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Obama’s Stance On Gay Marriage Is ‘Constantly Evolving’

December 28, 2010 by  

Obama's stance on gay marriage is 'constantly evolving'President Barack Obama may not be finished in his crusade to grant equal rights to gay Americans.

On Dec. 22, the same day that Obama signed legislation to repeal "don't ask, don't tell," the President said that he is going to "wrestle" with the topic of allowing gay marriages in the United States. He said that the issue will be a hot topic in the near future, and he is prepared to have a "conversation" about allowing same-sex marriages.

"My feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this," Obama said during a press conference at the White House. "At this point, what I've said is that my baseline is a strong civil union that provides them the protections and the legal rights that married couples have, and I think that's the right thing to do. But, I recognize that from their perspective that's not enough."

Even former Presidents are weighing in on the nation's acceptance of gays. In fact, Jimmy Carter went as far as to say that the U.S. is ready for a gay president "in the near future." In an interview with Big Think, Carter compared the issue of homosexuality to the nation's racial tensions between blacks and whites 50 years ago, saying that both have "averse and progressive elements."

Fred Sainz of the Humans Right Campaign told The Charlotte Observer believes that a lesbian has a better shot at the presidency than a gay man because people have "stereotypes with gay men about hypersexuality." 

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  • http://none Mike

    Constantly evolving Just like him lol.I dont know I think Devolving might be more like it. Devolving our country into something that in 5 years we wont recognize.Mike L.

    • AFV

      You’re right his stance is devolving. He ran on support of gay marriage and end to DOMA. Nothing to be excited about with the end of DADT that was about to be repealed by the courts. Wish this man would lead for a change.

      • Kinetic1

        AFV,
        Why do we keep coming back to this? Despite what pundits kept saying, President Obama could not repeal DADT since it was not an executive order to begin with. The courts could have stopped it, but then the congress could have doubled down and made this drag on for decades. The only “permanent” way to repeal DADT was to push the repeal through congress, and the Republicans were not going to make it easy (as if they have made anything easy for Obama, even if they supported it.) It took way too long, and I agree that President Obama was not forceful enough, but now it’s done and done right.

      • Elizabeth

        whoever beleaves in Jesus and the Holy word will find out where God stands on men with men and women with women he is not going to let them into Heaven unless they change read the book of Jude it tells the same as the old testamant hs word is true

    • EddieW

      As a homosexual himself…whats to evolve??? That’s why he so favors them, plus it’s part of the plan against the people!! If you be allowed to read this, just check out the index!!! It’s a looong read!!!
      TheNew World Order of Barbarians
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/10474334/The-New-Order-of-the-Barbarians-by-Dr-

  • Nate

    Anyone, whomever they may be, who is Constantly Evolving is a good thing. It shows growth and maturity. Stagnation closes the heart and mind.

    • Allan Halbert

      Actually, it’s not that lofty at all. Having values is NOT stagnation. Liberals do not understand that.

      “Constantly evolving” is Obamacode for figuring out which is the best move politically. He will wait a while to show “careful deliberation”. I expect him to say he supports gay marriage in 2011.

      • Karolyn

        I don’t think anybody said that having values is stagnation. Evolution and having good values are not mutually exclusive.

    • Dan Burke

      Stagnation is bad. Whether stagnation is really a state is debatable. For men that stagnate ends up at the mercies of the world around them for they do not choose for themselves. The question then begs answering is that if you are not stagnating, then where are you going? Are you moving towards God? Or are you moving away from God? There are many that would perceive that since I remain committed to God that I am not flexible because I do not bend on belief in a higher power. What they assume is that to be advancing in life that one must move out into the sea of ever changing standards that is otherwise the sea of worldly thought. What they don’t see is that on a spectrum of belief and commitment to God that there is a vast, vast road to travel and I am somewhere on that road knowing that it infinite in expanse and that I am walking it towards the Lord knowing that when He comes looking for His followers that is better that I am walking towards Him then some other way.

    • FlaJim

      That’s one of the silliest things I’ve ever read from an adult (I assume you are one). ‘Constantly evolving’ means that either the boy has no fixed beliefs or he does and is trying to con us.

      “Constantly developing’ is a more suitable term. For example, I have always been a conservative and learned over the years how to articulate my views. They didn’t change in any manner.

      Sadly, the Washington Post has used a similar term, ‘growing,’ for years to describe Justices and those in Congress who become more liberal as they enjoy the perks of DC. They’re sellouts.

      Back to topic, the boy has no other purpose than to destroy American culture because he hates us. If that requires special privileges for homosexuals, so be it. Everything he espouses is designed to destroy the America we grew up in. He’s an evil man and must be stopped.

      • GaCommunist

        I am with what FlaJim says. You should never change your views, only “develop” how to articulate them. Thats why we should have never abolished slavery or allowed the civil rights movement, because our views before were correct we just didn’t “articulate” them correctly (sarcasm).

      • Kinetic1

        FlaJim,
        “The boy”? Are you speaking metaphorically, or are you living proof that the South will never give up on racism? Oh, wait. You already answered that, didn’t you? “…learned over the years how to articulate my views. They didn’t change in any manner.” No, I don’t suppose they ever did.

      • Karolyn

        I beg to differ. I have been evolving my whole life; and once I stop questioning and thinking and changing, I might as well give it up! If I ever get that “old”, just shoot me!

        • Nate

          I was simply speaking generally about constantly evolving. Which is what we should be doing as people and not stagnating. It was plain and simple. You easily understood it. Right? Why is it that others seem to read way too much into a comment. I think they need to get out more often or try a different avenue of living. I just can’t understand mentality such as that. Can you? I guess some people choose to live in a shallow and sad existence.

  • John Carey

    Obama’s focus and commitment is not on creating jobs, the economy, the national debt, or what the majority of Americans want. He is a minority and supports minority issues. Joe Biden had it right, “Obama has no experience to be President.” Hopefully, a Republican majority in the House will reverse the negative programs that Obama was pushed down the American people–and in 2012, send him back to Chicago.

    P.S.
    James Buchanan was our first gay President. There is/has been one bi-sexual President–still alive. Guess who?

    • Doc Sarvis

      My guess is G. W. Bush.

    • Disgusted

      Who?

    • Jukebox

      Apparently, you are referring to the one whose wife fought so hard to suppress the book about, which detailed their gay, cocaine laced trysts. Wasn’t the woman Michelle Obama? Watch the limp wristed way he goes up and down stairs, and his orientation should be obvious. I have never seen a President like this. He has been surrounded by many men who have questionable orientation, like Frank Davis, the ballet dancer Rahm Emmanuel, and his personal valet Reggie.

      • Doc Sarvis

        You need to work on your credibility standards.

        • Jukebox

          All you have to do is to read Obama’s own “WRITINGS” about his mentors in his own books, which most of his most ardent supporters are incapable of.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I have read one of his books…cocaine yes, bisexual – not a word.

          • Karolyn

            And what’s wrong with bisexuality anyway?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Karolyn,
            What’s wrong is it will be the fastest way to spread aids across three groups. Straight, bi, and gay sexuals. And guess who foots the bill because of it?? The taxpayers! Most, if not all, with full blown aids do not work and are on some sort of public assistance!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            thark,
            And if you truly believe what you just typed, you sir/madame are a total fool!!!

          • Karolyn

            Just because someone might be bisexual does not mean that they are necessarily promiscuous. The same can be said for gays. All people need to do is practice safe sex.

          • Claire

            Karolyn—the problem is that a lot of them will NOT practice safe sex.

  • http://bjwholmes@verizon.net bjholmes

    Nothing should be a surprise that originates with the Devil.

    • Nate

      Is that the reason you’re not a surprise?

  • J.M.R.

    its time all you smart people wake up the dick-tater is nothing more than an out right lair

  • Teresa

    Of course Obama accepts it, he just wants his voters to accept it! Look, the time is here, it has been written….wrong will become right and right will become wrong…we are a nation of political correctness and we have lost our morals. Our society and government will force blasphemy, corruption, and lust in every turn of our lives but if one person tries to stand for whats right they are considered and extremist or a nut. This country has lost all sense of morals and then they wonder what has happen to our children and our way of life. The right is punished and slandered while the greedy and the lust of this world spread their preversion. We have become “a nation of tolerence”. When a man can marry a man, whos to say it stops there? When will the time come when a judge says you can marry your sister or 3-4 wives? Our rights keeps being taken away one by one, but hey…it’s politically correct right! People are so absorbed with themselves they have forgotten their souls, their morals, their children, their nation and their freedoms all in the name of political correctness. Your time here is only temporary I hope you remember this.

    • Jukebox

      You also must remember that it is written that we will be plagued with deceivers, and men that are lovers of theirselves. There is an old saying, “IF THE SHOE FITS, WEAR IT”. There has never been a recent time when this saying is truer.

    • barbm

      i’m a conservative, but i believe in the right to choose. you know, that part in the constitution that guarantees life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. it’s not my place to judge people who hold different morals. i don’t happen to agree with what they’re doing, so i just stay away from them. but i’ll leave the judging to God. what they’re doing doesn’t really impact me until i have to sit beside them in a restaurant and am forced to listen to the tales of all their sexual exploits. but, to be honest, i’d be just as pissed off if i had to listen to heterosexuals talking about theirs too. maybe the large numbers of homosexuals are God’s way of cutting down on births or keeping idiots from procreating and passing their faulty genes on. :) i think one of the things a person who puts their child up for adoption should be asked is whether they want a homosexual couple rearing it.

    • Brad

      Amen, Everybody who believes in God needs to stand up for what they believe… Besides we are the majority, lets start acting like it and take back our country.

  • Jim McMahon

    Impeach this imposter

  • Teresa

    I am going to post the best article I have read on this so far….lil long but worth it.
    ********************************************************************
    I stood up before the crowd of people in the smoke-filled room. They were all sitting in chairs forming a circle around me. My fellow 12-steppers looked on in anticipation as I opened my mouth and confessed for the very first time. “Hello, my name is Skip Coryell, and I’m a homophobe.”

    It felt good to get it off my chest and finally give my silent sickness a voice. I breathed a sigh of relief and thought to myself, “Finally, I’ve said it! I’m out of the closet!”

    I’ve been watching this whole gay thing play out for years now, knowing that eventually the government would accept open homosexuality in the military. In the end, it really had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with morality.

    A few years ago an openly “gay” man called me at my home to comment on something I’d written in one of my books. He scolded me because I had cast homosexuality in a negative light. He called me self-righteous, holier than thou, and judgmental. And then he insulted me! He called me a homophobe! My first response was to be offended. I got defensive and I argued with him. But looking back, he was right. I was, and still am, a full-blown, flaming, heterosexual male homophobe. I’m afraid of homosexuals. Not as individuals, mind you, because I’ve had some gay friends, and they were reasonable, polite, rational, and kind.
    No, I’m not afraid of individual gays. I’m terrified of the group as a whole.

    Their political agenda, their goals to reshape America, their political aggression and tenacity; they all scare me to death. And this isn’t an easy thing for me to admit. After all, look at who I am: I’m a Marine Corps veteran, a personal defense instructor, and I consider myself very masculine and capable. But still… the gay movement in America scares me.

    On the one hand, I’m a devout Christian who believes the Bible teaches that homosexuality is wrong. On the other hand, I’ve always been pretty tolerant of other people’s lifestyles. I prefer to “live and let live”. So long as you don’t hurt me or mine, then I’ll leave you alone.

    But here’s the rub with homosexual activists. They aren’t content to “live and let live”. They
    want to teach my kids that homosexuality is a good thing, that it’s a life choice as noble and pure as Christianity itself. They want to teach my kids that John and Jim should get married and adopt a little boy and raise him according to their sick, twisted view of family. John and Jim are not a family; they are just two men having sex. I say again: Don’t hurt me or mine.

    So why do they scare me so? Because they are the most successful group of sinners the world has ever known. They are a very small minority, but yet they have managed to change the views of a nation. They have convinced a vast number of Americans their actions are “normal, natural and good”. They have become so successful at terrifying, badgering and vilifying heterosexual Americans, that we are afraid to speak out against them. We are afraid to look them in the eye and say: “I don’t agree with what you’re doing.” You would immediately be labeled as a homophobe. And we all know that homophobes are judgmental, self righteous and intolerant. God forbid we should be like that.

    But wait! Did I just say “God forbid”?

    Hmmm, God said that men shouldn’t have sex with other men. That seems pretty cut and dried. But is it possible that God made a mistake? After all, Congress says it’s okay. The President says it’s a civil right. Is Congress right and God wrong? Is God a homophobe? Think about it. What good reason could God possibly have for telling men not to have sex with each other? I wonder who has a higher approval rating right now: God or Congress?

