger to them, especially to my daughter, than the Democratic Party. It is that simple.

      Unlike President Obama, I AM a Socialist. President Obama, contrary to the delusions of you and your uneducated sycophants, is just one more marginally Left-of-center Capitalist.

      I wonder if you did anything at Columbia besides run your mouth—clearly you did no studying.

      Lastly, what did you mean by saying, “Only in America do we elect a Black President”?

      • DaveH

        Socialism is immoral, economically bankrupt, and requires Force by self-serving Leaders. Why would anybody in their right mind embrace it?
        This isn’t for you, Alex. It would be way over your head:
        http://mises.org/etexts/SocCap.pdf

      • Alex

        Be a big boy, DaveH–tell us what YOU think and stop sending us on excursions to Nuremburg—I mean the heritage Foundation or the Ludwig von Miserable Institute.

        Do you EVER have an original thought?

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Alex,

          You write: ” the Ludwig von Miserable Institute.” Please see my response to you regarding your last ad hominem directed at the esteemed Ludwig von Mises Institute.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Jefferson Thomas

        Ad hominem attacks and lies the stock in trade for Alex and those like him.

        I did not see anywhere that Mr. Root said he hated you or that you make him sick. In fact from the tenor of his reply I gathered that he has pity for you and that he took time out of his day to try to educate you. Very altruistic and kind of him to try to help you.

      • gunner689AI

        Alexia, commrade, Socialism is just Communism without the bayonnets.

        • Liberty Lover

          The “bayonnets” are there! They come out if you dare to say “no”.

      • TexasRide

        Alex, evidently you know nothing about History or you would realize you support a failed ideology! Socialism/communism/marxism always fails..it always has and it always will.

        THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT! Think about it!

        Meanwhile watch the imploding of the socialist countries of Europe…

      • Flashy

        Texas…for kicks….just why is Europe in economic turmoil? In your opinion …

      • 45caliber

        DaveH:

        I agree. The only people who get ahead in a socialism are the small oligarchy group who run things. And the only way they can stay in power is through force. One reason those in Washington is so determined to disarm the citizens of the USA.

      • momo

        @flashy, European turmoil is being caused by debt, or the inability to repay it.

      • Flashy

        Momo…c’mon….that’s a cop out one liner that says nothing. I’m interested in reading what, in your opinion, has caused the economic mess in Europe…

      • momo

        Flashy says:
        September 27, 2012 at 2:21 pm
        Momo…c’mon….that’s a cop out one liner that says nothing. I’m interested in reading what, in your opinion, has caused the economic mess in Europe…

        I doubt the people of Greece or Spain would agree with you.

      • TexasRide

        F-man just for kicks why don’t you tell us some lies about those bankrupt socialist countries. I know that is what you can hardly wait to do.

      • DaveH

        Greece:
        Public Debt as percentage of GDP — 165%
        Government Spending as percentage of GDP — 50%
        Tax revenues as percentage of GDP — 30%
        That means Greece is adding 20% of their GDP to their public Debt every year.

        Portugal:
        Public Debt as percentage of GDP — 112%
        Government Spending as percentage of GDP — 50%
        Tax revenues as percentage of GDP — 35%
        That means Portugal is adding 15% of their GDP to their public Debt every year.

        Italy:
        Public Debt as percentage of GDP — 128%
        Government Spending as percentage of GDP — 51%
        Tax revenues as percentage of GDP — 43%
        That means Italy is adding 8% of their GDP to their public Debt every year.

        Is it any wonder these countries are in trouble? Maybe Flashman can go over and help them out. Well, at least he could fertilize their farmland.

      • Flashy

        Momo…we know where they are at. And we know some of the policies they’ll have to adopt to get out. That’s not the question. How did they get to the point where it’s chaos and teetering on the edge of the abyss slowing our economic recovery and threatening world economic stability?

        Think it through. In 2009, Europe faced almost the same situation we did. Why have we come out relatively strong and having the ability AND as important the time, to right the ship…and Europe is where it is at?

        You may do well to read up on Japan’s “Lost Decade” and why it occurred and why it lasted so long. Then apply what Japan did to precipitate it’s Lost Decade, and compare to the policies chosen by Europe as contrasted to those Pres. Obama took.

      • momo

        Flashy, the Euro Zone is (was) 17 countries tied to one currency, but there is not one fiscal policy. So each country can do what it wants inside its borders concerning tax rates, pension policies..etc. Several countries were affected by the real estate bubble, where governments stepped in to bailout the banks, private debt became public debt. In Greece public wage and pension committments drove the debt. The economic engine of the Euro Zone, Germany, doesn’t want to spread the debt evenly among the member states. Can’t say I blame them.
        As for you thinking we’re out of the woods, forgive me if I don’t share your optimism. Here are a few of my reasons:

        1.The derivative markets are shaky, worldwide banks have 200 trillion dollars worth of exposure.
        2. Here’s pessimistic report about the world economy
        http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-66-is-available-Red-alert-Global-systemic-crisis-September-October-2012-When-the-trumpets-of-Jericho-ring-out_a11079.html
        3. 48 percent of corporate executives see the global economy getting worse.
        4. Spain is paying close to 6 percent on its bonds to finance their debt, that cost will probably go up and can’t be sustained.
        5.Italy’s debt, as DaveH points out, is over 120 percent of GDP, not good.
        6.Greece is pretty much a lost cause, they should get out of the Euro Zone and go back to the drachma.
        7 Cyprus has become the 5th country to request a bailout.
        8 Angela Merkel isn’t going to bail these countries out, she can read poll numbers, and the Germans don’t want to be responsible for other countries’ debt.
        9.A lot of mony has been pulled out of southern Euro Zone banks and shipped to northern Euro Zone banks.
        10. Global lending is slowing down see this:
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9309393/BIS-warns-global-lending-contracting-at-fastest-pace-since-2008-Lehman-crisis.html
        11. Municipal bankruptcy in the U.S. will continue:
        http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/broken-promises-pensions-all-over-america-are-being-savagely-cut-or-are-vanishing-completely

        Finally, it seems the federal reserve wants to have QE to infinity. Printing all that money is eventually going to lead to runaway inflation. It’s going to make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park.

      • http://speedle speedle

        Flashy, Texas hasn’t answered your question so I will be happy to answer it for him. Europe’s economy is in the dumper for a very simple and undeniable reason. They have been writing entitlement checks they cannot cash for the past 50 years, and the loans are now all coming due. That is without any question the reason their economies suck. If Obama and his gangsters are re-elected the exact thing will happen to us (sooner rather than later).

      • TexasRide

        Speedle, I totally disregard most any demands made by F-man.. You are welcome to answer him… Notice he didn’t answer you back. Nor, did F-man answer DaveH when he posted his facts about the economies of Greece, Portugal and Italy..

    • Michael J.

      Wayne,
      Thanks for the convincing defense of America and her values, but Alex and his fellow trolls are the end product of the teachings of The Frankfurt School whose American debut happened within the hallowed walls of Columbia University, your Alma Mater as well as Saul Alinsky, Cloward & Piven, Hillary Clinton, Mark Lamont Hill and a plethora of other notorious communist who spread the disease nation wide in subsequent decades. How is it that you managed to escape without a hammer and sickle tattoo on your forehead?

      • Alex

        He does have a swastika on his posterior.

      • Liberty Lover

        Hey, MJ, thanks for that info. Hadn’t been aware of those many connections.

      • momo

        Alex says:
        September 27, 2012 at 10:43 am
        He does have a swastika on his posterior.

        And how would Alex know that?…Hmm…

      • 45caliber

        momo:

        He only hopes there is one there. Like most libs, he worships that symbol and loves to kiss it.

    • Flashy

      yo Root..what’s the point spread for the games this weekend? As a bookie, anyone cover your call back in May or were you taking wagers on that one?

  • FreedomRules

    AMEN!

  • Michael Bunting

    The avalanche is coming for Obama. I do not know one person, anywhere, that plans to vote for the incumbent. No one cares about the media polls. We all have heard him speak and seen him bow down and apologize.

    • Alex

      I do not personally know more than a couple people voting for Mitt Romney–so what’s your point? I mean, besides the fact that you live in a more closed world than I…

      • DaveH

        Better than your close-minded world, Alex.

      • 45caliber

        Alex:

        The only reason that you know of only two people who plan to vote for Romney is because you have such a small group of friends. Actually, from all you have said here, I’m surprised you have any.

    • eddie47d

      Michael national polls are generally right about those 3-5% percentage margins. Don’t be so eager to blow them off. Now who cares whether G Bush kisses the Saudis hand and then holds it or Obama bows in respect. The issue should be what are we gaining or losing with the Saudis not who is kissing what!

    • TexasRide

      No sane person would vote for omaumau.

      • gunner689AI

        who said they’re sane ?

  • God of earth,air,fire and water

    Comment to the contributing author re:Article and his minions that read his Rhetoric as LAW.. think on this–New documents show that Mitt Romney’s campaign is $11 million in debt. First Romney’s advisers had to explain that he was running out of money. Then they had to explain to him what running out of money means. 
Since your reference about straw polls, why is this not mentioned ??—>A new poll says 75 percent of Americans feel little or no personal connection to Mitt Romney. And it gets worse. The poll was of his family. come back now, 5 down and its back to the Howdy Doody show with Buffalo Mitt, and his side kick Clarebell.. 



  • ves

    obama was elected by minoritys’ (based on his skin) gays welfare queens marxist communist socialist union employees!! The rest of us voted for McCain even though we didn’t want him!! These people are responsible for the mess we are in ….they can take full credit for it …as can the Rinos!!! these peop_le donmt even know the issues and sure as hell don’t understand what is going on! Howard Stern and his staff did an interview in Harlem that says it all!!

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    After Kerensky was thrown out and Lenin installed, he concentrated on divide and conquer. In Russia it was the Whites and Reds, basically Christians and Muslims, white collar workers and blue collar workers. He concentrated on getting them at each others throats. In communist Russia there was rewards given for turning in people that were not politically corrected to their leaders. Everybody was watching everybody else instead of csating a jaundice eye at those who have (political power, a Democracy), and they did that for the 75 years the USSR was intact. Obama works out of Karl Marx’s The Communist Manifesto. He’s getting white Americans turned against black Americans, Muslim Americans against other Americans, you name it. there’s three stages to this and we are in the latter stage of the second stage:

    Thesis: A country that is generally stable politically
    Anti-thesis: A country that is experiencing political turmoil. Tradition is under attack by something new.
    Synthesis: The new political system that is established after tradition is utterly destroyed.

    It not new only Americans are experiencing it for the first time and don’t know how to act. Instead of attacking each other as their political leaders want, they must bind together and rid their country of the vipers. We’re all collateral to Obama and his ilk’s cause. Blacks, Whites, Muslims, Christians, Jews, all of us. He wants the country intact run by his serfs.

    • uvuvuv

      c/a, you might be right that we should all unite etc, and there was a time when the dems and repubs could work together. their only disagreement was business vs labor, with the dems also traditionally leaning toward generous welfare. these could be overcome. but the repubs now are squeamish about reaching over to a politcal party that advocates killing babies as casually as one makes a phone call or also advocates providing marriage licenses in boxes of cheerios (bought with food stamps).

      • Alex

        Don’t forget, Mitt Romney made MILLIONS OF DOLLARS off of those “dead babies”….

      • Alex

        Add to the above that this is a perfect example of the corruption of Capitalism: a seemingly pious, though non-Christian, cultist who sings the praises of a God who abhors abortion is swayed by the opportunity to cash in on those abortions!

        Capitalism—-what a racket!

      • DaveH

        Once again Alex shows his ignorance. The Mormon religion IS a Christian religion. Thus the name — “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”.
        http://mormon.org/jesus-christ/

        And you expect people to listen to anything you say, Alex?

      • DaveH

        Alex is equally ignorant about what Capitalism is. And I doubt he would read this book to become less so. But other people will:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • eddie47d

        Dave H keeps shouting how grand his brand of Capitalism is yet no one is listening. They are all as corrupt as ever and Dave cluelessly runs to their defense. Instead of explaining how he would correct this corruption he basically gives crony capitalism a high five and nothing changes. You have to practice what you preach in defending Capitalism and the only way that will happen if you actively tear down the crony capitalists. If not then your efforts are nothing more than empty gestures.

      • Flashy

        DaveH…search “Is mormonism christianity” you’ll find many christian websites rejecting it as part of the faith .

