Obama’s Secret Army And Why We Should Fear It

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“The people on the list might be me.” — Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.), speaking during his March 6 filibuster about the “kill list” maintained by the Administration of President Barack Obama

President Barack Obama has big plans to change the United States. Most frightening is that he can back up his Machiavellian plan with a personal army that targets any real or perceived enemies, even if it means killing American citizens without trial or arrest.

It is nothing new. Tyrants have employed personal armies for 2,000 years, beginning with Julius Caesar’s Praetorian Guard. Joseph Stalin wielded his Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD) and Adolph Hitler had the infamous Schutzstaffel (SS). Obama commands the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC).

While the President didn’t create this hybrid of the military and CIA, it operates under his command. JSOC is made up of the most elite soldiers in the world, and they follow Obama’s orders. The funding, which is in the billions of dollars, comes from taxpayers (the actual amount is classified); and there is zero Congressional oversight.

The commandos who make up JSOC were born from the ashes of Operation Eagle Claw, President Jimmy Carter’s failed rescue of American hostage held in Iran in 1980.

Headquartered at Pope Field and Fort Bragg in North Carolina, JSOC has already been woven into myth by the Obama Administration and popular media for the operations of one of its components: Navy SEAL Team 6, which killed Osama bin Laden.

The potential for even a good President to abuse force became apparent under the Ronald Reagan Administration, when JSOC was subsequently put on a tighter leash. But it was slipping under the radar even then. In 1993, one of JSOC’s most secretive missions was the disastrous raid against the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, which led to the deaths of 75 people, including 20 children and two pregnant women.

Nixon Had His Enemies List, Obama Has A ‘Hit List’

After 9/11, the neocons in the George W. Bush Administration decided America needed a sleek fighting force to combat enemy Islamic terrorists rather than the standardized armies that the Pentagon had established during the Cold War.

The military machinery of the past needed Congressional approval to wage war. As for the CIA, it, too, was constrained in 1975 when President Gerald Ford issued Executive Order 11905 banning the United States from undertaking “political assassinations.” Presidents who followed worked around this rule. After the Twin Towers fell, the Bush Administration followed through on the famous words of Vice President Dick Cheney: “If you want to fight the bad guys, you have to take the gloves off.”

For the most part, Cheney got his way, although he argues to this day that there was too much interference by Congress. Obama doesn’t make that claim and for good reason: He is free to execute his enemies, including American citizens, as he sees fit.

No doubt, the United States has a great deal of enemies; and those who are actively planning to murder and maim Americans need to be killed or captured. (If you have read my previous writings for Bob Livingston, you know I am no fan of Islam or Muslims who retain their religious roots while living in, and profiting from, the American way of life.)

But nothing gives Obama the right to be judge, jury and executioner against Americans he sees as his enemy.

By hook or by crook, the President has the perfect environment to press ahead with his tyranny. The Republican Party is so tied to its neoconservative ideals that Republicans actually complain that the President isn’t tough enough. At the same time, the Democratic Party, backed by the full weight of popular media, refuses to criticize anything Obama does. When it comes to murder, the President is beyond reproach (rather amazing when you consider Nixon was almost impeached for lying).

In his new book Dirty Wars: The World is a Battlefield, New York Times bestselling author Jeremy Scahill writes that Democrats would not tolerate such Presidential action from John McCain had he won the 2008 election. According to Scahill, Obama has been granted a blank check to vastly expand drone strikes while blatantly ignoring the Constitution by denying habeas corpus.

Before you dismiss my words as a right-wing rant, consider this warning from an influential Democrat. Michael Boyle, a professor at LaSalle University and former adviser to the Obama Campaign, wrote:

The creation of this “kill list” — as well as the dramatic escalation in drone strikes, which have now killed at least 2,400 people in Pakistan alone, since 2004 — represents a betrayal of President Obama’s promise to make counterterrorism policies consistent with the US constitution. …

[T]he president has routinized and normalized extrajudicial killing from the Oval Office, taking advantage of America’s temporary advantage in drone technology to wage a series of shadow wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Without the scrutiny of the legislature and the courts, and outside the public eye, Obama is authorizing murder on a weekly basis, with a discussion of the guilt or innocence of candidates for the “kill list” being resolved in secret on “Terror Tuesday” teleconferences with administration officials and intelligence officials.

Obama: Why Criminals Shouldn’t Have Guns

So how does the President get away with murder? As far as we know, he has authorized the execution of only two American citizens so far. (Apparently, the former Constitutional law professor believes arrests and trials are messy and time-consuming.)

Under Obama law, you don’t have to be innocent until proven guilty; you just need to be dead before being arrested. Such was the case for Anwar al-Awlaki, who was born in 1971 in New Mexico to parents who had recently emigrated from Yemen.

By all accounts, al-Awlaki seems to have grown up like a typical American boy. The last 10 years of his life are much disputed between radicals — both those in the Obama Administration who ordered his “hit” and the Muslims who denounced it.

What everyone agrees upon is that al-Awlaki became more and more radicalized because of what he considered a criminal occupation of Iraq by the United States. He seems to have been an opportunist with a magnetic personality and, for a time, he was a celebrity to his supporters (strangely enough that sounds like the President).

That al-Awlaki was mixed up with some bad characters or was a casual acquaintance with them is beyond dispute. (He was an imam to two of the 9/11 hijackers in San Diego, and he knew Army Maj. Nidal Hasan, who executed 13 people during the Fort Hood shootings in November 2009.)

But some in U.S. intelligence believe that al-Awlaki was more of a wannabe jihadist than a real threat.  Of course, we will never know because in 2011, while he was in Yemen, two Predator drones fired Hellfire missiles, killing him and three other suspected al-Qaida members.

Just weeks later, his 17-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was born in Denver, was killed by a drone along with nine others. According to Scahill, Obama was “upset” when he learned of the teenager’s death, which a former White House official called “a mistake.”

Oh well, these things happen.

Here is the rub: These things are not supposed to happen if you are an American citizen — not even for the elder al-Awlaki, who may have been inciting terror. When you stop denying one subset of Americans due process, you are on a slippery slope toward eliminating other Americans whom the President and his secret cabal classify as enemies. If you think I am making a huge leap in logic, consider what we learned last week: Obama’s Internal Revenue Service was targeting Tea Party groups before the 2012 election.

We should fear the blatant abuse of power by Obama and the unwillingness of Congress or anyone in the mainstream media to call him out on it.

It is possible that in the not too distant future we may find the President will find libertarians like us to also be the enemy. The Constitution protects us only if the President abides by it or if Congress and the people force him to abide by it. So far, Obama seems intent only on protecting his grand ambitions with nary an objection.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers

Personal Liberty

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Robert

    Ya just never know how far you can push a nation of dumbed down sheep?

  • hippybiker

    I find this article to be very chilling, because the monsters pulling the strings are beginning to tighten the noose.
    One thing I must disagree with…Obama was never a Constitutional professor. He was nothing more than a non tenured, part time, visiting lecturer at Chicago’s Circle Campus, and was held in contempt by most of the full time staff. Source, Chicago Sun-Times Newspaper.

    • Kevin M. Koop

      The really sad part is the gutless walking dead at the University of Chicago had nothing to say when he was running for President. I’d love to see every student there drop out in protest, but they’ve been brainwashed to believe the walking corpses called, professors and administrators who they are paying!

    • Ron r

      Must not be that big a secret if it’s being written about. Are you attempting to make big oil richer Mr. Myers.