    Is it possible that God knows what he’s doing? Is it possible that God knew that sex among men would result in a higher rate of promiscuity and sexually transmitted diseases? Is it possible that God knew that sex among men would result in a breakdown in the family unit? Is it possible that God foresaw that if men had sex with men they couldn’t possibly have children and perpetuate the human race?

    Yes, I’m a homophobe. I see where the gay community is taking our country and it scares the hell out of me. America is now at zero population growth, and it’s an historic fact that no culture ever survived without people. Between homosexuality and abortion, we are killing our country.
    Just think about it for a minute. What happens to America if God is right and Obama is wrong?
    Obama – Men having sex with each other is a basic human right.

    God – Kids, don’t be doing that stuff! Don’t touch that fire! It’ll burn you!

    Just thinking about Obama’s statement reminds me of Chevy Chase in the movie “Fletch Lives”. Fletch has just been thrown in jail with a Neanderthal named Ben Dover who is about to rape him. Fletch asks his cell mate.

    Fletch – “What are you in here for, Ben?”

    Ben Dover – “Molesting a dead horse.”

    Fletch – “ Well, there’s no crime in that. It’s your right as an American. I’m trying to cut down myself.”

    I know a lot of people are going to hate me for writing this. They’ll call me self righteous, intolerant, hateful, and some will even call me, you guessed it – a homophobe. But right now I’m beyond the point of caring. Before you insult me, first ask yourself some soul-searching questions:

    Are you intimidated by the gay community and their plans for America?

    Would you rather live in a country where you didn’t have to explain homosexuality to your kids?

    Do you think homosexuality is bad for America?

    Worse yet, do you think it’s a sin?

    If you answered yes to any of these questions, then according to the left, you’re nothing more than a self-righteous, intolerant, gay-bashing homophobe. You are a bad person.

    I stand before you now, out of the closet, in the full light of day, openly admitting that I am afraid of the gay community. They are a powerful force to be reckoned with, and they are winning the war here in America and around the world. They, not God, are now defining morality.
    My final question to you is this: “What are you going to do about it?”

    Are you going to get politically involved and fight back for what you believe in?

    Or are you going to Ben Dover and passively accept what they give you in the name of political correctness? I don’t know about you, but I Ben Dover for no man. Think about it. Decide what kind of America you want and then stand up for it.

    • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

      Teresa,

      What was Saint Paul’s excuse?

      • Teresa

        coal miner, I do not answer to him nor him to me…I do not make excuses for him nor him to me….I and him will answer to one and that ONE is GOD and GOD alone. You as well.

        • Nate

          Then I guess we don’t have to answer to you either. No one need to justify themselves to you. I guess you can go now. Bye Bye!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            nate,
            and you can go as well. I personally believe it will be a very WARM climate for you!!!

          • THARK

            ah, so Joe The Merry Blasphemer has an inside scoop to weather patterns in the future.

            How high does one need to be to take such drivel seriously,y as some sort of “final word” on the subject..?

            No wonder the H8ers can only win these anti-gay laws via abstract procedural ploys, rather than justice, logic, or The American Way of The Constitution.

            They got nothing else but empty threats of Hell that they have NO authority to even entertain, let alone utter aloud, in public.

            Watching H8ers self-destruct under direct scrutiny is a messy affair, but it IS fun to pick apart and analyze the dreck they spew and expose them for the liars and egomaniacs that the have groomed themselves to be.

            Just saying.

    • Disgusted

      That was a fantastic read. I whole-heartedly agree with everything written. I do stand up and write my representatives regularly about such things and others, but it seems as though it doesn’t matter, they do what they want anyway. Is it because there aren’t enough people writing that have the same opinion as me? Is it because my representative is acting on his/her own agenda without reference to mine and others wishes? I don’t know. We made a huge change in our representatives in this latest election and I am hopefull that they will start hearing us, but only time will tell. Until then I will continue to stand up for my opinions, I hope others are as well!

    • Jukebox

      A pervert is a pervert is a pervert, no matter what flowery, gentle word you use for one. Oh yes, I forgot, we must accept diversity. I think 90% of diversity is disguised bovine fesces. An abomination is an abomination, and I don’t care if your name is Barak Obamination.

      • Nate

        I’ll have to agree with you then. You ARE a pervert. Thank you.

        • Jukebox

          Nate, the liberal. I presume that all conservatives are perverts to the liberal, socialist, progressive, gay Obama supporters.

          • Nate

            I’m a moderate. I don’t believe its a good thing to be too far left or too far right. Left wing and right wing: you need both wings to fly a plane.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Nate,
            i think your “wings” might just be a little too limp to support your fuseloge!!

        • Brad

          Nate, If you don’t having anything constructive to say. Then please just don’t say anything…

          • Nate

            I usually do, but this time I got really irritated by many of the comments I’ve read. I thought I would just join in the rest.

          • THARK

            Someone with a valid morality and ethics ought to tell that to Joe The Merry Blasphemer above…

    • Chief

      Great post I agree with you whole heartedly.We are headed down the road of no return unless we repent..So sad we as a nation can’t see this and change.

    • crystals10

      Teresa:
      Great article,thank you. Hope others can see the truth.

  • tim

    obama needs to wait for the latest polls to come out before he makes a decision. Everything he does is geared towards the next election. I say impeach him also, that way he doesn’t need to worry about the next election!!

    • Nate

      Impeach him for what? What High Crimes and Misdemeanors has he committed? Would you be kind enough to make a complete and accurate list of them. Thanks.

      • Teresa

        here is a few for starters:

        Impeachable Acts
        * The Central Organization of Trade Unions, Kenya (COTU) received $91,106.66 to “marshal a coalition of pro-Constitution individuals, institutions, and organizations to drum up political support for the Proposed Constitution by organizing a public rally at the historic Kamukunji Grounds, Nairobi.”
        * The Provincial Commissioner North Eastern Province obtained $99,220 for “one of a series of activities that aim to contribute to an ‘overrepresentation’ of the YES voters at the next referendum. Specifically, OTI will provide support to the office of the Provincial Commissioner (PC) in the form of transportation and fuel.”
        * The Kenya Muslim Youth Alliance (KMYA) got $56,953.33 from the Obama administration for “one of a series of activities that aim to contribute to an ‘overrepresentation’ of the YES voters at the next referendum. Specifically, OTI will provide support to Kenya Muslims Youth Alliance (KMYA) in the form of transportation and communications.”
        * The Provincial Peace Forum, Rift Valley Province received $94,193.33 to “build on previous activities in the North Rift as an entry point for a YES campaign on the constitution. Specifically, this activity will serve to gain buy-in for the new proposed constitution by getting the professional elites’ commitment.”

        • Jukebox

          There is not enough time or room to list the things he has done to undermine our Republic, but he is unfortunately insulated by doing his destructive actions through Executive Fiat or Agency Regulation.

        • Doc Sarvis

          IF President Obama is responsible for any of the activities you just listed I don’t see why any of them are criminal. Looks like foreign aid support the U.S. has been providing for many decades.

        • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

          Teresa,

          Impeachable Acts?Lady, you ought to be committed.HA HA HA HA
          What you posted shows how ignorant and bigot you really are.Where are they impeachable?Enlighten me.You must be a Tea Party nut.No body comes up with that BullS***T,except them.Have a nice day.

          • Teresa

            This funding is an impeachable offense. Because the Kenyan Constitution essentially opens the nation up to unlimited abortions, the White House is in direct conflict with the Siljander Amendment annually included in the State, Foreign Operations Appropriations Act.

            The Amendment reads, “None of the funds made available under this Act may be used to lobby for or against abortion, and violations are subject to civil and criminal penalties under the Antideficiency Act, 31 U.S.C. § 1341.”

            Life News reports that this amount may exceed 10 million dollars.

            Obama has long had connections with Kenyan Politics which flaunts Federal Law. In 2006 as Senator, he campaigned for Raila Odinga, a thug politician who is a member of the same tribe as Obama and has connections with Al-Qaeda supporters.

            Now Obama is supporting Odinga’s Constitution, and he is once again flouting Federal Law to do it.

            The White House has spent over 10 million dollars lobbying for a pro-abortion constitution in Kenya, and Obama cannot be let off the hook for these high crimes and misdemeanors.

          • Teresa

            btw….have a nice day yourself

          • Kinetic1

            Teresa,
            In other words, IF you can prove a direct link between these funds/groups and the President, and IF you can prove that these funds were directly used to promote abortion, there MIGHT be something to present. It’s not likely to be impeachable, but it does offend your strongly held religious beliefs, so it MUST be a reason for impeachment.

          • Teresa

            Kinetic1 says:
            December 28, 2010 at 1:23 pm
            Teresa,
            In other words, IF you can prove a direct link between these funds/groups and the President, and IF you can prove that these funds were directly used to promote abortion, there MIGHT be something to present. It’s not likely to be impeachable, but it does offend your strongly held religious beliefs, so it MUST be a reason for impeachment.

            **********************************************************
            no kinetic what i am saying is that in a long list of other things that this president has done this is a list of impeachable acts that is a against the law and shows his ties to Al-Qaeda, which he repeadily denounces and lies about. And it has already been investigated, do your own research!

          • Teresa

            but hey, if that doesn’t satisfy you, I will gladly list more for ya…

          • Teresa

            *unlawfully exercised the authority of his office to take private property for public use in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which guarantees to the People that “private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation,” and without “due process of law”;
            *unlawfully interfered with the management of private companies for the purpose of achieving government control of them, in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
            *unlawfully interfered with the economic rights of the People by imposing unreasonable impairments in the fulfillment of their intended contractual obligations, and their ability to enter into such contracts, and attempting to change our fundamental economic system, where there is no significant or legitimate public purpose to do so.

          • Kinetic1

            Yes Teresa, it has been investigated in a VERY biased way. I have had a great deal of exposure to dealings with USAid and it is not at all unusual for the US to fund education programs in foreign nations. The NGOs who we fund may do little more than convince people that they have the right and the obligation to vote, or they may help sway the voters, not to elect one party over another, but to consider those choices that we feel would be best for Democracy and our relations.

            So, is the President directly involved in the funding of these groups? It seems clear that he does have an interest in the outcome of this vote, so yes. Is the fact that the new constitution would change the nations laws regarding abortion likely of any interest or concern to our nation? Not likely, and I doubt it has anything to do with the President’s support of the new constitution, but clearly it is the main focus of the “investigation” you relied on. As for any of this being impeachable, I believe you are WAY off base.

            By the way, you forgot to mention that certain Republican representatives, along with several Christian groups are being investigated for trying to more “directly” influence the vote in opposition to our governments position. How do you suggest we deal with them?

          • Kinetic1

            Teresa,
            *unlawfully exercised” … *unlawfully interfered” … How about something more than just vague references.

          • crystals10

            coal miner:
            The fact that he was born in Mombasa, Africa nullifies his ability to be president alone! So your right, it’s not an impeachable offense because you can’t “impeach” one who isn’t qualified to hold the office. Throw him overboard!

        • Nate

          Sorry Teresa, but none of those are High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Wrongs answer. Please try again. Would you like to use one of your lifelines: ask the audience or call a friend? “DING!!!” Oh, sorry Teresa, time ran out on you. Better luck next time.

          • Teresa

            ha ha ha, nate you truly are a sad lil man for you understand nothing of the law or the Constitution, which probably explains why your are merely a sheep blindly following. All I ask is that YOU read the Constitution yourself, you can do that right?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Nate,
            Actually if he breaks ANY law while in office, he can be impeached!!! Not that our weak willed, lilly livered, no-cahone government would, but they could!

        • Teresa

          no Nate, I said he has ties to them…thru CAIR, other organizations thru Kenya, donations. I love how you like to twist words…lol your a very dramatic individual, is that your usual demenior?

  • thisisit

    Teresa
    That is a wonderful article and I fully agree with the person who wrote it. To Coal Miner, you don’t deserve an answer.

    Since Obama is bi-sexual why would he not approve of anything that has to do with gays? The gay lifestyle is wrong according to God and no matter how you try to argue about it God is always right!

    • Kinetic1

      Thisisit,
      Providing that you agree with the Christian doctrine. I respect your right to your beliefs and expect you to defend them, but this is still America. Poll after poll shows a growing acceptance for Gay marriage, and in the end it’s the American people, not the church that decides what we will and won’t accept. No one is suggesting that your Church should be forced to accept or perform gay marriages, and no one should. It’s the difference between law and religion, and law is what we are concerned with here.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Kinetic,
        If you truly believe what you state then you should be dead set against the court decision that overturned california’s ban on gay marriage???