      • momo

        eddie47d says:
        September 27, 2012 at 11:31 am
        Dave H keeps shouting how grand his brand of Capitalism is yet no one is listening. They are all as corrupt as ever and Dave cluelessly runs to their defense. Instead of explaining how he would correct this corruption he basically gives crony capitalism a high five and nothing changes. You have to practice what you preach in defending Capitalism and the only way that will happen if you actively tear down the crony capitalists. If not then your efforts are nothing more than empty gestures.

        You mean we need to stop Obama’s buddies from getting money from the feds?

      • TexasRide

        Sign in National Park:

        “Please don’t feed the animals as they come dependent on the handouts.”

        A truth our government might need to adopt when dealing with the adult human population.

      • DaveH

        Eddie says — “Dave H keeps shouting how grand his brand of Capitalism is yet no one is listening”.
        Don’t you love it, Folks, how these Liberal Progressives can read your minds?
        You have no credibility, Eddie. You prove it daily with statements like that.

      • eddie47d

        You are correct MOMO there are thieves in every corner.

      • eddie47d

        I’m going by the answers on what you either give or don’t give Dave H.You praise Capitalism but have no solutions or ANSWERS for those crony capitalists. That means you are the one who doesn’t have any credibility. You skirt that issue issue all the time.

      • JC

        You must be doing somethimng right Dave.
        These liberal troll morons go completely apoplectic when you post.
        Keep up the good work! LOL

      • gunner689AI

        Gee Alexia, I didn’t know Romney owned Family Planning Centers (abortion mills.)

  • FreedomRules

    God of earth,air,fire and water says

    What a dope. That’s a bunch of weak propaganda.

  • http://www.gov-truth.com Ed

    If you believe Bush had ANYTHING to do with our current worldwide financial crisis, you owe it to yourself to go to http://www.gov-truth.com and download “Siren’s Song – America’s Betrayal”. Spread the truth. Pass this site along to your friends.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Bush Jr. was a Christian Zionist and stupid. So is England’s Blair. His father had the brains but what’s being intelligent when you don’t have any morality? His grandfather was in love with the Nazi’s, Hitler in particular. Every decision he made was at the behest of the Zionist or other people that had him as puppet. He’s to stupid to realize the amount of bondage he put around the American people. ” When things happen in politics, you can bet they don’t just happen, they’re planned that way” FDR

  • uvuvuv

    what gets me is that dole actually had a shot at it in 1996, but the talking heads in the polls and the media made his chances sound hopeless. this had a debilitating and demoralizing effect on the repub campaign. clinton in facing the election was in fact so worried he called in dick morris, who said, shift right and fake sincerity about it. now, jumping ahead to the present once again in 2012 obama’s voters are the bottom feeders of society, and in this romney was correct although he nicely used the term 47% instead. but he shudda realized that many people pay no additional taxes after withholding, and might even get it all refunded. this is because they can have real and valid deductions, for example the many stock market investors who got shaved by 40% once pepto obismo won the election and in turn was inaugurated. we all recall those eventful times, when a 200 point drop was a good day. what romney was saying is there is a strata of kneejerk democrats in society who milk the system shamelessly, led on by the dnc who makes it sound like you’re doing your patriotic duty in putting down the crack pipe or trying a little curtis interruptus long enough to go and apply for food stamps.

  • Alex

    What is the biggest fear for a Capitalist pig? One-World Government.

    Yet, if they consider THEIR ideal form of government the best, why would they not want all the world to share in it? Simple. Capitalism needs adversaries. Capitalism needs victims. Having “enemies” means big business for the War Profiteers.

    The truest words about Capitalism ever spoken? Easy—”There’s a sucker born every minute….”

    • DaveH

      Just when I think Alex has made as ignorant a comment as he can make, he says this — “What is the biggest fear for a Capitalist pig? One-World Government.
      Yet, if they consider THEIR ideal form of government the best, why would they not want all the world to share in it?”.
      The further that Government Leaders get from the people they claim to represent, the harder it is for those people to vote them out. Socialist Leaders like that remoteness because their system inevitably results in tyranny and poverty and so must be applied by Force. If their tyranny was on a local basis, they would not last long in office. That’s why Alex and his gang push for One World Government. It’s the only way they can take full advantage of us.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Capitalism is a word coined by Karl Marx. Capital is the tools of production. Capital tools build homes, cars, bake bread, build things for our consumption. In the communist world, people become capital items, which is what the communist have in mind. The love of capital items instead of the love of our Creator has brought every governmental system down, except ours until we made the switch. Switched from the love of God to the love of money the medium of exchange, another capital item. In Obama’s world, we’re all capital items, here to build and maintain his world.

      • Flashy

        The Oxford English Dictionary (Vol II, p 863) locates its first usage in English in 1854 by William Makepeace Thackeray in his novel, The Newcomes.

        Of the word ‘capitalist’, this was first used in English in 1792, by Arthur Young (Travels in France) and it was used by Turgot (in French) in his ‘Reflections on the Formation and the Distribution of Riches’ LXIII-IV, 1770. (Oxford English Dictionary)

      • Flashy

        BTW..Thackery first used the term “capitalism” in its understood meaning 13 years before Marx wrote Das Kapital.

      • Alex

        Once again, Flashy is right on target…

  • Lev D. Zilbermints

    Obama is messing up America big-time. I am old enough to remember Jimmy Carter’s presidency, and not even Carter was this bad. At least Jimmy Carter authored the Egypt-Israel peace treaty in 1979, tried to push through SALT 2 treaty with Russia, slapped an embargo on Russia when they invaded Afghanistan… Jimmy supported Israel while president. What has Obama done?

    Jimmy did not have trillion-dollar-deficits. Obama does. Jimmy did not outsource jobs. Obama does. Jimmy did not bow to the King of Saudi Arabia. Obama did. Jimmy did not use a teleprompter to help him make speeches. Obama does, all the time. Jimmy did not issue 923 Executive orders. Obama did.

    I would vote for Jimmy Carter instead of Obama. At least Carter was a honest man, a patriot. Obama is a traitor to the American people. He does not deserve a second term. The sooner Obama packs his bags, the sooner Romney is elected President, the faster America can begin repairing itself.

    • uvuvuv

      yes in comparison to obama both carter and clinton weren’t that bad. it’s too bad for the both of them that we didn’t have a prescience of the obama years so that we would have appreciated those two a little more at the time. now it’s all in retrospect.

    • eddie47d

      That is too funny! Well not really but it looks like a Romney/Carter ticket is in the works!

      • gunner689AI

        Amy Carter ? That would get the queer vote.

  • Nick Czudy

    these poll results are not surprising. The GOP is the party of the establishment White voters. The allegiance to sticking with the party is so intense. I sometimes wonder what it is that make intelligent and sane people do this.
    Regardless of Mitt’s white supporters. I do not think that he will win.
    His problem is that he has a certain stench of being slimy.
    He has shown that he will lie if needed. There are many examples of him doing this. He puts this into his ads and when found out, he refuses to recant them(doubling down). Flip flopping on a daily basis, shows that deep down, he has no conviction. His stand on Obama-care shows this. On one hand he wants to take credit for Romney-care, but can’t because of the tea party, standing over him to pull him over to the far right. He put his foot in his mouth on many occasions when over-sea’s. In the UK he is known as “Mitt the Twitt”. Then he jumps out prematurely before he has time to think things through. Like his quick statement about the Ambassadors murder in Libya. His latest nail in the coffin is his 47 percent comment on the American victim’s. It doesn’t take much more to paint a picture of a stereotype politician that will lie, cheat, steal, kiss babies and then steal their lollypops. The top 1% have actually done very well in the last 4 years and have increased their share of the American wealth, he wants to actually help them to get a larger chunk of the American pie to the detriment of the middle class.
    The hole that Mitt has dug for himself is all of his own doing.
    In return, Obama has only had to keep his cool and act presidential to keep his lead in this campaign. American people sees him as actually having some conviction, ethics, intellect, creativity and passion. People also will vote on the character of the candidate.
    In this battle, those traits are heavily stacked towards Obama.
    If you really think that the poles are biased and that Mitt is really going to win, then well I have some swamp land in Florida that you might like.
    Let’s see what happens when the election ends. See if you are right.

    I think that it was David Letterman that said when asked, (the left wing biased media) why they had so much emphasis on Mitt Romney and the GOP. He said that his career was bolstered by Mitt’s actions. He said that the GOP tactics and crazy actions just gives him so much material to make fun of. If he depended on the Democrats, he would be out of business as a comedian.

    • Gea

      In my MId West County, 1 in 6 people lives on food stamps, doubled since Obama came into the office. The main city in the county is third in poverty rate (23%) and among 10 cities that are the top in poverty rates among cities over 250,000 people, they never had elected Republican Mayor or Congressman and Senator. It is clear that the Demoncratic party of today is betraying what Martin Luther King said about judging a person by the stenght of their character and not by the color of their skin.

      Obama had tapped into black racism (having blacks for Obama group, which if we had Whites of Romney would be decried as “racist”. NAACP is great of claiming racism whenever it wants to serve interests of its voters, using red herring of racism whenever meritocracy is required. Our Mayor and half of the deparment chairmen in the city are black althoug the city population is 30% black. I am sick and tired of reversed discrimination, in which pigment of the skin can get your a job rather then competence.

      Obama is clear example of this exploitation of white guilt, since he clearly is incompetent to run anything except marketing design of used cars,, which with his great story telling skills he could sell lemons for price of cadilacs ;-)! The man is not only incompetent but downright dangerous to US and entire WEstern civlziation. He is a true believer in two ideologies which history had proven to lead to basket case economies and tyrannies where human righgs are non-existant. Those ideologies are Marxism and islam, both of which Obama is trying to implement with his stories under the guise of “justice” and “respect for Islam”, which is a supremacist ideology siimilar to Nazi ideology and MUST REFORM or has no place in any decent society taht respects human righgs.

      Barak Hussein Obama is living up to his middle name, by cavorting with genocidal supreamsist misogynbists of Muslim Brotehrhood whom he let into teh Whtie hosue and had given them $1.5 BILLIONS for their war on women and Israel. He is also helping CAIR to subvert US Constitution by again claiming “respect for Islam” (which Islam denies everybody who is non-Muslim).

      Obama is a traitor of the Amerian values and American diplomats and MUST RESIGN and be impoeached for his role in the rape and murder of US Ambassador in Libya

      • Nick Czudy

        Gea.
        I do not think that my response had anything to do with Black and White or race. I am oblivious to race and color. Integrity and good values is not a monopoly of any race. It is in the individual men.
        Obama has integrity and Romney doesn’t. I gave you many examples of how Romney has shown many evil vices that are usually subscribed to bad politicians. I am a conservative but cannot support Romney because he has let the far right subvert him and pull him in many directions. It has made him look like a fool and a slimy politician.
        Obama has kept his cool and poise. Race has nothing to do with it,

        I have no preference for race. There are crazy black politicians as well as white. Two examples are Allen West (FL) (90% of dems are communists) and Herman Caine. No race has the monopoly on insanity.

        When the economy tanked in Oct. of 2008, and 23 million people lost their jobs, there will be more people on food stamps and social assistance. What do you expect?
        Do you think that instead of helping Americans out with some assistance to buy food, we should let them starve? Will it be better to make more desperate people that will turn to crime in order to eat and survive? Do you think that when people are staving they will just lay down and die? Haven’t you heard that desperate people will do desperate things?
        As the economy improves the amount of people on food stamps will decrease. It does not help to give more money to rich people. They do not need it.

        Obama was elected because he was the best candidate at the time. He was a better choice than McCain. But you know if McCain with say Jon Huntsman were running against Obama, the GOP would have a good chance of winning this election. Who do we have. A rich guy that doesn’t give a hoot about the poor, who wants to fund the deficit on the backs of the middle class and give even more of the American Pie to the upper crust and his running mate that wants to decrease the deficit on the middle class that have not made any gains in the last decade. He just is the wrong choice for this election.

        Now your remark of “True Believer in two ideologies. Marxism and Islam” Give me one example of him implementing policies that are either.
        Marxism: Are you mistaking the helping of the poor and unfortunate as being socialism?
        I thought that was the christian value of a democracy to help the poor and downtrodden? Aren’t you Christian? This is a far cry from Marxism.
        Islam: You are mistaking that his efforts to show the value of free speech and religion to show the world that free speech and religion does not only mean being a Christian.
        He has done more in the last decade to defuse the hate against the USA as the world’s oppressor. Obama has taken the pressure off terrorist action against the USA. Bush shoved it in to their faces and prompted most of the hate against the USA. The whole world has relaxed its hate against the USA. One example is how the Libyans rose up after the assassination of the US ambassador and against the militia militant bases in Benghazi. His international policy is slowly working to defuse the hate and terrorist plans.

