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Obama’s Real Agenda and Why the Stimulus is Money Well Spent

March 10, 2010 by  

Obama’s Real Agenda and Why the Stimulus is Money Well Spent

Last month marked the one-year anniversary of the stimulus bill, or the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act, passing into law.

It was to cost a whopping $787 billion. True to form it has actually cost more, some $862 billion.

The question remains: did it work, or at least did it work well enough to seed recovery? The Federal Reserve doesn’t believe it did.

According to the Globe & Mail, “We have an economic recovery that (Fed Chairman) Mr. Bernanke does not believe is self-sustaining.”

Then again, how could Bernanke think otherwise? Consider that:

  • The United States dollar continues to break down against other currencies while gold is near its all-time high. Meanwhile, prices for raw materials jumped 50 percent last year, more than doubling the advance in the S&P 500. That was their best year since 1971.
  • Mortgage applications for new homes are down 13 percent from last year and were down 30 percent the year before. This despite record low interest rates and housing prices that are cheaper than they have been in a generation.
  • Even with Soviet-style financing, many banks’ balance sheets remain weak. More than 140 banks failed last year. The potential exists for hundreds, perhaps even thousands of more banks to fail over the next two years.
  • U.S. unemployment is running at 9.7 percent and the true unemployment rate is more than double if you count those who have given up looking for work and the underemployed. According to The Atlantic that is the highest unemployment rate since the 1930s.

The only good news is that personal spending grew faster than expected in January by 0.5 percent—the fourth consecutive monthly rise. Wait… wasn’t it too much spending that got us in trouble in the first place?

Of course it was, but Americans are not spending frivolously says Keith Hembre, chief economist with First American Funds in Minneapolis. “This is not a credit binge. Bank loans continue to contract.”

According to Hembre, Americans are pulling cash out of their savings accounts just to get by.

But wait, our government has a solution. If you said more spending you are not clairvoyant, just cognizant.

Most of the Democrats simply can’t wait to spend enough to make the nation prosperous once again. Last summer, Nobel prize winner and liberal lapdog Paul Krugman was arguing that the country was in desperate need of another stimulus package.

“Getting another round of stimulus will be difficult. But it’s essential,” wrote Krugman. And if we don’t? Well Krugman and plenty in the Obama administration are ready to slam the Great Depression horn; that blaring siren that screams of soup lines, dust bowls and hobos.

Last year Christina Romer, the chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers, published an article on the “lessons of 1937.” That was the year that Franklin Delano Roosevelt started deficit spending in earnest.

There is a chorus from the Left that screams we need another stimulus package or we face Hell—an economic condition so severe that old-timers will recall the Great Depression with fondness.

One might argue that the Obama plan really hasn’t been given a chance. Heck, a trillion dollars here or there isn’t really enough to test a theory, is it?

On the other hand one might say that Obama’s plan has worked perfectly. Not because it has improved the economy, but because it accomplished exactly what it set out to do—to make the Federal government even fatter, greasier and more bloated than it was before. If that is the case then call it Mission Accomplished!

If you think I am crazy consider this: last year former labor secretary Robert Reich wrote on his blog that the recovery might have to rise from ashes like the Phoenix. Riech’s argument is that there can be no recovery until we find an entirely new model for the economy. He didn’t spell out what that model will be, but you can bet one thing—Big Government is a big part of it.

Ron Paul probably sums it up best: “The administration also claims that thousands of jobs have been created or saved by this massive spending bill, but these are just more government jobs, and counterproductive in the long run. Funding for the public sector necessarily comes at the expense of an overtaxed private economy… But the more the burden, the closer the government parasite comes to killing its host.” (You can read all of Dr. Paul’s comments in Whiskey and Gunpowder by clicking here.).

You can’t deny that the federal government is not only more indebted, but also bigger than ever. Last month The Washington Times wrote: “The era of big government has returned with a vengeance, in the form of the largest federal work force in modern history.”

According to the Obama administration the government will employ 2,150,000 employees this year, thousands more than when President Clinton declared that “the era of big government is over” in the 1990s. The growth is not coming to our overstressed military, but in the form of thousands of new civilian jobs.

I didn’t graduate from an Ivy League school like many in the Obama administration and I don’t even know who this year’s nominees are for the Nobel Prize, or even if they have nominees. But I do know that it’s named for Alfred Nobel—the guy who invented dynamite—and that is exactly what the Obama administration is playing with in trying to spend us toward prosperity.

Every government that has tried socialism has suffered for it.

I saw all I needed to see of it growing up in Canada. In the late 1960s Pierre Elliott Trudeau became Prime Minister. His Liberal government seeded socialism for 16 years.

Trudeau was convinced of the superiority of a socialist planned economy over free enterprise. He wrote in 1957, “As far as I go, it seems evident to me that the regime of free enterprise has shown itself incapable of adequately resolving problems posed in education, health, housing, full employment, etc.”

He made his vision a reality, instituting huge deficit spending, a massive welfare class and socialized medicine. And he damn near destroyed the Canadian dollar.

When Trudeau took office in 1968 the Canadian dollar was selling at par with its U.S. counterpart. By the time Trudeau left office in 1984 the Canadian dollar was selling for 70 cents U.S. That was the Canadian dollar’s first marked decline in 100 years! During the 16 years that Trudeau was Prime Minister the Canadian dollar lost more than half of its purchasing power.

Consider what would have happened to two Canadians: one who put $10,000 Canadian cash into his mattress and the other who bought gold in April 1968 when Trudeau was first elected. By June 1984, when Trudeau left office, the investor with the cash would have had the equivalent of $2,350 in constant 1968 dollars. Meanwhile our gold bug would have had $36,000—or 15 times more—in constant 1968 dollars.

If Obama’s vision of government is successful I have no doubt that the results will be even worse for the dollar and better for gold investors. It is ironic, but big creditors like China and Russia, who know better than anyone the ills of socialism, are selling off dollars and buying up resources.

They understand what Milton Friedman meant when he said: “If you put the Federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.”

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Nat

    This country has been brain dead for some time . After all , they elected G.W. Bush TWICE !

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Go away Gnat. The guy did good.

      • Nat

        G.W. Bush did good ? I have a bridge I’d like to sell You. OH and The “Gnat ” VERY mature ” Only a right wing hack would post such nonsense. EXACTLY what good did He do. Be specific….If you can

        • Nat

          HA ! No specifics on what good W did. just as I thought.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Very specific Gnat, its all written below. Lie your way through a rebuttal now, because I stated truthful facts, and not even you liberals can change the truth. You try, but you cant do it.

        • TeresaE

          The only hope I have had (left) since the day Obama fooled the populace rests on this coming November.

          If the voters go back to the polls and re-hire the majority in Washington, then it is game over. Done, stick a fork in us.

          Wish I had real hope that it won’t happen. Hope that I will wake up on the future November Wednesday morning and see real votes and real change. I don’t.

          But, I continue to hold onto this tiny sliver that the masses truly are awakening.

          • Raggs

            If you are thinking votes will make a difference, well sorry to say but your incorrect… SEIU and obama are going to give illegals Amnesty so they can vote… I’m hoping this will not happen prior to November only time will tell… obama is a socialist progressive a dictator if you will. He is using every tactic in his box which mainly includes health care.. not to mention a nationalized I.D.

          • Ruth R

            You are correct. Obama is working madly on getting amnesty for illegal aliens, not to mention IMPRISONED FELONS as well, and I forget who else not CONSTITUTIONALLY allowed to vote. Don’t you believe that all these UPRIGHT citizens wouldn’t give a vote to the one who made it possible for them to destroy OUR NATION for us? After all, the ones living the “American Dream” now ARE the illegals who are here, getting the jobs that now all require “BILINGUAL” capabilities, but none for actually doing a job, and they ALSO get food stamps and every other help/aid there is, but not AMERICANS. November will be too late. IMPEACH OBAMA. Put pressure on CONGRESS to get THIS done, and the rest of the problems will be MUCH MORE manageable, instead of next to impossible to correct!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats the democrat way of getting votes. Are you aware of how many thousand dead people got JFK elected in 1960? It was quite rampant way back then.

        • J C

          It’s a Liberty site Nat, it’s natural for socialists to feel out of place here.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          He quit letting the enemy punch us in the nose like Clinton did. He stood up for this country. He freed millions of people in Iraq. He had more people working in America at one time than any president in History. He had the lowest unemployment rate of any president in history. He had the stock market at the highest levels ever in history. My pay double in 8 years under his leadership. Need anything else, Gnat?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Come on Gnat, cant counter the truth? Oh yeah, I forgot, you and your left wing ilk dont deal with the truth very well.

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest RB

          AMEN Home Boy! Those without GOD have NOTHING!!

    • http://www.pcrerun.com Don in Ohio

      Nat, and you would rather of had Gore and Kerry?
      Get real.

    • JeffH

      gNat, what other names have you used to post? Just too familiar verbiage.

      • Michael J.

        JeffH,
        Amen, could have been Phil, Denniso or Norm just as easily.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I was thinking more like Smilee.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest RB

    DaveH, You might not think there is a GOD now, But when you are standing in front of HIM come Judgement Day, “YOU WILL BELIEVE”!!!

    • Raggs

      Thats the whole problem with this entire country.. This nation was built on the foundation of God not mankind as it is today. So therefore the destruction of this country comes from within itself as most people have turned away from God will soon see.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      RB, Dave is an atheist, and I am a Christian, but we both chose to treat each other as adults, and have an adult discussion here. And as a Christian, the Gospel is to be administered in love, not in hate and fear, and what you just said to Dave, would be another reason he wouldnt ever want to look to Christianity’s way. Why would you do that? Think about it. And let God lay the judgement, you dont need to.

      • DaveH

        I was raised Catholic, Beberoni. And one of my best friends was Mormon. He proselytized me regularly to no avail. I just don’t believe there is a God. I think God has been made in man’s image by leaders as a way to keep their followers in line.
        So, don’t worry, nobody can scare me away from religion as I am completely firm in my non-belief.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I have to respect your right to do and believe as you please, as I was a former Catholic years ago, and I also was a former non-believer years ago, but I do know that the day I got down on my knee’s, and I asked God to help me and to forgive my sins, and invited Jesus Christ into my life, everything change. Everything. My eyes and ears were literally opened, just as the Bible speaks of in many places. Am I a sinner? Oh yeah, you bet I am. As long as Im wearing flesh, Ill sin, even though I dont want to. My stupid human feelings get in the way quite often. But how can I attack you for not believing as I do, when I myself wore your shoes myself, and I sure didnt like it when people attacked me back then, and it did happen. It pushed me away and made me feel resentment. Rather, I choose to pray to my God for you Dave, that before its all done, that He will reveal Himself to you, and I fully believe He will. Until then, keep being the level headed decent American loving guy you are, and watch out for the liberals. We both know how they are.

    • DaveH

      You definitely have the advantage on me RB. If I’m right, I won’t be able to tell you I told you so.

      • DaveH

        But do we need to believe in a God to treat each other respectfully? I see people from both left and right trampling the freedom of others to live the way they think best. If a person does not have the right to choose how he treats his own body and property then who does? Nobody, I say.
        If we don’t respect each other’s Freedom, we will have none. No doubt that is coming.

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          I will not try to dispute your right to believe as you wish as that is against my beliefs, but I will say a prayer for you tonight!!! God Bless!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I would say this Dave, that those people on the right and left in government that are trampling peoples rights, that over 90 percent of them havent a clue who Jesus Christ is, and they think God’s last name is dammit. If they had the love of Christ in their hearts, I can guarantee you our government would not be in the sad, sad state it is in now, and my friend, you and I both know, yes, we both know for a fact, it is in a sad, dire state.

  • Mark

    Hello? pretty much hit the nail on the head but I will tell you that aggrivating them to death will only cause them to block channels of communication. Until a few of them meet death the others will not listen. Stimulus my donkey, this obama swine lover lied about his nationality, he is Kenyan, and then him and his pig of a wife lied about being baptist, he is a muslim, and created a mini mosque in the area of the white (black) house where presidents are sworn in. That makes the church that pig michelle attended a bunch of liars too.

  • Robert

    I’ve known about his agenda for quite sometime before he was supposedly elected in to office. I say supposedly because of a statement FMR Secretary of state made a while back “Barack Obama is primed to bring in the NEW WORLD ORDER” along with the the crooked organization ACORN’s dealings. This leads me to believe that the 2008 election was predetermined to bring about a one world government. Just look at what he has already done, taking control of banks, the auto industry, and now health care. Now there is talk of National ID card supposedly to deal the immigration problem. The national ID card will be the first step towards total govt control of our lives. Once the NEW WORLD ORDER is finalized implantable RFID microchips will be used to track and control your every move. If you don’t believe me, just do the research and do it soon, before long information via the internet will be restricted to what the govt wants us to have access to.

  • Bob Wire

    No ~ it’s not over, Rove, and Chaney are still out there.

    The power that put them in office is very busy today ~ But have it your way!

    New faces and new problems. right?

    Programing at it finest. ditto heads. I hate labels but that one fits so well.

  • keith

    what these marxists,socialist communists don’t realize this IS the united states of america!you can only push people so far,if the next election does not fix things(if it goes that far) then a crapstorm is coming,the tree of liberty must needs be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots,america,love it or leave it!god,guns and guts made america free,i’m sick of seeing my beloved country spat on by these traitors,they all need to be tried for treason and then hung.everyday i hear more and more crap coming from these traitors,time to clean house,through voting them out or other means!
    just fed up,and waiting!obamass is just a lieing sorry a**ed marxist socialist traitor and all his marxist scumbums need to go,one way or the other!!!lets take OUR country back!he thinks it’s his,well IT;S NOT!!!!!