      • John Myers

        Dear Ron,
        Please point to the word “oil” or “petroleum” in this column.
        By the way, big oil — which means the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia — is being served just fine by your “trusted” president.
        Sincerely,
        John Myers

        • Bob666

          Better than George W Bush??

      • WTS/JAY

        Ron r: Are you attempting to make big oil richer Mr. Myers.

        Too late, Obama has beat him to it!

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Are you? If you don’t think Obama bin Laden has big oil in his corner, you have had your head buried somewhere warm and moist for the last 5 years. Here is what the left and the 5th column wants for America.
        http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/13-population-puerto-rico-gets-food-stamps-us-gov-t-2-billion-2012
        Just more voters for the left and the 5th column. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.”
        Daniel Webster

        • LadyFloridaCracker

          Didn’t you mean Obama bin Lyin’???? :))))

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I say Obama bin Laden, sure he is lying also, because he claimed to be a Christian, but instead turned out to be the muslim pretender we know today. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “A patriot must be a religious man.”
            Thomas Jefferson
            3rd U. S. President
            Founding father
            Orthodox Christian

    • FreedomFighter

      In addition to the Special JSOC forces, DHS or “Department of Human Sacrifice” is in Obamas pocket. The elite forces cannot do it alone, they need bodies for the drudge work of logistics and frontal assault operations, elite troops are not wasted.Also you need to consider the “BLUE HELMETS” that are now training in and around the borders of the United States. We have Germans in Canada with tank divisions, Russian Spesnats out west, Red Chinese south and North of the southern border, etc etc etc, and they will be called in during Martial Law, approx. 200k of them.

      Stay prepped, it will happen real fast, scandal is killing his regime and other measures will be taken to maintain power for Obamma

      Laus DeoSemper FI

    • Stuart Shepherd

      The man (Obama) said there were 57 states during the first campaign. He is, by far, the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people. His identity is a fraud. He has changed his name, social security numbers, and was not born in the US. Everything out of his mouth is a lie and calculated. He is the total epitome of the “liberal” movement- completely illegitimate to america and its founding values in every way. God gives us our leaders and I think He is telling us something BIG TIME!!

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      If the local academia thought this man was a pretender, then how is it so many people follow him like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter? Here are some articles to contemplate.
      http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/348351/chaffetz-doesnt-rule-out-impeachment-says-hes-not-seeking-it
      http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/10817/how-many-scandals-will-it-take-to-oust-obama/#ixzz2TH6anWma
      There are more I could find and will list them on different postings. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves Obama bin Laden and Hitlery out.
      “”We recognize no sovereign but God, no King but Jesus.”
      John Adams
      2nd U. S. President
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

    • dfinch

      Most of what Obama did was give seminars on civil rights. Seminars that tenured professors didn’t want to get involved in.

  • Mad Mike

    AS to Obama’s private Army, Bring it! We are not as “dumb” as Obama thinks we are, and, we are arming, training, getting conceal-carry permits, and, there is the Militia of former and active Military!

    • Mike

      If I was Obama and read this post I would be shaking in my boots.NOT

      • hippybiker

        The answer to Obama and others like him is OUR Declaration of Independence which is still in full force, and is OURS to use as we see fit. This is the legacy of the men who founded this once great(could be again)Republic. They know it, too. Thats why they want to disarm us! Dummy up, Obot Trolls, or, should I call you what you really are…”Useful Idiots.”

        • Flashy

          Bet dollars to donuts you haven’t read the Declaration of independence and understood the entirety

          • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

            Post ignored due to lack of factual or intellectual content.

          • JeffH

            Falsy, bet dollars to donuts you’ll never admit to being one of thoese “usefull idiots” and don’t even understand why you have no credibility @ PLD for being a useless “paid” shill.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I bet you haven’t either. Here is an article that applies to this administration.
            http://www.reason.com/archives/2013/05/09/why-all-of-us-should-mistrust-the-govern
            Here is another article showing that domestic terrorists are teaching at some of our Universities.
            http://www.janmorganmedia.com/2013/05/at-least-a-dozen-domestic-terrorists-teaching-at-americas-universities-six-weather-underground/
            This is also part of the plan by the left and the 5th column to brainwash our young learners to believe in their traitorous ways of doing things. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves Flashy out.
            “We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion (Christianity)…Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
            John Adams
            The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.

          • Bob666

            Read it, Maybe.
            Understood it -probably not.

        • vicki

          The Declaration of Independance is a description of the reason we severed our ties with the British Empire. It is not a law or set of laws to be in any force.

          It does however list the reasons why the American Colonists chose to

          “dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
          http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

          Read thru the list and change He to the Administration or the Federal Government and see how many are valid again.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Well said Vicki. As I was reading my copy of the Declaration of Independence, I wondered which ones Obama bin Laden, along with his administration, have they violated. It turned out to be all of them. Here is something about the friend of the left and the 5th column, George Soros.
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/liberal-organization-with-ties-to-george-soros-got-documents-from-irs/
            What else is new? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “It is religion (Christianity) and morality alone which we can establish the principles upon which freedom can securly stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.”
            John Adams
            The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, to Zabdiel Adams on June 21, 1776.

        • Mike

          You and the big mouths like you would be the first ones to run

    • nubwaxer

      you know all the black and brown gangs are part of his well regulated militias don’t you? so taking the cities will be a cakewalk, and sorry suckers, you can keep your [comment has been edited] and east jeasus country areas and grow yourselves as much corn as you want. you’ll be begging us to buy it at any price once you’re cut off from all the ports.
      the real question is whether the armed forces will follow orders from the commander in chief or . . . who’s in commander of you wacko commandos? oh, right, field marshall ted nugent and his draft dodging old guys.

      • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

        Post ignored for lack of factual or intellectual content.

        • WTS/JAY

          It seems poor old marvin fried his brains on “crack”…poor fellow.

      • Charlie

        marvin,,,
        No such thing as a cakewalk on the streets of the big towns I live about 30 miles from ,,,better have a good running car with drive by windows and a good pusher bumper… As for “Forces”,, I think they will be a split that will keep them quit…
        Wacko commandos don’t have the discipline to “Pray” before needed… So? what’s your next fear We can help you with marvin? … King Jesus Christ is The American Militia Commander… What Militia are you in ? Meanwhile……………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…
        Charlie Freedom

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Way too much kool aid on a daily basis. Don’t sound like a patriotic American to me. The race card has been played. Must be a libturd or progturd. Here is an interesting article about Obama bin laden and impeachment.
        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/bombshell-senator-jim-inhofe-unveils-impeachment-strategy-for-obama/#ixzz2BelSPpz
        Here is what Obama bin Laden is doing with the states. The people are so fed up with this pretender, that there is a sense of rebellion (legal kind) in the air. Obama bin Laden doesn’t have the resources to take on miliions of angry Americans.
        http://www.factsnotfantasy.blogspot.kr/2013/05/obama-breeds-rebellion-among-states.html
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves Marvin out.
        “The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shall not covet,’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal,’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made invioble precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free.”
        John Adams
        The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1851), Vol. VI, p. 9.

    • stanli

      the remark conceal-carry permit makes me laugh, who do you thing issues these permits??Just another way of tracking folks that do not believe as the great master (ironic isn’t it “Master” slaves black) the more PERMITS or certificates you possess the easier you are to find….duh

  • Dirty Daug

    As it looks now we are about as free as we will ever be in the future. We will continue to loose our freedoms no matter who is in charge. Obama is just a puppet taking his orders from someone higher up. The new World Order comes to mind. Can we trust whoever replaces Obama and the answer is no as this person’s background would be highly secret. The person who replaces Obama may seem to be most honest person ever until after he or she is elected. Then this person may go 180 degrees from what this person was before being elected. This is the way Obama went and he is doing most anything he want to do without any fear of being impeached by our dumbed down Congress.