        Do you think that a Mitt Romney threatening the Muslim world will have a effect of putting terror in their hearts? It will instead incite then to step up the terrorist activities. These people are not Russians that want to live and save their necks. They can come up with hundreds of martyrs that are willing to die for their causes.

        Obama would have been happier if the Muslim Brotherhood had not won the election in Egypt. But since we are professing free elections, he will have to work with the existing government. His speech of them “not being an Allie and not exactly being an enemy too” was a very subtle and effective use of a simple interview to get them to react positively.

        No unfortunately, in this election, we do not have a decent candidate to run for Conservatives. Obama is the better choice.

        • Liberty Lover

          Obama loves the Muslim Brotherhood. He set them up to take over in Egypt and has them as guests to the White House. Now he faces a recent Zogby poll that shows Egypt is the MOST anti-American country in the region. During the past four years, respect for America has plunged throughout the Arab world except for Saudi Arabia. But other than alienating the Arabs and the Israelis, Obama’s mid-East policies are working just fine!

      • TexasRide

        Name me a black government that makes it possible for people to have freedom and prosperity.

      • Nick Czudy

        Hey Liberty Lover.

        You say that Obama helped to put the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt? I don’t think so. The Obama administration was worried about them winning. If you watched the news reports. There were many articles about the US fearing a Muslim Brotherhood win.

        In Egypt the division of the population is almost like the USA. they are pretty even at about 50:50 percent to the Muslim Brotherhood and the rest of the population. Many of the recent demonstrations were from the young students and mostly the unemployed.
        I do not know where you guys come up with these gems of statements that have no bearing to truth at all. It is how the GOP typically come up with truth-isms. That only the GOP can believe.
        It was the crazy Michelle Bachman and her cronies that came up with some statement that Obama was for the Muslim Brotherhood in some right wing blog and it caused them to attack Hillary Clinton on a trip to Egypt. Now you are buying this crazy statement as well.
        Do you believe stuff that comes out of the mouth of Michelle B.? Then you are very nieve.
        Inviting then to the White House i guess refers to H. Clinton’s aid that is Muslim? That comes from the same source.
        Wow if you buy this kind of crap and base your factual decisions based on that type of research then you are in big trouble.
        Obama has to live with the government of Egypt and he is dealing with them in a sane and rational way. ergo his statement, that “They were not an Ally and they also were not an enemy.”

        • Liberty Lover

          One of us is “nieve” (sic), Nick (sic Nick has a nice ring to it), but you’ve got the wrong one. Obama could hardly come out and openly cheer for the Brotherhood, but at his signature Cairo apology speech, members of the Brotherhood sat in the first two rows. And the reference to visits by the Brotherhood to the WH was not in regard to Clinton’s “aid” (sic).

      • gunner689AI

        TexasRide: It sure isn’t the sainted South Africa. A very good friend and my sky diving instructor is from South Africa. He’s a white man of Africanar descent. His family were settlers and farmers in South Africa for generations. He served in their military and fought against ANC terrorists in Angola and Namibia. He told me that Mandela tried build a fair society but was trumped by the radicals in the gvt. The way the current gvt. operates is that they nothing but tax the whites and give to the blacks. If a white starts a business the minute he makes over $35,000 he has to turn 51% of his business over to a black. I ran into a taxi driver in Chicago. He was a white man from Angola whose family were also settlers and farmers for several generations. When the Portugese gave up the colony to the blacks this man and his family barely escaped with their lives and the clothes on their backs when the savages confiscated their farm and all property. When the colonial powers who developed these countries gave them up they went back to savegrey and Darkest Africa. BO and his minions would love to do the same thing in this country. We see it in every major city that has a black administration in power. I wonder if America will survive as a free and independent nation or the savages will take over.

  • jopa

    Well Mr. Root ,Mitt has problems with Blacks, Latinos ,Women,American Indians, the 47%,the Orientals in America and he even had Mike Rowe at his side doing a segment of Dirty Jobs.The one white guy that should be backing him most is looking in a different direction now.Paul Ryan.Staffers have leaked that in private he calls Mitt Romney “Stench” and now Ryan knows the election is over and is just trying to save his place in the Congress.He may even lose that according to the polls.I think it’ time for Christina Christie to sing.

  • FreedomRules

    …And Jopa is hopelessly lost in the land of Oz ….

    • jopa

      Freedom;We sure don’t need the Mitt behind the curtain in the land of Oz His exaggeration of being President for 53% is one big lie.He will only represent 1%.Then he will come out and tell you his game plan.Want to know what it is? He will say “Fooled You”,

      • http://www.facebook.com/flmiraclelady Jo Ann Aaron

        You have been listening to the liberal media. Have you not noticed what is happening abroad?

  • capitalist at Birth

    Why are there so many ignorant fools who are allowed to vote? I believe that anyone who agrees with Alex or anyone else who is enamored with socialism/communism should move to a country that practices it and leave our country NOW, to never return.

    • jopa

      capitalist: They are allowing you to vote because they were not interested in your IQ when you signed up to vote.If you do decide to move I would advise you to get a passport soon, sometimes it takes a while.Adios for now Amigo!!

    • TexasRide

      People should have to qualify to vote. Weed out the mentally ill, the incompetents, and those unable to read, write, or speak English. Add to that criminals serving time in prison and those that don’t pay taxes but are sucking-up all the benefits..paid for with other people’s money. None of these should have a say about how the rest of us are governed, or how much they should get of our tax dollars.

      • gunner689AI

        with the exception of the handicapped and the the retired, no one who doesn’t pay income taxes shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

  • FreedomRules

    Are Alex, Jopa and Nick by any chance from the Bronx? I think they were interviewed by Howard Stern’s people the other day.

    • momo

      Too funny!

  • FreedomRules

    Jopa, Obama has already made a fool out of you.

    • jopa

      Freedom: Care to elaborate.If you are for the Mitt I would have to call you a sore LOSER.

  • FreedomRules

    Like it or not people, wealth has never and will never trickle up! And… Obama has never and will never able citizens to succeed in business or anything. He knows not how. 90% of jobs are from trickle down, so like it or lump it.

  • FreedomRules

    We’ll see Jopa …we’ll see.

  • sharon

    Who really gives a crap about color anymore…I don’t. The fact is Obama Bombed as a President, He has done Nothing for the American people, and, why would anyone give him another chance…. Not me Jack…You don’t have to hit me upside the head to know his time is done in my book.

    • gunner689AI

      White girls are pumping out half-breed, illigitiimate children like an assembly line. In a couple of generations I fear all races will be intermingled with all heritage and identity lost forever.

      • Karolyn

        Well, good! We are all part of the human race and all brothers and sisters anyway.

      • Alex

        Correct, Karolyn.
        Since Race and Religion are the are the biggest barriers to human coexistence it will be a good thing when we are all tan with curly brownish hair. Otherwise, ignorance and fear will continue to dominate.
        And organized religion needs to get the boot! I believe in a God or Gods–the evidence for this, in my own life, is substantial—but to allow some ordinary man in search of money and power to tell you waht God thinks or wants is ABSURD!

      • gunner689AI

        Karolyn: thanks for that revelation. Now we know your sexual preferance.

    • TexasRide

      Omaumau has a hatred for Whites, especially those that don’t need government to take care of them.

      Sharon, it is amazing number of half-breeds this country produces. It is a lack of self-esteem on the part of the girls..what else.

      • Karolyn

        Could yo please explain why white girls couplig with black men would have to be a lack of self esteem? Do you live in the south? There are more interracial couples in the south than in the north. When I moved here, I was really surprised at that.

      • Alex

        Texass

      • gunner689AI

        These poor girls are often the victims of broken homes and this popular culture BS they are swamped with. They are open to any BS any male whispers in their ear. They rarely marry the man who impregnates them and then refuses to support them. They end up living off their families and the welfare system. Such a waste of precious lives. Before you start labeling me as racist I was referring to black girls who produce 76% of their babies out of wedlock. Now this cancer is spreading into other races and cultures. To race mix only compounds the problem. I am a firm believer in seperate but equal when it comes to the races. PC is BS.

  • FreedomRules

    Hey … I’m not sore!

  • sarah jones

    I don’t like either of them! Ron Paul all the way!

  • 45caliber

    If you want to get a refreshing – and far more true – look at American politics, go to the English reporting on this at the Telegraph or the Daily Mail. Since they don’t really care who takes over, they tend to report it far more truthfully.

    And they all say that Oblama will lose – big time.

  • Realist

    Did anyone on this form actually get polled? Yesterday I was called twice from a Washington DC area code and they asked in multiple choice
    my age
    my race
    my gender
    which party I was affiliated with
    which party I would most likely vote for
    and the kicker: If the election was today, which candidate would I vote for, Romney or
    Obama?
    First of all only 2 choices were given if the election was today as if there was not other choice. That poll was definitely rigged.
    I responded to the exact opposite of my actual and real choices and the same for race,
    age, gender, and party affiliation. Each time giving an inaccurate response to see if this would affect the poll and obviously it has.
    You can never trust the information the pollster gives and the same will hold true at the exit polls.

  • http://www.facebook.com/flmiraclelady Jo Ann Aaron

    It seems too many people are believing everything they hear in the liberal media and are very uninformed as to what is going on in reality. Go to The Blaze.com before 8pm EDT tonight and watch TheProject. It is taken from 80 cases of files given to our FBI that were found in Switzerland after a terroist raid. Also there is an additional file found in VA cell in 1991, you can argue personalities till hell freezes over. In the meantime our government and country are being infiltrated by a foreign religion. Guess which? This is not about any person. If you love your country and want to remain free you will watch it. It is also on channel 212 on the dish network. If you don’t you deserve what you get. You can get the news unfiltered on TheBlaze.com 24/7.

    • Karolyn

      How do you know everything on the blaze is true? Because they said so? No different from any other news source. Everybody has an agenda.

  • http://Crap Fox

    It depends on which area of the country your looking. The biggest gap is in the south where most of the BIGOTS live!

    • Gea

      Obama is a traitor to Ameriocan values and is incompetent to run anything except marketing department of the used cars, where he would be able to sell you a lemon for a price of Cadillac. His stories have no connection with reality and he is also a true believer in ideology of Marxism and ISlam, both of which history had proven to lead to dysfucntaionl economies and tyranies, as the muslim majority countries (57 of them) clearly demonstrate, and fall of Communism proved.

      Obama cannot help his true beliefs which were formed by his Marxist Muslim father in Kenua and Step-father in Indonesia (age 6-10 for Obama), in addition to tutor from age 10-18, Frank Marshall Davis a member of Hawaiian Communist Party. Thus Obama is the most Teflon President in the White house who let nasty ideology of Marxism and ISlam into the White house. He should resign and not run for another 4 years, in which he could really finish US off and made it into a Third world country.

      Any American who respects liberty and human rights will get this BIG Muslim Brother out of the White house and ship him to his Saudi King of his Muslim Brothers in Egyp where Barak Hussein can live up his middle name to his heart content.

  • jopa

    The middle class has to have the buying power in order for our economy to thrive.Wages have remained pretty much the same in the last 10 -15 years and with the decline of the unions so go the wages and benefits.When you have the filthy rich like Romney hiding all their money overseas and investing in foreign countries, that does not do anything for America.Trickle down economics has been in place now for the last 12 years and how is that working out for yah.The stock market and big business are showing the biggest profits of all time and look where the middle class is sitting.Some of us are doing great but the opportunity has to be there for all, not just 53% or the top 2% of Americans.

    • Realist

      No trickin’ down since Clinton ushered our manufacturing base away. Once those jobs left, keeping money in communities has been pretty well taken care of.

      • jopa

        Realist: Time to get real there realist.If you are talking about NAFTA, that was what Reagan actually campaigned on and then it was finally pushed through by the Republican controlled House and Senate under Clinton.Time for you to brush up on your History.That’s one of the reasons we have to keep reminding people what Bush did to this country.The Right has a tendency to conveniently forget the facts or just ignore reality.

      • Realist

        Actually, NAFT, GATT, WTO…They are all in it and you know it.
        Here is a list of Obama’s first for you…enjoy Mocha Joe!
        First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

        First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

        First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.

        First President to violate the War Powers Act.

        First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

        First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

        First President to spend a trillion dollars on ‘shovel-ready’ jobs when there was no such thing as ‘shovel-ready’ jobs.