  • Senior Cesar

    THE DEMOCRATIC DEFICIT IS A LOAN

    More than half of America is presently in a pathetic condition due to the Bush administration’s wasteful spending, including spending in an unnecessary war.(The present outrageous property taxes on single family homes are abominable) Some people think that the democratic administration also caused the present deficit. Nevertheless, there is a big difference. What is that difference? It is that the Bush’s deficit of whatever trillions was a waste of the treasury’s money. But the necessary additional democratic deficit is an investment toward the recovery to prosperity. “It takes money to make money.” The additional deficit is no wasted money, but money working for the good of this country. If any one has lost the purpose of the investment deficit, it is because ignorance of the reasons for the investments that appear as a democratic deficit which is really a loan for the investment and Recovery Act It is like seeds planted and at its proper time will yield an abundance of fruits, a great harvest – so to speak. So, no democratic deficit is really a deficit but a loan. . A loan appears as money out of pocket, but it will be restore with interest. So is the case of the democratic loans that ignorants and trouble makers see and talk about as additional deficit.

    If it is so, why the president does not tell it to us like that.? He has, but most people do not get the meaning of his educated presidential maneuverings. They just try to make trouble by saying, uh, more deficit! The deficit was this much but now is much more, uh! How unlearned they are! And then they called the ones who know the right techniques to recovery, morons, etcetera. On the contrary, such critics are the morons and whatever else. This recovery act will be the model of the models ever created. America is in good hands with the democrats! The pathetic condition imposed on America by the republicans will be over in due time. The American People have a duty to keep the pachyderm beast dormant without supporting votes for the safety and well being of America. America the beautiful have been rescued by the Democrats from the disintegrating clutches of the republican beast. (That Grip was put on by the supreme court mistaken decision against Al Gore in the year 2000 and also the manipulations of the count of votes four years later to hide the mistake of the supreme court from the American constituents.)(We Democrats are not fools, you know!) However, the “Democratic Party” have successfully ended the beauty and the beast tyrannical and abusive dominion. Once more America have emerged as one nation under God with Liberty and Fairness for all Americans. Yeeeehaaah! Yeeehaaah and Yeeehaah in God’s name.

    This country’s doors are open, every one is free to leave even with one hand covering the back and other covering the front. To do the pursuit of happiness elsewhere is legal. Bye, and good luck!

  • Joe H.

    What was it Obummer said? Pass this stimulus package to keep unemployment below 8%??? I think it’s just shy of 10 now after the bill passed??? And now there is talk of another bill???? These people are brain dead!! No sign of life above the sholders!!!

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Obama is a Marxist. Consistent with Mao Tese Tung of China(Obama’s self-proclaimed Marxist idol)and Marxist first agena is to crash the economy to take it over(Watch Glenn Beck on Fox; he knows that)! We soon will see the biggest planned economic crash and history! Watch! Note: Karl Marx created Marxism because he was an anti-messiah! Interesting, isn’t it?

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    I see I can’t put anything actually true on this web site. bye!

  • jomama

    We’re screwed!!

  • Gul B.

    Don’t forget India’s Socialism experiment from 1950-1991 leading to a near bankruptcy. Only when taxes were reduced, some (some very little) semblance of Free Market Policy was instituted in 1991 di that country begin to come out of the “DARKNESS” of Socialism. There is book titled “Breaking Free of Nehru” by Sanjeev Sabhlok that tells the factual saga of how Nehru’s Socialism Experiment almost destroyed India. Now we need to work hard to break free from (or overcome) Obama’s Big Government Tax & Spend on Entitlements & Government Ownership Agenda. Having lived in Indian Socialist Dark hours I am probably among a very few people who migrated to the US in the late 1950′s who understands and fears the DARKNESS of Obamunism; and what kind of legacy we will be leaving for our children & grandchildren.
    Let us IMPOSE the CONSTITUTION upon the Politicians in DC (District of Corruption).

  • Gul B.

    Wasn’t Paul Krugman an advisor to ENRON? or am I mistaken on this point.

  • Dan Burke

    It isn’t just our president. When people ask “how will government solve this for us” they are just following this path whether it be republican or democrat. What happened to Americans that would found, or find, charities to help the needy instead of looking for government solutions? Is to far easier to say I am penniless while watching my big screen TV and ask government to take away the liberties of everyone to give what I won’t. By the way, I only recently acquired a flat screen TV, paid in cash and in part as an investment in building custom computers specifically to work with televisions as their monitor…. Now to finish my “research” and put together something to sell, including finishing the registration of my business.

  • Eric S.

    Welcome to the magical printing press of Washington DC:
    I simply find it amazing that with the wave of the magic wand of congress and the senate with the “lil” ole signature of bastard (illegitimate-not a natural born US citizen per constitutional requirements or at least refused to show the proof thereof) president that the wheels of the Great Printing Press can print out money with no substance to back it up. I can hear the roar of this Great Magical Printing Press and smell the smoke of the burning gears as it works industriously in hyper overdrive. No worry my friends it’s magical just like the magical debt bubble which is getting amazingly big. I just think that it is so cool watching this debt bubble grow with it. Just think we will get to see it work again in another round of magic just to hear the screams of that was so awesome all that money just seemed to vanish into thin air. But, it was so cool to see the magical stimulus of fantasy and just look at the size of that magical debt bubble. Isn’t that just awesome? I can hear the applause of all these wonderful magicians and all the slaps on each other’s backs ring out so loud that heck even the major news media sources join in. Everything is now just so peachy. I can hear the great magicians announcing thank you, thank you. Now the Great Magi steps foward and announces it wasn’t enough let’s do it again. Once again we are swoon to the magical presses mighty roar as all the magicians wave their magic wands. I’m so impressed. Does any one have a pin?
    People need to wake up out of this fantasy!
    Ron Paul certainly has the right message!

  • http://aol borderlinedevill

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

  • jim

    its simple/time to get rid of them all,and start over,time to take our country back befor its to late,time is short till were dumed.the next war with the us will be the uprising of the people to take there country back

  • Mike In MI

    Well Said Mr. Myers-

    We see here why any system not based on the Bible will fail. If you go full out all out capitalism – without Biblical Godliness, you get what the socialists have been prattling at everybody – runaway rapacious, avaricious, wreck-anything-that-gets-in-my-way (robber baron)greed. The Bible calls that attitude idolatry, the lust to fill up the bottom line to the highest level possible – and damn the consequences. John D. Rockefeller: “Just one more dollar” and it will be enough. This kind of capitalism hoards money, power, people, ideas, recognition and puts everything below acquisition of those commodities. The corporation becomes “god” and must bend everyone to the Bosses’ desires.

    On the other hand you have socialism which says man should be or is inherently best when he is godless. But then immediately elevates a man or men who build the philosophy or run the all-controlling-government to the position of god. They make five or ten year plans and (because people are unimportant to them,or less important than “The Plan”) coercion must be used to achieve their goals. Individual’s dreams, hopes, wants need to be made subservient to the good of the masses, workers, “Greater Good”. Thus, freedom must be sacrificed or the one who wants to be free must be sacrificed.

    The Bible works when it isn’t a state, family, or clan mandated religion. The individual must come to The Way God says He will bless and prosper out of the heartfelt desire to love and please Him. It has never worked any other way because the system (or individual) needs to come around to doing Things as He asks. An athist or self styled deistic person is not going to ask God for anything. So, “you have not because you ask not, and when you ask ou ask amiss”. God won’t over-step the bounds He sets.

    I think that at this point in national developments this is our only way out. Biblical – Godly knowledge and wisdom – beliving and action. No denominations, dogmas, rituals or doubts. Each person responsible to study, know, believe and apply the best of what he knows. God hasn’t changed.

  • Raggs

    As unemployement continues to rise every month the benefits of the ones that have been unemployed for a year or more are running out.
    Even with extensions of benefits this cannot be substained forever.
    People will soon be losing everything they have, Homes, cars and everything else they have worked so hard for. The cities will be in choas…. obamas plan to “create” jobs is a smoke screen to fund even more government while destroying the country from the inside.

  • Warrior

    Spot on!

  • Doc Sarvis

    You could have substituted the name Bush for Obama throughout your post and I would have totally agreed with you during the previous administration.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    You are correct and it is a scary thought, knowing that there are actually that many people in this country, that would entrust leading our nation, to someone that they knew absolutely nothing about. They didnt know where he comes from. They didnt know what he stood for. They didnt know of his plans, which he still doesnt have, other than to shoot from the hip. They knew nothing about this guy, except that he was suspected to be muslim, that he followed a racist preacher for 20 years in Rev. Wright, that he associated with a known domestic terrorist in Bill Ayers,that he associated with a known crook in Tony Rezko, and yet they still voted him into power. That is some scary stuff right there. Do your country a favor people, and get yourselves educated before you pull a lever in a voting booth again.

  • thefedupamerican

    Amen Borderline…Elections have consequences and we’re reaping those consequences now. I still maintain one should have to pass a civics test before being allowed to vote… http://www.thefedupamerican.com

  • Time

    Borderline devill, Interesting observation of what this old saying fits.

    “The Mases have never thirsted after TRUTH.”
    (Who ever can supply them with ILLUSIONS is easily their MASTER.)
    “WHO ever attempts to destroy their ILLUSIONS is ALWAYS their VICTOM.”

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest RB

    Nearing the return of Christ. The seasons will change so you can’t tell them except by the leaves on the trees. (GLOBLE WARMING AL GORE)? Bah humbug! There will be Earthquake, and Tempest, The US Government will hang by a “THREAD”. Sound Familiar? “HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS GOING ON TODAY”? If you do see these signs it is time “WE ALL TURN MORE TO THE SCRIPTURES AND GOD!!!! HE is the only one that will save anyone. You have a choice God Or Satin, its is your personal choice. Please don’t take this wrong, I’m not trying to force this on anyone, it is a personal choice, That is why GOD gave us free agency…….

  • Peggy

    LOL. Very true my friend. But consider this, do you actually believe that tooth-paste can be put back into the tube?

    Let me explain. This health-care power grab will remain intact, if they impose this upon us. You cannot trust the next bozo’s to repeal it, because they wont. Even if they had a political will to do it (which they wont), it would take a clear majority in both houses just to make it to the next bozo’s desk.

    The repugnant republicans are no different than the demoncrats. They are two arms who share the same beast. When republicans are in power again, they will take advantage of the new power. The will of the people does not matter to them.

    A campaign to repeal this power-grab, will be an exercise in futility.

    RE-ELECT NO-ONE, EVER AGAIN, NO MATTER WHAT. This is the only way to stop corruption……that or/and bar lawyers from holding ANY public office.

  • John O’Connor

    The same Reagan garbage over and over. Why don’t you move to Somalia where every one has a gun, there is essentially no government and health care is not even a dream. Nothing is all good or all bad. We have social security and medicare, both good programs, but NO ONE wants a complete socialist society. Why do people keep harping on this theme ? If McCain had been elected he would have used the same Wall St./Goldman Sachs advisors and would have put in the same stimulus package. That’s the only way out of this Bush Tax cut/spending night mare. You didn’t complain when Bush bailed out the banks. The last time we had a depression we had the second world war where the government spent vast sums of money. IT WORKED This is much better.

  • John O’Connor

    The same Reagan garbage over and over. Why don’t you move to Somalia where every one has a gun, there is essentially no government and health care is not even a dream. Nothing is all good or all bad. We have social security and medicare, both good programs, but NO ONE wants a complete socialist society. Why do people keep harping on this theme ? If McCain had been elected he would have used the same Wall St./Goldman Sachs advisors and would have put in the same stimulus package. That’s the only way out of this Bush Tax cut/spending night mare. You didn’t complain when Bush bailed out the banks. The last time we had a depression we had the second world war where the government spent vast sums of money. IT WORKED This is much better.

  • DaveH

    John Myers,
    Good Article, I especially liked the Milton Friedman quote.

  • Bill Stewart

    Obama has taken your country away from you and you are still talking about health care! Incredible! His presidency has done more damage to this country than Osama and the mafia combined. When they are voted out of office, there will be little that can be done to reverse the comittments that have been made e.g., loans from China.

  • DaveH

    No Joe,
    They are not brain-dead at all. They know exactly what they want and are doing a darn good job of forcing it on us. It is the people who buy their lies that are brain-dead.

  • Robert Moore

    Fiat money allows the bankers(and special interests thru lobbyists)to own the politicians by letting them create money out of thin air. Inflation/deflation or devaluation of the value of the money by “printing” (creating Loans to the gov)is the problem. STEAL the right to create money back from the government. Create “Advertising” tokens “eat a joes” in real silver and “sell” them to that biz to advertise. Real money in real circulation. Sound money (gold,silver,commodity) is the ONLY governor on a runnaway engine of the political class and the banker overlords.

  • Dennis

    No Joe.H,
    WE are, We are letting them do it every day and we have been for many many many years no matter what party it is, Its about power, and they booth want it ( Left or Right ).

  • DaveH

    I wish you could somehow keep us posted about the Government hurdles you have to clear on your way to creating and marketing your product.

  • JeffH

    Good luck and I hope that “free enterprise” won’t be completely dead before you have completed your work.

  • Jana

    Dan, good luck with your business, I hope it is successful as it sounds like a great idea.

    You also reminded me that I hear all of the time about these poor people who live in the projects, and those that are on welfare etc. having these big screen TV’s. We still have the old kind, not even a flat screen. My TV has been going out for about a year now, and we have been saving up for a new TV, we (mainly me) want a 32″ but will not go into debt for it. My old one has blurry lines about 3 inches down from the top, but its still functioning fine otherwise and until we have the cash it will continue to do just fine.

  • Dick Gazinia

    good luck with your business. Please keep the manufacturing in the USA. The Chinese have enough.

  • keith

    he is NOT my president,i disown him,despise him and all the socialist scumbums he has surrounded himself with!to me he is a traitor and needs to be tried,followed by a rope.gos bless the usa,love or leave it!

  • Jack

    Its to late were toast, just a matter of time. prepare your families the best you can it shouldnt be to much longer.

  • Jimmy G

    John Myers,

    I own gold and have been selling to reduce back to 10%. I see too many adds to buy gold now, however I will be a buyer at $950 again. Gold is my insurance policy.

  • remmy

    Hello?, I totally agree with you on one thing and that is, you are ignorant. Thank you for pointing that out. I will not waste my time on you.

