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Obama’s Suicide Economy

October 4, 2012 by  


 

Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for PersonalLiberty.com. As John Lennon might say, “I want you to imagine with me for a moment.”

Imagine a U.S. President presiding over a country in major economic decline: sales tax revenues plunging; unemployment growing worse by the month; petroleum sales (the foundation of our economy) sinking like a rock; GDP anemic; the real estate crash worse than the 1929 Great Depression; 40 percent of the net assets of the average American gone; prices for food and gas skyrocketing; and suicides going up so fast, they now outnumber deaths from car accident.

Imagine that. It’s unthinkable!

Now, imagine in the face of all that, the mainstream media claiming things are getting better, refusing to challenge the President when he repeats over and over again the lie that “we are in recovery” and viciously attacking the Presidential challenger for daring to criticize the incumbent President? You’d be insane to picture that set of circumstances, right?

Sadly, it’s happening right now. We’ve gone from the world’s greatest economic superpower to an Obama economy where Democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi claim food stamps and unemployment benefits are economic activity. And in our final death throes under Obama we’ve become “The Suicide Economy.” That’s right. Americans are so happy and financially secure under Obama, they are committing suicide in record numbers. More people are now purposely killing themselves than die in car accidents — for the first time ever.

How bad is the economy? Here are the stats the mainstream media are covering up:

A month ago, California reported sales tax revenues plunged a shocking $539 million below expectations. That’s over a half billion dollars in one State, in one month. Does that sound like a recovery to you?

The jobless rate rose in 44 States in July, including nine out of 10 battleground States. In August, Nevada’s unemployment went back up past 12 percent again. Does that sound like a recovery to you?

The American Petroleum Institute reports that U.S. consumer demand for oil and other forms of petroleum in July was the lowest since 1995. Does that sound like a recovery?

The labor force participation rate for all workers is the lowest since 1981, but for men it’s the lowest in over half a century (since 1948). Obama’s campaign slogan is “Forward.” When it comes to jobs we are heading 55 years backward. Does that sound like a recovery?

“Help wanted” ads have collapsed in back-to-back months to the lowest levels since the Lehman Brothers financial disaster. Does that sound like a recovery?

Just days ago, we heard the terrible news that durable goods orders dropped a horrific 13.2 percent last month. That is a measure of factory activity. This was the worst drop since the throes of the deep 2009 recession. More signs of business off the rails under Obama.

The final sobering stat is that 37,000 Americans are now committing suicide annually under Obama — more than die in car accidents — for the first time ever. Does that sound like a recovery?

There are two conclusions to be drawn from all these sobering economic statistics, but especially the rise in suicides.

First, there is no recovery. We are in far deeper economic trouble than the media admit. I’m an entrepreneur, small-business owner and capitalist evangelist who happens to have a media megaphone. I can tell you from firsthand experience what is happening at ground zero of the economy. Business is what I do, what I live, every minute of every day. And I can report that it’s ugly (and getting uglier) on Main Street.

There are no jobs. There is no improvement in business. I predict that soon after the holidays (and the election), if the massive tax increases are allowed to take effect, the U.S. economy will suffer a dramatic collapse. The stats reported above are warning signs of a coming economic Armageddon. Is anyone listening?

But as bad as things are here, Europe is the real “canary in the coal mine.” Looking at the EU is like looking into a mirror to see America’s future under Obama. Just in the past few days, we saw in the headlines stories about what is unfolding in Europe: unrest in the streets, rioting, violence, one-third of the business in Athens out of business, middle-class people starving and scavenging through dumpsters in Hungary and Greece.

All of this pain and tragedy is caused by big government and big debt. By governments spending far more than they take in. Eventually, it catches up with you. Eventually, the investors of the world stop lending you money. And then, the crisis hits. All at once, your country goes from a normal existence to a Great Depression to a daily struggle for survival. Don’t look now, but it’s headed your way, folks.

Obama is leading us in the exact same direction as Europe. Obama’s plan is just Europe’s plan for the past half century. It’s just old, tired, worn-out, refried socialist failure.

The sales tax drop in California, the drop in petroleum product sales, the drop in factory activity, the drop in “help wanted” ads, the rise in depression and suicides: These are all signs of where we are headed. All the tragic economic statistics above prove that even Obama and the Fed cannot print enough fake money to paper over the truth — just as the European Central Bank and the IMF (International Monetary Fund) can’t print enough money to paper over the truth about Europe. The EU is broke, insolvent and about to experience an economic tragedy that history will talk about for centuries to come. And, of course, the EU is going to break up.

The second conclusion you can draw from the stats above is that the mainstream media are trying to protect Obama. They know that these bleak economic facts would doom Obama’s re-election. So they have imposed a total media blackout. You’ll never hear the truth about the state of our economy from the mainstream media.

Just consider if suicides were dramatically up under a Republican President like Reagan or Romney at the same time the economy was in free fall, what would the media say? They would not only make the connection, they’d be trumpeting this tragedy in bold headlines 24 hours a day. They would blame the suicides on the poor economy. They’d blame it on capitalism. They’d blame it all the spending cuts and lack of compassion of a Republican President.

So far, Obama gets a pass because of the biased, leftist media. But history won’t be so kind. There is only one way to describe what we are all living through.

Someday, history books will call this “Obama’s Suicide Economy.”

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you right back here next week. Same time, same place. God Bless.

Wayne Allyn Root

(W.A.R.) is a former Presidential candidate, the 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee, and a Libertarian-conservative national media star. His new book, “The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide” is a #1 national best-seller in bookstores, as well as an Amazon #1 Finance and Conservative bestseller. A former CNBC anchorman and host (then known as Financial News Network), Root is the ultimate Capitalist Evangelist: a blue-collar S.O.B. (son of a butcher) turned CEO, small businessman, serial entrepreneur, business speaker, and TV/radio commentator on the topics of business, economics, entrepreneurship, and politics. Root is a regular guest on Fox News, as well as on hundreds of conservative talk radio shows across the United States. His opinions reach tens of millions of Americans as a regular columnist and commentator for many of the most popular political and business websites, including FoxNews.com. He also writes regularly for The Washington Times. He is the bestselling author of eight books. Root serves as national spokesman for several companies, as well as a Senior Economic Advisor. Root is also well known in the television and media industries. He has hosted, starred and produced many television shows. Today, he is a producer of the highest-rated television show on Travel Channel. Because of his success in the diverse fields of business, media, sports, entertainment and publishing, Root was awarded his own 180-pound granite star in the Las Vegas Walk of Stars. Only 60 legends in the history of Las Vegas have received a star on Las Vegas Boulevard. A native New Yorker and graduate of prestigious Columbia University, this Capitalist Evangelist proudly resides in Nevada, a state with no income tax. His website is ROOTforAmerica.com.

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  • DaveH

    Wayne says — “Someday, history books will call this “Obama’s Suicide Economy.””.
    You think, Wayne?
    Lincoln imprisoned thousands of political opponents and caused the death of over 600,000 people to keep the South from determining their own destiny.
    FDR presided over 10 years of Depression, and caused the death of millions with his unnecessary and fraudulent entry into WWII.
    And those two are consistently ranked in the top 3 Presidents of the United States.
    It’s amazing the things that people can rationalize when they want somebody else’s money.

    • KG

      Umm, there has been something happening for the last 30 years that can explain a lot of what we see now. When Ron Reagan said “Government is not the solution, Government is the problem”,that thought has guided American politics ever since. Even though, if you really think about that statement, what he said was actually treasonous. You need to ask the question “Who is the Government?” Well, according to our Constitution, the first three words state plainly who is the government. “we, the People.” So, what good ole Ronny was saying is that “The People are not the solution, the People are the problem.”

      In 2008, we saw what “the People” thought about that. The People were tired of fighting endless wars and supporting welfare for rich people. The People spoke plainly. However, those who hold certain hegemonic positions in America became threatened. They are using the same techniques that all great propagandists use. Race, Class, and Religion.

      Why do people who insist that “Government” is the problem wish to participate in something they find so corrupting? Unless they are getting something they want.

      • Michael J.

        KG,
        Thanks for the example of pretzel logic. Spun facts to a velocity that would make a whirly dervish dizzy.

        Here’s what Reagan really thought:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QamMXGlknD8

      • Warrior

        “They are using the same techniques that all great propagandists use. Race, Class, and Religion.”

        I’d say you just nailed it! Exactly what the “lettle red book” teaches. Good to see, “progressives” in training recognize their work.

      • KG

        I’m sorry, but Reagan was just wrong. The numbers he spouted at his famous speech were all wrong. They were not adjusted for inflation. And, besides at that time, we were still paying of our ww2 debt. But the population of eligble workers were growing at a rate above attrition. He spouted those same numbers 20 years later, but added the term “welfare queen” to give it a proper southern theme. Besides, he really helped all of his areospace buddies through his deficit spending on the Cold War. Or, what might be called “corporate welfare.”

        Reagan was a corporate elitest. He told everyone to become entremanuers because Social Security was not going to be there. Well, You became an entremanuer, you didn’t pay your taxes, and now you would like to retire. Sorry about that.

      • don

        ask you self the question. do you be live that our goverment to day repersents what WE want no this gov. wishes to force feed us solalism. no way can we call this gov. US. sorry regan had it right.an your canot turn it around to fit your igena.

      • sb36695

        If you think that THIS government is “we. the People”, you are dellusional!

      • DaveH

        KG says — “When Ron Reagan said “Government is not the solution, Government is the problem”,that thought has guided American politics ever since”.
        It has? Who do you think you are kidding, KG?
        In 1988, Reagan’s last year, Federal Government spent just $1 Trillion. Now they are spending $3.6 Trillion. I was a young man in the 1980s and, with the exception of the misguided Drug Wars, things were much better then than now. And the Federal Government is 3.6 times Bigger Federal Government now.

        KG says — “Even though, if you really think about that statement, what he [Reagan] said was actually treasonous”.
        Hardly, KG, it is Liberal Progressives (and NeoCon Progressives) who are the Treasonous ones. They are the people who enabled Big Government to Grow uncontrollably and Trample our Constitution, thus heading the once relatively Free US back to the Primitive condition of Serfdom.

        You are just a member of the Society of Criminals, KG:
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Millie M. Leon

        KG you are a lowlife or your comments shows us what you are a LOWLIFE!!!!!

      • Wildmann

        Hey “KG” Would that be Short for K.G.B??

      • Independent

        KG, you should have a third initial, a B. When RR talked about Government, he was talking about our elected officials. You are still on the Kool-aid.

    • http://personaliberty.com Travis

      Fraudelant entry into WWII… didn’t we get attacked by Japan? We lost something like 3000 Americans. Do liberals think WWII was a hoax and Hitler was on to something promising?

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Travis,

        You write: “Fraudelant (sic) entry into WWII… didn’t we get attacked by Japan?” Either your vision is clouded or your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. I suggest two books for you: “Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover’s Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath” and “FDR Goes to War” http://personalliberty.com/2012/01/05/fdr-goes-to-war-how-expanded-executive-power-spiraling-national-debt-and-restricted-civil-liberties-shaped-wartime-america-by-burton-w-folsom-jr-and-anita-folsom/. These may open your eyes a bit.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • KG

        i guess you think that allowing facisim to rule the world would have been a good thing? Well, maby if you think your “rights” eminate from G-D, then you would have had no problem expressing you freedom under Nazi rule? Oh yea, Roosevelt was itching to get America into a war – after recovering from the worst economic disastar in our history. Well, if it weren’t for Roosevelts policies we wouldn’t have had an “arsneal od Democracy.” We would all be speaking German now.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear KG,

          My reply to Travis applies to you. You still have much to learn.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • KG

        Bob, I would like to know – what eactly do you smoke? Or is little pills? I know you think of yourself as a contraian. Well, if that’s the case, what’s wrong with Howard Zinn and his take on history? I would like to know a specific fact that Mr Zinn wrote that was wrong. Or, will you weasel – out by saying something like “I’m not a historian?”

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear KG,

          You write: “Bob, I would like to know – what eactly do you smoke? Or is little pills?” Childish ad hominems.

          You write: “Well, if that’s the case, what’s wrong with Howard Zinn and his take on history?” It’s fine, I suppose, for what it is: “In a 1998 interview with The Associated Press, Zinn acknowledged he was not trying to write an objective history, or a complete one. He called his book a response to traditional works, the first chapter – not the last – of a new kind of history.”