    • Don 2

      You insinuate Obama changed 180 degrees after being elected. Not true. He repeatedly told everyone who he was, and exactly what he was going to do…..fundamentally change America. Remember? Did you not pay attention? If you had been listening to Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck, you would not have been fooled by Obama.

      • Dirty Daug

        I did not vote for Obama, but Obama turned out worst that I ever thought he would be. I should have known something was not right with Obama as he has hid all of his records and the ones he does provide are frauds

        • Randy G

          Yes, when he said ’57 states’ I said the was the 57th WORST prez & he is only #44 which means the next 12 to 13 can be bad & o is still the worst.

        • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

          Sorry for your ignorance.

    • buck

      Our congress is a bunch of bribed talking heads, just like the big O.
      Political Science 101, 102, 103, 104, Masters Degree, Doctorate

      “Tell em what they wanna hear, then when in do as you please”

      The political elite have learned this quite well over the past 30+ years and have conditioned the voters accordingly.
      The voters are swayed by the Serpent’s talking, and scared of the one’s who tell it like it is…

    • Robert Chambers

      Iceland got rid of the controllers in their country so why can’t we. The NWO consists of big bankers and the federal reserve which is a private bank. Get rid of the federal reserve and put some of the heads of the banks on trial for their crimes. Iceland did it a few years ago and now their economy is a lot better

      • dfinch

        The Federal Reserve isn’t actually a bank. It’s a pass through facility for foreign funds coming into or going out of the US. The only customers the Fed has is other banks.

  • WTS/JAY

    Obama is no different from any other past-president in regards to murdering his opponents/enemies. They’ve all done it. The worst “murderer” of the bunch was “Clinton”, who’s body count exceeded 200! I suspect the nobel-prize winner, Obama, has surpassed Clinton’s record by now…it seems Democrats are not as peace-loving as they would have us believe…?

    • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

      How many people did G.W. and G.H.W., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon murder for starters?

      • shamu9

        I hope to God they were all Dem/Commie Operatives. Less for us to Deal With Now!

    • Deerinwater

      It comes with the Job ~ Jay. ~ President’s make decisions ~ unpleasant ones. I guess Harry Truman should fit in there somewhere?

  • WTS/JAY
    • NC

      WTS, how old does that “Clinton suspicious death list” have to be before it becomes folklore?? I first saw a list of “Clinton Deaths ” at least 15 years ago and to date not nary a formal charge much less a conviction. Just saw polls of Slick Willy’s popularity around the world! Highest OF ALL living US President and probably among all living politicians! Those “death lists’ are killing his reputation!!

      THIS BACKWOODS BAR-B-QUE OF ANTHING NOT FEAR LADEN CONSERVATIVE IS A REAL HOOT! THE FEAR, ANGER AND HATERED HERE ARE WORRISOME BUT THE TUNNEL VISION OF THE ‘WRITERS” IS DOWNRIGHT FRIGHTENING. AND SOME ADULTS BELIEVE IT! LETS ALL HOPE IT NEVER EXCEEDS 2% AT THE POLLS!!!

      • WTS/JAY

        It is no secret that clinton was/is a “murdering-maniac”, NC. It seems to be part and parcel of the presidency. Heck, they’ve all done it, including the “maniac” currently in office. I know, it must have been one hell of a shock for you, to finally grow-up, only to discover that the “world” isn’t anything like portrayed on Sesame-Street…?

        • NC

          WTS, would you care to tell us how you KNOW of the murders yet no prosecutor has ever reached the level of “sufficient” evidenced to seek an indictment?? Don’t tell me you are guessing!!!! The burden of all knowledge must be very distressing when people were killed any you KNOW WHO DID IT but are powerless to move!!! YEAH, RIGHT!

          YOU KNOW YOU ARE SITTING ON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF SUPER MARKET YELLOW JOURNALISM “INFORMATION;????????????????????? A/K/A “THE MARTIANS ARE COMING”!!!!!

          • WTS/JAY

            NC: WTS, would you care to tell us how you KNOW of the murders yet no prosecutor has ever reached the level of “sufficient” evidenced to seek an indictment??

            Don’t be such a dumb-bell, NC. No prosecution will be forthcoming for President’s past indiscretions. When there is talk of such, even to the point of a courtroom charade, no penalties have ever or will ever be administered. Case in point; Clinton, Bush and Obama. Btw, the Benghazi hearing will yield nada, as our entire political and judicial systems are woefully corrupt!

            NC: Don’t tell me you are guessing!!!! The burden of all knowledge must be very distressing when people were killed any you KNOW WHO DID IT but are powerless to move!!!

            Don’t be such an idiot, NC. To suggest that no wrongdoings have ever taken place is to admit that you are either ignorant or a liar!

            NC: YEAH, RIGHT!YOU KNOW YOU ARE SITTING ON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF SUPER MARKET YELLOW JOURNALISM “INFORMATION;????????????????????? A/K/A “THE MARTIANS ARE COMING”!!!!!

            The martians are coming? And here i thought only Conservatives were of the tin-foil-hat category.

        • NC

          wts, you allege sensational crimes against famous people that you cannot and have never proved and you say I need to grow up??? Surely you jest???

          • WTS/JAY

            So they are all innocent of any wrong doing, including Bush? Surely you jest?

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Way too much kool aid, eh no cajones? Here is an article dealing with impeaching the pretender and possibly afterwards.
        http://www.politichicks.tv/column/impeach-the-president-then-what/
        Let’s hope someone actually puts some teeth into this one and actually follows through with it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves NC out.
        “The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code; it contained many statutes…of universal application – laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws.”
        John Quincy Adams
        Letters of John Quincy Adams, to His Son, on the Bible and Its Teachings (Auburn: James M. Alden, 1850), p. 61.

  • Flashy

    if PLD is going to climb out of the gutter and ranks of the Weekly World news (and its weekly coverage of Batboy, space aliens, Bigfoot, and two headed hydras rising from the depths of the sea), this trend towards farcical statements of ‘fact” articles is not the answer.

    It’s as if PLD is determined to isolate the extremist fringe and ensure it’s ineffectiveness as it is pushed to the sidelines of political discourse. Just when one thinks there can be no higher level of wackier, loonier, absolute crock of BS that can be written and taken by anyone as being written in serious earnest…the writers don’t let that stand in their way.

    Contradict past articles? No problem…the troops of the extremist don’t think..they’ll jump on the bandwagon and dismiss the past stances. Robots unite!

    Imagine secret armies? Why not! They’ll believe and stand in support of anything as long as it is anti Obama or anti America.

    Need a ‘rally round the flag” article to separate money from the pockets of the shrinking legions? Write a “we versus them” calling…and tell the base crazies that they, the less than 20%, are the “true” Americans and the remainder 80% of American citizens are the danger. Oh. and by the way, send a check and buy my book.

    And here’s the best part …

    Anti health care, anti social programs, anti taxes, anti political party, anti union, Obama is not an American, the US is exposed to being controlled by internationalists … and most of the PLD authors choosing to live in Canada

    • vicki

      argument to ridicule

      • WTS/JAY

        Flashy is the “all-seeing-eye” of the Democratic’s back-side…if you get my drift.

        • JeffH

          No poster has been used and abused more than Falsy yet his paycheck demands that he take the abuse and then some…obviously he gladly does.