  • Cujo47

    Yes, you are right, it will take years to undo what they have done and will require a very courageus person to lead us. I don’t see any on the horizon as of yet. And if they get this amnesty passed we may not even get the chance.

  • DaveH

    Mike,
    I embrace most of religious morality as being the better path to a good life. But I don’t believe there is a God. And I do believe that people trying to force Religious ideals on others who are only harming themselves (vice crimes, etc.) has a lot to do with Big Government growth and the fix we’re in right now. We don’t need more religion in Government. We need less Government. Much less!
    People simply like to make their own mistakes and it is understandably hard for them to grasp why it is anybody else’s business what they do to their own bodies and property. The Religious people with their zealous pursuit of forced perfection just drive those freedom lovers to the Dark Side.
    I applaud you for striving to be a better human being, but it just doesn’t work to try to force other people to be smart.
    If you want your Freedom, and I’m sure you do, then you need to respect the Freedom of others before you can expect them to respect yours.

  • Mike In MI

    Dear DaveH (and all reading this who are of his opinion) -

    Thanks for responding to my post with your pretty well thought out ideas and heart. Please realize, I’m not a proponent of compulsory anything. I’m convinced anybody who really wants to do things right (like you seem to) needs to seek a source of information, outside himself, that has a much bigger perspective and long-term ability to influence men’s affairs for good than we do. Such a person will usually look at contemporary religion, history, his own experience and then reject God – like you do, I did and many others also. The idea that most religions represent God is a problem.

    When I was struggling with these things I found I first had to define what kind of God I wanted. I finally figured that anything less than a being who isn’t omniscient, omnipotent and eternal isn’t God. If that being is those things whatever It was doesnt

  • Mike In MI

    Dear DaveH -

    Thanks for responding to my post with your pretty well thought out ideas and heart.

    Please understand! God never compelled me, you, Jesus Christ or anybody else to do what He wants. If your experience and training
    lead you to believe God is a figment that is your privilege in this free land. I believed that for years until I got into the Navy, out of the great ease, comfort and protection I was afforded as a U.S. citizen. I was never significantly challenged as a kid. I think no atheist or agnostic ever has had or allows their beliefs, or existence, to be meaningfully challenged. (True, I don’t know about you, DaveH.)

    I’m no proponent of compulsion – except justice (and, I see little reason for jails). I’m convinced anybody who really wants to do things right (like you seem to) needs to find a source of information, outside himself, that has a much wider perspective and proven, long-term influence on men’s affairs (for good) than other men (as sources) can muster. The idea that all religions represent God IS problematic. Remember, religious people killed Jesus Christ.

    Struggling with such matters I found I first had to define what kind of God I wanted. I figured that a being who isn’t omniscient, omnipotent and eternal isn’t God. Any being that is those things need not be anything except loving, gentle, kind, helpful and patient – what (or who) can out-think Omniscient or overpower Omnipotent? If It is loving It would want a relationship with what It creates, so It would have left some sort of enduring Record of Itself. There would also be some evidence of that omnipotent ability at work in those having that relationship. I decided to hunt for that Record, relationship and evidence; it didn’t come to me. I knew I didn’t have it when I started out, but knew I’d never be complete without it – because I was somewhat aware of a big hole inside that I couldn’t define.

    Biblical Christianity filled the bill. Pay no attention to what history touts as “Christianity(s)” of Western cultures. The Bible is an ancient Oriental record; understood and taught in that light, it makes sense. When It makes sense you can make sense of life. God doesn’t expect, or want, “blind faith”. Believing requires learning, study and understanding.

  • Raggs
  • home boy

    when is man going to realize that he does not have the answers. what is it going to takefor man to realize he can not survive without help from his creator. when is man going to finally realize that he lives in a world that is controlled not by man but buy satan. read your bible boys and girls b/4 it’s to late.

  • Tj from Tifton

    We have a nation which is more concerned about who will become the new American Idol than about the character of out politicians or what they are doing up in Washington. Public apathy, political spin artists, and a press that entirely supports the socialist agenada are the causes of our national decline. Our universities preach socialism and contempt for American history, our schools are hamstrung by unions and political correctness, and our grasp of geography, history, and the principles of government is non-existent. I would blame hollywood except that no one is forced to watch the drivel that is purveyed as entertainment. We, as a nation, are killing ourselves in so many ways that it’s terrifying. Obama and his cronies in Congress are merely the symptoms, the real problem lies with our overindulged populace. ryimpossible to

  • DaveH

    Why don’t you move to that haven of Big Government – Zimbabwe?
    http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

    You say FDRs solutions worked? He presided over 10 years of Depression. You call that working?

    Don’t confuse Hopes and Dreams with Reality, John.

  • Jimmy G

    We cannot create wealth with spending and debt. We don’t have the best health care system in the world because we are a 3rd nation.

    Not everyone in Somalia owns a gun, only the gangs and gov. Its the 115 million gun owners in this country that keep the thugs from dragging us out of our homes in the middle of the night and sending us to the Gulag.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Im pretty sure that is what the democrat congress voted to do. No president can just do what he wants to do. It takes an act of congress. Yes, the democratic congress gave the banks the billions, as they did with GM, and Chrysler, and unemployment and Medicare and Medicaid, and they are all broke and going under, because of being run by the government. And you just might want to look into the truth of how great Ronald Reagan was for this country. The most prosperous times in history my friend, for all of us. And countries respected us again, until one William Jefferson Clinton make us a laughing stock.

  • Alan Clark

    Whoa John. Listen, I have a couple good used tents and a few MRE’s left over from Viet Nam. I’ll make you one heck of a deal on em when your house and money are gone.

  • Peggy

    [Offensive word removed] I complained plenty about Bush.

    And you wont have to move to Somalia. If this bunch has their way, there will be kids running around with machetes within a generations time.

  • Joe H.

    John,
    “We have social security and medicare, both good plans”?!?!?!?! Are you breathing paint fumes??? Both plans are BROKE!!!! Do you understand what BROKE means??? Broke doesn’t enterchange with good, unless it is to say good and broke!!!

  • s c

    Obummer has taken America hostage. Now is the time to utterly resist him, as his healthcare reform SCAM is a battle America can’t afford to lose (literally or figuratively). Obummer acts like he’s oblivious to the FACT that GOVERNMENT is responsible for high costs, fraud, and lies too numerous to count. Let him play dumb.
    He knows he has very little time to do his worst to America [not "for" America]. His masters are watching him, and the price of failure will be ‘interesting.’
    Obummer is already America’s worst prez. What can be said about a politician who makes carter look like a choir boy? He wants America to be re-built on a sand foundation, where anything that sounds or feels good must be accepted as a ‘gift from the gods.’
    The only way Obummer could be a greater liability is for him to publicly state that he’s trying to destroy us. Of course, he won’t do that, but I’ll bet he’s sorely tempted. Such is the mentality and true worth of a man who has no place in America.

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    Bill – no representative has been guilty of taking anything from you that you’ve not been guilty of allowing him to have WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. What’s happened to us?????? No what have we allowed to happen to us – where have we gone wrong?

  • DaveH

    And you’re right about John McCain, he wouldn’t have been good. He wouldn’t, though, have been anywhere close to being in the same league with Obama who is encouraging out of control Government Spending.
    The problem is Big Government. We have gotten to this point, at which you Liberals claim the economy is in dire need of being fixed, as a result of Government Growth, not in spite of it. If the Growth in Government couldn’t keep us from getting to this bad economy, how can you possibly think more of it will do the trick?

  • Time

    John, So whats your point?

  • American Citizen

    When the president of Russia warns us not to go socialist, why are we not heeding the warning?

  • Peggy

    John McLame is a freaking joke, that we all suffer from.

  • Joe H.

    john,
    I answered you and it came out above!!

  • scott

    did,nt work loser,look it up.

  • http://nebraskaweldingltd.com Lee Rogers

    Why is the federal governmant talking about taxing sugar? They want people to use less sugar!
    Why then is the federal government talking about taxing business at a highter rate? Is it a TAX WHAT YOU WANT LESS OF?

    Lee R.

  • DaveH

    A “tamper-proof” national ID card? If man can create it, man can tamper with it! And if there were such a thing, why does it have to be on a national level? Why not the state level?
    O’Reilly is the last person I would listen to for advice. He is a milk-toast conservative who frequently leans to the Big Government side.
    Raggs, I thought you were one of the people that wanted to get us back to Constitutional Law? This is playing right into the hands of a Federal Government takeover.
    The illegals are a symptom of the disease. We don’t treat diseases effectively by treating the symptoms. The Disease is Big Government. The symptoms are illegals partaking in Social Programs that taxpayers’ fund. The Social Programs are the disease. Nobody, illegal or not, should be allowed to ride on unwilling shoulders (slavery).

    For those who would say the illegals are taking our jobs, I would suggest that you look at Hong Kong, which has one of the highest population densities in the world and yet has a very robust economy.
    Pick their link from the following list and read about them. Also notice their low overall Government spending:
    http://www.heritage.org/index/

    The number of available jobs in our country are only limited by our imaginations and the meddling of Big Government.

    We are going to continue down the road to destruction until people wake up to the fact that Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution!

  • Warrior

    Shows me your papers! Kinda reminds ya of the lovable guy that captivated Germany.

  • Merlin

    Wellcome to the “Socialist States Of America”. B. O.’s programs make it obvious that he thinks that socialism is better than capitalism. Democrats in general always seem to think that all problems can be solve by throwing money at them and creating ever more and larger beuracracies. That has never worked. It was the democrats in the Clinton administration that started us down this road when they pushed for more afordable housing for low income. This sounds like a very laudable goal and I am not against the idea in princible. However, it opened the door to subprime lending. These things do not happen overnight. They are not reversed overnight but B.O. programs are only going to make them worse. He promised change and we got change (for the worse). He promised a new hope. I did not need a new hope then but after his disaster I do now.

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    jomama without nary a kiss either.

  • DaveH

    Lee,
    They want to tax sugar, but at the same time they support the sugar industry:
    http://www.forbes.com/2008/06/27/florida-sugar-crist-biz-beltway-cx_jz_0630sugar.html

    People, make no mistake, the proposed taxes have nothing to do with making us healthier and everything to do with finding more sources of revenue to fund our Leviathan Government.

  • Mike In MI

    Lee Rodgers -
    What is this? Are we in Mr. Rodgers’ neighborhood, now? Haven’t you heard Mush-sell going around spouting her anti-obesity crap in the fan? It has been decreed that each of us must reduce our caloric intake by 1700 C per day. That means sugary soda must go. No more sugar calories.

    What they want instead is for us to take zero calorie NutraSweet (Equal), sucaryl and all the other poisonous artificial sweeteners. Our fat is repugnant. So, they want to poison us so we’ll fill up with toxins and water weight. That will make us sick and we’ll be thankful for Bomb’R'Care. It’s B’rakO’s way of thanking the PharmacoChemical lobby who bought his throne in the Offal Orfice.

    A friend told me they’re making sugar the new hateful addictive substance campaign. Barak wants people to forget about tobacco and hate sugar instead – or worse. Then they won’t care if he smokes or farts or pees on his own foot.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest RB

    Those who controll the OIL controll the world!!!!!!!

  • Raggs

    Dave…

    I think you may have missed why I made that post including the link.

    Sorry for the confusion but the reason I made the post was to inform everyone what the government is doing to us…
    This id card is simply the mark of the beast.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Just like tamper proof screws, that I can take out with my tamper proof screwdriver. I agree.

  • Michael J.

    DaveH,
    Just like gun control laws, nationalized ID cards will restrict the rights of law abiding citizens while all others will either ignore or circumvent it.

    “Those who would sacrifice Liberty for security deserve neither”
    Benjamin Franklin

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest RB

    THOSE WHO CONTROLL THE OIL CONTROLL THE WORLD!!!!!

  • Raggs

    I do not agree with illegals coming into this country and leeching off of the American system and tax payers monies. However I refuse to have an ID card to prove I’m a citizen! This is hitler style facist control. Papers show me your Papers, where have you been and where are you going. This card is an excuse for further government control… Sure it may sound good on the surface.. Oh it’s for illegal immagration purposes..BS! BS! and BS!… Next you will not be able to buy, sell, travel or anything without this card. I don’t know about anyone else but I was born in this country as with all of my ancestors.. I have no reason to prove who I am.

  • Char

    I would rather have the card than have them insert it in my hand or forehead. I will never consent to having anything close to that inserted under my skin at any place or time. They already have the plans, means and permission by the government for this proceedure, so beware.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    That would be those uneducated folks who let their brain sucker in their living rooms chant change-change-change to them a couple thousand times, then went out and pulled the Obama lever, without knowing who the guy is, where he is from, what he has done, what he wants to do, what he stands for, or what he falls for. In fact, most of this is still not known today, yet the uneducated voted him into office, to attempt to flush us down the toilet. What a shame. Shouldnt one have to be able to pass a common sense test to be allowed to vote? I would think so.

  • JeffH

    Agree 100%. Anything this guy does is planned with cold calculated thought. I just don’t think he calculated the “movement de resistance” which has tossed a monkey wrench in the mix, upsetting the applecart.

  • Dennis

    Thank you,
    Left or Right is ( WRONG )

  • Boo T

    I wish I could say all that I feel. I’m a bleeding heart lib who has seen the light of right. I try to see both sides, but one side is painfully, clearly fighting to tear down our great country. It breaks my heart what those people are doing to our country and our kids and their kids’ future. And it’s not really one side or the other, because both have been infiltrated and infected with this progressive disease.
    Like Massa said on Beck yesterday, the only way to solve this problem is for ordinary people, like myself,to get involved. It’s a pain the butt to do one more thing in your busy life. But it could be THE MOST important single thing you can do to help solve our problem. We turned our backs on the beast, trusting the cage to control it, now it’s broken out and is trying to run rampant. We can cage this beast, but we must be diligent and never let them do this again.HELP!!! Find a 9-12 group you like and work with them to help restore our faith in our country and maybe even in politicians (I try to be positive). It’s going to take time, patience and diligence.