          You write: ” I would like to know a specific fact that Mr Zinn wrote that was wrong.” How about this for “a specific fact.” “Putting aside the wild accusations against Roosevelt (that he knew about Pearl Harbor and didn’t tell, or that he deliberately provoked the Pearl Harbor raid—these are without evidence)…” From History Is A Weapon, A People’s History of the United States, Chapter 16: A People’s War.

          There is much evidence that he knew in advance, didn’t tell and deliberately provoked. And in fact, in the previous paragraph, Zinn writes: “Pearl Harbor was presented to the American public as a sudden, shocking, immoral act. Immoral it was, like any bombing-but not really sudden or shocking to the American government. Russett says: “Japan’s strike against the American naval base climaxed a long series of mutually antagonistic acts. In initiating economic sanctions against Japan the United States undertook actions that were widely recognized in Washington as carrying grave risks of war.”

          “[Secretary of War Henry] Stimson had long wanted to get tough with Japan, even to the point of war… In August 1940, Assistant Secretary of State Breckinridge Long noted Roosevelt’s approach to Japan in his diary: “As a result of the interview [with Hull] I now understand that is has been discussed as a matter of high policy and the Administration has made up its mind to deal very firmly with Japan and that no steps will be spared and that those steps may even lead to war.” –FDR Goes To War, pp.83-84.

          “Ambassador Grew’s repeated warning that the Japanese would commit hari-kiri rather than submit to American dictation or starvation came true. They struck at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.” –Freedom Betrayed, p. 298.

          See also: http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH

        KG says — “Bob, I would like to know – what eactly do you smoke? Or is little pills?”.
        So now the low-life KG comes into Bob’s house and personally attacks him. What scum.

      • KG

        DaveH – so you have a problem with my ad hominem attack, but have nothing to say about the facts involved? Hmm. I guess Howard Zinn was right after all.

      • DaveH

        I brought a gun to your gunfight, KG. Do you have a problem with me treating you like you treat others, Lowlife?

      • Vigilant

        KG says, “i guess you think that allowing facisim to rule the world would have been a good thing?”

        After a statement like that, one must wonder if KG could find his backside with both hands, a flashlight and a map.

        (The admitted communist) Zinn was as wrong about fascism as are most leftists. Naziism, like communism, is STATISM. It is a left wing philosophy, not a right wing philosophy. KG and his fellow travelers always conveniently ignore what “Nazi” means, i.e., “National Socialist,” from the German “NAtionale soZIalist.”

        The myth that fascism was a right wing system is as false as the day is long.

      • KG

        So, what you are saying is that the US entry into WW2 was similar to our entry into Iraq? The plan to invade Iraq was written about 10 years before it happened. And that’s why you support the Republicans because they tell the truth about war? I know you say “I don’t support anybody”, but I’m willing to bet that you are going to pull the lever for Romney.

        I guess Mr Zinn is right when he agrees with you, but hes wrong when he dosent. I’m sure all of your closet “Joe Mc Carthys” appreciate that.

      • KG

        I guess the President was right when he said about the people who “…cling to their guns and religion.” I didn’t threaten anyone. Did you take your meds?

        DaveH says:
        October 4, 2012 at 9:29 am

        I brought a gun to your gunfight, KG. Do you have a problem with me treating you like you treat others, Lowlife?

      • Vigilant

        KG, DaveH didn’t threaten anyone. Get a good dictionary and look up the word “metaphor.”

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        A confused fellow, is our KG, who suffers from a rather severe Confucianism. He is, after all, a Confucianist. According to KG, words/language/communication are meaningless. In fact, and according to KG:

        October 2, 2012 at 6:03 am KG says:

        Words and language are all communications between one self to another and therefore USELESS.

        In fact, words, “FACTS” as we know them are ILLUSIONS!

        All statements are language and by definition OPINIONS!

        Real truth is EXPERIENTIAL, and cannot be MEDIATED.

        It’s the ultimate “…you had to be there.

        Bodhidharma – grandmaster of Kung Fu. c.e. 520

        Confucianism:

        Confucianism (from “confu” an abbreviation of the word “confuse” and the suffix “-ism” which means doctrine (also known as Confusionism); the word “cian” is just something to connect between the two words or maybe something that makes a hint to the creator) is a confusing doctrine to make people confused.

        The connection between this and the person named Confucius is a popular misconception. It has no connection whatsoever to him.

        Some sinocentrists claim that “Confucius” is an evil Western invention and that Confucius’ real name was Kong Qiu, or Kong Fu. They are simply confusing Confucius with a song, “Kung Fu Fighting”.

        This doctrine consists of many confusing elements such as:

        Meaningless point of view

        Point of meaningless view

        View meaningless of point

        Meaningless of view point

        View point of meaningless

        Of meaningless point view

        Point view of meaningless

        Of view meaningless point, etc… (Or-ay udy-stay uor-yay Atin-lay.)

        A confucians beliefs are fairly simple really. Women are property. Children are slaves. The ruler needs to get off his ass and care for his simple minded people. His simple minded people must develop a better sense of self righteousness and nationalism.

        Although nowadays the latter is held higher. Confucious (some old guy with a long forked beard), the founder, is seen as a deity. In fact, that’s the only reason it’s considered a religion.

        Monks memorize the philosophy of confucious in academies. On the outside, these academies look like nice little traditional houses with pretty little gardens. Never be fooled. Those “pretty” little plants are actually poisonous obstacles, making escape impossible. On the inside monks are forced to live in maximum security cells of concrete, eat rotten junk, and meditate in chains. This is probably because of the harshness on religion communism has these days.

        Since women are inequal, women cannot ever, ever, ever, EVER, have any bonus rights in society. In fact, her level of beauty is determined by how small her feet are. On top of that, women are treated more strictly during their childhood than men. This happened because Confucius was a man. Had he been a she, then the she a he, and a he a feehee, the women would’ve been on top.

        Followers of this doctrine consists of nyerd, gyeik, and pholipolosophers, who are so confused that they can not spell the word nerd, geek, or philosopher correctly. These people often get confused and cannot tell the difference between the three Lawrences: (Mr) DH Lawrence, (Mr) TE Lawrence, and Merry Xmas (Mr) Lawrence.

        They believe that the Jacobean era tragedy by John Ford was really titled ‘Tis Pitty She’s a Whore Stop Giggling at The Back Jenkins. Yoda was not a Confucian, although he certainly sounded like one sometimes! lol chris nguyen is a homo

    • dan

      that about says it Dave H….enjoyed that comment as much as Wayne’s
      I heard that Nero had the decency to commit suicide when he figured out he would lose power,,,although decency used in reference to Nero, Lincoln ,FDR or Olahma is stretching

    • Sirian

      DaveH,
      Good points but you forgot one major player – The Fed. It most certainly has played a much more influential role in our history, economically/politically, over the past 100 years, than the majority realize. Especially here within the past twenty. Just saying. . .

    • Frank Kahn

      Okay DaveH, call me a stupid hick that aint got a chance of understandin nuttin about history. And, while you is at it let me know yer take on howun weuns isaposta unnerstan how dems utter peppl wudda kep usens all saved frum dem Nassys.

      Sorry for the dumbed down spelling but, I was using that to indicate the level of education it might take to think your assertions are factual and valid.

      I will agree that, Pearl Harbor was not an unpredictable or unexpected occurrence considering the state of negotiations then present with Japan. I will also agree that having the entire Pacific fleet in the harbor at that time was either very stupid or possibly contrived for use as a catalyst to draw us into the war. However, once the attack took place, it was necessary to respond to the Japanese aggression. And, Japan, once they decided to take us on were not going to be satisfied with just that one attack. They had a formidable military war machine that took extensive resources to counter and defeat.

      So, you might say that we (the government) set up the factors that drew us into conflict with the Japanese. You can also say that it was the catalyst for turning our nation (the people) into a massive dedicated war machine (necessary to survive this time).

      This also drew us into the war in Europe. Regardless of your opinion, we were needed in that war to defend the crumbling nations who were failing to stop the advance of the Hitler war machine.

      History tells us how all the events leading to our victory against Hitler happened. It is pure speculation on whether some miracle might have happened and suddenly Europe would defeat Hitler. As it stands, our contribution to that war effort is what turned the tide.

      Now to another speculation, would our war effort in Europe have been as strongly supported if not for the attack on Pearl Harbor? We were not directly threatened by Hitler at that time so, I doubt that we (the people) would have been willing to drop everything and put all our efforts into fighting over there. Would we have had the military might to turn the tide without that effort? Maybe, but that is speculation.

      So what part of WWII was unnecessary?

      • DaveH

        Good to know you’re not a dumb hick, Frank. So you should be able to easily read this:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

        • Frank Kahn

          Read it and still stand by my earlier comment.

          I believe that there are always two sides to provocation. Japan was complicit in the argument which resulted in our presidents obstinate posturing. The attack on Pearl Harbor was unacceptable no matter the provocation. Retaliation was necessary at that point.

          All wars are essentially unnecessary, and they are most assuredly contrived by the leaders of either nations or religions.

          However, having said that, wars become necessary when the leader of one nation intentionally attacks another nation for whatever reason.

          Hitler was evil, stating that new information regarding some atrocities that were blamed on him were in fact not done by his military does not lessen his pushing war on the world.

          The only way to prevent major loss of life when leaders commit acts that push events to hostilities is to have the leaders fight it out personally hand to hand to the death. If this was the rule of war then they would think twice before doing the stupid things they do.

  • Warrior

    I can also say from “first hand” experience under onlama, stagnant wages, 35 % iincrease in properrty taxes, 66% increase in state tax; doubling of gas price; health care premium has doubled; increase taxes on utilities; home value decline of 40%; Personal NET Worth decline every year for the last 4. I’ll betcha there’s millions of my countryman in exactly the same situation.

    I get it. This fraud” and his “progressive” cohorts are really bad for the “majorities” health. Pull the right lever and the cesspool will be drained. Well, almost, ya got wait a couple years for the reid/pelosi cabal but their time is coming too!

    • Smilee

      Warrior says:
      October 4, 2012 at 7:03 am

      YOUR POST

      I can also say from “first hand” experience under onlama, stagnant wages, 35 % iincrease in properrty taxes, 66% increase in state tax; doubling of gas price; health care premium has doubled; increase taxes on utilities; home value decline of 40%; Personal NET Worth decline every year for the last 4. I’ll betcha there’s millions of my countryman in exactly the same situation.
      I get it. This fraud” and his “progressive” cohorts are really bad for the “majorities” health. Pull the right lever and the cesspool will be drained. Well, almost, ya got wait a couple years for the reid/pelosi cabal but their time is coming too!

      MY COMMENTS ON IT

      I do not know what state you live in but the house values did go down 40% at the bottom and now are down 20% so they have come up 20% and because of this decrease in value my property taxes went down, state taxes were cut not increased , the gasoline has except for that one deep dip in January 09 have been basically steady up and down, up and down but execpt for that very short period of time were not half so that statement is basically false as well. My personal worth not including my home decreased by 30% in 07-08 and bottomed in mid 09 and since that has been erased and my net worth is 10% higher than before the recession so no long term loss there I saw no increase in utilities at all and cost of heating fuels the last two years have gone not up and that was due in part to warmer weather that decreased demand thus lower prices. Wages have been stagment since the eighties so why single out Obama as it had been the case for a quarter of century before he became president. If you think changing president will change that you simply do not understand. This is a 30 plus year problem in the making and will take another 5 to ten years to reverse if we do not let your selves me deluded into thinking the grass is greener on the other side of the fence when that grass is poison, looks great but it is a disaster waiting to happen, Romney if elected will not be able to do 10% of what he said he can do and that is just the nature of the beast and wishful thinking on his part and he either does not understand that or he does not care, I suspect both is true and we all heard that 47% comment with him looking down his nose at almost half the population and if that does not convince you that he is really about real class welfare then nothing will. He wants a government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich and hell with the rest of the population, the last time that notion was prevalent was in the 1920’s and history records the disaster that turned into and it would again if problem is not addressed for everyone and that takes time but we have almost turned that corner and as soon as demand returns and it will if we do not change course and when demand increases the economy will improve for all unless we ignore the needs of so many which is Romney’ goal clearly stated by himself when he is not under tv cameras and is quite different than the real Romney who id good and playing to the camera and making money but that does not make the man good for the country as whole just the few.in his league derogating “WE THE PEOPLE” I live in MN. What state do you reside as my reality is nothing like you describe. DO you even live in the USA

      • Dale left coast

        Is it lonely on planet Zircon?
        16 TRILLION is federal debt . . . the bus is about to go over the cliff . . . the FACTS are there for those that want to see . . . the ECONOMY is SHRINKING . . . rapidly ! ! !
        Romney said 47% are passengers . . . that is a FACT ! ! ! Are you a PASSENGER Smilee?