          The term “usefull idiot” comes to mind. Unthinking proponents of socialism and/or communism.
          You can usually find them swarming the internet, participating in riots to promote tolerance, attempting to think up questions for themselves to answer, or sitting in Starbucks with their friends discussing the failings of capitalism while trolling conservative/libertarian websites with the sole purpose of disrupting them…some are paid for their efforts and some aren’t smart enough to seek payment for theirs.

          • WTS/JAY

            Falsy sure can take the abuse, that’s for sure. But no matter, the money he makes as a paid shill will be well spent on his “crack-habit”. The “crack” will no doubt dull the pain and his senses, at least for a little while anyways…and as is his custom, will be back for more when the stash runs out.

          • JeffH

            Jay, I’m curious as to the whereabouts of DaveH. Any idea?
            I know he’s not a quitter…I’m just hoping he’s in good health

          • WTS/JAY

            I have been wondering the same thing, JeffH. Unfortunately, i can only speculate…? I really do hope all is well with DaveH, and who knows; we may see him again, hopefully soon!

          • JeffH

            I certainly hope so. From my first days here DaveH has been somewhat of a mentor to me on this website. Like a few others, you included, I have great respect for. Too many to name.

    • Frank Kahn

      Or, we might simply follow the insane babbling of Flashy, who pulls statistics out of his back side and claims that our country is 80% insane liberals, and only 20% of us are rational thinking people.

      Do you need another list, showing you the facts? Do you need me to, once again, explain how your hyperbole is wrong? Do I need to point out that it is the extreme fringe of the sides, that you are trying to use as argument against our positions. Should it be pointed out that you are such a fringe member of the liberals?

      ANTI HEALTH CARE – never been expressed by any conservative

      ANTI SOCIAL PROGRAMS – not what is meant by excessive entitlement usage.

      ANTI TAXES – there is a major difference between objection to how taxes are assessed or used and being totally against all taxes

      ANTI POLITICAL PARTY – The party is not a significant consideration here, it is the social views and policies that are objected to

      ANTI UNION – Well you got me here, since unions are a major cause of many of the economic problems, you might say we are against them. However, in reality, we are against their policies, which are causing extreme hardship for millions of Americans.

      Obama has an American mother so he is an American. That does not say he is a natural born citizen, and qualified to be President. Nor does it stop him from being un-American.

    • Native Blood

      Huh? You really babble like a 8 year old female who just got her cat taken from her. Please, your nattering and drizzling takes away from the seriousness in this article. PLD remains different because it keeps an honest perspective and chooses not to hold back on criticisms of either side of these important issues. PLD has been just as critical of W or any other NEOCON past and present. Look, keep the tampons changed regularly and lay off the excess lithium.

  • dan

    did you ever think you’d miss Nixon and his ‘Enemies’ list ?
    Remember all of the cartoons with him wearing a Napoleonic hat ?

    how about when Homosexuality was frowned on as being a failure of

    character ….a compromise of morals which called into question ALL
    of one’s public discourse?
    Politics has always been course…just not this utterly corrupt.

  • KG

    What Mr, Meyers is actually alluding too is the fact that when “liberals” get elected, they tend to do what they actually say they are going to do. Our president, Mr. Obama, said he would prosecute the terrorists. And guess what? He did! He even had the nerve to take out Raygun’s old nemesis (And I know, old Gip is turning in his grave over that one).
    That’s what scares “patriots” the most. They have been wanting to ban Abortions for the last 40 years and have failed (mostly because the idiots they keep trying to elect to end it have no intention of getting rid of their best issue). But now, with the majority of the American people behind him, the President may still get something he wants. And that is what scares Mr, Meyers.

    • rendarsmith

      So Obama said he was going to ignore requests for increased security and let our ambassadors die. Obama said he was going to sieve phone records and have the IRS target conservative groups. Good to know. What does that say about liberals that vote for someone who says they are going to do those things?

      • KG

        Do you really think that Bush & co, wasn’t doing the same thing? What did W say about OBL when we were supposed to not know where he was? Well, it’s like what Ashcroft said “…the good have nothing to fear.”

        • Not Suprised@all

          My Gawd Magnum! He is still blaming Bush!

          • Deerinwater

            Just to even mention the name of our 43rd president is viewed as an attack!

            What a predisposed attitude we have! ~ I guess ‘W” never existed? ~ Left wing fodder! made up ! contrived !

          • Deerinwater

            Can’t blame them I suppose! ~ If we could get that protracted 7 trillion spent on two unfunded wars ~ and the life of 9000 collation forces back ~ I’d sure feel better about the whole thing myself.

            i’m not attempting to discredit Bush for he was very popular and supported by the Right Wing Christian Collation and 100% of the GOP. ~ “W” was encouraged into action by a greatly angered public and poor council which lead to a debacle . ~ While I too am so tired of even talking about it. But removing him from the time line of events does not serve us well.

            He was still my President while I did not support everything that he did. The same goes for Obama. If Obama had dissolved the Affirmative Acton Act. ~ I believe the political landscape would be much more friendly today.

        • Seanoamericano

          The good have nothing to fear? Who decides that? In actuality the good has everything to fear since they believe in freedom liberty, and oppose what his name and his socialist pukes.

          • KG

            Mark 10

            King James Version (KJV)

            17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

            18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

            19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

            20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

            21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

            22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

            23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

      • Deerinwater

        I pay my taxes ! ~ so why not?

    • Deerinwater

      Well KG ~ points well taken. ~ 44 is still on track ~ with many of the US ambitions set by prior administrations. ~ while it seems that the support for these ambitions by those that championed them now seems to wane.

      They have forgotten about Pan Am Flight 103, also commonly referred to as the Lockerbie bombing, was the bombing of a Pan Am transatlantic flight from London’sHeathrow Airport to New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport on Wednesday, 21 December 1988. A Boeing 747–121, named Clipper Maid of the Seas, was destroyed by an explosive device killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members.[2] Large sections of the plane crashed intoLockerbie, Scotland, killing an additional 11 people on the ground.

      Needless to say this article of Mr. Meyers is an attack on 44 and his administration as he administers to the ugly business of “War”, while that is what any sitting President must do ~ everyday. Who lives and who dies and who is found compromised and stand in harms way this morning is just one of the matters any sitting President must address daily as our national interest and sovereignty is coming under constant attack in one form or another both here at home and in far away places.

      Mr. Meyer is reaching out to tap the fear factor ~ to rally support for opposition while he offers no options. That seem to be a huge problem the Opposition has today ~ Frozen in place, unable to make a decision other than just “OPPOSE” any and everything!

      Even Reagan’s administration had this same problem with matters of war.~ The 1983 Beirut bombing that killed some 299 Americans and some 50 French men ~ when un-addressed by an American administration frozen in it tracks, leaving the French to extract justice own their own without help or support from American military. ~ That stings ! ~ We don’t like to hear about unflattering truths ~ and that is one.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing.

      It seems as if 44 is being accused if doing to little one day and too much the next!

      You people need to get yourselves together ~ (f you can) ~ and offer us some consistency, as apposed to being consistently inconsistent if you hope for some serious consideration by people that have a average memory and cognizant thinking skills.

      • Frank Kahn

        I remember those things of which you speak. I fail to see the significance in reference to the actions of Obama. I mildly applaud the fact that you refrained from saying “well Bush did it too”, but then you did site an example of “well Reagan did it too”, so not much different than all the other ignorant ranting of liberals. We, those people who are capable of reasoning, unlike you, oppose everything that Obama does that are wrong. We don’t give a shiite if someone else did the same thing.