        • Kinetic1

          There are times when the “will of the people” violates our Constitution, and judicial review must be applied. That is what the courts are for. If the people of California want to ban same sex marriage, they’ll have to convince the courts that it does not violate the rights of the G&L community. At this point it is likely moot as most polls find Californians in favor of SSM.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kenetic1,
            Actually that vote was just last year so I guess the majority DON’T support it!

          • THARK

            Joe, that vote ws 2 years ago, and several states and countries have since recognized Gay citizens constitutionally protected rights, and in CA, that microscopic 2% win for flop 8 no longer exists in CA, and didn’t actually exists until forced from outside the state, poured in millions to run ads full of lies (this was proven during the 1st flop 8 trial)

            As it stands, that 2% wasn’t even 2% of all eligible voters, it was 2%of the 35% that bothered to show up at the polls.

            That makes that slim-and-no-longer-existing 2% “majority” that passed Flop 8 into temporary “law”, even MORE tenous than your side likes to make it out to be.

            Marriage equality is here to stay. H8ters and editors to Bibles and State constitutions, on the other hand, are not long for this world.

            History will bear this out.

  • jopa

    tim: The new polls are out and President Obama is the most admired person in the world.

    • Nate

      He’s admired by many people around the world. More than not, it’s many Americans like the wacko right wingers that are viewed by the rest of the world as the problem with the United States. The people that don’t respect President Obama and believe all the lies about him, live in a world of misinformation and fear. It really says a lot about just who THEY really are. I don’t think they could say one nice or positive thing about our President if you paid them to do so. It’s funny how they think they know everything about the man, as well as a lot of details for someone they can’t stand. I find that kind of focus really odd.

      • Teresa

        really Nate…no, this man will not get any respect from us so called “nuts” for the simple fact of this. We respect the Constitution. Do you know what that is Nate? That is the thing that your chosen president is trying very hard to tear apart piece by piece and tells us and everyone around the world that WE need to be more tolerent, that WE need to give government more power, that WE need to give up all our liberties and rights and morals, that WE need to forget our values and open our borders and be unprotected and WE need to pay more by taxes and land and fines and fees, and WE should be treated as criminals while government can break every law and run amuck in this country, yes….WE the “nuts” you call us will show no respect for a man who is intentionally set out to destroy the greatest country in GOD’S creation not mans creation!

        • Nate

          Teresa, I didn’t call you a nut. You seem like an intelligent person. I wasn’t addressing you when making my comment.

        • Nate

          Really?!? You’re serious?!?

          God did not created the United States of America. Man did. God created the heavens and the earth. Man in his free will laid claim to the land and divided it to suit him, way before any of us were even born.

          • Teresa

            really nate…please…God created everything, we only need to look around us every day to be thankful for creation itself. This country was founded Christian beliefs…”IN GOD WE TRUST” is still our motto as much as everyone would like to change that!

          • Kinetic1

            Yes Teresa, it is our nation’s motto, but it wasn’t always thus. There is little argument that our founding fathers were, to one degree or another Christians, but to what extent their faith (or lack of it) influenced our government is a matter of debate. I realize that entertainment figures like Glen Beck and “historians” like David Barton would like us to believe that the true, Christian nature of our nation’s founding has been obfuscated by Progressives and atheists, but history tells another story. One look into Barton’s methods and the “facts” he presents makes it abundantly clear why his work is disputed by actual historians.

            If you choose to believe in the Christian God, then yes, God created the heavens and the Earth. But to then suggest that God has created “everything” including our nation seems to me to be pushing the concept. Where does it end? Did god influence the design of the clothes we wear? Is God’s influence the reason one person likes mustard on their hot dog, while another likes catsup? Extending God’s influence to every aspect of our lives would seem to fly in the face of free will.

      • Jukebox

        I wonder what position in the Obamahouse Nate occupies, and if he has some designer Kneepads.

        • Nate

          There you go again, talking about gay sexual acts with knee pads. It appears the Jukebox is stuck on the same old record. Please make another selection.

      • hundabuxt

        I don’t believe him and firmly believe he’s a manufactured product produced to take advantage of a rare opportunity during electorate discontent who will succeed in drifting our country strongly into the liberal stream. The damage he’ll due during his tenure will likely be unrepairable and could make us into a massive Greece, which will push the entire world into montary crisis. He may not be the antichrist but he’s related closely.

    • Jukebox

      A lie can get all the way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. Obama has been around the world many times in his life.

      • Brad

        Obama is nothing more than a puppet for George soros, who is trying to destroy and undermine our country like he’s done to so many others… He is constantly looking for recruits (liberals) and unfortunately there are too many mindless sheep (Nate) that can see or understand this truth… Our founding fathers established this country on the belief in God and the Morels & Principles of Gods word and over time we have drifted away from this. That’s why as a nation we are facing the problems we have now… call it what you will!

    • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

      jopa,New polls

      I saw that.

    • chuckb

      jopa

      the world is all screwed up and where did you get that poll in harlem?

      • Karolyn

        It’s the most recent Gallup Poll. Obama is #1, Bush #2 and Clinton #3. The third year at #1 for Obama. For women, it’s Hillary, Palin, Oprah, and Michelle Obama. The poll also found the country equally divided regarding Obama’s approval rating – 46% approve and 46% disapprove.

        • Nate

          Karolyn, how dare you use facts and put those people in a positive light. :-)

          Thanks!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          According to gallop dated Dec 6 KENNEDY is STILL the most popular 20 century president!!!!

          • Nate

            The poll you mentioned was from 3 weeks ago. Thing have changed since then. On a daily basis many things are ‘Constantly Evolving’.

  • http://www.apostolictorahstudies.com Rex

    Constantly evolving? That’s another new word for whatever is popular they go with. These idiot politicians have not backbone whatsoever except what is criminally wrong. They are political whores, may the one with the most money win their vote. Anything that is immoral like ‘sodomy’ they go for anything. The morals this country had years ago is quickly fading and the judgment of this country is going to happen. This is NOT the U U of A that I grew up in. Judgment is on its way sheeple!

    • Jukebox

      Our so called “EDUCATION SYSTEM” is teaching and promoting perversion and other abominations described in the Tora, Bible and Quran in the name of diversity, tolerance and sensitivity. They are failing to teach the history of the fall of the great empires of the past. They believe in doing the “FEEL GOOD” thing, and let the rest of the world be damned.

    • Nate

      You do realize that Sodomy is the oral or anal copulation between heterosexuals, as well as homosexuals. Look it up.

  • Chief

    Every one has a right to their own belief but God has the final say and there will be no appeal of his judgement whether you believe it or not will not matter.What He says is wrong is wrong period.He is not sitting up in Heaven saying lets make a deal he is saying this is the deal (My Word is true and final,)Some of the post here scares me to see how tolerant we are becoming we no longer believe there is a right and wrong just acceptance of anything that comes along at the moment and sounds good to us.God help us.

    • Teresa

      AMEN!

    • Doc Sarvis

      Don’t tolerate hate but tolerate love

    • Nate

      Amen to that Thark!

      • THARK

        Thanks Nate!

        …and a sincere thanks to everyone here (even those from The DarkSide) for caring at least enough to discuss what/how you are thinking about your neighbors, relatives, and countrymen/women.

        But alas:

        For those of you who had been SO accustomed to your phoney “religious” squeamishness having any sort of legal standing constitutionally, time to hit ‘escape’ (that ancient program is going to crash your computers anyway; You can either have your pious heart-attacks and go away – even die for your ‘religion’ over it- or you can just go away.

        Either outcome will work to the betterment of our Nation, so it’s the H8ters’ choice on how to help the rest of us do that, without forcing us to listen to squeamish hypocriticial and/or empty whines and re-purposed Bible verses (of all things!)

        Time to reboot, or get out of the way of The One and only True Will of The People: THE UNEDITED US CONSTITUTION

        1968 = 2010

        *HAPPY NEW YEARS* EVERYONE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR *ALL*!!!!

  • Ashley

    You would have thought that with the odd TRILLION or so dollar deficiet the president would have more pressing problems to worry about than a minority group, but then with his diminishing popularity he may be targeting the pink vote, as for jimbo carter he was a failure though looking at BHO hes fast catching up in the failure rettings.
    The president should have three words on his lipe Economy Economy Economy if you can get that sorted you can look at being popular. however popular is the driver and getting the USA on an even keel doesnt register

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    WELL,this ruling shows that a government that declares that it has seperated itself from the laws of GOD,is only capable of making laws that serve no purpose to good of society in general,but in reality,cause chaos in the general population,while people that want to make marriage between men and women to the same level of those practicing perverted life styles,truly whats going to happen to service personal captured in wars in moslem nations? i ask this because anyone that serves perverse ways(shall be killed)thats the main thing this ruling has made,all our service personal will be looked upon as perverted service personal,just because a small group pushing this agenda want it so,those other men and women(STRAIGHT PEOPLE)have been pulled into the line of fire by the gay and lesbians movement,truely i hope my family memebers never have to serve in this new military,why couldnt the lawmakers just put together a gay army with gays having pink uniforms and pink battle flags,that way the could get all the credit,for battles won,but no as always why put it really out in the open when you can make it seem the whole service personal could be gay,and who will pay the price for this,everyone that doesnt want this the (MAJORITY OF AMERICANS)but i quess the real answer is none of straight folks count in this godless government that declares itself above the laws of man,(NON GAYS AND LESBIANS)well it looks like weather anyone likes it or not welcome to the toilet bowl of the (NWO) where there is no right or wrong,just a cesspool of perversion,theft,and godless lying scumbags,A NEW ERA OF SODOM AND GOMORRA,thank you (ACLU)and AIPAC,)for putting this filth upon every persons head(LEAGAL CITIZENS),truly a total nightmare for this nation,for this bunch in power have shown their true colors and its not the red,white and blue(THE AMERICAN FLAG)but the (NWO)FLAG,where nothing is right,just an outlook from an old bible reading,gun owner and a grandfather.HAPPY NEW YEAR,what a joke.

    • Ashley

      I dont know about the capture part in foreign lands, but is I was in the milatry and in the firing line id want to know that my team mates were watching my back rather than my backside. as above have a pink battalion where they can take the credit where due, and if there captured they should enjoy their real life S&M games

  • Henry Ledbetter

    THANKS TERESA Doc if your house was on fire would you want me to knock on your door and warn you? Your house is on fire and Chief is on target.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Vaksai Amen So many spiritual houses are on fire because they deny the truth of God and His Word. It seems to me that many people underestimate “THE WRATH OF GOD THAT IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN AGAINST ALL UNGODLINESS AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS OF MEN WHO HOLD THE TRUTH IN UNRIGHTIOUSNESS. (Rom. 1:18) If anyone is in doubt about who is being referred to, read the rest of the chapter.

    .

  • Ilvinsd

    I am for the Prez. I am not for gay marriage, I am not against allowing them the same legal rights that other people have that have a life long relationship. Just give that act of living together a different name.

    • Nate

      I know that Canada has marriage for all consenting adults and no one has protested against it at all. That’s probably because they have real issues that are really more important than worrying about other peoples personal lives. I could care less if gay people get married or not. It doesn’t in any way affect my life and that of my family. I say live and let live.

  • Dee

    This country is NOT ready for a gay president(we might already have one). This country is morally bankrupt.
    It is sickening to see two of the same sex together.
    God said go forth and multiply. You sure can’t do it with 2 men or 2 women together.
    The morals of the people in this country has gone to hell.

  • thark

    For all you H8ter that say God hates the homosexuals he Himself made, go back and read what it actually states quite plainly in the Bible. Also not that Jesus NEVER mentions this alleged natural evil of being a gay person because God has never exibited any such anti-Gay agenda, and any one who says it’s there, is simply PUTTING it in where it doesn’t exist.

    If Leviticus id your excuse to celebrate your hate, check again what it ACTUALLY says: For a Man to lie with a man as with women is an abomination? In context, this line simply points out that a man can never be expected to treat a male love the same as a woman; in the day, women were counted as chattel for the most part, and definitely valued as less than a slave. God says to gay people, taken literally, “Do not treat your loved one as anything less than equal; anything less, is an abomination.

    The idea of equality in a str8 relationship would not be known anywhere for millenia to come. That is the abomination and much more in line with wnat we all know of God and His message of Love.

