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Obama’s Plunging Popularity

June 21, 2013 by  

Obama’s Plunging Popularity
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What a difference a month can make. Last month, a majority of Americans said they liked the job President Barack Obama was doing leading this country. Today, that’s no longer true, according to the latest CNN/ORC International poll.

In May, according to the pollsters, 53 percent of Americans said they approved of Obama’s performance, and 45 percent disagreed. Now, 54 percent say our Teleprompter in Chief is doing a poor job, while 45 still support him.

CNN reported:

The overall decline in his approval rating was partially fueled by a plunge in support from younger Americans, a huge base of Obama’s support.

Last month, nearly two-thirds of those in the 18-29 age group gave the president a thumbs up. His approval rating among that bracket fell 17 points in Monday’s poll and now stands at 48%.

And it isn’t just Obama’s personal popularity that has suffered. In every category that was measured, Americans have become more negative about Obama’s leadership:

  • The number who thinks he’s doing a good job on the economy fell by 2 points, from 44 percent who supported him in April to just 42 percent today.
  • Obama’s handling of foreign affairs has also taken a hit, with his support here dropping from 49 percent in April to 44 percent today.
  • Approval of his leadership on immigration is down even more, falling from 44 percent in April to just 40 percent, according to the CNN pollsters.
  • Americans have an even lower opinion of Obama’s leadership on our deficits. His approval fell from 38 percent in April to 34 percent today.
  • The scandal over the government’s surveillance of Americans’ phone calls and emails has also hurt the president. Just 35 percent say Obama is doing a good job here, while 61 percent disagree.

And it isn’t just Obama’s leadership on important national issues that has taken a hit. Our trust in the man personally has also fallen, according to the poll. Last month, 58 percent of respondents said that Obama was honest and trustworthy. Now, that number has dropped to 49 percent. (Among my friends, the number is closer to zero.)

And here’s what may be the best news of all: Nearly two-thirds of the people who participated in the poll responded affirmatively to the following question: “Do you think the federal government has become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens, or not?”

Yes, 62 percent of the people surveyed say that the Federal government poses “an immediate threat” to our rights and freedoms. Isn’t that wonderful?

Given all of this, you won’t be surprised to learn that a huge majority of Americans now believe that the country is heading in the wrong direction. In the most recent poll by Real Clear Politics, only 31.3 percent of Americans feel the country is on the right track. While almost twice that number, 59.4 percent, says the country is on the wrong track.

Clearly, despite all of the efforts of the mainstream media to defend and excuse the present Administration, the wave of recent scandals is taking its toll — as well it should. When the Justice Department targets respected journalists as potential criminals, the Internal Revenue Service harasses patriotic organizations and the National Security Agency collects billions of phone records and millions of emails from virtually every citizen of the country, no wonder so many fear and mistrust our leaders.

And we get new evidence almost every day to support our position. One of the latest examples concerns the government program to give away free cellphones.

Have you heard about the scandal over the “Obama phones”? It’s a mind-blowing example of how the welfare state has run amok.

It started as one of those ideas that liberals just love: Give poor people access to telephones, to help them look for work and call for assistance in case they face an actual emergency. And thus the Lifeline program was born.

But guess what? Turns out that giving folks something for nothing leads to all sorts of abuse and corruption. And thanks to some conservative activists armed with a video camera, we can see for ourselves just how rotten the program has become.

Investigators for a group called Project Veritas took their hidden cameras along when they applied for some of the free phones. They told the people processing the applications that as soon as they got them, they intended to sell the phones and use the money to buy drugs.

“No problem” was the typical response. One representative even suggested the investigator visit a pawn shop, to find out how much cash he would receive. “Yeah, I don’t care what you do with it,” the clerk can be heard to mutter.

In another encounter caught on tape, one of  Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe’s investigators says she has to sell “a lot of phones” to pay for her Louis Vuitton handbag. The woman dispensing the free cellphones makes it clear that her job is just to give away the phones — not to question what the recipient will do with it.

Oh, one rep did point out that selling the free phones was illegal — but then suggested “pleading the Fifth” if caught. The Project Veritas video illustrates this last point with another knee-slapper — a clip from IRS official Lois Lerner pleading the 5th Amendment in her appearance before a Congressional committee last month.

We have Project Veritas and its founder to thank for this maddening report of how taxpayer funds are being so badly misused. You may remember the group from the exposure it did back in 2009 of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), one of Obama’s favorite “community activist” organizations. ACORN employees were caught on camera promoting child prostitution, human trafficking and tax evasion.

As a result of the scandal, the House and Senate voted to stop all Federal subsidies to the group. The U.S. Census, which had provided many of the grants that funded the organization, severed its ties with the organization. Ultimately, ACORN was forced to disband.

We enjoyed a wonderful victory then. Now, we’ll discover what lawmakers will do when presented with undeniable evidence of fraud and deceit in the $2.2 billion Lifeline program.

By the way, if you’re one of the suckers who actually pays for your telephone service, take a closer look at the next bill you receive. You’ll see a “Universal Service Charge” somewhere on it. That’s the fee you pay to help fund this $2.2 billion giveaway.

I’ll grant you, having a majority of Americans say they mistrust and fear big government isn’t the same thing as getting them to vote for candidates who will actually do something about it. Nor is it the same as finding candidates who will keep the promises they made back home once they get to Washington.

But Obama’s plunging popularity means a lot of our friends and neighbors share our concerns. Our job now is to get more of them to agree with us on the solutions.

We’ll find out next November how good a job we’ve done there.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Harold Olsen

    I’m amazed Obama’s popularity is above.001 %. The guys a scumbag. I remember when Clinton was in office and his popularity was at it’s lowest point, our local NBC affiliate did a commentary stating just how extremely popular he was and how high is popularity was. This same affiliate, when Reagan was in office and his popularity was at it’s highest point, they claimed he was one of the most unpopular presidents in the history of the country. So, I’m sure they will continue to tout Obama’s extreme popularity.

  • rwm1254

    talking about Obama is the worst thing since Richard Nixon. Obama couldn’t shine Nixon’s shoes. Everybody had jobs. He hated illegal immigration. And Nixon said you Americans are not gonna work cause you want to work. You are gonna work cause I’m putting you to work (from 14 on up) Time to get out and help mom and dad pay the bills. You think this moron Barrack thinks like that.? He will go to Mars and find an alien w/ antenna ears to do the same job that an American can do. And make it look like more of a travesty for them than us.

    • rmwayne

      The only thing I had against Nixon was that he took us off the gold standard. Big mistake which caused lots of inflation. But Obama is the worst president in this country’s history. And the worst thing is that the left wing extremist national media supports him no matter what. Between the mainstream media and Hollywood he has his own propaganda network. And, of course, the low information idiots out there believe everything they say and that he can do no wrong.

  • rwm1254

    Roter Rooter down the drain, and away your troubles go down the drain-Roter Rooter, Roter Rooter

  • MysticInvestigations

    45% is still too much. We need to get that down to at least 25%. Until then nothing will change.

  • KG

    The reason why our president, Mr Obama, is popular is because he actually wants to help common Americans. When the republicans said that they wanted to make him a ‘one term president’, I think then many people in America realized that the ‘Conservatives’ were going to do absolutely nothing to actually help America recover from what the “good christian bidness entrmanuers” did to us in 2008. Most people here at PLD think that helping Americans is “unpatriotic’ and ‘wasteful’ and that hard working Union members are ‘criminals’ and ‘thieves’ we in actuality, they are your neighbors. America is great when Her workers are great. The only ‘freedom’ you greedy bourgeoisie capitalists are going to loose is the freedom to abuse and shortchange American workers.

    • hippybiker

      Maybe thats whats wrong with you. You’ve been smokin too much of that Wacky Tobacco. You need to get out of mom’s basement more often.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Or is it Wacky Tobaccy?

    • smknnjoe

      Marxist rhetoric at it’s finest…..quit drinking the KKKKKKOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL ade KG

      • Average_Joe56

        Around here, we refer to it as “Fool Aid” or “Tool Aid”…we try not to insult the folks a t Kool – Aid…. by associating them with these fools and tools….

        • smknnjoe

          Got a point there….since so many of them are slack jawed mouth breathers another apropo term would be Drool ade

    • Frank Zappa

      HEY DUMMY:
      Hey McFly the middle class is vanishing before your very eyes, are you that stupid so that you can’t see what’s going on here? Do You even get the fact that the dollar buys less as wages go down or they are NOT keeping pace with inflation? Have you noticed that food, gas, clothing and everything else costs more, that taxes are through the roof that there is no way to pay down the national debt? DO YOU get the fact that “Obamacare” has cost the average American family a LOSS of wages to the tune of at least 3 Grand this year alone??? Just exactly what is PLD? Is this some cult or other form of DOPE you Smoke? Or something you suck on? WHAT? See you overlook that current government programs have cost people jobs reduced hours of work etc. in that employers cannot hire people they would otherwise hire because of government overreach and regulations that is why your “UTOPIA” does NOT work and will NEVER WORK. You are living in a Frigg-en “Dream World” and certainly NOT REALITY. So what can I do to get you some help to get off the Drugs before it’s too late….for you it may already be too late??? You state that when “America Works” or American Workers we are basically a great Nation….America is going out of business because everything here in this country is being shipped overseas, so HOW can America work when the Jobs are going By By?

      • Average_Joe56

        Frank,

        In case you haven’t figured it out yet…KG is one of our resident trolls. Don’t feed the trolls….it keeps them hanging around.
        You cannot reason with a troll, it isn’t in their nature. They feed on discourse of any kind…and if none exists…they create it. Don’t fall into their trap…ignore it and maybe…just maybe…it will go away…

        Me thinks that they have been eating the “deadly yellow snow” for far too long……and have become the “slime oozing out from our TV sets”…and into the public realm.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Qw3Foa_XE
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHHvqncASrI
        Short of starving these trolls by ignoring them…nothing will stop them…not even “zircon encrusted tweezers”……
        ;) (can you tell that I am a Zappa fan?)

        • S.C.Murf

          Brown shoes don’t make-it quit school why fake it. Remember the days yes indeed. Just found out kg is actually obama, talk about patting himself on the back.

          up the hill

          airborne

        • Dave

          Yes Frank, Avg Joe is on to it

          A differing opinion upsets the conservative apple cart. We need everyone here to agree. That is the conservative way…

          We need to prevent trouble makers like KG from expressing themselves and if we can’t stop them from posting, just throw the words “Socialist, communist and marxist” around at them. Who cares if it is accurate. Its just makes our conservative “hearts” feel better to call others a name we clearly don’t understand.

          Always remember, a being a conservative means never having to be responsible or to say you are sorry. If a conservative does screw the country up like Bush did, call them a neocon. never forget also that Reagan was a great conservative even though today’s GOP would call a person with his record and policy a RINO or worse… LIBERAL.

          So be a good conservative, blame everything on Carter, Clinton and mostly Obama and whatever you do, never ever compromise to get something done, never accept new information that may disprove what you believe and keep big money in politics so the wealthy can continue to look out for you my making the laws you enjoy since Reagan was in office.

          Now lets listen to both kinds of music, Country and Western, stick our collective heads in the sand and pretend that Reagan was our savior and that America was moral at one time and it was those darn liberals and progressives that ruined it all.

          • Average_Joe56

            Dave ^

            Troll number 2 raises it’s ugly head…..adds it’s opinion (and nothing more) as usual.

            “So be a good conservative, blame everything on Carter, Clinton and mostly Obama and whatever you do, never ever compromise to get something done, never accept new information that may disprove what you believe and keep big money in politics so the wealthy can continue to look out for you my making the laws you enjoy since Reagan was in office.”

            I don’t recall doing or saying any of those things that you’ve mentioned in my post, nor have I defended Bush…(never have and never will)…hmmmm…just make it up as you go?

            Now, you can listen to both kinds of music, Country and Western, stick your collective heads in the sand and pretend that Obama is your savior and that America was moral at one time (it was, before progressives) and it was those darn Libertarians and Conservatives that ruined it all, but it won’t change the reality of how we got here.

            “Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.”
            John F. Kennedy

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            For those Folks who aren’t familiar with Dave’s Propaganda techniques:
            What Dave calls Conservatives are just Neoconservative Progressives who, like Liberal Progressives, want to build Government ever larger to ram their pet desires down everybody else’s unwilling throats using our own pocketbooks. How nice. Hey Dave, I want a new car and I want you to pay for it.
            All Progressives are the enemies of the real producers because they cannot fund their programs without taking the real producers’ wealth. Ignore the Progressive Shills like Dave who are here primarily to confuse ignorant people and keep them from learning the reality of Big Government. They are not here to help you.
            Big Government is the Problem NOT the Solution.

          • Dave

            DaveH continues to lie his JeffH off and tries to convince others that I want bigger Gov to fix all the world’s ills… So sad he can’t come off the conservative propaganda playbook even once.

          • JeffH

            Me thinks Dave47D has anger issues?

          • vicki

            All we have to do is read your posts Dave and it is clear what is your intent. I have noticed that there seem to be more than one “Dave” so it will become a bit confusing at first but again the content of your post will tell us much about which Dave you are.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KG has said he advocated Communism, Dave. So yeah, we can feel free to call him that.

          • Ringgo1

            Dave, Dave. You appear beyond repair…

        • Frank Zappa

          Good point Average Joe:
          KG does seem to be the local troll so I do agree. Too much dope. I promise (Raise My Right Hand) not to feed his drug induced brain, or what’s left of it.
          Yes I recognize the Zappa reference…Especially “The Slime Oozing out from the TV set. Certainly a Brilliant artist, one of the best from the 20th century. How about “Thing Fish”? I remember the album (his first one if I am not mistaken) “Freak Out” and “Susie Cream Cheese” for sure was great. Dynamo Hum…

      • KG

        OK, let’s think the last 30 years through. It’s 1980 and America is in a severe recession primarily caused by recently “de-regulated” S&Ls in competition with larger banks. Reagan and the Republicans in the House agree to a corporate tax increase, but initially refused to cut military spending or raise income taxes. However, the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 was passed, and eliminated many “middle class” deductions, and was actually the largest tax increase since WW2. In 1982, Democrats win 26 seats, the largest margin since the Watergate year 1974. A slow, yet firm, recovery begins allowing Reagan to be reelected. While a general economic recovery seems to be happening, government spending goes through the roof – primarily on defense spending (remember Star Wars?).

        The new and very fashionable Boston Consulting Group introduced the “strategy matrix” under which businesses were divided into stars, cows, dogs and question-marks, according to their growth prospects and profitability. Stars, the businesses with the highest growth prospects and profitability, were to be nurtured and given resources, dogs, of low profitability and low growth were to be closed down, and question-marks, of high growth but low profitability, were to be given modest resources to see whether they turned into stars or dogs.

        The whole operation was to be paid for by milking the “cows”, those businesses of low growth but high profitability. Cows, as their name suggests, would be denied capital investment, since such investment should not be wasted on low-growth situations. Instead, their cash flow would be milked to provide capital investment for the stars and the more favored question-marks (remember “hostile take-overs”).

        The focus of American business changed from a building focus to a financial focus. So, instead of building better products, they decided to start shipping operations overseas to increase profits, NOT because of the ‘high cost of labor’.

        It came to a head with the S&L crisis of the late 80’s. The implosion of the Defense sector, due to the demise of the Soviet Union, destroyed thousands of jobs in Aerospace as well as technology. Bush had to RAISE taxes to prevent an implosion of the government as well.

        Now, it’s 1992, America is in another severe recession caused by shaky banks and an exodus of manufacturing jobs overseas as well as in Mexico. Clinton is elected on a wave of popularity not seen since Roosevelt. In a combination of increased government spending domestically as well as the explosion of technology, America recovers. However, in a bid to quell republicans threats to Clintons domestic policies, NAFTA is passed destroying more American jobs while the financial sector benefits greatly.

        OK – it’s 1999, the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (three republicans) is passed destroying the last of banking regulations that stabilized the banking industry during the Great Depression. The last hurdle to insurance and Stock brokers drive to rape the American people of their wealth. 9-11, another recession, deregulated banks, at the request of Greenspan(An Ayn Rand acolyte), start their inflation of the housing sector creating an artificial recovery.

        And so we get to where we are today. What do you think?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Isn’t this plagiarism, KG?
          http://www.majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/hutchinson_on_the_murder_of_us_manufacturing/

          Not that I expect that to phase a guy who believes in stealing money and property from others using Big Government as his proxy thieves.

          • KG

            Well, when you deal with the truth it would make sense that many thing would sound familiar. However, the parts that I may have ‘cut and pasted’ came from different sources than you suggest.
            You see, unlike FOX or The Washington Times, I didn’t check with the GOP for the proper ‘talking points’.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You may have “cut and pasted” from different websites, but the content came from a Martin Hutchinson article.
            But it doesn’t matter where you grabbed your content, the point was that you plagiarized it.
            You could have simply cited the author, but to do that wouldn’t have accomplished your goal of feigning intelligence, would it?

          • KG

            Like I’m NOT the only one who does that? Half the crap people write on these “blogs’ is ‘cut and paste’. I would never claim that any Ideas I express are completely my own. Besides, if I could do that, I’d be writing books for fun and profit. But, just think, you get all of this opinion for free! You should be grateful! But, thanks for the tip. I’ll look him up and see whats from the horses mouth.

            “Nothing is real.”-John Lennon

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel free to point them out when they do, KG.
            Meanwhile consider yourself busted.

          • KG

            Tell me one thing that’s incorrect about my timeline.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don’t know or care about that, KG. I’m talking about your fraudulent activity, which highlights the fact that you have no credibility.
            Many people would come to that conclusion based solely on the fact that you endorse a political system that steals money from people as well as Forcing them to do things that they don’t want to do.

          • KG

            Well, if you don’t like participating in our government, you are always welcome to leave. But, if you feel the need to still stay and enjoy the benefits of a society, then be prepared to participate in it’s success. Oh, that’s right. You worship the Ayn Rand notion that Man isn’t dependent on his fellows, but the purpose of civilization is to free man from other men. Which Spock would reply “…that’s illogical.” The benefits of freedom come from a free society, and we all know “…freedom isn’t free.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I hate to burst your bubble, KG, but you aren’t “society”. You are just one lone Commie-loving Forcer and Thief.

          • vicki

            Benefits? >40% of your hard earned wealth taken at gunpoint by “society” is a benefit?

          • KG

            If you enjoy the freedom and domestic tranquility, then it’s worth it.

          • vicki

            Freedom? nearly one half of all you work for is taken from you and you call it freedom? We had lots of domestic tranquility in all the years before 1913 and paid a LOT less in taxes for it.

          • KG

            Well, Somalia is an option. They pay little taxes and you can walk around with automatic weapons as well!!
            Bon Voyage!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We’re going to send you to your workers’ paradise — Cuba. I’d say North Korea, but you aren’t worth the ticket price.

          • KG

            [comment removed due to incredibly intelligent response]

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can be funny at times.

          • vicki

            Why KG. How delightfully consistent of you.

          • Randy G

            KG you forgot the phrase ‘Lack Of ‘ between to & incrediblty.

          • vicki

            There are many options. One of the best is restoring the Constitutionally LIMITED Republic our founders intended.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you kidding us, KG?

            I had more Freedom and tranquility 40 years ago when Government was 20% smaller than it is now.

          • KG

            Ah, yes. “The good old days.” When Negroes knew their place, and Women stayed pregnant and in the kitchen. When workers could work in Asbestos and not wear proper safety equipment. No “Internet”, no PC’s, no cellphones, no VCR’s.

            Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average- 850 Average Cost of new house-$32,500.00
            Average Income per year- $12,900.00
            Average Monthly Rent- $175.00
            Cost of a gallon of Gas- 40 cents
            AMC Javelin car-$2,900.00
            A Dozen Eggs -45 cents

            You had about a 5% chance of being a victim of a crime.

            Today, it’s about 1.5%.

            http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ldah6rdp6ukvngoyqi1fcg.gif

            About 25% of workers were Union.

            Today, It’s less than 10%.

            http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Union_membership_in_us_1930-2010.png

            And real wages have dropped.

            http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_productivity_and_real_wages.jpg

            As a worker, or proletarian, I feel safer now, produce more now, and yet, I’m being payed less.

            http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_productivity_and_real_wages.jpg

            I’d like to think that TODAY is the “good old days”
            But, we still need labor unions to cheek the power of the Industrialists, or Bourgeoisie.

          • vicki

            Fun with statistics. It is interesting that your chart on crime starts in 1973.
            ——————————————————————-
            “Crime rates have varied over time in the United States. American crime rates generally rose after World War II, and peaked between the 1970s and early 1990s. Since the early 1990s, crime has declined in the United States,[5] and current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s.[2]

            The likelihood of falling victim to crime relates to both demographic and geographic characteristics.[5] Overall, men, minorities, the young, and those in urban areas are more likely to be crime victims.[5]”
            ———————————————————————
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

            Note in particular

            ” current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s”

            BEFORE the GCA when guns were readily available and the laws (with a few interesting exceptions) punished MIS-use of the tool instead of possession.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m Libertarian, KGB. If my party ruled, there would be Freedom for all. If you did your homework, you would find that much of the injustice to various minorities was delivered by Big Government, or caused by Government meddling with the association choices of Free People.
            As an example, many of the places I worked at did everything they could to avoid hiring women or blacks, not because they thought they would be bad employees, but because they knew if they did turn out to be liabilities, the company would have to spend a fortune to get rid of them.
            In a Free Marketplace, those idiot employers who discriminated against good workers would not be able to compete against those who were smart enough to hire the best employees. They can only get away with it now because their Government protects them from Free Markets.
            I used to load bales of Asbestos on belts where they were fed into nearby mills. The air was saturated with asbestos fibers. I’m 63 and to date have had no lung problems. Of course that doesn’t prove anything, but we didn’t need Government to meddle. We were perfectly free to refuse the work and find another job if desired.
            And to state that we would not have cell-phones, PCs, VCRs, and Internet without Government is just pure bull scat.
            I contend (and with a lot more logic) that we would have those things and many more if non-productive Big Government wasn’t siphoning off a very large portion of our wealth for themselves.