        First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

        First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

        First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.

        First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
        First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

        First President to terminate America ‘s ability to put a man in space.

        First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

        First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

        First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

        First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke-out on the reasons for their rate increases.

        First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

        First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

        First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

        First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

        First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-Corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

        First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

        First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

        First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 102 to date.

        First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.

        First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

        First President to go on multiple global “apology tours” and concurrent “insult our friends” tours.

        First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayer.

        First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

        First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

        First President to repeat the Holy Quran & tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

        First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they “volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences”.

        Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion.

        First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

        kEWL HUH? pLEASE VOTE FOR YO DADDY!

        • Liberty Lover

          Nice compendium, Realist. He and Holder head the largest crime syndicate in the country!

      • Realist

        Yo Jope! You give the Republican congress for NAFTA and Gatt yet clinton gets the credit for a budget surplus…you are a real piece of work!

  • Theresa Kelly

    Both Obama and Romney are creeps and I’ll not vote for either of them. Glad to know though Americans are waking up to the race game that Michelle and Obama play.
    This time around, it’s working against them!

  • The Raging Libertarian

    Thank you, Mr. Root, for having the balls to ask those questions. You’re right on about the media bias and outright show of support for the President that is taking place right now. It amazes me just how scared folks are to address his failing administration.

  • Florence

    Come on, Americans. No fighting between Blacks and Whites…we are all we have. We want the same resolve. We have to get rid of our treasonous politicians who refuse to enforce immigration, and be vigilant about getting these opportunist, south of the border illegals out of this country. Most Americans are frustrated w/this mess. Come on.

  • FreedomRules

    Jopa, everytime you open your mouth, stupidity flows out.

    • jopa

      Freedumbs Rules:The last time stupidity was flowing out was after your momma carried you for nine months.

  • cb

    A person’s identity is derived from his father. The race of the father is given to the identity of the offspring.

    • Alex

      You have NO idea what you are squawking about.

  • cb

    TK – I agree with you but not voting at all is a vote for Obama. It all comes down to; do you want to lose an arm or a leg, or an arm AND a leg.

  • cb

    Allen West for President

  • http://www.facebook.com/oma.frosh Oma Frosh

    I Pray every night that Romney loses. He is a big pain in the a$$.
    “A person’s identity is derived from his father.” This is bull sh*t. Both my parents are stupid Republicans.

    • Liberty Lover

      Stupid indeed! Didn’t they know about contraception?

      • eddie47d

        They should have since they deny it to every one else. LOL!

      • JC

        For sure…a very strong case for birth control there.
        Idiot didn’t even understand the meaning of “identity”.
        It’s genetic moron. LOL

  • Karolyn

    For Dave H. – “Top 10 Lies and mistakes of Austrian Economics”
    http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/top-ten-lies-and-mistakes-of-austrian-economics/

  • Karolyn

    I’m going to try to post this link again, but it appears to be one of those things that gets ‘caught up’ in PLD’s spam filter. It just seems odd that it speaks against Austrian economics. just wanted to see what Daveh thinks.

    http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/top-ten-lies-and-mistakes-of-austrian-economics/

  • Resolved

    God is in control…and He will give us what we deserve!! Good or Bad.

    • JC

      God helps those who help themselves?

  • Chris Condon

    I’m not sure Obama’s lead at this point means anything. For as long as I can remember, in presidential elections the Democratic candidate starts out with a big lead and the Republican candidate closes the gap late. Sometimes the Democratic candidate holds on enough to win and sometimes he doesn’t.

  • Horace

    I can’t imagine how all of you have avoided the knowledge that Obama is NOT a black person. He is an ARAB MUSLIM. We can’t call all dark skin people black. For God’s sake do your research & stop being uninformed!

    • Frank Kahn

      How did a Kenyan (black) Muslim transform into an Arab (Saudi Arabian) Muslim?

      • Alex

        A+. Most people in this country have no idea that the terms ‘Arab’ and ‘Muslim’ are NOT interchangeable…

  • Karolyn

    I have tried twice to post a link, and it has not appeared. It is an article about the lies in Austrian economics that I wanted to see if DaveH or Bob Livingston would comment on. I know that some links get caught up in PLD’s filter, but why is it the ones contrary to PLD opinions?

  • http://www.facebook.com/mirkleinberg Miriam Kleinberg

    From Planet Klan…Romney’s white supporters are the clearly bigoted, uninformed crazies! who obviously aren’t “hearing” what those two clowns are selling. BTW…WHAT are they selling? (aside from an end to medicare and social security…and health care…and education…and enviornmental protection…and US jobs…oh yeah…and the veterans…oh..and the aged, and children…oh!!! and our future). Take your pep talk and shove it where your head is planted.

    • Nick Czudy

      Well spoken Miriam. haha I would not want to get on your bad side.
      But you are correct. If most of the right wing actually voted for the benefits that they are getting from the Obama policies they would not be supporting the GOP. But it never ceases to amaze me how dedicated people are to the GOP when their policies are making their lives worse. What do you say about people like that?

      • gunner689AI

        I’d say that they care more about freedom, the Constitution, America’s and their children’s future than they do about any hand-outs the gvt. promises. The demorats are a group of whores who only care about they can get at someone elses expense.

  • SJJolly

    “The biased leftist media …” Meaning, everything to the left of Faux News, which is “fair and balanced” — far to the right of political center?

  • http://www.facebook.com/wrjnicholson William R Nicholson

    I Hope the naked emperor Still Believes In Sharing The Wealth When He Returns To Chi-Town ! Hope He Shares His New Found Wealth With All His Neighbors. He’ll Be There Soon And I’m Sure They’ll All Hail Him As The New unelected Head Of Chicago ! If They Don’t Get New Freebies From Him , They Might Encourage Him To Move Somewhere Else !

  • Gea

    Western civilization, such as GB, Australia and America are digging its own grave, by allowing politicians to cave into Muslim countries and their supremacist ideology invading Western countries around the world. While it had started for oil, now that millions of Muslims had invaded Western countries because of those countries liberal immigration policies and welfare, they are threatening the lives of anybody who opposes them. Nobody likes to be assassinated by some mad Muslim, who is ready to die for his Allahu Akbar so that he can get a fast ticket as a “martyr” to a Paradise with 72 virgins and 12 per-pubescent boys ;-)!

    Even higlhy educated, American born Muslim, Dr. NIdal Hassan was no different when he murdered 13 of his colleagues while shouting Allahu Akbar, and the terrorists of 9/11 also shouted Allahu Akbar, when plunging planes into WTO. Now, Muslims in America have a nerve to demand a mosque where they could shout Allahu Akbar again, near the Ground Zero!!! Obama is a BIG Muslim Brother who had let genocidal, supremacist, misogynyst Muslim Brotherhood to inflitrate America, into the Whitehouse, with their long range plan to destroy Western civlization and impose Islam, the “olny true religion” over US.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Gea,”

      “Per-pubescent” [PREPUBESCENT] BOYS HAVE NO NEED FOR VIRGINS; SEX IS NOT “ON-THE-TABLE,” YET. YOU MEANT “pubescent,” OR, “adolescent.”

      • Frank Kahn

        I think in Gea’s post it was meant that the martyrs get 70 virgin women and 12 prepubescent boys. Not that prepubescent boys get 70 virgins.

        • Gea

          Any male Muslim that dies as a “martyr” (i.e. while murdering Jews and Americans) goes to a Paradise with 72 virgins (women) and 12 pre-pubescent boys that he can do with them what Jerry Sundasky did. Under sharia, pedophilia both with boys and girls is legal, and Jerry Sunduski would have been OK in Saudi Arabia, where in addition to molesting boys and girls he could have up to 4 wives at the time (Osama bin Ladin had 27 wives, 4 at the time and 54 children, inclulding Osama who only had 7 wives and 23 chilren from them).

          While consentual homosexuality between adult men is punishable under sharia by hanging, as long as the boy has no facial hair, one can molest him, which many rich Saudis and Afghans do. Mohamed was a pedophile polylgamist, who married Aisha, one of his 12 wives, when she was 6 and he was 51 and had sex with her when she was 9 and he was 54. He also raped a 17-y young wife of a Jewish man whom he had beheaded a few hours previously together with 900 other Jewish men and boys from Medina, whose sin was that they did not accept this vile man as THEIR prophect.

          When Muslims around the world go nuts about some guy in California telling truth about Mohamed, one should remember how “perfect and peaceful” Islam really is ;-)! Islam does not belong to any decent society and MUST REFORM or go back to sharia run countries.

  • Gea

    Neil Kreissel had describe the rapid rise of Jew and America hatred in the Muslim world, coming directly from the Koranic and Hadith writings, in his book The Sons of Apes and Pigs. While Muslims go ballistic and violent when anybody tells the truth about their religion and prophet (who in any sane society would be tried for pedophilia, rape, polygamy and murder), their entire religion is disrespectful of ANYBODY else. If they want RESPECT, they first have to GIVE RESPECT, which they don’t unless they totally REFORM Islam and eliminate all the hateful suras from Koran and Hadith. the politically correct academics in US and other Western countries are ignoring this vile antisemitism at their own peril, since antisemitism ALWAYS leads to tyranny and destruction of any society that harbors it. Thus Israel IS the proverbial canary in the world history and what happens to Israel will happen to the World.

    Obama should be impeached for treason of American values and endangering US and NATO lives around the world by letting his Muslim Brothers into the whtiehouse and by trying with the help of CAIR and OIC to subvert US Constitution..

  • Gea

    Obama is a BIG Muslim Brother who does not belong to America, since he had clearly betrayed American values, by two ideologies he had been pushing onto US: Marxism and Islam, both belonging to the dung heap of history and not to any functional country that respects liberty and human rights. Why are sharia run Muslim countries (57 of them) allowed to belong to UN, where their diplomats defame the only functional country in the Middle East, Israel, which protects human rights, while sharia itself is a routine violation of human rights?

    Why does US give visas to genocidal supremacist ideology of Islam, such as Ahmedinijad and Muslim Brotherhood and others who call Jews “THE SONS OF APES AND PIGS”? We could end terrorism by not allowing those guys into ANY civilized country and expel those who actively plot against their host countries, which had fed them and kept them often on the dole, at the expense of their taxpayers.

    If we stop feeding those Muslims who are coming from their sharia corrupt Muslim countries, and sending aid to them (Pakistan, Egypt and Libya) they will fall into sands of history, just as Ottoman Empire did, or abandon their medieval evil sharia and REFORM Islam.

    Obama should be tried for treason and so should many other Western politicians who cavort with Islamists and are undermining OUR liberty and human rights. It is not only USA, but all Westerners who had contributed to these immoral foreign policies of cavorting with the enemies of liberty and human rights. A religiously inclined person would call such betrayal of our values a violation of Decalogue, particularly violation of the First Commandment, where God warns about worshiping other gods. Mammon had replaced the worship of and had become a major motivation for selling out for oil and power;-)!

    Berak Hussein Obama is a true believer, as his bowing to his Saudi king and his giving money and access to a terrorist organization of the Muslim Brotherhood clearly indicate!

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

      Gea, Are you sure of your facts? Most of what you write is implausible, to say the least. Could you provide the sources on which you base your allegations?

      As for Obama’s ideological mentor, that appears to be the Protestant theologian Reinhold Niehbuhr, who is noted for having stressed the significance of the Judeo-Christian doctrine of original sin to the understanding of human affairs. Believing that human nature was prone to self-deception and self-aggrandizement, Niebuhr rejected all grandiose and utopian projects for the reformation of human affairs, instead urging modest and cautious attempts at improvements. These beliefs made Niebuhr a caustic critic of Marxism, which gives human nature a clean bill of health and a strongy utopian slant.

      It’s amazing how many of Obama’s critics accuse him of being both a Marxist and a Muslim. I am a Catholic and don’t often rise to the defense of Islam, but one thing about it I acknowledge to be true: Islamic teaching is incompatible with Marxism, and devout Muslims have only contempt for it — after all, it is an atheistic philosophy invented by a Jew!

      • Gea

        As a scientist who grew up in a socialist country (where I had to read Capital and other works of Marx and Engels), and who lived in Israel during Yom Kippur attack by Syria and Egypt, and travelled to Gaza and West Bank before the “peace process” started and it waas still safe to travel, I have a first hand experience both with Marxism and Islam. Also, two years ago I read Koran from cover to cover.