        • tony

          I like President Obama but he’s trying to be a consolidating president at the bequest of his Environmental Base supporters and these people will lead the world towards unsustainable civil unrest at a time when we need expansion in the economy and in the key areas that can avert disaster . To Trust Government at historic times like these is not the answer because Government has Always fallen Short during times of worldwide food shortages and directing funds toward those areas that can expand the supply that inflation is signaling shortages ahead in !!! This is what the free market is all about , but the free market has been being controlled and manipulated like the LIBOR scandal which kept investments going in the wrong direction while we had Inflation spiking in the key areas surrounding food and energy . We need someone that can direct the economy towards the Global food shortages we see coming by the Inflation that’s not being reported on the state of our worlds food bases economy and this President is Doing Nothing about leading on EXPANDING the Food Supply so we can Avert a Disaster on the Horizon !!! Wake Up and Elect a Business Man that sees the Hand Writing on the wall and that if you want World Peace then you need Abundance in Resource supply to feed and Clothe a Growing Population , it’s just that simple , WW 2 born the era of Food and Resource Expansion that gave the World Peace after the struggles of Famine and lack of Human needs and this time we face is NO DIFFERENT Human Demand is Out Pacing Supply Again and we need to realize this and start working on expanding the supply !!!!!
          Experts: Global Food Prices at Levels That Spark Riots
          http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Riots-food-prices-global/2012/10/03/id/458486?s=al&promo_code=1040E-1

          Look at this Disconnect , here is the Obama Economic Federal Government Trickle Down System Romney referred to so Brilliantly in last night’s debate NOT Identifying with the Needed Investments between Private Sector investors investing in Expanding the Food Supply so we can avert the Looming Food Shortage Disaster , Where is President Obamas Leadership HERE ????? This is why Top Down Government Controlling the Economy has always Led to Famines in the Past World History and then the disaster is SO GREAT Genocide becomes the last Resort why they try to build back up Food Stocks , Wake Up People before its too late , because once we see the Current Economy Collapse it will interrupt the efforts to keep ahead of this coming food shortage expansion effort , This is Code RED !!!!!
          QE4? The Big Wall Street Banks Are Already Complaining That QE3 Is Not Enough http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/warnings-that-a-massive-stock-market-crash-is-imminent

          This next link tells us that Obamas Economic Policy is not sustainable and that’s Because these funds are not being invested in Supply-side expansion Projects like Food expansion that can predict future supply sustainability for a growing population worldwide , Wake Up people wake up …
          http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/qe4-the-big-wall-street-banks-are-already-complaining-that-qe3-is-not-enough

        • tony

          I like President Obama but he’s trying to be a consolidating president at the bequest of his Environmental Base supporters and these people will lead the world towards unsustainable civil unrest at a time when we need expansion in the economy and in the key areas that can avert disaster . To Trust Government at historic times like these is not the answer because Government has Always fallen Short during times of worldwide food shortages and directing funds toward those areas that can expand the supply that inflation is signaling shortages ahead in !!! This is what the free market is all about , but the free market has been being controlled and manipulated like the LIBOR scandal which kept investments going in the wrong direction while we had Inflation spiking in the key areas surrounding food and energy . We need someone that can direct the economy towards the Global food shortages we see coming by the Inflation that’s not being reported on the state of our worlds food bases economy and this President is Doing Nothing about leading on EXPANDING the Food Supply so we can Avert a Disaster on the Horizon !!! Wake Up and Elect a Business Man that sees the Hand Writing on the wall and that if you want World Peace then you need Abundance in Resource supply to feed and Clothe a Growing Population , it’s just that simple , WW 2 born the era of Food and Resource Expansion that gave the World Peace after the struggles of Famine and lack of Human needs and this time we face is NO DIFFERENT Human Demand is Out Pacing Supply Again and we need to realize this and start working on expanding the supply !!!!!

      • Smilee

        Dale left coast says:
        October 4, 2012 at 10:52 am

        And your responding to WHAT?????????????????? Try say something that makes sense if your capable of doing that!!

      • .50BMG

        Worlds longest sentence and biggest blast of hot air. Please go kneel and kiss the floor for your messiah and leave us alone.

      • Warrior

        Oh smilee, come to chicago where you’re idol calls home (well at least until Jan 13 when he moves to his grandma’s house. Ya know the same one that worked her way up to VP of a bank but ended up living on SS and Mediscare). Run by none other than progressives for the past 60 years. Ya see, here if your home value drops, we can fix that by increasing your equalizer and voila, you end up with an increase. Yes, the progressives cut payroll tax by 2% and again voila, the local progressives will increase your state obligation by …. you guessed it, the same amount of the reduction. See how easy this works. Hey, did you hear the one about SS just needing a little “tweaking”?

        • Smilee

          After you come down from your high, you maybe want to try and give a response that makes some sense!!

      • GALT

        Dale, buddy………relax……16 trillion ain’t the problem and the bus ain’t going
        over the cliff……….if you are all stocked up and ready for the ‘cliff” your problem is
        you are going to have to eat that stuff before it’s expiration date…….

        Things will be better after the election…….although poor Wayne will be having
        a going out of business sale………

      • Dee

        I dont know what planet your on but our property taxes continue to go up, also our utilities, and health care has gone up significantly, Im so tired of it, now I know why why old people are so crabby, Im getting there too, it is just harder and harder to live and when you have a job you never get raises and that also means professional jobs. I spent a lot of years in school and still do not make what I should make. I dont want 4 more years of Obama, let someone else have a chance and if he screws up then he should ge out in 4 years also.

    • skippy

      Wow…I hope you are right. But I think Pelosi/Reid are cemented to their respective posts…and can only be removed ‘surgically’!!

  • Karolyn

    Hmmm. Was I dreaming when I saw the other day that some of the major retailers are planning on doing much more hiring for the holidays and keep more people on afterwards?

    • Warrior

      I’m sure glad, I don’t see rachel maddow in my dreams. Yikes! Time for a reality check Karolyn.

      • Karolyn

        No, it was real. Actually, they started taking applications last week.

      • Vigilant

        …as they do EVERY holiday season.

    • Karolyn
    • Sirian

      Karolyn,
      No, you weren’t dreaming, in reality, this is very common place, so what? You’re just now seeing this for what it commonly is? Please. . .

      • Karolyn

        The fact, Sirian, is that they are adding more jobs than usual and plan on keeping on more people than last year. Last year they kept more people than the previous year. Why do you people continue to only want to see what is going wrong? Why can’t you give credence to anything that goes right? YOU are the reason the world is in such a mess. That’s what pessimism and cynicism does! Negative energy! And before you would poo-poo that assertion, you need to do some research. if more emphasis was placed on good, more good would come. It’s just sad that bad news sells better, and people like you just relish it because it supports yoru agenda!

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        No Karolyn, it is you and your flower-child cohorts who are “the reason the world is in such a mess”.
        If you really believe in all that “positive” energy, why do you and your fellow Liberal Progressives enable the coercive Force of Government to take over our country?
        What next — Chiding the victims of the next holocaust for whining so much?

      • Sirian

        Karolyn,
        No, it is not a new fact – far from. I worked for the Oklahoma Employment Commission, the state employment office, for several years and have plenty of experience in referring people to jobs listed this time of year. I have sent untold numbers of people, veterans specifically, out to different employers that were seeking new hires for the upcoming holidays. So, whether you accept it or not, it is very common place. Employers of retail stores or otherwise have for years hired “temps” for that purpose and that purpose alone – the holiday rush. Yes, some “temps” are retained beyond, not all, but some – that too is common. Again, it is not new, not new at all. You’ve simply read something that sounds good and cheerfully boasts about something that conveniently satisfies “your agenda”. Call your local state employment office and talk to them about this – I promise it won’t hurt. BTW, you seem to have forgot that all taxes will go up come Jan.1, 2013. Employers truly are concerned about that – believe it or not.

      • Karolyn

        Dave – Don ‘t knock optimism unless you’ve tried it. I certainly do not speak for all liberals, nor do you speak for all conservatives. Not all conservatives are pessimists and not all liberals are optimists. Why do you insist on making it about politics. It is more about reality than you think. It is just so so logical. The more negative energy there is, the worse tihngs are and vice versa. That has nothing to do with poliItics. If you have never researched the subject and know nothing about it, you have no basis for knocking it.

      • Karolyn

        OMG, Sirian. The rate of hire is INCREASING over last year. Why do you want to shoot down good news? Don’t you want things to get better? It would seem that you would not if you can’t recognize it when you see it. I am really puzzled at peoples’ reaction to good news. Cyncism has taken over, and that is definitely NOT good news.

      • DaveH

        I am positive, Karolyn. Positive that you contribute little to this board, and apparently have some need to make an effort to raise your self-esteem by knocking us down.

      • Karolyn

        Dave – I have come to the conclusion that you are one of the worst judges of character I have ever come across, and I really feel sorry for you to be so jaded.

      • Karolyn

        Actually, Dave, thinking about it, you should read your comment to yourself while looking in the mirror. You take every possible chance you can get to put me down no matter what I might say, and I have never provoked that from you. Is it that you don’t like a woman to disagree with you or what? You have no respect for anyone but those who think like you.

    • KG

      Rachel Maddow is the smartest and sexyest woman on TV. I think what turns me on the most about her is that fabolus brain she has. Man, I get goosepimples just thinking about her. I wish I were a woman so I could be her lover.

      • DaveH

        Even Rachel Maddow doesn’t deserve that awful fate.

        • tony

          Rachel looked really down as Chris Mathews was Ranting over Where was their President last night …. Ha Ha Ha Ha , and Bill Mahur said he was looking like the Naked Emperor without his teleprompter Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha , stand in puppet master gone a rye

      • http://Yahoo.com Bill

        KG – suffice to say that you need some help. Google mental health and find yourself a good doctor. If you don’t have the money, go to Turners. Guns are cheap and fast.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        October 4, 2012 at 9:20 am

        Even Rachel Maddow doesn’t deserve that awful fate.

        IT WOULD BE A FAR BETTER FATE THAT IF IT WAS YOU

      • momo

        KG, you need glasses!

      • Vigilant

        …and Smilee needs a brain.

        • Smilee

          Is that the best you can do, does not appear you even know what a brain is. Grow up boy!!!

      • Vigilant

        “I get goosepimples just thinking about her. I wish I were a woman so I could be her lover.”

        Got some transgender issues, KG?

      • the big easy

        @-k g —————-COMRADE————I can help you on that little detail,I have a pair of very sharp shears,SNIP,SNIP,done,then again maybe you only need one SNIP ????? Give it some consideration !!!!!!!!! It might be a benefit to ALL mankind.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Rachel was born and raised in a compound for those faithful to the revolution in Castro Valley, Cuba to Ivan Maddow, an attack pilot in the Peoples Defence Forces and Oksana (nee. Trotsky) a party informant and former lover of Raul Castro. It was rumored for a time that Rachel may have been fathered by Castro. This was later proven false. Rachel is, however, in fact, the granddaughter of Leon Trotsky.

        Rachel entered the Joseph Stalin School for Primary Indoctrination in 1978 where she learned the basics of living in an egalitarian, Utopian society. Teachers at the institute explained how people in the United states ate their own children to keep from starving. That no one in the states could read And that only 20,000,000 people had any sort of health care while 310,000,000 Americans were dieing of syphilis. Where in Cuba, at least everyone had government health care, a ration book that allowed for a pound of beans, a pound of rice and a quart of milk for every child as often as every single month. In addition, in Cuba at least one person in each and every neighborhood had access to a 1949 Buick. In America, people didn’t even have legs and no one dare travel to Cuba but any Cuban was free to swim to Miami and see the squalor for them selves.

        In 1987 Rachel entered the Brezhnev Preparatory Academy for girls where she majored in Political science and minored in cosmetology. Baring a striking resemblance to the academy’s namesake, Rachel was quickly chosen the be the Girls Field Hockey team mascot.