        Obama does too little in the area of good, and too much in the area of bad. This is not a contradiction of views. He does too little to really help business and job creation. He does to much in forwarding his personal agenda for his personal gains.

        It is alot like you, you do too much butt kissing of the Liberal Obama administration, and not enough looking at the true facts surrounding the actions they take.

        If you, once again, try to state that we don’t give specifics, I will gladly give you a long list of facts that support the accusations against Obama.

        • JeffH

          Frank, I applaud you for your direct honesty and assessments and also for your continually “well said” comments. You are definitely an asset to this website and these threads.

          • Deerinwater

            That’s Frank ~ he’s a constant you can depend on.

    • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

      Post ignored due to lack of factual or intellectual content.

    • stanli

      re: abortions. some of you fine men making decisions on a woman’s right to choose, if you want the little monsters, you give birth. Until you can keep your da.n mouths shut

      • vicki

        And what of the child that you call a little monster? Does he or she not get the right to choose in your worldview?

    • WTS/JAY

      KG: What Mr, Meyers is actually alluding too is the fact that when “liberals” get elected, they tend to do what they actually say they are going to do.

      Liberals? Liberals didn’t get elected, KG…progressive, red-diaper-babies got elected.

      KG: Our president, Mr. Obama, said he would prosecute the terrorists. And guess what? He did! He even had the nerve to take out Raygun’s old nemesis (And I know, old Gip is turning in his grave over that one).

      Obama didn’t kill any terrorists, KG. Why would Obama kill his brothers? The only people Obama killed are people who didn’t and don’t agree with him.

      KG: That’s what scares “patriots” the most.

      Patriots are not the least bit scared, KG. The only one who’s scared is Obama, and for good reasons.

      KG: They have been wanting to ban Abortions for the last 40 years and have failed (mostly because the idiots they keep trying to elect to end it have no intention of getting rid of their best issue).

      Abortion? You mean “murder” don’t you?

      KG: But now, with the majority of the American people behind him, the President may still get something he wants.

      Nonsense! The majority of Americans do not support Obama. The majority of Americans support the idea of a “free-lunch”!

      KG: And that is what scares Mr, Meyers.

      It should scare you to…but a “free-lunch” is so hard to resist, right KG?

  • Doc Sarvis

    It seems the easiest thing to get a Conservative to do is fear.

    • Flashy

      LOL…how true …

      • Ron

        I have a great place for the both of you to go!

    • Frank Kahn

      And the easiest thing, to get a liberal to do, is ignore the truth.

      • WTS/JAY

        I was under the impression that easiest thing to get a liberal to do, is to lead them into “phallus-worship”…could that be the reason why they hate women so much?

        • JeffH

          Active participants in the Tijuana donkey shows?

          • WTS/JAY

            Oh oh, now you got KG all excited…hee haw hee haw!

  • Tough Guy 1

    Obama the Obtuse!

  • hungry4food

    With the Culture of Corruption running rampant within the Obama Administration the very security force that Obama has assembled could be the terrorists that will create the chaos that takes down the Economy and Civility !!!!!

    We are in Perilous Times ,

    Terrorist super-axis to strike within U.S.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/terrorist-coalition-to-strike-within-u-s/

  • hungry4food

    The Culture of Corruption within the Obama Administration is Described by this , AGAIN PEOPLE WE ARE IN PERILOUS TIMES AS IDEOLOGY AND POWER ARE COLLIDING WITHIN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND ITS EXPLODING !!!!!!!!!!!

    IMPORTANT – Lieutenant Colonel Potter 4-17-13

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oClnGNbKRxg

  • hungry4food

    3 SCANDALS THAT USURP CITIZEN RIGHTS , THE AP PHONE RECORDS , THE IRS , AND COVERING UP BENGHAZI ARE REASONS WHY BIG GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • hungry4food

    Look at Senator Feinstein’s Face in the Video , OH you can see the FLOOD of Change thats COMING NOW !!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DRqiOpyJ77o

  • DavidL

    Another self-serving Republican extremist red herring. Want to know about secret armies and how close we came to a real military take over of our country without the knowledge and the consent of Congress? Research Iran/Contra given to us by “Conservatives”.

    Hey ultra-conservatives, who about helping our country instead of tearing it down because you’re angry about being wrong on the issues and flush with “sour grapes” from losing election after election?

    • hungry4food

      John Boehner said , ” WHO Is GOING TO JAIL !!!!!!

      GO Boehner !!!!!!!!!!

      • Arkham

        Boehner – supercilious, self righteous, pompous ass.

        How can you tell he is lying?

        Words come out of his mouth.

        • WTS/JAY

          Both parties accuse the other of treasonous-behaviour. What better confirmation could one hope for that proves both parties are treasonous?

          • Native Blood

            Find the one that sacrifices the freedoms of our country so that Israel will feel safer sealing Arab interest.

          • JeffH

            LMAO! :)

    • hungry4food

      HEY David this is not about the election fool its about the Civil Rights , Its about the LAW that defends you fool regardless of your Views and Beliefs !!!!! !!!!!!!

      • Deerinwater

        Don’t be so naive , ~ it about whatever you “think” it’s about!

        Mr. Meyer’s article has touched on some matters of law ~ this is true. ~ But unless Mr. Meyer motives for this article are rooted in some sort of pacifist , anti-military, anti-gun, and rule of law as we, as a nation go about the nasty business of warring ~ with factions that seemed hell bent to Kill American, where they old men , women or babies ~ they only need to be Americans.

        Not for one minute do I believe such things of John Meyer, leaving his “motives to write such an article to be found somewhere else”!

        So this article is about who has been elected and the attempt is being made to sway public opinion and paving the way for future election cycles by using the back drop of the dogs of war while attempting to apply civil rights law to criminal activity.

        It seems that Mr. Meyer’s magic has worked well on you and I’m quit certain that you are not alone. ~

        I find myself so grateful for the one person, one vote system our founding father’s were wise enough to put in place to build a free nation of men and women.

        • vicki

          Our system is not based on one person one vote. It is based on Constitutionally LIMITED (and therefor small) Republican form of government. Our founders explicitly denied the concept of Democracy even so far as to make changing things in the Constitution take 3/4 majority of the States.

          This video explains very well the concepts that the founders used to build this once free nation.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

          It is only about 10 min long and well worth the time.

      • Flashy

        What about it there hungry?

        Let’s see..the IRS is being racked and broken on the wheel by everyone, including this President. it is a relatively minor issue and the IRS is being slapped back . Best thing? It is being slapped back before it did any real harm. Holding up non-profit status for awhile is not a huge issue. if i were a non-profit right now? I’d be mighty worried…you can bet the IRS is going to look at each and every one to see if they stayed out of politics and kept to the non profit limitations. left and right oriented NPs.

        AP issue. Legal what justice did. But again, relatively minor and enough to put into place stricter guidelines. Don’t forget, the GOP rabid right was calling for just this type of investigation when the agent was outed in the leak.

        benghazi? Much about nothing. however, it’s going to get reallll interesting now that it has come out the GOP rabid right altered emails given to them a few months ago before releasing them to the press recently. LOL …

        • momo

          I see flashnuts is doing his usual job o9f being the administration apologist.

          The IRS scandal is a “minor issue”? Let’s see, the IRS is screwing with the president’s political enemies while giving his allies a pass. Even the Obama cheerleaders on MSNBC are crying foul.