    People who would intepret Hate anywhere into GOd’s plan is only helping evil win. If you evil “Pious” phonies want a war over Love vs H8. you got it; but you will not be permitted to lie about the Bible any longer. That time is done. God will win this. So will law-abiding gay people.

    Romans 1:26-27

    The complete passage describes how a group of Christians left the church, converted to Paganism, and engaged in orgiastic, presumably heterosexual sexual activities. This type of behavior was common among Pagan fertility religions in Rome during Paul’s time.

    Paul writes that, later, God “gave them over” to something new: homosexual behavior. This implies that they had a heterosexual orientation and had engaged only in heterosexual sex throughout their lifetime. God influenced them in some way to engage in homosexual orgies. This was, for them, an unnatural, and thus sinful, activity.

    Paul criticized them because they were engaged in sexual activity which was unnatural for them. For a person with a heterosexual orientation, homosexual behavior is “shameful,” “unnatural,” “indecent,” and a “perversion.”

    The passage in Romans is not a condemnation of homosexual behavior. Rather, it disapproves of sexual behavior that is against a person’s basic nature.

    For the vast majority of adults, those who are heterosexual, it is indecent for them to engage in homosexual activities. One can interpret Paul’s writing as stating that, for the small minority of humans who are homosexual, it would be indecent for them to engage in heterosexual activities.

    As C. Ann Shepherd writes: “When the scripture is understood correctly, it seems to imply that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals.”

    Now THAT sounds like it’s REALLY God doing the talking, without all the animus-driven human interference for singularly dubious purposes, to boot!

    What IS that nonsense, anyway, H8ers? Just curious…

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Thark,
      you can interpret the Bible your way all you have to to make your way of life have value, but don’t try to convince true Christians of it, it won’t wash!! Remember my misinformed poster, God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!!

      • thark

        “Adam and Steve” exist as we all do, so who exactly in your twisted world made THEM? The demon that forces people to pretend God hates people like me, when the life that I have shared with my husband of 2 years (and partner of 27 years says differently, as has Jesus and considering God’s amazing help, which says just as plainly that we are love and cherished in spite of generations of liars and hypocrites have wrongly claimed, and for dubious purposes.

        And look at the evidence we have all seen: when H8ters put a ballot measure on the books in CA, the act of Flop 8 passing, merly soldified and confirmed the 18,000 wedding s that took place, including ours. Forever.

        When flop 8 was called into question in court. a possibly Gay judge was given the case and in no uncertain terms, Flop 8 has been showen to be the animus-driven bigoted nonsense it was conceived to be.

        That goes to appeal in the 9th circuit and the most justice minded Judge in the 9th circuit gets the case along with a Mormon who has already acknowledged that since CA Gay couples have nearly NEARLY all the rights of equivalent str8 couples, the stripping of the word “marriage” is a proven act of discrimination that the constitutition cannot and does not support (remember, all these illegal marriage bans were only allowed to happen temporarily through procedural loop-holes and a cynical edit to the state constitutions in question.

        The US constitution has no such edits amd the 2/3 needed to change the US constitution, DOESN’T EXIST ANY LONGER now that the honest discussion has started.

        Check your Scriptures folks who H8; taken literally, the language used to denigrate gay people has been interpeted to mean h8 is *good* and again, one must them wonder who these phoney “relgious” folks are, who think their religion -even the world- will fall apart any time Gay people are treated equallty under the law

        • thark

          Jesus said “render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s”

          “Caesar” (ie the prevailing governing force) says quite plainly “equality & Justice for all”

          While God and Jesus were insistent on this one: “Love thy neighbor as you love yourself”

          And lo and behold: no conflict of interest in the two messages; whereas H8ters are constantly being crippled by their message of h8 and Bible editing for dubiously evil purposes, *just because*…

          The silly playground *logic* of Adam & Steve vs Adam and Eve has run its nonsensical course and it looks like the Great test of God’s message lies on whether these so-called “religions” who *need* to discriminate against law-abiding citizens can survive without using divisiveness and H8…

          Bring on any Scripture hater and you will see; if taken exactly as written (but without all the h8ful, unGodly editorializing from sexual elitists with a biszarre grudge against Gay people they’ll never have the pleasure to know) the message remains.

          God is Love and God knows love.

          Discrimination just to make your earthly deceitful selves feel superior -when you most certainly are NOT superior- will be the undoing of h8ters, just as it always is. (remember when Jesus threw a fit in the marketplace?

          Please note now, how it surely WASN’T gay people who pissed him off; he NEVER mentions gay couples in love. not even in passing it was the FALSELY PIOUS FOLKS WHO *CLAIM* TO SPEAK AND JUDGE IN GOD’S INSTEAD OF LIVING HIS MESSAGE AS WRITTEN (WITHOUT THE EARTHLY ANIMUS)

          Christians don’t HAVE to fail this test of love, but many seem to choose to fail it, to impress their friends and phoney clergymen.

          Which begs the question: who are these h8ers REALLY listening to when GOd’s message,a nd Jesus’ reconfirmation of that message could not be clearer…?

          For anyone who truly loves THE TRUE WORD AS WRITTEN, without the empty-headed editorializing, isn’t a question worth asking yourselves?

          After all, if Your Devil entity were to set out to derail true believers from Goodness, isn’t this insistence on discrimination and violence towards law-abiding strangers exactly how the DarkSide would seek to accomplish this miscreant endeavor of spreading h8?

          Every single Prophet to date, who has ever pondered how evil can be allowed to insinuate itself onto Goodness, says this how it happens:

          Good people, being deceived to do the opposite of God’s Will…

          Pretty simply stuff when you skip all the so-called conservative editorializing that has been allowed on the Bible.

          Just saying.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Thark,
            you want longevity to decide? I’ve been married to the same woman for 34 years this month! My in=laws have been married for almost 60 years! My parents (Father/stepmother) married for 30 years till my father died. The mores of society have always been decided by the people of that society. Fact of life! The majority of the population are against gay marriage! You and your minority are trying to FORCE your lifestyle on the rest of society the same as the government did with Abortion! Both are WRONG!! your minority doesn’t want EQUAL rights, you want unequal rights! special laws if someone assaults you, special laws if someone kills you, even special laws for THOUGHTS, as if you or anyone else in this world can read a persons thoughts!! I’ve got news for you sonny, we already have laws against assault and we already have laws against murder! And we damn sure don’t need people trying to make people think they know what a person is thinking!!

          • THARK

            LET LOOK AT JOE’S CURIOUS LOGIC to see how The DarkSide’s “Logical argument” falls apart under even the mildest scrutiny. By the end of this analysis, it will be clear that this h8 filled individual feels “squeamish” around Gay people, not out of any moral compass kickng into action, but the exact opposite: prejudice, bias, and elitism of the style that allowed slavery in this country, in spite of the US Constitution. That allowed women to be sequestered from the vote, in spite of The US Constitution. That allowed Jim Crowe and misogeny “laws”.

            THE ONLY “WILL OF THE PEOPLE” IS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES ITSELF. Any alternative definition of the”Will of the People”, is wholly counterfeit and an act of treasonous deception. Nothing more.

            Let’s begin analysis of Joe’s curious yet ultimately meaningless post:

            JOE: you want longevity to decide? I’ve been married to the same woman for 34 years this month!

            ME & THE VOICE OF THE REST AMERICAN PEOPLE: So what?

            JOE: My in=laws have been married for almost 60 years!

            ME & THE VOICE OF THE REST AMERICAN PEOPLE: So what?

            JOE: My parents (Father/stepmother) married for 30 years till my father died.

            ME & THE VOICE OF THE REST AMERICAN PEOPLE:So what?

            JOE: The mores of society have always been decided by the people of that society.

            ME & THE VOICE OF THE REST AMERICAN PEOPLE: …while the Constitution decides the validity of society’s laws in a system of checks and balances that runs 24/7, no matter what the nob mentality might think is “right” at the time. (see slavery, womens’ suffrage, marriage equality, etc) And history proves that mores evolve and are SUPPOSED to evolve away from animus-driven selfishness on the part of some powerful majority. The constitution, however stays the same, even when so-called mores insist otherwise (see slavery, womens’ suffrage, Jim Crowe, marriage equality, etc…No doubt, History will speak for itself)

            JOE: Fact of life! The majority of the population are against gay marriage! Both are WRONG!! your minority doesn’t want EQUAL rights, you want unequal rights…

            ME & THE VOICE OF THE REST AMERICAN PEOPLE: Last year maybe there was some slight “majority” (nowadays, it’s about 50/50) and with nonsensical logic offered by bigots of the world, that will keep changing for the better, now that the lives of gay people stopped being silenced through state-sanctioned mental/physical torture, ostracism by a loud but powerfully h8ful few (most strangers don’t care who other people marry; a murderer on death row can marry, str8s can have gameshows resulting in “marriage” and a man or woman can marry and divorce as many times as they please, and not a Peep out of the “Sancitity of Marriage” crowd)

            The times where Gays can be consistently targeted whenever a wingnut politician needs votes, is over. Willfully illegal discrimination runs counter to the Constitution, as does Joe’s squeamishness.

            JOE: You and your minority are trying to FORCE your lifestyle on the rest of society the same as the government did with Abortion!

            ME & THE VOICE OF THE REST AMERICAN PEOPLE: what a crock, since gay people are the ONLY law-abiding group of Americans who have had legislation consistently aimed at Gays, and ONLY gays, in order to disenfranchise gays, and ONLY Gays, who only wish to be left to pursue our American dreams, just like anybody else.

            JOE: special laws if someone assaults you, special laws if someone kills you, even special laws for THOUGHTS, as if you or anyone else in this world can read a persons thoughts!!

            ME & THE VOICE OF THE REST AMERICAN PEOPLE: I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS:
            this “law” was offered as meaningless lip service, since it only assumes A gay person is going to be attacked; by that time, it is too late; a law is law is law and these special considerations are offensive to honest constitution-minded gay folks too. This law is symptomatic of political footballisms with innocent gay people, to no one’s advantage but the politicians pretending support of equality even as they pander to the wingnut h8ters for votes.

            JOE: I’ve got news for you sonny, we already have laws against assault and we already have laws against murder! And we damn sure don’t need people trying to make people think they know what a person is thinking!!

            ME & THE VOICE OF THE REST AMERICAN PEOPLE: Agreed. It won’t survive constitutional scrutiny and it is meaningless to Gay people anyway, when we can still be fired and kicked out of our legally rented homes in many states.

            IN SUMMARY: Gays being treated equality and enjoying due process and the protections of the 14th Amendment, make Joe feel downright SQUEAMISH AND THIS SQUEAMISHNESS IS MAKING JOE *MAD* (or crazy?)

            To which I and the True Will of the people, in the glorious form of the American Constitution, ask:

            LAW-ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE MAKING YOU FEEL SO SQUEAMISH THAT YOU THINK THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS YOU DO, BECAUSE YOU’RE UNDER THE SELF-SERVINF IMPRESSION THAT YOU’RE SOMEHOW *BETTER* THAN THEM? IN A WAY TO BE CODIFIED INTO LAW?

            ARE YOU *HIGH*?!?!?

            This is America, and if a law-abiding American makes you feel this squeamish, that’s really TOO FREAKING BAD isn’t it!

            The time for pandering to the squeamish anywherer is done, for it is ACTUALLY the squeamish and the most Bible/Quran thumpers amongst us who are the violent ones, and the hateful ones, and society’s absolute weakest links.

            Not the rest of us, who think the Constitution doesn’t need to pander to the weakest links any longer.

            AGAIN, A H8TER’S POST IS REVEALED TO BE AS MEANINGLESS AS THE DEFENSES PUT ON BY THE PROPONENTS OF DADT, PROP 22, PROP 8, AMENDMENT 2, DOMA, etc., etc, etc. The writing is on the wall because it’s also in the Constitution. LIKE IT OR NOT. (seekers of justice, “like” it)

            Equality and Justice for “ALL”.

            So simple.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            thark,
            The biggest flaw in your arguement is that you have the unmitigated gall to say you speak with the voice of the rest of America! you overinflate your importance! The People of many states have spoken through the vote many times already, THEY DON’T SUPPORT GAY “MARRIAGE”! The vote has gone against them time and time again! If the supreme court were in support of gay marriage, they wouldn’t have kicked it back to the states rights opine more than once! you want gay unions fine, you want legal rights to inheritance, fine just don’t insult the marriage of a man and a woman and call it “marriage”! It is no such thing!! If you and your partner had half a brain cell between you, you would have an iron clad will and a living will as well and all the things you wish in case of terminal illness will be assured! Even Straight couples have to have them you dolt!!