  • scott

    why do you think all thru his campaign all he read was the post american world.the muslim handbook for destroying america.if the muslims are so good that they disgraced us by obama monkey throwing them a party in the black house,why are they the only ones killing us and raiseing there kids to do so.ya,they,re real great to have in this countrie.

  • Boo T

    I don’t like that card thing either, sounds fishy to me.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Dave, while I totally agree with you on needing less government, I have to disagree in that I think we need to have God in government. Im not saying force it on the people, because Christianity only benefits those who willfully choose to accept Jesus Christ as their saviour. You cant force someone to think what they dont want to think, so Im not saying that. Im saying if our leaders have Christianity written in their hearts, then it would be a natural God thing for them to do what they are actually elected to do, serve the people, and do it fairly and admirably. The true Christian doesnt think of himself first, he always puts others first. He doesnt have pride, and the greed for illegal kick backs, and payoffs and all these crooked things politicians do. Of course, there are a lot of hippocrites out there, that give Christians a bad name, as I see them myself. But if our government ran this country from a true Christ like attitude, we wouldnt have corrupt government officials, and kick backs, and pork barrell problems, and special interest groups throwing money around corrupting officials to vote this way or that way. So in knowing that, I would have to say it would be a good thing.

  • Warrior

    I vote for God to be the new Ways and Means committee chairsitter.

  • Norm

    DaveH
    I’m not an atheist but I believe organized religion has a potential to do more harm than good.

    An interesting viewpoint:
    http://www.ancientdays.net/opiate.htm

  • scott

    you,d be wiser to live like there is a god and find out there is,nt any,rather than live like there is,nt a god and find out there is nit witt.look in the bible,the book this countrie was founded on,where it tells you about fols,thats you.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The only jobs Obama has created is government jobs, that us, the taxpayer, are expected to dole out more taxes to support. Thats the truth, I dont care what party your in. Facts are facts, and truths are truths, and if the truth hurts, you need to examine what your doing.

  • J C

    Chaos, martial law…internment…like dominos.
    Be prepared.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I guess I just dont understand someone being content to be unemployed that long. Ive lost 5 different jobs over my lifetime, because of the places I worked at closing. Each time, I didnt even file for unemployment. I hit the path the next day, and started dropping resumes off all over town, and answering want adds in the paper, and I would take a job paying less, and work it and hunt for something better, and take that job, and end up somewhere where I could work up to making a good wage. Then 5 times the business closed. Im working now, and have been at the same place for 13 years now. My wife just went through 2 job changes because of closings in the last 3 years, and she was never off work for more than 3 weeks. I see jobs all over the place, people just have too much pride to take them, because its easier to suck off of Uncle Sam than it is to work, and basically, Uncle Sam has made it a better paying job to be on unemployment than it is to work at some places, and something is wrong with that picture. I do feel for those out of work, that want work, but there isnt anyway your going to tell me that within a year you cannot find a job, unless you dont want one. I can read. I see them in the paper. I see them in windows of business’s. I see them online. Ive got no college degree, and I can always find a job, and in knowing that, I guess I dont know why others that say they want a job, cant find one. Sorry, after a year, its high time to get a job.

  • scott

    and the —– and all his people keep telling you how great the stymulus is working.and all the nit wit liberal dems beleive it,hook,line and sinker.as long as theres more blind idiots than americans were doomed.why do you think he focuses all his attention to the immigrants and welfare folk.blacks that is.hmmmm

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Obama and the democrats are toast. We the American people, will rise back up and become strong again, as we will speak as a nation in 2010 and 2012, and show that we mean business. The democrats are going to pay for this, and they are going to pay dearly.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I guess that they are to dumb to see that if you quit growing government, and actually scale it down, it costs less, and that if you stop raping business’s and leave them be, they will be more profitable, and hire more people, who all pay taxes and make purchases that generate taxes, that more tax revenue rolls in and there is more in the coffers. But for some reason, the democratic party cannot see or understand that, and it is as easy as 1-2-3-, A-B-C. I just cannot comprehend why they cannot see it and understand it.

  • Hello?

    I guess I am in a world by myself but as I understand it communism and or socialism is when the government owns everything and pays everything, well almost but in this country the capatilist or the hard working honest people works his butt off , the government takes most of it and distributes his hard earned dollars to others that do not work. Well it seems that our socialistic government rewards those that do not contrubute anything and I think that is worse. We are fools and we talk all about the problems but no one ever seems to do anything about it. we can do a lot more than vote. Maybe this little problem that we have is enough to wake up a sleeping population.
    I do not cherish any of the statis quoe political party’s. By the way , we would like to give you someone’s money for your vote. We are for you, the poor downtrodden, drug addicts, have more children for bigger welfare checks, remember me and be sure to get out and vote, remember what we did for you. Unfortunately there are more recievers than givers these days. That is OK , I guess self respect and integrity comes with a price but it is worth it. Hammer your Senators and congressmen with letters and calls, aggrivate them to death, they will listen , they want job security. I wonder if they are included as a recipient of the new health care bill. NOT, but it is good enough for ignorant ppeople like us.

  • JeffH

    Simple government economics. Like health care, they want us to believe they’re working to reduce the cost for everyone except those they make the special closed door deals with.

  • Alan Clark

    From sugar we get alcohol and from that we get a whole scourge of things. Fuel, perfume, whiskey, Vodka, Ginn, Rum, etc. You know, all that stuff that big government will need to celebrate.

    THEIR GONNA LOOSE….BIG TIME…

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Here we go I supposed, the BIG EVIL OIL thing? Come on allready.

  • Time

    RB,
    Those that control the “MONEY” control the world.

    Now put on your thinking cap, What family controls the most
    money in the world?
    Don’t even bother with the Forbes list. Why?
    They are not on it, but they do run everything and everyone.
    And have more than all the combined listed x a Google.

    When you know the answer to who it is, then you will have the
    answers you all seek to every issue that has come and gone.

    Look into the war of 1812 do your own work find the “BANKER.”
    Then and only then will the last 150 years all fall into place.
    So rather than I tell you who, you do the work.

  • American Citizen

    The only thing the stimulus package stimulated was anger in the American people. They will vent at the ballot boxes in November.

  • Nat

    lol Beberoni . Typical uneducated rightie FYI the word is spelled ALREADY ( ONE L ) OMG , Please help Us

  • Nat

    We knew plenty about W and elected Him anyway . He failed at everything He attempted prior to becoming president and then screwed that up

  • Nat

    Beberoni, You’re apiece of work . Keep thinking you can see the future LMAO

  • JeffH

    Spot on, any politician that hasn’t got it figured out is toast!

  • J C

    Beberoni…Amen to that!

  • Michael J.

    Beberoni,
    You assume that we will be allowed to vote in 10 and 12. The case for Martial Law is being built as we speak in at least half a dozen different contengencies. Amongst those are public anarchy, natural disaster or terrorist attacks whether actual or false flag. Examine the man’s Chicago political history. He will stop at nothing to achieve his goals and worse yet, he believes he’s entitled.

  • scott

    all that sounds great and wonderful,but nothing is going to change until the people take control again and make laws to control the politicians.no more self raises,med plans,retirement funds,nada,zip,zero.no more strong arming bills or laws thru without the other party.no more closed door crap.nothing

  • libertytrain

    Nat, if you have had prior visits here you’d know that neither side (right or left) is very particular about their spelling -

  • JeffH

    gNat, Mr. spell check. Say something, anything that has ant real substance or meaning.

  • J C

    That’s what we needed…someone anal enough to be the site spell checker. Or not….

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    You spelled your own name wrong, GNAT.

  • DaveH

    And Nat, if you Liberals were as intelligent as you think, you wouldn’t need to be hooked on OPM. You could pay your own ways.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I gues huked on fonic didt wurk fur me Gnat. Sorry Im human and added an extral L. Damn me, better crucify me quick Gnat, Im human and made a mistake. Slam me like I am W, and your Pelosi. Come on man, follow their playbook and attack, attack, attack. Thats a good Dem. Oh shoot, I forgot the apostrophe on the s at the end of that’s. Uh oh.

  • J C

    The last time I checked, some 40% of Americans were on some sort of government aid. Keep that in mind as you think of the lowest turn out in American history for the last Presidential election. Appx. 1/3 of Americans didn’t vote at all. So of the 2/3 that did, the government dependants outnumbered the working voters and won the day by putting a socialist supporter of those same dependents in the White House.
    BUT! Now the rest of the voting poulation is seeing the light and the whole thing is going to go away starting in Nov 2010. Maybe there’s hope for some change after all. ;)

  • Allan

    Education wasn’t a factor in voting for Obama. It was timing, and most of all, people wanting to believe a charismatic speaker. It will happen again. Some folks could see that Obama’s past ties and lack of military, business, and executive experience did not make sense for a President. I would call that a result of common sense rather than education. “Community organizing” developed Obama’s ability to show people how to get money from government. That is exactly what he is doing as President.

  • Drew

    The Stimulus money or TARP was created and voted on during the Bush Administration. How is this Osama’s bill? The intentional misinformation about the stimulus package and health care has lead me to believe that facts no longer matter, socialism and the government take of health care is all a bunch of crap when you read the fact, adding 15 million people to medicare which already has 60 million people cover is socialism? READ BOOKS FOLKS. Using Glenn Beck as a source…my god we have become the USA of uneducated fools. The Bush tax cuts, which cost over 1.4 trillion dollars didn’t work, where is that information? The last quarter of the Bush administration had a negative GDP of 5.4 and we were bleeding 700,000 jobs per month, now we are not. By the way Bernanke believes that the stimulus package didn’t work for the long term not the short term, because not enough money was spent, I didn’t find that in your article. Have some ethics print the facts not the RNC talking points. Lastly, former Bush officials are now taking credit for the stimulus because it did work. You are another FOX News clone, disinformation disguised as facts…how sad. I am looking for an honest look at politics not your one sided crap.

  • Miguel Melgar

    You miss the point just as the others. The stimulus money enables the public to spend more, that is, to purchase more imports, thereby increasing the trade deficit.

    when I went shopping during the last holidays I looked at over 300 items in trhee different malls. Not a single item was made in the USA. I then decided not to buy anything for the holidays.

    If you cannot “do without” today
    You will “do without” tomorrow

  • Jana

    I have also been hearing about some of the pork that has been in this so called recovery fiasco. How is funding the arts involved in creating new jobs, when the arts are already funded through another bill. Plus the ‘arts’ people are donating part of that money to an organization that is run by communists who want to bring down this government.
    This was on Beck’s program the other day.

    Our dictator wannabe’s have been so busy pushing supposed health care reform that they could not be bothered to work on the economic problems of this country. They create new problems and ignore the problems we have.

    How is Obama’s proposal of the Gov’t taking over college loans going to help? It isn’t, its just one more government takeover.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    That is sad, when people dont exercise their vote, and let dummies decide things for them. Its a plain, shame. And actually, those same people will sit there and complain about things more than the rest of us, when its more than partially their fault this happened.

  • denniso

    J C…such higher ‘math’ you’ve done there. Too bad it’s only elementary arithmetic,and wrong,and comes to an absurd conclusion.

    First, 40% of Americans ARE NOT ON GOV’T AID!! that’s ridiculous and wrong.
    Secondly, voter turnout in the previous prez election was NOT THE LOWEST IN HISTORY!! Fact is, it was one of the highest in recent history.
    Thirdly, you presume that all of the people on some sort of ‘gov’t aid’(w/ your absurdly incorrect number of 40%)voted in the last election,while other voters didn’t turn out in the same percentage.

    You have been listening to big fat drug abuser Limbaugh too long, and you’re spouting pure lies just like he does,knowing that there are people who will believe anything. Shame on you…

  • JC

    denniso, Every single person working for useless government agencies a dependant, ergo, likely to support government largesse. They are welfare recipients with a desk.
    The point stands.

  • JC

    PS, I don’t recall ever listening to one single Limbaugh episode…or Beck for that matter. I have far too much to do to sit and watch TV.

  • woodsman

    I hope and pray that the voters that are seeing the truth about our government can muster enough votes to beat the ones that feed at the government trough. I think the crooks in congress have a plan for the up and coming election. They are going to grant all the illegal aliens
    amnesty and give them citizenship. Guess what !! then they can vote for all those good guys that gave them their free ride.

  • JeffH

    Raggs, agree. When will we ever be able to trust government? Probably never again in my lifetime.

  • usmadgirl

    Raggs,

    I just mentioned the National ID card in response to Michael J’s comment above. I didn’t see yours & DaveH’s comment about it before I made mine. If it’s NOT the mark of the beast, it’s the beginning of it. NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT…period!

    I’m so sick of watching all this happen that I have a really hard time dealing with the people who allowed this to happen by voting these thugs into office in the 2006 & 2008 elections!

    We all sit here trying to solve the problems with each other, but how do we go about solving it in REALITY! I’ve written MY representatives over & over, but they’re conservative (even Sen. Lamar Alexander who voted for the “jobs” bill, but is against the HC hoax)! I’ve even written Dumb-o-crat representatives in other states (one was Ben Nelson) begging them to vote with their values & not their Party, but they proved to me that they HAVE no values!

    We’re sitting here waiting for the inevitable to happen when we should be out on the streets protesting this constantly. I know most of us have to work, but how can we just sit by & watch our great country being destroyed by a few evil progressives? WE are the majority!

    What do we plan to do when all this unconstitutional crap is already in place, sit here & comment about it? We won’t be able to change it then! It will be LAW! I just feel helpless & worthless!

  • Joe H.

    Raggs,
    that is what E-verify is for. Make it permanent and make it manditory for employers to use it!! We don’t need no stinkin national ID card!!!!!

  • JeffH

    The words of Robert “DREW” Gibbs.

  • Warrior

    How does a tax cut cost anything?

  • American Citizen

    Yes, it was during GW’s administration that Democrat Congress created the TARP. But it was during Obama’s that the Democrat Congress created the stimulus bill which sent the debt soaring.

  • American Citizen

    The point is, thousands of jobs are still being lost. We are millions behind in job creation.

  • eyeswideopen

    Drew, OMG, did you see Warriors question? No wonder we are in trouble.