          AP scandal “relatively minor”? That’s funny, Carl Bernstein, you remember flasho, the guy that helped break Watergate, calls it a “nuclear issue”. Obviously you didn’t get the memo. Hell the DOJ isn’t even following its own directives on these type of investigations.

          Benghazi, “much about nothing”? Yeah , Carney is lucky to make it out of the briefing room alive after lying to his friends in the media. Supposedly only a “stylistic change” was made, then we find out there were twelve re-writes of the talking points.

          I wonder if Bush was pulling this if flasho would be so quick to defend? I think not.

        • WTS/JAY

          Flashy, you’re pants are on fire!

          • Alondra

            He is without pents for long already.

  • Chester

    One little problem with calling al-Awlaki a citizen. It seems that he had, if not actually taken up arms against the US, at the very least, worked to support those who had. That, in and of itself is an act of treason, and an act voiding even born in America citizenship. Actually, he was lucky to have died by missile strike, as an Army capture and attempt to return him to the States would no doubt have been a very painful experience, if he survived to make the trip.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Chester Payne,

      You write: “It seems that he had, if not actually taken up arms against the US, at the very least, worked to support those who had.” And you know this how?

      You write: “That, in and of itself is an act of treason, and an act voiding even born in America citizenship.” Article III, Section 3: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.” Where are the witnesses? Where is the confession? You are very cavalier about the Constitution, aren’t you?

      You write: “Actually, he was lucky to have died by missile strike, as an Army capture and attempt to return him to the States would no doubt have been a very painful experience, if he survived to make the trip.” See Amendments VI and VIII.

      You write: “One little problem with calling al-Awlaki a citizen.” He was still a citizen and should be afforded all the rights guaranteed him under the Constitution. Once the government is granted carte blanche to determine who is a citizen or who is not and therefore can determine who has rights and who does not, it has crossed the line to full-blown tyranny.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston….just out of curiosity…I never saw a post by you admonishing those who criticized giving the Boston bombing suspect his Miranda Rights. Nor recall reading anything from you concerning closing Gitmo and giving civilian trials. Please direct me to those statements of yours made in the past. Thanks

        BTW…i do have concerns about sending in the drones against US citizens overseas…i think they should be given warning. “Turn yourself in for trial…or we’re coming after you and bringing you in…dead or alive.” Fair warning to allow someone to be able to deny charges and have a trial.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “just out of curiosity…I never saw a post by you admonishing those who criticized giving the Boston bombing suspect his Miranda Rights. Nor recall reading anything from you concerning closing Gitmo and giving civilian trials.” If for a moment I believed you were interested in a reasonable discussion of rights afforded under the Constitution I would happily engage you. However, history and your daily ad hominems and baseless slurs and Taliban references directed at PL authors, readers and the millions of hardworking American veterans, business owners, blue and white collar workers and moms and dads who have been advocating for liberty and against an oppressive government under the Tea Party banner demonstrate otherwise. I certainly hope your Obama campaign handlers are giving you hazardous duty pay. The daily exposure to the truth you get here as you come to spout your progressive nonsense Obama talking points seems to have you coming unhinged.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • WTS/JAY

            You are clearly dealing with a sociopath in Flashy, Mr. Livingston. Very wise of you to refuse him a discussion wherein truth and logic would be employed, as that would send Flashy the sociopath right over the edge!

          • JeffH

            C’mon Jay, you know Falsy has no conscience at all.

            What Bob said in his comment to Falsy covers a handful of other liberal/progressive disruptor’s. When the facts are laid out and they’re put on the spot their next comments start by attacking the webite and it’s authors, attempting to put words in your mouth, making unfounded assumptions about protecting the children and trying to say you’re a Repubican.

            My God it does get old though.

          • WTS/JAY

            You’re preaching to choir, JeffH. I’m well familiar with the debating-tactics of the left-wing Taliban!

          • JeffH

            My sarcasm of course.

          • WTS/JAY

            Of course! (-:

      • RAND IN 2016

        The evidence against Awlaki as an enemy combatant against the US was overwhelming & I have no problem taking him out the way we did. But, there’s needs to be a protocol for doing this, like getting a warrant to search a house, etc..Let it be out in the open! These types of drone strikes should be surgical & very rare as Bush did only 43 in 8 years. They should be used to rake clandestine hideouts & not public markets, as Obummer is doing, because he changed the defintion of enemy combatant to any adult male who is in the area, without any prrof they are terrorrists. Obummer is using them like a machine gun (over 500 in kess than 5 years), probably killing many innocents & the repulsive “Double Tap” sending in another drone a few minutes after first when the rescue workers are trying to save lives. DO NOT BELIEVE for a second that thousands of innocents have not been killed. THESES ARE WAR CRIMES, PLAIN & SIMPLE!

        • vicki

          If the evidence is overwhelming then bring him in and let him face a jury as required by the Supreme LAW of this land.

          This short (~10 min) video explains why our Constitution demands things like Jury trials over star chambers and lynch mobs.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

          start at ~6:00 if you don’t have time to watch the whole clip

          • RAND PAUL IN 2016

            There’s no need to bring him in, just lay out the evidence that he is a traitor in a time of war & have a judge or panel sign off on his execution…or not!

            BTW, This is one point where Rand & I disagree.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear RAND PAUL IN 2016,

            You write: “BTW, This is one point where Rand & I disagree.” And you and the Constitution disagree as well. It’s a dangerous slope you’re advocating for.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Rand Paul in 2016

            Dear BL,

            I realize that, but there are times where there is such an egregious treason against the Republic in times of war, where a provision like this makes sense. It would be very rare, methinks. Awlaki was clealry & deeply involved in inspiring & training people to kill Americans. The evidence was clearly in plain sight & convincing. Call it a “Star Chamber” as Vicki says or whatever, but sometimes it is needed.

          • vicki

            The designers of the star chamber thought so too. Of course they were easily corrupted by the power.

            “The court was set up to ensure the fair enforcement of laws against prominent people, those so powerful that ordinary courts could never convict them of their crimes. Court sessions were held in secret, with no indictments, and no witnesses. Evidence was presented in writing.

            Over time it evolved into a political weapon, a symbol of the misuse and abuse of power by the English monarchy and courts.”
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Chamber

          • vicki

            So you are saying you approve of star chambers? Sad really.

          • RAND PAUL IN 2106

            I respect your opinion & understand it, too. But, people are convicted in absentia all the time & in times of war, there is no time to go hunt down guys like Awlaki & drag them back for trial. Anyone like Awlaki, who openly joins those who have declared war on innocent Americans, & death & destruction to the nation as a whole should be treated specially!

          • vicki

            In time of war just as in time of peace you shoot to defend. Anything else is just petty tyranny.

          • Rand Paul in 2016

            Yeah & Awlaki was killed to defend the nation, or who knows how much more American blood he would’ve shed!!! I don’t care where he was born, he had become an enemy combatant in a war against the Republic. It’s no different if an American man went to Germany during WWII & joined their army & was killed on the battlefield.

          • vicki

            Missing element. Battle.

          • Charlie

            To prove your points you should ask ,,,is America conducting itself under The Constitution ? Is America conducting itself under The Bible ? What’s left? “Martial Law Rule”… Under Martial Law Rule what you wrote could be done…

          • Rand PAUL in 2106

            My protocol would need to be passed as legislation & adhered to. The it would be Constitutional. We’re not talking about disgruntled people in America who can’t stand the way things are going, etc…We are talking about a traitor who has joined ranks with those we are in battle with & have declared war & death on us!