        • THARK

          Dear dolt: Ca already recognizes my marriage, so the additional expenses you expect Gay people to pay in order to reach equality will not apply to my husband and I, nor should the apply as an additional burden to gay couples, merely because your animus “says so”. The timme for pamdering to bigots is coming to an end. Obviously. The DarkSide has no defense to support the indefensiblt. All we seem to get are fractured claims of righteousness which no one believes any longer.

          Due process and the 14th admendment say that Gay people don’t have to pay extra just to make sure the “Squeamish bigots” feel superior “just because”.

          Marriage bans in America are living on borrowed time.

          History will bear this out.

          (Haters WILL need to adjust, like it or not)

    • Dean

      That has got to be the funniest attempt at misquoting Scripture I have ever seen! The so-called Rev. Wright has nothing on you! What’s your take on Moby Dick by Melville? I bet that’s interesting!

      • thark

        Go ahead and prove me wrong, and we’ll talk. I am willing to bet the people who highjack the scriptures in order to justify the unjustifiable cant’t even point to a single verse that says “Gays are evil” or “demonic” or anything of the sort.

        Go ahead. I dare you. I know you can’t and probably won’t, since you just wouldn’t know what to do with all this bizarre animosity you’d be left with…

        But sure. Go ahead. let’s see which verses give you the permission to H8…

        (Should be interesting)

        • Nate

          Thark, you are totally cracking me up. Your points ring true and watching the helpless respond to you is quite amusing. It’s also quite sad at the same time. Didn’t their mothers teach them any manners? It also seems like many on here enjoy living their petty little lives like they’re in the dark ages. They quote and cherry pick bible verses that have been mistranslated over the centuries and believe that’s a good reason to look down on those they feel are unworthy. We’re all worthy! We’re all equal! And don’t get me started on the Leviticus stuff. Leviticus is actually addressing the temple priests at the time, not to engage in sexual activity with male or female temple prostitutes inside the temple during certain holy times. Boy, talk about being lost in translations. And also, the word homosexual was only introduced into the bible in 1963 and not before.
          Cheers! And all the best for 2011! That includes everyone!

          • THARK

            Excellent and poignant point about that word “homosexual”:

            Homo is from a Greek stem, while “sexual” hails from a latin stem. The idea of either of those languages existing simultaneously in an even REMOTELY recognizable morpheme, at the time of ANYBODY’S Bible is factually impossible. The idea of a permanent hybrid from to languages that couldn’t yet exist makes one wonder who and why that original word been been since edited to say “homosexual” instead…?

            Could it be…possibly…SATAN?!?!?! (with merry apologies to Dana Carvey’s “Church Lady”)

            New year’s resolution? Stop the H8. IT’S JUST BETTER (and far less Evil) THAT WAY!

          • Bill

            Thark,

            I am a H8tr and proud of it, as all Christians are. we H8 sin, will not compromise with it in any way! The retirement plan for sin isn’t very beneficial for anyone, “The wages of sin is death”. H8ters have been present all through history and will be here until you drop the guillotine on our necks, or the lion devours our flesh for sport on the floor of the coliseum.The tactics of God’s enemies are futile, they haven’t stopped us in the past and will not in the future. We have been given victory over death,whereas the sinner, without repentance, has not.So my message as a H8tr to the homosexual community is this.”What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul”?

          • THARK

            Bill, you are clearly insane.

            Just saying.

          • THARK

            Let’s just dissect Bill’s panicked drivel in order to reveal this individual’s appalling lack of logic and reason in this discussion:

            BILL: Thark, I am a H8tr and proud of it, as all Christians are.

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: look at Bill, vacantly claiming to speak for all Christians now! Shade of h8ers’ typical hypocrisy as to who has the right to speak for whom. Laughable at best. Nonsense on its face.

            BILL: we H8 sin, will not compromise with it in any way!

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: And Bill uses the word “we” again. Laughable and presumptious at BEST. Sin hating is irrelevant when it comes to valid law-making. (Please make a note of this.)

            BILL: The retirement plan for sin isn’t very beneficial for anyone,

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: “retirement plan?! Are you KIDDING?! That image is little more than meaningless drivel, too. There’s a pattern here of meaningless drivel here. Notice? (“retirement plan”?! Sheesh)

            BILL: “The wages of sin is death”.

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: DRIVEL; we have Bill speaking for God again and the “wages of death”. Someone sounds like he/she/it wants to start their own religion.

            *rolled eyes*

            Pathetic, and meaningless. Of course.

            BILL: we hav been present all through history and will be here until you drop the guillotine on our necks, or the lion devours our flesh for sport on the floor of the coliseum.

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: tempting to throw such nonsense to the lions, but the H8ers’ ridiculous victim-mentality only amounts to so much MORE drivel.

            I mean…come ON! (LOL)

            Lions? Guillotines? A little melodramatic, but then again, what ELSE do h8ters have left? Their dirth of integrity had become legend by now.

            BILL: The tactics of God’s enemies are futile, they haven’t stopped us in the past and will not in the future.

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: the trend is in favor of Liberty and justice for all.

            On the other hand, such vapid and mndless bigotry, *just because* is a losing proposal; note how every anti-gay “law” on the books is now instantly being stricken in courts of law. Eviscerated, actually.

            (That is no accident nor is it coincidence, Bill; this is The Constitution at work)

            BILL: We have been given victory over death…

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: WHAT B.S.! “We”? Who is “we”, h8ter? And you’re claiming some sort of “Victory over death”? SERIOUSY?

            *ROTFLMAO*

            Are you HIGH?!I hope all future proponents of H8 in a court of law, use your “vitriol-soaked reasoning”. Marriage equality would become the law of the land even faster than it already will be, post-2010 if the enemies of The Consitution come to the table with this dreck!

            Bring it on! You only shoot yourselves in the the foot.

            BILL: whereas the sinner, without repentance, has not.

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: whereas Bill, speaking for God is still…spewing irrational and irrelevant drivel, and little more.

            Such egotistical preening on the part of teh H8ters remains laughable at best (and irrelevant no matter what!)

            BILL: So my message as a H8tr to the community is this…

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: Don’t even bother, Bill; The animus driven “message” coming from such faceless and immoral h8ter, who claims to speak for God, is useless.

            As per usual.

            BILL: ”What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul”?

            ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: “gaining the whole world”?
            “Losing souls”…? And all this nonsensical guesswork on behalf of God is supposed to MEAN something to the rest of us?

            Are you High, Mister Bill? Or merely just a crazed egomaniac?

            Indeed, you seem to have successfully made excellent arguments for either and/or both shortcomings.

            And to what avail?

            Such empty headed animus is no longer considered to be valid as any sort of basis for lawmaking.

            No rational individual would ever say “logic” such as Bill has presented above, could EVER be valid in any federal court of law, since it is clearly steeped in sexually elitist, ego-crazed nonsense.

            Try some facts next time, Bill, if you can scare up any facts. (and clearly, your side has no facts to support your animus…)

            Equality and Justice for ALL, (and not just sexual elitists with a bizarre grudge against strangers they will never know…)

            Bill, you only prove the sheer nonsense inherent in your failing arguments.

            Good luck with that!

            (lol)

        • Bill

          why should we throw pearls before swine? Obviously you feel that you have all the answers, and that God’s instruction is wrong and your perversion is right. We have done our parts as Christians in revealing God’s stance on sin and self righteousness. So just roll the cosmic dice by living out this pathological lifestyle, and let’s see where the future destiny of your soul ends up in eternity.

          • THARK

            Hypocrisy is the only perversion here.

            It’s amazing that h8ters would dare speak in God’s place, out of squeamishness and animus…yet, here they are.

            Not very convincing.

          • THARK

            Bill says:
            why should we throw pearls before swine?

            ANS: you have no “pearls’ and Gay citizens are not swine, so that first line is exposed as meaningless drivel…

            BILL: Obviously you feel that you have all the answers, and that God’s instruction is wrong and your perversion is right.

            ANS: while you have NO ANSWERS, but pretend that you do…? Laughable! If your side had any validity we’d have heard it in the Flop 8 trials, the amendment 2 trials, DADT TRIALS, DOMA trials, etc.

            But…”you got nothing”. As usual.

            BILL: We have done our parts as Christians in revealing God’s stance on sin and self righteousness.

            ANS: by lying and editing the Bible so you can change God’s stance? Good luck with THAT!

            BILL: So just roll the cosmic dice by living out this pathological lifestyle, and let’s see where the future destiny of your soul ends up in eternity.

            ANS: all gay people did was find out that we had always had the implicit right to marry under the COnstitution (remember, the 31 states with temporary marriage equality bans had to edit their constitutions first, because, otherwise, marriage would not be mentioned in constitutions AT ALL. The language required to support discrimination does not exist in any constitution until it is cynically PUT there by h8ters, which is how haters roll:

            They don’t like the constitutions as written? They attempt to change the constitution. On any grade-school playground where a bully doesn’t like the rules, the bully tries to chane the rules.

            In the real world, this is called cheating.

            In a federal court of law, this is ALSO called cheating.

            History will bear this out, yet all the h8ters will cry “victim” anyway, even though the ONLY victims in the discussion are Gay people; the only group of law-abiding citizens in the 21st century who are still at the mercy of bias, hate and bigotry.

            Now that the bluff has been called over and over and over again, exposing the h8ters as cheating losers, ultimately, Equality and Justice will surely prevail.

            Just as it ALWAYS DOES, and the h8ters are left with nonsensical claims on what God does or doesn’t say!

            Laughable!

            (shall the darkside invoke the Adam & Eve versus Adam & Steve red-herring once again, for old times sake…?)

            SHEESH!

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      TO:thark,from vaksal,please tell everyone here what happened to sodom and gammora in the bible and why it happened as written in the bible? i was raised on the outlook of live and let live,but it seems to me that this agenda of making marriage of men and women to the same level of gay marriage is not the plan as intended by the creator(GOD)maybe you can post something to counter this part of this bible passage,myself i honestly think,why couldnt you folks just have lived your lives in peace without pushing your agenda down everyones throats,for that makes no friends of those who dont believe in your life choices,and since it seems that this trend of bashing on the part of your agressive movement continues,it will make normal folks that more untrusting of your ultimate goals,question? to destory families in general? to destroy the very faberic of american society? and Question? to destroy the very beliefs in gods works,? and that would destroy the american republic as it was founded.please reply,because i just want to know what makes you folks think your above (gods plan)man and women in marriage vs man and man and women and women in marriage.please dont go wild and start yelling i am a gay hater,for in truth is was raised to follow the bible in my daily life,and i had a grandmother and grandfather that lived their lifes married under the laws of God,not under the laws of men(TYRANTS).it seems to many times that everything that has worked in the past in this nation has been attacked and destroyed and replaced by systems that dont work or are negative to the very values of the american people,AND THIS FINAL QUESTION IS,HOW IS THIS NATION GOING REACT TO THIS WAR YOU FOLKS HAVE STARTED AGAINST MARRIED PEOPLE? I THINK YOU HAVE CEMENTED THE VERY AMERICAN PEOPLE AGAINST YOUR AGENDA,AND AS SAID TO CEASAR LET BE HIS AND TO GOD LET BE HIS,AND MARRIGE BETWEEN MAN AND WOMEN WAS and is HIS AND NO GOVERNMENT RULING CAN OVERTHROW THOSE WORKS PERIOD! P.S.the QUOTE ABOUT CEASAR IS NOT EXACT,BUT YOU CAN GET THE POINT,THE GAY AGENDA JUST WONT FLY IN THE LAWS OF GOD,but i truely wish to understand,why you gays hate straight couples,(MEN AND WOMEN) so much,that you wish to destroy what it really means.also please do tell why you are so right in your outlook when in truth the whole world all cultures are based on the union of men and women and not one nation ever in the history of mankind,ever had a nation made by gay couples,but to just the contary,you folks have enjoyed the very fruits of those unions between men and women in the nations they founded.SO PLEASE REPLY,VAKSAL

      • THARK

        My marriage has had NO effect on your marriage or any one else’s, vaksal. You know it. We know it. You didn’t even know of me or my marriage until now, and still, no effect. In fact, it is common knowledge that gay couples who feel confident in the sanctity of their households under the constitution ROUTINELY improve the real-estate values; all the Catholic neighborhoods have disintegrated into Ghettoes everywhere they are the majority and it is not until Gay couples move in that these ghettoes are transformed into decent, beautified neighborhoods. So your ridiculous claime that gays hurt, rather than improve a given community are patently disproved by factual history.