          • KG

            quote:”As an example, many of the places I worked at did everything they could to avoid hiring women or blacks, not because they thought they would be bad employees, but because they knew if they did turn out to be liabilities, the company would have to spend a fortune to get rid of them. ”

            So, “racial and sexual discrimination” is true. Thank you for confirming that. BTW, that’s the reason the black population is so large in public housing. Instead if it being a temporary home until one could get a job, they became trapped because no one would hire them. And you just confirmed that fact. Both sets of my grandparents lived in public housing after WWII, but were able to get good paying Union jobs, and so were able to eventually buy their own homes.

            DING! DING! DING! YOU WIN THE KERNEL KLINK KLOSETED NAZI AWARD!!!
            Here’s your iron cross: +
            Wear it with dignity at all KKK functions.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You apparently missed the part that it was a result of Big Government meddling, KG. A Big Government that you promote and want to be even larger.

          • KG

            Was it ‘big government’ that made you a racist? Or was it always there?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “You had about a 5% chance of being a victim of a crime.
            Today, it’s about 1.5%”.

            I call BS on that. Crime stats for the US:
            http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

            1960 Total US Crime per 100,000 — 1,887.2
            1970 Total US Crime per 100,000 — 3,984.5
            1980 Total US Crime per 100,000 — 5,950.0
            1990 Total US Crime per 100,000 — 5,820.3
            2000 Total US Crime per 100,000 — 4,124.8
            2011 Total US Crime per 100,000 — 3,295.0

            1960 Total US Violent Crime per 100,000 — 160.9
            1970 Total US Violent Crime per 100,000 — 363.5
            1980 Total US Violent Crime per 100,000 — 596.6
            1990 Total US Violent Crime per 100,000 — 731.8
            2000 Total US Violent Crime per 100,000 — 506.5
            2011 Total US Violent Crime per 100,000 — 386.3

            Note that the crime rate skyrocketed almost in lockstep with the increasing number of gun control laws, and then when gun ownership and concealed carry started regaining ground the crime rates started dropping:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

            You have no credibility, KGB.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “About 25% of workers were Union.
            Today, It’s less than 10%”.

            For good reason. People have learned that Unions are set up to benefit the Leaders as with most large groups of people.

          • KG

            No. Workers have been ‘brainwashed’ by the Religious Right that the only way they can get a raise is by cutting taxes on the rich. Then they equivocate womens heath issues with ‘murder’ even though there are two stories of infanticide in the Bible and G-d saw no need to stop them.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Plagiarism in an effort to make himself look intelligent. Now where have I seen that before? Oh yeah — Flashman. How coincidental.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Those who think any industry has been “deregulated” needs to read this:
          http://www.scribd.com/doc/93023823/Wayne-Crews-10-000-Commandments-2012

          Changing from one set of regulations to another set of regulations is NOT Deregulation!

    • BUD USMC

      KG. The same old lip from you every day are one of Obama robots? Stop and think if you can, with out the capitalist you union guys would not have a job, unless you move to Mexico and make jeans or overalls. What a wonderful idea.

    • Don 2

      You know KG, with all the possible new illegals entering the workforce under a new immigration bill, maybe the Dems won’t need you union guys votes to stay in office anymore? Some estimates are up to 46 million new voters before too long, if a bill is passed. Seems like getting rid of expensive union workers down the road, in favor of cheap labor, might actually be something that works for everyone, politicians and corporations both.

    • Sarah417

      Obama received 62 million votes. 11% less votes than 2008. Romney received 3 million fewer votes than Obama. 2 Million people did not vote for reasons unknown. American families making less than $30,000 a year (low information voters) put Obama over the top. This group making $30,000 or less included Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and women. Romney garnered significantly more votes with white males and independents. As you can see Obama is not as popular as you would like to believe.
      Obama and the Democratic party NEED the Amnesty Bill to pass in order to keep the Democratic party alive. They desperately NEED the Black and Hispanic vote. Not such a good scenario is it?

      • Dave

        Obama had a bigger margin over Mitt than Bush had over kerry and Conservatives called Bush’s victory a “mandate”… My have times changed eh?

      • mamamia

        I don’t know Sarah…. sounds like maybe the republicans desperately need the amnesty bill to pass to keep their butts afloat. If there are millions more hispanics (who generally vote democrat) seems to me your theory is backwards.

        • Sarah417

          The GOP is hanging by a thread as it is. If the Amnesty Bill goes through the GOP is history and there will be a third party in 2016.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      KG says — “The reason why our president, Mr Obama, is popular is because he actually wants to help common Americans”.
      No, KG, he SAYS he wants to help common Americans. Nobody is helped when money is stolen from the producers to fund the non-producers (largely Big Government). As in all Socialistic systems the net result is that the Producers quit producing, and the Non-Producers become even more worthless and destitute.
      The only people who win with Socialism are the Leaders. They know that. Do you?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        A quote from Thoreau, “If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life”.

        Do you think KG would understand what is meant?

    • rmwayne

      ROFL…..I just made a comment about the low information imbeciles who believe Obama can do no wrong. You KG are a perfect example. Go spout your idiotic communist nonsense to somebody who might be stupid enough to fall for it.

  • Frank Zappa

    Obama would not even make a good Pimple On Richard Nixon’s A$$. At least Nixon would NOT use Air force 1 as his Private vacation mode of transportation, as he thought it a bit too tawdry. Obama and his outrageous travel plans force tax payers to foot the bill for his philandering, and waste of tax payers cash so he could have a good time, and of course IF we disagree with his outrageous and recent 100 Million Dollar vacation which are the latest of MANY that the media does not report, then we are of course RACISTS, in that the “White Man” OWES him for all the oppression that we put on this poor Kenyan POS, just ask “Reverend Wright” if there is ANY doubt. All it took was about 40 years for this perception to change from “Consideration” [Nixon] to YOU OWE ME [Obama]. This is the prevailing problem with this nation in general, and is NOT BIASED in “RACE.” In a time where Americans are struggling to find work and making every effort to find a job you would assume that Nobama would set the example of being frugal…..AH NO, NOT HIM, and MOOCH-HELL with all the little Chillens…Don’t forget all their friends that they invite at tax payers expense.
    As a side note Mooooochell needs to get a wardrobe designer before she leaves the White House, if anyone does a “Look-up” on the clothes she chooses to wear at certain events she gets the worst dressed award for sure.
    IF it were possible for this POS to just pass away I for one would have no issue or remorse, excepting that then we would be stuck with “PLUGS BIDEN” which I am not certain that there would be much of an improvement, then next in line would be Nasty Nancy Piglousy, which has the common sense of a single cell Amoeba. WTF is going on in this country, and not to mention yet another scandal involving Diane Frankenstein, and he alleged husband “Richard Blum.”

    • KG

      Whoa, frankie baby! Chill out and smoke some doobie.

      DING! DING! DING! YOU WIN THE KERNEL KLINK KLOSETED NAZI AWARD!!!
      Here’s your iron cross: +
      Wear it with dignity at all KKK functions.

      • Frank Zappa

        KG: No Deal, No Dope, NO EXCEPTIONS PERIOD:

        You apparently represent either Sigmund Fraud or Karl Marx, (Which One) where by you think re distribution of wealth is the answer or that you feel that it is OK for a president to use his executive office to force Americans to abide by his will and his every whim. Apparently you seem to think that liberalism is the way things should be an that we are on the correct course as America degenerates to a third World power. I do not affiliate with the KKK or the Nazi regime, and for that matter neither should you. Likely that your brain is so addled with drugs that you no longer can see what is happening to this country that we live in. So how many drugs are you under the influence of presently??? Your “President” that you admire so much is only Half Black or did you overlook this obvious fact???

        So what kind of welfare are you on and have your choice of drugs arrived yet for this month? Hope they come soon so that while this Nation slips further down the road to nowhere you can enjoy the ride.

        I know it is hard to work for a living but you should try it for a change instead of watching life go by watching CNBC, ABC, LSD and all the other TV that appeals to the liberal mind. apparently you failed to read the balance of what I wrote because IF you did you would understand that I mentioned Biden “A White Boy” and also Nasty Nancy Piglousy, a “White Girl” but lest I forget liberals can’t read or are too moronic to get all the details straight which of course tells me that you are a DRUG ATTIC. My advice is keep up the good work so that when you die the gene pool will be a bit cleaner. I really hope that you did NOT reproduce any offspring in that I am not so sure that they would survive. In your case you get the Darwin Award, and the Fickle Finger that fits you so well……

        • KG

          Your response tells me that I was right.
          Is it 4;20 yet, bro???

          • Frank Zappa

            So what are you “Right” about? Keep reading IF you can. Just as I posted that you do not have any answers and that your brain is fried for all the dope that you and all your Union Buddies are on 24/7. Looks to me as if your dope is all that you have or ever will have because this is your default response. Union, Union, Union……Moron, Moron…Let me make it simple for Ya wash rinse repeat. You should be able to follow simple instruction???? Maybe

          • Dave

            Frank,

            Be honest, who has more power in politics? the Unions or Corporations?

            To give you some help.

            All labor unions combined spent $177 million on the 2012 election. Corporate interests spent $2.6 billion in the 2012 election campaigns

            What say you?

          • Don 2

            Corporations today, give as much to Democrats as they do to Republicans, because regardless of which party is in power, the corporations want a say in the game and favorable treatment.
            The Unions on the other had, contribute almost exclusively to Democrats.

          • Dave

            Thank you mamamia, for agreeing with what I said… Dems and Reps are paid by the same masters. Unions constitute 6% of the entire US workforce and corporations out spend unions 15 to 1. The war is almost over. The Corporations won. So prepare to make less money, have working conditions deteriorate, less benefits and have all of it the law of the land because once Unions are finally dead, only Corporations will be left to lobby Congress and they really do care about you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            When have corporations forced anybody to do anything they didn’t want to do, Dave?
            On the other hand, Unions do it routinely.
            http://mises.org/daily/6333/Labor-Unions-Thugs-And-Storm-Troopers

          • Dave

            Hmmmm

            Ford, before Unions routinely hired thugs to beat workers who dared asked for a better wage.

            Today, we have Foxconn who engages in harsh tactics on workers that is supported by the Gov of China and like you, oppose unions to the point if you date start one, 15 years in prison you get.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If indeed that did occur, and I doubt it, then Ford was engaging in criminal activity. But subsequent Union Violence would still be wrong. Two wrongs make a right only in self-serving Liberal Progressive minds.
            More likely was that the Union Thugs were engaging in violent activity and just getting treatment in kind, or Ford was defending its property.
            But feel free to post some evidence to back up your conjecture, Dave.
            Some reality:
            http://mises.org/daily/1604

          • Dave

            Narrator: As his family life deteriorated and his company’s
            fortunes declined, Ford turned his attention to a new threat. Union organizers
            had set their sites on the auto industry. The passage of the 1935 Wagner Act,
            which guaranteed workers the right to organize and bargain collectively,
            emboldened the United Auto Workers. Following a six-week strike, General Motors
            recognized the union. Chrysler capitulated three months later. Henry Ford
            resolved to fight.

            Greg Grandin, Historian: Ford imagined himself as elevating
            the living conditions of the working class. But he hated unions with a passion,
            viscerally. He disliked them in principle. They were a challenge to his power, a
            challenge to the notion that the River Rouge was his.

            Narrator: Ford decreed that no one at Ford Motor was to meet
            with union officials, or discuss labor matters with anyone. Except Harry
            Bennett. In April of 1937, Ford authorized his head of security to “handle” the
            United Auto Workers. Bennett promptly declared that the UAW “was irresponsible,
            un-American, and no goddamn good.” On May 26, 1937, union organizers arrived at
            the Rouge and began handing out leaflets entitled “Unionism not Fordism.”

            Nelson Lichtenstein, Historian: They knew that in order for
            the union to be secure in the industry, they had to organize Ford. And they had
            invited photographers. They wanted photographers to come. They wanted to show
            the country that leaflets were being distributed and workers were being
            recruited at the Ford Motor Company to join the United Automobile Workers.

            Narrator: Bennett’s thugs were ready. The Ford security
            force grabbed most of the cameras, but a few photographers got away. Pictures of
            the company’s brutality were published in newspapers across the country. Through
            it all, the aging carmaker remained resolute, determined to keep the union out
            of his company.

            Steven Watts, Historian: While his emotions are pulling him
            into the past, there’s this almost primal urge in his character to keep control
            of what he created. The Ford Motor Company is his baby. He built it, and he’s
            going to hold onto it.

            http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/transcript/henryford-transcript/
            There you go… Unlike Mises, this actually occurred.

          • Don 2

            Oh stop will ya, yer mak’in me get all teary-eyed…..boo-hoo

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Crony Capitalists and Unions both want to stifle competition and get special privileges.
            Two wrongs only make a right in Liberal Progressive minds.

          • Frank Zappa

            Yup By far the corporations:

            I can tell you and I agree in that the politicians are beholden to the corporate structure, that said the unions supported the Moron that we currently have in The White House. SO comes the question how do you get rid of the corporate influence, and how is it that everyone gets the country back to its “Rightful Owner” which are “The People.”? So we have an effective 1 party system, an Oligarchy, in other words by the rich for the rich.

            Politicians are interested in one thing and one thing only and that is to get “Re-Elected.” Unions however are “Obsolete” and will soon die because of the corporations an their influence. Thus this country will slip further downward as an economic power and the dollar with it. DONT forget all of the illegals and the diminished capacity to vote democrat. As I see it the Demoncrats are a party of “You Owe Me.” Show me where I am wrong!

            While I could write for hours about the ILL’s of this country I don’t honestly have time. I DO know how to fix the problem and NOT just me only there are others that have the ability to fix current problems but that will NEVER happen, as this country is on a collision course for disaster VIA a shadow form of government.

            Oh yes before I forget the MOST important fact VOTER FRAUD. Nobama received so many campaign contributions that were Illegal I can’t tell you where to start. Obama WAS caught speaking with Putin making statements like “After The Election” I will have MORE flexibility….Remember that?
            So What Say You?

          • mamamia

            If you don’t get his sarcasm Frank…. oh never mind.

      • Frank Zappa

        Yup I got the 4:20 Message and the “Bro” Crap. First of all I Ain’t your “Bro” second you never answered the question, because YOU area certifiable MORON, and that just like the true liberal that you are you have confirmed for me that you are in fact retarded, and that liberalism is a “Mental Disorder.”

        • KG

          “….better recognize your brothers – every one you meet” -John Lennon

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        SSDD, eh KG? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
        Benjamin Franklin
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

      • mamamia

        LOL. I know right?

        • KG

          You made my day!

    • momo

      Nancy Pelosi wouldn’t be third in line. It would be John Boehner.

    • mamamia

      Your post sounds like a middle school student trying to come up with the most cool words of criticism contest. Cannot be taken seriously. So childish… it is sickening.

      • Frank Zappa

        Let me guess:

        How could I miss it, You are a brilliant intellect and how could we ever measure up to your level. So tell me what level of input do you have IF any. What is it that you have to say that has any substance to it at all? Tell me what exactly it is that is so repulsive to you assuming that you have capacity to do so?

        I do see that you speak or in your case (write) as a person that has a paper A$$H*le and without substance, and that you fail to make your point, so I must have hit your “Liberal Nerve.” I always can tell when I hit the liberal right where it hurts because they “Always” react just like you.
        The problem is that it is virtually impossible for you to attack my post on a logical basis because you can’t. I assume that Obama is your “god” and that he can do no wrong. See if you can put that in your crack pipe and smoke it!

  • Motov

    It’s all a game, And the POTUS sets the example for all to follow. Ever heard the expression GiGo? (Garbage in Garbage out). This is how he stole the election. As long as his hired “flunkies” are willing to abuse “the system” for whatever purpose they see fit, the crap will just continue to get worse until it can no longer be subsidized.

  • village idiot

    49% think Obama is honest and trustworthy! No wonder the Country is in such trouble. Those 49% had better seek help urgently as they are clueless!

  • village idiot

    Being popular does not necessarily make one competent! Amazing what one can achieve by being deceitful and smiling broadly as a means to hide one’s inadequacies.

  • Al Chemist

    It is hard to believe that it’s 45 %, but there could be that many people on the dole…and then there are the liberal/commie idiots who are going to support him no matter what.

    • Don in Ohio

      Looks like Romney’s 47% was pretty dam accurate!

  • Warrior

    I gotta say, the video of the “flexible one” and Vladimir sitting next to each other yesterday was an absolute classic. Awkward!
    I suppose, the decrease in “popularity” could be attributed to the new college grads just discovering there is a “weak” job market. It just couldn’t have anything to do with this regimes “scandals” because “gumby” knows nothing about them.
    Well, we have been trying to tell you for the past five years the guy is a tool. Can you hear me now?

  • Vigilant

    “Ultimately, ACORN was forced to disband…We enjoyed a wonderful victory then.”

    A hollow victory at best. ACORN reorganized as a set of new organizations, such as New York Communities for Change (NYCC), the prime mover behind the OWS debacle.

    • JeffH

      Thanks goes out to James O’Keefe for at least busting up ACORN.

      ACORN International is now Community Organizations International.
      Then there is Affordable Housing Centers of America formerly known as ACORN Housing and New York Communities for Change, Missourians Organizing for Reform, Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment, New York Communities for Change, New England United for Justice in Massachusetts and Arkansas Community Organizations.

      ACORN by Any Other Name Still Smells Like an ACORN,

  • Vigilant

    Bob:
    “Did you hear about the Obama administration
    scandal?”

    Jim: “You mean the Mexican gun running?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean SEAL Team 6 Extortion 17?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the voter fraud?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the president demoralizing and breaking down the military?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the Boston Bombing?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything
    else?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the president wanting to kill Americans with drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy it was sold to the Chinese?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The IRS targeting conservatives?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and right after they declared bankruptcy 3 months later the Chinese bought it?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The president’s ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons and falsely blaming the sequester?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The president’s threat to impose gun control by Executive Order in order to bypass Congress?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The president’s repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The president’s unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate’s advise-and-consent role?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “HHS employees being given insider information on Medicare advantage?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters stuck us again with the most corrupt administration in American history?”
    Bob: “THAT’S THE ONE!”

    • Warrior

      And the “hits” just keep on coming. This is what “hope and change” looks like. Breaking into the democrats HQ was childs play in comparison. What still amazes me is, what in the world did they think they would find? The “first” edition of “oblamacare”? LMAO. These “progressives” are some very sick “puppies”!

      • me

        His hope and change is in reality hopelessness with no change.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          His ¨Yes, we can¨ transformed into:
          ¨Yes, WE SCAN.¨
          We became ONE NATION UNDER SURVEILLANCE.

          • JeffH

            Yes we SCAM!

    • hungry4food

      This is PROOF that you cannot control freedom , only enforce the rules that SECURE the boundary between good and evil which freedom exits in both categories . The Obama Administration is having a clash with Ideology versus following Constitutional Rule of Law just like past Administration have and history keeps repeating itself , the good thing today is the Information age is fast enough to stay ahead and keep these ideologists from create a situation they cannot even begin to manage , the past events that lead to a total breakdown in civility was the result of leaderships that try and control freedom to the point that breakdown happened and supply was interrupted so bad that shortages led to Shoah which became a selective process too .

      We are smarter today because of the Speed of Communication so give yourself a pat on the back Society you have EARNED it !!!!!

    • Sarah417

      Hey, good job!!

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Ha, ha, ha, ha! Keep up the good foght fellow patriot. Except you forgot the fake birth certificate, fake SSN, college records, and fake passport when he went to Pakistan. Here is a video about investigating Obama bin Laden’s phony identification papers.
      http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-congressman-we-should-investigate-obamas-phony-identification-papers/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “A patriot must be a religious man.”
      Thomas Jefferson
      3rd President of the U.S.
      Founding father
      Orthodox Christian

    • Randy G

      Instead of ‘soup de jour’ ( soup of the day) it’s scandal de jour [scandal of the day] ps pardon my french.

    • Frank Zappa

      Amen Brother Amen: The Sheeple that voted for this moron, and the “Low Information Voter,” a Perfect analysis.

    • FreedomFighter

      Made my day, almost spit coffee onto the monitor.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

  • jim b

    Oblamo will always have Ed, Sharpton, Matthews, Rachel, O’donnel, Hayes … to support his unconstitutional and criminal activities, these guy’s and gale are so far up O’s butt he can taste’em. Really, what will they do when Bill Ayers spills the beans on Obamanation real citizenship, you know he knows… a lot? Hey Redford, you may want to think about a sequel to that piece of crap Underground movie you recently released (directly to video). I’m sure the disappearance of Bill Ayer would make for better TV, like Jimmy Hoffa… ya!

    • Sarah417

      Remember Bill Ayers left the Obama administration sometime back?. Well he has denounced Obama and spilled the beans. He also contributed to the video Dreams From MY Real Father. Take a look at that one.

      • JeffH

        Sarah417, you mean Ayer’s has admitted twice that he wrote “Dreams of My Father” for Obama. He never was a part of Obama’s administration.

        Who cares what he thinks about Obama or anyone else. He’s a hypocrit and a fool who can’t be trusted with anything and should still be locked up, no thanks to Slick Willy.

  • Sarah417

    You know what is so sad? For a few months now I have noticed FoxNews going in the direction of the left. It’s subtle, but it is happening. Obama must have something on Rupert Murdock or Roger Ailes. If Fox becomes liberal we have no other news source. But last night OReilly stated that the Illegal Amnesty Bill should go through. No matter how hard Laura Ingraham tried to tell him how bad this bill was, he would not listen and stated it should go through. I am now cancelling FoxNews.