          • Charlie

            PAUL,,,
            Are you a little confused ? is it 2106 or 2016? The CEG has declared war on America many years ago,,, The CEG murdered JFK and his son,,,the CEG murdered 2 members of Randy Weavers family… Some of these disgruntled people , you write of are victims of the CEG Treason… You should do a little research of American history and The World History Book called The Holy Bible and figure out who The “Criminals” have been AND who today’s Criminals are…

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear RAND IN 2016,

          You write: “The evidence against Awlaki as an enemy combatant against the US was overwhelming & I have no problem taking him out the way we did.” What evidence have you seen? In what court was it presented outside the court of popular opinion? Please provide links or sources.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Old Wolf

        Not to mention that the government has already attempted to go that route. A little case called Trop v. Dulles. Denationalization comes under the 8th amendment, as the stripping of the citizenship revokes the effective ‘right to have rights’

        “The punishment strips the citizen of his status in the national and international political community. His very existence is at the sufferance of the country in which he happens to find himself. While any one country may accord him some rights and, presumably, as long as he remained in this country, he would enjoy the limited rights of an alien, no country need do so, because he is stateless. Furthermore, his enjoyment of even the limited rights of an alien might be subject to termination
        Page 356 U. S. 102
        at any time by reason of deportation. [Footnote 34] In short, the expatriate has lost the right to have rights.
        This punishment is offensive to cardinal principles for which the Constitution stands. It subjects the individual to a fate of ever-increasing fear and distress. He knows not what discriminations may be established against him, what proscriptions may be directed against him, and when and for what cause his existence in his native land may be terminated. He may be subject to banishment, a fate universally decried by civilized people. He is stateless, a condition deplored in the international community of democracies. [Footnote 35] It is no answer to suggest that all the disastrous consequences of this fate may not be brought to bear on a stateless person. The threat makes the punishment obnoxious. [Footnote 36]”

  • Jeep

    Normally I would not even bother to write a response…but, John, your assertions about the nature, mission and make up of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) is just wrong. I speak from extensive experience. JSOC has never been, is not now, nor will it ever be loyal to ANY administration. The members of this organization are all loyal to the United States of America. Period. To the posters that have their feathers ruffled, you will never have to find out if you are prepared to face down the steally eyed, flat bellied soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen that comprise this elite organization. Sure, the mission over the years has changed as the strategic objectives of our government have. But, I will say that never will our young men and women support being a private arm that targets American citizens. In answer to Al-Alwaki, I can say that his death was done within the bounds of laws passed by the previous administration and renewed by the current. These soldiers have famlies and lives just like the rest of you. They do not live in a box or reside in some alternate universe. They are friends, family and neighbors. But, foremost they are Americans with a strong affinity for our Constitution, our way of life and have dedicated themselves to protecting it. From real threats, both internally and externally. Patriots, Tea Partiers, Constitutionalists and even progressive socialists are all part of America and these fine Americans have dedicated their lives to protect them all. John, you may not like the way it is done, or our current objectives. So, get your guys elected, change the course. But, don’t impugne the integrity of those fine Americans who protect your right to say nasty things about them.

    • Bob666

      Very well stated.

      • WTS/JAY

        A little too naive for my taste. As well, written with the intent, it seems, so as to offend no one, at the expense of the truth!

        • Jeep

          And, what truth is that Jay? Have you ever been to Ft. Bragg? Have you ever even talked with a Special Ops soldier? Just because John says it is a “private army” does not make it so. It takes more than dedication to make it through the vetting process at JSOC and serve. And, I don’t seem to ever recall anyone ever taking an oath to serve Clinton, Bush or Obama while I served there. So, again, change the strategic objective through the political process outlined in our Constitution if you do not like it. In the mean time, your uninformed opinion merely clouds the clear and demonstrated fidelity our men and women show towards the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

  • nubwaxer

    uh oh, i’ve landed at another right wing extremist conspiracy theory [expletives deleted] site.once again the voices in alex jones’s head have informed him who has in turn informed glenn beck et al of a deep plot by the kenyan socialist muslim lizard king to drag us into the pit of hell by first unleashing his black army to take our guns and bibles. no doubt we will then be taken to the fema camps under the chemtrail hazed skies that will erase our memories and turn us into drones working for the rich as slaves.
    one problem is that i don’t own guns and a bible and live in government low cost housing. i guess they will let a family of 12 mexicans take my apartment. and it seems most people are already working at subsistence wages or lower. but the mind control is what grand klaxton obama wants which will first of all make us want to eat all our vegetables and drink no soda over 10 ounces. oh yeah, they will shrink the container size.
    i realize i am such an amateur compared to what all y’all expect from your yarn masters, but thanks for the opportunity to let me imagination run amok in this most rewarding way because, [expletives deleted]

    • vicki

      uh oh, i’ve landed at another right wing extremist conspiracy theory [expletive deleted] site.

      Argument to ridicule. Feel free to go away. You won’t be missed.

    • WTS/JAY

      Well well, another brainwashed, obama-parasite desperately seeking help and wishes to come a board. Alright then, climb on board, marvin. Just so you know, we are not licensed to practice, but we will do our best to help you; and judging by your comments that you no doubt constructed while under the influence of “crack”, this could take a while.

    • Native Blood

      Gee Marvin, A Racist liberal hillbilly?

    • Charlie

      marvin,,,
      Now We understand your 2 big problems,,,no guns,,,no Bible,,, so it’s only going to take about 2 wet backs to kick you out bleeding upon the street… Do you have a double edge knife ? The Commander said to sell what ever and buy one, at Luke 22:36,, sorry I forgot you don’t have a Field Manual…. Meanwhile…… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • Gail Thompson

      hmmmm got in the wrong line did ya when the lord handed out brains!!!! So now then you must love Communism or else your a Marxist or should we keep going on from here. I know your a Democrat Communist ? Or Maybe your a Marxist Democrat??? Really dude ummm what kind of Democrat are you???? Because they have silenced the voice of the working class Democrats. I think they are just trying to wipe those Democrats out cause they would not want ones that believe in GOD and Country. By the way
      God Bless The USA

  • rain dancer

    One thing that will give the marxist muslim secret army away is the stink of goats and the bleating of their favorite billy tied to a tree. To slow the idiots down, start some smudge pots , loaded with giant rag weed leaves and some road apples. Since Max Bacus (the father of NoCare} and Levin (the Lard Azz) are both retiring suddenly. Why, because when the fascist/communist democrat party controllef all three branches of government, these 2 fks pushed and threatened the IRS ,until they singled out all conservative organizations for special investigations. All coming from the Dem Party pukes, like Axelweed.

  • RAND PAUL IN 2016

    As I read all these comments, the only thing I can think of & wish for is that Rand Paul be elected president in 2016…He is not part of the corrupt Left/Right paradigm that is killing this nation!! Both parties have kissed the butt of the NWO elites, both parties contain these same dark souls…We must go Back to truly adhering to the Constitution & the Principle of Law, and power flowing back to the states. How else can this mess be fixed???

  • WTS/JAY

    Though they are generally thought of as “bleeding hearts,” I’m never surprised when liberals endorse terrorism. Viewing humanity through the lens of class, race, gender, and other collectivist identities, it’s an easy philosophical leap for liberals to justify mass killing in the name of social justice or “progress.”

    In the early to mid-20th century, many American and European liberals were so sympathetic to socialism that they turned a blind eye to communist atrocities against Russia’s civilian population. Writes conservative columnist Joseph Sobran, “The vast and cruel tyranny was claiming millions of lives… Civilization itself was being murdered in Russia, with the vociferous approval of free men in the still-civilized countries to the West.”