        So vaksal, it seems your empty-headed claims of “destruction of society” are laughable at best.

        You have no evidence that your squeamishness over Gay strangers has any negative effect whatsoever and all the evidence in the world that the opposite is true.

        The time of pandering to imbeciles seems to be coming to a close, to the betterment of us all.

        Equality and Justice for all.

        So simple.

  • Dean

    His stance is exactly the same as it was when he stole his first office in Illinois.

    • THARK

      a “WIDE” stance Dean…?

      (just wondering)

  • Jeremy Leochner

    I comend the President for saying his views evolve. And I agree on the subject of gay marriage.Persoanlly I am not homosexual and not attracted to that particular lifestyle. But I dont see it as my place to tell people who they can or cant love except in cases of age and consent of course. And thats my view of the marriage issue. So long as its between two consenting adults of legal age I personally think love is all that matters. Sexual prefrence and lifestyle aside marriage is about love. And if its possible to recognize two men or two women sharing the same love with each other in the same way a man and a woman can then I see no reason why a public declaration and celebration of that love cant be seen as any less equal to one made by a heterosexual couple.

    • Nate

      You are so right, Jeremy. Love is love. I believe love comes from God. It’s a gift. Who are we to deny the gift of love we feel for the one we choose for life. To love another person is to see the face of God.

      All the best for 2011!

  • Wendy

    At this stage of the game, I think Obama will support what ever he thinks will get him another four years. He is a disgrace.

  • James

    Canada is getting into gay rights now. In 1997 the Ontario Human Rights Commission (HRC) fined the City of London and its mayor, Diane Haskett, $10,000 for refusing to proclaim “Gay Pride Day.” In 2001 in Toronto, printer Scott Brockie was fined $5,000 for refusing to print homosexual-themed stationary for the Canadian Gay and Lesbian Archives. In 2002 the HRC in Saskatchewan, Canada ordered Hugh Owens and the Star Phoenix newspaper to pay 1,500 to three homosexuals activists (totaling $4,500) for publishing an ad in the newspaper in 1997 quoting Bible verses regarding homosexuality. In 2005 a British Columbia Knights of Columbus council was ordered to pay 2,000 to two lesbians, plus their legal costs, for refusing toallow its facility to be used for their “wedding.” In January 2006,j catholic city councilman John DeCicco of Kamloops, British Columbia, was fined $1,000 and required to apologize for saying that homosexuality is “not normal or natural.” In 2007 the Christian Heritage Party of Canada and its leader Ron Gray were investigated by the Canadian Human Rights Commission after a homosexual activist complained that he was offended by material on the party’s web site concerning the organization’s opposition to “gay marriage.” In June 2008, Reverand Stephen Boisson was ordered to pay $7,000 “damages for pain and suffering” because of a complaint by homosexual activists. He is also banned from expressing opposition to homosexuality in any public forum. His crime? Writing a letter to the editor of the Red Deer Advocate newspaper in jAlberta opposing homosexual activism in the public elementary school curriculum. Boisson wrote: “Children as young as five and six years of age are being subjected to psychologically and physiologically damaging pro-homosexual literature and guidance in the public school system; all under the fraudulent guise of equal rights.”
    Won’t that be Great here?

    • THARK

      Gay Bashing/Homicides :
      1/2005 Ronnie Paris age 3, killed by his father for acting gay. 9/2008 – Teen in Tribune Kansas beaten in home invasion by another teen, who heard he was gay 1998 – Matthew Shepard age 21, pistol whipped and tied to a fence post, for being gay. Died of his injuries 1999 – Billy Jack Gaither age 39, beaten with an axe handle, put on a pile of tires and set ablaze 2/2008 Florida man beaten for being gay 7/2008 Jeremy Waggoner age 37 killed 2/2008 Lawrence King age 15, shot to death in class for being gay road2005: Owner of NJ gay club denied funeral 2/2008 Simmie Davis age 17, shot to death for being gay If this is not a Civil Rights issue as per your requirements: Beaten, killed, attacked by police, denied access to public areas, segregated with separate doctors, clubs etc., marriage not recognized by law. You aren’t paying close attention.

      5/2007 Sean Kennedy age 21, beaten to death for being gay
      7/2003 Nireah Johnson age 17, shot and set on fire for being transgender
      6/2008 Duanna Johnson, transgender, beaten by Memphis PD

      Discrimination:
      2007: Gay couple denied hotel room in Sumter SC. Clerk says its hotel policy not to rent to gay people.
      2007: Woman denied space in homeless shelter after shelter finds out she is a lesbian
      2008: Florida lesbian woman denied access to dying partner of 18 years 7/2008 Brian Carter, beaten by Greeley CO police officer for suspicion of being gay3/2007 Ryan Skipper age 25, stabbed 20 times and dumped on the side of the road.

      The time of the bigot is growing shorter and shorter because the truth can no longer be fudged away by pandering to squeamish anti-gay bigots.

      Adjust. You’re going to have to.

      • James

        Thark, The two men who pistol-whipped Matthew Shepard, tied him to a rail fence for 18 hours in near-zero temperatures, from which he later died, should be put to death for his murder. What you have catalogued here is the animosity that is generally held by Americans about homosexuals. It is biblical in origin, but our laws never held homosexual acts to be a capital offense, and now, since Lawrence v. Texas (2003), it isn’t even a crime. But forcing Christians Americans to accept gay and lesbian lifestyles as normal will never happen. I think we’re in for a rough ride.

        • THARK

          BUt luckily, James, the voice of America’s squeamish sexual elitists and self-proclaimed H8ters, is as meaningless as the “acceptance” coming form such moral degenerates, masquerading as, God, apparently (seeing as they like to rewrite teh Scriptures whenever that’s handy; I’d have though “The Faithful” would feel weird about editing and editorializing on the Bible. But, No.

          This deceit is how H8ers roll and why they will continue to lose in any court that will listen to their constitutionally illegal nonsense.

          The 1st Amendement says they have every right to ritualize their deceit.

          The rest of The Constitution says law-abiding Gay people shouldn’t have to care what they do in these “churches” that will apparently turn to dust the moment Gay people are treated more fairly under civil law.

          That, of course, speaks for to the failed validity of such “churches”.

          EQuality and Justice for all.

          *Like it or not*.

          THAT’S the way AMERICA rolls…(even if it DOES roll V E R Y S L O W L Y most of the time!)

          • James

            Thark, The Constitution says no such thing. The First Amendment forbids Congress from making any law respecting religious establishments, it is simply a restriction the states placed upon the federal government. Nor have Christians rewritten the Bible, they have ignored it, and the Supreme Court has countered it with their Lawrence v. Texas (2003) decision, but they haven’t rewritten it.
            Concerning Old Testament law, such as Leviticus 20:13, Jesus said: “Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” ‘Jot’ came from the Greek ‘iota’ (the smallest letter), and ‘tittle’ from the Greek ‘keraia’ meaning ‘horn-like’ (the apex of a letter).
            Your side is winning though. Yesterday’s news said the commander of the USS Enterprise was relieved of his command for dressing up like gays and poking fun at them.

          • THARK

            Of course “Equality & Justice for ALL” is winning. That’s how America rolls, and if we would just stop pandering to these squeamish morons, we could join together, and fix this economic mess this country is in.

            How did we get here? Flashback and look at how many elections in the last 15 years used the equal rights of Gays as political footballs? Campaigning on irrational squealmishness won elections, once upon a time. This led to the election of inept politicians.

            Yet somehow, the “decline of civilization” is because Gay people are guaranteed equal rights under the law, but aren’t allowed them…because squeamish sexual elitists, “said so” during close elections…?

            This is NOT just about Gay people (who are the only group of law-abiding citizens who ROUTINELY have flagrantly discriminatory “laws” inflicted at them, and only them, to disenfranchise them, and only them)

            Civil rights are civil rights, period. Every GAY PERSON at least knows it as a fact: no one is safe from irrational discrimination, until everyone is safe from irrational discrimination)

            Equality and Justice for All.

            So simple.

  • Bill

    Regardless of what strides the homosexual agenda makes in the future,more laws, sympathetic citizens,judicial activists, corrupt politicians, etc, it will never achieve the ultimate goal of acceptance.Acceptance that is,of this sinful practice as being normal,by our Creator.

    • THARK

      Bill, the “acceptance” of animus driven imbecciles is useless.
      Gay people have known this from a very young age.

      Equality & justice for all, is all that matters, and that is already guaranteed by the US Constitution!

      The squeamishness of all hyou phoney and pious imbeciles remains 100% irrelevant.

      History will bear this out.

      *Like it or not*.

  • THARK

    Anyone know of any hungry lions for Bill to play with, folks…?

  • THARK

    You know what, Folks?

    This seems like a nice opportunity to dissect Bill’s panicked drivel in order to reveal this individual’s appalling lack of logic and reason in this discussion:

    Let’s begin:

    BILL: Thark, I am a H8tr and proud of it, as all Christians are.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: look at Bill, vacantly claiming to speak for all Christians now! Shade of h8ers’ typical hypocrisy as to who has the right to speak for whom. Laughable at best. Nonsense on its face.

    BILL: we H8 sin, will not compromise with it in any way!

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: And Bill uses the word “we” again. Laughable and presumptious at BEST. Sin hating is irrelevant when it comes to valid law-making. (Please make a note of this.)

    BILL: The retirement plan for sin isn’t very beneficial for anyone,

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: “retirement plan?! Are you KIDDING?! That image is little more than meaningless drivel, too. There’s a pattern here of meaningless drivel here. Notice? (“retirement plan”?! Sheesh)

    BILL: “The wages of sin is death”.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: DRIVEL; we have Bill speaking for God again and the “wages of death”. Someone sounds like he/she/it wants to start their own religion.

    *rolled eyes*

    Pathetic, and meaningless. Of course.

    BILL: we hav been present all through history and will be here until you drop the guillotine on our necks, or the lion devours our flesh for sport on the floor of the coliseum.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: tempting to throw such nonsense to the lions, but the H8ers’ ridiculous victim-mentality only amounts to so much MORE drivel.

    I mean…come ON! (LOL)

    Lions? Guillotines? A little melodramatic, but then again, what ELSE do h8ters have left? Their dirth of integrity had become legend by now.

    BILL: The tactics of God’s enemies are futile, they haven’t stopped us in the past and will not in the future.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: the trend is in favor of Liberty and justice for all.

    On the other hand, such vapid and mndless bigotry, *just because* is a losing proposal; note how every anti-gay “law” on the books is now instantly being stricken in courts of law. Eviscerated, actually.

    (That is no accident nor is it coincidence, Bill; this is The Constitution at work)

    BILL: We have been given victory over death…

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: WHAT B.S.! “We”? Who is “we”, h8ter? And you’re claiming some sort of “Victory over death”? SERIOUSY?

    *ROTFLMAO*

    Are you HIGH?!I hope all future proponents of H8 in a court of law, use your “vitriol-soaked reasoning”. Marriage equality would become the law of the land even faster than it already will be, post-2010 if the enemies of The Consitution come to the table with this dreck!

    Bring it on! You only shoot yourselves in the the foot.

    BILL: whereas the sinner, without repentance, has not.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: whereas Bill, speaking for God is still…spewing irrational and irrelevant drivel, and little more.

    Such egotistical preening on the part of teh H8ters remains laughable at best (and irrelevant no matter what!)

    BILL: So my message as a H8tr to the community is this…

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: Don’t even bother, Bill; The animus driven “message” coming from such faceless and immoral h8ter, who claims to speak for God, is useless.

    As per usual.

    BILL: ”What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul”?

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: “gaining the whole world”?
    “Losing souls”…? And all this nonsensical guesswork on behalf of God is supposed to MEAN something to the rest of us?

    Are you High, Mister Bill? Or merely just a crazed egomaniac?

    Indeed, you seem to have successfully made excellent arguments for either and/or both shortcomings.

    And to what avail?

    Such empty headed animus is no longer considered to be valid as any sort of basis for lawmaking.

    No rational individual would ever say “logic” such as Bill has presented above, could EVER be valid in any federal court of law, since it is clearly steeped in sexually elitist, ego-crazed nonsense.

    Try some facts next time, Bill, if you can scare up any facts. (and clearly, your side has no facts to support your animus…)

    Equality and Justice for ALL, (and not just sexual elitists with a bizarre grudge against strangers they will never know…)

    Bill, you only prove the sheer nonsense inherent in your failing arguments.

    Good luck with that!

    (lol)

  • THARK

    You know what, Folks?