    • Don 2

      Bill is a typical know-it-all, loud-mouth, arrogant, New Yorker. I think he is trying to cater to both sides in order to keep his ratings high. Personally, I don’t waste time watching him anymore. He’s pro federal gun registration, says his staff resolved that the birth certificate issue isn’t one, and now supports the amnesty bill. He’s become a liberal using liberal arguments.

      • steve

        he’s worried about his 6 million salary and writing his lincoln books. he knows obama has the goods on him and many other tv personalities.

      • mamamia

        I believe the word to describe Bill O’Reilly is “Moderate”. Certainly nothing wrong with that. Why must we be accused of being a different party just because we don’t agree on the same talking points. Must it always be all black or all white? That is how radicalism is born. What ever happened to the color grey in this country?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          O’Reilly is a Populist which is a fancier word for Socialist.

          • mamamia

            You think? I’ve always kinda seen him as definitely a conservative, but the only one on television I could stand to watch.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            O’Reilly might be classed as a Neoconservative, but he’s definitely not a Conservative.
            O’Reilly is a pig-headed fool who is so arrogant as to dispute experts like Neil Cavuto on economic matters which he knows nothing about.
            I wouldn’t consult O’Reilly on the best way to flush my toilet.
            http://mises.org/daily/5635/Neoconservatism-Taken-Down

        • Frank Zappa

          Hey it’s mamamia:
          Well just true to form, you are a liberal. I did find out that you are what I thought that you were. So you must be what you is! So how is it that you see the world through the prism of “Grey.” No absolute’s no right or wrong, and can’t we just all get along? You must like Oprah
          Might as well get use to it. There are absolutes, just as in science absolutes are a must. There is “Order” and without order there is “Anarchy.” Something yet to come assuming that you understand where this ends up at. But true to liberal thinking you are a sick person. Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. (ibid. Michael Savage)
          Michael was Right.

        • JeffH

          I agree, moderate best describes O’Reilly.

        • Alondra

          O’Reilly is an arrogant, ignorant & narcissistic liberal.

    • steve

      listen to talk radio if you want the truth. glenn beck , rush imbaugh etc

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        If you want unvarnished truth, you’ll need to go to mises.org

        • Dave

          LOL!!! you crack me up DaveH, are you sober this morning? You were not last night.
          DaveH, believe George W Bush is a Progressive, that is how in touch ole Davey is.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual, Dave being bereft of anything intelligent to say must resort to ad hominem attacks.
            Are you denying that Bush built Government ever larger, Dave?

          • Dave

            Yes, Bush did… that does not make him a progressive DaveH. You can continue the lie all you wish, does not make it true.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The thing is, Dave, that you are either a very mouthy uneducated fool, or you are a shill purposely trying to mislead others. My money is on the latter.

            “The Progressives believed in the Hamiltonian concept of positive government, of a national government directing the destinies of the nation at home and abroad. They had little but contempt for the strict construction of the Constitution by conservative judges, who would restrict the power of the national government to act against social evils and to extend the blessings of democracy to less favored lands. The real enemy was particularism, state rights, limited government”.
            From “Progressivism and Imperialism: The Progressive Movement and American Foreign Policy, 1898–1916″ by William Leuchtenburg.

            Those who would like to understand better what the “Hamiltonian concept” was could read this book by Thomas DiLorenzo:
            https://mises.org/store/Hamiltons-Curse-P534.aspx

          • JeffH

            To understand the progressive mind set:

            Progressives & Tug-O-War
            http://freedomlessons.net/freedom-101/progressives-and-tug-o-war/
            “There have existed, in every age and every country, two distinct orders of men—the lovers of freedom and the devoted advocates of power.”
            ~Robert Hayne, 1830

            We’re Not In Kansas Anymore: The Progressives Rejection of the Founder’s Understanding of Freedom and the Constitution

            It is not uncommon to hear people describe themselves as progressive. Hillary Clinton, for example, uses the label to describe her politics, as do a growing number of otherwise self-described “liberals.” She said:

            “I prefer the word ‘progressive,’ which has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th century. I consider myself a modern progressive.” – Hillary Rodham Clinton

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s odd, Dave. I give you a quote from a reputable historian about what a Progressive is, and you are nowhere to be seen. I’m waiting for your ad hominem attack on William Leuchtenburg.

      • Alondra

        Rush and Constitutionalist Mark Levin.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      That became apparent, Sarah, when they did away with Judge Napolitano’s show — Freedom Watch.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Fox is not Conservative or Libertarian and never has been. We hoped but to no avail.

    • JeffH

      Sarah417, they are what they are.
      As good as O’reilly can be at times, he can be equally as bad. He act ‘s more like a lawyer most of the time and when he thinks, in his mind , that he’s right…no one is more pig headed

      You will get bits and pieces of news from Fox that you won’t get on any of the other cable or network news channels.

      I like Lou Dobbs, Stossel, Cavuto, and most of all Judge Napolitano, whenever he makes an appearance. Anything I hear that intrests me I immediately go to the internet and start researching…verify, verify, verify. Judge Napolitano is the only person that I trust unconditionally.

    • Karolyn

      Awwww. I’m sure they will miss you.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    An IDIOT Compares Catholic School With Racial Segregation
    http://lastresistance.com/2402/obama-compares-catholic-school-with-racial-segregation/
    ¿Isn´t the muslim school in VA the TRUE islamic Segregation?
    ¿Isn´t Dearborn (MI) the Segregated Islamic capital of the US?
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/zieve/070111

    ¿WHY the Kenyan Bastard is quiet about the islamists´ Segregations in USA?

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Obama’s Eligibility Attorney Behind Illegal IRS Targeting
    Here is footage from a recent Tea Party event.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T98OYWvY5Pc&feature=player_embedded

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Veteran Responds To Rapper’s Desecration Of American Flag
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/veteran-responds-to-rappers-desecration-of-american-flag/

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The article states — “No matter how far the Republic has fallen, as we approach the 4th of July, Independence Day 2013, let us keep in mind what the flag represents and remember those who died for those ideals”.
      That should properly be rephrased to say — “those who thought they were dying for those ideals”.
      The truth is that the “Republic has fallen” as a result of those military excursions, each of which allowed further Government intrusion into our lives.
      Please read this book and get some understanding about what’s really going on with our military meddling around the globe. Hint, it isn’t to protect our Freedom:
      http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • Dave

        Well Dave,

        thats something you and I agree on. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, had NOTHING to do with protecting our freedom. People need to wise up and start caring about our soldiers because it is we who protect them from going into nonsense wars by saying NO to any war of want.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, Dave.

          • Dave

            Its sure is DaveH, it sure is.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Sorry but you are not to be trusted when you claim that you agree with anyone who would as a rule disagree with your ideology. Nice try to have people put their guard down. In fact it is time to reinforce the guard.

          • Dave

            Upsets your view of the world doesn’t it Nads…

          • Karolyn

            Oh, come on, Nadzieja. People can have different ideologies and yet agree on certain points. However, there are those who are so narrow that they cannot even recognize that.

          • Alondra

            K: ¨…there are those who are so narrow that they cannot even recognize that¨

            K, please look at your mirror.

          • Karolyn

            Not true about me, Alondra. If you actually read my posts, you will find that there are occasions that I do agree with some points made by those who adhere to a strict ideological view that is not necessarily compatible with mine.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Democrat Contradiction: Gun Control Fine But Pro-Life Bill Unconstitutiona
    http://godfatherpolitics.com/11353/democrat-contradiction-gun-control-fine-but-pro-life-bill-unconstitutional/

    • mamamia

      Republican Contradiction: Pro life fine but Gun control bill unconstitutional

      • Frank Kahn

        Actually, you cannot reverse the two. The right to bear arms is guaranteed in the constitution, abortion is not. The right to life (pro-life) is also mentioned as a right in the constitution. So, pro-life, the right to life, is as constitutional as the UN-infringed right to bear arms.

  • hungry4food

    How can Real
    Estate sustain Growth Recovery with this kind of Regulation which Stops
    Suburban Developments ???

    Obama Admin
    Plans To ‘Force’ Americans To Move Into Cities – “Redistributing” the
    Wealth

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jB2fexv5LDE

    This does not
    look like a Capital Expansion policy that will lead to Higher Consumer Incomes
    overall , which will be need to see a Dow Jones growth indexing above current
    levels with Real estate recovering to the driving level it once was , so
    what other Industries will be those driving fundamentals ?

    https://buildingoneamerica.org/

  • Dave

    I am surprised it is that high honestly… Our Gov has entered into the most dysfunctional era I can remember.

    The House can’t even get its own Farm bill passed. Speaker Boehner will go down as one of the WORST speakers in history.

    Harry Reid is a pathetic old man and along with the GOPers in The Senate are completely useless. The idiot Sen Cruz from TX and his extremist right wing agenda say that we must secure the boarder for immigration reform to pass. What this moron doesn’t realize is right now, there is net ZERO illegal boarder crossings. As many people are leaving as coming. How do you quantify securng 1500 miles of border so then you will sit down and work with others? We spent 40 years telling the USSR to “tear down their wall” only to build one here. Pure idiocy… All we have to do is prevent US firms from hiring illegals and the problem goes away.

    The GOP made it their mission in 2009 to deny anything that could be construde as a Obama victory.

    Then we have Obama that continued the bank bailouts, the Patriot act, Holder oversteps his bounds iin the AP story, Hillary’s lax security sets the stage for Benghazi… All the while the GOP are spending most oif their energies chasing false scandals like Benghazi, F&F, IRS because they clearly do not want to improve the economy under Obama.

    All of them need to go. I voted for Obama twice because I had hope in 2008 and the idea of Mccain and the weathergirl in the top job was too scary and in 2010, the idea of the big bank, wall street loving Trick Mitt would have a disaster for this country.

    Obama, got OBL, got us out of Iraq and is getting us out of Afghanistan but there is so much more he could have done. he is up against the wall with the hyper-partisanship in DC but the things he can control on balance, he has been somewhat of a disappointment to me.
    Currently, there is nobody in either party that is the answer. they both are bought and sold by many of the same people. They all need to be voted out.
    I am now back to voting for who I have been before Obama, 3rd Party candidates that are socially liberal/progressive and know how to do math.

    • CJM2

      First of all, ovomit did NOT “get OBL” as you claim; the man died in Dec 2001 from renal failure according to middle east sources. So you are willing to live in a communistic country where your life is meaningless except to continue supporting the corrupt predatory pathological liar in chief. The scandals are a REALITY of this corrupt administration–the evidence is overwhelming. No person is eligible to run a third term; that can happen ONLY of the tyrant squatting ILLEGAL nit in the White House declares himself to be either “king” or “dictator” of the USA. It’s nits like you, HATERS OF A FREE REPUBLIC, that keep the garbage flowing. As for the “socially liberal/progressive” nits in high places, they all failed math which is evidenced by their total inability to provide accurate numbers in all economic spheres. If communism is your bag, move to China or, better yet, the middle east.

      • Dave

        Source please?
        You clearly have no clue about what you are saying do you? Where do I advocate communism???? Oh wait… thats right, anyone who disagrees with you is labeled such…. I get it now… so much easier than thinking.

        • CJM2

          You, yourself, have admitted to being a communist—advocating for the COMMUNISTIC liberal/progressives and backing their spurious agendas fully implies what you really are. It isn’t that I disagree with your communistic views, it is because of YOUR ADMISSION TO SAME. As for the slur that I “label” someone as such, it is uncalled for. Obviously, you vehemently dislike anyone who disagrees with YOU!

          • Dave

            Now you are just lying. I have NEVER said anything of the sort.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He must have learned that from you, Dave.

          • Dave

            Lying is your bag Davey, progressives, my bigotry, or wanting larger gov. Just made up BS.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have proved you wrong repeatedly, Dave.

            When I said “He must have learned that from you, Dave”, I meant the fact that he is making stuff up about you, like you regularly do about other people. You can dish it out, Dave, but you can’t take it. It figures.

          • Dave

            LOL… sure you have DaveH… Sure you have… tell me again that Bush Jr is a Progressive… That one always cracks me up.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Whether you have any sense or not makes no difference to me. I write for the other readers, not shills like you.

          • Dave

            You mean the fools that buy your brand of BS.
            tell me the one where Progressives all want big gov. Thats another funny one.

          • WTS/JAY

            Under President Obama, Big Government is Back
            From the stimulus bill to the bank bailouts, the policies alter the social and political landscape…

            http://www.usnews.com/news/obama/articles/2009/03/19/under-president-obama-big-government-is-back

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “The Progressives believed in the Hamiltonian concept of positive government, of a national government directing the destinies of the nation at home and abroad. They had little but contempt for the strict construction of the Constitution by conservative judges, who would restrict the power of the national government to act against social evils and to extend the blessings of democracy to less favored lands. The real enemy was particularism, state rights, limited government”.
            From “Progressivism and Imperialism: The Progressive Movement and American Foreign Policy, 1898–1916″ by William Leuchtenburg.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave, you remind me of the punch drunk boxer who just doesn’t have the sense to stay down when he’s being pummeled. Only in your case it might be something stronger than punch.

          • Dave

            Nah, I just stand up to liars.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            All you need do, Dave, is provide the link to one lie I’ve told. You can’t, of course, and the readers can see that you’re just a dishonest (but typical) slanderous Liberal Progressive.
            Again, I can’t thank you enough for exposing yourself to the readers. In the old days it was my word against theirs (the Liberals) so it was difficult to expose to my aquaintances who you guys really were. Not so on this board.
            You are probably responsible for waking up more former Liberal Progressive Followers than I am. Unintentionally, of course.

          • Dave

            Anytime you say George W. Bush is a progressive, its a lie.

            Anytime you say Progressives and Liberals want “big Gov” its a lie.

            Anytime you blame liberals and Progressives from the problems we have today, you are simply lying…

            George W Bush is a conservative and quite proud of that fact. Ronald Reagan is the modern conservative poster boy.

            Reagan tripled the US debt while expanding the size of the Fed Gov. George W Bush, using the exact same playbook of tax cuts and and expanding the Fed Gov and spending doubled our debt.

            Ronald Reagan ushered in the new era of corporatism by jumping head first in bed with the banks, big oil and since we were h Reagan, Worker productivity has continued to go up while middle class economic power has gone down. That is because Reagan and Clinton helped sell this country out. But mindless conservatives bought the rewrite by corporate interests that is all the liberals fault for everything.

            Conservatives have done absoluely ZERO things for the middle class and poor of this country while progressives and liberals gave us SS and SS GREATLY reduced elderly poverty in this country. But conservatives only care about themselves… People like you believe taxes are theft and evil and have no clue what it takes to make a society function in today’s world. Mises? HA… Gives examples of proof of their theory as fact by presenting examples of self-contained incidences from the early 1900’s and that is what we are supposed to believe is relivant today? Only if you are a fool.
            DaveH, you are a flim-flam man and a liar. You are propaganda and nothing more.

          • CJM2

            You said: “I am now back to voting for who I have been before Obama, 3rd Party
            candidates that are socially liberal/progressive and know how to do math” which implies you are a communist–that is NOT lying, just merely pointing out your own incriminating words.

          • Dave

            Really CJM2,

            So if I am socially liberal/progressive and have an understanding of math.

            that “implies” communism? really?

            Wow….

            Then on the same logic, if I consider myself a patriot, and socially conservative, I must be a fascist in your mind.

            Communism-classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of that society with no strong central Gov.

        • Frank Kahn

          Thinking, do you do that?

          There is a logic tree involved in labeling you as wanting communism. It flows backwards from the modern starting point of liberalism. Liberalism is based on progressive ideology. Progressive ideology promotes the Marxist ideas. Marxism was originally stated as a facilitator (path) for communism.

          The original idea of Marxism was to destroy capitalism, so you have a proletariat controlled economic system (economy controlled by the common worker). This was to be administered by the government (government rule over all production). All workers would produce according to their special abilities for the good of the nation. All workers would be rewarded for their contribution according to their needs.

          These ideas of Marxism are no different than what is viewed as modern communism.

          • Dave

            Clearly more than you are capable of…. To equate progressives with Marxists communists is to completely ignorant of what progressives stand for and strive fo.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You can call yourself anything you please but your ideology wants particular outcomes and then dictates certain actions which get certain results. Because Communism is not a popular word and when people hear it they equate it with the thugs of the world so you are forced to give yourself the name Progressive. It sounds so pious and forward and you mock people who see through you because supposedly they are backward thinking.

          • Dave

            Nads,
            Communism can NEVER work. I would explain why it can’t but its clear you have no idea what communism is. The funny part isue form is closer to the teachings of Jesus Christ than anything from any capitalist.
            Once again, you are wrong about progressives.

      • Sarah417

        OBL was on dialysis for many years. Kidney failure was his cause of death. This is a well known fact everywhere except in America. Did you see a dialysis machine in his apartment after the raid? Were there any pictures produced of the raid? Did you see any pictures of OBL after the raid? The so called burial at sea supposedly was never seen by the shipmen on board. Our government has been lying to us for the last fifty years. We need to get America straight quickly or America is gone.

    • Don 2

      O.K. Obama spinmeister, riddle me this:

      1) If Benghazi is a false scandal, why is Hussain Obama still hiding the identities of 30 or so witnesses?

      2) If Fast & Furious is a false scandal, why did Eric Holder claim executive privilege regarding a program that the Mexican government knew nothing about, and at least 200 Mexicans, and a U.S. Border Agent died, as a direct result of this Hussain Obama administration gun-running program?

      3) If the IRS targeting Conservatives and Conservative groups is a false scandal, why did Lois Lerner take the 5th., and everyone else in the Hussain Obama administration plead “Sergeant Schultz?”

      • Dave

        Mamamia,

        1) Benghazi was a CIA Safehouse. can you think of any reason why the Gov would want to hide identities knowing that?
        2) So you trust the Mexican Gov not to tip off the drug cartels as to our operations? How very boy-scout of you. I hate to break it to you, that agent is dead with or without the program in place.
        3) The head of the IRS was a bush appointee, the head of the OH IRS in charge of the extra “scrutiny is a 21 year conservative Republican. To date, no conservative group was denied tax exempt status even though many conservative and liberal groups should have been denied and no conservative group lodged a complaint against the IRS. Sorry, nothing there besides the crime of allow these groups to be subsidized by my tax dollars.

        • Frank Kahn

          Actually, one conservative group did file a legal complaint about the IRS concerning the release of confidential donor information.

          Denied is a term used broadly to deflect the subject from the true harm that was done. Yes, they were not officially denied, however, they were delayed until the purpose of the request was no longer valid. By definition, delaying acceptance of the status until its use is no longer valid is, in fact denying their ability to use the status.

          The problem with the death of the border patrol agent is that he was killed with one of the guns from the gun running operation.

          One compound was a CIA operation, the other was not. Regardless of the purpose of the facilities, it still needs honest accounting, not lies and coverup.

          • JeffH

            Frank, to progressive like Dave47D it all boils down to what the meaning of is…is.
            Denial ain’t some river in Egypt either.

          • Dave

            Back from the range yet? It would appear not because you continue to confuse conservatives with me.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You still don’t know what a Conservative is?

            I can lead a donkey to water, but I can’t make him drink. Hee Haw.

            http://mises.org/daily/5635/Neoconservatism-Taken-Down

          • Dave

            I have a much better grasp of American conservatism than you have about American Progressivism and Liberalism

          • JeffH

            …and pigs can fly too…

          • Dave

            You can’t fly can you Jeffrey?

          • JeffH

            D’OH! Isn’t it obvious?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Polly want a cracker? Baaaaraaaak!

          • Dave

            Look!!! Twin butt cheeks… DaveH and JeffH… Together they make one saggy azz. LOL

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And this is the guy, Folks, who will be telling you later how compassionate he is.
            I can’t thank you Liberal Progressive Trolls/Shills enough for exposing your true selves to the readers, Dave.

          • Dave

            Again, where do I say how compassionate I am towards liars, thieves and followers of BS economic theory DaveH? I give as good and better as I get from the bopsy twins (You and JeffH).
            I just play your and other conservative’s game.
            Don’t cry because I use conservative tactics against them.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Then you know that Liberal Progressives are a bunch of whiny, pushy, controlling thieves, who think they know what’s best for everybody else, even though they can’t put a cohesive honest factual comment together.

          • Dave

            I know that conservatives are a bunch of selfish, self-serving do as I say, not as I do people who never admit to being at fault for anything. They use the bible in one hand and a gun in the other and expect everyone else to follow their religious dogma.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave, your bigotry is showing again. In any group of people, there are those who are blatantly self-serving.
            In a private setting, they would be considered immoral or even criminal if they used coercive means to get what they want. But somehow they think that passing laws and working with Government to Force their way on others turns bad into good.
            I call those people, whether they be Liberals or Neoconservatives or some other type, Progressives.

          • Dave

            My distain for your bigotry does not make me a bigot Davey

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re a bigot, Flashy. Own it.

          • Dave

            Prove your BS DaveH. You are an obtuse conservative… own it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What makes me a Conservative, Dave?

          • Dave

            Lets see… Not accepting the fact that Reagan and Bush Jr were conservatives who expanded the Fed Gov. Believing that all you need is a “free” market and everything will be fine. Lying about liberals and progressives. You have a very high (not warranted) opinion of yourself. See Gov as evil until your guy gets in the WH. buying the standard GOP about many issues

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Wow, you’ve reached new heights of ignorance, Dave. But please keep posting.
            I do feel a little bit guilty though, as I should be paying you for your fine job of making Liberal Progressives look like the creepy characters that we Freedom-lovers know they really are.

          • Dave

            You asked, I can’t help you if you are creeped out by your own BS.
            oh, I also forgot, calling anyone who disagrees you names like “socialist, communist, and Marxist”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re a Liberal Progressive, Dave, you’ve described yourself that way.

          • Don 2

            Hey, Dave, be careful with those, “Never admit to being at fault for anything” comments. I thought you were talking about Obama.

          • Don 2

            Let us know if you get a grasp on reality!