        Rachel being a bright young lady, finished her 4 year course of study at Brezhnev Academy in 2 years and so matriculated to the Fidel Sassoon Cosmetology Polytechnic in 1989 where she swapped her major and minor. Rachel quickly Rose to the top of her class, was elected master at arms of the schools pantry and had an hour long call in show on the campus radio station (Radio Free Cuba) where she took calls from faithful party members and encouraged Americans to swim to Havana for a better life.

        In her junior year at Fidel Sassoon, Rachel was accused of misappropriating the schools electrolysis machine. To this day, Rachel swears she had nothing to do with the missing machine. Rachel’s mother feared that the Communist party in Cuba may have been setting her daughter up for a crime she didn’t commit. Remembering the fate of her grandfather Leon Trotsky in Mexico City at the hands of the assassins, Oksana Trotsky Maddow saved 3 months worth or ration books to trade for 2 used truck tire inter tubes. One night, Oksana woke her daughter, hurried her down to the beach and the mother and daughter set sail for Miami and a life free of threat from the party.

        By early 1992, Rachel (now 19 years old) and her mother Oksana were living in the Little Havana neighborhood of Pascagoula, Mississippi. The Maddows had set to sea on their intertubes in the midst of a hurricane and were blown all the way to the Central Gulf Coast.

        Rachel and her mother lived in a state of limbo in America. With no family in the U.S. , the Maddows rented a double wide near the Navy ship yard. Oksana feared she may have to do menial work beneath her station but as a potential political refugee, she managed to scrape together $500.00 per month in State welfare, $295.00 per week in unemployment, $450.00 per month in social security for Rachel’s benefit, $200.00 per month in food stamps along with state Medicaid. Rachel took a job in a hair salon and with a grant from the federal government, enrolled at Nathan Bedford Forrest Community College.

        Rachel once again switched her major back to Political Science. Ever the activist, Rachel searched for an outlet. Rachel applied for internships with The Southern Poverty Law Center, the NAACP and the ACLU but ultimately, found all 3 organizations far too Conservative.

        Living without direction. Rachel hoped that her political Science studies would stimulate her. But alas, the courses in the U.S. failed to fulfill. Professors insisted on exploring all political cultures and never focused on the one true form of government that protected the proletariat from Capitalism and Theology. Though the professors seemed devoted to Socialism, they always caved to senseless standards of a well rounded curriculum.

        The Maddow Family found America confusing. Where in Cuba, the government removed the stress of choice. In America, people were forced to make choices. In Cuba, if you want coffee, you go stand in the coffee line on coffee day. In America, you first have to decide where you want to buy your coffee. Then you have to compare prices, then quality, then flavor… “I’d rather be water boarded exclaimed Rachel on her first trip to the Piggly Wiggly.

        Most frustrating for Maddow was that dissent was tolerated in America. In Cuba, The Premier tells you what is right and good, and that’s it. One never need worry who to vote for. It’s been decided for you. In America, there is more then one party and they all run in one election against each other…At the same time… For the same office. It was during her second year at Forrest Community College that she resigned her self to one day, help lead her new country toward a perfect Socialist society.

        “Dear Diary, I’m finding my course in America, and my cause. America is a beautiful country but it is flawed with Representative Democracy, Too many choices and options and ambition. There is no system in America to deal with Capitalists or people with goals who are not satisfied with what the State provides. I will strive to bring such a system to America. Until the day when we can send dissidents to reeducation, I will have to resign my self to treating people who don’t see what I see like the ignorant fools they are. These soft Americans don’t know what smug is… Wait til they get a load of me.

    • GALT

      Mr Romney said that “he was going to create 12, million new jobs”

      Which turns out to the exact estimate of the projection of our current path……..

      So who needs Willard?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        So who needs you?

      • GALT

        Cogent and precise stupidity once again……thank you Jay….keep it coming.

  • Tazio2013

    America Has Already Collapsed – Wednesday, October 3, 2012 – by Brandon Smith / FYI

    Last night’s debate only validated Brandon Smith’s article!

    America Is Supposed To Be Controlled By The People

    The concept of a Republic revolves around a reversal of the traditional narrative of power. Throughout most of history, government stood at the top of the pyramid, where the hands of a few dominated the destinies of the citizenry. The future was a matter for the elites, not the peasants, to be concerned with. The American Republic, as designed by the revolutionary colonists who defeated the old oligarchy (at least for a time), flipped the role of government to servant rather than master. The goal was to make government tangible and accountable rather than abstract and untouchable. The America of today has no such accountability anymore.

    We have a two-party system [in reality, a one-party Republikrat system] that pursues the mechanizations of globalism in tandem, not in contest. When both parties have the same desires and goals, when both parties collude to remove civil liberties rather than protect them, and when both parties are funded by the same corporate backers, there is no such thing as change through the process of elections. Anyone who claims that government corruption can be punished through the ballot box hasn’t the slightest clue how our system really functions. They think we are still living in the original “America,” one that values the voice of the people.

    When the government decides to push through banker bailouts, the Patriot Act, the National Defense Authorization Act, etc., all while ignoring opposition by a vast majority of citizens, it is clear that the paradigm has shifted and the American value of representation by and for the people is lost.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/america-has-already-collapsed.html

    • GALT

      Can’t lose what never existed………

      “We the people”…..has no meaning…….

      “All men are created equal” has no meaning……..

      “CREATOR” has no meaning…….

      “unalienable rights” has no meaning………

      The “right to life” has no meaning………….

      Wayne Alan Root has no meaning……..and he is a complete IDIOT!

      Do you get my meaning………probably not…..but I bet you have an “opinion”……

      Let’s see……..

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Ah yes, Confucianism…

        “You gotta help me! AAAH!!!!”
        ~ some random confucian monk on Confucianism

        “Confucius say: verb conjugation is unnecessary skill if want to be famous philosopher.”
        ~ Confucius on how he’s got it allll figured out.

        “He, enamored with wizen wisdom, with whom by neither slander nor deceives that with which generally but not gradually permeates into the passing mind, nor statements, nor ideas startling – a wound in the flesh – are successful in not failing for from that where they may, through hell tormented, called by statements of wizen but deprived wisdom intelligent indeed.

        But he, in decietful ignorance, cunning with malignance with whom by neither knows nor cares to know nor possess upon he, in deceitful but lacking malignance, than with whom he seeks into depth the world, is, in words unbeknowst the wizen man, stoutly confusing.”

        ~ Confucius on not making sense

      • GALT

        Yup relevant and on topic as usual…….

        Sorry jay, no confucious today…….yesterday I did confucious……….as an introduction…

        clueless then…..clueless now……RUN!!!!!!!!

  • Tazio2013

    The [Republikrat] Political Farce in America / FYI

    A sort video well worth watching:

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/the-political-farce-in-america.html

    • dan

      Thanks…thought provoking…only disagree about Ron Paul being lumped with the dingbats
      and Che being other than a murdering psychopath like most who accede to power

  • Jenasus

    What do you expect from a terrorist?
    Obama is a Muslim and his religion is Islam. Just like the terrorists Obama’s only objective is to destroy America.
    Obama’s only HOPE is to CHANGE America into a third world country like Kenya where he was born.
    If Obama is re-elected Obama will continue moving FORWARD to destroy America.
    Obama hates America and is jealous of Americas Freedom.
    Obama is trying to abolish our rights of Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion and our Right to Bear Arms.
    Obama is also destroying the value of the dollar so the world will convert to a one world currency followed by a one world government, The New World Order.
    In the New World Order we the people will lose all of our rights as Citizens and become Subjects (SLAVES)
    Even if Obama loses the election he can still declare Martial Law and become the Dictaor he loathes to be.

    • http://yahoo.com bobdavidson

      How right you are this clown makes carter look good

    • libertarian58

      How right you are, but obama is only one in a long line of globalists sent to destroy liberty and promote global government under banking elites starting with Adam Wieshaupt sent here in 1776 by the Rothschilds to corrupt our financial system with central banking and counterfeit money. The FED is the eventual result and both parties are guilty. Counterfeiting of the world’s money is at the very root of all of today’s economic problems.

  • brett

    i love this idea of a biased liberal media when the majority of media outlets have become so far right conservative that pbs and npr are considered bastions of left wing state propaganda (thanks to the fcc eliminating the fairness doctrine in ’87). if you want to blame anyone for the economy, blame big banks and corporations that all of the media outlets agree are sitting on trillions in assets waiting to see if they have to pony up or go back to the free for all that continues to ruin the economy.

    • rb

      So….where are the reports on the real state of the economy then? Where are the stories on the record number of suicides? Hmmm….

      • brett

        they are there, you just have to liberalize your mind!

      • DaveH

        Now what did rb say to deserve such an evil wish, brett?

      • steve

        Rb,

        I am a real estate Broker and I have been one for the last 30 years, believe me when I tell you this market is as flat as I have ever seen it. The only business I have is people calling me for land so they can escape the cities. Most of them don’t even have enough to make a down payment. They do know that they will have a better chance to survive in the country so they are coming.

        According to the press I have seen and most people who watched, your candidate did not even show up last night. The reason is he and the Democrats can not defend his insane policy when someone finally puts his feet to the fire. Eastwood nailed it when he said Obama is the “Empty chair”. 4 more years, I don’t think so. How can you possibly trust a man who promised over and over again no new taxes unless you make more that 250 k and then passed the largest across the board tax increase ever? On everyone! Don’t think it was a tax, ask the Supreme Court.

        • tony

          There is NO EXPANSION in Obamas Economic Policies NONE at a time when the Only thing that will save the FREE Market is EXPANSION !!! and the first Direction is FOOD worldwide for a 80 plus Million population growth per year Expansion but no one addresses this fact with EXPANSION but rather Death Panels For CRYING OUT LOUD !!!!!

    • alpha-lemming

      Inre the “Fairness Doctrine”……

      I’m more than willing to give it a second look as soon as you can give me a good reason as to why 2+2=7 deserves equal billing with the facts.

      • brett

        fitting name, your comment makes no sense. please do give a second look and maybe you could respond with a lot more substance.

    • brett

      i’m not surprised that both retorts are hollow, ignoring the meat.

      • GALT

        not hard to explain,,,,,,tort reform is a big plank……what’s a couple of extra letters…..

        the “self reliant, rugged individualist, (faux) productive types” have never been noted for their intellectual abilities……….and these people are not even that…….and too foolish
        to realize that in terms of materiail possessions, their ‘american dream’ has been limited to
        “winning the lottery”……..and the evidence there is that those that DO…….manage to
        f*ck that up, also…….

    • DaveH

      brett says — “if you want to blame anyone for the economy, blame big banks and corporations that all of the media outlets agree are sitting on trillions in assets waiting to see if they have to pony up or go back to the free for all that continues to ruin the economy”.
      So brett, what have your Liberal Media done to expose the Crony Politicians, the Crony Bankers, and the Crony Capitalists that both major parties support?
      Read this to learn more:
      http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349360862&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff

      • the big easy

        @-dh—————-COMRADE———Just who is it that controls the banks,with all those rules and regulations,your boy,mo-bummmmer and the tax cheat ‘ole timmy gitneer,and of course that other puke benney barnakey.———What a puke—————-

      • GALT

        leave ole “classical liberal” DaveH alone………

        you can blame your president or you can blame the Fed

        I doubt you can do both…….but it might be fun to watch you try?

      • DaveH

        It is both, working in conjunction. But then, I guess that is too large a number for Galt to understand.

      • brett

        hey daveh, link and gore’s current channel have all kinds of docs, and their political commentary is more balanced than fox or here any day. even though i consider pbs to be middle of the road, just about any frontline series are fantastic.

      • brett

        checked you link; so you don’t think that there are not two sides to the same coin?

      • GALT

        So “classical liberal” DavidH……..was that a TRY?

        Supposed to be a TRY?

        You are JUST so much FUN……for a “classical liberal”…….

  • Jim B

    Our POTUS is clueless and has been for his entire term, perhaps his entire life. He clearly is out of his league when dealing with the economy, foreign policy, and the defense of this country. His recklessness and ineptness knows no bounds, and has caused severe damage to our country. The history of this POTUS and the destruction of our counties liberties to be and live as free men and women has placed the country, once termed ‘the land of the free’, in 18th place on the global freedom chart. To even consider to put this Marxist and his 38 Czars back in charge of this country for another 4 years is treasonous.