  • American Citizen

    It’s due to all the fuzzy math they use. Intellectual giants they are not.

  • usmadgirl

    Berberoni,

    You know as well as anybody that they DO see it, but that’s not their agenda! You know as well as anybody what their agenda is! Doing the logical thing that even we uneducated or un-elite stupid dummy heads can figure out, is NOT in their plan to “fundamentally transform the United States of America”!

    What did the people who voted for this scum bag actually THINK he meant by that statement? You don’t “transform” what you love & respect! I guess they just thought he meant that “evil Bush” would be gone, because until “Bawney the gay boob Fwank” allowed FNMA & FHLMC tank, our economy was pretty good!

    Oh my God! I’m watching Glenn & it just gets worse every day! I mentioned this months ago about the government taking over our National Parks because they were tanking! Did you know that our wonderful government owns 650 million acres of OUR land now, where ALL THE NATURAL RESOURCES ARE LOCATED. How convenient!

    And Nancy Pukelosi said a few days ago, “We’ll KNOW what’s in the Health Care bill AFTER it’s passed”! Well, I don’t know about the rest of you, buy I don’t want to buy “a pig in a poke”! I’M not THAT stupid & I don’t think most of you here are! This gets more outrageous & overwhelming every day – no, every minute of every day!

  • http://losthorizons,com Doug

    Yes Cannada’s Dollar definitely lost steam in 1984. But so did ours as we continued to ship jobs overseas.Somethings we already have is pure socialism but people are to stupid to see it. Eg 1)Car insurance. don’t have it they take your car away. 2 Licenses was put in place for the enemies of the state. Drive without one go to court so they can take more of your money. 3) Business licenses work without one go to court again and the list goes on. Get a clue America they have pushed a social agenda since WW1. I get tired of you democrates and republicans if you really want your country back follow Ron Paul who sides with the Constitution Party. He only Ran republican cause people in this country are ignorant and un-informed. Didn’t have a chance in a third party just yet. Maybe 2012. Doubtful, PS. look at all the illegals in this country over 700,000 just in Georgia and S. Carolina Im sure big business Repulicans want to ship out their slave labor. Get a clue it is all about greed. WE are not a socialist country it is worse WE ARE FASCIST and it is not Obama that started it. People with money have the Power and ultimate power corrupts. Enough said

  • ABinGA

    The ones in the projects which we tax payers are subsidizing watching their flat screens would love to have Obama run and win again. They could still live off of us. If you promise people like this something for nothing then sure they will vote for that person. If you live off of us tax payers, I believe you should forfeit your right to vote.

  • Peggy

    No, you are quite correct. “But I wasn’t selling,” Paul Krugman writes…

  • Conservative Carl

    Obviously the rules that Doc Sarvis would like for this site is that anyone who posts negative things about what Obama has done must also post negative things about George W. Bush’s presidency.

    You can be sure that in the past when Doc has critized Bush he also equally critized former president Bill Clinton! Or did he.
    It is true that George W. Bush was not a fiscal conservative and approved spending programs we conservatives did not want; two of them the NCLB education bill and the Medicare prescription drug plan, the last one being the stimilus package for labor union and banks.

    There now, Doc, I critized George W. Bush. Hope you’re happy.

  • Michael J.

    Physician, heal thyself.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Hey Doc, after listening to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC, along with every democrat that got radio or TV time over the last 8 years, I think there was quite enough Bush bashing that took place to last a life time. The propaganda networks of the democratic party bashed this guy, just to bash him, because realistically, they had nothing productive to bring to the table. They brought no answers, no solutions, no new plans, no ideas, just Bush, Bush, Bush. Thats it. Now its Obama’s turn, and you and your ilk dont think its fair. Well welcome to the real world pal, only this time, its the American people that are speaking out, and not the liberal networks, as they are very protective of their own. After one year, the guys record is filled with stench, and thats all there is to it. He is unqualified to be the president, and his staff is unqualified to lead this fine country. They havent a clue, and look at the messes they are creating. Of course, while your grandchildrens children are paying for what this guy does, you and your kind will continue the lie, and probably leave them writings blaming this all on Bush also. So sad you cannot see the truth. So sad.

  • Hello?

    Doc, how in the HE– is blaming the past going to fix the furture, just an ignorant same old, I suggest that you get your head out of your behind and do something positive . Bet you are getting government help.

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    No Doc – Not Bush. The mastermind was Cheney and poor Bush was the stupid fall guy for everything that came down the pike.

  • J C

    FDR’s solutions actually dragged the great depression on much longer than it would have gone had he just stayed at home.

  • J C

    Be wll armed and ready to defend youself against violent physical invasion.

  • J C

    The “Real ID” card? It’s an evil thing in every concept. You’re supposed to carry this thing because it has all your “info” on it.
    I can’t help but picture someone in a black uniform asking for it in a crisp Nazi accent…”You’re papers please”
    No way in hell!

  • Don

    That would be those uneducated folks who let their brain sucker in their living rooms chant change-change-change to them a couple thousand times, then went out and pulled the Bush lever,In 2000 then again in 2004 without knowing who the guy is, where he is from, what he has done, what he wants to do, what he stands for, or what he falls for. In fact, most of the damage he has done in tha last addministraion is still not known today, yet the uneducated voted him into office, to attempt to flush us down the toilet. What a shame. Shouldnt one have to be able to pass a common sense test to be allowed to vote? I would think so.

    Reply to
    Beberoni

  • J C

    Government produces nothing. Therefore “it” can’t pay for anything.
    What it does is rob Peter to pay Paul in an endless ponzi scheme of theft and fraud.

  • Michael J.

    Hello?
    “The trouble with Socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money”. Margaret Thatcher

  • Michael J.

    A tisket, a tasket, a Fema three man casket.

  • Dusty Embers

    You don’t mention anywhere that one-third of the stimulus was for TAX CUTS to the middle class. Aren’t tax cuts good???? Isn’t that what conservatives want?

  • Michael J.

    “Never let a good crisis go to waste”

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    We are still paying today for FDR’s lies and debacles. Social security payments anyone?

  • Peggy

    If a person is suckling at the teets of our tax-dollars for any extended period of time, that person shouldn’t get a vote. They’ve already been bought-off.

    I’m tired of getting in line behind people with carts full of soda, snac cakes, candy, rib-eyes, and t-bones, hauling out a food-stamp debit card, then cashing a government check. Its funny, because these same people have cell-phones, pagers, x-box, and blingage.

    If I am going to be paying for these bloated white parasites, at least make them eat healthy food, and take better care of their children. And when they try to propagate more parasites? Reduce the amount they scam from us.

    I know what you are thinking….and yea, some people do need assistance for reason well beyond their control. But it doesn’t take a rocket-scientist to see the difference between helping someone who needs help, and enabling someone who could be helping themselves.

  • scott

    why have,nt they impeached the —- yet,since it,s been proven in countless states that acorn was committing thousands of voter fraud for him.especially since he was in charge of them.not to mention his 100,00 bonus from aig.come on.

  • Peggy

    Union government jobs….

  • Ruth R

    ….and yet NO ONE will make a move to GET RID of this WRECKING BALL imposter??? No one says a word about anything, but just keeps wringing hands and saying “we will VOTE them out COME NOVEMBER!” Have you NOT PAID ATTENTION to the destruction he has done in just over a year, and you are thinking “wait until NOVEMBER”????? People keep chasing rabbits everywhere else, every time there is some kind of disaster SOME WHERE ELSE… and that tramp hillary is flying around in HER jet (that we pay for) committing MORE MONEY (diverted from AMERICANS!) from the imposter in chief to anywhere, anyONE else but America and Americans. WE have a DISASTER HERE! WE need to take care of the FIRST THING…get rid of the problem, and that problem is an illegal, fraudulent candidate holding office as president! He isn’t even using his correct name, if anything is to be believed, which is that his Indonesian step-father ADOPTED HIM, which would make his legal name SOETORO, so THAT is a lie…and he has SEVERAL social security numbers that indicate that he has run fraud THERE; there were all kinds of scandals about him getting blow jobs and snorting cocaine in the back of a limo DURING THE DAMN CAMPAIGN, but everyone turns a deaf ear and a blind eye. This SOB leads a CHARMED LIFE! GET OFF IT PEOPLE! IMPEACH THIS JERK, and THEN get on to the business of UNDOING everything he has ILLEGALLY put to hand, such as signing an EXECUTIVE ORDER making INTERPOL a SUPREME POLICING AGENCY here in OUR AMERICA, answerable to NO ONE, only him. Get the cobwebs out people! Wake the hell up!

  • usmadgirl

    Beberoni,

    Well said! Thank you & please remember me in prayer. I’m an independent real estate title abstractor. Work has been a little slow since September, but I’ve had 2 title searches this week @ $55.00 each! I have no other source of income; so I need your prayers!

  • Dennis

    Man right on brother.
    When you take GOD out of the picture and put your own agenda in, Well people what do you think ?

  • usmadgirl

    Beberoni,

    Just to add, I can’t apply for unemployment. If my work stops, I have nothing!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I will definately pray for you, and God does answer prayers, just be aware that sometimes as you may know, the answer comes in ways we dont expect, and all in His time, not ours. But I will raise you up in prayer. God bless you, and have a great day.

  • DaveH

    Madgirl,
    I can’t pray for you, but you certainly have my sympathy. I hope things work out for you.

  • libertytrain

    Sending good thoughts and prayers your way.

  • Joe H.

    USmadgirl,
    don’t really have to tell you as you already know my prayers go out to you as well!! God Bless and take care!!!!

  • Jana

    usmadgirl, I will be praying too.

  • usmadgirl

    TO: Berberoni, DaveH, Libertytrain, JoeH, Dennis & Jana,

    Thank you so very much!!!

  • usmadgirl

    Berberoni,

    Thank you for the kind words! I know that God’s timing is not my timing. HE’s never let me down even though I don’t deserve it. This is just a frightening time!

    I’ve never been wealthy, but there’ve been decent times & really bad times. My business depends totally on the real estate market & you know how that’s going at this time. 48% of my searches are for refinances 2% purchases & 50% foreclosures! What happened to all the money that was supposed to let the banks refinance mortgages about to go into foreclosure. My business is like a roller coaster even in the best of times for the real estate market, but this has been the longest “drought”!

  • Jana

    usmadgirl,
    The Gov’t. has started charging, or fining, you know another name for taxing the Banks etc. on any profits they make so they get bogged down and even though they have been mandated to make these loans, the Gov’t. is tying their hands in another way. It is a catch 22, with us as the victims. Thanks to Obama for another fiasco.

  • usmadgirl

    Michael J,

    My sentiments exactly! I’ve said for a year now that he’s going to give amnesty to all the 13 + million illegals who will all vote with the Dumbs.

    This criminal who’s intentionally destroying our great country will find some way to avoid the progressives losing the election this year & his election in 2012. Why do people think they needed to pass another “stimulus” bill (with the new “jobs” bill) when they haven’t even spent the first one? They’ll use that money to campaign FOR their candidates & AGAINST the conservatives.

    Now we have to face the National ID card issue. Can you say One World Government?!

    Unless we have Divine Intervention, I don’t have an optimistic outlook for our future! Everybody needs to pray for forgiveness for ourselves & our country! God Bless America!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Its not him, stop giving him so much credit. Its his left wing liberal party. He is just the figure head. He can do nothing unless they tell him to do it. He has no viable leadership skills. Listen when he talks. Those arent his words, those are straight out of the democratic parties left wing liberal hand book. Straight up.

  • JC

    No Vote = Lock n Load

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Im thinking, that he thought we were all as dumb as his blind followers.

  • JeffH

    Rahm-bo-deadfish probaly convinced him the voting public was a bunch of zombies. What he didn’t know was that most of the zombies would snap out of it. Thank god for that! Now, the real work lies ahead.

  • Jana

    Let’s see, what did Pelosi say yesterday? “We need to pass this bill so we can find out what’s in it.”
    They don’t even know whats in the bills they are passing. They didn’t know what the stimulus bill had in it and then they had one person to oversee what was spent. There are some real doozies in Congress.

  • trut

    I agree also, all Obama has to do is waste $4 trillion more dollars and he will be as bad as Reagan.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And you and I both know he will face more hurdles than the guy going to get his free handout. Way more, and it shouldnt be that way, but thanks to big government, it is.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Really. Hmm. Under Bush, my pay actually doubled in 8 years. In the first year under Obama, I took a 10 percent pay cut. But its not about me. This has happened all over America, and many have lost their job because of his recklessness, and many more to follow. The democrats caused the banks collapse, and you all want to blame Bush for that, instead of looking at the truth, ala one William Jefferson Clinton. We went to war to stop a madman, and did, because again, one William Jefferson Clinton turned a blind eye to it as they punched us in the nose again, and again and again, and did nothing. But then again, I can see by your post, your not interested in the truth, just Bush bashing, without mentioning one thing he did wrong. Clinton did a lot more wrong that what I mentioned, and if you care to examine my statements, be aware, the truth is there and I said it.

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    No Nat – every voter lost their vote in 2000. None of our votes counted because the Supreme Court put the man of their choice and party into the highest office in the land. I don’t know how you felt but I was madder than an old wet hen. To steal my vote and very few people railsd against it. WOW, smart voters. Yep, we’re definitely dummimg down more and more and not only in the class rooms either. Somehow we keep forgetting we are the Government. WHY is that?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I have seen this also, and for years. These folks buy a cart full of beef and pork that I cant afford working, they wear nicer clothes and shoes that I cannot afford, and then they go out into the parking lot and get into a vehicle that costs 10 thousand dollars more than mine. And our wonderful politicians consider them poor and think we should help them out, while they are basically plundering the country. Thats what you folks that make a living out of food stamps, welfare and unemployment are, you are plunderers of the United States of America, and shame on you for it. Maybe the politicians will wake up one day, and actually reward those that work hard for their things.