          • Dave

            American conservatism:

            There are a couple versions. 1) Social conservatives-People who are typically very religious and have very strict interpretations of what constitutes “morality” “Family” and what is right vs wrong and use their religious based emotions to drive policy decisions leading to laws forbidding same sex marriage, laws against abortions etc.

            2) Fiscal Conservatives, people who have strong opinions about limitations on what the Gov should be involved in, they want low taxes, strong military, Low regulations and little in the way of a social safety net for poor people. They believe that through hard work, you can make a good living just like in the 1950’s.

            Finally, you have conservatives that achieve real power… They reduce taxes and regulations as the spend great sums of money on the areas near and dear to the before mentioned two groups. The end result, The 2008 recession is one example.

          • JeffH

            Real life conservatives are called Constitutional conservatives, not your versions which are just Neo-cons.

          • WTS/JAY

            A proven progressive radical tactic. Talk down, demean, denegrate, shout, scream, disrupt, label, and then when all else fails accuse of “Raaaaacism”. Creating negative labels on opposing views or contrary matters of opinion is a tactic that they teach, actually teach in classes and books. You can see it most evident when they begin losing an argument on policy, or they are not winning opinion, they will immediately begin to use vulgar, nasty, negative attacks. For an example of this look at how Sarah Palin is demonized in the media. She is viewed as a threat to the progressive female liberal agenda, so they attack her on non policy issues, calling her stupid, unintelligent, negatively attacking her looks, etc. etc. If you want to identify who the Progressives and liberals fear the most all you have to look at who they are attacking the most. They try to shape opposition by dividing their opponent, labeling those they wish to remove, and then leaving an opponent they feel more comfortable running against. They only want to face the weakest opposition. So they demoralize the strongest to remove them from the equation. Once you understand the Alinsky Rules (their playbook) you really begin to see how easy their tactics are to spot. They follow that playbook page by page every time.

            Watch Bill Maher demoralize people, he actually has no quams calling American people stupid. Watch Michelle Obama, she actually has no quams stating “for the first time in my life, I am proud to be an American. Watch Keith Olbermann, he has no quams calling Scott Brown a womanizing, egomaniacal, chauvinistic, hate mongering, pig. When you contrast these progressive attacks with the actual merit of a person’s character, you see that it is just an attempt to demonize the opposition because they refute “actual intelligent support” for a person is valid. They see supporters as “missguided”, and “unintelligent”, claiming that if a supporter actually understood a policy then they would never support their candidate. The progressives keep arguing that anyone who disagrees with them “just does’nt understand” the issue at hand.

            Progressives will never accept that there could be an alternative position of validity. Progressives claim to have all the knowledge and that everyone else just does’nt understand well enough. Their view of reality is the ONLY view of reality. Progressives stick to this standard at all costs, and “if” a progressive ever conceeds a point to the other side, then their own progressive allies will immediately turn on them and attack them with fervent hostility and anger, demonizing and “eating their own”. Progressives hold no value to opposing opinions, “their way is the only way”. Any opposition is just uneducated, stupid, and devoid of fact and intelligence. Look at what Obama supporters did to Hillary supporters during the primary election of 2007, 2008 within their own party.

            Liberal attacks can be so hurtful and hostile that it shocks the system and creates toxicity. When attacked with these methods regular conservative people just want to escape from the emotional attack and hate speak. They fear being labeled as racist, and begin to doubt themselves. This is the desired outcome from Alinsky fear tactics (read “Rules for Radicals”). When confronted with a losing policy argument the rules teach to just attack harder, be more hateful than your opponent, scream louder, label them more, find or create weakness and never relent.

            Why do you think that Obama fails, in the face of all mounting fact based evidence, to recognize that the majority of Americans do not want to have health care taken over by government? He is a radical progressive. Within his mind there is no validity to any view from the opposition. There is no concession. There is no willingness to even consider that his point may not be what people want. He just has’nt explained it good enough. We are stupid because we don’t agree. We don’t agree because he has not done a good enough job explaining it. You see, the problem? This is the illogical mindset of the progressive liberal movement. They will talk you in circles, spin you around, create doubt that the world is actually round. Think Global Warming, no wait, Climate Change…, not wait that’s not it either now, it’s Man Made Weather. Their logic is irrational on all fronts to average every day people. Yet they claim that it is the only logic. Their logic is the only logic.

            Look at how the Tea Party is demonized and labeled. The progressive liberals cannot accept that people would have fundamentally different views on things that are in opposition to their own. So, here comes the attack, here comes the labeling, here comes the desire to create a definition of a “movement” that they can attack. Yeah, that’s it “lets call em, gun toting, fear mongering, racist, domestic terrorists”, yeah, that’ll work. Ok. now because they don’t have a leader we are going to have to attack any leader, in any party, who they support. So if the Tea Party supports a specific candidate, then the liberal progressives can go to work demonizing that person. See Palin.

            See how it works? -posted by Grandpa.

          • Deerinwater

            “Why do you think that Obama fails, in the face of all mounting fact based evidence, to recognize that the majority of Americans do not want to have health care taken over by government? ”

            Hmm? ~ Why??? because you are not a majority????? ~ You never were , no matter how many times you say it or how loud.

            Government has been up to their ears in Heath Care before Obama learned to crawl and wear Big Boy Britches.

            The federal Government has been subsidizing Blue Chip employer’s Health Care for their Employees for 30 years that I know of Personally ~ It was used an a “Incentive” ~

            That was back when Made in America meant something. ~ When most American’s honored hard work and loyalty.
            When Bottom Line Profits did not rule the day. ~ When you never heard people say Greed is Good.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you, Deer, for supporting the fact that the Healthcare Market is a mess as a result of Government intervention. And now its going to get even messier.

          • Deerinwater

            Well, ~ Your welcome ~ I suppose. ~ I’m not sure that Government touching it ~ made it a mess. ~

            It’s peoples desires and demands that creates Markets. ~

            People are perishable much like fruit ~ They struggle to live a plentiful and full life. ~ Nobody wants to suffer , much less die!

            Modern medicine has answered this demand with products and service to assist them in these efforts. ~ And they are not all cheap! ~ More the people, the greater the demand.

            In a Capitalist system ~ supply is profit motivated. ~ To be seen an able provider is to be successful and admired.

            It is more the inherent nature of people to want to fill their needs and a Market place that’s primary focus in on profits ~ that presents us such a huge problem. ~ It was a problem before government got involved. ~

            As for myself ~ I have got use to the idea of dying ~ and at peace with it ~~ I just don’t want to suffer for months ~ and be humiliate and stripped of all personal pride in the process. ~ But everyone ~ don’t see things my way.

            People are funny like that ~ They WANT! ~~ but they don’t want to pay for it. ~ They want you too!

            It’s like a Remodel ~ with the job bid and agreed on and work started ~ and then the Homeowner wants Sky Lights installed in the Kitchen ~ but he don’t want to pay anymore. nor does he want to delete anything. ~ The Home Owner is wanting you to give then to him!!!! ~ because???? He believes that you can. He knows that you can ~ He don’t care that your profit is less. ~ He don’t care about your profit or that your family will have less ~ He/she just wants Sky Lights and is not going to be happy until you provide them so he can be seen as providing well.

            Now they are unhappy and will make a point to see that you are unhappy too! ~ they will hurt you and teach you ~ to give them want the want.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “In a Capitalist system ~ supply is profit motivated. ~ To be seen an able provider is to be successful and admired”.
            The most important feature of Capitalism, Deer, is that it is voluntary. You don’t have to trade with anybody who you don’t want to trade with.
            If you are offended by their profits, then don’t trade with them. As stupid as that would be, you would have that Freedom.

          • JeffH

            Yep Jay, that’s pretty much the way it is and the way it has been for quite awhile now. All you need to do is read Jeff’s and Dave47D’s comments…they parallel all of that.

          • Deerinwater

            I like that ! ~ I will use it ~ Constitutional Conservative. ~

            That are many variety and notions of Conservatism it would appear.

            Permit me to ask JeffH. ~

            Does a Constitutional Conservative believe ~ that our nation was founded on Christian Principals ? ~ Does a Constitutional Conservative promote, defend and subscribe to Capitalism?

          • JeffH

            The view that we were a Christian nation, was held for almost 150 years until the Everson v. Board of Education ruling in 1947. Before that momentous ruling, even the Supreme Court knew that we were a Christian nation.

            God is not mentioned in the Constitution, but He is mentioned in every major document leading up to the final wording of the Constitution. For example, Connecticut is still known as the “Constitution State” because its colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States Constitution. Its first words were: “For as much as it has pleased the almighty God by the wise disposition of His Divine Providence…”

            There are many historical quotes from our Founding Era that lend credence to the supposition that we indeed were founded as a Christian nation.
            http://www.afn.org/~govern/Christian_Nation.html
            Rights come from our Creator, not government. This Founding Principle is actually embedded in our Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

            The power of the people is declared in the first three words of the Constitution, “We the people …” This principle is also the underlying basis for our Declaration of Independence, “governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”

            DeerBob asks, “Does a Constitutional Conservative promote, defend and subscribe to Capitalism?”

            Non sequitur. That is an individuals own personal choice to make.

          • Deerinwater

            Thank you Jeff for your thoughtful and informative post. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and offer such excellent support.

            Even though it was a smaller world in 1776~ it seems that the founding fathers was wise to accept ~ Christian principals did not originate with Christ and that the term Creator would be accepted and understand by all people as oppose to using the term “God”.

            While a person might deny a God,~ one cannot deny their existence. Life being, awareness, having boundaries and the liberty to control it’s own space.

            In these earlier times, before mass media, the Church was viewed on as the Hub in the wheel of Social Life. ~ If you wanted to enjoy a large audience and offer sway to hearts and minds ~ the church is where you might find a place to be seen and heard by many.

            . ~ This willingness of the governed to offer consent had to be founded in something. ~ and I too believe our nations founding documents were richly influenced by Christian Principals by Christian of the times.

            While still fresh on their minds were the religious persecution many had left behind in Europe. Finding the heavy hand of both the Church and Government combined restricting personal freedom.

            American does not have a National Religion and I really do not believe that was an oversight on the part of the Framers of the Constitution. It was not carelessness but premeditated, deliberate.

            As for Capitalism, I enjoyed your answer ~ To embrace Capitalism is one of personal choice. ~ Since neither Socialism or Capitalism is mentioned in the Constitution leaves us to consider employing Christian principals. That these teaching offered by Christ lends themselves to Socialism far better then Capitalism
            ~ it’s no wonder why so many Christian American find themselves confused today.

            (and it was a good question and not stupid at all) ~ I admit that it was a trap, and you knew it to be~ but it wasn’t stupid.

            I respect both you and your answer, it was the only correct answer you could offer.

          • Dave

            And the term “neo-cons” are just a conservative’s way of excusing their bad behavior. Real life liberals are called liberals…Pity you and your other Reaganite followers believe the conservative version of what a liberals and progressives stand for which is just more right wing propaganda.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Actually, and I’ve told you before Dave, the term Liberal was co-opted from those referred to as Classical Liberals now. And modern-day Liberals are nothing at all like their Freedom-loving namesakes of old.
            One of the hallmarks of Progressives is to muddy terms so as to confuse the average citizens in the hopes that they won’t learn just how much the Progressives are taking advantage of them.

          • Dave

            The only place that has any resemblance of truth is in the “Berkley” liberal circles. They can be just as intolerant as you conservatives.
            Once again, you like about Progressives. I will keep calling you a liar if you insist on propagating this load of BS.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re the liar, Dave, and the readers know it. That’s the beauty of this board. Anybody can look back at your previous comments and see whether you’re full of it or not. In your case, it’s the former.

          • Don 2

            We know Dave is full of crap, but his illogical answers are amusing anyway. I come here to laugh at his feeble attempts to defend the indefensible.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Finally, you issue a legitimate attempt at an informative comment, instead of ad hominem attacks. Let’s see if you can keep it up.
            But please don’t construe the above as agreement.

          • Dave

            Which is more than I can say for anything you post DaveH. You lie about liberals and progressives and act like you “schooled” me in something besides your delusional attitudes that have ZERO basis in fact. Unlesh a torrent of BS then link it to some nonsense from mises that you try to pass off as fact when in reality it is half baked theory.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Remember, Dishonest Dave, that the readers can simply read your comments to learn the truth. The problem with you Liberal Progressive posters is that you’re used to telling your lies verbally to people who can’t later prove what you said. Here the reader simply goes to your past comments to see how dishonest you are.

          • Don 2

            All good points Frank. Dave’s position is feeble, as usual.

    • Frank Kahn

      Oh what strange logic you have. You state that there is ZERO illegal alien border crossings, but then you go on to say as many illegals leave as come in. Now you can’t have it both ways, either there are NO illegal aliens crossing the border or there are. If, what you say is true, there is a ZERO NET INCREASE IN ILLEGAL ALIENS here, that simply means that you need to take the number of ILLEGALS coming into the country and multiply it by 2 to indicate the total number of ILLEGAL ALIENS crossing the border. Remember, the ones leaving are still ILLEGAL ALIENS, and they are crossing the border to leave. And, in keeping with your final statement about knowing how to do math, that is simple arithmetic.

      Hyper-partisanship? This is a sticky term, almost impossible to claim it is one sided. If every democrat votes yes, and every republican votes no, you have total partisanship. If you have total partisanship, both sides are contributing to the situation. The actual situation you are complaining about is ideas, and policies. You think that the liberal/progressive/Marxist ideas and policies are good, so you THINK that the conservatives are bad for blocking them. Moderate conservatives consider liberal/progressive/Marxist ideas to be extreme and harmful to the nation, so they consider liberals failure to compromise as bad. Actually, if the system works correctly, the two party system of representation, not only allows, but encourages this type of conflict. If there is nobody around to object to radical ideas, our nation will die an ugly death. The origin of modern liberalism is based on the progressive agenda, which is by definition anti-God. They believe that it is government, not God, that gives us our rights. It is their belief that government should have absolute control of its citizens. So, they are, in a sense, advocating tyrannical atheistic rule of our nation. How do you feel about the idea of total Christian control and rule of our nation? Is one better than the other? Would tyranny under atheists be any different or better than tyranny under Christians? I say, neither is acceptable, or desired, so we need controls. These controls are in place, in the form of partisan voting. If you don’t give us some of what we want, we won’t give you what you want. Not a bad concept.

      You were partially correct, when you said both parties are bad, they are both wanting their share of power, and don’t really care about the people. I said partially, because you failed when you continued on to claim that you will support atheistic liberal/progressive/Marxist from the 3rd party candidates. If you do that, you are still supporting the ideals of the current administration with their liberal/progressive/Marxist agenda.

      Trading a, democrat, liberal for an, independent, liberal, is no change at all.

      • JeffH

        Frank, I’m sure you realize that Dave47D is very confused.
        Look deep into any of his comments and there is this underlying manifestation of hate for the ideas of freedom and personal responsibility.
        He’s a progressive big government globalist that believes we all must sacrifice our money and our freedom for social justice everywhere. He actually believes that “we”, who reject his social justice ideolgy, just want to go back to the days of Jim Crow and women’s sufferage.
        Ya can’t fix stoopid because that kinda stoopid is forever.

      • Dave

        “there is net ZERO illegal boarder crossings. As many people are leaving as coming”
        Comprehension is not your strong suit Frank, go back to sleep.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          LOL.
          Whether they come or go, it is still an illegal border crossing, ignoramus.
          What next? You can commit bad deeds as long as you offset them with good deeds?
          Logic is not your strong suit, Dave.

          • Deerinwater

            “Whether they come or go, it is still an illegal border crossing,”

            Well ~ I was taken back by that statement as well. ~ as there is an illegal border crossing somewhere every minute of the day. Where they swam, crawled, flew, smuggled, bribed or used counterfeited papers.

            But what he is offering us ~ is that it’s gone “neutral” or negative in number.

            Immigration has been setting records in numbers of deportation. ~ The Civil unrest in Mexico ~ has cooled down some and the pressure on on our southern borders is not near as great at the moment.

            Party politics ~ and people that spend their time ~ watching the one eyed monster like it’s a sports event ~ want to believe his Opening statement “Our Gov has entered into the most dysfunctional era I can remember.”

            If ~ you are the sort to baptize yourself in Politics ~ as a spectator with a little plastic Flag and a single Vote to cast, it not hard to feel this way.

            This “Groupie” behavior ~ is your Right ~ it’s your life ~ waste it anyway you wish ~~

            Dave ~ I would agree ~ Things could be better ~ and I wish that they were. But if you will read history ~ there is nothing new here ~ it’s always been this way ~ or degrees of it.

            They hated Lincoln. ~ they hated FDR, they hated Kennedy, they hated Nixon, they hated LBJ, they hated Cooliage, they hated Jackson ~

            Without researching it , Truman, Eisenhower are the only two Presidents I can think of that managed to escape this vile hatred .

            Too many people with too much spare time to waste, too much media and it’s so easy to project one thoughts and feelings today ~ makes these modern times unique.

            But ~ that the only charge ~ mean spirited, spiteful, ugly small people have always been among us. It’s just easier for them to make their presence known today.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The nature of Government is Power, Deer, and for that reason it is a great attractant to the less morally inclined people of society.
            This article explains it well:
            http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html

            Key line from the article — “It is not power that corrupts, it is that corrupt individuals seek power”.

        • Frank Kahn

          As the theoriginaldaveh says below, “whether they come or go, it is still an illegal border crossing” and “logic is not your strong suit”.

          Comprehension is not a difficult issue. You said there is ZERO border crossings of illegal aliens. You did not say ZERO net increase of aliens in the country. If 10,000 illegal aliens come into the country (by crossing the border) and 10,000 illegal aliens leave the country (by crossing the border) there is a ZERO NET INCREASE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THE COUNTRY. HOWEVER, THERE WERE 20,000 CASES OF ILLEGAL ALIENS CROSSING THE BORDER. You cannot subtract the number of illegal aliens leaving from the number coming to get a zero crossing figure. If only 1 illegal alien crossed the border to enter the country and 1 million of them crossed the border to leave, there would still be illegal aliens crossing the border.

          Like I said before, it is simple math, if 1 enters and 1 leaves (both by crossing the border) then 2 crossed the border, not 0.

          And, just for S&G (that stands for sh!ts and giggles), I could actually come up with the same numbers while sleeping.

  • red neck

    “leading this country”…..

    That’s almost funny but not really!

    “leading” adj… ahead: ahead of all others,…. The definition of leading does not fit obama!

    • Deerinwater

      That is what I was thinking in from 2002 to 2008. ~ But I was wrong ~ we were “lead” alright. ~ That I didn’t follow does not mean that we were not “Lead”

  • CJM2

    Not everyone can receive a ‘free phone.’ According to the “rules and regulations,” only ONE phone can be provided to a single household; however, I know of families where every single member has one regardless of how many reside in the home. Furthermore, elderly white citizens on fixed low incomes find it very difficult to obtain one of these ‘free phones’…makes you wonder if there is a special “preferential clause” in the “rules and regulations.” I don’t grouse over the fee charged to those of us who have our own personal phone IF, AND ONLY IF, the phones are distributed among those who truly need it; I strenuously object to the present method and am really angry that they can pawn the phone, sell it, trade it for drugs–and then go back and get a replacement. Although I know there is a true need among the poor who need a phone, because the majority of those benefiting from the project are abusing it, Congress should defund the project immediately.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      If the fees only came from voluntary owners, CJM2, then it wouldn’t matter if you “grouse”d over them or not. But they don’t. And people other than yourself may not approve of their forced charity. It is not the Government’s money to give.

      • CJM2

        Didn’t Christ teach that the poor would be with us always? There are individuals who DO deserve a helping hand, and those individuals do appreciate it. Are you saying you would deny someone assistance if they needed it? I would hope not.

        • JeffH

          CJM2, get real! Private charities were helping the needy long before the government decided to get into the welfare business using the forced taxes…other peoples money?

          All the government has done is create a government dependent “welfare class”.

          • WTS/JAY

            And what a business it is, JeffH. Also, a guaranteed voting-block!

          • CJM2

            No one is arguing that there is a “welfare class” that is comprised of indolent individuals. However, the intent of stipends to the disabled who CANNOT participate in the workforce was to provide some means of an income. There are, and always will be, abusers of the system. The government failed in separating the abusers from the ones who are indeed suffering. If your neighbor had a broken back and was a quadriplegic, would you deny him/her government assistance? I would hope not. The volunteer charity is temporary and very limited at best. Charity is not just the volunteering of monetary assistance, it is also a state of mind and recognizing that some in society will need some form of “welfare.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            CJM2,
            How many like-minded people do you think there are?
            Surely all of you could get together and take care of those “truly needy”?
            Wouldn’t it be much better if one class of people weren’t imposing their values on the rest of us?

          • Dave

            So DaveH, sounds like communism would be up your alley with that above statement. Communism means having no class system, no strong central gov and everyone sharing in governance. You just have to be willing to give up your personal possessions.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Again Dave comes up with tortured conclusions. You’re a pretty sick puppy, Dave, but then I welcome that you are doing my work for me (exposing your kind to the readers).

          • CJM2

            More than you think, originaldave. Which “one class of people” are you referring to? There are a few out there who are all clamoring to have their values supersede the values of the United States…all of which I oppose. If your child was mentally retarded, wouldn’t you consider her to be “truly needy?” Would you turn down SSI (which, by the way, helps to defray the cost of rearing a special needs child)? She would be qualified to receive it–but according to you, she would be one of those lazy indolent ‘welfare class’ of people you keep referring to. If she survived to adulthood, would you deny her the privilege of residing in a shelter/home that specializes in the care of such persons? Furthermore, you may not be around her entire life or may become infirm yourself–then what would you have done for her? The cost is more than your wages–would you be angry if a portion of our tax monies were used to support these agencies? Or would you be angrier if you were told ‘either pay the fees yourself or she cannot receive services’ and lacked the income to do so? Apparently, you, and others of your bent, are unable to discern who is in need and who are the abusers–there is a difference and you should be knowledgeable enough to understand that.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            CJM2,
            You’re mixing apples and oranges here. To vote for a Socialistic system of theft is wrong. But once Forced to pay for that system, there is nothing at all wrong with accepting the benefits which you were forced to pay for.
            If you’re concerned with the health risks for your family then buy insurance voluntarily. But don’t Force me or others to pay for a system we don’t approve of.
            Note, CJM2, that from your various comments, I think that you are nowhere close to being as rational as I am. So, how would you like it if I took over your finances, using that fact as justification, and decided where your money should be employed?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There are many people in this world who are living in abject poverty, CJM2. Why aren’t you donating everything you have beyond the bare necessities to help them out? Do something about your guilt.