        While Marx waned to change the world to make it better and just, his theory was not based on knowledge of the economic system and workers. His “dictatorship of proletarians” turned into tyranny of Stalin and other communists who just used Marxism as a way to deceive people to believe that they are building better future.

        Islam is very similar to Nazism in its claims of supremacity to all other religions, and its delusional Jew hatred, which had been on the rise among 1.4 millions of Muslims, while taking as an excuse “poor Palestinians”. Koranic verses are vile stattements about Jews, Christians, and urging Muslims to wage jihad against “non-believers”. The book by Neil Kreissel, The Sons of Pigs and Apes describes in detail this dangerous rise of vile delusional Jew hatred among all Muslims, and such antisemitism never leads to anything good in the world, as Nazism clearly demonstrated.

        Obama extolls Koran and Islam (you can see it in his speeches in Egypt in 2009) and bowed to Saudi king whose subjects committed crimes of 9/11 while shouting Allahu Akbar. Obama had also helped CAIR and OIC subvert US Constitution, which is totally foreign to ANY US President. Nixon never did this!

        By cavorting with terrorists of Muslim Brotherhood, which stated goal is to infiltrate American and destroy Western Civlization, Barak Hussein Obama had clearly shown where his real loayties are and they certainly are NOT with America and Western civlization although he make a great show with his stories. Don’t listen to what he says, but watch what he does! He is the most dangerous man in America, undermining not only US liberty, but entire Western civilization and human rights everywhere.

        Islam MUST REFORM to make it compatible with US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or it has NO place in any country that respects liberty and human rigghts of individuals.

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

          Gea, Do you think, then, that Obama or anyone else can be both a Marxist or a Muslim? He would have to be a very unusual sort of Marxist, or a very unusual sort of Muslim.

          You are quite right that Marxism tends toward tyranny, for the reason pointed out by Obama’s ideological teacher, Reinhold Niebuhr. Niebuhr argued that because Marxism gives human nature a clean bill of health, it thinks tht everything will be hunky-dorey as soon as we get rid of that evil institution capitalism, which is the real cause of all injustice, etc.

          So, the Marxists get rid of capitalism when they take power and what happens? Human nature turns out to be the problem after all! Not making any provision for the dark tendencies of human nature, Marxism provides no checks and balances against it. And so we get Stalin, Mao, and mass murder.

          This is the teaching of Obama’s mentor, whom he is said to have memorized almost chapter and verse. As for Obama sympathizing with Muslim terrorists — is that why he ordered the operation that brought bin Laden to justice?

          • Liberty Lover

            >>>>”As for Obama sympathizing with Muslim terrorists — is that why he ordered the operation that brought bin Laden to justice?”<<<<

            He has another election to win, but he still seems to believe that members of the Muslim Brotherhood need only a rhetorical hug from an understanding and supportive Obama to see the errors of their ways and drop their quest for worldwide domination.

      • Gea

        Muslim dictators embraced Marxism when they got help from the Soviet Union, and many Muslim countries liberation movements also embraced Marxism under the guise of “jusitce and liberty”. Nasser in Egypt was a very socialist man, when he and Assad formed UAR (United Arab Republic) for a while before they disintegrated. As long as they were getting millitary aid, the Arab countries were Marxist ;-)!

        Marxism just like Islam claims universal rights in theory, but denies individuals to think with their own head. Thus, if you disagree with any of the Communists or Muslim leaders, you may lose your head, unlike in US and Western Eruope where freedom of speech is pretected to some extent. Europe does have some libel laws, which can get a person in trouble much more than in US for speaking out.

        Islam is a supremacist ideology similar to Nazi ideology, including its delusional Jew hate and it is incompatible with the US Constitution and with the Universal Declaratoin of Human Rights. IT MUST REFORM. Koran is a a vile book, 60% of which is rantings against Christians, Jews, “nonbelievers” and promoting pedophilia, polygamy, misogyny and murder for Allahu Akbar.

        Don’t forget that the terrorists of 9/11 did not scream Hail Mary, Our Father, Shema, or OM when plunging planes into WTO, but Allahu Akbar, which had become a war cry of all Muslims when committing terrorist acts, including American born and higlhy educated Muslims such as Dr. Nidal Hassan, who murdered 13 of his collegues at Fort Hood, while screaming Allahu Akbar. Just like swastika, which orginally was an Hindu symbol for Aryan people of India, Allahu Akbar had bccome a nasty symbol of Muslim terroirism for those who understand Islam.

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

          Gea,
          Nassar was a secular, westernized leader — not a very good example of a Muslim leader. Neither was Saddam Hussein, whom bin Laden and others militant Muslims despised, seeing him (rigthtly) as Muslim in name only.
          And please, provide the sources on which you base your claim that Obama cavorts with the Muslim brotherhood – something more solid than hearsay, please.

      • Liberty Lover

        Niebuhr’s philosophy is a bowl of jello leaning in the direction of statism.

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

          Liberty Lover, That’s an interesting take on Reinhold Niebuhr. Please tell me the books of his that you have read and that led you to your conclusions about him.

    • gunner689AI

      That might explain the lack of a fatwa on BO when he supposedly switched from islam to Christianity. He is the Manchurian Candidate. What really cracks me up is that the muslims hate America for the decadance we wallow in thanks to the liberals, who support the muslims. If the muslims ever took over they’d be the first to get the axe. It would almost be worth it to see these liberal broads walking 3 steps behing the men dressed in burkas.

  • gunner689AI

    Would someone please answer this question ? If al queda and other fundamentalist muslims could vote in this election, who would they vote for and why ? The answer is obvious but I’ll wait to hear the liberal spin.

    • nickkin

      Hey Gunner….I’m not a liberal but I would bet on you getting at least a 100 Bush-bash responses. Don’t rely on anything intelligent…..sheeple can only say, ” BAAAAAABAAA OBOZO !!!!

      • gunner689AI

        No replies; the truth hurts. liberals shy from the truth like vampires from sunlight.

  • nickkin

    Great article Wayne….as usual NBC,CBS,ABC,WASHINGTONSLIME,NEW YORK COMPOSE AND TIME IN A BOTTLE MAGAZINE are all living up to their potential of showing their true names of “Nothing But Crap”, Constant Bull S**t, Always Bull Crap” etc.. I understand that the toilet paper companies have an anti-trust suit against these companies…”CHARMIN ISN’T IT? Porta Pottie companys are making sales profits galore by using main stream media papers. Check the stock out. It ain’t falling like the obummer campaign. Conservative talk radio will give you the real facts but the social liberals have their ears filled with so much of the main media crap, eyesite is their only way out, so read this liberal obummer lovers…STAY HOME, no need to vote , obozo is a shoo-out!

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

    Rasmussen is definitely NOT one of the pollsters most noted for is accuracy. It tends to favor Conservative/Republican candidates, and the reason is probably that it contacts voters by calls to landline phones exclusively. But a third of American households have only cell phones, and cell phone users have been found to lean Democratic. The result is that Rasmussen undersamples Democratic voters.

    As for the white voter gap, it does exist, and since Obama has not championed legislation tailored to benefit minorities at the expense of whites, it’s reasonable to infer that a lot of white voters are still not comfortable with a black man as president.

    • nickkin

      You might have the cell phone thing right John, but those would be the free ones that the govn’t gives away….you want to talk about oversampling, you might want to check out Maris and the NBC polls with the dem over sampling. And believe it or not , the race picture is back and that started 4 years ago. O may have had the white vote because of history value ( first black in WH) but with showing his other true colors, namely marxist-communist-social insertion in our country, the majority of whites have been awaken and will react to ” NOBAMA-NOMORE” when records are sealed and computer generated birth-certs, and association with muslum brotherhood that results in American deaths, you can hold the torch for this “OBAMINATION” and throw in the cell phones for fuel but this is still a bad black mark in American history.

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

        The polls differ in a way that’s difficult to attribute to political bias. For example, the latest FOX News poll puts Obama ahead by 5 points, while the latest CBS/NYT poll puts him ahead by only 3. Go figure.

        The average of the major national polls, which includes Rasmussen, puts Obama ahead by 4.3.

        Two things have been happening since the two parties had their conventions: the polls that have typically been “outliers” — e.g. Rasmussen — are getting closer to the average, and Obama has been steadily rising in every poll.

        There can still be “game changers, of course. It’s ain’t over until the fat lady sings — but she’s just off stage warming up her voice. Romney will have to perform brilliantly in the debate, and Obama will have to stumble badly, to change thing

        I think we can all agree about one thing – we’ll be glad when we can once again watch TV without be presented with some candidate’s American pasturized truth product every five minutes.

        • Liberty Lover

          If the four American lives tragically lost in Libya on 9/11 have the effect of denying an incompetent Obama Administration a second term, they will not have died in vain.

          • John Breithaupt

            Liberty Lover, Please explain how the Obama administration could have anticipated that an idiot would make a sophomoric video about Mohammmed, that this video would be posted on You Tube, that riots would break out “in protest” against this video, and that Al Quaeda would, under cover of the unrest, assassinate our ambassador in Benghazi and three of his staff members. Please explain in detail what Obama should have known and done in order not to be incompetent.

          • Frank Kahn

            We can all only go by what is reported about the incident. First of all there is a less than 5% chance that the movie has anything to do with the attack in Libya. Second there are reports that officials in Libya warned the US that something was coming, to expect violence. Third there are reports that our Marines were not armed (live ammunition) at the time of the attack (a claim that when asked the administration did not deny, just danced around the question). The administration (Barak Obama) said it was just a riot that got out of hand when it was a well planned and militarily executed attack. Libyan government says it was orchestrated by AL-queda. We have been supplying them with money and arms lately. The Libyan government not only did not attempt to protect the consulate, there was no emergency response sent to the fire.

            These are all items reported in various accounts not just Fox news.

            Now where does incompetence come into it? Why were our Marines hobbled by not having ammunition to use in protection of the consulate? Was it an order by Obama to lessen the possibility of angering the Muslims because of having ARMED Americans in their country? The reason is a non-issue since it resulted in the deaths of American citizens. Kind of like sending a swat team into a barricaded suspects home when he is firing semi-automatic weapons and not giving the swat team any bullets. Also, assuming there was a warning as alleged by the Libyan government, why were they not either evacuated or put under heavier military guard. And to get back to the origin of this problem. I distinctly remember two very stupid things said by Obama. 1. We are not now and never have been at war with the nation of Islam. 2. There are no terrorist attacks they are simply human caused disasters. Well, the nation of Islam is at war with us, so I think maybe we are at war with them. And when someone straps a bunch of explosives to their body to blow up Christians and Jews that is terrorism, not a natural disaster. I know he is not stupid but, what he says and does is stupid when it comes to our national security and the safety of our citizens.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

            Frank, First, I want to thank you for writing a well reasoned response to my question that cites its sources and avoids personal attacks. A response like yours can be a basis for a real discussion — which is what is supposed to happen on these comment boards.

            Secondly, it seems clear that we had not made adequate preparations to resist an attack on the Benghazi Embassy. My question is whether this fact shows that the Obama Administration is incompetent, or indifferent to the safety of the people stationed in our embassies and consulates thoughout the world. I do not believe that it shows either of these things.

            The Director of National Intelligence says that we did not have “actionable intelligence” of a specific attack on the embassy, and I have read nothing to contradict that. Our failure was an example of the chronic inability of civilized governments to imagine in advance what actions might be taken by groups of people who are not constrained by decency or sanity.

            The Reagan Administration did not anticipate the attack on the Marine Corps barrack in Lebanon that took the lives of over 200 Marines. The FBI and other agencies did not anticipate that terrorists would fly passenger planes into the World Trade Towers, in spite of alarming intellience pointing in this direction. We are in general not good at anticipating the next moves of the crazies. We need to get much better at this, of course.

            I have seen no reason to believe that the Obama administration failed to provide adequate protection for the embassy out of reluctance to antagonize Libya’s leaders or public opinion there. It was a usual failure of imagination.

            I believe that Obama was right when he said that we are not at war with “the nation of Islam”, because there is no such thing. Islam is no more a united force than is Christianity; it has its sects (Sunni, Shiite, Sufi, etc.), which are far more bitterly opposed to each other than are the Christian churches to each other. Islamic attitudes toward the US vary from country to country, and within each country. The attack on the consulate in Benghazi was not the work of “the nation of Islam”, then. It was (probably) the work of Al Quaeda, which has taken advantage of the chaos in Libya following the downfall of Quadaffi to infiltrate the country.