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    I agree Peggy – With the exception of the poor little children born into this life style. They do not get to pick their parents and they cannot make their parents raise them the way they choose to be raised. I would like to see my tax dollars used to sterilize these worthless pieces of dung and stop the continuous breeding of deadbeats generation after generation. Kentucky has the right idea. They will give assistance, but if the female gets pregnant again they lose it all. But then again they move into a new area and start all over again.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Not to mention, all those future UAW votes he bought with our money, giving it to GM and Chrysler, since they proved that they dont know how to run a business properly.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Since you called my your “pal” I would give you some advice. First, there is a lot of good information outside of the networks to listen to or better yet, read. Most television and radio news/commentary does not lend itself to thoughtful interpretation of global and domestic news. Second, I read selections from the full spectrum (right-middle-left) to inform my opinions. And just so you know, since we are pals, I’m an Independent and proud American.

  • Raggs

    On the one hand we have a radical leftist progressive so called Pres.
    In the other hand we have a public in need of a Messiah.

    For all of the rest of the population, we have a very serious problem.
    This country is going to the dogs and there is no stopping it other than a revolution… Currently the government is using any and all excuses to infiltrate our privacy mainly aimed at “terroist” and so called domestic terrroist as thier agenda. This is tyranny as we are to fear the government and are to be solely dependant on them. The safety of this country however is not the issue but an excuse to have a complete control in every aspect of our lives.

  • JeffH

    Don, from what you just wrote in your comment, it’s obvious that you haven’t PASSED that test either!

  • Rich W

    Don, I didn’t vote for George W because he was the best candidate.I voted for him because I figured he would hurt me the least. NONE of them are the best

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    If you say so Don. Now pass the crack pipe to your buddy. You cant even form an original thought, you have to copy. Shows your stuff right there.

  • Warrior

    So, what did you do with your stimulis money?

  • ABinGA

    I was refering to the ones that choose this way of life. The ones able to work but will not just to take advantage of the system in place. It must be nice to have someone else pay your rent, buy you food and give you free medical care especially when you have someone else living with you that is making money and is not reported as living there.

  • Joe H.

    miguel,
    If you want something made in the USA, buy a SOG brand knife!!! Ilooked for a long time for a knife made in the US as buck isn’t made here anymore and I found the SOG brand. Sharp little bas.ards too!!!

  • Hello?

    Hi Remmy. Gosh I appreciate you pointing out my short commings, must have hit a nerve somewhere. By the way, I don’t care about your ignorant opinion, why did you wast your time replying to start with. Some people just can’t take the truth. What I said must have some affect on your life. Are you a reciever? I’ll work really hard for you.

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    If you are directing that at me thank you and you are correct. I am stupid in many areas, BUT I am a brain in at least one area and when I learn where its at – I’LL SHARE IT WITH YOU. I am all for learning and hope I never stop. Not learning anything has got us in this pickle.

  • Hello?

    I bought a Snickers bar with my stimulus money but I had to draw out some of my savings to pay for it.

  • American Citizen

    Where in the Bible does it say the U.S. will be hanging by a thread?

  • Bob Wire

    I’m not sure how quick some of you think things are going to turn around for the better. Thirteen months ago we stood on the edge of a global economic collapse.

    As for myself, I wished it had, it would be “only then” we might know the names of all the rats abandoning ship and swimming to shore. It would have been hell for everyone except for the ones attempting to make off with the loot, making them much easier to identify.

    But that’s not the way it went down, not the way 43′s administration approached the problem, followed by Obama. Rather then allowing venture capitalism to work and bad business practices claim their just rewards, the losses were socialized. While profits were privatized with performance bonuses. “performance bonuses” Hmm? there must have been a lot of “high five” taking place at AIG.

    It’s going to take awhile to recover from such a mess, funds are still missing and not accounted for.

    As it stand today, we can’t even bring our troops home. Any stand- down of the military and troops coming home seeking employment would place us in a major economic tail spin, much like the 70′s when troops were pulled from Southeast Asia.

    Many of the troops presently serving joined up finding economic opportunities bleak several years ago and some for the insurance coverage for their families. ~~ So this ” sparse employment didn’t just happen today, but perhaps today it’s now knocks on your door, finally making it so very real to you.

    We are in a tight spot and it’s not over. That our leaders are at loggerheads and one party refuses to even engage the issues of the day, ~ saying they’ve got a better idea and it’s their way or “no-way” while it was under their leadership that brought us to these crossroads, the other party party slow to listen, being duped by smoke and mirrors for 7 out GW’s 8 years. WMD’s, aluminum tubing, ties to Al Queda, boggie men ~ The great northern bear no longer an eminent threat, a new one had to be created for the military complex to conduct R&D and keep the wheels a turning. Sounds good to me! besides, we needed a energy plan, not having one and there is was, in the sand of Iraq. It’s a Win -Win for everyone.

    The democrats are not going to let the GOP drive us out of the ditch they drove us in. They don’t have too. They won the election, call me dumb, but that’s the way it works. It worked so well for the GOP, why not the DNC?

    Actually ~ it doesn’t work well, our present state of affair should serve proof to anyone that might question it.

    I hope the rest of Americans have a better perspective of what’s happening here in America then being reflected here on this thread.

  • Dennis

    You don’t need to leave i know what your sayin Obama is a (offensive words removed) Communist.

  • Dennis

    Bring it on brother i know what your sayin, Obama will destroy this country thats all about his Agenda.

  • Bob Wire

    I concur with Don, it was a Karl Rove plan hatched long ago. Starting with voter redistricting here in Texas. Before any of you had even heard of George W. Bush. ~

    We had Texas Legislators hiding out, refusing to show up for a floor vote. It was that bad! A Warrant was issued for their arrest. Taking weeks to play out, the GOP won the day, come election “W” ousted a very popular and much beloved Ann Richards with the “new” redistricting in place. This was step TWO. ~ Step “Three” you have knowledge of by now. Political Office the final refuge of the incompetent. “W” had no credentials for the job. Neither does Richard Chaney if you bother to check his Bio. They have no history or education for the position they served and filled. Check out Donald Rumsfield, find out where he gained such great military insights that he could ignore the input of Top Brass, seasoned professional soldiers, West Point educated.

    and perhaps what might serve some best, ~ Do some serious digging on Glen Beck if you listen to his commentary, find out how he acquired such insights into the political process. What drives this man and what kind of home did he come from, the misfortune loss of two mothers by their own hand. Both were eager to leave little Glenny behind.

    You need to know who’s been serving you the thoughts you feel obliged to think. Who’s been validating your thought process.

    Misery loves company.

    Why else does Chaney & Rove keep popping up? dedicated to love of country? ~ they won’t go away! They have done the impossible and still have hope of continuing with Ruppert Murdock’s help.

  • Joe H.

    Dennis, I didn’t leave, I’m not going to let a little thing like facts run me off, I’m not a liberal!!!! I don’t run from the truth like some here!

  • scott

    right again denise.by the way,how,s the new hubby.

  • zeno c tharp

    dITTO HE IS A COMMIE WHO THINKS HE CAN DO WHAT EVER HE WANTS THE CONSTITUTION MEANS NUTHING REMEMBER HE WORKS FOR US NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND WE SHOULD USE ALL MEANS NESSESARY FOR HIM AND PEOLOSI TO GET OUT AL CAPONE JR WOULD BE PROUD OF HIM

  • Joe H.

    Warrior,
    Got a thought provoking line in an E-mail the other day. It goes: why is it I have to swear to tell the truth on a bible in a courthouse that can’t display the ten commandments????

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    Please all – lets keep this prayer circle going. Lets don’t break it. Just as much faith as a grain of mustered seed can move mountains. Lets constructively work together on this. One or two small prayers daily can only help all.

  • DaveH

    You know you guys and gals can all live and worship God in the Libertarian Party. And even better you can live the life of Tolerance that Jesus Christ preached. Like Jesus, we Libertarians don’t try to force our morality on others. We let others live and learn by their own mistakes, and we don’t let them pay for their mistakes with other peoples’ money.
    So, if you really believe in Jesus and his teachings, quit trying to protect others from themselves, get out of that controlling Republican Party, and make a difference for Freedom.

  • DaveH

    Citizen,
    I don’t think it’s intelligence they lack. It’s morality they lack.

  • Joe H.

    That came out in the wrong spot!!!

  • Joe H.

    like you here???

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    Hey Nat – When the going gets tough the tough gets going – don’t count us out yet.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Well lets see Gnat, are they not 0 for 3 in elections since then? Its going to get worse for them, as they keep screwing up more and more. It might end up that they get so divided, they dont even let Obama run for re-election. I think they will throw him under the bus by then. That is the kind of guys you are dealing with on the left. Watch them eat each other Gnat. Its all about themselves with the left. You watch and see. You can thank me later.

  • Joe H.

    USmadgirl,
    They want you to buy the proverbial auto without seeing it or kicking the tires!!!!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Nasty Pelosi. What a piece of work. Living proof that God has a sense of humor, to give us boobs like that to laugh at.

  • Jana

    usmadgirl,
    I saw that too. What are we saving all of these natural resources for? Our Children? By then it will be too late. But I remember that Obama stated during his campaign that electricity would have to go up, coal mining will die out, and fuel will also have to increase in price. He ran on this platform but all the gimme people heard were hope and change.
    He ran on hope and change without telling in too many details what it entailed. However, those of us who listened to what else he said knew it wasn’t going to be good for our country.
    He surrounds himself with Communists and Socialists and radicals like Bill Ayers who hates the United States. Again you know them by the company they keep. Besides the above, he surrounds himself with Chicago thugs and corruption.

  • DaveH

    They are certainly not saving the resources for our children. If they were that kind, they would never even think of saddling our children with the huge National Debt they are creating.

  • Jana

    DaveH, Exactly my point.

  • Joe H.

    We already have her….Eyes!!!!

  • Joe H.

    Jimmy G,
    you don’t plan on buying anytime soon, do you????

  • denniso

    WOW!!! Another foul mouthed rightwinger who can’t speak w/o using words that are supposed to be off limits here. You know you only show your own ignorance in talking like that…
    Beb above says that Obama supporters will complain loudest when things go wrong…Are you serious?? Have yoy read all the blowhard complaining on this site for the past several months? How could anyone complain and scream more than the rightwing has for the past year? Impossible.
    Myers,in the article, says that consumer spending got us into the mess we’re in so we shouldn’t spend now. WRONG!!! The greedy actions of the under-regulated financial sector along w/ some who bought too large a house for their income got us into this mess. 2/3 of our entire economy is made up of consumer spending,and until we restructure it we need people to spend and not horde their $$. If any of you want to get out of this recession you’d better hope that people start spending more in a responsible way. How else,in the short run do you propose to spark the economy if people don’t buy the products of our businesses??

  • scott

    rught again denise.but repubs are,nt anywhere near the low lifes dems are.commy,socialistic scum.

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    So very true Jana – So much garbage has been thrown into the mix for the specific purpose to cause its failure. We do not know what has been tossed into it. Look at all the trees they’ve wasted on so many pieces of paper and the time they’ve wasted playing their games while supposedly reading the information they are supposed to be reading to cast an intelligent vote for our country and her citizens. Why do we keep putting the same self serving doozies in office election after election? Smart aren’t we????

  • Jana

    DeeD, During the primaries I researched as much as possible all of the candidates that were running. Of course no surprise it was the Republican primaries that I was voting in. There were only a couple of people that I voted for that were incumbents, the rest were fresh new people. Still, almost all of the incumbents made it back in. Arghhh.
    People won’t learn. They vote for the familiar name. This is why the Congress men and women who have had a scandal and live through it get voted back in because people just remember the name, they don’t remember why the name is familiar.
    We have apathetic people who are too lazy to do their research and then we have those that are too busy to do their research.
    It doesn’t matter if people like denniso votes differently than I do, or you vote differently. We have each researched it out and voted our conscious and that is what we are supposed to do. At least we are each trying to be as informed as we can be.

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    Dennis – It’s been Obama and many more that were there before him. It’s all been a big game plan and we suckers seem to fall for every line – hook. line and sinker because we are the government and have allowed our employees do a very terrible job of running it. Shame on us all.

  • eyeswideopen

    JC, republican from Wisconsin, James Sensenbrenner is responsible fot the Real ID Act of 2005. He attached it as a rider to another bill, to get it passed. Obama and Ron Paul were flatly against this bill. It is being reviewed by the Judicial committee, as the dems have tried to repeal it on 2-28-2007 when they got control in early 2007.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
    Sorry, but you can’t blame this one on the dems or Obama. This was a repub idea. Fl. is already trying to comply with this piece of crap bill and it is causing people who have lived in this state for 50 yrs distress, as some don’t have their original divorce papers from that time frame. Mainly women having problems as we have the name changes when we get married or divorced.

  • eyeswideopen

    American, are you saying that it was ok to give almost a trillion to the banks, but not ok to give to middle class Americans? Please clarify what you mean.

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    I can recall ever reading that scripture but I do recall seeing the mighty nation being conquered from within like a thief in the night and we are allowing it to happen and abating it.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    It doesnt. But it does say that in the end times, there will be more frequent fires and floods and earthquakes, and that wrong will become right and right will become wrong, and we dont have to look to far to see that is true. He is coming, whether it be tomorrow, 10 years, or 100 years, or even 1000 years, He is coming. And regardless of what Nostradamus and the History channel and others say, no one knows when, except the Father. Even Satan doesnt know, but he has an Anti Christ ready for all generation to release when needed. I myself, choose to be ready now, as it is written, He will come like a thief in the night, when you least expect it. I myself find it extremely important to be ready for this even. But thats just me.