    This seems like a nice opportunity to dissect Bill’s panicked drivel in order to reveal this individual’s appalling lack of logic and reason in this discussion:

    Let’s begin:

    BILL: Thark, I am a H8tr and proud of it, as all Christians are.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: look at Bill, vacantly claiming to speak for all Christians now! Shade of h8ers’ typical hypocrisy as to who has the right to speak for whom. Laughable at best. Nonsense on its face.

    BILL: we H8 sin, will not compromise with it in any way!

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: And Bill uses the word “we” again. Laughable and presumptious at BEST. Sin hating is irrelevant when it comes to valid law-making. (Please make a note of this.)

    BILL: The retirement plan for sin isn’t very beneficial for anyone,

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: “retirement plan?! Are you KIDDING?! That image is little more than meaningless drivel, too. There’s a pattern here of meaningless drivel here. Notice? (“retirement plan”?! Sheesh)

    BILL: “The wages of sin is death”.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: DRIVEL; we have Bill speaking for God again and the “wages of death”. Someone sounds like he/she/it wants to start their own religion.

    *rolled eyes*

    Pathetic, and meaningless. Of course.

    BILL: we hav been present all through history and will be here until you drop the guillotine on our necks, or the lion devours our flesh for sport on the floor of the coliseum.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: tempting to throw such nonsense to the lions, but the H8ers’ ridiculous victim-mentality only amounts to so much MORE drivel.

    I mean…come ON! (LOL)

    Lions? Guillotines? A little melodramatic, but then again, what ELSE do h8ters have left? Their dirth of integrity had become legend by now.

    BILL: The tactics of God’s enemies are futile, they haven’t stopped us in the past and will not in the future.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: the trend is in favor of Liberty and justice for all.

    On the other hand, such vapid and mndless bigotry, *just because* is a losing proposal; note how every anti-gay “law” on the books is now instantly being stricken in courts of law. Eviscerated, actually.

    (That is no accident nor is it coincidence, Bill; this is The Constitution at work)

    BILL: We have been given victory over death…

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: WHAT B.S.! “We”? Who is “we”, h8ter? And you’re claiming some sort of “Victory over death”? SERIOUSY?

    *ROTFLMAO*

    Are you HIGH?!I hope all future proponents of H8 in a court of law, use your “vitriol-soaked reasoning”. Marriage equality would become the law of the land even faster than it already will be, post-2010 if the enemies of The Consitution come to the table with this dreck!

    Bring it on! You only shoot yourselves in the the foot.

    BILL: whereas the sinner, without repentance, has not.

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: whereas Bill, speaking for God is still…spewing irrational and irrelevant drivel, and little more.

    Such egotistical preening on the part of teh H8ters remains laughable at best (and irrelevant no matter what!)

    BILL: So my message as a H8tr to the community is this…

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: Don’t even bother, Bill; The animus driven “message” coming from such faceless and immoral h8ter, who claims to speak for God, is useless.

    As per usual.

    BILL: ”What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul”?

    ME AND THE REST OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE: “gaining the whole world”?
    “Losing souls”…? And all this nonsensical guesswork on behalf of God is supposed to MEAN something to the rest of us?

    Are you High, Mister Bill? Or merely just a crazed egomaniac?

    Indeed, you seem to have successfully made excellent arguments for either and/or both shortcomings.

    And to what avail?

    Such empty headed animus is no longer considered to be valid as any sort of basis for lawmaking.

    No rational individual would ever say “logic” such as Bill has presented above, could EVER be valid in any federal court of law, since it is clearly steeped in sexually elitist, ego-crazed nonsense.

    Try some facts next time, Bill, if you can scare up any facts. (and clearly, your side has no facts to support your animus…)

    Equality and Justice for ALL, (and not just sexual elitists with a bizarre grudge against strangers they will never know…)

    Bill, you only prove the sheer nonsense inherent in your failing arguments.

    Good luck with that!

    (lol)

  • Bill

    Thark,

    It is obvious that any presentation of truth to you is a futile effort. Your eloquent rebuttals only reveal the anger,arrogance that is so common from the homosexual community.It is a tactic to attack the messenger and fabricate fault according to your imagination. Your argument loses integrity,and only serves to reinforce what Christians and sinners know already, that the ultimate resolution of this cosmic battle is sinners without repentance will spend an eternity in hell.

    • THARK

      …so says Bill The Blasphemer who pretends to know what God thinks at all, but clearly doesn’t.

      NEXT!

      • Bill

        Thark,

        You fail to realize that what I am saying regarding sin is not my viewpoint,but is God’s. Evidence is very prolific in the Bible.One of its greatest messages regarding sin is “ALL have sinned and fallen short the Glory of God”. So continue your mocking, and I will continue to keep you in my prayers,but remember this it is not me you mock, but God.

        • THARK

          CORRECTION BILL:

          THIS HAS *ONLY* BEEN YOU, MOCKING YOURSELF AND CHERRY PICKING GOD’S INTENTIONS.

          That might impress your h8ter friends here on Earth, but God and we are laughing at the conviction you continue to use to back up your profound silliness.

          (But, laughter at the expense of Evil, is ONLY Good for The Soul!)

  • THARK

    watch as Thark cuts and pastes Bill’s latest nonsensical remark, instantly proving Bill’s egregious need to denigrate (in God’s Name, of all things!) exposing Bill’s vast, yet empty rhetoric and illustrating IN BILL’S OWN WORDS his/her/its unmitigated gall in pretending to be God and/or speak for God, as if God would ever *need* or approve of Bill’s bloodthirsty assistance.

    WITH BILL’S OWN WORDS we can point out each lie and each moment of blatant ego-driven hypocrisy as we all catch Bill relying on soley on H8 and animus to prove some worthless and wholly maufactured piousness, which in turn, merely serves to prove time and again, that The DarkSide’s tired adn irrelevant “fire & brimstone” ruse (in God’s Name of all things!) falls comletely apart the moment any discussion started to require honesty and factual presentations:

    Let’s begin:

    BILL: It is obvious that any presentation of truth to you is a futile effort.

    THARK: It is obvious that any presentation of truth to you is a futile effort.

    (see how easy this is going to be…?)

    ~~~~
    BILL: Your eloquent rebuttals only reveal the anger, arrogance that is so common from the homosexual community.

    THARK: and YOUR clumsy guesses about God’s will and God’s message of Love only reveals the sexual elitism and h8 mongering from the “Anti-Constitution, Anti-Liberty & Anti-Justice For All” community.

    As for that anger currently being experienced by people who suffer discrimination at the whims of idiotic bigots with a sick grudge? Seems a good time to ponder what The Scriptures say Jesus did in the markeetplace when confronted by the equivalent blasphemies of the Pharisees and The Sadduces?

    Jesus, on behalf of God, became enraged and made some very eloquent comments:

    Not against innoncent, law-abiding Gay people; (God and Jesus never mentions innocent Gay people) Jesus showed his anger at the messengers of hate and Blaspehemy. The ones who were more like Bill, here, in the certainly of their own perceived, but sadly misplaced sense of supremacy…

    which puts The TharkSide in far better company than Bill’s…

    Just saying.

    ~~~~
    BILL: It is a tactic to attack the messenger and fabricate fault according to your imagination.

    THARK: It is a tactic to attack the messenger and fabricate fault according to your imagination.

    [I know you are, but what am I...? Right Bill? *rolled eyes*)

    THARK [cont'd]: gay folks are not the ones editing nonsense onto Bibles and constitutions, willy-nilly, like Billy; The TharkSide only continues expanding on the FACT that Law-abiding Gay people – all of us- have always had the right to equality under the law.

    If that insults these messengers of Evil, like the proponents of H8? So be it; if you don’t want to be called a blaspheming bigot, don’t blaspheme, and don’t be a bigot. So simple!

    ~~~~
    BILL: Your argument loses integrity…

    THARK: While Bill’s argument never ever HAD any integrity from day one, son! Bill’s argument starts with lying about God hating anyone, goes on to God punishing people so the self-agrandizing, squeamishly sexual elitists feel “better” about their talk of hate and insinuating words into God’s mouth, “just because it makes you feel important*, and ends with prancing about obediently to the delight of your blaspheming clergy, bigoted families and friends.

    Bill, it is clear how your argument never even TRIED for integrity, it seems. (good luck with that!)

    ~~~~
    BILL: and only serves to reinforce what Christians and sinners know already, that the ultimate resolution of this cosmic battle is sinners without repentance will spend an eternity in hell.

    THARK: and in that last line of pure, panic-stricken bombast, Bill gets so carried away with invoking some private fire and brimstone party, that Bill, of course, neglected to make any viable sense.

    Which only proves how this alleged “cosmic battle” is hardly cosmic, when ALL of the H8, and bigotry and nonsensical “reasons” for supporting the insupportable, and defending the indefensible are but trifled flights of mean-spirited fantasy, going on ONLY in bowel-like minds of the H8-brigade. Whoop-tee-Twang. It’s meaningless.

    No, this “battle” rages only in the stunted imaginations of an ever-dwindling number of sexual elitists and anti-Gay bullies who are in the misdst of watching their political footballs being taken away, in favor of an honest discourse.

    Bill only helps the DarkSide prove once again (through the all-too-predictable vitriol and moronic, uninformed guesswork) that their side never really EVER had a clue; just visions of themselves playing God, using prejudice, bias and animus to twist God’s message into this hurtful “cosmic” fluffery, merely because gays make such miscreants “squeamish”.

    It MUST be the crack; because if we’re here to merely guess together about God’s opinion, history will prove that He has been laughing at you, with US, as he continues to work in mysterious ways in favor of Liberty and Justice for ALL His Creation.

    ~~~~
    IN FINAL SUMMATION, BILL…?

    So far, you have made no valid points. At all. Instead, you have offered only nonsensical images of your own stereotypes of Gays, God, and The Bible. NO facts, whatsoever.

    Good luck with that on Judgment Day if you believe in such things. By your own acount of your own accounts, you’re already toast, here, and in the Hereafter:

    *Bible editing,

    *circumventing The Law of The Land out of selfishness and arrogance,

    * and daring to speak of H8 and encouraging EvilDoing against innocent people?

    *and all of this,In God’s name!?

    *Could Bill REALLY be this high on the drug of all that alleged superiority, now rattling around inside this one’s vast and lonely skull?!
    ~~~~

    Again, all Bill’s words, thoroughly analyzed. If you disagree Bill, then the onus is on YOU to prove where my logic has strayed.

    I’ll bet you can’t do it.

    (I’ll even bet right now, that instead of offering anything even remotely factual as a result of this challenge on integrity, Bill will instead offer some convoluted interpretation that -once again-isn’t written anywhere, to be followed by some baseless and banal epithet.

    SUMMARY: it is revealed yet again, that H8, if anything, is a product of Man’s evil and NEVER God’s Word.

    (Something to think about, folks!)

    • Bill

      Thark,

      I respect your right to cut and paste,dissect my posts.I find encouragement in the fact that we have this opportunity for dialogue and the exchange of viewpoints. Thank you.

      • THARK

        ..and it looks like you’ve managed to tear yourself away from the usual temptation of ending up with the usual epithets and empty rhetoric when all else failed.

        *Good job*,
        (of course, you and I both know HOW it’s only a matter of time before some OTHER h8er to come on with the usual red-herrings (like Adam, Eve & Steve) just to have something un focused mean to say about Gay strangers in the absence of Godliness & Reason…typical stuff)

        …And bully for everyone on the restraint that my not-so-subtle admonishment above, suddenly managed to inspire in you, Bill!

    • Bill

      SUMMARY: it is revealed yet again, that H8, if anything, is a product of Man’s evil and NEVER God’s Word.

      Hate,my friend is an emotional response in the absence of love. Love is a divine gift that humanity is incapable of sharing without God.As for hate not being integral to God’s Word,perhaps you need a little more familiarity with God’s Word. “God HATES sin” If that is not inclusive in God’s Word, then please explain to me why God revealed it to mankind.

      • THARK

        BILL opines: “God HATES sin”

        If that is not inclusive in God’s Word, then please explain to me why God revealed it to mankind.

        ~~~~

        And what does God’s interpretation of sin ever have to do with you, or The Law. which says “Liberty & Justice for ALL” (which is clearly of divine origin)?

        Your invoking of the line “GOd Hates Sin” in order to back up your own tencencies toward blaspheming in His Name is dubious at best, especially when those alleged sins you are conjuring up only in your head, with no OTHER help from The Bible – HAVE ALREADY BEEN DIED FOR, according to The True Faithful, so even sins you think you see from others remains none of your concern, as God Sees it. There is One Judge, and that judge doesn’t need you butting in, claiming some “insider knowledge” that you clearly do not posess.