            Our best course will be to make it as clear as we can to the world’s 1 billion plus Muslims that we do not consider ourselves to be “at war with Islam” per se. At the same time, we
            need to become better at imagining the cruel, irrational, criminal next moves of the extremists who murder in the name of Islam. And however good we become at the latter, we will still take hits from time to time. We will never achieve omniscience.

          • Frank Kahn

            Perhaps Obama was splitting hairs so to speak with his statement about the Nation Of Islam (NOI). You are wrong, it does exist, it is an organization started in the US by black Muslims. Some notable names are associated with it like Louis Farrakhan and Malcolm X. There is evidence to show that traditional Islam does not agree with some of the ways that NOI members comport themselves. However NOI does follow the tenets of Islam in its teachings. You used both Nation Of Islam and also just Islam in your post so maybe you are as confused about the difference as I was. Maybe we are not at war with NOI because they are black American Muslims. To say that we are not at war with Islam is either blind stupidity, ignorant optimism or you are a Muslim. The whole premise behind the teachings in the Qua’ran is the supremacy of Islam over all peoples. It teaches that all who do not worship Allah or submit to being sub-human slaves to Muslims must die. I will not split hairs with you on this, that is a threat to kill me or enslave me. I call that a declaration of war on my personal safety. If you are a Christian, Jew, Atheist, Agnostic, whatever belief other than Muslim, you are a target of Islam and will be killed or enslaved if you dont fight back.

            I dont want to hear the pathetic BS that says it is only the RADICAL Muslims that do this. It is not a matter of being a radical, it is more akin to being their military units. We, as Americans, dont go off and fight against our enemies, we send our military to do the job. The people of Islam dont do it either, they send their military (what we call terrorist organizations) to do it.

            And, your prevarication that it was not Islam so maybe it was AL-queda makes no sense since, AL-queda is made up of Muslims and therefor a part of Islam.

            And if anyone wants to discuss NOI, I have many great pieces of information about just how insane and misguided their leaders were in their extremely hateful racist ideas. Imagine that the Earth is actually 16 trillion years old when the Universe is only about 16 billion years old by scientific estimation. And God made Adam from BLACK mud so he was a black man? Some evil BLACK scientist create white men from blacks? The white man in America has held blacks as slaves for 400 years (when did our nation get started), that would be since 1612.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

            Frank, You are right – I was confusing your use of the term “Nation of Islam” with terms denoting the world’s Islamic population. (BTW, is there a term for that?) Still, Obama is far from endorsing or participating in the hatred espoused by such groups. Even in the case of his famous (or infamous, if you prefer) pastor, Obama has been careful to distinguish the good that this man did for his congregation (which was considerable) from his angry, hate-filled rhetoric — Obama has praised the one and condemned the other. That strikes me as just, and I hope to be treated the same, with people distinguishing my best deeds from my worst, and treating me as the very mixed bag that I am. If Obama does in fact hold grudge against white people, please point to one specific action of his that could have been inspired by such a grudge.

          • Frank Kahn

            I cannot personally determine if any given action by Obama is motivated by him hating white people. I can attest to the fact that he is a black racist. Now whether that means he hates whites is up to someone else to decide. I use the term black racist because he sides with blacks in disputes where it is black against whites (his perception of the cause).

            If someone attacks me and I kill them in the struggle is it a racist act just because he is black?

            If someone is lurking around my property late at night and I call the police, am I a racist if it turns out he is black?

            The answer to both of those questions is NO, so whenever someone claims it was racism, it is actually that person who is being racist.

            My opinion of Obama is based on his words and actions alone, and I see him using race to insight civil discordance. He uses words that he probably thinks helps lessen the hatred of Americans by Muslims. By the teachings of Islam and by current events, this is not working. The only thing he accomplishes with those words is to demean Americans. Blaming that video for the terrorist attack on our Libyan consulate was unforgivable.

          • Gea

            I voted for Obama because he is such an excellent story teller that he can sell you a lemon for a price of Cadillac an he has been doing it since January 2009. When I started observing his actions, I came to realization that this man is a traitor of American values and should be impeached and tried for his role in the rape and murder of the US ambassador in Libya. His administration prevented US Marines to carry live ammunition in Arab countries with which they could have saved US Ambassador. IN addition, Obama KNEW that attacks were going to occur on 9/11/2012 and did NOTHING, but left defense of American embassies to Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization whim he helped get in power in Egypt and Libya.

            Obama should resign and be tried in a court of law and in the court of public opinion and not be allowed to stay one more day in the White house where he is undermining US Constitution, helping CAIR, OIC and other Muslims to hide the fact that Islam is a supremacist ideology incompatible with US Constitution. Barak Hussein Obama had really been living up to his middle name and is endangering not only US but entire Western civilization which is being attacked by Islam itself! Read Koran, Hadith and learn about bloody history of Islam to verify it!

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

            Frank, Could you give specific examples of anything that Obama has said or done that unfairly advantages blacks over whites, or that incites blacks to attack whites, or fosters hatred of whites in them? Simple assertions that he has said or done these things are not persuasive. I cannot accept your characterization of Obama as a black racist until I’ve seen that he behaved like one.

          • Gea

            Obama had organized Blacks for Obama to help him get re-elected. If Romney had organized Whites for Romney, would the politically correct supporters of Obama tolerate it or call him a racist?! Obama belonged to a black racist Antiamerican church of Jeremiah Wright. The main danger from Obama does not come from him using his pigment to the maximum but his subverting US Constitution in order to prevent Americans from finding out that Islam is a supremacist ideology incompatible with US Constitution.

            The stated goal of his Muslim Brothers (whom Obama gave $1,500 millions) is “to infiltrate America and destroy Western civlization from withing and outside, and establish true religion (Islam) over all others.” Obama is a traitor of American values and should be impreached for his role in the gruesome rape and murder of US ambassador in Libya and letting terrorist organization into White house, helping infiltrate America.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

            Gea, Obama gave the Muslim Brotherhood all that money? Wow – where did he pick up that kind of cash? About Pastor Wright, the man is obviously a complicated mixture of good and bad. Obama has embraced the good in him and condemned the bad. I don’t call that black racism. I call that justice.

            As for the Koran’s assertions of the superiority of the faith that it proclaims over all others, etc. – yes, it’s there, but this hardly proves that Muslims as a whole are ready to join the terrorist lunatic fringe. BTW, the Old Testament says that we have a duty to stone to death any women caught in adultery. At the Chuch I attend, we just forgive them. Maybe people of faith know which parts of their scriptures to adhere to in practice.

            And I believe that the vast majority of the people on this Earth, whatever their professed faith, are more concerned with the daily struggle to put bread on the table than with jihads, pogroms, or whatever that are remote from the (often exhausting) challenge of procuring the day’s groceries.

          • Gea

            >Gea, Obama gave the Muslim Brotherhood all that money? Wow – where did he pick up >that kind of cash?

            Barak Hussein Obama managed to bypass congressional approval and continued this “sid to Egypt” after Muslim Brotherhood came to power there with his help. Last week US Congress managed to block an additional $450 millions in aid to Muslim Brotherhood that Obama wanted to continue giving to them.

            >About Pastor Wright, the man is obviously a complicated mixture of good and bad. >Obama has embraced the good in him and condemned the bad.

            Obama had used black church to gain support of majority blacks in US. He is a cold and calculated man who tells everybody what they want to hear in such a convincing way that people do not realize that he is lying. I also fell for his lies in 2008.

            >I don’t call that black racism. I call that justice.

            I call it playing your pigment to a maximum just as his wife did. Without affirmative action there would be no Obama in any position of power., as Geraldine Ferraro rightly pointed out and was attacked for telling the truth by politically correct morons Obama played a poor black kid, when in fact his grandparents were upper middle class who sent him to private schools (from age 10-18) and hired a private tutor, Frank Marshall Davis,who was a member of Hawaiian Communist Party. “Justice “is just as an excuse that Communists and Islamists use to achieve power over masses whom they oppress once they get this power. Communist run and Muslim run societies are examp0les of corrupt systems that belong on a dung heap of history since they are not for human consumption. Neither is Obama who is a true believer r in both such rotten ideologies I know this since I lived in one such country and was surrounded by others before coming to US in 1976.

            >As for the Koran’s assertions of the superiority of the faith that it proclaims over all >others, etc. – yes, it’s there, but this hardly proves that Muslims as a whole are ready to >join the terrorist lunatic fringe.

            Some studies have shown that about 20% of ALL Muslims (some 1.5 billions) are ready to murder and die for Allahu Akbar, just as terrorists of 9/11 did and as many young Muslim men do because they believe that they will get into Paradise with 72 virgins and 12 per-pubescent boys if they murder Jews and Americans. That means that there are some 300 MILLIONS of crazed Muslim (mostly) men ready to murder you and me as infidels. There are now 50 millions of Muslims in Europe, terrorizing EC countries and people are finally waking up to what they had allowed to happen with allowing this stealth jihad into their midst. Obama is our Trojan horse of Jihad!

            >BTW, the Old Testament says that we have a duty to stone to death any women caught >in adultery.

            While Jews had abandon this custom 2000 years ago, Muslims in sharia run countries practice it and Muslims in America want to introduce this medieval evil sharia, incompatible with US laws into USA, and are helped by Barak Hussein.

            >At the Chuch I attend, we just forgive them. Maybe people of faith know which parts >otheir scriptures to adhere to in practice.

            None of the other religions are totally disrespectful of others and women as Islam is. Islam is trully vile supremacist ideology of hate of non-Muslims and is incompatible with US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I have read all the other “holly books” of all other religions and none is as vile as koran and Hadith. over 60% of Koan and 90% of Hadith are hateful passages urging Muslims to hate and kill.

            >And I believe that the vast majority of the people on this Earth, whatever their >professed faith, are more concerned with the daily struggle to put bread on the table

            Yes, except when Islam and its imams and mullahs accuse Jews and Americans for those troubles of daily living. Most sharia run countries are basket case corrupt economies, made so by Islamic teachings of SUBMISSION and expelling Jews and now Christians who were always leaders in economic advances in those countries.

            >than with jihads, pogroms, or whatever that are remote from the (often exhausting) >challenge of procuring the day’s groceries.

            Young Muslims men are easily swayed to believe that Jews and Americans are responsible for their sorry economic situation and with Islam teachings that they will go to a Paradise which in Islam is more like a whorehouse, with 72 virgins and 12 prepubescent boys, they prefer to blow themselves up and murder Jews and Americans for this promise of wild sex, denied to them by their poverty. Islam truly stinks and so does BO in the White house ;-)!

          • Frank Kahn

            There was an incident right in the first year of his presidency when a white security guard at a university questioned a black professor who was having a problem getting into his house. The professor said the security officer was being racist, only questioning him because he was black. Obama jumped in and said such racist behavior was unacceptable without learning all the facts. I was not able to find a link to support this item.

            In the Trevon Martin case where an Hispanic man killed a black man, Barak Obama, when asked about it being racially motivated, did not say it was. However he made the statement that if he (Obama) had a son he would look just like Trevon. Now since he is not Trevon’s father and Michelle is not Trevons mother one must assume that the only thing that would make Obamas son look just like Trevon would be the fact that they are both black. I would consider this to be a racist remark but, that is my opinion.

            http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/46834310#46834310

            On the subject of doing something that favors blacks over whites, he signed an executive order setting up a BLACK ONLY assistance program for education. If you read the entire order you will find that it involves all black teachers, schools, counselors and students. It is blatantly racist in that it says the only reason our country is not on the top of the world in our education is because of the poor educational opportunities for black students. He states that by bringing up the performance of blacks in school, our nation will once again be the top nation in education. He says that BLACK students get disciplined unfairly in school. White teachers dont understand the special needs of AFRICAN AMERICANS. He implies that it is the failure of the white school system that causes such a high percentage of AFRICAN AMERICAN male students to drop out of high school.

            I fail to see the logic behind these statements. Our school system is failing all of our children, not just AFRICAN AMERICANS. Even the white, Asian, Mexican and European students in our country dont perform at the levels of students in Japan. If he was not being a black racist he would institute changes and put in better support for all students not just blacks.

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/26/executive-order-white-house-initiative-educational-excellence-african-am

            The Obama administration has also made it clear that Colleges and Universities should use RACE as a determining factor in admission scoring. This concept apparently is targeted at getting more (possibly less qualified) AFRICAN AMERICAN students into colleges.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/education/us-urges-campus-creativity-to-gain-diversity.html

            Now, I am not saying that there isnt a problem in the school system. If there are legitimate problems (caused by the school system and not the families) that can be fixed then we should make every effort to do so.