          • CJM2

            I think YOU are the one with the guilt originaldave. I have shared what I have my entire life. I am no where near being wealthy, but when someone needs the assist, I provide what I can–which is clearly more than your selfish mind can fathom. You haven’t the gumption to answer my questions, so one can safely assume you would allow a person in need to go without. There is nothing wrong with setting some public funds aside to help those who cannot help themselves. I suppose you would support genocide when it comes to the disabled–mentally and physically. It would suit you well to put these poor souls to death because they might obtain a few cents on the dollar from your tax contribution. It is true that there are abusers in the system and the government did not ferret these abusers out which caused the generational welfare group. New laws (remember WorkFare?) set in place to help get rid of the problem were nullified by the present administration, but my guess is that you never bothered to be concerned about that. Compassion goes far beyond ones wallet and unless you are an anti-Christ, you would understand. that.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have no guilt at all, CJM2. I have been generous to a fault my entire life. But that isn’t the issue. The issue is your desire to decide for other people who they should give to and how much.
            And like the typical Liberal Progressive, you have projected character traits onto a person (me) who you know nothing at all about.
            But I do know something about you. You feel that you have the right to determine what other peoples’ compassion should be with their own property. Just face the facts, CJM2. You are a thief and, like any thief, you have it all rationalized why your theft is acceptable, and why it is okay for you to Force your way on others.

          • CJM2

            No–it is you who wishes to force others to partake of your communistic beliefs and it is your preference that everyone capitulate to back that form of injustice to the people. It is a well-known fact that the “progressive” “liberals” in congress are all registered communists….most, if not all of them, are active in the communist party. You know nothing at all about me even though you apparently believe you are adept in paranormal mind reading. You are very handy with dishing out the nasty slurs (as in calling me a thief), but you simply do not want to hear the truth. I have never attempted to, nor do I want to, ‘Force’ my way onto others; everyone has a choice to believe or disbelieve. What a pity you spend so much time and energy in twisting another person’s view to suit your own personal agenda. I am done with your meaningless tete-a-tete–

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What the flock are you talking about? I’m as far away from Communist as anybody can get. Your credibility just took a nosedive, CJM2.

        • WTS/JAY

          The Bible also states that; “If a man will not work, he shall not eat” (2 Thess 3:10). Is the biblical rule of a sensible-welfare policy? So, those that can work, but choose not to, should not be afforded entitlement to welfare.

          • CJM2

            What’s your statement got to do with those who are in real need and are NOT lazy, indolent people? I’m not speaking of those who refuse to help themselves. Even Christ showed more compassion to those in need….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Compassion, CJM2, comes from your own pocket. It’s called theft when it comes from other peoples’ pockets.
            Read this:
            http://mises.org/daily/4929

          • Jeff

            Tell it to Ayn Rand. You want to know why Libertarians ALWAYS get shut out a the polls? Because of statements like yours. Even most Republicans are nowhere close to your level of selfishness.

          • Deerinwater

            The bible offers us many things to ponder in regard to social ethics and personal responsibilities and it’s prudent to study them all or study none if you have visions of understanding the Divine and what hopes the Divine has for man.

            That the bible has many authors and written over a large spam of time, abridged, amended and translated in just about every language known to man. ~ It’s meaning appears elusive at times as we are instructed that “wide is the path BUT narrow the way.”

            It is by our Faith we might be awarded “blessing” ~ If we cannot feel “blessed” ~ we have strayed off the path somehow.

            Proverbs 13:11
            11 Wealth gained hastily[a] will dwindle,
            but whoever gathers little by little will increase it

            1 Timothy 6:10
            10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

            1 John 2:15-17
            5 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life[a]—is not from the Father but is from the world. 17 And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

            Romans 16:17-18
            I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

            and one for Samurai

            Isaiah 29:13
            13 And the Lord said:
            “Because this people draw near with their mouth
            and honor me with their lips,
            while their hearts are far from me,
            and their fear of me is a commandment taught by men,

            Fear and Love is a crazy mix of conflicting thoughts ~ God is not evil so why the fear? ~ I see “Fear” as a product of question and doubt. Christian are instructed to walk by Faith and not by sight and Fear not.

            One of the greatest rewards in living a Christian life ~ is to enjoy a life in the absence of Fear.

          • WTS/JAY

            Rather strange. that a man who considers the whole of Scripture to be “Poppycock”, that you should suddenly start preaching it. In fact, your whole tribe seems to be following suit; one day you malign it and ridicule it, the next, you praise it and preach it, and all the while oblivious to the fact that you have become walking contradictions!

          • Deerinwater

            So you don’t approve of “Critical Christians” ???

            It’s been long known that “Soul Searching” was not included in your bag of Tricks Jay. ~ and you carry around a pretty Big bag !

            That you can put everyone else under a microscope but exclude yourself is a character trait indicative of the “Morally Superior” ~ which by chance, ~ you have openly claimed on several occasions. The most recent in referring to your opposition as the “Morally Challenged” LOL! I did love that by the way, you made my day. Even in inference, no truer words have you ever offered.

            The average, well balanced mature adult with good coping skills can wear many hats and enjoys a wide range of perceptions. ~ They can view the world as a child, as an adolescent, the grown up, the parent, the aging, the injured, the handicapped, the sick , the perpetrator, the sinner, the victim, the father. This ability to be so nimble can only be achieved though self honesty, love for your fellow mankind, God’s grace and practiced teaching every minute of every day. It’s hard work! ~ to be a good Christian ~ it’s never been easy to be a good Christian.

            There has Never existed only one kind of Conservative nor does there exist only one kind of Christian. ~ and Unlike you Jay, ~ I will not expand or dwell on all these subtle and not so subtle differences and start a rock fight that would only achieve division when I am seeking unity and common ground to build on. I planed to build bridges , not tear them down. As fast as you tear them down it is people like myself that is fighting to rebuild them.

            Seeking such things are not a part of you Jay ~ You seek only division and conflict. ~ It’s seems there can never be enough! ~ can you search your own soul? Can a Fox guard a Hen house?

          • Bob666

            Well Deer,
            I would have to say that you nailed Ol’Jay dead center. Be careful-he has a rather large list of people he does not like and you might find you’re self on that list.

          • Deerinwater

            Well, ~ building bridges has always been hard work! ~ but I enjoy hard work. Jay is a good man, a bright man and full of good intentions and some good ideas. ~ Just too much rich food interferes with digestion and we become overly concerned with ourselves. Moderation and Humility can’t be underrated as desired qualities of personal character.

            As far as “fear” I have none, I was raised that way. ~I didn’t have a choice in the matter and can’t do anything about it and wouldn’t if I could. ~ just respect will see you through without any need of fear. ~ Respect does not and should not be rooted in fear but “love” and compassion.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I’m saying that charity begins and ends with your own wallet. If you take it from somebody else’s wallet, no matter how noble your intentions, you are just a thief.

  • nobaloneyhere

    The issue is his popularity. It could drop to zero and he won’t care. He got reelected and that’s all he cared about. If you stayed home on election day, don’t complain. It’s your fault, too, for him being reelected. I voted Republican on Election Day. Don’t blame me for any of this.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      If you voted Republican, you are to blame.
      The framework for Big Government has been built by a tag team of Republicans and Democrats while their followers keep rooting blindly for their own team, thinking that one or the other really makes a difference.
      There won’t be a change until you start voting only for candidates that promise to shrink Government dramatically.
      lp.org

    • nc

      Nobaloneyhere, did you vote Republican in 00 and 04 for bush? If you did you are responsible for the election of President Obama! If bush had been half way competent and not responsible for his 25% approval rating after his 8 years there was no way a black man with a Muslim name could have defeated a white war hero! Obama didn’t beat John McCain! bush, with an economy on it’s knees and two bad wars, beat John McCain!

  • DonnaAngelStar

    Obama has never been a statesman much less a leader. He is and always will be nothing more than a community agitator.

    • JeffH

      You have very good vision Donna. Hear! Hear!

  • Jeff

    It’s one poll. Others say no change and his favorability rating still around 49-50%. Pretty remarkable given the onslaught of cr*p from Issa plus the real “scandals” involving NSA. I think most people realize the NSA stuff would be happening regardless who’s president. The real issue is we, as a nation, have to decide how much privacy vs how much “protection” we want. It’s the height of intellectual dishonesty to say we want pure privacy but then blame the president the first time something bad happens that might have been prevented by a more aggressive policy. I don’t pretend to know where the balance should be, but people need to know there are always trade-offs wherever it’s set.

    • red neck

      Oh and BTW….. The IRS issue means absolutely diddly squat to you as long as you can make excuses for obama…..

      • Jeff

        It means diddly squat because there’s no there there. There is no evidence of any direction from the White House or the Justice Department despite Issa’s constant blathering about what he “knows.” And how would you sort the cases? If a group is applying for tax exempt status that calls for a minimal level of political involvement, doesn’t a political name raise a red flag?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          “The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is the revenue service of the United States federal government. The agency is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury, and is under the immediate direction of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue”

          “The Department of the Treasury is an executive department and the treasury of the United States federal government. It was established by an Act of Congress in 1789 to manage government revenue. The Department is administered by the Secretary of the Treasury, who is a member of the Cabinet. Jack Lew is the current Secretary of the Treasury; he was sworn in on February 28, 2013″

          “All Cabinet members are nominated by the president and then presented to the Senate for confirmation or rejection by a simple majority. If they are approved, they are sworn in and then begin their duties. Aside from the Attorney General, and the Postmaster General when it was a Cabinet office, they all receive the title of Secretary. Members of the Cabinet serve at the pleasure of the President, which means that the President may dismiss them or reappoint them (to other posts) at will”

          In other words, the buck stops at Obama.

          • Jeff

            Really? The president is personally responsible for anything done by any government worker? How about when a mailman hits someone in his truck? You can, and will, scream all you want, but there is simply no connection between Obama and whatever happened at the IRS. And what happened at the IRS? People trying to do their jobs. Groups with obvious political affiliations are seeking tax exempt (and non-disclosure) status to which they are not entitled. For Pete’s sake, Karl Rove has a 501(c)(4). The most political person in the country is claiming to collect millions of dollars for non-political purposes. Even you have to find that a bit ironic.

          • CJM2

            In all businesses, the actions of an employee are the responsibility of whoever administers that business–whether it is public or private. Why do you think the great Harry S Truman had that little plaque: “The Buck Stops Here” on his desk?

          • Jeff

            Yes, ultimate responsibility. Responsibility to make and alter policy. Civil responsibility for wrongful acts of underlings. That’s a far cry from blaming him for everything a low level underling does.

          • CJM2

            He IS responsible because he knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. Plain and simple…oust this imposter.

          • Jeff

            And you know that how? From Glenn Beck? Darrell Issa? Or your cousin who still walks on his knuckles?

          • CJM2

            Hello troll—seems as though your ovomit lovers can’t come up with anything original; those canned blogs are tiresome. Just as tiresome are your nasty stabs at other people who disagree with you–obviously you are sorely lacking in intelligence.

          • Jeff

            So sorry to trespass in “your” territory. Anyone who offends your limited intelligence by disagreeing with you is a troll? Perhaps you could try answering a direct question, but that might involve thinking. You said Obama knew what was going on and did nothing. The evidence says otherwise. I asked you how you “know” what you think you know and you still haven’t responded. Like Issa, you just “know” Obama must be guilty and that’s all you need to know. Pathetic.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “The evidence says otherwise”.
            Oh? So now you can prove a negative? Are you a mind-reader now, Jeff?

            Even so, the fact remains that he is the Chief Executive. If he truly didn’t know (unlikely), he should have.
            Can anybody imagine the IRS workers going off on their own to do dastardly deeds without the complicity of Obama? How would that benefit them? On the other hand, if found out — well, you see.

          • Jeff

            I don’t need to prove a negative, Dave. If you are saying Obama had knowledge or directed the activities, the burden of proof is on you.

            The evidence (not what Issa has to say) thus far is that the categorization was directed by a supervisor at the IRS with no direction from any political appointee. And the supervisor happens to be a conservative Republican. This was a case of bureaucrats trying to do their jobs, those jobs made nearly impossible by the IRS’ overly liberal interpretation of 501(c)(4). The statute itself says to get the exemption a group cannot engage in politics, but the IRS interpretation says it can’t be primarily involved in politics. If an organization has “tea party” or “progressive” or “Obama” in its title, does that not raise a red flag that the organization is primarily political in nature?

            It’s not even really about the tax exemption but the non-reporting. If some polluting billionaires want to run ads against the EPA and against scientists who publish findings concerning climate change, that’s one thing, but don’t we have a right to know who’s financing the misleading ads?

            Do you really think Karl Rove is running an apolitical social welfare organization like the Girl Scouts? My guess is it’s highly unlikely.

        • macgyver1948

          Jeff… This
          is
          so typical and funny – sort of. What we have here is a typical
          Right failure to present evidence just accusations.
          What we have here is a typical Mitch McConnel kind of thing, he being
          a man who has spent a career pretending that slander is free speech
          and the Right followers just go along to get along regardless of who
          on the Right does the Mitch McConnel kind of thing. This hap[pens so
          often, doesn’t it? What ever happened to ‘innocent until proven
          guilty’ to the Right? Talk about liberty bashing. I guess when you
          hate Obama you do not need evidence, just do the “Mitch McConnel
          kind of thing”, LOL. :-).

          • WTS/JAY

            No mac, what we have here is an administration that is no different from the previous-administration(s). And it is by far worse! Not because obama is more evil than his previous-predecessor(s), but because obama’s administration may very well be the final-stage in bringing America to it’s knees. All the previous-administration were in fact, successive-stages, slow and steady implementations moving steadily towards the ultimate “goal”! You will note, that with each administration, whether it be D or R, things “progressively” worsened. That’s because both parties were co-opted by “radical-progressives”, who in their schemes, kept both “label”, while implementing disastrous-policies, so as to incite and infuriate the citizenry to the point where in unison they will demand; “Get rid of both parties and start over”! This, of course, will create a “vacuum”, the opportunity long-awaited by the progressive-vermin who will be more than happy to fill…Cheers!

          • macgyver1948

            WTS/JAY…
            Well, I have read this scenario a number of times and it is usually from the Right, almost as if “Tales from the Dark side”, :-). I just hope it is wrong and I will remain optimistic. I am not a fan of politics (politicians remind me of used car salesmen with more clout and better pay checks and bennies) or either party so much but I hope and decide based on issues. We should all hope this scenario is wrong. Lachiem!

            Lachiem

          • rbrooks

            i agree with your post. that must be a surprise for you.

            i am curious how you can be so certain whom will fill the ‘vacuum’.

    • WTS/JAY

      Black Panthers Condemn Obama – Larry Pinkney…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOVXhyx4gg

    • jjet

      Jeff, your statement is a very good one. And any fair minded person would agree with it. But this is certainly the most dangerous thing to happen to are American ideals and way of life. Now, that is just one of some huge problems I have with this adminisration. Bengazi is not just a big mistake. It’s huge. And the enemies of the world take notes. The border, Oh, so many things the media has helped to surpress, not report on, ect. His old friends “ayers” for one . And for me, I didn’t and would never vote for anyone that wants to be my president who didn’t salute the “FLAG” and say the pledge of allegence to her, for any stupid reason he had. BIG RED FLAG to me. I felt that way then, and with so many of his actions with Moslem affairs, I sadly, and worriedly feel that way now.

      • Jeff

        In the past 30 years, how many attacks have their been on our diplomatic facilities? Do you know? You could look it up. Why is this attack so much more serious (“huge”) than all the others? Does it have anything to do with who is president? I don’t recall the Democrats “blaming” W for ignoring reports and letting 911 happen on his watch. Can you even imagine the Repugs, to say nothing of these dead-end bloggers, if something like that happened under Obama?

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Because Obama bin Laden was the only one to take away security and tell troops to stand down as the place was assulted for 7 hours. Never was done under another president. Also, he was buying back weapons from Al Qeada operatives. Obama bin Laden and Hitlery didn’t want this becoming public, so Stevens life was forfeited for their political gain. Here is an article that describes how Hitlery is standing by her lies and not caring about how they died.
          http://www.politichicks.tv/column/hillary-clinton-from-stand-by-your-man-to-stand-by-your-lies/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “The name of the Lord (says the Scripture) is a strong tower; thither the righteous flee and are safe (Proverbs 18:10). Let us secure his favor and He will lead us through the journey of this life and at length receive us to a better.”
          Samuel Adams
          Founding father
          “Father of the American Revolution”
          Devout Christian

          • Jeff

            That article is about as objective and reality-based as are your moronic posts comparing Obama to a religious nut (sound familiar?) and Hillary to Hitler because her name begins with an H. Are you sure you graduated from elementary school?

          • Bob666

            Yo Jeff,
            He claims to have a masters degree in History. The history of what-I am not sure, but it does not appear to be American History. I use to try and engage him, but today, all I do is laugh at his post.

          • Jeff

            Lot of nuts have degrees from someplace. His buddy Reverend Phelps must have a degree, too. Faque’s could be from Liberty or Pat Robertson U. Judging by the “quality” of his writing and “thinking,” I’ll go out on a limb and say his degree is not from the Ivy League, UC Berkeley, or any reputable university. There they tend to focus on what happened and why and not wishful thinking and fish stories about all the founders being Jesus freaks like him. I still think he “found” Jesus after surviving some even more disabling addiction.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I would ask, Jeff, “what are your credentials?”, but I wouldn’t expect an honest answer from an anonymous Liberal Progressive, so I won’t.

          • Jeff

            I’ve observed the political process for more than 40 years. I graduated from a UC campus, took many history courses as well as political philosophy, and then went to law school. I practiced law for 20 years and am currently a legal consultant. Primarily, I am a citizen.

            So, when I see simplistic nonsense written about how we’d be better off with no government involvement in the economy, it strikes me as sophomoric to say the least. Although even as a sophomore I thought Ayn Rand was full of it.

        • hippybiker

          I remember when The Carter administration ordered the Marines to lay down the arms at our embassy in Tehran.

  • Rocketman

    With very few exceptions there is very little reason to vote republican and NONE WHATSOEVER to vote democrat. Check out the Libertarian Party at LP.org.

    • Frank Zappa

      YES in this country we have a party system of 1. NEITHER party is worth a tinkers damn. They are both the same. The Demoncats are by far the worst with the “Exception of a Few Repubicans.” The so called “Conservatives.”

      • KG

        Well, in that case, you vote for your crooks, and I’ll vote for my crooks. I agree. Even George Washington hated the idea of political parties. However, what Marx and Engle said in 1848 is becoming true:

        Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other – Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Are you a Commie, KG?

          • KG

            Are you a “jack booted” fascist?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re showing your ignorance again, KGB.
            I am a Libertarian. We believe in voluntary trade among people free of Government coercion and special privileges. We believe in strict property ownership (real as well as personal). Property Rights to be more concise. We believe that almost all functions of Government would be better served by Free Choices on Free Markets.
            If I’m a “jack booted fascist”, KGB, you are a psychotic deranged poor excuse of a human being.

    • Dean

      Gary Johnson remains the only honest man standing!

      • KG

        He’s also the ‘Biggest Looser’!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The vast majority of voters have been thoroughly brainwashed. Of course he lost. We will all lose as time goes on (with the exception of the Leaders of course).

        • Dean

          Gov. Johnson recently ran the most successful Libertarian campaign in it’s history, despite a total blackout of media coverage. Credit where credit is due.

    • KG

      Libertarians are closet fascists. They believe in freedom for themselves, but for no one else. That’s why I call them ‘little Mussolinis”

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        And you atheists and communists believe in no religious freedom or freedom of religion for everyone, except Christians.
        “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”
        Proverbs 1:7
        This must make you a fool, KG, you troll. Here is an article that briefly describes how the U.S. would be finished if they pass Obama bin Laden’s amnesty.
        http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/coulter-u-s-finished-if-amnesty-passes/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “I rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.”
        Samuel Adams
        Founding father
        “Father of the American Revolution”
        Devout Christian

        • KG

          Oh yea, that media whore Ann Coulter, that’s a reputable source.

          BTW, I am not an A-Thesist. That would imply that I know as much as G-d, and, therefore, I would be G-d, which is clearly false. I understand why many people are atheists: mostly because of people in their lives who claim to be believers, and, yet, their actions are so reprehensible that one would have to loose one’s dignity in acknowledging their beliefs. Sorta like when you call people who disagree with you ‘atheist’. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn’t make them ‘evil’. Unless, you consider yourself G-d. Which would make you a blasphemer.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KG says — “That would imply that I know as much as G-d, and, therefore, I would be G-d, which is clearly false”.
            It would imply no such thing. With that kind of logic, It is no wonder you would embrace a failed and morally bankrupt system like Communism.

          • rbrooks

            < failed and morally bankrupt system like Communism.<

            failed and morally bankrupt system like religion. democracy. or fill in the blank.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    The powers behind O don’t care that his popularity is plummeting, the polls just give them ideas where to direct their actions in corralling Americans.
    Any of you have farmyard animals that you need to pen up, so you start corralling them and in the process they become bigger nuisances because they outmaneuver you and they zag while you zig, so you try to outsmart them. Same process.