        “God hates sin” so Bill thinks it’s okay to edit the bible to create new reasons to hate…?

        Why did God revealed this Major Pet-Peeve? Because people who act in favor of their own power-hunger at the expense of innocent law-abiding people, piss Him off Big Time.

        If Jesus walked into this conversation today (and I think it is arguable that he indeed has, with the rash of anti-gay “laws” disintegrating back into the priimordial slime it oozed from)

        Who’s side do you think he’d be on? Which side would he be more likely to support, all things given?

        The blasphemers who twist God’s scriptures to placate earthly powergrabs…?

        Or The innocent and the persecuted, who have routinely suffered at the hands of said blasphemers who claim to know, but couldn’t possibly…?

        The onus, as I identified it before, rests squarely on the H8ters to prove their H8 has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with Godliness.

        The onus, is on The darkSide and ONLY the Darkside. All gay people are doing is finding out the US constitution can’t be edited to disenfranchise us and only us.

        That, is the abomination, and evidence of a test of GOd’s message of Love, that these phony christians are failing miserably.

        On purpose.

        And to what end…?

        • libertytrain

          Chris – not in Canada this week?

        • Bill

          Thark,

          Sorry, but I do not believe in the constitution. It is a document that was created to enslave us, denying the sovereignty of God as our only Ruler. God in being faithful in allowing us our free will, has left us to march on in our pathetic state of ignorant bliss.

          • THARK

            BILL: Sorry, but I do not believe in the constitution. It is a document that was created to enslave us,

            THARK: If you’re not here as an American citizen, in order to discuss The Laws of The Land, and justice and Eqaulity for All, then your input here becomes 100% meaningless, doesn’t it. No better than any other religious terrorist who would destroy the constitution and anything else that supports American values. REAL American values, not your Talibanesque made-up values.

            ~~~~
            BILL: denying the sovereignty of God as our only Ruler.

            THARKS: grasp at any straws lately, Bill? NO ONE is denying sovereignty of any one’s God; it is only the DarkSide’s irrational squeamishness that is being removed from legal discourse, and this, to everyones ultimate advantage. Patriot or not.

            ~~~~
            BILL: God in being faithful in allowing us our free will, has left us to march on in our pathetic state of ignorant bliss.

            THARK: and since you have only contempt for America and The constitution (like Al Qaida and The taliban) you are nevertheless “left to march on in your pathetic state of ignorant contempt…(with God in being faithful in allowing us our free will)

            Liberty and Justice for All…unless you really are -as you so freely admit above- simply some misinformed terrorist wannabe who prides himself in some meaningless contempt for America and the “Will of The People”?

            (BTW, THE ONLY true expression of This “Will of The people” is codified in that very Constitution that you wish to dismantle “In The Name Of God” (of all things)

            What’s next then, on the “christian” h8er agenda? Sharia Law?

            Suicidal Bible-beaters, Driving their church buses onto American school grounds to kill as many innocents as possible, and if you get any Gay kids, “well, all the better”…?

            Are you HIGH?!

            Which begs CA’s $85 million Flop 8 question:

            When does Bill’s consistent nonsense, offered up in God’s name, end?

            ANS: *Right Now*; we are watching it happen, and the Bullies are going postal. As always.

            In the meantime, God has been saying to gay folks worldwide: “2010 was only the beginning of the End of this world’s evil lie where H8 = God…2011 is going to be even MORE fun, My dear loving Children, so go out and love your neighbors as you love yourselves, build yourselves strong loving housholds, and be good to one another…that is why we are all here”

            Any further comments, Bill?

            I look forward to analyzing them, as will we all…
            It means that all this squeamishness you have felt the need to support and pander to thus far, is your problem and yours alone.

  • Bill

    Thark,

    A bit premature in your judgment,lumping me in with the terrorist, but that is to be expected from distorted ideology- I forgive you.I believe in the Constitution in the spirit it was originally conceived in, not in the divisive one today, that masquerades behind screams of inclusiveness, tolerance etc; which will ultimately destroy our Republic.

    • THARK

      …or so says the ever Squeamish Bill who says he doesn’t believe in the constitution, before he did believe in the constitution.

      Bill, your side keeps tripping itself up for a reason, or rather the lack of reason, just because you value your curious squeamishness over all else.

      Not a good sign.

      Good thing your ambivalence toward justice remains in hands of The Constitution as originally written; the oe you claim to prefer, but are willing to edit for odious purposes, too.

      That brand of hypocrisy keeps tripping you up, doesn’t it, so all you are left to say, is some manufactured drivel, a point that was made very clear many many posts ago.

      Identifying H8ers as “Terrorists” is hardly a stretch, when every single anti-gay “law’ every inflicted on Gays ans ONLY Gay were indeed conceived to eactly terrorize Gay people.

      If you don’t like the moniker, don’t be so dead set on earning it on a minute-by-minute basis.

      It’s your choice, Bill.

      God Bless, (and Good luck with that)

  • Bill

    Thark,

    Call me what you will. Demonize,vilify, and distort my responses. This tactical approach is the way homosexuality deceives the uninformed,sympathetic mind .The seven million voters in California that raised their collective voices and said NO to 8 are all terrorists eh? Don’t think so, and that was just a tip of the ice berg. Matter of fact while we are at it, anyone that desires to see first hand the consequences of allowing same sex marriage check out this website. http://www.massresistance.org/

    • THARK

      BILL: Call me what you will. Demonize,vilify, and distort my responses.

      THARK: read back through all your posts, and any reasonable person would instantly see how you demonize, vilify and distort your responsses all by your self. The folks on The DarkSide need no help.

      ~~~~
      BILL: This tactical approach is the way homosexuality deceives the uninformed,sympathetic mind

      THARK: whereas h8ter merely use lies,contorted Bible verses, and hateful “laws” aimed ONLY at Gay people, in order to terrorize and disenfranchise ONLY gay people. Talk about deception. And “In Teh Name of God” yet. Laughable at best.

      BILL: The seven million voters in California that raised their collective voices and said NO to 8 are all terrorists eh?

      THARK: Purposely terrorizing Gay people in person or at the Ballot box has already been proven to be animus-driven and has NOTHING to do with “protecting marriage” ane everything to do with denying gay people constitutional protections that everyone else, including str8 murderers in jail who wish to marry, and serial divorcees who marry and divorce with impunity. Yet, no amendments? That’s very telling.

      ~~~~
      BILL: Don’t think so, and that was just a tip of the ice berg. Matter of fact while we are at it, anyone that desires to see first hand the consequences of allowing same sex marriage CAN SKIP THE H8 PROPAGANDA and look at the facts.

      That, after all, is the ONLY course these illegal marriage bans will be taking from this moment on and the writing is on the wall.

      It is meaningless that 7 million votes were able to be rented NOv 4, 2008, by out-of-state “religious” meddlers trying to take the pressure off their own very egregious internal sex scandals.

      (Speaking of smoke screens)

      You’re never going to win any arguments so long as you can be cut, pasted and analyzed under the light of actual logical scrutiny.

      Your predictions concerning the end of the world as e know it (rolled eyes) are precisely thet same ones used when Slaves were freed, women got the vote, Blacks could vote, when Jim Crowe “laws” bit the dust, when Gay sexual relationships were recognized as natural and more healthy than faking some closet life, when DADT was first illegally implemented, up to now, that DADT has been gutted.

      You’ve got a giant (by happier) surprise in store when such claims of disaster due to eqaulity and justice for all, never materializes.

      It never, ever does, does it. Unless your a bigot who is used to having your squeamishness codified into law, “just because”.

      Adjust. Constitution says the tyranny of the majority is a non-starter, and if it does start, as it did with the illegal Flop 8, it will be finished, sooner than later, an american civil rights progess continues exactly as the writers had intended!

      Any comments, Bill…?

      • Bill

        Thark,

        The cut and paste analysis is the only approach that you can dignify. There is nothing more that I enjoy than having you respond back with your diatribe. Please continue to educate me.

        • THARK

          Your education, Bill, is irrelevant in this discussion and of particular irrelevance to me, I just like watching the wind blow out of the sails of these haters. There ought to be a law against impersonating a Christian. Then everyone would be working together, instead of singling out Gay people and ONLY gay people, for immoral majority bully-fests (which, incidentally, consistently coincide with wingnut politicians,suddenly chumming for votes in tight elections, and only within the last 14 years.

          I like to think others watching your massacre are getting some enjoyment out of seeing the sails of h8er assailed, is spreading a certain level of joy around, too.

          Look how easy it’s been to expose your curious web of disinenuous piety, and your astoundingly high opinion of your opinions. That too, goes to whatever means of education you’ve attained, but again, who cares. You’re merely faceless Bill whose opnions will prove to be of little future consequence.

          That’s what’s REALLY got your knickers in a knot, isn’t it. Your side is squeamish, AND NO ONE CARES ANYMORE.

          Gays of course, could never care all along, and like all americans, never HAD to…that is, until it was *political football time with Gay peoples’ lives* again, be it in government or church.

          Now, for the first time in history, The Constitution has finally overridden activist Judges who have delighted in saying Gay people weren’t valid citizens protected equally under the Law.

          They, like the Mr. Bills of the world, are exposed.

          HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ONE AND ALL (AND THIS TIME, IT WILL BE *MORE* ALL)!!!

  • Chris Cesareo

    This gay marriage issue is so easily solved…just get government out of the equation. The “Government Free Marriage” movement searches to do exactly that, get government out and bring in liberty, to which conservatives. liberals, gays and straights can all agree on. It is not the proper role of government to define relationships or marriage. Government free marriage now!

  • Chris Cesareo

    Prop 8 is a smokescreen. The real issue is whether government should be licensing marriage in the first place. Let’s solce this issue by getting government out of marriage…period. Support the government-free marriage movement now.

    • Bill

      Chris,

      How do you see it as a smokescreen?

      • THARK

        Flop 8 allowed wingnuts to pander to their irrational base, under the cynical guise of “protecting marriage”.

        Funny, flop 8 did just that too, didn’t it; in merely passing by that flimsy 2% that no longer exists, it confirmed 18000 marriages in CA, as well as ALL gay marriaged world wide that took place before Flop 8 started to stain the CA constitution.

        The ensuing discussing doubtlessly led to more states recognizing the rights of Gays to marry the partner of their choice, and more nations to do the same.

        It’so smokescreen that every capital city in N America recognizes equal rights for Gays and Lesbians, INCLUDING marriage.

        They ask God to help them protect marriage, and they GET IT (and clearly, so do innocent loving Gay couples, too!)

        Nationwide, It’s all over for marriage bans but the scene.

        History will bear this out.

        • Bill

          Another voice crying in the wilderness.

          • THARK

            So said the Lost person, crying in their self-imposed wilderness; but like a tree in that same wilderness, when it falls, and it’s opinion never mattered legally in the first place, then are those corcodile tears REALLY “crying”.

            Please expound, since you seem to be attuned to the weeping winderness…

            (rolled eyes)

            That didn’t MEAN anything! You know you’re on the wrong side of history and it’s leaving you speechless.

            so we get your “crying in the woods” cliche…?

            C’mon. We’re adults here.

  • Bill

    Thark,

    Your confidence in your self righteousness hopefully will not prove to be too much of a disappointment. Are you familiar with the verse”Pride comes before the great fall”? Our dialogue is getting rather stale,same viewpoints and very little common ground being made.So I will gracefully depart, but I will keep you in my prayers.And all of my participation involving you was done in the spirit of Christian love,in spite of what you may think. wish you the best, and hopefully see you in eternity.

    • THARK

      You may not know this, but listening to God, and telling the truth to the face of fake christians, is satifying. (The truth has no “common ground” with willful deception in honor of H8, so no suprise there!)

      Funny; thoughtful debates are only “stale” when you’re sure you’re losing.

      So who wouldn’t be “proud” to know one is clearly on the winning side of history AND God’s uneditorialized teachings of Love, fighting off and exposing those who would blaspheme, in the name of God, of all things.

      I notice the “graceful departure”, and of course, give you as much benefit of the doubt on your true motivation as you wish me to have, given the circumstances.

      I’d say “see you in the supreme court” but none of these 31 state bans will make it that far, given the precedences now being set, for good, federally speaking. They will die on their own, sooner than later, because none of them past muster with the US Constitution that has no language anywhere in it that supports animus-driven discrimination of any kind. DOMA will die with tehm on the same grounds.

      In fact, it’s quite inevitable, and what makes America GREAT.

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