  • franktruth

    Warrior’s question,”How does a tax cut cost anything?” is excellent. Anyone who has the wisdom to follow the money and define his terms will discover the truth, and as Jesus said, the truth will set him free.
    When we know what “tax” is,(a mandatory surrender or confiscation of a portion of the fruit of one’s labor to pay for government)then it follows that all “tax” costs the person required to pay it.
    “Money” is a trusted medium of exchange that individuals agree to accept for the fruit(goods and services produced)of their labor. Prior to 1913 a large majority of the revenue collected by the Federal government from individuals(mostly adult men then)was taken INDIRECTLY from the several State governments. The “money” was gold and silver coined by the United States mint along with some paper “notes” that could be exchanged for gold or silver on demand of the person who owned the “notes” (paper currency). A Dollar was valued at the weight of 422 to 435 grain weight of silver or its equivalent weight of gold (at the ratio of 1:20).
    Why, you ask, does this matter?
    Three drastic changes in government occurred in 1913 that favor both socialism and fascism, but hamstrings free enterprise and individual liberty. These are: 1. The Federal Reserve Act which surrendered the authority of the United States Mint to coin gold and silver and print redeemable notes to a CARTEL of the six largest banks in the United States who manipulated Congress into recognizing this CARTEL as the “Federal Reserve(central bank) System”. 2. The 16th Amendment which allowed the Federal government to (eventually) tax citizens of the several States directly. And 3. The 17th Amendment which deprived the several State governments their representation in the Senate.
    So before 1913 neither the State nor the Federal government could spend what they did not collect from tarrifs, fees and taxes or borrow from banks or other nations. Government could not spend and tax, it had to tax before it spent.
    After 1913 the Federal government, in cooperation with the Federal Reserve, could issue paper money notes and ledger entries in excess of the gold and silver formerly held by the United States Mint. But the State governments could not. After 1913 the several State treasuries could not use the Federal Reserve to create money, but the U.S. Treasury could. That gave Congress the power to spend money it had not collected, and it was no longer necessary to balance the budget.
    Since money could be printed or credited without redeemable backing, then individuals lost their ownership of the fruits of their labor. That ownership was transferred to the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury respectively.
    So the answer to Warrior’s question since 1913 is: tax cuts reduce the draw on the fruit of your labor(which government owns)and therefore costs government whatever it allows you to keep for your personal needs.
    It’s time for all voters to stop blaming and praising politicians for their past words and deeds. It’s time for us to demand Congress dissolve and abolish the Federal Reserve, along with direct Federal income tax on individuals and repeal the 17th Amendment.

  • General

    Only god can help us now! Remember, GOD, GUNS and GUTS are what made AMRICA FREE. And god helps those who help themselves!

  • Michael J.

    Denniso,
    Well let’s see, Obama could anounce he is dropping HCR and Cap & Tax, round-up and deport illegal aliens, start utilizing domestic natural resources, keep Bush tax cuts. Disban Acorn, SEIU, ACLU, EPA and OSHA.
    And that should make the stock market rally and bring about a swift recovery.

    Trouble is , Obama doesn’t have it in mind to fix anything, but rather to dismantle Capitalism so that he may impose Socialism/Communism.

  • DaveH

    Denniso must be on drugs. That can be the only explanation for his ignorance. He’s been around pestering us long enough to have been able to learn what really caused the financial collapse and it wasn’t lack of regulation. Read some books Denniso, and spare us from your lack of knowledge.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Maybe you should go back and read my post before you blow off your big liberal mouth. What I said was those that didnt vote complain the most. I said nothing about Obama voters complaining. But I guess that just didnt suit your agenda now, did it?

  • KASI (AMERICAN)

    denisso,you obviously dont know enough about the lenders to have an acurate evaluation.Those so called big bad lenders are the same ones that give you and me oh sorry i money for our homes and cars but the government stepped in and made them lend to the subprime market because gosh darn it the poor deserve a house too.Doit or get fined so if the gov. said to you lend that person with no job $100.00 dollars or get fined $500.00 what would you do knowing theres a really good chance your going to have to take a loss government stay out of our way your just holding us back

  • Michael J.

    USmadgirl,
    The time for pulling punches has passed. We must now redistribute the truth. SHOUT IT OUT LOUD!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    When I say educated, I am referring to educating themselves as to researching the person they are voting for, and learning about them, not as meaning not having gone to school or college. I guess I wasnt clear, but being politically educated is a different animal than being school educated.

  • denniso

    The vast majority of Obama voters are much more educated,politically and academically than the McCain voters. I suppose you don’t remember the majority of Cheny/Bush voters being among the slowest and least educated voters ever…how well educated(politically and otherwise)are the good ole boys and rednecks who supported Shrub???

  • libertytrain

    denniso – your comment emits a feeling of racism toward a people and has an unflattering arrogance about it – but I’m probably just one of those uneducated good ol’ boy redneck types – so what would I know?

  • Michael J.

    Denniso,
    Obama voters more educated politically and academically, really? The Acorn registered individuals I saw receiving cigarettes multiple times in exchange for their signature did not look like students of higher learning to me. And how many years did Mickey Mouse go to college. Just because Chris Olberman or Keith Matthews says it, doesn’t make it so.

  • JC

    Obama supporting socialists are not “educated”. they are the simplest of life forms. Thieve who want to live at everyone else’s expense. Parasites. Sadly the Republicans fielded a zero candidate also.

  • scott

    there goes denise again,putting his big sat,liberal,idiotic foot in his mouth before trying to use his brain,instead of trying to prove someone wrong who is 100% right.it was the gov,t themselves who gave the numbers nit wit.yes they,re are more than 40% of americans on welfare or other programs.thats blacks immigrants,dot heads and all the others that voted for obama monkey.it,s also 95% of the ones dropping out of schol that he says is our fault,not theres.it,s also 95% of the crime rate in this country.it,s also 92% of the prison population in this country.why don,t you look it up in the gov,ts own stats.but most of all,open your eyes and start useing your brain.accept the facts and start handling all these problems as the racial problems they are.stop the bleeding heart crap and trying to blame everyone else for they,re own problems.you keep talking about treating everyone equal,but only as long as they get all they,re special rights because of they,re color.first they need to learn to act civilised before they can be.they all still act like they,re in the jungle.they need to be american,or african,or what ever,they can,t be both.scum like you made it a crime to be proud to be white.when we are the ones who founded this countrie and gave them the opprotunity to live better than anyone else in the world.and all they do is complain.you make me and every true american sick.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And I myself am starting to look the Independant way, as Im dead tired of the business as usual stuff that Washington keeps giving us. However, Im also sick of the Bush bashing, as that is all this current party did to get themselves elected. In anything in life, if all you can do is bash the other guy, that means you have nothing productive to bring to the table. I have again found this to be true in this instance. I admire the way the guy stood up for this country and wouldnt allow the enemy to punch us in the nose again. It needed to be done. I dont like the way they didnt reign in spending as I expected them to do, but I think all the attacks are just a bum rap rallied on by the left wing liberal media, and its old, he is gone, and they still beat on that drum, as they refuse to take responsibility for their current actions that are messing things up. Im for one not going to stand for it, and I will speak my mind. However, Im not locked into being a Republican, but I am locked into being anti liberal, as I see it destroying our country and the fabric of what we are made of. Have a good day sir.

  • Doc Sarvis

    And they are still bashing Clinton as well. While bashing for the sake of bashing is non-productive, there is a need to understand the history of our situations.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    That is not true Dee, and you know it. Every vote counted, except the millions of military votes that would have went to Bush, that werent needed.

  • Jana

    BB, That is true. They gave the reason that the military votes got in too late. OK, if they got in too late, whose fault was that? The Military or the vote collectors ( I don’t know what they are called, ACORN)? The Military did their job, they voted. Plus, they were in a war against terrorism, and for their votes not to be counted was WRONG!!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I agree Dee that something has to be done. We have to stop rewarding bad behavior with cash payouts to people. There are far to many kids having kids, that cant even take care of themselves yet, let alone a child. And I too feel for this child. Why do we have to take a test to drive a car, but we dont to have a child? I really dont know what the proper thing would be to do, but something has to happen. The status quo of giving more food stamps and more welfare money to those who continue to multiply when they cant afford it, has to stop.

  • Jana

    I agree with both of you.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Look at all the greed and corruption and just plain underhandedness in our Government, and in society in general today. This is a direct result, of living without God’s directives. Some like DaveH can live like that, and have respect for himself and others and be a genuinely nice person, but on a whole, it goes down the toilet, and we are circling now.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I agree Dee, and let us not forget, to pray our enemies, and those we dont like. Thats what we are called to do. I dont care for Obama one bit, but I pray for the guy every day. We all need it.

  • Warrior

    Not entirely sure but there may be a permissible truth curve that can be followed these days!~

  • Warrior

    Maybe you can assist Drew with an answer?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Tax cuts dont cost anything. They make money. Let me tell you how, as I have seen personally. Bush made tax cuts. My small business I work for then took that money, and they hired 30 new guys. Ok, their business tax was cut, but now youve got 30 people paying federal, state, local and social security tax. Youve got 30 people going out into the economy and spending money buying cars, grocerys, clothes, toys, games, whatever. They are spending money, creating sales tax, and making other business profitable. Now those business, if they are given tax cuts, can hire more people, and then even more are paying payroll taxes, and now the government has more money than ever in the tax coffers. But with the inception of Obama, business’s knew the tax cuts were leaving, and new higher tax bills were coming, so guess what, 15 of these 30 guys lost their jobs, and when these tax cuts are taken away as the dems said they are rescinding them, another 15 will lose their jobs, and maybe more. Millions across America. So there, I hope you understand, as this is a truthful factual account of how this works.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I myself would have let those collapse that needed to collapse, and I would have let GM and Chrysler go under, and let someone else who had a clue about how to properly run a business come along later and try their hand at it. I fully believe, that if they would have taken all that bank money, all the GM money, and all the Chrysler money, and divided it up equally for all of us people in America, that this would have gotten the economy rolling a lot more.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I get the same government help all of us have. I use the Interstate, state, and local system of roads, I enjoy our National, State, and local parks, I benefit from safty regulations in food, water, air, and medical care, I am secure by the military when it defends the country (as opposed to what’s going on in Iraq). I can say that I never used unemployment benefits and hope that I never do. I am glad that there are programs including unemployment, the ones I’ve mentioned and many others. I am proud to be an American and part of being a proud American is to help to support the good govenerment programs that exist even though a lot of what I mentioned and refer to above is labeled Socialism. We all benefit from many of these government programs.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I really didnt see anything wrong with your post at all. Im tired of the receivers lining up, waiting for the government to decide how to divvy up my money to give to them. Why is it, that it has developed into this country punishing those who work hard and try to get ahead in life, and reward those who want to lay around, be lazy and not get a job? How did that come about, and how did those in power not only allow it to escalate, but made sure they funded the escalation of it? How? Its so wrong.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I agree with the learning part Dee. If we dont learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. We have a government that has ran social security, and it is broke and failed. They run Medicaid and Medicare and they are both broke and failed. They run the U.S. Postal service, and it is broke and failed. They run our public school systems, and they are broke and failed. And now there are those that apparantly want them to take over the best health care system in the world. Like I said, if you dont learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. I agree we need to learn Dee.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    At least you got something. I didnt get squat. I wonder how that woman I saw jumping up and down on TV saying how Barack was going to pay her mortgage and her gas bill feels? You and I know it didnt happen, but does she feel abandoned? Did she really expect this to happen? Makes me wonder.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And a lot of people dont know, that my Honda CRV, made here in America, has more American made parts on it that a lot of Ford’s and Chevys. Just because it has an American name, doesnt mean the parts all come from here. They dont.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Im definately middle class 50 grand a year. I didnt get no tax cut, none at all. How do you rate?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Actually, this ditch you refer to. We werent into it, until the last year of the Bush admin, where we all knew he couldnt run again, and no way we were going to elect 150 year old John McCain. Or I should say, no way 150 year old John McCain could get republican voters to come out and actually vote for him, so everyone, including business, knew Obama was going to win, and it was at that point we started heading towards the ditch. Now after a year, the dems have escavated the ditch and dug it deeper and deeper, and still digging. But I like the preceeding years, all but that last one, where the lame duck sitting president couldnt do anything because a democratic congress made sure of that. Or, you could just ignore the truth. Thats on you.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Theyve been out of office for over a year now. Will you ever be able to move on, or has the hatred consumed you? Let it go Bob. Move on. Weve major problems created by those in power now. Major, major problems created by those in office now. Lets address that issue, and put your little finger pointing away. Those guys are gone, and they arent coming back. Its over Bob. They are gone. New guys, messing up. Capish?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I agree. The Fed is rotten, run by foreigners, and needs to go.

  • Warrior

    Frank,

    We should all give 100%, no tax cuts will ever be needed. The gov will provide for all our needs. That’s pretty simple. How do we sign up?

  • Durward

    Awesome Annalise of Trudeau’s reign, I constantly tell people that at the start of his reign Canada was second only to England in living standards and forty eighth by the time he left not to mention on the ropes with the IMF, few people in Canada know how close we came to the IMF declaring Canada bankrupt and they would have if not for the hated GST tax instituted by Mulroney to fight the debt(taxpayer leverage or slavery to the bankers, call it what you want, it’s reality in Canada thanks to Trudeau’s idiot socializing of Canada).
    My Father fought in WW2 for Canada against his kin in Germany, after Trudeau his point was why did we bother to fight socialism in Europe only to institute it here, had he known what Canada would become, he says he would not have fought in Europe.

  • Warrior

    But, who would build electric cars?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    To Warrior – Probably G.E. , in Mexico of course.

  • Jana

    I meant a 36″ TV

  • Jana

    Well Doc, I guess you are alone in your feelings about Iraq as Biden has claimed this is one of the accomplishments that Obama can brag about on how successful Iraq has been.