  • red neck

    Everybody needs to STOP making excuses for obama!!!!! PERIOD.
    When if ever is he going to take the responsibility of the office that he “holds”?
    All of the scandals going on and he has absolutely no freaking clue?
    How the hell can I or anyone else have one little inkling of respect for someone that does not have a clue?

  • ONTIME

    The jokes are flying off the shelf now that the emperor is appearing more naked and his exposure is stripping his ability to command respect. He now is looked at as a shallow, self aggrandizing liar and fool, this was proved when RazzPutin made him into a subject of ridicule at the G8 and then he acquired the wrath of the irish by making stupid inaccurate remarks about the use of protestant and catholic schools..the man is a lazy, overpaid fraud and it is way past time for him to be tossed into the street with no benefits forthcoming…..I believe he will start a war if he is not removed soon.

    • JeffH

      Don’t forget to mention the gigantic crowd, estimated to be around 4500, while Obama plagiarized JFK at the Brandenburg Gate.

      Hmmm, JFK ~ 450,000. Reagan infamous ““Mr, Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” speech ~ 45,000

      • ChuckS123

        I think 200,000 were there when Obama was there in 2008.

        • JeffH

          Guess the Germans are finally seeing through O too!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            The only problem is that it took them 5 years to do it. Here is an article about another libturd in Edduh’s area of Colorado. She is facing a recall election, due to her passing anti-gun laws. Since she is Hispanic, she is playing the race card (Classic 5th column strategy) in his recall election.
            http://www.redstate.com/dloesch/2013/06/11/colorado-senator-claims-democracy-is-racist/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.”
            John Quincy Adams
            6th President of the U.S.
            Devout Christian

  • WTS/JAY

    Democrats now critical of Rice’s Benghazi explanation, amid more damaging evidence

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/05/democrats-now-critical-rice-benghazi-explanation-amid-more-damaging-evidence/#ixzz2WtPCgr2p

    • Deerinwater

      This link is dated May 5th Jay. ~ I would think “Now” more recent since today is June 21st.

      Late in their 2 nd Term, ~ most President popularity wanes. ~ It’s sort of normal really. ~ There is a lot to be unhappy about. ~

      Did Obama ~ rescue the Low Interest Student loan program? ~ Or did the Bankers and the GOP win out and raise their Rates recently? ~ As I understand it, ~ they was hoping to recover those lost “profits” from fleecing students.

      An President will have mid term elections to contend with ~ hopes of gains. ~ His popularity is needed for that.

      Carlos Sanchez · Top Commenter says;

      “All this red meat is great for the choir but what does it result in? Unless we win the Sen., we’re not going to impeach him. ”

      In his final two two ~ it was be self-defeating for the GOP to try. They don’t have the time if they had the power and evidence. ~ But yea, ~ this is Red Meat to people that will eat “anything”

      Where it’s the summer heat ~ or a serious popularity slipping, who’s to say? Few people are “popular” with me at the moment. I’m not in a very good mood. ~

      Not sure what to think about the ” Free Phone Program” ~ Sounds like Federal money directed at the bottom end of society ~ in an attempt to jump start “Something”??? ~ I hope we didn’t spend a lot of money on it.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Actually, due to his ineptness, he has ruined that program and is a bubble waiting to burst. They should say you need a certain GPA to get a loan or to enter any university. This is another unconstitutional social program that needs to be cut. Here is an article where some idiot says some atheist monument is equal to the 10 Commandments. The idiot in question must have been drunk of kool aid.
        http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/06/atheist-monument-opposes-ten-commandments-with-no-alternative/
        Here is a video showing how a southern democrat became a republican.
        http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/06/senator-slams-democrats-welfare-as-he-dramatically-switches-parties/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
        “The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the Divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made ‘bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.'” (Isaiah 52:10)
        John Quincy Adams
        6th President of the U.S.
        Devout Christian

        • Deerinwater

          Quote; “This is another unconstitutional social program that needs to be cut.”

          In what way do you see it as Unconstitutional Samurai? On what grounds do you base your opinion?

          Could we not go even farther and say ~ any student below a certain grade point ~ not bother to go to school at all? ~ Think of all the MONEY that could be saved.

          • Bob666

            Yo Deer, while we are at it, Let’s put the GI bill on the table-how much could be saved there as well?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If I was king, the soldiers would be paid cash money for their services. If they wanted to invest it in private health insurance, future education, or whatever, they would be perfectly free to do so.

          • Bob666

            Yo Original Dave,

            There are many things that we would not agree on, but I suspect there are more than a couple of things we would and one of them is very small and limited government.

            I like the “If I was king” comment and I understand the context that you use it here.

            If I was king-I would take care of soldiers who were wounded in defending their country for life, but that would be it.

            Government would be about 25% the size it is now, flat income tax for everyone at the same rate-your IRS return would be one page and that little box to give money to elections would be the first to go. More power would be shifted to the states.

            Government would concentrate on clean air, drinking water, waste, courts (with less laws) and infrastructure. If government workers received a retirement-they would get it when they hit their mid sixties like everyone else.

            I have just scratched the surface-there would be more. But alas Original Dave, you and I are not kings.

          • Deerinwater

            Funny that you mentioned it Bob ~ I considered including the FHA and veterans benefits in my post but decided the posting was clean without it. ~ Too much at once leaves you with less material for rebuttal purposes.

            DaveH ~ I’m not sure who you are, ~ I had a DaveH that I loved to spare with here~ but he painted himself in a corner one too many times ~ and left the Forums with a chapped A$$. ~ The last bout was about the meaning of the term “redeployment” ~ does that ring a bell with you?

            ~ You don’t seem to write like him, ~ I do miss David ~ He was very bright ~ but no life experiences ~ a sheltered academic soul. ~ But I can see him saying; ~ “Government public schools are not for the benefit of the students. If that were true, then the money would be allocated to each parent and they would decide freely which schools would be best for their children.”

            Public School systems are designed to accommodate the lowest of achievers David. ~ To elevate the bottom. Without government demanding a “standard” ~ there would be no bottom ~ and even more citizens would be falling though the cracks then what we seen happening today.

            The old story ~ give a man a fish and he eats one day, ~ teach a man to fish and he will never go hungry ~ seems to apply here.

            No society needs an “over abundance” of well educated and extremely bright people David.

            Bright enough to cope ~ is a minimum standard.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “I had a DaveH that I loved to spare with here~ but he painted himself in a corner one too many times ~ and left the Forums with a chapped A$$. ~ The last bout was about the meaning of the term “redeployment” ~ does that ring a bell with you?”.
            I left because I had spring planting and a nasty probate case to deal with. It certainly wasn’t because any of the Liberal Progressive trolls bested me because they never have.
            No life experiences? Everybody has life experiences, and mine are most likely more than most as I traveled around the country working on short-term projects for much of my life. I realize that the Liberal Progressive shills have been trying their best to find my achille’s heel, the “no life experience” being one of their attempts, but they haven’t succeeded yet.
            Instead of joining them with manipulative ad hominem attacks, Deer, why don’t you spend your time more profitably by doing some reading on the concepts of Freedom? I have hope for you.

          • Deerinwater

            I will! David ! ~ I thought that I had ! ~ I’ve done without Freedom before ~` and trust me ~ it wern’t No Fun!

            ~ and glad you are back ~ I have really missed you. ~

          • Bob666

            Yo Deer,
            There are many post that you make that I agree with and one of the reasons for that I suspect is we both have run a business.

            There are few opportunities to see “real reality” in this world and IHO, running a business is one of the more real experiences that will provide you an education in reality.

            While I put my heart, soul and everything that I owned into my business, I did not do it all myself. There are book smarts (an I have some paper on the wall-expensive wall paper), but it hard work and commitment that get you there along with capable and dedicated people on your payroll.

            While State and local governments have been among our clients-we provided a service for the compensation we received. There have been few “government” programs that I can recall getting a benefit from. my personal efforts are what paid off.

            I have never begrudged anyone for their occupation or who they work for and I was raised to believe that any job that is honest-is honorable and that goes for government employees as well.

            While I do agree with you on teaching a man how to fish, I have to believe that you, like myself, have come across many a man and woman who will never be a fisherman-no matter how hard we try to teach them.

          • Deerinwater

            yea Bob, it’s taken everything I know to get by ~ my dollars are made the hard way and I hold a Masters Degree in Mistakes. ~ I’ve had to learn to be a harder man, the benefit of doubt has rarely been on my side.

            I had a 84 year old Granny shaft me for $90.00 dollar last week. ~ She beat me around the teeth ,hair and eyes with senility. ~ She was mad before I ever walked into her house and met her. ~ Wore that Evil frown on her face permanently. . ~ She Couldn’t hear well but wanted to stand over me in this small hallway space, denying me room to work and ask questions as I worked and look down at my Plumbers crack. ~ I couldn’t work and talk at the same time. ~ ~ It deteriorated from there. ~ her husband was a Saint with a touch of alzheimer’s, it was her job to protect the family jewels I suppose and was taking the job far too serious.

            I was left with having to consult the Lord with that one. Something I very rarely find necessary to do.

            I was talking to mother about her and come to find out ~ they are members of her church. ~ finding it too difficult to make it to church anymore , church members now stop in to visit and bring them things.~ mother had dropping in on them a few week prior. ~ It was a clean well kept home and lawn ~ worth 6 times what I live in.

            Let the Lord sort it out! ~ but I won’t forget that “Face ” , I seen the devil’s handy work.

            My mother has a harder time a getting around then them them two! ~~ Strange

            Just more ~ “Different Christian” to stay clear of.

          • Bob666

            Yo Deer,

            I have seen those “Different Christians” at work-I try to avoid them when ever possible.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Give a man a fish and feed him for a day.
            Teach that man to fish and he will sit around in a boat drinking beer all day.

          • Bob666

            Yo DaveH,
            that was good! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

          • JeffH

            Oh how I love it when someone is totally clueless.

            Deer claims to have run DaveH clean away from PLD.
            ” DaveH ~ I’m not sure who you are, ~ I had a DaveH that I loved to spare with here~ but he painted himself in a corner one too many times ~ and left the Forums with a chapped A$$. ~ The last bout was about the meaning of the term “redeployment” ~ does that ring a bell with you?”

            You couldn’t run DaveH’s washing machine let alone have the capacity to “paint him in a corner” and cause his departure.

            Deer, quit patting yourself on the back and taking credit for something that never happened.

            Oh, and yes it is the DaveH/TheOriginalDaveH.

          • Dave

            Deer,

            That is the original DaveH, all mises, all the time. The theory is fact even though none of those theories have EVER been put into successful practice in the industrial age.

            Conservatives are not to blame for a darn thing, its all the fault of Progressives and Liberals. Oh, and DaveH believes George W Bush was a progressive as president. That one cracks me up.
            Him and JeffH try to convince the rest of the world that mises is somehow fact and their lies about progressives and liberals are believeable. But they continue to embarrass themselves further.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Make no mistake, Deer, Government public schools are not for the benefit of the students. If that were true, then the money would be allocated to each parent and they would decide freely which schools would be best for their children. Public Schools are Government’s way of insuring that the children will be good little subjects unaware of the benefits of Free Markets and Freedom in general.
            http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

          • Deerinwater

            DaveH “Public Schools are Government’s way of insuring that the children will be good little subjects unaware of the benefits of Free Markets and Freedom in general.”

            Being “good” at just about anything is better then viewing one’s self as some sort of victim and attempt to justify ones failing David.

            We are all born naked and then we put on these cloths. We are free to choose what we wear. ~ Why blame ones parents or a school system for what one does 30 years later? Clearly public schools do not affect all students the same way.

            I have the same 26 letter selection to chose from to compose my posting ~ just like everyone else. That my posting is different from everyone else ~ is no surprise to anyone.

            As so far as “Freedom” ~goes. ~ the only true freedom anyone might ever know in their lifetime is on their death bed as we go from warm to cold and stiff. We hunter’s refer to it as the “Crack” the brief moment between light an darkness.

            It will be only then that we can claim “freedom” on this earth. According to many people. ~ we still are not free even in death.

            All of these other notions of freedom we carry about have been “bought”~ by someone , ~ maybe you and I did not buy them for ourselves~ but they were “earned” and “paid for” by someone. It might take a while but when we quit paying for freedom , you can expect less of it~ until all these notions fate away.

            There is no one way to pay for these illusions of freedom, there are many and they are paid everyday by someone.

            Our mothers pay for our freedom, without them , we would not have life. ~ They feed us, care for us and clean us after we have soiled ourselves. We pay for our freedom with tax dollars to educated not only mother’s but fathers and soldiers and workers that all help keep these “Illusions of Freedom” possible.

            That you seem to reject the notion that you are here “To Serve” suggest that perhaps this notion might “offend you”. I find that odd if you do. ~ It’s my personal belief that most people see it as an honor and commitment to serve others. It’s inherent to human nature to serve and protect with few exception through out the entire animal kingdom.

            It’s in “serving others” that we work to serve ourselves and hold sway with title and position afford to such “service”

            And, ~ while there are indeed “Markets”, few are “Free” as you seem to believe. Restraints and restrictions are most common in the market place for a host of reasons. ~ The very survival of markets depend on it. To believe that only consumers be allowed to control markets there would be no markets. For “demand” is one thing and “consumption” another animal entirely. To believe they are one and the same is a fallacy.

            Even Black Markets are regulated!

            I too have traveled about ~ working “small projected” in the area of “recovery and reclaim” for clients that require my special services. For Black Markets too have their own special approach to regulation that is much more “forthright” and targeted then anything government can come up with. ~ There is still a place in this world for a good Pirate. When those that craft deals, transactions and laws feel that they can break them, it is then you employ a Pirate or an attorney ~ while the very nature of Black Markets significant limit the use of attorneys.

            To engage these Markets and be an active player, I find myself confronted with a decision to make. Which Bad Guy do I want to “serve”?

            Wither they be Open Markets or Black Markets, this decision is one that has to be made. Who do you serve?

            That you might feel that the US Government has defaulted on an “agreement” ~ welcome to the crowd David.

            To go about openly accusing everyone that does not agree with you as “the problem” ~ is not way to hire a good Pirate. And if you have a sound case, then you would hire an Attorney.

            You are being wild and reckless ~ and whatever you might be engaged in is certain for failure, failure few wish to be a part of, even if they might be sympathetic with some of your views.

            Just like those South Carolina Yahoo’s that wanted to be the first to open up a big ole can of worms and fire on Sumter ~ you too will fail in the end. ~ What victories you may claim will be small and fleeting.

          • hungry4food

            Perverting the Constitution is creating a collapse of trust and this
            will destabilize the Union and that chaos will nationalize the civil
            breakdown of freedom in the various fundamentals of society , thus
            giving us that term fundamental transformation !!!!

            Shock:
            Immigration Bill Waives Felony Document & Social Security Number Fraud

            It starts at
            frame 4:45 ;

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LAN6688Rq8w

          • Deerinwater

            Well Sir, ~ It is true, ~ what “Ignited” the last American Civil war was the “Lack of Confidence” IN government among both “Elected Government Officials” and the voters that elected them in large enough numbers and then too a division of opinion along a clearly understood geographical boundary line. (The Mason-Dixon Line)

            It took all of the factors before secessionist walked off the Senate Floor and later launch a civil war with the Firing on Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861 by some hot headed South Carolinian Yahoos that believed God was on their side and talking and working the political angle was a waste of time.

            This event was a long time in the making and as you so well note ~ it was the erosion of confidence and lacking of “trust” among the governed that was largely responsible.

            The political climate reached a point to where claims and charges, rules of law and evidence no longer applied. ~ The Facts and Merits of contention was perceive as not being given a “Fair Hearing”.

            If you want your Civil War, it will be for you to recreate these conditions. ~ I think that would prove most difficult today with the petty charges being made and no clear line to mark a battle zone other then what is in some people minds.

            The last Civil war was not cheap ! ~

            The American Civil War, also known as the War between the States or simply the Civil War (see naming), was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 between the United States (the “Union” or the “North”) and several[3] Southern slave states that declared their secession and formed the Confederate States of America (the “Confederacy” or the “South”). The war had its origin in the fractious issue of slavery, especially the extension of slavery into the western territories.[4] Foreign powers did not intervene. After four years of bloody combat that left over 600,000 soldiers dead and destroyed much of the South’s infrastructure, the Confederacy collapsed, slavery was abolished, and the difficult Reconstruction process of restoring national unity and guaranteeing rights to the freed slaves began.

            It was Lincoln’s “Proclamation of Emancipation” where by freeing Black Slaves ~ he hoped to avoid foreign powers interference. And it worked!!!! ~ At that point in the war, things were looking grim for Federalist and the CSA was enjoying victories after victories. ~ but the North had yet begun to fight while the South spent every son, every nickel , every ouch of blood, every bail of cotton to fight what they seen as a JUST WAR while the North still lived “Large”.

            It is only now that we have a President that shares a very small piece of Black African blood lineage and you Yahoo’s are back at it again, attempting to start another civil war. ~

            He will be gone soon enough ~ cool your jets ~ and devote your efforts to finding a worthy contender for the First Chair position. ~

            Work your Mid Term elections choices. ~ Try to fill the Senate. ~ it’s to be a close race.

            Talking is much cheaper then Killing. ~ and if you do believe in God , you would be found in favor.

          • hungry4food

            Deer when you say ; ” petty charges ” Deer the Problem is when you allow these Petty Charges to go without Correction it Emboldens those who start out committing these usurpation’s to make BIGGER and BIGGER ones , and that leads to the Breakdown in Trust which then goes to your Civil War analogy , and what we have today is the Speed benefit of Communications that they did not have back then with the 1st amendment , so today as long as we Expose these frauds at the point of being criminal but not Involving many of the Government we will avert that War again !!!!

            The TRUTH my Friend cannot be suppressed it just finds it way out through those of us who cherish freedom not some ideology so save your explanations and stick to the exposure of all truths for the Sake of the Union and the Republic of the United States of America !!!!

            Heres some more Fraud and Corruption thats Breakdown the trust in keeping the Union together !!!!

            Can you Believe this ??????

            IRS Sent $46,378,040 in Refunds to 23,994
            ‘Unauthorized’ Aliens at 1 Atlanta Address

            See
            more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-sent-46378040-refunds-23994-unauthorized-aliens-1-atlanta-address#sthash.r9Esx053.dpuf

          • Deerinwater

            Right ! It’s true ~ we have a lots of problems to solve ~ and we need to get busy with it. ~

            Accept that democrats, and Obama are not going away anytime soon ~ so let us get busy solving what can be identified and solved. Dead horses won’t rise to their feet irregardless of how many times or how hard you kick them.

            It’s a waste of time and effort to address the unlikely.

            Why place good money on a losing horse? ~ Your like for him does not speed him up. You only waste your time and money.

          • hungry4food

            I understand the logic that Big Business has sucked the financial cash flow life out of the redistribution system of our economy with various policies over the years by both parties , WTO free Trade being the Most costly in its Free for all Out Sourcing without a balanced trade deficit EVER in the LAST 18 Years since its enactment , but To just Give up and now allow to further support a BIGGER Government Higher Taxation approach is NOT the Answer Deer it will only lead to further Supply Shortages and Breakdown in keeping Peace the center point while we debate How we Sustain existing supply and meet further demands on that supply !!!

            I see Nothing but a Trend towards Supply shrinkage with this Administration and its Cheer-leading section and that is where we need to focus and make changes to personnel getting a Broader more open Minded group of leaders in there instead of these Ideologues who are cornered now due to their attempts to Siege control of the production strings and are using the currency markets in a Regulation and Carry trade manner to further create a vacuum on cash in the system that is consolidating working capital out of the economies around the world and making all us smaller owner operators work harder for less . And to think Deer that if the Government gets more taxes from these Carry Traders that They are allowing this action to take place will kick that tax benefit down to you and me and all us little operators has already been seen on how well that works , I mean all this stimulus cash that went into the green start ups and every other Expansion in Government has Only went into the Pockets of the Bureaucrats not the Real Economy . Both Parties are at fault for doing this Its Greed , they all suffer from the 7 deadly Sins syndrome and Bigger Government will only exasperate this breakdown in our Government getting the Cart ahead of the Horse in how economics is suppose to feed society first and Government second .

            BIGGER GOVERNMENT HOPING THEY CAN BALANCE THIS INEQUALITY HAS PROVEN IS NOT THE ANSWER DEER !!!!!!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The thing is, hungry, that the Free Trade agreements have nothing to do with Free Trade. They are about special privileges and protections for certain Crony Capitalists. I’m sure you have noticed how regulations and laws so often have sweet-sounding names that are in no way related to what they actually dictate.
            http://mises.org/daily/1780/

          • hungry4food
          • hungry4food

            DEER you cannot just let this Foreign Policy screw up go without fully understanding the Biggest Mistake here , and then the Cover up for political reasons that will not fix the problem and make US and Allies better informed and secured !!!!
            Bengahzi needs to be fully understood by the Public so they can Make sure they try and elect officials that will Not allow ideology to conflict in Policy , like When you are dealing with extremists you need Leverage not policy that opens the door for GREED for Power to Overwhelm the Leverage of a Fair and balanced Policy that benefits ALL , Equality reaches many aspects of Life not just a Financial one , but this Link tells you what happened and from this we can debate ways to Draft further Policies that counter this Inequality , http://shoebat.com/2013/06/23/benghazi-just-got-closer-to-hillary-clinton/

            The Opposites here that DO NOT attract are Leverage and Appeasement , we need a Leveraged approach that gives everyone some self reliance .

            What has happened here was a Failure to tell the truth about a Mistaken Perception that the Islamic radicals had not Infiltrated the security detail that Obama was trying to appease with employing them to handle security , and the fact that as this mistake played out and the greed to take control of the operations of weapons gather in the region after taking down Qaddafi was the trigger for this breakdown in security and Murder of the ambassador and his security detail so the radicals could take control of the compound where the weapons were stashed that had been recovered is what this is all about and Obama covered this up so it would not effect the campaign slogan of ” We Gottem on the RUN ” !!!!