            To say every problem for learning by African Americans is the fault of the white school system is blatantly wrong and a racist attitude. Some of it might be, but, some is probably caused by the social structure in which they are raised. And lets not say it is a problem for all blacks. If your family does not have a strong support for education in the home then you are at a disadvantage to other kids. If your home life is filled with lots of stress and anger you will project that into your school life which might cause discipline problems. These things can and do affect any children that have that type of home environment not just blacks.

            I use the theory of reversal of roles to determine if something is racist. If a white president signed an executive order giving special privileges to only white students how would the African Americans feel about it. Would that be racist? If that white president told colleges that a student being white should be the determining factor in his acceptance to college would that be racist?

          • Liberty Lover

            >>>>>”Obama has been careful to distinguish the good that this man did for his congregation (which was considerable) from his angry, hate-filled rhetoric — Obama has praised the one and condemned the other.”<<<<<<<

            I think it is safe to assume that most pastors do good thiings for their congregations. What distinguished Wright was his bombastic, hate-filled, anti-white, anti-American rhetoric, which Obama CHOSE to listen to for more than 20 years before finally denouncing it under the most extreme political duress.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

            Frank, Another point — I do believe that we should treat Al Quaeda as a separate case from the world’s Muslim population. There are something like 1.6 billion Muslims in the world; if they were all in accord with Al Quaeda’s beliefs and practices, we would be in MUCH bigger trouble than we are today. It is true that one sect of Islam, Wahabbism, does preach militant hatred of the West, but this sect is only a subset Islam. If we are to deal effectively with the Islamic world — and we must — we need to see it for what is it, a complex collections of sects, with some shared beliefs, but many schisms, doctrinal and political, and many internal rivalries, some deadly – the ghastly war between Iran and Iraq was one such conflict between nations both of which were at least nominally Muslim.

            And I don’t agree that because the Wahabbist/Al Quaeda philosophy incorporates Islam, that the reverse is true. I am a Catholic and accept my church’s teaching but I do not find myself in accord with those Catholics who bomb abortion clinics, who do so at least in the name of the teachings of the Church.

          • Frank Kahn

            Would you also separate Hamas from Islam? The teachings of Islam include the killing of all Jews. This is not just a terrorist thing, many Muslim nations parrot this view. Would you also separate MILF (Moros Islamic Liberation Front) from Islam, they terrorize Asian Christians, even attacking and killing students in a seminary. All over the world Muslims are killing Christians and Jews just because of their faith, do you say this is just the radicals? In Dearborn Michigan Muslim children attacked Christians with rocks and bottles of piss while their parents looked on, were these kids radicals? Were these kids taught that all Christians are evil? Why did the Muslim boy tell the Christian minister that he should leave Dearborn because he was not wanted there?

            I think maybe you need to study up on Islam so you will understand the mindset of Muslims in the world. There is no room for tolerance of other beliefs in their religion. Will all Muslims kill for their faith? Probably not but they will condone it. Their leaders say that the Qua’ran condones killing infidels (nor Muslims), there is no penalty for murder in the name of either Allah or Muhammad.

            I am not sure if there is some verse in the Bible that can be interpreted to mean it but I have never read where Jesus said it is okay to kill abortionists. And I am fairly certain that anyone who murders an abortion doctor will have to face severe punishment here.

          • Liberty Lover

            It has been refreshing to see ordinary Libyans denouncing and courageously taking action against the terrorists responsible for the atrocities of 9/11. It seems to me there has been far too little of this by Islamic leaders, and silence is often assumed to imply consent.

          • Nick Czudy

            John and Frank.
            I applaude your rational, sane and intelligent comments. I wish more of the comments on this block were as well thought out.
            You have to remember that the Ambassador to Libya was the man most in tune with the pulse, of the people and the terrorist groups. It was his call whether to call for higher level of security than he had. He reports to the state dept. and they to Obama.
            It is like arm chair quarterbacks for all of the commentators to lay blame on Obama.
            I have followed the event since day one and there was no definitive cause given in the first few days. They gave both possibilities and said that it was being investigated. All during this time, the Right wing media keep commenting and postulating that there was some kind of coverup. When they finished the investigation they stated that they thought that it was a planned operation from a local pro Al Qaeda group. What is all of the fuss about and the blame tossed at Obama. His administration behaved as how a sane and professional government should behave.

          • Liberty Lover

            Thanks, Frank. It does appear that those men lost their lives to the “political correctness” of the Obama Administration, i.e., a willingness to put American lives at risk rather than offend the sensibilities of their Muslim hosts. John doesn’t seem aware that even the Obama team has given up on the film narrative as an explanation for this tragedy.

          • John Breithaupt

            No, I am aware that the Obama administration now considers the attack to be the planned in advance work of terrorists, and not the spontaneous action of a mob. And I’m sure that we are already on the track of the terrorists. Whether we will ever catch up with them is another question — let’s hope. Still, I don’t see much evidence that the State Department skimped on security out of fear of offending local sensibilities. Certainly it was not out of sympathy for extremists that we skimped on security. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that Obama had such sympathy. Still, would he have been willing to take a political hit like this only weeks before the election? No, he was genuinely and honestly blindsided. If this becomes his pattern, the question of his competence becomes real. It isn’t now.

            Hey, what are doing blogging on Sunday morning? Shouldn’t we be in church?

          • Liberty Lover

            Some mindsets are more susceptible than others to be blind-sided by an incident such as this.

          • John Breithaupt

            Looks to me like a common enough mindset, since Reagan and Bush II both had it as well. As I wrote, people who are fundamentally decent and sane are not always good at anticipating the next moves of people who are neither — but we have to get good at this.

      • gunner689AI

        all of this is very true but the truth means little to BO supporters.

    • Vigilant

      John Breithaupt, your dismissing the accuracy of Rasmussen tells me only that you disagree with its results because it reports something you don’t want to see.

      You need to take a gander at http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/27/Flashback-rasmussen-most-accurate-pollster-in-2008:

      “Only one pollster earns an A grade for 2008: Rasmussen. It was, by far, the most accurate and consistent poll of the ’08 cycle.

      “A look at other media polls’ performance in 08 is especially illuminating, given the current questions surrounding their polls.

      •NBC/WSJ C
      •Marist D
      •ABC/WaP0 D+
      •Gallup D
      •CBS/NYT D-
      •Reuters F

      “So, if these polls were so off-the-mark in 2008, why should I pay attention to them now? It isn’t surprising that the worst-performing polls from ’08 all show Obama with a comfortable lead. The best-performing poll from 08 shows the race tied.

      “If you want to continue to ignore the problems in these polls’ samples, feel free. Just understand that you’ve hitched your wagon to falling polling stars.”

      Now, Mr. Breithaupt, you may want to explain how a pollster whose reputation depends upon accuracy would change their polling methodology from 2008.

      The proof is in the pudding. Rasmussen has by far been the most accurate predictor to date, and I will continue to follow them all the way to election.

      • John Breithaupt

        And Rasumussen now puts Obama ahead by 2 points.

      • Vigilant

        Fine, then that’s likely the most accurate number. Accounting for precision factors, that’s called a statistical tie.

        According to Rasmussen, “Currently, 43% of voters are “certain” they will vote for Romney. Forty-two percent (42%) are that certain they will vote for Obama. The remaining 15% are either uncommitted or open to changing their mind…There is particular pessimism among these persuadable voters about the economy. Only 14% think it will get better if the president is reelected. But just 28% believe it will improve with a Romney victory.”

        Now, instead of attempting to divert the conversation, perhaps you’d care to address the genesis of my comment on the heels of your contention that “Rasmussen is definitely NOT one of the pollsters most noted for is accuracy.” And, if so, why do you bother to cite today’s Rasmussen figures if they are so inaccurate?

        • Liberty Lover

          >>>>>”Now, instead of attempting to divert the conversation, perhaps you’d care to address the genesis of my comment on the heels of your contention that “Rasmussen is definitely NOT one of the pollsters most noted for is accuracy.” And, if so, why do you bother to cite today’s Rasmussen figures if they are so inaccurate?”<<<<<<

          Intellectual dishonesty, pure and simple. Standard procedure for the left. Thanks for highlighting it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

        Good, follow Rasmussen all the way to the election. Whatever floats your boat. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We’ll just have to wait until the evening of November 6 to see what kind of pudding the American people dish up for us to eat. I expect it will something to my taste.

      • Vigilant

        Well, that makes two times you have failed to address my comments or correct your error regarding the accuracy of Rasmussen polling.

        No problem, we are quite accustomed to leftists using the Saul Alinsky technique of diverting the conversation away from its origins.

        …and not manning up when they make a mistake.

  • willie lee

    Even though the media is distrusted by 60% of Americans, they will try and skew public opinion while the election is going on and if the results are like a Reagan / Carter landslide it will be time for all the acorn nuts to get their butts out there and try to stuff the ballot box while the media covers for them. This is why the media overlooks anything but rosy formulas for their candidate. They want to cover the the option to steal the election.

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.breithaupt John Breithaupt

      Willie Lee, Steal the election? It’s the Republicans who have been trying to do that by passing laws that make it difficult for Democratic-leaning groups of people – i.e., people without cars — to vote. The Pennsylvania Republicans tried this, passing a voter ID law which, according to a leader of the GOP party there, “just delivered that state for Romney”. The GOP also acknowledged that there were no cases of voter ID fraud to speak of — an important factor that lead the courts to invalidate the law. A less stringent law passed by the Ohio GOP was also invalidated.

      In Florida, registered voters are being tossed off the voter lists at the recommendation of a consulting firm with strong ties to the Republican party.

      Stealing the election — indeed.

  • http://www.eastcountyteaparty.com Barry Willis

    Wayne, you are the man! I hope to meet you some day on one of my trips to Vegas. You have just too much common sense my friend!!

  • BronxYankee36

    It should go unsaid which side of this election your preferences lie; however you do raise serious questions which, if the President is allowed to dodge, as in not saying “Yes” or “No” on issues like promises to balance the budget, to reduce the deficit, decrease unemployment, create new jobs in the Private Sector…and just as important, Why Not…and wheninhellareyougoingtostopblamingbush???? By this time I’m not even sure Which Bush he is blaming…perhaps the Dems will go all the way to Senator Bush of Connecticut! We don’t even get a “guilty with an explanation, your honor” from this dude.
    This is an election that can only be won – or lost – by the Romney Campaign, by its holding or not holding Obama’s feet to the fire. In all my moments of doubt, I find consolation in the words, “…and the Truth shall make you free. ”
    And, to Reverend Whoever Wright back in Chicago, loud and clear:
    God Bless America! God Bless America! God Bless America!
    ( If the good Rev would only speak out in strong support of Obama, Michelle, Barak and the girls could begin packing and go out and find employment in the real world…perhaps Soros would get them off the public teat? )

  • BronxYankee36

    Just after posting my previous comment, there came to mind a parallel with the NFL Bounty scandal which I’d like to toss out:
    If Reverend Jerry Wright out in Chi-town will go on the campaign for the Prez, I’ll go on record to pledge $500.00 toward the bounty. Anybody with me?

  • Dee

    I’m glad to hear Mr. Root saying Gov. Romney is 14 points ahead and hope we can belive it. I’ve on another site that obummer is ahead is some of the states.
    Anyone to votes for obummer should have their head examined. We cannot afford another four years of him.

    • nickkin

      Dee, it’s more than that and if or not elected, obama’s has continued the road to muslum infiltration in our country….they are in the WH now and if you have a chance, and this is for anyone reading this that you see “PROJECT 21″ from Glen Beck. This will open any American’s eye of what has been going on from years past. Look to the people in Congress and different diplomatic posts. Muslum brotherhood is in and that is what the vote means; not for an individual but for our USA.

      • John Breithaupt

        nickkin, I’m going to vote for Obama. Can you recommend a psychiatrist?

        In the meanwhile, please provide details and sources to substantiate your belief that Obama is covertly letting a Trojan horse filled with members of the Muslim Brotherhood into our citadel. We can’t fight this, of course, unless we know exactly what is being done. Defeating Obama at the polls would not be enough, if the thing has already gotten under way.