    And a reminder to those parents who have young children still serving out their government mandated 12 year sentence, or have entered into the now run government corrupted college systems, talk to your children, teach them what is most definitely not being taught in our government run learning center of today, and that is the Bill of Rights, the Constitution of the United States, and the Declaration of Independence. We have forgotten because the government has managed to remove it from the curriculum. How, we, in the land of the free, have forgotten such teachings is beyond me, but we must take our country and our liberty back, and if you read these documents you will realize that it is our duty as citizens to do so! God Bless!

    • Karolyn

      Uh, sorry, history classes have not been removed from the college curriculum. If it is not in the lower grades, that is the parents’ faults for not paying attention.

  • TexasRide

    Great conservative comments and Wayne Allyn’s article is “spot on” as usual.

    Time for Americans to put goverment in its place….that of servant to the people!

    I loved the debate last night! It showed omaumau for what he is….a socialist pig that could talk about nothing but “Investing in his failed government programs.”

  • http://none Mikee B

    Lets face it. No matter what happens in the debates 40% of the population will vote for the
    Jackass party (OBama) even if that candidate pees all over himself in front of the nation like
    he did last nite. Romney handed Obama’s head to him. His head was empty as his brain was
    backstage inside the teleprompter he could not use. He just looked and sounded like a guy so
    tongue tied from smoking way too much weed in his youth and doing other drugs that he
    can’t function as a normal person without help. We are a nation being governed by a man with
    a bunch of old slogans and no substance. The only reason he’s the President is because the
    economic crisis struck at the perfect moment for him in 2008 and John McCain was just as
    mentally slow as Obama. Romney was sharp as a tac. His performance last nite should sway the
    5-10% vote in the middle dramatically. Chris Christie said on Sunday the race would be turned upside
    down on Thursday morning. He may have hit the nail on the head.

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  • tony

    Does this Look like a President that has the best Interests of the American People at hand or a Ideological vision of how the People should be handled ???
    A 13 Minute Video Every Voter Should Watch about Obama saying in 2009 that he would have the most transparent administration ever and that he would bring the parties together to solve the big issues .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Nz0ZK8yMARw

  • tony

    Doctor Critiques Obamacare , you be the judge !!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ejbC7K0RpU&feature=youtu.be

  • tony

    Where is the Obama Leadership here as Americans Leader in expanding the food supply ?? He should be telling congress Get to work and Ben Bernanke get to work funding the Expansion in Food Supply Where is he ???? Experts: Global Food Prices at Levels That Spark Riots
    http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Riots-food-prices-global/2012/10/03/id/458486?s=al&promo_code=1040E-1

  • tony

    This is how Obama is practicing building a civilian Security Force .
    Obama removes penalties for countries using child soldiers
    http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/02/obama-removes-penalties-for-countries-using-child-soldiers/

  • tony

    Heres how Obama will cut the Cost of Medicare …..
    Don’t Fool Yourself: Of Course There Are DEATH PANELS In OBAMACARE
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/dont-fool-yourself-of-course-there-are-death-panels-in-obamacare/

  • tony

    Krugman: You Can Call Em Death Panels But They’ll Save Us Money
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/krugman-you-can-call-em-death-panels-but-theyll-save-us-money/

  • tony

    Is this what Obama meant when he was talking to the Russian PM about having more flexibility after he is reelected ???
    Montana’s Soviet-Style Government Healthcare Clinic
    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2012/10/03/montanas-soviet-style-government-healthcare-clinic-

  • alpha-lemming

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  • tony

    Consider what UN News is saying about the Food Shortages that are looming and then ask yourself does it look like Obama is promoting food sup[ply expansion as the policy to deal with the problem or another approach when you see what the other stories say regarding the Obamacare debate ?? Wake Up and Get someone in there that will allow the Free Market to work and will Direct it to expand the supply before its to late and Famine brings us Genocide as the solution these Globalists want !!!!!

    • the big easy

      @-tony——-This administration is I think very deep in with the monsanto corp.,with all their ‘genetically modified’ seeds.This is BANNED in many other countries.The monsanto corp. is fighting hard to NOT have to label the content in the foods.

      • GALT

        Gee that is a problem………you would think that the non GMO producers would be
        smart enough to label THEIR PRODUCTS??????????

        P.S. That was NOT a rhetorical question…….

      • Karolyn

        Actually, GALT, they do. You have probably never visited a health food store. The problem is the proliferation of GMOs hidden in a great many foods now.

      • GALT

        True……..but for me, health food store’s are not convenient……..and regular stores
        do “organic”….in a kinda, sorta who really knows kind of way……..non gmo produce seems like a no brainer……but I haven’t seen it yet…….

        besides I haven’t had a good tasting tomato in years…….so I quess the only
        way to deal with this…..is grow your own.

  • http://hathcockchrisandstan.wordpress.com stanandchris

    It is beyond my understanding why the political left continues to support this administration. What has it done to deserve such adulation? The economy is in the toilet and continues on a downward trend. Freedoms have been lost and the danger of being a dictatorship have probably never been greater. I truly do not understand why people continue to support this regime and it’s failed policies. Do they truly believe they would be better off if the government owned everything?

    People, socialism does not work. This has been proven over and over again throughout history. The USSR was basically a socialist country, IT FAILED. If government owns everything, and it is responsible for “the people”. Do you really think the socialist government will provide wealth to the masses? If you think you will be better off with the government having total control over your economic lives and personal freedoms that we currently enjoy, then I believe you are delusional. The government will take care of those that are responsible for their remaining in power. Do you really think those power brokers give a rat ass about your well being?

    If you enjoy your freedoms, if you enjoy your way of life, if you want to raise your children the way you want to raise your children, then you can not let the government take over your lives and hope they will provide for you and yours. It won’t happen, None of these people are in this game for the money, none of them! They are in it for the prestige and the POWER it affords them. They are already filthy rich. Do you think Obama or Romney care about $400,000 salary per year? It may be a lot of money to you and me but it is absolutely of no concern to these very wealthy people. THEY WANT THE POWER!

    It is our job to keep these people in check. Make them do what they are supposed to do which is work for “the people”, if they don’t act in our best interest, then they need to be FIRED. I don’t care if it’s Obama or Romney or Bush, if they don’t do the job with the welfare (not check) of the people at heart, and enact legislation with that in mind and act in any way that is detrimental to the people then get them out. Whoever it is Democrat or Republican. It doesn’t really matter which one sits in the White House, just do the damn job.

    I have heard discussions as to why people are going to vote for Obama this election, and the majority say that Romney won’t be any better. Maybe not, so what, we know what Obama has done and will continue to do if reelected. Is 4 more years of the same failed policies what you really want?

    I don’t necessarily trust or like Romney either. However, I know what Obama is about as proven by his record. Why wouldn’t most people like to change to at least a chance to improve things with Romney?

    Unless, of course, you are a racist and want to have a black in office just so you can say so, or your a government dependent and want to protect your way of life which is depending on the government for everything. If that is the case, then you are a failure and a leech on society anyway and you don’t really matter.

    But for people who want to actually EARN a living and have a chance to IMPROVE your lot in life, and you still want to vote for Obama, then you are thoughtless and pathetic.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Idiots one and all. Wasting your time ranting your diatribe in this wasteland. What a shame.

    • S.C.Murf

      Is that all you have CaB? I suppose after you cried all night because of the poor showing your savior in chief exhibited one can’t blame you for not being on top of your game of liberalism. Better luck next time

      up the hill
      airborne

    • Dee

      stan and chris, I couldnt have said it better myself!! We work to pay our bills and have a better life and not for the government to take it away from us and give it too the ones who want everything handed to them. They need to get off their butts and go flip burgers if thats all they can do, or they can spend many years in school like me to get a career!

  • moonbeam

    What really floored me was when Obama said “Social Security is structurally sound.” Couldn’t believe it. He said it really fast and not very loud, then quickly tried to deflect from it. The camera was right on him when he said it. I could sense that he did not even believe his own words.

    I loved it when Mit called out obama on the $516 BILLION (I read $570 billion somewhere) he raped from medicare to pay for obamacare. obama even tried to justify this with insidious rhetoric. Sorry, Barry. Just like your SSN# and birth certificate, it doesn’t pass the smell test.

    I loved it when Mit informed the people of the thousands of dollars in higher taxes they will be paying starting Jan. 01, 2013. Yep, that’s right folks, the LIAR in chief LIED about not raising taxes on the middle income earners. Hurting families will need to come up with another $2000+ in tax money. Your health benefits will be taxed as well (money that never passed through your hands). Welcome to poverty.

    While I’m not cazy about Mitt either, we need to evict Obama from the white house on 11/06/2012. We simply cannot do another 4 years of policy fails. Oh, I would have TSA stand at the door and frisk everybody leaving.

    • Smilee

      Moonbeam

      What really floored me was when Obama said “Social Security is structurally sound.” Couldn’t believe it. { THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND SS OR HOW IT WORKS, IT NEEDS SOME REVISIONS TO COPE WITH CURRENT CONDITIONS AS WE HAVE A DID A NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE PAST ADJUSTED IT TO PROVIDE THE NEEDED CORRECTIONS TO CORRESPOND TO CURRENT CONDITIONS. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT WE ONLY TAX WAGES TO $106,000 PER YEAR AND ROMNEY MADE OVER 26 MILLION LAST YEAR BUT NONE IN WAGES SO HE WAS NOT REQUIRED TO PAY ONE PENNY INTO SS OR MEDICARE LAST YEAR WHILE SOMEONE MAKING 20 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN WAGES HAD TO PAY $840.00 AT THE REDUCED OBAMA RATE. SS WILL BE ADJUSTED AGAIN UNLESS ROMNEY AND FRIENDS GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GUT IT OR KILL BUT TO SAY IT IS STRUCTURALLY NOT SOUND IS BS AND EVEN SOME REPUBLICANS ADMIT THAT THESE BUT ROMNEY IS SUPPORTING RYAN’S DESTRUCTIVE PLANS FOR SS AND THAT COULD BE DISASTER } He said it really fast and not very loud, then quickly tried to deflect from it. The camera was right on him when he said it. {JUST YOUR ERRONEOUS OPINION} I could sense that he did not even believe his own words. {SO YOU THINK YOU’RE A MIND READER TOO NOW, HE KNOWS WHAT HE SAID IS CORRECT AND HE BELIEVES IT TOO, THIS STATEMENT EVEN MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID.}