    Modern, white guilt-driven liberals who would never think of sacrificing their own small children for any progressive cause—including abolishing slavery—still champion Vesey’s plans to slaughter every pale-faced child in Charleston. When defending Vesey, liberals aren’t imagining murdered kids, only black liberation–some even making the class- and race-based case that slave masters’ entire families were equally as guilty as the slave masters. Similarly, when it came to Lenin and Stalin’s Russia, mid 20th-century liberals weren’t imagining famine and genocide, only “workers of the world” uniting. In the name of saving “humanity,” the Left is always prepared to sacrifice plenty of actual humans.

    And unfortunately, so are many of today’s conservatives. The most common defense of Truman committing what conservative columnist Pat Buchanan calls “terrorism on a colossal scale,” is that it was done to “save American lives.” But was it?

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/tactv/terrorism-liberal-and-conservative/comment-page-1/

    • Seanoamericano

      A million lives to secure the beaches, 50,000 POWs of which my dad was one captured in the Philippines and surviving the Death March were to be murdered and their bodies concealed on order from the Emperor. Then the training of the civilians to defend their homeland with pitchforks and anything else. Leave it to suckass weenies and liberals and their revisionist history. Liberals are always willing to spend the lives and money of others while contributing nothing except their lip flapping, monumental stupidity and insane reasons based on lies and fraud. As bad as it sounds an all out civil war would be a good thing because it would mean the elimination of socialist disease and the asshats that have helped it. I have no doubt that there are many many more people who see what the problem is. I wouldnt give a bucket of spit for the future of the entire libturd progressive movement once the shooting starts.

  • Robbie

    This “secret” army is so secret that you somehow know all about it. It is also so “secret” that when you search for it on the web dozens and dozens of entries pop up instantly. Also, maybe the secret from YOU is that it is simply an integral part of the U.S. military based in Fort Bragg and Tampa, Florida. As far as this being some secret organization by President Obama you might want to know that this “secret” army was actually started up as part of the U.S. military back in 1980. 1980! I may be wrong but I don’t recall Obama being the President back then.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Care to cite a source on this or is this just another ploy of misdirection? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

  • Old Wolf

    Reid v. Covert had a great deal to say about punishing American citizens without trial.

    “At the beginning, we reject the idea that, when the United States acts against citizens abroad, it can do so free of the Bill of Rights. The United States is entirely [p6] a creature of the Constitution. [n3] Its power and authority have no other source. It can only act in accordance with all the limitations imposed by the Constitution. [n4] When the Government reaches out to punish a citizen who is abroad, the shield which the Bill of Rights and other parts of the Constitution provide to protect his life and liberty should not be stripped away just because he happens to be in another land. This is not a novel concept. To the contrary, it is as old as government.”

    “This Court and other federal courts have held or asserted that various constitutional limitations apply to the Government when it acts outside the continental United States. [n10] While it has been suggested that only [p9] those constitutional rights which are “fundamental” protect Americans abroad, [n11] we can find no warrant, in logic or otherwise, for picking and choosing
    among the remarkable collection of “Thou shalt nots” which were explicitly fastened on all departments and agencies of the Federal Government by the Constitution and its Amendments. Moreover, in view of our heritage and the history of the adoption of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, it seems peculiarly anomalous to say that trial before a civilian judge and by an independent jury picked from the common citizenry is not a fundamental right.”

    “We should not break faith with this Nation’s tradition of keeping military power subservient to civilian authority, a tradition which we believe is firmly embodied in the Constitution. The country has remained true to that faith for almost one hundred seventy years. Perhaps no group in the Nation has been truer than military men themselves. Unlike the soldiers of many other nations, they have been content to perform their military duties in defense of the Nation in every period of need, and to perform those duties well without attempting to usurp power which is not theirs under our system of constitutional government.

    Ours is a government of divided authority on the assumption that in division there is not only strength but freedom from tyranny. And, under our Constitution, courts of law alone are given power to try civilians for [p41] their offenses against the United States. The philosophy expressed by Lord Coke, speaking long ago from a wealth of experience, is still timely:

    “God send me never to live under the Law of Conveniency or Discretion. Shall the Souldier and Justice Sit on one Bench, the Trumpet will not let the Cryer speak in Westminster-Hall. [n75]””

  • WorryNot

    When you read these responses it has to make you first confused, then disappointed, but finally very angry. This once GREAT COUNTRY is truly divided. Do we have an honest government represented by the most trustworthy people? Can anyone actually feel safer now than at anytime in the past?
    Is this what we all deserve because we just didn’t care enough to know those that were voted into office? When can we expect to get what has been lost back?
    GOD Bless The U.S.A.

  • Harold Olsen

    It’s amazing what Obama is allowed to get away with. When Bush was in office, the left, along with the brain dead media, made it clear that if Osama bin Laden or any of his lieutenants were found, if Bush did not capture them alive and bring them back for trial then both Bush and Cheney should be arrested and charged with murder and put on trial as war criminals. I do not hear the same outcries regarding Obama and Biden. Instead, they are cheered as heroes. It’s this sort of thing that makes me believe that no matter what Obama does, he will be allowed to get away with it. Except for, maybe, the American people, there is no one to stop him. Not the two houses of Congress, the Supreme Court or either political party. The Democrats scream racism every time someone criticizes Obama and the GOP do not have the courage or the desire to stop him. He is their god and messiah. He can do no wrong!

    • greatgrandmasue

      Oblamer gets a free pass because he has a low IQ.

    • Merle Dickey

      Interesting that he brags about getting Bin Laden when seal team six got him and then they are all killed by friendly on their helicopter!! Doesn’t that seem strange to anyone .Just another oops in his book. I think not. They were gunned down and murdered by his orders.

  • Falling Leaf

    First of all I would like to state something very simply so “everyone will understand.” Right now get up and go look in the mirror. Give yourself a good long stare and say to yourself, “What would I do.” Be honest. Don’t tell yourself what you think you would do or what you hope you would do. What would you really do if you were in a position to do whatever you wanted and had the means to do it with no consequences? I ask this because I am so tired of hearing about Democrats and republicans and congress and the president and the state of the world and all this belly aching. They (all of them that we blame) are doing what they are because they have the [comment has been edited] to do it and we don’t. We want to sit behind our computers or your smart phones and bitch and complain, trying to sound all big and bad to other people who don’t have any balls either, all while things are getting worse and worse…(to us and people like us) and all the while, these people that we are busy blaming) are steadily getting exactly what they want. What I’m really trying to say is “Get off your asses and be the change you want to see in the world.) Yes you could get harassed. Yes you could get locked up and yes you could even be killed but, at least you would actually be doing something that makes a difference. Have you ever heard the saying, actions speak louder than words??? Guess what??? It is so true. Ever tried to talk yourself up a hamburger or a hot dog when you were hungry? Have much luck? The same applies to these situations. Stop listening to everyone else. Stop being blind. Everyone will lie to you if it will give them an advantage. Hell, we lie to ourselves more than anyone else does. Learn to trust your heart and your gut instincts. Quit trying to fit into this crowd or that crowd because it seems fashionable at the time.. If something exist outside your sphere of influence you have no control over it. If you have no control over it, it is not worth worrying about. What will be will be. What will not be will not be. Learn to let go. We all start at the same place and we all end up at the same place. Nothing physical that you acquire will leave here with you. Be happy being yourself. Most of all, be honest and true with yourself and then you will find the honest and true way to live. This is what will ultimately make you happy no matter what else is taking place around you.
    Peace and Harmony
    -Falling Leaf