  • DaveH

    This country is being destroyed by the government programs that you think benefit us.
    Government rarely spends money as well as the people they took it from would have.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I really doubt I am alone. If Vice President Biden does not agree with me that is his problem. There are lots of folks who think the war in Iraq was a complete waste of too many lives, American and otherwise.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    You say we all benefit from these government programs. Let me examine this. Unemployment? Ive never benefitted. Social Security- I pay into it, but will never be able to take out, as it will be expired in 15 years when Im due my payback. Welfare – never collected a cent. Food Stamps, never collected a cent. WIC – never collected a cent. Hand outs from food banks or any government agencies, I have never collected a cent, allthough I have donated freely. Medicare and Medicaid – I have money taken from my check every week, yet I have never received a cent. The public school system – I pay and I pay and I pay, and my children have been out of them for 5 years, and I still pay and will have to the rest of my life, yet I get nothing from them. So, these programs, and believe me sir, there are many many others that give money to people who do not deserve them, and they have benefitted me in no way, shape or form, so I find your statement that they benefit us all to be in error.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Beberoni,

    You’ve never been on an interstate or state highway? You are not glad we have the best military in the world? You are not thankful that children in schools are getting an education so that they grow up to become good citizens of this great country? You would want those who have lost their job due to no fault of their own and are down and out to sleep in the streets outside your house? Amazing! And in my opinion, very selfish.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The streets and highways I pay taxes that are supposed to be used to maintain them, thank you very much. The school system I pay far too much taxes for, so they can build indoor swimming pools and football and basketball arena’s, and the school system is a real success isnt it? Its an out and out failure, because its not run correctly, like it would be if it were a private enterprise whose longevity would require them to do it right. Well, Unless your GM and Chrysler and the dems bail you out so that you will vote for them later. And being unemployed, Im sorry, but Its not selfish of me to expect people after a short time, to get a job. Ive had to do it 4 or 5 times now, as places I worked closed. And being that I have no college degree, and Im not a rocket scientist, but if I can do it, no reason others cant. Im sick and tired of people laying around, smoking and drinking and having a good time, while Im working and paying for it. You bet Ive got a problem with that pal. They need to get a job, and their are jobs, but see, people got this pride thing, that they are too good to work this job, and too good to work that job. In the meantime, the government tells them, dont worry, stay off work longer and we will just tax people more so we can pay you more and longer. Its wrong on so many levels.

  • Dave Shaver

    Yes, the Obama agenda. To institute socialism/progressivism/communism you first have to destroy the old, through violent revolution (ala the Soviets) or slow deception (ala “progressivism”) The people don’t matter,it is the “utopian vision” of a new society, blah, blah, blah.
    God help us.

  • Louise

    I remember George H.W. Bush saying in an interview he would love to see a Bush Dynasty in American, that sounds like a dictatorship to me.
    This interview was given on 60 minutes before the election in 2008. He was wanting Jeb to run for President.

  • Jana

    Beb.,
    We can all see the results of people not having any money to spend. The economy is in a major slump without it. The Gov.’t. steals money from the people(called taxes) to give back to the people but then has to charge the people more because the Gov.’t wants to grow. The only ones who lose here are THE PEOPLE.

  • Charles

    If Reich or Krugman were to tell me that it was raining outside, I would have to go out and see if I got wet before I would believe them.

  • DaveH

    Good one Bebe.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The above post was for denniso, who cannot read, or chooses not to read what the words really say.

  • JC

    They hear what they want to hear Beb.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I wish he would.

  • JC

    I’ll pass on the guys who are loyal to the New World Order gang. GHW Bush most certainly is.

  • blackhat

    Maybe true…but, I don’t think Bush ever said he would like to fundamentally change America…wasn’t that the oman?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And that is the biggest problem Dave, they pay for mistakes with other peoples money, ours. Its not right. Im ready to switch, as Im not tied into one party, but I am tied against the Democratic party, because they are an immoral lot. When I listen the lies that are continually spewed out of the mouths of Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden,and Barack Obama, and John Kerry, and John Edwards, Hill and Billy, formerly Ted Kennedy, and just the whole lot of them. They think they can say anything they want, blow out blatant lies, and expect us all to believe them like sheeple. I have no respect for them, and cannot and will not vote for them, and this is from a guy who was born and raised democrat, but fled from them 11 years ago. I do declare, they have JFK rolling around in his grave, and he was no saint himself. Im looking for a new party, as the Republicans have ticked me off, that if for nothing else, they failed to reign in spending and growing government, though it pails to what the dems are doing. I also do not like the way the democrats kicked them and kicked them and kicked them, and they lie there and take it, when they should be exposing all the dems dirty deeds to the utmost, but they dont seem to want to fight back much. If the Independants arise, they better have spotless guys, as the libs will send hundreds of private dicks and reporters to dig and dig and dig, and when they find nothing, they will fabricate things like they did against Sarah Palin, and get away with it without repercussions for it. They better be prepared to fight back, because if they try to appease the democrats, they will get blown away, as appeasement doesnt work. They need to show a strength on National Security, or we will start getting attacked right and left. I myself am against war, but I do believe when it becomes necessary, to actually go out and do it with all the force you have at your disposal, or dont do it at all. All these middle eastern terrorists countries making threats and coming after us, and training people to attack us, well, Im sorry if you all disagree, but Id have to turn one of them into a sheet of glass, and ask anyone else if they have any questions, and it would save a lot of lives in the long run. If you want someone to listen, you have to speak their language, so if the Independants get organized, speak a language of national security, a strong America, fair government for all, freedom, protection of the Constitution, the right to bear arms, to protect capitalism and the free market, Im all in Dave.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    McCain running on the Republican ticket is why Obama won. I mean come, did they really think a 150 year old guy who was a career politician, could get elected? Big mistake. Palin/McCain just might have been a better bet.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And the ones who win, and the ones who did it all wrong in the first place, the banks, GM, and Chrysler, and all those who refuse to work. These groups all get rewarded, and us working folks get penalized by being expected to pay for it. Unreal.

  • Warrior

    That damn Bush, he stole $1.4 tril in tax cuts from the have nots and let the have’s keep it to themselves. Curses!!!!

  • Jana

    Mike in MI

    Romans 1:22

  • Jana

    BB, Now days it seems everyone hunts for a job on the net. No one goes OUT job hunting, they run to their computer. Personally, I still think going into the place of business and handing in the resume shows gumption and also gives them a chance to see the person asking for a job. I have heard the retort,”Well, you still have to hand in the resume to the receptionist.” But not all jobs have receptionists. The smaller businesses don’t. And if they did, ask if you can introduce yourself to the boss. Try anything, a little ingenuity goes a long way.

  • Jana

    Plus, McCain stopped campaigning for a few days. He actually lost the election due to his lack of fighting ability.
    The sad thing is in Texas we didn’t have a choice of who we wanted to vote for in the primaries. It was a done deal by the time it got to Texas. I think that needs to change too. How they run the primaries for Presidential candidates. It all needs to be done on the same day.

  • Jana

    BB, I don’t know if I agree with that particularly. I think Obama is a narcissist and he is dangerous.

  • Jana

    Eyes, he is a RINO, and we all know that their are several of those in office. Just like we all know that there are also several good Democrats in office too. There are good and bad among us all.

  • JC

    You didn’t see me blaming anyone in particular did you?
    I’m just trying to explain a wrong thing.
    What the hell is it with you guys and your finger pointing any way. like a bunch of children…

  • JC

    PS EWO, I am neither a misguided Republican nor a low life Democrat.
    I figured it out you see.

  • JC

    And that in a nutshell, is Obama’s chnage…kind of like Castro’s change isn’t it?

  • trut

    The Bush tax cuts for the Elites is what cost the nation $1 trillion in lost revenue that had to be borrowed from China. Thanx Bush GOOF

  • JC

    Its typical rabid Obamunista behaviour. The shrieking kind.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    Thankyou John for telling the truth.
    AND, AGAIN, there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats, WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT GETTING THIS?????
    Obama was hired as the CEO of the nation.
    He wasn’t elected by anyone, he was hired by the real power behind the faux US government.
    His directive is to bankrupt the country, just like lesser hirelings have been doing to American companies for some years now.
    How is he doing? He’s doing the job, plus some. It couldn’t be moving along better for the monsters behind the curtain. Freedom has been pissed away by social programs which entice weak humans into a total dependency state, and then they put floride in the water, and blow toxic chemtrails on us all ect…We are all in grave danger whither we like it or not. It’s a great time to consider the state of your eternal soul and perhaps search for something greater than what this world has to offer…

  • blackhat

    Dee I know you mean well…but, do not throw the whole country under the bus. There is and always has been a voice in the wilderness of reason and voters who look for the right candidates. While it may be true that many are to blame for voting to elect officials on the basis of “what will you get for me”, there is a small minority that have held the course. Wait, if I’m a minority…do I get special treatment?

  • blackhat

    Annie…there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats…That is the new dem talking point. Why? Because it will divide the conservative movement. Remember what happened in NY State.

  • ray klouda

    the only reason for the push for healthcare is payback to andy stern.he wants a return for his investment.70 percent of stimulus went to obama campaign supporters.

  • JC

    Fair enough…although it was Geo.HW Bush that was setting the stage for the New World order. And the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…

  • JC

    There’s some truth to that.

  • Norm

    I totally disagree with the “5th possibility”.

  • JeffH

    Obamas real agenda is headed by none other than George Soros.
    Hillary Clinton, on June 3, 2004 said: “I have known George Soros for a long time now… We need people like George Soros, who is fearless, and willing to step up when it counts.”

    George Soros help pay for Lynne Stewart’s defense? According to FoxNews – The O’Reilly Factor (Oct. 16, 2006), Soros gave $20,000 to the lawyer of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahmed, the convicted plotter of the 1991 WTC bombing. Lynne Stewart was subsequently convicted on terror charges for taking a message from Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahmed to his terror group which encouraged them to proceed to commit other terrorist attacks.

    The Shadow Party is the real power driving the Democrat machine. It is a network of radicals dedicated to transforming our constitutional republic into a socialist hive. The leader of these radicals is … George Soros. He has essentially privatized the Democratic Party, bringing it under his personal control. The Shadow Party is the instrument through which he exerts that control. … It works by siphoning off hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign contributions that would have gone to the Democratic Party in normal times, and putting those contributions at the personal disposal of Mr. Soros. He then uses that money to buy influence and loyalty where he http://www.earstohear.net/soros.htmlsees fit.

  • JeffH
  • JeffH

    What I’m trying to convey is that the problems that we the people are facing with our government is much larger than what anyone might think. There is a reason for NATO in the eyes of some very evil people, and the manipulative “terrorist” George Soros is the root of this evil. There will be some that dismiss this as a Soros hate phobia, but every time I research this guy, I find more and more bad stuff about him.

    The Shadow Party is real and its efforts are amplified by, and coordinated with, key government unions and the activist groups associated with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/ShadowParty.asp

  • JC

    And why would we need jobs? Sounds good to me Warrior! ;)
    NOT!!!

  • KASI (AMERICAN)

    trut,back when our late great gipper was prez we were facing the russians (ever heard on the cold war that we won thanks to Reagan,) so the majority of the money that was spent in that era was on military (which carter cut drastically to help pay for his mess)anyway that money that did go to the military went to the private sector via sublet contracts with PRIVATE companies like um boeing besides the one place money should be going is to our military.Everybody has seemed to forget about the constitution,declaration and the bill of rights (OUR FATHERS ROADMAP)but the left and some on the right REFUSE to follow it much like their voters because they have all sold out stealing our money its time we wake up america and take our land back its our constitutional duty to do so

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And your a lyin arse.

  • scott

    no one in hystory has spent as much money in the entire hystory of the united states,thats all money ever spent here,that obama stole in one shot.he,s the biggest lier,theif,and racist there ever was and don,t compare scum like him to a great man like reagan.if you simpletons rememberbut of course never want to admit to the facts,repubs had the house 12 yrs correct.in all that time we had good employment,economy was great,and things were good.you idiots took over and within a year and a half of your idiotic thinking and stealing,i mean spending,you put the country into another depression.buck up and take responsibility scumbag.you and all the other monkey lovers.

  • keith

    TAX CUTS???WHERE???I HAV’NT SEEN ANY ON MY END!!!!AND I’M A WORKING MIDDLE CLASS GUY.PURE CRAP!
    IF OBAMASS STATED SH*T STUNK.I’D HAVE TO SMELL IT FOR MYSELF BEFORE I’D BELEIVE IT!TAX CUTS,HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA,FROM THIS MARXIST???? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

  • keith

    what a wishy washy spineless copout remark!what horse hocky,get a spine!with thinking like that,you’ll no doubt let anybody ride rough shod over you,at least you voted and for bush!

  • scott

    thats right denise.right and wrong and political correctness are totally opposite.yet thats all the scumbag politician go by is political correctness,not whats right or wrong.if they went by what was right we would,nt be in this mess the countries in.

  • scott

    nope,your white.the only minority in this countrie who is one,but does,nt get treated as one.you just get the bill for the blacks to run in the streets and act like gangsters.

  • scott

    george bush fought for what was right,not what was politicaly correct.he was a great man and stiil is.still visits our men and makes sure they have what they need.obama could,nt be forced to because he does,nt care.or that ugly scank of a wife.she said she was never proud of this countrie until monkey boy got elected.whats that say.we need to impeach the scum now.all the rest are gone in nov.hurray!!!!!!!!!

  • scott

    wrong,repubs are,nt as filthy and greedy no matter what the cost,like dems.the only way to stop corruption is to put rules and guidelines in place that they can,t break or use to control the other party.or us.they work for us remember.when you don,t keep a close eye on your employees of course there going to be corrupt.like any other office that works for us.especially the criminals with badges.the people need to grow some nuts and quit worrying about they,re little part of the world,band together and make it happen.thats how we made this countrie and the only way to keep it free.

  • scott

    amen,thats exactly what we need

  • scott

    thats fools in case you were,nt smart enough to figure it out.

  • http://PersonalLiberty John

    Being smarter than a rock won’t save you from an avalanche. Dumb rocks, in large numbers, win every time.

  • G. Obert

    Deniso is a perfect example of why we are in this mess right now, this person doesnt even make sense, yes there was some greed on wall street but who do you think the bozos were that bought too big of a house with a mortgage that they couldnt afford provided by who? Freddie and Fannie!! With stamps of approval from that idiot Polosi, Bernake, and the Homo Barney Frank and hey wait lets not forget about Harry Reid or our one and only, the first president ever elected without a birth certificate or any of the other 14 documents required by the constitution. Feed at the trough baby, give up your rights look the other way, one day the government will be feeding off you and it will be too late, better yet leave this country go to Candada Russia, China or anywhere that takes another left wing loser off this hallowed ground, the united states of america!!!

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