      I loved it when Mit called out obama on the $516 BILLION {THE FIGURE HE SAID WAS $716 BILLION} (I read $570 billion somewhere) he raped from medicare to pay for obamacare. obama even tried to justify this with insidious rhetoric. {APPARENTLY YOU HAVE BOUGHT INTO THIS LIE WITHOUT FACT CHECKING IT, THIS AMOUNT WAS ACTUALLY A COST SAVINGS TO MEDICAE, LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT IT REALLY IS, MEDICARE WHEN THE C PART WAS MADE LAW IN 2004 COST 14% MORE THAN Medicare B &C PER PERSON AND THIS NEW LAW SAYS THAT BOTH WILL NOW BE PAID THE SAME RATE, THIS WAS AN OVERPAYMENT GIVEN THE INSURANCE COMPANIES INSURING UNDER MEDICARE RECIPENTS UNDER PART C THAT HAS NOW BEEN CORRECTED AND THE FUNNY PART ABOUT IT IS THAT THE SAME SAVINGS IN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS IDENTICAL IN RYAN’S WRITTEN BUGET, ROMNEY IGNORED THAT LITTLE TIDBIT AS HE WOULD DO THE SAME AND ALL THE FACT CHECKERS HAVE DOCUMENTED THIS AS FACT, IN BUSINESS THIS IS CALLED COST SAVINGS AND ROMNEY’S KNOW IT AND KNOWS HE IS LYING TO US ABOUT IT TOO. NO MEDICARE RECIPIENT LOST EVEN ONE CENT AND ACTUALLY GAINED COVERAGE’S SO TO SAY ANYTHING WAS TAKEN OUT OF PEOPLE’S POCKETS ON MEDICARE RECIPIENTS IS JUST ANOTHER LIE, SEE THE MEDICARE MANUAL FOR THE REAL TRUTH SO THIS IS ANOTHER OF ROMNEY’S LIES LAST NIGHT}.. ASorry,{ Barry. Just like your SSN# and birth certificate, it doesn’t pass the smell test. {I GUESS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR NOSE THEN AS THIS IS TOTALLY BOGUS WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SUPPORT IT AND IS JUST ANOTHER LIE THAT ALL THE FACT CHECKERS HAVE DOCUMENTED.
      I loved it when Mit informed the people of the thousands of dollars in higher taxes they will be paying starting Jan. 01, 2013. Yep, that’s right folks, the LIAR in chief LIED about not raising taxes on the middle income earners. Hurting families will need to come up with another $2000+ in tax money. Your health benefits will be taxed as well (money that never passed through your hands). Welcome to poverty. {MORE LIES THE CBO HAS CALCULATED THAT OVER TEN YEARS IT WILL ACTUALLY SAVE A NET OF A TRILLION DOLLARS, THERE ARE TAX SHIFTS WITH BOTH NEW TAXES AND NEW SAVINGS BUT THE NET GAIN OVER TEN YEARS SHOULD BE A TRILLION DOLLARS AND THE FACT CHECKERS HAVE FOUND THIS TO BE TRUE TO}
      While I’m not cazy about Mitt either, we need to evict Obama from the white house on 11/06/2012. We simply cannot do another 4 years of policy fails. Oh, I would have TSA stand at the door and frisk everybody leaving. {I GUESS LYING DOES NOT BOTHER YOU MUCH BECAUSE YOUR WHOLE POST WAS PURE BS. WHY WOULD YOU VOTE FOR ONE WHO ONLY TELLS LIES, OBAMA INHERITED AN ECONOMY THAT IS GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST TEN YEARS TO GET US BACK TO WHERE WE WERE AND WE ARE HEADED THAT WAY BY ALL CALCULATIONS BUT IDIOTS LIKE YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE A TEN YEAR JOB CAN BE DONE IN 3.5 YEARS. I GUESS THAT IS WHY SO OFTEN ON HERE WE HAVE SEEN OBAMA CALLED THE MESSIAH AND I SUPPOSE THESE IDIOTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE HE COULD HAVE PERFORMED MIRACLES AND DONE THAT BUT HE IS HUMAN AND A LOT SMARTER THAN YOU. AND IHES DOING IT RIGHT SO ALL WILL BENEFIT NOT JUST THE RICH AND BIG BUSINESSES WHOM ARE THE REAL RAPISTS OF THE ECONOMY WHOM NO LONGER PAY LIVING WAGES AND LEAVE YOU AND I [IF YOU PAY TAXES] TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR EMPLOYEES THOUGHT EARNED INCOME CREDITS, CHILD CARE SUBSIDIES, SOME WITH MEDICAID AND FOOD STAMPS etc.ALL BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER PAY LIVING WAGES WHICH THEY MOSTLY DID BEFORE THE LATE SEVENTIES AND EARLY EIGHTIES AND NOW IT HURTING EVERYONE BUT THE RICH SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SURVIVE, NO POVERTY IS NOT COMING IT IS ALREADY HERE IMPOSED ON THE COUNTRY BY THESE TYPE OF BUSINESS MEN AND YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR ONE OF THEM WITH A BIG RECORD OF DOING JUST THAT, YES HE IS A BIG BUSINESS MAN AND VERY EXPERIENCED at it AND COUNTRY BEWARE OF REAL FINANCIAL RAPE OF THE TAXPAYERS IN MANY WAYS if you elect Romney}
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      • Frank Kahn

        Check your fact checkers, and please state who they are and where to see their BS. I have read just the opposite about the HEALTHCARE RAPE OF OBAMA. It is not a savings it is an additional cost to the taxpayer. Your screaming your answers dont make them true just because you scream them.

        You make a stupid remark several times “LIVING WAGE”, what is a living wage to you, 40K, 50K, 150K, 300K? How much do you THINK your sorry butt is worth? Where do you live? What companies (you make it sound like all) dont pay a reasonable living wage?

        Minus the assumption that everything the government does is for big business, how do you make it their fault that our government is stupid enough to pay lazy people money they dont deserve?

        My sister used to get about 2,000 more back from her taxes than she paid in. I never saw the sense in it even though she was my sister. You want to know the truth about being raped, it is generally the unnamed minority that gets screwed the worst when it comes to taxes. The single man with no dependents pays thousands of extra dollars in a variety of taxes that are used by leaching families in this country. You want equity, lets all pay our fair share. If you dont have kids you should never have to subsidize the educations of those who do. If you have kids there should be a tax penalty instead of a deduction. Every kid you have cost the taxpayer money to educate, you pay it. Doesnt sound reasonable does it. Never sounds reasonable when you go against socialism.

        I didnt like either one in the debate for one glaring reason. Heard lots of talk about the rich, heard lots of talk about the middle class. Where was the concern for the lower class? We buy things too, did they both forget that? The middle class has enough money to spend, put some money into the lower class earners so they can buy things to strengthen the economy. The middle class are rich too, they just aint millionaires. I can SURVIVE on about 14K a year, doesnt give me much for spending on entertainment or cars and things but it is a livable wage. You show me someone living in my city that says they dont make a living wage and they are getting 50K a year and I will show you a liar.

        A living wage is just what you need to survive, no frills not fancy cars, houses, vacations or parties. If more citizens would stop thinking they have to have everything then we could look at this wage dilemma in a better light

        • tony

          smilee thinks Obama will make him financially better off than the free market corporate sector because Obama says he will take those Tax Dollars from the Rich and enrich the rest of society but even if they take 100 % of the Riches Profits they can’t begin to cover the entitlements let alone raise minimum wages and increase the benefits and entitlements . Plus these same Democrats are calling for worldwide Population control and reductions so to think they are going to enrich you while calling for your extinction from the planet earth is being ignorant .

          Where we are heading with this Obama redistribution game with credit gone from the private sector economy and Obama running the Money supply by Fiat Federal Reserve is a devaluation down to Asian wage levels because thats the true level of competition , so prepare for 3500 dollars a year wages like we had back in the 1950s

        • Smilee

          Frank

          Check your fact checkers, and please state who they are and where to see their BS. [If you do not know who they are you have not been paying attention or are not interested in the truth, google it lazy its there for those whom seek the truth] I have read just the opposite about the HEALTHCARE RAPE OF OBAMA.[I have no doubt you have as propaganda that states that abounds, I have read it to but that does not make it true, seek and you shall find the truth but not on partisan sites that gives this erroneous info] It is not a savings it is an additional cost to the taxpayer [CBO does not say that, read it]. Your screaming your answers dont make them true just because you scream them.[it is not screaming it was done that way to contrast with the original, this time I will not use caps so your can’t assume things not fact] You make a stupid remark several times “LIVING WAGE”, what is a living wage to you, 40K, 50K, 150K, 300K? How much do you THINK your sorry butt is worth? [There you go again, a living wage is an amount large enough to insure that your basic need are met without government assistance like earned income credit, child care subsidies etc which you and I pay so that these companies can pay less, those of us old enough remember when we could do that without that assistance, like Clinton said its arithmetic and is as simple as that which so many on here and I think you to, are deficient in ] Where do you live? MN What companies (you make it sound like all) dont pay a reasonable living wage? {Any company whose employees are eligible for earned income credit, child care subsidies , food stamps, Medicaid etc, again it is simple arithmetic which you do not seem to be able to do] Minus the assumption that everything the government does is for big business, how do you make it their fault that our government is stupid enough to pay lazy people money they dont deserve? [People working a full time job are lazy, shame on you, you sound like Romney now looking down your nose at good people, employees unless they are union have no say in their wages and as most today underpay they really have no choice in what their wages will be, it take it or leave it but again that is arithmetic which you seem to not understand, these laws where lobbied for real hard by big business so they could underpay their employees and make more money for their themselves and stockholders this is an indirect corporate welfare and many see it that way too. These laws where all signed into law by republican presidents except Clinton when he signed the welfare reform act that added many of these or drastically increased them and these were written by a republican congress, no one wants to talk about it but republicans have created much more welfare programs than the democrats starting with President Ford and it was Reagan who made earned income credit a big expense for us in 1986] l My sister used to get about 2,000 more back from her taxes than she paid in. I never saw the sense in it even though she was my sister.[ I agree, makes me mad as hell and that is because of underpaid employees others do not qualify and their income taxes do not show child subsidies , food stamps, Medicaid etc, and I have done taxes for people who got back up to $7000.00 back] and to You want to know the truth about being raped, it is generally the unnamed minority that gets screwed the worst when it comes to taxes.[I agree, I’m single and pay a lot of tax and have every year for 49 years and this year will make it 50] The single man with no dependents pays thousands of extra dollars in a variety of taxes that are used by leaching families in this country.[You cannot get blood out of a turnip so it is not their fault and we will live with this until living wages again become the norm, again it is the arithmetic which you get an “F” in] You want equity, lets all pay our fair share.[ I agree and it should be proportionally equal so the rich pay the same percentage without so much of their income being non taxed as only people with money can get by with and this came about by lobbying to and how many poor people do you know who can effectively lobby?] If you dont have kids you should never have to subsidize the educations of those who do.[ You always hear this stupid statement for the very greedy who care nothing about anyone else but themselves, shame on you] If you have kids there should be a tax penalty instead of a deduction. Every kid you have cost the taxpayer money to educate, you pay it. [they cannot even meet their survival needs without government assistance and you expect this without living wages to pay this, again it is the arithmetic coupled with your selfish nature] Doesnt sound reasonable does it. [sounds very reasonable and most disagree with you because they care about the next generation and the future which it seems you do not] Never sounds reasonable when you go against socialism. [ socialism is when the government owns and operates something not regulates it and you confuse that] I didnt like either one in the debate for one glaring reason. Heard lots of talk about the rich, heard lots of talk about the middle class. Where was the concern for the lower class? [ you are one of those who makes less than a living wage?? Sorry about that] We buy things too, did they both forget that? The middle class [What middle class its almost gone as more and more become poor and will continue to without living wages] has enough money to spend, put some money into the lower class earners so they can buy things to strengthen the economy.{ To do that you either have to have living wages or more welfare and welfare is what we are doing now big time now, your constrict yourself so much] The middle class are rich too, they just aint millionaires. I can SURVIVE on about 14K a year, doesnt give me much for spending on entertainment or cars and things but it is a livable wage.[Again its arithmetic, 14K is poverty, no wonder your angry, I worked 40+ years is a union factory and my annual income now on retirement on pension and SS is 33.5K and then because of my higher wages I get income from investments I was able to make because of union wages, many working full time today make a lot less but then living wages are not the norm anymore] You show me someone living in my city that says they dont make a living wage and they are getting 50K a year and I will show you a liar.[f this would be a living wage for all but big families and they do not qualify for government assistance because of it so it is one you do not have to pay taxes to support] A living wage is just what you need to survive, no frills not fancy cars, houses, vacations or parties.[I guess you think creating wealth for oneself is not a good thing] If more citizens would stop thinking they have to have everything then we could look at this wage dilemma in a better light [More wages is what makes a better light it is simple arithmetic. I know your angry and feel sorry for yourself. I do not know what you do or why your wages are so low but your anger and feeling sorry for yourself does not help your situation, Good Luck Buddy.

          • Frank Kahn

            Thank you for confirming you are one of the most despicable mentally challenged morons on the site.

            Twisting everything I said, to make me look stupid, is very unwise as a logical tactic.

            My math is just fine, have a very good education in it. It is Union thugs and their thieving members that dont understand simple math and economics. It is unions as much as corporations that have pushed us to the unsustainable level of greedy self aggrandizement that we have today. Keep unions in prison where they belong and the wealth of wages will be more equally distributed to where we all get a REASONABLE living wage.

            Everyone of your responses was not only wrong but they were failing in their attempt to make sense out of the situation I described.

            GOVERNMENT is the entire problem in this nation, anyone who prevaricates about how it is big corporations or banks is misdirected. No matter what the corporations or banks want, it is the governments CHOICE to go along with the insanity.

            The CBO (Congressional Budget Office) is not a valid source for valid information regarding the Obama Health Care TAX. If you want an analysis of the cost / benefit consequences of a Congressional bill, you dont ask them (congress).

            I asked you for your sources, for FACT CHECKING, not because I am LAZY, I did it so I could study YOUR sources. You are the one who is LAZY or worse by refusing to provide me / us with your sources of information. My sources (which you dont know either) are just as valid as your sources.

            It is stressful to try and answer all your stupidity here on every point, since anyone with half a brain can see that you twisted every statement I made so you could try to make it sound like I suffer from ignorance, selfishness and lack of ability to think.

            I never once said that I am against people getting ahead, I was merely pointing out that a living wage does not include extras.