            When the Red Cross and all the other embassies LEFT Benghazi and other areas that should have been a Wake up call that security was compromised but the Bull Headed Campaign Slogan was continued and it led to a Complete breakdown and then a Cover up and this is something that cannot be allowed to be Forgotten because fraud and corruption just Flourishes in this kind of environment Polluting further the Executive Branch of Government with Lie on top of Lie to the POINT that Chaos like we talked about earlier breaks down EVERY other Function of a Democracy , like Having TO SPY ON EVERYONE TO KNOW WHAT AND HOW TO LIE NEXT TO STAY AHEAD OF THE COVER UP POLICY !!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Washington and Jefferson knew where foreign entanglements would lead (Bigger Government). As Jefferson said — “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground”.

            read this:
            http://mises.org/daily/5275/The-Conquest-of-the-US-by-Spain

            “The system the Founders bequeathed to us, Sumner held, was a delicate one, providing for the division and balance of powers and aimed at keeping government small and local. It was no accident that Washington, Jefferson, and the others who created the republic issued clear warnings against “foreign entanglements.” A policy of foreign adventurism would, in the nature of things, bend and twist and ultimately shatter our original system”

          • hungry4food

            TheOriginalDaveH , The chaos in the World is tied to a Flawed Tax Code !!!!

            What these Links show is a reason why we are screwed up and the various factions in world societies that are all in agreement that we are screwed up . No as for how we FIX the Screw up , Giving More to a BIGGER Government thinking it will Kick it back down to the Peons in society when its been the Governments that created this crisis in the first place is where CONSENSUS CAN BE FORMED to Change this MADNESS !!!!

            Check these videos and the link about being a
            Tax Exile out and consider is what is said a truth about the
            way Politicians DO Favor the Rich and Powerful like Russell Branch and Max
            Keiser says , and HOW THIS SHOWS that TAX CODES ARE NOT WORKING FOR THE
            GENERAL SOCIETY OF THE WORLD and is Leading to a World of Chaos as shorting the
            majority is creating the factions of terrorism we are fighting today around the
            world .

            WOW MUST SEE
            Obama destroyed & called a war criminal in Irish Parliament WOW MUST SEE

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnJCvKA-oEU

            Russell Brand: Politicians exist “solely to protect the
            interests of the rich & powerful”

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH_DJXoufNY

            Max Keiser on This Week: If banksters act like gangsters
            maybe they should get ‘whacked’

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izUC2xoAGXg

            Tax exile

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_exile

            Now all that’s getting done is Covering up the MESS that threatens to bring down the house of Power !!!!!

            Hey Obama I thought you were going to be ” The Most Transparent” what Happened Man ??????

            Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.

            Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html#storylink=cpy

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            This book pretty much explains it, hungry. It’s long (and interesting) but it will change your life:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf

          • hungry4food

            And further more I beg to differ with you on what and who is Really going out of their way to stir up resentment and my God Sir its ridiculous when we have so much important issues that SHOULD revolve around sustaining FREEDOM of that Constitution but when you read the analogy in this Link it will show you some things that speak volumes to a business that has Nothing to do with Sustaining the Constitutional value of Individualism .

            http://www.thenattyconservative.com/irs-targeting-tea-party-valerie-jarret-after-we-win-this-election-its-our-turn-payback-time/

          • Deerinwater

            Well? ~ I was hoping that I hadn’t ~ I would not have been very proud of myself if I had. I like David, he always brings something to the party.

            But his absence came within days of David serious compromised in debate . ~ he was checkmated. ~ while most obstinate in defeat ~ which only made matters worse for him , as we might well expect .

            Needless to say, the act of “Tapping out” only applies to wrestling. ~ There was no Tap out or “Calf rope” (as we say in Texas) a formal act of conceding on these debating forums.

            I can’t reach out and grab anyone by the short hairs and force a concession. . It’s only for the other posters to decide winners and losers and even so ~ the shear numbers of the “Moral Superior” have never been in my favor on Bob Livingston Forums. ~I am behind enemy lines a kicking your sand castle in. ~~ So what is the like of you Jeff going to do about it?

            And as far as your opinions JeffH, ~ there has never been a bridge extended to you. ~ You come across as little more the “Cheering Section” for lost causes and misaligned alliances. I’ve seen little need to address you.

            .That for 2 years you , David and some others have made a habit of run in Wolf Packs , double and triple teaming any opposing views has not deterred me from offering worthy opposition when I find it necessary to engage the discussion.

            I’m a working man, ~ the only thing making my time limited here, ~ If you would get out of that Cheer Leader skit and really say something that I took exception to beside cheap shots , snide remarks and personal attack ~ You’d receive more attention from me.

            As for David to refer to me as a Troll, it is honor that I will accept graciously as pure flattery .

            But like I have stated many times before ~ This ain’t the Love Boat, ~ I’m not here to make love to you but met you half way.

          • Deerinwater

            another misplaced posting ! Hmm?? This was a response to JeffH ~ sorry Hungry ~ my bad.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Hungry or drinking too much?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “But his absence came within days of David serious compromised in debate . ~ he was checkmated. ~ while most obstinate in defeat ~ which only made matters worse for him , as we might well expect”.

            Surely you jest, Deer. You Liberal Progressives always want to believe you’ve bested me, and since I comment abundantly, at any time I depart one of you could vainly claim you drove me off. Dream on, Deer.

            I typically don’t waste my time reading most of your comments, Deer, because I get tired of hunting for my “obtuse” translator to figure out what the heck you’re trying to say.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer,
            You have no idea what you’re talking about. The Union was asked several times to remove their soldiers from Fort Sumter, and the North knew that if they didn’t there would be war. Some of the cooler heads advised Lincoln to evacuate the Fort, but others wanted purposely to provoke a war. Obviously, Lincoln chose to listen to the latter.

            http://mises.org/daily/5580/Lincoln-and-Roosevelt-American-Caesars

            Imagine if I camped out in your back yard uninvited, and there were no police to help you. You’d get pretty pissed after a while of that, and very likely you’d eventually get physical with me. And you’d have every right to.

          • Deerinwater

            You are being just too easy David ~ I know exactly what I’m talking about. ~ Sumter was just an opening move. ~ and had Little to do with the cause of the Civil war or the lack of Confidence among those that favored succession and that was the thrust of my posting. ~ and here you come again , wanting to fly up my nose like a Nat with trivia that clearly you know something ~ but little about.

            “The road to secession had begun with the nation’s founding, at the Constitutional Convention of 1787, which attempted to square the libertarian ideals of the American Revolution with the fact that human beings were held in bondage. Over time, the Southern states would grow increasingly determined to protect their slave-based economies. The founding fathers agreed to accommodate slavery by granting slave states additional representation in Congress, based on a formula that counted three-fifths of their enslaved population. Optimists believed that slavery, a practice that was becoming increasingly costly, would disappear naturally, and with it electoral distortion. Instead, the invention of the cotton gin in 1793 spurred production of the crop and with it, slavery. There were nearly 900,000 enslaved Americans in 1800. By 1860, there were four million—and the number of slave states increased accordingly, fueling a sense of impending national crisis over the South’s “peculiar institution.”

            “On December 26, 1860, six days after South Carolina declared its secession, U.S. Army Major Robert Anderson abandoned the indefensible Fort Moultrie and secretly relocated companies E and H (127 men, 13 of them musicians) of the 1st U.S. Artillery to Fort Sumter on his own initiative, without orders from Washington. He thought that providing a stronger defense would delay an attack by South Carolina militia. The fort was not yet complete at the time and fewer than half of the cannons that should have been available were in place, due to military downsizing by President James Buchanan.
            ~

            Over the next few months repeated calls for evacuation of Fort Sumter from the government of South Carolina and then from Confederate Brigadier General P. G. T. Beauregard were ignored.

            Union attempts to resupply and reinforce the garrison were repulsed on January 9, 1861 when the first shots of the war, fired by cadets from The Citadel,

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sumter

            South Caroline secessionist wanted Sumter, a federal installation for their own without firing a shot. While
            Abraham Lincoln also wanted to move with caution. Fearing assassination, he had disguised himself for the train ride into Washington for his inauguration in March 1861. He hoped to prevent the still-loyal slave states from joining the Confederacy. When word of Anderson’s plight arrived, Lincoln decided to resupply the fort rather than surrender it. The responsibility for firing the first shot would rest on the South.

            Lincoln informed South Carolina authorities that he was dispatching a ship carrying food, not arms. The state officials decided that allowing the ship to pass would amount to cowardice and instructed General P.G.T. Beauregard to open artillery fire on April 12, 1861. Fort Sumter surrendered the next day. The Civil War had begun.

            A far as Carolina Hot Head’s goes ~ Their actions lost the civil war before it began. ~ History would be differ today ~ if it wasn’t for stupid self serving egos and poor planing by some hillbilly hay shakers with squirrel rifles that hated black people.

            “By 1861 Fort Sumter was in some disrepair and meagerly manned, but was one of two major federal installations in the South that had not been taken over by Confederate forces. The commander, Major Robert Anderson, had sent word to Washington that supplies were running low.

            The political leaders on both sides faced a dilemma.

            Jefferson Davis was not anxious to move against Fort Sumter or Fort Pickens (at Pensacola, Florida). He felt strongly that it was necessary to secure a foreign alliance before hostilities began. Further, more time was needed to lure other slave states into the Confederacy. This caution angered radical Southerners.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            A lot of wind, Deer, but largely propaganda. Slavery was not the issue initially in the launching of the Civil War (The War of Aggression Against the Confederacy).
            The real issue was Lincoln’s vain desire to “preserve the Union”. Several of the states which fought on the side of the North were slave states. Lincoln had a dim view of Black Americans and was a long-time advocate of removing blacks from the US such as promoted by the American Colonization Society:
            http://www.slavenorth.com/colonize.htm
            More on Lincoln and his civil war:
            http://mises.org/etexts/ostrowski.asp
            Once you do enough reading away from the Mainstream Propaganda Channels, Deer, you will realize that most of what Big Government does is for its own aggrandizement. Then Lincoln’s actions will become more clear.
            Those readers who would like to get more deeply into it, can read this also:
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

          • Deerinwater

            Well that is certainly one way for looking at it David.

            Let’s forget about that part of the Constitution about ,all men born equal with certain inalienably “rights” for a moment and tell us how the Constitution makes allowances for States secession. No doubt ~ you believe there to Language that allows for it and that those conditions were met?

            Sumpter was a Federal installation built solely from the purpose of defending a waterway port of National Interest. The state of South Carolina was originally the benefactor of this National protection and continued to be until it’s succession. ~

            Did the Federal Government ever acknowledge the legal existence of the Confederate States of America?

            I’ve went full screen and can’t answer that question at the moment. ~ Left to “Post” and get out of this screen. ~

          • Deerinwater

            F11 ~ I’ll know next time.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you see any words in the Constitution, Deer, that say the States are permanently bound by it? And would you be okay with your mother contracting to sell you as a slave to somebody else before you were even born, or any other such binding contract to which you were no party?
            When you someday wake up and realize, Deer, that Government is just the biggest Gang in the land, and that they will do whatever benefits themselves the most, then all those things will become much clearer to you. Things like “Why is it okay for them to kill people (without a trial or in self-defense) but it’s not okay for us?”, or “Why is it okay for them to help themselves to other peoples’ property but it’s not okay for us?”. The first sentence explains why.
            Finally, read this:
            http://mises.org/daily/3427

          • Deerinwater

            David say, “When
            you someday wake up and realize, Deer, that Government is just the biggest Gang
            in the land, and that they will do whatever benefits themselves the most, then
            all those things will become much clearer to you.”

            David ~ I had such matters figured out by 1971. ~ What I haven’t figured out is what to do about it ~ or if I should .

            David, ~ there is always going to be a “Greater Power” to deal with. This “power” can go by many names and rule dominion with many different methods.

            Every generation of American has been left to behold and witness a gradual transition in the shifting powers of government.

            Rule of Law is made by men that can break them. ~ This has always been so and not new.

            I admirer anyone that refuses to accept complacency and demand that our Law makers honor the laws they have made and hold them accountable. This seems to be the position that you champion, the cross that you have elected to carry and I wish you well is this regard.

            I had a fellow classmate in college that with every writing assignment took the opportunity to write about “Revolution”. ~ His passion for the topic was next to none. You remind me a lot of him.

            Myself, ~ “I’m a go along, get along” sort of personality. ~ I made a good soldier with clear objectives, bounties and responsibilities but a poor Peace Officer, I just seen too much “Gray”.

            The dynamics of governing by consent ~ is a delicate dance to preform. To accept the position of Leadership is to make enemies. ~

            Thank you David for sharing your views ~ and please don’t consider me the enemy but a Allie that would stand with you ~ if I could envision results worthy the efforts.

            At the present, ~ I see hope for change investing in label changes ~and new packaging with little substance and “business as usual” with this Tea Party movement. ~ A little more “God” offered in Government” is the pitch.

            These “powers” that will use you to install themselves ~ and then they will turn on you once in power ~ I fear. What’s to stop them?

          • Deerinwater

            David says , “Slavery was not the issue initially in the launching of the Civil War (The War of Aggression Against the Confederacy).”

            Right ! It was about Money and Cotton. ~ and this so called aggression on the part of the federal Government was interfering..

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you see anything at all in Article 1, Section 8, Deer, that gives the Federal Government the Power to regulate or provide for Education?

            http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/article1_en.html

          • Deerinwater

            No ! and I don’t see anything about government controlling the quality of food, water or attorney ethics or anything about government rights to interfere with women reproduction issues either.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So true, Deer. Thanks for pointing that out.

          • KG

            Article 1, Section 8, clause 18:

            To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “the foregoing Powers”? You haven’t answered my question at all, KG. If you think you did, that shows the reader your lack of reading comprehension. Of course, the other side of it would be that you know full well and are just trying to confuse ignorant people.

          • KG

            It starts at “We the People….”

            “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty >to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

            Need I say more?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can say all you want, KG, but anybody who does some studying will know that you are full of it. Special Privilege Seekers have been trying to make the “general welfare clause” say something it didn’t since the beginning of our country.

            James Madison, the Father of the US Constitution had this to say about the “general welfare” clause:
            “Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases. A power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury, or even to regulate the course of descents, or the forms of conveyances, must be very singularly expressed by the terms “to raise money for the general welfare.”
            “But what color can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon? If the different parts of the same instrument ought to be so expounded, as to give meaning to every part which will bear it, shall one part of the same sentence be excluded altogether from a share in the meaning; and shall the more doubtful and indefinite terms be retained in their full extent, and the clear and precise expressions be denied any signification whatsoever? For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars. But the idea of an enumeration of particulars which neither explain nor qualify the general meaning, and can have no other effect than to confound and mislead, is an absurdity, which, as we are reduced to the dilemma of charging either on the authors of the objection or on the authors of the Constitution, we must take the liberty of supposing, had not its origin with the latter”.
            http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa41.htm

            So, who do we believe, the man who was most influential in writing and promoting the Constitution, OR and admitted Commie?

          • KG

            That’s all nice and fair, and quoted from a time before it was approved, however who actually approved the constitution? Look at the 9th amendment. One challenge in writing the bill of rights was the impossibility of naming every freedom that can possibly exist. Just because certain rights are not specifically mentioned the Constitution cannot be used to claim the people do not have them. The SCOTUS has ruled on specific, so-called Unenumerated rights. It’s called ‘The penumbra’ or shadow of the document.

            I think public education is within that ‘shadow’.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KG, you’re equivocating.
            But maybe you’ll convince some brainwashed people who don’t investigate or think for themselves.

          • KG

            Your skill at amphibology has been noted as well.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Actually, I take great pains to be direct and precise with my words. So perhaps you could explain how you arrive at that? Or are you trying to impress people with words whose meaning you do not know?

          • KG

            Actually, I take great pains to be as offensive as possible. It seems to be working. When ever I get on my computer, I put on my nehru jacket, I put my pinky to the corner of my mouth and laugh hysterically. It seems as though my plan still needs more adjusting. What do you think, Mr Bigglesworth?

            Meow, meow!

            Brhahahahahaha!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Damn, finally some truth from a Socialist Progressive.

          • Bill Henry

            I think it is called “trolling”. I would have thought KG would have been so busy picketing and shooting scabs that he wouldn’t have time for forum trolling. I guess he has time to waste while he waits for his check.

          • Bill Henry

            I think that BS is within that ‘shadow’.

          • Deerinwater

            Hmm? Then what is “General Welfare” suppose to mean to you ?

            Obviously ~ it’s “General” and not specific.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer,
            It was taken at the time to mean that those Powers enumerated would be allocated generally to provide for the benefit (welfare) of all the states without prejudice, without special favors for any particular state.
            Didn’t you read the link I provided to Federalist #41 where Madison tries to quell the fears of those who worried that the clause might be abused?
            As it turns out of course the fearful ones were right, as it has since been greatly abused. And there’s a good chance that slimy Power-seekers, like Alexander Hamilton, purposely inserted the clause for later usurpation of the original intent of the Constitution.

          • fueler335

            It says “promote the general welfare” not “provide”. There is a huge difference.

          • Bill Henry

            If you believe that is the aim of the present administration keep on believing it. You apparently don’t list to what the man in the oval office has to say about the document. Need I say more?

          • Bill Henry

            That is “listen” not “list”.

          • KG

            What, exactly, did he say? Or, what did he do?

          • Deerinwater

            So you are willing abide by all Federal laws ~ but refuse to with the current Administration?

            Hmm? So you can pick and choose when you are willing to comply to the Federal Laws?

            Are you sure we can do that?

            Has this Administration sent boxcar loads of American citizens to concentration camps?

            I do know of one American National that got his “Ticket Punched” by the Federal Government without benefit of trial . ~ As I understand it ~ he was seen as a “National Threat” and found “Compromised” on Foreign soil while “consorting” with known and documented threats.

            I’d suspect that it’s happened more than one occasion but it’s not a standard practice or common occurrence.

            Rogue elements of government(s) engaged in “Cleaning Up” long before America was even discovered much less founded.

            Matters of Government ~ has been a nasty business since biblical times.

            There can and will never be a “Perfect Government” made up of imperfect men and women.

            This leaves us to “Aspire” for a more Perfect Union in much the same way as we might “Aspire” to be good Christians. ~ That we fall short such not deter our efforts but encourage us to try harder.

            I simple don’t see anymore a serious threat to America by the current Administration as the previous.

            W’s two unfunded wars with Tax breaks ~~ has damaged the nation in ways ~~ many still don’t understand with their “Short View”

            Yesterday a poster was wanting it to return to the way it once was and all of it’s “Greatness”

            Americas greatness was was won fighting wars and destroying whole countries not her own. ~ and then selling these same nations the tools and material to rebuild.

            America’s Greatness was once seen in her people while today these same people are seen as the problem.

            Has people changed or has America changed?

            We are still a nation of Immigrant’s.

          • Bill Henry

            I call it deliberate ignorance.

          • Bill Henry

            Why not have OBAMAED? Then we could have free education through the college level, why not the Masters level, and maybe include the Doctorate level while we’re at it. All at taxpayer expense of course.

          • Deerinwater

            Low interest lending for student loans is not exactly what I would consider “free” but yea ~ I suppose we could do that.

            Actually students can obtain “Grants” now if their grade point is high enough and willing to abide by the conditions of the Grant which can demand a “tenure” as well as high grade point.

            One of reasons Fannie mae was permitted to go unfettered for so long was because it was offering “low interest” housing loans to select “Elected Officials” .

            In my mind , I’d find a student more deserving of a cost break.

            There is a host of things that the Federal Government engages itself in under the premise of the betterment of the Nation while detailed language of the Constitution does not address it.

            Does the Constitution offer language that supposes States Rights of succession?

            Some people wish the believe that it does with the 10th Amendment

            “. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

            I say ~ it’s very “If’y” at best. ~ I think that the States are pulling on Superman’s cape with such vague language.

      • JRR

        We don’t need to impeach him; that might not result in removing him. (Bill Clinton)

        We need to charge him with crimes and remove him. Depending on what is found in the investigation (presidential seals on information being forfeited in such a situation), perhaps even remove him from the country.

        Not likely to happen in a country now so heavily infiltrated by socialists/communists/Marxists.

      • Bill Henry

        Depends on what you call a lot of money. Millions of phones at 40-50 bucks a piece, plus paying for the calls unless the companies are donating the time. I know they don’t on mine. Don’t forget the instruction to go strike your name from the phone company’s books if you want to get another one or two or three to pay off your bills or you Louis Vuitton purse. Any government program where money is involved will attract leeches and corruption. Look at the President’s office. I would call 100,000,000 bucks for a visit to Africa a bit outlandish, and the IRS and it luxury meetings in Vegas and for Star Trek parodies and all the other outlandish spending sprees that the administration’s departments have been exposed as doing, but I suppose as tax payers we should be blind to the waste of the money we work so hard for, after all we belong to the government. As far as evidence that depends also on what you call evidence. I suppose failure to come to the aid of American citizens on American property is not evidence. You can say that Hillary took the blame for it, although she might have been implicit in it, for which she should be prosecuted, as Harry Truman said “The buck stops here”, and if you don’t think Mr. Obama had a hand in the IRS, NSA, and Justice Department issues then you must be practicing deliberate ignorance and most liberal thinkers do.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Good article. Here is one about a libturd that thinks it is his right to step on the American flag. If I were there, I would have kicked his arse.
      http://www.dailycaller.com/2013/06/17/lil-wayne-steps-on-american-flag-video/
      Here is an article that was started by Wayne Allen Root saying Obama bin Laden did not graduate from Columbia. Take a look at the fake picture that surfaced.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-picture-mystery/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “My hopes of a future life are all founded upon the Gospel of Christ and I cannot cavil or quibble away (evade or object to) the whole tenor of His conduct by which He sometimes positively asserted and at others countenances (permits) His disciples in asserting that He was God.”
      John Quincy Adams
      6th President of the U.S.
      Devout Christian

  • Robbie

    Fact is everything is relative as they say. So the President’s popularity has dropped to 45% more or less. But then the popularity of the dopes who are holding up his agenda in the House is somewhere around 8 or 9%. Now let me see – which number is greater? 45 or 9?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The dopes are the majority of society who have sat idly by for the last hundred years while the Leaders have been taking more of their Freedom, and more of their wealth.
      And you’ll still be blaming either the Republicans or the Democrats as the country breathes its death rattle when in fact they’re both making fools of you.