        • Nick Czudy

          John and Nikkin. If you are getting all of this information from a Glenn Beck story, the chances are 90% that it is all baloney. He is like Michelle Bachman. they both pull stuff out of their asses most of the time.
          Nick Czudy

  • nickkin

    Hang around long enough and you may qualify for the death panels to make a decision for you so forget the psych.. In his cabinet look at his peops that are working and advising him. Again…..look @ project 21…it puts everything in perspective. Mainline media won’t inform you but conservative talk will fill you in…..Fox is iffy but has some info that tells us about muzzies in the WH

  • Gea

    Barak Hussein Obama let Muslim Brotherhood into the White house, he gave them $1,500 millions for war on women and Israel and Barak Hussein is suverting US Constitution under the guise of “respect for Islam” to prevent Americans to find out that Islam is a supremacist ideology, similar to Nazi ideology, including delusional Jew hatred. Barak Hussein Obama is a traitor of American values and a real danger to US and Western civilization. He is a great story teller and will sell you a lemon for a price of Cadillac, but nothing he tells is true, except his true beliefs in Islam and Marxism, both ideoloogies that lead to dysfuntional societies, misery and tyranny. NO to Obama!

    • Nick Czudy

      GEA. From your writings. It is obvious that you are a bible thumping, bigoted religious zealot and nothing that you have been saying is true.
      As much as I am not religious and I think that the Muslim faith is an antique and vile religion. I also think that a heavy Christian religious dogma is almost as bad, except that they do not condone killing non believers. We would be better off in this world without any organized religion.
      But when you call Barack Obama, Hussein, it is obvious that you are using that as a detriment and a slur. It will play well with your party and kind, but any civilized and sane person will see it as a vile put down that it is.
      Can you tell me when the Islamic brotherhood was in the White House. I watch the political news daily, but seemed to miss that one and that you are an uncouth idiot.
      .
      Also calling Obama a islamic Muslim is a joke. It is obvious that Obama is neither.
      He is as far from being a Muslim as any other US politician. One can see that he was been careful to keep religion out of of government, as it should be. The US government is supposed to be a secular institution.
      One can see that Obama is not that religious and plays down, any religious attempt to take over government. I would put forward a theory that he is more atheist than religious.
      You can see this with his non zealous participation in the day of prayer. He uses the “God Bless America” as all other politicians do, to pander to the 80% of religious people in the USA. TO think that he is really a Muslim deep down is absurd. His religious pandering is a case of diplomacy to keep peace among all of the religious zealots.
      You think that if we had MItt slandering the Muslims faithful the way that he blusters in his speeches that they will turn and run and be silent., You are naive to think that. It would foment more terrorists.and more American deaths. Are you willing for him to then take America back into another war when he has to stand up to his blustering and put up or shut up.

      • gunner689AI

        Nice job of dancing away from the facts and turning on your retoric. If BO is not proud of his muslim heritage why doesn’t he use his real name; Barry Sorento. His father was a radical muslim, his mother was a nut job,his grandfather was a Kenyan terrorist, he was raised and went to muslim maddrassa muslim schools in Indonesia. His grandparents were atheist/socialists and all his mentors were communist radicals. All relevant documents such as college grades and how he got into Harvard and Columbia are all closed books. He constantly shows a weak face to his muslim masters. He claims he switched to Christianity, in a black nationalist church, but the muslims never put a fatwa on his head for the religious conversion. Everything he’s done in the Ill. State House, the US Senate, and as Pres. has been detrimental to our countries future as a free nation. His policies are straight out of the Communist Manefesto.
        Now those are the facts, like them or not. And you support him ? What the Hell is wrong with you ? You’re either a head full of mush college kid who believes everything their profs. brainwashed you with or you are a member of the dependency class. Either way, if you trully love America don’t vote.

      • Gea

        YOU are WRONG on ALL accounts because of your ignorance of either Bible or Koran, which I had read very carefully several times, in addition to books of Buddhism, Bhagavat gita (Hinduism), and Book of Mormon and history of civilizations. I also grew up in a Communist Country and can smell a Marxist rat when I see one in the White house.

        As for Islam, it is a supremacist ideology, similar to Nazi ideology, with its delusional Jew hatred. In addition, Mohamed was a pedophile, rapist, polygamist and murderer, and the movie that presumably caused riots of Muslim mobs all over the world, was a rather accurate description of this “Prophet” who in any decent country would be tried for his crimes and not admired. Obama is catering to Muslims out of his true belief in Mohamed and Islam supremacy, with which he grew up in Indonesia. from age 6-10, when he admired muezzin calls and considered it the “sweetest sound” to wake up with. Obama bowing to Saudi king, whose subjects committed crimes of 9/11/2001 is another indication that his extolling Islam and Koran go beyond just diplomacy.

        Obama is a TRUE believer in two ideologies: Marxism and Islam. When Obama came to live with his grandparents (who were upper middle class whites who sent him to a private school in Hawaii), those grandparents hired Frank Marshall Davis, a black man and a member of Hawaiian Communist Party who hang around till Obama went to college at the age of 18 (from age 10). Thus Obama role models, both in Indonesia and in Hawaii were Muslims and Marxist, both ideologies which create poverty, corruption and tyranny wherever they had been tried at the expense of liberty and human rights.

        Obama is the most dangerous man, not only to America but to the entire Western civilization, which he is trying to undermine by subverting US Constitution. His speach at UN clearly indicates his fondness for the pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murderer, who is admired as a role model by 1.4 BILLIONS of Muslims around the world who ARE at war with the Western civilization and ready to murder and die for Allahu Akbar as they did on 9/11/2001 and keep doing it all over the world, even in Fort Hood.. Obama;s social policies are contrary to the dream of Marti Luther King to judge people by the strength of their character and not by the color of their skin. Obama profited greatly from his pigment and would never be in the White house if it were not for political correctness which had prevented Americans to see who this great story teller really is: an incompetent Muslim Marxist faithful.

      • nickkin

        Nick…your either pandering for replies on your absurdity and ignorant statements, or live in another country other than America, or you are living in a time warp, or are physically blind and have not been given enough info on obozo in braile.

        • Nick Czudy

          Nickkin. It is exactly that you and Gea have such totally absurd comments that you need to know that your comments, as taken from Glen Beck or Michelle Bachman, is so far from reality that sane people laugh at your comments.
          GEA:
          Your comments sound like the usual tea Party far right rhetoric.
          Who is Barney Sorento, I am afraid I am not familiar with him. And I do not want to take to time to find out.
          Obama’s father was a Muslim and Kenyan. You added the adjective of “Radical & Terrorist” which do not apply. It sounds like to you everyone that is Muslim and from Kenya are automatically terrorists and Radical. Maybe that adjective can be said about you?
          Obama went to school in Indon.. You added the part of a Madrassa Schools. Again, did you add that? He was a child then.
          You say that his Grandparents were Atheist and Socialists. Again, to the right, everyone on the left is a Atheist and Socialist. I am an atheist and what is your problem with that. I am an moral and kind person, that does not need the fear of hell or the lure of heaven to be a decent person. From what I saw about his Grans mother, she was a typical, loving and kind person. Why so you have to always add your own adjectives to describing people.
          His mentors were not communists. To you, if you are social and help people then you are a communist. You have read the bible many times. (I have read it once) aren’t you supposed to help the poor and the sick? Isn’t that the Christian way? I am not a communist and I believe in helping those that need help.

          I have not idea on Obama’s college documents. So you will have to explain what the problem is with that.
          Obama has never shown a weak face to Muslims. You respect some one being cordial, respectful and diplomatic as showing a weak face. Not I. that is presidential.
          He claims to be a Christian now. Obviously you do not buy that. I for one, think that he is leaning towards atheism, but has to pass his share of “Praise the lords and God Bless America” as all of the other politicians do. That makes me sick. I wish that they would all stop doing that. So many politicians pander to the Religious masses by constantly injecting far too many religious slogans.
          They can’t put a Fatwa on someone that was never a Muslim. remember that he was a kid back them. I have not seen one iota of evidence that he is a Muslim. You mistake his treating then with respect as an application to their religion. I think that Obama is far too intelligent to buy into religious dogma.
          Nothing that he has done is detrimental to the USA or to you. Well maybe just your pride. He has been one of the very best Presidents of all time. He has kept the most promises that politicians have ever made. He saved your butts from an all out depression. He is restoring the US economy and is leading the world in coming out of this recession. I know that the GOP has tried to pin the line of “Obama’s failed Policies” But it has not worked because it is obviously not true. It is only in your minds. You have been brain washed.
          Name two freedoms that you have lost under Obama? I do no think so.
          There is nothing out of his policies that are out of the Communist Manifesto. Name two?

          And for your information I am 60 years old live in Niles IL and I have a business with 10 employees. Obama’s policies have helped me get out of this recession. Things are going well. I have no problem with him. I am not one of the 1% though. I do not make that much money.
          So you might be more believable if your try and say something that can be proven and is not just made up GOP talking points. I can be made to believe if proven.
          Best regards
          Nick Czudy

          • Frank Kahn

            Obama said he was a Muslim in his own words. He said of my Muslim faith.

            Appearing weak is a matter of opinion in the perception of the one who perceives. It is perceived as a weakness to claim that something is not a terrorist attack when it obviously is. It is weak to prevaricate over the truth of circumstances. It is weak to speak out against someones right to free speech, given in the constitution bill of rights, just because someone is offended by what is said (unless said speech is in violation of some other existing law). It was weak to not chastise the Libyan government for its total lack of prevention and response to the attack on our consulate.

            You might falsely accuse me of being a war monger but, deadly terrorist attacks should be met with even stronger retaliation. Terrorist will never stop or even lessen their attacks if you just say “now now boys that wasnt nice, please stop it”. He was weak to claim that we are not at war with Islam (Islamic terrorists), they declared war on us and attack us and our way of life so we are at war. He was weak in his stance on the terrorism against Israel. He is also weak in his stance on helping the economy since he keeps leaving out the poor part of the equation.

            That is my opinion based on what I see from him in his execution of the office of the President of The United States for America.

          • Liberty Lover

            Obama thinks his toughness on terror is established by the assassination of a frail old man and the murder by drone of a handful of endlessly replaceable Al Quaeda leaders. But as recent Zogby polls suggest, Arabs see him as a weak and ineffectual President who is deserving of their contempt. Respect for America within Arab countries has plunged to new lows during the past four years (except for Saudi Arabia). They mock him in Egypt for trying to buy their respect and loyalty. Is it any wonder that Afghanis, anticipating Taliban control once America is gone, have begun to curry favor with the Taliban by turning their guns on American soldiers.

      • Procyon

        You know when the posters start hauling out the “Marxist” and “Islamic” labels for Obama that the thread is neither serious nor worth the effort. Don’t cast your pearls… you know.

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  • Procyon

    The entire premise of this piece is untrue. I consume news all day long on television, the web, and newspapers and I have heard about Obama’s deficit in the white, middle-aged and elderly male demographic many many times. That coupled with the fact that the Gallup tracking polls most certainly do not show a “dead even race” (Obama is ahead) prove this article to be nothing more than hot air. Not even a good try.

  • Gea

    Everything I said about Obama undermining US Constitution and giving money to terrorists who are infiltrating America and even a Whitehouse (Muslim Brotherhood) is TRUE and verifiable, for anybody who takes time to do critical research. Obama is responsibnle directly and indirectly for rape and murder of the US ambassadoer in Libya and Muslim riots all over the world, because he helped those jihadists come to power and had prevented US Marines to carry live charge in all Arab countries, thus they could not defend Americans from Muslim mobs who attacked them.

    Obama had betrayed American values also when he bowed to Saudi king, whose citizens committed crximes of 9/11 while screaming Allahu Akbar, whcih they want to do again in the Islamic Center near the Ground Zero. Islam wants respect which it denies to EVERYZBODY else, calling Jews sons of pigs and apes, teaching superiority of Muslims like Nazis did and adore a pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murderer, who in any decent society would be tried for cimes.

    Obama extolls Islam and Koran while dissing Bible. IN addition he is a true believer in Marxism which in any society where it was tried leads to poverty injustice and tyranny, juast as Islam does. The number of people getting food assistance in my County had doubled, and the amount of money given for food stamps had trippled since Obama came to power. Obama is driving this country down the drain into dysfuncational third world country because is is an incompetent manager and also destroyer of American values of work and independence, and should resign and not run for any position of power.

    BTW, I voted for Barak Hussein Obama in 2008 because he is an incredible story tellter who can lie without blinking an eye, as Islam recommends to all Muslims who live among non-Muslims. He is a Trojan horse for “infliltration of America and destroying Western civilizat5ion from within and outside, and establish the only true religion (Islam over all others).” This is a direct quote from the long range goal of Muslim Brotherhood whom Obama let into the White house to make claims that sharia is just a nice law, rather than vile medievval evil rules incompatible with US Constitution or with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, just as Islam (Koran and Hadith) are.

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