            It does not matter one iota how hard it is for a family of 6 to live when it comes to my statement that they should pay all their own cost for education of their kids. If you are not making enough money to support 2 kids, dont have 2 more.

            If you dont have the skills necessary to negotiate a better salary on your own then you are getting paid what you deserve.

            Middle class wealth is not a valid issue in this country because what ails them ails all of us. If their net worth is reduced by the inflation, caused by the illegal printing of massive amounts of fake money, then so is the net worth of every citizen. That is SIMPLE MATH.

            My statement that I can SURVIVE on 14K is not (to a normal thinking human) a statement of my level of income. You might infer and hypothesize on that but that does not make it a rational conclusion.

            Am I angry, of course I am angry. But for you to pretend that you can know (without asking) what makes me angry, is pure stupidity and arrogance.

            Stupid is the most worthless trait there is, and you are a member of the group. You spout dogma supported by the paid shills of the Obama administration as much or more than the stupid people that scream the opposite.

            I hesitate to say that Obama lies all the time (although he is wrong about almost everything). It is equally possible that he just isnt aware of the truth. He THINKS our economy is improving because of his mismanagement of it. He THINKS that there is no terrorism, just human caused disasters. He thinks that unemployment is getting better just because everyone has lost hope of finding a job. He blames everything bad on someone else but wants to take credit for everything good as if HE saved us from the evil in the world. The only thing worse than his lies (or ignorance) about what is really happening in the world is the pathetic psychophantic following of his delussions.

            I just wonder what makes you a follower of his ignorant policies. Is it because you are one of the Union elites? Is it because you are retired with an over inflated compensation which means unemployment does not affect you? Is it because you make more per month on retirement than over 50% of the working class does that you dont care that the government is pushing policies that are inflationary?

            And, you imply that I dont care about the poor. Well lets ponder some math that shows it is you that doesnt care about the poor. Please try to COMPREHEND that I am going to use imaginary numbers here since I dont have the actual figures for any given Union shops. It is hypothetical so dont say my numbers are wrong just because I cant point out a specific company or city.

            We have a city that has a UNION shop employer who has 10,000 union employees. These employees earn an average of $50 an hour which is twice what the true maket would support. These 10 thousand employees make an average of over 100K a year (way above a living wage). This company, has a thriving business and would like to expand. PROBLEM, it cant afford to expand because of the cost of labor. It would like to create 10,000 more jobs but that is just not economically pheasable at the current UNION wage demand. So, we have 10,000 minimum wage earners in that city that wont get the chance to make between 3 and 4 times as much money because those 10,000 union workers are getting more than they are worth.

            So, Mr. I know math better than you, who is responsible for the lack of jobs? Is it the company or is it the Union? Union workers are paid by taking money from the poor, or more precisely by keeping it from them. Unions dont operate on the concept of fair pay they operate on the theory of GIVE ME MORE I DESERVE IT BECAUSE I CAN FORCE YOU. Another government policy, that Obama pushes, that is a form of redistribution of wealth in America.

            So, since you were a Union worker, you helped keep others from getting a better paying job, which would help lift them out of poverty. How does that make you a champion of the poor?

            So, what makes me angry you might ask. It is people like you who think they deserve something more than they are qualified for just because they are a member of something. And, they use rediculous statements and twist words or facts to make them look better than they are. People who decide to pick what source of information is absolutely correct as apposed to all other sources of information. Both sides of the fence are guilty of these things. Anyone who totally hates Obama policies are just as wrong as those who praise them.

            So, you pick and choose what you want to discuss, you want to make this a rational discussion about the economy or about which one of us is more educated?

          • Smilee

            Frank, you make yourself look stupid, there is nothing I can say or do that will change that and your so deep in denial it is not likely you will either. Say what you like about unions I do not care but you would think than when I can retire and make more than twice what you do working full time, I think that says a lot about you as your either incapable of making more or to lazy to find a way, eat your heart out sucker as every word I said in response to you was true and y our denial mode will not change those facts.

          • Frank Kahn

            There goes the gas bag again, stupid is as stupid says Smirky. I have more money than you have seen in your entire life.

            You call me stupid because you are incapable of refuting my statements. That makes you very stupid

            All your posts are so far from reality they dont exist.

          • Smilee

            there you go again saying something stupid like you have an idea what my net worth is and I do not really know yours either but you initially wanted me to believe you lived in poverty. People whom assume and lack facts but speak as if they do are the real stupid ones. Have a good day, Mr. Stupid!!!

          • Frank Kahn

            No, I never said anything about living in poverty, that was your ignorant assumption. Actually I pay more in taxes every year than you make in your retirement pensions.

      • Smilee

        Tony

        That is not what I said, your post is all garbage and not true which is so common among posts from Obama haters, no facts all spin.

        • tony

          Smilee you are supporting Depopulation people , experts that advise Obama , don’t be foolish and empower these people with Tax Policies that will take away the private sectors economic ability to supply us with our needs because these Politicians are Ideologically strung out with their Views of World Population and this is a dangerous time …. Listen to what is being said here by this so called expert that advises Obama , http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/26/world-population-resources-paul-ehrlich

          • Smilee

            Tony, k there you go again, I never said that I supported them, so quit your making up your own facts, makes you look stupid but then again maybe you are.

          • tony

            Smilee you support Obamacare which is a depopulation policy designed to accomplish this by cutting treatment at the start and end of Life plus taxation increases on the rich that even if they take 100 % of the profits won’t accomplish the task of balancing the budget , which will redistribute the wealth creation trickle down in the private sector economy over to the government Trickle down system giving them more control over overall distribution of resource production at a time when these same people are calling for population controls and reduction to save earth from to many people so don’t you see that as dangerous ?

          • Smilee

            Tony, You do not have a clue as to what Obamacare is all about, you just repeat the far right rhetoric and by doing so your lying your a$$ off. Knowledge can cure that but I doubt your interested in the truth as it would conflict with your biases and stupidity.

          • tony

            Smilee if Obamacare is so dang good then why does Obama keep giving all these waver ??? http://nlpc.org/stories/2011/05/26/unions-are-major-major-recipients-obama-health-care-waivers

          • Smilee

            Tony, You will believe anything those propaganda sites tell you, this one is mostly all false and it is clearly you do not understand what a wavier is, it is something that has been used for years in medicare with good results. Most union members get their healthcare from their employers not the union but you are ignorant on that too. Union merely negotiate what the coverage and costs are beyond that they do not contract with insurers for health care. the union I belonged to had over 30 contacts and not in one did the union provide health care insurance to it’s members. Why not go to the horses mouth and read the law then you to will know the truth and quit reading these propaganda site that are so plentiful on the web and seek out the truth closest to the source and not those whom have an agenda to destroy obamacare through lies. Don’t be such a sucker.

          • tony

            Smillee I don’t see how you can call the words coming out of Obama Supporter Paul Krugmans Mouth Propaganda when he says point blank that the only way Obama’s Health care plan works financially is with Death Panels ?? You really need to put forth some evidence to support your remarks because your words mean nothing . It would be support Romney Ryan so they can get in there and fix the Mess that Obama and his cronies have created .

          • Smilee

            Tony, I did not call it propaganda you did, how ignorant are you, You also misunderstood Paul. The mischaracterised death panels are not in the law, they took it out before they passed. I told you to read the bill the only document that is the law and no better evidence exists and if you had any intelligence you would know that, I cannot believe you said I did not give you any evidence when I gave the best evidence there is and it cannot be disputed unless by lies or spin. The only expertise you have is at lying and spinning., Learn to think for yourself so you can come out into the light that only the truth provides.

          • tony

            Smilee what was the whole point of created obamacare then if having to give these Big Employers a Waver on the premium so the cost increase would not interrupt their stock value or see the corporations just cancel their employee benefit policy and then all these people end up on the Governments health care before its even enacted which Obama cannot have ?? You are the one that is giving a pass to this cronyism and its setting up the economy to take a major hit once these things and the tax increases that are coming at the end of this year .

            You Need to support Romney Ryan so they can get in there and stop this Madness that on a mission to Kill Off Free markets and transform the USA and the world into a NWO of One Class society that gives NO ONE any Hope for Opportunity as this is their master plan to save Earth from from their view of Humanity destruction under the capital system that promotes Individual Prosperity this being what Drives the Environmentalist Marxist who wants to save Earth from Capitalism’s Destruction .

          • Smilee

            Tony, Your all garbage, lies and spin. I do not wallow in garbage. Romney/Ryan would actually make things worse, Read the Ryan budget it is joke and will it be another attack on the our economy and fix nothing only make it worse. Romney now says he no longer supports it when he said when he put Ryan on the ticket he did and now saying otherwise but wiil not tell us what that is. You ok with that?????? Of course you have to seek out the truth before you can know the big liar Romney really is. NEVER TRUST LIARS YOU WILL LIVE TO REGRET IT!!!!! Obama inherited a problem that required ten years to turn around and listening to you one would have us conclude that you expect him to do ten years work in 3.5 years, we know what he has done and it is the right track but it is a job not yet half done. It is like filing a big hole and he has filled it about a third of the way the CBO says we are on track now to gain 12 millioin more jobs over the next four years and that is what Romney now claims to do and the dirty little secret is that it will happen without him. There is no quick fixes to this economy. Romney is an expert at crony capitalism and knows how to make lots of money that way. Last year he made over 26 million but none from wages so he was not required to pay any SS or Medicare taxes. He was a lousy Governor, his obamacare law he says is great for MA but noone else but then he made clear he has no time for 47% of the population so not to hard to figure out he only cares about some of us. You get health care in MA weather your can afford it or no but not in Mississippi so if you have cancer he looks out for those where he lives close to but could care less if a person in Mississippi dies because he cannot receive health care. He is full of gimmicks that will make things a lot worse maybe even ruin our country. BEWARE your ignorance!!

          • tony

            Smilee Paul krugman is about as Pro Obama as you can get and he is saying you need to have a death panel when you get old , so what are you going to do when they tell you you are not going to get that treatment you need ???

        • tony
      • Smilee

        tony says:
        October 5, 2012 at 10:37 am

        tony, read the obamacare bill so you know what is in it, there is no better source than that the real thing but the of course you would have to think for yourself and I know that is problem for you, I know it is easier to go these propaganda sites whom all have an agenda and vested interest but they keep you from knowing the truth and you are stuck in that trap and in know nothing land as long as you choose to remain there.

      • Smilee

        tony says:
        October 6, 2012 at 12:37 am

        Again you are ignorant and death panels as, they have become known. which are not what those against obamacare tell you it is, I have said b The sp called death panel clause as the republicans call it merely allows a patient upon their request to discuss end of life healthcare decisions with their doctor and have it paid for by insurance. It is not now paid for and law had it been included would have paid for that conference. No one one other than the patient makes any decisions and certainly no insurance company or the government will know what is discussed between the doctor and patient and the doctor can not require such a conference it must be requested by the patient, the republicans again want to deny that freedom to the patient. What do you see wrong with this as all will die and most want this information so they can make more informed decisions, It is something they can get now but they will have to pay for it out of pocket because of this farce perpetrated on the nation by far right idiots and you not being interested in the truth accepts without question the propaganda they continually publish. It was a good and desirable clause stopped by the far right haters.

      • Smilee

        tony says:
        October 5, 2012 at 10:37 am

        Another propaganda site which are the only ones you ever use as support for your lies and as that is the jest of those sites it only informs the informed that you are sucker for BS and not least bit interested in knowing the truth

  • Peter 10-nov-1775

    This is the plan. He has told us so. read on.

    Yes, he told us in advance what he planned to do. Few were listening.
    The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised “Meet The Press’.
    From Sunday’s 07 Sept. 2008 11 : 48 : 04 EST, Televised “Meet the Press” THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.
    General Bill Gann’ USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain WHY he doesn’t follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
    The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171…
    During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, “Stand and Face It”.
    NOW GET THIS !!
    ‘Senator Obama replied :
    “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides”. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression..” “The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing.”
    (ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???)
    Obama continued : “The National Anthem should be ‘swapped’ for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To Sing’. If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as ‘redesign’ our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love.It’s my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails – - – perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments ……”
    When I become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon the nations ofIslam, an unfair injustice which is WHY my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past”.
    “Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country’s First black Family. Indeed,CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America ”
    Yes, you read it right.
    I, for one, am speechless!!!