      • Robbie

        I’d say you’re being a bit over dramatic. Melodramatic is perhaps the correct word. America is still the best place overall. Of course there are major problems but then America has to cope with such a huge variety of issues. In any case the economy has pretty much come back and we’ll be seeing industry return as it becomes less and less profitable to do such things in the orient. The wars have/are being wrapped up which will be a large savings money and people wise. Everyone will soon have proper health care which will save billions and billions overall. There’s no need for you to be so gloomy. I suggest you go out and have a good time today and tonight. Cheers.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Truthful and Real would be more fitting descriptions of my comment, Robbie.
          What I see in your comment, Robbie, is a bunch of pie-eyed conjecture, maybe innocently believed by you, maybe not.
          There may be no reason for you to be gloomy, Robbie, because you obviously are enjoying the benefits of special privilege and wealth redistribution via Big Government. But the real producers, who are being reduced to slaves, don’t feel that way.
          By the way, the economy has NOT come back. What you see are inflated numbers due to a doubling in the money supply in the last ten years. GDP is measured in dollars. More dollars, Higher GDP. It’s really quite a shell game that the PTBs have going. But rest assured, an increasing number of people are awakening to the scam. It’s just a matter of time before the majority catch on to your smooth-talking Propaganda.

          http://mises.org/daily/770

          http://mises.org/content/nofed/chart.aspx

          • Robbie

            Although I am Canadian I travel all over the U.S. and have friends and quite a few relatives who are American many of whom we visit frequently. It’s true that I don’t generally go to the slums but I can tell you that I hear nothing but positive reports from folks in various parts of the country and when I travel to cities – even places like Baltimore and Detroit and Philadelphia and Buffalo I see major urban resurgence. I see restaurants and coffee shops and malls packed with people everywhere I go. The Iraq war is over and Afghanistan winding down and Obama smartly kept us out of Lybia and is holding back for the most part in Syria. Tens of millions who had little or no health care coverage now do or soon will. The stock market is very strong. For me these are all positive things. And the people seem to feel the same way. The president is at 45-48% popularity which, apparently, is common for this stage of a presidency but the House of Representatives is at 9%. 9%! Let’s hope the mid term elections sort that out.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You say, Robbie, that “Obama smartly kept us out of Lybia”.
            If you’re Canadian, what do you mean by us?
            And how can you say he kept us out of Libya when members of his own party thought he should be impeached for his Unconstitutional excursions into Libya? See here:
            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/03/22/dennis-kucinichs-campaign-to-impeach-obama-over-libya-war.html
            Holding back in Syria? Are you joking? See here:
            http://personalliberty.com/2013/06/21/russia-in-syria-u-s-is-making-same-mistake-it-did-in-1980s-afghanistan/

            The stock market is seemingly “strong” only to those who don’t have a clue about the effects of money creation by the Federal Reserve. The first people to benefit from profligate money creation by the Fed (after Government of course) are the Crony Capitalists on Wall Street. So yes, stock prices go up, but is that really a sign of a good economy? I take it that you didn’t even read the articles I linked to, or you would not have so quickly come back with basically a repeat of the conjecture in your first comment.

            The number of non-farm employees is currently 135,637,000 down 2.4 million employees from 38,056,000 in January of 2008. I personally have two young neighbors who can’t find a job.

            And we are just getting started with the healthcare debacle. There is no way it will work. There are now more middlemen meddling, more typical Government waste, more people will leave the medical field, and Nationalized Healthcare causes moral hazard which will result in higher usage and higher costs. Of course, you Liberal Progressives will still be extolling its virtues even while it collapses around us. I’ve never known a Liberal Progressive to throw in the towel and admit their schemes don’t work. I guess because it takes super-glued blinders to ignore the reality in the first place.

            You, Robbie, have been severely brainwashed.

          • Robbie

            The main problem with the Affordable Health Care Act is that it does not go far enough. You are totally correct about all the middlemen involved. Plain stupid. I read that 30% of health care dollars actually go to private insurance companies. We do not allow that in Canada. Health care here is not for profit. All money spent gos directly to care and it is the most popular thing we do up here. No one ever goes bankrupt or forgoes care when they need a doctor or hospital. Mitt Romney’s plan in his home state had the right idea. I think there it is pretty close to our way. We love it and so do the Americans living in Mass. But Israel has the best universal health care system in the world and they even provide dental coverage for children. Here in Canada we can only dream about that.

          • vicki

            That must by why so many Canadians go to Israel for medical care. Oh wait….

            http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/report-thousands-fled-canada-for-health-care-in-2011/

          • Robbie

            And thousands of Americans come to Canada for certain specialized treatments as well as because of geographical reasons – even Sarah Palin’s family used to seek medical care across the Alaska border in our Yukon Territory.

          • Bill Henry

            Document that please?

          • cmjay

            ROBBIE, my CANADIAN friend had a HEART ATTACK while waiting for HEART SURGERY for over six months and another one have to wait for over a month for MRI before he can have an emergent BRAIN surgery. He finally came to the U.S to save his life.

          • Robbie

            Before the Affordable Health Care Act how well did the 40 million Americans with no coverage do? 40 MILLION with zero coverage except for waiting until they had to go to the overly expensive ER which tax payer paid for anyway.

          • JRR

            We’ll see what the main problem with O’Care is, when overweight Americans have to pay almost $5,000 a year for each member of the family who is overweight. We’ll see how it works out when their older family members are allowed to die because treatment has been denied on the basis of age.

            We’ll see how it works for them when the payments to O’Care take the money they needed to pay their mortgages, and they find themselves homeless … which might cause them to lose weight and thus drop their taxes for the next year. Oh, wait! They wouldn’t have had any money to pay taxes, anyway!

            I think we are going to hear the shrieks of the foolish around the world – and how well they will deserve what they get!

          • Robbie

            Yes, let’s wait and see. Don’t forget the words you have written here!

          • cmjay

            ROBBIE , have you been to DEARBORN, MICHIGAN, walked the streets of CHICAGO and NEW YORK at night and visited the MEXICAN border? If you are White, be careful , you could become a victim of KNOCKOUT GAME. If you don’t know what it is , I suggest you look it up and FAST.

          • JRR

            Are you hanging out with Obama-worshiping Americans, who don’t want to admit that anything is wrong while he is allegedly running the country?

            You certainly couldn’t have been on the Magnificent Mile in Chicago when hundreds of blacks attacked and beat (nearly to death, in some cases) innocent shoppers.

            Black-on-white crime has EXPLODED in this country, but has been covered up by the MSM. Apparently many blacks think they have carte blanche to do anything they like, now that they have a “black” president … and so far, they have been correct in most cases.

            In addition, we are beginning to see more problems from the tens of millions of Muslims here, too, just as every country that is foolish enough to import huge numbers of Muslims always eventually does. And the media covers for them, too. (Obama told us in one of his books that he favors Muslims over the rest of us.)

            By the way, as my family drove through Russian satellite countries decades ago, none of those people ever told us of any problems. It didn’t mean that everything was peachy there. Our information that things were really bad was confirmed when we left Bulgaria, forced to drive our car through a long, deep ditch full of water, machine guns in towers trained on us the whole time.

          • Deerinwater

            This is really funny ~” RR Robbie • a day ago−

            “Are you hanging out with Obama-worshiping Americans, who don’t want to admit that anything is wrong while he is allegedly running the country?”

            Hanging out? how does that work exactly? ~ What constitutes “hanging out?

            Obama worshiping? ~ Accepting a Elected Statesman is seen as worshiping? ~ You seem to be suggesting other’s have “options” that you don’t have. It’s a “Warts and All” situation ~ I cannot separate the “Mule from the Smell” anymore than you can.

            Why is this need of “admission of wrong” that important to you?

            Are you soliciting a “Lynch Mob” to do your bidding or you a proponent of every citizens Bill of Rights?

          • Bill Henry

            You can bet on that one.

          • Bill Henry

            To quote Magnificent Merle: “We’ll all be drinkin’ that free bubble up and eatin’ that rainbow stew.”

        • Deerinwater

          I see what Robbie sees in my area as well, and fell much like Robbie in many ways. ~ That I can’t tell that it has improved in my world personally. ~ I still see it new growth and activity ~ I just don’t feel it. ~ I’m finding myself “Outside” the loop! and not in the heart of current commerce.

          The DFW area ~ has been flooded with new arrivals for many years now ~ any opportunities made available go fast!

          It’s not obvious to me that Robbie is enjoying the benefits of ~ “spread the wealth” as you claim David. He’s just being optimistic.

          The phrase “Spread the Wealth” has became right wing Fodder , much like “Tax and Spend” ~ when we start discussing the economy and policy.

          If wealth cannot maintain the ability to be transferred ~ it ceases to be “wealth” . ~ If you can’t spend it, threaten to spend or transfer or “Spread” wealth or eat it, drive it or ride it. ~ It’s worthless.

          W’s administration seemed to think that with the Fed holding a small surplus “Tax and Not Spend” was unsound policy. ~So, with good intentions I’m sure ~ we went though a period of “Not Tax and Spend”

          That didn’t work so well either other than get him reelected.

          Both these Right Wing ~ phrases really don’t have much thought put behind them. ~ ~ There are more “feel good” rallying cries to incite and instill resentment among people that like use them. ~ They are coded ~ They know what they are opposing ~ but if bt chance it happen that Wealth Transfer of any kind stopped and failed to come their way ~ they would be the first ones scream bloody murder.

          With the Except for my military years and the years with the County SO. and the 500# Bomb line in 66. ~ That’s 7 years of government money from a 43 years career. ~ In 56 years ~there’s been little “wealth” spread my way.

          and my GI pay was .14 cent per. hour 24/7 with perks ~ all Medical and Transportation . ~ The deputy job payed much more ~ at $1550.00 per. month. with medical insurance. ~ The Bomb line was great money ~ $2.37 hour and all the hours you could work. Time and a half for over time ~ it was a Union job.

          How much of that Government money would you like me to return ~ so I don’t have to feel like I owe you anything?

          If I was to look at the phrase “Spread the Wealth” as you do ~ I could look back in time ~ and see were it been spread. ~ A blind man could see the inequity middle class Americans are being attacked with today. We are being pinched by both the top and bottom and have been for many years now. ~

          “Income inequality in the United States
          From Wikipedia,
          Income in the United States

          Distribution of income in the United States has been the subject of study by scholars and institutions. Data from a number of sources[1] indicate that income inequality has grown significantly since the early 1970s, after several decades of stability. While inequality has risen among most developed countries, and especially English-speaking ones, it is highest in the United States.

          Studies indicate the source of the widening gap (sometimes called the Great Divergence) has not been gender inequality, which has declined in the US over the last several decades, nor inequality between black and white Americans, which has stagnated during that time, nor has the gap between the poor and middle class been the major cause—though it has grown. Most of the growth has been between the middle class and top earners, with the disparity becoming more extreme the further one goes up in the income distribution.[15]

          Upward redistribution of income is responsible for about 43% of the projected Social Security shortfall over the next 75 years. The Brookings Institution said in 2013 that income inequality was increasing and becoming permanent, reducing social mobility in the US.

          It was with backdrop strongly in mind that Obama made a comment ~ that the wealth of the nation needed to be more evenly distributed among it citizens. ~ That this trend of increased disparity left addressees could but be sustained indefinitely without creating major problems.

          Now David , if you believe that this disparity was created by people just being lazy and refusing to work or actively went about seeking “Under Employment” beneath their abilities, then I can understand your lack of concern with this new American Earning disparity that started in 1970.

          But I will have to disagree with you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “t’s not obvious to me that Robbie is enjoying the benefits of ~ “spread the wealth” as you claim David”.
            Nor is it obvious that he isn’t. But usually when somebody advocates for a system, especially one of giving away other peoples’ money, they or those close to them are benefiting from it somehow.

          • Robbie

            Excellent comments Deer. And the really crazy thing is that as the super rich gain control over ever greater percentages of the national wealth and as the other 98% of the population enjoys less and less it is the super rich who oppose raising the minimum wage by even .25 PER HOUR! In fact the likes of some far right GOP types is that the minimum wage should be discarded altogether and let that wonderful free market crap see wages drop to Chinese levels. Total greed and avarice is the real problem.

          • cmjay

            It is the RICH who create jobs and pay over 50% of total revenue so most people can sit on their DERRIERE and wait for WELFARE checks to arrive. Half of AMERICA don’t pay INCOME TAX. CANADIANS don’t pay 60% in INCOME TAX. Even the DEAD are taxed, Increase MINIMUM WAGE and LAY OFF half of the employees . The DEMOC RATS so love the POOR they made more of them.

          • Robbie

            Right. Let’s allow the mega rich 2% to own the full 100% of all wealth in America. Then eliminate the minimum wage totally so that business owners can copy Communist China labour rates in America. Sounds like a great plan – eliminate those who buy the products the profit of which goes to the rich. How dumb is that?

        • cmjay

          We saved BILLIONS of dollars – is this why our NATIONAL DEBT is over 17 TRILLION and counting? Try putting those numbers in the calculator – NOT enough room unless you have a different one in CANADA.

        • JRR

          How would you know whether America is the best place, unless you live in many countries to test them out?

          Most Americans are not well informed about anywhere else; they are just told constantly that America is the best (and once upon a time, that was true) … so stay here and keep paying taxes.

          It is true that most places are even worse than America. But, for instance, Chile is so anti-communist (despite some of its very vocal and idiotic students) that it has billboards along its roads which read (in Spanish) “Never again!” (meaning communism). Its economy is growing at about 8.5% per year ; its corruption is almost nonexistent; its world class medical care costs about 1/10th to 1/3rd what ours costs (and thus, there is no massive insurance industry to spiral those costs up). For residents older than their early sixties, medical care is free (as opposed to being denied them, as medical care here will soon be under Obamacare).

          No roaming bands of hundreds of blacks attacking shoppers, and not even reported on the media (as happened on the Magnificent Mile in Chicago about a month ago). No assumption of guilt just because a person is white (Zimmerman). No criminals walking up to total strangers and killing their baby in its stroller because it “looked white” (Georgia, March 2013). No bringing/allowing into their country millions of foreigners and then making the Chileans support them while they kill Chileans (9,500 Americans killed by illegal aliens every year). No bringing in herd breeders to outbreed and then vote to change the laws of Chile, and to divest the Chileans of all of their assets (Muslims well on their way with that ancient and well-tried strategy here). No playing with newborn babies for fifeen minutes, and then coldly murdering them. (Gosnell clinic)

          In their desperation to divest ever-more money from their citizens, American politicians have written laws that make America the only country in the world that collects taxes from its citizens living in other countries, with incomes coming from other countries … and this remains true until TEN YEARS after an American gives up his US citizenship – making America the only country in the world to tax foreigners living in a foreign country, with incomes made in foreign countries.

          I love what America was intended to be, and once was, but otherwise decent Americans have sat on their derrieres and watched sports and other entertainment, which has allowed the Evil Elite to lie, cheat and even kill to get their stranglehold on this country.

          Optimism is only going to make people feel good temporarily (as the sports and entertainment shows do). It will not get the necessary and very difficult job done.

          • Bill Henry

            Well said brother. Non sibi sed patriae.

        • Bill Henry

          Your are as FOS as a Christmas turkey. I don’t know what America you are living in, if you indeed live in America, or what information you use to give you the ideas you have about it. The America your comments suggest is not the one the majority sees.

          • Robbie

            Oh really? And yet the majority keeps electing President Obama and rejecting the GOP clowns. Perhaps you have been out of the country for the last few years.

  • Deerinwater

    True David, but for the life of me , I can’t conceive a “Powerless Government” as being an effective government. Can you offer us an example of one?

    • Deerinwater

      oops! wrong place ! sorry

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Government should only be involved in stopping people from Forcing their way on other people. That would cut them back to only a fraction of the size they are now.
      Actually there have been examples, Deer, of the dreaded “anarchy” throughout history, but they usually don’t last long because the psychopaths are always scheming as to how best to subjugate their fellow human beings. Here is an example:
      http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard81.html

      Ideally, you should read the entire book. Long but it will change your life:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf

      • vicki

        And make them more efficient at doing the ONE job they have. Protecting the people from force.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Well said, Ed Rankin from Facebook.

    • Bob666

      I would agree with DaveH on that as well.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Bob Livingston,
    Could you put a “load all comments” feature in the web page?

  • The Patriot7777

    well people, I have to say that preppers have been warning American people of this time for years, that the day would come that we as a nation would have to stand and fight once again to save our country!!!! The biggest problem we face as a nation from my point of view are these simple facts that you can look up any where…. There are about 315 million people in the us today. Only 147 million people work and are paying for the other 168 million people… Which include ss ppl, disable ppl, grants the gov gives for ppl to go to school, the poor and the very poor…. Plus not to mention the young women 15-17 years old who have children before they finish high school and they get some kind of support for food stamps and housing or cash assin just to live…. Those are the kinds of people who support Obama or any president for that matter because the government is giving them their lives and means to support themselves…. that’s why the polls are the way they are…. Most people are trading their freedom and liberties for that kind of life….. But we as a nation cannot let this happen or all of our freedoms will be taken away and we will no longer be able to have that old American dream we once all wanted….

    • Sam

      Basically what you said, these people are bought by obamy with phones and all the freebees they get for being good little slaves.

    • The ARM

      Please don’t put people that have paid into SS all their lives and therefore deserve to receive their payment. It is not their fault that the politicians just looked at it as more money to spend. You go into an SS office and you will usually see more young people looking for handouts than old people. And what can you expect with what they are being taught in school. We need major changes and therefore we need to back Tea Party candidates.

      • Vis Fac

        This is what happens when public schools are turned into liberal propaganda indoctrination camps instead of doing what they were chartered to do and which is TEACH. The no child left behind program was intended to “dumb down” the nation not to provide a quality education. If you want t know the caliber of education today you needn’t look further than an employment application. An illiterate population is easily controlled and manipulated to do exactly as told. Sheep are a prime example and we have a nation of sheeple doing what they are told and believing what government says.

  • cmjay

    These are called Obama’s FREE PHONES – paid for by you and me. The purpose is so people have a phone for Emergency and use it to find a JOB. Well, buying HEROIN and DESIGNER HANDBAGS don’t fit that CATEGORY and they are MOCKINGLY and SHAMELESSLY saying that in front of everyone. The Obama people blatantly tell the recipients they DON’T really care what they do with it. AMERICA, we can all RELAX now and thank Obama because these PARASITES have found “JOBS ” [ selling dope ], the NSA will keep track of them for us and the IRS can collect more revenue.

    • Sam

      Maybe the phones should be made to only allow certain numbers to be dialed out: say the police, fire and obamy’s office…..

  • Paulie

    Low information voters are slow to learn.

    • Bill Henry

      Well high information voters should get off their asses next year and fix the problems if they really care that is. Of course they might be afraid that they will be call Patriots. Non sibi sed patriae.

  • popham

    As attentive American citizens we know that Obama’s ‘approval’ ratings
    are bound to drop. But we also know that as long as the 47% are receiving
    their various welfare handouts, that even a wasteful $100 million trip
    to Africa is O.K. Of course it’s not O.K……it’s inexcusable and appalling.

    • Vis Fac

      It’s not 47% anymore more like 52% (or thereabout) that’s the ratio of votes for ODUMBO in the last election. Soon to be eclipsed by more illegals’ surging though our porous oops secure borders!

  • perry

    Who takes these pools and who are the people that they ask.Because where I live the pools are way off more people dislike Obama than the pools show. Are the fixed? By Obama and his goons and big money.

    • Diane Ringen

      In the area we live almost no one said they voted for him, but election results showed it to be much closer, although my state went for Romney.

  • trueright

    obamarama is a total [expletive deleted]. he gives away these “programs”, that cost millions, but he does not give a damn, because the sappy taxpayers will just pay for these nonsensical endeavors.

  • Nancy

    How many people ever knew that they could opt out of Social Security when they first went to work? I never heard that until I was ready to retire and the greedy sobs had stolen all the money out of it long before I was eliginle to retire. I will say this, my Social Security check is bigger than my Federal Pension check by almost four hundred dollars a month. If you ever served in the Militray you paid into Social Security starting in the mid to late fifties. If you retired from the Military, and went to work for the Government in another Federal job when you retire(d) they cut your Social Security by 40%. In the mean time while they were screwing us out of our Social Securtiy they sit up there and keep right on giving themselves a pay raise while the rest of us get a one or two per cent COLA, their raise in in the hundreds if not thousands of dollars each year. In order not to get a raise they have to vote, NOT to give themselves a raise. The minimum salary the last I heard is like $174,000.00 a year. Then the Speaker of the House and the Chairman of the Senate are both paid over $200.000.00 a year. Talk about getting ripped off, we are really getting ripped. They don’t give a damn what we want or need, as long as they get paid. They don’t even care if we get out pensions or our Social Security. How many of the 545 members of both houses do you think really give a damn about what happens to us? They are way over paid for no more good than they do for WE THE PEOPLE, their employers. I personnally feel it is time to start impeachment proceedings on every last one of them and I don’t care which party they belong too.

  • Diane Ringen

    Rodney Johnson, I believe you speak the truth.

  • Diane Ringen

    David Stovall, if it gets much worse, the 45 percent may turn away from him, but perhaps at a big cost to all of us. How much worse it may get I don’t want to contemplate.

  • http://batman-news.com Jim B

    This is preposterous, he’s black, good looking, with a good looking family, what more can you ask for, what more have we asked for!

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