    Dale Lindsborg , Washington Post

    • http://hathcockchrisandstan.wordpress.com stanandchris

      Peter 10:
      OMG if this is true, and he actually said these things, why isn’t that being broadcast all over by the republican party. I can’t believe he actually said that. Please give me a reference that I can link to and I will see to it it spreads through out the intenet. I have a few friends that have millions of followers on FaceBook and it will spread like wildfire. Please provide a link with this interview.

      • Karolyn

        I believe this was debunked, just like so many other rumors spread primarily by email. It’s been around for a while.

      • nickkin

        These things that were printed by Peter 10 are not new to the right media…..all this has been exploited by conservative talk radio and fox news…..your watching & listening to the minions of the left CBS (comforting bull S**t) NBC (nothing but crap) ABC (all but crap).

      • Peter 10-nov-1775

        This is from:
        The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised “Meet The Press’.
        From Sunday’s 07 Sept. 2008 11 : 48 : 04 EST, Televised “Meet the Press” THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.

  • James Corbin

    I just wish people would set politics a side and really look at the path Obama is taking us down the wrong road. If the government can give to you, they can take from you. This is what Obama is going to do if relected. Obamacare—-older people won’t have a chance.—if they go to the hospital there will be a board to decide what they can have. He is for socialism. I am a democrat but I can see what is happening.

    • GALT

      No James………you can’t see anything at all………

      How many days before this “idiocy” is over with?

    • Smilee

      James, none of what you said is true, does that bother you? your either an out and out liar or very ignorant but please no more lies.

    • Dee

      If people would just got see the 2016 movie or read the book by Dinesh you would understand what Obama is all about his ideas and hopes for the US you would be shocked its not my idea of a free world. and if there was a movie about Romney I would see that too, I dont think he is the best candidate but you have to vote for the lesser of the evils and I feel he is less evil than Obama.

  • C. W. Powell

    I can’t understand how ignorant the American people are that they will not understand and acknowledge that Obama is a Muslim, mad at Colonialism, mentally impaired by his father’s hatred for those he blames for what happened years ago in Africa (whether his father was Barack Sr. who he didn’t really know or Frank Marshall Davis, a Marxist who mentored him). Now we hear that his education was paid for by Saudi Arabia ( no wonder he bowed down to the king). His goal is to destroy the American economy and thus this country. Why do we allow some damn evil idiot to have any power over us. He will stand before the One, The Only True God someday—and it won’t be his allah who is not a god at all–and answer for his actions. Don’t think it will be too pretty. As long as he is alive, God is giving him a chance to repent and change his ways. He better not wait too long!

    • GALT

      Why can’t you understand how ignorant the American people are?

      You are one of them…….

      • Smilee

        He is not only ignorant but a liar, but maybe he is so ignorant he cannot know tha teither

        • tony

          Wealth Redistribution Envy is not economic policy Supply-Side expansion is , Wealth Redistribution is all about achieving this goal here , http://explosivereports.com/ , we need to not allow this Power to consolidate into these radicals controlling the money supply and Resource supply to the point that they control Life because the evidence of what this redistribution of wealth economic policy is about is Environmentalists freaking out about to many people on planet earth already and so its better to zero growth in all sectors and redistribute Equality lowing what the standard equality in the Developed nations is not going to work either ?
          We need to expand the Supply and raise the Quality of Life in the 3rd world up to what the standard level is in the Developed world then peace across the world would be achieved just like what happened after WW2 when we expanded supply for all by building dams in the rivers creating clean affordable electric power than would power the pumps that the water in the dams could then irrigate the farmlands to increase the production of food , it all works beautifully together and a increased quality of life was realized after decades of famine and lack of human supply brought war and conflicts across the regions of the undeveloped nations . Expanding the supply for all is the only answer to peace and we need this again today like was created back then .

  • bitterclinger

    I can’t help but wonder why Americans still have not learned their lesson when it comes to politics…. POLITICIANS WILL SAY ANYTHING TO GET YOUR VOTE.

    I have heard for the last 4 years how I can never trust anything that Obama utters, but suddenly I am now told that I can believe everything Romney says…. because he calls himself a “conservative”…. which he isn’t.

    Until We The People can tear ourselves away from the fake Left vs Right paradigm and see this farse for what it is…. then we will continue to get what we deserve

  • http://none Claire

    America has had a “suicide economy” for 30-50 years, maybe more. The American public can thank both parties for this factor.

  • brazzos

    Wayne Allyn Root thinks Romney’s economics (still have not a clue what they are) will be beneficial to all the citizens of these United States. They will benefit the 1%. The rest of us will have to make due. Then when the US is a total oligarchy and Romney’s no longer in office, he will be one of the 1% benefitting from his and Ryan”s policies.

  • http://none Claire

    The middle class has been carrying the wealthy, the poor, and everybody else for decades. Face it, the middle class has borne the brunt of the burden. The middle class is what has kept the country going by paying for everything. Everyone should pay taxes in accordance to what they earn. The wealthy owners of the big corporations, companies, etc. aren’t hiring. They want to keep their profits and make more. In addition, technology has replaced the human work force in many instances. A number of years ago, when the company I work for became computerized, they laid off scores of people. Industrial companies have robots. Situations such as these contributed towards job loss.

  • jopa

    The unemployment rate has finally gone under 8% down to 7.8 and you would think a nuclear bomb had gone off in the US the way the Conservatives are acting.This is great news for America and we should all be dancing in the streets with such an improvement in the jobs numbers,the Dow at 16500 up from 6500 when President Obama took office. The auto industry is flourishing that provides millions of jobs when you factor in all the suppliers and spin off businesses such as restaurants that benefit from their succcess.Things are really beginning to look up in America and we should all be waving out flags proudly for what has been accomplished in the last four years.Let me see. who was the great American statesman that said “Usama is dead, and GM is alive”?Oh now I remember .I think it was Joe Biden.

    • http://none Claire

      jopa–Personally I WANT GM to succeed. For over 50 years, my husband and I have always bought GM cars, suvs, trucks. I love my Chrysler touring van. It is a “stow and go.” I can get 4 dog crates in it when I go to a dog show. And I have plenty of room for dog food, water, clothes, etc. When I traveled to Wisconsin earlier this year, I got 24 MPG going up there. On the way back I got 27 MPG. If I keep it at 65 miles an hour, it is good on gas. If I drive any vehicle like a hotrod, then mileage isn’t as good If I ever have to purchase another vehicle you can darn well bet it will be from GM.

      • Frank Kahn

        Everyone has their favorite manufacturer of cars, mine is Ford. I have always bought Fords and find your gas mileage a little disconcerting. My last car was a 2006 Mustang GT with special performance additions. It was pushing over 420 HP and I got 29 MPG on the freeway at 80 MPH on cruise control.

      • http://none Claire

        Your Mustang brings back fond memories–In 1969 my husband and I bought a new Camaro Rally Sport with the hideaway headlights. That Camaro cost $3600.00 and it obviously was built to last. We gave it to our son a couple of years ago. I can also remember when gas was 25 cents a gallon.

        • Frank Kahn

          Dont forget the gas wars, I remember paying just 5 cents a gallon for regular during those. I was driving a 1965 Mustang 2+2 fastback then.

      • http://none Claire

        Good for you! Did you do any drag racing back then? We sure did.

        • Frank Kahn

          Yes, we raced at the Firebird drag strip near Boise back then, it was a new strip and we were getting an ET of around 19.4. Thought that was pretty good back then with a 289. But when I raced there using my 2006 Mustang GT with a 281, I was getting ET’s in the high 13 seconds. My best was 13.687 at 104 MPH. I love drag racing and, my 25 year old niece had a 2003 Mustang with a V6 that was wiping the Camero’s up every run. Her Mustang was getting high 15′s in the quarter mile, those Z28 and IROC Cameros couldnt keep up.

          The new high tech engines have much better torque to horsepower ratios than the older engines.

          Since you had a 69 Camero (great year for them) maybe you can help me understand something a classmate in college told me.

          He had what he said was a STOCK I think he said LT1 engine (might be just L1) an old 350 CID two barrel engine in a 74 Camero. He claimed several things that, as a Ford lover, I find impossible to believe.

          1. He claimed it would beat my 2006 Mustang GT in the quarter mile.
          2. It would turn low 11;s in the quarter mile.
          3. Ford never produced a STOCK Mustang that could out perform it in the quarter mile.

          I am 100% certain that there are either 3 lies there or there is 1 lie previously. A STOCK Chevy 350 with a two barrel carburetor back then was probably putting out 210 horses at best, maybe it could turn a 17 second quarter mile but not low 11′s.

          I could not get him to take it to the track to prove his claim but did manage to line up with him one night at a stop light. I had him by about 2 car lengths untill just after shifting into 2nd gear I heard a very distinct sound coming from his engine. The decibel level went up about 8 times when he obviously hit his Nitrous. And, yes he flew past me quite easily. At least I assume it was nitrous, it was not the sound of header cutouts because uncapped, headers sound different. And, uncapping your headers doesnt add 3 or 4 hundred horses.

          So, have you ever seen a STOCK 350 two barrel Camero that can accelerate that fast? To be quite honest, I had a 1972 Mustang with a 351 cobrajet engine that would smear any stock 350 Camero I ever encountered.

      • http://none Claire

        Frank–Our Camaro is all stock , a 350 2-Barrel Rochester—-it has 230 HP, and it will haul off the line. My husband kept the Camaro just the way it was-no added frills, etc. It held its own against the muscle cars of that era. I remember my husband took on an FBI agent–he had a Jaquar XKE–and my husband blew him away off the line. That FBI agent was madder than heck. The Camaros of the 70s we didn’t care for. I believe the IROCs came out in the 80s. We didn’t like those either.
        The guy you spoke of that had a ’74 Camaro used Nitrous. Even though I love my Camaro, there is no way he could have overtaken you without Nitrous and/or a blower.
        The last time I drove the Camaro, I was headed back to work at lunchtime-stopped at a stoplight, and lo and behold, a guy in an early ’80s Datsun 280Z pulled up alongside–he gave me the “look” and I knew he thought he could beat me from the line. The Datsun was nice-looking and well-kept and I could tell this guy thought he had it “made.” I had no idea what he had under the hood but the moment the light turned green, we both took off–needless to say I left him in a cloud of dust. At the next stoplight he turned off. I was shaking like a leaf. My heart was about to pound out of my chest. I will never do that again. I am too old for that type of exhilaration! I will simply keep my memories.

        • Frank Kahn

          Quite often it is either the gear ratio in the rear end or the driver that wins or loses a race. I once raced a 67 Shelby GT 500 with my 65 mustang. I won the race because he didnt have either the rubber or the good sense to beat me. He smoked his tires really bad on the starting line while I had good traction.

          I watched a Dodge Viper running 18 second passes at the track and I know they can do 12′s easy.

          I raced a WRX STI with my mustang and won by a car length even though those turbo charged suckers can do 12 second passes.

          I took first place in the Gold Cup nationals category 2 (13 second and slower) at Firebird in 2009. I won the race because of RT. My RT was .004 and I won the race by .002 seconds

          I dont usually do street racing for several reasons, it is illegal, it is dangerous and it is hard to get exact start timing. That first .3 to .5 seconds is a make or break time in a drag race.

      • http://none Claire

        Frank–I will add this–my husband always had a new Chevy. He had a ’59 Chevy Impala when we began dating, and no one could beat him. He was known for his drag racing–he took on everyone in the surrounding counties. There was a straight 3 mile-long strip of blacktop near where I lived. It was the “dragstrip” back in those times. After we married he got a black ’60 Chevy Impala, and has had numerous Chevys during his entire ife.

      • http://none Claire

        Yes, street racing is illegal–I don’t know what possessed me at the time. Delusions of grandeur? Never again! I like the looks of the new Camaro. The body style is similar to the ’69. My son likes them and he likes the Dodge Challenger. They look pretty nice. He is thinking of getting one–hasn’t made up his mind yet but I bet he goes with the Camaro.
        And yes, that first .3 to .5 seconds will make or break you in a drag race.

  • jopa

    The last few posts brought me back to around 1969 when I was living in the Detroit area we would go down to Woodward Avenue and race just a plain Jane stock 67 goat not even sure of the CID anymore but it was fun.We would go up against many guys that had put a lot of time and money in their cars and we would actually occasionally win.We would only do the rolling starts where both cars would leave the green light and roll up to about 30 mph and signal when to punch it.Saved a lot of money on drive-trains.The good old days.

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